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peterwn

There is a third strike sentencing coming up soon. Prisoner would be transported from Auckland to Wellington for sentencing on attempted murder of another prisoner at Rimutaka. He faces 14 years non-parole (unless ‘manifestly unjust’). Prosecution also wants Preventative Detention and a 14 year minimum would be required in this case because it is a ‘strike 3’ matter. Prisoner has applied to be sentenced by AV link which would save a lot of hassle. However the Judge requires him to face the music in person.

Significant crimes were:
1. 2003 – life for murder of stepfather (before three strikes)
2. 2014 – conviction for wounding with intent to cause grievous bodily harm (also on a fellow prisoner) – Strike 1
3. 2016 – attempted murder of another inmate – Strike 2 – Preventative Detention
4. 2019 – attempted murder of another inmate – Strike 3 (prospective sentence as above)

See:
https://forms.justice.govt.nz/search/Documents/pdf/jdo/63/alfresco/service/api/node/content/workspace/SpacesStore/7a459730-1363-48b4-9b61-27ef1dbacf84/7a459730-1363-48b4-9b61-27ef1dbacf84.pdf

Where the judge rules that he requires the inmate’s attendance. The tone of that decision seems to suggest that the Judge would not regard anything ‘manifestly unjust’ about imposing the maximum of 14 years without parole if Preventative Detention is not ordered.

This is very grim. For the safety of society especially prison staff and other prisoners it seems he needs to be kept in SuperMax conditions for life.

This also shows that judges must impose a ‘strike’ as soon as practicable. If a ‘strike’ is pending but not delivered to the prisoner, for a subsequent crime (eg against a prisoner or prison officer) sentencing has to occur ignoring that strike.
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October 20, 2019 8:01am
- atomic drop
  
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  “life for murder of stepfather”
  
  Surprise, surprise, another boy raised in a broken home.
  
  Thanks, boomers!
  
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  October 20, 2019 8:33am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    I know of many step-parents who do a better job than the biological parent and are dearly loved by the kids and the adults they become.
    
    It’s just not that simple.
    
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    October 20, 2019 9:33am
    - The King
      
      No you don’t, you’ve never asked the kids how they felt about it.
      
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      October 20, 2019 1:27pm
      - Classic Liberal
        
        I am one, actually. Fond of my biological parents but also fond of my stepparents they married. I was loved by and learned useful things from all of them.
        
        And I know many others.
        
        Answers are not as black and white as you seem to think.
        
        Pretty ‘offensive’ of you to be telling me what I have seen and experienced is false, but I’m no snowflake, so keep showing up your stupid extremism.
        
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        October 20, 2019 2:00pm
    - Steve James
      
      Bullshit, you do Classic. Mental health facilities are overrun by children and now adults brought up by step parents and single mothers.
      I know. Been there, done that.
      
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      October 20, 2019 5:03pm
  - Wangas Feral
    
    BTFO. I didn’t vote for generational welfare.
    
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    October 20, 2019 9:41am
    - The King
      
      Yeah you did, it was around the time you were smoking weed listening to the rolling stones, not giving a fuck about the shitty policies being introduced while you were high on the flower loving revolution, which by the way was encouraged and led by a certain [religious group].
      
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      October 20, 2019 1:25pm
      - IC5000
        
        Do you realise DPF is Jewish?
        
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        October 20, 2019 2:52pm
    - Classic Liberal
      
      I’m sick of this ‘king’ troll trying to ruin this site with his antisemitic slurs.
      
      Even if you allow his free speech, could at least something be added about KB not condoning antisemitic slurs? Clearly he is really some asshole trying make KB one of the first victims of the kind of ‘hate speech’ laws that the left authoritarians want.
      
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      October 20, 2019 2:07pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Many of us were raised in broken homes but, unlike you, we elect to not be a fuckwit.
    
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    October 20, 2019 10:40am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Well, my parents split up but created very good and stable homes with decent stepparents. I wouldn’t call it ‘broken homes’ in that case.
      
      I think it’s got more to do with good decent people, even if they can’t live together anymore, fulfilling their duties as parents and only choosing decent stepparents.
      
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      October 20, 2019 2:12pm
  - Overworked
    
    Thanks boomers? Step-parents have been a feature of human families for as long as there are records.
    
    Your posts are frequently silly, but this one borders on being unhinged.
    
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    October 20, 2019 3:14pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  The fact that he’s ALREADY serving a sentence of preventive detention must surely mitigate any “manifestly unjust” argument.
  
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  October 20, 2019 8:38am
  - peterwn
    
    The nature of the crime would be an important consideration whether ‘manifestly unjust’ applies for instance if the crime is at the low end of the three strikes crimes ‘manifestly unjust’ could apply. Admittedly in this case the crime is at the very high end. If he had succeeded with the murder at Rimutaka Prison this guy would clearly have the criteria for LWOP as indicated in David Garrett’s third reading speech.
    
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    October 20, 2019 9:09am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Speaking of crimes.
      How is your ‘prosecution’ against the BFD for the ‘criminal’ act of using their rights under their Blog Membership of Disqus to ban you?
      Hand cuffs out yet?
      Lol
      
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      October 20, 2019 10:23am
      - peterwn
        
        Unlawful access of a computer system to wit Disqus (the Whaleoil portal) which lawfully belongs to the liquidators or Matt Bloomfield.
        This is a matter for the liquidators or Matt, not me.
        
        Proudly banned from TheBFD when I dod not even making an offending comment there. Saves me the bother of having to decide whether to take out a sub.
        
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        October 20, 2019 1:13pm
- Ruahine
  
  The name of this criminal is.
  
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  October 20, 2019 8:40am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    peterwn’s link is to Stephen Williams who killed his step-daughter Coral Burrows and has a history of attacking fellow inmates.
    
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    October 20, 2019 8:57am
    - JibberJabber
      
      Williams has stated previously that he intends/deserves to stay in jail for the rest of his life for murdering his step-daughter.
      This is the only way he can keep that promise, at least he is not harming anymore innocent members of the public.
      Maybe they should bunk him with Tarrant, 2 birds 1 stone.
      
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      October 20, 2019 10:08am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    My poor editing here team, apologies
    
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    October 20, 2019 9:28am
- Maggie Pie
  
  My partner just read this post. He reckons there’s loikely to be a few other inmates pooing themselves. Good job.
  
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  October 20, 2019 9:03am
- Wangas Feral
  
  I think you will find that Stephen Williams was given life for murder of his step-daughter Coral Burrows. Not his step-father.
  
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  October 20, 2019 9:42am
- dog_eat_dog
  
  There’s an underlying tone in that ruling; hints of a judge considering any procedural challenge to the likely outcome.
  
  “This is so that justice can not only be done, but can be seen to be done. ” Relevant for the public interest, but also relevant for preserving the integrity of a ruling that could be later challenged by someone who is prepared to remove themselves from the process and may try to claim they have been shafted at a later date.
  
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  October 20, 2019 10:07am
  - peterwn
    
    Excellent point. These guys often try for a second bite at the cherry.
    Assuming he gets preventative detention with 14 years minimum as far as I can see he will not even meet with the Parole Board until 2033 (the 14 years would start from when he was taken into custody for the attempted murder ie immediately afterwards).
    If he attempts to murder another prisoner presumably the clock will again start ticking for 14 years from that time.
    
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    October 20, 2019 1:30pm
- peterwn
  
  oops – stepdaughter, not stepfather as someone else has kindly pointed out. My apologies.
  
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  October 20, 2019 1:25pm
lilman

Still like Barrett at first five.
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October 20, 2019 8:05am
- Tony Stuart
  
  I like the flexibility of the dual playmaker strategy.
  
  But it was the All Black forwards who laid the platform last night for the backs. Those who suggested Read’s best days were in the past spoke prematurely, Joe Moody had possibly his best match as an All Black, and Ardie Savea was simply Ardie Savea.
  
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  October 20, 2019 8:40am
  - Colville
    
    A bit of a worry that our replacement props are a level below the first stringers but the starting pack are looking great.
    Guzzler will be better for a good run and we will need him on song against the Poms.
    Matt Todd will be wondering WTF! … totally unjust from Owens ..
    But a great game.
    Schmidt will be wondering what he could have done differently!
    
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    October 20, 2019 8:52am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Owens just wanted to get a card out of his pocket
      
      How many neck rolls from the green team did he ignore?
      
      Magnificent performance from the All Blacks, the Australians deserve to go home after that sub par effort.
      
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      October 20, 2019 9:34am
    - Tall Man
      
      “Schmidt will be wondering what he could have done differently”
      
      Coached a different team…..
      
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      October 20, 2019 10:42am
    - trout
      
      The second stringers also both gave away clumsy penalties after they came on. This is a repeat of indiretions in previous tests. All brawn and no brains. Could prove costly against the English.
      re Barrett at fullback; who else in the world can be trusted to take high kicks and run the ball back so effectively? Leave him where he is.
      
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      October 20, 2019 11:13am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        I’ve just heard that Beauden Barrett had more carries of the ball last night than any All Black in a World Cup match previously. He was superb in giving the backs impetus on the counter-attack. Sevu Reece is a special talent, and was popping up everywhere last night, as well as tackiling players much larger than himself. And we’ve already seen how handy George Bridge is.
        
        Even though we will lose a few players after this World Cup, the bones are there for a terrific All Black team for the next World Cup cycle.
        
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        October 20, 2019 12:36pm
  - pdm
    
    Ardie Savea is the most improved rugby player in NZ in 2019.
    
    Last year it was Mo’unga this year Savea.
    
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    October 20, 2019 9:58am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Savea is my pick for World Rugby Player of the Year. He showed glimpses last season when elevated to the starting side, but this season is a fantastic all-round player with outstanding skills.
      
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      October 20, 2019 12:38pm
  - SGA
    
    “Ardie Savea was simply Ardie Savea”
    
    I too thought he had a great game.
    
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    October 20, 2019 11:08am
  - Right of way is Way of Right
    
    That forward pack was the reason Aaron Smith had his best ever game in an All Black jersey last night!
    
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    October 20, 2019 12:24pm
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Yep. I have been critical of Smith at times, but playing behind a dominant pack last night, he completely played Connor Murray out of the game.
      
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      October 20, 2019 12:39pm
    - suzieq
      
      He said having his partner Tegan and new son in the stands were his motivation. Great game. Maybe should have been MOTM.
      
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      October 20, 2019 6:35pm
- pdm
  
  Nah – Mo’unga at 10 and goalkicking. Easily the best at both in NZ.
  
  Also a top cover defender.
  
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  October 20, 2019 9:56am
JibberJabber

ABs vs IRE
Like Mike Tyson sez, “everyones` got a plan til` they get a punch in the mouth”.
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October 20, 2019 8:07am
The Proper Ghandi

So the Irish ‘disrespected the haka’? Why the f*** should anyone be forced to respect a group of plonkers dancing around hissing and poking their tongues out at them? You earn respect and this is not a cultural exchange. The arrogance of the ABs and many fans is astounding. The Irish fans have every right to counter whatever the ABs are doing, before or during the game.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12278025
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October 20, 2019 8:08am
- sooty
  
  I just wish they had done some morris dancing or put on some tutus and danced or at least turned their backs!
  
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  October 20, 2019 8:33am
  - DigNap15
    
    Or set up an imitation machine gun nest!
    I have always disliked the haka.
    When Buck Shelford led it it was fun and OK.
    But now with those really agressive throat cutting moves I despise it.
    And I never watch the All Blacks
    
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    October 20, 2019 9:40am
  - pb
    
    They should have whipped out their catholic irish roots and raised the cross to ward off the pagan chanting.
    
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    October 20, 2019 9:51am
    - kowtow
      
      Unlike association football in Ireland the IRFU represents the game in the whole of the island and all “traditions”.
      
      “In Dublin, a largely unionist city in 1915, the president of the Irish Rugby Football Union, FH Browning, appealed for recruits. Some 220 athletic young Irishmen signed up at Lansdowne Road and became “D” Company, 7th Battalion, Royal Dublin Fusiliers. “The people who went into ‘D’ Company were from the better private schools from the southside of Dublin and all over the country,” says Joye.
      
      The members of “D” Company came from all over Ireland and from all religious denominations.”
      
      https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/stage/the-dublin-pals-who-set-off-for-gallipoli-s-killing-fields-1.2093915
      
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      October 20, 2019 12:56pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  The unnamed author of that piece of clickbait does not represent the views of the All Blacks or the vast majority of supporters. It’s nothing more that tabloid journalism from the Herald; who’d have ever thunk it?
  
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  October 20, 2019 8:37am
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    I don’t care if it is just one fan kicking up a stink – they are not entitled to do so.
    
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    October 20, 2019 8:38am
    - chaos
      
      Awwww you sound butt hurt, perhaps you are Irish
      
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      October 20, 2019 8:51am
      - The Proper Ghandi
        
        chaos
        Not at all, I couldn’t care less. The last world cup I was genuinely interested in was 1995. I just think it’s lame when people get offended when other teams don’t bend over and spread their cheeks whenever the ABs pull out their ludicrous ritual.
        
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        October 20, 2019 9:02am
      - sooty
        
        That’s an idea, brown eye the haka!
        
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        October 20, 2019 9:23am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      TPG; oh yes are!
      
      I am offended that you are offended that someone else has taken offence about having an opinion other than yours.
      
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      October 20, 2019 9:36am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        12.27
        
        Moderation since 9.36
        
        Even Owens made decisions faster than you guys
        
        Pathetic
        
        [Mod: Sorry – just got home from church after thanking the Good Lord for the All Blacks]
        
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        October 20, 2019 12:27pm
  - The King
    
    “respect my silly dance it’s culture” t. the eternal (not even Maori) NZ White affluent male
    
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    October 20, 2019 1:33pm
- Littletramp
  
  I’ve always thought that an appropriate reply to facing a haka would be to politely applaud, and then turn and run into position.
  
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  October 20, 2019 9:20am
- Brian McDonald
  
  For somebody who couldn’t care less you seem awfully bothered.
  
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  October 20, 2019 9:38am
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    Brian
    Read the exchange: ‘chaos’ is suggesting I am ‘butt hurt’ by the result. I reiterate that I couldn’t care less about the result, which is irrelevant to my point.
    
    That is, I am referring to the overwrought insecurities of those who bleat about teams disrespecting the war dance. These two points are unrelated.
    
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    October 20, 2019 10:15am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      The bleating has come from one unnamed woke journalist. As a diehard All Black fan, I had chills as the singing and haka were going on simultaneously. Had I not got ill a couple of years ago, I would have been in the stadium.
      
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      October 20, 2019 12:43pm
- Wangas Feral
  
  I agree. They can respond however they like. I still like it though.
  
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  October 20, 2019 9:43am
- rightoverlabour
  
  I love it that everyone in the world “HAS” to respect the Haka. Look, I’ll admit, I am not a New Zealander, so that may have something to do with it, but when the Haka is done at funerals and Powhiris, absolutely I “Respect” it, but its a sporting event and I can’t see the big deal in this situation if the others don’t “respect” it.
  
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  October 20, 2019 10:17am
- Tall Man
  
  Let it go man.
  
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  October 20, 2019 10:43am
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  Well, it really worked for Ireland, didn’t it….
  
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  October 20, 2019 12:25pm
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Now Giuliani is totally compromised, and the evidence is mounting that Trump is unfit to govern, we’re likely to see moves to remove Trump under the 25th Amendment.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/rudy-giuliani-weak-link-trump-ukraine-scandal-2019-10
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October 20, 2019 8:08am
- atomic drop
  
  LOL, I’ve loss track of all the hit jobs that have blown up in the swamp creatures faces.
  
  #MAGA!
  
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  October 20, 2019 8:35am
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  So, Joe Biden threatens to withhold $600,000,000 (?) from the Ukraine government if they don’t immediately cease an investigation into Biden and son Hunter Biden’s corruption, Trump later asks them to reopen the closed investigation, and somehow it is Trump who is at fault? Discuss…
  
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  October 20, 2019 8:36am
  - Brian McDonald
    
    You’re giving Trump’s version of what he wanted found as a ‘favour.’
    
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    October 20, 2019 9:08am
    - Littletramp
      
      You are attempting the “Clinton” trick of parsing words. If the transcript is verbatim, Trump used the term simply as a colloquial phrase, not in the mafia terminology of a favour as you are suggesting.
      
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      October 20, 2019 9:24am
    - The Proper Ghandi
      
      I’d say that a $600m favour – that was actually performed – is of more concern than Trump simply asking for the quid pro quo of that favour (i.e. a stymied investigation) to be reversed.
      
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      October 20, 2019 9:32am
    - All_on_Red
      
      1. There’s video of Biden telling the story how he got the Prosecutor (Shokin) fired.
      You should watch it.
      2. Read the Transcript of the call. Biden is mentioned as an afterthought. Trumps focus is really of Crowdstrike and the DNC.
      The reference to a favour is about Crowdstrike not Biden.
      The favour is the Para at the top of page 3,of the Transcript
      https://www.scribd.com/document/427409665/Ukraine-Call-Transcript
      
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      October 20, 2019 10:16am
      - Brian McDonald
        
        “I heard you had a prosecutor who was very good and that he was shut down and that’s really unfair.”
        
        Really? Trump’s compassionate side was driving all this.
        
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        October 20, 2019 12:13pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        The funny thing is that is makes no difference if Joe Biden was involved in some corrupt dealing with Ukraine (which he wasn’t).
        Trump requested the Ukraine government to act to help him against a domestic political opponent.
        
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        October 20, 2019 12:24pm
    - lilman
      
      The Favour comment is bullshit,it never was said.
      Just a Dem putting his VERSION on record.
      
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      October 20, 2019 10:26am
    - Ed Snack
      
      Yep, the “favour” is mentioned about the Crowdstrike server, and it isn’t clear, but for those knowledgeable about the story it does seem that Trump is mentioning that he wants an investigation into Dmitri Alperovitch and Crowdstrike with regard to the server than just the server. That’s most definitely a 2016 issue, and the real discoverable would be to find if Guccifer2 was a Crowdstrike creation (which is likely given that he operated from a US Timezone). If he was, then the whole “Russian Collusion” narrative implodes even more than it has already.
      
      The investigation into Burisma is only mentioned Much later in the call and it would seem unconnected to the “favour”. And Burisma is another 2016 corruption issue. We know that State Department was expressing concerns about Hunter Biden’s position, it would certainly be legitimate to ask about a case with significant evidence for combined US/Ukrainian corruption from 3 years ago.
      
      I don’t think there is any other obvious interpretation of what Trump wanted as a favour given the transcript, but one can certainly invent any number of conspiracy theories if one is so inclined.
      
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      October 20, 2019 11:08am
    - kloyd0306
      
      Try using your own brain instead of being told what to think by TV1, TV3, Stuff, Herald – who all get their feeds from the NY Times and Washington Post.
      
      Trump is doing what Meuller failed to do – find out what meddling was present in the 2016 election.
      
      The buck stops at Obama, who knew everything that Biden was doing and what was going on including the FISA spying.
      
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      October 20, 2019 11:31am
  - Fletch
    
    They questioned Joe Biden on the debate the other day about the Ukraine etc, and he responded, “Look, my son did nothing wrong. I did nothing wrong. I carried out the policy of the United States government in rooting out corruption in Ukraine. That’s what we should be focusing on.”
    
    Um, which is exactly was Trump was doing in his call with the Ukraine. ps, you may or may not remember this article from Politico (a very left-wing, anti-Trump media outlet) from January where they discuss the Ukraine’s helping Hillary and the DNC and to sabotage Trump.
    
    Donald Trump wasn’t the only presidential candidate whose campaign was boosted by officials of a former Soviet bloc country.
    
    Ukrainian government officials tried to help Hillary Clinton and undermine Trump by publicly questioning his fitness for office. They also disseminated documents implicating a top Trump aide in corruption and suggested they were investigating the matter, only to back away after the election. And they helped Clinton’s allies research damaging information on Trump and his advisers, a Politico investigation found.
    
    https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446
    
    And it is wrong for Trump to want Ukraine’s help, and the help of their new preisdent, to look into all this?
    
    Also, a Schiff staffer flew to the Ukraine in August to meet with a someone the Dems want to use as a witness for impeachment.
    
    Itinerary for a trip to Ukraine in August organized by the Atlantic Council think tank reveals that a staffer on Rep. Adam Schiff’s House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence held a meeting during the trip with acting U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Bill Taylor, now a key witness for Democrats pursuing impeachment.
    The Atlantic Council is funded by and works in partnership with Burisma, the natural gas company at the center of allegations regarding Joe Biden and his son, Hunter Biden.
    
    Taylor has been called by House Democrats to appear next week to provide a deposition as part of the investigation being led by Schiff into President Trump’s phone call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky.
    
    Taylor himself has evidenced a close relationship with the Burisma-funded Atlantic Council, writing analysis pieces published on the Council’s website and serving as a featured speaker for the organization’s events. He also served for nine years as senior advisor to the U.S.-Ukraine Business Council, which has co-hosted scores of events with the Atlantic Council.
    
    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/10/17/document-adam-schiff-staffer-met-impeachment-witness-ukraine-trip/
    
    The whole thing is a setup.
    
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    October 20, 2019 9:40am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      It all stinks.
      Now that Hillary has put her head up again she will be a target too.
      
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      October 20, 2019 12:58pm
- Inandout
  
  MW, the Dems and Clinton are rudderless idiots, now accusing the Democrat Tulsi Gabbard as being a ‘Russian Asset’ because she dared question some of the Dem’s statements.
  
  “It’s now clear that this primary is between you and me,” Gabbard tweeted about Clinton. “Don’t cowardly hide behind your proxies. Join the race directly.”
  
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  October 20, 2019 9:20am
- Brian McDonald
  
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  You’re right Monique as others will see when they get their heads out of the sand. The crazy thing is Trump didn’t need to do any of this stuff, but a life time habit of stiffing people and maybe a mental health issue as to his own importance seems to have got the better of him.
  
  From your link:
  “In many ways, Yovanovitch is the central thread in the Giuliani-Ukraine scandal. She was abruptly recalled from her position in May after a tumultuous stint that included frequent clashes with Giuliani.
  
  Their main disagreement stemmed from her refusal to facilitate the former New York mayor’s efforts to use official channels to push the Ukrainian government to dig up damaging information on the Bidens. Yovanovitch was also opposed to Yuriy Lutsenko, then the Ukrainian prosecutor general who was in cahoots with Giuliani.”
  
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  October 20, 2019 9:25am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Lol
    Yovanovitch is in the shit for ordering surveillance on US citizens.
    She’s also actively blocked any investigation into the Bidens as far back in 2016.
    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/10/14/judicial-watch-reveals-surveillance-targets-requested-by-u-s-ambassador-yovanovitch-and-state-department-but-bigger-question-is-missing/?like_comment=7452708
    
    Trumps done nothing wrong. But the lid is really being lifted on the events tying the DNC, the Obama Govt to Ukraine and meddling in the 2016 Campaign and Election.
    Good. (As predicted )
    Oh and here’s a comment from Congressman Lee Zeldin who sits on the ‘inquiry’ Meetings.
    ‘I’ve sat through EVERY interview so far of this so called “impeachment inquiry” & the President hasn’t done anything to possibly impeach him for.
    
    NOTHING.’
    
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    October 20, 2019 9:48am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Couple of more things
      Guiliani was looking into Ukraine before Biden declared he was running.
      ‘In a statement after this report was first published, Giuliani said the details were gathered before Biden announced his presidential run and the allegations were brought to him.’
      https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ukraine-prosecutor-biden-burisma-back-off-state-department-files
      
      Also the Ukrainians weren’t aware the shipment was on hold until weeks after the phone call and iirc after the shipment had been actually delivered.
      
      Shokin, the Prosecutor who was fired’ is actually the ‘good guy’.
      The thing is, I don’t think Joe Biden did anything illegal. But it’s certainly corrupt.
      
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      October 20, 2019 10:04am
      - Ed Snack
        
        There’s also the evidence given by US officials that the pressure to fire Shokin wasn’t from Europe at all, but from the US pressuring the Europeans to do so to support the US (read Biden).
        
        The case that Biden was being irredeemably corrupt looks pretty strong.
        
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        October 20, 2019 11:10am
      - stephieboy
        
        It is all very simple,
        
        The phone call that could get Trump impeached
        
        Trump’s call with Ukraine, explained.
        
        “..This phone call started as a routine conversation between world leaders. Trump was calling Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, whose party had just won the parliamentary election. But things took a turn when Trump asked Zelensky for a few favors. Most notably, he wanted Zelensky to dig up dirt on former Vice President Joe Biden, who is the leading candidate to challenge Trump in the 2020 election.
        
        Simple enough.
        
        But things get complicated when we dig into what Trump wants Zelensky to investigate — because it has to do with a conspiracy theory Trump has peddled.
        
        The theory is that, when Biden was vice president, he pushed to get Ukrainian prosecutor Viktor Shokin fired. This much is true, and Biden says as much; Shokin did not crack down on rampant corruption in Ukraine, and US leaders — including the Obama administration, top Democrats, and several Republican senators — wanted Shokin fired. But Trump has a theory that Biden pushed for Shokin to be fired because Shokin was investigating a company called Burisma — a company Biden’s son, Hunter, worked for.
        
        The very short version of this is: Ukraine’s top prosecutor was fired for not investigating corruption, but Trump is pushing a theory that he was fired for … investigating corruption.
        
        Once we get through all the confusion Trump has introduced, we get back to the simple thing Trump did wrong: He asked a foreign leader to investigate his political opponent….”
        
        https://www.vox.com/videos/2019/10/7/20901251/trump-ukraine-impeachment-phone-call-video
        
         
        
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        October 20, 2019 11:59am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Corruption is always illegal or leads to illegality.
        
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        October 20, 2019 12:59pm
    - Brian McDonald
      
      Just another example – don’t like the message accuse the narrator of a crime.
      What we have here is a frantic effort to cover every crack that is appearing. Cracks appearing in the manner they are now is a story in itself. I’m surprised at the lack of objectivity. Trump is the leader of the Government but introduces his own people and agenda between the lines – there’s something disturbing about that. He undermines and discards his own staff.
      I’m happy for you to wed to the idea that there are a whole lot of people fighting against Trump and even inventing material evidence from his own mouth. But I’ll just continue to watch.
      
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      October 20, 2019 12:30pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    ‘maybe a mental health issue as to his own importance seems to have got the better of him.’
    
    *shrugs*
    
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    October 20, 2019 10:18am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Wow. Trump’s lost Monique’s support.
  
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  October 20, 2019 9:35am
  - Brian McDonald
    
    It’s called objectivity.
    
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    October 20, 2019 12:31pm
- Simon
  
  “we’re likely to see moves to remove Trump under the 25th Amendment.”
  
  Lol how many moons does your planet have?
  
  Clinton just called Tulsi Gabbard a Russian asset. Its getting bad out there.
  
  “Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.”
  
  Watch how you go.
  
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  October 20, 2019 9:50am
- emmess
  
  First the Russia Hoax, now the Ukraine Hoax.
  Try to keep up, I have already moved on to the Belarus Hoax.
  
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  October 20, 2019 10:39am
G152

Some-one in the Prime newsroom cocked up.
Claim of couple as the first NZers to fly a light aircraft around the world..
See
https://www.google.co.nz/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=14&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjxquzTg6nlAhWVSH0KHVU3DDw4ChAWMAN6BAgDEAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nzmuseums.co.nz%2Fcollections%2F3031%2Fobjects%2F714444%2Fcliff-tait-round-the-world-flight-in-airtourer-zk-cxu-miss-jacy-1969&usg=AOvVaw1NKALuraJQSypOWPms3EJN
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October 20, 2019 8:17am
- sooty
  
  I believe it’s been done before many times!
  
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  October 20, 2019 8:35am
  - G152
    
    Cliff Taits the first New Zealander to do it
    
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    October 20, 2019 9:43am
Greg Ettridge

Tale of two cities.
All Blacks made it no doubt in anyone’s mind why they should and look like world champions.
England completely demolished Australia or should I Say Australia completely imploded.
You cannot play sport based on anything bar the best person takes the field.
Cheika and Castle have just finished their stints in the limelight.
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October 20, 2019 8:22am
- Exclamation Mark
  
  It’s okay Wallabies – you’ve got the Qantas rainbow tick and you’ll always be 2019 Rugby World Champions of embracing diversity to me!
  *laughs in Israel Falau*
  
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  October 20, 2019 8:47am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Yeah, wonder how they would have gone with Falau who must not be spoken of, still playing?
  
  Fortunately for Australia, Castle protected all those triggered gay rugby fans from the sight of Falau in the green and gold.
  
  Castle is of course a New Zealander – so perhaps we should order her a Gold Watch to say thanks – it seems to be traditional at such events? Maybe even nominate her for the New Years Honours list – services to NZ rugby, above and beyond the call of duty!
  
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  October 20, 2019 8:49am
  - MCos
    
    The biggest mistake Castle made was to renew his contract after the first time Folau made an ass of himself.
    I suppose she took him at his word. Bad idea with zealots.
    
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    October 20, 2019 10:30am
- Brian McDonald
  
  Cheika over thought things and his side were soon opened up on the right flank. Unfortunately then I thought it was all over for them. On the other hand I thought the AB’s in their game immediately tested the flanks last night and for the first time since Umaga we saw a centre working in the ruck and distributing the ball in order that the attack might be widened again. Some commentators earlier criticised Reece and Bridge for their lack of size but Reece proved again he can match anyone in the contact and test the defence at will. Bridge was just constant across the park and in defence while Reece’s tackle on the rampaging Irish lock loosened the ball. He’s a pocket battleship with speed of a cruiser. Mo’unga kept a ball in from touch and the AB’s needed to scramble in defence on their own line – the risk was great but not for this team and the level of intensity they maintained. If one thing was going to foster the possibility of dominance then doubt in the same few seconds for the Irish, it was that crazy play.
  The pack was all business and we got to from Joe Moody the ball plays the coaches wanted from him earlier in the year. Ardie Savea showed his relentless work rate in a pack where every player excelled driving in the middle or on the edges offering both the ball and speed. Smith’s passing and quickness was at his best and he looked like the best halfback in the world on the night, outside him the inside backs continued to play the game wide until the flanks settled in the AB’s favour. The ball was always going to end up wide with speed and the Irish had no answer. Leinhart Brown jinked and ran while Goodhue played like a strong loose forward in support. There were 3 flankers (the 3rd being the roving Goodhue) and a no8 on display and I got to see what the coaches must have seen in Goodhue a long time back – I missed the player of the match call, but Goodhue must have been close, with Reece also near.
  Can’t help but think that the tight 5s intensity was increased by the tight work of Sam Cane who last year had his career on the line with a neck injury, he reminded why Matt Todd has been the go-to man for years, dependable and committed they both have the same style depended on by the coaches, nothing flash but hard and constant.
  One of the pluses argued for Beauden playing at the fullback has been the reliability of Mo’unga with goal kicking – but we saw last night (where his kicking stats were down) when the All Blacks are in that mood they are to a man, only looking for the try line. Someone before the game commented about the weakened advantage that the recent losses against the Irish had presented for the All Blacks and that the fear of them for other teams was gone – well someone forgot to tell the AB’s they were no longer a fearless single-minded colossus. Whilst the Irish may not have been frightened, they were put off their game at the advantage line and the spread of the ball quickly thereafter which appeared to shake the confidence from them. Kieran Reed has had big shoes to fill since Mccaw’s retirement and his early season work was strained but now, when it matters, he looks the complete package both as captain and player. Incredible game to the point when the AB’s got a penalty around the 42minute I thought they may have run the ball to push home the mental edge even further.
  
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  October 20, 2019 9:05am
  - Raphael
    
    Be auden Barratt was man of the match
    
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    October 20, 2019 9:39am
    - Colville
      
      and best fullback in the world.
      
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      October 20, 2019 10:19am
    - lilman
      
      Barrett is a freak,he does things no-one else can.
      
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      October 20, 2019 10:29am
    - Albert_Ross
      
      In the words of his lesser known brother Wh auden, he was our North, our South, our East and our West
      
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      October 20, 2019 11:36am
      - The Proper Ghandi
        
        Albert_Ross
        They could always call in TS Eliot Dixon in the event Read goes down injured.
        
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        October 20, 2019 12:41pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Rupert Brooke’s brothers Robin and Zinzan were pretty useful players in their day, too.
        
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        October 20, 2019 1:56pm
  - James Stephenson
    
    Next week will be interesting, given the way that Curry and Underhill completely dominated Hooper and Pocock, I’d say the result will be determined by the respective back rows…and Billy is overdue a really good game.
    
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    October 20, 2019 10:02am
    - Colville
      
      The way Beale cut thru the English backs repeatedly I predict the English will be in for a hard night against the ABs.
      
      If the Wallababies had well trained support players it would have been a very different result.
      
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      October 20, 2019 1:07pm
      - James Stephenson
        
        That’s always been the way with Beale though. The defence find it hard to know where he’s going to run…and so do his poor team mates trying to support him!
        
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        October 20, 2019 3:53pm
  - SGA
    
    I thought the ABs played well too, but the Irish helped. In particular, the Irish kicking game was off. Not only the missed touches from penalties (those can’t help the “head space” of a team struggling to compete), but also their more attacking kicks (e.g., box kicks) seemed to be going 5-10 metres too far, and the AB players were often receiving relatively uncontested ball. That made Barret’s day a lot easier.
    
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    October 20, 2019 11:15am
    - MCos
      
      Often happens when a normally very good team gets rattled by an even better team.
      
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      October 20, 2019 12:50pm
- Scott
  
  Yes, one of the things I’ve become convinced of is that political correctness destroys every institution it touches. Our universities such as Massey are becoming politically correct group think organisations who have lost the ability and will to debate ideas and consider opposing viewpoints.
  Rugby unions have embraced rainbow gayness which is the exact opposite of the traditional rugby ethos. Rugby players prided themselves on being not gay.
  
  We look forward to PC armed forces embracing diversity as time goes by. But will they be an aggressive and effective fighting force?
  Judging by the sad demoralized group supposedly representing Australian rugby they will be limp and weak.
  
  Let’s get rid of pc and return to commonsense values. It would certainly help Australian rugby.
  
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  October 20, 2019 2:31pm
Maggy Wassilieff

We sent an alleged people smuggler to Australia on Thursday.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/owed-justice-accused-people-smuggler-extradited-from-nz-over-2001-tragedy-20191019-p53299.html

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/oct/19/siev-x-tragedy-iraqi-man-charged-in-australia-in-connection-with-deaths-of-350-people

I wonder how he got residence in NZ.
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October 20, 2019 8:26am
- sooty
  
  Who signed him off to stay?
  At least he went on the Sleases watch!
  
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  October 20, 2019 8:37am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    He arrived in 2009 under our refugee quota (after having lived in Indonesia for 9 years)…seems to have spent quite a bit of time fighting extradition through our courts.
    
    New Zealand resident extradited to Australia following humanitarian disaster, to face trial over deaths of 350
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12277990
    
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    October 20, 2019 9:05am
- stephieboy
  
  MW, and how did Karel Sroubek get into NZ under a fake passport and fake identy back in 1911?
  
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  October 20, 2019 4:01pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Karel Sroubek arrived in NZ under a 3 months visitor’s visa in 2003.
    
    Do you think Sroubek’s case is similar to a that of a person who may be responsible for placing 353 people on an overloaded, unseaworthy boat?
    
    My query is about the folks who process our refugee intake.
    
    Within 2 years of Maythem Radhi arriving in NZ, Australia had evidence for him to be extradited.
    
    https://www.courtsofnz.govt.nz/cases/maythem-kamil-radhi-v-the-district-court-at-manukau-1/@@images/fileDecision?r=901.359712682
    
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    October 20, 2019 6:23pm
Yvette

Mr Peters told the gun owners it was news to him the second tranche was being rushed to meet the one-year anniversary. [of the 15 March attacks, Christchurch]

There is possibly two Ardern traits on display here –
• one is the Ardern haste to impetuously throw any disagreeable item out of the cot – You will never hear me mention his name [1], ‘I can tell you one thing right now. Our gun laws will change’ [2], and (a little less emotional) Government kills off capital gains tax, won’t happen on Jacinda Ardern’s watch [3]

• the other is Ardern’s qualification: Bachelor of Communication Studies (BCS) in politics and public relations –
See “Government ‘actively considering’ Greenpeace petition to end oil and gas exploration”
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2018/03/government-actively-considering-greenpeace-petition-to-end-oil-and-gas-exploration.html

See both the video and accompanying images.
Ardern: I wasn’t scheduled to speak [like hell she wasn’t !] I’m meant to be supporting a state lunch for one of our international guests, but it was important to be here,” she said.
Bugger an international luncheon guest –
Ardern told the crowd she was supposed to be attending a state visit but had elected to receive the petition because of its importance. Behind her the Parliament flagpole was flying the Indonesian flag to mark the visit of President Joko Widodo.
By 4pm Ardern appeared to walk back the comments, saying consideration of what to do with the process under which areas are offered for oil exploration was something that “every government does around this time of year” [4]
but not with all the carefully pre-prepared Labour placards.

No Greenpeace signage, but enormous placards held up in place by Labour co-ordinated clothed helpers, recording the Labour protest history from Kirk Saves Manapouri, Lange Refuses Nuclear Ships, Helen Stops native Logging to Ardern: Ends Oil & Gas Exploration?

Who in fact paid for those? And they didn’t bloody happen just overnight.

And it was part of the out-of-Cabinet deal that secured Winston’s paranoid waka-jumping bill be passed.
So, Yes, Winston knows how Ardern can operate.

Is a little structured propaganda a surprise to him?
Or his reaction for gun-owners couldn’t be another mis-truth could it?

Ardern’s impromtpu popping out to Parliament’s steps to receive the “Greenpeace” petition was never really examined by the media, nor were questions asked – like, who planned and prepared it all the placards and who paid for them?

[1] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/19/new-zealand-shooting-ardern-says-she-will-never-speak-suspects-name
[2] https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/16-03-2019/jacinda-ardern-i-can-tell-you-one-thing-right-now-our-gun-laws-will-change/
[3] Government kills off capital gains tax, won’t happen on Jacinda Ardern’s watch
[4] https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/102394885/ardern-says-government-actively-considering-call-to-end-oil-exploration
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October 20, 2019 8:35am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  There is a very simple explanation.
  
  Winston is a stone cold liar.
  
  His party traipsed the country before the election telling gun clubs that NZFirst had their backs, and could be trusted to represent their sport.
  
  A good number were stupid enough to believe him.
  
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  October 20, 2019 8:52am
  - peterwn
    
    Winston just says what he feels like saying at the time. He knows he can change his political tune later and get away with it. He is going all over the place at the conference but his core supporters would not care.
    Either he is a Machiavellian strategy genius or he does not have a clue how he is going to play things during the next year.
    At last years NZF conference he claimed National will chew through two leaders before the 2020 election. The first one has yet to fall.
    
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    October 20, 2019 9:20am
- Raphael
  
  Sorry, fat fingers, was meant to upvote
  
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  October 20, 2019 9:02am
- Grant
  
  Yvette, at last!
  I remember thinking the very same thing when I saw the PTPM standing in front of those banners. Who made them? Who paid for them? And, when were they ordered?
  Impromptu my arse!
  Does any one know if this information could be dug up as the result of an OIA request?
  Perhaps Simon could ask on our behalf as a supplementary, (if he’s allowed to that is)?
  I really despise the arrogance of this government that lets them think they can tell us any old shit, that we know is shit, and expect us to swallow it without question . And then wank on about never lying in politics.
  Worst government in this county’s history.
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  October 20, 2019 11:24am
  - Yvette
    
    Grant, if you paste in Google search panel the phrase NZ Labour sign petition banning oil exploration and click on Images, in about the first five images should be one featuring publicity using Labour’s red background and an image of Ardern urging you to SIGN THE PETITION: END OIL EXPLORATION – MAKE OIL HISTORY – Greenpeace
    That is, sign the petition which she arranged to receive on the steps of Parliament
    
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    October 20, 2019 1:34pm
atomic drop

“I wonder how he got residence in NZ.”

Because our globalist over lords hate white people and want us reduced to a minority in our own homelands. Why do they hate us? Mostly because we are the only ones capable of torpedoing their technocratic project building a Global favela.
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October 20, 2019 8:41am
- sooty
  
  Who signed him off?
  
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  October 20, 2019 9:27am
- The King
  
  Who are these “globalist overlords” ?
  
  heh
  
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  October 20, 2019 1:52pm
- stephieboy
  
  “Because our globalist over lords hate white people and want us reduced to a minority in…”??
  
  Garbage!
  
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  October 20, 2019 4:02pm
KevO'Brien

Woods Hole (Big US Oceanographers) show ocean plastic as plankton food.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/10/18/plastics-science-is-winning/
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October 20, 2019 8:43am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  yep,
  Sunlight Converts Polystyrene to Carbon Dioxide and Dissolved Organic Carbon
  https://pubs.acs.org/doi/pdf/10.1021/acs.estlett.9b00532
  
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  October 20, 2019 9:13am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Oh Bugger, NOT CO2…. We’re Stuffed ( sarc)
    
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    October 20, 2019 10:20am
  - stephieboy
    
    MW , on the other hand,
    
    Degrading plastics revealed as source of greenhouse gases
    
    Date:
    August 1, 2018
    Source:
    University of Hawaii at Manoa
    Summary:
    
    Researchers have found that several greenhouse gases are emitted as common plastics degrade in the environment. Their study reports the unexpected discovery of the universal production of greenhouse gases methane and ethylene by the most common plastics when exposed to sunlight.
    
     
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/08/180801182009.htm
    
    Your link dooes not appear to state how long it takes sunlight to break down plastics and in what circumstances outside the Lab?
    
    And there’s the question of the ability to break down enourmous volumes that we are familair with.
    
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    October 20, 2019 1:28pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Does this mean we should quit recycling and dump all out plastic in the ocean to feed the plankton?
  
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  October 20, 2019 9:37am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    FFS man, read the actual article and the statements at the end about decent environmental values.
    
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    October 20, 2019 5:22pm
- pdm
  
  `Woods hole’.
  
  Conjures up unsavoury images.
  
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  October 20, 2019 10:05am
  - Colville
    
    you would need a miners lamp and a strong stomach!
    
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    October 20, 2019 1:08pm
- stephieboy
  
  Kev O’ Brien, now lots of reason why Anthony Watts should be taken seriously ?
  
  Sheesh!
  
  Is this a green light for dumping even more plastics into the seas?
  
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  October 20, 2019 4:05pm
ex-golfer

After failing with KiwiBuild, Twyford turns his midas touch to Auckland light rail.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/116705422/light-rail-reality-the-six-power-point-slides-that-stopped-a-city

I bet the man can’t even boil a jug without something bursting into flames.
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October 20, 2019 8:54am
- sooty
  
  After failing kiwibuild, then transport, maybe Twyford should look at tv and print!
  
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  October 20, 2019 9:40am
- Hacked-Off
  
  You really have to ask yourself what drugs Twyford is smoking. The man should never have been let near any levers of Government. Is the Labour talent pool so shallow that they could find no other Minister – or an MP even – who could take over this project. This is another disgrace from an incompetent Government.
  
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  October 20, 2019 10:03am
  - curry4me
    
    Yes. As for Twyford, he’s the classic leftist fool from central casting.
    
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    October 20, 2019 10:46pm
- Simon
  
  NZTA, Twyford & NZ super fund are all mongs.
  
  They have too much power and money. Billions will be pissed away funded by the working poor in South Auckland so some wankers from Grey Lynn can light rail it to the airport.
  
  All these clowns are paid too much and spend too much time overseas and think Auckland is some international city.
  
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  October 20, 2019 10:11am
Maggie Pie

My partner took up golf about six months ago. Spends most Wednesdays playing at different courses and gets lessons from a Pro every week as well. Personally i know nothing about the game and cant understand what people see in it. Suddenly it’s about all he talks about now. Last night while we were having dinner I was moved to tell him that if he mentions the word ‘bogey’ one more time while we’re eating, I’ll f~~king clock him 🙁
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October 20, 2019 9:16am
- pdm
  
  If he is any good at golfbogeys will make him quite snotty!!
  
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  October 20, 2019 12:40pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Let’s hope your partner and his Pro don’t find his sweet spot in the rough.
  
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  October 20, 2019 1:05pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    He’s already got quite a pronounced hook.
    
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    October 20, 2019 1:49pm
Bazflyer

Just to correct a couple of comments concerning my recent flight round the world in a small aircraft. All admiration for Mr Tait’s pioneering 1969 flight, however, the Airtourer aircraft used was shipped from Japan to North America and therefore this was not a qualifying flight. http://www.earthrounders.com As for another comment, my flight was just the 240th recorded round the world flights in a single engine airplane since 1924 and the first from NZ.
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October 20, 2019 9:21am
Maggy Wassilieff

Have the cops lost control in South Auckland?

Oct 20: https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/401379/police-inquiry-launched-after-person-critically-injured

Oct 19:
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/401346/man-in-critical-condition-after-south-auckland-shooting

August :
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/397538/crime-on-the-rise-in-south-auckland-honestly-speaking-it-is-scary
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October 20, 2019 9:37am
- mikenmildagain
  
  No.
  
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  October 20, 2019 9:38am
  - The King
    
    NPC voice:
    
    Don’t talk about race
    
    Ignore race based crime stats
    
    Point out its colonialism fault
    
    Rinse-repeat as the crime and violence gets worse
    
    Can never find a solution because “culture”
    
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    October 20, 2019 1:58pm
  - stephieboy
    
    I agree. The simple answer is no!
    
    Again no!
    
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    October 20, 2019 3:51pm
- Raphael
  
  Outside of Auckland, Thames has been experiencing a wave of crime with more car break ins in the past 3 weeks than I have heard of before
  
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  October 20, 2019 9:41am
  - DigNap15
    
    My guess is that its all due to meth.
    Its very expensive, so people turn to crime against normal people to get the money to buy the the meths from the gangs
    The gangs that no one wants to do anything about.
    
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    October 20, 2019 9:45am
  - Inandout
    
    Raphael, all the cops have to do is visit the WINZ motels and they could find some of the loot.
    
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    October 20, 2019 10:11am
  - Simon
    
    Sorry but what is a wave of crime in Thames? 10 cars broken into?
    
    Yep but the rising house prices & costs in Auckland will be pushing the sewage further south from Auckland.
    
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    October 20, 2019 10:14am
  - Brian Marshall
    
    Who’s been released from prison or moved into the area? Such crime wave you’re experiencing, often have a single source origin.
    
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    October 20, 2019 12:08pm
  - The King
    
    Its like a 1 hour drive from South Auckland to Thames..
    Just saying.
    
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    October 20, 2019 2:01pm
- Fletch
  
  The exact same thing happened in Australia after their gun confiscation – crime went up. And gun crime went up massively.
  
  https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2015/11/10/australias-secret-gun-problem-exposed/
  
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  October 20, 2019 9:45am
  - stephieboy
    
    Fletch , how many subsequent Port Arthur scale massacres!
    
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    October 20, 2019 3:48pm
- HemiT
  
  Public sector services can’t keep with a 1000 new immigrants a week , it’s just chaos.
  
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  October 20, 2019 10:04am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  what has changed?
  
  How about:
  
  a) crims know that the government has their backs and won’t prosecute most of them?
  
  b) the police are too busy tracking down and harassing legal gun owners to do their real jobs?
  
  c) real gangsters are back from Australia and are carving out turf
  
  d) police rules of engagement are to run away?
  
  e) all the experienced cops are perfing, their replacements are objectively thicker and weaker because “diversity”?
  
  Have I missed anything?
  
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  October 20, 2019 10:04am
- Paginus
  
  South Auckland is a totally different nation, with different values. I don’t know why people expect the magic dirt would turn them into good little Englishman.
  
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  October 20, 2019 11:18am
- atomic drop
  
  South Auckland is an excellent example of the old adage “import 3rd Worlders get a 3rd World city”.
  
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  October 20, 2019 12:33pm
  - stephieboy
    
    atomic drop , actually so-called “third worlders” chose either to live in cental or west auckland!
    
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    October 20, 2019 3:59pm
chaos

I am pretty surprised that this is still legal in NZ

* The Government has been advised to delay making a decision on whether to outlaw gay and trans “conversion therapy” due to concerns about freedom of expression.

Conversion therapy is where people try to change lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender (LGBT) people’s sexuality or gender identity using therapy, drugs or other means.

The controversial practice has been banned in the Australian state of Victoria, several countries in South America and parts of the United States.

About 20,000 people have signed petitions calling for the practice to be outlawed in New Zealand.*

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/116717531/why-the-government-is-unlikely-to-ban-lgbt-conversion-therapy-anytime-soon
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October 20, 2019 9:40am
DigNap15

At the moment they seem to be killing themselves.
So that’s a good thing, reduces then feral population.
But if they start attacking the general population…
Who you gonna call?
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October 20, 2019 9:43am
- atomic drop
  
  “…that’s a good thing reduces the non-white (excluding north Asian tribes) population…if they start attacking the white population…who you gonna call?”
  
  There, decoded your statement.
  
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  October 20, 2019 12:38pm
- The King
  
  You’ve been arrested for memes against the government you can do life in jail or kill yourself.
  
  Do you not see where this going?
  
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  October 20, 2019 2:04pm
Humble Capitalist

Ardern the hardcore globalist ironically appointed as ‘PM’ by ‘New Zealand First’
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October 20, 2019 9:59am
Maggie Pie

My partner was wondering that if you had sex with a 16 stone woman, would that count as a threesome?
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October 20, 2019 10:07am
- chaos
  
  Maggie that disgusting, who would have sex with a labour MP?
  
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  October 20, 2019 12:40pm
- atomic drop
  
  He was thinking of you, cupcake.
  
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  October 20, 2019 12:42pm
  - sooty
    
    That’s discriminaton, faties need love too!
    
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    October 20, 2019 2:38pm
    - Tall Man
      
      They already have enough love……………. for food!
      
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      October 20, 2019 6:53pm
chaos

Wow, who knew there is a NZ First Youth wing. I’m guessing being NZ First this is 50 years olds ?

* NZ First could be set to change it’s policy on drug testing at festivals after a heated debate at it’s conference bought by the party’s youth wing.

Young NZ First hoped the party would change its opposition to drug testing at festivals, saying it would help save lives.

MPs Darroch Ball and Mark Patterson strongly opposed the motion, but the party members eventually voted in favour.

The all important voice of party leader Winston Peters was missing from the debate.*

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/116723458/young-nz-first-gets-party-to-change-drug-policy
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October 20, 2019 10:14am
- The King
  
  Passing on boomerism to the young, if this happens we’re seriously fucked.
  
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  October 20, 2019 2:06pm
Notsofast

Spot the irony Eugene Sage

“Technology, sees the resilience of plastic as an asset. The fact that it does not degrade makes it possible for circular usage,”

Which is what everyone did with the logistical miracle in New Zealand until energy intensive single use paper bags were produced.

https://phys.org/news/2019-10-plastic-high-quality-advanced-steam.html.
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October 20, 2019 10:23am
- stephieboy
  
  Like anything else recyled plastic bags I use do also wear down over time becoming unusable!
  
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  October 20, 2019 1:30pm
  - sooty
    
    What, do you have recycled plastic underpants?
    
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    October 20, 2019 2:36pm
Doubledimp

Made an off-the-cuff remark to the Mrs today when she said she enjoyed learning Maori language and culture. I agreed it was interesting (I got my Maori Tanga badge at Cubs in the 70s and had fun doing so) but I queried her to identify what Maori culture added apart from the ceremonial and touristy.

She did mention the “whanau” aspect of sticking together with your family, but we both recalled the female co-worker who married a Maori fella and who saw a lot of her salary going to bail out his family when their hare-brained schemes fell over.

Can anyone add anything that Maori culture contributes over and above anything already mentioned?
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October 20, 2019 10:27am
- atomic drop
  
  I’ve seen that same cultural phenomena again and again. In most instances a maori with the ability to accumulate individual wealth will have it siphoned off by “whanau” in no time.
  
  Stone age collectivism does not work in a post Capitalist consumer debt driven 21thC economy.
  
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  October 20, 2019 12:47pm
- stephieboy
  
  Depends on how you define culture which you seem to use very narowly.
  
  Maori culture is more than just ceremonal and touristy .
  
  There is a vast field of music , arts , writing etc that demonstate conclusively that Maori is much, much ,more than your narrow minded perceptions.
  
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  October 20, 2019 1:35pm
  - The King
    
    [laughs in Bach , Aristotle, Michelangelo]
    
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    October 20, 2019 2:15pm
    - stephieboy
      
      The King, now what does culture have in common with you?
      
      “When I hear the word culture, I reach for my gun”,
      
      Hanns Johst ( Nazi sympathiser)
      
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      October 20, 2019 4:22pm
      - The King
        
        Arbeit macht frei, Stephie …..Arbeit macht frei.
        
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        October 20, 2019 11:33pm
  - Swifty
    
    They’re only writing because of cultural appropriation.
    
    Shouldn’t they pay us for that sort of thing?
    
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    October 20, 2019 4:48pm
  - namron
    
    stephie-idiot – another example of your ignorance!
    “vast field of music and WRITING!”
    Maori music, prior to the introduction [by the EUROPEAN Missionaries in 1814] of harmonic music – based on the 8 note scale – was NOT music.
    Until then, what Maori called “music” was atonal shouting. They had no idea what real music was.
    Harmonic music had developed in Europe over centuries and in 1814, Europe was enjoying the compositions of Handel, Mozart, Bach, Brahms etc + harmonic and melodic music in many other different forms .
    Some of what is called Maori music isn’t!
    eg The melody of Maori Battalion is STOLEN from an American football team marching song!!
    As for writing and art!!!!!
    
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    October 20, 2019 6:05pm
Straight arrow

Race relations man says “All elected members must swear an oath to abide by the Local Government Act which includes Treaty obligations,”
Can somebody inform me as to where that is required by legislation?
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October 20, 2019 10:55am
- chaos
  
  http://www.localcouncils.govt.nz/lgip.nsf/wpg_URL/About-Local-Government-Māori-Participation-in-Local-Government-What-does-the-Local-Government-Act-say-about-The-Treaty
  
  I’m guessing somewhere in there or here
  
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  October 20, 2019 12:36pm
  - Straight arrow
    
    Ignoring the Treaty issue, where does it say elected people have to swear an oath at all?
    
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    October 20, 2019 1:08pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Part 1 of the Act clarifies that local authorities do not have Treaty of Waitangi obligations under the LGA (those responsibilities lie with the Crown), but Part 6 of the Act includes provisions for local government to consult with Māori and involve them in decision-making processes.
  
  http://www.localcouncils.govt.nz/lgip.nsf/wpg_url/Policy-Local-Government-Legislation-Local-Government-Act-2002
  
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  October 20, 2019 1:24pm
JibberJabber

When ur trying to riot and mom turns up…
https://twitter.com/RitaPanahi/status/1185674252332093440
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October 20, 2019 11:11am
- atomic drop
  
  Reminds me of the kid whose father dropped him off at our boxing gym, only for mum to turn up later when she found out what was going on, put on a big performance and drag him away.
  
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  October 20, 2019 12:57pm
Paginus

Justin Trudeau plays dress up again
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=T2g49GB7Ri0
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October 20, 2019 11:14am
- Ruawai
  
  Ha ha just like Jacinda dressing up as a muslim.
  
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  October 20, 2019 3:05pm
Albert_Ross

So Chris Calvi-Freeman, one of Wellington’s ousted councillors, turns up on Neighbourly lauding the Council for a recent action. In response to a resident’s request for the removal of a large pohutukawa that was blocking his view of the street, thus making it dangerous for him to exit his driveway – Council instead remodelled the pavement, with the loss of a parking space and at the cost of $300,000. Calvi-Freeman thinks this is a fantastic outcome.

Now pohutukawa are, in their place, very fine and handsome trees and no doubt provide benefits to endemic birds and insects. But they are not native to Wellington, they are nobody’s idea of ideal street furniture with their invasive pavement-shredding roots, and neither are they in any way endangered. The fact that Calvi-Freeman thinks that saving one of them from the chop, in a street that’s full of them, is a good use of $300,000 of ratepayers’ money, and that he thinks that boasting about his part in the business on Neighbourly will win him approval, says much about why he isn’t a councillor any more. Sadly though he doesn’t appear to realise it.
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October 20, 2019 11:26am
- Tall Man
  
  And probably not a “genuine” pohutukawa like most around town.
  
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  October 20, 2019 1:58pm
- The King
  
  “not native to Wellington”
  
  I can handle many levels of bigotry but this is just pure xenophobia against the minority pohutukawa.
  
  Most hateful thing i’ve ever seen posted here, disgusting.
  
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  October 20, 2019 2:45pm
Maggie Pie

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION:
Has Greg O’Connor developed a squint?

https://twitter.com/GregOhariu/status/1185449974479253504
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October 20, 2019 11:58am
- Tall Man
  
  The pockets that fucker has his hands in are ours.
  
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  October 20, 2019 1:57pm
  - Overworked
    
    Actually, he’s a pretty good local MP, seems to earn his keep. For the record, I didn’t vote for him, but may well do next time.
    
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    October 20, 2019 3:38pm
    - Tall Man
      
      He is certainly not on the ardern team list. I think his tenure may well be short.
      
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      October 20, 2019 6:47pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Shit man, what are you smoking?
      
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      October 20, 2019 8:44pm
  - chaos
    
    Kinky, but I’d rather he keeps his hands in your pockets.
    
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    October 20, 2019 4:10pm
niggly

Oh dear looks like the mayoral jester known as Justin Lester is indicating he will make moves to get his snout back in the trough.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/116724031/justin-lester-says-recount-in-wellington-in-mayoralty-race-likely

Despite the electoral officials saying the STV counting process is robust (apparently it has been recounted more than once already) and even left-leaning media commentators are saying he risks damaging his reputation (especially if he is aiming for future Labour Party roles).

(I did comment on last Saturday’s local body elections thread that he will likely only have a day or two’s “humility” (i.e. realising the people have rejected him and accept that reality) but will then do an about face and resume full-arrogance mode. I actually hoped I would be proved wrong but unfortunately the pest proves the point in his haste to resume both toughing and secret deals)! 🙁
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October 20, 2019 12:12pm
- Steve Todd
  
  “Foster said on Sunday that 62 votes were a ‘landslide’ in terms of STV […].”
  
  And he’s right. The votes are scanned into the computer using Optical Character Recognition (OCR) technology. It is indeed a robust process. I’ve seen a demonstration first-hand (in 2003). From memory, if the DEO typed, say, a ‘2’ beside the voter’s handwritten ‘1’, the computer would not accept the vote. They must match, through every preference number on every vote. If there’s any doubt as to what a preference number is, the electoral officer, Warwick Lampp, would decide the matter. I came away from the demonstration mightily impressed with the entire operation.
  
  Of the 1,957 special votes that were included in the final count, 745 were given for Lester and 451 were given for Foster. Calvert received 212, Condie 266, Hill 215, Hausberg 39, Rathod 11, McDonald 16, and Cox 2.
  
  In the Final count, Lester led by 1,507 votes on the count of first preferences. During the count, a total of 8,041 votes were transferred to Foster, and 6,472 votes were transferred to Lester, a difference of 1,569, giving Foster the win by 62 votes.
  
  Basically, they would have to find additional votes, not yet counted, for a 62-vote margin to be overturned, and there’s no guarantee that such votes (which, let’s face it, do not exist), would favour Lester by a sufficient number to enable him to snatch back the prize.
  
  Come mid-week, I doubt Mr Lester will want to commit to spending $80,000 of his own money on a lost cause.
  
  He needs to accept the result and get on with his life.
  
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  October 20, 2019 2:40pm
  - Tall Man
    
    How the hell can that recount cost $80,000? Must be a lot of catering.
    
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    October 20, 2019 3:21pm
    - Steve Todd
      
      That bit, I’m not sure about.
      
      I imagine they would have to take all 60,435 valid votes, 87 informal votes and 539 blank votes, and start the whole process over again, from scratch.
      
      It could take several days. DEOs would need to be re-hired, for one thing. Election officials are probably not cheap, either. Then you have power costs, and yes, perhaps catering.
      
      I guess it all adds up.
      
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      October 20, 2019 4:19pm
  - greybeard
    
    His “Own money”: ?
    Surely you jest !.
    Labour Party funds will be going towards this exercise.
    
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    October 20, 2019 7:01pm
mikenmildagain

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Another humiliation for Boris Johnson in the Brexit debacle. Forced by the house of commons to beg Brussels for the extension he so adamantly opposed.
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October 20, 2019 12:17pm
- chaos
  
  Not really, more politicians showing they do not support democracy or that people voted to leave the EU
  
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  October 20, 2019 12:32pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  The outcome will more likely be Brexit 31 Oct without agreements. If you can’t do the possible don’t mess with what is.
  
  The EU will keep the position they agreed with Boris as a a reserved one and that will quickly be implemented administratively during November.
  
  Government is about outcomes not Twyfords.
  
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  October 20, 2019 1:12pm
- Justitia
  
  Nope, Boris has had an unsigned copy of the letter delivered to the EU noting it is Parliament’s letter, and he has contacted EU Heads of Government making it clear he does not want an extension. Macron appears to be ruling one out in any case. So the stage is set for another legal battle with a Remainer QC laying a complaint with the totally biased Scottish High Court. Meanwhile the clock keeps ticking towards 11.01pm on 31 October.
  
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  October 20, 2019 2:35pm
Monique Watson

Pompeii on Wednesday:

Trump “makes decisions and then absorbs data and facts.”

This is pretty damming. It’s no secret that Pence believes he is fit to be the Next President.
Given Pence and Pompeo are in Turkey talking to Erdogan I find it hard to believe they aren’t doing the numbers and discussing whether it’s Trumps or the GOP’s existence at stake.
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October 20, 2019 12:29pm
DRHILL

A new episode of Have I Got News For You is available on YouTube (with Boris Johnson’s sister)
https://youtu.be/G_lkL8zEL40
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October 20, 2019 12:40pm
Hugh Pavletich

CALIFORNIA …

California Is (Again) Teetering On The Edge Of Financial Ruin … Zerohedge

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/california-again-teetering-edge-financial-ruin

For years, it had been speculated that California’s state-wide model of heavy regulation, expensive education, high taxes and bloated spending would eventually drive the state into financial ruin, according to a new Bloomberg Opinion piece. Over the last 15 years, the state also has had to deal with widespread blackouts and an unemployment rate that ballooned to 12% after the financial crisis. … read more via hyperlink above …
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October 20, 2019 1:30pm
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  Les Sayer posts at MacroBusiness Australia …
  
  https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/10/weekend-reading-19-20-october-2019/#comment-3527173
  
  Its a complete cesspit. Seriously outside of the gentrified areas it is like some of the worst slums in Africa – not talking about the tent cities which are EVERYWHERE but the main streets.
  
  The local councils are having to deal with full blown third world disease outbreaks – it really is shocking stuff.
  
  https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2019/03/typhus-tuberculosis-medieval-diseases-spreading-homeless/584380/
  
  … and …
  
  Hepatitis A outbreak killed 20 people – literally Medieval.
  
  https://www.10news.com/news/local-news/california-audit-blasts-city-and-county-of-san-diego-for-response-to-hepatitis-a-outbreak
  
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  October 20, 2019 5:40pm
PaulP

Oh wow, a book about Jacinda and Clarke saving us and the world. Hopefully a discount for us kiwibloggers buying in bulk.

First ever Mum to have a baby while holding down a full-time job and first ever stay at home Dad. They’ve clearly made history /sarc

https://i.stuff.co.nz/life-style/parenting/116508426/what-jacinda-and-clarke-teach-us-about-gender-roles
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October 20, 2019 1:32pm
- Tall Man
  
  I’ll be back shortly, I need a wee puke.
  
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  October 20, 2019 1:53pm
  - chaos
    
    Stop looking at leftie porn.
    
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    October 20, 2019 2:22pm
    - Tall Man
      
      How Dare You!
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-hfQ4xsW3Q
      
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      October 20, 2019 3:17pm
      - chaos
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bwLt_5t73g
        
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        October 20, 2019 4:07pm
- John Warren
  
  I’m not even going to click on that.
  
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  October 20, 2019 2:07pm
- The King
  
  Because Clarke comes across as a mans man huh?
  
  el oh el
  
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  October 20, 2019 2:56pm
  - stephieboy
    
    The King ,how many big fish have you landed? ,
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/travel/news/article.cfm?c_id=7&objectid=11970724
    
    Sprats?
    
    LOL
    
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    October 20, 2019 4:34pm
- Monique Watson
  
  Stuff are scraping at the bottom of the barrel running that. Kids are a fact of life. Big deal. And haven’t couples been coparenting for a couple of decades now?
  have five and hubby and I take turns. Oldest is fifteen and driving nowz. That’s a big deal 🙂
  
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  October 20, 2019 3:11pm
Maggie Pie

Little head. Big head. 😛

https://twitter.com/axios/status/1184913217052561408
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October 20, 2019 2:03pm
JibberJabber

A Guy Fawkes tutorial on getting rid of a ~~Government~~ I mean ants….
https://external-preview.redd.it/PGn3NfSxJ76p83QOu4K_4_EswkM1qpARhR9gDutCqSU.gif?width=728&format=mp4&s=a46e283f79904b4caf0eaa60754d7003bebaa118
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October 20, 2019 2:16pm
Swifty

Just came across Pasta Grannies on Youtube – thoroughly recommended.

https://www.youtube.com/user/pastagrannies/videos

🙂
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October 20, 2019 2:40pm
igm

So the unelected unwanted PTPM has her lackeys at Fairfax getting the camera out for her book with the kid and Jethro.
Well Ardern, this will not stop your decline . . . you are a liar, a failure, and no one trusts you. Bad taste to bring your innocent child into this debacle, because those that dislike you should not include your child, just your taxpayer funded de facto.
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October 20, 2019 2:48pm
Brian McDonald

Here’s an indication as to the level the TOW and Maori Land claims will be treated in the future as set out by the Australian Federal Court.
Excerpts follow from a standout decision, that essentially argues that both sides views are to be considered in context of their origin rather than the expectation that the ‘settlers’ view of what the indigenous understood, or should have understood, the agreement to be. Eventually a lot of NZ ‘full and finals’ may be revisited and if by some miracle they are not – there is still the Ngapuhi settlement to be achieved:
“Part of FMG’s appeal centred on disputing the court’s native title determination “concerning the meaning and significance of the Yindjibarndi’s activities on country,” according to the appeal judgement.
“Implicit in these comments is the notion that the exercise of traditional rights over country is in some way a less legitimate form of occupancy than that seen in the context of Anglo-Australian relationships to real property,” Justices Robertson and Griffiths wrote in their rejection of the appeal.
The judges found that such a position “is to misunderstand the concept of native title rights and interests to require them to fit into non-Aboriginal concepts of property, the exercise of proprietary rights and the enforcement of property rights”.
“That is why what occurs is recognition of native title; not conferral, and not transformation into non-Aboriginal property rights,” they wrote.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-18/andrew-forrest-loses-appeal-over-pilbara-native-title-claim/11615706?fbclid=IwAR3bdKBjfYjLqb19JEV0FxO610olu3y-XX7pUel5gxR8YUuZFRYm6q89VWw
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October 20, 2019 3:18pm
Wired-one

https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/116705422/light-rail-reality-the-six-power-point-slides-that-stopped-a-city

And yet they are 40 odd percent in the polls. Ffs wake up NZ, this is the worst government in our history!
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October 20, 2019 3:31pm
- DigNap15
  
  Not only are they still 40% in the polls, it will be fairly easy for NZF to get up to 5% and the Green will easily be above 5% (unless the new blue greens can take one or two percent off them, except that I have not heard from them for two months)
  Add to those sad facts and the local body elections did not look like anywhere near a landslide from Labour and the Greens and so National have a lot of work to do.
  
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  October 20, 2019 6:23pm
chaos

* The New Zealand Defence Force will be updating its grooming and appearance guidelines to reflect a more gender-neutral attitude for the Royal New Zealand Navy (RNZN), meaning male personnel can wear makeup, nail varnish and false eyelashes.

Newshub received information from a Navy insider last week that the RNZN will implement a more inclusive set of appearance and grooming regulations.

Chief of Navy Rear Admiral David Proctor confirmed the changes in a statement to Newshub on Friday. *

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/10/new-gender-neutral-guidelines-will-allow-male-navy-personnel-to-wear-make-up-false-eyelashes.html
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October 20, 2019 6:02pm
MrTips

*****In breaking news from the Rugby World Cup, the IRB has announced heavy penalties on the New Zealand All Blacks******

Speaking from bunker under Fukushima, the IRB President Twice Nightly outlined a series of severe restrictions on the All Blacks. “After reviewing video footage of the game against Ireland, the IRB has taken the unprecedented step of banning all NZ players apart from the Barrett brothers. It is just too unfair to other teams that these three have support from 12 others for their bedeviled trickery. Henceforth, they shall be weighed on the floating chair before each game, made to play with only themselves to back other up, and if they emit one spark, they shall be burned.”

Further action was also taken against George Bridges, the NZ left winger, Nightly also announced. “After match testing reveal the horrible moustache adoring Bridges’ upper lip is in fact not body hair, but an illegal 16th player. We do not know the species yet but it is in clear contravention of the rules and good grooming”.

In response, despite being knocked out of the tournament, the Irish team is banned entirely for all using self running shoes for lazy athletes.
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October 20, 2019 6:24pm
- Humble Capitalist
  
  Is the English version of Mallard running the IRB?
  
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  October 20, 2019 7:25pm
Happychappy

Winston saying his Party is National is like saying pakeha are Maori and just stirring the pot to con the voter.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12278116
Peter’s is toxic to NZ Politics and time for the voter in this Country to reject this piece of crap before he creates more bitterness with his hate raged comments.
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October 20, 2019 6:24pm
- niggly
  
  Saturday Winston: “Fuck National”!
  
  Sunday Winston: “I never said we couldn’t work with them”!
  
  Um what will Monday Winston say?
  
  But even then, what about the Tuesday Winston? Or the Wednesday Winston etc?
  
  Nevermind what day of the week it is, the next day Winston will contradict the previous day Winston!
  
  Welcome to Winston’s dysfunction junction where No means Yes and Black means White!
  
  In summary WinstonFirst seems to be the home of the confused voter!
  
  But rest assured everyone else, a vote for NZ First is a vote for Labour which is a vote for the nutbar Greens, and a never-ending nightmare called the COL!
  
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  October 20, 2019 7:30pm
  - Wired-one
    
    Bridges and National need to rule him out and make that point very clear well before the next election.
    
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    October 20, 2019 9:33pm
    - curry4me
      
      Indeed. Then people would have to make a choice about giving their party vote to ACT, or the New Conservatives. I don’t think Soymin will do that though. It’d require him not to be a male version of Jacindarella.
      
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      October 20, 2019 11:09pm
Tall Man

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/10/new-gender-neutral-guidelines-will-allow-male-navy-personnel-to-wear-make-up-false-eyelashes.html

Awesome, so pleased for them……. maybe steffy can join now.
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October 20, 2019 6:37pm
- chaos
  
  They have standards still. So nope.
  
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  October 20, 2019 7:15pm
- Komata
  
  TM@1837
  
  It gives a whole new meaning to the Toast ‘THE QUEEN, God bless her…’
  
  (Just saying)
  
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  October 20, 2019 7:47pm
The King

Good thread on NZ terrorism suppression bill…

“New Zealand’s latest ‘Terrorism Suppression’ bill allows authorities to deem you a terrorist ‘on the balance of probability’ w/o showing you evidence, then control your work/finances/movements/net access & prevent you telling ppl its happening”

https://twitter.com/Suzi3D/status/1185700163991621635

So if the Communist state doesn’t like you they can just call you a terrorist and gulag you for nothing.

Nice.
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October 20, 2019 7:02pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  Exactly. Climate Sceptics beware.
  
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  October 20, 2019 7:30pm
- stephieboy
  
  The King, which Gulag are they going to condemn you to?
  
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  October 20, 2019 7:45pm
Komata

TK@1902

…While all the while continuing to assure the Sheeples’ that what they are doing is in their (the Sheeples’) best interests…
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October 20, 2019 7:45pm
- The King
  
  The media are supposed to be our watchdogs, they just assume it doesn’t apply to them, one dissenting opinion and its them this bill will hit first.
  
  They should be writing a headline everyday on it.
  
  More proof that the media truly are the.. .enemy of the people.
  
  Its so bad even Golriz and the greens oppose it, albeit for the wrong reason but still.
  
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  October 20, 2019 11:29pm
chaos

* American research has found that autism spectrum disorder could be an autoimmune disease.

Physician scientist Matthew P. Anderson and his colleagues from the Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Centre (BIDMC), a teaching hospital of Harvard Medical School, have discovered cellular features – indicating an immune response targeting specific brain cells – in more than two-thirds of autistic brains analysed postmortem.

These cellular features are believed to provide new insight into the causes of autism, potentially paving the way to improved diagnosis and treatment. *

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/lifestyle/2019/10/autism-may-be-an-autoimmune-disorder-study.html
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