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Maggie Pie

“RIGHT”

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October 16, 2019 8:01am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Somehow, on one level or another, both these seem to apply to JA and this Coalition of losers
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5mtclwloEQ
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5XX9LX2es4
  
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  October 16, 2019 8:42am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    First one is their view of themselves
    2nd is their policy development methodology.
    
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    October 16, 2019 9:08am
Steve Todd

I think it’s rather interesting that the new mayors of Wellington and Porirua were also incumbent councillors – both of whom were seeking re-election to their respective councils – in the wards with the highest participation rates.

In Wellington, the participation rate in Andy Foster’s Onslow-Western Ward was 47.51%. Across the rest of the city, it was 37.72%. (As an aside, the ward with the second-highest participation rate was the Eastern Ward, where Shelly Bay is situated, with 40.83%. Not only do the Jacksons (who live on the other side of the Miramar Peninsula from Shelly Bay) and Foster oppose the proposed development there, but so too do all 14 newly (re-)elected councillors. See https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/116538160/blow-for-wellingtons-shelly-bay-with-most-new-councillors-opposed.)

In Porirua, the participation rate in Anita Baker’s Northern Ward was 48.80%. Across the rest of the city, it was 33.77%.

It all just goes to show, when you want change, voting really does count, especially when the electoral system is STV.
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October 16, 2019 8:01am
- niggly
  
  Hi Steve, genuine question (asking as you are very knowledgeable about voting systems), what’s the point of using STV when electing a Mayor i.e. when there is only one position to fill?
  
  Why not use FPP for that particular position (but use STV for when electing multiple candidates eg councilors)?
  
  Next question, if FPP was used for the Wellington mayoralty would Justin Lester have won over Andy Foster?
  
  (IIRC you were saying a few days ago that Lester won every iteration apart from the last)?
  
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  October 16, 2019 8:55am
  - James Stephenson
    
    STV prevents two strong candidates splitting a voting demographic and letting a third candidate come “through the middle”.
    
    FPP really doesn’t work for choices between more than two parties – as UKIP know only too well.
    
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    October 16, 2019 9:27am
  - Steve Todd
    
    Oh boy, niggly. Where to start?
    
    I have posted this link before, but not recently, so I post it again now, for your information: https://dunedinstadium.wordpress.com/2010/08/26/in-defence-of-stv-2/, then scroll down to the bottom of the article and click on the first link, where single-vacancy STV is explained. (The other links are very informative, too.)
    
    The main point of using STV to fill single vacancies is to ensure that every voter has a fair say as to who gets elected. With STV, the winner must receive 50%+ of the votes cast. It is not enough for the winner to receive just 35–40% of the votes, meaning that 60%+ of voters may as well not have bothered participating.
    
    The candidate who is leading at the first iteration isn’t necessarily the candidate who is preferred over all others by an absolute majority of those who vote. The most famous example of this is when Celia Wade-Brown came from behind to defeat Kerry Prendergast, in 2010. I have set out what happened in that election, here, http://www.stephenfranks.co.nz/index.php?s=STV. (See, at the first link, Stephen Franks’ reproduction of my comments from Public Address, that he links to, and, at the second link, see my reponse to Kathryn in the ‘Comments’.)
    
    Now that more and more voters are becoming used to using STV, we are starting to see this happen more often. Mike Tana came from behind to win the Porirua mayoralty in 2016; Andy Foster did it this time (as you know), and so too did Aaron Hawkins, in Dunedin. Indeed, Hawkins’ feat is the first occasion where a candidate who did not receive the most first-preference votes, took the lead at the penultimate iteration, rather than at the final iteration.
    
    Why not use FPP for mayoralty positions? Because FPP is unfair, and because it is a highly unsatisfactory way to find a winner. Just browse the comments here, since Saturday. (For example, see my response to James Stephenson, at ‘Local election results’.) See how unsatisfied Auckland Kiwibloggers are at the mayoralty outcome there. When, under FPP, you only have to get one vote more than anyone else, to win, and you only received 35% of the votes yourself, it becomes too hard, too costly, to unseat an incumbent.
    
    In my response to RoboRob on Monday (‘A tale of two Mayors’), I said that Justin probably would have won had the election been by FPP. People vote differently under different electoral systems. I said that because I believe Lester would have benefitted from the vagaries of FPP, particularly vote-splitting on the Right. With FPP, it is by no means certain that Sir Peter Jackson would have played the role in this election that he did. He might well have concluded that he would be throwing his money away.
    
    Finally, single-vacancy STV is used to elect the President of Ireland, and to elect each of the 151 members of the Australian House of Representatives. If it was a “bad” system, it would have been chucked decades ago.
    
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    October 16, 2019 10:37am
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    STV is better. If Foster and Lester were the only two candidates, Foster would have won. STV ensures that still happens when there are other, less popular, candidates in the mix.
    
    Under an FPP election, who knows what would have happened? People would have made different choices. Calvert might not have stood, or people who ranked Calvert then Foster then Lester might have just voted for Foster. Or the vote could have split letting Lester win.
    
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    October 16, 2019 10:46am
  - Stephen Russell
    
    In an FPP election the candidate with the most votes wins, even if that is a minority of the vote. It is quite possible to win with less than a third of the vote.
    
    In an STV election, those who vote for the last-placed candidate get their votes reallocated to their second choice (so the vote is not wasted). That reallocation is repeated until one candidate has a true majority (over 50%) of the vote.
    
    Assuming that under FPP Wellingtonians would have ticked whoever they chose as first choice under STV, then yes: Lester would have won.
    
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    October 16, 2019 10:47am
Scott

Yesterday Brett Bauer and Britt Hume on Fox News Special Report reported that sources close to the president have said that Erdoğan told Pres Trump he was going into Syria to fight the Kurds. According to the reporting Pres Trump had no choice but to pull out his 50 troops or else they would be in harm’s way.

So essentially Trump could have had his troops fight the Turks but 50 soldiers would quickly have been overwhelmed. Or he did what he did, which was to pull out his troops.

Or else he could have started fighting against Turkey by bombing them and bringing in more troops. Which no one wants, not Trump, not Congress and not the American people.

Trump has withdrawn American troops. The war would have been on and Trump had no say in the matter.

Sometimes we have to accept realities such as America cannot be the world’s policeman. As it is the Kurds have a new partner in Assad of Syria who is actively helping them fight the Turks.
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October 16, 2019 8:06am
- Simon
  
  ” accept realities such as America cannot be the world’s policeman.”
  
  How dare you!
  
  Yep cant see any information about NZ military moving into northern Syria.
  
  Of course all the snotty kiwis going about Trump & Syria are free to head out themselves.
  
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  October 16, 2019 8:26am
  - Tall Man
    
    And even if they did Simon the nutjobs over there would be back at it within 5 minutes of the “ceasefire”.
    
    Someone fucked someone else’s camel 500 years ago and so we must emasculate his descendants.
    
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    October 16, 2019 8:45am
    - pb
      
      So the Kurds allied with Assad, and have lured the Turks into an economic and military death pit. Nice. Korea, Libya, Yemeni, Iraq, Afghanistan to go. The Neo-cons won’t be happy. Expect false flags to rain down like confetti at the homecoming parade.
      
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      October 16, 2019 3:04pm
- stephieboy
  
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  Scott an inglorious rationalisation and justification for a President who is obviously nuts,
  
  ’My Great and Unmatched Wisdom’: Trump Ignores Warnings on Syria Retreat, Threatens to ‘Destroy’ Turkish Economy
  
  “..The decision is the latest example of Trump’s reliably inconsistent presidency. Rather than stick to a detailed script provided by his aides, with calculated and foreseeable consequences, Trump has opted to improvise, judge risk on the fly and quickly make a decision, often contrary to the advice of top U.S. generals and national security advisers.
  At times, his top aides and his backers in Congress have fallen into line or at least played along. This time, the reaction was different.
  Trump’s decision drew widespread condemnation across Washington, even among senior Republicans, such as Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, Sen. Marco Rubio and Sen. Lindsey Graham. Prior Administration officials like Nikki Haley, former U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, and Brett McGurk, the former counter-ISIS envoy at the State Department also attacked the decision. “The consequences of such unreliability from the Oval will reverberate well beyond Syria,” McGurk posted on Twitter. “The value of an American handshake is depreciating. Trump today said we could ‘crush ISIS again’ if it regenerated. With who? What allies would sign up? Who would fight on his assurances?…”
  
  https://time.com/5694735/my-great-and-unmatched-wisdom-trump-ignores-warnings-on-syria-retreat-threatens-to-destroy-turkish-economy/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=the-brief&utm_content=20191008&xid=newsletter-brief
  
  I repeat ,
  
  “Threatens to ‘Destroy’ Turkish Economy”
  
  The POTUS is nuts !
  
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  October 16, 2019 8:48am
  - Scott
    
    Stephieboy my dear fellow. You are not engaging with the substance of my post. Trump had no choice when Erdogan told him that Turkish troops are going in.
    Trump did the only thing he could. Get American troops out of harm’s way. And then pressure Turkey with economic sanctions.
    
    Given these facts what would you have Pres Trump do? Start a war with Turkey?
    
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    October 16, 2019 9:16am
    - Tall Man
      
      Still wrestling with that pig………
      
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      October 16, 2019 9:50am
    - stephieboy
      
      Scott,” had no choice”
      
      ???
      
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      October 16, 2019 10:28am
    - Stephen Russell
      
      I would take the anonymous briefings of “sources close to the president” with a large pinch of salt.
      
      I also find it hard to imagine that Erdogan would really have ordered his soldiers to shoot at US soldiers.
      
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      October 16, 2019 11:10am
      - Raphael
        
        Why do you doubt that? just this week there was an article about his troops “accidently” bombing US troops.
        
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12275881
        
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        October 16, 2019 3:41pm
  - atomic drop
    
    Hillary Clinton threatened to wipe Iran off the map on behalf of Hebrewland.
    
    Globalists are nuts!
    
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    October 16, 2019 9:17am
    - stephieboy
      
      atomic drop,
      
      Mere fiery campaign rhetoric to appease the US Pro Israel lobby
      
      “A reader from England called my attention to this item from today’s Haaretz, in which Hillary Clinton–seeking to outdo Barack Obama in the candidates’ frenzied bidding war to be the most “pro-Israel”–promises to essentially wipe Iran from the map if it nuked Israel.”
      
      https://harpers.org/blog/2008/04/hillary-well-totally-obliterate-iran/
      
      Hawkish Nationalist Republicans would phrase it no differently including Trump!
      
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      October 16, 2019 10:40am
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  Ah, Make America Great Again, by running away???
  
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  October 16, 2019 11:35am
  - IC5000
    
    Vote for a clown end up with a circus.
    
    MAGA 2020
    
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    October 16, 2019 4:13pm
Scott

While on the other side of the aisle Mark Simone just tweeted that Hunter Biden was also on the boards of Amtrak and Master Card! What a career. Most people start out as an intern. Hunter never even started with an actual job, just went right to the board of directors at every company.

Is that an amazing success story?

Or is it because his father was the vice president of the United States of America? You decide.

Interestingly enough James Freeman of the Wall Street Journal said reporters have gone to China to another company where Hunter Biden was on the board of directors. The receptionist said that she has never seen Hunter Biden. So what did the Chinese company pay for?

And lastly ponder this. Who knows what great heights Hunter will ascend to if his father actually becomes president? ?
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October 16, 2019 8:07am
- chaos
  
  Hunter was in the navy before all of this but was kicked out of the navy for a failed drug test.
  
  https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/joe-bidens-son-hunter-kicked-out-navy-cocaine-n227811
  
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  October 16, 2019 8:17am
  - Tall Man
    
    Sounds like just the sort of “winner” ardern needs. Get lees-galloway on the phone cindy……
    
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    October 16, 2019 8:46am
  - Brian Marshall
    
    Worse. He left his wife for his brothers widow, but abandoned her later on too. Drugs were mentioned as being partially responsible for that. What a great catch for any board of directors to help run a business.
    
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    October 16, 2019 10:01am
    - SGA
      
      On ther other hand, President G.W. Bush appointed him to Amtrak’s board of directors in 2006? Why did Bush do that?
      
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      October 16, 2019 10:53am
      - Ed Snack
        
        Jobs for the boys no doubt. GWB was as swampy as they come.
        
        The whole Biden family has profited immensely from Joe’s political positions. His brother is another large scale grifter.
        
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        October 16, 2019 12:09pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  I was thinking that.
  Not that daddy protected Hunter from corruption investigations (he’s to incompetent to be corrupt)
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  daddy used his influence and strong arm, to get junior a job, is was no way qualified to get for himself.
  The quid pro quo in Ukraine…
  I’ll get the corruption investigator off your back and you give Hunter a job.
  
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  October 16, 2019 8:48am
- atomic drop
  
  Its not like the Bidens are the only ones. US Globalist elite have been doing this for decades, running a train on white America and reaping enormous wealth. Its just the Dems impeachment gambit means they have to throw Biden under the bus.
  
  Looks like the US swamp critters have stared into the tea leaves and see Trumping winning 2020, so are ramping up efforts on their soft coup, and writing off Biden as collateral damage.
  
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  October 16, 2019 9:26am
  - MCos
    
    “Its not like the Bidens are the only ones.”
    If it’s nepotism you’re grizzling about look no further than the current White House.
    Trump’s daughter & son in law, Barr’s son, Huckabee’s daughter . . . . .
    
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    October 16, 2019 10:29am
    - Tall Man
      
      Are they doing something or just collecting the $$$$$$?
      
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      October 16, 2019 11:48am
      - MCos
        
        It doesn’t matter.
        They are there because of who their fathers are.
        
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        October 16, 2019 12:00pm
    - Ed Snack
      
      I would think that there would be a lot less of a problem for the Biden’s if Joe had simply employed Hunter in some capacity directly. Hunter would then be paid by the US taxpayer a defined salary and he would have a defined role. People might well complain but the actual $ value is minimal and it is fairly harmless. They might even be quite good at the job.
      
      What he was doing though appears to be the bagman for Biden Inc, taking money from sources in places where Joe Biden as VP had special responsibilities. He collected many millions and for undefined reasons/favours. And Joe’s interference was specifically to get Hunter positions and to get him paid large sums. Oligarchs are quite happy to pay for influence, but they do like to get a return on their investments. And that’s the corrupt element.
      
      I’m not in favour of nepotism in general but it happens everywhere and as long as it is public enough and controlled to a degree it’s not particularly damaging. Selling influence though is damaging.
      
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      October 16, 2019 11:57am
- Jules99
  
  How long until we get to Clinton’s daughter who walked straight into a board post at a prestigious company when she left uni?
  
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  October 16, 2019 10:22am
  - Ed Snack
    
    And a media “job” that paid hundreds of thousands for about 2 appearances on screen ? Plus she has a various positions with the network of Clinton Foundation establishments and is paid very handsomely for that. Only an issue in that the CF is a tax-free foundation that relies on donations, and over the years a huge proportion of the “charitable” donations have gone to paying staff and for staff expenses.
    
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    October 16, 2019 12:02pm
- Stephen Russell
  
  What this shows is that these companies thought that having HB on their board would be beneficial for them. They might have thought that they were buying influence. They might have thought it would look good. They might have thought it would make other people THINK they had influence in high places.
  It is not evidence that HB did anything other than take advantage of their gullibility and/or desire to be seen rubbing shoulders with important people.
  It is not evidence that JB did anything wrong. I am not ruling that out of course, but you will need a little more evidence if you want to go there.
  
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  October 16, 2019 11:17am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Burisma is implicated in a web of Money laundering, investigations into that have been re-opened. It is also alleged (under some sort of investigation) that large parts of the IMF and US Aid money was simply laundered through various entities associated with Burisma via places like Latvia and Estonia ending up in Cyprus – all for the benefit of various corrupt figures in Ukraine. Note that the list of “corrupt persons” in Ukraine is a very large list.
    
    Oligarchs don’t pay someone like HB up to $3M over a couple of years for nothing. They don’t play with “perceived influence” they want real effects.
    
    Investigate properly and the corruption will be revealed, but it may be hard to get at as Ukrainian oligarchs play hardball.
    
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    October 16, 2019 12:07pm
- Rich Prick
  
  Well, when Dad’s pulling a whopping US$175,000 salary, the rest of the family have to be put to work. That’s how they become multi-millionaires, just like the rest of us. /sarc.
  
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  October 16, 2019 1:42pm
nasska

‘Look at me! Look at me! Look at me! Look at me! Look at me! Look at me! Look at me! Look at me!’

Just saving you the bother of reading Jacinda Ardern’s mind.
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October 16, 2019 8:11am
- Tall Man
  
  Even a fine specimen like yourself doesn’t have the stamina to say it the 15,000 times that are in the book…… or it’s done in times new roman at 1400 point.
  
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  October 16, 2019 8:47am
- RW Capitalist
  
  To basterdise a David Beckham joke
  JA goes to the hair dressers
  The hair dresser puts a set of head phones on her
  After a while the hair dresser goes off to the toilet
  She comes back to find JA passed out on the floor
  The head phones have fallen off
  You can hear coming from them
  Breath in………Breath out
  Lack of oxygen causes fainting.
  
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  October 16, 2019 8:51am
Maggie Pie

Imagine if a family from Mt Roskill won tonites Lotto 🙁
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October 16, 2019 8:12am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Too late, already put in my reservation for the win.
  
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  October 16, 2019 8:52am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Bastard !
    
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    October 16, 2019 10:42am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Of the worst kind
      
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      October 16, 2019 12:49pm
- stephieboy
  
  Maggie Pie, a white family who a part of the majority in Mt Roskill?
  
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  October 16, 2019 10:51am
Happychappy

The closer we get to next years General Election the more policy Jacinda unveils the more Winston Peter’s will vote it down so his Party can reach the 5% threshold. It has started already with the fair pay agreement that Jacinda and Labour promised.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/10/labour-under-fire-from-frustrated-impatient-unions-calling-for-sector-wide-fair-pay-agreements.html
Jacinda in charge I very much doubt.
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October 16, 2019 8:15am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Winston this morning on Hosking making it quite clear that he expects to form the next government with Labour or Labour and Greens.
  
  There was obviously no doubt in Winstons mind, so any moderate/right voting for him is deluding themselves.
  
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  October 16, 2019 9:05am
JibberJabber

Thomas Sowell
If you want to see the poor remain poor, generation after generation, just keep the standards low in their schools and make excuses for their academic shortcomings and personal misbehavior. But please don’t congratulate yourself on your compassion.
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October 16, 2019 8:18am
- harvey wilson
  
  Love the Sowell quotes . Keep them coming
  
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  October 16, 2019 8:27am
Wangas Feral

I think that Piers Morgan chap is a dick for the most part, but his latest thing about identifying as a Penguin is just brilliant. It is sending SJWs into orbit with rage.
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October 16, 2019 8:20am
- kowtow
  
  In Bonkers Britain he’d want to watch out , Plod could decide it’s a serious public order offence.
  
  ‘Some of the stickers, which have been dotted around the city centre, state: “Woman: noun. Adult human female” and “Women don’t have penises”.
  
  Thames Valley Police has announced that those responsible could be charged with a public order offence and has appealed for witnesses.’
  
  https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/10/14/police-response-transphobic-stickers-branded-extraordinary/
  
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  October 16, 2019 8:36am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Imagine being arrested for a public order offence for quoting the OED !
    
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    October 16, 2019 10:43am
peterwn

Some years back as a result of new technology a few people were called on by detectives wearing Hallenstein suits about dud passports and serious consequences ensued.
A company has developed an ultrasonic device which can detect whether reforming bars and other steelwork is in place as intended in buildings. They have found a significant number of incidents where concrete was poured without the steel in place or where the steel was wrongly placed. This has cast doubt on the integrity of the buildings in question. Some cases were deliberate with reinforcing being omitted to save money which is straight out fraud – a serious criminal matter. Other cases were cover-ups of mistakes which is still fraud.
Unfortunately pursuing those responsible would not always be easy since construction companies involved could have been liquidated and pinning down individuals could be difficult.
People who purchased apartments in affected buildings could be badly hit since if the building is found to be seriously deficient the value of their apartments could greatly reduce or become unsellable.
This is an ominous development and it can only be hoped that the problem is not as serious as it has been made out.
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October 16, 2019 8:29am
- secondcumming
  
  “Worse than previously assumed……”
  
  You need only look at what is happening with Sydney’s *Mascot Towers*.
  It’s only a matter of time until Apartment owners in this country will be faced with the same reality.
  
  https://twitter.com/smh/status/1184064544370577408
  
  Watch out below.
  
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  October 16, 2019 9:27am
- atomic drop
  
  Have you been following what is happening in Aussie – apartment blocks collapsing, flooding, shaking, making creepy cracking noises in a strong wind.
  
  Thank you Globalism for putting Western Civilisation on a trajectory to 3rd World status. At least the 3rd worlders being herded into our countries will feel right at home. I guess that is the point.
  
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  October 16, 2019 9:31am
- kevn
  
  @peter… It actually sounds worse than stated. 1100 of the 1200 buildings had issues.
  That leaves a lot of un-inspected buildings.
  Leaky homes syndrome but x 100 times worse.
  Council building inspectors were where?
  
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  October 16, 2019 11:07am
  - peterwn
    
    Council building inspectors are not clerks of works (who are appointed by clients or architects to ensure things are done right).
    It would be a development too far if Councils were expected to have a full time inspector on site.
    If a clerk of works is engaged then he or she may supervise the project more intensively than a Council inspector could hope to. It would depend on the supervision level the client and/or architect thinks appropriate.
    Unfortunately for develop and sell situations the developer client may be content with little or no supervision as the developer would be out of the picture when it hits the fan. This leaves the end owner (either an investor or apartment owners) with the problem.
    I was somewhat appalled years ago to hear a prominent architect (now deceased) admitting to having reinforcing steel delivered to a site to show a building inspector then doing the work without reinforcing because the architect considered requirements were over the top.
    
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    October 16, 2019 11:49am
Simon

Ardern said Extinction Rebellion is a global force that they have the right to be heard. (nice smoothing words for the heaving unwashed mongs)

On being a global force. Can someone send me the Extinction Rebellion China link? Would quite interesting to see a wider political group to challenge the CCP’s management of the Chinese society and CCP’s own interests.

Vegan harvested body organs available on Alibaba in what 4 weeks?
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October 16, 2019 8:29am
- Wangas Feral
  
  Get in touch with the Extinction Rebellion leader – but you may have to find out which exotic destination she jetted to for some relaxation before you can interview her. This is the same woman who campaigns at airports against jet flights.
  
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  October 16, 2019 8:49am
- John Warren
  
  I was in Dunedin last week, and happened to be parked in the Octagon watching the eco-mongs goofing around and hugging each other on the grass in front of their sagging banner. There was just a dozen or so of the usual misfits: flannel-clad lesbians, gender-confused students, grubby hippies, and grey-haired women in crochet. I noticed nobody was paying them any attention. And then my youngest daughter, aged 9, pointed out that half of them were clutching single-use plastic bottles.
  
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  October 16, 2019 9:18am
  - atomic drop
    
    ” grey-haired women in crochet.”
    
    Apt description of Princess Cindys inner circle.
    
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    October 16, 2019 9:37am
  - Brian Marshall
    
    Here in Wellington, I was well up wind and away from them, but I did notice two retired looking people walking towards them with badges on. Later on I confirmed that the badge was the Extinction Rebellion symbol. Hope they make those oil derived jackets last, as they won’t be replacing them ever again. Right?
    
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    October 16, 2019 10:09am
- KevO'Brien
  
  At $400/week the pays not bad for dress ups.
  Rent-a-mob is not protest but anarchy. The Police do well to put it down.
  
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  October 16, 2019 9:27am
- atomic drop
  
  “they have the right to be heard. ”
  
  White people don’t have right to be heard though. They are the only force cable of putting an end to Globalism and restoring their once great countries.
  
  Whenever you hear Globalists or those marxist-lite brown females like Golly G Wizz going on about “hate” switch it out for “white men” and then you will understand what their intentions are.
  
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  October 16, 2019 9:36am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    There is no right to mayhem.
    Any right to impede others physically is very close to allowing assault.
    
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    October 16, 2019 3:16pm
- peterwn
  
  Who runs NZ? The Government or well financed foreign nationals who do not represent the interests of Kiwis and could not care if there are convictions, injuries or deaths among those they incite to protest.
  Perhaps Jacinda imagines herself to be one of those inciters in due course.
  
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  October 16, 2019 11:52am
Ford Prefect

Its very early in the new mayoral reign of Wellington, Porirua and the Hutt, but theres already a different feeling about the city. Maybe its relief. Or maybe its a hope that something non-woke will develop. Either way theres a freeing of tension and frustration.

Imagine the ecstasy when Labour goes the same way.
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October 16, 2019 8:36am
- Tall Man
  
  Payback 2020.
  
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  October 16, 2019 8:51am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Well, even woke Wellingtonians in an electric car or bus will actually want a usable road system.
  
  I used to walk everywhere in Wellington when I was young and fit, but I had time, energy and enormous frugality.
  
  This is what people accusing us of being ‘deniers’ for questioning some of the Climate Change Religion don’t get: many of us are real environmentalists who have lived frugally, grown our own veges, try to keep the sea and land clean and healthy, and have sensibly limited the number of kids we’ve had (yes Greta, I wouldn’t have ‘dared’ to have you!!).
  
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  October 16, 2019 9:15am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    First flatten the whole of wellington and rebuild the city. Grandiose dreams of a highway to the airport need to consider how you add roads to built-up mountain foothills.
    
    A gondola service from the Rail area up the hills and over might be possible.
    Another possibility is a widening of the road, using the sea, of the route around the coast to Evans Bay.
    
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    October 16, 2019 9:34am
- alloytoo
  
  Unless your name is JAG eh?
  
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  October 16, 2019 9:28am
- Brian Marshall
  
  Labour candidate won in Lower Hutt over Ray Wallace. I predict 3 years of disfunction for them.
  
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  October 16, 2019 10:11am
Maggie Pie

‘Truly I tell you, before the Cock Crows three times, you will deny me’
– Matthew 26:34

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EG3XyRTVUAAxWgy?format=jpg&name=small

Liar, Liar, pants on fire 🙂
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October 16, 2019 8:37am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Heh; Peter Ardern 😀
  
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  October 16, 2019 8:38am
  - Tall Man
    
    peters’ ardern.
    
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    October 16, 2019 8:53am
- Tall Man
  
  Yes Maggie, but whose Cock are we talking about and was it Grows?
  
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  October 16, 2019 8:52am
igm

Time for a concerted attack on getting principal ratepayers only, voting in local body elections.
Wellington now have a decent mayor, but he will be stymied by useless Green/Labour councillors, who are there for political reasons, NOT ratepayers.
Until we get only those of a responsible disposition voting, and not unaffected losers who see left-wing councillors as a way of getting at those who have a few dollars, we will get these unfair outcomes.
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October 16, 2019 8:37am
- stephieboy
  
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  igm , turning the clock back to the 1830s?
  
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  October 16, 2019 8:40am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Nobody under the age of 35 should be allowed a vote unless they already own a residence in the city or have an established minimum income of $100,000 p.a.
    
    Even 35 is a compromise.
    
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    October 16, 2019 9:38am
    - stephieboy
      
      Your living in the dark ages but do try and make a political issue out of come 2020.
      
      And why should the property frnachise prevail?
      
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      October 16, 2019 10:43am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Property shows achievement. Govt is too important to be limited to feelings. Govt is about making things work which takes a more mature perspective. Property owners have a stake.
        You’ll learn as you grow up.
        
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        October 16, 2019 11:23am
    - peterwn
      
      How many windows does the residence need?
      
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      October 16, 2019 11:54am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        As a crude test I would accept ana actual ratepayer as a sufficient.
        
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        October 16, 2019 3:22pm
- septic skeptic
  
  I think by far the biggest issue is a lack of sensible, credible candidates.
  
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  October 16, 2019 8:56am
- Steve Todd
  
  Hey, igm, I have asked you this question before, but you’ve never answered me. When you put your concerns to National’s Local Government spokesperson, Jacqui Dean, suggesting to her that when National return to power, the Local Electoral Act 2001 should be amended so that only “principal ratepayers” can vote in local elections, what was her response?
  
  And, apart from you twisting yourself inside out here, on this issue, what else does your “ratepayers only” campaign consist of? I need to know so I can oppose you every step of the way.
  
  You’re a sad man, igm. LOL.
  
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  October 16, 2019 9:06am
  - igm
    
    Lay odds 10:1 you are either a public servant or unemployable and live in a state house.
    You display all the traits of one of these losers.
    
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    October 16, 2019 9:26am
    - stephieboy
      
      igm, go and visit your GP for a frank assessment about your mental health!
      
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      October 16, 2019 10:44am
    - Steve Todd
      
      Why do you keep saying that, igm? I have told you / Kiwibloggers repeatedly what my general circumstances are, which are different to what you imagine.
      
      When are you going to answer my questions, igm? Until you start fronting up, I have no choice but to agree with aliog and stephieboy.
      
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      October 16, 2019 11:41am
- srylands
  
  I know you keep saying this. It will never happen. Do you have a Plan B?
  
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  October 16, 2019 9:07am
- peterwn
  
  If you own a unit titled apartment or a ‘company shares’ apartment (eg Gateways in Roseneath or Birchington in Thorndon) would you be a ‘principal ratepayer’.
  
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  October 16, 2019 11:57am
stephieboy

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
MAGA hat (red, black or blue) and bumper sticker

https://www.trademe.co.nz/clothing-fashion/men/accessories/hats-caps/listing-2356724842.htm

For those with low IQs like our local Red necks and Trumpistas.

Will they be brazenly used at ACT and New Conservative rallies?

Will even Simon and David Seymour be tempted to adopt them and wear them as rallying cries?
Though there might be some confusion choosing red, black or blue!
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October 16, 2019 8:39am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Stephie….not getting it since……ever
  To us MAGA hats are just an interesting phenomenon.
  We want to make NZ great, by removing these clowns (CoL), before they can do any more damage and everyone ends up living on the street.
  Which, incidentally, is Trumps point.
  
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  October 16, 2019 8:59am
  - Tall Man
    
    Ignore or downtick and move on.
    
    When you wrestle a pig…….
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqh6bIhWGIs
    
    https://quoteinvestigator.com/2017/07/08/pig/
    
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    October 16, 2019 9:29am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      But bar b que pork in very nice.
      I play for keeps
      
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      October 16, 2019 10:09am
  - stephieboy
    
    “Which, incidentally, is Trumps point.”
    
    ???
    
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    October 16, 2019 10:46am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      See…you didn’t get it.
      
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      October 16, 2019 11:02am
- rouppe
  
  Hey just remember, if you get burned often enough of course your neck is going to turn red.
  
  Natural cause and effect
  
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  October 16, 2019 9:17am
- Paulus
  
  I want my MAGA hat to identify
  
  MAKE ARDERN GO AWAY
  
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  October 16, 2019 9:29am
  - stephieboy
    
    Paulus , go ahead and shout aloud at your local dairy!
    
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    October 16, 2019 10:47am
- Libertarians are right
  
  You know red neck is a very racist term right? I thought you were against racism?
  
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  October 16, 2019 9:33am
  - stephieboy
    
    A racist term? Nope a very apt term!
    
    Maybe fascist is the better name
    
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    October 16, 2019 10:47am
- Greg Ettridge
  
  Stephie I am amazed this trade me seller still has 100% feedback, I thought you downticked anything and everyone that don’t tow the leftist line.
  No stone unturned and all that, this seller needs to be downticked, only problem is you may have to buy a MAGA hat to downtick.
  You could always send it to Winston, he could just put it aside and wait for the right moment to make the coming “cutting loose” announcement, with a MAGA hat on, you could be part of history.
  What is given, can be removed, Winston is supreme leader, don’t ever forget it.
  Jacinda is a mere puppet on a string.
  
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  October 16, 2019 10:37am
  - stephieboy
    
    I understand he has sold a grand total of 90 or thereabouts
    
    As for the rest blah, blah, blah
    
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    October 16, 2019 10:49am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      They are for the horses at the races–when stretched they fit both ears.
      
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      October 16, 2019 11:27am
    - Greg Ettridge
      
      “What is given, can be removed, Winston is supreme leader, don’t ever forget it.
      Jacinda is a mere puppet on a string.”
      Blah Blah Blah eh.
      You are not related to Bubble boy are you?
      This is a factual truth, unomfortable to some, but it is a fact, Winston has supreme control, had from the start and will have to finish of this rabble they call the COL. Jacinda in just a disposable pawn in the big game here.
      To think this is not the case, I am still to see any evidence of this.
      Enlighten me.
      
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      October 16, 2019 12:03pm
Classic Liberal

Soozie on Nat Radio this morning interviewing Simon Bridges: she just *can’t understand* why there is a difference between a rolling visa when we can’t send someone back to possible torture vs. actually giving them NZ residency. She just can’t understand it because it ‘makes no difference’. Unbelievable!

And right at the end of the interview she smugly dumps a bit of information she had somehow been leaked but Simon had not heard: supposedly the new resident had not committed any crimes in NZ for 7 years.

Simon clearly annoyed that bits of info are being leaked to favoured media only.
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October 16, 2019 8:56am
- niggly
  
  All I heard was Susie constantly over-talking Simon Bridges (her subconscious bias of disliking National shows up her lack of professionalism) but then an hour later I caught the tail-wind of her interviewing Iain Lees-Galloway on the same subject where she was let him speak without interrupting and they both signed off very chummily. How Morning Report standards have slipped since she (and Guyon initially) were chosen to front the programme – it’s no longer compulsory listening that’s for sure!
  
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  October 16, 2019 9:27am
  - Prince
    
    It’s always interesting to hear the left wing view, and the grammar is better than on The Standard.
    But yes, Bridges doesn’t get to say much with Ferguson interrupting and editorialising so often.
    
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    October 16, 2019 10:15am
  - oldgolfer
    
    Susie’s bias was not only showing, but glowing.
    She saves her special vitriol for Bridges, who is learning now that she has to be smacked down occasionally.
    
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    October 16, 2019 11:03am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      He needs to do a Winston and basically snarl at anyone who tries to interrupt him and really tell them off for it.
      
      Even when the MSM hated Winston for being ‘conservative’, they respected him enough to shut t.f. up and let him finish his statement when he told them to!
      
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      October 16, 2019 1:22pm
- alloytoo
  
  No doubt leaked by ILG, as he was running the “No Difference” Line hard on Hosking this morning.
  
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  October 16, 2019 9:31am
- Sacha
  
  I seem to remember that this matter was brought up during John Key’s admin when the ‘rolling visa’ vs citizenship arose. NZ was obliged to give shelter, but not obliged to give citizenship to an undesirable person who was under threat of death if repatriated. He felt that the rolling visa would give the person shelter as long as he behaved himself but not the ‘approval’ that citizenship would confer. Given the number of NZers who are convicted for repeated drunken driving incidents it seems a bit like the pot calling the kettle black.
  
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  October 16, 2019 9:49am
  - Brian Marshall
    
    Agree, but regarding the drunk driving and other offences. Buck up or bugger off. If you’re at risk of being killed, then behave yourself.
    
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    October 16, 2019 10:29am
  - Bullion
    
    Haven’t given citizenship.
    
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    October 16, 2019 11:13am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Sacha: that’s the whole point. We can’t deprive a Kiwi criminal of their right to live here, but an immigrant should be a better person than our own pond scum.
    
    And if they’re a criminal, the minute the threat disappears from their country of origin, they should bugger off home!
    
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    October 16, 2019 1:27pm
- MCos
  
  Susie Ferguson found out that the guy who had been given PR hadn’t offended since 2012. Simon Bridges didn’t know, but he should have because his guy had handled his case back then.
  The other point was Bridges would have us believe the guy had previously not been entitled to the benefits that come with PR. In that respect I don’t think he was lying. I think he’s just ill informed all round.
  
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  October 16, 2019 10:51am
- Bullion
  
  I don’t understand Simon’s logic. The temporary visas this guy was getting, under National, gave him the same benefits as residency and due to his situation cannot be deported and will get temporary visas forever – de facto residency.
  
  Just stop dilly dallying around with temp visas, if they are de facto residency in this case, and just give the guy residency. Surely that saves a bit of work and $$ for everyone involved not having to process this every so often.
  
  In this case, I respect the pragmatism shown by ILG – not so much the hyperbole “keys to the kingdom” from Bridges.
  
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  October 16, 2019 11:18am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    WHOOPSIE! Sorry Bullion, upticked you by mistake
    
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    October 16, 2019 11:39am
  - MCos
    
    Wish I had the Keys to the Kingdom.
    As it is I, and every other Kiwi, are forbidden from becoming Head of State of our own country.
    
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    October 16, 2019 11:52am
    - Bullion
      
      There you go, another lie from Bridges; this guy cannot get the to keys to the kingdom.
      
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      October 16, 2019 12:28pm
oldpark

Notice already the Wellington City Councillor called Jill Day whose track record in the Lester Mayoralty Reign was abysmal . Well seems she managed to get re-elected again . Most say off cunningly placed election boards. We now read the same wee so called independant from Tawa has thrown her lot in with the lefties in the council . She is strongly opposed to a second road tunnel in Wellington,which is common sense personified.
Wonder who is pulling her strings. I could not possibly say who . Just watch her track record for the next three years. If anything like the last three there is no hope for any improvement for the Wellington City. Stagnation will be increased with the help of far left ideas aided and abetted by a so called Independent Councillor.
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October 16, 2019 8:59am
- KevO'Brien
  
  She is strongly opposed to a second road tunnel in Wellington
  She must have actually visited the Mt Vic /Hataitai area.
  While it may be possible to take out a park to put another road through it’s only going to dump traffic into the bottleneck at the top of the ridge where Newtown meets Kilbirnie. Space is scarce.
  
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  October 16, 2019 9:45am
secondcumming

Turkey has a province, a city, and a river, all called *Batman*

Just saying.
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October 16, 2019 9:02am
DigNap15

I’ve got a red one, and it gets a lot of positive attention.
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October 16, 2019 9:09am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Mines pink, and same thing for me 😛
  
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  October 16, 2019 9:50am
  - John Warren
    
    Get a room, you two.
    
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    October 16, 2019 10:25am
- chaos
  
  See your gp and stop with the call girls until it clears up
  
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  October 16, 2019 10:27am
  - DigNap15
    
    Ha ha
    That’s what the lame moderation KB does!
    
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    October 16, 2019 2:08pm
Swifty

Shia Muslims in the UK wish to censor criticism of barbaric practices in their community.

It is ‘disrespectful’:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7575235/17-000-viewers-demand-BBC-deletes-documentary-Iraqi-Muslim-clerics-sell-girls-sex.html

You’re in the West now cupcakes. Calling for censorship adds weight to the view held by some that Islam is incompatible with Western values.

What next? Blasphemy laws?

Islamofascism.
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October 16, 2019 9:09am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Even asking these questions is now considered ‘hate speech’. True feminism (simply for equal rights) is dead, replaced with this weird concept of all *cultures* being equal, even when that is obviously impossible.
  
  In the UK, can one even ask how the UK ensures this doesn’t happen:
  
  sura 4:34
  “Men are caretakers of women, since Allah has made some of them excel the others, and because of the wealth they have spent. So, the righteous women are obedient, (and) guard (the property and honor of their husbands) in (their) absence with the protection given by Allah. As for women of whom you fear rebellion, convince them, and leave them apart in beds, and beat them”
  
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  October 16, 2019 9:23am
- Jules99
  
  I look forward to watching it here when TVNZ runs it – unless the FIANZ have already made a move to prevent it showing.
  
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  October 16, 2019 10:32am
Happychappy

Duncan Garner: Outcry over Shane Jones playing with an AR15 is stupid.
But what if this was Simon Bridges what would Garner, Tova O’Brien or many other Newshub Journalists be saying.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/10/duncan-garner-outcry-over-shane-jones-playing-with-an-ar15-is-stupid.html
Newshub has many hypocrites on there staff that would make a meal out of it if it was a National MP.
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October 16, 2019 9:10am
- Sacha
  
  Why do you bother.
  It’s a given that the assorted Labour supporting media types will shout “if this was National”. or “if this was Simon Bridges”.
  No need for you to remind us.
  
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  October 16, 2019 9:55am
- chaos
  
  It is a non story, Shane did nothing wrong. The real story is he was sending jacinda a message
  
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  October 16, 2019 10:29am
  - kowtow
    
    Rubbish , sending a message .
    He’s a hypocrite , pass laws in NZ banning them , but then go public showing how much fun you’re having overseas ( and pretending it’s research) . That’s not ‘wrong’ , but it’s a damn bad look . Especially coming from the party that were so pro firearms prior to joining the COL.
    And Winston saying he was just having “fun” is equally a bad look .
    
    It’s OK for us ( abroad) but not for you Plebs at home in Outta Rowa.
    
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    October 16, 2019 10:59am
  - septic skeptic
    
    Nothing wrong with shooting an AK47 in Vietnam, or cruising along at 180 on the autobahn. All valid choices when overseas on holiday, and provide a useful reminder that our way is not the only way.
    But Jones posted to social media on purpose, and that purpose would seem to be trolling Jacinda (again). Very revealing.
    
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    October 16, 2019 11:38am
    - chaos
      
      Yeah, no first are starting to push labour
      
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      October 16, 2019 12:30pm
    - kowtow
      
      septic
      
      Why / how ?
      
      NZF have made a virtue of supporting the gun ban and new bill ?
      
      That being the case Jones is just being the buffoon that he is.
      
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      October 16, 2019 3:30pm
MrTips

Was listening to HDPA on the car wireless couple days hence, and Barry Soper came on for the politics section. He played an audio relating to Elton John calling Ardern the best PM or something and a press gallery journo asking Ardern about it. Thing is, the bit he played started with Ardern asking, with affronted, confused voice ” Why are you all laughing?”

I consider that quite a telling bit of audio.
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October 16, 2019 9:16am
- Maggie Pie
  
  I love the way when Barry comes on with Heather that they both make out they have no idea which way the conversation is going to go. Yet we all know they were planning it in bed that morning 😛
  
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  October 16, 2019 9:39am
  - John Warren
    
    I doubt it. They were too busy shagging furiously and feverishly.
    
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    October 16, 2019 10:27am
    - Tall Man
      
      Seriously? Mind you, pigs breed so I suppose there is a possibility you’re right……
      
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      October 16, 2019 11:31am
niggly

I am appalled by the disrespect given to Parliament’s speaker! The Speaker has an important role to fulfill and one should not belittle ….. the Duck, for it won’t be a pleasant sight to see him angry, I mean imagine the feathers flying when he gets angry!

https://giphy.com/gifs/rage-donald-fit-dPJ15uHiwyNjO/tile
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October 16, 2019 9:19am
- Tall Man
  
  Yeah but Donald was a Peking duck not a mallard.
  
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  October 16, 2019 9:30am
Paulus

Mallard’s experience as a one time school teacher should help him, plus his physical abuse experience in Parliament.
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October 16, 2019 9:32am
- John Warren
  
  He runs Parliament like an English public school master.
  
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  October 16, 2019 10:28am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    an English public school master has a modicum of intelligence.
    
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    October 16, 2019 11:00am
  - alwyn
    
    One thing that Trevor does need, urgently, is a new set of hearing aids. The ones he has are clearly not working very well.
    Here is a brief extract from yesterdays Parliamentary Question Time. There is a supplementary question from Bridges, a rant from our PM that has nothing to do with the question and then a point of order followed by Trevor announcing that the question had been answered. Can anyone explain what the answer had to do with the question?
    
    “Hon Simon Bridges: How many more patched gang members are there in New Zealand since her Government took office?
    
    Rt Hon JACINDA ARDERN: I’d like to ask the member how many he takes responsibility for when he was in office. The existence of gangs in New Zealand is not a new problem, and it’s naive of anyone to suggest so—particularly, I would also add, this is a Government that is bringing in more police officers. We will reach the 1,800 goal, a significant proportion of which are dedicated to organised crime.
    
    Hon Simon Bridges: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I don’t get many supplementary questions these days, and that one wasn’t answered.
    
    SPEAKER: Yes, it was.”
    
    That was Question 1 yesterday.
    What on earth is wrong with Trevor these days?
    
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    October 16, 2019 11:12am
    - Tall Man
      
      Everybody knows ardern can’t count so why was Simon wasting his time asking for a number.
      
      “Simon, stick to questions that can be explained with a crayon drawing and answered the same way”………
      
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      October 16, 2019 11:30am
  - Tall Man
    
    That’s a bit harsh…… on the public school master.
    
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    October 16, 2019 11:28am
lastmanstanding

For me voting is a bit like buying a tin of peas. If it says peas on the label I expect to open the tin and find peas not beans.

Now under MMP this isnt the case. The irony is that the LEFT supporters have been the ones to find beans not peas.

I hope Election 2020 will see the Nats and ACT govern with the Greens and NZF on 4 point something and gone.

The great experiment of MMP has been a failure IMHO. It has produced unstable governance in that Parties have been elected on manifestos that they then havent been able to full fill.

In the commercial world the Commerce Act provides penalties for those who dont do what it says on the tin.
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October 16, 2019 9:37am
- KevO'Brien
  
  MMP is set up to fail. That’s what the Allies imposed on Germany postwar.
  
  MMP offers “representation” but not performance.
  MMP chooses the smallest minds for the biggest tasks.
  
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  October 16, 2019 9:49am
  - Jack5
    
    The German MMP system, which NZ copied, was chosen and adopted by the West German people when the Western allies returned them self-government after World War 2.
    
    It was based on the pre-war German proportional voting system, under which the Nazis were elected to the the German parliament, the Reichstag.
    
    The post-war German changes included the 5 per cent threshold for party votes, designed to reduce the political fragmentation under which the Nazis rose to power.
    
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    October 16, 2019 1:31pm
- Prince
  
  NZF supporters expected to find peas, got green beans.
  Labour supporters expected to find green beans, got peas.
  Green supporters don’t buy tinned vegies.
  
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  October 16, 2019 10:08am
Yvette

Lees-Galloway latest residency problem person –

“This guy, because of the nature of how he has come, he could not be deported. That doesn’t mean Iain Lees-Galloway needed to do the lazy, soft thing that he has done, which is to say ‘oh well in that case, let’s make it easy for me and just grant him residency’,” Bridges told The AM Show.

This is a version of the classic “thou shalt not kill” anti-Christian put down popular about sixty years ago in student Bible class study group: “Thou shalt not kill, but if some one is raping your daughter and will kill her, what as a protective father – but a Christian – do you do?”

Iain Lees-Galloway apparently can’t deport his latest problem person, since – as a protected person – his life would be at risk, but here his occupation appears the be regular drunk driver, so how many people does he have to kill on the roads to become liable for deportation: what body count will equate with saving his own?
And if this comes to pass, what is Lees-Galloway’s responsibility?
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October 16, 2019 9:48am
- Prince
  
  I presume as a citizen he can now travel easily across the Tasman.
  Another reason for Australia to play hardball with us, and deport criminals back to their ‘homeland’.
  
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  October 16, 2019 10:06am
  - Happychappy
    
    The guy has lived in NZ for 20 years apparently and if he hasn’t learn by now he has no beef with getting deported, he new they wouldn’t deport him and that makes it worse.
    
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    October 16, 2019 10:53am
  - MCos
    
    He’s not a citizen.
    He’s a permanent resident.
    
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    October 16, 2019 1:37pm
  - MCos
    
    He’ll need a visa to enter Oz on whatever passport he has.
    Good luck
    
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    October 16, 2019 1:45pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  “thou shalt not kill” is likely a mis-translation of the original text that read “thou shalt not murder.”
  
  There is a risk in taking translations of translations of translations as the literal truth.
  
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  October 16, 2019 10:20am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Ain’t that the truth! Big problem with religious texts people try to live by.
    
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    October 16, 2019 1:35pm
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      That is why a spiritual person will seek to understand the concepts and intentions behind the holy texts.
      
      Blind obedience is something for robots and men who will later say, “I was only following orders…”
      
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      October 16, 2019 2:45pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  We heard someone on Magic speculating this person may have been used by the allies as a torturer in his own country. My partner reckons this could be why he’s such a pisshead 🙁
  
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  October 16, 2019 10:22am
- stephieboy
  
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  The facts are the person has been in this country for 20 years and has had a long period where he has not reoffended .
  
  The Nats issued him with two tempory work visas and had their chance to deport him in their nine years in office.
  
  Why not!
  
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  October 16, 2019 11:07am
  - Greg Ettridge
    
    Shroubek has seen out 7 ministers since his first removal order, not 20 years but not far off it, both sides had ample opportunity to send him packing, only one side embraced him with open arms.
    This whole system appears to be totally disfunctional and broken, ILG has shown his review skills are not good, but the department itself has many questions to answer over at least a couple of decades.
    
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    October 16, 2019 12:20pm
Bobba Fret

When is JAG’s letter going to be released?
How long does the ombudsman take to decide? The local elections are over now.

Also, when is the QC reporting back on the sexual predator within Labour?
Everything has gone quiet.
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October 16, 2019 9:53am
- Random T Person
  
  Ombud made a decision 2 weeks back, I understand.
  Maria Dew apparently needs another month, said Jacinda yesterday on Mike Hosking’s show (but who knows, JA clearly does not).
  
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  October 16, 2019 10:24am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Yes, I’ve heard the Ombudsman’s initial decision has been conveyed to Genter and is awaiting her response. Given it’s taken two weeks for her to respond so far, I can only conclude the decision went against her, and she is either working on ways to challenge the decision, or working on her shredding skills.
    
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    October 16, 2019 10:50am
    - smttc
      
      Tony, the Ombudsman will have a copy of the letter. The shredder cannot save JAG if the decision has gone against her.
      
      All she can do is defy the Ombudsman’s ruling. The only sanction for doing so is being named in the Ombudsman’s annual report to Parliament and I am sure JAG couldn’t give a stuff about that.
      
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      October 16, 2019 1:53pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    These are criminal circumstances a QC is reporting on in preference to the duly statutorily appointed Police.
    How can that not be an obstruction of justice?
    Does the complainant have any rights under this Ardern sociality?
    
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    October 16, 2019 11:55am
  - alex Masterley
    
    I hear the sound of cans being kicked down the street.
    
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    October 16, 2019 12:33pm
  - Bobba Fret
    
    Thanks for that. 2 weeks ago! They kept that pretty quiet.
    
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    October 16, 2019 3:06pm
- chaos
  
  The QC report wont be realised.
  
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  October 16, 2019 10:32am
- Paulus
  
  Ask the ex Mayor of Wellington who has the letter.
  His insurance policy as he almost certainly took it with him when he cleared out his office.
  Good for a Labour/Independent list placing.
  
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  October 16, 2019 2:03pm
voltaire

I see the Herald has an article (behind paywall) saying “The Government’s ‘nine years of neglect’ defence has become a tired cliché”
Perhaps the Nats need to start saying “Two long years of no delivery”
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October 16, 2019 10:05am
- rangitoto
  
  Two years of miserable failure.
  
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  October 16, 2019 10:39am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Don’t encourage Ardern she might breed again.
  Yesterday was a ‘nine years of neglect’ day in the House. There has to be prior planning for theme of the day when the whole bloomin’ COL tediously repeat it. This happens often.
  
  That demonstrates their paucity of ideas and speaking ability. Their paucity of ability to govern is shown in their lack of delivery of everything except consults and talk-fests.
  ☑️☑️
  
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  October 16, 2019 11:45am
  - sooty
    
    What about the two years with Labour!
    
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    October 16, 2019 12:09pm
  - James Stephenson
    
    I have no idea why the Nats don’t simply reply that the only neglect during the 9 years of the previous government, was hard work of opposition that was neglected by the current occupants of the government benches. Work that current opposition are doing, so that they will be fully prepared to, once again, fix the failures of a Labour government.
    
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    October 16, 2019 1:26pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      The COl’s PR team are using the “big lie” approach. National have gone sideways and running an aggressive response elsewhere.
      
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      October 16, 2019 3:27pm
backster

Interesting that Stuart Nash came out with wholehearted support for his friend Jamie Lee Ross on the fight for Botany on the Hoskings show this morning. Maybe when Ross loses he may gain employment either as Labour Child Induction Camp Organiser or even as advisor in Ardern’s Office, given his known qualifications for such positions.
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October 16, 2019 10:14am
Tony Stuart

Guy Williams’ “comedy” programme has been canned by Mediaworks, after just one season.

Oh dear; how sad, never mind!

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/entertainment/2019/10/mediaworks-cancels-three-show-new-zealand-today-cuts-back-7-days.html
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October 16, 2019 10:47am
- harvey wilson
  
  They’ve cut 7 days back to 12 episodes too .
  7 days , Spinoff tv , Guy Williams show , all awful awful woke cuckery trying to pass itself off as comedy
  
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  October 16, 2019 10:50am
  - toby1845
    
    I also saw that 7 Days had been reduced to just 12 episodes, but also note that they are scheduled for the run up to he 2020 election. Anyone care to bet that TV3 won’t look to run an orchestrated hit-job on National?
    
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    October 16, 2019 3:32pm
- chaos
  
  Sssh, MAFS is rumored to be axed, Maggie will kill us all
  
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  October 16, 2019 11:17am
- oldgolfer
  
  That is the best news I’ve heard all day.
  Funny his is not.
  
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  October 16, 2019 11:17am
  - Random T Person
    
    To be fair, the canning of his show is pretty funny and I am confident it was all Guy who pulled that bit off.
    
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    October 16, 2019 12:50pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  and from your link:
  Mediaworks is not the only media company coming under pressure. TVNZ, which is wholly owned by the Government, earlier this year announced it would no longer return a dividend, and is forecasting a $17m loss next year.
  
  Digital and print giant Stuff has not been able to find a buyer and NZME is currently facing a newsroom restructure designed to improve efficiency and reduce cost.
  
  Oh dear, the spin-meisters are wobbling.
  That’s the trouble with precession.
  
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  October 16, 2019 11:33am
  - Tall Man
    
    Or to put it another way, when you’re shoveling shit all day it pays to stand still to avoid it landing all over yourself…..
    
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    October 16, 2019 11:55am
Maggie Pie

Just heard some old pommie guy on 1ZB saying he went to the Kumeu gun buy-back and was given $900 for a rifle he had paid $699 for. Went straight out and bought the identical weapon brand new [now modded to 5 shot] for $699 again. Another happy camper compliments of the taxpayer 🙁
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October 16, 2019 11:02am
- rangitoto
  
  Greebore First’s gun upgrade programme.
  
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  October 16, 2019 11:26am
stephieboy

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Thomas Sowell: Idiot Emeritus:

Dear Mr. Sowell: There are at least six Million reasons why you need to stop calling President Obama Hitler. I wonder what Anne Frank would think of your despicable Nazi comparisons? You trivialize the actual evil of the Nazis, and insult the memory of their victims. Have you no shame?

Shame on you.

https://otoolefan.wordpress.com/2010/07/31/thomas-sowell-idiot-emeritus/
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October 16, 2019 11:09am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Those who are not fully matured–how can they identify what is reasonable?
  “I don’t like” is not a substitute for reason. It frequently hides “I wan’t something different so I can take advantage”.
  Show me a socialist in an elevated position of power who is aspiring to equality.
  
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  October 16, 2019 11:36am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Inside every Socialist is a closet Aristocrat.
    
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    October 16, 2019 1:53pm
- Swifty
  
  Lord Stiffy of St Lukes, if that statement makes him an ‘Idiot Emeritus’ – what do your hundreds and hundreds of mistakes, errors, wrong conclusions, comprehension fails and repeated stupidity here on KB make you?
  
  While I’ve got you – how many Sunni in Iraq?
  
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  October 16, 2019 11:52am
  - stephieboy
    
    Unlike you I don’t happen to be an “academic”
    
    LOL
    
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    October 16, 2019 12:32pm
    - Swifty
      
      ‘I don’t happen to be an “academic”’ – ain’t that the truth.
      
      How many Shia in Iraq?
      
      Why do you always run away when proved wrong?
      
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      October 16, 2019 12:57pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      That shows.
      
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      October 16, 2019 3:28pm
  - chaos
    
    An immigrant that should be deported back to her homeland?
    
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    October 16, 2019 1:12pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    “Lord Stiffy of St Lukes”
    
    Very good.
    It could be “LS-SL” for short.
    
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    October 16, 2019 1:54pm
- alloytoo
  
  For those with a passing interest Mr Sowell’s position in his own words.
  
  https://www.creators.com/read/thomas-sowell/06/12/socialist-or-fascist
  
  His position is that historically Fascism and Socialism go hand in hand and that some of Obama’s policy/actions fitted into this mold.
  
  He of course has a point, many of Hitler’s economic policies mirrored those of Roosevelt’s new deal, though on the face of it Hilter’s were possibly more effective in rebuilding the German economy.
  
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  October 16, 2019 2:57pm
Cobolt24

Inflation increased more than expected by the Reserve Bank (RBNZ) and some bank economists in the September quarter off the back of higher local authority rates, rents, insurance and cigarettes (CPI 0.7% increase)
https://www.interest.co.nz/news/102154/consumer-price-index-rises-07-september-quarter-and-15-year-year-more-expected-rbnz
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October 16, 2019 11:17am
- Cobolt24
  
  I think the inflation numbers have been boosted with a weaker NZD, OCR cut and fuel taxes coming in place at the beginning of Q3, feeding into the inflation statistic.
  
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  October 16, 2019 9:24pm
rightoverlabour

This has been on every MSM site around the world , I assume? Not, Really? Well, I never!

https://electroverse.net/u-s-broke-a-staggering-2159-low-temp-records/
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October 16, 2019 11:32am
Maggy Wassilieff

Samoa declares a measles epidemic (with 7 cases)
https://www.rnz.co.nz/international/pacific-news/401085/measles-epidemic-declared-in-samoa

How many cases did NZ have before Jacinda Ardern’s Government declared we had an epidemic here?
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October 16, 2019 11:43am
- KevO'Brien
  
  The population of Samoa is less than that of Wellington. The 1918 pandemic killed a very large number of their people.
  
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  October 16, 2019 3:33pm
The King

Get used to seeing names like this…

Akeel Hassan Abbas Al Baiiaty

next to the word ‘rapist’ in your headlines..

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12275997
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October 16, 2019 11:43am
- Maggie Pie
  
  I’m surprised his legal aid lawyers haven’t referred this case of deportation for an urgent ‘Ministerial revue’.
  With ILG in the hot seat, the odds of him being allowed to stay would appear to be pretty good.
  
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  October 16, 2019 12:28pm
- stephieboy
  
  The King , brings to this local serial rapist Joe Thompson ,
  
  https://www.noted.co.nz/archive/archive-listener-nz-2011/hunting-a-serial-rapist
  
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  October 16, 2019 12:36pm
  - The King
    
    You totally owned me with the Maori rapist vs the Islamic rapist.
    
    ?
    
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    October 16, 2019 1:11pm
    - stephieboy
      
      The King, as you seem to have a racial bias lets go further afield try this horror Joesph Mc Cann,
      
      https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/may/06/suspected-serial-rapist-taken-into-custody-by-police-in-cheshire-reports
      
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      October 16, 2019 3:31pm
      - The King
        
        Oh you had to go overseas to find a White rapist, you ever heard of ‘per capita’?
        
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        October 16, 2019 6:50pm
- srylands
  
  Something of which I was unaware. The Parole Board, in releasing this guy, needs to be aware that he will be deported, in this case to Iraq. And in deciding whether to release him, they need to be satisfied that there is a safety plan in place, and that he does not represent a threat to the community in Iraq.
  
  https://www.paroleboard.govt.nz/decisions/2019/akeel_hassan_abbas_al_baiiaty_-_29042019
  
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  October 16, 2019 4:05pm
Fletch

Mark Levin goes through why this impeachment is not an impeachment and shows the differences with the Bill Clinton impeachment – all the rights the Republican House afforded Bill Clinton – the rights to evidence, to question witnesses, to have a lawyer present, etc, none of which Trump has been afforded. Hell, the identity of the so-called “whistleblower” is unknown, and Dems are interviewing witnesses in secret. There’s talk the whistleblower will be disguised on video feed. Are they kidding? Rep Matt Gaetz was thrown out when he tried to attend the inquiry. It’s basically a star chamber.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSrbc8XAhLE
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October 16, 2019 11:44am
Tony Stuart

Good to see National throwing down the gauntlet to Mallard this afternoon, and putting the acid on the PM. Not only is Bridges asking her about her government’s policies and actions, but so are Paula Bennett, Nikki Kaye, Chris Bishop and Scott Simpson. Instead of having to answer one question, she will have to hang around and answer five of them.

There’s more than one way of skinning a cat, as the old saying goes…

https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/order-paper-questions/list-of-oral-questions/oral-questions-15-october-2019-1/
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October 16, 2019 11:47am
- chaos
  
  And we all know she will answer none but it is ok, Trevor will protect her, the sick old man beside her will try deflect with an out of order question
  
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  October 16, 2019 12:24pm
  - alloytoo
    
    More fodder footage for the attack ads.
    
    Bwah ha ha ha!
    
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    October 16, 2019 3:00pm
- rangitoto
  
  So Cindy will have to cancel her Kindy visit today?
  
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  October 16, 2019 12:29pm
  - stephieboy
    
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    Wakey , wakey already gone there in March,
    
    https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/pm-visits-dunedin-islamic-kindergarten
    
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    October 16, 2019 12:41pm
    - Swifty
      
      I wish I hadn’t clicked on that.
      
      The very notion of labeling children by religion is horrific.
      
      It is brainwashing people too young to think for themselves.
      
      It is child abuse.
      
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      October 16, 2019 1:49pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Like Cathlolic and Independent Christian schools?
        
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        October 16, 2019 3:27pm
      - Swifty
        
        Yes, if they are labeling kids as ‘Christian children’ or ‘Catholic children’.
        
        Sickening.
        
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        October 16, 2019 5:28pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      There are many more kindy’s for Cindy to visit.
      
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      October 16, 2019 3:35pm
- Piniwi
  
  Perhaps TS this is a response to Mallard reducing supplementary questions as a “punishment” for defiance over the ad debacle. Getting in before the PTPM skips tomorrow which has become ABW Anybody But Winston days. Lol
  
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  October 16, 2019 2:05pm
The King

Stephieboy in one meme…

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EG7vBpxUcAAw5xq.png:large
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October 16, 2019 12:26pm
- Greg Ettridge
  
  Am I a White grumpy old male? Grumpy sometimes.
  If I was a dog, I would be termed a bitsa.
  I am what I am.
  North and West Europe 67.9%
  made up
  Irish, Scottish, and Welsh57.3%
  English 7.9%
  Finnish 1.9%
  Scandinavian 0.8%
  East Europe 8.2%
  Baltic 8.2%
  South Europe 7.9%
  All Italian 7.9%
  Asia 16.0%
  made up
  East Asia 16.0%
  Chinese and Vietnamese 10.0%
  Filipino, Indonesian and Malay 6.0%
  
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  October 16, 2019 12:59pm
  - The King
    
    Seems like you have all the diversity you need, White man.
    
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    October 16, 2019 6:47pm
The King

Stefan Molyneux dropping “knowing’ bombs on twitter..

https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/1183947773718224902
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October 16, 2019 12:38pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Rabbis say a lot of things.
  In this case, context is the key.
  – Did the rabbi say this once, a long time ago?
  – Did he say it a lot?
  – Who was he speaking to?
  – What was his intention?
  
  When a Mafia boss says, “Tony, take care of this guy,” does the boss mean “Tony, kill this guy!” or “Tony, show this guy a good time!”
  Words are only symbols for underlying concepts. You have to be guided by context to identify the meaning of the words in question.
  Context is the key.
  
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  October 16, 2019 2:05pm
RW Capitalist

https://www.national.org.nz/government_a_step_closer_to_banning_whitebaiting
all for the regions?????
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October 16, 2019 12:54pm
Maggie Pie

So, Handy Andy is set to pave the way for the likes of bumbling Jihadist Mark Taylor
to return to NZ….. will be kept under close police supervision of course.

What could possibly go wrong?

LOL!!
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October 16, 2019 1:13pm
- sooty
  
  Wont be much if he moves in with Angry!
  
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  October 16, 2019 2:08pm
- Yvette
  
  Maggie, as you point out –
  Justice Minister Andrew Little said on Wednesday the new law will apply to any situation in which a New Zealander is “directly engaged in terrorism overseas, or facilitated or supported others to do so”.
  
  He said the conditions imposed by the High Court will be “carefully tailored to the individual’s personal circumstances, risks, and rehabilitative needs”.
  
  Pity he spelt tailored wrong – very droll.
  But sad for the individual concerned as he may have been mentally unwell since age two rather than a provable criminal terrorist case.
  
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  October 16, 2019 2:56pm
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    Spelt” tailored” wrong?
    
    https://www.ldoceonline.com/dictionary/tailored
    
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    October 16, 2019 3:39pm
    - Yvette
      
      Yes, Stephieboy.
      The law is written specifically for a guy called Mark Taylor.
      I did put “taylored” but, with the same wisdom as Newshub, someone’s computer, most likely the bastard device I am attempting to use, spell-checked it for us.
      Māori drives it nuts, whereas I couldn’t give a mācārōōn.
      
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      October 16, 2019 4:03pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      What a fcuking pedant 😛
      
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      October 16, 2019 4:23pm
      - Yvette
        
        Actually, Maggie, I suspect it is the fcuking furosemide that is the pedant. And it is the statins that minimise the memory, until I forget to take them – and then things come right again :o)
        
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        October 16, 2019 5:16pm
      - Swifty
        
        It is a matter very close to his heart.
        
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        October 16, 2019 5:31pm
      - secondcumming
        
        @ yvette …I think you’ll find MP was referring to stephie boy 😎
        
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        October 16, 2019 7:08pm
MCos

The two policemen who arrested Tarrant received bravery awards today. Reading about what happened I’d say they are thoroughly deserved.
I think our police, while not flawless, stack up pretty well against forces from comparable countries around the world & streets ahead of a lot of places you read about.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/116617629/hero-cops-who-took-down-mosque-shootings-suspect-we-were-doing-our-job?cid=app-iPad
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October 16, 2019 1:13pm
- Kevin Herlihy
  
  The two policeman did an excellent job apprehending Tarrant alive and before he could continue with his murderous rampage.
  Anywhere else in the world, Tarrant would have been killed in a hail of gunfire.
  
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  October 16, 2019 5:28pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    And that’s what should have happened here.
    
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    October 16, 2019 9:13pm
Lance

I see the Whor-old is smearing Peter Jackson for backing Andy Foster. Too much money blaa blaa.
Odd, but no mention of union resources going into Labour candidates.

Must of just slipped the (ah hemm) journo’s mind.
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October 16, 2019 1:41pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  A must read by Stephen Franks.
  http://www.stephenfranks.co.nz/secret-ballot-secrecy-of-donations/
  
  Is receiving a $$ donation any different from having volunteer help running a political campaign?
  
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  October 16, 2019 2:45pm
Maggie Pie

TBH i had to think about this for a moment.
I just overheard my partner describe Trevor Mallard “as a Laurel Hubbard version of Margaret Wilson”.

LOL!!!
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October 16, 2019 1:54pm
- sooty
  
  You and your husband should write a book of quotes. It would sell better than Cindys dictation!
  
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  October 16, 2019 4:59pm
softail 1450

You know Ardern is in trouble when in parliament today the rat Peters looks at her as he would at finding a great lump of dog shit stuck on his shoe….
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October 16, 2019 2:26pm
- rockape
  
  Its not all happy families over at the COL anymore is it?
  
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  October 16, 2019 9:15pm
Nookin

Mike Hosking spent quite some time questioning ILG about a tribunal that had declared a recalcitrant offender to be a protected person and, on whom, Lees-Galloway conferred full residency.
Hosking’s theme was that an unelected body such as a tribunal should not have the power to override or bind the Minister who, otherwise, has almost plenipotentiary powers.

He asked ILG to explain the difference between the latest case, where the person concerned cannot be deported because he would otherwise be subjected to torture and other over-the-top annoyances and the Soubrek case where Mr Soubrek also claimed that if he was sent back to Czechoslovakia, he would be subjected to all manner of hideousness.

I kept wishing that Hosking would ask the more appropriate question, namely: if it was open to Soubrek to apply for protected person status from an independent tribunal of duly qualified experts, and by doing so ensuring that he could remain in residency, rather than putting all his eggs in the basket of a politician with no real experience in immigration (apart from a very brief tenure of the portfolio), probably not inclined to read the file and probably inclined to follow the advice of his officials?
I mean, why would he do that if he had a sound case to put before the Tribunal?

Is it possible that he had a pretty good idea of the likely outcome of either avenue?
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October 16, 2019 2:27pm
- Nookin
  
  I said:
  
  if it was open to Soubrek to apply for protected person status from an independent tribunal of duly qualified experts, and by doing so ensuring that he could remain in residency, rather than putting all his eggs in the basket of a politician with no real experience in immigration (apart from a very brief tenure of the portfolio), probably not inclined to read the file and probably inclined to follow the advice of his officials?
  
  but completely missed the last phrase namely, if he had that choice, why on earth would he have chosen the Minister instead of an independent tribunal of experts?
  
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  October 16, 2019 3:14pm
  - Ruahine
    
    Let me guess. Do you think he may have had a ‘heads up’ from some one who knew what the outcome was going to be. Ardern said that we need to ‘read between the lines’. This of course was when she was feeling ‘cocky’ and was the MSMs pinup girl.
    
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    October 16, 2019 5:09pm
chaos

Shit

* More than 1000 children and adults may have to go into quarantine after a child with measles attended a church camp in Rotorua.

An Auckland child who attended the Seventh Day Adventist camp at Tui Ridge exposed 1200 camp-goers to the highly infectious illness during the school holidays.

The Auckland Regional Public Health Service (ARPHS) said children at the camp on October 5 and 6 could be developing measles now if not immune.

Children at the camp were aged between 4 and 15.*

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/116621757/more-than-1000-exposed-to-measles-after-child-with-illness-attends-church-camp
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October 16, 2019 2:37pm
Captain Mainwaring

Just saw the goonish Dr. Duncan Webb sitting in his chair fondling his newly-minted beard.
What a complete drongo that man is.
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October 16, 2019 2:48pm
- sooty
  
  You made me start thinking naughty thoughts by the time I got to the end of the line and had not read the next line!
  
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  October 16, 2019 5:02pm
- stephieboy
  
  When you point the critical finger Cap’n there is always one pointing back straight back at you
  
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  October 16, 2019 5:59pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Evidence …..?
    
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    October 16, 2019 9:15pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Captain Mainwaring
      
      Stephieboy speaks from personal experience. People recognise him at St Lukes, point their finger, and laugh at him!
      
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      October 16, 2019 9:20pm
chaos

Green Party oppose this……..

* The future of a would-be law aiming to support the de-radicalisation of New Zealanders returning from overseas has been cast into doubt just moments after it was announced.

This is despite Justice Minister Andrew Little admitting that the chances of Kiwi Jihadi Mark Taylor returning to New Zealand from Syria have increased.

Greens foreign affairs spokeswoman Golriz Ghahraman confirmed her party would not support the bill because of its human rights ramifications.

“This bill has the implication of catching people who are not terrorists.”*

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12277149
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October 16, 2019 4:50pm
- chaos
  
  * The Prime Minister is rejecting a Green MP’s description of a law that would impose restrictions on returning New Zealanders involved in terrorism as “dog-whistling”.
  
  Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern rejected Ghahraman’s description.
  
  “This is a very practical response. We have an emerging issue that the globe is trying to deal with. We’ve got to protest the safety of New Zealanders,” Ardern said.
  
  “We do have known individuals who have engaged in activity.”*
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/10/jacinda-ardern-rejects-golriz-ghahraman-s-description-of-anti-terrorist-law-as-dog-whistling.html
  
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  October 16, 2019 4:57pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  Greens – Eco Terrorists who should be treated as such. at least until real Greenies take over the party again.
  
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  October 16, 2019 6:23pm
Steve Wrathall

Here we go again…Massey caves to the anti-free speechers. Same bullshit as the Brash cancellation last year. Now it appears that hearing peaceful viewpoints that some don’t want to hear is “in breach of its health and safety obligations.” Disgusting endorsement of the thug’s veto and the crybully’s veto https://www.massey.ac.nz/massey/about-massey/news/response-to-feminism-2020-event.cfm
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October 16, 2019 4:52pm
- Tall Man
  
  And, just for the record.. women do not have a penis.
  
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  October 16, 2019 9:00pm
chaos

Angry is angry and arrogant

*Justice Minister Andrew Little says a decision from the Advertising Standards Authority about an advertisement from National MP Nick Smith could have a chilling effect on democracy.

But Smith has hit back, calling Little arrogant, a bully, and an opponent of free speech and legitimate debate.

The ASA dismissed a complaint by Little, the Minister for Pike River Recovery, about an opinion article – labelled as an advertisement – by Smith in the Nelson Weekly newspaper about the Pike River re-entry.

The ASA decision, released this afternoon, is the latest in a saga that includes claims and counter-claims about the truth, threats and phone calls, and a late-night visit from police.*

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12277178
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October 16, 2019 6:05pm
- sooty
  
  So, whats new?
  Angry Little Man!
  Same as he was yesterday,
  Last week, last year, Forever!
  
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  October 16, 2019 8:41pm
chaos

And today’s broken government promise

* The Government has shifted the goalposts in its promise to deliver more frontline police after what seems like a slip of the tongue by Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern.

It promised to “strive towards adding 1800 new police” over three years but in a game of semantics, it is now saying it will deliver 1800 new trained recruits by next month.*

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/116636224/government-shifts-goalposts-on-1800-new-police-promise-after-pm-questioned-in-parliament
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October 16, 2019 7:11pm
Jack5

? The Crusaders, beloved by Christchurch through earthquakes and massacres, are backing down on their image.

First the galloping knights went, and the fans’ plastic swords.

Now the swords have gone from the franchise’s logo. The name change is still under consideration in a rebrand.

Will Christchurch rugby fans want their rates going into a flash stadium to host a once-loved team re-branded and pacifist-ized by Leftist, PC multiculturists?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12277161
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October 16, 2019 8:14pm
Jack5

Now woke university students in English are going after Gandhi.

They want to block a statue of him going up at the University of Manchester.

As in the French Revolution, the mob, this time multiculturists, are always seeking a new wave of heads for the axe.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7576099/University-Manchester-students-say-statue-Gandhi-scrapped.html
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October 16, 2019 8:31pm
Kabull

A magnificent counter to the Thunberg lesson. Old people still have a view worth listening to, and this lady roundly chastises the UN …
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRBsQqfOVXg
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October 16, 2019 9:00pm
Hugh Pavletich

CHINA …

‘Golden week’ property sales plunge in major Chinese cities amid slowing economy, tight mortgage conditions … South China Morning Post

https://www.scmp.com/business/article/3032030/golden-week-property-sales-plunge-major-chinese-cities-amid-slowing

Shanghai Housing Sales Plunge 86% In Golden Week … Zerohedge

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/shanghai-housing-sales-plunge-86-golden-week

“Worst Slump In A Generation”: China Auto Sales Continue Historic Collapse … Zerohedge

https://www.zerohedge.com/personal-finance/worst-slump-generation-china-auto-sales-continue-historic-collapse
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- Hugh Pavletich
  
  CHINA / HONG KONG …
  
  Hong Kong protests: US lawmakers pass Human Rights and Democracy Act … BBC
  
  https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50064803
  
  Hong Kong’s Carrie Lam abandons speech after protests … BBC
  
  https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-50065292
  
  China’s U.S. Exports Tumble as Tariffs Bite … Wall Street Journal
  
  https://www.wsj.com/articles/chinas-u-s-exports-tumble-as-tariffs-bite-11571037788
  
  Shipments to the U.S. slumped nearly 22% in September, while overall exports were down 3.2%
  
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  October 17, 2019 2:33am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/10/links-17-october-2019/#comment-3523645
    
    CHINA … July 17 Report … 3 months on … are there any updates ? …
    
    Office glut creeps up in Shenzhen, Beijing and Shanghai as trade war saps growth plans and start-ups move to co-working spaces … South China Morning Post
    
    https://www.scmp.com/business/china-business/article/3018789/office-glut-creeps-shenzhen-beijing-and-shanghai-trade-war
    
    • Shenzhen’s office vacancy rate rose to 16.6 per cent at end of June, while Beijing’s was at 11.5 per cent, and Shanghai jumped to 18 per cent
    
    • Four of 15 landlords of Shenzhen’s new office towers are major developers, rest are small builders, investment firms or conglomerates
    
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