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Vory v zakone

Someone, near here, recently wrote a fictional fable called ‘the noose tightens’
Now it seems the real noose is tightening on Barry the Kenyan’s weaponised dirty cop brigade.

Federal indictments are coming and it is going to be a cold cold northern winter for Comey, McCabe, Brennan, Clapper, Strokz/Page, Ohr (x2) and Steele.
Adult diapers will be a must!

[Unless, of course, they can testify against those higher up the admin chain]

Most of the perps have already lawyered up with the cream of DC criminal defence attorneys, so we can expect some splendid action in the coming months.

Stock up on popcorn boys and girls!

https://dailycallernewsfoundation.org/2019/10/24/nyt-doj-inquiry-into-origins-of-trump-russia-probe-is-now-a-full-blown-criminal-investigation/
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October 26, 2019 8:02am
- KevO'Brien
  
  If Hillary doesn’t keep her mouth closed she will find the courtesy shown to her withdrawn and their Foundation turned over too.
  
  It’s possible her re-appearance has triggered the latest review of the baddies.
  
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  October 26, 2019 8:27am
  - Michael
    
    No I don’t think it has.
    It was always going on in the background.
    It maybe the First AG was a smokescreen for the ongoing work and he left when it was necessary for the next stage with Barr.
    
    I’d like to hope so.
    That Hilary et al were always going to get their Orange Jumpsuits.
    It should be a firing squad.
    
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    October 26, 2019 10:34am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      My suspicions are that Trump has been gentlemanly to a former contender–good manners. The expectation is reciprocity: Hillary should retire gracefully and she may be accorded a public position later.
      The risk now in this battle is on speaking out again and having the truce called off.
      History shows that a a silent opponent may be be let alone to live but a contrary movement will end their days.
      
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      October 26, 2019 12:04pm
- Inandout
  
  Vory, I think Google have blocked the site.
  
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  October 26, 2019 8:34am
  - Vory v zakone
    
    https://dailycallernewsfoundation.org/2019/10/24/nyt-doj-inquiry-into-origins-of-trump-russia-probe-is-now-a-full-blown-criminal-investigation/
    
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    October 26, 2019 8:59am
  - Vory v zakone
    
    Ah yes.This is the original.
    https://dailycaller.com/2019/10/24/william-barr-trump-russia-durham-criminal/
    
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    October 26, 2019 9:13am
- All_on_Red
  
  BREAKING: Former FBI general counsel James Baker has reportedly ‘flipped’ and is now cooperating with the Barr-Durham investigation into the origins of the Russia investigation
  
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  October 26, 2019 8:42am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Baker has flipped because he’s been caught illegally releasing documents/transcripts to a Washington Post reporter (Ignatious)
    Also new text messages released by Flynn’s lawyer Ms Sidney Powell reveal that Lisa Page and Peter Strzok edited Flynn’s 302 form which recorded the FBI agents notes of their interview with Flynn and she essentially fabricated evidence making it look like Flynn lied to the FBI, when he didn’t. The original notes state the Agents thought he was truthful. She changed quotes of Flynns statements.
    
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    October 26, 2019 9:13am
    - All_on_Red
      
      All roads lead to Brennan
      https://thefederalist.com/2019/10/25/all-the-russia-collusion-clues-are-beginning-to-point-back-to-john-brennan/
      
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      October 26, 2019 9:18am
      - stephieboy
        
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        Boring and big yawn! The usual far right deflections and Clinton Conspiracy pulp!
        
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        October 26, 2019 9:24am
    - Fletch
      
      Yup, Tucker interviewed Flynn’s lawyer on his show –
      
      https://video.foxnews.com/v/6088210582001/#sp=show-clips
      
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      October 26, 2019 9:41am
  - stephieboy
    
    “..reportedly ‘flipped”
    
    ???
    
    “reportedly” = factual?
    
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    October 26, 2019 11:41am
  - Vory v zakone
    
    It is also absolutely FASCINATING to watch the lying fake news media, which repeatedly claimed any skepticism of the politicised Special Counsel Mueller probe was a threat to the American Republic, now claim a criminal probe into federal government’s spying and leak campaign against Trump is “political weaponisation.”
    
    Will Ralph and the TDS sufferers be looking forward to Durham’s investigation establishing how complicit the fake news media were with the attempted coup on a duly elected President?
    
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    October 26, 2019 6:09pm
  - IC5000
    
    But wait there is more fake news
    
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    October 26, 2019 8:46pm
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  fascinating, the site is down. Overloaded or DDS attack?
  
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  October 26, 2019 9:02am
- Littletramp
  
  You might just find (time will tell) that Comey is not in the same camp as the others you named. Strong evidence that he may be “Team Trump”.
  
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  October 26, 2019 9:26am
  - Stephen Russell
    
    Or maybe he isn’t on anyone’s team and is just doing his job?
    
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    October 26, 2019 9:49am
  - Inandout
    
    Little, Comey is a prick and seems to refute the saying that tall people are normally comfortable with their size.
    
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    October 26, 2019 9:52am
    - slightlyrighty
      
      well, that’s a reasoned and cogent argument, and certainly not an Ad Hominum attack at all!
      
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      October 26, 2019 10:45am
- Michael
  
  For the USA to have the rule of Law again, it is incumbent that those who have committed crimes and those who covered them up or let them walk, go to Jail.
  This is so that ordinary Americans can have comfort in the Rule of Law for all.
  
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  October 26, 2019 10:32am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Don’t forget, Trump now has Trey Gowdy. Gowdy is not a defence lawyer, he is a prosecutor with a 100% success rate
  
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  October 26, 2019 3:09pm
slightlyrighty

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/emails-show-finance-ministers-staff-tried-to-keep-treasury-criticism-secret/ar-AAJmzBy?ocid=spartandhp

“Most Open and Transparent Government Ever”

yeah, Right….
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October 26, 2019 8:07am
- Swifty
  
  With Labour one must always believe the opposite of any claim they make.
  
  You’re far more likely to be on the money that way.
  
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  October 26, 2019 8:23am
- srylands
  
  The OIA is actually an easy law to follow. Once the government has made a decision and announced it, there are rarely any grounds for withholding the advice it received in coming to that decision.
  
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  October 26, 2019 8:43am
- MrTips
  
  Robertson’s a lying, scheming, incompetent, sand-bagging little toad. Who knew?
  
  For the life of me, I don’t know why the public service tolerate this lot. If I was in Treasury, given the way Robertson has treated them, I would be storing slow leak ammo for May 2020 onwards…..
  
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  October 26, 2019 8:56am
  - Inandout
    
    MrT, Robertson is bitter at not ever being picked for PM. Well he was instrumental in importing people who despise his sort.
    
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    October 26, 2019 9:54am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Treasury have also been spurned in favour of MBIE.
    
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    October 26, 2019 9:58am
    - Michael
      
      is that where Robinson has a following?
      
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      October 26, 2019 10:41am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Probably.
        
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        October 26, 2019 12:06pm
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      Who are far more biddable – and will do whatever the government wants.
      
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      October 26, 2019 1:31pm
  - Piniwi
    
    But MrTips @8.56 am it is of greater concern when we see this quote from the Fat Controller: “In a statement, Mr Robertson defended his officials’ behaviour, saying their approach was “common practice” at that stage of the policy-making process.” Reading between the lines we gather that any affirmative advise from Treasury is trumpeted loudly while any negative advise is gagged. It begs the question as to how much this so called “common practice” is being exercised and what else are not being seen without a OIA request being made?
    
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    October 26, 2019 2:24pm
- niggly
  
  From the article: “The minister’s economic advisor, Alastair Cameron, then tried a different tack ….”
  
  What, the Minister of Finance (Le Robbo) has an “Economic Advisor”? Does this “Economic Advisor” draw pretty pictures using crayons for Robbo to understand what Treasury are telling the Minister or something? Or does the “Economic Advisor” have the task of “selling” the COL”s ridiculous economic postures (policies) back to Treasury to implement (when Treasury officials stop laughing of course)?
  
  Which begs the question, if COL Ministers have advisors, who on earth is advising the PM? Did she borrow someone from the kindergarten association perhaps? Might explain the abundance of visits to such places perhaps!
  
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  October 26, 2019 10:56am
JibberJabber

Margaret Thatcher.
Socialists don’t like ordinary people choosing, for they might not choose Socialism.
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October 26, 2019 8:09am
- Sol Invictus
  
  Correct! As I always say, it’s only democracy if the left wins.
  
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  October 26, 2019 8:21am
Yvette

Delivery.
So “farming” is, by 2025, to establish a system for defining and pricing emissions for penalties for not actually eliminating emissions they can define.

And they have until 2023 to show they are doing the defining and costing or they will from 2025 be charged 5% of those costings (if they are done, one assumes)

And in between there will be two Elections to possibly change the Government.
What could go wrong?
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October 26, 2019 8:14am
- G152
  
  Just maybe food will be priced out of the galaxy at that point and with no ‘global warming’ there will be a lot of red faces desperately looking for the next ‘disaster’
  
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  October 26, 2019 8:22am
  - Yvette
    
    Gi52 – it is already: brussel sprouts $19.75 a kilo
    
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    October 26, 2019 8:49am
  - Jules99
    
    Don’t worry about food prices – we can import cheap food from China who don’t have to worry about it.
    
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    October 26, 2019 9:44am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      That melamine got into that milk powder all on its own then?
      
      Chinese; lying, cheating and stealing their way to prosperity since forever.
      
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      October 26, 2019 1:40pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  The COL have got until 2020, or hopefully less, because they won’t be in office past that.
  They don’t have the right to seize absolute power based on Winston’s say so. They are too ignorant to be in any govt role.
  
  It been all damage so far. Band together.
  Don’t let them divide us for their benefit. Better to be a little easier about the present opposition which may not appear perfect to you.
  The cost of losing is too high.
  ☑️☑️
  
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  October 26, 2019 8:42am
- Humble Capitalist
  
  At which point LAB will do what they do best and take their natural position from the opposition benches pretending that they would be taking more action if still in power
  
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  October 26, 2019 8:46am
- niggly
  
  So the COL want to implement more compliance on farmers – how on earth do farmers have time to farm when they are going to be spending more and more time “filling out forms” and attending courses on understanding yet more “useless regulations” and wandering around km’s of paddocks with a clipboard measuring and noting down how much each cow or sheep is pooing and weeing?
  
  Are the COL trying to turn productive farmers into unproductive bureaucratic pencil pushers or something?
  
  Oh and gee, thanks WinstonFirst, you enabled this Greenie madness!
  
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  October 26, 2019 11:07am
  - Gravelroad
    
    I live on a farm – not of the intensively grazed category.
    It is big.
    It has a lot of waterways and a lot of fences to contain the “farmed” animals which produce the meat and fibre – you know, the stuff people eat and the exports which NZ is supposed to be keen on.
    There are also a lot of game animals eg feral deer, wild pigs and goats, possums, birds (ducks, problem geese and assorted others), rabbits and hares.
    All these also poo and pee at random.
    There is no way to stop them and no fences will keep them enclosed from waterways.
    If there were no farmed animals, their places would be taken by more and more of the feral/wild variety.
    So if managed animals are to be severely curtailed in the interests of green politics, I am waiting to hear about what will happen to the millions of unmanaged ones that we already have.
    And soon, no guns to make a difference either.
    
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    October 26, 2019 1:24pm
Humble Capitalist

Low IQ supporters may have cost Lester a second term. When your IQ is low enough to vote for Lester there will always be a larger than usual number that cant fill out voting papers correctly
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October 26, 2019 8:14am
- mandk
  
  You could say that low IQ supporters almost won Lester a second term.
  
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  October 26, 2019 8:45am
- tranquil
  
  “…there will always be a larger than usual number that cant fill out voting papers correctly.”
  
  It may have been that, or it may have been that the knuckles of his supporters got caught in drain gratings, trapping them so they couldn’t get to the polling booths in time.
  
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  October 26, 2019 10:39am
- niggly
  
  When is common sense (and rules) going to apply?
  
  If the former mayoral Jester gets his way (invalid votes can be counted as being “valid”), well then the Officials may as well recount EVERY local body election result (all thousands of them) because if the Jester can overturn the official results then so can many other candidates.
  
  The Jester also wants a manual recount (despite Officials and Steve Todd on KB saying the OCR technology is very accurate), how many months will it take for a manual recount if some muppet judge decides “this will be allowed”!?!?!?!
  
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  October 26, 2019 11:14am
oldpark

Arrogance and desperation paid for by Wellington Ratepayers. Yes here we have the also ran ex Liebour Party Mayor Lester a has been or a never was filing for a recount after getting his arse handed to him in the recent Wellington City elections.
Nothing wrong for going for a recount,only to also read that Lester following the touchy touchy feely Socialist type of born to rule mentality is also claiming any votes that were disqualified.
What ******* arrogance. Of course sums him up totally when in the previous three years he wielded the Ratepayers cheque books and ran up massive debts for the City. He knew best . Seems with his desperation to win back the mayoralty seat any which way, he has become intoxicated with the power that good old Andy Foster has denied him . Go Andy, look out for some more dirty tricks from the born to rule Liebour stooge Lester.Make sure you dont get robbed by the well known dirty tricks brigade which seem to infest politics at the present time .We won’t name them they know who they are.
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October 26, 2019 8:16am
- Ruahine
  
  Lookout indeed Andy. Not only is it the dirty tricks of the lawbreaking and bending ‘activists’ you have to watch out for but also the politically interested judiciary which is good at muddying the waters.
  
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  October 26, 2019 8:24am
  - Tricati
    
    Have we seen a resurgence in ‘Judicial Activism’ since this Government came to power – I think so as the woke Judiciary now believe they set the rules not Parliament ( Court of Appeal decision ruling Drug dealers can now claim the had to sell drugs to live)
    
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    October 26, 2019 8:45am
- niggly
  
  The Left are already trying to intimidate Foster by declaring who he should choose as Deputy – one of their own of course, rather than say the highest polling Councillor. How unsurprisingly stinky of them.
  
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  October 26, 2019 11:18am
  - oldpark
    
    Yes they bullied Andy Foster to take their nomination foe deputy Mayor. Matches the other Lester deputy mayor who it was rumoured played the race card as a Maori called Jill Day.. A far left lunatic Greenie called Free. FFS. No wonder Wellingtons’economic wellbeing has stagnated over the past nine years,with such a band of self serving rat bags.Lie-bour/ Green councillors what a bloody indictment .
    
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    October 26, 2019 1:07pm
Lee C

NZ Fist putting out a facebook campaign asking gun owners ‘What they think?’ has been a blessing for our democracy.

Discuss.
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October 26, 2019 8:18am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Information harvesting, so they can spam you
  
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  October 26, 2019 8:40am
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  NZ Fist is the designated Freudian approach to people who disagree with them.
  
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  October 26, 2019 8:52am
- Michael
  
  So that they can catch those who haven’t declared their arms.
  
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  October 26, 2019 10:47am
Inandout

‘According to a recent research, the top 5 polluters are China, Indonesia, Philippines, Vietnam and Sri Lanka. A detailed look at the share of each country to this marine pollution gives out a clearer picture of the major culprits. While China is a major polluter, contributing 8.82 tons of plastic wastage that wind up in the earth’s seas annually, it is certainly not alone. The contribution of other offending countries are Indonesia (3.22 tons), the Philippines (1.88 tons), Vietnam (1.83 tons), Sri Lanka (1.59 tons), Thailand (1.03 tons), Egypt (0.97 tons), Malaysia (0.94 tons), Nigeria (0.85 tons), Bangladesh (0.79 tons), and South Africa (0.63 tons)’.
We are talking millions of tons.

The US is 0.3!
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October 26, 2019 8:20am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Where is India? Surely they must be near the top of the list.
  
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  October 26, 2019 8:32am
  - Inandout
    
    CM, maybe India recycles (picks over) its rubbish within the country rather than wash it out to sea.
    
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    October 26, 2019 8:39am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Doubt it.
      
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      October 26, 2019 8:49am
      - MrTips
        
        What do you think they deliver the takeaway curry in?
        
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        October 26, 2019 8:59am
      - SGA
        
        Is takeaway curry a big thing in India?
        
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        October 26, 2019 9:31am
      - sooty
        
        I think they still use tin pots!
        
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        October 26, 2019 10:23am
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  Inandout
  While you reference ‘pollution’ generally, if we focus on GHG emissions specifically and the double standards vis a vis these nations, what is the common demographic denominator in all of those top countries? When we identify the answer, and compare it with the demographic makeup of those nations who are to be tax-raped in the name of saving the Earth, then all is laid bare. Forget what the Eco-Fascists say, and look at the measures they intend to impose. This all has nothing to do with reducing emissions.
  
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  October 26, 2019 8:45am
- stephieboy
  
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  “According to a recent research…”
  
  ???
  
  The US is 0.3 ” Thanks to the Obama years and previous admins! Trump is doing his darndest to make sure the US is back on top!
  
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  October 26, 2019 9:26am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Evidence to back up that ludicrous statement …….
    
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    October 26, 2019 9:36am
- Michael
  
  InandOut
  URL? Please.
  
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  October 26, 2019 10:49am
G152

Most hunter type people I know are to busy to go onto Facebook.
They have lives
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October 26, 2019 8:23am
- igm
  
  And they have businesses and jobs . . . something foul leeching left don’t understand.
  
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  October 26, 2019 9:37am
backster

Now if a meth dealer gets 30% reduction in sentence because he is already an addict ,30% because his lawyer claims he was abused as a child, 30% because he is a Maori and we all know they suffer Post Colonial Stress Syndrome, and 20 % because he is remorseful, can he then carry the 10% excess discount over to his next sentence.
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October 26, 2019 8:24am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  We see this in tax law where if a company has a 49% shareholding continuity then losses can be carried forward.
  I submit that if the addict can prove that he has retained at least 49% of his brain cells then that discount can be carried forward.
  But as the carry forward percentage for imputation credits is 66% that addict must prove that he has retained at least 66% of his brain cells if he is to be able access imputation credits on dividends received.
  Like Judith Collins I went to Methametha College.
  
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  October 26, 2019 8:46am
JibberJabber

A bit of humour for this morning,
https://www.facebook.com/bbccomedy/videos/751829028621347/
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October 26, 2019 8:26am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Do you have a version of this for those who aren’t in facebook?
  
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  October 26, 2019 8:34am
  - John Warren
    
    Second that.
    
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    October 26, 2019 8:52am
  - JibberJabber
    
    I`ve had a look but can`t find it anywhere else.
    Not even on the BBC sites
    
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    October 26, 2019 8:53am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    I have been trying to find away to convert these videos to Youtube without success.
    
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    October 26, 2019 9:00am
  - SGA
    
    I don’t do facebook, and I had no trouble viewing it?
    
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    October 26, 2019 9:33am
  - Jules99
    
    If you can use a VPN to pretend you are in the UK it is probably here:
    
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episodes/b08yxh4h/the-mash-report
    
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    October 26, 2019 9:50am
kevn

@Lee C… Merely a vote buying strategy.
The Fakebook based feedback will be interesting.
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October 26, 2019 8:29am
KevO'Brien

Paris accord: the USA pays.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/10/25/quitting-the-paris-climate-accord-was-trumps-finest-hour/
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October 26, 2019 8:30am
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  Aim: A bottomless pit of funds, from developed countries to be distributed to non-developed countries. Ideological wealth distribution in other words, because…..reasons? Oh, yeah, something to do with we will all die if we don’t. Sounds like a robbery: “Fill the f***in’ bag, or I’ll waste you! Hurry up!”
  
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  October 26, 2019 9:12am
  - Tall Man
    
    Nope. The secret is getting into the distribution role… a la shane jones. That’s where the real gravy is guys.
    
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    October 26, 2019 10:07am
    - The Proper Ghandi
      
      Of course. That is implicit to my comment.
      
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      October 26, 2019 10:19am
    - sooty
      
      100% in. 75% out. 25% administration fee.
      edit
      Someone needs to do an aduit before the election!
      
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      October 26, 2019 10:27am
JibberJabber

Diversity, git some!
https://twitter.com/PeterSweden7/status/1187434847318499329

This is what Labour and the ~~Mentals~~ Greens want for NZ.
14 bombings the last 17 days in Sweden.
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October 26, 2019 8:32am
- stephieboy
  
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  Jibber Jabber , at least they’re not massacring people like here!
  
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  October 26, 2019 9:43am
  - sooty
    
    If you believe that you will believe anything!
    
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    October 26, 2019 10:30am
  - Michael
    
    You Stupidboy!
    
    You know full well the Religion of Peace never sleeps.
    They have massacred people all over the globe both in the month CCH happened and every month since.
    Sadly, too many are their fellow co-religionists but a different sect or apostate because they don’t support the Jihad.
    
    But you say nothing.
    Is it because you are at heart a racist?
    That it is happening “over there” to “Darkies” not in NZ, so you can ignore it?
    
    But then you know the facts don’t you as you troll relentlessly.
    You are both sad and sick.
    
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    October 26, 2019 10:54am
Happychappy

So Winston Peter’s defends sale of Hawkes Bay Land to Japan’s Pan Pac by Calling it “Fake News and Scare Mongering “. So when Winston wants to buck the system on Land being sold in NZ without the authority of our Overseas Investment office, if it has Rural employment with Rural enterprise and Rural exports it is a sound investment on our behalf of Forestry in NZ.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/10/fake-news-and-scaremongering-winston-peters-defends-sale-of-hawke-s-bay-land-to-japan-s-pan-pac.html
Remember the scare mongering from Winston inthe past ,Huka Falls and a few others, now it is ok because it’s what Winston wants and he seems to think he does not need advice or permission from our OIO to endorse a Land Sale in NZ.
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October 26, 2019 8:35am
- Humble Capitalist
  
  Would it be ‘fake news and scare mongering’ if a political opponent was doing the same thing? No it would be an opportunity for populist scare mongering from Peters himself
  
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  October 26, 2019 9:03am
- Yvette
  
  Happychappy
  
  OIO confirmed the deal allowed Pan Pac to buy farm land to convert to forestry.
  Ms Sage said New Zealand needed foreign investment in forestry to meet its billion trees programme and climate change targets.
  
  Gets more trees in the ground …
  
  Pan Pac managing director Doug Ducker said the company was likely to use the special consent to buy land around its wood processing mills at Whirinaki, north of Napier, and at Milburn, south of Dunedin.
  
  … easier transport, when we chop the bastards down
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/in-depth/401655/govt-gives-japanese-owned-forestry-company-pan-pac-forest-products-free-pass-to-buy-nz-land
  
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  October 26, 2019 9:18am
  - Sacha
    
    Well the ‘nephs off the couch’ idea didn’t work, so it’s back to good old private enterprise to fulfil the quota of trees planted.
    Labour will trumpet their success when we meet the target for them, others will denigrate our efforts, and everyone will benefit from the final financial outcome.
    I can see forestry becoming a latter-day Pariah, just like farming.
    Bugger the critics. Want green fields in stead of forests? Buy the land yourselves then.
    
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    October 26, 2019 10:19am
  - Happychappy
    
    Well when the left start questioning the Greens and Winston’s policy on Forestry and the Land being purchased you know that it’s not right.
    https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2019/10/26/guest-blog-bryan-bruce-why-are-we-selling-and-not-leasing-land-to-foreign-companies/
    Winston wants trucks off the road and rail to become the main mode of transport and will use the Greens at every opportunity.
    
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    October 26, 2019 11:21am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Should this rogue decision be subject to judicial review?
    
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    October 26, 2019 12:25pm
srylands

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2019/10/25/878562/urgent-waitangi-tribunal-inquiry-into-mori-child-uplifts

This is just nuts. Maori children are uplifted at a higher rate than Maori children because Maori families experience a higher rate of violence and dysfunction.

No it is not about colonisation or racism by social workers. It is what I said.
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October 26, 2019 8:49am
- John Warren
  
  Maoris would far rather blame something, anything, else, than take a good hard look at themselves and their obnoxious culture of violence. Playing the perpetual victims also opens up never-ending opportunities for demanding “compensation”.
  
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  October 26, 2019 8:57am
  - Rob2
    
    Like this you mean.
    
    https://www.facebook.com/hobsonspledge/photos/a.1282593831785303/2747649675279704/?type=3&theater
    
    Says it all really.
    
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    October 26, 2019 7:31pm
- srylands
  
  Sorry that should have read “… at a higher rate than non-Maori children…”
  
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  October 26, 2019 9:33am
Prince

Henry Cooke, and Stuff, continue to promulgate the lie that NZ First scuppered the Capital Gains Tax.
This makes no sense, as Labour always said they would tax tax reform to the 2020 election, not implement in first term.
What killed the tax was Ardern and Robertson’s inability to defend and ‘sell’ the tax, in the fact of a strong National campaign. It threatened to overpower their 2020 campaign.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/116855014/two-years-in-how-is-pm-jacinda-arderns-government-doing
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October 26, 2019 8:55am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Spot on. And although Peters hates National, he was smart enough to see their anti-CGT campaign was getting traction, so he had a change of heart.
  
  Peters is the perennial follower, but not a leader. That’s why he excels in opposition, but has yet to complete a single three year term as a Minister.
  
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  October 26, 2019 9:34am
- Tall Man
  
  Exactly. They know the gravy train will end soon enough but they will do whatever it takes to stay there as long as possible, even if that means sellout any supporter and drop any policy they think may end that ride.
  
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  October 26, 2019 10:01am
  - sooty
    
    Call me “Sir” Sullen Cullen was not a good enough salesman!
    
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    October 26, 2019 10:33am
- tf78
  
  I don’t believe they ever had any intention of instigating a CGT – I think they left the assumption there so Winston could be the knight in shining armour and seemingly put a halt to it.
  
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  October 26, 2019 11:01am
- KevO'Brien
  
  What killed CGT was common sense.
  
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  October 26, 2019 12:22pm
srylands

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/116938671/iwi-leader-mike-smith-takes-omv-oil-boss-to-international-criminal-court

This is what you call full retard. Iwi leader flies to The Hague on a plane that burns 100 tonnes of JET A1. To try to “prosecute” a company exploring for oil and gas in New Zealand.

Why is this behaviour given any oxygen at all?
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October 26, 2019 8:57am
- Tall Man
  
  “Clickbait”.
  
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  October 26, 2019 9:58am
- Kiwi Dave
  
  It’s quite useful to know that Mike Smith wishes to impoverish NZers and worsen our balance of payments.
  
  When he returns, our news media might like to question him on his funding and the likely impact of a zero carbon policy on tourism, Maori standards of living, etc.
  
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  October 26, 2019 9:58am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Who is funding Mike Smith? Labour? Their underground PR team is very devious. Even Ardern may not know of their scheming to promote the cause as they see it.
  
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  October 26, 2019 12:21pm
the deity formerly known as nigel6888

Distract, deflect, blame whitey. It’s all they have.

Notice the Tribunal members are all nicely funded – it’s hard work being the Maori elite, always having to gin up another crisis so that you can clip the ticket some more.
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October 26, 2019 9:07am
the deity formerly known as nigel6888

Why can’t we just say it. Maori are the ones murdering, beating and harming their kids.

What is even clearer is that it is generally relatives, or the new/latest “partner” that seems predominantly involved.

And pretty much every time, the family closes ranks, the perpetrator was a good boy who loved his mother…. root causes… etc etc etc

How about the root cause being a feral piece of shit?
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October 26, 2019 9:10am
- stephieboy
  
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  All Maoris???
  
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  October 26, 2019 9:31am
  - Sacha
    
    Enough give the whole lot a bad name.
    
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    October 26, 2019 10:24am
  - chaos
    
    Drop the racism. There is no s on Maori.
    
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    October 26, 2019 10:32am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Snork!
      
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      October 26, 2019 10:52am
    - DigNap15
      
      There is no s in sheeps
      
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      October 26, 2019 11:10am
    - stephieboy
      
      Ok all Maori.
      
      Happy?
      
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      October 26, 2019 11:30am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    Just the murdering ones. They seem somewhat over-represented. But obviously you would rather take the cheap shot as usual.
    
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    October 26, 2019 1:34pm
- Ruahine
  
  Is there a glimmer of hope.
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/401793/maori-whanganui-community-rally-together-after-spate-of-deaths
  
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  October 26, 2019 9:31am
  - Tall Man
    
    Possibly but more likely to be the launch of a new gravy train.
    
    I hope I’m wrong but apart from the previous government’s efforts with stats based welfare efforts I have not seen many maori led actions succeed in reductions in violence or drug usage.
    
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    October 26, 2019 10:29am
  - Ruawai
    
    I thought this was great until I saw on the news they were asking the local council for money to support their cause.
    
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    October 26, 2019 1:48pm
- srylands
  
  I did quite a bit of work on patterns of family violence. The risk factors for kids are well understood. Thanks to Bill English pushing for evidence based social policy. If a family has two or more of these factors it is red flag. If it is three or more the kids are at very high risk. Four or more get the kids out. Some of the factors…
  
  One or both parents have criminal convictions
  Male member of household has been in prison
  No member of household in work or training
  Mother does not have at lest NCEA Level 2
  Gang affiliations
  Use of methamphetamine
  Alcoholism
  Family violence call outs
  Male partner of mother is not biological father of one or more children in household
  
  I have just listed them from memory. You can look at different combinations and determine a priority order of at risk kids.
  
  Being Maori is NOT a risk factor that is looked for. It is the other way around. The risk factors are more often present in Maori families.
  
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  October 26, 2019 9:43am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Being Polynesian is the biggest risk factor. This violence is throughout the Pacific. It has to be cultural and genetic.
    
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    October 26, 2019 12:17pm
    - Jules99
      
      Not making specific comments on any particular race, but violence is a symptom of low IQ. They can’t reason properly so lash out.
      
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      October 26, 2019 2:37pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        It would be an interesting research paper : “Are children of higher intelligence Polynesians less likely to be bashed?”
        
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        October 26, 2019 4:56pm
      - IC5000
        
        The Scots-Irish culture has been blamed for much of the gun violence the US and that this has seeped over in the black population. You could be in to something.
        
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        October 26, 2019 6:37pm
      - Rob2
        
        I read about one of the parts of the Longitudinal Study being done by Otago. Its a whole of life study of a group that are now 44 years old.
        The obsevation put forward was that the faster people walk the higher their intelligence level.
        My own observations conncour with that study. Great barometer when employing people.First pointed out to me years ago by a young maori man.
        
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        October 26, 2019 7:40pm
- Tall Man
  
  Because the truth is waycist…….
  
  However, identifying the root cause does not assist in finding a solution in this case. Normally it does but here we have too many sensibilities just waiting to be “offended” and a government and government agencies that are well stocked with the same feral idiots with a strong fiscal interest in maintaining the status quo…. regardless of how many suffer.
  
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  October 26, 2019 9:56am
  - Sacha
    
    I think a lot of the problem arises from the fact that there is no true Maori leadership, and what there is, does not condemn family violence. Neither men nor women.
    All the real outrage is expressed by New Zealanders of European extraction, but excused by the Maori who transfer the blame back on to the European influence.
    Until Maori start demanding that their brothers and sisters shape up, I cannot see any improvement in the statistics.
    
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    October 26, 2019 10:34am
    - DigNap15
      
      I don’t care of maori kill their own children.
      Its one less beneficiary for us to worry about.
      
      One day they will wake and accept that their culture is one of violence, non achievement, and hand outs.
      
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      October 26, 2019 11:13am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Perhaps the Waitangi payouts could be adjusted to claw back the costs. If the offender’s tribal status is uncertain or unknown the costs could be prorated over the whole of the paid claims.
      
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      October 26, 2019 12:15pm
    - Rob2
      
      https://www.facebook.com/hobsonspledge/photos/a.1282593831785303/2747649675279704/?type=3&theater
      
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      October 26, 2019 7:42pm
- Inandout
  
  deity, and in Chicago it is generally the same sector.
  
  https://abc7chicago.com/tag/chicago-crime/
  
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  October 26, 2019 10:10am
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“A hypocrite is the kind of politician who would cut down a redwood tree, then mount the stump and make a speech for conservation. ”

Adlai Stevenson

Now, why is it I cant help but think of Trump and his supporters?
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October 26, 2019 9:33am
- Inandout
  
  stephie, that quote has been used many times and can be referring to ALL politicians. Your hero(ine) Hillary would be the lowest, cheating, lying, warmongering piece of dirt ever elected in the US.
  
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  October 26, 2019 10:12am
- Tempist
  
  Or mike smith….
  
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  October 26, 2019 10:19am
- rangitoto
  
  Sounds like James Shaw and his climate conference jet setting.
  
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  October 26, 2019 10:23am
- rockape
  
  Sounds more like the Greens getting in jets to go to conservation conferences.
  
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  October 26, 2019 10:53am
- rightoverlabour
  
  How Dare you, Greta!
  
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  October 26, 2019 10:54am
Kiwi Dave

In a discussion on nationalism in yesterday’s GD, Odakyu-sen distinguished between loving one’s own country and hating other countries, to which stephieboy replied, ‘I have no doubts that Hitler, Mussolini and Tojo would find commoin [sic] grounds with you.’

Just to dispel my growing (though doubtless mistaken) impression that stephieboy is a synaptically challenged, drive-by troll, perhaps he might like to identify those specific common grounds, as I hadn’t realised O-s supported a fascist dictatorship with secret police, torture, imprisoned political opponents, government-controlled big business and an expansionist foreign policy.
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October 26, 2019 9:36am
- Swifty
  
  Be warned, he is KB’s dumbest commentator.
  
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  October 26, 2019 9:43am
  - chaos
    
    She
    
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    October 26, 2019 12:04pm
    - MrLovebucket
      
      They
      
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      October 26, 2019 1:14pm
- Tall Man
  
  That last bit sounds like ardern’s ideal government.
  
  Pretty sure Odakyu-sen is not a current coalition supporter in their current format nor the one they aspire to.
  
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  October 26, 2019 9:46am
- Jules99
  
  The minute someone trawls out Hitler or Nazis to try and win an argument they have pretty much lost it.
  
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  October 26, 2019 9:55am
  - Biscuit
    
    Jules, I can’t resist:
    
    That’s what Hitler would have said!
    
    (Forgive me!)
    
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    October 26, 2019 11:13am
  - stephieboy
    
    Jules99.I’m happy to just stick to just Tojo!
    
    Happy?
    
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    October 26, 2019 11:28am
    - sooty
      
      Sorry fat fingers, I ment to downtick you. Stephie
      
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      October 26, 2019 12:46pm
- Jack5
  
  Stephieboy is a “they” not a “he”, and I don’t mean in the sense of the woke, who are trying to replace “he/him/his” and “she/her/hers” with “they/them/theirs”.
  
  The style, grammar, spelling, and general tone show that the “Stephieboy” pseudonym is shared by a group. ???
  
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  October 26, 2019 12:13pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Snooze button alert now on!
    
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    October 26, 2019 12:37pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Or one silly girl that keeps forgetting meds…..
    
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    October 26, 2019 1:22pm
- Wangas Feral
  
  Just don’t interact. I wish everyone would just ignore his posts. Don’t downvote, don’t reply – just ignore.
  
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  October 26, 2019 12:49pm
kevn

@Kiwi Dave… septicboy is a multiple persons blogger. Some of them can spell and punctuate, other can’t.
Don’t know why they waste their time on KB, just embarrassing for their mothers.
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October 26, 2019 9:41am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Training for young interns?
  
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  October 26, 2019 12:11pm
  - sooty
    
    Do they all get to share the goat!
    
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    October 26, 2019 12:45pm
    - chaos
      
      One of them is the goat
      
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      October 26, 2019 2:53pm
Happychappy

Goverment Department confirms support for Todd McClay over Chinese Billionaire Donation issue.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/401773/todd-mcclay-gets-govt-department-support-over-chinese-billionaire-donations-issue
I wonder how Jacinda and JLR are feeling now after there statements over there view of the donation.
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October 26, 2019 9:46am
- chaos
  
  Jami will soon pipe up under his Simon account
  
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  October 26, 2019 12:02pm
- Tricati
  
  They wont give a shit – To make some mileage out of a sound-bite is all they where after, as the facts don’t apply to the left or muppets like JLR.
  
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  October 26, 2019 12:05pm
Tall Man

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/mike-hosking-breakfast/audio/james-shaw-responds-to-disgruntled-greens-supporters-on-emission-levies/

Of course it is a sellout to the green zealots.

Anything less than the complete destruction of any enterprise or group they despise is a failure in their immature minds.

shaw is no better, he is just doing whatever he can to stay at the trough with ardern and the rest of them who serve at the pleasure of “what’s in it for wynston”.
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October 26, 2019 9:49am
- chaos
  
  * The Young Greens are frustrated their senior MPs had to compromise on the Government’s Emissions Trading Scheme changes.
  
  The new regime will see agriculture get away with not having to pay anything until 2025, and only then be responsible for 5 percent of emissions. *
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/10/we-don-t-have-time-young-greens-slam-their-party-s-incredibly-disappointing-ets-compromise.html
  
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  October 26, 2019 11:52am
- chaos
  
  *A sell-out of monumental proportions’: Greenpeace blasts Government over ETS
  
  “They have broken all their promises on this issue. It’s just plain as plain,” he told Newshub Nation.
  
  “They’ve made a decision not to put agriculture into the ETS, even though it’s Labour Party policy, it’s Green Party policy, even though it was in the coalition agreement with New Zealand First,” Dr Norman said. *
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/shows/2019/10/a-sell-out-of-monumental-proportions-greenpeace-blasts-government-over-ets.html
  
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  October 26, 2019 3:01pm
  - DigNap15
    
    Great news.
    
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    October 26, 2019 4:13pm
  - rangitoto
    
    Interesting if it is true that Norman knows what is in the coalition agreement.
    
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    October 26, 2019 8:23pm
nasska

I’m certain that Mr Smith fully intended to row his waka to Austria & only the direful urgency of the trip would have convinced him to fly.

Nevertheless according to https://calculator.carbonfootprint.com/calculator.aspx?lang=en-GB&tab=3 his travel has had a woeful effect on Earth’s delicate atmosphere. No indigenous trougher worth his salt would travel with the plebs so I’ve used business class seating to calculate his CO2 emmissions at 14.35 tonnes for a return trip.

How will he atone for his sins against Ghaia?
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October 26, 2019 10:09am
- niggly
  
  Well he won’t be offsetting his carbon emissions by planting more trees that’s for sure …. I hear he has a penchant for chopping them down!
  
  Hmmm so not only is he aiding and abetting “genocide” by traveling by aeroplane, he is “sabotaging” natures efforts to absorb CO2 by reducing the tree population.
  
  Misguided and foolish behavior at play? Or simply a fool?
  
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  October 26, 2019 11:39am
  - Tall Man
    
    He’s no fool… He’s found a new gravy train to ride and I think the “fools” may well be us as I’m sure we’ll be financing it in some way.
    
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    October 26, 2019 1:19pm
- chaos
  
  Poor guy hasn’t been offered a free Tesla to drive around in
  
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  October 26, 2019 2:31pm
JibberJabber

Cop a load of this pompous pseudo-intellectual posturing from a couple of (we know what`s best for you)Labour simpletons.
https://twitter.com/NZNationalParty/status/1187798479281807360
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October 26, 2019 10:12am
- Tall Man
  
  “Up and comers”…. like vomit.
  
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  October 26, 2019 10:56am
- niggly
  
  Not a problem, any Labour Ministers with hurty feelings just need to run off and tell the Speaker and he’ll enforce the ban hammer with glee.
  
  Note: This does not apply to Green and NZF Ministers with hurty feelings. The Duck only protects its own!
  
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  October 26, 2019 11:32am
- chaos
  
  Problem is these nut jobs believe their trash. I see the head immigrant nut job Sherwood is posting there.
  
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  October 26, 2019 12:01pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Deborah should have stuck to bookkeeping.
  
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  October 26, 2019 12:09pm
  - Jazzby
    
    Actually, before she got interested in taxation policy, she was a lecturer in philosophy at Massey; I was a student in that subject at the time, although she and I never met. So we have to assume that she does know a thing or two about ‘eudaimonia’ (the classical Greek concept of well-being).
    This having been said, her recent public posturing rather suggests that she’d like us all to know how jolly clever she is; I have to say that this is not exactly an endearing character trait, as I see it. Perhaps she has forgotten that modesty is a virtue.
    
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    October 26, 2019 1:16pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      I don’t regard her ability in speaking in the House as much above the general COL rank -3.
      Being demoted from the intellectual kingdom of Philosophy to taxation is like being strapped in a straight jacket.
      
      Once a thinker…
      
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      October 26, 2019 5:00pm
The Proper Ghandi

Nationalism is just one expression of in-group preference. That is, those who share a set of values, a common history and distinct cultural norms. Those who oppose it have malleable values, re-write history and want a homogeneous culture.

If people reject in-group preferences outright, then I’m coming over to their unlocked house at a time of my choosing, helping myself to the food in the fridge at the expense of the inhabitants, then I’m going to bang your wife while you look on. If you are consistent, then I can’t see any legitimate complaints.
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October 26, 2019 10:13am
- stephieboy
  
  Again, I believe any ultra Nationalist of contemporary history would find common ground with those sentiments!
  
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  October 26, 2019 11:43am
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    Yes, but that is a straw man so is invalid. Nationalism is not ultra-Nationalism. Nationalism is a noun. Ultra is an adjective, ascribing a property. The latter typically involves attributing something further, such as racist ideals, or socialism in the case of the Nazis. I made no mention of either.
    
    What time should I pop over?
    
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    October 26, 2019 12:58pm
Hugh Pavletich

NEW ZEALAND: Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern talking herself on to the Opposition benches …

Two years down, parties shaping up for election battle … OPINION Luke Malpass … Stuff NZ

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/116933595/two-years-down-parties-shape-up-for-election-battle

Pavletich / Paulson comment on thread … in moderation …

If this Henry Cooke interview with the Prime Minister is any guide, Jacinda Ardern with the Labour Party, will be on the Opposition benches within a year.

The performance with the housing issue (which is a significant part of child poverty as well) has been woeful. Why is this government still effectively BANNING the provision of new affordable housing, because it is failing to deal with land supply and proper infrastructure funding ?

The 3 monthly IPSOS Issues Monitors are consistently telling us that housing is the major issue … by a country mile. Westpac’s Dwelling Preference Survey tells us that, overwhelmingly, Kiwis want detached housing with a backyard.

Will this government deliver in time … to survive ?

The IPSOS New Zealand Issues Monitor – July 2019

https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/ct/news/documents/2019-08/6th_ipsos_new_zealand_issues_monitor_released_1_aug_19.pdf

Survey finds Kiwis’ backyard dream still alive and well (Westpac Bank) … Scoop New Zealand

http://business.scoop.co.nz/2019/05/28/survey-finds-kiwis-backyard-dream-still-alive-and-well/
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October 26, 2019 11:02am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Up ticked for your perception of Ardern.
  
  I don’t mind who is in Government so long as they are both capable and honest–she fails those basic tests.
  
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  October 26, 2019 5:06pm
Notsofast

From the herald

“Police contacted Anderson at 8.30pm last night to inform him that a 45-year-old man and 47-year-old woman had been charged with murdering Blackmoore.

In May this year, a $100,000 reward was offered for information on the case.

Detective Sergeant Todd Hamilton said the investigation into Blackmoore’s death remained ongoing and detectives were committed to ensuring all those involved were held to account.

“Our thoughts are with Angela’s family at they continue to mourn her tragic death.

“Police would like to thank members of the public for information provided following a renewed appeal in May 2019.””

I guess they will have 100k to help find the owners of the dna under Christine and Amber Lundy’s fingernails.

Or will they continue to pretend they got the right man whose dna was not under the fingernails after a struggle.
The supreme court drags its heels on issuing a transcript of the supreme court hearing, if it is produced as promised people will learn how intensely embarrassing it is for the police, the prosecution and the previous appeal court.

It is just two months on, the hearing was around 6 hours in total.
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October 26, 2019 11:05am
- sooty
  
  In ya dreams!
  
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  October 26, 2019 12:42pm
  - Notsofast
    
    Except this also from the herald and Phil Taylor
    
    “A former top Canadian justice official tells how a belief that wrongful convictions couldn’t occur was turned on its head by the arrival of DNA evidence. Canada now leads the way in addressing common causes of miscarriages of justice that also affect New Zealand.
    “It’s a little unusual to have someone with a prosecution background to be still concerned about the prospect of wrongful convictions.”
    
    So says Canadian Bruce MacFarlane, QC, a former deputy justice minister for the province of Manitoba. Most of his career, his job was to lock up offenders. For 15 years as a young prosecutor, he was in court just about every day and later ran the whole process as the Justice Department’s director of federal prosecutions.
    
    He slept well at nights until, under his watch, DNA proved that David Milgaard was innocent of a rape and murder for which he spent 23 years in jail. That sparked a royal commission.
    
    The evolution of DNA technology enabled a profile to be detected in a dried semen sample. As well as clear Milgaard, it identified the real offender.
    
    “At the time we were at a stage where the attitude was that wrongful convictions don’t really happen. Those raising their voices about it were wrong because we had so many safeguards in the system. That was the general atmosphere. DNA changed the picture.” ”
    
    Here’s the thing, the supreme court may issue a judgement that the conviction was inevitable, but that will not explain the dna under Christine and Amber’s fingernails, that is impossible to get with a handshake. Mark Cooper wrote the appeal judgement, he is plain wrong. This is a contingent hazard for our appeal and supreme courts, the real perpetrator will be found after they have signed off on a massive hoax. Not a good look, and it may be the chief justice is beginning to understand.
    
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    October 26, 2019 4:57pm
Maggie Pie

Jack Tame currently interviewing a ‘Relationship expert’ on his show, and lamenting the fact that he has always ‘struggled to find the right person’. He’s even called for listeners to txt him with their tips.
So come on boys – here’s your chance! 😛
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October 26, 2019 11:17am
- chaos
  
  He needs to come out of the closet
  
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  October 26, 2019 12:26pm
- sooty
  
  Of course he struggles what soy wet weak soy boy wouldn’t!
  
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  October 26, 2019 12:41pm
- Jules99
  
  Maybe he needs to turn himself into a macho hunter with swandri, work boots and a gun over his shoulder. I’m sure that will be much more appealing.
  
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  October 26, 2019 2:33pm
- skyblue
  
  Ryan Bridge may be available to fill a void?
  
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  October 26, 2019 3:35pm
niggly

Have I missed something, where is KB’s knowledgeable and informative Maggy W?

I trust nothing amiss and she is enjoying a holiday or busy with life (and not because of .. lets not go there)!
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October 26, 2019 11:29am
- chaos
  
  Likely got tired of being stalked and nothing done about it.
  
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  October 26, 2019 12:25pm
- Tall Man
  
  YSB ?
  
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  October 26, 2019 2:00pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I’ve been contributing to our CO2 emissions.
  Will be back in NZ next week.
  
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  October 26, 2019 7:50pm
- rockape
  
  I was hoping she would be here having watched the rugby. Looks like the Scotts are not the only ones getting on an early flight!
  
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  October 26, 2019 11:52pm
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October 26, 2019 11:44am
Jack5

Most African refugees headed for Europe aren’t fleeing war or upheaval. They mainly come from the relatively (for Africa) Western African nations of Nigeria and Senegal. And in their native countries they earn more than the national average.

This is the finding of a UN survey. It has found that the “brightest and best” are trying to move to Europe.

An interesting Spiegel review of the survey:

https://www.spiegel.de/international/globalsocieties/un-report-says-it-s-africa-s-best-who-are-migrating-to-europe-a-1293136.html#ref=nl-international
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October 26, 2019 12:09pm
- stephieboy
  
  Like the” best and brightest” migrants have always done especially the USA, Canada, Australia etc
  
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  October 26, 2019 12:35pm
  - Jack5
    
    If that is invariably the case, then, measured by the “best and brightest” we encounter here, ?Stephiestan? is Zombie Land.
    
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    October 26, 2019 2:00pm
- Inandout
  
  Jack5, I always thought ordinary Germans were responsible for the 100% increase in sexual offending, and not the ‘brightest and best’ from Africa.
  
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  October 26, 2019 3:18pm
chaos

Whoops

* Shocking photographs of Democrat Katie Hill posing naked with a tattoo of what appears to be a Nazi-era Iron Cross on her bikini line while smoking a bong and making out with her young female aide have been obtained exclusively by DailyMail.com

The congresswoman, 32, was also pictured naked brushing the young woman’s hair, who DailyMail.com can identity as Morgan Desjardins, 24, from Santa Clarita, California.

Desjardins began a relationship with Hill and Heslep shortly after she started working for Hill in 2017, before the three-way affair broke down this summer when Hill told both her husband and her lover that she wanted to focus on her work. *

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7609835/Katie-Hill-seen-showing-Nazi-era-tattoo-smoking-BONG-NAKED.html
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October 26, 2019 12:23pm
- Inandout
  
  chaos, a Democrat from California stroking another Californian. Well bugger me.
  
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  October 26, 2019 3:21pm
sooty

Disabled car parks!
Are they allowed to be used at the supermarket by able bodied people to go shopping and leaving the disabled person in the car, with the parking permit on the dash.
Should they not be using a normal carpark?
I feel they are abusing the system!
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October 26, 2019 12:27pm
- chaos
  
  Sure why not. Did you stay there the whole time and make sure the son never got out at some point or the other son was coming back to check on them.
  
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  October 26, 2019 1:39pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Of course they should! My partner still uses his dads disabled parking permit everywhere we go. And if push ever comes to shove, he does an amazing take-off of Steady Eddy. It’s actually gotten us out of the poo on many occasions.
    
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    October 26, 2019 3:30pm
- alwyn
  
  In fact you are not allowed to do this. It is only allowed if the disabled person is going to leave the vehicle.
  https://www.ccsdisabilityaction.org.nz/mobility-parking/rules-and-regulations/
  “Mobility parking permits are issued to a person, not a vehicle. The permit should only be used if the permit holder needs to get in or out of a vehicle.
  If the permit holder is going to stay in the car, the vehicle must be parked in a standard parking space.”.
  
  Incidentally the advent of mobile phones with good cameras has made getting rid of people who abuse the system very easy. I arrived at a disability park only to see a Courier driver there recently. I held up my permit, and my phone and indicated he had better move. He immediately jumped back in the van and moved it.
  After all I could take a photo of the van, and its number plate, and in a matter of minutes send copies to his employer, the Council, the Police and the local paper.
  
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  October 26, 2019 2:27pm
- Jules99
  
  “Mobility parking permits are issued to a person, not a vehicle. The permit should only be used if the permit holder needs to get in or out of a vehicle.
  
  If the permit holder is going to stay in the car, the vehicle must be parked in a standard parking space.”
  
  From the Disability Action web site. My dad has one because he is disabled following a stroke, so I had heard that that was the case.
  
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  October 26, 2019 2:29pm
- toby1845
  
  Run a key down the side of the car and see how quickly the son responds.
  
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  October 27, 2019 12:03am
Happychappy

How many Government’s have pored millions into Kiwi Rail to find out later they need more and more of taxpayers money to keep it going.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/rail/news/article.cfm?c_id=296&objectid=12279370
The PGF has already poured millions in with feasibility studies and cost relating to tunnels and lines without this £900,000 plus being pour in now. All because Winston wants a legacy.
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October 26, 2019 1:06pm
- nasska
  
  $94,800,000 could have employed hundreds of road coners & stop/go graduates to hold up traffic while a couple of men filled potholes.
  
  For a year or two at least.
  
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  October 26, 2019 4:40pm
- sooty
  
  His legacy is how much does not get pssed on in the PGF fund!
  
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  October 26, 2019 5:22pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  KiwiRail will be a millstone around this country’s neck until some Government has the balls to get rid of it.
  Nearly achieved about 25 years ago and then the idiot ‘Call me Sir’ Cullen bought the bloody thing back.
  18th century technology getting more irrelevant and expensive by the day.
  
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  October 26, 2019 5:22pm
  - Rob2
    
    Not so. Kiwirail was a neglected company. God only knopws what the BOP would be like without our rail It bad enough now with all the Jaffa’s and others turning up here.
    
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    October 26, 2019 8:35pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Only TWO parts of the Kiwi Rail organisation make money.
  
  The ferries and the rail network N of Hamilton and S of Whangarei.
  
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  October 26, 2019 7:49pm
- Rob2
  
  Good, Northland need the rail.
  
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  October 26, 2019 8:34pm
Doubledimp

Haven’t heard anything from Kim Dot Blob’s deportation recently? Are the current government dragging the chain? He could share a row with Karel Shroubek.
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October 26, 2019 4:32pm
- sooty
  
  Slease is just waiting for instructions from Cindy.
  It’s above his pay grade and does not want to upset her!
  
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  October 26, 2019 9:07pm
chaos

The mind boggles at how the media report things according to newshub trump furious and lashing out.

* US President Donald Trump lashes out over Apple iPhone design

United States President Donald Trump has lashed out at the head of Apple, complaining about the most recent iPhones.

In a tweet on Saturday morning (NZ time), the so-called leader of the free world tweeted that he “far” preferred the home buttons on iPhones than the swipe-up feature on Apple’s latest devices.*

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2019/10/us-president-donald-trump-lashes-out-over-apple-iphone-design.html

So what did trump say

* To Tim: The Button on the IPhone was FAR better than the Swipe!*

If this is lashing out the media should read my email to Apple about their incompetent, non English speaking customer support.
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October 26, 2019 5:16pm
Hugh Pavletich

CHINA: What is the lack of rural land reform costing China ? …

China’s countryside ‘returning to poverty’ as lack of reforms help fuel urban-rural divide … Elaine Chan … South China Morning Post

https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3034590/chinas-countryside-returning-poverty-lack-reforms-help-fuel

• China’s rural economy is at the heart of national policy, but the income gap between the country’s villages and cities is widening

• Experts say the government needs to kick start much-needed reforms of the rural pension system and land rights, with US trade war increasing pressure … read more via hyperlink above …
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October 26, 2019 7:49pm
Tauhei Notts

It is General Debate and the All Blacks just got rogered in an awful manner and there are no comments on Kiwiblog!!!
Please review your moderation policy.
Where is that admirable caustic criticism that I have come to enjoy.
Somebody might write fcuk, but who really cares; robust discussion of politics and rugby are required.

[Mod: This moderator was watching the rugby!]
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October 26, 2019 11:10pm
De Vinci 333

National Government in charge = two consecutive Rugby World Cup wins, COL in Government and we loose – go figure. Good for Boris if England win RWC. He’ll romp home in an election.
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October 26, 2019 11:46pm
rockape

Great day for me, Makos and England won!
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October 26, 2019 11:54pm
mark15

Well,so long ABs.
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