General Debate 21 October 2019

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Maggie Pie

When this pic popped up on my partners Twitter, he thought Golriz should add it to her CV – alongside that other one of her and Simon Bikindi 😀

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EHJQyv9VUAAxqRv?format=jpg&name=small
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October 21, 2019 8:04am
- srylands
  
  She has been very quiet lately.
  
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  October 21, 2019 8:35am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    In the States learning at the feet of the “squad”.
    
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    October 21, 2019 8:44am
  - harvey wilson
    
    No she hasn’t, she’s been opposing the anti terrorism bill
    
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    October 21, 2019 8:50am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      But gave one sensible reason: we shouldn’t accept other countries’ definition of ‘terrorism’ when they might be using to shut up peaceful protestors.
      
      I hope Labour and National are ensuring that can’t happen.
      
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      October 21, 2019 12:56pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Good point. That’s what happened to Ahmed Zaoui.
        
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        October 21, 2019 1:49pm
  - chaos
    
    She is dealing with being a one income household again
    
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    October 21, 2019 8:55am
    - sooty
      
      You Sir, are funnyer than Guy Williams the unemployed comedian!
      
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      October 21, 2019 9:08am
      - chaos
        
        The dog shit on my lawn is funnier than Guy Williams.
        
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        October 21, 2019 9:14am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Your dogs shit on my front lawn is more acceptable to me than Guy Williams
        
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        October 21, 2019 2:31pm
- Local Miller
  
  Definitely a photo shop job. Note the hard lines where her face overlays Arafat’s. In fact if you Google Golriz images you will find the original of her that was used. Also, Goriz was only 23 when Arafat died.
  Not that it wouldn’t have happened if she’d had the opportunity.
  
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  October 21, 2019 8:42am
  - sooty
    
    I love it he’s got his tongue in her ear, just like he did with that fool goof!
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    Why did he want the age of consent lowered?
    Had goof been bought that long ago?
    
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    October 21, 2019 9:11am
    - Kevin Herlihy
      
      Goff got slobbered all over by Arafat at his Ramallah compound.Arafat was clearly excited holding Goffs hand, he thought Goff was a rent boy sent to him as a present from the PLO.
      
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      October 21, 2019 4:23pm
  - Local Miller
    
    Really, down ticks for showing that the post was a lie? I’m no friend of people like Golriz, but we don’t have to propagate lies about them, they give us enough real ammunition without our needing to sink to these levels.
    
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    October 21, 2019 9:11am
    - secondcumming
      
      WHOOOOSSSH! 😎
      
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      October 21, 2019 9:19am
    - DILLIGAF
      
      Down ticks are probably for completely missing the joke, then complaining about being down ticked for missing the joke…
      
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      October 21, 2019 9:36am
      - Maggie Pie
        
        😛
        
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        October 21, 2019 9:52am
    - Bobba Fret
      
      I think you need your sense of humour installed. I can’t imagine anyone on here actually thought it was not photo shopped!
      
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      October 21, 2019 10:26am
  - John Warren
    
    Er, I don’t think anybody intended it to be mistaken for a real photo. You might have missed the joke.
    
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    October 21, 2019 10:58am
  - igm
    
    They have substituted GG for Goff, he being the Arafat hugger and kisser!
    
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    October 21, 2019 11:44am
- Lizziep
  
  OMG that is disgusting.
  
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  October 21, 2019 9:51am
peterwn

What a strange country we live in when it is illegal for prison authorities to install bugs (eavesdropping devices) in orisons unless they get a Court warrant. I thought this was a quite valid means of maintaining order in prisons. If prisoners do not want to be overheard they should not be planning illegal activities in prison.
The Germans quite happily bugged Stalag Luft III and other prison camps in WW2. The inmates there (including Kiwis) had not committed any crime. The found one bug and connected it to the electric light when the knew the Commandant would be listening in.
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October 21, 2019 8:05am
- Frank Thomas
  
  It’s even simpler than that. If they don’t want to be eavesdropped they shouldn’t be in prison full stop!
  
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  October 21, 2019 8:30am
- SGA
  
  The Germans quite happily bugged Stalag Luft III and other prison camps in WW2.
  
  Irrespective of the pro’s and con’s of bugging prison cells, I think that’s a strange pole to use for your moral compass. The Germans quite happily did all sorts of things in WW2.
  
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  October 21, 2019 8:44am
- rouppe
  
  Regarding bugging, you then have to wonder at the legality of all those CCTV cameras in Courtney place.
  
  Ah but they’re in a public place and you don’t have an expectation of privacy? Isn’t that the same as talking through prison air vents? Won’t all sorts of people overhear that conversation? So what’s one more?
  
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  October 21, 2019 9:12am
- Wangas Feral
  
  And the British bugged German generals at Trent Park and regular POWs in other camps as well. Interestingly, a lot of the ‘listeners’ were pre-war German refugees.
  
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  October 21, 2019 9:15am
  - Paulus
    
    My schoolmaster who taught Languages was one of the Trent Park listeners.
    I was born half a km of Trent Park and lived there for 12 years.
    
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    October 21, 2019 1:33pm
    - IC5000
      
      So you’re not actually a real kiwi then. That explains a lot of your views.
      
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      October 21, 2019 4:01pm
      - SGA
        
        Interesting. So “real kiwis” don’t come with a range of views in their own right? Not my experience.
        
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        October 21, 2019 8:16pm
- kowtow
  
  Allies did it too.
  
  ‘Historian Helen Fry, who has written a book called The M Room: Secret Listeners who bugged the Nazis., says the information gleaned by the eavesdropping of the German generals was vitally important to the war effort – so much so that it was given an unlimited budget by the government.’
  
  https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-20698098
  
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  October 21, 2019 9:34am
JibberJabber

The incessant whining from NZs media about Irish fans singing during All Blacks posturing war dance will probably ensure it happens every time from now on.
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October 21, 2019 8:07am
- srylands
  
  I think it is time to give it up.
  
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  October 21, 2019 8:37am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    Irish singing????
    
    Or the stoneage war dance, where we threaten to kill and eat your families, and enslave your women-folk?
    
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    October 21, 2019 8:45am
    - Fletch
      
      The English-translated Haka makes little sense anyway. Something about “the hairy man”…
      
      [edit] found it –
      
      Slap the hands against the thighs!
      Puff out the chest!
      Bend the knees!
      Let the hip follow!
      Stamp the feet as hard as you can!
      It is death! It is death!
      It is life! It is life!
      This is the hairy person
      Who caused the sun to shine!
      Keep abreast! Keep abreast!
      The rank! Hold fast!
      Into the sun that shines!
      
      Yeahhhhhhhh…… ?
      Unless they do another one for the rugby?
      
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      October 21, 2019 10:20am
      - toby1845
        
        The ‘hairy man’ (not person) refers to the vagina of the Maori chieftainess who sheltered Te Rauparaha by standing over him as he cowered in a kumara pit when his tribe was under attack by Waikato Maori under Te Wherowhero. Hence, he looked up at the hairy man whose protection enabled him to survive and live to fight another day.
        
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        October 21, 2019 4:14pm
      - Fletch
        
        So, the whole song is about cowering/hiding under a woman? Doesn’t seem appropriate to use as a war cry before a game…
        
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        October 21, 2019 5:40pm
  - septic skeptic
    
    I’m going to miss Michael Cheika. They should have kept a shot of him in the corner of the screen throughout the matches.
    
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    October 21, 2019 8:56am
  - 453mm
    
    I would like to see the haka gone from the likes of the Commonwealth Games. It seems whenever a kiwi so much as farts at those games, Trevor and Karen from Howick and a half-dozen of their drunk mates do yet another amateur haka. Frankly, it’s embarrassing.
    
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    October 21, 2019 2:11pm
- Albert_Ross
  
  Everybody seems to be in agreement, but I’m a bit puzzled – googling “Irish haka response” delivers nothing newer than 23 hours old, much of it from Australian and British media. What “incessant whining” did you have in mind?
  
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  October 21, 2019 8:48am
  - Twinkletoes
    
    Google ‘The Fields of Athenry’ – it is a song of the famine and how one young man was being sent to the colonies for stealing some corn for his child. Very evocative.
    
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    October 21, 2019 10:46am
- Prince
  
  The NZ media would like nothing more.
  
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  October 21, 2019 8:56am
- Frank Thomas
  
  Fake news. Remember this is The Herald using this for click bait.
  
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  October 21, 2019 9:09am
Yvette

When Ardern was electioneering, a question of a royalty on bottled water heading to China led to consideration of a tax on water for irrigation. Being suggested at 1 cent to 2 cents a cubic metre – a difference of one amount or twice as much – it became such a perceived uncertainty for rural voters that it was all shoved sideways into the Tax Working Group, and with an impetuous Captain’s Call was promised would not come into effect this term of Government.

The Tax Working Group ended up recommending a Capital Gains Tax, but – without the blessing of Winston Peters – any Capital Gains Tax was flung out of the cot and another impetuous Captain’s Call promised it would not be considered again while Jacinda is leader.

In what seems a vast contrast, uncertainty doesn’t seem to worry people voting for New Zealand First and in particular for Winston.
So about 182,000 New Zealanders give him their vote, seemingly happy for him to do with it as he wishes – even if it does appear now that a majority really hoped he would go with National (which may be who yesterday he claimed “The fact is New Zealand First, right now, as a party of the centre, is the National Party, when it had a capital N”)

So Labour were worried about Election uncertainty, but about 7.2% of voters embraced it – let Winston do as he will, and that’s after he knows the result of everyone else’s vote, and after he has negotiated with the ultimate in self-interest conflicts with other parties over policy, so that quite an amount of that is no longer what people voted for either.

And now it seems a new possibility emerges: Winston Peters admits there’s a ‘succession plan’ for New Zealand First leadership.
Will New Zealand First tell voters before the next Election who will take over from Winston?
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October 21, 2019 8:10am
- Frank Thomas
  
  I think the only way Winston will leave Parliament is in a pine box. That’s his succession plan…..
  
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  October 21, 2019 8:36am
  - septic skeptic
    
    It will have to be in the next 12 months then. The voters will flush Winston and his bunch of blowhards and sycophants at the next election.
    
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    October 21, 2019 8:43am
  - Local Miller
    
    What, you think he will ever be happy with pine! I bet even in that state he will balk at at such a mean for of transport.
    
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    October 21, 2019 8:47am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Surely, he would want copper, at the very least.
      
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      October 21, 2019 9:12am
      - sooty
        
        And a wooden stakethru the heart!
        
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        October 21, 2019 9:16am
  - Ruawai
    
    Surely in a French oak box for a statesman of his perceived standing.
    
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    October 21, 2019 9:18am
    - sooty
      
      Do they make whine boxes that big?
      Fit in one after going thru the oven!
      
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      October 21, 2019 10:35am
  - JackRabbit
    
    @Frank Thomas
    
    Perhaps a Wine Box would be more appropriate. He could get the “inside” story on the inquiry.
    
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    October 21, 2019 1:57pm
  - Nermal
    
    To quote Mike Moore on Rob Muldoon: “I’ll believe he’s gone when I see the wooden stake in his heart and the garlic around his neck”
    
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    October 21, 2019 3:09pm
- Prince
  
  Rejection of CGT had nothing to do with Peters. Labour always campaigned on a platform of any tax changes being presented in the 2020 campaign, so there was never any intention to make the change this term, requiring NZF support.
  What scuppered the tax was that neither Ardern nor Robertson was capable of arguing for it, in the face of National’s campaign against it. Personally I believe CGT would be a good thing (the more comprehensive the better, and accompanied with income tax reductions). But it is telling that the PM, and the MOF are so superficial they cannot grasp the benefits, nor argue their case.
  
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  October 21, 2019 9:00am
  - sooty
    
    Yep. They had to bring in Sullen Cullen!
    
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    October 21, 2019 9:17am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    No. I don’t want to pay tax on what is basically just inflation.
    
    A house is worth the same house 10 years later (minus a lot of maintenance). Whether the price has doubled is *irrelevant*: that is no real gain to the owner.
    
    The brightline test was quite enough of a CGT to ensure longer term owners who provide valuable rental don’t get hit with CGT.
    
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    October 21, 2019 1:09pm
Lee C

Winstons’ election song: https://youtu.be/MGwv32mYPhQ
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October 21, 2019 8:16am
Simon

In a public post on Thursday, Labour list MP Raymond Huo said he was bombarded with phone calls from Chinese constituents regarding Key’s visit.

“Key has been a master in understanding the Chinese notion of ‘guanxi’.”

Guanxi, Huo explained, is the Chinese system of trust and personal connection that means entrepreneurs or politicians can rely on promises without legal basis.

“And according to the community, [Key’s] former National Party is the only political party in New Zealand that understands China as a country and the Chinese community as a voting bloc.

“It is a fair comment that National is at Masters’ level and other parties are still doing 101, willingly or otherwise.”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/116662519/lost-in-translation-differences-in-chinese-and-english-reports-on-sir-john-keys-china-visit

Without legal basis. Lol. What a shower of shit.

“Chinese community as a voting bloc”

Many Chinese moved to NZ to get away from the CCP and sad little cockwombles like you. They dont vote as a bloc.

“guanxi” In NZ terms: means its not what you know its who you blow.
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October 21, 2019 8:18am
- srylands
  
  No they don’t vote as a block but I would guess they are over represented as National and ACT voters. For obvious reasons.
  
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  October 21, 2019 8:41am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    The obvious reasons is that Chinese respect those who work hard to prosper themselves. How many COL voters are so admired?
    COL, whinge–work of their choice optional.
    
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    October 21, 2019 10:35am
    - igm
      
      They are an admirable race of achievers and work extremely hard. Very tough to do business with, but are good payers.
      
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      October 21, 2019 11:49am
      - mark15
        
        Stealing everybody else’s intellectual property.
        
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        October 21, 2019 12:19pm
- Frank Thomas
  
  Yeah, it’s like our quaint old saying from the olden days “A mans word is his bond” when you could trust people to do as they say. I wonder which direction your moral compass points by chance?
  
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  October 21, 2019 8:41am
  - Simon
    
    A Million People Are Jailed at China’s Gulags. I Managed to Escape. Here’s What Really Goes on Inside
    
    Rape, torture and human experiments. Sayragul Sauytbay offers firsthand testimony from a Xinjiang ‘reeducation’ camp
    
    https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/.premium.MAGAZINE-a-million-people-are-jailed-at-china-s-gulags-i-escaped-here-s-what-goes-on-inside-1.7994216
    
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    October 21, 2019 8:53am
    - Frank Thomas
      
      If countries only traded with countries they “liked” the world would be a much much poorer place. I remember back in the 80’s when we came under intense pressure from the US not to sell our lamb to Iran. So who the hell were we suppose to sell it to, the UK? The same guys that gave us the rissole when they joined the EEC?
      Don’t be such a Luddite. The Socialist Utopia is a lie!
      
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      October 21, 2019 1:03pm
      - IC5000
        
        So you would trade with Nazi Germany if it was commercially advantageous?
        
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        October 21, 2019 2:17pm
      - Frank Thomas
        
        What a silly question. My understanding, is that we didn’t have much trade with Germany after the Nazis came to power but Britain did. Obviously once war broke out all trade ceased as in any armed conflict between countries. Last time I looked we weren’t at war with anyone at the present time, except maybe the War on Drugs.
        
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        October 21, 2019 2:58pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        New Zealand signed a trade pact with Nazi Germany in 1937. Hugo Boss needed high-quality wool for those nice SS uniforms.
        
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        October 21, 2019 3:20pm
      - Frank Thomas
        
        Gold star to Milkey………I knew some swot would come along and try and prove me wrong, hence why I didn’t say NO trade. OK?
        
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        October 21, 2019 3:41pm
- kowtow
  
  A Labour MP praising a former National PM for his dealings with the Chinese communist party.
  
  Is this evidence of Peking interfering in NZ politics , via the United Front.
  
  These are questions that must be asked. If it’s OK for our media to go gaga over alleged Russian interference in the US elections , then why is there so little attention given to United Front activities here .
  
  And it does matter . It could be an issue in Canada’s tight election, at least one immigrant is trying to make it that way.
  
  “As the founder of Canada-Hong Kong Link (CHKL), Fung is petitioning the six main parties contesting the election on October 21 to commit to five demands, ranging from controlling the export of military and crowd-control technology to Hong Kong to urging Beijing to refrain from calling in the People’s Liberation Army to quell anti-government protests, sparked by a now withdrawn extradition bill, that have entered their fifth month.”
  
  https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/politics/article/3032596/could-hong-kong-protests-sway-canadian-election
  
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  October 21, 2019 9:08am
- Tall Man
  
  And the anti China hypocrite is back again.
  
  How’s the “no Chinese” policy going in your house?
  
  Eliminated all Chinese made or own items from your life yet?
  
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  October 21, 2019 12:27pm
kowtow

Canada GE today .
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October 21, 2019 8:19am
- Maggie Pie
  
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  October 21, 2019 8:43am
- Greg Ettridge
  
  Amazing they are calling the vote to close to call, there are half the people would vote to put the International crossdresser embarrassment back in for another term.
  They obviously think he can completely garrot the Canadian economy and way of life given another term.
  I feel sorry for the other thinking 50%.
  
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  October 21, 2019 10:01am
- chaos
  
  The election is on the 21st Canada time, tomorrow our time
  
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  October 21, 2019 2:04pm
hullkiwi

What a surprise, not? The costs of Auckland’s LRT are being questioned. Given that AT couldn’t and NZTA can’t produce a valid/credible business case, what is the chance the financial projections for LRT will ever be credible. No different to CRL!
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October 21, 2019 8:21am
Simon

Apparently the deep state claim’s is that the Russians meddled in the 2016 election in favor of Trump.

Given the utter mess Clinton has further become the world should give sincere thanks to Russia.

Thank you to Putin and all of Russia.
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October 21, 2019 8:25am
Maggie Pie

My partner reckons even Stevie Wonder could see whats happening here – LOL!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/116638559/why-is-auckland-council-so-eager-to-sell-prime-waterfront-real-estate-to-a-millionaire-developer
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October 21, 2019 8:25am
Local Miller

Talking to my daughter (who is a teacher) last night, and she told me about some comments at a teacher’s conference she was recently at where Chris Hipkins was a main speaker. One of the the comments among the teachers: “He certainly knows how to TALK (sarc) it up doesn’t he?” This after Hipkins talked about “always being on the side of the teachers”.
The sarc was the teacher, not my comment. My daughter is telling me the teachers (not unions) are not at all happy with Hipkins, or generally Liebour at the moment.
Maybe there is still hope for this country.
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October 21, 2019 8:28am
- ISeeRed
  
  What aren’t they happy about? Not getting enough money? Tell your daughter she is privileged earning tax-free income for life, since her wages come from the taxes paid by workers in the private sector (otherwise known as “the real world”). The PAYE on her payslip is just a paper transaction. Everyone on the government payroll essentially pays NO tax for their entire LIVES for this undeniable reason. Not only do they enjoy tax-free income, all the government-provided services they use will be paid by others who also have to provide for themselves. Yes, a bit of a rant but it blows my mind how many people I know are studying to be a teacher or nurse as if money grows on one billion non-existent trees! The ever-growing government gravy train pulled by a shrinking percentage of net taxpayers in the private sector just can’t continue.
  
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  October 21, 2019 8:51am
  - chaos
    
    What a moronic comment, attacking teachers claiming their income is tax free because people in the private sector pay for it. You deserve most childish comment of the day.
    
    Thank god we have teachers and doctors and nurses and police and fire service and military that don’t listen too moronic comments like yours.
    
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    October 21, 2019 9:21am
    - kloyd0306
      
      Are you denying that without private income taxes, the teaching profession would still be possible?
      
      All revenue raised by the government is only possible because of private tax payers.
      
      Governments create nothing (without taxes).
      
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      October 21, 2019 11:19am
      - chaos
        
        Actually what I am saying is anyone who attacks those who are in profession that is paid for by the government because they are in a job funded by taxes is a moron, maybe you should learn to read before putting your words in my post. If not for people on a government wage going off and fighting for your freedoms you could very well not have the freedoms you do today.
        
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        October 21, 2019 12:34pm
      - kloyd0306
        
        I read your post and your reply. Did you read where I stated that governments weren’t necessary? No, because I never suggested that. What I did suggest is the governments cannot do anything without taxing its citizens. Maybe it is you who has a problem with comprehension?
        
        The fact remains that government workers have no work without private taxpayers.
        
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        October 21, 2019 4:19pm
  - Local Miller
    
    You are welcome to try living in a country that has user pays education. While I’m not a friend of increased tax and over paid teachers, “paper transaction” or not, it’s still tax. Sorry, but your rant is a not very subtle twisting of reality.
    So tell me, did your children get an almost “free education”? Where you were paying for it via your taxes?
    Of all the gravy trains in the country, I think the teachers are among the last we should be knocking.
    
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    October 21, 2019 9:24am
  - 453mm
    
    Clearly ISeeRed didn’t spend much time with teachers, ever.
    
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    October 21, 2019 5:16pm
  - Pateke
    
    Hey Red
    Do you ever read what you write before you post it? I’ve had long years in the services including offshore fighting to protect your right to spit venom like this. Along the way I’ve needed and received outstanding health care
    My kids and grandkids have been brilliantly educated
    If someone has looked shifty the Police have turned …. and what’s more called me Sir!
    I have payed taxes in a long working life and have been proud to do so.
    Sir, I live in the worlds most peaceful place and some of that might have something to do with five generations of my family serving our country.
    
    You may wish to revise your post for the self-centred piece of puffery that it is.
    
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    October 21, 2019 6:30pm
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Nah. They just want more. You can never satisfy a Union, they will bleed out the carcass of the employer, and then bitterly complain about their “bad luck”
  
  This is why they have chosen to infest the public sector. Half of Parliament belong to the union, and the other half don’t have the balls to enter a real shitfight – and having your ox gored always leads to a real shitfight.
  
  The Union has everything to lose, and everything to win. For the government it will only be a tiny part of their programme – assymetric warfare!
  
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  October 21, 2019 8:53am
  - chaos
    
    It’s not the unions, it is the teachers and it isn’t about money. Talking to a friend on her schools board they were promised things that labour are back tracking on not money related.
    
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    October 21, 2019 9:23am
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      Well perhaps if they hadn’t wasted all the money on extravangant wage rounds, they might have been able to afford some of the other stuff?
      
      Just sayin. It doesn’t grow on trees you know. the teachers union could have said, oh, no we only want a modest payrise, because it is far more important to put the money into facilities and services for the students….
      
      Instead they leapt into the trough with alacrity, hoovered out all the cash, and are now brandishing the kids as the usual human shields while complaining that the gummint is mean to them.
      
      Bwuhahaha!
      
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      October 21, 2019 9:56am
- marcw
  
  Looking at the COL’s list of ‘failed to deliver’, who in their right mind would want these incompetent fools to be involved in a complete reorganisation of our Education system? And with Hipkins at their head? The only saving grace is it’s not Twyford I suppose.
  
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  October 21, 2019 9:52am
JibberJabber

Thomas Sowell

Envy was once considered to be one of the seven deadly sins before it became one of the most admired virtues under its new name, “social justice.”
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October 21, 2019 8:29am
Odakyu-sen

Many Japanese rugby fans will be sad and happy. Sad that it is over, but happy that it happened at all.
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October 21, 2019 8:31am
- Tony Stuart
  
  I thought Wayne Barnes wimped out last night. He couldn’t yellow card Tendai Mtawarira quickly enough for a nasty spear tackle. Had he referred the incident to the TMO as he should have, it is likely Mtawarira would have been given a red card. He took the Japanese played above the horizontal, then drove him into the ground with force, causing the player to land on his head and shoulder. IMHO, it met the red card threshhold.
  
  I hope Mtawarira is cited for this post-match. It was a more serious incident than several of the red cards earlier in the tournament.
  
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  October 21, 2019 9:01am
  - septic skeptic
    
    Couldn’t agree more. It was a clear preemptive move by Barnes to avoid an obvious red card.
    
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    October 21, 2019 9:05am
  - Colville
    
    Yeah its a worry that both refs last night had shocking games.
    Barnes was blind for the while first half leaving the Japanese offside which was the only reason they were still in the game at half time and then the spear tackle that was the most clear cut red card of the tournament.
    It would have been a red 5 years ago before the new rules.
    
    What is it with Le Bleus …..? play like merde then pull one out of the bag. Gatland was right…the wrong team won. A forward pass leading to Wales game winning try.
    
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    October 21, 2019 9:27am
    - Return To Sender
      
      I presume you a referring to the rip/steal from the scrum?
      
      Under the laws when stripping the ball it doesn’t matter if it goes forward, its play on (even though its rarely reffed like that)
      
      https://twitter.com/timoconnorbl/status/1185848258779844608?s=19
      
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      October 21, 2019 10:47am
      - Colville
        
        but very different when it goes forward from one player to another.
        
        Even Gatland agrees!
        
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        October 21, 2019 11:50am
  - James Stephenson
    
    I disagree. He obviously had a clear view from the opposite angle to the TV camera, was absolutely certain of what he’d seen and reacted swiftly to avoid anything getting out of hand between the two teams. How many times have you seen that sort of incident spark a brawl?
    
    As a fan, that’s what I want to see from referees.
    
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    October 21, 2019 11:46am
- Frank Thomas
  
  I watched the first half, which was an absolute cracker in which the Brave Blossoms outplayed SA and were unlucky not to be ahead on the scoreboard. Unfortunately usual transmission was resumed in the second half and SA ran away with the match, however well done Japan in getting this far, you can be proud of your team.
  
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  October 21, 2019 9:23am
RW Capitalist

https://www.national.org.nz/even_fewer_police_officers_than_stuart_nash_claims
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October 21, 2019 8:34am
- stephieboy
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  RW Capitalist , is that link National’s answer to The Standard?
  
  Just curious.
  
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  October 21, 2019 10:23am
Local Miller

My daughter and her husband bought a house in Hobsonville Point about a year ago. Being right in the middle of the development (physically) they are very aware of what is and isn’t going down.
Backing onto their back garden fence is a row of 3 story units that were completed at the same time as her unit. Well who would guess, after a year most of them have still not sold. Over the last week or so they noticed the houses were getting a makeover and thought they had finally sold. But all was not as it appeared, the makeover was so the developers could present a smarter house hoping to make the house more attractive.
So where are all these 10s of 1000s of people struggling to get into houses?
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October 21, 2019 8:35am
- Chris R
  
  The alleged “housing crisis” was and is a myth!
  
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  October 21, 2019 8:48am
  - Tall Man
    
    It never was a “housing” crisis. It was an “affordability” crisis or as I think of it, a crisis of stupidity when home buyers thought they should be able to buy a luxury house in a great suburb in Central Auckland while on a benefit subsidised minimum wage.
    
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    October 21, 2019 11:11am
- Tricati
  
  They are waiting for the tax-payer to give them one free – Labour’s policy of housing for all if you vote for us remember.
  
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  October 21, 2019 8:50am
  - igm
    
    Interesting to talk to tradies that maintain state houses . . . they have got to the point where many of the employees want more money to go into these hovels . . . the tenants are animals, and Sepuloni has given them lifelong tenure . . . and we are paying.
    What further pisses me off is the fact that these leeching tenants all get to vote and decide where those paying rates money goes.
    
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    October 21, 2019 9:09am
    - fightingtemeraire
      
      My next door neighbour is a lady in her late 70’s and her house is a housing NZ one.
      
      She keeps it immaculate. Another across the road the tenant moved out and it was sold and that also was immaculate.
      
      Another in the street is untidy and ill kept.
      
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      October 21, 2019 9:29am
    - Tall Man
      
      I used to evict and empty these hovels for a “private investor” many years ago. Nothing has changed except they are now much harder to evict.
      
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      October 21, 2019 11:13am
- MCos
  
  Maybe the price was too high, not necessarily for what they are, but for what people can afford.
  
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  October 21, 2019 9:02am
- Frank Thomas
  
  The so called “housing crisis” was never about the lack of homes for ownership. Labour tried to muddy the waters with their Kiwibuild bullshit.
  It was always about there not being enough rentals for people to get into (and in my opinion not responsible enough to be given a rental, but that’s another story).
  For example in Dargaville you cannot rent a two or three bedroom house for love nor money, there is absolutely nothing available. It’s so bad you have people living in cars down by the Wairoa river desperate to rent anything. You can debate whether these people deserve social housing or not but the fact remains these people and in some cases their children are homeless.
  If you drive through Dargaville you will see plenty of houses for sale, also just out of town there is a new subdivision going up, so no shortage of houses for sale.
  Something doesn’t smell quite right…….
  
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  October 21, 2019 9:41am
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    Oh, we now have a fake housing shortage and affordability crises conspiracy?
    
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    October 21, 2019 10:27am
    - Frank Thomas
      
      Just calling it how I see it mate…….. Have you been to Dargaville lately?
      
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      October 21, 2019 11:09am
      - Tall Man
        
        Downtick for being steffy’s mate.
        
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        October 21, 2019 11:14am
      - Frank Thomas
        
        Sorry, slip of the tongue. My natural default setting is to be polite to people. I must try harder to be a cunt.
        
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        October 21, 2019 12:14pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Good on ya Frank 😉
        
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        October 21, 2019 12:24pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        @frank
        My partner runs a correspondence course if you’re interested?
        
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        October 21, 2019 12:48pm
      - Frank Thomas
        
        No need Maggie, I have plenty of people in my life offering me advice on how to be one. ?
        
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        October 21, 2019 3:18pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Nearly there Frank 😉
        
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        October 21, 2019 5:08pm
- Ed Snack
  
  Too expensive for anyone but an “investor” with $500K deposit maybe ?
  
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  October 21, 2019 10:52am
- John Warren
  
  They can’t sell townhouses and apartments in Christchurch’s East Frame either. For sure, they’re overpriced, but market forces, etc…
  
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  October 21, 2019 11:04am
RW Capitalist

https://www.politico.eu/article/boris-johnson-election-promise-uk/
From the Standard
“As a direct result of the lack of trust by a majority of parliamentarians about how committed Boris supporters are to the process of parliament. They want to see the details of the legislation, debate and pass it before the actual Brexit. Details are the job of MPs.”
They have no self awareness, on the Left.
Read the poll and see that it is the citizens that you work for, not the parliament.
This is why Labour etc don’t want an election, they’d lose….Big time.
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October 21, 2019 8:40am
- RW Capitalist
  
  http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/right_direction_wrong_track_oct14
  and why Trump keeps drawing the big crowds
  Trump has the best numbers for a president since before Obama
  
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  October 21, 2019 8:42am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Amazing really, given his capacity to say dumb things- ok they all do, but some of Trumps are crackers.
    That comment about Mattis has to be one of the worst.
    He’s done so well for the military yet he dumps on one of their heroes.
    Really stupid
    Oh well- still better than having Hillary- who says even dumber things!!!
    
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    October 21, 2019 10:07am
    - stephieboy
      
      All on Red, you can live with stupid remarks ” the chosen one” or “buying Greenland ‘ etc and his recent fiasco over Turkey and Syria?.
      
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      October 21, 2019 10:36am
      - rangitoto
        
        Buying Greenland has been on the US agenda for decades.
        
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        October 21, 2019 12:27pm
    - Tall Man
      
      ardern is also adept at saying stupid things when she isn’t flat out lying yet she still has adoring fans…. cue fuckwit steffy.
      
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      October 21, 2019 11:17am
    - Jules99
      
      Done well for the military, not so well for the taxpaying American citizen who had to pay for it all.
      
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      October 21, 2019 12:07pm
Kabull

A must-watch discussion on the climate nonsense:

“Geologist and earth scientist Ian Plimer says the globe is not facing a climate emergency, telling Sky News that “we are actually still living in an ice age.”
Professor Plimer’s comments come after Extinction Rebellion protesters have been calling on the government to declare a climate emergency – something the scientist said isn’t necessary.
“We live in horribly boring times,” he said.
“We are not in a period of extinction. We’re not living in a period of extraordinary climate – we’re actually living in a benign climate.”
“We are actually still living in an ice age.”

https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6096187901001
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October 21, 2019 8:41am
- Frank Thomas
  
  Hearsay!!!!! Burn witch, burn……
  
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  October 21, 2019 10:46am
Paginus

Multiculturalism doesn’t work. Even after hundreds of years the Catalan people are still not Spanish.
https://news.yahoo.com/general-strike-catalonia-freedom-marchers-head-barcelona-101725960.html
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October 21, 2019 8:44am
- stephieboy
  
  Are Catalans Non Europenans or Africans?
  
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  October 21, 2019 10:50am
- James Stephenson
  
  It’s not really an issue of culture, although it is an issue of identity. Catalans are much more closely related to the French and Italians than they are to the rest of Spain.
  
  There are plenty of other independence movements around Europe, where small historic kingdoms have been subsumed into relatively recent modern nations.
  
  Even Cornwall, that’s been part of England for over a thousand years has an independence campaign. It just seems that Madrid has a spectacular inability to deal with the Catalans without making things worse.
  
  If they’d actually held an official referendum, as Scotland had, I suspect at that point the result would also have been to reject independence…now, I’m not so sure.
  
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  October 21, 2019 12:05pm
  - Kabull
    
    I fail to understand how these small regions like Catalonia and Cornwall ever think they can be economically, strategically and politically viable if they go it alone. Ah, that’s right, they will continue to expect their former ‘rulers’ to look after them.
    
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    October 21, 2019 2:46pm
    - James Stephenson
      
      It’s because of the EU, you still don’t have any sovereignty, you just cut out the middleman, so to speak.
      
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      October 21, 2019 4:51pm
  - Paginus
    
    The Scottish people voted for independence, it was only because non-Scottish people were allowed to vote that independence wasn’t successful.
    
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    October 21, 2019 2:59pm
    - James Stephenson
      
      If they’d really wanted independence, they’d have let the English vote on it. Massive majority, no problem!
      
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      October 21, 2019 4:50pm
Yvette

The Guardian, UK, discovers “tree planting”
Tree planting ‘has mind-blowing potential’ to tackle climate crisis
Research shows a trillion trees could be planted to capture huge amount of carbon dioxide.
Pas de merde, Sherlock

Given one hectare allows roughly 1,000 seedlings to be planted, and New Zealand’s entire land area being 268,021 km² – so, multiplied by 100 hectares a square km and 1,000 saplings per hectare, would give 26,802,100,000 trees to cover New Zealand – the whole bloody country.
[Note: Shane’s promised billion trees is therefore about one twenty seventh of our total land mass]

And a trillion, or: 1,000,000,000,000 divided by 26,802,100,000 gives 37.31.
So a trillion trees would require land equivalent to 37.3 times New Zealand’s total area.

And in 28 to 40 years, around Carbon-Free 2050, unless all those trillion trees could be exported to China and used as building materials rather than paper pulp, they will start falling over, rotting, and generally littering up the place – 37.3 New Zealands worth – and re-entering the atmosphere.

Which is what is wrong with a lot of this scientific crap –
they aren’t really thinking about the future.
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October 21, 2019 8:49am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  A couple of recent articles that may interest you on “The Global Tree Restoration Potential”
  
  https://science.sciencemag.org/content/365/6448/76
  
  and a rejoinder:
  https://science.sciencemag.org/content/366/6463/eaay7976
  
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  October 21, 2019 9:36am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Justin Trudeau plans on planting 2 billion trees if he gets back in power
  
  https://globalnews.ca/news/5959824/justin-trudeau-tree-planting/
  
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  October 21, 2019 9:41am
  - sooty
    
    Can he call up Shane for pointers!
    
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    October 21, 2019 10:41am
  - cmm
    
    Translation: He’s going to make 5000 bags of mulch and compost.
    
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    October 21, 2019 1:44pm
- Frank Thomas
  
  No no no, you’ve got it all wrong!!!!
  There is no need to cut the trees down…….Mother Gaia will save us if we just let her rule………sarc/
  
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  October 21, 2019 10:50am
Tony Stuart

Mark Richardson has ripped Winston Peters a new one this morning (apologies for the length, but it’s too good to break up!):

As you all know, I plan on becoming the Prime Minister of this country one day, and the events on Friday regarding the future of this TV channel kind of expedited those plans somewhat.

But then I heard Winston Peters’ comments.

“Good riddance,” he says.

Very classy Winston.

Okay, in fairness to the Right Honourable Mr Peters he did say there were some good people here at Three. I guess those ‘good people’, Mr Peters, must be the ones who don’t challenge you, don’t do their jobs, the ones who you’ve been able to cowardly bully into submission with your constant threat of legal action when challenged.

So in reality, in your eyes, there are very few good people then.

Yes, after hearing your comments, your heartless and classless revelling, Your Right Honourable Sir, I sort of thought, you know what, if this is the type of person I’d have to be to enjoy longevity in politics then I want no part of it.

As a sports person I understand competition, I understand your adversaries’ right to challenge you, to test you, to ask the hard question and from time to time to better you.

I also learned to respect their skill, respect them, to shake hands and move on, to regroup and come back better myself for it.

It would appear your politics lacks this basic human respect.

You know what Winnie, sorry, Your Right Honourable Good Sir Mr Peters, I’d rather endure a Labour-Green government governing alone than another minute of you holding my country selfishly to ransom.

Yeah that Red-Green lot have some hair-brained schemes but at least for the most part they’re good people.

They’re good people with a genuine cause and a desire to help others.

I don’t know if I could say the same about you.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/10/mark-richardson-rips-into-winston-peters-in-scathing-three-sale-rebuttal.html

Kudos to Richardson for calling Peters out on his disgraceful “Good riddance” comment over the weekend. Sure, Peters might have issues with some of the frontline staff at Newshub. But what about all those faceless, anonymous people who work behind the scenes, and now face the prospect of unemployment?

It will be interesting to see if Peters rises to Richardson’s bait. He’s certainly not done himself any favours over the weekend, and the best thing Newshub could do now is send Peters to Coventry.
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October 21, 2019 8:53am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Who knows, if they grow a backbone and aim for slightly right of centre (on a consistant basis), they might find there is a whole new audience out there, just waiting to be serviced.
  
  Newstalk used to be there, but they only have Hosking left.
  
  Magic – part of the TV3 group seems to have staked out the centre right ground, and it seems to be going well for them.
  
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  October 21, 2019 8:56am
  - chaos
    
    You cannot save broadcast tv, it is dying.
    
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    October 21, 2019 9:18am
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      Maybe, but its gotta be worth a try, even if it just kicks the can down the road for a few more years.
      
      Endless Reality TV and lefty “comedians” is a surefire way of cratering.
      
      to be fair, I expect the reality tv drones are all that have kept TV3 alive so far…. never under-estimate the viewing public’s ability to disappoint….Give them more power than the Apollo mission in their pocket, and they will use it to watch cat videos!
      
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      October 21, 2019 10:07am
      - chaos
        
        Endless reality is because it is dirt cheap to buy and they were broke.
        
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        October 21, 2019 12:15pm
    - sooty
      
      Same as print!
      Die MSM Die.
      
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      October 21, 2019 10:42am
- Paulus
  
  Tell me please – if Newshub is not sold and goes into liquidation does that mean that their representative in the Parliamentary Press Gallery – Tova something, will lose her accreditation ?
  Perhaps she will form a new party with JLR so she can stay.
  
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  October 21, 2019 11:15am
- Scooter
  
  Maybe the media putting Winston on a blacklist and refuse to interview or film him from now till the election will teach him a lesson. And a win for all of us.
  
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  October 21, 2019 6:56pm
Maggie Pie

Have you noticed that if you ask someone what LGBTQIA stands for, just how hard it is to get a straight answer?
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October 21, 2019 9:14am
- chaos
  
  So what you are saying is Jacinda, Winston, and all of labour and greens are LGBTQLADEFGHIJKL…..
  
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  October 21, 2019 9:39am
- Fletch
  
  LGTBQ-WTF
  
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  October 21, 2019 10:29am
- Frank Thomas
  
  Fcuk man, I still struggle with LBTQ……
  
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  October 21, 2019 10:55am
  - Frank Thomas
    
    See, I can’t even get that straight….
    
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    October 21, 2019 1:14pm
    - stigie
      
      The problem is getting that straight is that you are straight trying to sort out what those letters mean !~
      
      Does that help ?
      
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      October 21, 2019 1:37pm
      - Frank Thomas
        
        Reminds of that guy that couldn’t spell “AC/DC” live on the radio to win some competition. It’s probably on YouTube somewhere. Classic!
        
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        October 21, 2019 3:25pm
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    I am happy with BLT without the L, who needs greens?
    
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    October 21, 2019 3:32pm
sooty

So will Cindys cabinet meeting be interesting this morning?
Shane saysthat the grinny ninnys light rail my be a pie in the sky!
Who’s taking over from Whinestone, is it Shane?
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October 21, 2019 9:26am
- chaos
  
  No one, they plan to have peters embalmed and keep him running for a few more decades.
  
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  October 21, 2019 9:38am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Isn’t his brain already pickled?…..OH…and his liver.
    Have they made a start?
    
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    October 21, 2019 9:53am
  - Greg Ettridge
    
    Do you mean like Lenin and Ho Chi, the hoards could line up to shuffle pass, I guess It is morbid, but it is fitting for all great state-men, the great problem he is a politically stateless man, there is a clear difference.
    
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    October 21, 2019 10:10am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      No, more like ‘Weekend at Winstons’
      
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      October 21, 2019 3:33pm
chaos

What a complete load of bullshit from a brainless worthless politician

* Associate Health Minister Julie Anne Genter says if National goes into the next election promising tax cuts, it’ll be at the expense of the fight against measles. *

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/10/tax-cuts-would-threaten-fight-against-measles-associate-health-minister-julie-anne-genter.html
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October 21, 2019 9:32am
- RW Capitalist
  
  JAG….question for ya.
  You cancelled tax cuts….and….we still had an outbreak of both measles and meningitis……please explain?
  
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  October 21, 2019 9:51am
  - freethinker
    
    JAG couldn’t explain why she gets wet when it rains, much less understand why.
    
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    October 21, 2019 12:33pm
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  And this is why zealots should never be allowed anywhere near positions of responsibility.
  
  I would have thought Greens saw kids dying off as a positive outcome – good for Gaia and all that!
  
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  October 21, 2019 10:05am
  - sooty
    
    She lost that argument before she even opened her mouth! Stupid bint!
    
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    October 21, 2019 10:45am
- Tricati
  
  I watched her interview with Ryan Bridge on the AM show, and once her usual tactic of not stopping for breath so the interviewer can’t ask any questions wasn’t going to work, she was stuffed and he showed what an absolute muppet she is.
  The woman is a dangerous piece of work, out of her depth and using ideology to drive decisions, not sound policy.
  
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  October 21, 2019 10:21am
  - Frank Thomas
    
    Since when does common sense or sound policy have anything to do with the Greens?
    
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    October 21, 2019 11:15am
  - Tall Man
    
    You watched? Are you a fucking masochist?
    
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    October 21, 2019 11:44am
    - Frank Thomas
      
      Ryan Bridge is actually not too bad as an interviewer for lefty when interviewing in that he doesn’t let people of either political divide fob him of with bullshit answers. JAG was probably unaware of that when agreeing to come on the show. Thought it might be some sort of patsy fluff piece like The Project might do.
      
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      October 21, 2019 1:19pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Yes but… he will still need therapy and counselling I would think 😉
        
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        October 21, 2019 2:28pm
- Swifty
  
  That’s an outright lie.
  
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  October 21, 2019 10:27am
- JibberJabber
  
  The Greens and their voters have a very tenuous grasp on sanity at the best of times and Genter, I suspect, has none at all.
  
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  October 21, 2019 10:45am
- stephieboy
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  chaos, tax cuts have got to be paid somehow, Usually it starts with trimming the health and education budget.
  
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  October 21, 2019 10:53am
  - Swifty
    
    Evidence?
    
    Seems all made up.
    
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    October 21, 2019 11:23am
    - chaos
      
      It is made up, we can save 3 billion straight away by axing the jones bribe fund, axe the bribe money to pacific islands. The next govt can shave a lot of wasted money off the govt books.
      
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      October 21, 2019 12:13pm
      - Swifty
        
        My point exactly.
        
        The wasteful spending from this government is dreadful.
        
        Absolutely appalling.
        
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        October 21, 2019 1:04pm
      - chaos
        
        Yeah, and the morons on the left don’t understand that. The stupid little girl in parliament has said a few times if Simon wants to do this what services is he going to cut to afford it. Simon needs to get up and list all the wasteful spending this govt has done. But alas Trevor would never allow Simon to answer a question from her because it would show how useless she is
        
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        October 21, 2019 3:00pm
RW Capitalist

https://www.national.org.nz/action_on_measles_is_too_little_too_late
“Government’s self-imposed vaccine shortage meant that those who needed to be vaccinated, couldn’t be.”
Not only did they remove the DHB targets on vaccinations, causing a drop off of those vaccinated, they also bought too few vaccines anyway.
Considering we, largely, have a PUBLIC health service, the blame lies entirely at the feet of the govt.
Wonder if they will apologize to the people who caught the measles.
But we should not have been surprised, they handled the meningitis outbreak EXACTLY the same way, except here their were DEATHS involved.
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October 21, 2019 9:50am
Maggie Pie

Another blow for Prince Andrew?

https://twitter.com/DailyMailUK/status/1185977753973202945
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October 21, 2019 10:03am
- Greg Ettridge
  
  Maggie
  Not sure “Blow” is an ideal word in this sticky situation.
  Mum will be thinking of leaving the hapless Randy Andy at home during church services.
  Maybe just leaving him at home permantly.
  Looking like beyond redemption.
  Has anyone asked Meeeegan her opinion on this sordid debauchery?
  
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  October 21, 2019 11:12am
the deity formerly known as nigel6888

Maybe, but its gotta be worth a try, even if it just kicks the can down the road for a few more years.

Endless Reality TV and lefty “comedians” is a surefire way of cratering.

to be fair, I expect the reality tv drones are all that have kept TV3 alive so far…. never under-estimate the viewing public’s ability to disappoint….Give them more power than the Apollo mission in their pocket, and they will use it to watch cat videos!
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October 21, 2019 10:08am
cas

How much would the Hon Winston Raymond Peters get as a pension if he didn’t go past the next election for any reason ( not enough votes, health etc)? I think we should be told.
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October 21, 2019 10:29am
- chaos
  
  Why should you be told, what a private person gets in pension, which he would be if he didn’t stand of get elected is no ones businesss.
  
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  October 21, 2019 12:11pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    His entitlement to the parliamentary pension is easy enought to work out. cas can google it if he really wants to know.
    
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    October 21, 2019 1:54pm
  - Tall Man
    
    But it’s not a “private” pension, we pay for it and the “other” pension the “what’s in it for wynston” over claimed is public knowledge.
    
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    October 21, 2019 2:27pm
Return To Sender

Now they’re using your money to explain how your colonial guilt needs to be purged!

http://nzh.tw/12277203
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October 21, 2019 11:20am
- Kiwi Dave
  
  Expect a great deal of breast beating about colonialism and its effects, real and imaginary, but zero to little in the way of likely solutions to contemporary problems.
  
  This sentence from your link amused: “The decision sparked outrage, particularly among Māori, given the mass bloodshed that followed Cook, and the lasting, detrimental impact on Māori.”
  
  The pre-1840 wars killed many times more than the 1860-70 land wars, but are probably not what’s being referred to here.
  
  The benefits of ending female infanticide, slavery, cannibalism, endemic tribal warfare and all the insecurity of land ownership it created will doubtless be ignored.
  
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  October 21, 2019 1:37pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Two downtickers. Ignorant and cowardly.
    
    Obviously too stupid to post an “argument” to the contrary….. because it’s really hard to deny the truth isn’t it?
    
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    October 21, 2019 2:25pm
  - curry4me
    
    Yoou can bet the farm on that.
    
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    October 22, 2019 12:13am
Tall Man

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/10/wairoa-police-investigating-after-targeted-attacks-on-officer-s-home-station.html

So how’s the buyback scheme going around Wairoa.

Have those “helpful” gangs handed their nasty shooting sticks in yet?
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October 21, 2019 12:04pm
chaos

This stupid gig has lost it, time the speaker asks Peters to provide evidence he is mentally competent to do his job

*Now Peters has bitten back, saying he stands by his “good riddance” comment – and calling out Richardson as “gutless”.

Speaking to media this morning, Peters directly addressed Richardson’s comments and called The AM Show presenter “spineless” and “gutless”.

“I feel like I have been mauled by a lamb,” he said, after asking media after 14 minutes of questions why they hadn’t asked about his comments about MediaWorks.*

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12278324
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October 21, 2019 12:10pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  To be fair to Richardson no one really likes having a go at fractious decrepit old sots you find at the end of the bars in RSAs and pubs around the country trying to inject themselves into conversations and pretend they are relevant or interesting. We prefer to ignore them and let nature take it’s course. Thankfully it appears Winston is rapidly petering out.
  
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  October 21, 2019 3:29pm
- Frank Thomas
  
  Hahahahahahaha………
  
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  October 21, 2019 3:31pm
  - Frank Thomas
    
    Three words. Pot, kettle, black.
    
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    October 21, 2019 3:32pm
chaos

I’m sure when it hits Trump will get the blame for it but I don’t think we actually ever left the last financial crisis and the coming crisis is still part of that.

* The world is “sleepwalking” towards “financial armageddon” after failing to learn the lessons of the global financial crisis (GFC), says the former head of the Bank of England.

Mervyn King, who was in charge of the UK’s equivalent of our Reserve Bank when the GFC hit in 2008, issued the stark warning at the International Monetary Fund’s annual meeting in Washington DC, the Guardian reported. *

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/money/2019/10/world-sleepwalking-towards-another-financial-crisis-former-bank-of-england-boss.html
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October 21, 2019 12:18pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Interestingly, my partner has spent of fair bit of time studying ‘The Protocols of the Elders of Zion’.
  Based on that alone, he says he’s in full agreement with Merv 🙁
  
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  October 21, 2019 1:01pm
- James Stephenson
  
  I see that article ends with the trope that the depression was ended by massive government spending, when it actual fact it only really ended by the reduction in spending that followed the end of the war.
  
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  October 21, 2019 1:24pm
Maggie Pie

HOOTS MON! 😛

https://twitter.com/TheSun/status/1186016013239889920
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October 21, 2019 1:49pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Seems like some common sense might be needed as to when a teacher can physically restrain a violent/destructive pupil.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/401453/restraint-rules-for-teachers-could-be-loosened
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October 21, 2019 2:06pm
- Fletch
  
  Even over 20 years ago, I knew of a teacher ( a friend of the family) who was fired from his job because he pulled one student off another during a fight they were having…..
  
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  October 21, 2019 2:34pm
- chaos
  
  Saw a perfect video the other day
  
  https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/new-video-shows-moment-oregon-school-coach-disarmed-hugged-gun-n1069026
  
  * Newly released surveillance video shows the moment an Oregon school coach disarmed and hugged a shotgun-wielding student, averting a potential tragedy.
  
  Angel Granados-Diaz, 19, is seen on the video walking into the fine arts building of Parkrose High School in Portland with a shotgun hidden under his jacket on May 17, 2019.*
  
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  October 21, 2019 2:36pm
cmm

More completely irresponsible alarmism from Stuff…

Cost of replacing buildings to cost $19 billion…
… if sea levels rise by 1.5 metres by 2100.

Worse yet, they leave out the 1.5 metres thing in their headline to increase the alarmism.

Are these people really journalists? Are they really the “eyes and ears” of the public?

“Worst case” levels from extreme IPCC give up to 1.1 metres by 2100, so talk about 1.5 metres is just absolute fear mongering.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/116737630/cost-to-replace-buildings-affected-by-rising-seas-expected-to-exceed-19-billion
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October 21, 2019 2:18pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  twats. I never read their shit any longer . Just look at the headlines occasionally.
  
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  October 21, 2019 5:59pm
Tall Man

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/401436/cyclists-reaching-speeds-as-fast-as-cars-on-northwestern-cycleway

In Oz there is a limit but cyclists still arrogantly ignore it when they feel like it on the shared footpath. Cyclists would have to among the most arrogant selfish demanding pricks on the road.
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October 21, 2019 2:21pm
- chaos
  
  https://idtxs3.imgix.net/si/20000/F8/E3.jpg?w=800
  
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  October 21, 2019 2:53pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Fuck me you should have had a health warning on that post……………..
    
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    October 21, 2019 4:55pm
    - chaos
      
      Ok
      
      Caution the above link may force your device to shut down, burn out, and not want to live anymore.
      
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      October 21, 2019 6:41pm
  - cut n paster
    
    But you’re so right on the money there. The horror!
    
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    October 21, 2019 6:37pm
- JibberJabber
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfh40Hy8dUs
  
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  October 21, 2019 3:05pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Yep, that was pretty much my conversation with a cyclist in Oz. He found that 100kgs could bring him to instant stop when I grabbed his handle bars.
    
    He said that he rode that fast because he was allowed and it was too dangerous to ride on the road because he had already been knocked of his bike.
    
    He missed the sarcasm when I asked if the driver that hit knew him.
    
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    October 21, 2019 5:01pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Oops.. if you are going to abuse twats not using the cycle lane make sure the are not cops…. LOL
    
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    October 21, 2019 5:58pm
- Surely Knott
  
  Except it’s not a shared footpath in a residential area, it’s a two way cyclepath along a motorway primarily for commuting to the city. And if you look at the picture you’ll see a walker in the wrong lane, and kids across both lanes. If they stayed in the correct lane then a faster cyclist could overtake safely.
  
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  October 21, 2019 4:01pm
  - Tall Man
    
    And yet I clearly stated that it was a shared lane in Oz.
    
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    October 21, 2019 5:02pm
- DILLIGAF
  
  Oh, I dunno….
  Cagers who think cycle lanes are there for parking convenience are pretty selfish.
  same with pricks who think they don’t have to uses their indicators in general, and when crossing cycle lanes in particular.
  
  To be sure there are monumental dickheads on both sides giving each group a bad name but you can take some comfort in the fact that your mate Darwin is more likely to pay the pedal pusher a visit…:)
  
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  October 21, 2019 5:29pm
Kabull

The scaremongering is made even worse by the failure to properly recognise what is natural erosion and what is cause by ‘climate change’. The erosion at the mouth of the Waikato is not unique – rivers change their paths to the sea constantly, particularly where the underlying soil is sand or alluvial despoit. Also remember vast areas of the east coast the UK have been lost to erosion over the past centuries. I don’t see anyone claiming that is because of climate change. These idiots need to acknowledge that just as the sun has a major impact on climate and temperatures, so to the weather (not the climate) has a major impact on the rate of erosion – and accretion – around the coast. Oh, sorry – that wouldn’t fit the specified theme …
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October 21, 2019 2:43pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Historical context for change is very important. When you travel around the Mediterranean to places like Ephesus and Pisa you cities find historical ports now many km from the sea.
  
  long term sea level has risen and fallen something like 20m cumulative in the last 6000 years. That means it’s had an average rate of rise and fall larger than now.
  https://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/compton-2001-holocene-sea-levels.jpg
  
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  October 21, 2019 4:45pm
chaos

Threats already from the left, sad

* A group of Wellington councillors have delivered Mayor Andy Foster an ultimatum: choose our deputy … or else.

Multiple Wellington City Council sources have confirmed the group of councillors approached Foster last week under the understanding he was favouring Nicola Young or Diane Calvert for the deputy role.

Both are considered politically centre-right while a majority of the new council is either Green, Labour or otherwise left-leaning.*

https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/116746106/the-foster-ultimatum-choose-a-leftleaning-deputy-or-else
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October 21, 2019 3:27pm
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  Well, all he has to do is go public with the ultimatum, appoint whoever he damn well wants to, and every time the left leaning idiots stall any legislation, remind the electorate just who is dragging the chain and why.
  
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  October 21, 2019 3:46pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    He needs to tell them to go f**k themselves right now or his mayoralty will be forever blighted by lefty blackmailers.
    
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    October 21, 2019 4:14pm
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      It’s not like he needs a majority of councillors to support him, is it? The mayor has the right to implement what he wants, amiright?
      
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      October 21, 2019 4:38pm
    - Swifty
      
      Yep.
      
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      October 21, 2019 5:03pm
- niggly
  
  Foster should appoint the Councillor with the most votes as his deputy – that would be fair (and if it’s a centre-right councilor then the left just need to let it go – ffs they work for the city’s citizens not their Political Parties)!
  
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  October 21, 2019 4:40pm
- DigNap15
  
  This is the problem the local body elections did not go right in most councils.
  Labour and the Greens were still there
  
  This is amazing with all the news about bus lanes, cycle lanes, no roads etc.
  
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  October 21, 2019 4:41pm
chaos

This is getting ridiculous. WTF is happening in resthomes.

* A rest home failed to care for a woman’s wounds and when she was taken to hospital a nurse discovered maggots in her leg and foot.

Soon afterwards the 71-year-old died from sepsis related to her infected ulcers.

Deputy Health and Disability Commissioner Rose Wall released a report on the distressing case today, noting the woman’s wounds “were allowed to progress to such a degree that they were significantly infected and some had maggots”.*

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12278414
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October 21, 2019 3:36pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Assuming owners units, rather than in-house care, dead residents are good for cashflow. Their death facilitate units being turned over more quickly, thereby allowing the aged care facility to realise their share of the capital gain.
  
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  October 21, 2019 4:05pm
  - Komata
    
    KK@1605
    
    Re: ‘Their death facilitate units being turned over more quickly, thereby allowing the aged care facility to realise their share of the capital gain.’
    
    I have it on good authority that retirement villages have an average occupancy rate of seven years per unit (ie, from the ‘Leasees arrival until their death) and work on that premise when budgetting / building etc.
    
    There’s money to be made in such situations…
    
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    October 21, 2019 8:51pm
mikenmildagain

I didn’t realise that psychological projection was hereditary.
Eric Trump: “Why is it that every family goes into politics and enriches themselves?”
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October 21, 2019 4:25pm
- Tall Man
  
  And yet like Sir John Key he does not take a salary. ardern seems to be also going through an enrichment process and she must qualify as one of the highest salary earners to ever take paid parental leave.
  
  One day mikey, you may get over your envy of others who are more successful….. probably better looking as well… even with the ginga hair.
  
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  October 21, 2019 4:51pm
chaos

Some commonsense, the PC rubbish has got out of hand. I sometimes wonder if Billy T James was alive today if he would be shouted down.

* Simon Bridges is taking a crack at “political correctness”, opening up about his belief that New Zealanders need to be able to “say what they think”.

The National Party leader told Magic Talk he wants to “make sure that people can say what they think even where it’s a bit un-PC [politically correct]”.

“I think we’ve got a situation through education and the media – certain parts of the media – there’s things that are off-limits in New Zealand that we’re not allowed to talk about, and I think that’s not healthy.”*

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/10/bugger-the-pc-brigade-simon-bridges-takes-crack-at-political-correctness.html
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October 21, 2019 4:44pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Personally, I had no reason to disagree with Bridges when he described one of his MPs as “f…ing useless”. Refreshing honesty – we need more of it.
  
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  October 21, 2019 5:10pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Did it remind you of your last personal review?
    
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    October 21, 2019 6:28pm
  - MrTips
    
    Yep and one does not disagree with the common belief that not one, but ALL of the CoL MPs are fucking useless. Fucking useless MPs do no service at all, but an entire govt is a bit much.
    
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    October 21, 2019 7:37pm
Happychappy

What would Winston Peter’s have apart from realizing his own Party is full of useless pricks that would not be able to do half the job or have nous of Paul Goldsmith.Winstone needs to school his own MP’s before pointing out who should do what in National.
https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/mike-hosking-breakfast/audio/winston-peters-takes-aim-at-national-mps-defends-volunteer-policy/
Winston is a leech and corrupt in many voters minds and always likes to call others out before looking at his own record which is riddled with lies and deceit so his best bet would be to clean his own act up before bleating about others.
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October 21, 2019 5:12pm
Hugh Pavletich

NEW ZEALAND …

Less tenant and investor demand for commercial property signalled, bank report … Marta Steeman … Stuff NZ

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/116739000/less-tenant-and-investor-demand-for-commercial-property-signalled-bank-report

Commercial property owners should brace for less demand from investors and tenants as the economy slows.

Westpac’s “Economic Insight” on the commercial property market also warned that this coming year some low vacancy rates might rise and rent increases could be constrained.

Commercial property had had a solid run in recent years and the two drivers were primarily the strength of tenant demand for space and investor appetite for properties, Westpac senior economist Satish Ranchhod said.

The key question was the extent of the economic downturn. Westpac expected it to be moderate but the risks for it to be greater had increased. … read more via hyperlink above …
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October 21, 2019 5:22pm
rightoverlabour

I can’t cope with all this Global Warming.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/116750381/a-week-of-stormy-weather-before-labour-weekend-warmth
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October 21, 2019 5:41pm
- Tall Man
  
  As I sit having a wee short outside…. I say “bring it on”….
  
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  October 21, 2019 6:26pm
- Frank Thomas
  
  Mate, you’re not going to go all Greta on us are you?
  
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  October 21, 2019 7:27pm
Swifty

Father claims sex with daughter was incest not rape

https://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/news/116737679/man-on-trial-after-pleading-not-guilty-to-rape-of-teen-daughter

Scumbag.
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October 21, 2019 6:46pm
- sooty
  
  I am a dirt bag, just not that bad a dirt bag!
  
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  October 21, 2019 8:52pm
- Tall Man
  
  And some of you wonder about the point of a ball peen hammer….
  
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  October 21, 2019 8:58pm
Nostradamus

Why climate change is good for baseball:

Researchers from the University of Michigan suggested the changing climate around the Mediterranean might be reducing the quality of cork that makes baseballs. The outcome? More home runs.
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October 21, 2019 6:50pm
- Tall Man
  
  Woo hoo…. big wacks.
  
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  October 21, 2019 8:52pm
Jack5

Radio NZ has become so Maorified, it’s debatably treasonous.

Have a listen to the following item on the Radio NZ site. It calls for “decolonisation”.

It talks of pre-Western settlement days when Maori had their own “science and medicine” that “worked for us” and laments that New Zealand’s education, justice, political, and health systems were imported.

Your tax money goes into producing this sort of crap. It began in earnest with the Maori takeover of Radio NZ orchestrated by Wily Willie Jackson, a Labour MP – but National was in power at the time and looked the other way.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/401486/watch-what-s-decolonisation
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October 21, 2019 7:04pm
chaos

* It was a Labour election promise; light rail from central Auckland to the airport by 2021.

But you can already shuffle that promise back, by a few years.

The minister in charge is Phil Twyford. Remember those false Kiwibuild promises that lost him the housing portfolio?*

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/10/government-delays-labour-election-promise-of-light-rail-from-central-auckland-to-airport.html
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October 21, 2019 7:23pm
Brian McDonald

No extradition for dirt on Biden – what a coincidence. Of Giuliani he wasn’t working for the Government so it doesn’t matter. The Don will be on the prunes soon for a big dump on his old mate.

https://nz.yahoo.com/news/win-giuliani-help-oligarch-allies-195419481.html
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October 21, 2019 8:01pm
Jack5

Cited as one of the examples in a report of new curtailments on NZ prisoners’ mail rights:

… “snowflake”, a derogatory term used to describe left-wingers sic.

A reflection of the Leftist push to curtail free speech? Certainly an example of how widely they are trying to define “hate speech”.

With “snowflake” included you have to wonder whether the obviously Leftist Corbynist recruited from Britain to run the Human Rights Commission was asked for input.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12278377
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October 21, 2019 8:46pm
chaos

What a load of horse pooh

* Jacinda Ardern would ‘absolutely own’ US President Donald Trump in a debate – author*

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/10/jacinda-ardern-would-absolutely-own-us-president-donald-trump-in-debate-author.html
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October 21, 2019 8:50pm
chaos

Hmmmm, wonder whose controlling Peters meds

* Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters has offered political support to Three following his scathing comments about the sale of MediaWorks’ TV arm.

Appearing on Monday’s episode of The Project, the New Zealand First leader reiterated he is “seriously sorry” about his comments at the party’s annual convention in Christchurch on Saturday, which included a harsh “good riddance” to certain MediaWorks staff.

Peters changed his tune on Monday, offering his apologies to the “husbands, wives and children” included in the 520 jobs on the line following Friday’s sale announcement. *

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/10/winston-peters-offers-political-support-to-mediaworks-tv.html
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