General Debate 4 October 2019

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Maggie Pie

I really really think Ryan Bridge is sooo much better to watch and listen to
than Dunvan Garner.

Just saying…
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October 4, 2019 8:02am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Low bar.
  
  Which way is the wind blowing Garner.
  
  Useless commentator ‘that’s what I think’
  
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  October 4, 2019 8:20am
- Tricati
  
  Totally agree – And he is not afraid to ask the searching questions which is very rare these days.
  
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  October 4, 2019 8:33am
  - sooty
    
    Really. You must be talking about another Duncan Garner!
    
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    October 4, 2019 9:58am
  - DigNap15
    
    And he keeps asking.. And he always comes across as one who has done the research.
    
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    October 4, 2019 10:48am
- rouppe
  
  And Nicky Styrus and Carly Flynn are a much more pleasant combination than Mark Richardson and Amanda Gillies.
  
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  October 4, 2019 8:55am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    I do not see Amanda Gillies as particularly clever or insightful with her comments and, has the same unfortunate smile as Kiernan Read when speaking, totally off putting
    
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    October 4, 2019 9:05am
- infused
  
  He’s good. Used to be quite left leaning, but now he’s pretty center. Roasts both sides. Very refreshing.
  
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  October 4, 2019 9:01am
  - DigNap15
    
    No I’d say that he is more right leaning now!
    
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    October 4, 2019 10:49am
  - OTGO
    
    I noticed that too. Perhaps he’s transitioning from left to right. Its quite common as you get older…
    
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    October 4, 2019 10:51am
- Inandout
  
  MP, Takana Garner, or Ryan (no translation) Bridge? Aotearoa won’t really notice the difference.
  
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  October 4, 2019 9:14am
- OTGO
  
  Lose the man bun. Have a shave.
  
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  October 4, 2019 10:49am
- Michael
  
  Maggie
  I thought this morning’s AM was good, I very rarely watch it, but this crew were better than the front row…..
  
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  October 4, 2019 1:17pm
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Duncan Garner is a Labour list candidate.
  
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  October 4, 2019 5:49pm
harvey wilson

When is this obsessive grubby little man going to let this woman finally move on with her life? There’s a page where you can donate to her legal costs

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/116313145/colin-craig-to-appeal-rachel-macgregor-sexual-harassment-high-court-ruling?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitterThe
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October 4, 2019 8:06am
- sooty
  
  Colin Craig would be a better fit in Labour!
  
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  October 4, 2019 8:19am
  - Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes
    
    small hands ?
    
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    October 4, 2019 9:54am
- emmess
  
  Yeah, I am sure the media. I won’t be talking about the sexual assualt in Jacinda’s office in five years time.
  Apart from the podcast clips from Mike Hosking, I don’t regularly consume any NZ MSM. Are they still talking about it now?
  
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  October 4, 2019 8:25am
- Yvette
  
  At the time of the ruling, MacGregor welcomed Justice Hinton’s findings and said she hoped Craig would finally stop litigation against her.
  She said she had been “shackled” by the ongoing court action by Craig, which had seen her called as a witness in several of his defamation trials, and wanted the “ordeal to finally be over”.
  “It’s turned into a new form of harassment that has lasted longer and been more painful than I could have ever imagined,” she said
  
  The court is still considering what damages and costs, if any, will be awarded.
  
  I hope, of course, that the court bears in mind Ms MacGregor’s remarks and Craig’s stated intention to appeal – that is: to do it all again – in determining damages and costs.
  
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  October 4, 2019 9:07am
  - sooty
    
    Hit him in the back pocket and make his eyes water!
    
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    October 4, 2019 10:00am
  - rockape
    
    I hope sahe gets plenty of compensation and has the sense to take it and leave for Aus or the UK.
    
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    October 4, 2019 4:01pm
- record guy
  
  Donating is one thing , but that means she has to go to court again – sign and pass this around so he gets banned from his sex obsessed appeals.
  
  https://www.change.org/p/high-court-declare-colin-craig-a-vexatious-litigant-ban-him-from-the-courts?recruiter=73338113&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=share_petition&recruited_by_id=4d7cd870-c9cb-4e93-8c13-0994b965e81f&utm_content=starter_fb_share_content_en-au%3Av2&fbclid=IwAR3222hmnV5T8yD7h166gXlcsFloivw1t1HTe99fsJwpvhmLpi4ohBYl5PM
  
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  October 4, 2019 10:14am
- GoVege
  
  And he wonders why he didn’t get elected….
  
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  October 4, 2019 10:24am
- Bobba Fret
  
  I know Colin Craig is wealthy and can afford to keep appealing forever, but when is a judge / court going to say to him “you have exhausted all your legal avenues, you have no grounds to appeal you would simply be wasting court time……now go away you horrible little man”.
  
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  October 4, 2019 1:02pm
  - MH
    
    see links – legal beagle to right-
    
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    October 4, 2019 2:44pm
Scott

On the front page of the Dominion Post this morning is an article about a student at Victoria University who died last year in his flat and it was three days before his body was discovered. That follows the terrible situation in another university recently where a student died and it was almost 8 weeks before his body was discovered.
And the question being asked is what is the level of pastoral care that is being given to the students?

Certainly for myself when I was at Massey University as a first-year student many years ago there was no pastoral care. You are in a hostel with maybe 100 or so other students. There was a hostel supervisor who had no idea who all the students were and who you hardly ever saw and whose sole duty appeared to be fining students who made too much noise. So essentially we were left to our own devices.

Both of my sons have gone to university recently and both of them went to the Baptist hostels, in Wellington and in Palmerston North. These hostels provided a family atmosphere where you had a married couple looking after around 35 students. There were community activities and expectations and pastoral care actually took place.

I think this is a model that other hostels need to look into? Smaller hostels with mature people who actually promote community and community expectations and provide pastoral care. Certainly something needs to be done to better look after these young students who often have left home for the first time.
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October 4, 2019 8:07am
- slightlyrighty
  
  I feel that social media is disconnecting people at a fundamental social level.
  
  There is a lot to be said for the social aspect of campus life, but one wonders how the uni experience of the 80’s compares to the life today.
  
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  October 4, 2019 8:15am
- MCos
  
  I can possibly understand someone’s presence not being noticed for a few days. There’s all sorts of reasons that could happen.
  However.
  Eight weeks unnoticed is just pitiful.
  That speaks of no close friends, family, colleagues – normal acquaintances of any kind.
  
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  October 4, 2019 8:22am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Since all students have smartphones, set up a system that detects when a male student has not gone online for more than 48 hours. For the case of female students, 12 hours.
    That ought to be enough to alert administration that something is not right.
    
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    October 4, 2019 9:44am
    - kowtow
      
      Tanoy.
      
      “Achtung , achtung, all ze inmates report to ze barracks square for mornink parade”
      
      That would ensure noone went un noticed , with Church parade on Sundays ……..
      
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      October 4, 2019 10:28am
- SGA
  
  In the Wellington case, it was a man in his 30s living in a self-catered studio apartment (i.e., fairly private accommodation). I don’t find it at all strange that it may have taken a few days to notice his death (as sad as that is).
  
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  October 4, 2019 8:30am
- rjay
  
  Or we can raise capable independent young people. For goodness sake they are at least 18, able to vote, drink and go to war. Is the real question about why they need hand holding more than previous generations.
  
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  October 4, 2019 8:34am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Because, the rise of snowflakeism
    
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    October 4, 2019 9:08am
- peterwn
  
  No amount of pastoral care may help in such a situation. It is similar to reclusive people dying in social housing and not being found until much later on. Indeed excessive pastoral care would be an invasion of privacy. As it is, managements of such places may not be highly regarded by residents and residents my resent more intensive pastoral care.
  In any such situation part of the the answer could lie in technology. Card type hotel locks could be used for residents’ doors as well as for lobbies, lifts, etc. The lobby and lift card readers can be centrally monitored and management alerted if a card has not been used in say the last 12 – 24 hours (the exact records are confidential personal information and should only be accessed in exceptional cases).
  Indeed anyone living alone should set up a means where there would be assistance if they are inactive. My grandmother and a friend living across the road had a very simple arrangement. If either had not pulled the blinds up in the morning, the other would investigate. Very simple, but very effective.
  
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  October 4, 2019 8:35am
  - Paulus
    
    We do the same with our 94 year old next door neighbour.
    Open bedroom curtains ok, and we know when she is away.
    p.s. she is off to South of France for a family wedding soon.
    Business Class ? Of course she says.
    If anything happens she says it will be with style.
    What a lady.
    
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    October 4, 2019 1:33pm
    - peterwn
      
      As a lawyer once put it – if she does not fly business class, her kids will.
      
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      October 4, 2019 2:23pm
- Chris2
  
  Scott, I disagree. It is the parents who are responsible for their children, not the accommodation provider. If the young adult decides to leave home to study then it is the parents job to maintain contact with their adult child. Where were the parents for eight weeks that they had no contact with him?
  
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  October 4, 2019 8:37am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Everybody looking for someone to blame. There is no one at fault here. It’s sad, but an adult living as they choose to and dying without anyone noticing is not an issue that requires any further thought. Nanny-Staters who insist on infantalising adults can fuck off.
    
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    October 4, 2019 9:11am
    - kowtow
      
      ‘Nanny-Staters who insist on infantalising adults can fuck off.’
      
      Included in that is the MSM who hype all these things to the extent that the “authorities” then feel the need to be seen to be doing something , anything ……..
      
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      October 4, 2019 10:31am
    - GoVege
      
      He was a young person and a teenager.
      Teenage males suffer high rates of depression and suicide, probably related to their hormones.
      
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      October 4, 2019 12:23pm
  - Local Miller
    
    I have to agree with this. 3 of my 4 kids have moved into a rental, and one is married, all between 23 and 32 years old. If my wife and I don’t hear from them at least once a week we check up on them. While I’m confident they can look after themselves (most of the time) I’m aware “stuff happens” and it costs nothing for the piece of mind. A text, a message on Facebook, a quick call, little to pay to know your kids are safe.
    Where were the parents, or some one he was accountable to?
    
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    October 4, 2019 9:14am
    - Jules99
      
      I’m over 50 and my mum got in her car and drove round because I hadn’t answered my phone all day! She was worried in case I had had a fall. LOL. Back in the day when I was flatting I would certainly get a call once a week.
      
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      October 4, 2019 3:38pm
  - GoVege
    
    Chris: not all parents are up to the job (of parenting).
    Some are mentally ill, some just have no parental instincts, some are just dead.
    Some kids…even from so-called “privileged” backgrounds…have received virtually no nurturing and are damaged for life.
    
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    October 4, 2019 10:31am
- SGA
  
  These hostels provided a family atmosphere where you had a married couple looking after around 35 students.
  
  The problem, Scott, is that for hundreds (possibly thousands) of non-baptist students the last thing they want to do is replace mum and dad with a new mum and dad (as it were). Most are champing at the bit for more freedom and independence, and most are, legally speaking, adults.
  
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  October 4, 2019 8:54am
- srylands
  
  Yes I was thinking about the story. I went to a residential college (the Oxford model) when I was 17. There was absolutely no “pastoral care” and I struggled.
  
  I think that these kids who struggle would be better off taking a couple of years off and starting university at 20 after travel or work. In my experience there is a (usually) a step up in resilience between a 20 year old and a 17/18 year old.
  
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  October 4, 2019 8:57am
- rouppe
  
  I went to Bryant Hall at Waikato. You looked after yourselves.
  
  If you have some friends you’ll be missed. If you are a loner you’d be left alone. Your choice.
  
  By the way, the person in Wellington died in January. The university term hasn’t started in January. Plus he was a “mature” student.
  
  Is bad luck and personal choice. Not ideal but why does it have to be someone else’s fault?
  
  If my tenant dies in my rental is that my fault?
  
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  October 4, 2019 8:59am
  - Local Miller
    
    Well you’ll know when the rent doesn’t come in.
    
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    October 4, 2019 9:17am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      Not with automatic payment from a pensioner’s account.
      It could take weeks.
      
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      October 4, 2019 1:08pm
- Inandout
  
  Winston Peters at least was honest enough to question the nasal aspect of 8 weeks in a room alone.
  
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  October 4, 2019 9:17am
  - Greg Ettridge
    
    Alan Jones was praising Winston this morning for being a deputy Prime Minister with just a handful of advisors.
    My thought, it would be a waste of time having advisors, when there is nothing they could tell a person that knows everything.
    Mind you, Jacinda has a massive amount of advisors and she still can’t seem to separate the Wheat from the Chaff.
    
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    October 4, 2019 12:50pm
- Steve Todd
  
  Please, can we not buy in to Scott’s quite deliberate, vomit-inducing use of the expression “pastoral care”, which smacks of religionism.
  
  Can’t we just refer to “Student services and support” (as VUW does), or “Student care and support”, or similar?
  
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  October 4, 2019 9:27am
  - DILLIGAF
    
    Because, maybe they are not the same thing?
    
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    October 4, 2019 10:57am
    - Steve Todd
      
      But they *are* the same thing, under the expression “pastoral care”, implying Christian proselytising as the driving force (which I reject).
      
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      October 4, 2019 11:58am
      - Michael
        
        Steve you’ve got a bit of a todger in yer nose mate..
        Dig it out you’ll feel better.
        and so will we….
        
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        October 4, 2019 1:25pm
      - DILLIGAF
        
        So, no… they are not the same thing at all. One is a relationship and the other is bureaucracy.
        
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        October 4, 2019 2:15pm
  - SGA
    
    To be fair, it’s become more common to use the expression “pastoral care” in a non-religious sense.
    
    For example, from Uof Auck –
    “When you come to New Zealand to study as an international student, education providers have a responsibility to ensure that you are well-informed, safe and properly cared for.
    In New Zealand we call this ‘pastoral care’. You are entitled to be treated well, at all ages and at all levels of education.”
    https://www.auckland.ac.nz/en/on-campus/student-support/personal-support/international-student-support/code-of-practice.html
    
    From Vic Uni
    “Victoria’s teaching staff can provide pastoral care for students as well as academic support.”
    https://www.victoria.ac.nz/learning-teaching/partnership/student-success
    
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    October 4, 2019 11:04am
    - Steve Todd
      
      “To be fair, it’s become more common to use the expression “pastoral care” in a non-religious sense.”
      
      Fair comment, SGA (which I was aware of), but, also from the VUW link you gave: If you’re a new academic staff member, you’ll be briefly introduced to the various support services available to students during the two-day Orientation to Academic Life at Victoria programme.
      
      The expression “pastoral care” is a snappy, historically Christian expression that implies a Christian component to the care that is offered. Care and support should be available to students without such implication.
      
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      October 4, 2019 12:15pm
      - GoVege
        
        Not all Christians are very “christian”.
        In fact some are downright evil, and using the label to disguise their true natures.
        Someone I know was sent to a “Christian” hostel at 16.
        The Christian women in charge were cold, uncaring and brutal.
        She left and was soon approached by a “Christian” male, now a minister, who violently raped her.
        
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        October 4, 2019 12:31pm
      - Michael
        
        Steve, no it isn’t.
        It means to minister to the whole person in all of their life.
        Rather like the word Shalom.
        It is larger than it seems.
        
        Except for those with a todger in their nose against Christianity methinks…
        
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        October 4, 2019 1:27pm
      - DILLIGAF
        
        She left and was soon approached by a “Christian” male, now a minister, who violently raped her.
        
        Take this to the Police.
        
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        October 4, 2019 2:47pm
- Wangas Feral
  
  I seem to remember being 18 and going to university and at the end of the first term (we had terms in those days) I went home and parents saw me for the first time in four months. I suspect they assumed I would be alright and if they had not heard anything then everything was fine.
  
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  October 4, 2019 10:23am
jp_1983

Who thinks that this new power plan by the govt will be backpedaled when in fact 60% or more will pay more for their power each month.

What next – will Mitre10 and Bunnings no longer be allowed to do price matching on their product lines?
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October 4, 2019 8:19am
- artemisia
  
  There is already a backlash, and Minister Woods will take her sweet time to get around to regs to control gentailers. There’ll be a reset well before then.
  
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  October 4, 2019 8:40am
- peterwn
  
  I do agree with one aspect. If a power company offers power on more favourable terms to new customers (including one off incentives to switch), the company must proactively offer the same deal to existing customers or automatically give existing customers the same deal.
  There is a similar issue in the employment area. A new employee was paid more than an existing employee. An existing employee asked the new employee what his pay was and the new employee told him and the existing employee complained to management. The employment contracts stated that an employee’s pay rate was confidential. The ERA (I think) held that the new employer was in breach of confidence for revealing his pay and penalised the new employee for this. IMO this stinks.
  
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  October 4, 2019 8:46am
  - BobbyS
    
    There are hundreds of reasons why a new employee is paid more for doing a “similar job”
    
    The employee was in breach of revealing his pay – the agreement between Employer & Employee is confidential. The new employee signed the IEA, he agreed to the terms. Case closed
    
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    October 4, 2019 9:16am
    - peterwn
      
      Please give a few of the ‘hundreds of reasons’. The main one that comes to mind is the employer has to meet the current market when hiring a new employee, which implies an existing employee should frequently test the job market which can call the existing employee’s loyalty into question. In other words employees are being penalised for loyalty. The only valid reason to pay a new employee with the same job description more is if a similar existing employee is underperforming.
      
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      October 4, 2019 10:36am
      - BobbyS
        
        So i employ 18 “engineers” all have the same JD but some do service, some do projects, some do more design, some do more specialised work etc etc
        one JD covers all the tasks but because the tasks are so varied, complex, specialised amd voluminous we cant have a JD that defines every task and all the employees have the same title
        
        New Employee may be more experienced, have a larger area of responsibility, be required to do slightly different tasks, have a qualification / ticket the other doesn’t, travel more often, do more tech projects etc etc
        
        Exactly the same reason why some men or women get paid differently for the same “job”
        
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        October 4, 2019 11:34am
      - calendar girl
        
        Re your last sentence, peterwyn, what about a new employee who has better credentials or greater relevant experience?
        
        I accept that it’s difficult to generalise on such matters. But an employer should feel entitled to take various directly-related factors into consideration, and make his or her measured decision accordingly. In doing so, it generally pays to retain a diary note of how a specific decision was reached.
        
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        October 4, 2019 1:29pm
  - Local Miller
    
    I agree at least with the whole “good price” part of this, having just left one electricity and gas supplier for another. When the one I left got notice I was moving, they called me and could suddenly offer me a better deal! I had the same with my internet provider.
    BUT, we live in a “buyer beware” economy. From now on I’ll be reviewing my service providers annually or at the end of the current contract to see if I’m getting the best deal. I’ve also learned that the “best rate” can often be bettered when you talk to the supplier.
    On employment, if someone agreed to work for rate A, and someone else negotiates a higher rate, that’s not the company’s problem, “you” accepted that rate. If you aren’t happy with it ask for an increase or find another job. But this should be based on your being happy or not with your pay rate, not based on what others get.
    
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    October 4, 2019 9:31am
    - lastmanstanding
      
      I suggest you check the price comparison website every 6 months. I do and if another supplier is offering better terms I go to my supplier and give them the opportunity of matching or bettering or i switch. It works well.
      
      I am also an investor in all the listed power companies. Genuine price competition drives better governance and management of organisations. Always has always will.
      
      The more competition the better for consumers. Thats why central and local government monopolies are the most inefficient operators.
      
      No competition means lazy habits and no customer focus.
      
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      October 4, 2019 10:06am
      - peterwn
        
        I do this every two years. My inclination is to not try and bargain with the existing supplier, although I do apply some non explicit pressure such as telling them to ‘sharpen their pencils’. However I will not bargain with the existing supplier after I have signed up with a new supplier.
        Incidentally I limit my choice to the ‘big five’ because I fear other suppliers could fall over when things are tough.
        
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        October 4, 2019 10:40am
    - Wangas Feral
      
      Yeah – same with us. So you can offer me a better deal now, but for the last ten years you have been happily gouging my wallet. Yeah – nah.
      
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      October 4, 2019 10:26am
      - Michael
        
        Wangas
        Telecom rang us with a better deal 1 day before the road was opened up to the opposition broadband.
        
        I said where were they a month ago or six months ago.
        Clearly they didn’t have my best interests at heart and it was only because of opposition coming in that they were contacting us.
        
        We went with opposition and don’t do business with telcom even now. Shits.
        
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        October 4, 2019 1:34pm
      - peterwn
        
        Same here some years ago. Saturn (as it then was) were stringing up their cable TV cable (and associated phone cable). Now, Telecom had lowered its prices where there was a live Saturn network. I sent two faxes off to Telecom asking for a better deal and got no reply. When the Saturn man called, I signed up for their phone service without question.
        
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        October 4, 2019 2:29pm
- wreck1080
  
  Government price controls are rarely free of unintended consequences.
  
  As a genesis shareholder, I expect them to find new ways to compensate for lost revenue.
  
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  October 4, 2019 8:59am
  - peterwn
    
    They will! Genesis has made sure it is properly compensated for keeping two of the old steam turbines at Huntly available for dry years and other contingencies. They got shafted once by the Electricity Authority for this and have made sure it will not happen again. No one can tell Genesis that they have to keep these turbines operational (short of oppressive Government regulation).
    
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    October 4, 2019 9:19am
- Local Miller
  
  I see another working group to see how this can be implemented. Then the new working group will tell them it can’t be done, and they can back peddle (thinking) without looking bad.
  
  Of course, we know they already look bad.
  
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  October 4, 2019 9:19am
- kowtow
  
  With this COL we get back to the socialist equal sharing of miseries.
  
  The “poor” will still struggle to pay their power bills and the careful , who get the early payment discount will lose out.
  
  No one benefits.
  
  Coal power would bring prices down.
  
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  October 4, 2019 10:37am
gravedodger

No man is an Island wrote John Donne.

It seems these young men had very little social support from fellow inmates, friends, family or management.

A sad indictment on where “privacy” has delivered us to as a community.
With the “social media” abounding today with ease and economic low cost from the devices using facetime, skype , messaging, emails, I suppose two or three days for some but eight freakin weeks?????
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October 4, 2019 8:19am
- Brian McDonald
  
  That’s the odd part gravedodger, no friends or family concerned about lack of contact. I wonder if the person was from overseas which made it even more complex.
  
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  October 4, 2019 8:41am
  - Local Miller
    
    Why should overseas make it complex? I’ve got family in Australia, Austria and SA, and we are regularly in contact in some way, at least enough that I know if my Mom, siblings and in-laws are alive.
    
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    October 4, 2019 9:35am
    - Brian McDonald
      
      Language.
      
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      October 4, 2019 10:44am
      - Michael
        
        Could be.
        
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        October 4, 2019 1:35pm
Maggie Pie

Haven’t showed this tweet to my partner yet, but like a lot of other people, I know he will find it horrific 🙁

https://twitter.com/DailyMailUK/status/1179471159127089153
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October 4, 2019 8:20am
- Fletch
  
  I don’t know why, but these days women seem to be the main offenders when it comes to teachers taking advantage of teens etc. I’ve bookmarked untold stories overseas. WND was keeping track, but I think there are so many that even they’ve given up.
  
  https://www.wnd.com/2014/08/39783/
  
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  October 4, 2019 9:26am
- softail 1450
  
  M P, most young men fantasize about being seduced by the beautiful older women but that ain’t it,that would be enough to turn a young guy into a brown hatter…
  
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  October 4, 2019 9:29am
- chaos
  
  What a joke
  
  * Judge Smith adjourned the case to trial on June 8, 2020. He was told it is likely to last four days.
  
  Handing Yates bail, Judge Smith said: ‘Your case is being adjourned until next year which is quite a long way away, in fact it is nine months.*
  
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  October 4, 2019 10:13am
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  Bloody hell, my wife is 19 years older than that harridan, but I’d venture she looks 10 years younger than that woman does.
  
  (She also looks about 10 stone lighter as well, might have something to do with it – I’m a very lucky man I tell ya, seriously!)
  
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  October 4, 2019 11:01am
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NEW ZEALAND …

Reserve Bank Governor says John Key should resign from one ANZ bank role … Susan Edmunds … Stuff NZ

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/116317809/reserve-bank-governor-says-john-key-should-resign-from-one-bank-role

Reserve Bank Governor Adrian Orr says former prime minister Sir John Key may have to stand down from one of his high-profile banking roles because of a potential conflict of interest.

Key chairs the board of ANZ in New Zealand and sits on the board of its parent company in Australia.

Orr told RNZ’s Guyon Espiner that could raise questions about which entities’ interests he would prioritise. … read more via hyperlink above …
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October 4, 2019 8:22am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Orr outs himself as a lefty stooge, under the control of Robertson.
  He should be independent – this sort of thing is none of his business.
  
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  October 4, 2019 8:52am
  - Ruahine
    
    Yes. A lefty stooge who cannot keep his mouth shut.
    
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    October 4, 2019 9:13am
  - oldgolfer
    
    No, but he appears very keen to make it his business.
    
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    October 4, 2019 9:20am
  - MCos
    
    Sounds like it is his business, the way he’s talking.
    It would appear he can compel Key and some other bloke to choose between directorships on two banks, not suggest, because there could be a conflict of interests under certain circumstances.
    
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    October 4, 2019 9:47am
- peterwn
  
  This is no personal reflection on John Key. He has done nothing wrong by accepting both directorships. What the Reserve Bank Governor is saying is the Chair of the NZ Board of a trans-Tasman bank (ie the ‘big four’) should be independent of the Australian parent. The Governor has a good point here. It is fundamental that in the event of a crisis involving the Australian parent that the crisis does not adversely affect the NZ operation. The Reserve Bank has already put measures in place to achieve this objective (eg separate IT systems required). Westpac had to make the most changes to comply as its NZ operation was very much subsidiary to and dependent on ‘Head Office’.
  
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  October 4, 2019 8:57am
- Libertarians are right
  
  Orr needs to resign if he’s that stupid. There is a very good reason the chair of a subsidiary would be on the parent’s board. If he doesn’t understand that he’s not fit for purpose.
  
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  October 4, 2019 8:58am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    What other internal deals are we still unaware of ? …
    
    FMA says ANZ NZ should have disclosed the sale of an Auckland house to the wife of its former CEO David Hisco as a related party transaction, questions role of auditor KPMG … Gareth Vaughan … Interest Co NZ
    
    https://www.interest.co.nz/banking/101329/fma-says-anz-nz-should-have-disclosed-sale-auckland-house-wife-its-former-ceo-david
    
    How did ANZ lose money on a house in the hottest housing market in memory? | Kate MacNamara | Stuff.co.nz
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/113712883/how-did-anz-lose-money-on-a-house-in-the-hottest-housing-market-in-memory
    
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    October 4, 2019 9:40am
- Local Miller
  
  Orr is out of line here. There are stacks of cross Tasman situations like this where a member of the board in NZ is also the member of the board of the parent. We have the exact same situation with the company I work for.
  Is he going to tell all companies the same thing? I wouldn’t be at all surprised if this were the same for some members of the ASB board wrt CBA, and Westpac NZ and Westpac Australia.
  
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  October 4, 2019 9:56am
Odakyu-sen

Is it the role of the hostel administration to have a daily roll call to check that all inmates are present and correct?
(A how would this inconvenience the 99.999% of normal students?)
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October 4, 2019 8:24am
- Than
  
  Absolutely not.
  
  A hostel is not a surrogate parent or guardian. It’s not even a mentor or teacher. It’s an accomodation provider. It’s role is to provide a roof over the students heads, and perhaps meals if that’s part of the arrangement. That’s it.
  
  It’s sad that this guy had so little social contact that nobody noticed him missing for eight weeks, but it is not the hostel’s role to be checking up on him. Speaking for myself, if my hostel had tried to do that I’d have absolutely hated it.
  
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  October 4, 2019 8:46am
  - SGA
    
    I think that he is being sarcastic, Than. He doesn’t see a roll call or suchlike as feasible.
    
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    October 4, 2019 8:57am
- SGA
  
  99.999% of normal students
  
  Only 1 in 10,000 students isn’t normal? Surely you jest.
  (I agree with your general point though).
  
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  October 4, 2019 8:51am
- peterwn
  
  See my comment – roll calls can prevent or mitigate these dreadful incidents, but can be done in an non intrusive way using modern technology such a monitoring card access to the building and common areas.
  
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  October 4, 2019 9:33am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Let’s say that the suicide rate for young caucasian adults is 10 per 100,000 persons per year.
  If you have a facility with 1,000 students, that means that over a 10-year period, the chances are that there will be 1 suicide.
  Think of all the extra administration costs to put a “check in on students” system in place.
  
  Cotton meet wool.
  
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  October 4, 2019 9:38am
Bill felt

Are we seeing the beginning of the final downfall of Winston? Just too many unanswered questions regarding his party donations.
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October 4, 2019 8:27am
- igm
  
  The creep still has not repaid taxpayers the $158,000 he stole from them . . . he had better add interest and penalties when he does . . . and soon!
  
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  October 4, 2019 8:39am
- oldgolfer
  
  One can but hope.
  
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  October 4, 2019 8:47am
- niggly
  
  Also makes one wonder why NZF was so keen on Russia prior to the 2017 election (when no other party’s were) … seems rather strange!
  
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  October 4, 2019 9:15am
- MCos
  
  “Are we seeing the beginning of the final downfall of Winston?”
  
  Said nobody ever before.
  
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  October 4, 2019 9:53am
- peterwn
  
  Simon and co will pounce – at the right time. It is easier the bigger the hole that Shane is digging for himself.
  
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  October 4, 2019 10:42am
Luke Piewalker

More observations after arriving back to NZ

TVNZ/Three what appalling poop
People actually pay to read the Herald?
A lot of Maori history rewriting going on
Is there ‘one’ government dept that isn’t a mess?
Cindy is either at a kindy/pacific islands or the UN.

Hard to believe (actually it’s not) such an incompetent lot can trash an economy so quickly
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October 4, 2019 8:30am
- BobbyS
  
  welcome back to the mess
  now promise not to go away again until after we throw this CoL out. We need all the help we can get
  
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  October 4, 2019 9:19am
- softail 1450
  
  L P, Your comment proves my point about how fast the appalling rape complaints about a member of Ardern’s staff have vanished so quickly from any mention……
  
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  October 4, 2019 9:41am
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  I’m seriously thinking about paying to read the Herald, but only because as bad as they might be, Stuff is infinitely worse!
  
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  October 4, 2019 10:49am
- kloyd0306
  
  Answers as to why…
  TV3: Leftism is the reason TV3 is crap
  The Herald: The place is lefty driven, underlined by their coverup of Labour’s sex scandal
  Maori history re-write: A hallmark of leftism is revision of history that they don’t like
  Current Govt Depts: The current govt is leftist, one step from socialism which has failed everywhere it has been tried
  Cindy: Another leftist trait – symbolism over substance. Virtue signalling combined with incompetence and weak leadership
  
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  October 4, 2019 11:52am
KevO'Brien

Those who re-write history are doomed to living its consequences. Appeasement for the past is no panacea.
Allowing an apology to Maori for Cook is trouble making. Different cultures, different rules.
We expected if a foreigner appeared over the side of a small boat with a spear making hostile gestures that their intent was life threatening. Killing in self preservation has been excusable since ancient times. Maori and others have blood feuds–a life for a life and these can never be satisfied. Every life taken in satisfaction requires another. Utu is part of that regime.
Muskets when discovered made a quick end but left the user or family open for later return fire. That’s what brought about the Treaty of Waitangi. A change to British law was needed or their society would be wiped out completely.

Utu is being advocated again by some ignorant people seeking to find a false identity. Now money is being demanded too as that can be freshly repeated each generation salving the wounds which can never be healed except by loving tolerance. The Waitangi Tribunal are masters of remembered dissatisfaction.
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October 4, 2019 8:34am
- Fletch
  
  There was some female Maori activist with a moko on her chin and half shaved head making appearances on TV saying stuff like, “for 250 years we’ve been told we are wrong, now we’ve been proven right and I have felt the chains drop away”.
  
  Um, the Brits didn’t apologize. They “expressed regret” which is a different thing. Don Brash reckons they shouldn’t even have done that.
  
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  October 4, 2019 9:30am
  - BobbyS
    
    “Give an inch – take a mile”
    
    Here come the demands for more apologies
    
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    October 4, 2019 11:38am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Fuck them.
      
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      October 4, 2019 12:17pm
    - Michael
      
      and dosh….
      
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      October 4, 2019 1:40pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      …and moolah, ha, ha ha.
      
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      October 4, 2019 8:30pm
  - Paulus
    
    As having been born a Brit I am going to get an apology from the Normans and the other tribes that followed them, and derived me as a Celt.
    I agree with Brash – what crap from my once country folk.
    
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    October 4, 2019 1:44pm
    - rockape
      
      And those bloody vikings!
      
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      October 4, 2019 4:11pm
- JackRabbit
  
  NZ was inhabited long before Maori arrived. Thousands of years in fact. Not only is their evidence kept locked away, but the colonists learnt of it from Maori themselves who were proud and boasted of their conquests of dispatching the incumbents. Winning battles was the measure of success back then, along with taking of heads and eating the victims.
  
  What a wicked web of deceit is being performed by those who re-write history. The treaty between Maori Elders and colonists brought peace and an end to cannibalism, and the preying on non cannibalistic tribes.
  
  The past is the past. Maori elders would role in their graves if they knew how the past is being re-written, and Maori being made to look like victims rather than the proud warriors they once were. Warriors who loved to defeat and butcher their opponents, but then had to admit defeat to a race that was more civil and that brought inter tribal peace for the first time in hundreds of years.
  
  Let the past be the past. Move on.
  
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  October 4, 2019 9:36am
  - Brian McDonald
    
    Evidence is being locked away, pass the conspiracy pills.
    
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    October 4, 2019 10:48am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Bullshit, there’s no credible evidence for human occupation of what is now NZ before around 1250 CE. Just recently re-analysis of new sample from a contested site that had some rat remains classified as from around 8-900 has decided that the laboratory treatment of the original samples was responsible for the early date, and retested old sample plus brand new samples from the same site all gave the same 1250-1280 dating.
    
    This doesn’t mean that there wasn’t, just we have zero evidence of any prior inhabitation.
    
    Maori oral history of a red-haired people are traceable to myths brought with them from Polynesia where similar stories are told. These are the Polynesian equivalent of “elves”, they may represent an ancient remembrance of another people in a distant place, but a current prior people.
    
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    October 4, 2019 2:07pm
    - Ed Snack
      
      Missed the edit, last phrase in last sentence should be “but a current, prior people, no.”
      
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      October 4, 2019 2:23pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      @Ed Snack
      >>> Bullshit, there’s no credible evidence for human occupation of what is now NZ before around 1250 CE.
      
      Clearly you don’t do any research. There are literally hundreds of pieces of evidence and artifacts from Cape Reinga to Bluff, many verified by DNA and carbon dating, that point to in-habitation going back thousands of years. You just don’t want it to be that way.
      
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      October 4, 2019 3:16pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        Clearly you have no idea what constitutes credible research. Waffling on about celtic remains in NZ without any remotely credible evidence simply won’t work.
        
        I repeat, there is no credible evidence for human habitation in NZ before around 1250 CE. If you have any that is properly verified, spill it. I’ve looked, and there ain’t. No DNA, no carbon dated sites – a c-800 CE date on rat remains has been overturned by new samples and analysis.
        
        There are some interesting theories but nothing verified. For that you’ll need something definite like a carbon dated site with evidence of human or foreign animals or material. For example a lot of the earliest dates are derived from rat bones and rat-chewed seeds as these are quite distinctive. Although a self population is remotely possible it is generally accepted that rats arrived with humans on ships.
        
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        October 4, 2019 10:25pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        @Ed Snack
        >>>Clearly you have no idea what constitutes credible research. Waffling on about celtic remains in NZ without any remotely credible evidence simply won’t work.
        
        You have revealed yourself to be a source of dis-information, who only wants to suppress the truth. So you raise issues that people may have heard about already and pour cold water on them to kill interest in advance.
        
        Since you could not possibly know what evidence I know about, and the veracity of that evidence, your actions to try and dismiss before knowing what it is, is a sign of guilt or premeditation. It is comparable to someone who is guilty offering up an excuse, reason or alibi before the evidence of the mis-deed has been discovered. It is trying to dismiss something by pre-empting it.
        
        You claim there is no evidence however if you were open minded you would would welcome new evidence. The reality is you are close minded and will not accept any evidence that is contrary to your preformed belief.
        
        You mentioned “waffling on about celtic remains”. I never mentioned celtic remains. It would appear that you are the one waffling on about your opinions and anti-theories that you want everyone to believe without inspecting any evidence.
        
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        October 5, 2019 12:29am
  - GoVege
    
    Maori tribes have way more beef with eachother over past wrongs.
    Real wrongs.
    But then, you can’t get blood out of a stone….
    
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    October 4, 2019 4:54pm
- rangitoto
  
  According to the AC and NC Begg book, in that incident, it’s interesting that Cook’s crew captured three young warriors. Cook put them ashore a couple of days later but they told Tupaia that they were afraid of where Cook was dropping them off as it was the territory of a rival tribe and they would be killed and eaten. Basically a war like tribe attacked Cook’s crew and they retaliated. Perhaps an over reaction but what would you do if wild savages were coming at you with spears and other weapons.
  
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  October 4, 2019 10:09am
- Nermal
  
  So will Ngapuhi issue apologies to Aupouri, Ngati Kahu, Te Arawa etc etc for their depredations during the musket wars? No, thought not
  
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  October 4, 2019 5:13pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Perhaps we need to reconsider the tribal settlements to for inter-tribal issues too. I have a feeling we have been played.
    
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    October 4, 2019 8:32pm
- MCos
  
  ‘Allowing an apology to Maori for Cook is trouble making.’
  The British High Comissioner didn’t apologize, she expressed regret that the incident took place, which the iwi acknowledged.
  
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  October 4, 2019 10:41pm
niggly

Dickhead of the Day Award goes to Guyon Espiner for making a story about the Reserve Bank Governor (who is wanting to ensure the 4 major Australian banks double the capital they hold to ensure greater financial resilience and minimise risk to Kiwis) to be all about John Key.

Yes the headlines on radio and online is about Sir John Key “Former PM John Key may have to relinquish banking role” and “Former Prime Minister Sir John Key could be forced to stand down from one of his banking roles because of a potential conflict of interest.”

Turns out although Adrian Orr is concerned about people (such as Sir JK and Mr Doug McKay) being on both Australian and NZ bank boards, Mr Orr is quoted as saying that whilst he is “considering making banking directors choose between New Zealand and Australia, he was not touting the move as a high priority and no decisions had been made”.

So there we have it folks, Guyon Espiner plays up the “John Key” issue when in fact it isn’t a high priority for the Reserve Bank Governor – the emphasis of Espiner’s reporting should have been the financial risk aspects that Mr Orr is very concerned about.

[Mod: This was a reasonable post until you dropped it into the sewer]

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/in-depth/400258/former-pm-john-key-may-have-to-relinquish-banking-role
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October 4, 2019 8:38am
- niggly
  
  Mod – fair point (so pleased you deleted my last para upon reflection), but when journos are blinded by their personal “hate” of someone, what can we mere mortals do apart from ridicule them?
  
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  October 4, 2019 9:04am
Maggie Pie

Standing here last night quickly wolfing down the last piece of my caramel Krispy Kreme …

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFa18dgUcAAmEZ4?format=jpg&name=900×900
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October 4, 2019 8:44am
- BobbyS
  
  WTF?
  Is this in a hospital?
  Is it in a public area easily accessible to anyone?
  I get it that a person using the lift wont want to be in the lift, let alone with food or drink, when a dead person is being transported, but since when did we start to use Religion / Beliefs as a justification for doing an everyday thing like carry your water bottle, lunch in a lift? Don’t eat or drink in the lift but don’t even transport it?
  
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  October 4, 2019 9:23am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Screw that. Superstitions should be ignored. People are free to have nutty beliefs, but they should not be able to impose their preferences on others.
  
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  October 4, 2019 9:28am
- chaos
  
  That’s just not fair, why not share the food with the dead bodies
  
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  October 4, 2019 9:34am
- Fletch
  
  Oh good grief. This is the left all over. An appearance of caring and benevolence, peace, love, and rainbows but their real policies show them to be selfish. Paint a nice mural on a lift, but scrap health targets, withdraw former funding for cochlear implants, axe mental health worker scheme for ambulance call-outs etc. It’s hypocritical.
  
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  October 4, 2019 9:37am
  - chaos
    
    this is nothing to do with political leanings, they have been putting murals in hospitals for ages now.
    
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    October 4, 2019 10:02am
    - Fletch
      
      Yeh, but this isn’t just a mural. It’s a instructional/political/propaganda piece.
      
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      October 4, 2019 10:19am
      - chaos
        
        No it’s not, it’s simply asking for some respect to be paid for the morgues lift. Nothing political about it. You’ve made far more out of it than it is.
        
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        October 4, 2019 10:33am
      - kowtow
        
        chaos
        
        Given that the same culture considered humans to be food , the logical conclusion must be that humans must also not travel in said lift, if one is truly respecting cultural considerations.
        
        But we’re not , we’re politicising technology.
        
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        October 4, 2019 10:51am
      - MH
        
        is the lift going up or down?
        
        Just asking for a friend.
        
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        October 4, 2019 11:48am
- Local Miller
  
  Actually, I think the food and drink thing is health related. Since you don’t know the cause of death, how recent, etc. for the previous dead occupants, if the food/drink container isn’t well sealed there’s a risk of contamination. That part at least is quite reasonable.
  But I must say, “respect the lift” why, it’s just a blooming machine, it doesn’t care. I’m happy to respect the dead body if I were in the lift with it. I’d be surprised however if they transport bodies with anyone other than relatives or close associates.
  
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  October 4, 2019 10:24am
  - Sacha
    
    And if you’d ever been escorting a body on a trolley down to the mortuary , and the door has opened to reveal all to an unsuspecting family, you’d realise that people DO tend to recoil in shock –
    Usually, we used the service lift –
    
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    October 4, 2019 11:44am
    - MH
      
      presbyterrean or CofE ?
      
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      October 4, 2019 11:49am
    - Pharmachick
      
      Strictly the service lift – prevents all sorts of situations that civilians aren’t (or don’t want to be) prepared for.
      
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      October 4, 2019 3:27pm
stinkypete

paris knife attacker recent convert to islam according to reports
not that you will see that in nz media

https://nypost.com/2019/10/03/paris-knife-attacker-who-killed-4-in-police-headquarters-had-converted-to-islam-report/
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October 4, 2019 8:54am
- Inandout
  
  stinky, the French are far less PC than us.
  
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  October 4, 2019 9:19am
- The King
  
  This is how they operate, rather than warn and keep the public informed about radical Islam they choose to keep them in the dark, this way when an Islamic attack happens there are more unsuspecting victims.
  
  That’s why we heard nothing about the Islamic terrorist attack on our cops with an axe, until months later.
  
  The media are the enemy of the people.
  
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  October 4, 2019 9:38am
- kevn
  
  @stinky… and he had just been reprimanded by a female supervisor, so went nuts. Classic.
  
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  October 4, 2019 9:42am
  - igm
    
    Bet our MSM will not go near this story . . . Ardern will be putting her letterbox garb on to mourn the killer.
    
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    October 4, 2019 10:11am
- Scott
  
  stinkypete – noticed the article myself this morning. This one was in the Daily Mail (a British newspaper not a New Zealand one) and they did note his conversion to Islam.
  But the bottom line is that a man converts to Islam and goes on a murderous rampage because he doesn’t want to deal with women in the workplace.
  
  Yet another example of “multicultural enrichment”?
  
  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7533375/Knifeman-attacks-police-officers-Paris-police-station.html
  
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  October 4, 2019 9:43am
  - igm
    
    Not a mention of it in NZ media . . . seems Islam controls the unions as well as Little . . . neither being worth a blurt!
    
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    October 4, 2019 2:47pm
  - Durden
    
    Something interesting going on with his wife- who was arrested after attack.
    
    I am taking an educated guess that she is a Muslim.
    
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    October 4, 2019 5:56pm
- Local Miller
  
  Ban all knives now! Knife buy back program now! No more sharp knives of knives over 10 cm. Nobody needs such long knives. Chefs can have knives but we want a knife register for all knives over 10 cm.
  
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  October 4, 2019 10:26am
- Nermal
  
  The longer it takes for the MSM to report on a terrorist’s religion/ethnicity, the more likely it is to be Islam/middle eastern
  
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  October 4, 2019 5:19pm
rightoverlabour

The next time some lefy tries to explain that the COL has a majority, direct them here:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/116301095/nz-first-voters-preferred-national-to-labour-at-2017-election-by-wide-margin

Doing very rough maths 2/3 of 7% plus Act plus Nat at the last election gives a higher number of seats than the Commy Collection of Losers.
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October 4, 2019 8:56am
- niggly
  
  And NZF wonder why they consistently poll under the 5% threshold since the election!
  
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  October 4, 2019 9:00am
- Libertarians are right
  
  To be fair , that was obvious to anyone with a brain. Winston lost 10% when Jacinda took the leadership – all the Labour voters went home.
  
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  October 4, 2019 9:01am
- JackRabbit
  
  A country hijacked by a minority, by a COL that could only be formed by a COL partner also hijacking his party by a minority vote. Although the final decision was probably a consensus of the two leaders of NZF, Winston and Jim B, or was it Jack D
  
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  October 4, 2019 9:13am
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  Remember how we were sold MMP under the bullshit statement that it will elect a government that is truly representative of the popular vote!
  
  Instead, we have the leader of a party that gained 7% of the vote, acting against the wishes of the people that voted for them, installing a SLG as Prime Minister so he can control the levers of power.
  
  Oh, and gifting us Shane Jones in to the bargain.
  
  Great result that one….
  
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  October 4, 2019 10:55am
Captain Mainwaring

The Greenies are all having orgasms because 359 Tesla Model 3s were delivered in NZ in September. After taking out the rental cars it was the country’s top-selling model.
What they’re not telling us is that the orders have been accumulating for over two years and the cars were all built in one run and shipped on the same boat. Won’t happen again for a long time.
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October 4, 2019 9:04am
- JackRabbit
  
  Most fanatical Greenies wouldn’t have the money for a Tesla, maybe perhaps a Nissan leaf. Even if they did buy a Tesla, they wouldn’t have the testosterone to drive it and use the power responsibly. Ask Jeremy Clarkson.
  
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  October 4, 2019 9:18am
- BobbyS
  
  The interesting part about that survey was that 2 out of every 3 NZF voters DIDN’T want Whinestone to be PM
  Well that’s complete stupidity – voting for the Whinestone Party but not wanting him to be PM?!?!?!?!?!
  
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  October 4, 2019 9:28am
  - Swifty
    
    ‘Tactical’ voting.
    
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    October 4, 2019 9:55am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Turns out, it was twatical voting . . .
      
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      October 4, 2019 2:18pm
- Bell-47
  
  The NZ market is far too small for Tesla to even worry about delivering on time if at all. I recently returned from travelling around Europe, Switzerland in particular has a noticeably high number of Tesla’s and a high proportion of model 3’s. This was also the case for Sweden and Denmark. Include the US and in particular California and Tesla can barely keep up. The watermelons here have no clue about market driven demand and think Tesla et-al will be salivating at the prospect of selling a few hundred gay electric cars in NZ..I seriously doubt it!
  
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  October 4, 2019 9:40am
  - Okahu
    
    “The NZ market is far too small for Tesla to even worry about delivering on time if at all.”
    
    Given that the OP points out that Tesla has in fact just made a sizeable delivery that sentence calls your comprehension into question. I know the need to pile in on green tech is powerful here on Kiwiblog amongst some but that effort was risible. And “gay” electric cars? I fear your problems don’t stop at comprehension.
    
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    October 4, 2019 8:46pm
- Charmaine Hawke
  
  I am currently listening to Ludicrous the unvarished Tesla story the further into the book I am getting the more I am thinking this company specialises in vaporware propped up by gullible governments.
  
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  October 4, 2019 9:56am
herb1

Ardern 4 th favourite for Nobel Peace prize behind angry girl. With the low bar for entry , why aren’t the kardashians nominated . They smile just like Ardern

https://sports.ladbrokes.com/en-gb/betting/tv-specials/awards/nobel-peace-prize/nobel-peace-prize-2019/228347565/
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October 4, 2019 9:09am
- igm
  
  Is the latest mass murderer in France one of Ardern’s chosen people?
  Odds on he is as MSM are avoiding his ethnicity and anything that may identify him as such.
  
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  October 4, 2019 10:05am
- chaos
  
  Stupid little girl goes up against angry little girl, and angry little girl will win because that is what her handlers have arranged. This scam is all about making money, nothing more
  
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  October 4, 2019 10:09am
  - igm
    
    Shows how little class Ardern has . . . odds on favourite to lose to an intellectually handicapped child!
    
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    October 4, 2019 10:39am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      An abused child . . .
      
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      October 4, 2019 2:20pm
- sooty
  
  They would have more fans tha Cindy as well!
  
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  October 4, 2019 10:17am
- Local Miller
  
  If the ALG wins it, and all the predictions she is being told to mouth off about don’t come true, can they take it away again?
  
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  October 4, 2019 10:39am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    No. Obama still has his and achieved nothing for world peace.
    
    Looks like he got it for being the first black man in the white house who wasn’t serving canapés, mixing drinks or trimming the lawn.
    
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    October 4, 2019 2:22pm
- JackRabbit
  
  @herb1
  
  >>>They smile just like Ardern.
  
  So does Mr Ed.
  
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  October 4, 2019 3:20pm
- Nermal
  
  Wouldn’t it drive the snowflakes crazy if Trump got the Nobel Peace Prize?
  
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  October 4, 2019 5:22pm
Maggie Pie

Close to home – 🙁

Would this be one of the most dreadful cases of school-bullying you have ever heard of? Even my partner said it sounded like something out of Nazi Germany. Yet the schools involved did absolutely nothing !

https://www.smh.com.au/national/victoria/jewish-boys-taunted-in-anti-semitic-bullying-at-melbourne-schools-20191003-p52xen.html
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October 4, 2019 9:14am
- The King
  
  Jews are one of the biggest promoters of multiculturalism, they were attacked by muslims.
  
  Sow
  Seed
  Reap
  
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  October 4, 2019 10:34am
- RiP NZ
  
  And who is the abuser MP?
  When will the left, who’s only objective it seems is to tear down Western culture and denigrate the strong, values driven men who fought for it realise……this is the only thing that stands between them and anarchy.
  Who will save them then?
  
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  October 4, 2019 7:04pm
Maggy Wassilieff

The problem with achieving net-Zero carbon dioxide emissions by 2050.

https://www.climateconversation.org.nz/2019/10/shaws-green-dreams-real-world-needs/
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October 4, 2019 9:31am
- stephieboy
  
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  MW, the Climate Conversation has nothing to do wit this?
  
  Climate change deniers swamped in NIWA court challenge
  
  The Crown Research Institute will be entitled to costs, which are yet to be set. UPDATED with RAW DATA: The judgment of Justice Venning.
  
  By Jonathan Underhill
  Wed, 11 Jul 2018
  
  BUSINESSDESK: A lobby group set up to challenge claims that humans are causing climate change has lost a High Court challenge to National Institute of Water and Atmospheric Research data showing rising temperatures in New Zealand between 1909 and 2009.
  
  RAW DATA: NZ Climate Science vs NIWA – The judgment of Justice Venning (PDF)
  
  Judge Geoffrey Venning threw out claims by the NZ Climate Science Education Trust that the Crown Research Institute known as NIWA breached its statutory duties, were mistaken in fact, failed to consider mandatory considerations and acted unreasonably in publishing its work
  
  https://www.nbr.co.nz/article/climate-change-deniers-shot-down-high-court-challenge-niwa-bd-127869
  
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  October 4, 2019 10:30am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Stalking me again stephieboy.
    
    Moderators, stephieboy’s trolling and harassing post has nothing to do with the topic I posted on which was net-Zero C emissions.
    
    Yesterday stephieboy posted a complaint about the harassment he reckons he gets on KB, but he seems to have no self-awareness that his stalking and abuse of me that has been going on here for years is of his own making… and very similar to the technique used by Colin Craig.
    
    It’s constant; it’s unnecessary; it’s creepy and it’s designed to upset me.
    
    [Mod: Some of us are watching stephieboy Maggy. However there is nothing abusive in his response to your comment, and there is a little more latitude to being off-topic in the General Debate. Thanks for the heads-up]
    
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    October 4, 2019 10:54am
    - chaos
      
      He’s a creep. Goes on about Greta having Aspergers but made a rude comment about me having it the other day. Shows he is here just to troll and be rather creepy. Reminds me of internet stalkers that have gone on to attack people in person.
      
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      October 4, 2019 11:03am
    - Michael
      
      Not good enough MOD.
      1. It brings the atmosphere down for us all.
      2. It sets a very bad example by you mods and DPF for not dealing to him.
      3.It is particularly egregious as it seems you are ignoring a woman speaking out about creepy behaviour over an extended period of time.
      
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      October 4, 2019 1:49pm
    - toby1845
      
      Mods: Stephie is clearly a perverted creep. I think that it would be entirely appropriate for him to be blocked from commenting on any of Maggie’s posts, and any stream that she has contributed to.
      
      He is a stalking pervert. If you don’t take action to stop him, you are putting yourselves at the same level as him, and the Labour Party officials who condone sexual assault and rape.
      
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      October 5, 2019 1:01am
  - Bell-47
    
    “Climate change deniers” Like branding sensible people who question the ethics and global industry that is “climate science” as some sort of heretics or backward, flat earther’s. No longer is it fashionable to question politically motivated “science” for fear of admonishment or loss of professional stature and funding. Putting this particular “man made climate change” genie back in the bottle is now well and truly out of reach.
    
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    October 4, 2019 11:04am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      I suspect it will be lost cause for the greens warmists within 10 years. If the climate cools against their activism…
      
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      October 4, 2019 8:37pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Hi Stephiboy. Must really cause much distress when more and more scientists and climatologists are abandoning the IPCC wet dream… And the general population are waking up too, a few more harsh winters in Europe and the USA and it will all be over. Karma is a bitch and Climate Alarmism Karma is one Solar Minimum away….
    
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    October 4, 2019 12:51pm
  - JackRabbit
    
    @stephiboy
    
    Yet the royal commission supplied tide level chart data that shows that sea level is not rising at any rate different to what is has been rising at for 100 years.
    
    It is only NASA that says sea level is rising differently. If your property measures 15m x 40m i.e. 600 sqm, confirmed by 3 tape measures from Mitre 10, Bunnings and Placemakers, and confirmed by a property surveyor, and the council in your rates bill, would you believe NASA if their satellites said your property is 1200sqm?
    
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    October 4, 2019 3:29pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh dear…
someone didn’t check the hose
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-04/climate-change-activists-spray-fake-blood-at-uk-treasury/11572878
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October 4, 2019 9:36am
- chaos
  
  Oh no they brought an old diesel guzzling fire truck, shows they are all do as I say not as I do. These shits are doing nothing for the environment while those they moan about are. Just eco terrorists.
  
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  October 4, 2019 9:43am
- srylands
  
  You will see this here before too long. Folk in SUVs attacked. Disrupting airports. Once the climate strikers get bored marching on parliament they will occupy the check in areas at airports. And nothing will be done about it.
  
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  October 4, 2019 10:22am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Sooner than you think! I heard on the 10am news that they have a protest planned for Wellington on Monday which will include blocking streets. This from the Herald:
    
    Wellington will be the first of more than 60 cities across the world to be targeted by Extinction Rebellion activists this coming week.
    
    This next wave of protests in the name of the environment follows the group’s high profile action that brought London to a standstill in April.
    
    Thousands of protesters’ ground traffic to a halt, glued themselves to trains, and descended on Parliament Square.
    
    The blockades planned for Wellington are not expected to be as big but the intention is to cause disruption.
    
    On Monday at 7am rebels will meet at Midland Park and then make their way to various undisclosed central city locations, Extinction Rebellion spokeswoman Dr Sea Rotmann said.
    
    “This is a really really minor disruption in people’s lives compared to what is coming and I don’t think we are prepared for what is coming.
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12273425
    
    The Police and Wellington City Council are aware of the protests, but can’t really do anything yet because they say they don’t know what is planned where. Maybe they should fence off Midland Park around 7.01am, and stop Extinction Rebellion getting out!
    
    And maybe people going to work and being prevented from going about their lawful business should arm themselves with super soakers of something similar.
    
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    October 4, 2019 11:27am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      That action is surely going to attract a lot of sympathy to their cause.
      
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      October 4, 2019 11:44am
    - Ed Snack
      
      I’ve always thought that someone who, say, glues themselves to a road should be just left there – after making sure that they don’t have a solvent on them. After a week they’d be pretty sure to see how foolish they were.
      
      Same with those who chain themselves to a ship, just leave them chained up and leave them alone as the ship sails. Again, after a few days they might realize that they weren’t really that clever.
      
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      October 4, 2019 2:11pm
  - rockape
    
    Live wire from +ve of battery electric fence, wire to a ground change with a switch in line.Worker on my Landrover in the middle east. Just remember to switch off before getting out of the car or if stopped for speeding!
    
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    October 4, 2019 4:26pm
- kowtow
  
  There’s a reason firemen have to be pretty strong , those hoses have a life of their own .
  
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  October 4, 2019 10:56am
- MH
  
  can’t tell if nozzle popped out of coupling, if coupling still on very dangerous to pick up- firemen are taught to straddle over hose and work ones way to coupling with helmet on as well as pump to be disengaged. Will paint drift into the Thames ?
  
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  October 4, 2019 11:27am
chaos

Sworn statement of former Ukraine Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin

https://www.scribd.com/document/427618359/Shokin-Statement

Bye bye creepy joe.
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October 4, 2019 9:51am
- Bell-47
  
  WOW! that surely should be the end of sleepy Joe but as we have seen, the smokescreen put up by Shiff, Nadler and Pelosi, this document will only see the light of day on Fox News. Nobody else will air it, I guarantee it. The only way it will made more public is if Biden looks like he is outpolling Warren. It’s sickening watching the open trashing of POTUS and blatant ignorance of what Biden and Obama were up to in Ukraine and the plot in the FBI to topple Trump in Clinton’s “plan B” campaign of undermining a candidate and then president. It’s a truly disgusting moment in history that we should all be ashamed of.
  
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  October 4, 2019 10:26am
- stephieboy
  
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  chaos, no it’s not bye, bey creepy joe,
  
  This 2016 letter proves that GOP attacks on Biden over Ukraine are nonsense
  
  It wasn’t just Biden who wanted reform in the Ukrainian prosecutor’s office. Republican senators did, too.
  
  Trump’s core argument against Joe Biden is that then-Vice President Biden improperly used the power of his office to get a Ukrainian general prosecutor fired in order to stop him from investigating a Ukrainian gas company that Biden’s son Hunter served on the board of.
  The reality is that the Obama administration — as well as many other Western European officials — wanted the prosecutor, a man named Viktor Shokin, removed because he was believed to be trying to stymie anti-corruption efforts in Ukraine. In other words, if anything, Biden’s efforts could have put his son in more legal jeopardy, not less.
  Yet the conspiracy theory persists and has been repeated by Trump’s Republican allies on Fox News and in Congress. But it turns out Republicans have failed to mention one important thing: At least three GOP senators at the time also wanted that Ukrainian prosecutor fired….”
  
  https://www.vox.com/2019/10/3/20896869/trump-biden-ukraine-2016-letter-portman-johnson
  
  Worth repeating,
  
  “At least three GOP senators at the time also wanted that Ukrainian prosecutor fired….”
  
  [Mod – once again stephieboy, please make clear where your words stop, and where your cut and paste starts. Otherwise we may just delete the whole lot]
  
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  October 4, 2019 10:37am
  - rangitoto
    
    So you admit he is creepy.
    
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    October 4, 2019 11:01am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    “Otherwise we may just delete the whole lot”
    
    That would be a bloody good idea Mr. Mod.
    
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    October 4, 2019 11:46am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Wrong AGAIN Stephie
    
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    October 4, 2019 11:49am
    - stephieboy
      
      All on Red, ????
      
      More Trump based conspiracies and fake news whirling around making you giddy?
      
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      October 4, 2019 12:13pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        PervyBoy
        In a startling lack of self awareness you fail to recognise you are the one peddling ‘More Trump based conspiracies and fake news’
        You are truly Kiwiblogs Dumbest Commentator
        
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        October 4, 2019 12:32pm
lastmanstanding

A random question. If the Auditor General and the Serious Fraud Office investigated NZF 2019 accounts would they find that donations came from parties who also received significant funds from the Provincial Growth Fund.

Just asking for a friend
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October 4, 2019 9:56am
- srylands
  
  I don’t think it would be unlawful for a company that benefited from the PGF to donate to New Zealand First. It might be a bad look but not unlawful. Happy to be corrected if I am missing something in the electoral law.
  
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  October 4, 2019 10:19am
Maggie Pie

My partners mum was telling us she just received an email from Tracy Martin detailing all the new discount products available to SuperGold Card Holders.
She was surprised to find that the 10% discount offered on Incontinence Pads only applied to ‘TENA MEN’ !

Not that she uses them, but as she said, “How sexist is that?”
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October 4, 2019 10:05am
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We can gain some measure of hope in an age when the truth is regularly turned on its head by political “luminaries” like Donald Trump and Boris Johnson and their followers. As the writer notes the Victorian PM, Benjamin Disraeli was often accused of never feeling the truth “ except by accident”

” Philosopher of truth says we’re not living in a “post-truth” world after all”

“In a world where Donald Trump declares an audio recording of his statements “fake news” and insists to supporters that “what you are seeing and what you are reading is not what’s happening,” it’s easy to despair for the truth. “We have entered an age of post-truth politics,” lamented the New York Times.

Simon Blackburn, philosophy professor at Cambridge University, isn’t worried. Blackburn, who received acclaim for his 2005 book Truth and has recently written another book on the subject, On Truth, says the truth has always been twisted by politicians. “In the nineteenth century the politician Joseph Chamberlain said of Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli that he never felt the truth except by accident,” he wrote in his latest book.

In certain circles, though, lying goes unpunished. “Our attachment to truth has become liberalized, less moralized,” Blackburn notes. “It’s not quite such a serious misdemeanor if someone is caught out lying as it used to be.” Supporters of the likes of Trump in the US and Boris Johnson in the UK don’t condemn their favored politicians when they lie. But while liars are more easily forgiven than before, we still recognize their falsehoods; such leaders haven’t distorted the very nature of truth…..”

https://qz.com/1361505/a-philosopher-of-truth-says-were-not-living-in-a-post-truth-world-after-all/

[Mod – how about using blockquote so readers know which part you wrote (if any) and what has been cut and pasted from the link. Kiwiblog isn’t a Labour Party pamphlet, you know.]
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October 4, 2019 10:15am
- Bell-47
  
  ” it’s easy to despair for the truth. “We have entered an age of post-truth politics,” lamented the New York Times”
  
  I agree, especially when it come to the words out of Adam Shiff’s mouth. Lies, untruths and blatant fabrication of words put in the mouth of Trump, in front of congress. The man is a liar and a deep state stooge hell bent on taking down Trump. So blinded by his own lies he now sees them as truth.
  
  I, more than ever, now believe Trump will have another 4 years. The do-nothing democrats know this and are taking every possible opportunity to do exactly what the are accusing the president of. I hope he does get another 4 years just so we can all witness the apoplectic, screaming skulls cry about it all over again.
  
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  October 4, 2019 10:34am
  - stephieboy
    
    Bell-47,
    
    All False statements involving Donald Trump
    
    https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/
    
    Shall we go through these examples one at a time?
    
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    October 4, 2019 10:41am
    - Bell-47
      
      Did I touch a nerve? Seems so.. Politifact defies it’s own name when it come to bias. They are no better than CNN. You need to try harder young man. Your TDS is showing.
      
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      October 4, 2019 11:55am
      - All_on_Red
        
        It’s hilarious how morons on the Left hate Trump so much they end up defending a corrupt creep like Biden.
        
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        October 4, 2019 12:08pm
  - kowtow
    
    The NY Times would know all about post truth politics.
    
    Walter Duranty , Stalin’s apologist.
    
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    October 4, 2019 10:59am
    - stephieboy
      
      kowtow, yes that’s right but that was a long, long time ago!
      
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      October 4, 2019 11:57am
  - barnacle bill
    
    Not if this guy has anything to do about it..
    A Republican, no less.
    
    https://www.joewalsh.org/letter_to_congressional_republicans?utm_source=hs_email&utm_medium=email&utm_content=2&_hsenc=p2ANqtz-_HEYzxvJ4BRKUFSo20tyU
    
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    October 4, 2019 11:50am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Well, he doesn’t have anything to do with it.
      Fortunately, because he’s clearly ignorant of the Law and the rights POTUS has.
      He’s also misrepresenting the content and context of the call.
      Bit of a Dumbass really…
      
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      October 4, 2019 12:03pm
  - virtualmark
    
    Umm … Trump’s current problems can be sourced directly back to a rough transcript of a phone call *that Trump himself released*.
    
    And then Trump double-downed today *live on television* confessing to similar requests with China.
    
    Add to that the information Volker provided today, which is now publicly available.
    
    You’re a numb-nut if you think Schiff is fabricating these stories.
    
    But hey, you’ve chosen to strap yourself to the unhinged suicide bomber that is the current President of the United States. That guy is dissembling live on TV while we watch (check out yesterday’s press event with the Finnish president). When his vest explodes he’s taking you with him …
    
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    October 4, 2019 5:04pm
- chaos
  
  I want to give this a thumbs up for the excellent mod comment in it, but alas I’d rather just give it a thumbs down.
  
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  October 4, 2019 10:39am
- Swifty
  
  Mod – He hasn’t written anything original or worthy in the history of KB.
  
  Blockquotes or not, it’s extremely safe to assume any words he posts here are never his. It’s always worked for me.
  
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  October 4, 2019 10:54am
  - stephieboy
    
    Swifty, unlike many like you on KB at least I source my posts where applicable!
    
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    October 4, 2019 11:59am
    - Swifty
      
      What is a ‘high powered’ rifle?
      
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      October 4, 2019 12:42pm
      - mark15
        
        Swifty
        Like racism, the term means whatever you want.
        
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        October 4, 2019 3:10pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Uhuh
      Like ‘Celebjihad’?
      Youve got history of posting from that porn site.
      
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      October 4, 2019 12:51pm
    - Swifty
      
      You are a liar.
      
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      October 4, 2019 1:05pm
    - Michael
      
      Stephie
      Seeing as the Mods aren’t going to stop you abusing/stalking/being creepy to Maggie.
      I’m going to downtick you until they do.
      
      Your behaviour is unacceptable as is theirs.
      
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      October 4, 2019 1:55pm
- All_on_Red
  
  ‘“In a world where Donald Trump declares an audio recording of his statements etc’
  
  Err, ironically(and hardly a surprise since this is a StephiePost), this article is Fake news.
  There was no ‘audio’ recording of the Ukraine call.
  The Transcript was written by two Intelligence officers who wrote it as they listened to the actual call.
  
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  October 4, 2019 11:46am
  - stephieboy
    
    All on Red , the” audio” he was referring was on this link where the US was babbling on about” fake news”
    
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jul/13/trump-fake-news-fox-cnn-theresa-may
    
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    October 4, 2019 12:04pm
  - virtualmark
    
    There is no audio recording of Presidential calls with other leaders.
    
    There is a word-for-word transcript that’s prepared by stenographers. That has not been released (so far) for the Ukraine call.
    
    Then there is a memo summarising the call that’s prepared by people listening in to the call, and is distributed to Cabinet members etc. That is what has been released (so far) for the Ukraine call.
    
    Note that the call was 30 minutes long, and generous read of the *memo*, including time for translators, totals no more than 15 minutes. There will be a lot of extra detail in the actual transcript.
    
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    October 4, 2019 5:11pm
srylands

A mate of mine in Australia has more money than sense. He has three EVs including a plug in SUV. Of course he lives in NSW where almost all electricity is produced by coal. So that was a no go. So he has spent $30,000 on a series of solar panels and batteries to power his house and to charge his vehicles.

I pointed out that most of us don’t have circa $30,000 to blow on virtue signalling. 🙂
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October 4, 2019 10:25am
- JibberJabber
  
  Nissan Leaf ‘don’t buy’ warning ($33k battery replacement bill) | Auto Expert John Cadogan
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_zdtaJeYmw&feature=youtu.be
  
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  October 4, 2019 1:32pm
  - SGA
    
    That sounded extraordinarily expensive (AUS$33k), so I typed “how much to replace battery in a nissan leaf” into google. None of the prices I found seemed anything like that???
    
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    October 4, 2019 2:14pm
srylands

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/116317792/offduty-australian-police-officer-filmed-stoning-wombat-to-death

This guy is a cop FFS. Throw him in prison for 12 months. I think he would have a hard time inside.
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October 4, 2019 10:41am
Swifty

Can people tell me what to make of this please?

1. Use Google Images to search/look at ‘black couples’ and then ‘white couples’

2. Use Google Images to search/look at ‘gay couples’ and then ‘straight couples’

3. Then use Google Images to search/look at ‘pregnant white women’.

Notice anything strange?
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October 4, 2019 10:47am
- Bell-47
  
  Ah, the diversity quota is alive and well at Google. Evidence the place is infested with virtue signalling libtards.
  
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  October 4, 2019 11:50am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Easy. Black is the new black!
  
  Blacks for all occasions!
  
  Wierd, can I ask Jacinda if it is okay to be white in our new socialist utopia?
  
  Will there be any cameras around when I ask this question?
  
  Will it help if I wear a hijab?
  
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  October 4, 2019 2:33pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  WTF?? I just did the little experiment.
  
  Spoiler alert for people who can’t be bothered doing it: white couples and straight couples are mainly represented as mixed and gay/lesbian couples! Pregnant white women often with black partner.
  
  That is immensely biased, what crazy algorithm are they using to virtue signal like crazy?
  
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  October 4, 2019 3:04pm
Captain Mainwaring

Is anyone else struggling with the thinking of politicians who want to move Auckland’s port 200 kilometres in the opposite direction from where virtually all its business comes from but are dead against upgrading the road from Warkworth to Whangarei to four lanes?
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October 4, 2019 10:59am
- chaos
  
  Same politicians speak about climate change scam but want to do this, insane.
  
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  October 4, 2019 11:00am
- Bell-47
  
  That crossed my mind several times yesterday. The infrastructure required for the move just does not exist including the requirements of Whangarei as a city able to cope with the influx of people. Jones will be firmly behind this. He knows his tree planting exercise was a bust so having the port in his backyard buys him even more of the bone idle local voters. I cushy unionised port job for the cuzzies is a perfect match.
  
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  October 4, 2019 11:15am
- Classic Liberal
  
  When asked that, the COL answer is always ‘rail’. Don’t know how realistic?
  
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  October 4, 2019 3:05pm
- Nermal
  
  I suspect that the yuppies screaming for Auckland to lose its port facilities don’t include lower class families who depend on the industries the ports provide.
  
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  October 4, 2019 5:32pm
chaos

Looks like stuff are running distraction articles, wonder what will be dropped by labour this afternoon

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/116320535/new-zealand-prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-was-mistaken-for-a-secretary-in-her-early-career
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October 4, 2019 11:00am
- lilman
  
  This really is true.
  I guess when the person spoke to her they figured out she wasn’t a secretary.
  
  Not enough brain development.
  
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  October 4, 2019 2:02pm
- Ed Snack
  
  Well, she wouldn’t be so mistaken now. Secretaries are supposed to be competent…
  
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  October 4, 2019 2:14pm
  - sooty
    
    Well, she was carrying the coffees!
    So it was hard to tell.
    
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    October 4, 2019 3:55pm
Jack5

Labour opens the gates…

Winston Peters’ voters will be unhappy that the Labour Coalition is opening the door wider for refugees from Africa and the Middle East – more Muslims!

Radio NZ reports:

Immigration Minister Iain Lees-Galloway has announced as part of the government’s three-year refugee policy that it will get rid of the requirement for Middle Eastern and African refugees to have relatives already residing here.

The announcement has come just months before the refugee quota will jump from 1000 to 1500 for 2020.

This is a victory in part for Murdoch Stephens, leader or the “Doing our Bit” campaign to greatly increase NZ’s refugee intake.

He’s organised small demonstrations, and NZ’s Leftist media has published his opinion pieces. Murdoch uses the honorific, “Dr” , which relates to a Massey Ph.D. in ” on critical theory and climate change”. Stephens describes himself as editor of a small NZ “anarchist” publishing firm.

Murdoch has urged that white South African farmers be denied entry to New Zealand as refugees.

Here’s a link to an article on Murdoch’s view on South African farmers seeking refuge. The article’s publication is financed by Flick, the electricity retailer.

https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/22-05-2018/why-new-zealand-cant-accept-south-african-farmers-in-the-refugee-quota/
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October 4, 2019 11:23am
- LTA1955
  
  The Rainbow Republic is going “down” the same path that our Marxist champ Maduro is going:
  https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2019/10/03/venezuelas-maduro-to-install-chicken-coops-in-classrooms-to-fight-hunger/
  Dont blame the SA farmers looking for a better life.
  
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  October 4, 2019 1:34pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  People with double-barrelled surnames should never be allowed near the reins of power.
  
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  October 4, 2019 2:36pm
  - Jack5
    
    We’ll allow an ex~~cep~~senstion to that though.
    
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    October 4, 2019 4:22pm
    - Jack5
      
      State TV celebrating the opening of the doors to more Middle Eastern and African refugees, with a Somali activist and Castanada rabbiting on about NZ racism.
      
      But the only conclusion is that Judas Peters has caved in – again!
      
      Meanwhile, the real refugee discrimination continues – against Christians!
      
      https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/column/iraqs-christian-refugees-face-double-discrimination-3748
      
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      October 4, 2019 6:07pm
All_on_Red

So it’s looks like Adam Schiffs orchestrated fake WhistleBlower Complaint is going to finish off ole Creepy Joes Campaign.
As this Data shows, as his gaffes and lack of mental acuity became more prevalent his decline started.
Clearly dropping now, it’s just a matter of time before he’s out.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/2020_democratic_presidential_nomination-6730.html
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October 4, 2019 11:58am
- stephieboy
  
  All on Red, meanwhile something for you and the US President’s toadies to chew grass over,
  
  Fox Legal Analyst: Trump’s Behavior ‘Criminal And Impeachable’
  
  Judge Andrew Napolitano also warned Trump’s “Civil War” tweet is “a dog whistle to the deranged.”
  
  Fox News’ senior judicial analyst and former judge Andrew Napolitano doesn’t see a bright future ahead for President Donald Trump ― and his view of Trump’s recent past is even dimmer.
  
  In an opinion column published on the Fox website late Wednesday, Napolitano assessed Trump’s phone call with Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelensky on July 25, 2019, in which Trump asked Zelensky “do him a favor” immediately after mentioning U.S. aid to the country.
  
  Trump had ordered the aid withheld from Ukraine just days before the phone call, though it had already been appropriated by Congress.
  
  “That conversation manifested both criminal and impeachable behavior,” Napolitano wrote. “The criminal behavior to which Trump has admitted is much more grave than anything alleged or unearthed by Special Counsel Robert Mueller, and much of what Mueller revealed was impeachable.”….”
  
  https://www.huffpost.com/entry/fox-napolitano-trump-impeach-criminal_n_5d962e32e4b0f5bf79712dcb
  
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  October 4, 2019 12:10pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Chewed and spat out
    His opinion is wrong
    The poor ex Judge is getting slated for his wrong analysis too.
    Maybe you could sympathise with him about what that feels like eh
    
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    October 4, 2019 12:39pm
  - trout
    
    Napolitano has had a beef against trump from the get go; mainly because he was passed over for an appointment to the Supreme Court. The Judges prognostications have been debunked.
    
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    October 4, 2019 12:46pm
    - Michael
      
      He comes across to me as a “little man”.
      
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      October 4, 2019 1:58pm
  - Ed Snack
    
    It is reliably reported that the Ukrainians didn’t even know that the military (security) aid was being withheld. Bloody useless bit of leverage not to tell them !
    
    Schiff’s tweet from before he claims to have known about the WB complaint exactly mirrors (character perfect in it’s omissions of words and punctuation – almost impossible by chance) the misstatement of a Ukrainian government website that is contained in the WB complaint itself.
    
    That’s prima facie evidence that Schiff knew of and had seen the written complaint, and that dates to before the complaint was made to the IC IG. That makes the complainant not a “Whistleblower” but a leaker and in fact an inside spy. It also makes Schiff complicit in his spying.
    
    Schiff is potentially in legal peril over this.
    
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    October 4, 2019 2:21pm
  - virtualmark
    
    Man that’s a lot of turd polishing.
    
    Fox News hasn’t swung 100% behind Trump on this latest batch of problems. Lachlan and Rupert are covering their options now. That’s got to be a bad sign for Trump.
    
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    October 4, 2019 5:16pm
- chaos
  
  * House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff, who has played a leading role in investigating the Trump-Ukraine scandal, is facing questions about his own connection to a Soviet-born businessman who has raised money for his campaign and whose company has received lucrative defense contracts from Ukraine’s government.*
  
  https://www.foxnews.com/politics/adam-schiffs-own-ukraine-connection-comes-under-scrutiny
  
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  October 4, 2019 4:20pm
  - virtualmark
    
    Whataboutism much?
    
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    October 4, 2019 5:17pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    I think Trump has finally stopped playing tolerant with the TDS movement. I suspect a lot of Dems are being trapped. Their disloyalty is not just to the President but to the USA where government is being denied.
    
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    October 4, 2019 8:48pm
Straight arrow

Australian organisations are using (or variations) the following on websites.

“We acknowledge the Traditional Owners of country throughout Australia and recognise their continuing connection to land, waters and culture. We pay our respects to their Elders past, present and emerging.”

The Australian Medical Council goes further: “We recognise Aboriginal and Torres Islander peoples and Maori as First Nations peoples”.

Australian College of Midwives (ACM) also has a statement:
“The ACM would like to acknowledge the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander custodians across the nation on whose lands our midwives reside and work and honour the collective elders past and present.”

What have these statements got to do with delivering healthcare, or any service?

Obviously many local councils and universities also have this statement.
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October 4, 2019 12:28pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  “We recognise Aboriginal and Torres Islander peoples and Maori as First Nations peoples”
  
  They were a nation?
  Who knew?
  
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  October 4, 2019 2:31pm
  - Jack5
    
    “First nations” evolved in Canada as a euphemism for the Canadian Indians’ “bands,” which was a euphemism for “tribes”. “Bands” was used by the Canadian Government in administering land and State money for indigenous groups.
    
    “First” has good connotations to the entitled, while “bands” are mere rock groups.
    
    Nationalism bad, “first nationalism” good, seems to be the view of the Left, the PC, the woke.
    
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    October 4, 2019 4:33pm
rightoverlabour

Hmm Can historians remind us what totalitarian leaders did to the Universities?

https://principia-scientific.org/persecuted-professor-exposes-university-of-washington-hypocrisy/
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October 4, 2019 12:30pm
All_on_Red

PERVWATCH
A division of Groperwatch
Today a reminder about one of Kiwiblogs Creeps.
Yes, it’s STEPHIEBOY who has had Strikes for linking to porn sites on KB and constantly harasses women.

‘19,565 COMMENTS
stephieboy
Yesterday I was at the Robert Harris cafe St Lukes Megacentre , Mt Albert enjoying a cappuccino. I noticed next door three Muslim women enjoying their lattes with their children . Two of these honeypots .were wearing their Nijabs with stylish jeans and blouses . The other in more typical kiwi informal attire?
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‘Honeypots’!!!
And this;
Jack 5, recently i was at St Luke’s shopping mall and I saw a Muslim lady dressed in traditional apparel accompanied by her two beautiful young daughters dressed in modern western tight jeans and blouses , revealing lovely supple body proportions , including small but ample breasts .
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Wow, just wow.
PERVWATCH is brought to you as a public service to out the creeps amongst us.’
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October 4, 2019 12:43pm
- stephieboy
  
  All on Red, we know when you resort to that kind of puerility that you’ve lost the plot.
  
  Loser! ]
  Mummys says, “stop throwing your toys from the playpen naughty boy!
  
  ( brat!)
  
  LOL
  
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  October 4, 2019 3:02pm
- sooty
  
  Thank you for the public notice there AOR.
  Who would have thought that there was Labour
  Perverts trolling amongst us. Let’s hope that mods do the job they were appointed to and ban his arse so that the female posters feel safe to visit!
  
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  October 4, 2019 4:00pm
MrTips

Personal opinion only. TJ Perenara is a mouthy little shit who needs to shut up and focus on his game. I don’t give a shit what his wife, whanau, dog, cat thinks.

The AB back line are going to need RocketLab to catch his passes if he keeps going the way he is.
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October 4, 2019 12:51pm
- Michael
  
  Yes, they were a tad high I noticed.
  
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  October 4, 2019 2:00pm
Swifty

Jewish schoolboy forced to kiss the shoes of Muslim boy in Aussie:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/116327911/jewish-boys-taunted-in-shocking-cases-of-antisemitic-bullying-at-australian-schools

I hope, but not confidently, that this is a one off.
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October 4, 2019 1:03pm
- MH
  
  the shoe is on the other foot – but not for long.
  
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  October 4, 2019 2:52pm
- stephieboy
  
  Swifty, totally inexcusable!
  
  BTW Australia has a unsavoury history of antisemitism and Jew Baiting ,
  
  http://guides.naa.gov.au/safe-haven/chapter6/antisemitism.aspx
  
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  October 4, 2019 3:05pm
- rouppe
  
  It won’t be, because the Muslim boys who did it are not being punished in any way
  
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  October 4, 2019 6:26pm
JibberJabber

This has to be Poes law …surely?
If not Ocasio Cortez has serious competition.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4820891/we-eat-babies
With Democrats it is so hard to tell.
It takes a true loon to make AOC seem the sane one in the room.
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October 4, 2019 1:17pm
Maggie Pie

Did you know that if you say “GULLIBLE” slowly, it sounds like “ORANGES”
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October 4, 2019 1:37pm
Monique Watson

Woods at I killing morale. Expect higher power prices. What areaway clowns liking their tinkering with markets to a lever:

https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/116261780/electricity-reforms-will-take-pressure-off-monthly-power-bill-government-promises
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October 4, 2019 2:25pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  We can be sure that Woods will cause more mischief than provide solutions. What commercial experience do the COL have to guide business practices?
  
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  October 4, 2019 8:52pm
DigNap15

You want to watch Steve Bannan on Youtube talking about what Trump is doing to stand up to China.
China are trying to take over the whole world.
South China Sea, Silk road, Africa. They have huge shares in many western banks.

At least Trump is starting a fight back.
MAGA
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October 4, 2019 2:38pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Will this be the final nail in the coffin?

If I am reading between the lines correctly, something Nasty has occurred.

A Catholic bishop, involved in helping the Royal Commission into historic abuse in state care, has offered his resignation to the Pope.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/400289/royal-commission-catholic-bishop-offers-resignation
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October 4, 2019 2:53pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Uh-oh 🙂
  
  https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EF0a1pKWwAAG5Si?format=jpg&name=small
  
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  October 4, 2019 3:38pm
- MrTips
  
  Drennan inherited the mess created by Cullinane, ably assisted by Dew. Cullinane and Dew are the dumb and dumber of the NZ Bishops conference.
  
  My money is on media about to break stories about events during the tenure of Dew and Cullinane and Drennan has said “no thanks”.
  
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  October 4, 2019 5:04pm
- Straight arrow
  
  The Catholic Support Group for the Royal Commission into Abuse in Care is called ” Te Rōpū Tautoko” [the support group]. Main name used is Maori one.
  Why do they think calling it a Maori name helps? Were most victims Maori? It is not even a well-thought out name, as doesn’t describe what the “support group” is about. What happens next time they need a support group for something?
  
  I have no problem with an organisation having English and Maori names, but at least have them translations of each other, and descriptive of purpose.
  
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  October 4, 2019 5:16pm
  - kowtow
    
    Not even that many Catholic Maoris , but the church in NZ is woker than woke.
    
    Anyway the hierarchy are doing their best to distance themselves from their own people , or flock ,baa .
    
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    October 4, 2019 5:57pm
chaos

* A raft of internal NZ First documents have been leaked to the media and National, revealing internal discontent about the way the party ran the last election campaign and coalition negotiations.

The documents include minutes from electorate meetings, a formal complaint from several members in the Auckland branch about the way the election campaign was run, and email correspondence between NZ First’s Tracey Martin and a party member about coalition negotiations.*

Sadly it is pay walled

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12273731
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October 4, 2019 4:10pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  This seems to be the gist of it.
  “A raft of internal NZ First documents have been leaked to the media and National, revealing internal discontent about the way the party ran the last election campaign and coalition negotiations. The documents include minutes from electorate meetings, a formal complaint from several members in the Auckland branch about the way the election campaign was run, and email correspondence between NZ First’s Tracey Martin and a party member about coalition negotiations.T he papers show some were critical of Peters for planning to take legal action against National Party figures before coalition negotiation began and questioned what impact that had on Martin replied with an angry email, saying she was “deeply disappointed” by the comments. It is a very rare breach of the internal secrecy of the party and will be a blow to party leader Winston Peters.” It comes just a week before New Zealand First’s annual conference and days after its president, Lester Gray, resigned after citing concerns about the party’s handling of its donations and finances. Leaked emails reveal a standoff between party members and Martin. Members were upset about the fact Peters had filed to sue the National Party over their alleged leaking of his Superannuation information just one day before the 2017 election. A member sought an explanation from Peters as to how true and fair the Coalition negotiations were, given Peters was in the process of suing National while attempting to hammer out a deal to be in Government. None of us were aware of the papers filed by the Rt. Hon. Winston Peters because that was his private business and nothing to do with the formation of a government. None of us, particularly the Rt. Hon. Winston Peters, are that shallow,” the email went on to say. Martin also appeared upset at the implication that Peters conducted the coalition negotiations without seeking advice from his caucus. She also said she was “deeply offended” that members questioned not only the character of the Peters but had, by implication, suggested she, NZ First MPs and board members were puppets in these negotiations. Documented minutes of a party meeting in November 2017 show members levelling criticism at Peters. One member said New Zealand First needed to “come up with solutions and start a succession plan post Winston Peters”.Another said: “Resources for the campaign were not provided, no cogent policies, signs unreadable, distribution of sign issues, listing was confidential, no plan B (or even A) for Jacinder [sic]”. After the 2017 election, Helen Peterson – a long-time party member, who has stood for election three times – wrote a report titled “NZ First Concerns and issues regarding Election 2017” – she has been approached for comment. “A number of members nationwide have been extremely disappointed in the way in which the 2017 election campaign was handled,” it said.The documents reveal members felt the party’s list showed disrespect for hardworking, loyal, hardworking and long-serving members, and favoured candidates who had personal relationships with those who select the list placement. Members also complained the list process was sexist, as only three of the candidates in the top 18 were female. It also shows members thought the campaign was unorganised, lacked leadership and had no strategy. New Zealand First candidates were “for the most part unsupported” and given minimal mentoring or support by the board. “The extent and magnitude of the issues demonstrate how the party will remain a third party for the foreseeable future unless there is an enormous shift towards accountability, adherence to the constitution and respect for its members.” Asked for comment, a spokesman for Peters said the Deputy Prime Minister “has no comment and party related documents, if that is what this is, should be referred to the party for comment”. Martin have been approached for comment”
  
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  October 4, 2019 7:39pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Paywalled it may be, but as the NZ Herald presumably had no rights to it, neither can they claim copyright as to the content.
  
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  October 4, 2019 8:56pm
DaleK

Can anyone advise when the next political poll is due out? They seem to have very scarce over the last 6 months. Call me cynical, but does the fact that this shambles of a government has been performing so abysmally have anything to do with it?
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October 4, 2019 4:39pm
- DigNap15
  
  Ok Cynical
  You are just saying what many of us believe
  
  This is why I am thinking of starting my own polling conpany that will poll once a month on the same day regardless of news!
  
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  October 4, 2019 7:11pm
Straight arrow

PM Scott Morrison, Lowy Lecture, 3/10/19
“It is also an era of continuing security threats from terrorism, extremist Islam, anti-semitism, white supremacism, and evil on a local and global level.

“An era where pragmatic international engagement, based on the cooperation of sovereign nation states, is being challenged by a new variant of globalism that seeks to elevate global institutions above the authority of nation states to direct national policies.

“Of polarisation within and between societies.

“An era in which elite opinion and attitudes have often become disconnected from the mainstream of their societies, and a sense of resentment and disappointment has emerged.

“An era of insiders and outsiders, threatening social cohesion, provoking discontent and distrust.”
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“My grandparents grew up during the war to end all wars, where every neighbourhood knew the cost as 60,000 Australians were killed out of a population of not even five million; who then went on to endure the Great Depression, before backing up to fight to defend our freedom in the Middle East and the Pacific.

Those generations recognised the challenges of their time, and responded with a practical resilience, optimism and resolve, rather than the anxiety inducing moral panic and sense of crisis evident in some circles today.”

Some commentators are saying his speech was a significant one in terms of anti-globalism and climate change hysteria. It follows closely on from his UN speech.
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October 4, 2019 4:50pm
Maggie Pie

My partner was in ‘one of those moods’ when he walked in….said he was just listening to that useless Peter Dunne talking about “how much he agrees with this guvmint increasing the refuggee numbers allowing in even more asylum seekers from the Middle East and Africa”.
As he said, do they never give any thought to the poor bastards that this lot is slaughtering in their own countries – like the white farmers and christian minorities?
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October 4, 2019 5:29pm
- chaos
  
  Or the New Zealanders whose state house they will take
  
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  October 4, 2019 6:26pm
Odakyu-sen

For all you Thomas the Tank Engine fans, you will be happy to know that Thomas and James are alive and well, and living in Japan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUG29AdV0Nk

I am not joking.
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October 4, 2019 5:31pm
rouppe

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/education/116319987/petition-for-massey-uni-to-cancel-feminism-2020-gathers-steam

Once again the fringe community wants to control other people’s speech. If they don’t like the topic, don’t go.

I especially like the statement “but it wasn’t appropriate for them to hold it at a university, which was supposed to support transgender students.”

The university is supposed to support ALL students, a concept completely over the grasp of intersectional intelligence
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October 4, 2019 5:38pm
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  It’s particularly annoying when all people are required to pay taxes that support Universities and then students who are beneficiaries of those taxes think they can decide which group of people get to speak.
  
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  October 4, 2019 7:04pm
Maggy Wassilieff

BBC running a doco on Shia Clerics in Iraq organising “Pleasure Marriages” with young girls for cash.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/latestnews/2019/undercover-with-the-clerics
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October 4, 2019 7:12pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Islamic Shiite hole. Religious people can always torture their dogma to justify and rationalise abhorent behaviour.
  
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