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RRM

Cindy Stardust and the Gropers from Uranus

Cindy played concerned, jamming good with Clare and Robbo,
And the Gropers from Uranus. She addressed the UN
But took it too far
Became the special Mum, then we were Cindy’s band

Now Cindy really hugggzz, screwed up eyes and screwed down head scarf
Like some cat from Wogistan, she could lick ’em by smiling
She could leave ’em to hang
Absolutely transparent man, well travelled, and pearly white choppers.

So where were the Gropers, while the ombudsman tried to break our balls
With just The Spinoff to guide us,
So we bitched about Soimon’s fans and should we crush his sweet hands?

Cindy played for time, jiving us that we weren’t pedos
The kid was just crass, she was the nazz
With God given ass
She took it all too far but boy could he play concerned

Making love with Colbert’s ego Cindy threw some weak orange man slurs
Like a lefty NPC
When the kids groped the younger kids I had to break up the band.

Cindy played concerned..
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October 25, 2019 8:02am
- RW Capitalist
  
  all to the music of the late great Bowie
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtuXJBjtS8g
  
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  October 25, 2019 9:27am
DigNap15

I’d say the Coalition is not very happy at the moment with backdowns to the Greens and NZ First.
Can it last?
Will it last?
Would it come together again after the next election?
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October 25, 2019 8:03am
- cmm
  
  Let’s face it the CoL was a convenience because they were so hungry for power.
  After 2 years that hunger has worn off a bit. It is getting embarrassing working with each other.
  
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  October 25, 2019 8:22am
  - sooty
    
    Just wait for wee jimmy to be shafted and some swivial eyed loon is elected in his place to go with the brown princess!
    
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    October 25, 2019 9:03am
  - Simon
    
    2017: Lets do dis
    
    2020: it’s National fault
    
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    October 25, 2019 9:15am
- rockape
  
  Do they have a choice at present? But wait till we get an election date then we will see sparks fly.
  
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  October 25, 2019 9:49am
Maggie Pie

Has Meng Foon crossed to the Dark Side?

https://twitter.com/NZStuff/status/1187205589216006144
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October 25, 2019 8:03am
- BobbyS
  
  Foon was / is the wrong person to be made Race relations commissioner
  The “maorification” of all things kiwi / NZ is nauseating
  
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  October 25, 2019 8:14am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    On the surface, “maorification” benefits people who self-identify as Maori by making them feel morally superior and entitled.
    
    But is such moral superiority and entitlement a good thing to have? I think not.
    
    I think that over time, a sense of moral superiority and entitlement actually makes the holders weaker.
    
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    October 25, 2019 8:51am
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    More pertinently, why do we even need a Race Relations Commissioner? Another pointless government position sucking up funds unnecessarily. What has anyone in that role ever actually achieved?
    
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    October 25, 2019 8:56am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      The paradox is that by demanding that races be treated differently from one another, you are actually fostering more racism.
      
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      October 25, 2019 9:28am
    - pdm
      
      Hiwi Tauroa was okay – but that was a long time ago.
      
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      October 25, 2019 9:45am
  - Rich Prick
    
    Oi! It’s Ourateearowa, not NZ.
    
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    October 25, 2019 9:29am
- Inandout
  
  Meng The Destroyer.
  
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  October 25, 2019 8:31am
  - Tall Man
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gemllJwmU4c
    
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    October 25, 2019 10:16am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Meng the Merciless ?
    
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    October 25, 2019 10:31am
- John Warren
  
  The RRC is nothing more than a personification of a pyschosomatic mental illness known as Post-Colonial White Guilt Syndrome.
  
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  October 25, 2019 11:07am
- cut n paster
  
  Has Meng been vetted for connections with the CCP?
  I know it sounds racist to even ask, but after the Aussie Chinese Polly, Gladius Liu being so shy with the truth…. the enemy are within!!
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/sep/11/gladys-liu-proud-australian-questions-raised-ties-with-china
  
  He’s a true plastic Maori – just like a Tiki.
  Green, shiny and made in China.
  
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  October 25, 2019 4:14pm
Frank Thomas

“All Black’s meet England in one semi-final, the Wallabies meet Ireland…….. at the airport”
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October 25, 2019 8:05am
- hullkiwi
  
  I was in England in 1995. In the build up to the 1995 semi final, you would have had to have been living on another planet if you believed that the ABs stood any chance against England in 1995. None of the hype was ever with any foundation.
  
  Reading the English press this week, the hype has been no different. However, I mindful of what Stephen Jones (of all people) wrote about English efforts after the first week of this year’s tournament, “if England continue to play the same way through the tournament (and they have, except against Aust), they will not stand a chance against the All Blacks.
  
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  October 25, 2019 8:22am
  - Frank Thomas
    
    Ah yes Stephen Jones, the Welshman whose hatred of the All Blacks is only superceded by his love affair with England rugby.
    
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    October 25, 2019 10:25am
    - James Stephenson
      
      Guffaw. I never used to quite understand Kiwis antipathy towards Jones and Reason in particular, but Eddie Jones’ “fans with keyboards” analysis of New Zealand rugby journalism made everything clear for me.
      
      I’m sure that the England team are taking the compliment that Hansen has paid, by dropping a form player to change tactics for them, on board.
      
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      October 25, 2019 11:57am
BobbyS

I am going to stop calling you a white man and I’m going to ask you to stop calling me a black man.

Morgan Freeman

I am going to stop calling you a malaka and I’m going to ask you to stop calling me a pakeha.

BobbyS
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October 25, 2019 8:09am
mikenmildagain

And gentlemen in England now a-bed
Shall think themselves accurs’d they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin’s day
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October 25, 2019 8:09am
- RW Capitalist
  
  From this day to the ending of the world,
  But we in it shall be rememberèd—
  We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
  For he today that sheds his blood with me
  Shall be my brother; be he ne’er so vile,
  
  “nd gentlemen in England now a-bed
  Shall think themselves accurs’d they were not here,
  And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
  That fought with us upon Saint Crispin’s day”
  From Henry V
  
  Taking the paragraph on it’s own
  Makes it look like it is an event that has happened and he is describing.
  Instead it is a rally call to arms, that if you accept will be remembered throughout history and if you reject, will regret it.
  But we know you can misrepresent anything, including Shakespeare.
  
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  October 25, 2019 9:00am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    WTF?
    
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    October 25, 2019 9:36am
    - freethinker
      
      Which is what Usually think of most of your posts.
      
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      October 25, 2019 1:37pm
  - Fletch
    
    A great reading of this is a film in which Danny DiVito plays a sort of english teacher for Army recruits. The Sergeant thinks the whole poetry thing a waste of time and asks a recruit to recite some during exercises. This great scene ensues –
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHYeDqEngxU
    
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    October 25, 2019 9:39am
  - pb
    
    Good reminders: This story shall the good man tell his son.
    
    Agincourt by Bernard Cornwell, audible version available:
    
    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0061578908/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i31
    
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    October 25, 2019 9:42am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Good book. His fictional account is terific, too:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azincourt_(novel)
      
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      October 25, 2019 9:57am
    - Fletch
      
      I like Cornwell…. kind of. I used to read his books but he seems kind of anti-religious and would always take a swipe in every book. Having a priest or other religious do something bad. I mean, one of his books told the story about Alfred the Great (who was very great), but in the book all Alfred’s accomplishments are due to a rouge viking winning all his battles. Cornwell seems to want to have it both ways – tell history, but warp it i his own way to change the heroes…
      
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      October 25, 2019 10:23am
      - James Stephenson
        
        You do understand the concept of “artistic licence” and the difference between a non-fiction history and a novel don’t you?
        
        One of the things I like most about Cornwell is the way he puts a historical note at the end of his books and points out where he has made changes, or in the case of the Saxon books, filled in historical unknowns for the purposes of making a good story.
        
        Sharpe is forever taking the credit for real soldiers and manages to turn up at every major battle in the Pensisular, despite the 95th not actually being there – all of which Cornwell explains for the reader.
        
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        October 25, 2019 12:04pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Gatto watch out for those rouge Vikings – Eric the Red, for example.
        Cornwell’s hero in that series is actually a Saxon, but raised by Danes and an enthusiastic adherent of the Old Norse religion – not a fan of the Christians’ “nailed god”.
        
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        October 25, 2019 12:21pm
      - pb
        
        Cornwell digs in in his work, and takes the mick out of all sides of the story: pagan vikings and christian and puritans and sacarens and jewish. His take on the “nailed god” is a mix of insult and respect. It also brings out that christ was indeed tortured and nailed to a piece of wood, like a criminal. The saturation of our culture with Christian iconography has taken the blood out of the cross. One of his newest books [Fools and Mortal] he writes of Shakespeare & his brother, and brings to light Will’s hidden Catholicness in a world of persecuting puritans. The puritans were definitely the bad guys, and the Catholics the good guys. But everyone gets the piss taken out to a satisfying level of entertainment.
        
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        October 25, 2019 3:18pm
    - fightingtemeraire
      
      Bernard Cornwell’s books Sharpe… are excellent.
      
      In every book he walks the battlefields before writing and his research is superb.
      
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      October 25, 2019 10:42am
      - DigNap15
        
        Yes he is a really good writer, I have go all of his Sharpe books.
        He knows his history of the era well.
        
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        October 25, 2019 11:21am
- James Stephenson
  
  Come on you lot. Don’t just down tick because it’s Mikey.
  
  It’s the 604th anniversary of Agincourt.
  
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  October 25, 2019 9:05am
  - sooty
    
    But that’s why we down tick mikey.
    Thinks he’s is clever but comes across as a loon!
    
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    October 25, 2019 9:56am
  - Tall Man
    
    Still no reason not to downtick the snide prick.
    
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    October 25, 2019 10:00am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Remember the scene in Fawlty Towers when Basil is pretending to have forgotten his anniversary? Sybil asks him if he know what day it is. “Agincourt? Anniverary of the Battle of Agincourt?”
    
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    October 25, 2019 10:03am
  - Lance
    
    And the creation of the two fingered salute. Specifically aimed at the French whom were massacred by the English longbow, using the Archers two draw fingers.
    
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    October 25, 2019 10:09am
  - Random T Person
    
    I’m with you on this one James. I like Mike’s comments, even if I don’t always agree with them. And I rarely have reason to downtick him.
    
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    October 25, 2019 10:29am
- MCos
  
  The Charge of the Light Brigade also took place on St Crispin’s Day, 165 years ago.
  
  Half a league, half a league,
  Half a league onward,
  All in the valley of Death
  Rode the six hundred.
  “Forward, the Light Brigade!
  Charge for the guns!” he said.
  Into the valley of Death
  Rode the six hundred.
  
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  October 25, 2019 9:07am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Watch the Kenneth Branagh 1989 version of Henry V.
  
  EXCELLENT
  
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  October 25, 2019 10:46am
Simon

Chinese Telecommunications Device Manufacturer and its U.S. Affiliate Indicted for Theft of Trade Secrets, Wire Fraud, and Obstruction Of Justice

A 10-count indictment unsealed today in the Western District of Washington State charges Huawei Device Co., Ltd. and Huawei Device Co. USA with theft of trade secrets conspiracy, attempted theft of trade secrets, seven counts of wire fraud, and one count of obstruction of justice. The indictment, returned by a grand jury on January 16, details Huawei’s efforts to steal trade secrets from Bellevue, Washington based T-Mobile USA and then obstruct justice when T-Mobile threatened to sue Huawei in U.S. District Court in Seattle.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/chinese-telecommunications-device-manufacturer-and-its-us-affiliate-indicted-theft-trade

Huawei – thieving CCP scum.

Funds invested in NZ by Huawei tainted by its criminality.
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October 25, 2019 8:13am
- alloytoo
  
  Peddle your guilt trips elsewhere.
  
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  October 25, 2019 8:26am
- chaos
  
  Show me a telecommunications company that hasn’t been in court for stealing competitors technology
  
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  October 25, 2019 8:54am
  - Simon
    
    AT&T Mobility:
    Verizon Wireless:
    T-Mobile US:
    Sprint Corporation
    
    Cant find any criminal charges against these companies for thieving
    
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    October 25, 2019 10:31am
    - chaos
      
      Gee, let me think, do any of them manufacture telecommunication equipment. You really are an idiot..
      
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      October 25, 2019 10:54am
- stephieboy
  
  Simon,
  
  Spy vs Spy
  
  https://www.etsy.com/au/listing/475814873/spy-vs-spy-mad-magazine-alfred-e-neuman
  
  Sigh!
  
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  October 25, 2019 9:31am
- Tall Man
  
  So.. how’s life going simon no phone…. no laptop………. no undies.. no trousers…… no shirt………. no TV……….. no modem……… no fucking clue!
  
  You are as big a hypocrite as the watermelons.
  
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  October 25, 2019 9:59am
  - Simon
    
    Lol. Sorry Tall Man unlike Natz swamp don’t suck CCP cock.
    
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    October 25, 2019 10:37am
    - chaos
      
      Poor jami lee, you are so hated now, you should go back and get help.
      
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      October 25, 2019 11:11am
    - Tall Man
      
      Well I guess you must be using a non Chinese keyboard because that comment is all Greek to me.
      
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      October 25, 2019 12:21pm
      - chaos
        
        Maori Siri?
        
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        October 25, 2019 3:39pm
Maggie Pie

Mark Richardson ‘accidentally’ outs Ryan Bridge on AM Show.

My partner yells gleefully, “I bloody well told you so!”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv-radio/116861095/this-is-as-bad-as-ive-ever-felt-mark-richardson-accidentally-outs-ryan-bridge-on-air
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October 25, 2019 8:19am
- Inandout
  
  MP my missus said that months ago, just his demeanor I suppose, although lisping was not unknown to John Key. I guess in his case it was a speech anomaly.
  
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  October 25, 2019 8:34am
- rouppe
  
  Gleefully because…?
  
  I actually prefer the lineup of Ryan, Carlie and Mark, though personally I think think Ryan Carlie and Nicky Styrus would be off the charts.
  
  Ryan’s dry witty humour is a relief over Duncan’s breathlessness, and Carlie’s personality slots in much better as a group dynamic than Amanda’s.
  
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  October 25, 2019 8:37am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Gleefully because….?
    
    Cos’ he always reckoned i had a dose of the hots for Ryan 😛
    
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    October 25, 2019 10:05am
    - Tall Man
      
      Man bun?
      
      https://jameswatt.me/man-bun/
      
      Not these FFS…………
      
      https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2012/07/this-underwear-makes-man-butts-look-perfect/
      
      😉
      
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      October 25, 2019 10:47am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  I like Ryan Bridge as a host. He is well able to present an argument to the bullies like Jones and Peters who attempt to brow beat interviewers from their position.
  
  I don’t care what he does in his own time as long as it does not involve children, animals and crazy, there are boundaries after all.
  
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  October 25, 2019 8:39am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Very proud of the pair of them right now.
  This exactly how to behave.
  Being gay is not a badge to wear, it is not offense it just is.
  We should treat all people like this
  Male, female
  Black, white etc
  etc
  when it comes to these things, people should be see through
  ie we don’t see male/female
  gay/straight
  black/white
  etc
  Didn’t someone mention, “the content of their character” once?
  
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  October 25, 2019 8:41am
  - tf78
    
    I always look at people’s eyes and never even notice the colour of their skin. I don’t mind what they are as long as they are good, honest and hopefully a sense of humour.
    
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    October 25, 2019 11:27am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      There are only 2 types of people
      Assholes
      and
      Non assholes
      all you have to do, is pick which one you choose to be,
      
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      October 25, 2019 5:06pm
- chaos
  
  Your partner yelled gleefully? Hmmm, did you just out your partner?
  
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  October 25, 2019 8:49am
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  Well, now I know three extra things:
  
  1. There is a show called The AM Show.
  2. There is a guy named Ryan Bridge who works on that show.
  3. That guy is gay.
  
  Excellent.
  
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  October 25, 2019 9:01am
  - Tall Man
    
    Job done… crack a beer 😉
    
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    October 25, 2019 9:54am
  - Colville
    
    I can relate…but I will add, as I suspect you would too..
    
    4. I still dont give a fuck.
    
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    October 25, 2019 10:14am
    - Frank Thomas
      
      Snap
      
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      October 25, 2019 10:45am
  - Frank Thomas
    
    4. A fcuk I do not give!
    
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    October 25, 2019 10:44am
- cmm
  
  Two words: ratings stunt.
  
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  October 25, 2019 9:07am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Butt as my partner sez, ” If that was the case, surely they would be looking to pull something that actually increased ratings?”
    
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    October 25, 2019 9:16am
    - cmm
      
      Look what PG says above:
      Now people have heard there’s something called AM Show and might want to go look there for a bit of sticky beaking…
      
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      October 25, 2019 9:38am
      - Tall Man
        
        Not me.
        
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        October 25, 2019 9:55am
      - MCos
        
        Not particularly
        The days when people switched channels in NZ to see what a gay person looked like are long gone, if they ever existed at all.
        
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        October 25, 2019 10:22am
      - G152
        
        We see enough evidence of fake news without pursuing it throughout the TV media.
        Let them die and their purveyors find other ways to spread their propaganda
        
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        October 25, 2019 12:51pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Maybe it will Maggie within their target audience…………
      
      I doubt “real men” watch for the odd burst of sanity from Mark Richardson.
      
      😉
      
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      October 25, 2019 9:56am
    - Inandout
      
      MP, they have probably lost most Mt Roskill viewers.
      
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      October 25, 2019 10:02am
  - SGA
    
    It didn’t look like it to me – it looked as though Richardson made an innocent blunder – I don’t think he’s that good an actor.
    
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    October 25, 2019 9:25am
  - Frank Thomas
    
    “What a cunning array of stunts” as the magician said to the showgirl chorus line…..
    
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    October 25, 2019 11:47am
- Charmaine Hawke
  
  Both men handled it well and Bridge is like the vast majority of gay people who it is just another part of their life as opposed to the only part of their life.
  
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  October 25, 2019 9:19am
  - sooty
    
    And don’t needto go look at me, look at me!
    Must piss the mincers off big time!
    
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    October 25, 2019 10:03am
  - ISeeRed
    
    Straight men often joke about being gay and it’s usually just good-natured teasing. Mark hardly declared it out loud, he almost muttered it during some crosstalk. Ryan could have pretended not to hear and let the comment slide.
    
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    October 25, 2019 10:25am
  - Sacha
    
    I like Ryan Bridges. He can be good fun while being serious. I’m surprised at the number of people who think gayness is something to be remarked upon. And I have no problem with ‘man-buns’. apart from the fact that some people don’t suit them – like some middle-aged women who continue to wear their hair long as if they were still a teenager – perhaps they don’t see that it gives them a witch-on-a-broomstick look –
    I can get along with the afternoon host (whose name has escaped me – senior moment) too especially when he is having fun baiting people.
    
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    October 25, 2019 11:31am
- graham
  
  Two more words: Who cares?
  
  I’m not particularly pro- or anti- homosexuals, I just wish the more vocal ones would STFU and do what 99.99% of everybody else does – stop making a big deal about who’s straight, gay, or whatever and just get on with life.
  
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  October 25, 2019 9:31am
  - Ruawai
    
    That is what Ryan has done in the past, not make being gay the issue unlike Tamti Coffey
    
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    October 25, 2019 10:22am
- mark15
  
  A white man on TV who turns out to be gay?
  Imagine my surprise…said no one ever
  
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  October 25, 2019 10:03am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Just I thort Mark R’s comment “…that Ryan collects ex-boyfriends”, made poor ol’ Bridgey sound a bit like the local equivalent of a Jeffery Dahmer 🙁
  
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  October 25, 2019 10:45am
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  Maggie
  ‘Your partner’ is like the Madge Allsop of the Kiwiblogosphere.
  
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  October 25, 2019 1:29pm
Scott

Many critics, including the owner of this blog, were happy that at last we have got Donald Trump! Amb Taylor was clear that there was a quid pro quo! Orange man bad! He’s definitely going to be impeached!

But here is a rule of thumb on all of these anti-Trump charges. Take it as your default position that they are all bull shit. We were told for two years that Trump is a Russian lapdog and a traitor to his country. It was all bull shit. Now we are told that Trump blackmailed the Ukrainians to get dirt on Joe Biden. First of all Donald Trump doesn’t respect Joe Biden and would be happy to run against him in the presidential election.

Now we find out that the selective leaking about what Amb Taylor said was highly selective. This is Republican John Radcliffe giving the other side of the ambassadors testimony –

“I found [Taylor] to be very forthright. He had very strong opinions about Donald Trump’s approach to foreign policy,” Ratcliffe said. “But again the mainstream media reporting that he provided evidence of a quid pro quo involving military aid is false. I questioned him directly on that. And under Adam Schiff’s rules I can’t tell you what he said, but I can tell you what he didn’t say. And neither he or any other witness has provided testimony that the Ukrainians were aware that military aide was being withheld. You can’t have a quid pro quo with no quo.”
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/10/behind-closed-doors-3.php
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October 25, 2019 9:03am
- Tall Man
  
  What amuses me is that he is being accused of using leverage to force a probably corrupt government to reveal details of corruption by a senior member of the US government.
  
  Now leaving all the silliness aside that it involves Trump so must be bad, why can’t a sitting government pressure another government to assist them to pursue corruption within their own country?
  
  Could there be any parallel with a sitting labour mp in one country digging up “secrets” about a senior politician in another country with a view to affecting that country’s parliament?
  
  But hey, I guess it’s alright when lefty losers do it.
  
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  October 25, 2019 9:53am
- mikenmildagain
  
  I wonder if any more patriots are planning to lock themselves in congressional committee rooms to obstruct the impeachment invesitgations?
  Lasted four or five hours, although they had to have pizza delivered.
  Reminded me of Social Credit occupying a room at our parliament. At least they brought along a portaloo.
  
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  October 25, 2019 10:08am
  - Scott
    
    Mikey – I’m just pleased to see that the Republicans are rediscovering their intestinal fortitude! Previously when the Democrats attacked Donald Trump they all just faded into the woodwork or agreed with the left. Now they are learning to fight.
    
    That’s what people admire so much about Pres Trump. He fights back against all the liars and leftists, all the corruption, all the fake news media. All the people who lied to try and smear Justice Kavanagh. All the people who are so drunk on power that they couldn’t accept the result of the 2016 election.
    
    That’s what this is all about. Leftists whose only religion is politics who just cannot abide that they lost the 2016 election. It’s appalling and despicable but that’s where we are.
    
    Write this down. Trump will be the sitting president in 2020. And given the Democrat field he is looking a shoe in for four more years. Just try and accept it. 🙂
    
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    October 25, 2019 11:26am
    - SGA
      
      That’s what this is all about. Leftists whose only religion is politics who just cannot abide that they lost the 2016 election. It’s appalling and despicable but that’s where we are.
      
      Write this down. Trump will be the sitting president in 2020. And given the Democrat field he is looking a shoe in for four more years. Just try and accept it.
      
      Scott, most of the people on this particular blog who dislike and/or distrust Trump (including DPF) aren’t that left wing. It may suit you to paint Trump as a victim solely of “liars and leftists”, but there are also honest, educated, economically conservative people who aren’t fans. He’s also had his share of problems with people that he himself chose to work with him in the White House.
      
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      October 25, 2019 11:58am
      - Tall Man
        
        While there are some “normal” people afflicted with TDS you really have to ask why.
        
        Remember the fuss I caused by posting “ardern is a liar” which we have all known since day 2 was an accurate statement yet all these “normal” people “pounce” on any half truth promulgated mainly from the left or any misstatement that Trump himself makes.
        
        Now I can actually understand the poor lefties in the US having difficulty with not having hillary the crook as their president but why the fuck does any “normal” person really give a flying fuck here in NZ?
        
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        October 25, 2019 1:55pm
      - Scott
        
        SGA – totally understand that some people are not fans of Pres Trump. He can be a very loud American and New Zealanders generally don’t like loud Americans. But this constant desire to overturn the result of the 2016 election and toss him out of office is tiresome and incredibly wrong.
        If people don’t like Pres Trump then vote him out in the next election which is only a year away. That’s democracy for you.
        
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        October 25, 2019 2:57pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I really don’t get this ‘overturn the result of the 2016 election’ nonsense. That’s precisley what the impeachment process is for – to remove someone from office outside the normal election process.
        
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        October 25, 2019 3:28pm
      - Batman
        
        Sssshhhhh Mike, you’re ruining their genius narrative!
        
        It’s a coup, remember?
        
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        October 25, 2019 3:29pm
      - SGA
        
        But this constant desire to overturn the result of the 2016 election and toss him out of office is tiresome and incredibly wrong.
        If people don’t like Pres Trump then vote him out in the next election which is only a year away. That’s democracy for you.
        
        Scott, this isn’t a US blog, and most of the people here aren’t US citizens. They are, for the most part, NZers with an interest in politics, society, and world affairs. Most, including those critical of Trump, are more right leaning than left leaning politically.
        
        If you want to make daily posts on GD extolling and defending your hero, fine. On the other hand, your technique of trying to paint anyone who doesn’t share your passion as a radical leftist, liar, or lunatic wears a bit thin after a while.
        
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        October 25, 2019 3:30pm
      - SGA
        
        @Tall Man
        
        why the fuck does any “normal” person really give a flying fuck here in NZ?
        
        That’s a fair point. On the other hand, the USA is the major world power, and who leads it does have some impact on NZ along a variety of dimensions. That said, the intensity with which some here on Kiwiblog are obsessed with Trump does, I agree, seem disproportionate.
        
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        October 25, 2019 3:39pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        stable genius?
        
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        October 25, 2019 3:39pm
      - Scott
        
        SGA – I’ve never called you a leftist! ?
        
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        October 25, 2019 8:15pm
      - SGA
        
        Didn’t mean to imply that you had, but that still leaves lunatic and liar, I suppose. 🙂
        
        On the other hand, I’m far from the most outspoken about Trump here. True, I’m not a fan, but I tend to view the thing as a black comedy. It is more that I’m perplexed by the passion of his “faithful” on this blog (TDS to the detractors!!!). They take to heart policies that have little immediate bearing on NZ (e.g., Trump will get Mexico to pay for a wall between the two countries – actually I can’t even remember where that has got to). I can only surmise that he serves as some sort of icon/prophet for them.
        
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        October 25, 2019 9:13pm
  - Scott
    
    And one more thing. The Republicans went into the congressional committee rooms to argue for transparency and an open hearing. What can possibly be wrong with that? Why wouldn’t the media support them on that?
    
    The answer is that the Democrats and the media, sorry I repeat myself, want the present situation where there are closed doors and they can selectively leak details about the hearing they think will harm Pres Trump. Which is an underhand and dishonest way to do things.
    
    But you probably understood that Mikey? As someone else recently stated regarding you – missing the point is your superpower.
    
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    October 25, 2019 11:31am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      The current hearings are taking evidence from witnesses. All the congressional committees have republican members and staffers to ask questions. This is perfectly normal.
      
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      October 25, 2019 3:30pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        But maybe we just need to reset our expectations of normal. The president’s personal lawyer has now told a federal judge that Trump could shoot a random pedestrian and avoid prosecution while in office.
        
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        October 25, 2019 3:32pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        And meanwhile, the Wall Street Journal argues that the president should not be impeached, because:
        
        while Mr. Trump wanted a quid-pro-quo policy ultimatum toward Ukraine, he was too inept to execute it
        
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        October 25, 2019 3:37pm
  - Michael
    
    missing the point mikie
    
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    October 25, 2019 4:27pm
  - Vory v zakone
    
    Yeah the 30 odd republicans were “obstructing” a Kangaroo Court secret investigation yet when most of the Demtard House members conducted a sit in at Capitol Hill it was considered a “principled protest”
    Lol
    
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    October 25, 2019 4:46pm
- Fletch
  
  And as I posted yesterday, Taylor is tied to Atlantic Group which is tied to Burisma, where Hunter Biden worked…
  
  https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/10/23/who-william-taylor-impeachment-star-witness-longtime-relationship-burisma-backed-think-tank/
  
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  October 25, 2019 10:26am
- Inandout
  
  Not a hope in hell Trump will be impeached, the ‘evidence’ being behind closed doors with a ‘secret whistle blower’ cuddling up to Schist. Republicans burst into the Star Chamber and find Schist and blower in a huddle, surprising the hell out of Adam Ant. This is comedic and brings the US lawmakers into disrepute.
  
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  October 25, 2019 11:13am
  - G152
    
    Hopefully one of the ‘breaker ins’ had his cellphone out and got a portrait of the ‘witless’ (woops, sorry) witness
    
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    October 25, 2019 12:56pm
RW Capitalist

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bh602oHQJ-Q
listen to 1:00 min to 1:30 min
EU agree to extension to 31 Jan, election 12 Dec.
With Labour lagging so far in thebpolls, he will have a majority if parliament and get what he wants/ what the people want….BREXIT.
Corbin would be comiting political suicide either way Suicide on 12 Dec or suicide at the next scheduled election, painted as the obstructionist.
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October 25, 2019 9:12am
- MCos
  
  The best thing Labour could do over there is change leader.
  In the meantime Boris needs Corbyn to agree to an election and it seems that’s not going to happen.
  So what’s next, I wonder?
  
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  October 25, 2019 11:17am
Happychappy

You tell one lie to cover up a bad example and then get caught out for the lie being another lie as Stuart Nash has been driving without a registration for over two months.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12279431
How can you expect the poor to obey the rules if your Police Minister has a blatant disregard for them.
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October 25, 2019 9:12am
- cmm
  
  Don’t worry, PriNZess will hug him and he will stop offending.
  
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  October 25, 2019 9:40am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    But how to stop him being offensive???
    The harder question.
    
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    October 25, 2019 10:24am
- Tall Man
  
  At least the herald was kind enough to nash to hide the full story behind their paywall.
  
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  October 25, 2019 9:44am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Right Click – View Page Source – Copy and paste into YSB …..
    
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    October 25, 2019 12:48pm
- kevn
  
  @Happy… Just no good on details, probably relies on his wife to pick up after him.
  I wonder if he remembers to fill it fuel? Maybe she does that as well.
  
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  October 25, 2019 9:49am
- ross411
  
  It’s almost as if some people think the rules don’t apply to them..
  
  Like the islanders who put their culture before the law, and then whinge that they had to put their culture first, and the judge rules that they get a pass because there are special rules for them.
  
  Like the police minister who sees them as beneath him, and only relevant to right-wing politicians, and the plebes.
  
  No real surprise here..
  
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  October 25, 2019 9:57am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Which is worse–Winston’s lack of attention to his personal affairs over super payments which he makes a typical aged persons fuss over or the young Minister of Police knowingly driving without a rego?
  
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  October 25, 2019 11:21am
- Sacha
  
  He seems to have a wee compliance problem – remembering his reg renewal, being on time –
  
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  October 25, 2019 11:51am
- rightoverlabour
  
  However, I don’t see this as a major issue. I have 3 vehicles and have forgotten to check the WOFs and the Rego on occasions. He is human, and probably one of the better Labour MPs ( except on his gun law shit). Covering up Rapists by Cindy and Robbo is far more serious.
  
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  October 25, 2019 12:50pm
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    You are not in charge of the police who are his (Nash’s) personal hammer-threat held over LFAOs. I expect the Minister of Police to be better.
    
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    October 25, 2019 1:32pm
  - Jules99
    
    Happened to me last year – I paid the rego on time but forgot to put the new tag in the window. Wrote a letter and they let me off thank goodness as it was a hefty fine.
    
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    October 25, 2019 2:57pm
stephieboy

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I waa struck with a pic on RNZ this morning of Golriz and what a striking resemblance she is to the Duchess of Cambridge.

Remarkable!

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/401741/terrorism-suppression-bill-national-labour-and-greens-continue-to-battle-it-out
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October 25, 2019 9:25am
- sooty
  
  Ya dreamin, dickhead!
  
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  October 25, 2019 10:05am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Herd of goats?
  
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  October 25, 2019 10:14am
  - Tall Man
    
    Heard of idiots……… steffy!
    
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    October 25, 2019 10:43am
- Frank Thomas
  
  Hmmm….Miriama Kamo?
  
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  October 25, 2019 10:53am
- RightNow
  
  Let me guess, you think they’re both hot?
  
  Just remember… don’t stick your dick in crazy!
  
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  October 25, 2019 12:54pm
Happychappy

How long can Labour and the Coalition keep manipulating the figures of other of there policy that has gone wrong before the public finally wake up to the fact they are being played. Lost working days through strikes is the latest problem with even the union questioning the figures.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/116819768/the-case-of-the-missing-strikers-unions-employers-want-data-after-year-of-industrial-action
This Prime Minister should be nailed for the blatant lies her Colition tells but time will tell if finally the public have had enough of the bullshit and will call her out for the inability to tell the truth.
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October 25, 2019 9:26am
- sooty
  
  Lost working days.
  Do all the climate marchers count?
  
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  October 25, 2019 10:06am
- Tall Man
  
  Fat chance.
  
  Look how “well” I did on here with that and this is supposedly an “alt right jingoistic” blog if steffy could spell that………
  
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  October 25, 2019 10:41am
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Quote of the day,

” Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind.”

Albert Einstein

https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/albert_einstein_107012?src=t_infantile
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October 25, 2019 9:33am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  People get nationalism, patriotism and jingoism confused.
  
  There is a big difference between a) loving your own country and b) loving your own country and hating other countries.
  
  If I love vanilla ice cream. Does that make me a vanilla supremacist?
  
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  October 25, 2019 10:00am
  - Random T Person
    
    Don’t reason with fools, Odakyu-sen!
    
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    October 25, 2019 10:34am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      Random T Person,
      
      I am attempting a pink-yellow manoeuvre.
      
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      October 25, 2019 1:03pm
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        I got the pink. Almost have the yellow.
        
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        October 25, 2019 2:32pm
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        The pink has disappeared.
        
        Oh well….
        
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        October 25, 2019 4:55pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Well it is white……
    
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    October 25, 2019 10:40am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Yes It’s White. Remember Black Good, White Bad.
    
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    October 25, 2019 12:52pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Odakyu-ssen, I have no doubts that Hitler, Mussolini and Tojo would find commoin ground with you.
    
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    October 25, 2019 1:33pm
    - Jack5
      
      ? Are the Stephie syndicalists the measles of Kiwiblog-kind?
      
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      October 25, 2019 3:46pm
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  Einstein was a genius physicist. I don’t think anyone disputes that. That doesn’t make everything he ever said true, particularly in areas outside of his expertise. Nice bumper sticker though.
  
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  October 25, 2019 1:39pm
Tall Man

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/opinion/barry-soper-nz-first-government-delivers-with-euthanasia-bill/

That pretty much sums up the msm and the coalition.

David Seymour has the courage to push through with a bill that hopefully the majority support and rather than use the courage they all supposedly possess our elected representatives back down to the will of “what’s in it for wynston”.

If ever there was a government that clearly demonstrated the need for some form of “recall” legislation in New Zealand.

If these useless cu,ts think referenda are the way to govern then resign and let’s do this without them.
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October 25, 2019 9:42am
Rocky Jnr

Feeling sorry for Tulsi Gabbard copping vitriol from Crooked Hilary. I wonder if we could exchange her for JAG
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October 25, 2019 9:48am
- Maggie Pie
  
  With you there Rocky 😀
  
  https://twitter.com/TheBabylonBee/status/1187066156726640642
  
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  October 25, 2019 9:59am
- James Stephenson
  
  I don’t think TG could have hoped for a better publicity boost, to be honest.
  
  Clinton is showing an almost Twyford-esque ability to achieve the complete opposite outcome to the one she desired.
  
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  October 25, 2019 10:27am
- Inandout
  
  RJ, Hillary in her very obvious vindictiveness, looks upon Tulsi as somewhat resembling Monica, that woman who hung out in the White House corridors with her wandering husband. The New York Times has swung behind her and this can only end in failure.
  
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  October 25, 2019 11:26am
- curry4me
  
  Didn’t HC make a ststement regretting Tulsi Gabbards unfortunate ‘accident’ in a couple of weeks?
  
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  October 25, 2019 7:41pm
Yvette

The actual reporting that “Greens approve 20,000 hectares of land sales to Japan” does display a little honesty and integrity for once.

Japanese-owned Pan Pac Forest Products was given the special approval to bypass the OIO to purchase land for forestry for the next three years as the government sought foreign forestry money to help meet its tree planting targets. [1]

It is “to help meet its tree planting targets.”

But the whole aim of the exercise is to fell the trees for timber and pulp –

Pan Pac managing director Doug Ducker said the company was likely to use the special consent to buy land around its wood processing mills at Whirinaki, north of Napier, and at Milburn, south of Dunedin. [1]

“buying land around its wood processing mills” – saves on transport

Ardern told the UN General Assembly of New Zealand’s 1 Billion Trees Plan, saying “150 million are already in the ground”
But in the same period how many million trees has commercial Forestry harvested (felled).
Because, like the Japanese interests, that is what Forestry does – whack down elsewhere 95% of what they plant.

[1] – https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/in-depth/401655/govt-gives-japanese-owned-forestry-company-pan-pac-forest-products-free-pass-to-buy-nz-land
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October 25, 2019 9:50am
- kevn
  
  @Yvette… We have a wall of wood right now. Plus Russia is coming on strong with log exports and they are close to the buy markets.
  Tis a fickle business logging, boom or bust.
  
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  October 25, 2019 9:59am
  - Tall Man
    
    Plus Finland.
    
    “Forest industry in Finland consists of mechanical (timber) and chemical (paper and pulp) forest industry. Finland is one of the world’s largest producer of pulp, paper and cardboard and one of Europe’s largest producers of sawn timber. The forest industry directly and indirectly employs approximately 160,000 people in Finland. The industry’s multiplier effects extend broadly into surrounding society.”
    
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    October 25, 2019 10:38am
  - Sacha
    
    Apparently the supply route via rail from Russia to the Chinese mills is problematical, and NZ log prices are rising again because NZ logs go directly to the ports which were specifically built for log imports.
    
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    October 25, 2019 12:02pm
    - Jack5
      
      You think it’s cheaper to move logs from NZ forests to China than from Siberia to China?
      
      I doubt it, but even if so, it won’t be for long. Have a look at this Amur bridge project that not only links north-east China’s railways with Russia’s but shortens the rail distance of China to Europe by 700km :
      
      http://www.ecns.cn/news/society/2018-06-04/detail-ifyuurnp0999232.shtml
      
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      October 25, 2019 3:37pm
- Ruawai
  
  Bit like 1800 additional police vs 1800 new police and some old ones retiring so net gain a lot less than 1800
  
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  October 25, 2019 10:29am
  - cut n paster
    
    1800 you say ha ha ha Jacinda’s Thin Blue Line.
    Manipulating the stats is not acceptable from the govt, when delivering….
    https://ibb.co/myHmrCc
    
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    October 25, 2019 7:42pm
Maggie Pie

Snork !

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EHE7TxOXYAUUibe?format=jpg&name=900×900
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October 25, 2019 9:53am
srylands

This is fucking nuts. How did a major hospital end up with totally inadequate parking?

People go to such extreme measures to get a park. That disproves this idea that large numbers of people will give up their cars and cycle to work.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/116812955/christchurch-hospital-workers-sacrifice-sleep-for-car-park-scramble
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October 25, 2019 9:56am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  “This is fucking nuts. How did a major hospital end up with totally inadequate parking?”
  
  Because it was planned by dopey lefties who think that everyone should go to work on a bike.
  
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  October 25, 2019 10:44am
  - barnacle bill
    
    CM, considering that the Chch Public Hospital was first built in 1862, I presume all that was required for so called parking was a hitching rail to tie up the horse and cart.
    No one could see into the future, whether from the left or right of the political spectrum.
    
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    October 25, 2019 1:39pm
    - Jack5
      
      The problem comes partly from the hospital being based since the beginning on a corner of Christchurch’s central park.
      
      The piece of land beside it that held the big Nurses “home” (hostel), was also carved out of the park. This went to Ngai Tahu under the tribe’s sweetheart settlement giving it first option to buy South Island state assets being sold.
      
      If the hospital moves, no doubt the site will end up as the site of a huge hotel, fully or partly owned by the tribe, but leased to an international chain.
      
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      October 25, 2019 3:42pm
      - barnacle bill
        
        Jack5, do you honestly believe that the Public Hospital will move ?
        
        The cost of doing so would be huge, more than any Government would front up with.
        On top of that, where would it move to ?
        The DHB,s are already up their eyeballs in debt.
        
        The only answer for parking has to be over the road in Hagley Park, but we know the fight that would be.
        
        The Hospital is in the wrong place, but hindsight is a wonderful thing.
        
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        October 25, 2019 4:27pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  I hate it how the comment under the photo is “he was killed by a police pursuit”.
  He was NOT killed by a police pursuit. He was killed by a dickhead driving dangerously breaking the law and going through a red light.
  
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  October 25, 2019 11:01am
  - srylands
    
    I head along that route early on Monday mornings headed to the airport. It could easily have been me. Yet the driver will probably get community service. What the fuck were they doing cruising and high at 0400 on a Tuesday?
    
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    October 25, 2019 1:09pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  The city is getting full up with bicycle ways impeding car traffic. Parking buildings cost money and are anti-green. Feelingz rule reality.
  
  Too many cars can gum up a city.
  
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  October 25, 2019 11:28am
  - Tall Man
    
    Yet they overwhelmingly returned the mayor……….
    
    How did that happen if the people weren’t happy?
    
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    October 25, 2019 12:16pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  because we allow heavily indoctrinated anti-car graduates of urban planning classes to have control over development of cities. Christchurch CBD is dying because they have made car access and parking such a hassle – so people move their businesses to friendlier suburbs and go shopping in easily accessed urban malls instead.
  
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  October 25, 2019 12:04pm
kevn

Three high service fire appliances in Auckland and two were out of action/broken… Really? How come?
We all pay insurance levies to the Fire Service. Their income from levies is huge. Along with lots of UK import Fire Service management.
Two out of three appliances available, maybe, but one out of three is just incompetent.
Private enterprise would not allow that to happen.
Imagine the crane operators on these high rise jobs saying, “sorry only one of the three cranes is going”.
Don’t think so.
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October 25, 2019 9:57am
- chaos
  
  Things break, things need fixing.
  
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  October 25, 2019 10:36am
  - chaos
    
    Adding to this if you read the article the second heavy appliance was undergoing maintenance on the day and arrived there in the afternoon after being fixed. So including the one from Hamilton they had three. But it does appear even the fleet in Wellington are rundown.
    
    * A second heavy appliance was undergoing routine maintenance and was on the scene by 3pm.*
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/116826026/full-heavy-aerial-appliance-fleet-unavailable-to-fight-skycity-fire
    
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    October 25, 2019 10:52am
- MCos
  
  I somehow doubt privatising the fire service is the answer to deficiencies shown up by this event.
  Private enterprises cut corners too.
  Anyway it’s not going to happen so the current system needs to be brought up to scratch.
  Here’s some interesting info from the NZPFU
  http://www.nzpfu.org.nz/
  
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  October 25, 2019 12:50pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  yes but bus lanes are being painted and new speed signs created, and new pedestrian crossings being made, but Fire appliances, Nah, Not important…
  
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  October 25, 2019 12:54pm
Hugh Pavletich

CHINA …

More Property Developers Cut Prices to Raise Cash as Demand Flags (behind paywall) … Caixin
… via 90 @ 9 https://www.interest.co.nz/

https://www.caixinglobal.com/2019-10-24/more-property-developers-cut-prices-to-raise-cash-as-demand-flags-101475060.html

More property developers in China are cutting prices on new homes to boost sales and raise cash amid flagging demand and a tougher environment for debt refinancing.

Sunac China Holdings Ltd., the country’s fourth-biggest real estate group in terms of sales, has reduced prices for properties in a development in Tianjin, a coastal city some 100 kilometers southeast of Beijing, by 30% in the past two months, according to one homeowner who bought his apartment in September. The resident, who declined to be named, said he paid 16,000 yuan ($2,260) a square meter for his property, but the price for apartments in a newly released block has been reduced to 12,000 yuan. Prices for parking spaces have fallen by as much as 50%.

Homeowners are furious and nearly 100 have protested to the company about the cuts. They have refused to accept the developer’s explanation that it had to make the move due to poor sales and feedback from buyers that the layout of apartments was poor, the resident said. … behind paywall … read more via hyperlink above …
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China’s Property Bond Boom Clashes With Housing Market Realities … Wall Street Journal

https://www.wsj.com/articles/chinas-property-bond-boom-clashes-with-housing-market-realities-11571900401

Here’s what is really causing the global economic slowdown … CNN Business

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/24/perspectives/economic-slowdown-trade-war/index.html
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October 25, 2019 10:22am
Prince

Mallard forgets he is in a a Select Committee and not Parliament, where he can shut down any criticism of his Party.
This article highlights what a bully Mallard is, and how Finlayson can still run rings around him with wit and humour, even having left the bear pit (at the bottom of the article).

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/401733/parliament-tv-attack-ads-speaker-reprimands-academic-over-comments
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October 25, 2019 10:23am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Once a partisan bully (as Mallard has repeatedly been proved to be), always a partisan bully. However Mallard chose the wrong person to bully yesterday; kudos to Professor Claire Robinson for doing what bullies hate most, and fighting back.
  
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  October 25, 2019 11:05am
- Maggie Pie
  
  I reckin…..
  
  https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EHmKoxZW4AAOTbN?format=jpg&name=900×900
  
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  October 25, 2019 11:36am
- KevO'Brien
  
  The Speaker may have rights not to be offended. He has no external rights affecting how any supposed offence is perceived by him.
  His dignity may be offended by a light bulb failing to turn on and he calls out the sparkies in the middle of the night to service it. How he reacts is his personal problem. He seems a bit twitchy to continue in his High Office.
  He’s not in schoolroom now.
  
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  October 25, 2019 11:41am
Tall Man

This must remind us of the coalition negotiation between ardern and “what’s in it for wynston”.

Neither really had a fucking clue what the other was saying.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi_6SaqVQSw
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October 25, 2019 10:23am
- chaos
  
  And then you throw the greens in
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wf-aMZmDCvA
  
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  October 25, 2019 11:58am
godruelf

There was an issue a few years ago that big firms were getting their insurance overseas and avoiding the Fire Service levy. Don’t know if this is still the case but would certainly hope that Fletchers and Sky City had been contributing to the Fire services that they took advantage of.
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October 25, 2019 11:03am
- Tall Man
  
  The levy is merely “collected” by the insurance industry but technically even those without insurance must pay the levy.
  
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  October 25, 2019 12:13pm
brett68

National is going to sell us out to the China and India if they get reelected in 2020.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1908/S00288/bridges-and-brownlee-to-visit-india-and-china.htm
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October 25, 2019 11:17am
- Inandout
  
  brett, so anyone who visits China or India is suspect? Well I agree that Biden & Son fall into that category, but certainly not B&B.
  
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  October 25, 2019 11:29am
  - brett68
    
    Mate, National will throw open the doors and tell China and India that all are welcome in NZ and to show you how serious we are we’ll enshrine it in the free trade agreement with India.
    
    Fuck the country and the people of NZ, all that matters will be the money and the business opportunities that will open for Nationals business supporters.
    
    You won’t recognize NZ in another 10 -15 years
    
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    October 25, 2019 11:52am
    - Jack5
      
      If you’re an over-50 Aucklander returning to the city after decades away would you recognise it now?
      
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      October 25, 2019 12:01pm
    - Jack5
      
      If you were an over-50 Aucklander returning to the city after decades away would you recognise it now?
      
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      October 25, 2019 12:02pm
      - Jack5
        
        Sorry folks, I’ve been having problem with the blog’s delete function, and didn’t even check to see if was working again.
        
        MODERATOR: Can you please help by deleting this and the previous post of mine? Thanks!
        
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        October 25, 2019 12:19pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Well I suggest that you start by removing all Chinese manufactured items from your home because without politicians we won’t have trade.
      
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      October 25, 2019 12:12pm
      - chaos
        
        One of the best doctors I have ever had was when I lived in auckland, a Chinese immigrant who had lived in NZ for decades, still had to put up with idiots attacking him and his family, telling them to go home.
        
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        October 25, 2019 1:27pm
      - Jack5
        
        Perhaps racial prejudice – in fact all prejudice – is inevitable because of the way human brains function.
        
        It’s a long time since I read the classic book of Gordon Allport, The Nature of Prejudice.
        
        But the link at the end of this post takes you to an explanation of Allport’s view of the thinking pattern that facilitates prejudices of all types.
        
        What set me thinking about Allport was the recent episode of the TV programme, Border Patrol in which had a Chinese-New Zealander giving a hard-time to a Customs officer who was an Indian-New Zealander.
        
        Everyone is vulnerable to forming prejudices.
        
        https://secure.understandingprejudice.org/apa/english/page4.htm
        
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        October 25, 2019 4:03pm
  - stephieboy
    
    “Well I agree that Biden & Son fall into that category,..”
    
    ???
    
    And the current POTUS?
    
    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/moment-shocked-room-during-taylor-s-ukraine-testimony-n1071476
    
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    October 25, 2019 1:42pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      “According to one source who was present” at this US Star Chamber Inquisition.
      
      The Washington Post and The Times have both been removed from the US govt’s list of subscriptions-who’s next?
      
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      October 25, 2019 3:42pm
      - DigNap15
        
        And CNN and CBS are both losing ratings and staff like crazy.
        Thats what you get if you push fake news all the time
        
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        October 25, 2019 6:36pm
    - Vory v zakone
      
      Meanwhile “the noose is tightening” on the Deep State.
      Indictments are coming and it will be a cold cold winter for Comey, McCabe, Brennan, Clapper, Struck, Orh (both of them) and Steele. How’s your defence Ralph?
      
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      October 25, 2019 7:35pm
      - Vory v zakone
        
        This from the HATE TRUMP and sexual abuser defending NBC.
        
        https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/justice-department-review-origins-russia-probe-turns-criminal-investigation-n1071731
        
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        October 25, 2019 9:05pm
- chaos
  
  Oh no politicians looking at ways to increase our exports, how dare they. How dare they, we should be an isolated country with no trading partners. How dare they
  
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  October 25, 2019 11:40am
- Tall Man
  
  So is it Simon’s fault?
  
  Does your infantile brain not see that politicians of all persuasions are “working” the China angle because like it or not that is where the world market is heading.
  
  As long as ardern is in government there will be no US resolution as she clearly hates them and their system so National are the only option for a balanced approach to our outside markets.
  
  Do you think Simon would go out of his way to offend the leader of the free world?
  
  Grow up and look at the big world and here’s a hint, it’s not inside your fence.
  
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  October 25, 2019 12:10pm
chaos

Aww a Jacinda doll

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/lifestyle/2019/10/sick-life-sized-doll-suggests-scary-future-for-office-workers.html
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October 25, 2019 11:24am
- Tall Man
  
  Now, where are my pins………….
  
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  October 25, 2019 12:10pm
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    Pins, hell, where’s my harpoon?!
    
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    October 25, 2019 1:36pm
  - chaos
    
    In the goat doll?
    
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    October 25, 2019 3:36pm
Hugh Pavletich

NEW ZEALAND / AUCKLAND … The flight from multi – story buildings …

There were plenty of buyers and they weren’t afraid to bid but in most cases they had a different view on value to the vendors and few sold under the hammer at the latest apartment auctions … Greg Ninness … Interest Co NZ

https://www.interest.co.nz/property/102293/there-were-plenty-buyers-and-they-werent-afraid-bid-most-cases-they-had-different

… Not mentioned within above … are more construction deficiencies coming to light … essential reading …

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/401428/structural-engineering-review-finds-system-wide-problems-and-basic-mistakes … Phil Pennington … Radio New Zealand

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/401428/structural-engineering-review-finds-system-wide-problems-and-basic-mistakes

Urgent industry change needed to combat poor construction – investigators … Phil Pennington … Radio New Zealand

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/400995/urgent-industry-change-needed-to-combat-poor-construction-investigators
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October 25, 2019 11:32am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  Note … access to important related KB post …
  
  https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/10/general_debate_24_october_2019.html/comment-page-1#comment-2580690
  
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  October 25, 2019 11:35am
  - sooty
    
    Only to you, hugh!
    
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    October 25, 2019 2:12pm
  - chaos
    
    https://surs.org/sites/default/files/field/image/spamalert.jpg
    
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    October 25, 2019 3:19pm
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/10/links-25-october-2019/#comment-3533385
      
      AUCKLAND: THE SKY CITY BUREAUCRATIC FIRE FIASCO …
      
      Only one high ladder at SkyCity fire for two hours contributed to out of control blaze – union … Natalie Akoorie … New Zealand Herald (behind paywall)
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12278946
      
      The tallest fire trucks needed to battle Auckland’s SkyCity blaze were out of service or partially broken when the fire started, a union boss says.
      
      New Zealand Professional Firefighters Union vice president Joe Stanley claimed the fire could have been put out within two hours if at least two of the units had been immediately available.
      
      The fire burned for nearly 30 hours, pumping tonnes of potentially toxic smoke into the air, wreaking havoc on the Auckland central business district and further damaging the unfinished $700 million New Zealand International Convention Centre … behind paywall … read more via hyperlink above …
      
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      October 25, 2019 4:06pm
      - chaos
        
        http://i1.dealtwith.it/i/n/ca4009f5d81c06ab8a4e5b6716efa3ea/troll-alert-please-avoid.gif
        
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        October 25, 2019 4:27pm
      - Cobolt24
        
        Last year’s Foreign Buyer Ban has been effective from a direct policy perspective – in other words, it has curtailed purchases of New Zealand property by foreign buyers, and may have opened up opportunities for locals that wouldn’t have otherwise existed. However, in terms of other indirect effects that the Government might have hoped for, such as reduced price pressures and improved housing affordability, the impacts have been much harder to find
        
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/116934350/foreign-buyer-ban-no-magic-bullet-for-house-prices
        
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        October 25, 2019 6:45pm
Swifty

Vale Les

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12279650

And thanks for all the laughs and the gifts for the kids.
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October 25, 2019 12:10pm
Jack5

A $13 million Government splash, partly to teach Apple’s Siri function to understand Maori, is skewered at the Point of Order blog.

It hat tips the Taxpayers’ Union for spotting the “boondoggle”.

https://pointofordernz.wordpress.com/2019/10/25/13m-granted-to-teach-siri-to-speak-te-reo-but-some-of-it-will-be-directed-to-the-british-and-us-boffins-whose-help-is-needed/

If you prefer it straight from the horse’s mouth, read the release by Hon Dr sic Woods here:

https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/government-invests-te-reo-environmental-data-research
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October 25, 2019 12:16pm
- sooty
  
  That’s a waste of money!
  There’s a few houes or something!
  
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  October 25, 2019 2:11pm
Maggie Pie

My partners mum just txt to let us know that Les Green has died 🙁

R.I.P
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October 25, 2019 1:37pm
- Jack5
  
  An appropriate elegy for Les Green, who was well known for his .44 Magnum:
  
  https://youtu.be/vXEBRl2_XJ8
  
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  October 25, 2019 4:19pm
  - Swifty
    
    Thanks Jack5, but this is more Les’ style especially after a puff:
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jREUrbGGrgM
    
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    October 25, 2019 4:59pm
chaos

Facebook working with the uk police to train AI for live streaming incidents

* Police have begun training exercises as part of efforts to design technology capable of detecting and automatically removing live streams of mass shootings from Facebook as they begin.
The first in a series of exercises was carried out in Kent on Wednesday, where a counterterrorism officer played the role of the shooter. The ‘shooting’ was filmed from the officer’s point of view and captured on a body camera. The footage was then sent to Facebook and will be used to train artificial intelligence systems.*

https://www.rt.com/uk/471754-met-police-facebook-shooting/
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October 25, 2019 2:59pm
chaos

The quickest labour backtrack this government?

* Associate Health Minister Jenny Salesa is backtracking on a remark she made in Parliament when she said she wants New Zealand to be both “smoke-free” and “vape-free”.

A spokesperson for the minister told Newshub on Friday Salesa “misspoke”.

The minister’s spokesperson said the Government’s position is that vaping is not harmless, but it can help smokers to quit.*

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/10/jenny-salesa-backtracks-on-vape-free-new-zealand-remark-says-she-misspoke.html
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October 25, 2019 4:14pm
Happychappy

Does Winston Peter’s think the public in NZ are stupid by saying that his trip to Korea and then Japan next week that even though he will be in Japan he doesn’t know if he will support the All Blacks if they make the final. Grant Robertson has already booked his ticket and will be there.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12279761
Winston would have arranged this trip in conjunction with his portfolio to be at the Final and now is trying to hide the fact.
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October 25, 2019 4:23pm
- Inandout
  
  Why would Grant attend? Oh, on second thought…
  
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  October 25, 2019 5:54pm
  - chaos
    
    Sports minister typically attends sports events especially major ones that NZ is in
    
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    October 25, 2019 7:48pm
    - Tall Man
      
      While not happy that they chose the least sporty thingy as “sports minister” you are right and he should be there.
      
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      October 25, 2019 9:30pm
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Minister of sport and small, tight shorts closely bunched together in a scrum . . .
    
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    October 25, 2019 10:08pm
- Tall Man
  
  Him, I’d happily see him pushed off the bus.
  
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  October 25, 2019 9:30pm
Happychappy

Kustin Lester says he owes it to the 27,000 plus voter that voted for him in the Wellington Mayoral race to have a manual account of the votes plus those that were ruled out recounted.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/401768/former-wellington-mayor-justin-lester-applies-for-election-result-recount
Some people really think they are intitled and spend taxpayers money when they lose or is Labour and others financing this recount.
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October 25, 2019 4:36pm
- Tall Man
  
  What bothers me is that there are still 27,000 really stupid people living in Wellington.
  
  How stupid do they feel now.
  
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  October 25, 2019 9:28pm
Batman

https://twitter.com/dallasnews/status/1187128314042957825?s=19

Cornyn: not a bad idea to get US troops out of the way if Turkey planned to ‘ethnically cleanse the Kurds’ https://t.co/lNO5SGN3gP

Nice to see the moral bar for Trump allies is nice and high! If it was 1941 it’s safe to say they would be on the wrong side of history….
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October 25, 2019 4:42pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Calm down Batty.
  The commander of the Syrian Democratic Forces has thanked President Donald Trump for organizing an initial ceasefire to halt a Turkish-led attack on majority-Kurdish forces across northeastern Syria, just as the U.S. leader signaled it was time for other powers to step in on Syria.'”We THANK President Trump for his tireless efforts that stopped the brutal Turkish attack and jihadist groups on our people,” Kobane was cited as saying. “President Trump promised to maintain partnership with SDF and long-term support at various spheres.”
  https://www.newsweek.com/kurds-thank-trump-someone-else-syria-1467302
  
  Their happiness belies your narrative. So much for the ‘Disaster’!
  
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  October 25, 2019 6:04pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    It’s like a homeowner forced to play nice to an insurance company that cancelled the policy just before an arsonist arrived.
    The Kurds don’t have any option but to keep trying to suck up to the US.
    
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    October 25, 2019 7:02pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      No it’s not. And they don’t.
      Do try to keep up. The Kurds are in with Syria/Russia.
      
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      October 25, 2019 8:26pm
      - Tall Man
        
        You are wasting your time… fuckwits will fuckwit.
        
        The chance to post an anti Donald Trump exceeds all other joys in their life. Sad really.
        
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        October 25, 2019 9:23pm
Inandout

omg, I am going to rush out and buy a ‘cheaper’ Tesla3 for $73k, but wait…..

https://techcrunch.com/2019/02/21/tesla-model-3-loses-consumer-reports-recommendation-over-reliability-problems/

Nah, sorry AA mag, I will opt for a Mazda or Honda CV for half the price.
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October 25, 2019 5:53pm
Nostradamus

The Government will create a standalone Crown entity to regulate drinking water in New Zealand.

Obviously we don’t have enough standalone Crown entities. No sign of a name yet. Could I propose KiwiWater?

This relates to the Three Waters Review:

The Three Waters Review is a cross-agency initiative led by the Minister of Local Government. Other involved agencies and portfolios include: Health, Environment, Finance, Business Innovation and Employment, Commerce and Consumer Affairs, Primary Industries, Climate Change, Infrastructure, Civil Defence and Emergency Management, Housing and Urban Development, Transport, Conservation, and Rural Communities.

That looks like a who’s-who of Wellington public servants. And, collectively, their big idea was a new standalone crown entity? Oh well, at least they didn’t conclude that another working group was required.

An Establishment Unit is being created within the Department of Internal Affairs, with support from the Ministry of Health and the Ministry for the Environment, to design and operationalise the new regulator.

Sorry – I spoke too soon!
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October 25, 2019 6:16pm
- DigNap15
  
  No it will be te waitae waite ohunga ora or similar
  
  I really despise these left wing pro maori officials.
  
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  October 25, 2019 6:33pm
- hookerphil
  
  Perhaps they could start by finding out how many people have actually died through drinking water from a public supply.
  My guess – Zero
  
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  October 25, 2019 6:59pm
  - nasska
    
    There was one instance & that was a bad one. Four people died & 5000 fell ill when Havelock North’s water supply became contaminated in 2016.
    
    The wankers will use this to load insufferable costs onto all.
    
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    October 25, 2019 7:15pm
    - hookerphil
      
      Thanks, didn’t know that.
      
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      October 25, 2019 7:38pm
  - chaos
    
    * Some Havelock North residents say radical proposals to improve the safety of the country’s drinking water will do little to restore their trust.
    
    Four people died and 5000 people fell ill after the town’s water supply was contaminated with campylobacter in 2016.*
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12254633
    
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    October 25, 2019 7:24pm
- nasska
  
  I saw this coming a while back. It’s probably fair enough that town/city dwellers can expect potable water. After all they pay through the nose for it.
  
  But this little power grab is going to include all water…..reticulated & well water, however small the scheme, be it rural or urban.
  
  The costs to many already impoverished rural communities will be horrendous.
  
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  October 25, 2019 7:11pm
- chaos
  
  What would be interesting is to find out what is in the pipes that are delivering the water to homes, how many towns and cities still have pipes with asbestos in them
  
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  October 25, 2019 7:26pm
greybeard

This person is named, he is probably a European:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/news/116920615/taranaki-criminal-had-no-chance-following-childhood-of-neglect

These two are NOT identified, probably because they are maori:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/news/116928080/father-and-son-in-custody-following-the-shooting-of-a-new-plymouth-gang-pad\

Situation normal.
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October 25, 2019 6:52pm
- Batman
  
  First case was sentencing so its normal for name supression to be lifted at this point.
  
  The other two have just been arrested and charged and given there is a teenager involved there will be name supression for that.
  
  Take a deep breath and drop the soft-racism.
  
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  October 25, 2019 7:03pm
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    I note there is also a charge of rape included with the teenager raping a female over 16. Name suppression if given would also be possible to protect the victim of that crime.
    
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    October 25, 2019 8:29pm
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    Take a deeper breath and face facts.
    
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    October 25, 2019 9:04pm
- chaos
  
  Looking at the photos in the article, doesn’t look Maori to me, but hey, who cares what ethnic group they are
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/news/116877869/suspected-driveby-shooting-in-new-plymouth
  
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  October 25, 2019 7:17pm
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    I think the “gang” link removes all doubt on ethnicity.
    
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    October 25, 2019 9:03pm
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      Ah right, because only Maori are in gangs huh, no whites or asians……..
      
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      October 25, 2019 11:30pm
Komata

Batman@1903

Alternatively, you could provide evidence to prove that in fact greybeard is wrong.

In the absence of such information, and based on previous well-documented evidence, greybeard’s statement would seem to be a correct one.

Over to you ; counter-evidence please…

Thank you.
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Tauhei Notts

I notice that the TAB have dropped the All Black odds from $1.35 to $1.32, this evening.
There must have been a heap of dough placed on the All Blacks.
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