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Maggie Pie

ZB reports:

Sunni Bill Williams is calling for a ‘more explosive’ start from the AB’s in Fridays RWC play-off for third place. Also says that due to the changing nature and diversity of the game, he would like to see consideration given to the appointment of an Imam or Mufti as Assistant Coach
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October 29, 2019 8:05am
- igm
  
  Best he heads to Canada and imam Trudeau immediately — he won’t be missed.
  
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  October 29, 2019 8:38am
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  [deleted by Mods. Apols, this made it through in error.]
  
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  October 29, 2019 9:13am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    At least 12 people disagree that it was an error . . .
    
    [DPF’s rules around generalising entire religions are clear – Mod]
    
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    October 29, 2019 11:18am
    - rightoverlabour
      
      so if we include “some” its all ok then?
      
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      October 29, 2019 1:59pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  “More explosive start” I suppose with his thinking , its strap on belts with certain chemicals… and … boom!
  
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  October 29, 2019 1:58pm
- barnacle bill
  
  Maggie, I think SBW is just thinking ahead to the time he stops playing.
  
  He will very likely take up coaching in the future and who better to be involved with than the AB,s.
  And that would make him maybe the very first sports person to be involved from the cradle to the grave.
  
  No digging post holes for him.
  
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  October 29, 2019 3:08pm
peterwn

Predictions about ‘hate speech’ concerns going crazy are sure playing out in UK. Seems UK Police are pandering to all sorts of misfits and are fast becoming ‘Thought Police’ (Thinkpol in George Orwell’s 1984 terminology). See
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7617669/The-great-hate-crime-HOAX.html

Hopefully Sarah Dowie will be appointed Associate Police Minister in 2020 with a special mission to ensure this nonsense does not grip NZ. She has first hand experience of being on the receiving end of hate speech ‘enforcement’.
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October 29, 2019 8:07am
- Swifty
  
  As usual Douglas is right on the money.
  
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  October 29, 2019 9:13am
Yvette

More for the school-children who will demonstrate against climate in-action

We aim to plant one billion trees by 2028 – 150 million are already in the ground.
– Ardern, Opening address to United Nations Climate Action Summit

Ardern’s claim can cover only two years of Government.

In that time seedling nursery data suggest forestry planting to be 57,000 hectares (2018) and one assumes roughly the same for the other year.
So 114,000 hectares at 1004 seedlings a hectare gives 114.456 million seedlings or close 114.5 million trees.

Meanwhile, elsewhere forestry has harvested an estimated 47,900 hectares each of two years, removing 96.18 million trees. (47,900 hectares x 1004 trees per hectare x 2 years)

Leaving a net number of trees being about 18.32 million trees.

This does assume 2019 plantings to be the same as 2018, but, even if they were twice that number, it would come nowhere near Ardern’s total.

Someone is not telling the truth – well, not the whole truth

So the Winston-selected Government hasn’t really being building houses as they promised, they’re still deciding where, how and why Auckland needs an airport rail link, farmers were always going to get a 95% discount (Coalition Agreement) in any ETS regardless of what any figures suggest, and – here – they aren’t really planting trees as they promised.

As indicated above, these figures may not be wildly accurate, but anyone who can supply better and authenticate them would be most welcome to do so.
The question is very simple–
In the time Ardern claims the Government has planted 150 million trees, how many trees has commercial Forestry harvested?
Since of course only those trees left standing are absorbing CO2, rather than releasing it.

reference –
Forest Planting
The total area of forest planting in the winter of 2018 is provisionally estimated from the nursery survey data and associated modelling to be 57,000 hectares. The modelling generated a national average stocking rate for radiata pine of 1,004 stems per hectare.

Replanting of harvested areas is provisionally estimated to be 47,900 hectares in 2018.
… the estimated area of new planting [is] 9,100 hectares.
https://www.teururakau.govt.nz/dmsdocument/28107-2018-provisional-estimates-of-tree-stock-sales-and-forest-planting-in-2018
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October 29, 2019 8:12am
- cmm
  
  Someone is not telling the truth???
  
  Ardern would lie even if the dog really did eat her homework.
  
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  October 29, 2019 8:41am
- artemisia
  
  There is an official MPI tracker at the below link. It includes the (relatively small) number directly funded by the government, which indicates the rest were private sector plantings. Like happening anyway. Doesn’t report ‘net’ plantings, funnily enough. This government doesn’t like ‘net’.
  
  https://www.mpi.govt.nz/funding-and-programmes/forestry/one-billion-trees-programme/about-the-one-billion-trees-programme#tree-planting-tracker
  
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  October 29, 2019 9:05am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Try to remember that a seedling does not soak up nearly as much carbon as a fully grown tree, that you just harvested and won’t for at least 15 more years.
  
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  October 29, 2019 9:17am
  - cmm
    
    Correct
    
    The amount of carbon soaked up is pretty much proportional to the amount of mass increase. More than half the mass in a 30 year old tree is put on in the last 5 years.
    
    From 0 to about 10 years tree planting emits CO2 with all the transport, planting, disruption of top soil etc etc.
    
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    October 29, 2019 1:17pm
- Fletch
  
  Remember when the govt mulched all those seedlings because they didn’t have the land to plant them on?
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12157577
  
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  October 29, 2019 10:08am
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  The Labour tree planting plan has not gone well – I agree. But to be honest, cutting down a full grown tree does not mean that all the CO2 it’s absorbed and stored up gets released. Only if the tree is burned. If it’s turned into building material the CO2 will be retained in the wood.
  
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  October 29, 2019 7:08pm
oldpark

Whats with S B Williams the mind boggles. To be or not to be,that is the question.
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October 29, 2019 8:23am
- hullkiwi
  
  He is shipping off to Rugby League on a $9mill contract. So, his advice is as useful as the proverbial ashtray on a motorbike.
  
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  October 29, 2019 8:43am
  - sooty
    
    By Sonny, don’t let the door hit you in the arse!
    
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    October 29, 2019 8:54am
    - Jack5
      
      An $Aust9 million offer from a Canadian rugby league club?
      
      Canadians have their own football and American football, and also soccer and rugby, but league?
      
      The Australian mining millionaire behind the Toronto league club compares the potential Williams signing to the move made by David Beckham to LA Galaxy from Real Madrid in 2007.
      
      https://www.smh.com.au/sport/rugby-union/sbw-fields-staggering-9-million-offer-from-toronto-wolfpack-20191028-p534zk.html
      
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      October 29, 2019 10:40am
      - Jack5
        
        A question about Sonny Bill and Islam …
        
        Are Williams’s tattoo acceptable to Muslims because they were done before he converted to Islam?
        
        Bit of conflict there with Williams’s Samoan heritage.
        
        Muslims regard tattoos as forbidden because:
        
        ” … it involves changing the creation of Allaah, and because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) cursed the one who does tattoos and the one for whom that is done.”
        
        https://islamqa.info/en/answers/20283/are-tattoos-haram-in-islam
        
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        October 29, 2019 10:55am
      - Batman
        
        Plenty of Catholics use birth control so I suppose like every religious person, SBW works around it.
        
        Perhaps he simply isn’t getting any new ones.
        
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        October 29, 2019 11:02am
      - James Stephenson
        
        It’s a Canadian club that plays in the UK Superleague. So, setting aside the bizarre idea of a Canadian club in an English league, effectively extending the M62 some 3000 miles to the west, the David Beckham to LA comparison is pretty valid.
        
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        October 29, 2019 1:27pm
      - SGA
        
        @Jack5
        
        Are Williams’s tattoo acceptable to Muslims because they were done before he converted to Islam?
        
        Not an issue (unless he wants more).
        
        all of your prior actions are forgiven once you have converted and fully embraced Islam. Therefore, if you had a tattoo before becoming a Muslim, you are not required to remove it.
        
        https://www.learnreligions.com/tattoos-in-islam-2004393
        
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        October 29, 2019 1:42pm
    - Ruahine
      
      Can never understand why he was in the ABs anyway. Probably the Emirates sponsorship money I guess.
      
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      October 29, 2019 12:58pm
      - SGA
        
        Emirates sponsors the All Blacks? Are you sure about that?
        
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        October 29, 2019 8:31pm
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    When he retires with pots full of money he can go and live in an Islamic Paradise.
    
    BTW where does he keep his money?? He wouldn’t play with a shirt with the BNZ Logo?? Does he keep it under the bed???
    
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    October 29, 2019 10:59am
    - SGA
      
      In a bank (that which isn’t invested in some way). Islamic banks differ in terms of how they arrange finances to sort of skirt prohibitions against usury. Christianity used to have similar rules against usury as well (as all here who had to study “The Merchant of Venice” at high school will remember).
      
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      October 29, 2019 1:24pm
Simon

From twitter:

Trump killed Baghdadi
Hillary killed Epstein
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October 29, 2019 8:31am
- Colville
  
  If Hillary and Jason Bourne got together they would be unstoppable! 🙂
  
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  October 29, 2019 9:32am
- stephieboy
  
  Simon ,which moron twittered that?
  
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  October 29, 2019 1:48pm
JibberJabber

The ever Prescient Margaret Thatcher,

“Do you know that one of the great problems of our age is that we are governed by people who care more about feelings than they do about thoughts and ideas.”
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October 29, 2019 8:36am
stephieboy

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
From yesterday a sample of the Commander in Chief Bone spurs and what a bad mouth he is unfit for office. I think they call it taking cheap shots.

Donald J. Trump
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@realDonaldTrump

Why don’t we ask the Navy SEALs who killed Bin Laden? They don’t seem to be happy with Obama claiming credit. All he did is say O.K.

Donald J. Trump
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@realDonaldTrump

Stop congratulating Obama for killing Bin Laden. The Navy Seals killed Bin Laden. #debate

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2:12 PM – Oct 23, 2012

Donald J. Trump
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@realDonaldTrump

The military and Navy Seals should be given more credit for Bin Laden’s death, not Obama, who works hard to take (cont)
http://
tl.gd/jocsdf

Of course Trumps announcement of the death of al-Baghdadi. was full of evusive praise and gloating forgetting that his rash decision to withdraw troops from Syria could well see an opportunity for ISIS to rise again with a new Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi.
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October 29, 2019 8:36am
- sooty
  
  In ya dreams, Stephie chicken liver!
  
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  October 29, 2019 9:00am
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  You don’t have much on your schedule, do you? Just coming on here daily, belching out brain farts and receiving a good thrashing in the down tick tally. Masochistic is the word that springs to mind. Then again, why not make a virtue out of your ill-conceived and tendentious commenting.
  
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  October 29, 2019 9:21am
- Bell-47
  
  You must really dislike Tulsi Gabbard then?
  
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  October 29, 2019 9:42am
hullkiwi

From Facebook:
Under National and John Key, the ABs win two world cups.

Under Ardern and Labour the ABs are losers!
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October 29, 2019 8:46am
- Batman
  
  It’s been going around the net since before the full time whistle even blew, but yes it is a notable observation ?
  
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  October 29, 2019 8:48am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    First tell ’em, then tell ’em again, then tell ’em another time, just don’t use the same words twice
    
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    October 29, 2019 9:07am
- MCos
  
  In fact all the teams with Kiwi coaches have also fallen by the wayside.
  
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  October 29, 2019 9:09am
- BobbyS
  
  We had “9 long years” of rugby greatness and now this!!
  The record speaks for itself
  
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  October 29, 2019 9:18am
- michael_s2
  
  As they were under Helen Clark and Michael Cullen.
  
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  October 29, 2019 9:35am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Our worst results were under Cullen & Clark too – remember 2003 & 2007!
    
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    October 29, 2019 10:00am
- kloyd0306
  
  …not forgetting who was in power when the ABs were beaten in the quarters in 07……
  
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  October 29, 2019 9:52am
- stephieboy
  
  hullkiwi , and win the inaugural a world cup under Labour in Great style and lose it in” great style” to Aussie in 1991 under National.
  
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  October 29, 2019 10:05am
- freethinker
  
  Birds of a feather – lose together.
  
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  October 29, 2019 11:51am
Maggie Pie

We watched the ‘Harry and Meghan’ doco out of Africa last night.
Even though my partners mum still has a Commemrative Teaspoon from the ’53 Royal Tour, it’s fair to say none of us are big fans.
To watch Hazza & Megs being interviewed by some fawning prat from the BBC, with the pair of them continually lamenting “…how tough it is being part of the Royal Family”, all the while with a group of under-nourished black kids in the background smiling, singing, and bouncing around on one limb, was nothing short of cringe-making 🙁

As my partner said, “Phil the Greek would be spinning in his grave”
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October 29, 2019 8:48am
- sooty
  
  Isn’t Phil the Greek, the Duke and he’s still alive I think!
  
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  October 29, 2019 8:59am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Alive and ~~kicking~~ running over peasants.
    
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    October 29, 2019 9:24am
    - sooty
      
      Yep, that’s our Phil! Don’t you love him and his wife! Havn’t they done well!
      
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      October 29, 2019 9:51am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Yes! Born into poverty in Corfu and Mayfair respectively, they have overcome the handicaps of humble birth to rise to the very top.
        
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        October 29, 2019 10:31am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Phil is dead!
  
  Must have missed that in the brexit bumble headlines, or have you got inside from the Clinton’s who seem to have prior knowledge about unfortunate circumstances?
  
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  October 29, 2019 9:10am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Please learn how to use apostrophe’s.
    
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    October 29, 2019 9:25am
    - sooty
      
      Not all of us have that school teacher life that you have. We may be a bit rough around the edgersas you high fluting elite!
      
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      October 29, 2019 9:54am
      - Ed Snack
        
        Grocer in a previous life were we ?
        
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        October 29, 2019 10:43am
    - oldgolfer
      
      Apostrophes, please.
      
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      October 29, 2019 10:09am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Whoosh!
        
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        October 29, 2019 10:27am
    - Frank Thomas
      
      Dont be a grandma nazi!!!
      
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      October 29, 2019 10:09am
      - Biscuit
        
        I understand some people are fretting about apostrophes and their absence/misuse in Kiwiblog General Debate posts.
        
        Th’is i’s, of’ c’ourse, disg’raceful an’d is’ somethin’g th’at o’ur es’teemed patr’on, D’PF, need’s t’o stamp’ ou’t her’e an’ now’.
        
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        October 29, 2019 11:07am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      ‘y?
      
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      October 29, 2019 11:21am
    - JibberJabber
      
      As I always sez, if in doubt, apostrophate,…,!
      
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      October 29, 2019 12:47pm
  - stephieboy
    
    “Clintons who seem to have prior knowledge…”
    
    ???
    
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    October 29, 2019 10:07am
- Lance
  
  Well… yes they should have known what they were in for.
  But the tabloids in the UK really are the scum of the earth. They make journalism the realm for thieves, liars and amoral assholes.
  
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  October 29, 2019 9:31am
  - sooty
    
    You mean they are different than ours!
    
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    October 29, 2019 9:55am
    - Lance
      
      I suspect it’s a race to the bottom
      
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      October 29, 2019 10:56am
- MCos
  
  Harry is 6th or 7th in line to be King, whatever.
  Nevertheless
  He is infinitely more likely to become Head of State of our country than any Kiwi.
  As it is His Dad, who, in true British aristocratic tradition, doesn’t want to even shit in our dunnies, will get the job.
  
  Personally I have all the sympathy in the world for the guy being born into that loathsome system with all those wretched tabloids who despise him for taking a ‘tainted’ wife’
  
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  October 29, 2019 9:31am
- Gravelroad
  
  If it’s all so tough, why doesn’t Prince Harry apply to Grandma to become the new Duke of Windsor?
  Then he and his American stick insect Mrs (who is strangely similar to Wallis Simpson) can bugger off to the South of France and do what they like.
  The end.
  
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  October 29, 2019 9:35am
  - MCos
    
    No just the British tabloids who loath his wife, then.
    At least she wandered round NZ on a camping holiday while she still had a chance.
    BTW
    Harry fought for his country, until he was outed by one of the aforementioned rags.
    Mrs Simpson’s husband was cut from a different cloth entirely.
    
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    October 29, 2019 11:34am
    - Gravelroad
      
      If you are insinuating that I “loath” Megan Markle, MCos, you are wrong.
      I just have more admiration for the effort and commitment put in by HM Queen Elizabeth who in 2018 at age 92 completed a total of 283 official engagements.
      Princess Anne, aged 68, attended 447 engagements in the UK in 2018 and 71 overseas.
      Ms Markle is/was a Hollywood celebrity who was able to pick and choose what she attended – including “wandering round” at her leisure.
      Both she and Prince Harry knew full well the “hardships” Royal life entails. These have to be balanced along with all the “perks”.
      If they don’t want to do it, maybe they should retire from the rigours of public life.
      
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      October 29, 2019 1:37pm
Batman

Good news folks, time to find out whether the narrative that the Dems would lose a vote on impeachment is accurate, or bullshit.

Place your bets!

Democrats Plan First Floor Vote on Impeachment Inquiry https://nyti.ms/2Pug6mT
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October 29, 2019 9:06am
- mikenmildagain
  
  I didn’t think that was the narrative. I should think such a resolution would pass comfortably.
  What it would do, though, is remove one of the bogus process objections to the impeachment inquiry.
  
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  October 29, 2019 9:21am
  - virtualmark
    
    This marks the transition to the next stage of the impeachment investigation, which is public hearings.
    
    To date the hearings have been held in the SCIF, because they’ve been focused on sensitive matters.
    
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    October 29, 2019 12:22pm
    - Batman
      
      Correct, VM. Open to all members of those committees.
      
      The TV friendly open hearings will be interesting for sure.
      
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      October 29, 2019 12:43pm
      - virtualmark
        
        I think they should invite President Trump to appear before the Committees.
        
        He won’t … his lawyers know that he is an inveterate liar who would perjure himself repeatedly. The one time he has been deposed under oath didn’t go well … https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2018-01-25/i-ve-watched-trump-testify-under-oath-it-isn-t-pretty
        
        But it would neutralise his complaints about the process and unfairness etc etc. Trump’s public image is that he’s a tough guy who makes lefties and cucks cry. But if you listen to him talk at his rallies and so on there is a lot of whining. Call his bluff, neutralise the whining.
        
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        October 29, 2019 3:49pm
    - virtualmark
      
      Also, I think it marks a transition among the Democrats that they now feel more certain that they have enough here to impeach him.
      
      Until now they’ve been a bit tentative about (a) whether they have enough solid facts to carry a Senate vote, and (b) whether they have public support. I suspect this floor vote is a signal that they now feel confident of both those things.
      
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      October 29, 2019 3:53pm
    - virtualmark
      
      Slight change of topic … but if you read Lt Col Vindman’s opening remarks for his testimony tomorrow then Ambassador Sondland is in trouble. That will be Taylor, Hill and now Vindman all contradicting his testimony.
      
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      October 29, 2019 5:14pm
- All_on_Red
  
  I hope they do. The GOP will win the House back in 2020
  https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2019-10-28/swing-state-polls-show-impeachment-no-slam-dunk
  
  McConnell will allow a Trial as that then gives rights back to Trump he can use- which will expose the current fake narrative.
  The Dems won’t be happy about that.
  Then the Senate will vote it down anyway.
  
  Btw- what are they charging him with?
  Mean tweets?
  Worst fake tan evah?
  
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  October 29, 2019 9:25am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    538’s generic congressional ballot still gives a six-point lead for the democrats.
    Meanwhile, Trump continues to set records for personal unpopularity.
    
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    October 29, 2019 9:29am
    - Batman
      
      Fake news, Mike! Everyone knows that Soros funds 538 and all polling that doesn’t favour Trump.
      
      Do at least try to keep up with the 5D chess!
      
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      October 29, 2019 9:34am
    - All_on_Red
      
      ‘Generic’
      – snigger
      ‘A CNN analysis finds an array of bad news for the pro-impeachment forces:
      
      — The latest Marquette University survey in Wisconsin indicates that 44 percent of voters want Trump impeached and removed from office but 51 percent don’t want either outcomes
      — A University of North Florida poll finds that 46 percent support impeachment and removal of Trump but 48 percent are opposed.
      
      — A New York Times-Siena College poll shows that only 43 percent of voters in six states that went for Trump narrowly in 2016 want to impeach and remove him from office but 53 percent do not. The states are Arizona, Florida, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin.’
      
      What’s he being impeached for?
      Anyone know?
      
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      October 29, 2019 9:42am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        There is quite a range of arguably impeachable offences in play already, from obstruction of justice, sexual assault, profiting from his office, collusion with foreign powers, inciting violence against political opponents, breaking campaign financelaws, etc, etc.
        But you know all this.
        The clearest case, however, is one of the latest: his attempt to persuade a foreign government to investigate his political opponents.
        
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        October 29, 2019 9:59am
      - stephieboy
        
        “..President Trump has violated the constitution in numerous ways, including taking profits and benefits from foreign governments. He’s obstructed justice, as outlined in the second part of Robert Mueller’s report,” Mr Painter told The Independent in an interview in Minneapolis, following the president’s recent rally in the city.
        
        “He encouraged the Russians to interfere in the 2016 election and a number of his compatriots collaborated with the Russians. And even though that was not criminally charged, that was a serious matter.”
        
        He added: “Now he’s doing it again – trying to get Ukraine to come up with dirt on his political opponents. It goes on and on. He’s attacked the free press with language that is really quite horrific. This president is guilty of multiple high crimes and misdemeanours, and needs to be impeached….”
        
        https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-impeachment-nixon-george-bush-impeach-richard-painter-a9157646.html
        
        Snigger back to you!
        
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        October 29, 2019 10:18am
      - All_on_Red
        
        ‘Arguably’
        – double snigger!
        All of those accusations have been refuted. Especially the latest about Ukraine.
        We know all this.
        Let’s see what the Dems ‘inquiry’ recommends because so far they have nothing.
        
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        October 29, 2019 10:41am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        It was also quite interesting that A0R didn’t cite any public polls that favour impeachment. 538 is running a polling tacker on this – currently 49% supporting impeachment and 44% opposed.
        
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        October 29, 2019 2:08pm
- Ed Snack
  
  As I understand it, it’s not a vote on impeachment as such but an affirmation of the rules that they claim to be operating under. So not an formal impeachment resolution. Unless the rules are changed, it won’t change much. More Pelosi flailing.
  
  What have they got, two witnesses who heard at 3rd or 4th hand that Trump said something that they call transcript doesn’t show ? Taylor clearly shows that he has a policy dispute with Trump over the Ukraine, which is tough but beyond his responsibility level be involved with.
  
  Just trying to get in ahead of the IG report and the Durham investigation seems most likely.
  
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  October 29, 2019 10:50am
  - Batman
    
    Yes its a vote on rules, but like all things political it will be interpreted many ways.
    
    Certainly I would expect every House Republican to vote against the rules, so that they can continue to whine that they’re being hard done by, despite being the ones who changed the investigation rules for the Benghazi hearings.
    
    Looking forward to public sessions from mid-November! Haha
    
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    October 29, 2019 11:06am
mikenmildagain

One hundred years ago today:
The Women’s Parliamentary Rights Act 1919 allows women to stand for election to the house of representatives.
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October 29, 2019 9:09am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Had they known that the first woman PM would have been Jenny Shippley, they would have been proud.
  Clark and Ardern would have drawn profound disappointment.
  
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  October 29, 2019 9:22am
  - igm
    
    Only ever two good female leaders — Margaret Thatcher and Golda Meir.
    
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    October 29, 2019 9:36am
- Simon
  
  Police were called to a Labour Party selection ballot last night amid scenes of “total chaos” that witnesses said left female voters feeling intimidated.
  
  “A skirmish almost broke out when a man tried to take his wife’s ballot and fill it out but she opposed.”
  
  A 34-year-old female party member told the Standard: “It was a very intimidating environment for any women or people with disabilities.”
  
  https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/police-called-to-poplar-and-limehouse-labour-selection-ballot-amid-scenes-of-chaos-a4272406.html
  
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  October 29, 2019 9:24am
  - mara
    
    Simon, Mt Roskill/ Avondale within 10 years.
    
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    October 29, 2019 9:57am
    - Swifty
      
      That can’t be right – Stiffy says once people emigrate here they instantly turn into model NZers shedding everything they have previously believed.
      
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      October 29, 2019 10:42am
- DJ Ward
  
  100 years later the rights of men to be treated with dignity and respect have been destroyed. Hate men feminists have got there revenge. Men suicide on mass, systemically removed from families and male parental rights abolished. Bigoted financial and legal persecution of men is normalised, causing thousands to flee our Hate Men Feminist shores.
  
  In 100 years time we might grow up and get a Minister for Men.
  
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  October 29, 2019 9:57am
Chuck Bird

An interesting video on New Conservatives position on firearm law. They will make a good coalition partner for National.

https://www.facebook.com/NewConservativeNZ/videos/564663200742547/
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October 29, 2019 9:19am
- Colville
  
  They wont come close to getting in.
  
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  October 29, 2019 9:33am
- MCos
  
  There’s one problem.
  
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  October 29, 2019 9:38am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Yes, no one will vote for them.
    
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    October 29, 2019 10:32am
slightlyrighty

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/116975657/is-the-all-blacks-loss-a-death-knock-for-labour

The headline!!!! What is this “Death Knoll” they speak of? Is it a Grassy Death Knoll?
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October 29, 2019 9:20am
- SGA
  
  Not on your Knellie, mate!
  
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  October 29, 2019 9:32am
- MCos
  
  Goodness knows what havoc & damnation will befall the nation if they lose on Friday.
  
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  October 29, 2019 9:42am
Tony Stuart

Interesting; Parliament normally sits in three week blocks, but after the two-week recess for the school holidays, they’ve only had two weeks back, and now they’re off for a week.

https://www.parliament.nz/media/5324/2019-sitting-programme-calendar.pdf

That wouldn’t have anything to do with a certain rugby match being played in Tokyo this weekend, needing the urgent attendance of most Ministers would it? Or is it simply coincidence?
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October 29, 2019 9:20am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Probably more to do with the fact that Monday was a holiday and they couldn’t possibly go into QT without a day to get their bullshit sorted out.
  
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  October 29, 2019 9:42am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Oh, and without the demented dwarf to help Cindy out of trouble.
    
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    October 29, 2019 9:45am
    - Batman
      
      Yep, the week after Labour day is usually a recess.
      
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      October 29, 2019 10:52am
      - sooty
        
        It’s taken as a given the Duck flew to Japan to saviour all the 5 star treatment he could sup!
        
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        October 29, 2019 11:11am
      - Batman
        
        I’m sure Mallard is probably on his way today
        
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        October 29, 2019 11:22am
All_on_Red

Yes, yes
I can hear you all asking.
“What’s going on with General Flynn’s Trial?”
Glad you asked.
BREAKING: Judge Sullivan has cancelled the upcoming General Flynn hearing reportedly in order to review new evidence received from Flynn attorney Sidney Powell.
Not sure the Judge is going to be happy about how Lisa Page changed the evidence and that Flynn didn’t lie
Will he dismiss the charges?
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October 29, 2019 9:47am
- Batman
  
  Flynn is in prison for his crimes. He did the right thing and is now cooperating with law enforcement…. Admittedly only after being caught for acting as a foreign lobbying agent…
  
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  October 29, 2019 10:54am
  - All_on_Red
    
    He’s not in Prison. He hasn’t even been sentenced.
    Evidence has emerged he had consent to talk to foreign Govts.
    That evidence was supressed.
    Oh well, another day where you prove you know nothing.
    
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    October 29, 2019 11:06am
    - sooty
      
      But he does TDS, so well AOR!
      
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      October 29, 2019 11:12am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Wasn’t his sentencing delayed because the judge wouldn’t accept a federal recommendation of no jail time for his treasonous actions?
      
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      October 29, 2019 1:09pm
- Ed Snack
  
  Not clear what the cancellation means at this stage, at least that’s IMHO. Certainly the recent revelations about the chicanery by the FBI/DOJ have been stunning and Flynn would appear to exonerated by prosecutorial misconduct. But the Judge might yet rule that all that aside, Flynn pleaded guilty in a plea deal and that has to go forward as a procedural matter.
  
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  October 29, 2019 10:55am
Maggie Pie

Back in the early 80’s I was riding my bike and fell off skinning both knees.
I’m telling you this now because we didn’t have social media back then.
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October 29, 2019 9:53am
- Sacha
  
  And we needed to know that, so good on you for speaking out!
  
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  October 29, 2019 3:00pm
Fletch

Excerpts from a new book out tomorrow, “The Plot Against the President: The True Story of How Congressman Devin Nunes Uncovered the Biggest Political Scandal in U.S. History” by journalist Lee Smith.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/oct/27/plot-against-president-lee-smith-book-details-devi/
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October 29, 2019 10:18am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Does it feature quotes from Devin Nunes’s cow?
  
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  October 29, 2019 10:25am
  - Batman
    
    File it under the fantasy adventure section.
    
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    October 29, 2019 10:54am
    - Ed Snack
      
      Nope, we already know that of the two reports that emerged from the Congressional intelligence committee in 2017, Nunes’ majority and Schiff’s minority report, that Nunes’ report has stood up and been validated while Schiff’s has been exposed as a tissue of lies. However knowing Schiff and his “reputation” that was to be expected.
      
      Lee Smith has expanded upon what was known at the time and it is damning. It reflects extremely badly on Obama.
      
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      October 29, 2019 11:05am
      - Batman
        
        Bahahahah. Ok sure thing, Ed.
        
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        October 29, 2019 11:11am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        But what progress in Nunes’s lawsuit against his mother and his cow?
        
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        October 29, 2019 11:51am
- Vory v zakone
  
  Last week “The Plot Against The President” was no. 24 on Amazon’s best sellers list, BEFORE it was even released.
  Today on its release …. straight to no. 1!
  
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  October 30, 2019 2:09am
brett68

Prepare to be swamped.

https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/news/rcep-talks-new-zealand-ready-to-ease-work-visa-rules-for-india/article28842990.ece

https://www.stuff.co.nz/tarana/115532706/simon-bridges-keen-to-increase-connectivity-between-new-zealand-and-india
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October 29, 2019 10:43am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Does that mean that Bridges now believes that Indians and Filipinos, etc are now worth the same as Chinese?
  
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  October 29, 2019 11:52am
Hugh Pavletich

CALIFORNIA WILDFIRES …

A new California wildfire breaks out in LA as a million people face days without power … CNN

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/28/us/california-fires-power-outages-monday/index.html

California wildfires: Kincade fire just 5% contained as Getty fire rages near museum – live … the Guardian

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2019/oct/28/california-wildfires-latest-kincade-fire-power-shutoffs-evacuation-live-news

Wind-whipped fire in Northern California forces the largest evacuation in Sonoma County history … The Washington Post

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/10/28/kincade-fire-evacuation-map-expands-sonoma-county/
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October 29, 2019 10:53am
- Cobolt24
  
  Some bear market news..
  
  Credit card debt crunch ‘could be coming’
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/116985880/credit-card-debt-crunch-could-be-coming
  
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  October 29, 2019 11:22am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    The eels in the Avon in Christchurch could invade the city too and seek out all those on bicycles to chase.
    
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    October 29, 2019 3:08pm
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      … and from Townhall …
      
      California Is Burning and It’s Not Because of ‘Climate Change’ … Bronson Stocking … Townhall
      
      https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bronsonstocking/2019/10/25/california-burning-n2555379
      
      Liberals are blaming California’s wildfires on “climate change.” Apparently, climate change now causes wildfires, but only in the state of California. Before this week, liberals thought rising sea levels would wash the state away. Now, they believe it will go up in flames unless we do something immediately to stop “climate change.” But climate change hasn’t turned California into a tinderbox, the environmentalists have. … read more via hyperlink above …
      
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      October 29, 2019 5:41pm
Biscuit

mike, you may be right re Trump’s ‘unpopularity’ but I’d like to see the methodology used by the pollsters (who didn’t exactly, you will remember, cover themselves with glory in 2016!).

The US voting system doesn’t care much for the popular vote.

Every single person in big ‘Blue’ population areas like California and New York (with 84 Electoral College votes between them) could vote No to Trump in 2020 and Trump would still win comfortably simply by all the ‘little’ ‘Red’ states, as in 2016, bucking the way they are told to vote by the liberal press.

Much will be made of the fact that Trump was booed at the World Series game in Washington D.C. yesterday.

I’m only surprised that anyone thought anything else might have happened. In 2016, 90.86% of the popular vote went to Clinton/Kaine and only 4.09% to Trump/Pence.

Washington D.C., however, was ‘worth’ just 3 Electoral College votes.

Trump won 304 votes to 227.

This map is very illuminating – and shows exactly why Trump probably won’t even bother seriously campaigning in Liberalsland, the western and the north-eastern seaboards:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ec/ElectoralCollege2016.svg/348px-ElectoralCollege2016.svg.png
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October 29, 2019 11:26am
- mikenmildagain
  
  You are correct – the constitution baked in a gerrymander in favour of smaller, rural states. Partly this was to appease the small states considering the union in 1787 and partly to protect the instrests of the largely patrician founders against too much democracy.
  So Trump’s widespread and historic unpopularity with the electorate at large will not necessarily result in his defeat in the race for electoral college votes. But even in the key swing states that he won in 2016 – Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Michigan, etc – Trump’s numbers don’t look good at this stage.
  
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  October 29, 2019 12:01pm
  - Inandout
    
    Dream on m&m, you can’t twist the Constitution no matter how much you (or Schist) desire it. Why should populous states like California skew any results just to satisfy the loonies? The Constitution was brought about by a team of wise heads, unlike our MMP system which was born out of ignorance.
    
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    October 29, 2019 12:36pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Where in my comment did I suggest ‘twisting’ anything?
      
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      October 29, 2019 1:07pm
    - MCos
      
      So the results of our MMP referendum were based on ignorance even though it was perfect clear what was being voted on, except, maybe, for a few minor points.
      On the other hand the Brexit referendum, which has led to chaos, wasn’t?
      
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      October 29, 2019 6:08pm
  - Jules99
    
    Funny how the electoral college was fine when Obama, Clinton and Kennedy were voted in – now, not so much.
    
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    October 29, 2019 12:48pm
    - Batman
      
      There is a legitimate argument about how the college lends too much power to a few states rather than a broader spread.
      
      But yes of course each side wants a system that advantages then
      
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      October 29, 2019 1:14pm
      - Kabull
        
        The counter argument, of course, is that without the College the big coast cities like SF, LA, NY would dominate the election. Small cotton and rust-belt states would be ignored because their populations are so small. It is rumoured that without the College no politician would bother campaigning in around 85-90% of the states.
        
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        October 29, 2019 5:03pm
      - MCos
        
        On the other hand hand a few people in ‘small cotton & rust belt’ states determine who is the President of over the big coastal cities.
        
        There’s a reason for this approach.
        America puts a lot of store on individual rights as opposed to tyranny of the majority. Theoretically
        
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        October 29, 2019 6:55pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Stop watching CNN Mike. Try OAN, you will feel better when you get some facts
    
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    October 29, 2019 5:24pm
- DigNap15
  
  Yes the map is great.
  And its one of the reason we got Proportional voting here in NZ.
  Big Labour majorities in places like Otara, and in the UK in Wales etc were wasted on just one mop.
  
  Luckily that 2 votes per state in the USA in enshrined in their constitution.
  
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  October 29, 2019 1:47pm
surfing

Uhhh,today my partner is doing the mandatory treaty of waitangi course for government employed health professionals — and it is teaching her that she is racist .

It is a disgrace and a new low has been reached. Of course, it doesn’t mention anything about how the special people keep stealing unsecured hospital equipment, or how they enjoy beating their kids.

I wonder if jacinda has to take this course? Insulting.
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October 29, 2019 12:27pm
- Inandout
  
  surfing, all organisations which receive government funding are forced to swallow this stuff. I have spoken to many people who have been obliged to sit through these courses and they almost to a person have been anti Maori at the end of it. Some ‘tutors’ are openly hostile to whites and know they have a captive audience to lean on. There is big money for some in the Treaty business.
  
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  October 29, 2019 12:53pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    If the “mandatory treaty of waitangi course” make non-Maori more anti-Maori, then where is the wisdom of having such courses in the first place?
    
    Are such courses not self-defeating?
    
    Surely the purpose of such a course would be to make non-Maori more sympathetic towards Maori and thus more willing to grant Maori special treatment?
    
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    October 29, 2019 5:07pm
  - surfing
    
    The staff at this ‘training course’ were spitting tacks.
    
    The Maori man from Wellington flew up here to lecture them about their racism.
    
    There were foreigners in the training too — barely arrived in the country and they are being lectured about their inability to pronounce maori words.
    
    This is identity racism — you are white, therefore you are racist and need to be re-educated.
    
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    October 29, 2019 5:14pm
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      Why should English speakers pronounce English names for place names as they would if they were speaking another language (Te Reo)?
      
      When you mention the capital of France in an English sentence, do you pronounce it as “Paris” or as “Pah-ree”?
      
      No one in English can pronounce “Tokyo” properly, but then, they are not speaking Japanese.
      
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      October 29, 2019 6:02pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Go on, give us a clue…..
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OSW8wj7A6U
        
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        October 29, 2019 6:39pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  the special people keep stealing unsecured hospital equipment, or how they enjoy beating their kids
  
  Sounds like you could do with some antiracism education yourself.
  
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  October 29, 2019 1:08pm
  - surfing
    
    If you are white, you are racist too. You have no say in this.
    
    Facts are not politically correct…
    
    https://teara.govt.nz/en/graph/29237/child-homicide-rates-for-maori-and-non-maori
    
    “Maori commit 75 percent of solved crimes in Bay of Plenty”
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=3574991
    
    You’d be surprised at the level of hospital equipment theft. Staff usually have a good idea who take equipment off-site, but nothing can be done. Theft is just part of the cost of treatment.
    
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    October 29, 2019 1:50pm
    - MCos
      
      Everybody knows who steals their money when one of those building contractors goes under, but nothing can be done.
      There are a lot of dishonest people in this world.
      
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      October 29, 2019 3:18pm
  - Sacha
    
    M&M: But is the comment based on fact? If ‘special people’ do indeed steal unsecured hospital equipment, or ‘enjoy being their kids’ should truth be disguised/discredited under the accusation of racism?
    Sounds like deflection tactics to me.
    
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    October 29, 2019 3:06pm
- Scott
  
  Surfing – like you I’m amazed how this radical leftist propoganda is now compulsory for every public servant.
  NZ history is now branded as a history of racism and colonialism is now at the root of every bad thing that happens to a Maori person!
  The actual truth is that Britain signed an agreement to colonise the country with the local Maori chiefs. They gave away sovereignty to the then Queen Victoria. In return they got the use of their land unless or until they sold it to the crown. They also got all the rights and protections of British subjects.
  
  The treaty of waitangi was a good deal for everyone. Now we are one people and one nation and that’s how we should think of ourselves going forward.
  
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  October 29, 2019 1:09pm
  - Batman
    
    Ahhh Scott, your version of things is so beautifully simple.
    
    If only it was anywhere close to reality!
    
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    October 29, 2019 1:17pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      The reality was that Maori were killing each off with muskets and utu was making the continuance of futher Maori society impossible.
      Some of those tribal issues are still live.
      
      We Pakeha need to be careful we are not deceived. More than reasonable reparations have already been made but the they will play us as continuing suckers.
      
      A fresh generation of almost rootless Maori are looking for new ways of exploiting us. Watch out for the excessive water claims and them being sold off to Nestle. Gormless Greens are joining their “causes” too.
      
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      October 29, 2019 3:00pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Kev “some” maori were doing what you said but also “some” maori went to England to ask King George for a treaty or something to protect them from “some” maori who thought killing “bros” was a way of life.
        
        History has lost that bit but it still exists..
        
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        October 29, 2019 6:47pm
Maggie Pie

LGBTQI…..

Do the ‘alphabet people’ need to be stopped? 🙁

https://twitter.com/BreitbartNews/status/1188945837675728897
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October 29, 2019 1:37pm
- Biscuit
  
  Maggie, you and I need a separate ‘aphabet’ designation:
  GDSOTETWHAFUTFRAFIHWTSWWWWBC
  
  Good decent salt-of-the-Earth tax-paying wouldn’t-hurt-a-fly-unless-that-fly-really-asks-for-it happy-with-the-sex-with-which-we-were-born citizens
  
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  October 29, 2019 3:31pm
  - Biscuit
    
    Eye kan sew spel a-l-p-h-a-b-e-t!
    
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    October 29, 2019 3:49pm
Fletch

The Haka performed across many different sports.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0x21u-GzI8c

This says to me that the damn thing is performed too often.
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October 29, 2019 1:57pm
Paulus

Surely the US Constitution is open to different interpretations – like the Treaty of Waitangi.
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October 29, 2019 3:13pm
- Biscuit
  
  Paulus, anything is open to ‘interpretation’.
  
  Why, my very own will – dictated to me by my bit of stuff – reads:
  
  ‘All to that sweet lass I shared a cot with long-term.’
  
  I remind the bit of stuff concerned that our cat has been here long-term, too, and that she may very well contest things after my demise.
  
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  October 29, 2019 3:23pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Endlessly. Only last week, for example, it was determined that the emoluments clauses are bogus.
  
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  October 29, 2019 4:14pm
Morrissey

This documentary on the renowned scholar Norman Finkelstein is well worth an hour and a half of your time.

“It takes an enormous amount of academic courage to speak the truth… those who in the end are proven right triumph, and he will be among those who will have triumphed.”

—-RAUL HILBERG, author of The Destruction of the European Jews

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yloK-JbQpgQ
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October 29, 2019 8:23pm
rightoverlabour

Maybe it’s my European heritage, but I don’t understand the outrage here. Two 15 year old boys had a few shags. They were not forced. Sure the tart used some emotional blackmail at various stages. But you show me many 15 year old boys that are not dying to get a bit of leg over. There are far worse crimes than a 30yr old shagging a willing 15 yr old.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/116982808/former-teacher-admits-sexual-relationships-with-teenagers-in-marlborough

I very much doubt this would even be news in Italy, let alone involve a court case.
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October 29, 2019 8:48pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  How would you feel if it were a 30 year old male teacher shagging your 15 year old daughter?
  
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  October 29, 2019 9:23pm
  - double d
    
    Agree Mikenmild.
    I have a 16 year old Son and he would be Totally messed up by this kind of thing.
    While they have deep voices, look like young men etc, they were just little boys a few years back. She deserves contempt and time inside
    
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    October 29, 2019 9:44pm
rightoverlabour

i’d be pissed off as hell. But I don’t think I’d be involving the cops. A bit younger, definitely and if there was no consent, definitely. However, its a fact that young guys have a far more relaxed attitude to shagging than young girls, and a huge number of teenagers are sexually active from about year 9… I am not saying that what this woman did is right, but I can’t see it as a criminal act.
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