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andrew davies

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Couldn’t say it better myself
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/03/opinion/trump-voters.html
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October 5, 2019 8:01am
- Inandout
  
  NYTimes..yes well each to their own I suppose.
  
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  October 5, 2019 8:39am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Much like Fox “newspeak” I would say
    
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    October 5, 2019 9:20am
    - Vory v zakone
      
      [Mod – Deleted. Commenters are welcome to use pseudonyms without being outed]
      
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      October 5, 2019 9:37am
    - softail 1450
      
      septicboy ,It would be better for you to not make any comments where any furry animals are mentioned ,
      even fox’s…
      
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      October 5, 2019 11:00am
  - Evadne
    
    Have you read that particular article? It’s actually quite good, and shows rare insight and sympathy.
    
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    October 5, 2019 9:30am
    - slightlyrighty
      
      That’s what I read into that as well. It’s a rare and fair insight into the mind of a Trump Supporter and how they can rightly justify supporting him. He does articulate a voice that is often not even heard, let alone listened to.
      
      I agree in a large part with the theme of the article. I too, think that Trump is a jerk, but at the same time, I see the Democrats as too far left.
      
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      October 5, 2019 10:01am
    - Billy Collins
      
      The one thing the dialogue in that article gets wrong, that derails the whole thing, is this: “Trump clearly used public power to ask a foreign leader to dig up dirt on his political opponent.”
      
      That is said, and agreed, so non-chalantly as if it was just obvious (which it isn’t) and uses it to make the Trump supporter in to someone who has no principles.
      
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      October 5, 2019 8:42pm
- The King
  
  The daily orange man bad.
  
  He keeps you up at night huh?
  
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  October 5, 2019 9:16am
  - andrew davies
    
    A suggestion, read it first then comment. What makes the article interesting is precisely because it is the New York Times and it generally puts Orange Man in a good light.
    BTW I am mostly a big fan of Trump and this article explains why.
    
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    October 5, 2019 9:52am
- Stephen Russell
  
  The article is an imaginary conversation between a Trump supporter and a Trump opponent.
  
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  October 5, 2019 10:16am
KevO'Brien

Pat Boone (how old is that guy?) on improper conduct in high places:-
https://www.wnd.com/2019/10/guilt-by-accusation-is-this-still-america/
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October 5, 2019 8:03am
- Steve Todd
  
  “[…] (how old is that guy?) […]”
  
  He’s a mere five years older than you, Kev. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Boone.
  
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  October 5, 2019 8:43am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  He’s 85…writes well.
  
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  October 5, 2019 8:47am
- John Warren
  
  85, according to Google. Good on him, still champing at the bit.
  
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  October 5, 2019 8:52am
- lifesgood
  
  Well done that man, Pat.
  
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  October 5, 2019 11:02am
Lee C

According to the Herald (behind thepaywall) It appears that there was a deep schism in NZ Fist –

Complaints and controversy about how Winston Peters ran his election campaign,

how he litigated against National politicians prior to negotiations and

how he undertook the negotiations that culminated in anointing Ardern as Prime Minister.

You’d have to have a heart of stone not to piss yourself laughing at them for being so gullible as to put their faith in Peters, wouldn’t you?

(see: ‘The Frog and The Scorpion’)
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October 5, 2019 8:16am
- peterwn
  
  I thought that it was only Whaleoil readers who drank Cam’s Kool-aid and thought Winston would never go into coalition with the Labour/ Greens.
  
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  October 5, 2019 8:24am
  - RoboRob
    
    Yeah it always surprised me that someone with Cams experience would overlook everything he knew about Winston because he disliked Bill English.
    
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    October 5, 2019 10:11am
  - Max Sky
    
    I can assure you not all of the readers and writers at that site drank that Kool-aid and necessarily agree with the writers. Individual thought and reason did reign.
    
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    October 5, 2019 10:53am
    - peterwn
      
      I was in that category but I can no longer comment there – I got banned for comments I made on Kiwiblog.
      
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      October 5, 2019 5:55pm
- Yvette
  
  Stuff has a poll on “Who NZ First voters wanted in Government before and after the Government was actually formed” with a flip from “perhaps” National 51%, Labour “about” 27%, to Labour 48% and National 33%.
  
  Those polled before knowledge of Winston’s decision may be more likely to be true – why lie? – than those after his announcement – why be seen to be wrong?
  
  Which kind of renders the survey as valueless – two results, and reversed results at that, in the one survey is always a little worrying – but obviously if the first result is accurate, it points to the Coalition being anti-democratic in the sense that the majority has not ruled.
  
  A so-called “democratic” voting system that allows one vote per person, but then sees a large number give one person about 180,000 votes to do with as he wishes, after he knows the results of all other voting, is fucking ridiculous.
  
  And any suggestion that the final New Zealand First vote is “the whole NZF Caucus” is not proven in any way, by any supportive evidence
  
  Perhaps we would even find a judicial review unfounded, as Winston is entitled to make his decision in private?
  
  Reference: https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/116301095/nz-first-voters-preferred-national-to-labour-at-2017-election-by-wide-margin
  
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  October 5, 2019 9:01am
- MrTips
  
  We’re about 2 yrs into the govt, which is about the time any govt with Winston in it falls apart. It’s uncanny how precise he is in ruining everything he touches.
  
  Hopefully the media actually investigate him and his allies properly.
  
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  October 5, 2019 9:04am
  - harvey wilson
    
    Yep , two years is normally when a coalition involving NZ first falls apart , the other sign is the economy tanking and it’s traditional for labour to leave office with the country in a recession.
    
    Next year could see Labour’s vote reduced to Cunliffe levels and at least one coalition partner out of parliament.
    
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    October 5, 2019 10:15am
  - Wired-one
    
    Wont happen mate. Look at how are media treats Ardern compared to Bridges, its chalk and cheese. I’m over it all to be honest, the most incompetent government in our history deserve to be booted out at the next election, but we have a MSM doing their best to keep Ardern in power.
    
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    October 5, 2019 10:38am
- RoboRob
  
  Whilst I agree that NZF is primarily Winston Peter’s and that Winston makes all the decisions, I disagree that the rest of NZF wanted National.
  
  If you looked at the NZF policies and the other Mps statements it is obvious the party is left leaning. Simply looking at members Facebook postings shows a hatred of National and there policies. If that wasn’t enough, Shane Jones came from Labour and was clearly Winstons chosen successor.
  
  NZF was never going with National.
  
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  October 5, 2019 10:09am
  - Stephen Russell
    
    The survey was of people who voted NZF. This is a wider group than those who post on the Members Facebook page.
    
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    October 5, 2019 10:55am
  - igm
    
    Bill English was never going to capitulate to Peters’ demands to remain in power . . . unlike the pathetic islam-adherent.
    
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    October 5, 2019 2:58pm
Happychappy

It shows you Labour are worried about Sexual Behavior in the Party with free alcohol being restricted and rationed with tokens at a Wellington City Council Local Body Election Celebration. Nothing is being left to chance after the turmoil the party found itself in following a Young Labour Summer Camp where people were drinking excessive amounts of alcohol” to get absolutely hammered”.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=12273735
There is still the problem of lies that are associated with the cover up of these problems so when will they address them.
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October 5, 2019 8:17am
- Inandout
  
  Happy, I love the unintended meanings in this statement:
  ‘Labour’s Lambton Ward candidate Brian Dawson said the party had learned the hard way to take things more seriously’.
  
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  October 5, 2019 8:46am
- Okahu
  
  Happy. You may be a new New Zealander so allow me to explain. Getting hammered is a fairly normal approach to alcohol in this country. Has been for ever. From mid teens til, well, death for some, it’s as common as fish and chips. You may have missed those years of young partying in our culture where you would have been surprised to find a non drinker. I hazard half the first sexual experiences of the readers here were lubricated as it were. Still, I suppose it’s much worse if the wrong people have their fun.
  
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  October 5, 2019 9:23am
  - kowtow
    
    Getting hammered is fairly normal ……..
    
    ……however the difference is that this involves Labour , the party in government , who make a supreme virtue of telling everyone else , what to do how to do it , when to do it , keeping safe , blah blah blah .Included in that is wowserism around liquour licesning etc and around child/youf safety blah blah.
    
    So when they get caught out , not doing as they preach , or being the most transparent and open
    etc yes it becomes a very big deal and rightly so.
    
    This is not about young people having fun , it’s about hypocrisy in high office.
    
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    October 5, 2019 10:24am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  interesting that we have to go to the Herald to find out what is happening in Wellington.
  
  I vaguely recall that Wellington used to have a local newspaper – two in fact, that covered local news and politics as if it mattered.
  
  All we have left is a click-bait wrapper that cannot even be bothered phoning it in.
  
  To coin a phrase, Sad!
  
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  October 5, 2019 10:51am
- pb
  
  The only way to accept the current illogical left wing Labour agenda is whacked out of your mind. So if alcohol is out, must seek to legalise cannabis, and get green gill whacked.
  
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  October 5, 2019 11:43am
lilman

Lol but whinney got his way.
Congrats too national for telling him piss off .

I was only a week out on that breaking news.

Whinney has more trouble bearing down on him as activist journalist’s are investigating him as we speak.

Follow the money.
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October 5, 2019 8:20am
- G152
  
  Activism journalists are pointing in all directions except Peters.
  The cowards dont want to be snarled at by a barely coherent short sad sack as it weaves toward the House.
  
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  October 5, 2019 8:37am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Winston is also horribly litigious. I don’t know how he affords it but he sure causes nuisance as it pleases him. Winston filing proceedings, even if not actively pursued, puts the other party to the expense to answer or Winston may win by default. It’s a roguish game he plays strongly.
    
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    October 5, 2019 10:21am
- freethinker
  
  Would that be $158,000 or is there more?
  
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  October 5, 2019 8:49am
  - sooty
    
    You betcha!
    
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    October 5, 2019 9:47am
  - igm
    
    Plus interest and penalties . . . .just like we get when tax is overdue!
    
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    October 5, 2019 10:29am
- RoboRob
  
  All NZ ‘journalists’ are terrified of Winston. Expect them to go very litely on him. Shane Jones threatens UTU but Winston has history on actually delivering on his threats.
  
  I still laugh at Duncan Garner apologising to Winston publicly for critising him for being late to interviews. They think they need him more than he needs them, they are of course wrong.
  
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  October 5, 2019 10:18am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  It would probably be opportune timing for the activist divisions of the Labour Party and the Green Party of Aotearoa/New Zealand to begin their undermining of Winston and NZ First in time for the next election – after all, two is cozy but three is definitely a crowd…
  
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  October 5, 2019 10:56am
artemisia

National floating a policy idea about fining parents whose offspring leave school early and are not in work, education or training. I doubt it will get far, but does at least shine a light on a serious problem – young aimless people building a career on the sofa.

There’s an incredible piece of journalism on Spinoff and Newshub. Incredibly bad, that is. The journalist, Reed Fleming should be deeply ashamed.

(Reed Fleming is a former Labour Party staffer and Victoria University public policy graduate. That’s a surprise, not much grasp of public policy then.)

Just to mention two of his examples, for a start, Ms Bennett could have left school at 15, as that was the leaving age at the time. Then she went to work, Mr Fleming tells us. As did Ms Allen, after leaving school at 16, the leaving age at the time..

Paula Bennett left school at 16 and started work in a stationery shop. Under National’s plan her parents, Bob and Lee, would’ve been asked to stump up $3000. Do as I say, not as I do!

Paula Bennett isn’t the only MP who would’ve been hit by National’s School Leaver Tax. Kiri Allan, a Labour List MP, dropped out of school at 16 and went to work at KFC before eventually studying at Victoria University. Hopefully, the wages from the Colonel would’ve covered the whopping $3000 fine.

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/10/lorde-paula-bennett-sonny-bill-williams-and-other-kiwis-who-would-be-fined-under-nationals-school-leavers-policy.html
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October 5, 2019 8:20am
- KevO'Brien
  
  A problem is young people are maturing earlier and the schools are not keeping up.
  An 8:30 am start is not suitable for many teenagers whose hormones have been arranged for a different time zone.
  The curriculum seems dumbed down too to the level of boring. When everyone is treated as equal at the mediocrity of the close-to-lowest (to match teaching beliefs?) are drop outs not to be expected?
  
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  October 5, 2019 8:39am
  - Ruahine
    
    You are right about the curriculum being dumbed down. There is only so PC ideology that a young brain can absorb and then it would seem to be no time left for what is now known as the STEMS subjects. Unless you are Asian. They find the time.
    
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    October 5, 2019 9:46am
- Gravelroad
  
  If this is a true reflection of National’s “policy idea”
  then they need to think again.
  I can think of very few teenagers who would be influenced to stay at school and/or take up further training or risk their parents/caregivers being fined.
  There are many reasons why young people leave school. Fining parents/caregivers will make no difference.
  Added to which, how would the fine money be administered, collected and spent?
  Is this really a possible policy or is someone making this up?
  
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  October 5, 2019 8:48am
- SGA
  
  National floating a policy idea about fining parents whose offspring leave school early and are not in work, education or training.
  
  I suspect that you’d be trying to get blood out of a stone in too many cases for this to be an effective policy. I’m genuinely surprised that National hasn’t thought of that problem.
  
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  October 5, 2019 8:52am
  - Nickc2
    
    I am a National supporter and I think this is a dumb policy.
    
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    October 5, 2019 10:08am
    - John Warren
      
      Same.
      
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      October 5, 2019 10:21am
    - Michael
      
      it is a dumb policy.
      How about National providing an apprenticeship for each one leaving at 16, thats what it was in my day.
      
      Those going to college or uni stayed on for A levels and the others went to tech and ot apprenticeships, building, electronics, hairdressing etc
      
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      October 5, 2019 10:26am
- Wayne
  
  This is a terrible policy/policy idea. Nats are trying to get in the news, but this is not the way to do it.
  
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  October 5, 2019 8:53am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  “– young aimless people building a career on the sofa.”
  
  Where the “sofa” is a metaphor for “welfare.”
  
  Who in NZ has the courage to debate the relationship between welfare, dependence, aimlessness, inter-generational welfare dependence, and how some cultures are pre-disposed to “putting their hands out.”
  
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  October 5, 2019 8:57am
  - gravedodger
    
    Might that be euphemism rather than metaphor
    
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    October 5, 2019 9:42am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Sofa = fortnite.
    
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    October 5, 2019 10:23am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Who? Try https://lindsaymitchell.blogspot.com
    
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    October 5, 2019 12:06pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  Reed Fleming is not a journalist. He is a Labour Party activist, and Labour Party staffer, or at least has been in the not-too-distant past. I would take anything he writes with copious quantities of salt.
  
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  October 5, 2019 3:30pm
  - artemisia
    
    Certainly Reed Fleming did not engage his brain when writing this article, too intent on a spot of dissing to worry about your actual facts. So, agree with you about the bucket of salt.
    
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    October 5, 2019 6:29pm
  - toby1845
    
    I can’t help wondering how recently he ceased being a Labour staffer. And whether he worked in Ardern’s office until……recently.
    
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    October 5, 2019 10:33pm
    - Tony Stuart
      
      No, not him.
      
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      October 5, 2019 11:09pm
Luke Piewalker

Another observation after arriving back to NZ:
So apart from visiting kindies can anyone tell me what Jacinda actually does?

She seems to have no grasp of anything to do with the NZ economy
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October 5, 2019 8:23am
- Albert_Ross
  
  It’s increasingly apparent that she doesn’t want to be Prime Minister, she wants to be the Queen, or maybe the Duchess of Cambridge, above and outside of politics and there rather to look lovely, to dignify the nation and bring charity, grace and light to the less fortunate. She’d probably be reasonably good at that.
  
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  October 5, 2019 8:43am
  - Ruahine
    
    Guess who is paying for the charity.
    
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    October 5, 2019 9:47am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Ardern has already taken regal status by her actions on Taranaki and Ihuamatau.
    
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    October 5, 2019 10:25am
  - JackRabbit
    
    Jacinda doesn’t want to be the Queen or a duchess. She despises the Queen and the royal system. At her swearing in with the Queen, did a Freudian slip and had difficulty over the words in the Oath of Allegiance.
    
    She is a communist through and through and won’t stop until the world is shaped to her will. So maybe the Borg Queen.
    
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    October 5, 2019 11:24am
- Bobba Fret
  
  I’ll list below what she does:
  
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  October 5, 2019 8:44am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Good list, missed
    
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    October 5, 2019 10:13am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    Hang on, you missed one! Oh, nope, on second thoughts you got them all!
    
    Right up there with the list of labour achievements –
    
    I found one of those – they have lifted 61 deadbeats and wannabes out of poverdy!
    
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    October 5, 2019 10:55am
- Than
  
  She puts on a concerned face, nods, and says something meaningless. Sometimes while wearing a headscarf.
  
  But in terms of actually running the country, she leaves that boring stuff to Winston.
  
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  October 5, 2019 8:56am
- kowtow
  
  On her first day on the campaign trail , after rolling Little , she was asked about the Reserve bank interest rate meeting that day , she didn’t know it was on . The Media Party gave her a free pass ( had she been a ‘Tory’ , and not the internationalist socialist that the Media party know her to be) , she’d have been crucified and made unelectable by that same Media Party.
  
  They did that to Don Brash . The Media Party are activists in the political scene and go well beyond their self proclaimed role as the so called 4 th estate.
  
  We live in very dangerous , controlled and manipulated times.
  
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  October 5, 2019 9:01am
- sooty
  
  Very little, she likes shopping trips and holidays in the sun!
  
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  October 5, 2019 9:04am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  She regularly consults with her support base of the Auckland beautiful set – actors, musicians, journalists, society wannabes, artists and photographers…
  
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  October 5, 2019 9:49am
  - John Warren
    
    That will be very close to the frightening truth.
    
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    October 5, 2019 10:24am
- Mr_Blobby
  
  She is heading off to Gisborne to participate in the latest round of protests.
  
  The local Maori are upset that the Endeavour replica is visiting, some rellies where killed 250 years ago.
  
  They of course showed no aggression so hence should not have been touched.
  
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  October 5, 2019 10:09am
- niggly
  
  Has she made a visit to NZ again since being in NY last week?
  
  Actually I think I heard her on the radio on Tuesday (her regular media appearance day) but other than that haven’t heard a thing since.
  
  Perhaps being back again and confronting the latest COL messes is just too much to deal with?
  
  Must take a glance over at Trotter’s site to see if he has any insights on the MIA PM over the next few days!
  
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  October 5, 2019 10:13am
- JackRabbit
  
  She does nothing because she had no solid plan of progress. She has no hierarchy of values or principles, just eclectic ideas borne out of emotional wants and indoctrination.
  
  A hierarchy of values requires understanding “first principles”, which also requires the ability to actually think, not just the swilling around of emotional claptrap in a contorted mind.
  
  Communicating genuine ideas and principles requires forming “original thoughts” as one goes through the mental process of understanding how those ideas and principles could be applied in the real world.
  
  This last point is important because it explains why Labour say stupid things, do stupid things and have been caught dozens, if not hundreds of times issuing written or verbal statements that are either straight plagiarising or complete nonsense.
  
  Since neither Jacinda or the Labour leaders are capable of original thought, and certainly do not understand first principles, everything has to be copy and paste, or in some cases complete filler.
  
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  October 5, 2019 11:42am
igm

What are we doing?
MSM are denying us information on yet another muslim terror attack in France where innocent police were killed because a mong did not like being reprimanded by a woman.
What is the story on the dregs of fakeugees being given easy access to NZ by Ardern and Lees-Galloway?
Come on NZ, let’s have a unbiased poll on whether we want to accept these vile and useless floor kissers?
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October 5, 2019 8:24am
- DigNap15
  
  No wonder the French police are commiting suicide.
  They cant even keep themselves safe!
  The guy was known to them during the Charlie Hebron attack!
  And yet he was still working for them!
  
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  October 5, 2019 8:49am
  - Straight arrow
    
    Converted 18 months ago, so what has Charlie Hebron got to do with him?
    
    Mirror: “Prosecutors allege that Michael Harpon – who converted to Islam 18 months before the attack – had communicated with a ‘radical Islamist group’ such as ISIS of Al-Qaeda.
    
    “His wife, Iham, was arrested soon afterwards and told detectives that Harpon had ‘heard voices’ and was ‘incoherent and suffered a dementia attack’ the night before.
    
    “Investigators now believe there was a terrorist motivation for the slaughter, which caused the worst loss of French police lives in a single day since World War II.”
    
    As one person on twitter commented, media code for “not a real muslim” is “recent convert”. Wife distancing herself, with he was hearing voices, which actually may have been him motivating himself.
    
    Be interesting to see how this one plays out.
    
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    October 5, 2019 12:46pm
- srylands
  
  I’m surprised that got through moderation. You can argue that New Zealand should accept no refugees. However calling a group of people “vile and useless floor kissers” is pretty awful.
  
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  October 5, 2019 8:51am
  - igm
    
    It is true . . . face reality and fact!
    
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    October 5, 2019 10:31am
  - Steve Todd
    
    “However calling a group of people “vile and useless floor kissers” is pretty awful.”
    
    srylands, igm has been commenting here for nearly two years now. Ninety-nine percent of his (more than 1,000?) comments are in this vein: nasty, disgusting, filthy, uncharitable, meanspirited, utterly lacking in empathy, etc., etc.
    
    If this guy doesn’t sport a pencil moustache, then surely no-one does.
    
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    October 5, 2019 10:42am
    - igm
      
      I have no time for leeches, losers, islam, or socialists.
      I have run businesses all my life and provided for myself, as do my family and friends. If one wants something, work for it, do not expect to be catered for by taxpayers . . . there is no room in any economy for self-entitled freeloaders and bludgers, which is what the majority of current CoL represent.
      
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      October 5, 2019 5:51pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        Wow! Talk about *triggered*!
        
        igm, you are *definitely* a sad man. You have just rejected the last 84 years of the “consensus” – well, sort of – between Labour and National governments.
        
        Please explain how you intend to bring about the type of government that would bring about your dystopian view of life in Aotearoa New Zealand.
        
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        October 5, 2019 6:30pm
  - Classic Liberal
    
    No doubt some people actually want this site closed down because of ‘hate speech’. This government is desperate to clamp down hard on wrongthink.
    
    The criticism of some ideologies is deliberately being confused with ‘racism’. Identity politics is now weirdly protecting an incredibly homophobic and misogynist religion throughout western Europe with ‘hate speech’ laws, and the same is going to hit NZ very hard under this government.
    
    Soon I won’t be allowed to write: the koran encourages men to *beat their wives* (sura 4:34).
    
    While the ideology itself can merrily keep telling men to beat their wives because religions are protected.
    
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    October 5, 2019 10:50am
    - igm
      
      Take a look at what Islam has produced in Aus. Five-year-old kids intimidated by muslim kids at the behest of their parents. Thank God Aus have a decent PM and MPs . . . not the pathetic virtue signalling crap we have here!
      
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      October 5, 2019 11:31am
  - DigNap15
    
    I think its a very quick and useful definition.
    I have written it down.
    Its actually quite mild.
    
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    October 5, 2019 3:01pm
- Inandout
  
  igm, I long ago learnt that the internet is my friend when things go awry in other countries. I even miss the 6pm ‘news’ on local TV because it is so one sided and deliberately censors information. I set ‘The Chase’ so it stops recording the moment it finishes, and I can zip through the TV1 promo ads. There is a wealth of information on the streaming services.
  
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  October 5, 2019 8:53am
  - Mr_Blobby
    
    It was the offshore news services that alerted me to the upcoming protests at Gisborne over the Endeavour visit.
    
    Nothing from the local fake news brokers.
    
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    October 5, 2019 10:12am
  - DigNap15
    
    Yes I agree
    I used to love watching the news at 6pm.
    Now I avoid it like the plague.
    And I never look at the Herald as its womens weekly section is all premium
    And I am trying to wean myself off stuff as its full of climate change and other woke leftist shit.
    
    Magic Talk radio is my only NZ media now and Youtube.
    
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    October 5, 2019 3:04pm
- stephieboy
  
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  igm,” floor kissers ?? like the Holy Father when he kisses the ground after disembarking from a plane or genuflects before the altar
  
  https://www.catholic.com/qa/why-does-the-pope-kiss-the-ground-after-he-disembarks-from-an-airplane
  
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  October 5, 2019 9:25am
  - igm
    
    Was working at freezing works during school holidays years ago when Islam forced halal killing on the operation.
    A friend was walking into a room when he saw this apparition kissing the floor and thought he was being rude, so placed a well executed size 10 boot up his posterior . . . he went mental, but my friend being a committed league player, soon pacified him . . . the right way!
    
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    October 5, 2019 10:34am
    - Ian Boag
      
      Another grumpy old fart ….. Freezing works stopped hiring schoolkids in the summer something like 40+ years ago.
      
      Islam forced halal killing on the operation
      
      No force – only if the meat companies wanted to sell meat to the Middle East. Still goes AFAIK ….
      
      And as for your friend booting a praying Moslem up the bum .. doesn’t say much for your choice of ignorant, bigoted or whatever company.
      
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      October 5, 2019 3:03pm
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Stuffy: as an atheist I find that all religions I’ve come across include stupid and sometimes dangerous instructions to their followers.
    
    When we’re no longer allowed to criticise and to make fun of these ideologies because they happen to be religions, we lose our freedom of speech. Then we live under a misogynist and homophobic load of blasphemy laws.
    
    Goodbye Monty Python… ‘Every sperm is sacred….’.
    
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    October 5, 2019 11:01am
- chaos
  
  MSN media are not denying you anything. What happened is widely reported on the internet, nothing really to do with us so no reason for our media to over report it, you can get your news information on this story if it interests you from all the msn overseas that have stories on it.
  
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  October 5, 2019 9:29am
  - sooty
    
    Popes just glad that he got there!
    Some people do the the same, when they arrive in one piece.
    
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    October 5, 2019 9:53am
- greybeard
  
  I have been waiting in vain to hear National promise to overturn that latest refugee decision when they get in.
  
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  October 5, 2019 10:13am
The King

The slippery slope isn’t re…

Climate change activist tells AOC to save the world everybody needs to eat babies…

https://twitter.com/westland_will/status/1179972465331539969
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October 5, 2019 8:32am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  I believe this is what is known as a “Modest Proposal”.
  
  Sadly AOC and her crew has had no education and either doesn’t know they are being trolled, or are too thick to understand….
  
  On reflection, there is a third alternative – they might mean it, it does seem that “climate emergency” seems to be a flypaper for the mentally ill.
  
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  October 5, 2019 10:57am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Wow, she came across as totally genuine (more so than Thurnberg actually). And AOC didn’t even really disavow the concept, just talked about ‘having more time’…
  
  Without being so extreme: people who call themselves Greens must face the facts: if they believe there is huge overpopulation, they should not be having children. If they have children, they simply are not Environmentalists in an overpopulated world.
  
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  October 5, 2019 11:10am
- pb
  
  She was for real. Ritual human sacrifice is back! Beware the green pagan concealing a shiv.
  
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  October 5, 2019 11:48am
- Straight arrow
  
  I am told that “eat the babies” is a euphemism for the conclusion of a particular act.
  
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  October 5, 2019 12:57pm
peterwn

NZ Post courier deliveries seem to be going the way of their postal services. My new laptop ordered Thursday, reached Wellington Friday early a.m. then bounced around in a courier van all day before being returned to the depot undelivered. Now have to wait until Monday (hopefully).
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October 5, 2019 8:37am
- Inandout
  
  peter, I have used Briscoes to courier items and their delivery times always were either next day or close to. NZ Post I have found do not even bother to use our driveway and just leave a note in the letterbox saying the nearest post office has my parcel.
  
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  October 5, 2019 8:58am
  - alwyn
    
    “nearest post office has my parcel.”?
    What on earth would be the use of that? With the way that the Post Office is going down hill that would probably mean that I would have to drive from my home in Karori, Wellington, up to Palmerston North to collect it.
    
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    October 5, 2019 10:01am
    - chaos
      
      It’s worse when you are sitting in the front room, watch the courier pull up to the letterbox and put a note in saying where to pick up your parcel, making no attempt to deliver it.
      
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      October 5, 2019 10:34am
- chaos
  
  That’s alright, I’ve ordered small things for courier delivery only to find the postie deliver it.
  
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  October 5, 2019 9:30am
kevn

@Luke… Apart from Hosking, no-one asks the hard questions.
Even in the House at question time, mallard props her up.
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October 5, 2019 8:37am
- Morrissey
  
  Hosking asks hard questions? You’re not serious.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=871-3XMhtAk
  
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  October 5, 2019 10:42am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    They’re very simple questions, but our very simple PTPM doesn’t know the answers.
    It’s that simple.
    
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    October 5, 2019 11:42am
Paulus

Since the strain of the World Cup and New York travel she is now resting with her “partners” family in Gisborne and PR front the Maori PR commemoration.
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October 5, 2019 8:40am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Well its been a Yuge week, going to the rugby and calling Japan China, then getting 143rd billing at the UN behind the vacuous, venal and crippled.
  
  Then having to pretend a pullaside with the US President is a bilateral, when she is the last english speaker to have met with him, and at the same time the Australian PM was getting full guest of honour treatment.
  
  To top it all, some weird teenager is going to pip her for the Nobel she has worked so hard for!
  
  The poor girl must be exhausted, no wonder she needs a rest.
  
  Now she has to decide if she is “very concerned”, or just “sad” and (pouty) that the world’s greatest navigator was ambushed on arrival in Gizzy, and offed a few of the natives (having been to Gizzy and met a few of them, who could blame him!).
  
  I am sure she will present this as an opportunity for all her peoples to come together and agree that white people are dreadful….
  
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  October 5, 2019 11:03am
- Scooter
  
  Funny how she coincides her official visits where she has relatives.
  
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  October 5, 2019 3:42pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Climate change activist “humour”
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/10/03/aoc-follower-goes-berserk-in-town-hall-claims-we-have-to-eat-babies-to-survive-climate-change/
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October 5, 2019 8:46am
- virtualmark
  
  Unfortunately those sort of “town hall” type events attract people who aren’t 100% healthy in the head. It gives them an audience and a forum to let the voices in their head speak.
  
  Not a left thing or a right thing. Sadly just a thing.
  
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  October 5, 2019 8:52am
- Inandout
  
  Maggy, this is the reason Trump’s campaign funds just keep getting larger. Unstable AOC seems to attract these weirdos.
  
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  October 5, 2019 9:00am
  - Morrissey
    
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    What is unstable about AOC? Are you prejudiced against her working class accent? Or are you angry that people like her are so popular?
    
    Don’t worry, though, my bewildered amigo: the Democratic “leadership” (Schumer, Pelosi) fear and despise her far more than you and your right wing buddies do.
    
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    October 5, 2019 9:28am
    - srylands
      
      IIRC Maggy has pointed out that she is not “right wing”.
      
      Anyway to your question. I don’t know about unstable. No evidence. But there is video evidence that she is stupid. Hundreds of videos. Like this one.
      
      https://youtu.be/4TJK1a8OHyw
      
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      October 5, 2019 9:59am
      - Ruahine
        
        She is wearing the correct ankle boots though.
        
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        October 5, 2019 10:26am
      - Morrissey
        
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        Okay, so criticizing one of the most brutal regimes in the world makes her stupid, in your view. That’s useful for the rest of us, when it comes to assessing the rigor of your statements.
        
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        October 5, 2019 10:40am
      - Swifty
        
        And this one:
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQ1HWI_RCEk&t=334s
        
        And this one:
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_TYZ6VRNNg
        
        And this one:
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sMZNcxdoCA
        
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        October 5, 2019 10:54am
      - Swifty
        
        No Morrissey, she’s stupid because of all the mistakes she makes.
        
        Oh, and all of her ‘mis-speaks’ (some would say lies).
        
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        October 5, 2019 11:28am
      - srylands
        
        FFS Israel is a beacon of freedom surrounded by despots. Have you actually been there?
        
        Here you go Morrisey. Smile at the Israeli Defense Forces.
        
        https://www.facebook.com/125249070831305/posts/2655387417817445/
        
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        October 5, 2019 12:18pm
- Morrissey
  
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  “liberalism has become a mental illness”…
  
  Good to see you’re haunting the most rational, fairminded, balanced and scholarly websites Maggy!
  
  https://i.imgur.com/cg7Pbe8.gif
  
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  October 5, 2019 9:04am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Feel free to provide me with your list of sites I should not/must not visit.
    
    I’ll add it to the sites Griff and stephieboy said I mustn’t visit.
    
    Then I’ll file it away with my list of forbidden readings (Index Librorum Prohibitorum).
    
    I’ll just hunt out Grandfather-in-law’s cardboard cut-out frame which was placed on his Radio in Berlin indicating where the verboten frequencies were.
    
    Perhaps you could provide me with a little app I could download which will block me from visiting NASTY sites.
    
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    October 5, 2019 10:26am
    - Morrissey
      
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      [Mod – deleted. Go and abuse people somewhere else Morrissey]
      
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      October 5, 2019 10:38am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Playing abuse tag with stephieboy are you Morrissey.
        
        and do some reading?
        Do you ever wonder how the daughter of a dunny cleaner from Castlecliff ended up with a 1st Class hons and a Ph.D. in the Sciences … and made a decent living from editing/writing?
        
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        October 5, 2019 11:51am
      - srylands
        
        That was a magic response. ?
        
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        October 5, 2019 12:21pm
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Wow Maggy, I’m sorry to see that you now have two stalkers!
      
      So: this is what happens from Leftards to moderate/right women on this site who dare to give their real name.
      
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      October 5, 2019 11:22am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        It is just par for course for me on this blog…
        I’ve been the object of personal abuse from a few for the last 4 years…
        I’ve no idea if they work independently or in concert…Their techniques are vey similar..
        
        As Calendar girl observed 3+ years ago:
        
        These comments, cumulatively, are not simply ‘gentle ribbing’ of a person, nor are they even mildly amusing. They are deliberate attempts to belittle the person, rather than to question or challenge that person’s views in an atmosphere of robust debate.
        https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2016/01/general_debate_4_january_2016.html/comment-page-2#comment-1644454
        
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        October 5, 2019 3:14pm
    - Brian Marshall
      
      Maggy for the win with an epic put down.
      Thanks for making my Saturday afternoon so much more enjoyable Maggy ?
      
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      October 5, 2019 12:15pm
- cmm
  
  As always these nutters always demand that others make sacrifices.
  
  If she thinks human flesh needs to be eaten then why does she not offer her own flesh to be eaten?
  
  Notice too that her first solution to “too many people” is to bomb Russia. Why not bomb your own suburb first?
  
  No different to James Shaw (that nice guy) and PriNZess flying around the world to tell us all to stop flying.
  
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  October 5, 2019 9:13am
- emmess
  
  Too funny
  I hope that give AOC an understanding of how the rest of us feel about the likes of her or Greta’s climate alarmism.
  
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  October 5, 2019 9:18am
- KevO'Brien
  
  It was probably a prank by an anti-AOC to highlight the foolishness of AOC.
  
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  October 5, 2019 10:29am
- Classic Liberal
  
  I think it was an excellent moment: whether genuinely mad or a just a hoax, she shows just how crazy this climate panic is making people.
  
  And it’s half true: if people calling themselves ‘Green’ think the world is seriously overpopulated, they certainly should not be having children.
  
  Most of them don’t face that fact.
  
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  October 5, 2019 11:15am
Monique Watson

Labour busy informing their constituents to vote for their local body candidates. Vote for those who underdeliver. They’re not even making promises now.

https://www.labour.org.nz/localbodycandidates2019?utm_campaign=191002_countdown_test_1&utm_campaign=191004_gotv_nationwide_3&utm_medium=email&utm_medium=email&utm_source=nzlabour&utm_source=nzlabour
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October 5, 2019 8:56am
- sooty
  
  Mine says that there is no Labour endorsed person standing. So no KFC, this year I take. Saving up for next years general election!
  
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  October 5, 2019 10:01am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Those standing may or may not have Official labour Party endorsement but some of them label themselves as fully dyed Reds. That helped in my rejection of all of them.
    
    This year, there is an enormous number of candidates claiming to be concerned about water when NZ has more than sufficient. I think this is a false Maori, pay us more, issue being promoted.
    
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    October 5, 2019 10:31am
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GROPERS
No. 76: Placido Domingo

The opera star Plácido Domingo has resigned as general director of Los Angeles Opera – a company he helped found – amid allegations of sexual harassment that span several decades.

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Though Domingo is still scheduled to perform at various venues in Europe, the 78-year-old singer has faced fierce criticism following the publication of accounts by the Associated Press from nine women who said that he harassed them over three decades beginning in the late 1980s. The women described instances of unwanted kissing, groping and sexual advances along with threats to their careers if they resisted.

A few weeks later, the AP published 11 additional accounts, including that of singer Angela Turner Wilson, who said Domingo reached under her clothes and grabbed her bare breast while the two were getting ready for a Washington Opera performance during the 1999-2000 season.

“It hurt,” Wilson told the AP. “Then I had to go on stage and act like I was in love with him.”

Domingo responded that he believed their interaction had been consensual. ….

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2019/oct/02/placido-domingo-resigns-los-angeles-opera

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/placido-domingo-resigns-los-angeles-opera-sexual-harassment-allegations_n_5d950576e4b02911e11518fd

“GROPERS” is presented by GroperWatch®, a division of Daisycutter Sports Inc.
1 George Herbert Walker Bush; … 74 His Royal Heinous Prince Andrew; 75 Romano-Lukas Hitler.

http://morrisseybreen.blogspot.com/2019/10/gropers-no-76-placido-domingo-oct-5-2019.html
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October 5, 2019 8:57am
- sooty
  
  When are you going to do one on your best mate, stephieboy? That could be an interesting one, with his varied interests!
  
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  October 5, 2019 9:21am
  - Morrissey
    
    stephieboy?
    
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COyv96HWsAAxx5z.jpg
    
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    October 5, 2019 10:36am
    - chaos
      
      mods you might want to check Morrissey link, think he linked to the porn by mistake he was looking at.
      
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      October 5, 2019 4:08pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Daisycutter Sports Inc. is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Breen Enterprises Ltd., purveyors of fuckwittery to the world.
  
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  October 5, 2019 9:24am
- chaos
  
  I always find that most people who protest so much about something like this if not sexually abused, do so to cover up their own actions and guilt
  
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  October 5, 2019 9:40am
  - sooty
    
    Guaranteed.
    
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    October 5, 2019 10:03am
Scooter

Newstalk ZB Freudian slip, “Man charged with murder of farm woker”. Lazy journalists.
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October 5, 2019 9:02am
Fletch

Cutting through the media noise on “impeachment”. There is no impeachment inquiry, and no subpoenas have been issued. It takes a vote on the floor of the House to trigger that, which hasn’t happened. This is all political theatre and the media is eating it up.

What is portrayed as an “impeachment inquiry” is actually just a made-for-cable-TV political soap opera. The House of Representatives is not conducting a formal impeachment inquiry. To the contrary, congressional Democrats are conducting the 2020 political campaign.

The House has not voted as a body to authorize an impeachment inquiry. What we have are partisan theatrics, proceeding under the ipse dixit of Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.). It raises the profile, but not the legitimacy, of the same “impeachment inquiry” House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerrold Nadler (D-N.Y.) previously tried to abracadabra into being without a committee vote.

Moreover, there are no subpoenas. As Secretary Pompeo observed in his fittingly tart response on Tuesday, what the committee chairmen issued was merely a letter. Its huffing and puffing notwithstanding, the letter is nothing more than an informal request for voluntary cooperation. Legally, it has no compulsive power. If anything, it is rife with legal deficiencies.

The Democrats, of course, hope you don’t notice that the House is not conducting a formal impeachment inquiry. They are using the guise of frenetic activity by several standing committees — Intelligence, Judiciary, Foreign Affairs, Oversight and Reform, Financial Services, and Ways and Means — whose normal oversight functions are being gussied up to look like serious impeachment business.

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/464140-ignore-the-hype-this-is-not-an-impeachment-inquiry

So don’t let the media fool you. By the way, leaders engage is so-called ‘quid pro quo’ all the time. It’s part of the give and take between countries pursuing their own interests. The question is, was their a corrupt quid pro quo. If Trump was asking the Ukrainians to assist AG Barr’s legitimate Justice Dept investigation into the events around the 2016 campaign, there’s nothing wrong with that. It’s normal.
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October 5, 2019 9:03am
- KevO'Brien
  
  It become very hard to discern the truth of what is actually happening in the USA.
  
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  October 5, 2019 10:38am
- MCos
  
  A vote is required for an inquiry, only for an impeachment.
  
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  October 5, 2019 1:09pm
  - MCos
    
    Should have read “not required for an inquiry”
    
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    October 5, 2019 1:52pm
artemisia

I’m sure National want to be in the big seats again, and they will be of course, some time. But there are benefits to being in Opposition, and I’d put money on Labour looking back on those days with affection.

Big pay packets, perks, no accountability but many conversations, plenty of time to take potshots at others’ policy, and plenty of time to develop robust and costed policy.

Labour should be happy though – they get to do all that in government with even bigger pay packets and perks. What’s not to like?
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October 5, 2019 9:06am
- sooty
  
  Labour would be glad to be on the backbenchers just to shut up Twit Twyford as there he would get 30 seconds not 30 hours! He does like the sound of his own voice!
  
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  October 5, 2019 9:25am
- srylands
  
  The difference in remuneration between a Cabinet Minister and a backbencher is pretty big. Circa 170k vs 290k. That’s worth hanging onto.
  
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  October 5, 2019 8:14pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Why was Bishop Drennan on the Survivors Group of the Royal Commission into Historical Abuse?

Pope accepts resignation of NZ bishop over unacceptable sexual behaviour
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12273843

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/400327/cardinal-bishop-drennan-s-behaviour-was-completely-unacceptable

Was this how the RC church keeps tabs on any folk making complaints about abuse while in the care of the RC Church?
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October 5, 2019 9:07am
- sooty
  
  First hand experience?
  
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  October 5, 2019 9:10am
- Nukuleka
  
  Historical abuse and unacceptable sexual behaviour in the eyes of the Catholic Church are scarcely the same thing. This is the type of thing the ignorant and lazy msm get up to Maggy. Charles Drinnan appears to have had consensual sexual relations with an adult female. It may be beyond the boundary of the vow of celibacy but it is not as yet illegal I don’t think.
  
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  October 5, 2019 1:20pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    It’s none of my business if Drennan broke his celibacy vows… seems perfectly understandable to me.
    
    My question was specifically about his membership on the Survivor’s group.
    
    If he was a survivor of State or Church abuse then I can’t see why he needed to resign from the Survivor Group.
    
    If he wasn’t a State or Church abuse survivor, why was he appointed to be in that Group?
    
    I would think the presence of a Church representative could be very intimidating to some survivors.
    
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    October 5, 2019 2:31pm
Jack5

The stand-off between the main banks and ReserveBank governor Orr is highlighted in Stuff today by Henry Cooke.

A good place to keep up with this row is Michael Reddell’s blog, Croaking Cassandra, such as this post yesterday:

https://croakingcassandra.com/2019/10/04/orr-on-bank-capital/
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October 5, 2019 9:09am
- Ruahine
  
  When i read anything from Adrian Orr HMV always springs to mind.
  
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  October 5, 2019 10:20am
- pb
  
  Can we take the role of creation of capital away from the banking class? Why does it need to sit with grey suited globalists, a coin-clipper class, vampiric.
  
  There was a banking system tried for a while, in America. Farmers would take their harvest into the community bank, give it to the “silo”, and be issued credit. Farmer dollars. Farmer bank sold the grain as it saw fit. Money created by an actual thing, not a click-click on a computer.
  
  I do prefer the local banks though. Local local local in everything.
  
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  October 5, 2019 12:02pm
  - Jack5
    
    PB – the local banks are okay, but for most of them (State-backed Kiwbank excepted) the credit ratings are lower than for the big banks.
    
    The Swiss last year, rejected by 76 per scent to 24 per cent the idea of banning banks from creating capital and leaving this all to the central bank.
    
    Here’s the Swiss central bank chief rubbishing the Swiss suggestion:
    
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/swiss-central-bank-denounces-proposal-to-ban-money-creation-by-banks-1525365459
    
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    October 5, 2019 3:39pm
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Truth in Advertising
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October 5, 2019 9:15am
- chaos
  
  Aww you sound jealous, you might need to see a doctor and get some grow up pills.
  
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  October 5, 2019 9:39am
  - sooty
    
    New pair of knickers might help. The pair shes wearing are in a bunch!
    
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    October 5, 2019 10:05am
- hmmokrightitis
  
  Do you have a picture of…
  
  MLP spending time in NZ?
  
  A labour staffer not molesting a child?
  
  A labour staffer doing the right thing?
  
  Or maybe MLP not supporting a convicted drug dealer?
  
  I know, its a fantasy world I live in.
  
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  October 5, 2019 10:31am
MrTips

So Bp. Drennan has resigned over allegations of sexual impropriety with a young girl. Not criminal, but scandalous, and if accurately reported to the media, entirely appropriate he resign. I say if accurate, because I trust neither Dew nor Pope Francis as far as I can throw them.

All of which is very bad because this gives Francis the opportunity to import another LGBT alphabet loving, pan-Amazonian, pantheist blowhard into the NZCCB and further wrekovate the Church here.
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October 5, 2019 9:16am
Fletch

If you missed Paddy Gower getting a makeover from a drag queen “star” on TV (“I’m starting to feel quite sexy”) then you’re lucky…..
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October 5, 2019 9:18am
- chaos
  
  Saw photos, ugliest drag queen I’ve seen.
  
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  October 5, 2019 9:37am
  - sooty
    
    But look at what they had to start with!
    
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    October 5, 2019 10:07am
  - emmess
    
    Jeez, that saying alot
    Congratulations Paddy
    
    Edit: Just saw a bit of the video. Possibly the first drag queen in history where it is an actual improvement in looks.
    
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    October 5, 2019 11:28am
- The King
  
  The drag queen says…
  
  “I came to New Zealand as a refugee because the Maldives is a 100-percent Muslim country and I have renounced Islam and I’m queer so therefore in order to be safe I had to come to New Zealand,”
  
  LMFAO
  
  Clown world.
  
  https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/im-starting-to-feel-quite-sexy-patrick-gower-dresses-up-in-drag/ar-AAIgjvq
  
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  October 5, 2019 10:09am
  - Inandout
    
    TK, I see the beginnings of a clown queen from that photo of makeup. Paddy looks a tad embarrassed, like ‘what have I just bitten off?’.
    
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    October 5, 2019 11:00am
    - sooty
      
      I wonder if Paddy went clubbing with Cindy in drag?
      
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      October 5, 2019 12:48pm
  - Classic Liberal
    
    LMFAO I presume because if you or I had dared point this out about the Maldives, we would be dragged through the mud for ‘racism’?
    
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    October 5, 2019 11:41am
tedbear

I see the CoL wants pensioners to pay a lot more for their electricity.
We currently enjoy a 24% prompt payment discount so that’s a goneburger.
Low-fixed daily charge plans for low power users are shit out of luck too.
Perhaps in this year of delivery the Winter Handout will be extended to year round.
Oh look, flying pigs.
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October 5, 2019 9:18am
- kowtow
  
  The idiots won’t lower prices , they’ll just increase the “equal sharing of misery”.
  
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  October 5, 2019 9:53am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  The pricks are also going to penalise me for using gas.
  If only we had to be 65 to be able to vote.
  
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  October 5, 2019 10:01am
  - Inandout
    
    CM, a friend has just changed to piped gas for his water heating and was crowing about how he has ‘saved heaps’ in power bills, especially with his PPD.
    
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    October 5, 2019 11:04am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Tedbear, you don’t understand! The people rewarded will be big families. You should be glad that as you only had a sensible family size you can now give your money to people who had more children than they can support.
  
  And anyway, if you’re really poor maybe there’s some little benefit you can apply for – much better than making sensible decisions, saving up and living frugally /sarc
  
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  October 5, 2019 11:46am
- JackRabbit
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/116261780/electricity-reforms-will-take-pressure-off-monthly-power-bill-government-promises
  
  This intervention in the electricity is about buying votes, and ultimately gaining centralised control of the electricity system. Electricity companies will not be viable if Labour force prices down, and will eventually become full SOEs and merged into one system.
  
  Back before Labour got back in, they were pushing the idea of govt control and management of electricity. Before Claire Curren was demoted, she was chanting about state control and management being the only way to reduce prices.
  
  Once a socialist, always a socialist!
  
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  October 5, 2019 12:03pm
- Paulus
  
  Trustpower users get a share ownership dividend each year (currently about $500) as the product of the profit of their share ownership made at the time of setting up.
  May we assume this will go ?
  
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  October 5, 2019 2:07pm
The King

Get better mods David. These shit mods censor on their own beliefs, not on the rules.

If you don’t like what i say challenge it, oh yeah you can’t.
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October 5, 2019 9:27am
- Michael
  
  if we knew who they were we could authenticate that statement, as I have wondered myself.
  
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  October 5, 2019 10:40am
  - chaos
    
    They’ve never hidden who they are. Well at least two of them haven’t.
    
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    October 5, 2019 11:58am
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Good job COL now that refugees can be accepted from all four corners of the world and not discriminated against because they may have come from Africa and the Middle East!

“New Zealand’s ‘racist and discriminatory’ Africa and Middle East refugee policy scrapped”

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/new-zealands-racist-and-discriminatory-africa-middle-east-refugee-policy-scrapped
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October 5, 2019 9:30am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  This sort of crap is going to cost the COL big time at the election. Good job.
  
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  October 5, 2019 10:03am
- The King
  
  Yes, Stephieboy will give up his White neighborhood and host 7 families of 9 Africans in his house.
  
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  October 5, 2019 10:06am
- KevO'Brien
  
  We now actively discriminate against people of capability and Christians.
  
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  October 5, 2019 10:43am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Ideology is what matters far more than where they are from or their melanin levels.
    
    NZ should only take people who really support equal rights for all kiwis. Not people who believe men can beat their wives, women should walk around shrouded and homosexuals can be murdered!
    
    And yes Stuffy et al: any crazed extreme Christians who believe such crap should also be rejected, just as islamists.
    
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    October 5, 2019 11:53am
- Fletch
  
  Do we really want NZ ending up like Europe? I don’t think so.
  
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  October 5, 2019 10:48am
  - stephieboy
    
    Fletch, what makes you think that NZ will end up like Europe?
    
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    October 5, 2019 11:22am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    We will. SJWs would rather be raped and murdered than be called ‘racist’ for rejecting a misogynist, homophobic religion.
    
    The COL will open the floodgates and make criticism illegal.
    
    National will be too scared of being called ‘racist’ to do anything about it.
    
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    October 5, 2019 11:56am
    - Michael
      
      Yep it appears National might be too scared.
      
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      October 6, 2019 12:44am
- emmess
  
  Even supporters of the government, call it the COL now.
  Things must be getting really desperate.
  
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  October 5, 2019 11:33am
- Jack5
  
  Ho-ho, Stephie X …
  
  The Government’s opening of the gate to Middle-Easterners and Africans does not extend to Stephiestan! ?
  
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  October 5, 2019 12:02pm
  - stephieboy
    
    “The Government’s opening of the gate to Middle-Easterners …”
    
    Rubbish. Only within the context of our refugee quota numbers!
    
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    October 5, 2019 1:53pm
    - Paulus
      
      And are their families included afterwards.
      Remember it is said that Zaoui brought in 18 relatives – not disputed.
      
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      October 5, 2019 2:10pm
chaos

* The medical data of patients across Wellington, Kapiti and Wairarapa may have been breached.

An investigation into the August cyberattack on Primary Health Organisation (PHO) Tū Ora Compass Health, has revealed earlier ones dating back to 2016.*

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/10/cyber-attacks-leave-up-to-a-million-north-island-patients-medical-data-compromised.html
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October 5, 2019 9:32am
srylands

I listened to Jenny Shipley on the radio last night. Seems she has a leading role in celebrating the 250th anniversary of the first visit to New Zealand by James Cook. And in the interview, quite bizarrely, she did not mention Cook once. It was all about the genius of Maori navigators and canoes. WTF?
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October 5, 2019 9:37am
- srylands
  
  Just an addendum to my comment. Next year is the 250th anniversary of the discovery of the East Coast of Australia by Cook. He sailed over there after spending 1769 charting New Zealand. He famously landed at and named Botany Bay.
  
  The celebration is to be called “Cook 250“. It will prominently feature Cook’s achievements. Another example of how culturally, politically, and economically, New Zealand and Australia are diverging.
  
  https://www.communications.gov.au/what-we-do/cultural-heritage/250th-anniversary-captain-cooks-voyage-australia
  
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  October 5, 2019 9:52am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The 250 year commemoration of Cook’s Landing seems to have divided into 2 separate programmes a couple of years back.
  One arm became Tuia 250 and seems to be a celebration of the 1st arrival of Pacific waka/va’a to NZ…. The waka arrived this morning in Gizzy harbour… There’s celebrations/activities for the next 5 days under Tuia 250 .
  
  The Cook-Endeavour story is being subsumed into just another tale of ocean voyaging.
  The Endeavour arrives on Tuesday morning (8th Oct).
  
  Te Ha is the other arm.. and seems to be where the meeting of 2 cultures lies…
  
  On top of all the Tuia-250 activities, there’s a fortnight of Arts Festival happening also.
  
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  October 5, 2019 10:09am
  - namron
    
    Do you get a good view of Poverty Bay from your place, Maggy?
    This whole thing is very divisive amongst the people I am acquainted with and I wonder what might follow.
    Have you noticed if the 2 Endeavour models are back up again, or they “still being repaired”?
    
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    October 5, 2019 11:49am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      We have to walk a wee way up the hill to see out to Mahia Peninsula and Young Nick’s Head…our back neighbour has the commanding view of the outer Bay.. (we are sheltered from the south and face to the North).
      We’ve just returned from a walk over the hill (lunch down at the Wharf)…There’s a smallish crowd (a few 100 max) on the City-side of the Turanganui River listening to Kapa Haka. (Nothing like the 10,000 folk that was forecast).
      
      I’m pretty sure the models aren’t up.
      
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      October 5, 2019 2:49pm
- Ruahine
  
  Who is paying Jenny. There lies the answer.
  
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  October 5, 2019 10:11am
- sooty
  
  Singing by the new government song sheet.
  Just a preview of what’s to be taught in schools!
  
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  October 5, 2019 10:12am
- Inandout
  
  sry, isn’t Jenny sucking on the state tit? Most ex PMs are.
  
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  October 5, 2019 11:06am
  - Jack5
    
    Jenny is up to her ears in legal matters, with millions being sought from directors in the Mainzeal collapse, and the chief of them possibly untouchable because he’s in China.
    
    You would have thought Shipley would be wise to keep her head down at present.
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/111902049/liquidator-appeals-seeking-73-million-from-mainzeal-directors?rm=a
    
    AND
    
    http://www.sharechat.co.nz/article/ac6e763e/mainzeal-s-yan-to-resist-bankruptcy.html
    
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    October 5, 2019 12:21pm
- Paginus
  
  It’s as if our leaders hate our history, our culture, and our language.
  It like they’re actively trying to destroy us through immigration, rewriting history and forcing Maori language and culture on us.
  
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  October 5, 2019 11:08am
tranquil

Hi all –

This question has been swirling around in my mind for ages – “how do we show young people in this country that they have been **conned** by the Left?”

Given that the Left now controls everything from teacher training colleges to schools, universities, media, councils, government (thanks to Dutschke’s “long march”) it’s **extremely difficult** to tell the young people what has happened.

It would be good if a few of them read this blog but I very much doubt it.
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October 5, 2019 9:40am
- The King
  
  You have to have to be were the young people are, my son runs a 100k steam group and hosts fortnite scrims and discord servers. Him and his mates drop alot of red pills mostly by way of the meme.
  
  Despite heavy censorship everywhere many kids are not lost to the brainwash.
  
  Video game chat rooms are the last bastion of free speech left on the internet.
  
  Dlive streaming site is gaining in popularity due to their not overly censored policy. Leftist shitholes like Twitch are on the decline.
  
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  October 5, 2019 10:03am
  - tranquil
    
    That sounds good, King! I’ve just had a look at DLive – it looks great! Good to hear that your son and his mates are red-pilling people!
    
    It’s really good to get feedback that not all young people are as brainwashed as it sometimes seems they are (when you see children wandering down Lambton Quay screeching about “climate change”).
    
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    October 5, 2019 10:32am
  - slightlyrighty
    
    This.
    
    There are a lot of angry young men out there, and they are increasingly being joined by angry young women.
    
    Their Bullshit detectors are actually quite highly tuned, and we are starting to see many of our young people turn their backs on Academics in favour of more practical things.
    
    The lies that have been pushed by the Academic leftists with regard to Gender Pay Gap, the status of Trans Women are being recognised by a large group who see the falsehood, but are increasingly being denied the opportunity to publicly call it out for fear of being doxed.
    
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    October 5, 2019 11:24am
  - stephieboy
    
    “the last bastion of free speech left on the internet.” ??
    
    You mean hate speech, surely?
    
    Heavy censorship? Like here on KB & Whale Oil?
    
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    October 5, 2019 11:26am
  - Jack5
    
    ❓False trail ~~Kea~~ The King?
    
    If so, could the Kea have been whiling away the months banned from Kiwiblog by lurking in internet games rooms?
    
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    October 5, 2019 12:13pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  One hope is with young working people who have an interest in setting up their own business soon or later. They already see that too much red tape, government interference and over-taxation are serious problems.
  
  Just chatting to such young people around the shops in our suburb is interesting: they are not socialists!
  
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  October 5, 2019 12:06pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  I read my daughters Orwell’s Animal Farm (動物農場) when they were in junior high school (intermediate school). My older daughter is very good at pattern recognition and got the message right away.
  
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  October 5, 2019 4:13pm
marcw

September Update for Our Little Lady of the Apocalypse, St Greta:

Figures for Christchurch International Airport (Average Temperatures)

2019 10.1°C
2018 8.75
2017 6.75
2016 10.6
2015 6.25
2014 7.13
2013 6.3
2012 10.9
2011 8.5
2010 5.75

Average = 8.1°C
Rainfall = 54mm (Av. = 41mm)

So 2° above average, but 2 years in the 10 year period were higher (2016 & 2012).
Apocalypse averted for the pig-tailed moppet.
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October 5, 2019 9:46am
- srylands
  
  Perhaps the apocalypse has just been avoided at Christchurch Airport.
  
  “It has now been 31 consecutive months since New Zealand experienced a nationwide average temperature that was below average (at least 0.51˚C below the 1981-2010 average). ”
  
  https://www.niwa.co.nz/climate/monthly/climate-summary-for-august-2019
  
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  October 5, 2019 10:19am
  - Jules99
    
    That’s a pretty short time frame to call ‘average’. Since the data set they are using goes back to 1909, they should use the average going back that far to look at climate. Anything shorter is just weather.
    
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    October 5, 2019 12:45pm
  - Greg Ettridge
    
    Anyone in despair about temperature, move to Cape Otway in Victoria.
    here a few years stats.
    Over 122 year average maximum 1864 t0 2019
    17.3 c average
    1871 to 1900 19 c 1.7c warmer
    1901 to 1930 16.9 .4 c cooler
    1931 to 1960 16.3 1 degree cooler
    1961 to 1990 16.9 .4 c cooler
    1981 to 2010 17 c .3 cooler
    These are real stats over a century, the warmest part of these figures are first 30 years, average 1.7C hotter, then right through from 1901, all 30 year averages are cooler.
    The differences in these 30 year averages are very small.
    Reason the measurements are so accurate, it is a lighthouse as it was back in history, the surrounds have not been changed by humans to any extent.
    Whilst the rest of Australia has warming according the experts, Cape Otway area is in a cocoon.
    Doing statistics over a few years with figures that have been rounded up can be misleading.
    I am convinced Cape Otway tells me this area is not changing in temperature, maybe someone will tell me why I am wrong in this assumption.
    
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    October 5, 2019 3:12pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Data collection at airports would be more sensible if jet engines and concrete surrounds did not cause local disturbances.
  
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  October 5, 2019 10:47am
  - marcw
    
    The advantage for long term comparisons is that airport temperatures are publicly available, and are immune to the usual ‘homogenisation’ bias usually applied by NIWA. I am aware of the UHI effect though, and I would expect CHCH to be somewhat affected when you look at the increase in buildings and taxiways/ramp space over the last 5 years.
    
    As an aside – try to find other NZ centre temperature records from the taxpayer funded NIWA. (Hint: They won’t publish them as it presumably will blow their bias.)
    
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    October 5, 2019 12:55pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      It is an absolute disgrace that NZers cannot get easy access to each localities’ met data.
      
      The Anomaly graphs that we are fed are hopeless as each country or institute changes the years which they use as a baseline.
      
      And using sites that need regular homogenisation/fudge-factoring to erect a National Temperature record is nuts.
      
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/116292394/got-a-feeling-winter-weather-isnt-as-wintry-as-it-used-to-be-maybe-its-true
      
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      October 5, 2019 6:18pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Some interesting comments on this post about September and October Temps in Southern Hemisphere.
  
  https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/10/04/record-antarctic-stratospheric-warming-causes-sept-2019-global-temperature-update-confusion/
  
  (p.s. don’t tell Morrissey I’ve been back to “The world’s most viewed site on global warming and climate change”)
  
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  October 5, 2019 11:12am
  - stephieboy
    
    The world’s most viewed site on global warming and climate change”) ??
    
    And the demographic and political views of those alleged hits?
    
    BTW you might be interested in the fact the former Mayor of Gisborne’s a great supporter of the new refugee’s non-discriminatory policies
    
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    October 5, 2019 11:16am
    - DigNap15
      
      No I am disgusted in that fact
      He should be sacked on Monday.
      
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      October 5, 2019 2:54pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Three Time Winner of the Worlds Best Science weblog
    
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    October 5, 2019 11:55am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    (I go there daily too.)
    
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    October 5, 2019 12:07pm
- Steve Todd
  
  “September Update for Our Little Lady of the Apocalypse, St Greta[.]”
  
  Okay, pedantry time again.
  
  About 48% of Swedes belong to the Church of Sweden, a Lutheran, i.e., Protestant, church. And, only 0.4% are Roman Catholics. [2017 Poll; see Wikipedia.]
  
  Consequently, referring to Greta Thunberg as ‘St Greta’ is ridiculous. It is almost 100% certain that she is not, has no desire to be, nor will ever be, an adherent of that foul institution, the Roman Catholic church. Personally, I doubt she or her family are even religious. Indeed, one would certainly hope they’re not.
  
  So please, KBers, drop the ‘St Greta’. It is entirely inappropriate.
  
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  October 5, 2019 11:12am
  - stephieboy
    
    narew, not for the first time that has been posted
    
    Source please?
    
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    October 5, 2019 11:30am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    According to The Church of Sweden in Malmo, Greta Thunberg is the Successor to Jesus Christ.
    https://www.christianpost.com/news/church-in-sweden-names-greta-thunberg-successor-to-jesus-christ.html
    
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    October 5, 2019 11:43am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      The latest is, that it was a pastor in a parish church in Limhamn, a suburb of Malmo.
      Every Church has its rogue members. Lutherans as a whole do not believe in Jesus Christ appointing successors. The Christian Godhead is complete in the Trinity: the Father, Jesus the Son and the Holy Spirit.
      
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      October 5, 2019 12:17pm
      - Tony Stuart
        
        Jesus warned of false prophets on a number of occasions, including in Matthew 24:
        
        23-25 “If anyone tries to flag you down, calling out, ‘Here’s the Messiah!’ or points, ‘There he is!’ don’t fall for it. Fake Messiahs and lying preachers are going to pop up everywhere. Their impressive credentials and dazzling performances will pull the wool over the eyes of even those who ought to know better. But I’ve given you fair warning.
        
        The Message
        
        Whether he was referring to Greta Thunberg, I’m not quite sure. However he could easily have been!
        
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        October 5, 2019 3:47pm
    - Steve Todd
      
      Oh, dear. Religionism, eh? Don’t you just love it? *Not*!
      
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      October 5, 2019 12:38pm
    - sooty
      
      How is Cindy going to keep up with that?
      
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      October 5, 2019 12:52pm
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      With apologies to the late Gerry and Sylvia Anderson:
      
      “Thunbergs Are Go”
      
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      October 5, 2019 4:17pm
      - MH
        
        F.A.B.
        
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        October 5, 2019 5:54pm
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Todd: it’s a metaphor. Climate Panic is the new religion that all must obey. Stuff doesn’t even allow comments if they don’t bow to the new religion.
    
    So calling her ‘St. Greta’ is entirely appropriate.
    
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    October 5, 2019 12:15pm
    - Steve Todd
      
      “[Steve] Todd: it’s a metaphor.”
      
      I fully appreciated that, CL. That’s why I said, “Okay, pedantry time again.”
      
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      October 5, 2019 1:12pm
  - kowtow
    
    I’ve just googled and found that Lutherans , a heretical branch of the Roman Catholic church , do indeed have saints.
    
    St Greta , or more correctly , Our Little Lady of the Apocalypse , is very apt , very funny and perfectly satirically sends her and her quasi religious Gaiaists up for being the dunder heads they are.
    
    Now for your penance repeat ” Our Lady of the Apocalypse , Saint Greta , pray for the planet ” one hundred times………
    
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    October 5, 2019 12:25pm
    - Steve Todd
      
      Please name (all / some of?) the people, since, oh, I dunno, say, the first half of the sixteenth century, that the Church of Sweden has sanctified?
      
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      October 5, 2019 1:25pm
    - Steve Todd
      
      “St Greta , or more correctly , Our Little Lady of the Apocalypse, [… is very funny …].”
      
      Fair enough. I am happy to concede that it is at least mildly amusing.
      
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      October 5, 2019 2:14pm
Hugh Pavletich

… HONG KONG …

Hong Kong’s Property Tycoons Face a Political Typhoon … Mike Bird … Wall Street Journal
… google search title if blocked …

https://www.wsj.com/articles/hong-kongs-property-tycoons-face-a-political-typhoon-11570182165

Hong Kong’s real-estate developers are being boxed into a corner by the city’s incendiary politics. Whatever way the protests end, the lucrative sector is emerging as a likely loser.

Hong Kong’s economy is being hammered by violent clashes between protesters and police on the city’s streets. Chronic problems with housing affordability, pegged by Beijing as a convenient cause of the distress, make developers an easy target.

The Hong Kong purchasing manager’s index, compiled by IHS Markit , came in at 41.5 for September, barely above the 40.8 recorded for August. Any figure below 50 indicates that activity is contracting, and a fourth-quarter average figure of 42 would be consistent with a 3% drop in output. That is in line with data earlier this week that showed plunging retail sales in August, down 23% year on year, the worst reading on record.

None of that is good news for a city with by far the most expensive housing market in the world. The average home in Hong Kong costs more than 20 times the median income, five times the U.S. average, according to the Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey. … read more via hyperlink above …
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Violent protests erupt as Hong Kong sets to ban masks … Television New Zealand

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/world/violent-protests-erupt-hong-kong-sets-ban-masks
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… Earlier report …

Hong Kong property tycoons in Beijing’s crosshairs … Asia Times

https://www.asiatimes.com/2019/09/article/hong-kong-property-tycoons-in-beijings-crosshairs/
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October 5, 2019 9:54am
- JibberJabber
  
  And still, no one visits little Hugh Linkwhores lonely blog…
  
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  October 5, 2019 10:43am
- kowtow
  
  Sadly the demented black shirted anarchists will ironically destroy the relative freedom and prosperity they currently enjoy and claim to protect . They are acting in exactly the same way as Red Guards , taking the law into their own hands and violently attacking all they perceive as enemies.
  
  Last night they attacked another police officer with petrol bombs that resulted in another shooting.
  
  Be careful what you wish for.
  
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  October 5, 2019 10:57am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    … CHINA … HONG KONG …
    
    There is no shortage of ideas to boost land for affordable homes in Hong Kong. But do Carrie Lam and Beijing have the political will to overhaul the system? … South China Morning Post
    
    https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/hong-kong-economy/article/3030560/there-shortage-ideas-boost-land-affordable-homes
    
    • In a new series delving beyond the social unrest in Hong Kong to survey the city’s deep-rooted problems, the Post is focusing on the role of housing in causing great disaffection in society
    
    • In this third instalment, we look at the high land price system that has contributed to today’s problem of unaffordable housing and the array of solutions available to the government if a complete overhaul is a bridge too far … read more via hyperlink above …
    
    Chart …Major Markets ( in excess of 1m population) …
    https://cdn.i-scmp.com/sites/default/files/d8/images/methode/2019/09/27/e74f976e-e033-11e9-94c8-f27aa1da2f45_image_hires_180848.jpg
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    The poorly understood economic and social costs and risks of excessive price / income multiple stretch …
    
    … What are the competitive advantages of normal and affordable housing markets ? …
    
    Shenzhen property costs more than HK: report … Asia Times
    
    https://www.asiatimes.com/2019/09/article/shenzhen-property-costs-more-than-hk-report/
    
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    October 5, 2019 12:30pm
  - DigNap15
    
    Yes if they keep on with the peaceful protests it could be alright.
    If they get agressive and destructive there will be a backlash from the other Kong Kong People and the Chinese military
    
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    October 5, 2019 2:53pm
    - kowtow
      
      There’s no “if” about it , they have gone full feral. Any pretense is gone . Plenty of evidence on the web.
      
      Our media report very little of what’s really happening. There was an attck on a Chinese businessman in Central yesterday , it was started and amplified by members of the media , including a white one. Very disturbing agent provocateur stuff.
      
      C#nts.
      
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      October 5, 2019 4:09pm
chaos

Seems that all the shit is coming out when it is already too late for some who would of already voted

Today’s nasty person in council election

* Tauranga City Council candidate David Grindley admits assaulting 75-year-old woman*

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12273714
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October 5, 2019 10:14am
Maggie Pie

It looks like Golriz might be trying to steal the PM’s thunder – and let me tell you
Jacinda is pretty pissed about it as well !

https://twitter.com/JacindaArdern_0/status/1179909937104687104
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October 5, 2019 10:16am
- stephieboy
  
  Maggie Pie, the biggest yawn of the week!
  
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  October 5, 2019 11:33am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Sounds like what those nubile young Muslims said when you unbuttoned your raincoat in St Lukes Mall.
    
    LOL!!!!!!!!
    
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    October 5, 2019 1:31pm
    - alloytoo
      
      A downtick by accident. You have my deep appreciation for that comment
      
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      October 5, 2019 3:48pm
    - kowtow
      
      He flashes and says ‘ Hey hey ,what do you think of that ?’
      
      The wimmin reply ” Looks like a penis , only smaller”
      
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      October 5, 2019 4:37pm
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Yes stephie, you are!
    
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    October 5, 2019 3:48pm
- Shut the hell up you Fascist!
  
  I see that this Aryan is thanking our ‘journalists’.
  
  The pretence is over.
  
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  October 5, 2019 11:41am
- chaos
  
  https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D_v5v2aWkAEB62v.jpg
  
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  October 5, 2019 11:43am
- John Warren
  
  More of a whimper than a bang, this thunder that the Persian show pony is trying to steal.
  
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  October 5, 2019 12:14pm
Northshore

It seems that the Catholic Church has belatedly learned some valuable lessons on how to handle a sexually related complaint. The young woman who was the recipient of sexual advances from Bishop Drennan submitted a complaint, which was dealt with in a timely manner and investigated independently. Drennan was stood down during the investigation. He (to his credit) co-operated in the investigation, offered his resignation which was swiftly accepted. No cover-up, no “old boys” network in play. He was a talented bishop going places in the Church, yet that did not make a difference.
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October 5, 2019 10:23am
- Jack5
  
  It’s time Catholic priests were allowed to marry, or have partners.
  
  A non-believer, I see the need for Christianity as a cultural and moral force in Western life.
  
  It look as though humans evolved to need some sort of supernatural prop, and the decline of Christian belief in the West has made way for climate-change fanaticism and other Green voodoo-ism.
  
  Please look at Maggie W’s 11.43 post above.
  
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  October 5, 2019 11:57am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Reminds me of that old joke about a priest and a rabbi having lunch.
    The priest mentions that in the Catholic Church, the brightest young men devote their lives to the faith and remain celebate.
    The rabbi comments that in his faith, they find good wives for the brightest young men, to bear them large families.
    
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    October 5, 2019 4:20pm
- MrTips
  
  Oh its learnt all right.
  Consider this:
  1. Cdl. Dew is in Stuff saying “I knew about a second [previous] complaint against Drennan. The adult woman didn’t want it go to any further or for me to talk to anyone else, even our professional stds committee.”
  2. Apparently a new protocol came out in June which required him to report to Rome about it. This is not accurate. He doesn’t have to report anything. That’s the job of the NUNCIO.
  3. But Dew reported it, and he doesn’t say he got permission from the second complainant to do so. So he broke her confidence?
  4. And now he talks about it in the media? Did he break her confidence again?
  
  So, Dew knew about Drennan some time ago. What did he do? Not a lot it seems. Because he could always have reported it to the Nuncio and Rome would have dealt with it ages ago.
  
  Dew does not come off well at all despite his eagerness to shaft Drennan [Drennan has rightly resigned, but he is not a LGBT loving pantheist like Dew].
  
  I smell freshly served utu.
  
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  October 5, 2019 12:06pm
Paul Marsden

Watch Hong Kong now quickly spiral down into a blood bath from which there will be no return. Very sad and very, very scary.
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October 5, 2019 10:34am
Wired-one

https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/116218887/call-for-free-childcare-as-parents-feel-the-squeeze

This is bloody ridiculous. The way this country is going, there will be an entitlement for wiping your arse soon.
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October 5, 2019 10:49am
- Swifty
  
  Notice the phrase ‘taxpayer-funded’ is never used – it’s always just ‘free’.
  
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  October 5, 2019 11:33am
- Gravelroad
  
  If you can’t afford the time, money, effort, set backs, worry, child care provision, transport, clothing, food, health costs etc – and having a child impacts unfavourably on your work/social/personal time – maybe don’t have another child.
  Saw a TV news item the other day of a second hand shop practically giving stuff away to the needy (in Taranaki I think). One of the women lining up to get free stuff had 10 children. Moaned about how difficult it all was.
  I bet she’ll be able to pay the National Party’s alleged fines when some of those 10 leave school early with no qualifications……….
  
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  October 5, 2019 12:12pm
- Jules99
  
  The commenters seem to agree with you.
  
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  October 5, 2019 12:49pm
- srylands
  
  She probably expects a free EV to go with it. ?
  
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  October 5, 2019 12:50pm
- sooty
  
  No. That’s job the bennies could do for recieving their handout!
  
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  October 5, 2019 12:55pm
- Paginus
  
  They want women in work, away from their children. So the state can indoctrinate as early as possible.
  
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  October 5, 2019 1:46pm
- DigNap15
  
  I agree that she should pay for her own children.
  But it is a disincentive for women to get jobs.
  But then again why is child care so dear?
  Probably due to all the red tape and educational training their staff need. University degrees etc.
  
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  October 5, 2019 3:07pm
Northshore

I have a treasured copy of J C Beaglehole’s definitive biography of Captain James Cook, which was first published in 1974 and which I re-read every 7 years or so. The British Admiralty laid out strict guidelines and protocols for the interraction of Naval Officers with indigenous people found in places such as the Pacific. Captain Cook was liable for his actions and decisions. He always landed with a party of armed marines and they only fired their weapons against the locals as defensive measures and as a last resort. Revisionists of NZ history really need to read something authoritative, such as Beaglehole, before they paint Cook unfairly as trigger happy.
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October 5, 2019 10:51am
- Swifty
  
  Yep.
  
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  October 5, 2019 11:32am
- Jack5
  
  It’s not really about Cook, Northshore.
  
  Listen to them or read them, and soon the word “colonisation” comes up.
  
  The anti-Cook propaganda is part of the indigenous-nationalism that Leftists are promoting around the world.
  
  In New Zealand the anti-Cook, anti-Westernisation move of Maori extremists and Leftist revisionists is being fanned by our current media.
  
  This is made up of Leftist, State-controlled TV and radio; the rest, which comprises two print-dominated media groups (with some radio and TV) that have turned Left in panic. They are seeing their print paid circulations dive and, as a result, remaining printing asset values plunge.
  
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  October 5, 2019 11:45am
- namron
  
  Even more “authoritative” than Beaglehole’s book are the actual diary accounts of the events by Cook and also Banks. [can be found online]
  The news media should have printed these which explain the what, where, how and why of these events rather than rely on the unreliable “oral history” versions handed down word of mouth for 250 years -[“Chinese whispers” style!]
  Also, nowhere have I seen any researched explanation of the beliefs, habits, and customs of Maori at that time.
  Maori still had a stone-age, animistic lifestyle with frequent warring between tribes. They had no idea that anyone like Cook existed.
  Even the fuss today in Gisborne about the Maori migration boats which came about 4000 kms from Tahiti seem to rate far more highly than Cook’s 3 trans-global voyages, each of over 40 000 kms.
  
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  October 5, 2019 12:18pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Surely each trigger pull must be worth $100,000,000 now? As the tribes are all disparate entities Maori who have “dropped out” can get their share too with a bit of organised scheming.
  
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  October 5, 2019 12:27pm
- srylands
  
  Yes I agree. He was not trigger happy. And he frequently refused to use violence even when urged to do so by his officers.
  
  Unfortunately he became somewhat unhinged towards the end which contributed to his reckless behavior in Hawaii that got him killed and eaten. One theory is that he was suffering from parasitic worms in his stomach. He had symptoms that were consistent but it is unknowable.
  
  A truly great navigator and mariner.
  
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  October 5, 2019 12:55pm
  - sooty
    
    If they landed at Gizzy, they were bloody lucky!
    
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    October 5, 2019 3:42pm
    - Jack5
      
      The Tuia 250 canoes arrived at Gisborne today. They couldn’t land on the foreshore because of the wind, so berthed at the Gisborne inner habour instead.
      
      The canoes are two Maori double-hull canoes, Haunui and Ngahiraka Mai Tawhiti, and Tipaerua, a Tahitian ocean-going outrigger canoe — a va’a moana.
      
      The Gisborne newspaper reports Jacinderella as saying the canoes’ arrival was an incredibly important day for Aotearoa (sic).
      
      The canoes will be part of a flotilla that will tour New Zealand ports until December.
      
      With the canoes will be the Cook’s Endeavour replica from the Australian National Maritime Museum in Sydney, the Spirit of New Zealand from Auckland, and the R. Tucker Thompson from the Bay of Islands.
      
      The Spirit of NZ is a three-masted barquentine, built in 1986, and used for training young people. The R. Tucker Thompson is a a traditional gaff-rigged schooner.
      
      Not sure when the Endeavour arrived, or will arrive, at Gisborne. It sailed from Tauranga on Thursday with a crew of 19 professionals and 27 amateurs.
      
      Would anyone dared to have suggested that Britain be invited to supply current Royal marines (now mainly commandos) to re-enact the initial landing by their namesakes. Wouldn’t a request like that have sent into a tizzy the lachrymose British High Commissioner in Wellington.
      
      http://gisborneherald.co.nz/localnews/4318801-135/emotional-pohiri-marks-the-start-of
      
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      October 5, 2019 5:54pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        The Endeavour is due in on Tues 8th….
        perhaps arriving at 8am…
        
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        October 5, 2019 7:44pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        Jack! Sometimes you can be terrible.
        
        Lachrymose? Lachrymose? In my humble, Laura Clarke has conducted herself entirely properly. No (as you imply) fake tears; just a respectful carrying-out of her official duties, which, I suspect, she was personally delighted to do.
        
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        October 5, 2019 8:03pm
Morrissey

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American Idiots
No. 3: Science Deniers

wingnuts n., people who hold extreme, and often irrational, political views, primarily those considered to be right wing; professional partisans, unhinged activists, paranoid conspiracy theorists; nut cases, cranks, weirdos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQ7eh6z4tow

American Idiots is researched and presented by Tiggy Ponsford, for Daisycutter Sports Inc. “Don’t wanna be an American idiot.”—Green Day
No. 1: Stephen Martin
No. 2: Brock Long
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October 5, 2019 10:53am
- Swifty
  
  Like the Greens on GM and nuclear you mean?
  
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  October 5, 2019 11:31am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Daisycutter Sports Inc. is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Breen Enterprises Ltd., purveyors of fuckwittery to the world.
  
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  October 5, 2019 12:09pm
  - sooty
    
    NZ’s leading wing nut is morrisy!
    
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    October 5, 2019 12:57pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Science requires its Bother Boys and Women, people who scratch away till they uncover the truth–failure is just an excuse for a coffee break and to get on to the next experiment. Nothing is settled in science, somebody is always picking away, trying to get through the prison tunnels of knowledge.
  
  If you want to see real science in ferment have a look at present sub-atomic physics and the disputed views about the nature of matter. One current serious view, based on experiments, has elements being produced out of what we would call light.
  
  You can scoff about those who have contrary opinions but shortly you will be able to join a whole army of robots where mindlessness is bliss.
  
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  October 5, 2019 12:40pm
Doubledimp

I just received a Labour Promo today for how wonderful they are progressing etc. So far, so blah. But the thing that really concerns me is that it was addressed to both myself and my partner (I am living in her house, her name only on the property). So how did they come to the conclusion we were a couple? OK our names are obvious male and female, we are registered on the electoral roll at this address, but even that is not a conclusive proof of a relationship. Could I make some formal request to find out how they got our details, to see if they are farming information from places they shouldn’t?
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October 5, 2019 11:06am
Swifty

I’ve noticed recently the widespread and heavy use by the left of the word ‘justice’ in their campaign labels.

An obvious con, of course, because of the implicit suggestion that any non-supporter is content with ‘injustice’.

I’ve looked to close to ten such ‘movements’ this week and without exception have a large and openly stated anti-capitalist and anti-freedom and liberty streaks. All call for greater government regulation and control of human affairs and more and more raids on taxpayers.

I’m over it. Now, whenever I see calls for ‘justice’ I see termites gnawing away at our hard-won freedoms.

Barring a major correction, I see NZ 30-50 years hence a socialist shithole and everyone wondering what the fuck just happened.
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October 5, 2019 11:25am
WaveyDavey

Continuing a theme:

Why National aren’t going to be the next government.

2017 GE figures
Nats: 44%
Lab: 37%
NZF: 7%
Green: 6%

Yesterday there was a piece about 45% of NZF voters preferring that their party went with National as opposed to the 35% that wanted and got Labour.

So even if NZF Nat-preferring supporters switch to National that equates to a 3% addition to National’s numbers or 47%. Even factoring ACT’s sole MP that’s not going to get there.

Winning the battle for the remaining 20% of NZF voters would only add another 1.5% so we’re at 48.5%.

Now factor in the weed-smoking dolescum that ordinarily don’t turn out, and who thanks to the cannabis referendum will next time, and you have a real problem because most of their votes will go to the party offering free stuff – Greens & Labour.

All the stuff that gets us excited doesn’t even register on the interest-scale of the GNZP.

As I continue to say, Labour have 2020 sewn up it’s just whether they’ll need anyone else.
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October 5, 2019 11:49am
- emmess
  
  That’s a rather poor analysis
  All it takes is for NZ First to fall under the threshold, which is almost a given at this stage.
  That way the NZ First and other parties’ wasted votes will be 5-8% (depending on what parties are running) , let’s say 6%. Then just over 47% is required to win.
  If the Green Party fails to make the threshold, which I would say is 50/50 at this stage then as low as 44% could be enough for a single party majority
  
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  October 5, 2019 1:21pm
  - WaveyDavey
    
    You don’t think a gifted seat was in the memorandum of understanding?
    
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    October 5, 2019 3:06pm
    - emmess
      
      They have to win it first
      
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      October 5, 2019 8:19pm
  - DigNap15
    
    Yes its conceivable that NZF and the Greens could both go under 5%.
    Then it would be Labour v National.
    And National will bolt in.
    Even with cannabis and supermarket pyjama bribery.
    
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    October 5, 2019 3:11pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  You seem to have forgotten that Labour have pissed off so many people (and will piss off more before the election) that they will be lucky to get 30%.
  When the electorate wakes up to the fact that Cindy is just a useless airhead they could well be back to the Angry Andy days of 24%.
  
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  October 5, 2019 1:56pm
  - WaveyDavey
    
    Captain, this is the kind of complacent thinking that will lead to poor opposition strategies in the run up to the election.
    
    Their voters aren’t pissed-off, love JA and they don’t care about the things that exercise KW commenters.
    
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    October 5, 2019 2:57pm
- MCos
  
  From what I’ve read it’s the old people that have taken advantage where marijuana laws have been liberalised.
  
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  October 5, 2019 2:17pm
  - fernglas
    
    Too right. Bring on the dancing girls. WGAF about schizophrenia. I just want to listen to Stairway to Heaven and watch re-runs of Get Smart.
    
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    October 5, 2019 7:20pm
- slightlyrighty
  
  Lets assume that the 45% of NZF had voted National. What would the government have looked like…
  
  Nats. 47.6%
  Lab 36.9%
  Greens 6.3%
  NZF 3.96%
  Act. 0.5%
  OTHER 4.6%
  
  Labour plus Greens 43.2
  National plus ACT 48.1
  
  However, now 8.5 % of the vote is wasted. National and act now have 52.6 of the votes that count, or 63 seats in a 120 seat parliament, and a 6 seat majority.
  
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  October 5, 2019 2:33pm
  - WaveyDavey
    
    Fair point, but look at the polling top right – Labour is polling 43% and the Green 5.5%
    
    Even using your Nat + Act %age they have more
    
    And to wrap it up in one post:
    
    Mcos, old people are already voting it’s young people that Labour have targeted here. It’s a bloody good political strategy too. If Nats come out against, as most of their voters are likely to want them to, they’ll just drive the new voters to Labour & Green.
    
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    October 5, 2019 2:54pm
    - slightlyrighty
      
      The poll that counts is the one at the ballot box. Historically, the Greens always poll higher than the actual vote they get, and at 5.5%, they do not have a lot of headroom..
      
      3 days before the last election, Colmar Brunton had the Greens on 8%. They polled 6.3
      
      The same poll had the Greens at 12% before the 2014 election, they polled 10.7%
      
      The greens were polling at 13s and 14% in 2011, they got 10.7%
      
      Polling at 9% in ’08, got 6.72.
      
      If the Greens are polling at 5.5%, they should be shitting bricks now.
      
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      October 5, 2019 3:11pm
      - DigNap15
        
        And hopefully that new Green party migth take a few votes off the Green.
        
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        October 5, 2019 5:49pm
  - DigNap15
    
    Thanks for that.
    But Its obvious that I and many others (?) need a crash course of how this wasted vote works
    And also what is the overhang.
    
    In two simple sentences.
    
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    October 5, 2019 3:14pm
- Raniera
  
  Dropping another bomb before you piss off for good, eh WaveyDavey?
  
  When you return from your exploratory trip to the Med next summer (hopefully to pack up, and just get the fuck out of here), please let us know. I will wave you [see what I did there?] a “fond” farewell.
  
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  October 5, 2019 2:45pm
  - WaveyDavey
    
    Yeah I see you’re the usual insular parochial kiwi aresehole which for the most part are dying out thank christ.
    
    When we do go, good luck with the hole that you and your ilk are turning NZ into – you’ll need it because you sure as hell can’t afford to pay for it.
    
    Oh and just to piss you off further, I’ll be getting the NZ pension to spend overseas having a good time (at least I’ll be getting back some of the money I’ve given to subsidise the feckless wasters in this country).
    
    Where are you going to be? Some backwater hick town in the middle of nowhere no doubt eking out a miserable life-sapping existence on your way to the grave.
    
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    October 5, 2019 3:00pm
    - Raniera
      
      Don’t you worry about me, arsehole. I’m fine, and will continue to be so. [You don’t remember why I’m so anti you, do you? Go back to last December, you – self-moderated.]
      
      If you qualify to receive a (part-NZ) pension (here, or elsewhere), that’s perfectly okay with me. Why should that piss me off? Heaps of Poms receive the UK pension here, and vice versa. It’s just governments agreeing to treat each other’s citizens fairly and reasonably. The fact that you think you’re going to “get one over us” says a shit-load more about you, than us.
      
      You never understood us Kiwis at all (let alone like us, or our country), did you, arsehole?
      
      Just go, and please be quick about it. (And don’t forget. Let us know when you’re actually fucking off out of here for good. That’s important.)
      
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      October 5, 2019 4:06pm
Swifty

Abstinence for thee but not for meeeeeeeeeeee!!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/116348755/disgraced-palmerston-north-bishop-charles-drennan-subject-of-earlier-complaint
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October 5, 2019 12:05pm
MrTips

Sometimes I despair about the marketing folk at my employer. Expat-NZer gets PhD in America, gets American grant, for work done in America, with no input from Otago.

Doesn’t stop Otago claiming it!
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October 5, 2019 12:24pm
srylands

This is so predictable. The Government of Equatorial Guinea has a truly beautiful Boeing 777-200LR. The paint job is incredible.

https://youtu.be/f215_hf14rI
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October 5, 2019 12:36pm
- Swifty
  
  Easily one of the most corrupt dictatorships on earth.
  
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  October 5, 2019 1:18pm
  - sooty
    
    You mean even worse than our one!
    I find that hard to understand.
    
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    October 5, 2019 3:36pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Correct. They just cashed up about $50 million worth of fancy cars that the President’s son had spent the Govt. coffers on.
    
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    October 5, 2019 3:55pm
pb

Clint is getting better with age. His latest is a direct assault on Fake News, False Flags, globalists, and the deep state. Must be good to be bigger than the perv’s who run hollywood:

https://youtu.be/gSMxBLlA8qY
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October 5, 2019 3:00pm
- DigNap15
  
  Tonite I think I’ll watch a spaghetti western and Dirty Harry
  
  By the way he also directed Jersey Boys
  
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  October 5, 2019 3:26pm
- Inandout
  
  pb, little by little actors are beginning to speak up and of course endure the wrath of De niro and talk show hosts. Gutfeld seems to attract some of these.
  
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  October 5, 2019 5:11pm
DigNap15

Here my take on the major items that will bite Labour and the Greens next year

Maori Land claims – Imumaho
Cancelling Major roads and car tax
Anti farming laws
Anti gun laws
Dumbign down the education cirriuculam

Add to this
Broken promises

Kiwibuild – admitted it
Light rail in Auckland – postponed for ever
Homelessness has gone up
Child abuse is still occurring

Add to this
Sex Scandals – we don’t know who they are yet
Electricity scheme will affect poorer people.
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October 5, 2019 3:21pm
- chaos
  
  That electricity one is a major cock up. It will see the cost of living go up.
  
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  October 5, 2019 3:58pm
- Michael
  
  i really hope so for nz sake.
  
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  October 5, 2019 4:45pm
Jack5

An American web host has been cyber-stalked from New Zealand for eight years.

It’s hard to crack down on international net stalking. In this case, it would help if the NZ courts released the name of the New Zealand stalker.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/saturday/audio/2018716359/author-melissa-anelli-cyberstalked-by-new-zealander
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October 5, 2019 5:12pm
- Swifty
  
  Very easily searchable, and on NZ news sites – but FYI I note that the person is deeply unwell.
  
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  October 5, 2019 6:43pm
igm

This is the same media that kowtow to Labour/Greens and Islam. yet kick our No. 1 sports achievers in the guts at every opportunity.
May their advertisers continue to desert them in droves . . . their existence is tenuous to say the least.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/rugby-world-cup/rwc-2019-japan/116347733/world-anger-as-all-blacks-captain-kieran-read-in-clear-after-no-arms-tackle
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October 5, 2019 5:55pm
chaos

Lol, woman refuses sparks help and decides instead she wants all the rugby on free to air. Just stop being stupid and accept sparks help

* Unhappy rugby fans threaten to sue Spark for $250 million*

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12273914
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October 5, 2019 6:40pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Another murder in W(h)anganui…
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12273911

27th since 2004.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/112052656/red-tape-town-whanganui-wrestles-with-its-reputation-in-wake-of-six-homicides
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October 5, 2019 7:59pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggy, they say the Wanganui river glistens. I say that reporter should go to Specsavers; it is dirty brown.
  
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  October 5, 2019 9:22pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Oh no… the Rhine of Maoriland has turned brown…
    http://thenewzealandjournal.blogspot.com/2010/02/whanganui-river-rhine-of-maoriland.html
    
    (I’ve never seen it otherwise)
    
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    October 5, 2019 10:27pm
Swifty

Wow!

Is this presidential candidate unhinged?:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g15x5p2JeH8
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