General Debate 23 October 2019

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krazykiwi

Our laws need to deal appropriately with Extinction Rebellion pop-terrorists. Any punishment should fit not only the crime, but the unique perspective of the perpetrator. So I propose that we legislate for punishments that will both delight and surprise our middle-class, socialist misfits:
➊ Fine them, because all lefties promote the value of increased taxes
➋ Revoke their drivers’ licences, because they obviously don’t need to drive nasty cars
➌ Cut off their electricity supply, because they’ll be clamouring to virtue-signal their personal CO2 reductions
➍ Revoke their passports, because they won’t be flying anywhere
➎ Send them to manual farming camps, far from any healthcare or education providers, where they are forced to labour in fields 80hrs/week, because this the lifestyle they’re campaigning for.

Ah, it all sounds a bit hard. Let’s just glue them together and ship them to the Chathams.
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October 23, 2019 8:09am
- sooty
  
  Spread glue over their butt cheeks and glue them end to end!
  They will never know the relief of sitting on a Twyford ever again!
  
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  October 23, 2019 8:33am
  - sooty
    
    Will she take an extra day off work will she, seen as today is Wednesday and she does not work Thursday, or Friday or Monday for that matter!
    It had better not interfer with her latte an smashed arvo in some trendy cafe with her leeches on the weekend!
    Will she be taking the dozen doughnuts to theese firefighters, the same as at Nelson!
    
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    October 23, 2019 8:39am
    - backster
      
      Escaping to Auckland to advoid the heat.
      
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      October 23, 2019 9:36am
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  They don’t believe in making any sacrifices themselves. That’s for others to do, backed by force of course.
  
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  October 23, 2019 8:38am
- atomic drop
  
  Also:
  
  Remove neon color hair dye from shelves.
  Ban fat and/or homely looking women from gathering in groups.
  
  Or even better and the ONLY thing we need to do:
  
  Rescind the right of females to vote. ALL these crazy Socialist hysterias/witch hunts would be shut down immediately.
  
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  October 23, 2019 9:16am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Bit on the nose for sensible women who weren’t blinded by Taxinda’s stardust. But I’ll admit I’ve heard some idiotic comments from women about how ‘amazing’ Taxinda is, just because she is female!
    
    But just wait until 16yr olds get to vote! Male and female will be voting Green and Labour.
    
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    October 23, 2019 10:27am
    - Paulus
      
      Our greatest voting problem – besides MMP , is Early voting and Overseas voting.
      Both are disproportionate now rather than a voting DAY, with some early votes by early permission allowed.
      
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      October 23, 2019 12:49pm
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    atomic drop
    Unfortunately, the facts bear you out regarding women and the vote. While there are undoubtedly many many sensible women, the reality is that the full enfranchisement of women by the early 20th century correlates with the beginnings of exploding welfare states and general government expansion the world over.
    
    Women are more likely to vote with their heart than their head. Massive social spending programmes, mass immigration etc. How many who voted for Trudeau were female (never mind his nation-destroying and vote buying policies on immigration and spending – he’s just so pretty, ain’t he?). Particularly single women with kids – who, they tell us “don’t need no man” (just his taxes) – have a vested interest in keeping the State’s influence as large as possible.
    
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    October 23, 2019 2:14pm
- Komata
  
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  A bit tough on the resident Chatham Islanders Sir; not sure what they would have done to deserve such a punishment…
  
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  October 23, 2019 9:22am
Maggie Pie

KEEP CLAM & CARRY ON

PM Jacinda Adhern to visit Firefighters at Sky City Convention Centre in show of support.

😛
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October 23, 2019 8:09am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Are all the kindergartens closed today?
  
  Is it national ‘look after your own kids day’ or something?
  
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  October 23, 2019 8:21am
- KevO'Brien
  
  I hope she doesn’t get a black face.
  
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  October 23, 2019 8:22am
- RW Capitalist
  
  It’s called…doing a Helen Clark……don’t waste a disaster and be front and centre at the…. opening…of a door.
  Get your face on the TV any way you can.
  
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  October 23, 2019 8:22am
- Paulus
  
  Will she wear a headscarf or will she have a tailor made Fireman’s hat with Chief written on it.
  Feel sorry for the FE Services but she can tell them how to out the fire out.
  Will she be back for Parliament or is this an excuse for not being there again.
  
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  October 23, 2019 8:23am
  - sooty
    
    She can buy them hats off the shelf at Toyworld!
    
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    October 23, 2019 8:41am
- G152
  
  That’s all they need.
  Another wind source
  
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  October 23, 2019 8:31am
- chaos
  
  camera whoring while people are trying to fight a fire.
  
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  October 23, 2019 8:36am
- Simon
  
  Ardern blames fire on nine years of National neglect as she high fivers with some of the homeless who have their hands out and beams Lets do This into the cameras.
  
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  October 23, 2019 8:42am
  - Martin Williams
    
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    There is a connection between the under-tendering process so loved by John Key’s National government and this incident.
    
    Same for the crap roads National built which now have to be resurfaced.
    
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    October 23, 2019 9:13am
    - BobbyS
      
      That’s the longest bow I’ve seen in a long time
      
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      October 23, 2019 9:40am
    - chaos
      
      You’re so full of shit you should see a doctor immediately
      
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      October 23, 2019 9:59am
      - 453mm
        
        That doc is going to have a crap day.
        
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        October 23, 2019 12:51pm
    - Charmaine Hawke
      
      The crap roads needing resurfacing I believe was because of the demands of the Greens for environmental friendly products that roading contractors knew would fail.
      
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      October 23, 2019 9:59am
    - Tall Man
      
      There is a connection between the labour party and the sexual assault of it’s young and vulnerable members.
      
      Told your wife that rape victims are liars yet?
      
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      October 23, 2019 10:03am
    - Lance
      
      What utter bullshit.
      This is either extreme parody or one of the most mindless moments I have ever had the misfortune to read.
      
      I’m betting it’s mindlessness
      
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      October 23, 2019 10:12am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Isn’t she turning up for QT today?
  
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  October 23, 2019 8:51am
  - sooty
    
    More inportant camera shoots to do!
    
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    October 23, 2019 8:56am
  - Liberty
    
    Dear Leader doesn’t do Thursday QT.
    She leaves it to some underling.
    
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    October 23, 2019 9:54am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      It’s Wednesday today!
      
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      October 23, 2019 11:05am
    - DILLIGAF
      
      …
      
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      October 23, 2019 11:06am
    - chaos
      
      I can’t recall a prime minister that does do Thursday question time, perhaps you can name one.
      
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      October 23, 2019 12:12pm
      - Tall Man
        
        “what’s in it for wynston”….. 😉
        
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        October 23, 2019 1:34pm
    - 453mm
      
      Peters is not an underling.
      
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      October 23, 2019 12:52pm
  - chaos
    
    Do you mean mentally or physically.? She has never mentally turned up.
    
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    October 23, 2019 9:59am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    No.
    
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    October 23, 2019 3:25pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  That’s one of those ones where, if you’re a fan, she is showing leadership. If you’re not a fan, she’s hogging publicity.
  
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  October 23, 2019 8:56am
  - Simon
    
    Ardern covered up an alleged rape. She has fans?
    
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    October 23, 2019 9:41am
  - niggly
    
    Nope, one doesn’t need to “show leadership” at a building fire for goodness sake, let alone when it is still being contained by fire crews not wanting to be distracted by visiting “royalty” (bringing them a packet of biscuits no doubt).
    
    Someone in Labour’s leadership office really stuffed this one up!
    
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    October 23, 2019 10:07am
  - chaos
    
    Ah no, this is where you show your leadership by staying away and letting them do their work. But alas this is all about whoring media which is why she advised media she would be there
    
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    October 23, 2019 12:15pm
- tf78
  
  Or is she avoiding the euthanasia vote.
  
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  October 23, 2019 9:11am
- Frank Thomas
  
  Will she wear a gas mask in support of said fire fighters?……. Hmmm, don’t think so. Just the frowny concerned face. I’ll pass thanks.
  
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  October 23, 2019 9:21am
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I posted this yesterday to add salt to alt right wounds “Trudeau’s Liberals to form Canadian minority government – CBC”

“Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s ruling Liberals will form a minority government, the Canadian Broadcasting Corp projected on Monday after polls closed across the country.

The Liberals were leading or elected in 146 out of 304 electoral districts that had reported results by about 10:30 pm EDT (0230 GMT on Tuesday), the CBC said. Trudeau needed to win 170 seats to secure a second majority government…”

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/401553/trudeau-s-liberals-to-form-canadian-minority-government-cbc

I wonder what wrong? Those childish antics of the Canadian far right with Trudeau’s youthful hijinks that also demosntated a paucity of intelligent and sensible policies?
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October 23, 2019 8:09am
- hullkiwi
  
  Yes, and have you heard his victory speech? Who was being the nasty, decisive, vindictive individual, none other than Justin himself! Pot, kettle, black face!
  
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  October 23, 2019 8:24am
  - mikenmildagain
    
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    Sad!
    
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    October 23, 2019 8:33am
    - Tall Man
      
      It was but is expected from the left.
      
      Look at your positive and friendly posts… Oh wait, that’s Maggie, you’re just a smarmy lefty.
      
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      October 23, 2019 8:51am
    - atomic drop
      
      Yes, you are.
      
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      October 23, 2019 9:23am
  - sooty
    
    Stupidboy, we downticked it yesterday. What makes you think it will do any better today.
    You are a tiger for punishment!
    
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    October 23, 2019 8:44am
- mikenmildagain
  
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  That news won’t please Kiwibloggers.
  Melania and Ivanka can look forward to Justin’s next visit to Washington though.
  
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  October 23, 2019 8:32am
  - sooty
    
    What makes you think he will get to visit?
    
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    October 23, 2019 8:58am
  - All_on_Red
    
    They’re too young for Justin
    
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    October 23, 2019 9:18am
    - SGA
      
      “Too young”? No idea the context for that comment.
      
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      October 23, 2019 9:32am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      I said they would be looking forward.
      Get you someone that looks at you the way Ivanka looks at Justin Trudeau:
      https://9gag.com/gag/aWm67Gd?ref=t
      Or Melania:
      http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/ny-melania-trump-donald-trump-justin-trudeau-smitten-photo-20190826-4h2uru6rwrffhba4537ibxytoy-story.html
      
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      October 23, 2019 11:10am
- kevn
  
  @septicboy… Early cut/paste parroting.
  
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  October 23, 2019 8:55am
- slightlyrighty
  
  The same Lefties who lamented and lambasted Trump becoming president after losing the popular vote now praise Trudeau for retaining power with 33.1% of the popular vote against the conservatives 34.4%.
  
  I spy with my little eye, something beginning with H…
  
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  October 23, 2019 9:14am
- Tony Stuart
  
  You were bleating about paranoia yesterday stephie, yet you constantly label anyone who doesn’t share your worldview as “alt-right”. Let he who is without paranoia cast the first stone!
  
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  October 23, 2019 9:32am
  - Tall Man
    
    Line her up, I’ll chuck a couple 😉
    
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    October 23, 2019 10:00am
- Morrissey
  
  Trudeau is almost as disgusting as this….
  
  https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COyv96HWsAAxx5z.jpg
  
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  October 23, 2019 10:45am
  - chaos
    
    stop Posting your porn
    
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    October 23, 2019 12:17pm
hullkiwi

Heading into Auckland city now from the north. The Auckland waterfront is obliterated by the smoke and now a heavy down pour of rain.
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October 23, 2019 8:13am
- hullkiwi
  
  Coming in to city from the bridge flames are visible in the south west corner of the building.
  
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  October 23, 2019 8:20am
JibberJabber

LoL, Eddie Jones…..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwefBx1KdO4
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October 23, 2019 8:17am
- James Stephenson
  
  Didn’t you like his characterisation of Kiwi sports journos as “fans with keyboards”?
  
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  October 23, 2019 11:49am
oldpark

Notice the far left lunatic supporters of Labours’ex Wellington Mayor. A guy called Justin Lester got the bums rush by Wellington Ratepayers for his big spending with Ratepayers money. Now Lesters luvvies have hurty feelings and feel he should go for a Ratepayer funded recount.
We have shades of the same thing in the 2016 USA Election and refusing to accept who won it .Now back to Wellington with the help of their CNN off shoot, the Wellington Dominion Post they are endeavouring to make up fake news and how and why votes didn’t get delivered in time,

bearing in mind the whole election process was over at least a four week period.Why dont the grubby news outlet ask the question. Why did the so called last minute voters, said to have missed
out wait so long to even turn up .
Hope the whingeing lazy far left Green /Labour supporters wake up and get a life about voting sooner rather than later. What part of Lester losing,dont they understand. Their laziness didnt help the Lantern Jawed Labour Party loser.Good Result, Go Andy you good thing.
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October 23, 2019 8:20am
- mikenmildagain
  
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  It’s still a bit early in the morning for hard liquor.
  
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  October 23, 2019 8:35am
  - Tall Man
    
    Doesn’t seem to hold you back.
    
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    October 23, 2019 8:50am
- peterwn
  
  Justin is claiming that there were various polling irregularities, trouble is such irregularities could work either way. I think as things stand Justin would have a 45% chance of winning on recount. If say Andy’s vote increased to 200 on recount, Justin would look a complete idiot. Justin would probably ‘like to think’ on spurious grounds he would win a recount and will probably go for it.
  
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  October 23, 2019 8:47am
  - BobbyS
    
    Jester doesn’t need any help to look like an idiot – he managed to lose the Mayoralty in one term & even if he held on the people know nearly half said – feck off!
    
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    October 23, 2019 9:43am
- sooty
  
  Hey mate, if you are paying out of your own pocket, go for it! Have half a dozen even!
  Don’t expecpt othe people to fund it!
  
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  October 23, 2019 8:47am
- chaos
  
  With a vote count that close anyone would go for a recount, you’d be silly not to. But I hear the way Wellington vote it is unlikely the results would change.
  
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  October 23, 2019 8:54am
- Stephen Russell
  
  There’s nothing wrong with a recount of a close result to make sure the count is correct. The Right has benefitted from recounts just as much as the Left.
  
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  October 23, 2019 9:07am
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Only Cowards And Sadists Support The Persecution Of Assange

https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/only-cowards-and-sadists-support-the-persecution-of-assange-b717b1b07dfe
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October 23, 2019 8:21am
- JibberJabber
  
  Interesting how all you Alt-Lefties like to give sex offenders a free pass.
  Consent is a bit of an anathema to you isn`t it?
  
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  October 23, 2019 8:46am
  - Morrissey
    
    ?????
    
    There is no evidence whatsoever, unless you uncritically accept evidence-free assertions by the British intelligence agency.
    
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    October 23, 2019 10:44am
- alloytoo
  
  I support the prosecution, does that count?
  
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  October 23, 2019 9:27am
  - Morrissey
    
    You support the state’s war on journalism and dissent.
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=871-3XMhtAk
    
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    October 23, 2019 10:42am
    - srylands
      
      He is someone who facilitates the leaking of classified information. So he is a criminal. Simple as that.
      
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      October 23, 2019 12:06pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        “I love Wikileaks”
        “Russia, if you’re listening”
        Facilitating or inciting?
        
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        October 23, 2019 12:29pm
      - Morrissey
        
        Simple as that
        
        People like you parroted Berlin’s lies about “Jewish saboteurs” in the 1930, the Kremlin’s lies about “Jewish doctors” in the 1950s, and Peking’s nonsense about “capitalist running dogs” in the 1960s.
        
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        October 23, 2019 5:35pm
    - alloytoo
      
      I support the testing, under the laws of any given country, as to the criminality of an individuals actions.
      
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      October 23, 2019 2:17pm
- Michael
  
  About those people who were compromised by his actions?
  
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  October 23, 2019 10:43am
  - Morrissey
    
    Such as? Evidence please—just a heads up, my friend: there is none.
    
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    October 23, 2019 10:55am
    - alloytoo
      
      As I understand it, some young ladies were compromised.
      
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      October 23, 2019 2:17pm
KevO'Brien

The quadcopter grows up. A new hazard overhead–skies full of “flying taxis”? The same physical space cannot be occupied by two similar objects at the same time. Wellington is full up with cars because that basic law is not recognised.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/10/volocopter-takes-singapore-sky-air-taxis-191022084726414.html
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October 23, 2019 8:21am
- Lance
  
  Also using big drones is quite silly. They don’t fly, they hover and tilt which is extremely inefficient. Fine with a micro aircraft that weigh bugger all, but the energy needed to ferry people around is crazy high.
  Helicopters actually fly, they have lifting surfaces that “fly” particularly when moving forward. Hovering requires a shit load of power, e.g. a twin engine turbine helicopter needs BOTH turbines to hover, if one fails while hovering it’s in deep shit.
  
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  October 23, 2019 9:15am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  I’ve seen analysis that within 5 years electric air-taxis will be cheaper to operate than passenger rail and long term as little as 20% of rail cost. They are also much easier to automate than cars – no cats or children to dodge in sky and vastly more space and 5-10x the speed (10-20% trip time) means large separation distances even if all transport is done in the air. A recently unveiled example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7mc3C19kE4
  
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  October 23, 2019 9:22am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    And a new german one revealed today, Lillium 5 seater, 300km/hr, 300km range, testing now, entry into service 2025: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=90&v=lojpe3lUdFk
    
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    October 23, 2019 10:29am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Are going to tolerate these disturbing the peace in the neighbourhood?
    
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    October 23, 2019 3:14pm
peterwn

The Convention Centre fire. I am at a loss with this. It is well known that the use of welders, blowtorches, etc on construction sites can cause fires, and when used, hazards need to be assessed, mitigation measures put in place and their use properly supervised. So what went wrong????? – especially when a large and experienced major contractor was on the job. Perhaps they have supervision issues just as they have had estimating issues.
Given this, in my opinion, the company has seriously breached the RMA and The Health and Safety in Employment Act and should be in line for stinging 6 or 7 figure fines.
It is not beyond the realms of possibility that the incomplete building is now a complete write-off.
This is a very serious blow for Auckland.
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October 23, 2019 8:27am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Has Sky City already got the extra pokie machines it was allowed as part of the deal, or will they now be delayed? Asking on behalf of compulsive gamblers.
  
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  October 23, 2019 8:38am
- Maggie Pie
  
  My partner had been listening to late night talkback and he was just tellimg me that someone purporting to be a contractor phoned in with information alleging that there had been an inferior straw-based fire retardant material sourced from Thailand installed as a cost saving measure 🙁
  Will be interesting when the results of the post-mortem are released
  
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  October 23, 2019 8:44am
  - peterwn
    
    If so this could drag the architect and other client’s representative such as the clerk of works into it too. They should ensure the specified materials are used for the job. There is unfortunately a problem when the supplier supplies materials that meet normally accepted quality assurance standards and produces the appropriate paperwork since an architect or contractor is not in a position to carry out their own tests. In this instance the supplier and contractor might be one and the same since Fletchers is in the building supplies business too.
    
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    October 23, 2019 9:02am
    - alex Masterley
      
      When the fire is out and the inquests start into what happened it will be every man for themselves.
      Insurers and contractors will be lawyering up, if they haven’t already, Surveyors will have been appointed to go over the ruin with a fine tooth comb to assess cause and liability.
      When that is done the litigation party will start in earnest with fingers pointing in all directions.
      
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      October 23, 2019 10:33am
  - Rich Prick
    
    Well that’s turned out to be particularly eco-friendly.
    
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    October 23, 2019 9:46am
    - coge
      
      A Green Star rating. What could possibly go wrong?
      
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      October 23, 2019 1:07pm
- Tall Man
  
  Not that you’d want to be seen “judging” when you really haven’t got a fucking clue eh…………….
  
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  October 23, 2019 8:47am
- godruelf
  
  Has Cindy been on the phone to POTUS to see if he has any really nice Resorts available as an alternative venue for APEC
  
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  October 23, 2019 8:53am
  - chaos
    
    No need, APEC has already been shifted to the labour youth camp.
    
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    October 23, 2019 12:18pm
- stephieboy
  
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  peterwn, we await patiently a full investigation into the causes of the fire.
  Meanwhile, we stay calm, carry on with our lives and keep a sane perspective on life.
  
  Instead of catastrophising things.
  
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  October 23, 2019 9:12am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    FFS Stuffy, the whole point of political blogs is to exchange information and ideas of possibilities. Nobody is ‘catastrophising’.
    
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    October 23, 2019 10:56am
    - DILLIGAF
      
      except maybe Rusty Norman….
      
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      October 23, 2019 11:25am
    - alloytoo
      
      Catastrophising should be restricted to climate change advocates and other religions evangelists.
      
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      October 23, 2019 2:20pm
- MCos
  
  As I recall that building has been controversial from the very beginning.
  Rules were massaged to get approval and it’s just about destroyed Fletcher Building.
  Even before this fire it was way over budget and schedule.
  Now this.
  Will Fletcher Building have the capacity to recover from this setback?
  
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  October 23, 2019 9:22am
  - peterwn
    
    The building being ‘controversial’ or rules being massaged has nothing to do with Fletchers. The building being way over budget and schedule has everything to do with Fletchers (who agreed to a fixed price contract) and meanwhile the client suffers.
    If it just about destroyed Fletchers, it is nothing to do with the client (as long as the client pays what is due on time). It was Fletchers’ own funeral for getting its estimating so badly wrong and not loading its price sufficiently to take account of the fixed price risks.
    Since the appropriate insurances were apparently in place, it is unlikely to lead to the financial implosion of Fletchers. However construction insurance premiums will go through the roof for a while then settle down.
    
    Meanwhile in Wellington, McKee Fehl does not seem to have such problems – it is owned by a shrewd and switched-on gentleman who is very experienced in the industry and is highly respected. Fletchers’ Board should be ensuring that it and that of management have the experience, skills and shrewdness of that gentleman.
    
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    October 23, 2019 11:00am
- Brian McDonald
  
  It was reportedly a subcontractor. There would have been safety inductions – the question will be around specific safety instructions around what they’re calling the ‘blowtorch,’ wind, when they were to be turned off, use if faulty (like power points and plugs get safety tagged.) The
  blowtorch is possibly the modern version of the plumber or gas fitter’s lamp of old – to help give pliability to the butynol sheet in places.One of the problems said about Fletchers is that they ‘cleaned out’ a lot of older experienced staff. Bitumen or butynol is hard to put out, my little experience with it was to smother it with sand – the added problem is the insulation deadening material which is said to look like dry straw interspaced by a thin layer of steel in the walls as least and more than likely on the roof. That may be what is burning down to the 5th floor. As an aside if you had just pure bitumen you could be able to smother it with sand to a cut off point but even if that were possible the insulation might keep burning underneath as I understand there is a thin layer of steel between the 2 as mentioned above. There is certainly insulation in the walls but the 5th floor has concrete walls, I gather the fire chief wants the bitumen to burn off the roof and maybe the insulation to burn out to the 5th floor. Feel sorry for the firefighters and for the city. Immediately comes to mind from a planners point of view is insulated fire resistant material put in place as barriers during the build. But I guess these things are not thought of until something like this happens. We see what sort of difference that would have made on the English building a few years back where the insulation burnt from bottom to top.
  
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  October 23, 2019 9:34am
- rangitoto
  
  I sure their insurance company will be all over it. Reading up on the “torch down” method of roof sealing, it is known to be risky.
  
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  October 23, 2019 10:05am
  - Brian McDonald
    
    The butynol goes down as the waterproofing, the bitumen roll on top as weather shield. Soft heat applied to bond the butynol and bitumen. In my experience both however burn. Don’t know the details around the sound deadener/insulation whether is meant to be fire retardant or not – one would expect so.
    
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    October 23, 2019 12:41pm
Happychappy

I have said before that Jacinda is there for the glory the exposure that brings all the nice comments and flattery, but when things start going wrong it is everyone else’s fault never her own. I hope National don’t go back on what Labour want over the Terrorist bill and teach Andrew Little with Jacinda Ardern lesson that support goes two ways not just the Labour way. It needs to be noted that as Justice Minster where was Andrew Little when these young lasses were calling for justice over the sexual assaults from a person working in the Prime Ministers office and how could these assaults go unnoticed by him when millions of NZer’s knew about them then when National got involved through the victims asking for support Labour and Winston Peter’s tried to turn it into a political circus, now you try to score points from National because they have withdrawn support that “you” won’t change to suit what they believe will make this bill stronger and better for all in our Country.
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October 23, 2019 8:27am
- Paulus
  
  Andy is showing his old prowess as Angry Andy, as he does not get HIS way, when he wants.
  Silly boy !
  
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  October 23, 2019 12:56pm
mikenmildagain

Happy Mole Day!
6.02×1023
Damn! Anyone know how to get superscript for the 23?
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October 23, 2019 8:27am
- Kabull
  
  try 23
  
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  October 23, 2019 8:35am
- krazykiwi
  
  Look at https://www.w3schools.com/tags/tag_sup.asp. This tag isn’t accepted by WordPress.
  
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  October 23, 2019 8:40am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    When I looked it up earlier, a couple of sites said angle brackets sup would work, but it didn’t.
    
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    October 23, 2019 9:00am
- Than
  
  In normal HTML it would be the superscript tag, but not sure if that works in WordPress. Guess we’ll find out when I hit post.
  
  (Edit: Nope doesn’t work, it just ignores the tags)
  
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  October 23, 2019 8:49am
- peterwn
  
  6.02 x 10^23 if superscripts are not available.
  
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  October 23, 2019 9:10am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  alt 253, alt 0179 really helpful to know when you do a lot of technical writing.
  
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  October 23, 2019 9:24am
- rangitoto
  
  The ‘sup’ tag doesn’t seem to work. Nor does ‘superscript’ in full
  
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  October 23, 2019 10:07am
Maggie Pie

Really cold, wet, windy & dismal here.
When I got home this morning, my partner was still tucked up in bed. He was saying “imagine being a Fireman and having to get motivated in this f~~king weather” 🙁
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October 23, 2019 8:32am
- chaos
  
  Especially when you have to go to work knowing some stupid little girl wants to come and pose with you. Fire fighters in Auckland should call in sick today
  
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  October 23, 2019 8:49am
- Martin Williams
  
  Tell your partner they can just warm their hands by the burning rubber!
  
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  October 23, 2019 9:16am
  - Tall Man
    
    Tell your partner you despise rape victims who complain about labour party sexual assaults.
    
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    October 23, 2019 1:30pm
G152

Had Assange been arrested, gone to trial and done his time he would have been back out years ago.
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October 23, 2019 8:33am
- Morrissey
  
  Parrot of state propaganda, you are.
  
  Judge Judy sums up the likes of you perfectly…
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=871-3XMhtAk
  
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  October 23, 2019 8:58am
- sooty
  
  Had the surgery to fix his arse done as well!
  
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  October 23, 2019 9:01am
- mikenmildagain
  
  The charges he will face in the US could see him go to prison for a lot longer than just a few years.. Never mind, perhaps President (“I love Wikileaks”) Trump could pardon him.
  
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  October 23, 2019 9:05am
- MCos
  
  Had Assange gone to Sweden his fear was he’d be extradited to America, never to be heard of again.
  
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  October 23, 2019 9:27am
  - sooty
    
    So?
    
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    October 23, 2019 10:44am
- atomic drop
  
  But he is innocent.
  
  It should be our Globalist overlords facing Nuremberg like trials.
  
  Apparently Assange was acting confused at a court appearance. He has been tortured by the EVIL globalists whose diabolical scheming he has played a major role in exposing.
  
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  October 23, 2019 9:40am
- The King
  
  Do his time for what? exposing mass murder by the US military?
  
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  October 23, 2019 12:56pm
Morrissey

“Queen of warmongers, embodiment of corruption.”

https://hannity.com/media-room/enough-tulsi-gabbard-calls-hillary-clinton-queen-of-warmongers-embodiment-of-corruption/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6juT2B5xtc
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October 23, 2019 8:50am
- Morrissey
  
  “Great! Thank you @HillaryClinton. You, the queen of warmongers, embodiment of corruption, and personification of the rot that has sickened the Democratic Party for so long, have finally come out from behind the curtain. From the day I announced my candidacy, there has been a concerted campaign to destroy my reputation. We wondered who was behind it and why. Now we know — it was always you, through your proxies….”
  
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  October 23, 2019 5:14pm
KevO'Brien

10²³
The superscripts 2 and 3 are available in most ASCII code sets at decimal 178 and dec. 179. Entered simply as ALT0178 and ALT0179. Hold down the ALT key while entering the numbers.

Have a good mole too.
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October 23, 2019 8:51am
Than

In the wake of the tragic crash in Christchurch we are yet again getting the same back and forth about police pursuits. My responses to some of the (mostly predictable) commentary…

Golriz Ghahraman;

“It appears the reason police initiated the pursuit was erratic driving. Initiating a pursuit for driving infractions goes far beyond [the] use of reasonable means to uphold the law.”

Completely disagree. Erratic driving can be an indication of an impaired driver. That’s more than just a driving infraction, depending on the degree of impairement it can represent a significant hazard to the public. If it’s bad enough, erratic driving can absolutely be grounds to initiate a pursuit.

(Former road policing offer who asked not to be named);

“If police don’t pursue, we surrender the road to drunks and boy racers.”

Hear, hear.

Yes, police pursuits create a risk, but so do drunk driving and extreme speed. If a fleeing driver is heavily intoxicated or continues at high speed even after the police abandon a pursuit, the end result could be exactly the same regardless.

When deciding whether or not to pursue police have to make the extremely difficult call as to which is the lesser risk. The fact that 70% of pursuits are abandoned (up from 63% last year) shows they are (quite appropriately) erring on the side of caution.

Children’s Commissioner Andrew Becroft;

“Where it is known or suspected the driver of the car is under 18, there should be no pursuit unless it’s a matter of extreme risk and urgency.”

Daft statement. How are the cops going be able to tell if the driver is under 18 in the midst of a pusuit?
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October 23, 2019 8:59am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Why would you expect anything other than a daft statement from the idiot Becroft?
  
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  October 23, 2019 9:41am
  - G152
    
    He’s the embodiment of the judicial.
    Becroft should be retired to judging daisys in a paddock of thistles
    
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    October 23, 2019 10:23am
    - Morrissey
      
      Nonsense on stilts is what you’ve written. You know as well as everyone else here that Andrew Becroft is a rare example of a judge with intelligence and great integrity. He is rightly praised for his compassion and his radical, unwavering analysis of the unjustness of the “justice system” which he, far more than you or dear old Cap’n Mainwaring or any stumble-tongued halfwit on talk radio, knows and understands. He, like anyone who cares about our country, is determined to radically change this brutal and foolish system of state oppression.
      
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      October 23, 2019 11:21am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        Morrie, just compare the downticks/upticks ratio to work out how many here think you’re talking crap as usual.
        
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        October 23, 2019 1:47pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Downticks are usually ftom rightards like you. I do recall at the time of the Mosque attacks you posted something in the local media that was regarded as rather unhinged/ half witted.
        
        Your notorious for it!
        
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        October 23, 2019 1:58pm
      - Morrissey
        
        What did the old fool post in the local media, stephieboy?
        
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        October 23, 2019 5:07pm
  - Happychappy
    
    Your right CM but I can never understand why National appointed him as he is a blithering idiot.
    
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    October 23, 2019 10:32am
  - Morrissey
    
    Hmmm… let’s put up the collected writings and thoughts of Judge Andrew Becroft and compare these to the oeuvre of one “Captain Mainwaring”.
    
    I wonder who ends up looking “daft” after such an exercise.
    
    https://www.offset.com/photos/downcast-man-in-pea-coat-in-field-168528
    
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    October 23, 2019 10:39am
    - Swifty
      
      Not as daft as you labelling Sowell stupid.
      
      Snigger.
      
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      October 23, 2019 11:40am
      - stephieboy
        
        Sowell is stupid! Whats the problem?
        
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        October 23, 2019 1:58pm
      - Swifty
        
        Speaking of stupid – look who it is!
        
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        October 23, 2019 2:15pm
      - Morrissey
        
        Swifty, your ad hom. attacks are so lame and ineffective they’re almost, well, Sowellian.
        
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        October 23, 2019 5:30pm
      - Swifty
        
        Heh.
        
        Present an argument and I’ll reconsider.
        
        Until then….
        
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        October 23, 2019 7:10pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Becroft has lost his soundness. Pity.
      
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      October 23, 2019 11:48am
      - Tall Man
        
        You assume he ever had some.
        
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        October 23, 2019 1:29pm
- atomic drop
  
  Society is unravelling thanks to decades of Globalism smashing our Western/White civilization into fragments.
  
  There never use to be so many chases.
  
  That the main issue here is RACE is signaled by Golly Gee Whizz chiming in, a foreign brown female who hates white men and therefore New Zealand ( but she LOVES Aotearoa).
  
  The perps are nearly always brown(ish)
  
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  October 23, 2019 9:54am
  - The King
    
    Its going to be glorious when all the boomers are in rest homes surrounded by cheap foreign workers who hate them.
    
    I laugh at every article i see of old White boomers being tortured by the very thing they let in
    
    Poetic justice.
    
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    October 23, 2019 1:00pm
  - stephieboy
    
    atomic bomb , but not the ” perps”d working for MSM like The Guardian, WP, NYT etc , etc
    
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    October 23, 2019 2:00pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  What we need to accept is that this country now has an entirely dysfunctional multi-cultural population and things will only get worse from here. Far worse.
  
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  October 23, 2019 10:47am
  - The King
    
    From Molyneux:
    
    Small immigration = integration
    
    Large immigration = fragmentation
    
    Mass immigration = utter destruction
    
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    October 23, 2019 1:04pm
    - Kabull
      
      And that’s what German has finally realised.
      
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      October 23, 2019 2:22pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Maggie Pie”.., things will only get worse.”
    
    How?
    Why?
    
    Invest in a pair of colourblind glasses
    
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    October 23, 2019 2:02pm
- alloytoo
  
  Erratic driving could well be an indication of a medical emergency.
  
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  October 23, 2019 10:55am
  - Tall Man
    
    Only if you vote for the left.
    
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    October 23, 2019 1:28pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Police will always have to make hard judgment calls. That doesn’t mean they have made an error. The nature of the circumstances makes the outcome indefinite.
  
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  October 23, 2019 11:51am
  - Tricati
    
    I support the Police on this issue, but if the Politicians decide to stop the Police from chasing these arseholes, then we need to have significant consequences when they finally get caught (Like Queensland) – But don’t hold your breath with this ‘Catch & Release’ mob in charge.
    
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    October 23, 2019 1:34pm
- peterwn
  
  If police did not attempt to stop any driver breaking the law (except with road spikes etc) the traffic serious offending rate would climb sharply. A balance has to be found.
  
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  October 23, 2019 12:36pm
Albert_Ross

Looking at the discussion on Stuff about the proposal to turn KiwiSaver savings into an annuity payment for retirees.

Many people seem convinced that a future Government is going to stop paying Super, or means test it against individuals’ KiwiSaver savings. Some people are avoiding KiwiSaver altogether, depriving themselves over their lifetimes of thousands of additional dollars in Government contributions, because they think that.

But think on. Old people vote, they are growing in numbers and they are going to keep growing in numbers. Is it really remotely possible that a Government would be elected on an intention to
penalise financially savvy and well-informed old people? Or that it would last ten minutes if it introduced such a policy without having mentioned it before election?
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October 23, 2019 9:02am
- Tall Man
  
  I am getting sick and tired of this government thinking of ways to control me and my money.
  
  There is no way that this proposal would “fly” in the real world and the idiots that do waste all their money would be the least likely to support it anyway and I think one could assume that they would be labour voters.
  
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  October 23, 2019 9:51am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    Don’t know whether it will make you more, or less, sick and tired to learn that this proposal does not come from Government; it comes from a couple of academics at Auckland university. As far as I know the Government hasn’t said anything about it.
    
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    October 23, 2019 10:27am
    - Tall Man
      
      With a “government” of academics and thieves….. I think any proposal that gives them either more money or more power will be heartily endorsed.
      
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      October 23, 2019 11:42am
- atomic drop
  
  “Many people seem convinced that a future Government is going to stop paying Super”
  
  Yep, Globalism is already floating face down in the pool. Look at those interest rates sinking sinking sinking, ditto GDP
  
  We are in an end game here, consumer debt driven economics ends in a fireball.
  
  The underlying collapse in demographics is the main driver of this great downward trajectory.
  
  Expect more crazy pills economic policy to maintain debt inflated bubbles, negative interest rates, Government debt ramped up now that consumers are about maxed out, a tsunami of more “new Kiwis” from South East Asia and Africa – they will take on lots of debt because interest rates are so low that even on courier or petrol pump attendant wages they will get access to lots of credit. While turning up the volume to full blast on “Diversity is Our Greatest Strength – we must stop the rising hate of White Supremacism!” – because more and more white boys like me are getting woke to what is happening.
  
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  October 23, 2019 10:24am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Taking on debt is taking on an obligation to repay.
    This farce of negative interest rates has to have limits. Not rewarding savers is contrary to common sense.
    Be wary, don’t let the temptations to borrow and spend catch you out. People in high places are playing games with us.
    
    Super in NZ is partly conditional on taxes. Too much avoidance and financial engineering is not helpful.
    
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    October 23, 2019 11:28am
    - Paulus
      
      Insurance Company premiums are going to continue to grow as in addition to increased perceived risk (Global Warming and NZ Earthquakes) the investments that companies have between receiving a premium and paying claims is almost nil, and ability to pay claims may well be affected without an increase in premiums.
      
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      October 23, 2019 1:03pm
  - stephieboy
    
    atomic drop , how does US debt compare to our debt as a percentage of GDP?
    
    US equals about 76.4% of GDP,
    
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    October 23, 2019 2:03pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  But plenty of KB commenters were suddenly *for* CGT a couple of days ago. Which was odd, because a few months ago the general trend here was anti CGT.
  
  CGT would be penalising financially savvy old people by taxing the inflation on their savings/property.
  
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  October 23, 2019 11:06am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Super is a social contract not an academics plaything.
  Annuities are promises of future payments. If the future returns after taxes are minimal everyone will expect the KiwiSaver to be paid out in full at the earliest qualifying date.
  No one has signed up for annuities. They are also taxable in full under the current law. Who is to get the residue, if any, on the legacy account owners death? Many are structured so that payments are related to life expectancy.
  Does it sound a bit like National Super we now have? That’s the most efficient, least cost, way.
  The best source of pensions is sound government and economic prosperity. Does getting rid of Taranaki or replacing livestock with 100 year plantations help with that.
  ☑️☑️
  
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  October 23, 2019 11:42am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    100% ?
    
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    October 23, 2019 12:39pm
  - stephieboy
    
    KevObrien, Super a Social contract? Whats missing is that it is also a political contract with the voter having the final say.
    
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    October 23, 2019 2:08pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      That’s implied in the terminology.
      
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      October 23, 2019 3:18pm
HemiT

Bridges trashes ardern’s move for the ‘christchurch call’ (facebook , google , ect in a crackdown against online terrorism) , then says things like “we’re not going to play russian roulette with nz’s safety” ‘we’re not gonna let new zealanders be half safe on terrorism’. ..lol and sigh… politics indeed.
(he said that in relation to the law being passed over the bumbling jihadi).
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October 23, 2019 9:07am
- Tall Man
  
  Strange, you see a connection there when there isn’t.
  
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  October 23, 2019 9:44am
- Albert_Ross
  
  He is in favour of effective action against terrorism, and he is opposed to ineffective or counterproductive action against terrorism. Where is the inconsistency?
  
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  October 23, 2019 9:53am
- Prince
  
  He needs to get away from the pre-prepared epithets and just get real. Speak from the heart.
  I don’t disagree with his message but he needs to get better at delivering it.
  
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  October 23, 2019 9:54am
  - Tall Man
    
    I think he tries but he certainly doesn’t get a fair chance with the bulk of the media.
    
    I think the facebook and twitter stuff is getting through though.
    
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    October 23, 2019 10:28am
    - sooty
      
      Only if you are on facebook or twitter, other wise he’s pissing in the wind!
      
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      October 23, 2019 12:44pm
      - Tall Man
        
        If he was only “pissing in the wind”, why did the duck get so hot under the collar about it?
        
        Why did the numbnuts on the standard get so upset about it?
        
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        October 23, 2019 1:26pm
- chaos
  
  The Christchurch call is nothing more than a publicity scam. The tech companies were long before Christchurch carrying out procedures to tackle such events pages and material.
  
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  October 23, 2019 10:05am
  - DigNap15
    
    I prefer my “Christchurch Example”
    “If you are muslim its best not to come here as many people here do not like your religion.”
    If there were no muslims here, there would have been no mosque attack
    
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    October 23, 2019 12:20pm
    - The King
      
      The first tweet i ever saw after chch was..
      
      “why is there a mosque in ‘Christchurch'”
      
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      October 23, 2019 1:07pm
    - chaos
      
      but if we ban aussies from coming to New Zealand then there would of been no attack and the British tourists in Auckland wouldn’t of been murdered.
      
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      October 23, 2019 1:11pm
      - Tall Man
        
        And if we sent all idiots to somewhere else then we wouldn’t have either steffy or the king here 🙂
        
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        October 23, 2019 2:42pm
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Chaos, might I just mention that it’s ‘would have’, not ‘would of’? I know it sounds like ‘would of’ though.
        
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        October 23, 2019 4:00pm
    - stephieboy
      
      DigNap15,
      
      “If there were no muslims here, there would have been no mosque attack”
      
      How deeply profound!
      
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      October 23, 2019 2:10pm
- rangitoto
  
  Good.
  
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  October 23, 2019 10:15am
- HemiT
  
  Tarrant was all about the online propaganda.
  
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  October 23, 2019 10:32am
  - Tall Man
    
    Idiot. There 51 corpses that prove you wrong.
    
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    October 23, 2019 11:40am
    - HemiT
      
      I’m not and idiot you’re an idiot the point of trying to
      crackdown on online terrorism is so you don’t have another 51 corpses read the fkn comment properly.
      
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      October 23, 2019 1:23pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Well hemi, you’re certainly an abusive little prick aren’t you.
        
        Now let me guess, you get violent when your opinion or words are contradicted……….
        
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        October 23, 2019 2:40pm
      - HemiT
        
        No tall man i’m not an abusive little prick , you’re the 1 that started the name calling… and it depends on what words or opinions are being contradicted if wether or not i would get violent. For example , if some guy is beating up another person for their wallet and you ‘say stop that’ and the perpetrator contradicts your words by continuing to beat that person , then i probably would have to jump in and get violent to help the victim out. So generally speaking i don’t get violent when my words or opinion are contradicted……….
        
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        October 23, 2019 8:03pm
    - HemiT
      
      Oh i c you’re taking my comment for absolutes. Dickhead. Too busy tryin to be a twitty smartass rather than confronting the real concerns. Yes he did stuff online aswell as took physical action. Now beat it.
      
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      October 23, 2019 1:39pm
- HemiT
  
  and they’re both preventative measures so why just trash 1 , idiot
  
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  October 23, 2019 10:46am
softail 1450

According to Obamas DOJ and Trumps DOJ Assange has no legal case to actually answer in the US ,his case is a political hit job if he lives to face it…
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October 23, 2019 9:13am
- atomic drop
  
  They are torturing him to death. Because you know – “liberating Hajiland from a Brutal Dictator who uses chemical weapons on his own people is the right thing to do…we must stand by our Kurd allies…support Middle East democracy…stand by the only democracy in the ME our Israeli friends and fight anti semitism…humanitarian intervention…wipe Iran off the map…etc…etc”.
  
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  October 23, 2019 10:09am
- Jules99
  
  When he arrives back he should be asked, under oath, who gave Wikileaks the DNC emails.
  
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  October 23, 2019 10:25am
  - Batman
    
    Along with any and all contacts with Paul Manafort, the Russian government, Ukrainian oligarchs, and Trump / GOP campaigns.
    
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    October 23, 2019 2:37pm
secondcumming

Sydney Apartments have been offered for a *buck* to any investor willing to take them off current owners hands. Although still no takers…..

https://twitter.com/smh/status/1186595232827297792
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October 23, 2019 9:15am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Hugh, I am sure you have something to copy and paste with a link to insert here . . .
  
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  October 23, 2019 1:34pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Downtick for encouraging him… or even mentioning his name.
    
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    October 23, 2019 2:37pm
Tall Man

Can someone help me out here. I am not familiar with Canada’s electoral system but how can trudeau be said to have won with 157 seats when the other parties combined have 181 seats.

Surely the opposition hold the power here if they can “hold hands”….
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October 23, 2019 9:16am
- kowtow
  
  Very unlikely that the Conservatives would/could form a coalition with the New Democrats ( Labour ) or the Froggies ( sessionists)
  
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  October 23, 2019 9:50am
  - Tall Man
    
    I get that but surely any controversial legislation would be dead in the water just like “what’s in it for wynston” does here… until he’s pocketed his extra koha from ardern,
    
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    October 23, 2019 10:26am
- chaos
  
  New Democrats will support them, I dont see it going full term
  
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  October 23, 2019 10:08am
  - Tall Man
    
    I saw the bit about the number of them that need two more years to qualify for their parliamentary pension.
    
    That will keep them solid until that period has passed.
    
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    October 23, 2019 11:38am
  - curry4me
    
    Prof Turley thinks it won’t last full term either. Bit triumphalist for my liking. But pretty good at analysis. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJQeSDShrpM
    
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    October 23, 2019 8:30pm
- MCos
  
  The National Party here also had the largest number of seats, but were short of a majority.
  Unfortunately for them, and some would say NZ, the opposition was united enough to form a government.
  
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  October 23, 2019 12:23pm
  - Tall Man
    
    I very much doubt that the current lot could really be considered as a government by anyone other than a deluded left wing voter.
    
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    October 23, 2019 1:24pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    That unity is showing brokeness.
    
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    October 23, 2019 3:39pm
- The King
  
  Here you go..
  
  Trudeau
  Won in the immigrant strongholds of Toronto and Montreal. Had 5.9 million (15.9%) of Canadians vote for him
  
  Canada has 8.2 million foriegn born immigrants
  
  https://twitter.com/BillTufts/status/1186584098703380481
  
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  October 23, 2019 1:08pm
  - Batman
    
    Ahhh yes, it was the immigrants again! Of course!
    
    Get a new record.
    
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    October 23, 2019 2:09pm
    - Tall Man
      
      In his defense, way less than 50% of Canadians voted for him and I doubt the fact that “immigrants” voted for him has not escaped the attention of ardern………… and you know what I’m thinking.
      
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      October 23, 2019 2:35pm
    - The King
      
      Well it was, what’s the problem?
      
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      October 23, 2019 7:05pm
- stephieboy
  
  Tall Man, never mind. Let go and move on! Many elements of Canada’s right ran a largely negative campaign attempting to smear the incumbent with some of his silly youthful antics !
  
  It didn’t help things.
  
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  October 23, 2019 2:14pm
Gravelroad

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/116775090/innocent-christchurch-police-pursuit-crash-victim-left-home-early-to-beat-parking-rush

What a shocking story this is – not only because of the circumstances of the crash, but because of the work circumstances of the man who died – he left home at 3.30am to start work at Christchurch Hospital at 7am because of lack of parking.
Slept in his car and yet still was studying hard to improve his career knowledge.
He and his partner are portrayed as decent, hardworking people.
Lots of money being flung by the CoL at criminals, druggies and wasters who don’t want to work and yet this guy would probably get no help at all.
Can’t even find a decent carpark.
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October 23, 2019 9:17am
- Bobba Fret
  
  Hopefully the driver will do a long stint in jail but I doubt it.
  
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  October 23, 2019 10:00am
- Ruahine
  
  One can just imagine all the wrap around ‘support’ the perpetrators of this criminal act will get though.
  The family of the person killed will not be getting twenty years of bills and other living costs being paid out of the pockets of the criminals.
  
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  October 23, 2019 10:10am
- Tricati
  
  Seems this is a common thing for staff at the hospital to have to do (Nurse on the radio last week). This a consequence of the cycling activists in the City Council Planning Department removing car parking for walk & cycle ways around the hospital, and CDHB not replacing the Public Car Park damaged in the Earthquakes. Absolute arseholes.
  
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  October 23, 2019 10:41am
  - cmm
    
    But at least they all get a gold star for tree hugging…
    
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    October 23, 2019 6:49pm
JibberJabber

What on earth is the world coming to, when a woman can`t force someone to wax her scrotum?

https://www.thepostmillennial.com/breaking-jessica-yaniv-loses-cases-against-women-who-wouldnt-wax-her-balls/
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October 23, 2019 9:19am
- Scott
  
  Jibber Jabber – thank you so much for adding to the sum of human knowledge 🙂
  Unfortunately this is where sexual politics is getting us. The transgender person was obviously out to make a point and cause more controversy.
  Which brings me to the point that all this transgender surgery doesn’t appear to make a person happier? People who have had transgender surgery for example are no less likely to commit suicide than before they had the surgery.
  
  And secondly given that we have overturned everything for the 1% of the population that is homosexual, do we now have to overturn everything again for the 1% of the 1% that is transgender?
  
  I’m a simple guy. When the Bible says God made them male and female, that’s good enough for me. 🙂
  
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  October 23, 2019 9:45am
  - atomic drop
    
    “I’m a simple guy. When the Bible says God made them male and female, that’s good enough for me.”
    
    Thanks Scott, you are giving the Progressives all the ammo they need.
    
    I envision a near future where all us white boys are holed out in subterranean tunnels beneath the burnt rubble of our once beautiful civilisation , hunted down like dogs and exterminated by Trannie Terminators.
    
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    October 23, 2019 10:31am
    - The King
      
      [nervous laughter intensifies]
      
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      October 23, 2019 1:10pm
    - stephieboy
      
      atomic drop, hopefully those “white boys” include you.
      
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      October 23, 2019 2:16pm
  - Swifty
    
    You shouldn’t believe everything you read Scott 🙂 although in this case I agree there are two biological sexes (and some people with a bit of both) but somewhat more gender identities….
    
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    October 23, 2019 10:31am
    - Tall Man
      
      Thinking you’re something doesn’t make it so.
      
      Having other people agree with you still doesn’t make it so.
      
      Thinking god told you still doesn’t make it so.
      
      Now, if I tell you…. it’s so 😉
      
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      October 23, 2019 2:30pm
  - alloytoo
    
    I can’t speak for transsexuals as a collective, but my friend who decided to embark on this path certainly appears far happier in and of herself and less prone to indulge in self destructive behaviour.
    
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    October 23, 2019 2:50pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  When i just showed my partner this, he reckoned Detransitioning would be a far better option 😛
  
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  October 23, 2019 9:59am
- atomic drop
  
  Like female penises, female scrotums are a thing. Only hateful bigots would doubt it.
  
  Just ask stephieboy, he rides one every night, because he is a “feminist ally” and committed to fighting the “rising tide of hate and white supremacy” etc etc.
  
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  October 23, 2019 10:02am
  - chaos
    
    He is a she
    
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    October 23, 2019 11:28am
  - Tall Man
    
    I doubt there’s much “rising” in steffy girl’s live full stop.
    
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    October 23, 2019 11:35am
  - stephieboy
    
    atomic drop, deluded you rise and deluded you fall!
    
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    October 23, 2019 2:17pm
- Inandout
  
  I at first thought that sadly Islam would have eventually ended this transgender idiocy, but I see a resistance emerging amongst those of us loosely described as ‘normal’.
  
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  October 23, 2019 11:51am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  I would do it for her.
  
  The wax would be right, the paper applied and, then everything removed with a razor blade.
  
  I even called him a her to get the gig, stuck in my craw a bit that did
  
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  October 23, 2019 1:38pm
Paul Marsden

As an ex-fire-fighter and fire engineer, I have some knowledge of the behaviour of various materials when exposed to fire. I am intrigued to learn (though need to know more), that the materials used to insulate the roof are a straw/timber/bitumen composite. If true, then I am aghast. The fire loading a composite such as this and used in this manner, would be immense. Worse, the straw fibre would act not only as a wick (or fire conduit), it would also be enveloped by the melting bitumen. It is of no surprise to me, that despite copious quantities of water been applied to it, the fire is proving extremely challenging to extinguish. This is NZ’s equivalent to the Grenfell Towers disaster and there will be serious consequences for those involved in its approval to install it.
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October 23, 2019 9:40am
- rangitoto
  
  Will definitely be questions asked. They already had to remove the same clading that was used on the Grenfell Tower. If that was still on the structure things would be much worse than they are now.
  
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  October 23, 2019 10:23am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  “This is NZ’s equivalent to the Grenfell Towers disaster and there will be no serious consequences for those involved in its approval to install it.”
  
  There. Fixed it for you (in the spirit of Cave Creek and the leaky building debacles)
  
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  October 23, 2019 11:06am
  - trout
    
    Ah… but the roof was constructed of ‘environmentally friendly materials’ – totally flammable. ‘But, but, we protected the roof from fire coming at it, not fire from within.’
    
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    October 23, 2019 1:58pm
    - cmm
      
      Quite. Grenfell was that awful polystyrene stuff…
      
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      October 23, 2019 6:46pm
- kevn
  
  @Paul… I gather the straw roof insulation/sound proofing was designed to repel fire from the floors below.
  Fire from above, opposite result = disaster.
  
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  October 23, 2019 1:25pm
Maggie Pie

Please place your bets –

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EHeAcn3UYAErC66?format=jpg&name=900×900
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October 23, 2019 9:49am
- chaos
  
  Labour needed a distraction for the next scandal is my bet
  
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  October 23, 2019 11:27am
Swifty

That’s how lefty brains work….
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October 23, 2019 10:36am
- stephieboy
  
  Swifty , and this how your brain works,
  
  https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/bjevn5/this-is-your-brain-on-hate-v25n4
  
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  October 23, 2019 2:24pm
Fletch

More video for your enjoyment. Screaming climate protesters being roughly evicted by an employee of In’N’Out Burger before being taken away by the cops in handcuffs.

https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1185329183209033728
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October 23, 2019 10:40am
- Lance
  
  That was satisfying watching them getting the bums rush. Would have been so much better if someone had shoved that bullhorn up his arse.
  
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  October 23, 2019 11:20am
  - alloytoo
    
    Well if he used it in my face I would have taken it away, destroyed it and charged him with assault.
    
    I’m sure many people with, even mild, hearing impairment like myself would have found his assault painful.
    
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    October 23, 2019 2:54pm
- alex Masterley
  
  Well done those employees for ejecting those dickheads.
  There seems to be push back against these climate idiots which they probably did not expect.
  
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  October 23, 2019 11:26am
- Tall Man
  
  I liked the photo of the corgi………..
  
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  October 23, 2019 11:34am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Sleeps by the Queens bed since Michael Fagan (?)
    
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    October 23, 2019 1:47pm
- rockape
  
  Love the fact that the Green candidate for West Coast Tasman was dumb enough to use a 150 watt ceramic bulb in a 60 what plastic bulb holder and not only killed all the new harched chicks in her garage but burned it and her house down. I would ave loved to have seen her insurance claim form! Do they insure stupidity ?
  
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  October 23, 2019 1:58pm
  - JackRabbit
    
    An IT mate once got a call-out to a prominent Greens figure who complained his rechargeable batteries he got for his computer gadgets were not recharging. He’d replaced the batteries and they would only last a few minutes. He had tried this several times without success.
    
    My mate asked had he recharged the batteries for the advised length of time. Green man said that he did. My mate found the charger still in its box, wrapped in plastic.
    
    Supposedly Green man assumed that since the batteries were re-chargeable that they recharged themselves without having to put them in the charger. He figured that putting on the window sill in the sun was enough.
    
    Maybe this level of intelligence is why most Greens think that Electric cars will not cause an issue with extra demand on the National Grid. Perhaps some assume that the cars will recharge themselves overnight??? And they want us to take advice from them?
    
    Same level of think has infected Labour where they think that money and wealth comes from ink and paper in a printing press or adding extra numbers in a spreadsheet.
    
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    October 23, 2019 2:26pm
Swifty

Chinese humour:

https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=y3it_1571768856

Ok for work.

🙂
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October 23, 2019 10:58am
- Maggie Pie
  
  LOL!!!!
  
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  October 23, 2019 11:27am
Cobolt24

New Zealand Aluminium Smelters’ major shareholder, Rio Tinto, has announced the smelter could be closed, pending the outcome of a strategic review about to get underway, up to 1000 jobs could be affected.

https://www.odt.co.nz/business/tiwai-point-smelter-review-could-affect-1000-jobs
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October 23, 2019 11:55am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  “New Zealand’s Aluminium Smelter (NZAS) is New Zealand’s only aluminium smelter and is located on Tiwai Peninsula, across the harbour from Bluff in Southland. NZAS is 79.36 per cent owned by Rio Tinto and 20.64 per cent owned by Japan’s Sumitomo Chemical Company.”
  
  Maybe they are Bluffing about Tiwai? What is the Point, anyway…
  
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  October 23, 2019 12:32pm
- Tall Man
  
  Power price negotiation time again is it?
  
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  October 23, 2019 1:20pm
- Tricati
  
  But didn’t Cindy talk to Donald about removing the US Tariffs – Surely that’s in place now and a help to Rio Tinto; as the MSM have said her trip was a major success!!!!
  
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  October 23, 2019 1:38pm
- Richard
  
  Wait for it…wait for it….
  
  KIWISMELTER!
  
  Brought by YOU the taxpayer!
  
  Grand re-opening coming soon!
  
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  October 23, 2019 1:38pm
- rangitoto
  
  Sounds like the power price agreement must be up for renewal.
  
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  October 23, 2019 1:58pm
  - Happychappy
    
    Surely Labour and the Coalition won’t enter in to talks with the smelter on cutting the cost of their power as they would have to swallow a truck load of dead rats after there continual whinging over the previous Governments negotiations reduce the cost of power to the smelter.
    
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    October 23, 2019 4:54pm
Hugh Pavletich

AUSTRALIA COLLAPSES NEW HOUSING PRODUCTION WHILE NEW ZEALAND RESPONSIBLY LIFTS IT …

Get ready for another structural housing shortage … Leith van Onselen … MacroBusiness Australia

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/10/get-ready-for-another-structural-housing-shortage/

… extracts …

Australians are going to have to get used to living in more cramped and crowded accommodation as housing supply once again falls below rampant immigration-fuelled population growth.

That’s the view of Australia’s largest listed developer, Stockland, who has warned that housing shortages are developing from coast-to-coast: …

… Tim Johansen, the global head of capital at development financier Qualitas, backed this view: …

… The RBA, CBA and BIS Oxford Economics all made similar predictions last week. … read more via hyperlink above …
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Australia’s dwelling approvals crash goes from bad to worse … Leith van Onselen … MacroBusiness Australia

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/10/australias-dwelling-approvals-crash-deepens/

Building Consents Issued August 2019 … Statistics New Zealand

https://www.stats.govt.nz/information-releases/building-consents-issued-august-2019

… extract …

By region, the numbers of new dwellings consented in the year ended August 2019 (compared with the August 2018 year) were:

14,345 in Auckland – up 11 percent
4,048 in Waikato – up 16 percent
2,747 in Wellington – up 2.0 percent
5,705 in rest of North Island – up 1.7 percent
5,198 in Canterbury – up 12 percent
3,607 in rest of South Island – up 6.2 percent.
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- Hugh Pavletich
  
  Annualizing the August figures and adjusting for different populations, the consents / approval rate per 1000 population per annum (standard international industry measure) is about 6.03 for Australia and 7.93 for New Zealand. The August consent rate per 1000 population per annum in Canterbury for August is about a remarkable 10.
  
  New Zealand’s August 2019 residential dwelling consenting / approval rate is therefore some 31.5% higher than Australia’s.
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  Local Government New Zealand is extremely clear why housing is currently unaffordable …
  
  Property owners and developers want more councils to be directed by Government under new planning rules … Marta Steeman … Stuff NZ
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/116615782/property-owners-and-developers-want-more-councils-to-be-directed-by-government-under-new-planning-rules
  
  … concluding …
  
  … (Local Government New Zealand says …) … The real obstacles to development were a restrictive planning regime, too much risk on councils regarding building and the inability to open up land for development because of poor infrastructure funding and financing tools. Note Pavletich / Paulson comment at bottom of comments thread)
  
  … Housing affordability is the major public policy issue in New Zealand (42%) … while in Australia it is 6th (19%) … because of the better quality public discussion of the real structural issues in New Zealand these past 15+ years (access background information http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org ) …
  
  The IPSOS New Zealand Issues Monitor – July 2019
  
  https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/ct/news/documents/2019-08/6th_ipsos_new_zealand_issues_monitor_released_1_aug_19.pdf
  
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  October 23, 2019 1:00pm
rightoverlabour

Fucking [deleted by Mod]

https://www.classic.ird.govt.nz/campaigns/2019/ring-fencing-residential-rental-deductions/ring-fencing-residential-rental-deductions.html
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October 23, 2019 1:21pm
- Tall Man
  
  Correct me if I’m wrong but wasn’t this indicated quite a while ago?
  
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  October 23, 2019 2:17pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    It was signalled a long time ago, but I was hoping with this COL’s ineptetude it would pass by. However, the value of the house is increasing so I’ll see how this impacts me, and make a decision on selling up. The tenants can go and squat with Cinders.
    
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    October 23, 2019 2:59pm
    - Tall Man
      
      To be honest, the ring fencing was always on the cards regardless of government due to the distortion it can create.
      
      I hope it won’t impact on as many as an annual CGT could.
      
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      October 24, 2019 9:01am
- rightoverlabour
  
  Ok I apologise. I was just trying to use my best Shakespearing English…
  
  “By my life, this is my lady’s hand. These be her very c’s, her u’s, and her t’s, and thus makes she her great P’s. It is in contempt of question her hand.”
  
  C’s, U’s, and T’s? Yes, Malvolio unwittingly spells c[deleted bymod], with and standing in for N. If we disregard and, C-U-T spells cut, itself crude Elizabethan slang for “vagina.” As for makes great P’s? Malvolio doesn’t realize he’s just characterized Olivia’s urination.
  
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  October 23, 2019 2:19pm
lastmanstanding

I made the mistake of making a comment on the Daily Mail article regarding the current problems with the Young Royals.

I opined that in the mid 1930s a divorced American woman has caused problems for the House of Windsor and maybe the second American divorcee might do the same.

My comment attracted such negative comments that the Editor removed the comment and advised me accordingly.

My response was as follows;

Hi

The first part of my comment was factually correct and the second part was honestly held opinion. Sad that fact and opinion are now censored by your publication. Perhaps the Editor should read George Orwells book 1984 and reflect on its contents with respect to your editorial policy..

Kind regards
Lastmanstanding

The rot has set in.
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October 23, 2019 1:30pm
- chaos
  
  Yeah, that’s the problem with the royals today an American actress who thinks everything revolves around her.
  
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  October 23, 2019 1:47pm
chaos

* One of the reasons for the fire still being alight is that the roof includes layers of flammable straw.

Auckland University associate professor of civil engineering Charles Clifton told Stuff the straw was used for insulation and acoustics.

It was seen to be more environmentally-friendly than other insulation materials.

“The reason the fire’s still burning is the fire got into the straw. You’ve got the layers of straw and the layer of plywood on-top, with a bitumen membrane on it. So it is a flammable panel,” he said.*

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/10/live-updates-skycity-convention-centre-fire-burns-through-night-road-closures-to-disrupt-morning-commute.html
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October 23, 2019 1:35pm
Maggie Pie

Obviously Jacinda is a big follower of KB!
1ZB have just announced the PM has cancelled her trip to Auckland to meet the firefighters, in favor of having a meeting with ‘officials’.
LOL!!!
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October 23, 2019 1:37pm
- rangitoto
  
  The fire fighters probably told her they are too busy. Don’t call us, we’ll call you.
  
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  October 23, 2019 2:26pm
- chaos
  
  That’s code for she decided to have fish n chips instead
  
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  October 23, 2019 2:30pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Any excuse to get out of QT, the bloody useless shirker.
  
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  October 23, 2019 3:13pm
secondcumming

If a *qualified chippie* can earn a grand-a-day installing new kitchens, why the fuck would they want to risk their lives working on a shitty high-rise construction site?

Just saying.
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October 23, 2019 1:59pm
rangitoto

“Environmentally friendly”

From Newshub.

One of the reasons for the fire still being alight is that the roof includes layers of flammable straw.

Auckland University associate professor of civil engineering Charles Clifton told Stuff the straw was used for insulation and acoustics.

It was seen to be more environmentally-friendly than other insulation materials.

“The reason the fire’s still burning is the fire got into the straw. You’ve got the layers of straw and the layer of plywood on-top, with a bitumen membrane on it. So it is a flammable panel,” he said.”

Obviously didn’t read the story about the three little pigs.
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October 23, 2019 2:00pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  One straw fibres in bales in the roof were covered in cement making them fireproof.
  Has bitumen replace cement as a fire retardant?
  
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  October 23, 2019 3:23pm
  - cmm
    
    There’s fire proof and fire proof.
    
    Sure you won’t be able to burn through cement with your Bic, but when those straw panels heat up two things happen:
    1) The heat gassifies wood/straw inside the panel which will come through the cement. It burns anyway.
    2) The cement will break off and expose the underlying straw (which is now carbonised and is, effectively, fine charcoal). It burns anyway.
    
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    October 23, 2019 6:40pm
Fletch

An excellent speech by AG Barr at Notre Dame on religious liberty.

Some highlights –

Men are subject to powerful passions and appetites, and, if unrestrained, are capable of ruthlessly riding roughshod over their neighbors and the community at large.

No society can exist without some means for restraining individual rapacity.

But, if you rely on the coercive power of government to impose restraints, this will inevitably lead to a government that is too controlling, and you will end up with no liberty, just tyranny.

On the other hand, unless you have some effective restraint, you end up with something equally dangerous – licentiousness – the unbridled pursuit of personal appetites at the expense of the common good. This is just another form of tyranny – where the individual is enslaved by his appetites, and the possibility of any healthy community life crumbles.

Edmund Burke summed up this point in his typically colorful language:

“Men are qualified for civil liberty, in exact proportion to their disposition to put chains upon their appetites…. Society cannot exist unless a controlling power be placed somewhere; and the less of it there is within, the more there must be without. It is ordained in the eternal constitution of things that men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters.”

Secularists, and their allies among the “progressives,” have marshaled all the force of mass communications, popular culture, the entertainment industry, and academia in an unremitting assault on religion and traditional values.

These instruments are used not only to affirmatively promote secular orthodoxy, but also drown out and silence opposing voices, and to attack viciously and hold up to ridicule any dissenters.

One of the ironies, as some have observed, is that the secular project has itself become a religion, pursued with religious fervor. It is taking on all the trappings of a religion, including inquisitions and excommunication.

Those who defy the creed risk a figurative burning at the stake – social, educational, and professional ostracism and exclusion waged through lawsuits and savage social media campaigns.

In the past, when societies are threatened by moral chaos, the overall social costs of licentiousness and irresponsible personal conduct becomes so high that society ultimately recoils and reevaluates the path that it is on.

But today – in the face of all the increasing pathologies – instead of addressing the underlying cause, we have the State in the role of alleviator of bad consequences. We call on the State to mitigate the social costs of personal misconduct and irresponsibility.

So the reaction to growing illegitimacy is not sexual responsibility, but abortion.

The reaction to drug addiction is safe injection sites.

The solution to the breakdown of the family is for the State to set itself up as the ersatz husband for single mothers and the ersatz father to their children.

The call comes for more and more social programs to deal with the wreckage. While we think we are solving problems, we are underwriting them.

We start with an untrammeled freedom and we end up as dependents of a coercive state on which we depend.

Law is being used as weapon in a couple of ways.

First, either through legislation but more frequently through judicial interpretation, secularists have been continually seeking to eliminate laws that reflect traditional moral norms.

At first, this involved rolling back laws that prohibited certain kinds of conduct. Thus, the watershed decision legalizing abortion. And since then, the legalization of euthanasia. The list goes on.

More recently, we have seen the law used aggressively to force religious people and entities to subscribe to practices and policies that are antithetical to their faith.

The problem is not that religion is being forced on others. The problem is that irreligion and secular values are being forced on people of faith.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IM87WMsrCWM

Transcribed –

https://www.justice.gov/opa/speech/attorney-general-william-p-barr-delivers-remarks-law-school-and-de-nicola-center-ethics
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October 23, 2019 2:04pm
- Batman
  
  Yes, Fletch, under Barr, Pompeo and Pence, the separation of church and state is bring burned to the ground.
  
  Sad.
  
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  October 23, 2019 2:06pm
- stephieboy
  
  Fletch , seems like a good prescription for dictatorship by fundamentalist Christian theocrats
  
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  October 23, 2019 2:27pm
rightoverlabour

A “C” word of a different flavour

https://electroverse.net/physicist-co2-retains-heat-for-only-0-0001-seconds-warming-not-possible/
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October 23, 2019 3:06pm
- Kabull
  
  Very interesting. Read also the two articles “Another Climate Scientist with Impeccable Credentials Breaks Ranks: “Our models are Mickey-Mouse Mockeries of the Real World” and “The Top Climate Scientist who Exposed NOAA as Frauds“
  
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  October 23, 2019 3:28pm
- cmm
  
  This is one of those bits of bullshit dressed in truth.
  
  A piece of blanket also holds onto heat for a very short time too, but it can form a good insulator.
  
  Still, the impact of CO2 as a cause for green house effects is vastly overstated. Water vapour is a much more important GHG.
  
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  October 23, 2019 6:35pm
Kabull

I occasionally look at the FYI.org.nz official information site to see what pearls come up. I notice that there have been a number of requests recently to organisations like GNS Science, Victoria University, Auckland University, NIWA, and Ministry for the Environment asking for records mentioning:
Greta Thunberg and her parents
Patrick Frank
Ronan & Michael Connolly
Ned Nikolov
Kari Zeller
Christopher Monckton
All these have experience in atmospheric and climate science. I have no doubt the requester will make known the outcome of his queries in due course and I have no wish to steal his thunder, but the initial response is disturbing. GNS, the only organisation to have replied so far, says it has no information about any of the scientists listed, and only limited information on Greta.
The response from GNS includes this fascinating internal email from a staffer:

Thank you to all my fabulous colleagues at GNS who sent positive messages of support regarding the message I sent out yesterday on Climate Breakdown and legal work to make ecocide the fifth international crime against peace. I must be honest that I didn’t expect such a response. You have encouraged me to do what I can and together we can change and reduce our carbon footprint. I want to especially acknowledge my colleagues who have already paved the way and are now ardent ev converts, ride bicycles, catch public transport, car pool, are vegan/vegetarian etc, etc. Just imagine how much more peaceful the world would be if we didn’t all drive around in fossil fuel monstrosities and how much cleaner our air would be without all those nasty particulates from combustion engines. I can’t wait for the day when they are all gone.
s9(2)(a)
Sorry in my haste to send this message out yesterday, I forgot to send you the important link to ‘smoke and fumes’, which is the case that is bringing against the Shell Netherlands CEOs and government minister, at this very time. It shows evidence that they have known for
over 30 years of the damage fossil fuels were doing to the environment and they employed scientists to discredit the climate science and deliberately mislead the public (elsewhere, s9(2)(a) refers to the Carbon Majors report, that describes who these corporations are and who owns them).
https://www.smokeandfumes.org/
The petrol party is over – bring on the electric/hydrogen fuel cell/renewable energy party. The longer we support the petroleum industry, the longer alternative energies and technologies will be suppressed.
As scientists engaged in climate research at GNS, one of our key roles should be to communicate to the public what fossil fuels are doing to the climate and how this threatens life as we know it on the planet and our urgent need to change. The public has been misled and confused. We have the resources and ability to change.
Greta has showed us that even the smallest person can make a huge difference and inspire others to change, if we are willing speak up and do something. The young people get it and they want a hope and a future too.

The tenor of this email illustrates clearly the challenge in getting any push back against the alarmists, and how it will be, I suspect, impossible to have any government agency – let alone the Climate Commission – give the public a balanced, factually accurate view of climate change. If GNS has no knowledge of the work of ‘those on the other side’, there must be something seriously wrong with their research methods. As a public sector organisation, I would have thought it incumbent on GNS to test the science and look into the findings of those who dispute the ‘proven’ science. After all, isn’t that what science is supposed to be about – testing hypotheses, not just accepting them? Instead it seems clear to me that GNS chooses to accept what the IPCC says without question.

I have to finish with the closing comment in one of the released GNS emails:
“Can I be so bold as to suggest that our core statement of purpose at GNS should not put prosperity first, but put care of the planet first, then we will be fine and the money will take care of itself. We need to put the public good back into science and not try and force it to be another commodity, that is corrupted by money priorities.”

As an aside, I see a report in the Express only this morning that scientists have found that Antarctic ice shelves will not collapse suddenly with resultant catastrophic sea level rise (as they have been preaching for years) – rather they will ‘slowly flow out, resembling a mountain of honey thats been released from a dam.’
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October 23, 2019 3:19pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  There is no ‘other side’ – there is only actual science.
  Patrick Frank, the Connollys, Monckton et al are fringe loonies.
  
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  October 23, 2019 3:41pm
  - Morrissey
    
    Loon Monckton has been a cause célèbre for the delusional right in this country for some considerable time. Cameron Slater’s hapless lackey Jordan Williams was, and presumably still is, one of Monckton’s most devoted advocates….
    
    https://morrisseybreen.blogspot.com/2018/01/jordan-williams-fertile-mind-was.html
    
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    October 23, 2019 5:21pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Greta reads from a script. Without a script she is lost and directs her fumbling answers to others.
  Soros puppet
  
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  October 23, 2019 5:29pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Steve Otto(North Shore),
    
    Go and visit your Doctor!
    
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    October 23, 2019 6:01pm
  - chaos
    
    Yeah this was shown when she couldn’t answer questions and kept asking the. To ask other people. She fumbled big time when trying to
    
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    October 23, 2019 6:53pm
MCos

Series of interesting tweets
https://twitter.com/marty_lederman/status/1186733813503844354?s=21
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October 23, 2019 3:49pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Interesting that the career diploamts are lining up to testify to congress after being told by the state department not to testify, and knowing that the department of justice will not pursue them if they refuse sub poenas to testify
  
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  October 23, 2019 4:00pm
Happychappy

I see the Top brass in the Police dont like former Police Officers writing about bulling in the Police force and will try to shut them down at all costs.
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/police-told-bullying-victim-retract-statement-face-legal-action.
But this ex Police Officer decided his love of the job and the Police he would not back down to bullies in senior positions in the Police Force or Stuart Nash and risks court action by speaking out.
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October 23, 2019 4:22pm
453mm

Priscilla Dickinson of Newshub reported today:

Statistics NZ data indicates that in 2018, 20,949 people married and 7,455 divorced.

How can an odd number of people get married, or diverced?
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October 23, 2019 5:17pm
- Tall Man
  
  Good question… perhaps a few of the idiots identified as a married couple 😉
  
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  October 23, 2019 9:06pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  muslim, multiple wives, married overseas where it is legal
  
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  October 23, 2019 11:29pm
greybeard

This Sky City fire may actually be a blessing in disguise.

Rather it happened now, with no fatalities, than after it was completed and full of people.

It has served to expose the crap design, the appalling choice of materials for construction, the obvious cost-cutting which has occurred, and the lousy building practices and oversight.

It is a disgrace.

As usual, heads should roll, but this is NZ: everyone will duck for cover, blame everyone else, then leave the country.
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October 23, 2019 6:12pm
- chaos
  
  It wouldn’t of happened when completed. It happened because of a blowtorch being used in the construction. The water sprinklers weren’t yet working.
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  October 23, 2019 6:52pm
chaos

* Justin Lester has 193 Wellingtonians – the number of his supporters whose votes were deemed invalid – to blame for his election loss.

Electionz.nz has released the number of “partial informal” votes received for Lester and mayor elect Andy Foster. These are votes that, through the process of the single transferable vote system, would have eventually fallen to Foster or Lester but were eliminated because they were not filled out correctly.

Of those, 193 would have landed in Lester’s box, while 109 would have gone to Foster – an 84 vote margin in Lester’s favour. Once all special votes were counted, Foster only just made the mayoral office with a 62-vote margin.*

https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/116801114/invalid-votes-tipped-race-for-wellington-mayor-in-fosters-favour
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October 23, 2019 7:46pm
- Tall Man
  
  So basically lester’s supporters are dumber than Foster’s by almost 2:1 😉
  
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  October 23, 2019 9:04pm
Hugh Pavletich

HONG KONG …

China draws up plan to replace Carrie Lam’ as Hong Kong protests drag on …The Guardian

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/oct/23/china-draws-up-plan-to-replace-carrie-lam-as-hong-kong-protests-drag-on-report

China reportedly has plans to replace Hong Kong’s embattled leader, Carrie Lam, with an “interim” chief executive once protests have settled down.

The news emerged as the murder suspect whose case prompted the original extradition bill that in turn sparked the protest movement in June was released from prison on Wednesday.

Citing people briefed on the discussions, the Financial Times reported that Beijing plans to replace Lam next year. The chief executive has become a lightning rod for sweeping protests over the past four months, stemming from fears Beijing is tightening its grip and limiting the freedoms enjoyed under the “one country, two systems” principle enshrined when Britain handed Hong Kong back to China in 1997. … read more via hyperlink above …
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October 23, 2019 8:36pm
Hugh Pavletich

HONG KONG …

A Single Car Parking Spot Just Sold in Hong Kong for Almost a Million Dollars … TIME

https://time.com/5707937/most-expensive-parking-spot/

World’s most expensive parking space in Hong Kong changes owners for US$969,000, triple the city’s median home price … South China Morning Post

https://www.scmp.com/business/article/3034153/car-parking-space-center-hong-kong-changes-owners-record-hk76-million
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