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artemisia

Floated – the idea of Kiwisaver being used to buy an investment property, presumably a residential rental rather than a strip mall or office building.

Leaving aside the problem that landlords are, to some, evil and greedy slumlords, this would be one way of increasing the rental pool. Census 2018 data will one day tell us the tenure of homes, so will show if residential rental numbers are in fact shrinking.

Anecdotally, landlords are selling up but there is independent data from the Reserve Bank that new
rentals including but not only new builds, are well down >>> shortages and rent rises.

In August 2014 investors accounted for 29% of the total borrowed, followed by 33.5% in August 2015 (and the share got higher than that in subsequent months – up to 35%), 28.8% in August 2016, 22% in August 2017, 23% in August 2018 and then just 19% in August 2019. in the past three months the investor total has been in and around the 19% mark or just below. A quick dollar for dollar comparison: In August 2019 the investors collectively borrowed $1.023 billion. Back in August 2015 they borrowed $1.989 billion. Not far off double the amount.

https://www.interest.co.nz/opinion/102068/rbnz-due-review-its-loan-value-ratio-restrictions-next-month-david-hargreaves
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October 15, 2019 8:04am
- Rachael Membery
  
  I think it is a good idea. Even if you can’t afford to buy where you live getting on the property ladder elsewhere can build towards a future. Not everyone sorted but some, lots of tinkering by the Government though.
  
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  October 15, 2019 12:55pm
Maggie Pie

How DARE you!!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGzK_3xUYAAg77y?format=jpg&name=small

LOL!!
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October 15, 2019 8:05am
- Justitia
  
  Brilliant! Captures the sanctimonious hypocrisy of Thunberg and the ER inbreds to a tee.
  
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  October 15, 2019 8:25am
- Rich Prick
  
  Ain’t that the bloody truth of it.
  
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  October 15, 2019 8:31am
- Greg Ettridge
  
  Maggie
  The caption sums up the hyprocrisy to a tee.
  Not sure if you have seen this but Will Franken does a great Greta take down, this just 4 minutes there is a much longer version on Climate Change. It is parody at its best.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZH-1liT9NM
  I hope we never lose the ability to laugh at irony, sadly it looks like being censored out.
  
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  October 15, 2019 10:12am
  - rjay
    
    The woman in the front row sitting quietly while everyone else is rocking with laughter is interesting.
    
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    October 15, 2019 11:41am
Right of way is Way of Right

Watching the news at work this morning and there was video footage of Eliza McCartney at training. One of my workmates mentioned that she looked like a younger Jacinda. I said he was wrong, there’s a major difference between Eliza and Jacinda.

Eliza’s still going up in the poles….
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October 15, 2019 8:05am
- kowtow
  
  Eliza doesn’t need a drunken dwarf to help her win competitions .
  
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  October 15, 2019 8:26am
  - MH
    
    Come the re-volt brother..
    
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    October 15, 2019 9:27am
- James Stephenson
  
  Plus, one of them works hard and achieves the goals that she sets…
  
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  October 15, 2019 8:44am
- toby1845
  
  Eliza comes across as a genuinely nice young lady/person, who doesn’t have an ounce of malice in her.
  
  Someone who we can all be proud of.
  
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  October 15, 2019 9:05am
  - graham
    
    Yup, I’d never heard of her until – I think – the 2016 Summer Olympics. Watching her compete in that, my thoughts were pretty much the same – she seems to be a genuine person, and nearly always has a smile on her face.
    
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    October 15, 2019 11:37am
KevO'Brien

A NZ sociologist explains how science is fixed and greenies are not:-
https://www.odt.co.nz/lifestyle/magazine/fathoming-last-deniers

He works in a University–verbal janitor?
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October 15, 2019 8:06am
- Andrei
  
  David Hall is a senior researcher in politics at the Auckland University of Technology.
  
  Which explains all – “Climate Science™” is Politics not science
  
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  October 15, 2019 8:47am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  “_______” is being used as a weapon-word to shut down opposing views.
  
  Is this a hallmark of the behavior of the Left?
  Is the desire to silence debate also found on the Right?
  
  (Yes, I know that a Left-Right dichotomy is simplistic. Can you suggest a better one?)
  
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  October 15, 2019 8:59am
  - SGA
    
    “_______” is being used as a weapon-word to shut down opposing views.
    Is this a hallmark of the behavior of the Left?
    
    It’s a pretty universal tactic, Odakyu-sen. You could as easily claim that that some use “fake news” or “TDS” or “leftist” as weapon words to try to shut down opposing views here on Kiwiblog, couldn’t you?
    
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    October 15, 2019 10:42am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      SGA,
      
      “Leftist” would be a weapon-word that the Right would use against the Left.
      It makes sense.
      After all, if you want to anger a conservative, you tell him a lie, but if you want to anger a leftist, you tell him the truth.
      
      (Yes, the whole Right-Left thing is muddled and way too simplistic. There are many other dimensions to consider.)
      
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      October 15, 2019 12:20pm
      - SGA
        
        Perhaps, Odakyu-sen, but to get back to your to your original point – the sort of word weapons you mention are used by people of all stripes. Whether it is “deniers” (as in climate change), “fakers” (as in fake news), or the “deranged” (as in TDS). Unlike you, I can’t say I see any moral high ground there.
        
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        October 15, 2019 1:55pm
- kowtow
  
  Verbal janitor ?
  
  No verbal fascist . Deny , deniers , denial mentioned 26 times . Wow .
  The key to his views is in his conclusion …..
  
  ‘What will make a difference is the power of the people – through regulation, divestment, consumer choice and public protest. ‘
  
  Regulation .
  As Prof Jim Flynn says “It’s either a contest of ideas or a contest of strength”
  
  And that’s what the left are into , regulation . To silence , control , suppress and oppress.
  
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  October 15, 2019 9:10am
peterwn

Oh, well a fallout between Jacinda and defeated Wellington mayoral candidate Justin Lester. Jacinda has disowned him claiming he was not a Labour candidate (even Barry Soper does not want to buy this). Justin’s defeat must have really stung Labour hard and then the Colmar Brunton poll results showing Labour declining in popularity.
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October 15, 2019 8:07am
- Tony Stuart
  
  There are two unforgivable sins in Labour; challenging the leader, and losing the unloseable election.
  
  Jacinda Ardern would have quickly had Lester thrown under a bus if Wellington’s buses ran with sufficient frequency and reliability to know when the next one was coming!
  
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  October 15, 2019 8:25am
  - sooty
    
    No list seat for Lester!
    Just wait fort he letter to surface,
    Cindy has seen it and is going to cop flake!
    
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    October 15, 2019 8:30am
  - Tall Man
    
    “Lester, who was once feted as Labour’s golden ticket and potential national leadership material – before Jacindamania hit ”
    
    There’s your reason.
    
    ardern will never countenance a threat in her “realm”.
    
    When she falls there will be a bloodbath.
    
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    October 15, 2019 8:33am
    - MH
      
      which molarlestation will come first?
      
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      October 15, 2019 9:30am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    One day Cindy said that Lester ran as an independent.
    The next day she said he ran under the Labour banner.
    One of them is a lie.
    
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    October 15, 2019 8:58am
    - Paulus
      
      Phil Goff ran as an Independent – wot a larf ~!
      
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      October 15, 2019 10:36am
- AgainstTheFlow
  
  She does have a battle with being honest.
  
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  October 15, 2019 8:48am
  - JackRabbit
    
    @AgainstTheFlow
    
    A ‘battle’ in this sense, usually indicates taking actions or making statements that are contrary to core values, beliefs or conscience.
    
    By observation, Jacinda does not have honest core values or beliefs, and does not have a conscience or integrity.
    
    There is no battle because she surrendered to darkness and succumbed to not being honest a long time ago. Lying and making things up as she goes along is a way of life for her, operating almost entirely by emotion and ego.
    
    If there was even an ounce of honesty, many of the things she has done would never have happened.
    
    Even if she had even a twinkling of honesty, and therefore regrets about how she has shafted the public, her conscience would compel her to resign rather than face telling the public how, and how often, she lied to them.
    
    There is little evidence in history of power mongers and dictators coming clean and admitting their guilt.
    
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    October 15, 2019 9:33am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Wait until the drunken dwarf gets up over 5% and then you will still have Labour-Green-NZ First hydra. Nothing can be done about it bros. National can never get back to power.
  
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  October 15, 2019 9:48am
KevO'Brien

Extinction Rebellion–paid activists out of psychodelia. More Soros funding?
http://joannenova.com.au/2019/10/extinction-rebellion-are-run-by-paid-activists-the-200000-grassroots-movement/
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October 15, 2019 8:08am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Yes, I saw this at the weekend. Extinction Rebellion is nothing short of a Rent-A-Mob.
  
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  October 15, 2019 8:26am
  - sooty
    
    Paid by George Sorearse!
    
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    October 15, 2019 8:30am
  - Gravelroad
    
    Move over ISIS – here are the new global terrorists.
    
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    October 15, 2019 8:32am
  - Rich Prick
    
    Antifa MkII. Probably the same loons with different hoodies, there can only be so many fuckwits in the world.
    
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    October 15, 2019 8:35am
    - tf78
      
      RP there’s probably not that many it’s just they are very annoying and very loud.
      
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      October 15, 2019 8:48am
  - Tall Man
    
    As is greta and her “crew”.
    
    How many 16 year olds need a PR man in Brussels?
    
    https://maosoo3h.com/2019/04/whos-really-behind-16-year-old-greta-thunberg/.html
    
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    October 15, 2019 8:38am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  At 8min in the Aim of XR outlined:
  https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2019/10/13/the-truth-about-extinction-rebellion/
  
  To bring the Government down “and some may die in the process”
  
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  October 15, 2019 8:58am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    There’s not much hidden on KiwiBlog.
    
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    October 15, 2019 9:02am
  - Surely Knott
    
    And it’s worth seeing what other techniques Rising Up (aka extinction rebellion) are proposing. Their list:
    1. Sabotage business and trade
    2. Labour Resistance (aka. Strikes)
    3. Breaking unfair laws
    4. Mass trespass and land rights protests
    5. Unofficial marches, occupations and blockades 6. Debt refusal (eg. Some Icelandic students students have begun a debt strike, refusing to pay back student loans )
    7. Deliberate Debt Creation and redistribution (eg; Barcelona activist took bank loans with no intention of paying them back and used them to fund activism)
    8.Rent Strikes, 9. Tax Resistance 10 Runs on the system..
    
    Personally they all sound like they have to do with financial inequality and wanting redistribution of money than anything to do with the environment.
    
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    October 15, 2019 9:27am
    - Surely Knott
      
      But wait there’s more. The founder of Extinction Rebellion also wants to protest with mass ingestion of psychedelics. https://bigthink.com/politics-current-affairs/psychedelics-civil-disobedience
      
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      October 15, 2019 9:59am
oldpark

Heard the small town twerp,the Peters selected NZS PM Ardern being grilled over the dumping of Justin Lester by Wellingtons’voters.
Her completely denying that the lantern jawed pest was a Labour stooge. She quivered with a look of horror,almost emulating another spoilt brat. “How dare you” or words to that affect to suggest such a thing.
Sure i heard a voice in the background saying,if he had won ,the small town Peters selected PM would have said he was a Labour winner. Go figure.
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October 15, 2019 8:11am
Happychappy

When you continually keep telling lies like this sooner than later they will wake up, and burn you like has happened in the two polls from Newshub and One News.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/116575387/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-distances-labour-from-failed-wellington-mayoral-candidate-justin-lester
Jacinda has been given heeps of leeway with he lies and let people down when telling them over the victims of the sexual assault from a perpetrator working in her office and then changing her story when the shit hits the fan. Jacinda uses people to stay inthe news and tosses them aside when the usefulness goes, it’s all about Jacinda not NZer’s.
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October 15, 2019 8:11am
- JibberJabber
  
  The lying is compulsive, she just can`t help it,
  https://twitter.com/NZNationalParty/status/1183600819570008065
  
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  October 15, 2019 8:26am
  - NoCash
    
    But… but… but… she told us that you don’t need to lie to be a politician and her government would be the most transparent ever. Was it a lie?
    
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    October 15, 2019 8:47am
  - Ruahine
    
    I think Ms Ardern has psychological deficiencies and probably stems from an over protected upbringing.
    She does not seem to be able to deal with the realities of being a PM or dealing with life in general and her fallback position is to pretend that something did not happen or that she invents a different reality which is called lying. Hence Justin Lester was not a Labour Party endorsement.
    
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    October 15, 2019 9:18am
    - Tall Man
      
      Possibly, I think she’s just full of shit so that’s what pops out when she opens her mouth.
      
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      October 15, 2019 10:23am
- peterwn
  
  ….. fallen out of favour for not toeing the party line.
  This does not make sense. I thought he was dumped by voters for toeing the party line (that Julie-Ann Genter letter). Unless Justin has the misfortune to be caught between a rock and a hard place.
  
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  October 15, 2019 8:43am
Simon

What’s Chinese for “how dare you!” Does it matter?

And if there really is a Klimate Krisis wouldn’t you want someone serious and capable in government? Ardern really? Is that it?
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October 15, 2019 8:13am
Luke Piewalker

Seems NZ doesn’t think much of Labours ‘year of delivery’
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October 15, 2019 8:13am
- Tall Man
  
  And when all you have to deliver is bullshit and “talk” do you blame them 😉
  
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  October 15, 2019 8:42am
LTA1955

Mikey’s Tuesday morning bail up with the Glitter Ball is as revealing as a carpark puddle. The Mt Albert Muddler has drifted into irrelevancy. Roll on 2020
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October 15, 2019 8:15am
- pdm
  
  `The Mt Albert Muddler’
  
  Love it LTA1955 – worth more than one uptick.
  
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  October 15, 2019 8:37am
Simon

Extinction Rebellion demands to the Government:
– Tell the truth and declare a climate and ecological emergency;
– Act now and halt biodiversity loss and reduce greenhouse emissions to net zero by 2025, and
– Go beyond politics and setup a citizen’s assembly on climate and ecological justice.

Tell the truth lol – conspiracy nuts, NZ very own Area 51 but with the climate, and it gets worse after this.

Anyway shouldn’t these little tards put their demands to the electorate? That’s how its supposed to work. Are there no adults who can that can point this out? Admittedly they have been dealing with the Greens.

Or are these climate clowns who get a lot of MSM coverage not really taken seriously by anyone?
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October 15, 2019 8:16am
- Rich Prick
  
  You forgot their fourth yet to be announced demand: pay compensation to Maori, because they’re especially affected by the weather caused by white privilege.
  
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  October 15, 2019 8:39am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Which Maori?
    
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    October 15, 2019 9:04am
    - JackRabbit
      
      @KevO’Brien
      
      The seventeenth wave. The other sixteen waves of people settling in NZ dating back tens of thousands of years don’t count.
      
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      October 15, 2019 9:47am
    - sooty
      
      The elitist, same as always!
      
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      October 15, 2019 9:52am
Inandout

From the mouth of Google, who are sooo impartial on the difference between Left and Right:

‘Movements for racial equality and trade unionism have also been associated with the left. Political scientists and other analysts regard the right as including Christian democrats, conservatives, right-libertarians, neoconservatives, imperialists, monarchists, fascists, reactionaries and traditionalists’.

The left sound so innocent and harmless, no mention of Antifa and the other destructive organisations.
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October 15, 2019 8:17am
- Jules99
  
  Wow, that’s a pretty broad sweep and probably comprises most of society.
  
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  October 15, 2019 8:52am
- Brian Marshall
  
  Fascists are left wing. Nazi’s are left wing. Racial equality via equal opportunity are libertarian view point. Aka right wing. Racial equality via outcomes are communist view point. Aka left wing.
  Google no longer has the motto “do no evil”, but you’d have thought that they’d at least keep trying for a lot longer than a couple of years before openly being so deceiving.
  
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  October 15, 2019 9:46am
chaos

* Convicted drug smuggler Karel Sroubek wasn’t the only criminal Immigration Minister Iain Lees-Galloway granted residency to, Newshub can reveal.

Documents obtained under the Official Information Act show since Lees-Galloway took office in October 2017, two people with criminal convictions have been allowed to stay in New Zealand.*

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/10/exclusive-immigration-minister-grants-residency-to-another-convicted-criminal-after-karel-sroubek.html
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October 15, 2019 8:20am
- igm
  
  Maybe Lees-Galloway will change his name again . . . then he might fall under the radar.
  
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  October 15, 2019 8:59am
  - MrLovebucket
    
    Or he can go hide behind another pole.
    
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    October 15, 2019 9:23am
    - Tall Man
      
      He was a Czech, silly…….
      
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      October 15, 2019 10:21am
  - MH
    
    lest he falls under the gallows.
    
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    October 15, 2019 9:35am
- Bobba Fret
  
  More pressure on ILG. He is so useless……so he has changed the process after Sroubek debacle, and that change is to actually take time to read the file!!! FFS they say if you pay peanuts, you get monkeys, ILG is paid a very high salary and look what we get!!!
  
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  October 15, 2019 9:06am
  - Tall Man
    
    Big peanuts?
    
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    October 15, 2019 10:20am
    - Aliog
      
      No – big monkeys!
      
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      October 15, 2019 5:21pm
- Greg Ettridge
  
  Scoreboard for embracing residency for criminals
  ILG 2 public made aware of.
  Peter Dutton minus 4,500 and rapidly counting.
  I wonder how many Peter could have achieved without the leftie overturns.
  Which person do you want guarding your borders?
  
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  October 15, 2019 9:30am
  - chaos
    
    if he wasn’t corrupt I’d pick this guy with his gun, but alas, he is about as useless as the current idiot
    
    https://www.guardianonline.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/14/shane-jones-spotted-with-ar-15-semi-automatic/Shane-Jones-gun-web-700×436.jpg
    
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    October 15, 2019 9:45am
- G152
  
  Building his gang up
  
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  October 15, 2019 9:59am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  No-one who fears being deported back to their country of origin repeatedly breaks the law of a sheltering country.
  
  There must be some other reason as to why this criminal gets residency.
  
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  October 15, 2019 10:09am
  - Ruawai
    
    So we protect this one non NZer repeat drink driver from a possible threat if he is returned to his home land, but put at risk NZers driving on the same roads as him when he drives drunk again.
    
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    October 15, 2019 11:26am
- kowtow
  
  The Nats gave the drink driver a visa in 2013 and 2016 .
  
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  October 15, 2019 12:04pm
chaos

Prime minister liar, lying again

* No one likes to be associated with a loser – and it seems Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has wasted no time in cutting loose Wellington’s outgoing mayor, Justin Lester.

“Justin ran as an independent,” Jacinda Ardern snipped as she was being asked whether Labour should take any lessons from the one-term mayor’s loss at the weekend.

Yeah well, right up until the campaign closed Labour – yes, Labour – was looking for donations for the party’s Wellington campaigns with donors being asked to cough up up to $500 with the ad showing Justin Lester and his family sitting above the Labour Party logo on Oriental Bay beach smiling for the camera.*

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12276509
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October 15, 2019 8:21am
- Gravelroad
  
  Is Ardern just dumb or is she really the devious liar others on here say she is?
  I find this response from her mind-boggling – whatever happened to “kindness” and respect and support for your comrades?
  No wonder her CoL from hell is going down in the polls.
  
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  October 15, 2019 8:45am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Let me think this through:
    
    She’s the Leader of the NZ Labour Party and did not know that the Mayor of the Capital City was standing on the Labour platform.
    
    I reckon she is as thick as a brick, lazy as hell, doesn’t have a clue, and is losing the plot.
    
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    October 15, 2019 9:03am
    - chaos
      
      Well, hmmm, in her defence she doesn’t even know when her own staff members are laying complaints about her and Grant’s friend sexually abusing them. I’m still trying to find out if she knows how to tie her own shoelaces yet.
      
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      October 15, 2019 9:28am
      - Tall Man
        
        Boots man, are you blind?
        
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        October 15, 2019 10:19am
    - rightoverlabour
      
      Maggy, now that you have said the nice things about her…. lets get stuck in with a few more “truthful” adjectives…. bad tempered, economical with the truth ( ok a blatant liar), conniving….
      
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      October 15, 2019 6:03pm
  - Tall Man
    
    “is she really the devious liar others on here say she is?”
    
    Rhetorical I assume…..
    
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    October 15, 2019 10:20am
- stephieboy
  
  It is not uncommon for local body candiadates to run as Independents even if actually affiliated to a central government party.
  
  John Banks comes to mind in that respect. The old Citizens and Ratepayers were into this kind of thing as though you could try and keep politics out of local body politics.
  
  Andy Foster too,’
  
  https://thespinoff.co.nz/local-elections/13-10-2019/cheat-sheet-just-who-is-wellingtons-new-mayor-andy-foster/
  
  In Britain things are more trsnparent and honest in Local Body elections with a more or less straightforward Conservatives vs Labour etc.
  
  It shoukd be the same here. .
  
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  October 15, 2019 6:58pm
srylands

The scale of new Liquified Natural Gas projects globally is quite staggering. Totally different from the “fossil fuels are evil” rhetoric. These staggeringly gigantic and expensive facilities would not be built if there was not confidence in demand.

https://www.nsenergybusiness.com/features/qatar-global-lng-exports-top-5/
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October 15, 2019 8:21am
- peterwn
  
  and NZ will be importing lots of LNG in due course since oil and gas exploration in NZ has been banned.
  
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  October 15, 2019 8:51am
  - srylands
    
    No. New Zealand will not be using any natural gas by 2040. All of the existing coal fired and gas fired domestic, industrial, and domestic infrastructure will be abandoned. All of that infrastructure will be converted to electricity and it will all be powered by renewables.
    
    Yes I am being sarcastic. However there are clearly people who believe it. Back in the real world, the world will, by 2040, be using vastly more gas than today.
    
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    October 15, 2019 9:20am
    - MH
      
      tell Greta we welcome typhoons and tornadoes here -makes the windmills go round, what’s a little flooding matter.
      
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      October 15, 2019 9:39am
      - Brian Marshall
        
        “How dare you!”
        
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        October 15, 2019 9:52am
      - Tall Man
        
        Boosting hydro storage 😉
        
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        October 15, 2019 10:18am
    - Vory v zakone
      
      srylands, 45% more by 2050 according to IEA.
      
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      October 16, 2019 1:41am
JibberJabber

Thomas Sowell

Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it. Even countries that were once more prosperous than their neighbors have found themselves much poorer than their neighbors after just one generation of socialistic policies.
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October 15, 2019 8:23am
- JackRabbit
  
  Thomas Sowell
  
  The fundamental problem of the political Left seems to be that the real world does not fit their preconceptions. Therefore they see the real world as what is wrong, and what needs to be changed, since apparently their preconceptions cannot be wrong.
  
  -Describes both Greta and Jacinda
  
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  October 15, 2019 10:32am
  - stephieboy
    
    Jack Rabbitt, Thomas Sowell with bon eof his morre idiotic quotes talking to himself
    
    “It takes considerable knowledge just to realize the extent of your own ignorance,”
    
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    October 15, 2019 7:05pm
tedbear

Twyford of can’t build houses fame says on Q&A he’s going to order councils to build them instead. Will he give them the necessary $billions? Yeah, nah, more taxes on ratepayers will do the trick.
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October 15, 2019 8:24am
- chaos
  
  He can’t order the councils to do anything, and also has very little role in kiwibuild now.
  
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  October 15, 2019 8:33am
- Rich Prick
  
  Great, leaky buildings 2.0, where we all get to pay for them twice.
  
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  October 15, 2019 8:46am
- Piniwi
  
  As always tedbear the devil is in the details again making the first utterance of such a scheme like one of those Impossible Mission messages that self destruct in 60 seconds. It again illustrates how desperate the COL is to pass the buck on “affordable housing” which is a term they quickly drop when considering their own performance.
  
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  October 15, 2019 2:36pm
sooty

Labour are going to roll Cindy in some goldplated glitter now. That chrome plated stuff didn’t work! Nothing their polices work and are going backwards, Shit ministers, No Nobel peace.
Will another baybee do it. A wedding. Helen and Cullen shooting each other in a gunfight. Not a lot to pick from and all the time losing voters!
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October 15, 2019 8:25am
- chaos
  
  She won’t be rolled because even going down in the polls they know without her the polls would collapse.
  
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  October 15, 2019 8:31am
  - MrLovebucket
    
    Well they could always replace her with …. um …. hmmm ….
    
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    October 15, 2019 9:26am
    - Tall Man
      
      I think her “pull cord talky function” gets stuck sometimes.
      
      I’m sure you can see helun’s boney hand tugging at times…..
      
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      October 15, 2019 10:18am
- Tall Man
  
  And losers voting for them……
  
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  October 15, 2019 8:45am
- stigie
  
  “Will another baybee do it.”
  
  Yes it will, right after a taxpayer paid white wedding and photo shoot !~
  
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  October 15, 2019 8:55am
  - Tall Man
    
    Downtick for pessimism and misreading the people of New Zealand.
    
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    October 15, 2019 10:16am
    - stigie
      
      And i thought that was Stiffy..? //
      
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      October 15, 2019 10:54am
      - Tall Man
        
        Nah, too early for her.
        
        She’s still awaiting troll instructions as to how to deflect ardern’s appalling lying and her slump in the polls.
        
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        October 15, 2019 11:48am
- Jules99
  
  Well, despite the gushing in the media by her fan club, I don’t think the baby went down well with middle NZ. Most mums think back to when they had their first and know that there’s no way they could have held down a demanding job like leader of a country. A few manage fine with extensive help, but most struggle. That’s why her supporters went the extra mile to normalise it. The electorate would rather she focused on running NZ.
  
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  October 15, 2019 8:57am
Poppa

As I logged on this morning I noticed the Kiwibuild deficit counter is a tad under 20,000.

So have we progressed far from the 200 odd built at last count?

Has there ever been a more spectacular failure in the history of man?
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October 15, 2019 8:29am
- yossarian
  
  At least the Titanic made it half way across the Atlantic!
  
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  October 15, 2019 9:10am
  - kowtow
    
    Another disaster caused by poor judgement/ leadership.
    But unlike this coalition some good came from it. Better safety at sea.
    
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    October 15, 2019 9:30am
    - chaos
      
      Titanic sank because it had to alter its course to pick up Greta.
      
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      October 15, 2019 9:49am
    - MH
      
      no it was all down to the start of global warming = had not the industrial revolution occured the iceberg wouldn’t have broken off from…..who’s iceberg was it by the way- Newfies or GreenTrump Land? Some say Maori tried to bring the first macron on one of these bergs to Van Demonzs Land – that is another story- but it melted, the macron of course.
      
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      October 15, 2019 10:37am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        It was most likely off a glacier from the SW coast of Greenland.
        Iceberg risk in the Titanic year of 1912: was it exceptional?
        https://rmets.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/wea.2238
        
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        October 15, 2019 11:17am
Maggie Pie

Had to head off 9:30 last night so missed Simon B on Q&A. By all accounts he came across very well, with one of my colleagues at work describing it as a ‘statesmanlike’ performance. Even my partners mum txted me later in the night saying she had watched it and thought Simon appeared to have had a complete new makeover, which she reckoned made him look a lot more ‘Maorified’ …..[whatever that’s supposed to mean?]
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October 15, 2019 8:29am
- MH
  
  Maorified = european cannibalism of Maori, rare to medium usage.
  
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  October 15, 2019 10:40am
kowtow

Our Media Party always latch onto overseas media stories about Outer Owa .
I wonder how much attention this one will garner.

“The UN agency estimates that the cartel has a 40% to 70% share of the wholesale regional meth market that has expanded at least fourfold in the past five years.

Lawmakers believe the drugs are being funneled to at least a dozen countries from Japan in North Asia to New Zealand in the South Pacific.

Sam Gor is believed to collaborate with a more diverse range of local crime groups than the Latin cartels do, including Japan’s Yakuza, Australia’s biker gangs and ethnic Chinese gangs across Southeast Asia.”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/10/14/drugs-investigators-close-asian-el-chapo-centre-vast-meth-ring/
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October 15, 2019 8:30am
igm

What is this vile and spiteful CoL going to do about the compliant and incompetent governor Orr?
He is attempting to totally devalue savings, material assets, and independence of those that worked hard and succeeded in order to sate his socialist tastes.
He is a real disaster, but maybe he wants to see Venezuela here in NZ . . . possibly Robertson and he have a hidden agenda!
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October 15, 2019 8:46am
- MCos
  
  I have little understanding of your beef with Adrian Orr from reading your tirade.
  Here’s an uncomplimentary article from Stuff.
  The comments, uncharacteristicly for Stuff articles, are informative.
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/116435882/does-the-end-justify-the-means-in-adrian-orrs-effort-to-strengthen-banking
  
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  October 15, 2019 9:55am
chaos

I find it ironic that a speaker who in the past physically assaulted another member and got away with it can hand down any punishment at all. Most corrupt speaker we have had.

* Parliament video: National leader Simon Bridges risks imprisonment or $1000 fine for defying Speaker’s ruling*

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12276274
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October 15, 2019 8:49am
- peterwn
  
  Trouble for Labour is all Nat MP’s have deliberately and simultaneously transgressed, so the Speaker and COL members of the Privileges Committee cannot just pick Simon and not other National MP’s. All National MP’s would need to be punished.
  This would turn it from a quasi-judicial matter to a political circus and Labour and COL would be on a hiding to nowhere with this.
  Also Simon (with Chris Findlayson’s help) have done the legal homework on this and Simon is sure of his legal position.
  
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  October 15, 2019 9:04am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    I agree. National versus Mallard has been brewing for well over a year, and clearly the National caucus decided that enough was enough. If I was seeking legal advice on an issue such as this, the former Attorney-General, Christopher Finlayson QC would be high on my list of options.
    
    This could turn out to be the issue by which Mallard’s tenure of the role of Speaker is remembered, and history is unlikely to remember him fondly.
    
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    October 15, 2019 9:45am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Mallard will duck for cover. Bridges has an escape route–the ballot box.
    Taxcinda is tripsy.
    
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    October 15, 2019 10:38am
Maggie Pie

This is quite scary.
Maybe we should be keeping China on side for safety-sake?
The UK Sun is reporting Prez Xi is now making veiled threats “…to crush bodies and shatter bones”.
My partner reckons he sounds like a right a~~hole.

https://twitter.com/TheSun/status/1183815457306038273
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October 15, 2019 8:51am
MCos

Here’s a story to cheer you up.

https://themindunleashed.com/2019/10/palestinian-plumbers-refuse-to-charge-elderly-israeli-after-learning-shes-a-holocaust-survivor.html
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October 15, 2019 8:56am
- kowtow
  
  A nice story , cynically used to propagate an anti semitic myth.
  
  “However, the crux of the problem lies in the fact that the indigenous Arab population of Palestine lost most of their land in 1948 when European Jews—many of whom fled the Holocaust or settled in the region following World War II—drove the indigenous Arab population from their homes and villages in the bloody campaign of conquest known to Palestinians as the nakba, or “catastrophe.” “
  
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  October 15, 2019 9:27am
  - Tall Man
    
    Are you as supportive of maori trying to gain back their land that was “stolen” by the nasty whiteys…….
    
    How far back should we go? Maybe when Joshua “crumbled” the walls of Jericho? I mean the Palestinians have Jericho now so maybe they should give it back………
    
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    October 15, 2019 10:12am
    - kowtow
      
      The Maoris are no more indigenous to Outter Owa than the Arabs are to the Levant , so I’m not sure what your point is .
      
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      October 15, 2019 11:19am
      - Tall Man
        
        As I suspected, you really don’t have capacity for deep thought.
        
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        October 15, 2019 11:45am
  - The King
    
    Wheres the myth?
    
    jewish terrorists rolled barrel bombs into Palestinian villages and blew up western hotels, American ships, they even blew up Marine Le Pens house when she was a child.
    
    You never heard of the Irgun,Lehi,Haganah or Palmach?
    
    Israel was founded on terrorism, in fact the Likud party in power right now use to be the Irgun terrorist group.
    
    But none of this is real because de ebil Germans threw jews in cages with bears and eagles amirite?
    
    How does 1 survive 7 death camps?
    
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    October 15, 2019 10:28am
    - Tall Man
      
      How does one develope so much hatred for a group of people on the other side of the world that he has probably never met?
      
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      October 15, 2019 11:44am
      - The King
        
        Imagine thinking i liked John Key.
        
        Yeah, but you’re not saying i’m wrong are you.
        
        Because you have no argument against the facts.
        
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        October 15, 2019 1:21pm
      - Tall Man
        
        King, your facts may be right but they are only part of the story.
        
        Tell the bit about the Poms pulling out and handing all ordnance and firepower to the arabs.
        
        Israel survived through courage and guile.
        
        Your hatred is just that, hatred without foundation.
        
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        October 15, 2019 3:50pm
      - The King
        
        @Tallman
        
        Yes fine, the Brits gave firepower to the Arabs
        
        And the jewish terrorists still killed innocent Brits in the King David hotel bombing..
        
        Say it with me Tall man…”jewish terrorists” say it! or never call Tarrant a terrorist ever again.
        
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        October 15, 2019 5:36pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    ”…Palestine lost most of their land in 1948 when…”
    
    Was it “their land” or “their leased land”? If the European Jews bought the land from the absentee landlords, then who were these landlords who sold the land?
    
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    October 15, 2019 11:16am
    - The King
      
      The Palestinians invited the jews back in solidarity after ww2 ,much like Saladin did when he took Jerusalem from the crusaders.
      
      Then the jews took their 2000 year old mortgage document (the old testament) and claimed everything because the ebil Germans used marmalade on jews heads to turn them into cannibals, after vaporizing other jews with a 1 million volt electric floor.
      
      This is all documented fact anyone question the marmalade you’re just an anti-semite.
      
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      October 15, 2019 11:56am
  - kowtow
    
    ps
    That quote is from the Pally Plumber story , is in quotation marks and is the point of the story about the nice plumbers , it’s being used to vilify Israel .
    
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    October 15, 2019 11:57am
kowtow

Who knew yoga was so dangerous ?

‘A woman has survived a 25-metre fall from a balcony in Mexico after she slipped off while trying to perform a dangerous yoga pose. ‘

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/lifestyle/2019/08/woman-plummets-from-balcony-after-attempting-dangerous-yoga-pose.html
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October 15, 2019 9:01am
- atomic drop
  
  Anything in Mexico is dangerous – chainsaw executions, sacks of body parts thrown down wells.
  
  You will NEVER get any coverage of the Human Abattoir aka Mexico in our antiwhite Globalist #openborders #theyAreUs media.
  
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  October 15, 2019 10:31am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    The reviews of Rambo Last Blood were full of hate because the bad guys were Mexicans. According to the reviewers, Mexican cartels don’t exist. Meanwhile, in the real world, those “non-existent” cartels are actively expanding their reach into NZ and Australia.
    
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    October 15, 2019 11:19am
    - Straight arrow
      
      No (or little) mention in reviews (of previous Rambo films) about Rambo being “racist” in those previous films: Vietnamese, Russians, Burmese.
      
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      October 15, 2019 1:52pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  On the plus side, she actually survived a 25 mete fall so the yoga may have helped her get all bendy.
  
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  October 15, 2019 11:20am
lastmanstanding

IMHO the Climate Change Hoax is starting to get seen for what it is by more and more people.

A power and money grab by central and local government and a money grab by corporations.

Think the plastic bag bull shit. the supermarkets will have saved big bucks but they havent passed one cent of that saving on to their customers.

I also sense there is some Greta Fatigue setting in with citizens getting sick of lectured on how they should life their lives.

Closer to home hopefully Labour and Greens will keep on banging on about CC and piss enough people off to not vote for them
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October 15, 2019 9:12am
- chaos
  
  Within 12 months the climate warming hoax will be gone. People will realise we have to clean up our environment, but the money making, fear creating climate hoax will no longer exist.
  
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  October 15, 2019 9:13am
  - Poppa
    
    I think it will disappear at some stage, but there is far too much money at stake for the puppeteers to allow it to wilt that soon.
    
    I would love to follow the money & see how many times the ticket gets clipped & where it all ends up. There is trillions involved
    
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    October 15, 2019 9:57am
    - chaos
      
      The scam will unfold more rapidly
      
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      October 15, 2019 10:05am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    It would take a couple of years of sustained lowish temperatures to really nail it or another 10 years of slow 1.3°C/century troposphere rises and 0.15°C / century ARGO ocean temp rises.
    https://www.drroyspencer.com/wp-content/uploads/UAH_LT_1979_thru_September_2019_v6.jpg
    
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    October 15, 2019 11:56am
- Gravelroad
  
  Yep, win for the supermarket millionaires all right:
  Don’t have to spend on plastic bags and every day they are getting rid of a lot of their own waste products- cardboard cartons.
  All the supermarkets in our town have line-ups of hundreds of boxes and managers smile as customers walk out with them filled with stuff.
  A very easy recycling project for them.
  And customers can cut up the cardboard and use to light the fire……….
  
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  October 15, 2019 9:28am
  - Tall Man
    
    The world is a circle…. What goes around comes around.
    
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    October 15, 2019 10:07am
  - ISeeRed
    
    Where I work (a supermarket), we’ve always kept cardboard boxes for customers, long before the stupid ineffective bag ban. Not all of them, but a lot. They mostly get crushed in a cardboard compactor and made into bales, then a waste company takes them away. Apparently, the supermarket owner makes $45,000 a year from them. As is so often the case, you can make big money from recycling and other green fads only if the poor taxpayer and ratepayer is forced to subsidise it.
    
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    October 15, 2019 11:48am
- The King
  
  Its a psyop on westerners to make them look the other way on immigration.
  
  Very soon you will see the term “climate refugees” more and more.
  
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  October 15, 2019 10:32am
- atomic drop
  
  IT IS NOT A HOAX.
  
  You are making fools of yourselves, and helping the globalists/Left.
  
  You almost deserve the 3rd World swarms and tranny “rights” being shoved down your throat.
  
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  October 15, 2019 10:35am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Hmm real academic sort of rebuttal that one eh? How about trying to put forward a coherent argument. Go here to see how academics argue the finer points of atmopsheric warming. Read the comments below where the opposing academics argue their respective positions. And some clowns claim the science is settled?
    
    https://globalwarmingsolved.com/2013/11/summary-the-physics-of-the-earths-atmosphere-papers-1-3/
    
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    October 15, 2019 7:01pm
KevO'Brien

Orr rolls over and has his tummy tickled by Robbo so he is agreeable to some.
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October 15, 2019 9:16am
- Tall Man
  
  Thank fuck I’d had my breakfast…… That thought would have put me off my porridge…..
  
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  October 15, 2019 10:06am
DigNap15

I posted this on another blog

Looks like Andrew Little has finally made his move on weakening our justice system.
Last night I braved Jack Tame on QA&A.
He had a Maori judge on for an interview.
He has been appointed to reform the district courts.
His main thrust is to make them more maori and ethnic friendly so that users of the court system will feel more inclusive
He will be pushing Maori mare based justice to all district courts.
He cited the case ten years ago where a repeat offender found his maori roots and is now a perfect citizen.

I say One law for all!
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October 15, 2019 10:13am
- RightFirstTime
  
  And not once during that interview was the word “victim” mentioned. It was however an opportunity for Jack to practise his Te Reo. BTW what’s with the funny gesticulating that Jack does with his hands at the end of the programme? For fear of stating the obvious it makes him look a bit stupid.
  
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  October 15, 2019 1:50pm
Tall Man

“Open mike 15/10/2019
WrittenBy: NOTICES AND FEATURES – Date published:7:00 am, October 15th, 2019 – 6 comments”

The standard at 10:35.

Six comments. Slow day or are the lazy lefties still in bed licking their wounds?

Currently 106 comments on Kiwiblog and 45 on YSB.

Are the “right” just morning people?

😉
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October 15, 2019 10:39am
atomic drop

Well that didn’t take long.

Kurds jump into bed with Assad. Like according to you Globalist warmongers on here, Assad is HITLER x 1000000, LOL.

What you gonna do now Globalist warmongers, no more crying crocodile tears for “our Kurdish allies” now they are between the sheets with Literally Hitler.

One of your Forever Wars just got shut down permanently. Hehe.

MAGA!
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October 15, 2019 10:41am
- The King
  
  I literally predicted this here the other day the kurds were the first allies of isis, they change allegiance where ever the wind blows.
  
  NZ still has the PKK on a designated terrorist list and the media are now calling them ‘our allies’
  
  We are now allies with a terrorist group on our governments terrorist list…
  
  Clown world.
  
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  October 15, 2019 11:43am
  - DigNap15
    
    Sadly the Kurds cannot get themselves together.
    There are too many faction with different argendas
    I have always wanted to see a united Kurdistan, but its going to take forever.
    
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    October 15, 2019 12:32pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Another USA-owned space co. in NZ.
https://www.leolabs.space/
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October 15, 2019 10:45am
- rangitoto
  
  Makes sense as there is little coverage of the sections of orbits over the South pacific.
  
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  October 15, 2019 11:23am
  - cmm
    
    Yup, they specialise in Low Earth Orbit (LEO) tracking. Since the satellites are low they cannot be seen from very far away. That increases the need for multiple dispersed ground stations.
    
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    October 15, 2019 2:27pm
Odakyu-sen

Don’t live where you depend on levies to keep the local rivers at bay. There have been some 37 breaches of levies in eastern and northern Honshu due to the incredible rainfall of Typhoon 19.
Death toll already at 50.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ov2i8ZdMsgY
My sister owns a house that is just 25 metres from a levy, but fortunately it held in the storm.
Others were not so fortunate.

I would never buy a house on a flood plain. (That 1-in-50-year flood that we seem to get every couple of years will take you out!)
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October 15, 2019 10:51am
- MCos
  
  The entire city of Bangkok is built on a flood plane.
  Nowhere is more than about a metre and a half above sea level. Every year the Chao Phaya River floods for months on end and the same poor sods have to move upstairs for the duration.
  Back in 2011 virtually the whole metropolitan area was flooded, apart from the areas that were naturally slightly higher or on backfilled land.
  Other years it will be somewhere else.
  
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  October 15, 2019 12:14pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Although many Japanese home owners will have insurance, it may take a very long time for them to get their payouts and start reconstruction.
    
    Typhoon 15, which blew through Chiba Prefecture last month, damaged the roofs of tens of thousands of houses. Now Typhoon 19 has led to some 52 breaches of levies on 32 rivers, and flooded tens of thousands of homes.
    The insurance companies only have a limited number of assessers, and are bound by their own procedures to work through a proper assessment processs in each individual case.
    
    It will take several months before assessment of the damage caused by the latest typhoon can begin. It might take years for the insured to get their payouts.
    
    Insurance systems are not able to cope with mass disasters so well.
    
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    October 15, 2019 1:02pm
  - Tall Man
    
    I was there then. You could reach out the window of a taxi and touch water.
    
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    October 15, 2019 1:32pm
  - cmm
    
    Pretty much the whole of Bangladesh is the Ganges flood plain. No wonder thousands of people get drowned every time it rains.
    
    I suppose we could call it climate change and guilt the Europeans out of come cash.
    
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    October 15, 2019 2:30pm
RW Capitalist

QUOTE, direct from “the Standard”
The delusion continues…long may it do so.

“The October TV One/Colmar Brunton poll is out. Like yesterday’s devastating TV3 poll result showing National not waving, but drowning, today’s poll confirms that NZ is still heading toward an historic Labour/Green Government, despite the Tories flirting with numbers in the high fifties.”
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October 15, 2019 11:00am
Fletch

Undercover video at CNN. Jeff Zucker recorded at morning briefings. His whole object is to get Trump, at any cost, it seems. He has a personal vendetta.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7XZmugtLv4

We simply can’t trust the media when it comes to Trump, climate change, etc. You have to find out for yourself.
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October 15, 2019 11:00am
- The King
  
  Jeff Zucker is jewish.
  
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  October 15, 2019 11:44am
  - MCos
    
    What’s your point?
    
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    October 15, 2019 12:23pm
    - The King
      
      I just notice things, like pattern recognition.
      
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      October 15, 2019 1:15pm
      - stephieboy
        
        The King ( kea? )
        
        The curve of nose and draw conclusions?
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Eternal_Jew_(1940_film)#/media/File:EwigerJudeFilm.jpg
        
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        October 15, 2019 3:51pm
    - Lance
      
      The King (with an odd resemblance to an NZ alpine parrot) blames the worlds ills on dem Joos.
      
      In other words, he is antisemitic.
      
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      October 15, 2019 2:28pm
      - The King
        
        Whats funny is all i said was… “he’s jewish”
        
        That’s all it took.
        
        That’s how conditioned you are – just the word ‘jewish’ and you’re into your anti-semitic conspiracy theory.
        
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        October 15, 2019 5:44pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    I despise identity politics and conspiracy theories.
    
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    October 15, 2019 1:03pm
    - The King
      
      Whats the conspiracy?
      
      He’s jewish and runs one of the biggest networks in the world?
      
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      October 15, 2019 4:15pm
Cobolt24

Net migration gain up 9.4% in year August compared to previous 12 months.

Headline from http://www.interest.co.nz top breaking news banner, no article yet.
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October 15, 2019 11:24am
- Tall Man
  
  Good thing “what’s in it for wynston” got the figure down to 10,000 … or was it ardern’s promise of 30,000 …. It’s just so hard to work through all the bullshit from those two.
  
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  October 15, 2019 11:50am
- Cobolt24
  
  New Zealand lost 13,577 NZ citizens in year to August, almost double the previous year’s loss. But the net gain from migration still almost reached 54,000
  https://www.interest.co.nz/property/102128/country-lost-13577-nz-citizens-year-august-almost-double-previous-years-loss
  
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  October 15, 2019 12:01pm
- BananaLlama
  
  The country suffered a net loss of 13,577 New Zealand citizens in the year to August, almost double the net loss of 7265 in the year to August 2018 and more than three time the net loss of New Zealanders in the year to August 2017.
  
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  October 15, 2019 12:04pm
- ISeeRed
  
  I want a breakdown of what nationalities are coming and going. How many of “our citizens” are really foreigners who have just gained their residency. Conversely, how many coming here are just Kiwis returning home. These figures should be routinely published and disseminated.
  
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  October 15, 2019 12:08pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    It seems that the ethnic structure of the population of Auckland has been significantly and permanently changed over the last 20 years due to immigration of people from non-traditional feeder countries.
    
    Who can say if this is a good thing or a bad thing?
    
    There have been changes and benefits to the local economy. I personally have benefitted, but I feel for the elderly locals who have lived here all their lives and are now unable to read the shops signs in many parts of Auckland (not that they would likely be customers of those shops). How strange it must seem to be in their local bank and be surrounded by non-native speakers of English.
    Never mind, these elderly will soon pass on, and their grandchildren will know no different. For them, to be surrounded by native speakers of Mandarin at the ASB in Howick will be completely normal.
    
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    October 15, 2019 12:30pm
    - Jules99
      
      My mum has lived 50 years in her current house. For most of those she was surrounded by people of the same culture, but now she’s the only one left. She’s actually a leftie who thinks multiculturalism is great, so she’s trying to assimilate to her new neighbours (who are all from different cultures – African and Indian mostly), but it’s hard because their English isn’t always that great and she’s not sure whether they understand her when she speaks. Plus she’s faced with cultural activities that she doesn’t know how to engage with, e.g. should you take a plate/gift? Still, as you day, she’ll be dead soon, so I guess it doesn’t matter if her culture is completely lost.
      
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      October 15, 2019 1:17pm
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        Jules99,
        Look at it this way. If each generation (boomers, Gen X, etc.) can be said to have its own culture, then as that generation dies off, its culture dies with it.
        For example, some of my ancestors would have worked in trades that no longer exist or which have become totally changed by modern technology. Their customs, ways of dress, passtimes, diet, social culture, is all long dead and gone (and I am only talking about 90 years (or 3 generations) ago).
        
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        October 15, 2019 4:55pm
  - Paulus
    
    Only New Zealand CITIZENS should be allowed to vote.
    
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    October 15, 2019 2:01pm
    - MCos
      
      I disagree.
      That is the situation in Australia, for example, which means that New Zealanders who go over there to live can be ignored by the local MP because there is no path to citizenship.
      
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      October 15, 2019 5:20pm
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        So it is easier for the camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a New Zealand citizen to become and Australian?
        Maybe easier for Japanese nationals…?
        
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        October 15, 2019 6:37pm
      - Jack5
        
        MCos, not sure what you mean by this about New Zealanders in Australia:“…there is no path to citizenship.”
        
        The Australian web site linked to below lays out ways New Zealanders can seek permanent residence, then citizenship. At a quick glance, it’s complex.
        
        But is it the case that New Zealanders who move to Australia now and don’t meet certain skill or income thresholds, aren’t eligible to gain Australian citizenship?
        
        https://immi.homeaffairs.gov.au/entering-and-leaving-australia/new-zealand-citizens/pathway-to-permanent-resident-and-citizenship
        
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        October 15, 2019 7:59pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Looks like a lively QT this arvo:

https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/order-paper-questions/list-of-oral-questions/oral-questions-15-october-2019/
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October 15, 2019 11:43am
- chaos
  
  Might make a cup of tea while Chris bishop is asking his question, should have time to do that and maybe more before the first answer
  
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  October 15, 2019 12:03pm
- DigNap15
  
  I just watched part of it and noticed that Labour hardly ever answered a question properly.
  
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  October 15, 2019 3:05pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Ardern needs some better advice.
This is a disaster…. once again she shows she doesn’t give a stuff about the safety of ordinary Kiwis.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/10/jacinda-ardern-won-t-intervene-over-repeat-drink-driver-granted-residency.html
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October 15, 2019 11:51am
- igm
  
  Imagine if the pissed driver hit a mosque . . . Ardern would make another captain’s call and deport him.
  
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  October 15, 2019 12:57pm
- chaos
  
  They are now blaming National, but not saying if he had any convicts then. Interest that he is a protected person that cannot be deported under law, so basically he can rape and murder people, and we really can’t get rid of him. I don’t believe that
  
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  October 15, 2019 1:05pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Apparently he arrived here nearly 20 years ago. That would be near the start of Klarkenfuhrer’s reign.
    
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    October 15, 2019 4:37pm
    - chaos
      
      Yeah peters tried to ask a question hoping the answer was he arrived under a national government, it backfired, he arrived under Clark
      
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      October 15, 2019 5:12pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Irrelevant when he arrived but it’s time he went now.
        
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        October 15, 2019 8:21pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    For anyone seeking asylum or protection status in NZ, they are expected to obey our laws.
    This is clearly outlined in their responsibilities (p.11)
    
    https://www.immigration.govt.nz/documents/refugees/claimingrefugeeandprotectionstatusinnewzealand.pdf
    
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    October 15, 2019 4:47pm
- Rich Prick
  
  I’ll wager that the offender is a fair way up the left’s victim pyramid. Far enough to be untouchable.
  
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  October 15, 2019 2:21pm
  - sooty
    
    So, they don’t have a liecence and don’t need one, so they just thumb their nose at the police now! You can’t touch me!
    
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    October 15, 2019 3:22pm
- Tall Man
  
  She’s an idiot.
  
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  October 15, 2019 3:41pm
BananaLlama

Watch Labour go all out on immigration. They will need as many new voters as they can get next election.
I thought it was too high under National but with polls pointing towards a tight election Labour will want as many new votes as they can get.

Makes a farce of the Greens moaning about over population and NZF nativist politics.
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October 15, 2019 12:00pm
- ISeeRed
  
  Yes. And any pale-faced critic will be portrayed as a Christchurch sympathiser and closet Nazi. I would LOVE for some prominent Maori to start publicly opposing current immigration policy. How could the coalition of wokeness argue with “We signed a treaty with the British, not the UN!”
  
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  October 15, 2019 12:21pm
- atomic drop
  
  Third worlders are imported as a form of QE. They take on debt and consume making the GDP figures look a bit less sad.
  
  Whitey is an aging shrinking demographic which has reached consumer debt limits = DEFLATIOIN and ECONOMIC CRISIS. Slashing interest rates so debt serfs could afford even more debt worked for a couple of decades but now there is hardly anymore room to move.
  
  So no matter who gets in power they will NEVER do anything but continue the 3rd World open borders immigration policies. And as more whiteys wake up to the horror of this Globalist social engineering project the more our overlords will do to shut down free speech and generally just any political freedoms we use to enjoy in white majority western countries.
  
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  October 15, 2019 12:38pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  The only reason we have the current government is immigration. Both NZ First and Labour actively campaigned on it and a number of centrist National voters switched because of it.
  
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  October 15, 2019 12:45pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Good to see they’ve kept their promises… Oh wait, That was Trump not these bastards.
    
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    October 15, 2019 3:43pm
Surely Knott

Auckland Council is putting their candidate announcement back another day (Now Friday) because they have 2000 more special votes than usual. My concern is their dial a ballot box announcement. The press release is dated 7 October when they announced that businesses could ring and organise a ballot box at their office. That’s on the friday the day before voting closed? So who did they give special ballot boxes to and how did it affect the vote. There should be a list of all the special ballot boxes sent out and their locations.
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October 15, 2019 12:40pm
Hugh Pavletich

NEW ZEALAND … Urban Development Minister Phil Twyford with TVNZ’s Jack Tame last night, following the TVNZ Colar Brunton and Newshub Reid Research polls trashing the government for not delivering as promised …

… Will this coalition government perform or perish due to its housing performance ? … essential viewing …

Cities need to grow up and out says Urban Development Minister Phil Twyford … Q&A TVNZ

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/urban-development-minister-eyes-privatisation-finance-infrastructure
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A wrap of the not so politically sexy work underway to increase the supply of houses… eventually … Jenee Tibshraeny … Interest Co NZ

https://www.interest.co.nz/opinion/102094/wrap-not-so-politically-sexy-work-underway-increase-supply-houses-eventually
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Access further related postings …

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/10/links-15-october-2019/#comment-3520660
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October 15, 2019 12:48pm
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  IMMIGATION BLOWOUT … ANOTHER BROKEN PROMISE …
  
  New Zealand lost 13,577 NZ citizens in year to August, almost double the previous year’s loss. But the net gain from migration still almost reached 54,000 … Greg Ninness … Interest Co NZ
  
  https://www.interest.co.nz/property/102128/country-lost-13577-nz-citizens-year-august-almost-double-previous-years-loss
  
  Labour’s election promise shattered as NZ immigration climbs … MacroBusiness Australia
  
  https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/10/labours-election-promise-shattered-as-nz-immigration-continues-to-rise/
  
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  October 15, 2019 5:04pm
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    NEW ZEALAND – CHRISTCHURCH: Why are property prices in some suburbs stagnating? … Shabnam Dastgheib … Stuff NZ
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/homed/latest/116327323/why-are-property-prices-in-some-suburbs-stagnating#comments
    
    … extracts …
    
    … He said massive post-quake developments in the likes of Rolleston may have stolen the thunder from suburbs like Hei Hei, as people now only needed to drive a further 10 minutes to pick up a cheap house and land Data from Christchurch City Council showed that at June 2018, the Christchurch median house sale price was $443,500. The national median was $560,000.package. …
    
    … A large amount of new housing in Christchurch has also contributed to the levelling off in the city’s median house price. …
    
    … concluding …
    
    … Suburbs with the lowest median price changes over the past five years were Netherby in the Ashburton district where prices had fallen 2.5 per cent, Riccarton in Christchurch where prices had fallen 2.2 per cent, Hillmorton in Christchurch where prices had fallen 1.4 per cent and Addington in Christchurch where prices had fallen 0.5 per cent.
    
    Hei Hei in Christchurch had seen a 0.1 per cent median price rise while Redwood in Christchurch had a similar 0.3 per cent median price rise.
    
    Northwood in Christchurch had a 1.1 per cent media price rise, Wigram in Christchurch had a 1.2 per cent median price rise and Darfield in the Canterbury region had a 2.4 per cent median price rise.
    
    Rolleston, just outside of Christchurch, had seen a 2.8 per cent median price rise over the past five years.
    
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    October 15, 2019 6:01pm
DJ Ward

I did a comment on Warren lying about being fired for being pregnant on the Standard.

I’m locked now out so cant back up the denigrating replies with the facts.

The deluded remain deluded that Warren is a feminist superhero. Sigh!
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October 15, 2019 1:06pm
Maggie Pie

Just back home from taking my partners mum shopping. She was saying she got some good financial news this morning from World Vision. It looks like she’ll no longer have to send thirty bucks a month to that African kid.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EG3tbyCWoAANdF3?format=jpg&name=small
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October 15, 2019 1:50pm
- stephieboy
  
  Sicko! Get help!
  
  https://www.healthpoint.co.nz/public/mental-health-specialty/mason-clinic-regional-forensic-psychiatry/
  
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  October 15, 2019 3:48pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    I was just speaking to Ma. She was saying at least there’s something positive come out of the tragedy. The poor kid wont need to walk the 30k’s every day to and from school.
    
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    October 15, 2019 6:56pm
    - chaos
      
      Maggie, why was she wasting money sponsoring a child that went to school, the kid should of been working in the mines
      
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      October 15, 2019 7:37pm
    - Tall Man
      
      I wonder if steffy has a “real knowledge” of the clinic…………..
      
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      October 15, 2019 8:19pm
- chaos
  
  Oh Maggie I’m so sorry, it appears my monthly sponsor got hungry and ate the sponsor of your partner’s mother. We were trying to train it to just eat goats
  
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  October 15, 2019 6:21pm
plc

Oh the hypocrisy is strong in this one…..

“Tiki Taane slams social media post that ‘normalises rape culture'”
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October 15, 2019 2:06pm
- chaos
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/spy/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503840&objectid=12276634
  
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  October 15, 2019 3:21pm
- Colville
  
  Silence is golden.
  Duct tape is silver.
  
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  October 15, 2019 5:36pm
Wired-one

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/world/116590714/nobel-prize-for-economics-won-for-poverty-research-by-three-economists

Interesting read into what really works.
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October 15, 2019 2:14pm
The King

Legal immigrant steals 180,000 off a Te Aroha charitable hospital funnels money back to her family in the Philippines…

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/116582042/te-aroha-woman-steals-179000-of-small-town-charitable-hospital-money-to-gift-to-family

You see, these people have no love for this country.
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October 15, 2019 2:29pm
- Jack5
  
  Sentence of nine months home detention, with no mention of being deported.
  
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  October 15, 2019 8:04pm
- Tall Man
  
  This one didn’t but many do.
  
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  October 15, 2019 8:17pm
RW Capitalist

Answer to Gretta?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7W33HRc1A6c
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October 15, 2019 2:39pm
- ex-golfer
  
  This is an even better answer:
  https://twitter.com/ToddOak83/status/1182833563642687488?s=20
  
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  October 15, 2019 8:48pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Mallard playing tuff

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/401028/national-leader-s-questions-slashed-by-speaker-over-attack-ads

https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/combined/HansDeb_20191015_20191015_04
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October 15, 2019 3:06pm
- sooty
  
  National really do need to ruffle his feathers!
  
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  October 15, 2019 3:15pm
- chaos
  
  If I was national my reply would be to put another video up
  
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  October 15, 2019 3:19pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  The concept of “freedom of speech” has always been a mystery to Labour.
  But here Mallard is just trying to protect them from storm thats coming.
  Next poll
  Nats …49%
  ACT…2%
  Labour… 38%
  Greens….5%
  NZF…4%
  
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  October 15, 2019 3:25pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Get hold of JAG’s letter, it could be worse for the Greens.
    
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    October 15, 2019 3:31pm
  - stephieboy
    
    What animal entrails do you use to foretell the future?
    
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    October 15, 2019 3:46pm
  - alex Masterley
    
    On these numbers the Duck gets sent off to retirement…
    
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    October 15, 2019 3:56pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Agree RWC, and wouldn’t it be wonderful if election day produced the following:
    Nats …….52%
    ACT ………3%
    Labour ….35%
    Greens …..4%
    NZF ……….4%
    
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    October 15, 2019 4:46pm
    - stephieboy
      
      CM, keep the fantasies whirling!
      
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      October 15, 2019 8:13pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    The lastest poll only saw a 1% move left to right, mostly lefties getting pissed off with rapey/useless Labour and going to greens or NZF. Be a long slow process to migrate support to National, probably need a serious downturn (people vote with their wallets).
    
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    October 15, 2019 4:57pm
- Tall Man
  
  To be honest, it won’t make a difference as labour can’t answer them anyway.
  
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  October 15, 2019 3:35pm
  - chaos
    
    More to the point the speaker won’t make labour answer them
    
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    October 15, 2019 3:42pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Tough as an old duck. But is Mallard constitutionally correct interfering with HM’s Loyal Opposition in the Parliament of NZ?
  A motion of No Confidence in Mallard as Speaker should be considered.
  
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  October 15, 2019 3:35pm
  - chaos
    
    A motion of no confidence would achieve nothing, national don’t have the numbers, just like the motion of no confidence against speaker carter achieved nothing.
    
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    October 15, 2019 3:41pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Numbers are irrelevant–the motion itself is significant. It really would put Mallard on the spot.
      
      Another strategy is to walk out of Parliament for a time when the govt badly wants to do business.
      
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      October 15, 2019 5:46pm
      - chaos
        
        No, it’s not significant, I bet without googling no one remembers the motion against carter. Right let’s walk out of parliament and give the government free rein to do what ever they want without the opposition there to vote against it or debate it.
        
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        October 15, 2019 6:18pm
chaos

Ah well, I hope this is an adult movie and not a kids one. Just leave the classics alone

* Billy Porter Will Play Cinderella’s Fairy Godmother in New Adaptation*

https://www.advocate.com/film/2019/10/10/billy-porter-reportedly-talks-play-cinderellas-fairy-godmother?
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October 15, 2019 3:23pm
- The King
  
  All the left do is corrupt and destroy everything.
  
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  October 15, 2019 5:47pm
  - sooty
    
    Does he look like Aunty Helen?
    
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    October 15, 2019 8:06pm
chaos

A sensible decision, now if only townies who move to rural areas understand the areas they are moving to and people that move near a sports ground, stadium etc accept where they move to

* Defence Minister Ron Mark has over written an Environment Court decision on noise restrictions for aircraft engine testing at Whenuapai Airbase, and advised anyone moving into the area to accept military aircraft noise.*

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/116574054/defence-minister-trumps-environment-court-decision-on-whenuapai-airbase-engine-noise
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October 15, 2019 3:30pm
Captain Mainwaring

Judith looked and sounded terrible in the house today. Either she’s suffering the effects of the reversal in the polls against Simon or she has a serious throat infection.
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October 15, 2019 4:49pm
kowtow

If you want to see where hate speech laws / abuse of state power will go here in NZ look no further than that former home of freedom the UK .

‘A police force has been accused of “incredible irresponsibility” for treating the display of transphobic stickers around Oxford as a “serious crime”.

Some of the stickers, which have been dotted around the city centre, state: “Woman: noun. Adult human female” and “Women don’t have penises”.’

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/10/14/police-response-transphobic-stickers-branded-extraordinary/
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October 15, 2019 5:32pm
Happychappy

Winston make Jacinda look weak by pushing what the CTU were promised by Labour to next term.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/headlines.cfm?c_id=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjwuZDtBRDvARIsAPXFx3D5n_FYA5BbsBkov8En0iQlLaGXXqAbD12PzT9I-lmaZq07tQqDLB4aAuKxEALw_wcB
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October 15, 2019 7:12pm
- chaos
  
  Try this link
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=12276763
  
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  October 15, 2019 7:35pm
chaos

This isn’t bloody good enough, the rebuild should start now

* A tiny South Canterbury school is operating in a building “beyond repair” with “asbestos issues”, but a $1.25 million rebuild could be another year away.

Aoraki/Mt Cook School principal Sandra Rolls, who oversees the school with 12 pupils aged 5-13, said the school building was simply not fit for purpose.

“It doesn’t have proper insulation, it has asbestos issues and is beyond repair.

“It’s over 40 years old, it was never meant to last this long,” Rolls said.*

https://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald/news/116583257/asbestos-structural-issues-at-aorakimt-cook-school
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October 15, 2019 7:41pm
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For a laugh have a look at this:
https://twitter.com/ToddOak83/status/1182833563642687488?s=20
Make sure you are not drinking anything at the time – you might spit it out in involuntary laughter.
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October 15, 2019 8:44pm
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And people still maintain the earth is heating up….

https://electroverse.net/jamestown-nd-digs-out-from-record-breaking-snowfall/
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