General Debate 19 October 2019

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peterwn

The Court decision about interrogatories in the Peters v Bennet case is available at:
https://forms.justice.govt.nz/search/Documents/pdf/jdo/4f/alfresco/service/api/node/content/workspace/SpacesStore/85138160-040c-49e3-a4b4-78b931adf2d3/85138160-040c-49e3-a4b4-78b931adf2d3.pdf

The decision is all about Winston being required to answer questions about his superannuation forms and his involvement as a Minister with the ‘no surprises’ policy over the years. While Winston has provided some of the answers there are areas of vagueness that he has been asked to clarify.

The application was brought by the Attorney General (who is being sued with respect to SSC and MSD) and the two departmental heads in person. Paula Bennett and Anne Tolley were not involved with this aspect and their lawyers did not put in an appearance. Perhaps they are becoming mere appendages to the trial.

It would seem the Crown’s and Departments’ arguments are roughly:
1. The circumstances surrounding the over claimed superannuation amount were such as to warrant informing the relevant Ministers under the ‘no surprises’ policy.
2. Since Winston had apparently received and was informed by ‘no surprises’ reports in the past, it is a bit rich for him to turn round now and try and claim that the policy is wrong. Interestingly he is being asked about ‘no surprises’ reports that he declined to read (unlike most other Ministerial papers a Minister would not necessarily need to read ‘no surprises’ reports).
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October 19, 2019 8:03am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  Thank you for bringing those court documents to our attention.
  Winston is used to having “The Duck” cover for him when he provides ambiguous responses, rather than accurate answers, to questions in The House.
  Winston, I have a message for you;
  “Geoff Venning is no duck.”
  
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  October 19, 2019 9:08am
- Yvette
  
  An issue seems to be that Peters claims the “no surprises” policy should not have applied in the case involving himself –
  
  As mentioned yesterday, the matter has been a factor in an Election campaign, legal action against Government officials and Members (claiming $1.8 million in taxpayer funds, should it be paid), in the question of “good faith” coalition Government negotiations, Parliamentary conduct and the appreciation or not of hospital flowers, over a period now exceeding 25 months and 22 days.
  
  By his own subsequent actions surely Winston has proved the answer is probably: Yes
  
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  October 19, 2019 9:30am
- Paginus
  
  So Christians were right, gay marriage does lead to forced homosexuality.
  
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  October 19, 2019 10:18am
JibberJabber

And still….Peak fuckwittery shows no sign of abating,
https://summit.news/2019/10/18/uk-police-investigate-transgender-being-turned-down-for-porn-role-as-a-hate-crime/
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October 19, 2019 8:10am
- David Garrett
  
  Jibber: We are living Orwell’s vision, thirty odd years later than he predicted…but even he didn’t predict that “women” with cocks had to be listened to, and their delusions acted upon.
  
  And don’t get me going on Enoch and how, if one substitutes “Muslim” for “West Indian”, he got it right too…I think beheading soldiers in the street probably qualifies as “rivers of blood”…
  
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  October 19, 2019 9:07am
  - stephieboy
    
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    UK Rivers of Blood?
    
    Paraonia and hysteria rules?
    
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    October 19, 2019 11:00am
    - The King
      
      There was a literal river of blood in ChCh a few months ago in case you missed.
      
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      October 19, 2019 12:37pm
    - JibberJabber
      
      What Planet do you live on?
      Record levels of stabbings and killings in London, wake up and smell the stench of the ideology of your murderous buddies, if you dare.
      
      THERE have now been more than 100 violent killings in London – as the bloodshed in the capital show no sign of ending.
      
      https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8104412/london-stabbings-2019-knife-crime-statistics/
      
      By all means feel free to ignore the facts cos` they don`t fit your preconceptions or maybe they do and it is what you want for the West after all.
      
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      October 19, 2019 1:00pm
    - The Proper Ghandi
      
      Ideological Subversion (vis a vis Marxist/Leninist ideology):
      “A process that is legitimate, overt and open – you can see it with your own eyes. Basically, to change the perception of every citizen to such an extent that, despite the abundance of evidence, no one is able to come to sensible conclusions in the interests of defending themselves, their families, their communities and their country…. “[re: demoralisation – one phase of the process] “Exposure to true information does not matter any more. A person who is demoralised is no longer able to assess true information – the facts tell him nothing…”
      – Yuri Bezmenov, former KGB defector and psychological warfare exponent, speaking in 1984
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3qkf3bajd4
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gnpCqsXE8g
      
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      October 19, 2019 2:11pm
- atomic drop
  
  That article goes to the heart if the issue as well – sex with trannies.
  
  Last decade or so has been “Hey trannies are people too no matter what you think of them, where is your humanity? Just be kind.”
  
  Problem is trannies can have all the civil rights and elite level approval they want. But if they are sitting home alone on a Saturday night, their dating calendar is empty except for the most thirsty of beta males (stephieboy), then the Big Lie that they are females is exposed in the most humiliating and intimate way possible.
  
  So brace for the next stage: propaganda blitz from the usual suspects – the cultural brokers/gatekeepers Hollywood, celebrity endorsement, music industry , news media etc – pushing men to have sex with trannies.
  
  If you want to shut down the virtue sniveling Progressive in your life “trans woman are real woman!” ( nearly always white females ) just ask them how many transsexuals they have dated/banged – and if not why not?
  
  Watch them squirm and wriggle.
  
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  October 19, 2019 10:59am
  - Right of way is Way of Right
    
    So, let me see if I have this right.
    
    If a man wants to have sex with a woman, and she says no, then consent is withdrawn, and if he continues to have intercourse without her consent, then he is a rapist.
    
    However, if a Trans woman wants to have sex with a man, and he says no, then he’s being transphobic and must have sex in case the trans woman has hurt feelings.
    
    Is that right? Just checking….
    
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    October 19, 2019 3:06pm
  - IC5000
    
    Sounds like you know a lot about the sex lives of trannies than many here. Did it involve extensive pornhub research.
    
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    October 19, 2019 4:39pm
- The King
  
  “We just want the right to be married”
  
  Anyone remember that before we slipped down the slope?
  
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  October 19, 2019 12:35pm
- rouppe
  
  What has happened to the practice of being a transvestite? Is that no longer a thing because they are all insisting they are women now?
  
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  October 19, 2019 2:25pm
cmm

Poor old Zim…
They refloated their currency and are back into hyper inflation.

Electricity is only available 4 hours a day in Harare. Food and fuel in short supply. 90% are unemployed.

Their population is down about 40% (people have fled to Botswana, South Africa, bloody anywhere else) but still they expect massive starvation. Zim produced 60 kT of wheat out of the 450kT they need. This is partially due to drought conditions, but is mainly due to poor farming practices and the shortage of electricity for irrigation. The government blames colonialism and climte change.

Medical facilities are short of staff and supplies. Doctors are on strike. They get paid about NZ$ 50 per month – not enough to pay bus fairs to work.

But don’t worry – Comrade Emmerson Mnangagwa has just flow to Uganda to be presented with The Pearl Of Africa award by the Ugandan President.

Things are looking up. The government promises to build new generators and synthetic fule plants. They will be exporting electricity in 5 years and fuel in 8 years…..
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October 19, 2019 8:18am
- John Warren
  
  It’s funny you know. I could have sworn the problems started with DE-colonisation.
  
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  October 19, 2019 8:44am
- kevn
  
  @cmm… The Chinese are moving into Zim big time. Infrastructure will come with them.
  It is rich in natural resources. Say no more.
  
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  October 19, 2019 9:04am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    and once the Chinese take over the locals will wish for the days of Ian Smith….
    
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    October 19, 2019 10:00am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    A lack of resources is not the problem.
    It’s the lack of management.
    
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    October 19, 2019 10:00am
  - kowtow
    
    Talking of Chinese moves.
    
    “The government of the Solomon Islands has reached a secretive deal with a Chinese company with close ties to the Communist party that grants it exclusive rights to develop Tulagi, once the seat of British colonial rule in the Pacific archipelago.
    
    The confidential arrangement has alarmed residents and raised fears that Beijing could be planning to use the tiny territory for future military rather than just commercial purposes. ”
    
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/10/17/fears-military-build-up-china-secretly-leases-entire-island/
    
    How this is not a huge story in Outta Rowa is beyond me , oh that’s right , we’ve got the best news and independant pollies who “speak truth to power” ……….
    
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    October 19, 2019 10:36am
    - virtualmark
      
      We need to dramatically build up our ability to project military presence and deterrence in the South Pacific.
      
      We are a maritime nation dependent on sea routes. We need to be able to deter countries like China from building the capacity to threaten and interrupt those trade routes.
      
      Unfortunately I have no confidence the current Government will invest in our defence. And unfortunately, I have not much more confidence that a National-led Government would either …
      
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      October 19, 2019 12:28pm
      - mark15
        
        Nah.As long as they dont cut off my facebook feed.
        Then I’ll be peeved…
        It’s all about priorities.
        
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        October 19, 2019 1:28pm
      - rouppe
        
        Even if we diverted every cent from social welfare, climate change, superannuation and health our “projection” would be slapped aside inside of a week if China decided to have a go
        
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        October 19, 2019 2:29pm
- wreck1080
  
  “Things are looking up. The government promises to build new generators and synthetic fule plants. They will be exporting electricity in 5 years and fuel in 8 years…..”
  
  Wow, how do I go about investing into these schemes? Not!
  
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  October 19, 2019 11:01am
- stephieboy
  
  cmm, oh for the good old days of UDI and Vorster etc !
  
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  October 19, 2019 11:02am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Get your countries right for a start. All you prove is your a google search monkey and clueless as to what you are reading.
    
    UDI was 1966, and the country was Rhodesia, Smith was Prime Minister.
    
    Voster was PM of the independent South Africa, which had already been expelled from the British Commonwealth. This was post Sharpville etc.
    
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    October 19, 2019 3:48pm
Simon

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John Key, whose family on mother side escapes the Holocaust, kowtowing to a vile Dictatorship that imprisons a million people along racial and religious lines.

What the fuck is he thinking?
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October 19, 2019 8:18am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Simon, what the fuck are you talking about?
  
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  October 19, 2019 8:53am
  - chaos
    
    I would say having a cry cry because Sir a John Key has a meeting with the Chinese president.
    
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    October 19, 2019 9:03am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Simon, whose family escaped the bubonic plague, Little Ice Age, WWI and WWII, and The Spanish Flu, talking shit on a blog because we have religious and racial freedom…..
    
    What the Fuck is he thinking?
    
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    October 19, 2019 9:14am
    - Tall Man
      
      Ummm, ahhh, ummm, ahhh…. not thinking…
      
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      October 19, 2019 9:59am
- chaos
  
  Awww, are you a bit constipated today so need your daily key moan. Go tell mummy she may give you a laxative
  
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  October 19, 2019 9:02am
- alloytoo
  
  He was probably wondering how Jacinda managed to piss them off so much.
  
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  October 19, 2019 9:26am
- NewInoffensiveName
  
  Not sure why this comment is getting so many thumbs down. My great grandfather died in a concentration camp. I am disgusted by politicians kissing up to China. Key’s heritage is one that should sensitise him to abhor governments that use concentration camps on their citizens. So, what the fuck are all of the China sycophants thinking?
  
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  October 19, 2019 10:16am
  - Tall Man
    
    Those comments and thoughts are your right but you have no right to control what Sir John Key or others choose to do.
    
    To avoid being considered a hypocrite I suggest you examine your life and possessions and rid yourself of anything that could be considered a Chinese manufactured product… You may not have a lot left including your undies but at least you won’t be regarded as a sanctimonious hypocrite 😉
    
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    October 19, 2019 4:04pm
  - IC5000
    
    > So, what the fuck are all of the China sycophants thinking?
    
    It’s all about the money. And these traitorous clowns dare talk about Labour being Marxists when they have their tongue right up that red star.
    
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    October 19, 2019 4:43pm
Lee C

Wait! … You mean… that there is an actual law to make Winston Peters answer a question!?

Looks like we got a policy idea for the next NZ Fist Manifesto right there…
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October 19, 2019 8:19am
- sooty
  
  How about publishing the missing COL pages!
  
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  October 19, 2019 8:24am
  - igm
    
    Do not overlook the missing $158,000. Seems media and their sycohants don’t care. Wait till many are on the streets looking for work . . . maybe then, they will realise what supporting deadbeats and socialists has done to them.
    
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    October 19, 2019 8:38am
    - Tall Man
      
      Today they measure their “relevance” by how many selfies they get with the liar you call PTPM.
      
      Any wonder they have lost relevance to the bulk of society.
      
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      October 19, 2019 9:57am
      - igm
        
        Maybe local mosques will have whip around and fund media . . . they seem to gain all the accolades handed out by their left-wing messenger friends (masquerading as journalists).
        
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        October 19, 2019 10:36am
- peterwn
  
  Winston is the one doing the suing so he has to answer relevant questions. This is a civil trial so the parties have to answer relevant questions and (unlike with a criminal accused) the judge may make adverse inferences if questions are not properly answered.
  I am a bit surprised that the Court has ruled that questions about the super payments are fair game (popcorn time!). Winston’s lawyer no doubt tried to argue they were not relevant to the trial.
  
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  October 19, 2019 8:31am
- Tall Man
  
  “NO”……..
  
  😉
  
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  October 19, 2019 9:55am
igm

Journalists are concerned they will be out of work with media per se in dire straits.
Who cares about the majority of these left-wing messengers of filth, lies, and deception?
They have totally destroyed our once respected media, in all guises, pushing their vile doctrine at the expense of the viability of their enterprises.
Glad to see advertisers have pulled away in droves and refuse to subsidise these pro-left leeches in their bid to topple decency and democracy.
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October 19, 2019 8:19am
- G152
  
  Yup.
  Time that the fake news outlets were closed down.
  Hopefully any-one buying into that mess will audit any reporters/editors better and impose some hard and fast rules as to bias and we could go back to the 50% right 50 % left that we used to have
  
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  October 19, 2019 8:33am
  - Tall Man
    
    I don’t care what their politics are as long as they report 100% truth rather than 100% “opinion”…. theirs.
    
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    October 19, 2019 10:14am
- slightlyrighty
  
  Would it be fair to say that TV Journalism in NZ has gone the same way as Zimbabwe?
  
  Destroyed by the left who have no regard for reality?
  
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  October 19, 2019 9:13am
  - Ruahine
    
    I wonder if this has been brought on because of the wrong poll results for Labour.
    
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    October 19, 2019 10:07am
HemiT

Re : “Armed Police”
They caught the chch shooter because of experienced and active police who weren’t waiting around for a black s.u.v full of special police to show up. So if it’s too dangerous normal police have to wait around now for these guys to show up , and just because they’re slightly more ‘ready’ and ‘mobile’ they still have to wait for warrants and can’t just do drug raids on a hunch -they could be wrong , really don’t think this is the answer.
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October 19, 2019 8:23am
- G152
  
  Just more excuses to permanently arm the police
  
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  October 19, 2019 8:34am
  - Tall Man
    
    They have been armed for many years, they just didn’t openly display them.
    
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    October 19, 2019 10:10am
- peterwn
  
  Actually the Christchurch incident is just where they would have been useful. The two front line police officers could only restrain the alleged offender for a relatively short period and remained at some risk and needed help fairly quickly. There was a distinct possibility that the alleged offender could have broken free and took off with a firearm.
  It is like CPR – you cannot do it indefinitely – you are wanting the Ambos to turn up as quickly as possible.
  
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  October 19, 2019 8:42am
  - Tall Man
    
    They were armed, just with significantly less fire power than tarrant.
    
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    October 19, 2019 10:12am
  - rouppe
    
    Really? A few glock and/or bushmaster rounds would have sorted any escape attempt.
    
    Remember at least one of the police members had a loaded firearm pointed at Tarrent at all times. Then cuffs were on him in short order.
    
    I don’t know what you’re on about
    
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    October 19, 2019 2:36pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Maybe it’s all for show.
  
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  October 19, 2019 9:03am
- kevn
  
  @Hemi… Better to be mufti.
  
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  October 19, 2019 9:06am
- rightoverlabour
  
  I moved from South Africa where armed police was the norm. Everyone had a pistol on the hip and an Uzi or similar in the van. At least when arseholes pulled a weapon there was a good chance the arsehole was taken away in a body bag. There are very few countries in the world that do not routinely arm the police. The biggest challenge is to actually get the guys to actually pull the trigger, as killing perps is not routine in New Zealand, and most people don’t like killing others. I did military training and know how to shoot. But I have never shot a person, and I thank God for that. Many veterans from WW2 still had psychological trauma from the killing they experienced for the rest of their lives. The biggest positive of having armed police is that it will act as a deterrent except to the most hardened criminals (who deserve to be shot).
  
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  October 19, 2019 9:23am
  - Tall Man
    
    I’d much rather they “invested” the money that this will cost in weapons training for the current officers. Five odd hours is nowhere near enough.
    
    A couple of recent incidents should clearly show that to Head Office.
    
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    October 19, 2019 9:53am
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    rightoverlabour
    While slightly tangential to the topic, you make a good point. I’m unsure if it was Peterson or some other psychologist, but I recall them saying that the PTSD the soldiers experienced was not so much due to what they saw in battle, but what they had to do in battle. When you find out what you are capable of doing in extreme situations, it’s got to be very disturbing. Those poor bastards had to do some horrific stuff to their fellow men, albeit ‘the enemy’ at the time, in order to get back alive.
    
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    October 19, 2019 10:23am
    - rightoverlabour
      
      I remember watching a US veteran being interviewed and how he recounted shooting a young german soldier. And then when he got to her he discovered she was a young girl of about 15. And he started crying once again. Words to the affect of never being able to deal with that for the rest of his life. Ther are many really good videos on youtube that deal with this. Brings into focus the real hell of war.
      
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      October 19, 2019 11:26am
  - peterwn
    
    Australian cops are visibly armed – even when checking tickets on Sydney trains.
    
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    October 19, 2019 12:46pm
- chaos
  
  They caught the guy because two police that had just been had a conference on how to deal with armed offenders got in their car with their guns and went the path they thought the shooter could travel. Our police are faced with criminals that are far better armed than they are.
  
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  October 19, 2019 9:31am
- Sofia
  
  Since 1964
  According to the Historical Dictionary of Law Enforcement, the term “SWAT” was used as an acronym for the “Special Weapons and Tactics” established as a 100-man specialized unit in 1964 by the Philadelphia Police Department in response to an alarming increase in bank robberies.
  
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  October 19, 2019 9:36am
- Tall Man
  
  Also remember that the police force is losing “senior” cops every day who are being replaced by guitar playing “woke” softies.
  
  These “new” cops will call for others to do the job rather than risk tearing a fingernail.
  
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  October 19, 2019 9:50am
  - HemiT
    
    Exactly , regular new woke police just waiting around for special ops to show up while public are left to fend for themselves..
    I too think money better invested in proper training for ALL police and not the dumbing down of them , otherwiswe we end up with these ninny cops like they do in the u.s.a.
    Anyway as @kevn says we already hav mufti..
    
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    October 19, 2019 10:34am
- igm
  
  Did you hear the sycophantic police union dork on radio yesterday . . . reckon Nash must have been behind the questions and answers, as I would doubt the union rep passed year four at school . . . he was a real goober.
  
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  October 19, 2019 10:05am
- The King
  
  They caught Tarrant because …he let them.
  
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  October 19, 2019 12:40pm
- rouppe
  
  I don’t think they’ve thought this through. Cops love a bit of action. So all you have to do is make an anonymous phone call saying you’ve seen someone with a gun in area A, and 10 minutes later do your armed crime in area B.
  
  All the black SUV’s will be on the other side of town
  
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  October 19, 2019 2:38pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Here’s a journalist who is asking some hard questions:
https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2019/10/18/how-dare-you-interfere-in-our-federal-election-greta-thunberg/
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October 19, 2019 8:25am
- John Warren
  
  A friend sent me a link to that yesterday. Very good viewing.
  
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  October 19, 2019 8:59am
- rightoverlabour
  
  We need new MAGA hats. MGGA. Make Greta Go Away.
  
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  October 19, 2019 9:25am
  - Paulus
    
    MAGA
    Make Ardern Go Away !
    
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    October 19, 2019 1:29pm
- Tall Man
  
  Although there is considerable concern that there are adults behind this naive child it should also be noted that our PTPM is also not above trotting out a child to boost her own image.
  
  As a side note, I wonder how Sir John Key would have reacted to be asked about his autobiography before he had actually achieved anything…….
  
  He actually “won” a couple of elections whereas our current amateur was awarded the “win” because she was prepared to sell out the whole of New Zealand to “what’s in it for wynston” for a chance to “socialise” New Zealand.
  
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  October 19, 2019 9:47am
  - MCos
    
    The Nats with John Key as leader never won an election outright.
    They didn’t win more votes than Labour win Muldoon was leader.
    The last NZ Government to win the majority of votes, as apposed to seats, was at the time of the Waterfront Strike almost seventy years ago.
    
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    October 19, 2019 12:18pm
    - Tall Man
      
      He “won” with a decent share of the votes and he didn’t have to lower himself to suck at “what’s in it for wynston”‘s teat… unlike our current PTPM.
      
      36% is a mandate for….. Nothing.
      
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      October 19, 2019 2:09pm
    - rouppe
      
      You can say the same about Adern and Clark.
      
      What’s your point? The electoral system is what it is. Get over it.
      
      And by the way, Key is the only prime minister to bring a party into government when he didn’t need to. Namely when National and The Maori Pay were able to form a government, he still brought in Act
      
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      October 19, 2019 2:40pm
    - Rob2
      
      Can’t believe the downticks. What is said is the truth. Might not please the Nats followers but nonetheless it is correct.
      
      The Nats. will never govern in their own right and haven’t for a long time.
      
      Key sold out Act to favour the Maori Party and look what that did for all of us.
      
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      October 19, 2019 7:22pm
- stephieboy
  
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  Hard questions about what?
  
  The nasty snides against Greta carry on,
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/aug/02/greta-thunberg-hits-back-at-andrew-bolt-for-deeply-disturbing-column
  
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  October 19, 2019 11:08am
Yvette

Jones, also Minister for Forestry, delivered a speech at the Northland Forestry Awards in Whangārei earlier this month and was accused of trying to bribe attendees into voting for his party New Zealand First.

Consequently …
Jones was supposed to be studying the Cabinet Manual on his break last week. Instead, he was snapped shooting what appears to be an AR-15 – a weapon banned here by his own Government after it was used in the Christchurch terror attacks.

And consequently …
Vision NZ leader Hannah Tamaki has posted a fake image on her Twitter account showing NZ First MP Shane Jones proudly showing off a picture of a Muslim woman riddled with bullet holes.
The original image, uploaded to Facebook by his wife Dot, showed the Regional Economic Development Minister holding up a generic target, showing off his impressive aim.
The version Tamaki tweeted however has been amended to include a woman in a black niqab, making it appear Jones was taking delight in gunning her down.

Most have an established opinion of what this says about Shane Jones.
But what of Hanah Tamaki?

And when Andrew Little gets his reported current considering of hate speech together into some form that he can share with everyone else, it will be interesting to see where – if any place – use of such a photo falls.
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October 19, 2019 8:32am
hookerphil

https://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald/news/116650572/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-puts-work-up-for-timaru-rotary-art-auction

Timaru Herald has an article about a painting that Ardern has supplied for an art auction. It is a large piece that has “To Do ” on top with
1. Everything
underneath. I think that says more about her than she realises as Nothing Important or visit Kindie may be more reality.
However in the tone of her list perhaps it could be expanded.
1A. Stop Oil & Gas Exploration
1B Ban Plastic Bags
1C Visit overseas Countries
1D Wear a scarf
1E Let Winstone walk over me.

I am sure there are others.
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October 19, 2019 8:54am
John Warren

I know I’m late to this particular party, but I’m very pleased to see that Porirua kicked out the grasping trougher Mike Tana.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/401311/leaked-email-skewed-election-results-says-outgoing-porirua-mayor
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October 19, 2019 9:05am
- Rob2
  
  Yep and Wgtn got rid of his predecessor by 54 votes. Of course, Lester will challenge it all.
  
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  October 19, 2019 7:24pm
gravedodger

@ Maggie 8.25
Just asking, should such actual reporting be on TV News does anyone think their “News” might have wider appeal?
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October 19, 2019 9:19am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Depends whether you are one of those folks who watches the news to confirm your own biases or to discover what is actually going on in the world.
  
  I tune into NZ’s TV news (Prime and TV 1) for a few minutes each evening just to see if there is anything new happening that I haven’t already heard about/read elsewhere.
  
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  October 19, 2019 10:01am
John Warren

C’mon mods! I’ve had comments stuck in purgatory for an hour now! DPF, I think the moderating structure needs revisiting. I know the mods are volunteers working for the good of us all, but something needs to be done to spread the coverage more evenly and ease the congestion at these peak times.

[Mod: we all have lives. If you want faster moderation then apply to be one and help out]
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October 19, 2019 9:31am
- mikenmildagain
  
  When I offered to help I was told there were sufficient moderators. If that’s changed, I’m still happy to help.
  
  [You’d have to ask DPF but that is this mods standard reply to people complaining]
  
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  October 19, 2019 9:54am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I don’t want to ask again – I have issues with rejection.
    
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    October 19, 2019 9:59am
    - rightoverlabour
      
      so why do you post so much crap here?
      
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      October 19, 2019 11:18am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        *whoosh*
        
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        October 19, 2019 12:54pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        Gotta say – this is a sharp answer. Devastating! Noone would ever pick you for a grumpy right-wing old fart ..
        
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        October 19, 2019 12:59pm
  - Tall Man
    
    mikey I actually thought you already were…
    
    A number of my posts pointing out that you are a whiny bugger were deleted without comment…..
    
    Perhaps the mods need to take this on board
    
    “But that may be about to change. A recent article in the Wall Street Journal reports that some therapists have decided that complaining clients have actually had too much sympathy. They need something else from the “helping profession.””
    
    😉
    
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    October 19, 2019 10:06am
  - All_on_Red
    
    ‘So keen to get a small number of people to help approve comments. It’s very easy. There is a pending approval queue and you just click on approve or trash.
    You don’t have to be a commenter yourself. You should ideally have never had a strike or a history of getting into flamewars with others.’
    
    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/03/moderators_sought.html
    
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    October 19, 2019 10:12am
    - nasska
      
      …..”You should ideally have never had a strike or a history of getting into flamewars with others”…..
      
      Now I remember why I didn’t put my hand up! 🙂
      
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      October 19, 2019 10:20am
      - rightoverlabour
        
        #metoo
        
        Just so we don’t forget
        
        Piss off, twats.
        
        Stephieboy
        Mikewhatever the flavour of the month
        Morrisey
        Griff
        William of ockham
        Ztev
        William whatever..
        
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        October 19, 2019 11:15am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I think both you and I would make excellent moderators, nasska.
        Wairarapa-Bush FTW over North Otago this afternoon.
        
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        October 19, 2019 11:53am
      - Morrissey
        
        Piss off, twats. Stephieboy, Mikewhatever the flavour of the month, Morrisey, Griff, William of ockham, Ztev, William whatever..
        
        Sorry mate, but I’m here, and I’m not gonna go away.
        
        https://media1.tenor.com/images/a9cc3580aec0f713a4e53f3bc2489f19/tenor.gif?itemid=3528631
        
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        October 19, 2019 12:26pm
      - rightoverlabour
        
        @Morrisey – I’m not your “mate”. Never will be. My mates are intelligent, hardworking people. Not the likes of you with doubtfull psychological profiles at best and a worrying interest in perversion at worst.
        
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        October 19, 2019 2:00pm
- John Warren
  
  My reply to that is that you put your hand up to do the job. Therefore you should do it, without making weak excuses.
  
  I have volunteer responsibilities in a couple of clubs I belong to. People rely on me to organise stuff. I simply can’t say “Oh, sorry, but I have a life too.”
  
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  October 19, 2019 12:25pm
- MCos
  
  You can always stop Mister David in the street and cross his palm with silver.
  
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  October 19, 2019 1:35pm
- Rob2
  
  Didn’t need it for 15 years so why do we need it now?
  
  Some of us are grown up and pay our taxes.
  
  Who needs lefties to run our lives. Other than the moderators?
  
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  October 19, 2019 7:27pm
Hugh Pavletich

CHRISTCHURCH CENTRAL EAST … DEVELOPMENT FIASCO …

Concern at sluggish sales of central Christchurch’s east frame homes … Liz McDonald … The Press

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/116622036/concern-at-sluggish-sales-of-central-christchurchs-east-frame-homes

Paulson (Pavletich) comment on thread (in moderation) …

As the Westpac Dwelling Preference Survey of some months ago found, Kiwis overwhelmingly prefer detached housing with a backyard.

Obviously … the more affordable the better.

The 3 monthly IPSOS Issues Monitors have consistently found housing affordability is THE major public policy issue by a country mile. The recent Newshub Reid Research and TVNZ Colmar Brunton Polls have sent a clear message to the current government that its survival is dependent on them solving the housing affordability issue.

Residential development dreamers can expect to be severely punished going forward. Thank you The Press for bringing this important Treasury Report to light.
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Survey finds Kiwis’ backyard dream still alive and well (Westpac Bank) … Scoop New Zealand

http://business.scoop.co.nz/2019/05/28/survey-finds-kiwis-backyard-dream-still-alive-and-well/
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October 19, 2019 9:42am
rightoverlabour

Thank God for blogs….

http://joannenova.com.au/2019/10/the-guardian-pledge-to-be-a-non-stop-propaganda-sheet-for-the-climate-industry/
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October 19, 2019 9:54am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Too true. Without a blog, there’s not much chance of Joanne Nova propagating her gibberish in scientific journals (that publish actual science), or in media that value standards of accuracy.
  
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  October 19, 2019 10:04am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    And what do you publish? Have you ever seen Joanne Nova’s blog site? She’s much more able than most. That include published academics–sociologists in particular who think they are the bees knees in climate science.
    
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    October 19, 2019 1:03pm
    - rightoverlabour
      
      One of the best blog sites around IMHO.
      
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      October 19, 2019 1:56pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Oh, this is priceless:
  
  The Guardian Guide to mangling language:
  They want to be scientifically precise which is why they will stop using partial ambiguous hyperbole, and opt for pure hyperbole instead:
  
  1.) “climate emergency” or “climate crisis” to be used instead of “climate change”
  
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  October 19, 2019 10:08am
  - Doc Holliday
    
    The IPCC report suggests “emergency” and “crisis” are the right words. Perhaps you don’t understand the science.
    
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    October 19, 2019 10:54am
    - The Proper Ghandi
      
      Doc Holliday
      They would say that, wouldn’t they. Otherwise, the agenda won’t get implemented.
      
      They tell us ‘the science is settled’. Then, why are we still funding research into AGW, if it is irrefutable? The answer is $$$$$$$. There is not much dosh in saying all will be well. Scientists have mortgages too, you know.
      
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      October 19, 2019 12:32pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      You have extracted those words from a list. Try adding context.
      The UNIPCC have explicitly denied being able to make meaningful predictions so why are they continuing?
      
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      October 19, 2019 1:06pm
    - Ed Snack
      
      So you agree with the IPCC ? Agree that the IPCC report itself says that there’s no statistical justification for claiming any increase in “extreme” weather events ?
      
      Or just the “summary for pol;icy makers” that is NOT written by scientists but by political provocateurs with multiple axes to grind ?
      
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      October 19, 2019 1:11pm
  - Morrissey
    
    You think there’s not an emergency, Maggy? Oh that’s right, you haunt those anti-science sites, so it’s hardly a surprise.
    
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    October 19, 2019 12:07pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      If there was an emergency (local or national), Morrissey… I wouldn’t be sitting here now.
      I’d be on duty at my local CDEM headquarters.
      
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      October 19, 2019 1:32pm
    - rightoverlabour
      
      Define an anti – science site. I read many of the alarmist stuff and the sceptical stuff so that I can weight the evidence and form a conclusion. Right now there seems to be a massive debate on the actual physical processes that allow heat to be trapped by gasses in the atmosphere. The Greenhouse analogy is seriously flawed (for one thing there is no big fucking piece of glass covering the atmosphere) and there is quite a bit of debate around saturation. Some even argue that increased CO2 results in cooling.
      
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      October 19, 2019 1:55pm
    - Rob2
      
      Morrisey, just for you.
      
      https://ysb.co.nz/best-explanation-ever/
      Have a read on your way to bed. Take it slowly because its science and we would not want you to miss the science and the conclusion.
      
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      October 19, 2019 7:32pm
- kowtow
  
  Indeed.
  
  This month a significant anniversary.
  
  ” Happy 25th year, blogging. You’ve grown up, but social media is still having a brawl, writes John Naughton.
  Earlier this month was a significant anniversary in the evolution of the web. It was 25 years to the day since the first serious blog appeared. It was called Scripting News and the url was (and remains) at scripting.com.
  
  Its author is a software wizard named Dave Winer, who’s updated it every day since 1994. ”
  
  https://www.odt.co.nz/opinion/blogs-still-among-our-best-information
  
  And to back that up , with all this Brexit “news” the most informative thing I’ve found on it is from a blog . not the “news”
  
  https://facts4eu.org/news/2019_oct_eu_treaty_for_uk_colonisation?fbclid=IwAR00kxqRZAy9MnHs9EZGdEXWVe96p8WMINcGjdzyut9VetLXnK9FO4GowbU#
  
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  October 19, 2019 10:47am
- stephieboy
  
  “She downplays the funding she and other denialists receive from the Heartland Institute and the Science and Public Policy Institute.”
  
  https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Joanne_Nova
  
  Why?
  
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  October 19, 2019 11:17am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    The true deniers must be those who cannot comprehend they could be wrong–cranky socialists who are always directed by some higher personal authority.
    
    Rational people do not follow the leader except after exercise of judgement.
    
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    October 19, 2019 1:10pm
- John Warren
  
  I used to like the Guardian, despite its tilt to the left. However for this reason, and others, I’ve cancelled my “contribution” and now pass them over. The second to last straw was the descent of the Books section, long my favourite, into a whingefest of man-hating social justice campaigning feminist/”coloured” authors writing “topical” novels. Ugh… shudder.
  
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  October 19, 2019 12:40pm
Gandolfo

“If buttercups buzz’d after the bee
If boats were on land, churches on sea
If ponies rode men and if grass ate the cows
And cats should be chased into holes by the mouse
If the mamas sold their babies
To the Gypsies for half a crown
If summer were spring
And the other way ’round
Then all the world would be upside down!”

Well, it is isn’t it…..I drink to that….and the same gain please barman!
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October 19, 2019 10:02am
rightoverlabour

Very sad when the universities destroy the pursuit of scientific truth.

http://joannenova.com.au/2019/10/a-climate-of-fear-on-campus-susan-crockford-polar-bear-expert-excommunicated/

The danger from the Climate Change is not that the weather will make it impossible to live but that freedom of expression and the pursuit of scientific truth will be destroyed by zealots with their own political agenda.
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October 19, 2019 10:06am
- Doc Holliday
  
  Why not visit science sites, like NASA?
  
  What do you hope to learn from cranks?
  
  Incidentally, Crockford is not an expert on Polar bear habitat. Not that you would need to be to an expert to understand they need ice to hunt and the ice is decreasing year-on-year.
  
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  October 19, 2019 10:58am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Incidentally, Crockford is far more an expert on Polar Bears than you or any of the fools who pontificate on how endangered they are.
    
    Keep posting Doc, we love to see derangement exhibited so obviously.
    
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    October 19, 2019 1:12pm
  - kowtow
    
    Don’t you have a corral to go to ?
    
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    October 19, 2019 1:25pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Hmm, now I wonder how they survived the Holocene Altithermal? Went on Holiday? If you are going to argue science, learns some basic facts. And, NASA can be wrong. Ask any of the families of Astronauts that didn’t quite get back to earth alive….
    
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    October 19, 2019 1:49pm
  - JackRabbit
    
    @Doc Holliday
    
    I’ve followed NASA for decades, and been to their website.
    
    NASA = Never A Straight Answer
    
    NASA claimed for years that the Antarctic ice was rapidly diminishing, and it was on their website.
    
    About 3 or 4 years ago, and also published on their website, NASA admitted that Antarctic ice was increasing. The reason ? They were only monitoring the Eastern icesheet, not the western icesheet, which was increasing at a far faster rate than the East was decreasing.
    
    Dumb and dumber.
    
    You can download the stats from any NZ tidal gauge data (I have) and it shows less than 1.6mm per year increase in sea level rise. NASA tell us its about 3.2mm? UM, the f-tards doing this work forgot to divide by 2 because the satellites took the total diameter of sea level rise. No-one has put their hand up to admit this cock-up.
    
    There are other numerous goof-ups by NASA but those two are a start.
    
    PS. The Arctic ice is NOT decreasing year on year.
    Stop regurgitating propaganda and use your noggin!
    
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    October 19, 2019 2:20pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Perhaps the Antarctic should tease the greentards by one or more of the 93 volcanos living there getting a bit puffed up. Real warming from under the sea is possible.
      
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      October 19, 2019 6:42pm
Tall Man

An interesting article. Makes one wonder why now.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/10/national-mp-mark-mitchell-opens-up-about-the-toll-of-mental-health-on-the-frontline-and-within-family.html
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October 19, 2019 10:22am
- Brian McDonald
  
  Deputy Leader?
  
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  October 19, 2019 12:08pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Not sure but it is at an interesting time.
    
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    October 19, 2019 1:58pm
wreck1080

Tauranga’s criminal justice facilities are so inadequate that it can take over 2 1/2 years to go to trial….do they keep these people in jail while they wait? (as frequently happens in the US). . .

Justice Brewer made the comments at a pre-trial hearing in Tauranga High Court earlier this week for Andrew Alan William, 53, and his 30-year-old partner Laken Maree Rose.

The pair have denied a raft of alleged sexual crimes against children aged between 3 and 15 years, which includes joint charges of indecent assaults and rape of children under 12.

They have also pleaded not guilty to charges of making objectionable publications and possession of objectionable publications which relate to allegedly recording the acts.

“Unfortunately the most I can do is set down a four-week standby trial fixture in Hamilton High Court to begin on November 16, 2020, and if that cannot go ahead, a confirmed trial date on February 8, 2021,” Justice Brewer told Rose and Williams.
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October 19, 2019 11:13am
Swifty

For cmm:

https://nopunchespulled.com/2019/09/16/memories-of-mugabe/
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October 19, 2019 11:15am
stephieboy

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On line cowards do their filthy things,

Online haters are targeting Greta Thunberg with conspiracy theories and fake photos

“Greta Thunberg, the 16-year-old Swedish climate activist who spoke so passionately before the United Nations last week, is the target of a flood of online abuse and scores of misinformation and conspiracy theories. Climate change deniers seek to discredit her, climate science in general and those who speak about it.

For the record, she is not: mentally ill, a supporter of the Islamic State terrorist group or financier George Soros’ granddaughter. Her father does not live in Germany with a boyfriend and her mother is not a Satanic lesbian who teaches teenagers about abortion. …”

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/10/02/climate-change-activist-greta-thunberg-targeted-online-trolls/3843196002/
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October 19, 2019 11:15am
- John Warren
  
  This is Stephiegoat’s subtle way of conflating anybody with a shred of scepticism about climate change with vile trolling. It’s a very left tactic.
  
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  October 19, 2019 12:43pm
- The King
  
  “the hacker known as 4chan”
  
  hahaha
  
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  October 19, 2019 12:45pm
- Swifty
  
  This coming from Kiwiblog’s Number 1 cowardly troll.
  
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  October 19, 2019 2:32pm
- JackRabbit
  
  @stephieboy
  
  All the hallmark indicators are visible to see, that Greta has been heavily programmed, and is little more than a human wind up toy.
  
  If you took notice of Greta’s mannerisms and body language it is all too telling. The clip where she sees Trump, she descends in an uncontrollable Dr Evil sneer. That’s programming. Hell, if they had injected a biological explosive into her blood stream, she would have exploded, on cue.
  
  The fact that she prattled on like the evil twin brother of Data on Star Trek Next Generation, and didn’t engage in rational debate. That’s programming.
  
  Greta has been force fed and systematically indoctrinated with a Climate Change obsession, which is easily done with an Aspergers or Autistic child.
  
  She is nothing more than a programmed automaton who is irrational, and who couldn’t rationally think if her life depended on it.
  
  If she genuinely understood the science, she would also understand and be an expert in the Scientific Method (its a noun) which is based on inductive thinking. Greta has no visible attributes that are concomitant with someone who has mastered the Scientific Method. It can take decades to master the thinking of the Scientific Method, which is why most scientific breakthrough were made by scientists in later years.
  
  By observation most self proclaimed climate change scientists don’t know the Scientific Method.
  
  Greta is simply a child that has been brainwashed and indoctrinated. Get over it.
  
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  October 19, 2019 2:39pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  On line cowards do their filthy things…
  
  I guess you’d know more about what it takes to be an online coward than most stephie; just sayin’.
  
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  October 19, 2019 3:19pm
- emmess
  
  She is mentally ill
  She has even admitted it herself in public
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAmmUIEsN9A
  
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  October 19, 2019 4:55pm
JibberJabber

Parasite is as a Parasite does…
An MP asking for financial help for childcare

ttps://twitter.com/James_80_/status/1185187195461820417
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October 19, 2019 11:21am
Steve Todd

This is an interesting story from the Bay of Plenty:
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/400976/eastern-bop-dhb-representation-at-risk.

Mike Hosking referred to the matter raised here, on his show yesterday morning.

For the purposes of my response, below, to the issues raised in the RNZ link, let’s set aside the question of whether or not some DHB members should be elected. (In this regard, see DPF’s Post ‘I agree with Goff’.)

As we all know, the seven elected members of each of our 20 DHBs (except for the Southern DHB) are elected at-large, i.e., from across the entire DHB area, by STV. That means each successful candidate will have attained 12.5% of the votes cast (100 / 8 = 12.5%), to be elected.

In 2016, voters in the Eastern Bay elected two candidates to the Bay of Plenty DHB, and a third person from that part of the BoP was appointed. Unfortunately, this time, Eastern Bay voters only elected one candidate, and that guy, Ian Finch, now plans “to petition Health Minister David Clark and local MPs Kiri Allan, Tamati Coffey and Anne Tolley to ensure appointed DHB members hailed from the Eastern Bay.”

Six candidates from the Eastern Bay stood for election, but only Mr Finch was successful. One of the five unsuccessful candidates, Mawera Karetai, is “‘extremely concerned about the lack of representation for the Eastern Bay.’

“She believes a ward system should be looked at, like district and regional council elections, to ensure all regions receive fair representation.

“‘Representation matters,’ Ms Karetai said.”

Well, yes it does, and that is one of the reasons why DHB candidates are elected at-large, to ensure that each ‘constituency’ of a DHB has every opportunity to elect at least one candidate.

In now advocating for a ‘ward’ system, Ms Karetai is essentially saying she wants two guaranteed members – no doubt, from the voting figures, including herself – to represent the Eastern Bay; for such representation to be simply handed to that ‘constituency’ on a plate.

STV is a system of proportional representation. Unlike FPP, where you can abstain from voting and still get what you want, with STV, if you want something you must vote for it. If you don’t vote, you are likely to miss out to those who *do* vote – and that is exactly as it should be.

The fact that the people of the Eastern Bay rejected five of the six candidates on offer – four of them were always going to be unsuccessful, based on population and voter participation – suggests three things. The candidates, other than Ian Finch, did not appeal to Eastern Bay voters; or that the voter participation rate in the Eastern Bay was lower than elsewhere in the Bay; or that getting *two* elected members last time was a pleasant ‘aberration’. Or perhaps it was a combination of all three!

In this regard, it is noted that “Nearly 70,000 voting documents were sent to voters across the Bay, of these 7788 were returned blank with no votes made for DHB members.” How many of those 7,788 blank returns were from Eastern Bay voters, I wonder? And were there disproportionally more blank returns from the Eastern Bay than from elsewhere in the Bay?

The answer to Ms Karetai’s concerns is staring her in the face: next time, she, along with others, must impress upon her ‘constituents’ the importance of voting, and, in the meantime, potential DHB candidates in 2022 must get out there and make themselves known to Eastern Bay voters.

In addition, next time, Eastern Bay candidates should get this message out to voters: to ensure we get our fair share of representation, you should, if at all possible, rank-order the Eastern Bay-based candidates, 1, 2, 3, 4, …, before, if you so choose, rank-ordering Tauranga- and Rotorua-based candidates, …, 5, 6, 7, etc.

A ‘ward’ system would only ensure half or more of Eastern Bay voters would be unrepresented on the DHB by someone they voted for, and that successful candidates would often be elected unopposed, as happens regularly with the Māori constituencies of the BoP Regional Council (albeit under FPP).
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October 19, 2019 11:40am
Kabull

An interesting narrative by Bruce Moon* setting the record straight about land confiscation and theft. (I hadn’t appreciated that none of the South Island was confiscated, and that Ngai Tahu willingly sold most of it.)
Of particular interest is the quoted letter from Rev Samuel Ironside setting out his observations from living in NZ from 1839 – 1852. In his last para he (Ironside) says:
“I speak … of things coming under my own observation, as a missionary. I lived from 1855 to 1858 in Taranaki, where the late unhappy war raged; and was an eye-witness of the patience with which the settlers there bore repeated instances of outrage, and insult, and wrong at the hands of the natives. I hope I shall not be chargeable with want of sympathy with the natives of New Zealand in thus writing…
But I cannot justify the rebellions in their present course, and I cannot allow the emigrants to New Zealand to be charged with fault of which they are wholly innocent, without replying to those charges.”

https://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/2019/10/bruce-moon-looking-at-land.html
(* I know Moon’s views are often regarded as controversial, but his research is sound.)
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October 19, 2019 11:43am
Manolo

The uber corrupt Mrs Clinton has gone mad:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/oct/18/hillary-clinton-hints-russia-is-grooming-tulsi-gabbard-as-third-party-candidate

Hillary Clinton has said Russia, which interfered in the US election she lost in 2016, is “grooming” a Democratic candidate for a third-party run next year, signalling she believes congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard could fill the role.
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October 19, 2019 11:48am
- Tall Man
  
  Gone or now displaying her madness….
  
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  October 19, 2019 1:48pm
- chaos
  
  Grooming, a word Hillary and Bill know a lot about
  
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  October 19, 2019 2:23pm
- Rob2
  
  POLITICSBREAKING: 11-Count Indictment Handed Down in Russian Bribery Case Involving Uranium One. Clinton, Obama, Mueller, Comey, McCabe, Rosenstein, Holder, Lynch Facing Criminal Prosecution
  
  https://conservativepost.com/breaking-11-count-indictment-handed-down-in-russian-bribery-case-involving-uranium-one-clinton-obama-mueller-comey-mccabe-rosenstein-holder-lynch-facing-criminal-prosecution/
  
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  October 19, 2019 8:41pm
ex-golfer

May I remind you of the Saul Alinsky 8 step programme:

1. Healthcare – control healthcare and you control the people.

2. Poverty – Increase the poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you provide everything for them to live. CHECK

3. Debt – Increase the debt level to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes and this will produce more poverty.

4. Gun control – Remove the ability to defend themselves from government. That way you are able to create a police state. CHECK

5. Welfare – Take control of every aspect (food, housing, income) of their lives because that will make them fully dependent on the government. CHECK

6. Education – Take control of what people read and listen to and take control or what children learn in school. CHECK

7. Religion – Remove belief in God from the government and schools because the people need to believe in only the government knowing what is best for the people. CHECK

8. Class warfare – Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. Eliminate the middle class. CHECK

Seems Comrade Ardern is well on her way.
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October 19, 2019 11:50am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Who wrote her Honours thesis on Saul Alinskey?
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Rodham_senior_thesis#/media/File:Cover_sheet_of_Hillary_Rodham's_senior_thesis.png
  
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  October 19, 2019 12:04pm
- The King
  
  I’ve read everything from the prison notebooks by Gramsci to the Communist manifesto i know Marxism better than most Marxists.
  
  If you study Wiemar Germany it gives you better understanding of whats happening, its the same people running the same tricks, every curtain you pull there’s that [religious group] ( Saul Alinsky is one of them) behind it….
  
  They taught Nelson Mandela
  They taught Mao
  They taught Ardren at the world socialist youth boot camp
  
  We are at about 1925, the degeneracy is in its early stages so we will have to endure a few more years of Alinskyites like Ardern who thinks of herself as a Rosa Luxemburg.
  
  Personally i want another 3 more years of Ardern, the money will run dry, and with talk of police doing armed patrols just like Wiemar i’m suspecting the ‘comrades’ won’t be relinquishing power through that silly voting system. Yeah laugh, the Germans laughed too, then Communists almost took over Germany in 1918-1919 revolution, they weren’t laughing after that.
  
  People forget Ardern and most politicians spend their entire lives studying political systems like Communism.
  
  Anybody who views Arden as a weak slumbering fragile woman should remember this is exactly what she wants you to think. You’re being fooled she’s cold,calculating and 100% Marxist.
  
  Go watch that video again of her talking to her comrades, shes not stuttering, shes a Marxist leader giving a Stalin like speech to her people.
  
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  October 19, 2019 1:30pm
  - MCos
    
    So you know all about Marxism & now everyone you disagree with is a Marxist.
    
    “Give a small boy a hammer, and he will find that everything he encounters needs pounding.”
    The law of the instrument
    Abraham Kaplan
    
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    October 19, 2019 2:27pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      @MCos
      
      People of principle first learn what is right and wrong and then agree or disagree based on those principles.
      
      People of no principles decide what they like and dislike based on how they feel, and then decide what they agree or disagree with.
      
      Since you have not followed The King’s logic, you probably belong to the second group and therefore judge others as having the same sloppy and inverted thinking processes as yourself, as evidenced by your illogical and assumptive statement:> “So you know all about Marxism & now everyone you disagree with is a Marxist.”
      
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      October 19, 2019 3:17pm
    - The King
      
      I disagree with non-Marxists more, because they don’t know how to swing the hammer against Cultural Marxism, there’s only one solution for Marxists, there is no reasoning with them, even Stalin eventually figured that out.
      
      Nice jew quote.
      
      “Give a jew a hammer and he will hand it to a Mao or Mandela and give everyone he doesn’t like a good pounding” – The King.
      
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      October 19, 2019 3:38pm
  - JackRabbit
    
    @The King
    
    All good points.
    
    >>>Anybody who views Arden as a weak slumbering fragile woman should remember this is exactly what she wants you to think. You’re being fooled she’s cold,calculating and 100% Marxist.
    
    Never a truer word said about [Deleted – Mod]
    
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    October 19, 2019 3:00pm
Morrissey

Take the guns off the morons.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/10/gun-owners-pin-hopes-on-nz-first.html
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October 19, 2019 12:02pm
- kowtow
  
  Anyone pinning any hopes on NZF for anything other than a kick in the nuts from Winston First is severely deluded.
  
  They clearly weren’t paying attention when NZF commended the police drafted bill to committee stage .
  
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  October 19, 2019 1:05pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  You talking about yourself?
  
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  October 19, 2019 1:41pm
- Swifty
  
  Fascist.
  
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  October 19, 2019 2:35pm
chaos

The idiot deputy prime minister has opened his mouth. If you like them or not does not matter, these are people who could be loosing their job and as deputy corrupt prime minister you should give a damn

* Winston Peters says ‘good riddance’ to Three after sale announcement

“It was announced yesterday certain sections of them are going, and are they shocked?” he said, to a mixed response from the crowd.

“Now I’m sorry for some of them because they deserve to stay, but for some of them: good riddance.”*

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/10/winston-peters-says-good-riddance-to-three-after-sale-announcement.html
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October 19, 2019 12:10pm
- Tall Man
  
  How to win friends and influence people.
  
  He really is a self centred piece of shit.
  
  He’ll just con a whole new bunch of voters who will be disappointed in 2021 like the idiots from 2017… hows that “keeping National honest lark” working for you?
  
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  October 19, 2019 1:44pm
  - chaos
    
    Well he can’t run with we will keep labour honest because not even god himself could do that
    
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    October 19, 2019 2:22pm
  - MCos
    
    Disparaging a group of voters is not a good idea as Clinton found out.
    A lot of people down through the years have been quite happy to let charismatic, populist leaders do their thinking for them, but they won’t admit it.
    
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    October 19, 2019 4:39pm
chaos

Has New Zealand first got a possible new voter base or gun owners would you not vote for them no matter what?

* Disgruntled firearm owners are set to descend on a New Zealand First convention in Christchurch.

They’re hoping the party will advocate for them and push for the Arms (Prohibited Firearms, Magazines and Parts) Amendment Bill to crack down on criminals, not them.

According to Police Minister Stuart Nash, the Bill will “remove semi-automatic firearms from circulation and use by the general population in New Zealand by prohibiting semi-automatic firearms, magazines, and parts that can be used to assemble prohibited firearms”.

Gathering organiser Sam Kircher says the majority of the firearms community isn’t happy with the Bill.

“We’re going to have a bit of a rally to show our support for NZ First and hope they will reciprocate in voting down this Bill that’s going through.”*

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/10/gun-owners-pin-hopes-on-nz-first.html
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October 19, 2019 12:16pm
- ex-golfer
  
  FFS – is this a new bunch of “we’ll vote NZ First to keep National honest” voters?
  Have they been living under a rock?
  ACT is the only party that voted against the ridiculous gun buy-back legislation.
  
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  October 19, 2019 12:35pm
  - kowtow
    
    As per above these guys are complete morons and clearly missed NZF commending the bill to committee stage.
    
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    October 19, 2019 1:06pm
- Tall Man
  
  “We’re going to have a bit of a rally to show our support for NZ First and hope they will reciprocate in voting down this Bill that’s going through.”
  
  How fucking naive and stupid are some people?
  
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  October 19, 2019 1:37pm
  - chaos
    
    Extremely is the answer.
    
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    October 19, 2019 1:51pm
  - Gravelroad
    
    You cannot believe one word these NZ First people say.
    Last election they had a very slick and cynical media person who wrote and dispatched PR releases two or three times per week.
    They were cleverly persuasive and sounded sensible and credible – just what a lot of older, regionally based people wanted to hear.
    Many believed the promises and rhetoric contained in those messages and voted accordingly.
    They were sucked in by a very manipulative outfit and I imagine a lot of laughs were had at their expense as the support for Winston 1st grew.
    I don’t know any of those supporters who forwarded on to us here the regular puff pieces featuring Winston the Saviour who have any belief left in him now whatsoever. They know they were used and thrown aside.
    Will they be fooled again next time is the question.
    Winston Peters is nothing but a snake oil salesman.
    
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    October 19, 2019 2:11pm
- chaos
  
  Hmmm, a different take than news hub
  
  * Winston Peters has met with gun protesters outside his party conference in Christchurch.
  
  The demonstrators are angry at New Zealand First’s support for the Government’s gun reforms, including the ban on assualt-style semi-automatic weapons. *
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/116713946/winston-peters-meets-frustrated-gun-protesters-at-new-zealand-first-conference
  
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  October 19, 2019 2:00pm
kevn

@chaos… whinney is a shocker isn’t he. Must have had a few drinks on board and then show the crowd how ‘smart and witty’ he is.
Clown circus promoter.
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October 19, 2019 12:28pm
- Happychappy
  
  But Kevn that won’t stop the idiots voting they only have to hear Winston Peter’s spout one word and they are on their knees praying for the bitter twisted areshole, giving there assurances they will vote for him.
  
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  October 19, 2019 1:22pm
- chaos
  
  Maybe he is mixing his meds with alcohol.
  
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  October 19, 2019 1:52pm
- david
  
  Must have had a few shots of that award-winning brew “Old Rugby Injury” before the event.
  
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  October 19, 2019 4:52pm
JibberJabber

The pompous elitist XR are about to find out it does not pay to piss off the peasants that have to work for a living,
https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/10/17/finally-a-rebellion-against-extinction-rebellion/
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October 19, 2019 2:03pm
kris

Time we ceased spending $50M on the UN, which has just given Venezuela a seat on the UN Human Rights Council, alongside other paragons of human rights, such as Somalia, Sudan, Eritrea, Pakistan, Afghanistan and Qatar….
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October 19, 2019 2:41pm
KH

Looks like Trump has done brillantly in Syria. Probably a few tens of thousands will get killed yet. But thats better than a couple of million.
Of course if Obama and Hillary Clinton hadn’t kicked off the trouble from 2012 another million would be alive today.
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October 19, 2019 2:58pm
chaos

* French intelligence services thwart ‘9-11-style terror attack’

A terror plot inspired by the 9/11 attack on the World Trade Centre in New York has been foiled by the French intelligence services.

One person is being held in custody in France on preliminary terrorism charges after apparently planning a September 11-style plane hijacking and attack.

According to French paper Le Parisien, the suspect was looking for a weapon to hijack a plane.

Interior Minister Christophe Castaner said on France-2 television on Thursday night that the person was arrested on 26 September while “in the process of planning” such an attack.*

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/france-terror-attack-911-christophe-castaner-isis-islamic-terror-a9160986.html
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October 19, 2019 3:30pm
- DigNap15
  
  As I’ve said before the security services need to back off.
  Europe needs a few really big hits to wake them up to the threat from those terrorists from a religion that is not Christian.
  
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  October 19, 2019 4:24pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I see you got some upticks for your eagerness to welcome a major terrorist attack.
    
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    October 19, 2019 4:56pm
    - DigNap15
      
      Well its the only way to wake up the sickly white liberals in Europe that are pro immigration from these countries.
      
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      October 19, 2019 6:53pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

This morning we had a visit to Whenuapai Air Force Base to pick up my Grandson. He just completed a 6 week LSV (Limited Service Volunteer) Course so they do a march out at Whenuapai. Man these kids have changed their outlook. They have made new friends and learned so much. Run by MSD. Congratulations to all involved.
Edited for spelling
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October 19, 2019 3:53pm
chaos

The one MP in labour who would actually know, you should pay attention Jacinda.

* The prime minister has dismissed comments from Labour MP Raymond Huo as “personal opinion” after he claimed National was better at NZ-China relations.

This week Huo made a public post in praise of former National leader Sir John Key’s visit to Chinese president Xi Jinping, saying it created a “huge positive vibe” in the Chinese community.

“My friends who are National supporters sent me the story to declare ‘here we are,'” Huo said.

….

“It is a fair comment that National is at Masters’ level and other parties are still doing 101, willingly or otherwise.”

On Saturday, a spokesperson for Jacinda Ardern said Huo was “stating a personal opinion” when he made the comments.*

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/116715353/labour-mp-raymond-huo-says-his-party-is-falling-behind-on-dealings-with-china
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October 19, 2019 3:57pm
- Tall Man
  
  I see a frowny face in his immediate future.
  
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  October 19, 2019 4:05pm
  - kowtow
    
    Nah , each major party has their own United Front man making sure the parties stay on message , this is just Raymond reminding the PM to keep onside or indeed to up her game.
    
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    October 19, 2019 5:08pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  It’s really tough after everything the Labour Party has been doing to suck up to Beijing to have their own tame Chicom slag them off for not being as obsequious as the National Party.
  
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  October 19, 2019 4:58pm
- Surely Knott
  
  Is it just me or has his twitter page been removed? And his Facebook page has no public comments. Just a couple of profile pics. Ouch!
  
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  October 19, 2019 6:45pm
  - chaos
    
    It’s just you
    
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    October 20, 2019 7:32am
JibberJabber

I gotta say these XR scum boil my piss,
https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1185329183209033728

There is a soundproof cavity in the human body where they can have their megaphones inserted for free.
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October 19, 2019 5:07pm
- JibberJabber
  
  And yet there`s more, another angle from yesterdays one,
  
  https://twitter.com/RitaPanahi/status/1185379279644721152
  
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  October 19, 2019 6:34pm
kevn

@Jibber… Bit of manhandling, bring it on.
Pussies with small megaphones (and brains).
Aren’t they in Soros pay pocket?
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October 19, 2019 5:43pm
Hugh Pavletich

CHINA … OFFICE VACANCIES …

China Office Vacancies Reach Decade High on Slowing Economy … Bloomberg

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-10-17/china-office-vacancies-reach-decade-high-on-slowing-economy

China’s deepening economic slowdown and a glut of supply has pushed the nation’s office vacancy rate to the highest since at least 2008.

The vacancy rate in 17 major cities climbed to 21.5% in the third quarter, according to CBRE Group Inc. The “spike” in vacancies this year is the worst since the depths of the global financial crisis a decade ago, said Sam Xie, the firm’s head of research in China.

Lights Out
China’s office-vacancy rate has climbed to the highest in least a decade. … read more via hyperlink above …
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Office Vacancies In China Hit Decade High Amid Economic Turmoil … Zerohedge

https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/office-vacancies-china-hit-decade-high-amid-economic-turmoil

China’s office market sees highest vacancy rate in a decade … Financial Times

https://www.ft.com/content/edce2600-f0a0-11e9-ad1e-4367d8281195
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October 19, 2019 5:53pm
chaos

Aww poor Winston, attack tv3 and you will have the media against you.

* Cantankerous Winston Peters digs deep against National, MediaWorks and gun owners at NZ First conference

Winston Peters left the New Zealand First Conference today to chat to fed up gun owners protesting outside.

In true Peters fashion he kicked off his party’s annual get together by lambasting the National Party and the media but this time he crossed a line, making light of the sale of MediaWorks TV and the 520 jobs now on the line.

But it didn’t take long for cantankerous Peters to emerge, first having a crack at the National Party, “don’t give them, unless they’re reformed, another chance”.

Then came the classic anti-media rhetoric and attacking of the polls, demanding that any journalist who ran the polls must resign when New Zealand First is elected in 2020.

But then Peters took it far too far, making light of the sale of MediaWorks TV – 520 jobs are on the line.

“I’m sorry for some of them because they deserve to stay to some of them good riddance”, Peters told his delegates.

When asked by Newshub how many terms he has left in him, Peters replied: “I think I’ve got more terms in me than some of those asking the questions”. *

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/10/cantankerous-winston-peters-digs-deep-against-national-mediaworks-and-gun-owners-at-nz-first-conference.html
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October 19, 2019 6:55pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Loved Tova’s closing comments:
  “He’s alienated his supporters, he’s alienated his caucus. and now he’s behaving like a 74 year old toddler.”
  Comedy gold.
  
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  October 19, 2019 7:56pm
  - chaos
    
    It will be interesting to see how long the media take until they report on his health.
    
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    October 19, 2019 8:06pm
DigNap15

Can anyone ID any of those NZ First supporters that were on tv tonite inside the conference?
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October 19, 2019 6:56pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  They all looked a bit demented to me.
  
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  October 19, 2019 7:57pm
  - DigNap15
    
    Yes, that’s what I thought.
    Straight from the rest home to the conference.
    
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    October 20, 2019 7:58am
Swifty

Gas Station Encounters:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKRGvdFQzMU

Enjoy 🙂
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October 19, 2019 7:19pm
Jack5

No questioning of the Treaty?

The new Race Relations Commissioner, Meng Foon, is attacking freedom of speech.

A new Tauranga city councillor, Andrew Hollis, has been vigorously criticising the Treaty of Waitangi.

Meng Foon in response says that Hollis should stand down from the council. Here is Meng Foon’s reasoning, as reported in the Herald:

“All elected members must swear an oath to abide by the Local Government Act which includes Treaty obligations.”

Under its Corbynist new chief commissioner, the Human Rights Commission looks to be leading the campaign against free speech.

In Soviet Russia, Maoist China, Red Cambodia, Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, free speech was the most hated of all human rights.

Now, a taxpayer funded bureaucratic group in New Zealand is at the forefront of an attack on our free speech.

Time for NZ’ers to read Solzhenitsyn’s Gulag Archipelago, Vasily Grossman’s Life and Fate, Bulgakov (starting with The Master and Margarita), Koestler’s Darkness at Noon.

Meng the Merciless speaks about Hollis:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12277886
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October 19, 2019 8:38pm
gump

” The state department has completed its years-long internal investigation into Hillary Clinton’s use of private email and found “no persuasive evidence of systemic, deliberate mishandling of classified information.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/oct/18/clinton-emails-investigation-ends-state-department
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October 19, 2019 9:38pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Lol
  That Para seems incongruous to the next two in that article!
  ‘The investigation, launched more than three years ago, did find violations by 38 people, some of whom may face disciplinary action.
  
  Investigators determined that those 38 people were “culpable” in 91 cases of sending classified information that ended up in Clinton’s personal email, according to a letter sent to Republican senator Chuck Grassley this week and released on Friday. The 38 are current and former state department officials but were not identified.’
  There’s better reporting in more detail in other sources…
  
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