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Maggie Pie

CRYBABY OF THE WEEK #2 – Gisborne Iwi

https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1179104321415331842
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October 2, 2019 8:03am
- Tall Man
  
  Seems the media now have clear instructions.
  
  Ignore any corruption by, near or within the coalition.
  
  Fudge any complaints of sexual abuse by, from or near anyone in the coalition.
  
  Attack old white men and anyone that looks like they may support, love or become an old white man.
  
  Continue to decry “white rights” in favour of brown, muslim, martian or any other “right”that is not available for said “old white men” and their supporters.
  
  Praise the most corrupt pm and cabinet ever seen in New Zealand ceaselessly.
  
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  October 2, 2019 8:25am
  - Jack5
    
    Our traditional media are abandoning their print investments, poisoning paid subscriptions by insulting huge slices of their customers.
    
    The strategy seems to be capture the young, with a corollary that you can’t appeal to both.
    
    The success of the strategy will depend on capturing advertising. So far there’s virtually no signs of success in that.
    
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    October 2, 2019 1:03pm
    - Akarak
      
      Most of today’s papers are now simply click and paste. The Horrids link with the NYT provides a steady flow of rabid anti-trumpism with no attempt whatsoever to give balance. To describe it as in-depth journalism is a joke!
      
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      October 2, 2019 1:30pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Perhaps the ‘British Officials’ could thereafter head to Hawaii for a nice stew, and to receive an apology.
  
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  October 2, 2019 8:26am
- Kabull
  
  This is a dreadful step. And why are such apologies always only one way? When will Maori apologies for the murder of settlers, which did occur – despite a wish to deny it.
  
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  October 2, 2019 8:41am
  - G152
    
    Firstly there a lot of apologies unsaid for the inter tribal wars that occurred.
    The taking of land and the reduction of the previous tribe to the status of slavery and a food source.
    Teaching NZ history should be mandatory and accurate
    
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    October 2, 2019 9:10am
    - Wangas Feral
      
      That part of NZ history will never be taught. Classical Maori society was one where maidens rode unicorns and all tribes lived in harmony with the moa and the trees – before white men came and ruined paradise.
      
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      October 2, 2019 12:09pm
    - MH
      
      open letter to Gisborne Herald 30 March 2017
      
      Reuben P. Chapple – 2 years ago
      The attack on Matawhero was not revenge, Dr Williams said.
      “It was utu. Utu is different from revenge. Te Kooti told his people to get off their horses and kneel on the ground to bless the people who died.”
      These murderers didn’t “bless the people who died”, they sang Psalm 63 which reveled in the killings. Then they ransacked the settlers’ houses, loaded their possessions on to carts and spent the next week drunk on settler rum and wine while the corpses bloated, rotted in the sun and were gnawed by pigs.
      I wonder what Jessie Wilson did to Te Kooti to deserve being bayoneted to death? She was three months old. Her mother was bayoneted 11 times in the arms and chest trying to protect her.
      I wonder what the one-year-old George Biggs did to Te Kooti to cause he and his mother to be shot and bayoneted to death?
      I wonder what one-year-old Nora Ellen Walsh did to Te Kooti to deserve beheading?
      I wonder what two-year-old Emily Jane McCullock did to Te Kooti to deserve being thrown up in the air and impaled upon a bayonet, then tossed from one bayonet to another?
      I wonder what four-year-old Edwin James Wilson did to Te Kooti to deserve being bayoneted in the back, along with his six-year-old sister Alice Wilson who suffered the same fate?
      I’m sure these children would be delighted to learn that their brutal, sadistic and painful deaths weren’t revenge but were utu which, of course, made it OK.
      Te Kooti was born in 1832, so he was eight when the Treaty of Waitangi was signed. He was brought up under British rule as a British subject, and was educated at British Mission School. He knew what was right and wrong.
      Utu be damned. Te Kooti was a drunken sadistic murderer, plain and simple.
      
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      October 2, 2019 12:15pm
  - kevn
    
    @Kabull… Murdering each other was the main modus operandi of the early settler maoris.
    They could apologise to each others tribes.
    
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    October 2, 2019 9:41am
    - sooty
      
      Give their land back too!
      
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      October 2, 2019 10:58am
  - MH
    
    https://www.hobsonspledge.nz/a_day_to_remember_95_innocents_slaughtered_in_nz
    
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    October 2, 2019 11:59am
    - GoVege
      
      Thank you for that, MH.
      Very interesting..and very sad.
      What a tragic loss of life of innocent children and hardworking farmers 150 years ago.
      Yet today we have to listen to a nauseating apology for 9 lives lost 250 years ago, to descendants who probably wouldn’t even be alive if it weren’t for Cook.
      So sad about the young MP elected to parliament but murdered before he even got to enter the house.
      
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      October 2, 2019 11:06pm
  - GoVege
    
    The British are wasting their time trying to appease certain malcontents among Maori.
    Maori have been treated better than any other colonized people on the planet…and that was said by a very prominent Maori leader.
    
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    October 2, 2019 7:09pm
- cmm
  
  Apologising for historical events 250 years ago using today’s values as a standard is complete bullshit.
  
  At the time you could get hanged for theft in most countries in Europe.
  
  At that time Maori were killing eachother for sport. If it wasn’t a fight over women or kumara it was because someone looked at you funny.
  
  This killing would have been considered fine by everyone involved at the time.
  
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  October 2, 2019 9:19am
  - igm
    
    Seems we also have another apologist in the form of Foon . . . gone from bad to worse.
    
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    October 2, 2019 9:30am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    “…it was because someone looked at you funny.”
    
    Still happens today in many gang-like societies around the world.
    
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    October 2, 2019 11:58am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      And South Auckland pubs as well.
      
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      October 2, 2019 12:46pm
      - WaveyDavey
        
        “gang-like societies”
        
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        October 2, 2019 5:13pm
- rangitoto
  
  On behalf of my British forebears, I retract the apology.
  
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  October 2, 2019 9:41am
- toby1845
  
  Hopefully this will spur Maori into making a public apology for the murders committed by members of the Maori Battalion in WW2, including:
  
  – the Greek policeman and two civilians who were bayoneted during the counterattack at 42nd Street in Crete.
  – the wounded German soldiers who were bayoneted in their litters, or tossed alive into burning ambulances, during the breakout at Minqar Qaim.
  – the Italians who were murdered while trying to surrender during the night attack on El Mrier Ridge.
  – the Italian POWs who were thrown off the cliff at Takrouna.
  – the German POWs who were crucified with their own bayonets at San Silvestro.
  – the German POWs who were shot through the head by a former ACT MP’s husband as they exited the cellar they had been trapped in.
  
  Once that’s done, they can apologise for the hundreds of Italian women they raped.
  
  Then they can explain how they came to be responsible for more than 50% of the serious discipline incidents involving soldiers of 2NZEF, despite being just 5% of the force.
  
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  October 2, 2019 11:46am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    “– the German POWs who were shot through the head by a former ACT MP’s husband as they exited the cellar they had been trapped in. ”
    
    I think you mean her father who did a lot of time for murder in Mt Eden.
    
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    October 2, 2019 1:31pm
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    I think it was former ACT MP’s father, not husband.
    I do not think the Geneva Convention ever applied to prisoners of the Maori at war.
    
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    October 2, 2019 1:35pm
    - GoVege
      
      I seem to recall the daughter saying that it was just one more killing for dad.
      Also that her family were so happy when they moved to the city, and for the first time had a telephone to ring the cops when dad attacked them.
      
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      October 2, 2019 6:56pm
    - toby1845
      
      Sorry but you’re incorrect. It was the ACT MP’s husband.
      
      Her father gave instructions before the attack that no prisoners were to be taken. A British liaison officer reported his comments back to Churchill, who demanded that Pita Awatere (oops, said his name) be court martialled. Freyberg got Awatere (oops) onto a plane back to NZ (via Egypt) before the MPs arrived.
      
      Awatere’s (oops) replacement, Sir James Henare, told me the story in 1988
      
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      October 2, 2019 10:35pm
    - toby1845
      
      Sorry, you are both incorrect. The future MP married the Second Lieutenant who murdered thePOWs, acting on orders given by her father – who was the Commanding Officer.
      
      The 2LT had the surname ‘Huata’: hence the double-banger surname used by the daughter.
      
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      October 2, 2019 10:42pm
- Justitia
  
  Do you want koha with that?
  
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  October 2, 2019 11:50am
- John Warren
  
  The deeply entrenched racism exhibited by Maoris towards Kiwis of European descent (which ironically includes most if not all of themselves) leaves me feeling marginalised and discriminated against in my own land.
  
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  October 2, 2019 7:17pm
Simon

Lost amid the coverage of Swedish teen activist Greta Thunberg at last week’s U.N. Global Climate Summit were the 500 international scientists, engineers and other stakeholders sounding a very different message: “There is no climate emergency.”

Climate Intelligence Foundation [CLINTEL], described the leading climate models as “unfit” and urged UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres to pursue a climate policy based on “sound science.”

The declaration made six points:
· “Nature as well as anthropogenic factors cause warming”
· “Warming is far slower than predicted”
· “Climate policy relies on inadequate models”
· Carbon dioxide is “plant food, the basis of all life on Earth”
· “Global warming has not increased natural disasters”

https://washingtontimes.com/news/2019/sep/29/scientists-tell-un-global-climate-summit-no-emerge/
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October 2, 2019 8:06am
- kowtow
  
  Lost ? More like suppressed by the MSM who are bent on the anti west , anti freedom , leftwing campaign that disguises itself as “environmentalism”.
  
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  October 2, 2019 8:23am
  - igm
    
    Suppressed by media and forced on little kids by sickly unionised teachers at the behest of our unelected unintelligent PM.
    
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    October 2, 2019 8:31am
- lastmanstanding
  
  Why pursue sound policies when you can have Global Government and rape and pillage the taxpayer to pay for it instead. And if your a scientist even an honest one you need to get grants to fund your research so you wont rock the boat and fight the hand that feeds you ( apologies for the double puns but couldnt resist it).
  
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  October 2, 2019 8:37am
- Positan
  
  Greta Thunberg was a coached puppet who fronted for a mass of corrupt, self-interested sources. Everyone, especially those who’ve let themselves be swayed by the nonsense of man-made global-warming, should view this very compelling piece:
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Jpk8Ix1CCg&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR0CwfpQeYIhjgMWWN1mc4ug3WHrObwsqibozRjd09TdEMsPD4nwRAkJTZE
  
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  October 2, 2019 8:41am
  - kevn
    
    Globalist (aka UN and JA) soros must be laughing at how ‘successful’ his disruptive input has been.
    
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    October 2, 2019 9:43am
  - Justitia
    
    Thanks positan. We need to call this evil out.
    
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    October 2, 2019 11:53am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Wow, I hadn’t actually watched her speeches before. She is a seriously bad actress! I expected some genuine emotion after all the MSM reporting, but she just looks and sounds totally fake.
    
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    October 2, 2019 3:05pm
- slightlyrighty
  
  What many people do not realise about Climate Change models is that there is a margin of error in all of these, and by the time you project out for 50 years, the multiplying effect of error on error is so great, leading to such extreme outcomes, that any conclusion would be essentially meaningless.
  
  You don’t need a scientist to debunk the hysteria. You need a statistician.
  
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  October 2, 2019 9:12am
  - Kabull
    
    You strike at the heart of it. Climate change alarmists operate through computer models, and not physical readings. Therefore their predictions will never come true because the climate is too complex to predict via models.
    
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    October 2, 2019 11:52am
  - Raphael
    
    Exactly, like WM Briggs
    
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    October 2, 2019 12:33pm
- bill ramsay
  
  This is too funny for words.
  
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  October 2, 2019 9:14am
  - kevn
    
    @bill… You are talking about the very first post of course?
    
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    October 2, 2019 9:44am
    - bill ramsay
      
      Yes, it’s the CLINTEL thing. when one of it’s main channels is via WUWT, and has Christopher Moncton, as a conduit, you do have to question its standing.
      
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      October 2, 2019 1:19pm
- RiP NZ
  
  Revealing how deliberately the MSM ignored this – a NZ scientist was part of the submission which would you’d think….generate some interest given our propensity to overstate NZers involvement in ….anything generally.
  
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  October 2, 2019 9:18am
- Bullion
  
  Climate change denialists are haranguing the media for not covering the group of 500 ‘prominent scientists and professionals’ who wrote to the UN saying there was no climate emergency. One of the group’s 14 ambassadors is Whale Oil’s former wine columnist.
  
  Of the New Zealand signatories, none appears to have a qualification in climate science, and for several of them, I can find no public record of who they are or what they do.
  
  This is a common tactic – get a bunch of ‘scientists and experts’ to deny climate change, ostensibly to undermine the scientific consensus, while purposely neglecting to mention these people have little to no expertise in climate science or even science in general.
  
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  October 3, 2019 2:38pm
krazykiwi

Propaganda in the letterbox this morning:

“Making progress on what matters — Labour”

I’m assuming that nothing matters, because there’s certainly been no progress on anything.
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October 2, 2019 8:12am
- Bill felt
  
  That can’t be right! There must have been some progress in the last 2 years? Anyone?
  
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  October 2, 2019 8:25am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    There’s certainly been progress in the area of meaningless inquries, and employment creation via working groups; just sayin’…
    
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    October 2, 2019 8:53am
  - Akarak
    
    Someone forgot to use the question mark.
    ‘Making progress on what matters? – Labour
    That’s better.
    
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    October 2, 2019 1:55pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  Paid for by Parliamentary services, disguised as a public information pamphlet?
  ie we, the tax payer, payed to have this con, perpetrated on us?
  
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  October 2, 2019 8:27am
- Swifty
  
  ‘Making progress’ is a weasel phrase for use when you’ve got no concrete accomplishments to point to.
  
  Nine years to plan, two years in govt and what have they achieved?
  
  ‘Oh we’re making progess…….’
  
  FFS.
  
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  October 2, 2019 8:34am
- jacob
  
  Got one of those too, it was ok as I already had a bucket left over from Jacindas UN speech last week
  
  Has Parlimentary services seal on it, so don’t worry, you paid for it
  
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  October 2, 2019 8:40am
- krazykiwi
  
  It is a nauseating read. A little fisking is in order.
  
  Claim: Unemployment down to the lowest level in 11 years
  
  Truth: “The unemployment rate has been mostly trending down since the global financial crisis in 2008,” labour market and household statistics senior manager Jason Attewell said. The unemployment rate for men was 3.9 percent in the March 2019 quarter, down from 4.4 percent last quarter. For women, it was 4.5 percent, up from 4.2 percent.
  
  So the general trend has been down over National’s time in office, and women’s unemployment has climbed over Labour’s time in office.
  
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  October 2, 2019 9:09am
  - Fletch
    
    Yep, and also underemployment across the country has risen to the highest level of all-time.
    
    At 11.8 percent, New Zealand’s underutilisation rate is more than double the unemployment rate. And it’s much worse for women, who are ‘underutilised’ – underemployed or jobless – at a rate of 14.5 percent, compared to 9.4 percent for men.
    
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/election/2017/08/unemployment-bad-news-nz-it-s-much-worse-than-you-think.html
    
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    October 2, 2019 11:46am
- srylands
  
  Wellington housing prices are progressing.
  
  There is lots of activity. The hundreds of working groups and workshops have provided lots of opportunities for consulting firms and experts. I guess that’s progress. All these people fly to Wellington and back on Air New Zealand. I guess that’s progress. Except the Koru Lounge is now like the black hole of Calcutta.
  
  Amalgamating all the polytechs. I suppose that’s progress. There is going to be a new cycleway to Petone. So I guess that’s progress.
  
  I guess “progress” is in the eye of the beholder.
  
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  October 2, 2019 9:13am
- Rich Prick
  
  Yet Labour can’t seem to sort out their own rape culture.
  
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  October 2, 2019 10:13am
  - igm
    
    But don’t you know, Ardern is adopting an Islam approach to the culture, as per her koran.
    
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    October 2, 2019 11:30am
rangitoto

Royals eco cred takes another hit:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7525757/Range-Rovers-shipped-UK-Africa-Harry-Meghans-tour.html

and Dutch farmers not happy

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49891449

Seems the globalists are picking on farmers all over the West.
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October 2, 2019 8:14am
- Colville
  
  Had a meeting with a chap a week ago…he delayed the meeting twice so in the end was 4 hours late.
  Turns out his Range Rover with 500kms on the clock had started leaking fuel and had to be fixed.
  Then it did it again!
  
  I drive a Toyota Landcruiser 🙂
  
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  October 2, 2019 9:22am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    You are very sensible Colville. There is a difference between a practical, reliable vehicle and a status symbol.
    
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    October 2, 2019 11:52am
  - Raphael
    
    reminds me of a bumper sticker I saw years ago on a Toyota Landcruiser: “Land Rover Recovery Vehicle”
    
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    October 2, 2019 12:36pm
krazykiwi

Here’s someone deserving of a Nobel:

In Ecuador, one woman has given shelter to over 8,500 Venezuelans

I’d put her towards the top of my list, a list which does include our PM (34,527th), and St Greta (56,758th)
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October 2, 2019 8:16am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  I see there is an OpEd in Stuff by an Iraqi immigrant taking Jacinda to task for wearing the hijab.
  
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  October 2, 2019 8:25am
- igm
  
  And our embarrassing unelected PM thinks she can pull it off because she wore muslim regalia and greased around them after something went wrong.
  
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  October 2, 2019 8:33am
KevO'Brien

An excellent collection of data. Also includes the Great Warming Scandal video:
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/global-warming-fraud-exposed-pictures
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October 2, 2019 8:18am
- Kabull
  
  Hats off to Tony Heller. He produces much significant destruction of the alarmist lies.
  I am presently reading Marc Morano’s Politically Incorrect Guide to Climate Change, and can recommend it to anyone who is interested in seeing how this whole debacle has developed, and how the UN elite are manipulating World leaders and influencers. I wasn’t aware that the IPCC reports are written not by scientists, but by political and bureaucratic types – Moran says that in many instances the full (scientific) part of each IPCC report is modified after the ‘political’ summary is produced so that the ‘data’ fits that political summary. The full story of the climate change movement makes it clear this is a deliberate ploy to lead into a single world government by scaring populations to the point where they become willing to accept any impost placed on their freedoms by a government.
  
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  October 2, 2019 8:51am
  - krazykiwi
    
    I wasn’t aware that the IPCC reports are written not by scientists, but by political and bureaucratic types
    
    That’s not quite correct. The scientific material is sourced from scientists, those being hand picked to support the narrative, and their work is peer-reviewed by others of the same leaning(s). The SPM (Summary for Policymakers) is written by policy wonks, and these documents are masterpieces of of spin, mixing part truths from the hand-picked science, with activist input, and sometimes even contradicting any of the science that does’t fit the narrative.
    
    This is fraud writ large. Future generations will wonder how we were so easily duped.
    
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    October 2, 2019 9:46am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      The reports, 1,000+ pages, follow along a year or so after the SPM, the policymakers political crafted document. The two do not necessarily agree.
      
      The Third Assessment Report TAR specifically stated that climate forecasting was not possible because they were dealing with a mathematically chaotic system where the tiniest changes in the input could produce the wildest results.
      
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      October 2, 2019 3:08pm
Tony Stuart

Great piece from Heather du Plessis-Allen on Newstalk ZB:

I don’t think we should for one minute tolerate what Shane Jones has just done.

It’s very easy to applaud him because he stands up for the provinces or give him latitude because he’s witty.

But what he’s just done is reprehensible and deserves no place in our parliament.

Shane Jones has now threatened revenge against whoever it was who complained to the Herald about his comments at the forestry awards evening.

He says he knows who went to the Herald and he’s going to “deal to them”.

“When the election comes around and the Cabinet restrictions have been loosened, then I am personally going to deal to these National Party sympathisers who thought that it was a smart idea to try and have me quivering in a corner by racing to the media,” he said.

“At the appropriate time, I will deal to them as a big-time, New Zealand First wrestler.”

That is not OK.

It is not OK for a minister in Cabinet to threaten utu.

He is one of the most powerful politicians in this country which means the impact that he can have on a single person or their business could be devastating.

I don’t know what he’s planning… he hasn’t been clear about it… but threats like that are intolerable.

Quite frankly, Shane Jones has run out of second chances.

His behaviour in this term along has been disgraceful. He has publicly rebuked the chair of the Warehouse group telling her how to do her job.

He has publicly rebuked the chair of Air New Zealand saying he’s ‘outlived his usefulness’.

He has publically rebuked Air New Zealand’s former chief executive Christopher Luxon telling him to ‘get back into [his] box’.

He’s publicly rebuked Fonterra’s then-chair John Wilson, telling him to resign.

Now he’s admitted he told the forestry awards audience to vote for him if they want billions in funding and when they complained about what they call bribery, he’s threatened them with utu.

Jones’ behaviour would not have been tolerated by previous governments.

Can you imagine Clark, Key or English making excuses for this kind of nonsense?

This doesn’t reflect well on either Jacinda Ardern or Winston Peters.

Ardern – because she clearly has no power or permission to reprimand him or stand him down

Peters – because he doesn’t seem to mind this kind of behaviour.

I don’t think we, the public, should tolerate this behaviour and this government should carefully consider whether it’s going to.

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/heather-du-plessis-allan-drive/opinion/heather-du-plessis-allan-shane-jones-has-run-out-of-second-chances/

I’ve reproduced this in full, because there’s barely a word of HDPA’s piece that I disagree with. It’s NOT ok for Jones to be threatening an individual or group of people. And it’s NOT ok for him to be so openly offering cash for votes.

Jacinda Ardern should sack Jones, as much for thumbing his nose at her “rebuke” on Monday as for his rant at the dinner itself.

But she won’t, because if she did, Peters would collapse the coalition. We know his history; he has yet to complete a full term as a Minister. Worse though, is that it would give Peters a lifeline, and that’s the last thing anyone needs!

So it looks as though Jacinda Ardern is stuck with Shane Jones, albatross-like, around her neck, stinking out the joint. That must make the National Party pretty happy.
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October 2, 2019 8:18am
- Michael
  
  He’s behaviour was corrupt.
  
  Jacinda’s response shows she’s not even a Part Time PM.
  NZF control the Government.
  
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  October 2, 2019 8:25am
- alloytoo
  
  It’s increasingly obvious that NZ1st and now more lately the Greens are wagging the dog?
  
  Why do we need Labour at all, not as if they do any actual work?
  
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  October 2, 2019 8:27am
- alex Masterley
  
  Without going into fine detail Jones’ conduct is that of a tin -pot dictator in an African or South American shit-hole.
  It staggers me how, apart from HDPA, the media seem to be ignoring this blokes conduct.
  
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  October 2, 2019 8:35am
  - fernglas
    
    Or indeed a North American shit-hole.
    
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    October 2, 2019 9:04am
    - ldypen
      
      I totally agree.. Canada is in a hell of a state as the poster boy PM screws it all up.
      
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      October 2, 2019 9:53am
      - igm
        
        Trudeau, Macron, Ardern . . . very similar in all aspects of incompetence.
        
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        October 2, 2019 10:51am
  - Swifty
    
    They’re scared of losing funding.
    
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    October 2, 2019 9:12am
  - Paulus
    
    He reminds me of Idi Amin !
    Overweight, Arrogant and totally Self Opinionated.
    But Ardern cannot do anything she wants.
    Both fools.
    
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    October 2, 2019 9:57am
  - igm
    
    Little still has control of journos unions, part of the agreement no doubt!
    
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    October 2, 2019 11:32am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I wonder what action Jones will take against Pat Cox:
  
  “Nobody at that function the other night did anything wrong and he’s coming out fighting like a mongrel. Well, tell him to put his boxing gloves on. I’m waiting for him.”
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12272720
  
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  October 2, 2019 8:35am
  - Tall Man
    
    Mr Cox should expect a visit by the enforcement wing of the coalition… Yes, the Police as he is posing with a firearm accepting a “challenge” from the pathetic jones. I am being serious here.
    
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    October 2, 2019 8:41am
    - Swifty
      
      More than likely they just nicked a photo off his social media – and chose the most provocative one.
      
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      October 2, 2019 9:23am
      - Tall Man
        
        That is certainly true but remember the response to a certain Russian’s son’s facebook face in Christchurch.
        
        Mr Cox has a firearm, he’s challenged a cabinet minister to “bring it on” so he will be under investigation as we speak. I guarantee it.
        
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        October 2, 2019 2:25pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Pat Cox is definitely not holding boxing gloves in that pic 🙂
    
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    October 2, 2019 8:50am
  - G152
    
    Shane should reconsider those threats of his.
    Hes not a young man and lives a sedentary life.
    
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    October 2, 2019 9:16am
    - Tall Man
      
      Sedentary?
      
      He is little but a lazy bludger giving nothing but taking everything he possibly can.
      
      Leech is too good a word for him.
      
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      October 2, 2019 9:05pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  So how many more scandals will this COL just bumble through before the average “Good Kiwi Bloke” wakes up to the arrogance and incompetence of these misfits playing at being in government? They have achieved fuck all besides tanking the economy. Not one of their election promises has been realised. Their flagship Kiwibuild policy doesn’t really exist in practice. Every metric they measure has got worse. It is beyond belief that Kiwis tolerate this.
  
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  October 2, 2019 8:36am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    ‘Good Kiwi Blokes’ didn’t vote for the CoL. Naive kids voted Green, and sexist women voted for Ardern just because of her gender. Add to that NZ First from grumpy old people and we have the pickle we’re currently in.
    
    Unless those sexist women decide to vote on merit rather on gender, we might be in for another round.
    
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    October 2, 2019 4:08pm
- Swifty
  
  Winston has a firm grip on Labour’s short and curlies and there aint nothing they can do about it.
  
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  October 2, 2019 8:39am
- lastmanstanding
  
  But the good news is she wont and that will give we of the Right yet another arrow to fire at the COL come Election 2020. Just keep reminding the swing voters of all the disgraceful behaviour of the COL for the past 3 years.
  
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  October 2, 2019 8:41am
- peterwn
  
  I suspect that Simon Bridges (with Chris Finlayson’s help) will be planning an unpleasant pre-election surprise for Shane Jones.
  
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  October 2, 2019 8:49am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Oh, please say it’s so!
    
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    October 2, 2019 9:47am
- RoboRob
  
  Yes, we have always known that NZF can do whatever they want with impunity in the current coalition govt. Yes punishng Jones could cause the goverment to fracture and so the NZF remain the albatross around Labours neck (not that they haven’t blocked some crazy policies mind you).
  
  This scenario is exactly the reason Key vowed not to work with Winston and why in some ways it was better that Winston took his Utu out on the Nats and choose Labour. NZF would be the exact same issue for a National goverment. Hopefully next election NZF will finally fade from politics for good.
  
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  October 2, 2019 8:56am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    I agree. As a card-carrying National Party member active within my electorate, I truly believe National dodged a bullet when Peters chose to go with Labour and Ardern. If National had won a fourth term, they would probably be in the wilderness for two-three terms post 2020. Instead, after one term in Opposition, we have a sporting chance of making the current coalition the first one-term government in almost 50 years.
    
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    October 2, 2019 9:37am
- srylands
  
  The Parliamentary Library in Australia produced an interesting publication documenting every case of an Australian Minister forced to resign over the last 50 years or so. What is striking is that a large number are for relatively minor offences. Two Ministers lost their jobs because they came back from an overseas trip and failed to declare goods over their duty free limit. There are also large numbers of dismissals for failing to declare relatively minor conflicts of interest.
  
  I don’t recall Ministers in either Australia or New Zealand openly vowing revenge on people for simply expressing a view.
  
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  October 2, 2019 9:03am
- Gravelroad
  
  It is no surprise that the Prime Minister is unwilling or unable to stand up to Jones.
  He is just one of several people now in high office
  who think they can say and do as they like with no consequences.
  Ms Ardern just does not have the leadership skills or experience to effectively lead the many difficult and conceited career politicians under her jurisdiction.
  Pulling faces, shouting sometimes, running publicity stunts with headscarves, wishing for globalisation and so on are welcome distracting side issues for the likes of Mr Jones.
  “The art of leadership is saying no, not yes. It is very easy to say yes.”
  A quote from Ms Ardern’s alleged mentor, Tony Blair.
  
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  October 2, 2019 9:03am
- pdm
  
  Jacinda is not allowed to sack Jones.
  
  He is Winston’s man and therefore only Winston can sack him.
  
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  October 2, 2019 9:20am
  - srylands
    
    Not technically correct but we know what you mean.
    
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    October 2, 2019 9:53am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Politics is verbal rough and tumble. For a Maori to express he is going to hold a grudge is proper. At least Jones says what he thinks. Pakeha may not say it but practice it.
  
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  October 2, 2019 9:23am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    It may be “proper” in Maoridom Kev, but Jones is highly likely to seek election in a general electorate next year (probably Northland or Whangarei), and Pakeha voters are likely to be far less tolerant of his excesses.
    
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    October 2, 2019 9:50am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Politics now seems in NZ like kindy compared to the 1950’s. Toughen up. The COL do their dirty work out of sight. That does not mean that they or their agents/supporters do not do it.
      
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      October 2, 2019 3:14pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  It’s entirely appropriate and completely accurate to call Jones a huge wanker. But that’s what it takes to be an NZF MP
  
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  October 2, 2019 9:36am
- krazykiwi
  
  I’m surprised DPF hasn’t blogged much on this one. It’s the type of corrupt political practice that would be at home in failed states … and yet we have it here.
  
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  October 2, 2019 9:52am
- Sacha
  
  Jones is the heir apparent to Peters. They are birds of a feather as my old Mum used to say, and to be distrusted and discarded. But she was an old country woman and could see through the glass very clearly. I like to think I have taken after her –
  
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  October 2, 2019 10:11am
- Aldousk
  
  “. . . give him latitude because he’s witty.”
  
  Witty? Really? Perhaps he has a very subtle style, and I have missed his witticisms.
  
  “Loquacious” seems to me to be more appropriate.
  
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  October 2, 2019 4:11pm
Maggie Pie

My partners mum tweets…

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFySb6XUUAAlWxe?format=jpg&name=small
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October 2, 2019 8:25am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Yep; 100% agree.
  
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  October 2, 2019 9:00am
Happychappy

What is the media becoming with headlines like this from Fran O’Sullivan.
‘Why Jacinda Ardern is a better bet for Noble Peace Prize than Greta Thunberg’. Surely the sex assault saga with the perpetrator apparently being a vital member of her office and someone she was reluctant to suspend would and should come back to haunt her should take the Prime Minister out of contention for such a valued award.
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October 2, 2019 8:28am
- tf78
  
  If per chance Cinderpants did wrongfully win this prize, as PM is she able to accept the money or would it have to be donated.
  
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  October 2, 2019 9:02am
  - sooty
    
    Bet she will trouser it!
    
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    October 2, 2019 11:12am
- RoboRob
  
  Becasue Fran, like a number of prominent other ‘journalists’ is a leftie Labour supporter through and through. Which is why so few in the media hold the current goverment to account.
  
  Remeber the promise of ‘NO people homeless in the first Winter’. Where were all the reporters during the second winter, remmeber they all used to go out and put people sleeping in cars on TV every second day in the Key goverment. Suddenly this issue is gone.
  
  When the Nats were in government, obesity, poverty and homelessness were peddled constantly as attack pieces. All of these things are now WORSE under our ‘progressive’ overlords but the Fran O’Sullivans and John Campbells of this world are now silent on these topics.
  
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  October 2, 2019 9:05am
  - srylands
    
    The homelessness situation in Wellington could become dire. Rentals in Wellington now exceed Auckland levels and will keep on climbing on current policy levels. I drive around Wellington and I don’t see new developments anywhere near enough to stop spiraling house prices.
    
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    October 2, 2019 9:56am
    - RoboRob
      
      Not surprising with the attacks on landlords and the forced increase of rental prices (minimum standards).
      
      But where are the ‘public interest’ stories about this. Left wing journalists are not interested in running negative stories and only do so when forced (i.e. the rape issue).
      
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      October 2, 2019 11:48am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Where are you going to put houses in Wellington?
      
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      October 2, 2019 3:15pm
      - srylands
        
        There is lots of land. West of karori. East of tawa. North West of plimerton. Don’t buy into this myth that Wellington has run out of land. You just need to fly over it to see it.
        
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        October 2, 2019 4:55pm
lastmanstanding

The accepted definition of Dumb is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

I refer to the Reserve Bank Australia cutting rates to 0.75% and the NZRB to 1%.

All this has done is reward borrowers and steer funds into every increasing risky investment and punish savers.

When the rate increase comes as it will the longer the low interest rates and the further the cuts the more the chaos.

What the central banks should have done is hold their nerve at around 2.5% to 3%. This would have resulted in savers getting a reasonable return, banks getting a reasonable return and borrowers paying a reasonable rate.

There is a always a natural balance and by distorting this balance the central banks have ensured there will be big problems ahead.

For me even though the savings rate is abysmal I am holding cash ready to take up the opportunities when the moment arises.

I do however pity mortgage holders and business borrowers who will feel much pain.
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October 2, 2019 8:32am
- Tall Man
  
  Ditto….. with the occasional foray into “Lotto” 🙂
  
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  October 2, 2019 8:38am
- KevO'Brien
  
  You sound sensible. Seeking yield by increasing risk is only for gamblers.
  
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  October 2, 2019 9:26am
RW Capitalist

Labour: How do you get an average economy?
You take a “rock star” economy and work DOWN from there.
Then make excuses as to
1. How it is someone else’s fault..(international conditions, [which were worse under National])
2. “Business’ just hate us”, when Business’ hate what YOU are doing, because it effects their bottom line and in some cases sends them to the wall.
Q: If international conditions are having such an impact, why are you not doing something to mitigate those? or are you just a reincarnation of Norman Kirk?
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October 2, 2019 8:38am
- RoboRob
  
  To be fair to the Green part of the goverment, reduced business activity, reduced technology, shrinking economies and populations are all part of the master plan. The Greens are actually succeeding with their policy goals.
  
  Essentially all of the environmental parties end game is significantly (50% ?) reducing world population and blocking technology advancement that might increase food / energy supply.
  
  If climate change was really the critical world ending emergency than surely the swift move from coal power to nuclear energy (whcih would fix the issue almost entirely) would be being pushed by all greenies. If the choice is the world ending in 11 years or having to store tiny amounts of radioactive waste safetly I know which I would choose. So why arent the greenies, because thats not really the end goal, it’s population reduction.
  
  End rant!
  
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  October 2, 2019 9:13am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    End goal: population reduction.
    
    Greens used to be quite open about that. It had a huge influence in the 70s, 80 and 90s on many people’s decisions about having children in Europe.
    
    (Btw, if Greta Thurnberg’s parents were really Green according to those standards, Greta would not exist.)
    
    Does the NZ Green party these days actually admit that population reduction is their goal?
    
    Any Green supporters who dare have children should be challenged on that inconsiderate and selfish choice.
    
    Come on, Greens: if anthropogenic climate change is destroying the world and a far lower population is the answer: don’t reproduce!
    
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    October 2, 2019 4:44pm
Hugh Pavletich

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NEW ZEALAND … QUOTABLE VALUE … SUBDUED HOUSING PRICES AS NEW HOME PRODUCTION (EXCEEDING AUSTRALIA) RAMPS UP …

High New Zealand house prices put a lid on traditional September bounce … Susan Edmunds … Stuff NZ

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/116234526/house-price-growth-subdued-in-new-zealands-main-centres

Salaries may have to catch up to house price growth before the property market can start booming again, new data indicates.

QV statistics for September show subdued prices around the country, which the property data firm said was probably due to house prices pushing the limits of what buyers could afford. … read more via hyperlink above …

… AS NEW HOUSING PRODUCTION RAMPS UP …

New dwelling consents were up strongly in Auckland, Wellington and (increasingly affordable) Canterbury in August … Greg Ninness … Interest Co NZ

https://www.interest.co.nz/property/101909/new-dwelling-consents-were-strongly-auckland-wellington-and-canterbury-august

The number of new homes being consented continued to gallop along at a healthy clip in August.

According to Statistics NZ, 3261 new dwellings were consented throughout the country in August, down slightly from 3420 in July but up 6% compared to August last year.

In Auckland 1407 dwellings were consented, up 8.4% on the same month last year, in Wellington 225 new dwellings were consented (+11.4%) and Canterbury shows no sign of slowing down with 511 new dwellings consented, up a whopping 29.7% on August last year (the chart below shows the trends in all regions). … read more via hyperlink above …

… WITH NEW ZEALAND NEW BUILD APPROVALS EXCEEDING AUSTRALIA …

Australia’s dwelling approvals crash goes from bad to worse … Leith van Onselen … MacroBusiness Australia

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/10/australias-dwelling-approvals-crash-deepens/

Annualizing the August figures and adjusting for different populations, the consent / approval rate per 1000 population per annum for Australia is about 6.03 and New Zealand about 7.93.

New Zealand’s August 2019 residential dwelling consenting / approval rate is therefore some 31.5% higher than Australia’s.
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- Hugh Pavletich
  
  WESTERN AUSTRALIA …
  
  One in three Perth homes selling at a loss: RP Data CoreLogic … PerthNow … h/t LM …
  
  https://www.perthnow.com.au/lifestyle/real-estate/one-in-three-perth-homes-selling-at-a-loss-rp-data-corelogic-ng-b881339361z
  
  Shock new figures show more Perth properties are selling at a loss now than in more than 20 years, with one in three selling for less than their purchase price.
  
  Statistics from RP Data CoreLogic show 36.1 per cent of all properties in the Perth metropolitan area sold at a loss in the June quarter, wiping a total of $166.5 million from their owners.
  
  It is the highest proportion of loss-making re-sales since RP Data started keeping records in 1996, The West reports. … view & read more via hyperlink above …
  
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  October 2, 2019 10:42am
  - RoboRob
    
    Accidentally clicked report (sorry), meant to click reply.
    
    If that becomes wide spread that is scary news. Thats a forerunner of another GFC.
    
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    October 2, 2019 11:50am
Maggy Wassilieff

Politicising the hijab
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/116195738/dont-let-jacinda-arderns-headscarf-send-the-wrong-message
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October 2, 2019 8:41am
- Tall Man
  
  Remember the UN speech and the little boy in Kilbirnie and not a single photograph of that “event”?
  
  Well look at the article and spot the “pose” ardern adopts when a camera is pointed at her. Media whore and nothing but artifice in her actions.
  
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  October 2, 2019 8:44am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    That was Jacinda Ardern’s Rufus Paynter moment. I wonder if any member of the media has the courage to call her out on it.
    
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    October 2, 2019 9:52am
    - sooty
      
      She will be pissed that she did not have the baybeee that day!
      
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      October 2, 2019 11:16am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  The Prime Minister wears a headscarf, intending to send a message, but others will interpret this act as sending a different message.
  Unless you can control and regulate interpretation, then you cannot control the message you intend to send.
  
  One way of reducing the risk is to operate in a homogenous society that shares the same values and outlooks on life.
  Unfortunately, in New Zealand, one group of people will interpret the headscarf-wearing in one way, while another group interpret the non-verbal message in a completely different way.
  
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  October 2, 2019 8:54am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    The author of the article has experienced what it means: Islamist totalitarianism. Our PM is supporting the Islamist oppression of women.
    
    “Having grown up in 1970s secular Baghdad, my earliest childhood memories are peaceful and hijab-free.”
    “And then came the pivotal year of 1979. …Islamic revolution in Iran, the seizure of the Grand Mosque in Mecca, and the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. The ensuing decades saw my liberal childhood world vanish.”
    
    “When I finally left Iraq in 2006, only a few safira (uncovered) girls and women dared to be seen in the streets. They were subjected to harassment regularly.”
    
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    October 2, 2019 4:57pm
- niggly
  
  Politicising the hijab … to the detriment of women.
  
  Doesn’t Jacinda realise she is partaking in the oppression of Muslim women and girls?
  
  Hmm Jacinda the Oppressor … seems about right.
  
  (When you consider what she and the COL have done – oppressing the energy sector, oppressing law abiding gun owning citizens, oppressing farmers etc)!
  
  Anyway the article author Ali Shakir is right, there was perhaps a time and place for her to do so (Christchurch aftermath), but not now please Jacinda as it making life uncomfortable for some of our NZ Muslim citizens.
  
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  October 2, 2019 8:58am
  - stephieboy
    
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    niggly, many Muslim women consider the hijab as a fashion statement,
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQeg5fXjPII
    
    “Hmm, Jacinda the Oppressor … seems about right.” ??
    
    Who cares!
    
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    October 2, 2019 10:10am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Stuffy supports the hateful oppression of women. He’s totally unaware that throughout the islamist world women are desperately seeking liberty from misogynist laws and garments.
      
      The Left has completely turned: against free speech, against liberty, against equal rights for women, against dealing with its own in-house rapists, against working class people setting up small businesses without endless red tape and high taxes, against small Mum and Dad investors scraping together a few savings for retirement.
      
      Thanks Stuffy, you keep demonstrating exactly why the Left has lost the plot.
      
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      October 2, 2019 5:06pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Ardern is storing up trouble for herself. Pretending to concur with Muslim religious requirements has to be taken as her promoting the Muslim beliefs. There will be consequences.
  
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  October 2, 2019 9:31am
- stephieboy
  
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  MW, mere opinion expressed there. Her intent I believe was to show respect and express solidary with the Muslim community in their time of grief and sorrow on 23.03/19
  
  Didn’t cost the PM politically a thing. In fact, enhanced it!
  
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  October 2, 2019 10:27am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    You didn’t read the article, did you stephieboy?
    
    Ali Shakir is referring to Ardern donning the hijab at
    Zayed College.
    
    But when I saw photos of her recent visit to Zayed College for Girls in Mangere, I couldn’t help but cringe.
    
    Enough with this disguise game, please, an inner voice screamed in protest.
    
    The impact of iconising the hijab went beyond my Iraqi and Arab acquaintances in Auckland. Laila, my Malaysian friend, said: “I wholeheartedly sympathise with the victims’ families and friends, but I cannot possibly bring myself to wear the headscarf again.”
    
    and
    I hope the next time Jacinda Ardern feels tempted to appear in a headscarf, she takes a moment first to consider that she could well be sending the Muslim girls of New Zealand, and the world, the wrong message.
    
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    October 2, 2019 10:51am
    - sooty
      
      As usual stephie goes off half cocked!
      
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      October 2, 2019 11:18am
    - stephieboy
      
      MW, sending the wrong message?
      
      Mere opinion!
      
      I very much doubt it. A great many Muslims like my neighbours have become secularised and do not and never have worn hijab or other traditional attire.
      
      That is a fact of life replicated multiple times in our diverse multicultural society
      
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      October 2, 2019 12:48pm
  - The King
    
    So you’re saying a massacre of muslims in NZ was very good for the PM.
    
    Interesting.
    
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    October 2, 2019 11:56am
  - DigNap15
    
    Not with me.
    It just made me want to puke even more.
    
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    October 2, 2019 12:10pm
    - stephieboy
      
      DipNap15 , puke till your heart’s content.
      
      As if sane or reasonably minded people care!
      
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      October 2, 2019 12:51pm
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        “As if sane or reasonably minded people care!”
        
        Surely you’re not putting yourself in either of those categories!
        
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        October 2, 2019 3:49pm
  - chaos
    
    No putting on a symbol of oppression is not sharing your sorrow and grief.
    
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    October 2, 2019 12:50pm
Cobolt24

A New Zealand Trump party?

http://www.trump.org.nz
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October 2, 2019 8:41am
- RoboRob
  
  Don’t be fooled.
  
  Well about from the website being from the 80s, if you remove the word Trump from it and read the actuall policies its essentially the Labour / NZF party. Seriously if you looked at the Labour / NZF policy lineup pre election it is that list.
  
  p.s. I am not saying Trump is right wing, I don’t think he is a classical right wing politition.
  
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  October 2, 2019 9:21am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Robobob, then what is a” classical rightwing position”
    
    Richard Nixon?
    
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    October 2, 2019 10:07am
    - RoboRob
      
      In my book a classical right wing position is low / light weight government, personal freedom, fiscally sensible and free trade.
      
      On some of these I think trump scores well, like his lowering of regulations. However US government is spending is out of control with debts increasing as fast of faster than Obama. Trump seems anti free trade and feels the government should be deciding what is and isn’t a good deal. There are more (and there were already a lot of) tarrifs comming in daily.
      
      Don’t get me wrong, I like some (maybe most) of his policies, I just see him more centerist rather than right wing. He was after all Democrat supporter for some period of time.
      
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      October 2, 2019 11:59am
- MCos
  
  What?
  Is he coming out here after he get’s chucked out of the presidency?
  
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  October 2, 2019 9:22am
  - rangitoto
    
    He’ll be too old in 2032.
    
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    October 2, 2019 9:56am
igm

Shows how low and deceitful Fairfax have allowed their disseminators of lies to go:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/116224978/the-wave-is-rolling-and-it-wont-be-stopped
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- stephieboy
  
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  ign, from your link the opening lines,
  
  “OPINION: The wave is building that will sweep Trump from power. And if it doesn’t, well, the thing about waves is that they keep coming.”
  
  Seems bang on to me!
  
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  October 2, 2019 10:03am
  - chaos
    
    Well you know if Stephie believes it the it is utter crap.
    
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    October 2, 2019 12:47pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Truth must prevail otherwise the USA is finished. The Dems cannot govern all they can do is lie their way into a possible self demolition.
  Do the people benefit by elected “representatives” fighting among each other for power?
  Calling it an obstruction of justice when someone attempts to protect themselves from dubious unlawful attacks is in itself an abuse of the highest order.
  
  When Justice takes a “day-off” the people suffer.
  
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  October 2, 2019 11:13am
Maggie Pie

Word of the day….

APERITIF : French for a set of dentures.
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October 2, 2019 9:02am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Heard this yesterday:
  I took a bath in milk last night
  I got into the bath and the wife started to pour the milk in
  Pasteurized? she asked
  I replied, No up to my waist aught to be enough!
  
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  October 2, 2019 9:26am
- krazykiwi
  
  ESPLANADE: To attempt an explanation while drunk.
  
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  October 2, 2019 9:35am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Tu es drôle.
  
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  October 2, 2019 9:37am
  - Tricati
    
    Le plaisir est la dernière chose que nous avons jusqu’à ce que le gouvernement le taxe ou l’interdise.
    
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    October 2, 2019 10:08am
- Tony Stuart
  
  The Twelfth Man, in his pisstakes on the Channel Nine cricket commentary team sometimes referred to a Pakistani player by the name of Aqib Mateethinajarbesidethebed 😀
  
  He also had opening batsmen Heza Hazbeen and He Neva Waz, Hedrivez Fastcarz, Neva bin Behindbars, and the wonderfully named Mohammed Hasabigun!
  
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  October 2, 2019 9:59am
  - DILLIGAF
    
    I think you mean the 12th man, Billy Birmingham.
    You also left out:
    Ahmeddim adda Gaybar
    G. Whatawankar
    Hal Fadozen Marsbars
    
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    October 2, 2019 11:55am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      I did indeed; duly edited!
      
      On the subject of Billy Birmingham, he caused a bit of a stir with the Kiwi league team he named a couple of years ago – https://soundcloud.com/12thmanhq/nz-2016-test-team-changes
      
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      October 2, 2019 12:39pm
  - Random Punter
    
    Not to mention Pakistani great Zaheer Abbas and his brother Doubledeck.
    
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    October 2, 2019 6:23pm
  - Humble Capitalist
    
    Wada Umeen Wazi
    
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    October 2, 2019 11:09pm
- MH
  
  upper set.
  
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  October 2, 2019 10:41am
oldpark

Gold Card holders treated like second class citizens says Peters. He would know, as he is talking about his self,and the disgraceful way he treated his Gold Card holders at the last election.
Flashback . When Bill English as PM with National legislated for tax cuts for Superannuants to the tune of almost $40 per week ,Peters Party supported the legislation.
Surprise not really. As soon as he got enough votes from his mentioned Second Class Gold Card supporters and voters,he turned maverick and shafted his loyal Gold Card supporters .
Yes he and the rest of his Party. The Peters Party overturned the legislation with the help of his selected gang to run NZ. Labour/Green Party .
Heard him and M/s Martin big noting about the revamped so called Gold Card. Fancy that. Not a mention of the circa $2000 Dollars gouged from Superannuants. One would have to spend a lot of money hoping to save the so called 5% on their purchases to match the $40 per week entitlement that Peters and his gang denied, as Peters mentioned yesterday the Second Class Citizens who hold Gold Cards and maybe once his loyal supporters who he saw fit to shaft.
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October 2, 2019 9:05am
- mandk
  
  As a senior, I can’t express how underwhelmed I am by the gold card relaunch.
  
  Give me National’s tax cut any day.
  
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  October 2, 2019 12:41pm
srylands

This is pathetic as an Editorial from a leading newspaper. It is like it was written by a teenage activist.

“So the men in white coats will have to take him away. And as they come for him Trump will try to destroy everything around him, because a world that rejects his self, that throws him from office, literally cannot exist. All this, according to the psychiatry textbooks, is inevitable. What a joy it will be to watch. And it’s starting now.”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/116224978/the-wave-is-rolling-and-it-wont-be-stopped
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October 2, 2019 9:19am
- John Warren
  
  Look, it’s the sozzled opinion of an elderly alcoholic queen. Joe Bennett loves a bit of hyperbole.
  
  I notice that Stuff haven’t turned on comments for this one.
  
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  October 2, 2019 9:50am
- Gravelroad
  
  Yeah srylands – read that and thought it must have been written by a precocious, know all, disrespectful intern.
  Turns out it was written by a precocious, know all, disrespectful senior socialist.
  
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  October 2, 2019 9:54am
  - Jack5
    
    Joe Bennett is entertaining when he writes about himself and his dog and life in general, but Trump sets him off. He’s so angry about Trump, Joe’s the one who’s barking.
    
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    October 2, 2019 10:39am
- Jules99
  
  Can’t wait until Trump wins 2020. Watch the liberal tears flow. Mind you, I doubt Stuff will be around by then.
  
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  October 2, 2019 10:45am
- Nermal
  
  They know he was democratically elected, and will be again in 2020, and all they’ve got is wishful thinking. However, just saying it will happen don’t make it so
  
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  October 2, 2019 4:12pm
Komata

Maggie Pie@0902

Nah luv; a pair of teef is wot you wear when all y’real teef ‘ave gawn; y’ get’em for a tanner down at t’ Pawn.

Don’t need no frogs to make wif all dem fancy words…
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October 2, 2019 9:26am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Does anyone remember the episode of Steptoe and Son where Albert was making a pie, and crimping the pastry around the edge with a pair of second-hand chompers?
  
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  October 2, 2019 10:01am
Happychappy

A good column from the Spinoff.
Business confidence is at it’s worst level since the financial crisis and interest rates cuts aren’t doing the job. The Government needs to step up, writes Kiwi Bank chief Economist Jaerod Kerr.Business confidence is crumbling in two survey’s out this week firms have highlighted weak capacity constraints, Government uncertainty and poor pricing power as reasons to be worried.
https://thespinoff.co.nz/business/02-10-2019/interest-rate-cuts-havent-fixed-sinking-business-confidence-so-what-now/
So where is this Government and it’s Leaders getting the information to rubbish continuing data that shows they are going in the wrong direction.
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October 2, 2019 9:43am
John Warren

Fine:

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/400095/iwi-to-receive-message-expressing-regret-for-maori-killed-in-james-cook-meeting

But will Maoris be reciprocating with an apology for the massacre and barbecuing of the crew and passengers of the Boyd?

Or the ten men from Cook’s “Adventure” whom they killed and ate in Queen Charlotte Sound in 1773?

Or going back to the year before that, the murder and consumption of Marion du Fresne and 26 of his crew?

Or Abel Tasman’s four crew?
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- stephieboy
  
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  John Warren,
  
  A bit more complex than you seem to suggest.
  
  Some background on the Boyd incident/massacre
  
  “In December 1809 the sailing ship Boyd was anchored in Whangaroa Harbour, where it was to pick up a cargo of timber spars. It was attacked by a group of Māori who killed most of the crew and passengers in retaliation for the captain’s mistreatment of a young local chief, Te Ara, who had sailed from Sydney on the Boyd.
  
  The Boyd incident
  
  This was the most violent clash between Māori and Europeans since the attack on Marion du Fresne and his crew in 1772. The incident had far-reaching effects. It delayed the establishment of the first Christian mission in New Zealand, cemented a view of New Zealand as the ‘Cannibal Isles’ and challenged the notion that Māori were ‘noble savages’.
  
  European whalers avenged the attack, killing many Māori and sparking intertribal warfare in the region. The incident also provoked vigorous debate among officials in New South Wales about how to maintain order in New Zealand….”
  
  https://nzhistory.govt.nz/culture/maori-european-contact-before-1840/the-boyd-incident
  
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  October 2, 2019 10:19am
  - John Warren
    
    I know the history, Stephanie. I have the late Wade Doak’s book on the Boyd. So the boy gets a few lashes, par for the course on board a ship in those days, for either some petty thievery or refusing to work because he was a chief’s son (accounts differ) and the retaliation is massacre and cannabilisation of dozens of innocent people? Stephie’s good with that?
    
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    October 2, 2019 11:07am
    - stephieboy
      
      Whatever!
      
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      October 2, 2019 1:12pm
    - Swifty
      
      Yep, John, he is totally fine with that – as evidenced by his response to you.
      
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      October 2, 2019 4:09pm
      - Classic Liberal
        
        ‘Whatever’ is Stuffy’s teenage response on KB, because he can’t think of any actual arguments. He then slams his door with the ‘Don’t Enter’ sign and turns up his music *loud*!!
        
        Until he comes out for the next feed, insults anyone who crosses his path and leaves the fridge door open. Oh, and splashes pee around the loo and doesn’t flush.
        
        That’s Stuffy.
        
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        October 2, 2019 5:30pm
- Jack5
  
  A stupid precedent by Britain. Feeding the apologies monster.
  
  But will Taranaki Maori apologise for the pre-Treaty genocide committed in the Chatham Islands, and for the enslavement of Moriori people, for which current taxpayers have paid compensation?
  
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  October 2, 2019 10:31am
  - Jules99
    
    Wasn’t it a condition of payment that they have an ‘agreed narrative’ where Maori are innocent and the white man was telling lies.
    
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    October 2, 2019 10:47am
  - srylands
    
    I’ve said it before but if the French had colonised New Zealand things would have been grim. And if it was the Spanish they would have set out to exterminate all Maori.
    
    By the standards of the time Cook was benevolent.
    
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    October 2, 2019 11:13am
  - stephieboy
    
    Jack 5 , a little background on the Chathams,
    
    Invasion by Taranaki Māori (1835–1868)
    
    In 1835 some displaced Ngāti Mutunga and Ngāti Tama, from the Taranaki region, but living in Wellington, invaded the Chathams. On 19 November 1835, the brig Lord Rodney, a hijacked[30] European ship, arrived carrying 500 Māori (men, women and children) with guns, clubs and axes, and loaded with 78 tonnes of potatoes for planting, followed by another load, by the same ship, of 400 more Māori on 5 December 1835….”
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moriori
    
    As you can see it was not the “Taranaki Maori I nor did the Maori generally support the invasion and genocide of the Moriori Polynesians
    
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    October 2, 2019 1:12pm
    - Jack5
      
      Stephie X posts: ” … nor did the Maori generally support the invasion and genocide of the Moriori Polynesians”.
      
      How would they have known at the time? No newspapers, no news agency, no radio, no TV, no polling firms.
      
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      October 2, 2019 2:07pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Just some late white histerians providing the current PC narrative.
        Can we have out Waitangi Settlements money back please. We will take a mortgage.
        
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        October 2, 2019 3:22pm
      - sooty
        
        Smoke signs, underwater telephone, moonbeam
        
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        October 2, 2019 3:32pm
      - Jack5
        
        That’s right Sooty, they must have had Maori radio.
        
        How else would they qualify for getting a share of New Zealand’s wireless spectrum?
        
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        October 2, 2019 5:25pm
    - Kiwi Dave
      
      Stephieboy, I gave you an uptick because factual information is better than mere opinion, but then wondered about that euphemism, ‘displaced’. How had they been displaced and by whom? Why did they decide to leave the yet-to-be named Wellington region? When did they cease to be “Taranaki” Maori?
      
      Questions such as these, mutatis mutandis, which can be asked about much of NZ prior to 1840, make me somewhat sceptical, even cynical, about apologies and compensation for historical injustices.
      
      Sooty: you omitted the 5G network which apparently was a taonga from those days.
      
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      October 2, 2019 6:01pm
  - GoVege
    
    Of course Maori will never apologize to Moriori for murdering and enslaving them.
    A few years back the Moriori took Maori to court over the genocide.
    The Maori response was to tell them they beat them “by conquest”.
    
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    October 2, 2019 7:05pm
    - John Warren
      
      I remember that. But if we whities tell the Maoris that, well…
      
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      October 2, 2019 8:54pm
Maggie Pie

I’m sure there must be tons of others like me here that are just sooo over the current series of MAFS. Honestly, its pathetic!

The amount of time they spend on the travails of that nasty vicious gay couple Jono & Ray, has become humiliating and tedious 🙁

As my partner remarked after last nights episode, “If they dont just pull the plug on themselves and leave, the Producer needs to show them the arse card”
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October 2, 2019 10:08am
- Martin Williams
  
  Yet you are glued to the telly, Maggie.
  
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  October 2, 2019 10:37am
- Jules99
  
  I don’t watch TV so I was wondering what have the Ministry of Ag and Fish have got to do with a gay couple.
  
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  October 2, 2019 10:48am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    You mean a couple of Trevs?
    
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EEA31WMU8AES_gF?format=jpg&name=360×360
    
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    October 2, 2019 11:46am
- John Warren
  
  Maggie, you’re even watching it?
  
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  October 2, 2019 11:09am
- chaos
  
  I’m watching the block au, more drama filled, especially when the gay couple try to set up a another couple by trying to blame the shows creator for something, ah more gay hissy fits than I’ve seen in my life
  
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  October 2, 2019 12:44pm
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I’m looking forward to the reaction on Kiwiblog to the Nobel Prize giving!

If Jacinda Ardern does not receive a Nobel Prize: loud and deranged shouting that she’s a lightweight, ordinary, incompetent, the devil incarnate etc.

And if Jacinda Ardern does receive a Nobel Prize: loud and deranged shouting and the complete collapse of the forum into an orgy of blinking, toothless impotence.
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October 2, 2019 10:42am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Jacinda hasn’t got a snowballs! Even the person who invented knock-knock jokes would be a lot more deserving 🙂
  
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  October 2, 2019 11:54am
  - kowtow
    
    Were knock knock jokes invented because there was Nobel ……
    
    I’ll get my coat.
    
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    October 2, 2019 1:28pm
- Jack5
  
  Poster “Martin Williams” attacks those he disagrees with as deranged and aged, and then seldom sticks around for a debate.
  
  Lefties, though many are old, have an obsession with the young, especially the females, as the Labour Party youth activities hi-jinks show.
  
  Yet the “Martin Williams” poster’s hero, Jacinda Kate Laurell Ardern, is a middle-aged unmarried mother. She’s no chicken.
  
  If youth is going to be a key to the Nobel Peace Prize, the disturbed Swedish child will win hands down.
  
  It’s hard to see how the Norwegian committee could award a joint prize to middle-aged Jacinderella and the sickly child from Sweden . What has global weather to do with the PR mumbo jumbo “we are one” (is it multiculturism or is it assimilation)?
  
  In the unlikely event that Jacinderella does win over youth, our NZ socialist leader will be among some interesting company in the Leftist Nobel Peace Prize winners, such as:
  
  – Aung San Suu Kyi – we are not one with the Muslim Rohingya.
  
  – Asser Yarafat.
  
  – Al Gore.
  
  – Le Duc Tho, butcher of tens of thousands of non-communist Vietnamese, and even of purged Communist Party members. Le Duc Tho subsequently rejected the prize, saying such “bourgeois sentimentalities”were not for him. (A precedent: perhaps Jacinderella could be awarded the prize and turn it down in favour of the little Swede.)
  
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  October 2, 2019 12:55pm
  - Jack5
    
    The poster “Martin Williams” style and tactics are very similar to those of the poster “Sam Green”.
    
    The licence that DPF gives us to use pseudonyms creates interesting pairings.
    
    I’m not alone in linking aspects of posts by “The King” to those of the fabled, entertaining, bad and banned “Kea”, a mischievous bird who loved string puzzles.
    
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    October 2, 2019 1:47pm
- Tall Man
  
  Either way martin, you’re still an idiot and ardern is a liar, here and overseas.
  
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  October 2, 2019 2:47pm
Sacha

This arrived on my Facebook feed in a group that I belong to. I thought it might help some KB commenters to understand what is driving this young person, whether or not they agree with the political sentiments. And how her condition is being exploited so effectively. The writer also has Aspergers –

“Greta has Aspergers. In some countries, that term is outdated and is simply called Autism. She has stated more than once that climate change is her special interest and has been for years. A special interest for someone with Autism isn’t just “oh, I’m going to ask a few questions about this and believe whatever I am told.” It’s more of a “I”m going to research the hell out of this and info-dump on whoever will listen.”

She has stated that this has been her special interest since she was 8 or 9 (I think?) and that means she has put years of obsessive levels of research into the subject and probably has, at the very least, the equivalent of a graduate student’s (masters degree) level of knowledge on the subject. She’s managed to get the world to listen when she info-dumps on the subject.

To put into context, watching rock climbing became a special interest of mine in 2019. At this point, with only a few months of research, and most of it being watching competition climbing, not reading up on it, not only can I tell you the top 12 female and male competition climbers in the world this year, but I could do so back to 2012.

I can also talk your ear off about various climbing methods, what the different holds are, the equipment needed, the best outdoor climbs in the world, the terms and phrases used, a basic history from the 18th century onward. I know and am able to compare 3 of the grading systems (for difficulty) used regularly for bouldering and lead climbing and know the basics about other grading systems.

On top of that, I can list, off the top of my head, notable first ascents in free climbing, free soloing and deep water soloing including the location, name of the climb, name of the climber and year in which they did the climb, for the past 30 years.

All of that when my special interest has been specifically for competition climbing (the type they’ll do for the Olympics next year) and I’ve only had that interest for a few months.

Take someone like Greta, whose special interest has lasted 6-7 years, and no, she’s not being fed the knowledge. Trying to feed information to an autistic person about their special interest just wouldn’t work. You would have to cut off all other sources of information – no libraries, no internet, no letters or emails, magazines, scientific journals, research papers, news, TV, etc – and then you would have to convince them that you are the be all, end all, most reliable source of information on the subject and you would have to be able to answer every question they had (without contradicting any earlier statements you made or from previous research they had done before you cut them off) and your answers would have to be logical.

You cannot feed information in drips and drabs to an Autistic person on their special subject so that they only speak with your voice saying what you want them to say. Unless you are the world premiere authority on the subject, chances are, when an autistic person latches on to a special interest, they will have more knowledge on the subject within a matter of weeks or months. If they’ve invested years, as Greta has done, there will be very few people indeed, who know more about the subject.

As for not being scolded by a child… Autists tend to have very black and white thinking, and on a subject like climate change, that becomes enmeshed with moral thinking. The fact is, human behaviour is changing the climate and that is going to have an impact on future generations.

She has a right to be angry and she has the right to express that anger. Using her age to invalidate those emotions is no different than a misogynist saying women are too emotional to be leaders and have opinions of their own. In this case, it’s ageism, sexism and ableism she has to fight against to be heard.

Yes, I’m probably biased in her favour since I’m autistic as well, but the fact of the matter is, her science is correct and her emotions are valid.

I’d like to introduce a bit of empathy into this discussion as well, with all this talk about her being hateful, dramatic and overly emotional.

She’s a 16 year old girl who is so passionate about her special interest that, when given a chance to share her voice, has taken the opportunity to do so. That doesn’t change the fact that this entire year has probably been incredibly overwhelming for anyone, let alone someone with Autism.

During that speech I saw a girl who has spent months in new and uncomfortable situations, trying to speak, trying to be heard, and listening to world leaders mouth empty platitudes about the changes they should make all the while complimenting her to her face and perhaps criticising her to the media.

I saw a girl getting frustrated and angry after a year of managing to keep it together under international scrutiny.

If you’re an introvert, imagine trying to cope with what she has coped with in the past year, then multiply that intense amount of sensory input by a thousand and ask yourself if you wouldn’t have a moment of tears and anger?

Hell, I can’t even do 8 hours of enjoyable socialising with friends outside my home without having a shutdown for the entire evening and most of the next morning.

That wasn’t drama or being hateful. That was an Autistic girl managing to hold off an Autistic meltdown or shutdown after waaaaaaay too much sensory input and stimulation. She probably knew how close she was to meltdown and went onstage anyway. That took a hell of a lot of courage.

I couldn’t do it. I would’ve been backstage, curled up in a ball, crying my eyes out, screaming in frustration. And I’m considered “low support needs” (aka, “high functioning” for people who use outdated terminology).

From my perspective, that speech was someone stretched to breaking point using all their strength to hold it together.

I admire her more than ever after that. It’s not something I could do.”

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October 2, 2019 10:52am
- MH
  
  doesn’t say much for her parents. Outcome=nutter.
  
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  October 2, 2019 11:37am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Geta Thurngerg is not a” nutter.” nor her parents.
    
    History’s 30 Most Inspiring People on the Autism Spectrum
    
    Though autism did not become the mainstream diagnosis it is today until well into the 20th century, it is certainly not anything new. Indeed, history is full of people who many consider to be or have been somewhere on the autism spectrum. Like the 30 people on this list.
    
    Famous Autistic People in History
    Dan Aykroyd – Comedic Actor
    Hans Christian Andersen – Children’s Author
    Benjamin Banneker – African American almanac author, surveyor, naturalist, and farmer
    Susan Boyle – Singer
    Tim Burton – Movie Director
    Lewis Carroll – Author of “Alice in Wonderland”
    Henry Cavendish – Scientist
    Charles Darwin – Naturalist, Geologist, and Biologist
    Emily Dickinson – Poet
    Paul Dirac – Physicist
    Albert Einstein – Scientist & Mathematician
    Bobby Fischer – Chess Grandmaster
    Bill Gates – Co-founder of the Microsoft Corporation
    Temple Grandin – Animal Scientist
    etc, etc
    
    https://www.appliedbehavioranalysisprograms.com/historys-30-most-inspiring-people-on-the-autism-spectrum/
    
    As you can see Greta is in good company!
    
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    October 2, 2019 12:36pm
    - cmm
      
      Once again stephie, just picking one of her traits and making as if that is everything.
      
      It is not her autism that makes her a “nutter” but the various disorders.
      
      You may as well focus on her having sailed the Atlantic and grouped her with other people who have sailed the Atlantic.
      
      She has OCD and eating disorders. That are “disorders” aka mental illness.
      
      But be that as it may, she is being exploited as a mouthpiece.
      
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      October 2, 2019 2:14pm
  - Jack5
    
    Of interest, Greta Thunberg’s mother, Malina Erman, singing in the 2009 Eurovision contest (Greta doesn’t let her mum fly or eat meat, some internet sources claim):
    
    https://youtu.be/xE9Pl3mqRbo
    
    The lyrics are pretty mundane:
    https://www.lyricsmania.com/la_voix_lyrics_malena_ernman.html
    
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    October 2, 2019 2:00pm
- The King
  
  Imagine trying to sell this horseshit to non-believers.
  
  Imagine going to all this effort/concern post.
  
  Facebook is cancer.
  
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  October 2, 2019 11:47am
- stephieboy
  
  Actually, Aspergers Syndrome is now known as Autism Spectrum Disorder ( ASD ) and is on the higher functioning on the spectrum scale!
  
  However a much-needed overview of ASD which could usefully correct the abysmal ignorance and prejudice on KB regarding ASD. ( formally Aspergers Syndrome )
  
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  October 2, 2019 12:35pm
  - chaos
    
    No, nothing will change the ignorance and prejudice you have. And I would place money that there are few people on this site that have Aspergers, and I am one of them
    
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    October 2, 2019 1:44pm
    - Tony Stuart
      
      My son was diagnosed with Aspergers chaos, and has done really well in the area where his interest borders on obsessive. In hindsight, I probably had features of Aspergers as a child as well, but the diagnosis was not available at that time. My behaviour was attributed to me being a cheeky little shit!
      
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      October 2, 2019 1:50pm
      - chaos
        
        yeah, that’s the funny thing isn’t it, these things just were thought of as just a peculiarity when I was a kid, it was a little latter as a young adult it was picked up by my gp. Even my niece was 17 when it was picked up with her.
        
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        October 2, 2019 2:09pm
      - Tall Man
        
        “cheeky little shit”…..
        
        Nothing changed then 😉
        
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        October 2, 2019 2:46pm
      - Tony Stuart
        
        Nope 😀
        
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        October 2, 2019 3:48pm
      - Jimmy the Brush
        
        Hey Tony, exactly the same with my son and myself as a child in the 70s.
        
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        October 2, 2019 3:02pm
    - stephieboy
      
      chaos, interesting! In your particular case, it helps to explain many things about you!
      
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      October 2, 2019 2:12pm
      - chaos
        
        Still making personal attacks against people huh.
        
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        October 2, 2019 3:06pm
      - Swifty
        
        Vile.
        
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        October 2, 2019 3:43pm
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Stuffy is unbelievably vile indeed, but this is very typical of Leftards now: one moment they are SJWs busily virtue signalling on an issue, then when it suits them they turn 180 degrees and attack the same people:
        
        Stuffy virtue signals like crazy about Aspergers/autism and how ignorant KBers are, then personally attacks people right here who have Aspergers.
        
        Labour virtue signals about sexual violation, then doesn’t properly deal with sexual attacks within its own party.
        
        Jacinda virtue signals about women’s rights, then wears a hijab at a girl’s school instead of standing up for freedom.
        
        It’s just incredible to watch this unfold.
        
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        October 2, 2019 5:57pm
    - Sacha
      
      As I understand it, there are degrees of autism. After reading the post, I went back and looked at the video again, and it seemed to me that this Particular child could well be at the far end of the spectrum where she would have become obsessed with the subject.
      As the writer says – she would have been compelled to discover as much information as she could, whether or not it was accurate, and she may not be able to evaluate its worth. However, she ‘knows’ what she knows, and maybe that is all we are seeing.
      The worst part of this is that she is allowed to be so exploited in front of the whole world.
      And thanks for the down ticks! It’s pity I can’t know who you all are, and thank you by nom de plume!
      
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      October 2, 2019 3:45pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    ASD and Aspergers are not co-incident. Asperger’s is a subset of the autism spectrum. A person can be high functioning in one area and useless in other basic ones.
    Greta is a paid trained seal so no diagnosis is needed.
    
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    October 2, 2019 3:37pm
- krazykiwi
  
  No, she didn’t research. Instead she found volumes of information that supported the alarmist cult narrative which was spoon fed to her by her parents. Confirmation bias is not limited to adults.
  
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  October 2, 2019 12:58pm
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Indeed.
    
    But the fact that they have two daughters is very strange. If her parents were truly Green in accordance with European ideals, they would not have had children at all.
    
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    October 2, 2019 5:59pm
- Fletch
  
  Yet, the person speaking would not be able to rock-climb at all. Would have no practical knowledge of it. Ditto for Greta, who I also suspect has ignored every piece of research which runs counter to the narrative she has been told.
  
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  October 2, 2019 1:05pm
- chaos
  
  This is worth posting again
  
  Top 10 Reasons Why Greta Thunberg Is a Fraud
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Jpk8Ix1CCg&feature=youtu.be
  
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  October 2, 2019 2:11pm
- Tall Man
  
  I don’t give a shit what her motivations are and I very much doubt she has the equivalent skills of a grad student.
  
  She a self entitled annoying little nutjob that is being directed by self serving and grasping crooked adults.
  
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  October 2, 2019 2:44pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  I have an MSc in Palaeclimatology. The post states “probably has, at the very least, the equivalent of a graduate student’s (masters degree) level of knowledge on the subject.” I call bullshit on that. For one thing no one can see CO2. “According to her mother Malena Ernman (48), 16-year-old Swedish climate activist Greta Thunberg can see CO2 with the naked eye. She writes that in the book ‘Scenes from the heart. Our life for the climate’, which she wrote with her family.” I doubt she could pass a secondary school Physics exam.
  
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  October 2, 2019 6:19pm
Cobolt24

Govt considers scrapping old cars to modernise vehicle fleet
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/400118/govt-considers-scrapping-old-cars-to-modernise-vehicle-fleet

I’d prefer they wouldn’t, it’d just bump up the price of second hand cars.
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October 2, 2019 11:08am
- sooty
  
  Sure will. But this is the COL, remember!
  Not a brain between them!
  
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  October 2, 2019 3:27pm
srylands

This is getting out hand. The media is celebrating a 81 year old woman who now refuses to fly to Australia to visit her sister because of climate change. It is a tragedy that this elderly woman is depriving herself of family connection. Hell she could have offset her travel emissions by paying $10.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/wellington/116204371/transport-planners-grappling-with-disconnect-between-travel-demand-and-emissions-problem
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October 2, 2019 11:09am
- srylands
  
  BTW you will all have noticed the tick box on your Air New Zealand portal where you can offset your emissions by contributing to forest planting. Or something.
  
  Now with the current ground swell of concern you would expect that box being ticked. But no. Less than 4 percent of passengers tick the box. So everyone wants to reduce emissions. Except when they are asked to pay for it. Even a few dollars.
  
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  October 2, 2019 11:21am
  - rangitoto
    
    Thats because most people know it is nonsense.
    
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    October 2, 2019 11:54am
  - Shut the hell up you Fascist!
    
    It’s called ‘the Bell Curve’
    
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    October 2, 2019 11:57am
    - Pharmachick
      
      LOL – thanks got an actual laugh-out-loud moment out of that (thank god I have a private office!)
      
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      October 2, 2019 1:37pm
      - sooty
        
        Are they only public servants?
        
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        October 2, 2019 3:25pm
- chaos
  
  Perhaps she isn’t flying because the health insurance cost more than the flight over and back
  
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  October 2, 2019 12:40pm
MH

Is it not fitting or deliberate that of all the present and past Treaty Ministers representing the Crown (substitute taxpayers of all races) that they have to be whitish and a bit fawning. One cannot have a brown face handing out pardons, IOU’s, reparations, apologies and full and final certificates to other brown faces because that would be like double dipping and institutionalised bias and send a confusing message to young people borrowing from Peters to pay Parker. At least it confirms stereotypes. Pass the macrons, thanks.
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October 2, 2019 11:15am
MH

more fake news, Capt Cook did not land in NZ it was all done in Pinewood Studios, London.
Trump has yet to make an offer for us.
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October 2, 2019 11:21am
RW Capitalist

https://www.national.org.nz/bumbling_govt_has_killed_business_confidence
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October 2, 2019 11:59am
DigNap15

Will Maori apologise for giving NZ such a bad name with tourists for crime
And for giving NZ the stats of the worst country in the world for child abuse
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October 2, 2019 12:13pm
- Jack5
  
  Child abuse is rife and despicable, but, DigNap15, be wary of the claims “NZ is the worst in the world for X”.
  
  If you dig, you seldom find such a claim substantiated.
  
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  October 2, 2019 1:42pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  Yes Jack5, it’s not apples with apples when few countries have anti-smacking laws and our fairly aware Police force.
  
  Same with domestic violence or rape. Would a woman report domestic violence in a country where they would laugh at her and tell her to read sura 4:34? Would a woman report rape when laws against adultery could have her flogged or imprisoned?
  
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  October 2, 2019 6:15pm
mark15

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/10/01/dutch-farmers-in-mass-protest-against-green-fascism/

Lets do this!
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October 2, 2019 12:22pm
- The King
  
  Farmers rise up!
  
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  October 2, 2019 12:32pm
  - MH
    
    me jackets already yellow from cows pissing over it. Viva la revo…….BANG
    
    me guns gone so I make loud noise and point finger= never miss
    
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    October 2, 2019 1:50pm
- krazykiwi
  
  From the article:
  
  The protests – the equivalent of France’s Gilets Jaunes – have widespread support from the Dutch people
  
  Support, yes … but not enough to elect a sensible government. In this case the farmers are reaping what others have sown.
  
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  October 2, 2019 12:51pm
- stephieboy
  
  mark15 ,” Let’s do this!”
  
  Carry on….??
  
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  October 2, 2019 12:53pm
- Swifty
  
  Beautiful.
  
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  October 2, 2019 4:12pm
jonnycomelately

Sarah was in the fertilized egg business. She had several hundred young pullets and ten roosters to fertilize the eggs. She kept records and any rooster not performing went into the soup pot and was replaced. This took a lot of time, so she bought some tiny bells and attached them to her roosters. Each bell had a different tone, so she could tell from a distance which rooster was performing. Now, she could sit on the porch and fill out an efficiency report by just listening to the bells.

Sarah’s favourite rooster, old Butch, was a very fine specimen but, this morning she noticed old Butch’s bell hadn’t rung at all! When she went to investigate, she saw the other roosters were busy chasing pullets, bells-a-ringing, but the pullets hearing the roosters coming, would run for cover. To Sarah’s amazement, old Butch had his bell in his beak, so it couldn’t ring. He’d sneak up on a pullet, do his job, and walk on to the next one. Sarah was so proud of old Butch, she entered him in a Show and he became an overnight sensation among the judges. The result was the judges not only awarded old Butch the “No Bell Peace Prize” they also awarded him the “Pulletsurprise” as well.

Clearly old Butch was a politician in the making. Who else but a politician could figure out how to win two of the most coveted awards on our planet by being the best at sneaking up on the unsuspecting populace and screwing them when they weren’t paying attention? Vote carefully in the next election. You can’t always hear the bells.
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October 2, 2019 1:06pm
rouppe

I found this an interesting read.

I doubt Jacinda Adern will read it, though.
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October 2, 2019 1:09pm
- Tall Man
  
  Too many words but I’ll bet she’s had the photos blown up already for the nursery…..
  
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  October 2, 2019 2:34pm
Bob R

People who are concerned about Mayor Phil Goff cancelling events that conflict with his political views should support the Free Speech Coalition. The High Court has appeared to ignore the evidence showing the lack of evidence to support a safety threat warranting the cancellation of an event last year. The police weren’t aware of any threats. They need support to go to the Court of Appeal.

https://www.freespeechcoalition.nz/dr_david_cumin_s_analysis_of_the_rfa_litigation
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October 2, 2019 1:14pm
- Tall Man
  
  I have contributed and urge others to do so.
  
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  October 2, 2019 2:33pm
Swifty

Inside the Hypocritical Mind of a BBC Correspondent // The Dalai Lama

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ywsavjutbb4
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October 2, 2019 1:26pm
- stephieboy
  
  Swifty, Laura Towler inspiring this kind of rubbish responses,
  
  J
  Jack Parsons
  3 weeks ago
  
  Lady Britannia has manifested herself to the world.
  
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  TimesThree
  3 weeks ago
  I may be wrong but is there a legend that says when England is in need the most the Lady of the Lake and King Arthur will arise again? If so. She is the Lady of the Lake reincarnate we need to look for King Arthur now. By the way I’m an American but my Ancestral homeland is the British Isles. I want the British, Welsh, English and all other peoples of the Isles to exist on those isles and in control.
  
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  Train Kelby
  
  Beautifully said …
  
  etc, etc, etc
  
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  October 2, 2019 2:01pm
  - Swifty
    
    Yesterday you mentioned ‘high power rifles’.
    
    Please define ‘high power’.
    
    Or are you just talking shit again?
    
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    October 2, 2019 3:20pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Or are you just talking shit again? Redundant word
      
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      October 2, 2019 5:18pm
  - Swifty
    
    I notice you didn’t address the point of the vid.
    
    Wanker.
    
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    October 2, 2019 3:22pm
cmm

There are really stupid people in the world.

In Rotterdam they now have a floating dairy farm to improve sustainability. Huh?

It uses less land. Does it really? The cows still need to be fed and the feed is still being grown on land.

In Holland it makes more sense to scrape together another island than it does not make a feedlot barge out of steel etc to float the cows on. Anyone that looks into the energy required to make the barge could tell you that.

It reduces the distance the milk has to travel to market. Well done, but it increases the distance feed has to be carried. And feed weighs much more than the milk, so they’ve really made the food miles worse.

But back slaps all round. Greta will be happy and can allow herself to drink milk again.
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October 2, 2019 1:33pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  The Greenie solutions seldom calculate it all out. Greta sails over, but crew from her boat fly home. Virtue signalling Greens drive an electric car and we need more coal for the electricity. No more plastic bags at checkout, so dog owners buy brand new plastic bags for the poop. Vegans think they are saving the planet, eating soy from the US or China, while NZ farmland is being wasted with tree planting when it’s perfect for meat.
  
  But as you say: it’s all about the virtue signalling back slaps.
  
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  October 2, 2019 6:25pm
Maggie Pie

My partner popped home for lunch earlier and to be honest, when this appeared on the Herald website, he just about chocked on his Krispy Kreme!

The ‘shiny-arse brigade’ sitting in their plush Wellinton headquarters strike again –
no wonder they cant attract anyone with half a brain these days to join the Police! With idiots like this calling the shots why would you want to? 🙁

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12272906
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October 2, 2019 1:49pm
- chaos
  
  I will always remember when I lived in Auckland, neighbours heard something so went out to see who was out there. One neighbour rather obese, in just underwear chasing someone down the road with the police helicopters lights on him. Ahhh, fun times.
  
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  October 2, 2019 2:13pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Ever since they moved their chopper base out south somewhere, we hardly ever see a cop in Remmers any more. Youve only got to watch Police Ten7 these days to realise theyve become nothing more than taxi driving social workers patrolling the Free-Range Asylum thats now Auckland 🙁
    
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    October 2, 2019 3:20pm
    - chaos
      
      Police ten 7? I thought Wellington paranormal was a more realistic cop show.
      
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      October 2, 2019 5:20pm
    - Tall Man
      
      And “punishing” those who don’t believe in ardern’s unicorns.
      
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      October 2, 2019 8:54pm
Swifty

Sam Harris – Criticisms of religion:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_cNizqDGNs
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October 2, 2019 2:02pm
- stephieboy
  
  Swifty, not so sure about that but he definitely appears to be making somesense here ,
  
  Responding to the White Power Movement in the United States (Making Sense with Sam Harris)
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aHlR_TyyhQ
  
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  October 2, 2019 2:08pm
Jack5

I am surprised that our poster, The King, hasn’t brought this to Kiwibloggerites attention.

We are in the Jewish New Year. Jewish year 5779 ended last Sunday.

Apparently some Jewish folk think the year count is wrong, and by as much as 200 years.
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October 2, 2019 2:40pm
Maggie Pie

Julie-Anne Agenda…

‘First, we came for your guns.
Now, we’re coming for your cars.’

[tbh though, it would be good to get all those old-bangers off the road
in the likes of Mt Roskill etc] 🙂
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October 2, 2019 3:07pm
- chaos
  
  Old bangers on the road? Isn’t it best to put a banger on bread with tomato sauce? Oh wait has the government banned that yet? Or do you mean the old drug ridden bangers on k road? No bread and sauce can make them taste nice
  
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  October 2, 2019 4:40pm
- kowtow
  
  And your cows , and free speech ……..
  
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  October 2, 2019 6:51pm
Swifty

These poor, poor people – can’t even afford to put clothes on their backs:

https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=ssEny_1569940921

(Ok for work)

It’s all the fault of the damn white man!!!!
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October 2, 2019 3:27pm
Swifty

BREAKING NEWS!!!!!

Older man urgently sought by Police in relation to strange goings-on at St Lukes Mall, Auckland.

https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=aIgQg_1569805216 (Not ok for work)

Citizens are urged to remain vigilant and help locate this deviant.

🙂
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October 2, 2019 3:33pm
- Inandout
  
  A stale pale ‘White Russian’ as well.
  
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  October 2, 2019 6:14pm
WaveyDavey

Serious question about NZ history for you all

My partner’s son is early-30s incredibly bright, talented and immensely successful in his career (rich and good-looking to the b*stard)

We were discussing what he knew about NZ’s history in the C19th along with his wife.

I was educated in forces schools in various parts of the world as well as the UK.

I was amazed to find out that this smart young man and his medical professional wife knew none of the following re Maori history:

Maori infanticide, the fact that captives had their tendons cut so they didn’t escape, that pits were dug to contain their human food, that there is a place called Human Meat on the SI, that their captives were soaked in seawater to tenderise the meat and finally that most of the tattooed heads, that we hear oh so much about as being stolen taonga, were actually captives tattooed to order before being killed in order to be sold to Europeans.

I’d also add that my very smart, well-educated 50-something partner was unaware of most of these facts too. When I worked on a NZ national newspaper one of my very intelligent and adult colleagues was convinced that “Maori didn’t beat their children” by reference to a book by a clergyman but was not only totally unaware of the recorded infanticide but point-blank refused to accept that it happened.

Is this history actually taught in NZ schools or not? If it’s not then it’s unsurprising that young(er) people can’t put the behaviour of the time in context.
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October 2, 2019 5:28pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Doesn’t surprise me Wavey that most people know very little about NZ history.
  It was never my strong suit at school either. They kept asking questions about things that happened before i was even born.
  
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  October 2, 2019 7:04pm
  - chaos
    
    That’s just rude, how are you meant to know such things. If it’s not on social media it hasn’t happened.
    
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    October 2, 2019 7:36pm
wreck1080

Great to see trump getting some karma….but incredible how some people cannot even admit the facts…

Just 4 in 10 Republicans say they think President Trump discussed an investigation into Democratic presidential rival Joe Biden during a phone call with Ukraine’s president, despite Trump acknowledging having done so, according to a new Monmouth University poll.

Has also been a good week for smacking climate deniers too.
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October 2, 2019 5:48pm
Maggy Wassilieff

How long before the Left turn on Al Brown?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/food-wine/116258610/celebrity-chef-al-brown-says-city-slickers-are-the-ones-ruining-the-environment
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October 2, 2019 6:10pm
Martin Williams

How horrible.

~~John Key’s~~ ~~Bill English’s~~ Simon Bridges’ National Party have been harassing Jamie Lee Ross’ grandmother. They’ve actually sent in a spy, presumably in an attempt to get inside information on Ross’ next move.

Disgraceful!

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/10/jami-lee-ross-accuses-national-staffer-of-taking-advantage-of-his-grandmother.html

Didn’t think they could get much lower but nothing these clown do surprises me anymore.
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October 2, 2019 6:17pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  Tova O’Brien is scraping the very bottom of the barrel with this story. She even admits that Ross sent a text message to the staffer thanking her for looking after Nana so well.
  
  If there was any doubt that Ross is suffering from Narcissistic Personality Disorder, IMHO it has been well and truly removed.
  
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  October 2, 2019 7:08pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Ross is once again proving what a disgusting creep he turned out to be after his poor grandmother tried to bring him up as a decent human being.
    And it worked for a while.
    Now Tova, why your disproportionate interest in pouring petrol on this prick’s hatred for the National Party, purely based on the fact that Bridges didn’t see him as a future star when Key might have?
    Tova – was Sarah the only one?
    
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    October 2, 2019 8:40pm
    - Jack5
      
      “Martin Williams” talks about National harassment.
      
      It’s nothing compared with Labour harassment of its own young people at the youth camps, is it “Martin”? ?
      
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      October 2, 2019 9:33pm
- chaos
  
  Making things up again. Ross actually thanked the person and offered them a job.
  
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  October 2, 2019 7:19pm
chaos

This is just getting stupid. If people want to pay and go to her shows that is up to them, not up to freedom hating nazis.

* A group aiming to stop a national tour by a New Zealand-based “psychic” is challenging the ethics of the host venues.

The New Zealand Skeptics group has emailed all the venues booked for the tour of spiritual medium Jeanette Wilson, in a bid to shut it down.*

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12273065
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October 2, 2019 6:47pm
chaos

Ironic that Ross is doing exactly what he claims shouldn’t be done. This is all Ross is trying to do, use his grandmother for political points.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/10/jami-lee-ross-accuses-national-staffer-of-taking-advantage-of-his-grandmother.html

*”No 80-year-old grandmother should have to feel like she’s being used in some sort of political game,” he said*
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October 2, 2019 6:51pm
kowtow

I wonder if that Aucland Venues thingy precedent is emboldening other anti free speech anti freedom of assembly types?
And while the “psychics” are frauds is it right to allow the hecklers’ veto ?

‘A group aiming to stop a national tour by a New Zealand-based “psychic” is challenging the ethics of the host venues.

The New Zealand Skeptics group has emailed all the venues booked for the tour of spiritual medium Jeanette Wilson, in a bid to shut it down.’

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12273065
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October 2, 2019 6:58pm
- WaveyDavey
  
  Nah, the psychic is claiming to be able to call on “spirit surgeons” to cure illnesses on the spot.
  
  That’s where it crosses the line to fraud and actually does present a potential risk.
  
  Imagine if a disgraced fraudster wanted to hold an event where they took money off you and promised a particular result which of course never eventuates.
  
  Although that does sound a lot like various Auckland mayors…
  
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  October 2, 2019 8:24pm
  - chaos
    
    People are free to do as they wish, just because you may not believe in something doesn’t mean others should be restricted from it. If you want to believe in freedom of speech and allowing things that are not illegal then you cannot stop something because you don’t believe in it
    
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    October 2, 2019 8:54pm
  - Tall Man
    
    “Although that does sound a lot like various Auckland mayors…”
    
    and all labour politicians. At least the “psychic” will be good for a couple of laughs.
    
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    October 2, 2019 9:11pm
  - kowtow
    
    ‘Imagine if a disgraced fraudster wanted to hold an event where they took money off you and promised a particular result which of course never eventuates.’
    
    Yes it’s called the election cycle.
    
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    October 2, 2019 10:27pm
GoVege

Says on the net that the main reason babies are being uplifted by social workers is because they and their mothers are at risk of violence from mum’s partner.
How hard would it be to set up some safehouses for mothers and babies where they get support and protection from these violent partners?
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October 2, 2019 7:40pm
- chaos
  
  https://womensrefuge.org.nz/
  
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  October 2, 2019 8:51pm
- Tall Man
  
  There is, it’s called women’s refuge but they don’t allow drugs and the bulk of these women put access to those before the welfare of their children.
  
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  October 2, 2019 9:10pm
Jack5

Stephen Franks’ blog is back in action after a six-month break.

It has a substantial, interesting guest post on the British Parliamentary prorogue.

The post quotes Bernard Robertson, formerly Editor of the New Zealand Law Journal, but as it stands I’m not sure who the “guest poster” is.

http://www.stephenfranks.co.nz/guest-post-on-uk-supreme-court-prorogue-decision/
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October 2, 2019 9:25pm
- Steve Todd
  
  Thanks for this, Jack. I checked out Stephen Franks’ blog earlier this week, and probably would not have done so again for another week or ten days.
  
  Confusingly, the introductory paragraphs were written by Stephen. The rest of the “guest post” is by Bernard Robertson. The reader does not realise that, however, until this—
  
  “I asked Bernard Robertson, formerly Editor of the New Zealand Law Journal, what he made of the judgment. He now reports on cases in the NZ Supreme Court.
  
  “Here is his response. All that follows is his:[.]”
  
  Once I made that realisation, I set aside my already-formed intention to have a crack at Mr Robertson for arrogantly stating, “I have been too busy to write a considered analysis of the decision”, when, at that point, by casting my eyes downwards, it was fairly clear that he had continued on to do just that.”
  
  Stephen was remiss in not making it clear, at the outset, that the first few paragraphs were his.
  
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  October 3, 2019 8:31am
softail 1450

I’m surprised that the old rat Peters is already attacking his fellow Maori about the 250 year anniversary of the dreaded whitey arriving here in NZ, he usually only gets all racist closer to some important political happening like an election.
But of course this is to slow down some of the criticism coming his way when he F—Ks off to the R W C in a few days, no doubt he will be away for some time at our expense the rat cunning arsehole…
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