General Debate 18 October 2019

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Maggie Pie

A Scotchman walks into a bar….

Normally there would also be an Englishman and an Irishman, but they’re still in Japan

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October 18, 2019 8:03am
- Tony Stuart
  
  You left out the Welshman.
  
  Meanwhile, there’s a new Halloween costume in Ireland and Scotland…
  
  https://drive.google.com/open?id=1w3Igt-rFoZ0486yh5GKGwxmW9xRhCovR
  
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  October 18, 2019 8:27am
- Simon
  
  Thought the RWC was in China. Need that has an excuse.
  
  Asked my Chinese friend what it was like living in China.
  
  He said he cant complain.
  
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  October 18, 2019 8:30am
- rockape
  
  Despite being a Scot I will uptick that! But be afraid, be very afraid!
  
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  October 18, 2019 8:40am
- rockape
  
  PS its Scotsman Scotch is a drink.
  
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  October 18, 2019 8:50am
JibberJabber

“We’re not in the vegan section at Waitrose now, Dorothy”

https://twitter.com/Holbornlolz/status/1184724648874909696
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October 18, 2019 8:03am
- alex Masterley
  
  They didn’t expect that!
  
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  October 18, 2019 8:14am
- Simon
  
  Old holborn legend. Especially compared to the Tory cockwombles in UK & NZ.
  
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  October 18, 2019 8:24am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  The stinky rebellion. Winning hearts and minds.
  
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  October 18, 2019 8:31am
- niggly
  
  Well this is what happens when the politicians and Police kowtow to radical activists and don’t stop them, eventually the people take matters into their own hands.
  
  For better or worse I wouldn’t be surprised if this trend continues.
  
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  October 18, 2019 8:54am
- Maxx
  
  What these f#&ktards don’t realise as they get to have their protests at the will of the general populace. Heck, I might even take interest in what you have to say. The point being it is my choice to listen.
  
  The second you take that choice away from me and you stop me from getting on with my life, you are now the enemy.
  
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  October 18, 2019 9:04am
- Colville
  
  Good response by some people that just want to get on with life.
  Sort it out and give them a kicking.
  Fuck off and dont come back!
  
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  October 18, 2019 9:25am
- Ed Snack
  
  The UK police are right onto this ! In the video someone shouts “get him down” – without first inquiring to check on their pronouns
  
  Such a serious crime cannot be ignored and a team of detectives has been assembled to track down the person who shouted that out. The small matters of trespass, obstruction, and violence seen will be considered “in due course”.
  
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  October 18, 2019 9:32am
- lastmanstanding
  
  Hopefully this will be the start of a trend. Given the Pollies and Plod dont give a stuff about law abiding citizens trying to go about their business they cant complain if the citizens sort out what they should sort out.
  
  And teach the screeching anti citizen rent a mobs a lesson. Get out of line get the bash.
  
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  October 18, 2019 9:41am
  - Tall Man
    
    Next protest, take your little tube of superglue and stick their hands to their mouths.
    
    Should only take a second or two 😉
    
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    October 18, 2019 10:27am
- LTA1955
  
  This a massive shift in who actually has power to act, as the cops and orange vested wombles just watched. Take note NZ….the stink rebellion can be dealt with.
  
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  October 18, 2019 11:22am
  - LTA1955
    
    Watch this…
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ISePLL1wcw&feature=youtu.be&t=336
    Piers Morgan destroys the stinkies
    
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    October 18, 2019 1:20pm
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Best line of the lot comes when the ER woman refuses to say whether or not she has a TV at home (but obviously does) and justifies her non-answer with “Because it throws us into a shame situation”.
      
      Morgan’s reply is on point: “Not it doesn’t; it throws you into a hypocrisy situation!”
      
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      October 18, 2019 2:02pm
JibberJabber

“I am so old I can remember when other people’s achievements were considered to be an inspiration, rather than a grievance.” – Thomas Sowell
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October 18, 2019 8:04am
Tony Stuart

A week is a long time in politics, and it’s been a crap week for the Government, starting with two polls showing the stardust has worn off.

Will Winston Peters tell the NZF conference at the weekend that he is pulling his party out of the coalition in a bid to distance NZF from Labour, and keep the party alive?
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October 18, 2019 8:05am
- peterwn
  
  Even if Winson starts distancing NZF from the coalition, he cannot afford to make things too untenable for Labour otherwise there would be an early election and he would get the blame for it.
  What is significant is Labour is having to go cap in hand to get a piece of legislation passed and Andy Little is finding this psychologically difficult to do. He cannot bully and intimidate Simon Bridges as he was used to doing with employers and union members.
  
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  October 18, 2019 8:14am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    My prediction is that Peters will crash the formal coalition, but continue to offer Labour confidence and supply in return for NZF’s ministerial portfolios remaining. He will, as you note, support Labour on an issue-by-issue basis, but as the election nears, he will support fewer and fewer issues.
    
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    October 18, 2019 8:30am
    - sooty
      
      No, if he plays up, he loses his deputy pm job first off and that’s gunna hurt! How does it effect his pension package to go out as a has been deputy pm?
      
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      October 18, 2019 8:42am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        If Ardern threatens to take away the Deputy PM job, Peters will walk away completely, and she’ll be left facing an early election with her popularity in freefall.
        
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        October 18, 2019 9:11am
      - sooty
        
        But then NZF are in the same boat as Labour!
        Zero popularity and a bunch of dickheads!
        
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        October 18, 2019 9:43am
      - Frank Thomas
        
        Looks like a classic Mexican Stand-off, or MAD.
        
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        October 18, 2019 10:03am
  - niggly
    
    Winston can distance himself all he wants and claim he is championing the regions and claim that only NZF stopped the CGT etc ….but even when his own NZF supporters are calling him a “traitor” for supporting the UN migration compact, when he enabled that other traitorous decision to ban O&G exploration (for what, nonsensical CC feelz BS which will increase energy costs for kiwis), when he is enabling LabGreens attacks on farming, when he is even supporting the closure of regional horse racing clubs well I’m not surprised that NZF is consistently polling under 5% and like when each time his party has one term in office NZF they are obliterated at the forthcoming election, so bye-bye NZF in 2020.
    
    So Winston will now go into attack mode – did anyone hear his non-interview on Morning Report this morning, up to his trusted old tricks of attacking the media to shore up support from his supporters? Classic Winston but this time the charade is starting to wear thin.
    
    Bye-bye Winston First 2020.
    
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    October 18, 2019 9:27am
  - freethinker
    
    Angry R Sole with no support from Greens for his misplaced legislation refuses to discuss with the only party that can help – is this is not a concrete definition of insanity ?
    
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    October 18, 2019 10:18am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I’ll be interested in how long Winston can speak for.
  Something has happened to his voice.
  He sounds dreadful lately,…laboured breathing and a raspy sound.
  
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  October 18, 2019 8:15am
  - Swifty
    
    Has he lost a lot of weight too?
    
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    October 18, 2019 8:26am
    - oldgolfer
      
      He was not in hospital for an old rugby injury, that is for sure.
      
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      October 18, 2019 9:16am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Nooooooooooooooooooooo!
        
        Tell me it isn’t true!!!!!!!!!!!!!
        
        We, the public, were lied to?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
        
        Unbelievable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
        
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        October 18, 2019 10:38am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Oh, how very sad for him, just him, not everybody else. Sooner he retires the better.
    
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    October 18, 2019 8:35am
    - sooty
      
      That old “Rugby” injury is taken it’s toll!
      
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      October 18, 2019 8:44am
      - david
        
        Are you seriously suggesting that “Old Rugby Injury” is a brand of 20 year old Scotch?
        
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        October 18, 2019 10:00am
- Ruawai
  
  Problem is the Govt have got out soundbites such as $7b surplus, lowest unemployment and a new mental health facility.
  
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  October 18, 2019 8:17am
  - Blackbob
    
    A heavily massaged “surplus”, it isn’t anywhere near as big as announced in reality. The mental health facility, for one region only, comes on the back of years of doing nothing other than working groups when they promised it as a priority!
    
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    October 18, 2019 8:32am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    The new mental health facility for Waikato DHB was first announced in 2016 – by National!
    
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    October 18, 2019 8:33am
  - rockape
    
    But lefties will wonder why labor are not dividing that surplus between them so thats a lose too>
    
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    October 18, 2019 8:22pm
- igm
  
  No way, this disgusting alliance is the only way he can keep baubles and ego alive.
  He is, in fact, a liability to Labour, his party, and taxpayers.
  
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  October 18, 2019 8:20am
- Simon
  
  “and it’s been a crap week for the Government”
  
  Yep but Labour are National’s ugly friend.
  
  Where are the bloody tax cuts.
  
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  October 18, 2019 8:25am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    The tax cuts that were passed into law by Bill English and Steven Joyce before the last election? You’ll have to ask Grant Robertson 😀
    
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    October 18, 2019 8:34am
    - Simon
      
      Well thats the problem. National see tax cuts as a side issue. Some vague election promise.
      
      Tax cuts go along with an efficient and responsive government It should be core but it aint. National only intend to govern slightly less worse than Labo.
      
      Labour still Nationals ugly friend. Sad.
      
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      October 18, 2019 8:50am
- rockape
  
  I think he will be more concerned with an internal rebellion.
  
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  October 18, 2019 8:43am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Winston this morning on Red Radio totally refused to answer any questions about NZF’s policies and just spent 5 minutes grumping at the media.
  
  Interestingly, he told them that they can no longer have their way unchallenged, because of social media.
  
  Reminiscent of anyone?
  
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  October 18, 2019 9:14am
- Prince
  
  No, Winston will;
  a) Attack National whenever possible.
  b) Try to portray himself as the only option to restrain the excesses of Labour and the Greens.
  
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  October 18, 2019 9:15am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    I disagree. By going with Labour in 2017, Peters burned off all the “soft” National voters he managed to attarct at the last election. His only hope now is to throw Ardern under the bus, and hope to pick up dissatisfied Labour voters who could never bring themselves to vote for National.
    
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    October 18, 2019 9:22am
    - Colville
      
      Yeah its now about NZFs survival and that is all.
      
      Probably his best chance is to wreck Labour and try to pick up some of the pieces.
      
      It could be great fun to watch!
      
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      October 18, 2019 9:29am
      - rockape
        
        I think the feuding between labour Greens and NZ First as they battle over votes will be great TV.
        
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        October 18, 2019 8:23pm
peterwn

TheBFD (formerly Whaleoil) is continuing its attacks on Simon Bridges particularly with regard to the Botany electorate. Items are being published by ‘SB’ which seem to come from the same usual shadowy source. In particular discussion of candidate selection for Botany is somewhat misleading.
National’s electorate candidate selection is a four stage process and is basically a decision for the local membership (as long as there are sufficient paid up members as Botany has). Chris Luxon has to go through the same process as any other wannabe candidate.
The stages are:
1, Nominations – signed by 10 local paid-up members. Would be no problem for any ‘serious’ nominee. Nominations closed several days ago. Names are confidential at this stage.
2. Nominees approved by the National Party Board – it is very rare this comes into issue.
3. Pre-selection of up to five shortlisted nominees by a committee of local and ‘higher up’ people. Would be starting or in progress now. Presumably Chris L and any National list MP’s would come through OK. The names of the shortlisted names are then made public. They then need to campaign internally
4. Selection meeting by 60 or so local delegates preceded by three ‘beauty parade’ meetings.

Chris L would have been made well aware of the process and that the party bosses have limited influence on the process. Basically they need to ‘astroturf’ the local membership and delegates that their favoured mandate should be nominated in the wider interests of the party.
TheBFD is also running snide criticism of Chris L. This is easy to do – a senior executive will invariably have ‘warts’.

Then there is the JLR sideshow – he still seems to be mentored by shadowy individual(s). Seems he will stand as an independent which at worst would split the century right vote and let Labour win the seat. This would be embarrassing but not lethal. His mentors should be advising him to forget it.
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October 18, 2019 8:07am
- peterwn
  
  Duh! last paragraph – should be ‘centre right’ – a curse on super smart spell checkers.
  
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  October 18, 2019 8:16am
- Gravelroad
  
  Is it true that BFD stands for Big F**king Deal?
  Branding your blog in that juvenile way is hardly going to inspire interest or confidence that the people involved are genuine, clever commentators.
  
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  October 18, 2019 8:21am
  - Ed Snack
    
    I was told it stood for “big fuzzy deal”, sounds legit to me…
    
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    October 18, 2019 11:07am
  - artemisia
    
    The BFD site has some different versions of the acronym. Visitors can choose. Personally I like Big Front Door.
    
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    October 18, 2019 12:00pm
- Tarquin North
  
  What killed Whale Oil will kill BFD and probably Cameron as well. I and I suspect plenty of others are utterly sick of his constant attacks on Bridges and anyone else in the National party. I don’t even bother going there anymore, time to grow up and move on.
  
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  October 18, 2019 8:29am
  - Sacha
    
    I still go to the debates – lots of good people there – it’s like a family group, but I rarely bother to read anything else. Before I was banned I used to enjoy discussions and the repartee. I’m not sure if the constant attacks on Simon Bridges are genuine (maybe to attract new readers?) but they just turn me away.
    
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    October 18, 2019 10:51am
    - Gravelroad
      
      So you were cast out of the “family group” then, Sacha. Banned from mixing with the good people there.
      What did you say that was so wrong?
      
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      October 18, 2019 11:37am
    - hookerphil
      
      Were we once part of the repartee Sacha, I hope so. My capital crime was to say in a reply to a Nigel post of “really really” that that was a lot of really’s and was accused of bullying Nigel.
      I rarely bother to even look but have noticed so many former regulars have disappeared and Nigel also appears to have gone, perhaps as a result of his numerous drink fuelled rants in the evening.
      I have found that with the everybody must be nice blog that it really is an echo chamber – for all of some faults and annoyance they may give the opposite view does give one some thought.
      
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      October 18, 2019 12:43pm
      - alex Masterley
        
        I used to comment using a different user name over at whaleoil before the big meltdown.
        I look in occasionally now but dont comment as i cannot be bothered signing up as a subscriber.
        The on going anti Simon stuff is off putting as well.
        
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        October 18, 2019 2:32pm
  - Bobba Fret
    
    Yes I go there a lot less often too.
    Hate it how they blame Bill English for not being able to negotiate a deal with Winston……I still believe Nats dodged a bullet and prefer opposiition to being in bed with Winston.
    
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    October 18, 2019 11:31am
- Tony Stuart
  
  It’s highly likely that the posts about Luxon are either written by (in SB’s name) or strongly influenced by the person who was “advising” Ross when he had his meltdown last year. It’s all pretty low-rent, snarky stuff.
  
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  October 18, 2019 8:38am
  - rockape
    
    Cameron Slater is no irrelevant. Its only his benefits that is keeping it alive and the occasional paper bag from Winston.
    
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    October 18, 2019 8:53am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      I wasn’t referring to Cameron Slater 😉
      
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      October 18, 2019 9:08am
      - Pete George
        
        Who then? Lusk? I think he is advising NZ First these days.
        
        Recent posts under ‘SB’ are in a very similar style, with similar dirty assertions against National MPs and aspiring candidates, as used to appear under ‘Cameron Slater”.
        
        Regardless of who is writing them or contributing to them, it looks like The BFD is really just a repackaged Whale Oil with the same old political agendas.
        
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        October 18, 2019 9:23am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        https://imgflip.com/gif/1qe09u 😀
        
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        October 18, 2019 9:30am
  - arkhad
    
    SB stands for Spanish Bride and is the name that Cam’s wife blogs under. As I understand it JLR is a friend of Cam’s.
    
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    October 18, 2019 10:53am
    - peterwn
      
      Interestingly when JLR first sought the Botany nomination (his only ’employment’ was as a local politician – no *real* job) Cam did suggest that the National Party Board should veto his nomination on account of his age.
      Tip to selection delegates in all electorates – make sure that your preferred nominee has (or recently had) a proper *real* job. Nicola Willis was apparently advised to get a *real* job to facilitate her political career which she did before entering Parliament.
      
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      October 18, 2019 3:19pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Luxton is guaranteed no easy ride. It is possible that some of the influential party members have encouraged him but he still has to prove himself before the selection voting meeting.
  Party members can hold house meeting if they like Luxton and introduce him to voting members. Other can do the same with their preferred candidates. It’s a brutal process that sifts out capable persons to match Nationals high standards. Ballots are by majority preferences–the last drops out and repeat.
  ☑️☑️
  
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  October 18, 2019 8:59am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    By far the biggest challenge for Luxon (no t) will be the innumerable cups of tea at all those house meetings and 1-to-1’s. But that’s how relationships are built, and if he gets the nomination, he will need his relationships with the party rank and file to be strong. The National Party operates from the grassroots members up, a true local democracy, unlike the Labour Party, where Head Office rules.
    
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    October 18, 2019 9:05am
  - kowtow
    
    He’ll be used to a bit of turbulence .
    ba dum tish
    
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    October 18, 2019 9:28am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      I don’t Luxton except from the media and wish him well.
      
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      October 18, 2019 10:24am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Oops: that should have read “I don’t know Luxton…”
        
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        October 18, 2019 10:31am
      - Sacha
        
        No T.
        You’re welcome.
        
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        October 18, 2019 10:54am
- niggly
  
  Remember WO’s cash for articles or to promote a candidate favorably?
  
  Sounds like that’s happening here eg JLR is still paying them so in return WO/BFD is trashing Luxon (or anyone else other than JLR so perhaps National’s Agnes Loheni will get mocked in due course since she is also considering putting her hat in the ring).
  
  The most embarrassing thing about BFD is those brown-nosed commentators (uncritically) thumping their chests in support of the written narrative and how they won’t vote National (the more wiser commentators there stay out of the fray I notice), what a bunch of sooky-bubbas (hope they are enjoying life under the COL)!
  
  I suppose JLR’s won’t have a disposable income come the 2020 election to feed to them so expect more anti-National rhetoric in 2020 as counter-fire as the countdown to JLR’s political oblivion finally comes into fruition!
  
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  October 18, 2019 9:09am
- lastmanstanding
  
  I understand Luxon does have some (cough) business skeletons in his closet that should Labour know of could throw a spanner in his political career.
  
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  October 18, 2019 9:45am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Be more concerned about those who have consumed the carcasses of those who have offended them. They leave no skeletons, just the whiff of arrogant bullies.
    
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    October 18, 2019 10:27am
  - Tall Man
    
    We all have cupboards we’d prefer stay closed.
    
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    October 18, 2019 10:38am
- Lizziep
  
  I used to subscribe to BFD but stopped my subscription and told them why. I got a good response from them with the reasons why they are so hard on National, but I don’t agree with their reasoning so am not supporting the blog any more. I believe we need to see National as the only way out of the mess the col have us in. Today is announced armed police in Canterbury, Manukau and Waikato. What the hell has this country come to? Are armed police any different to the armed defenders squad???? Will they be driving around in armoured vehicles waiting for trouble???? The col take the guns off licensed gun owners, and yet have armed police in a special squad. This COL HAS to go they are the worst this country has ever had and there have been some shockers over the years.
  
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  October 18, 2019 10:00am
  - Tall Man
    
    “I believe we need to see National as the only way out of the mess the col have us in”
    
    I agree. They have their faults but “greed and envy” aren’t the basis of National’s thinking.
    
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    October 18, 2019 10:40am
  - david
    
    Hmmmm I understood it to be the “Armed Offenders Squad”. If they are really chasing armed defenders, I am really worried!
    
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    October 18, 2019 12:57pm
  - rockape
    
    The reason they dont like national is that Slater was kicked out of the party and his dad was kicked out as president after leading the party towards the 2002 defeat.
    
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    October 18, 2019 8:28pm
- alloytoo
  
  JLR is toast in Botany.
  
  He was always a wanker, but now he’s no longer a National Wanker.
  
  He reneged on his promise of a byelection the moment he realized it would remove him from the public teat early.
  
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  October 18, 2019 10:05am
- Pete George
  
  While The BFD seems to be continuing with WO style business they have the liquidator of Social Media Consultants on their case. From their six-monthly report:
  
  Six days after the liquidator’s appointment, new domain names (whaleoil.org.nz, whaleoil.net.nz) were registered by individuals associated to the former director…
  
  Someone who had the passwords to the hosting server and the UDAI codes to these domains, then absconded with the blog and moved it to a new server, to which the liquidator was not given access. They have retained all advertising revenue on these mirror domains.
  
  A complaint has been lodged with the Domain Name Commission to gain ownership of these near identical domains.
  
  https://app.companiesoffice.govt.nz/companies/app/service/services/documents/105104103E80E6E94363C1814F7FCEA9
  
  If The BFD is being paid to publish attack posts against Bridges and National that revenue could be an issue.
  
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  October 18, 2019 10:12am
  - peterwn
    
    Similar with the Disqus account. This belongs to the liquidator and hence Cam’s associates accessing that account to ban me was unlawful.
    
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    October 18, 2019 11:38am
- The King
  
  Those BFD jews attack anyone who doesn’t worship Moloch.
  
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  October 18, 2019 10:57am
G152

Winston has to tell us as to why he falsely declared his relationship status for three years
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October 18, 2019 8:08am
- Chuck Bird
  
  I believe it was a lot longer than three years. He would have been 72 in 2017.
  
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  October 18, 2019 8:28am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Dementia from booze?
  
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  October 18, 2019 9:00am
  - Simon
    
    Booze? Probably. But who else is on meth?
    
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    October 18, 2019 9:35am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  He’s always been a narcissist, and when you are a narcissist rules are for other people.
  
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  October 18, 2019 9:24am
  - sooty
    
    Old ” Rugby” injury!
    
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    October 18, 2019 9:50am
- alloytoo
  
  He’s been falsely declaring his political allegiances for years too.
  
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  October 18, 2019 11:16am
Maggie Pie

‘Prime Minister Jacinda Adhern believed to be planning further visits to Dunedin’s Au-Nur Islamic kindergarten.’

Meanwhile…..
https://twitter.com/xmyhm/status/1184767903654039553
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October 18, 2019 8:09am
- Tall Man
  
  Maybe….
  
  https://institutional.anz.com/markets/china/en
  
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  October 18, 2019 10:42am
- Sacha
  
  I expect the child will be enrolled some day soon –
  
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  October 18, 2019 10:59am
- The King
  
  Shaking hands with devil, to be expected though all of Maos advisers were jewish.
  
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  October 18, 2019 11:30am
  - The King
    
    Context from the jewish website the forward…
    
    *Inb4 holocaustianity religious nutters screech muh “anti-semitism”
    
    “85 to 90% of the foreigners helping the Chinese at the time of the Communist takeover were Jewish. This included the daughter of the founder of the brokerage firm Goldman Sachs, who left the comfort of her Park Avenue home to assist the Chinese.”
    
    https://forward.com/schmooze/159051/a-jew-in-maos-china/
    
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    October 18, 2019 12:17pm
Paulus

Clayton Mitchell is well known in Mt Maunganui where he was a local Bar owner some 400 metres from the bar he was in, where he is still well known, from where he was making a nuisance of himself.
He molds himself on Winston Peters and has expressed his view as the potential NZF leader.
If you could imagine him saying “Don’t you know who I am” you would be spot on.
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October 18, 2019 8:14am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  I seem to vaguely recall he couldn’t get a bar manager’s license anymore for some reason? Is that right?
  
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  October 18, 2019 8:38am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    It is indeed. Interesting too that his business partner was one Brad Shipton, before said Mr Shipton ended up in the dock and jail for rape:
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/107688809/dwarf-tossing-underage-gambling-concerns-at-mps-pub
    
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    October 18, 2019 8:40am
    - sooty
      
      You are known for the company you keep!
      
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      October 18, 2019 8:48am
  - kowtow
    
    “* A conviction of assault with intent to injure in what a judge described as an “act of serious violence on your part.”
    * A conviction for dangerous driving.
    * A conviction for a “lock-in” at one of his bars – allowing customers to drink outside of the licensed hours.”
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/107688809/dwarf-tossing-underage-gambling-concerns-at-mps-pub
    
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    October 18, 2019 9:01am
    - Bell-47
      
      I would have thought as a prerequisite, an MP standing or new should not hold criminal convictions especially those that involve violence? My recollection is that you may have criminal convictions but they must not involve dishonesty, corrupt practice and/or be punishable by 2 or more years in prison. The assault conviction would qualify IMO.
      
      http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1961/0043/latest/DLM329382.html
      
      How is this guy an MP if the above is true?
      
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      October 18, 2019 9:51am
      - peterwn
        
        A former prison term does not affect the ability to stand for Parliament as long as you are out of prison when nominations close. The ‘two year’ imprisonment rule applies to sitting MP’s and local body members only.
        Similarly a formerly insane person is able to stand as long as he is not currently subject to mental health treatment provisions.
        Presumably Parliament relies on the good sense of parties not to put up ‘undesirable’ candidates or voters not to elect them. While justified historically, perhaps there now need to be limits although this could be seen as potentially damaging to democracy.
        
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        October 18, 2019 3:41pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  Pretty ballsy of the bouncer to speak up about him considering the bar owner is a friend of Mitchell’s. Is the said bouncer still working at this establishment? If he is, I don’t think he will be much longer.
  
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  October 18, 2019 12:03pm
- Ruawai
  
  Sounds like that Aaron Gilmore character from National. “Do you know who I am?”
  
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  October 18, 2019 3:50pm
Yvette

Winston
Some media have reported – that before telling Tolley, Boyle had consulted State Services Commissioner Peter Hughes, who in turn consulted Solicitor General Una Jagose, before Tolley and State Services Minister Paula Bennett were told. [1]

Winston may wish to demonstrate to the nation that the “no surprises” rule has been corrupted far beyond its original intention, but in this case it would seem both correct and astute if Ms Jagose considered the matter could become of public interest – as subsequent points suggest it has

Court documents have confirmed New Zealand First leader Winston Peters was sent a letter by officials four years into his seven-year overpayment of national superannuation asking him to check details he had supplied, including that he was ‘single’. [2]

Winston Peters’ new court action over his seven year superannuation overpayment is actually claiming a total of $1.8 million from bureaucrats and former ministers – damages that ultimately may have to be paid by the taxpayer if he is successful. [3]

The New Zealand First leader’s legal argument was launched the day before the General Election and so just before supposedly good faith negotiations with National over who to ally with in government. [4]

Learning of the mistake, Winston immediately dropped business and flew Wellington to Auckland to correct the problem within 24 hours, so initially made an exemplary response, which should have not disadvantaged his Election standing and could have added to it, especially in comparison to the amoral mess of Metiria Turei. The subsequent “witch hunt” for a “leaker”, varying accusations and now legal action – in fact any “damages” – would seem to be at Winston’s instigation.

Is anyone aware of any “personal detail”, which Winston has not voluntarily revealed himself in dealing with media in this matter?

One of the key issues for the full hearing, due to start on November 4, will be Peters’ questioning of the use in his case of the ‘no surprises’ policy under which successive governments have required public servants to advise ministers of issues which could become of public interest. [2]

Has this matter not “become an issue of public interest”?
on and off now for 782 days, or 25 months and 21 days, with no sign of abating
Quod erat demonstrandum

[1] https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11914930
[2] https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/116644548/judge-to-peters-answer-the-questions
[3] https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2018/06/12/118327/deputy-pm-seeks-million-plus-from-state
[4] https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/104662333/peters-targets-govts-no-surprises-policy
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October 18, 2019 8:16am
- alex Masterley
  
  I am trying to work out what damages Mr Peters would be entitled to.
  Reputation? He is a politician. As far as i am concerned that puts that element to bed.
  Loss of privacy? well he outed himself on a pre-emptive basis. No real damage there.
  Then again Brian Henry can be creative in his thinking which can be entertaining if you are working with him or very irritating if you are against him.
  
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  October 18, 2019 9:09am
  - Tall Man
    
    My thought exactly…
    
    “Your honour, this has portrayed me as a lying thieving sack of shit”
    
    “And?” would be the reply.
    
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    October 18, 2019 10:45am
  - Yvette
    
    alex Masterley – I am trying to work out what damages Mr Peters would be entitled to.
    
    As I have endeavoured above to emphasise, Winston’s response to the overpayment was exemplary – he promptly established, without questions, what he owed and paid immediately in person, within 24 hours, and apparently received a letter lauding his co-operation. As a factor in his Election campaign it was truely commendable. Especially compared to Metiria Turei, who had her own problems but also according to many had “deprived Winston of oxygen”.
    
    He was asked for and made a repayment that accounted for the overpayments plus interest.
    “I just said, ‘give me the total figure and I’ll pay it off immediately.’” … We couldn’t identify how it was made. And therefore the only thing was, ‘well, how can we fix it up?’ Which we did.” [1] Brilliant!
    
    In reaction to any media inquiry he could have maintained “There was a problem which I immediately fixed – please refer any further inquiries to the IRD for their comment”
    
    However any negative spin on this was entirely his manufacture through obfuscation to questions, explanations which varied, accusations of leaks first against IRD [1] then department heads, witch-hunts for leakers, and subsequently legal actions that flounder on with changing parameters.
    
    Whatever damage may have been done to Winston’s “image” appears to be Winston’s doing.
    
    It would indeed seem to bear similarities to the defamation cases between Colin Craig and Cameron Slater –
    The judge also declined to award any damages to Craig for the defamation, saying much of the damage caused to his reputation was done by his own actions. [2]
    
    [1] https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11912184
    [2] https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/108071391/colin-craig-defamed-by-cameron-slater-but-also-found-guilty-of-sexual-harassment
    
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    October 18, 2019 11:36am
Than

The doomsday cult fanatics are getting more extreme in their tactics.

The hysteria over climate change has grown so bad that at this point it’s a matter of when (not if) somebody escalates to violence. I hope the police and security services are keeping a close eye on these groups.
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October 18, 2019 8:16am
- Chuck Bird
  
  I bet these two will not try this stunt again.
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/oct/17/london-tube-protest-divides-extinction-rebellion
  
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  October 18, 2019 8:43am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  when (not if) somebody escalates to violence.</i.
  
  You van clearly see the XR chap kicking at the head of the chap who is attempting to get him off the train roof.
  (at 0.06sec)
  http://joannenova.com.au/2019/10/furious-commuters-drag-extinction-rebellion-protestors-off-train/
  
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  October 18, 2019 8:51am
  - kevn
    
    @Maggy… Many of the ‘protestors’ aka anarchists, are being paid a daily rate to create mayhem.
    I wonder of Soros is behind it all?
    
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    October 18, 2019 9:01am
    - sooty
      
      Maggy. They got more when the landed on their arse down on the platform! They got a good kicking as well to help them on the way!
      
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      October 18, 2019 9:55am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Beautiful…. Scum getting their arse handed to them.
    
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    October 18, 2019 10:17am
  - freethinker
    
    Looks like they got a good kicking for their trouble.
    
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    October 18, 2019 11:06am
    - david
      
      And congrats to all for a beautifully gender neutral series of comments. Warms the cockles it does. …..NOT
      
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      October 18, 2019 1:04pm
- alex Masterley
  
  One of the reports says they are gluing themselves to carriages.
  If the glue is any good then they wont fall of and should be ok as the train moves from station to station.
  
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  October 18, 2019 10:29am
  - Nutta
    
    If they were truly dedicated to extinction, they would glue themselves to the rails, not the carriages.
    
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    October 18, 2019 10:49pm
- The King
  
  Our ‘security services’ are just a bunch of antifa diversity supremacists its more likely they are funding the climate cult.
  
  There’s more important things like arresting 18 year olds for hurty memes on the internet.
  
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  October 18, 2019 11:02am
record guy

Great to see Clarke Gayford starring in a horror movie – should be an easy role for him living with the PM
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October 18, 2019 8:19am
Gravelroad

Re the Rugby World Cup games tomorrow:
I am one of those who have generally held to the view that I support NZ teams and anyone playing Australia.
But – go Australia against England!!
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October 18, 2019 8:25am
- rockape
  
  Who will you support after Ireland beats NZ?
  
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  October 18, 2019 8:59am
  - Colville
    
    You should definitely sell your house and bet the lot on Ireland winning.
    
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    October 18, 2019 9:34am
  - Tall Man
    
    Ha ha ha ha ha ha.
    
    Go for it then.
    
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    October 18, 2019 10:46am
- Tony Stuart
  
  And go Japan against South Africa!
  
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  October 18, 2019 9:07am
  - Colville
    
    Nice idea but they are just too small. The Boks will smash them to pieces.
    
    40 – 15?
    
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    October 18, 2019 9:35am
Yvette

Is anyone else slightly puzzled that one man may seem to prompt a law that is even named after him – the new “Mark Taylor law” – when there remains questions of whether the person is even what he seems: a somewhat incompetent terrorist, or a man with mental health problems stemming from circumstances when he was two years of age, according to some family members, or both terrorist and mentally unwell?

But what is interesting – as an aside – is the international hysteria Justice Minister Andrew Little displayed over anyone knowing just the name of the alleged killer of Grace Millane – that Little even mentioned “unfair trial”, and low and behold: the defence lawyer has since also mentioned “unfair trial”, and who will be surprised now when “unfair trial” is raised again – but, on the other hand, anti-terrorist measures can be named after a suspect who has not yet been arrested or examined, but when he is, may find any proper appraisal of his position has already been a Little prejudiced.

And is this uncharacteristic proactivity to protect New Zealanders, Mark Taylor or Jacinda Ardern?
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October 18, 2019 8:26am
- rockape
  
  Unless he killed muslims!
  
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  October 18, 2019 9:00am
- Tarquin North
  
  Probably something to do with Little being a total wanker. He should have stuck to coal mining, he may have been hopeless at that but at least he was hidden.
  
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  October 18, 2019 10:40am
Simon

Peace breaks out in northern Syria. Thanks to Trump. Economy not war.

The Kurds eh. Last week will be the first and only time we hear about them on this blog.
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October 18, 2019 8:28am
- Lance
  
  And the Kurds are very very very very very happy Donald did such a wonder thing for them.
  
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  October 18, 2019 9:36am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  I think I might even have mentioned this gameplan last week when DPF put up his weekly “see how dreadful and beyond the pale Trump is this week” clickbait article….
  
  Is there a weekly blogstats sweep going on? Cos it certainly pumps the comment numbers…
  
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  October 18, 2019 9:55am
Maggie Pie

‘Guvmint of the people, by the people, for the people’

We both watched QT yesterday. My partner wondered of what possible interest or concern was ‘Question 9’ to voters residing in the Remuera/Epsom electorate?

https://vimeo.com/366904253
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October 18, 2019 8:32am
Cobolt24

Commuters fight with climate change protesters as they disrupt London rail services
https://play.stuff.co.nz/details/_6095524460001

They’re stopping people who are taking a low-carbon method of transport from getting where they need to go.
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October 18, 2019 8:39am
- Cobolt24
  
  Another construction company has gone into receivership.
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/116552255/construction-company-eden-limited-in-receivership
  
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  October 18, 2019 8:43am
  - Tall Man
    
    In the current market that is understandable.
    
    Few contracts running to time and on budget in our area.
    
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    October 18, 2019 10:48am
- Fletch
  
  Watch Piers Morgan blast the shit out of one of the protesters on TV for her hypocrisy….
  
  https://youtu.be/8ISePLL1wcw?t=336
  
  Interesting how she starts out saying that individual carbon footprints aren’t as important because it’s a “systems-wide” issue and then walks it back when Morgan brings up Harry and Meagan…
  
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  October 18, 2019 8:53am
  - Lance
    
    LOL
    The face of hypocrisy
    
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    October 18, 2019 9:42am
    - Tall Man
      
      And here’s another…
      
      http://www.mtalbertinc.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/Jacinda-Ardern-D.jpg
      
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      October 18, 2019 10:58am
  - Bell-47
    
    That was a brilliant demonstration of how to bring down one of these numpties and call them out on their rank hypocrisy.
    
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    October 18, 2019 10:23am
- kowtow
  
  Sums up the climate hysteria mob to a tee.
  
  The well heeled , “we know what’s best for you” , ,somewhat more comfortable crowd telling genuine and perhaps struggling workers how to live their lives and imposing their “values” on everyone they can , with no mandate whatsoever.
  
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  October 18, 2019 8:55am
  - LTA1955
    
    You need to watch Same Sky on Netflix about East Germany in the 1965 – 1975 decade. It’s a real insight into a Marxist timewarp. Climate change hysteria has the same stench about it. Be careful what you wish for in 2020, another 3 years of Cindy will throw this country into a “Lancaster” nose dive.
    
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    October 18, 2019 10:28am
- KevO'Brien
  
  It’s walkies from now on or bicycles. The grrreeeenss now even want these as the preferred way of getting around the hills of Wellington.
  
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  October 18, 2019 9:06am
  - kowtow
    
    Unless you cadge off other motorists , so it’s ok to use their carbon foot print . Go figure.
    
    ‘Dunedin’s next mayor has no plans to give up hitchhiking to work, despite his new job.
    Aaron Hawkins (35), a two-term Dunedin city councillor and now the city’s mayor-elect, has become a regular sight on the side of the road at Port Chalmers, waggling a thumb at passing traffic, in recent years.’
    
    https://www.odt.co.nz/news/local-body-elections/no-plans-stop-hitching
    
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    October 18, 2019 9:32am
    - alex Masterley
      
      I hope people that pick this idiot up as he hitches ask for a contribution to the fuel costs…
      
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      October 18, 2019 10:30am
John Warren

Venezuela has just joined the UN Human Rights Commission! No shit! HAHAHAHAHAHA fucking HA!
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October 18, 2019 8:45am
- JibberJabber
  
  I believe Mauritania with its 100k + slaves has also been put on the UN HRC .
  https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2018/jun/08/the-unspeakable-truth-about-slavery-in-mauritania
  
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  October 18, 2019 10:11am
  - John Warren
    
    No doubt we’ll any day be receiving a telling off from Venezuela and Mauritania for our treatment of Maoris.
    
    The UN is just a sick joke.
    
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    October 18, 2019 10:41am
Maggie Pie

People need to understand that gay people rely on straight people
to produce more gay people.

Just saying.
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October 18, 2019 8:47am
- SGA
  
  Technically no. All lesbian couples need is a sperm donor (straight or not), and gay men need a woman willing to carry a child to term (straight or not).
  
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  October 18, 2019 9:15am
  - Fletch
    
    So, still a person of the opposite sex, and relying on a heterosexual union.
    
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    October 18, 2019 9:32am
    - Tall Man
      
      And a heterosexual action 😉
      
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      October 18, 2019 11:00am
- mandk
  
  Hush now, Maggie.
  You know that’s wrong think nowadays.
  
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  October 18, 2019 9:16am
Tauhei Notts

This employment situation in our country is throwing up some weird scenarios.
I heard, yesterday, of a farrier, that is somebody who expertly shoes horses and attends to their feet; who turned down an $80,000 p.a. and free house job.
Why?
The farm down the road offered him $100,000 plus free house.
No student loan. Merely a tradesman’s ticket. The care of horses’ feet is becoming a very expensive undertaking.
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October 18, 2019 8:56am
- mandk
  
  Good for him, I say.
  
  He could probably have gone to University to do a BA in Something-or-other Studies and accumulated a debt of 60k, all for the privilege of working in KFC.
  
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  October 18, 2019 9:14am
- Lance
  
  I hear experienced shot-crete (sprayed concrete) tradies earn big bucks as well.
  
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  October 18, 2019 9:45am
- Pharmachick
  
  My farrier charges $150/horse and does both our horses in just over 90 minutes… That’s pretty close to my industry consulting rate (but I don’t have to work in the rain and mud!)
  
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  October 18, 2019 10:23am
  - Tall Man
    
    Nor around a horses arse like our PTPM….
    
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    October 18, 2019 11:01am
  - david
    
    Have a feeling that leather aprons and forges are a rare sight in the conference rooms these days, just saying.
    
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    October 18, 2019 1:09pm
    - Pharmachick
      
      Live on a hobby farm, 30 mins south of a major city that makes AKL look “try-hard”.
      
      Consult across the world – sometimes e-commute and sometimes they fly me in to them [oooooeeee noeeees, my caaaarbon foootprintttt] //
      
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      October 18, 2019 6:21pm
    - Pharmachick
      
      PS you seem to have mistaken my farrier (works on contract basis for me at my place) for me: Salaried at a well-considered institution (rated considerably higher than any of whats left of NZs once-great Unis), and consults on the side for my allowed hous/year.
      
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      October 18, 2019 8:26pm
  - Gravelroad
    
    Does that include travel time?
    If you live out of town you have to pay mileage and time travelling as well as the cost of the actual job.
    You might not have to work in the rain but do you get travel allowances for going to your consulting work?
    
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    October 18, 2019 1:41pm
    - Pharmachick
      
      Of course not – if I travel they pay the airfare and hotel (3*+ minimum). This is not a small-time industry, and I am not being asked easy questions. Then its $/hr. Email advice is $/hr*0.X (a lower percentage).
      
      My farrier lives within 40 km of my house – travel is built into the cost at $150/horse. BUT emergency calls (hot shoe, thrown shoe) are $100 for the call-out, plus shoe and trim costs.
      
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      October 18, 2019 6:24pm
- John Warren
  
  I have a much younger first cousin, a typical millennial. She spent a good five years at university at her father’s enormous expense, swanning about, partying, motoring through boyfriends, and eventually got a degree in something (I don’t recall what – she seemed to switch direction every five minutes). She turns 30 next February and works in an early childhood education centre, wiping small bottoms and cleaning up sick. Still lives a champagne lifestyle of party and travel though, with her father continuing to pick up the pieces (i.e. debt).
  
  Got a bit off track there, but the central point was: five years of university = wiping babies’ bottoms for $19 per hour.
  
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  October 18, 2019 11:01am
- cmm
  
  Old saying: where there’s muck there’s brass.
  
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  October 18, 2019 11:37am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  When I had a horse about 12 years ago the problem was v few farriers took on apprentices. The number of recreational riders in NZ is HUGE and they all need their horse’s feet done.
  
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  October 18, 2019 4:10pm
- Ruahine
  
  Given a few more years he will own the farm as the shortage is only going to get worse after all the ICE vehicles are banned under pain of death and after the world runs out of Lithium and Cobalt etc for all the electric cars it is back to the horses. Just think of all that horse manure things will grow everywhere. Food will be aplenty there will be no need to work for any of those evil corporates. It will just be like in the days of yore when our life expectancy was 35 years. Greta do not despair.
  
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  October 18, 2019 4:32pm
Liberal Minded Kiwi

Meanwhile in Britain we have the police warning people about using the “correct” pronouns. The same police who told van drivers going to work to not beep their horns at Smithfield market as it would “wake up the occupying protesters” in the market, who were there to stop them doing their jobs.

Oh and where is the outrage about Massey University?
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October 18, 2019 8:56am
- John Warren
  
  That bit about the horns – is that for real?
  
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  October 18, 2019 9:33am
  - Wangas Feral
    
    If it sounds ridiculous and utterly stupid and is in relation to the British police then it is almost certainly true.
    
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    October 18, 2019 10:25am
Yvette

Mallard sees problems with National ads using Parliamentary footage.
At Mallard’s disposal to resolve his concerns are defamation laws, standards agencies for advertising and online material, and human rights considerations – most of those regarding the proper representation in use of material.
However he sees himself fit to work outside all of these – so arbitrarily constraining “communications” (cutting Parliamentary Questions), instead of correcting what he sees as improper “communications” (using other legal avenues available to him).

This has similarities to Labour setting up their own inquiries into such matters as asserted serious sexual assault – and in their case, being as fucking stupid as to admit that it hasn’t worked, but then immediately setting up yet another inquiry – rather than referring complaints to the Police.

Which raises the question – Is Mallard proceeding as he is, for similar motivations as are Labour also avoiding following normal procedures?
Nominally, that is loosing control of the situation, and loosing interpretation of the TRUTH.
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The rules of Parliament – or Standing Orders – state that use of Parliament TV coverage “must not be used in any medium for political advertising or election campaigning (except with the permission of all members shown)”.

Will Mallard’s interpretation of these rules be now applied to news media if the use of such footage is not for straight news reportage – that any editorialising, opinions, forecasts or speculation, or presentation that is not factual, will also need permission.

Footage to accompany “Ardern’s popularity has shifted” – OK
That “Ardern’s popularity has “dropped” [negative interpretive word] or sort of “plummeted” [definite negative word] – will need permission.
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malapropism noun – the mistaken use of a word in place of a similar-sounding one, often with an amusing effect (as in – ‘dance a flamingo’ instead of flamenco).
mallardaise noun a boring reportage of fact rather than anything more lively or expressive, or that may challenge the mind. See lame duck
Note: La Marseillaise is something different.
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October 18, 2019 9:13am
- Bell-47
  
  If I were Bridges, I would keep ignoring him and eventually no questions at all would be asked. I’d like to see how he deals with that. I certainly don’t want too see our parliament descend to the levels that the US HOR has but if National decided to continue and eventually run out of questions Mallard would be facing some serious questions himself.
  
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  October 18, 2019 10:31am
lastmanstanding

So far the trend is heading the right way for Election 2020. However the Nats need insurance to get them over the line.

Can I humbly suggest that if you live in a strong Blue seat like I do you give your party vote to ACT.

Let me explain. Most of the defectors from Labour/NZF will tick party vote Nat.

Think of it as the reverse in Epsom. Smart Nat supporters tick constituent vote ACT and party vote Nat to ensure they get the right result.
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October 18, 2019 9:16am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  Why should the choice between ticking National and ACT on the party vote make any difference to the likelihood that National plus ACT will have a majority?
  
  I’d like to see ACT get as many party votes as possible, but only because people prefer ACT to National. There is no strategic reason to use your party vote this way.
  
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  October 18, 2019 9:55am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Better strategy:
    All ACT voters vote for National candidate electorate seat.
    National chase all the electorate seats, will drag party votes with it
    If National can win the electorate seats, it stops Labour having tax payer funding, to fund electorate offices etc, a major source of their self promotion.
    It gives National those funds and a “store front” office.
    Within 2 election cycles, Labour would largely disappear from the public’s consciousness.
    
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    October 18, 2019 10:31am
- Tall Man
  
  Not me mate… two ticks blue as a protest against the current coalition.
  
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  October 18, 2019 11:03am
  - The King
    
    National is in agreement with nearly every policy of Labours, they challenge nothing.
    
    But you can’t escape the illusion can you?
    
    “just tick right on the ballot box and watch as good prevails over evil!”
    
    Hilariously low IQ.
    
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    October 18, 2019 2:42pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Perhaps I am low IQ whereas you come across as an ignorant narrow minded boor and coming from me that is saying something.
      
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      October 18, 2019 5:08pm
Maggie Pie

After completing his Prostate examination the doctor left the room and the nurse came in. As she shut the door she whispered three words no man wants to hear… “Who was that?”

😛
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October 18, 2019 9:20am
- Tall Man
  
  As long as he left his watch behind…. what’s the problem?
  
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  October 18, 2019 11:04am
Odakyu-sen

NZ Herald
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12277479

Armed vehicles on patrol?
Do we really want to look like a third-world country?
Will this help or make matters worse?
What would be a better approach?
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October 18, 2019 9:22am
- Fletch
  
  OOps, didn’t see this before posting below…
  
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  October 18, 2019 9:30am
- Maggie Pie
  
  About time. We’ve been paying to have private security patrols in Remuera for years.
  
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  October 18, 2019 9:32am
  - sooty
    
    Cindys had her own private army complete with guns outside her door since before the election!
    
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    October 18, 2019 10:02am
  - The King
    
    Ah the eternal boomer “i’d rather have security over freedom”
    
    You’re part of the problem.
    
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    October 18, 2019 11:13am
- kevn
  
  @Oda… I recall in Rotorua back in the mid 1990’s, AOS in full costume were sent out to roam the streets one Christmas period. Meant to be a deterrent I guess.
  
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  October 18, 2019 9:33am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Did it work?
    
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    October 18, 2019 12:54pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      No silly! They were all dressed in full Santa costumes 😀
      
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      October 18, 2019 2:00pm
- LTA1955
  
  Just like Venezuelllaaaa…if you want to understand how screwed up the UN is read this:
  https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-50087394
  
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  October 18, 2019 10:00am
- cmm
  
  It’s for South AKL. Isn’t that a third world enclave?
  
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  October 18, 2019 11:34am
- rockape
  
  I would rather have that than unfettered gangs. The “Flying squad in the UK gave London gangs a hard time.
  
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  October 18, 2019 8:40pm
chaos

Problem now is those who do not support that people voted to leave

* Against the tough odds, Boris Johnson hammered out a last-minute compromise Brexit deal with his sceptical, fatigued European counterparts on Thursday, raising the prospect that Britain could finally be out of the European Union by the end of the month.

Now the hardest part: Johnson will have to win approval for his draft deal in the fractious British Parliament, beginning with an extraordinary and rare sitting of the House of Commons on Saturday.*

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12277618
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October 18, 2019 9:24am
Fletch

I see Boris has a Brexit deal, and now has to get it through Parliament. From what I can glean, it’s worse than May’s deals and still gives the EU power over Britain, like being able to veto foreign trade deals. Brit MPs have been traitorous in voting never to allow a “no deal” Brexit, which is what is really needed. The EU really is the Hotel California, ‘where you can check out any time you like, but you can never leave’.
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October 18, 2019 9:24am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  The EU can’t enforce those provisions. Just get out ASAP then make alternative trade deals anyway.
  
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  October 18, 2019 9:58am
- kowtow
  
  So if the EU controls British foreign policy does that mean the next time Germany invades Poland, France, Denmark , Holland, Czech/ Slovakia, Belgium and/or Luxembourg , that Britain will have to seek Germany’s permission first before they send over an Expeditionary Force ?
  
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  October 18, 2019 1:26pm
Fletch

I heard on the news that armed Police will now patrol areas such as Counties/Manakau because they reckon it takes the Armed Offenders Squad too long to suit up and get out there.

Special police vehicles carrying trained armed officers will routinely patrol Auckland, Waikato and Canterbury in a police trial that hopes to cut down response times to serious incidents involving firearms.

Police Commissioner Mike Bush is expected to make the announcement in Counties Manukau this morning.

Police have had growing concerns about the increasing number of incidents that police respond to that involve firearms, and that is understood to have contributed to the decision to trial armed response vehicles.

A source confirmed to the Herald that the trial will be in Counties Manukau, Waikato and Canterbury.

The vehicles will be manned by armed offenders squad (AOS) members who would be ready to attend major incidents at any time if needed.

An excuse for another step toward a police state?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/front-page-top-stories/news/article.cfm?c_id=698&objectid=12277479&ref=rss
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October 18, 2019 9:28am
- Tony Stuart
  
  More likely an admission that the Gun Buy-Back Scheme has been an abject failure in terms of getting criminal gangs to hand over their weapons.
  
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  October 18, 2019 9:32am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Does the State really want to get rid of gangs?
    Is there a symbiosis between the State and gangs?
    
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    October 18, 2019 9:37am
- Yvette
  
  • Special police vehicles carrying trained armed officers will routinely patrol Auckland, Waikato and Canterbury in a police trial that hopes to cut down response times to serious incidents involving firearms.
  
  Perhaps a better response than the firearms buy-back
  
  • There is little evidence that the Government’s gun buyback scheme would avoid future gun-related death and injury, the Treasury advised the Government.
  
  • There have so far been about 30,000 prohibited weapons have been handed over to police, and $56 million had been paid out.
  “That’s 30,000 weapons designed to kill people – not deer or goats or possums or rabbits,” Nash told the conference.
  
  Can Nash produce evidence that any of the 30,000 weapons handed in so far have been used to kill any person, rather than deer, goats, possums or rabbits?
  Are surrendered guns being ballistics tested at all to confirm they have not already being used in criminal activity?
  
  (Surely, there can be no better way to dispose of a “guilty” gun, than have the Police destroy it)
  
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  October 18, 2019 9:53am
Fletch

MediaWorks to sell TV3

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12277637
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October 18, 2019 9:38am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Fox news to buy it????
  PLEASE please please.
  There really would be a “Fox in the hen house”
  
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  October 18, 2019 10:03am
  - Jules99
    
    Fox has been bought out by Disney, so they are on a downward slide now.
    
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    October 18, 2019 10:31am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Die media Works die! and take the climate fascists at Stuff with you!
  
  State sponsored news that is the bread and butter of ‘news’ dissemination in New Zealand, is not limited to Media Works but also the clown car that is RNZ, or whoever they are branding themselves as this week and, the crap masquerading as TV1
  
  God gave us the internet to remove the fleas and leaches that represent NZ media from our collective armpits.
  
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  October 18, 2019 11:04am
- Yvette
  
  Whether (then) new broadcasting Minister Clare Curran asked ex-flat mate Ardern about approaching RNZ in regard to initiating discussion on RNZ+, the proposed new Labour television channel, and was or wasn’t told check with Carol Hirschfeld, woman (as opposed to stale white male), experienced television person, and ally – what now of the suggested new Labour (Election promised) channel, considering the present status of TV3 and the incursions of Amazon, and multiple other computer originated channels?
  
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  October 18, 2019 11:55am
Maggy Wassilieff

TV3 is down the tubes
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/116683532/mediaworks-facing-commercial-realities-with-sale-of-tv-business#comments
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October 18, 2019 9:39am
- Maggie Pie
  
  WOW! Sounds like MAFS could be a casualty as well 🙁
  
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  October 18, 2019 9:44am
  - Tall Man
    
    Phewwwww.
    
    Nice one 😉
    
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    October 18, 2019 12:11pm
- Lance
  
  They just need huge amounts of tax payer cash thrown at them so they can continue to make half arsed far left propaganda…………….. like another TV channel we all know.
  
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  October 18, 2019 9:48am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    To be fair, having your half arsed lefty propaganda having to compete against government subsidised half arsed lefty propaganda is a bit of a tough gig…
    
    On the other hand, the “comedian” guy williams got the don’t come monday arse-card. Best and only laugh I have ever had from him.
    
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    October 18, 2019 10:00am
    - The Feed
      
      The market for woke luvvie left talking points is absolutely saturated, and subsidised, yet TV3 thinks “yep, that’s the market we’ll target”!
      
      Here’s a thought, TV3. Hosking is very popular. Why might that be? He’s seeing a market you do not?
      
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      October 18, 2019 10:34am
      - Tall Man
        
        As is Alan Jones, the Outsiders and SkyNews Oz.
        
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        October 18, 2019 11:09am
      - chaos
        
        They saw that market, but when bearded woman got upset they got rid of that market. Although I did read Paul Henry was coming back to tv
        
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        October 18, 2019 11:54am
  - kloyd0306
    
    Market forces are a wonderful thing.
    
    Can someone tell Simon that among National’s platforms should be to sell TVNZ (and thus TV 1) and see how it survives without taxpayers propping up what we largely disagree with.
    
    The good news is that there is one less channel to sell the stardust.
    
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    October 18, 2019 12:32pm
- graham
  
  I’m really not going to lose any sleep over not being able to watch Married At First Sight … or Guy Williams.
  
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  October 18, 2019 9:54am
- Lizziep
  
  Great the shows mentioned on this clip were pathetic to say the least. If they can get advertising go for it if not maybe your past your use by date and should just close down. Most people have pay to view these days anyway. Lots of news available without watching local tv.
  
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  October 18, 2019 10:19am
- alloytoo
  
  I’m still trying to figure out what these number buttons on the TV remote mean.
  
  I use the big red power button, the volume control and this button labeled “HDMI” and then switch to the Android Box remote/Keyboard.
  
  Amazon prime/Netflix/Kodi….
  
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  October 18, 2019 10:56am
  - DigNap15
    
    Its Youtube for my g/f
    And Al Jazeera for me
    
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    October 18, 2019 12:54pm
- The King
  
  Get woke go broke.
  
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  October 18, 2019 11:16am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Haven’t watched it in 10 years. Reality TV and woke-as-fuck editorial stance in everything they do is hardly enticing viewing. Won’t be missed.
  
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  October 18, 2019 11:20am
- Bell-47
  
  For as long as I can remember, TV3 has been in and out of bankruptcy. National even gave them a pass on $45M in corporate back taxes. Its never been a successful business model if it had to compete with state funded competitors. Any new buyer prepared to stump up for a stressed asset has only one thing in mind..slash, burn and asset strip.
  
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  October 18, 2019 11:31am
rightoverlabour

Hmm warm enough Greta?

https://electroverse.net/north-americas-third-historic-winter-storm/

https://electroverse.net/record-breaking-cold-battered-south-america-this-week/

https://electroverse.net/polar-pulse-will-bring-thundersnow-to-se-australia/ and that will affect New Zealand….

https://electroverse.net/russia-breaks-multiple-116-year-old-cold-records/

But no doubt the Warming High Priests of Climate Change will somehow blame CO2 for this…
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October 18, 2019 11:21am
- chaos
  
  The USA storm was concerning, it seems there have been a lot of crops lost because of it.
  
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  October 18, 2019 11:44am
- Doctor Who
  
  Without the atmosphere and greenhouse effect, mediated by the greenhouse gases, there would be no weather as we understand it. Adding a lot more greenhouse gas makes the weather worse – as the climate system moves the “extra” energy around.
  
  So, yes, all that CO2 from fossil fuels is to blame. Does that go against your world view and cult beliefs?
  
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  October 18, 2019 11:51am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Hi Doctor. I assume your PhD is not in physics or climatology. I doubt you will find many peer reviewed articles with this gem in it.
    
    “Adding a lot more greenhouse gas makes the weather worse – as the climate system moves the “extra” energy around”
    
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    October 18, 2019 12:58pm
    - Doctor Who
      
      The comment was not made for scientists, this is not a science blog, it was made for you lot who reject the science, in particular the IPCC reports.
      
      Nevertheless it’s broadly correct, anyone with a basic understanding of climate knows that much.
      
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      October 18, 2019 4:24pm
      - rightoverlabour
        
        Lindzen disagrees with you and the IPCC. I know who I believe. As does Christy, Heller, Curry, Soon, Freeman and a few others….
        
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        October 18, 2019 5:39pm
  - Jules99
    
    CO2 does not cause global warming. A closer looks at the charts of CO2 and temperature over time will prove to you that temperature rises first, followed by CO2. Thus it is not scientifically possible for CO2 to cause warming. Pretty basic science, easy to check if you can be bothered. I suspect you won’t though. Scientists measure data in reality, global warming alarmists measure the data in models.
    
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    October 18, 2019 4:58pm
    - rightoverlabour
      
      You can’t argue with fools or religious nutters. Climate Alarmists are both.
      
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      October 18, 2019 5:42pm
  - rockape
    
    Worse than what?
    
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    October 18, 2019 8:44pm
Jack5

The woke bias of State radio …

Radio New Zealand, reporting on New Zealand’s biggest land owners, adds to mention of Ngai Tahu’s 102,136 hectares:

“The iwi still only owns a fraction of the 14m ha it once controlled.”

Why was the sentence added, except as a PR plug for the Ngai Tahu sweetheart treaty settlement negotiated by Chris Finlayson in his lawyering days before he was a National MP?

Controlled? The tribe lived on the coastal fringes, going well inland only on occasional forays for greenstone (which it now has the sole rights to mine in NZ).

If Radio NZ wanted to elaborate it could have added there’s probably more land to come for the tribe. The deal, which was negotiated under a National administration, included giving Ngai Tahu first right of purchase of South Island state assets being disposed of – first right, for ever.
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October 18, 2019 11:28am
- stephieboy
  
  Jack5 , yoe seem to tune in into Red Radio often enough.
  
  Whats the attraction?
  
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  October 18, 2019 12:04pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    12:04pm wtf
    Jeepers stephie – what sorta time do ya call this!
    
    Wotcha bin doin’ with yoe self all morning? 😛
    
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    October 18, 2019 12:18pm
    - sooty
      
      Get off the grass, maggie. You know what he’s been doing!
      
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      October 18, 2019 1:03pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        I just wondered if it might have been something useful? Like saving lives, attending to the sick and injured. Stuff like that 😀
        
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        October 18, 2019 1:53pm
- TripeWryter
  
  The hapu of a relative of mine has neither forgiven nor forgotten Ngai Tahu’s frequent and murderous depredations into their iwi’s rohe going back to before Captain Cook’s arrival in New Zealand.
  
  A source of added resentment is Ngai Tahu’s dismissal of them as having no significance.
  
  Yeah, let’s teach our country’s history because it will be fascinating what gets unearthed.
  
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  October 18, 2019 12:08pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    It was the Maori way to absorb conquered tribes into their own, usually via the small intestine.
    
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    October 18, 2019 12:37pm
Jack5

The God of Racing,? Yeshu Peters,? will be hard put to keep the animal rights activists at bay once they pick up on what’s happening across the ditch:

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/appalled-racing-australia-condemns-racehorse-cruelty-in-abc-report-20191018-p531v4.html
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October 18, 2019 11:52am
- Greg Ettridge
  
  There are reports this morning there are a number of NZ horses that are sent to race in Australia that are consequently sent to abbatoir in Australia.
  My take on this is on a farm you don’t let your breeding stock live out their days grazing a paddock, they are sent to abbatoir rather than dying in paddock of old age and being worthless and a problem in the disposal of.
  I no nothing about horse industry, but wether you like it or not, all animals have a value and very hard to keep them alive at a certain economic point.
  I think this is more of a problem with the abbatoirs treatment, rather than a econmical decision to keep feeding an animal.
  Haven’t been to France for a few years but Achat De Chevaux was alive and well, about 700 horse butchers, 24 Euros a kilo against 38 for beef.
  A much more healthy meat to eat as is Kangaroo.
  I guess it is horses for courses, there will be lovers and haters of this practise.
  Not as bad as eating Bear as they still do in Romania and many other countries.
  
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  October 18, 2019 1:47pm
  - Jack5
    
    Perhaps the Anglo-world prejudice against eating horse meat stems from the Bible. This is how it is expressed in the King James Version:
    
    Whatsoever parteth the hoof, and is clovenfooted, and cheweth the cud, among the beasts, that shall ye eat.
    
    For some jokes after horse meat was found in beef burgers:
    
    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/shortcuts/2013/jan/16/horsemeat-burgers-best-worst-jokes
    
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    October 18, 2019 2:34pm
  - Colville
    
    years ago the food writer Jeffery Steingarten put out an article saying that the best french fries are cooked in horse fat, to howls of outrage.
    
    In response he detailed that thousands of horses each year were sent from USA to France TO BE EATEN! and that Mum and little sally with the pony are just hypocrites.
    Buy a horse and use it for a couple of years then get bored and send it away.
    He was food editor for Vogue USA at the time.
    He didnt last long after that 🙂
    
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    October 18, 2019 3:19pm
chaos

What a tight race

* Final vote results reveal Wellington’s new mayor Andy Foster scraped into his position by just 62 votes.

Foster has been confirmed as mayor with 27,364 votes, compared to former mayor Justin Lester who received 27,302.
*

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12277721
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October 18, 2019 12:20pm
- chaos
  
  * Ousted Wellington Mayor Justin Lester expects there will be an official recount, after it emerged he was defeated by mayor-elect Andy Foster by just 62 votes.*
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/wellington/116690067/justin-lester-loses-wellington-mayoral-chains-to-andy-foster-by-just-62-votes
  
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  October 18, 2019 1:32pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  WOW! As my partner said, “That is REALLY tight”
  
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  October 18, 2019 1:57pm
  - rockape
    
    Havnt you told him he is delving in the wrong hole?
    Thats for insulting us Scots!
    
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    October 18, 2019 8:47pm
- godruelf
  
  Makes the effort of getting on the Ratepayer Roll and then voting all worthwhile
  
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  October 18, 2019 2:30pm
  - sooty
    
    Why?
    Only if he whinges like the girly boy he is.
    Don’t expect any help from a Labour.
    You are on your own!
    
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    October 18, 2019 3:07pm
Bobba Fret

That’s a bit close. I thought after the JAG letter (which should be released soon????) I thought there would have been more backlash against Lester.
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October 18, 2019 12:40pm
- Colville
  
  Shows that incumbency and name recognition is (almost) all it takes to keep your nose in the trough.
  
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  October 18, 2019 3:21pm
Hugh Pavletich

CHINA …

China’s electronics exporters desperately look for an escape from US trade war nightmare … South China Morning Post

https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3033358/chinas-electronics-exporters-desperately-look-escape-us-trade

• Exhibitors at the Hong Kong Electronics Fair said American buyers were thin on the ground, with trade war tariffs killing much of the market

• Some companies have joined the exodus of manufacturers from China to Vietnam, while others are absorbing tariff costs, but trade war fatigue has set in
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China’s GDP growth to grind to 27-1/2 year low as tariffs hit demand … Reuters

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-economy-gdp/chinas-gdp-growth-to-grind-to-27-1-2-year-low-as-tariffs-hit-demand-idUSKBN1WW32X
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October 18, 2019 12:56pm
sooty

Tvnz will be pleased with the news about tv3, the wages of their people have just gone down!
Would you stay or bail?
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October 18, 2019 1:06pm
- Inandout
  
  sooty, why hasn’t TVNZ been set afloat without taxpayer’s money backing them up? Red radio and Red TV is so out of date in the world today, perhaps only the BBC hanging in there with license fees. TV3 is proving the old saying, ‘go woke, go broke’. Seems no one has told Garner that Maori Language Week finished a while back.
  
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  October 18, 2019 2:45pm
rouppe

After reading this, can you believe that “Justice Powell declined to impose preventive detention and said he could not be sure Haerewa was likely to commit a qualifying serious violent offence.”?
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October 18, 2019 1:35pm
- secondcumming
  
  @ rouppe
  Yep….it certainly doesn’t get much worse than this.
  And have you noticed how the Dudges that hand out *wet bus tickets* to feral scum like this, often have the same ‘look’ about them?
  
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  October 18, 2019 2:31pm
Jack5

? Are we sleepers ignoring the Woken’s drive to have boards that govern organisations based on gender proportion?

On Stuff, Rob Stock writes about the campaign to get more women running NZ Rugby. (He doesn’t mention how Australian rugby is going with a Kiwi sheila running it.)

NZ Rugby bureaucrats seem to be going along with this, and that may provide schadenfreude comfort to some NZ fans if the Irish wallop the All Blacks.

Here’s an extract from the Stuff report – Champions for Change, which reporter Stock says is “a group of around 50 powerful chief executives and chairmen and women from some of the biggest businesses and organisations in the country, who are working to get more women, and non-Pakeha, into decision-making positions”:

Collectively, Champions for Change organisations were doing better on gender equality than companies listed on the NZX sharemarket with their boards on average composed of 37 per cent women compared to 23 per cent for NZX-listed companies.

“Our target is 40:40:20 for gender balance on boards, so it’s great to see us getting so close,” said Champions’ co-chair David McLean, Westpac [NZ] chief executive.
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October 18, 2019 1:50pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  “…who are working to get more women, and non-Pakeha, into decision-making positions”
  
  Authoritarians seek equality of outcome.
  
  Repeat after me:
  “Selecting someone based on their sex is sexist.”
  “Selecting someone based on their race is racist.”
  
  No exceptions.
  
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  October 18, 2019 2:16pm
JibberJabber

Looks like the fight back is beginning,
https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1184838441214734338
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October 18, 2019 2:31pm
cmm

https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/kiwi-traveller/116681495/the-truth-about-south-africa-according-to-kiwis-who-live-there

Well a pretty rose tinted version of the truth…
Anyone that goes to live in South Africa using this as information deserves anything they get.

Sure they relate some of the crime, but the people they mention got off lightly with just a few muggings and rape attempts.

Every family can relate stuff like that. Most know people who have been murdered etc.

For every nice beach in South Africa, there’s a nice one in NZ too – one where you probably won’t get mugged and the chances of getting back to your car and finding it still there is better than 50-50 – even in Northland.

I’m never going back to that shit hole. Not even for 5 minutes.
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October 18, 2019 2:34pm
- Swifty
  
  I’d prefer you stayed here too.
  
  🙂
  
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  October 18, 2019 5:14pm
Bell-47

Looks like Simon have caved to Mallard and is taking down the “attack video’s”. FFS. Anyway, other than the All Blacks on Saturday, I will be keeping a close eye on the elections in Canada. Hopefully, Trudeau and his woke cohorts get the arse card on Tuesday. One can only hope, for the sake of all Canadians he is gone.
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October 18, 2019 2:36pm
- The King
  
  “Bridges grew up in Te Atatu, West Auckland, and attended Rutherford College. There, he was taught by future Labour Education Minister Chris Carter”
  
  Taught
  
  By
  
  Labour
  
  When are you muppets going to wake up to this Labour infiltrator destroying your party?
  
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  October 18, 2019 2:49pm
  - Bell-47
    
    3 of my daughters and a son went to Rutherford college. Not one of then is a Labour voter. Just saying..Perhaps their parents taught them well..
    
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    October 18, 2019 5:47pm
- cmm
  
  Thank you, us Canukistanis need all the hope we can get.
  
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  October 18, 2019 3:01pm
chaos

Awww, come on Simon, don’t give the speaker anything

* National Party leader Simon Bridges has changed his tune and decided to comply with the Speaker’s ruling by taking down all National’s attack videos that feature Parliament TV footage.

This will mean that Speaker Trevor Mallard’s restrictions on the number of questions Bridges can ask during Question Time will be lifted.

Bridges’ compliance appears to be in contrast with his statements on Tuesday, when he said it was doubtful the videos would be removed from social media.

“The feedback has been overwhelming. People want to see, from us, important issues,” Bridges said on Tuesday.*

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12277765
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October 18, 2019 2:37pm
- Tall Man
  
  Point made, he’s moving on.
  
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  October 18, 2019 5:17pm
  - chaos
    
    Or giving in to Trevor’s threats
    
    *The Speaker has indicated the work of the Standing Orders Committee would progress more quickly and effectively if the videos flagged were taken down.*
    
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    October 18, 2019 6:55pm
    - rockape
      
      Wouldnt Bridges want that!
      
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      October 18, 2019 8:50pm
      - chaos
        
        no, he shouldn’t bend over for the speaker threatening him. Bridges caved in to a threat from mallard
        
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        October 18, 2019 11:01pm
Maggie Pie

Just having a cuppa and a KK with my partners mum. She was saying one of the silly old coots at the village [who has close ties to NZFirst], was telling her that they are looking at giving Supanuitants a one-week Xmas bonus in December.
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October 18, 2019 2:43pm
- chaos
  
  The bonus will be a nude calendar of NZ First MPs…..
  
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  October 18, 2019 3:43pm
- barnacle bill
  
  Maggie, I recall it was you or another who said exactly the same thing prior to Xmas last year.
  
  It did not eventuate, what happened ?
  
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  October 18, 2019 4:25pm
  - sooty
    
    Whinestone trousered it all!
    
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    October 18, 2019 5:56pm
- Jules99
  
  I would rather see them take GST off rates as per their pre-election policies. Rates is a tax (try taking your custom elsewhere and you’ll find you can’t). We are paying tax on a tax.
  
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  October 18, 2019 4:48pm
chaos

Wtf, did I miss something, the government plans to make tv1 commercial free, no wonder media works want to sell

* MediaWorks chief executive Michael Anderson has left the door open to changing its plan to sell its television business if government media policy changes, while making clear its intention to sell the business is genuine.

The company has previously called for the Government to make TV One commercial free, and reacted furiously to a government decision to allow TVNZ to suspend dividends for the foreseeable future and operate at a $17 million loss this year.

Commenting on the timing of its announcement on Friday that it had appointed adviser UBS to find a buyer for its television arm, Anderson said MediaWorks was aware the Government was due to make an announcement prior to Christmas on broadcasting policy.

“But it wouldn’t work for us to try to put everything on hold and wait for that without knowing what it might be”, he said. It would review any information it received from the Government, he said.

“Is it a ‘set and forget’ in terms of this process? No.

“But at the same time, right now, this is we believe the best approach.”

MediaWorks was not going through the process to try to “force some sort of opportunity”, he added. “The process is the process. We are putting the business up for sale. We’d be silly to ignore changes that might occur, but we are not expecting anything to change at this point in time, but we are open.”

Anderson said MediaWorks had announced its television-sale plan now as it wanted to start its next financial year in January in a “clean state”.

In terms of the decline in television revenues, 2019 had been “by far the worst year” since he arrived in 2016. But the move to sell the business was not a response to an operationally bad year. “This is in response to ongoing challenges,” he said.

He would not forecast how long the sale process might take, saying there was “no defined time frame”. “It will be what it will be, of course it is not open-ended in terms of lasting for years. But it will depend on who is interested and how that narrows down and progresses.”*

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/116684153/live-mediaworks-tv-business-up-for-sale

Found it

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/115029969/big-call-coming-on-whether-to-merge-tvnz-and-rnz-and-make-tv-one-commercialfree

* The Government appears to be getting closer to making a decision on whether to merge TVNZ and RNZ and turn TV One into a commercial-free channel. *
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October 18, 2019 2:46pm
- sooty
  
  So Lanour want to pay the millions to keep it running with no revenue!
  Tv liecences making a comeback?
  
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  October 18, 2019 5:55pm
rightoverlabour

Some eyewatering stats… Kiwis don’t know the paradise they live in.

https://southafricatoday.net/south-africa-news/ungodly-and-uncivilised-the-destruction-of-a-country/?fbclid=IwAR0z9zeVlFO7MWmbjxn4B5dzlSzSVk8IKRs7rh4PZlFxw58Bqcw3NoDdr8I
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October 18, 2019 3:07pm
- DigNap15
  
  Like most African countries they are still very tribal, corrupt and uneducated.
  But most Zimbaweans seem to be well educated, they just have a corrupt government.
  
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  October 19, 2019 10:20am
- DigNap15
  
  Yes and look at the news from Mexico
  Their gangs are out of control, literally.
  The police and even the army are scared to take them on.
  
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  October 19, 2019 10:21am
OTGO

There is a lot of wrong in this photo from the ODT.
https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/roller-ends-harbour
Firstly how the fuck do you drive something that probably has a top speed of 10kph into the harbour.
Then count how many orange safety vests are there having a gander at it. I counted 9 but there could be a tenth behind the green vested guy.
Then there’s the orange cones. Don’t get me started on cones…
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October 18, 2019 3:23pm
- Doctor Who
  
  Probably gravity.
  
  Okay, I won’t get you started on cones.
  
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  October 18, 2019 4:29pm
  - sooty
    
    Asleep,
    Playing spacies,
    Drugged.
    Imagining a hot night with your goat,
    Machanical malfunction,
    Strong wind,
    
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    October 18, 2019 5:52pm
Gravelroad

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/116670293/child-killer-benny-haerewa-released-from-prison-subjected-new-partner-and-children-to-years-of-violence

So let me get this straight: a sadistic child murderer and violent thug is released from prison and is almost immediately invited to move in with a woman and her children. He then starts bashing the woman and threatening and bullying her children.
I know it is not politically correct to say this, but I have less and less sympathy for women who allow these criminals into their lives at the expense of themselves and their children.
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October 18, 2019 3:40pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Being a solo mom is a pretty hard life and frequently very lonely, and a lot of them are unable to attract nice guys as partners – lots of men aren’t interested in accommodating others kids. It is also hard to get rid of someone with a violent temperament when you are poor, you haven’t got money to cover a move, may not have a car, and are in great danger of violent revenge etc.
  
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  October 18, 2019 4:53pm
  - Tall Man
    
    So cohabiting with an abuser is ok if you’re lonely?
    
    Asking for a friend…..
    
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    October 18, 2019 5:11pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Women become solo mothers out of choice or out of unforseen circumstances.
    
    There are:
    – Welfare mums who have children for the welfare payments
    – Women who have a child out of wedlock (it just happens, you know, and then we drift apart)
    – Women who have a marriage break-up
    – Widows
    
    Which of these solo mothers is the most likely come off the worst in life?
    
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    October 18, 2019 5:22pm
  - DigNap15
    
    So don’t be a solo mum
    You should have found a good man in the first place and looked after him.
    
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    October 19, 2019 10:17am
Hugh Pavletich

IRELAND – DUBLIN’S HOUSING BUBBLE & IRRESPONSIBLE BANKERS (AGAIN) …

Home truths: Ease mortgage lending limits? Relax.. don’t do it … Mark Keenan … Irish Independent

https://www.independent.ie/life/home-garden/home-truths-ease-mortgage-lending-limits-relax-dont-do-it-38601738.html

… extract …

… So exactly how affordable are Dublin prices by international standards? Well let’s ask an independent global authority rather than a local mortgage lending boss. The annual international Demographia survey of global housing affordability (it’s now in its 14th year) is always a good reference on this one.

The Demographia survey is produced in New York to show the impact of affordability on global economies overall. And this year it has given Dublin an affordability index of 4.8.

So how does that compare with other cities around the world? Well ‘affordable’ cities by Demographia’s estimates are those which have an index which stands at 3 or below. These include cities such as Oklahoma (2.7) and Detroit (3). Those cities which produce an affordability index of between 3.1 and 4 are deemed to be “moderately unaffordable”. But its 2019 score of 4.8 places Dublin in the higher echelons of the 4.1 to 5 bracket. Cities in this band are deemed to be “seriously unaffordable”.

And if Dublin prices rose even slightly, as a relaxing of the lending rules might entail, then its score would likely end up at just over 5, or in the “severely unaffordable” band alongside cities such as Hong Kong, London and Toronto, which are all deemed to be at “greatest bubble risk” and the cities Demographia named this year as most at risk of having a property crash event.

Demographia’s 2019 report should perhaps be read by Irish bankers who are finished getting shut of the crash’s bad loans at the expense of the taxpayer (loans which they originally approved) and are now champing at the bit for some fresh mortgage lending action. … read more via hyperlink above …
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October 18, 2019 4:32pm
Maggie Pie

My partners just got home from work.
Apparently someone called him a c~~t this morning.
He was wondering if that’s considered a pronoun?
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October 18, 2019 4:46pm
- chaos
  
  Did he ask you why you called him that?
  
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  October 18, 2019 5:06pm
- Tall Man
  
  Possibly, haven’t met him/her/them.
  
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  October 18, 2019 5:10pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  No, it’s a gendered noun.
  It should be outlawed along with dick and prick.
  
  Woke folk need to use neuter obscenities
  such as Hey Genitals, or Shut up Reproductive organ!
  
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  October 18, 2019 6:04pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    LOL!!! Cheers Maggs…
    
    As soon as dinners ready I’m going to call out,
    “Hey genitals, its on the table!” 😛
    
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    October 18, 2019 6:37pm
- Inandout
  
  MP, whenever I accused someone of being that they would generally reply, ‘at least c…s are useful’.
  
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  October 18, 2019 6:52pm
JackB

I have a serious question. There has been a lot of hand wringing recently over gangs and their changing character, prosperity, public relations etc etc. My question is why, in 2019, does this country tolerate the existence of gangs at all?
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October 18, 2019 5:38pm
- nasska
  
  …..”why”…..
  
  Easy. The only way to outlaw gangs would involve restricting the rights of all people to gather with each other or form associations.
  
  The same laws would make political, parties or churches illegal organisations.
  
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  October 18, 2019 7:55pm
  - Nookin
    
    Political parties and churches illegal ? And you have a problem with that?
    
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    October 18, 2019 9:03pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    That is done already for ex crims – not allowed to associate with others. It isn’t that hard to write law that proscribes criminal gang associations without hitting anyone else.
    
    Gangs operate primarily as intimidatory organisations. Deny them their visible regalia and they lose much of their power. Just have to make it possible for police to declare whatever insignia they choose (patches, bandanas or what ever else they come up with) illegal – grounds for arrest/confiscation. Make it illegal for them to communicate or associate with other convicted members and you make it even harder for them to exist.
    
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    October 18, 2019 9:43pm
    - JackB
      
      Simply giving up through the fear of the consequences for other legitimate forms of social interaction is a weak and unprincipled response to this menace. It seems to me that between politicians ducking the hard decisions and the Police leadership, ducking the politically unpopular, there is plenty of room for gangs to prosper – and business seems to be booming. For those with political skin in the game it is always easier to manage a crisis – so let’s wait until one develops, eh? Cynical? Moi?
      
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      October 21, 2019 6:50am
Hugh Pavletich

Obese people are ‘drowning in their own fat’, as it blocks airways in the lungs, study finds … UK Telegraph

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/10/17/obese-people-drowning-fat-blocks-airways-lungs-study-finds/

Obese people are drowning in their own fat, as it blocks airways in the lungs, research suggests. A new study provides the first evidence that fat can accumulate in the airway walls, hindering efforts to breathe.

Scientists already know that people who are overweight or obese are more likely to suffer with wheezing and asthma, but the reasons for this have not been completely explained.

The new study, published in the European Respiratory Journal, suggests that the fatty tissue alters the structure of people’s airways – and could be one reason behind the increased risk of asthma…. Read more via hyperlink above …
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October 18, 2019 6:13pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Not a good day for Dr Wayne Mapp, suffering from a foggy memory.
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/didnt-take-any-action-former-defence-minister-under-scrutiny-operation-burnham-inquiry-wraps-up
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October 18, 2019 7:03pm
tranquil

The complete and utter **shambles** that the CoL has made of everything has made me even more certain that we should insist on some kind of tests for both those standing for office and for voters.

How crazy is it that some of the most important jobs in the country (MPs) are able to be filled by people with no qualifications and **zero competence**.

Voting too should be subject to some kind of test. How can it be that a knuckledragging leftist is not only able to vote but their vote has the same “weight” as conservatives who are very familiar with economics and who know that so-called “climate change” is BS!

Ok sure, “the devil is in the details” but surely **some** kind of filtering of both candidates and voters is **long** overdue.
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October 18, 2019 9:35pm
- chaos
  
  When you want deny people the vote because you don’t support who they vote for or who they are then you are against democracy and everything all those soldiers who died for you are against
  
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  October 18, 2019 10:58pm
DigNap15

Re Gangs
Look what the gangs are doing in Mexico
200,000 murders in the last 10 years
14 policmen killed in an ambush last week.
Yesterday the gangs forced the release of their leader from the police and the army. (they were too scared to fight back). It was a pitched battle in the streets!
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