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RW Capitalist

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/shows/2019/10/poll-who-do-you-think-will-be-prime-minister-after-the-next-election.html
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Vote now!!!
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October 14, 2019 8:01am
- cmm
  
  And more glitter is going to fall off after the next 12 months…
  
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  October 14, 2019 8:22am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Can you reapply glitter?
    
    (asking for a worried neighbour)
    
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    October 14, 2019 8:25am
    - Charmaine Hawke
      
      9.08 am
      
      Jacinda 33%
      Simon 51%
      Grant 0%
      Judith 16%
      
      Grant Robertson 0% HAHAHAHAHAHAHA all your white anting is for naught son.
      
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      October 14, 2019 9:05am
      - softail 1450
        
        C H , How dare you ,thats homophobic everybody knows Grant didn’t get any vote because he’s a brown hatter not because he’s totally useless LOL.
        
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        October 14, 2019 1:33pm
    - stigie
      
      “How dare you” will be taxed before the next election..?
      
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      October 14, 2019 9:50am
    - Tall Man
      
      I think they can stick it back on with bullshit so I suppose the answer is yes.
      
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      October 14, 2019 10:06am
    - Littletramp
      
      It’s a simple procedure, similar to reapplying lipstick.
      
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      October 14, 2019 10:25am
    - Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes
      
      Glitter always tends to stick to a turd, so I would expect frtuther attempts to reapply glitter to the turd, and lipstick to the pig.
      
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      October 14, 2019 11:48am
    - jonnycomelately
      
      Get married or have another baby.
      
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      October 14, 2019 12:49pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Not glitter, it’s iron pyrites (fool’s gold)
    
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    October 14, 2019 5:24pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  2/3 think it will be a National leader (Simon 50%, Judith 16%)
  Is the trend happening/starting now.
  
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  October 14, 2019 8:48am
- Bell-47
  
  As of 9am, 51% say Bridges….oh dear, the stardust is well and truly more dust than star.
  
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  October 14, 2019 9:15am
- oldpark
  
  @RW Capitalist
  Wonder was the recent Newshub Poll a lot of fake news. Especially it has now been admitted and revealed that the poll was taken in July . The poll being released Three Months Later. WTF.
  
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  October 14, 2019 9:47am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Hoping for a better result, it only got worse.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAdTsAKvVTU
    
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    October 14, 2019 10:16am
  - alloytoo
    
    Where was this admitted? if true then it suggests the start of a trend which could only have been accelerated by more recent events.
    
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    October 14, 2019 10:27am
  - Ruawai
    
    It says at the bottom of the Newshub article that the poll was between 2-9 Oct
    
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    October 14, 2019 11:16am
- Fletch
  
  Did you see the quote from Elton John yesterday in the news? He said that if he could be any woman alive at the moment, he’d be Jacinda….
  
  Model-actor Cara Delevingne asked, “If you could be one woman alive and one woman from the past, who would you be?”
  
  John answered: “It’s hard to pick someone from today, because there are so many candidates, but I think I’d choose Jacinda Ardern, the prime minister of New Zealand. She’s one of the few politicians that I respect and love – she’s got dignity and she’s humane. I think she’s doing a brilliant job.”
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/celebrities/116538423/sir-elton-picks-jacinda-ardern-as-the-modern-woman-hed-like-to-be
  
  I wonder which man he’d choose to be…
  
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  October 14, 2019 10:58am
  - kloyd0306
    
    As is often suggested to similarly leftist Barbra Streisand, “Elton, just shut up and sing.”
    
    Or go into politics and put your money where your mouth is.
    
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    October 14, 2019 1:28pm
Maggie Pie

What is happening in europe is happening in NZ.
AGREE…. or DISAGREE ?

https://twitter.com/NZHeadliner/status/1183158507861790720
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October 14, 2019 8:03am
- The King
  
  Who could be behind this? lets have a look..
  
  *pulls curtain notices a gentleman with a large nose rubbing hands.
  
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  October 14, 2019 10:14am
Luke Piewalker

Can anyone name one government department that hasn’t turned to shit?

Yes Cindy. This is all your fault.
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October 14, 2019 8:05am
- RW Capitalist
  
  More regulation
  I received this, I have left out any reference to avoid backlash.
  “Please seek to action this requirement as soon as practicable to minimise the risk of a breach of accreditation occurring.
  The requirement for ************* (me to spend money) is to be complied with by 1 November 2019.
  This from a govt, department, sound like a threat to you?
  
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  October 14, 2019 8:24am
  - Tall Man
    
    ***************************
    
    “Join the labour party”….. Job sorted.
    
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    October 14, 2019 10:10am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      Isn’t that the way it went for Oscar Schindler?
      About 80 years ago?
      
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      October 14, 2019 10:17am
- chaos
  
  Is the department of pie eaters a government department?
  
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  October 14, 2019 9:04am
  - sooty
    
    Does the goverment supply lawnmowers?
    
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    October 14, 2019 10:00am
    - chaos
      
      Some former mps would say yes
      
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      October 14, 2019 11:07am
RW Capitalist

From “The Standard”
Newshub: poll shows Labour/Green could govern alone
Surely if you have a partner, it is not governing ALONE, is Newhub stupid?
Is the standard more stupid for repeating it?
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October 14, 2019 8:07am
- Swifty
  
  Spin.
  
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  October 14, 2019 8:29am
Lee C

Just in from The Standard:
“Not only do we have the delight of Ardern being good at her job, widely admired for it, and the potential of a Labour/Green government even with Labour taking a dip in a poll, there were some bloody fantastic left wing and progressive results in the local body elections announced on the weekend. Here’s hoping the other media can give us some useful analysis this week..”

Discuss.
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October 14, 2019 8:07am
- igm
  
  What a bunch of scum that Standard mob are . . . would hate to have one as a neighbour . . . fortunately that is highly unlikely.
  
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  October 14, 2019 8:11am
  - pdm
    
    Those academics over at the standard do not live among the lower echelons of society igm.
    
    Best you check your neighbourhood for infiltrators.
    
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    October 14, 2019 9:00am
  - stephieboy
    
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    igm, is your property and neighbourhood sited over a stagnant swamp?
    
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    October 14, 2019 9:46am
    - igm
      
      Actually have a number of properties, but none near, at this time, state supplied hovels.
      
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      October 14, 2019 10:17am
- srylands
  
  Many of the people who comment there are mentally ill. I can’t think of another explanation.
  
  Example. For nine years, The Standard screamed about housing. After the last two years, things are getting worse in most centres, Wellington being the best example. And Kiwibuild has been unsuccessful. Being polite. What do we hear from them now? Silence.
  
  The authors and commentators at The Standard repulse me. Strong words, but accurate.
  
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  October 14, 2019 8:20am
- brett68
  
  More deluded ramblings from weka the green party fascist.
  I see she’s come back to finish off the Standard for good.
  
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  October 14, 2019 8:23am
  - Im Right
    
    Agreed Brett, Weka was also espousing that her threads/posts be ‘right wing’ comment free! In other words the few individuals that are not lefty diehards should be banned from commenting on her posts…spoken like a true green supporter!
    She will bring down TS as a moderator just as Nigel did with Whaleoil….let her and her rabid feminism be, the far left always eats itself eventually ?
    
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    October 14, 2019 9:15am
    - hookerphil
      
      Nigel appears to have disappeared from W/O – BFD, perhaps all those drink fuelled night posts took their toll.
      
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      October 14, 2019 10:40am
      - Poppa
        
        Wow he was a stalwart!
        
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        October 14, 2019 3:06pm
    - brett68
      
      Yep, she sulked off a while ago when they refused to ban some of the male authors and turn the standard into some hardcore lesbian/feminist centric blog site.
      
      From what I’ve noticed the one’s she wanted banned have moved on anyway so she’s probably back to have another go.
      
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      October 14, 2019 11:37am
  - Tall Man
    
    Don’t look Ethel……
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtzoUu7w-YM
    
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    October 14, 2019 10:15am
- RW Capitalist
  
  WOW Blind and stupid The Standard never cease to amaze me.
  May they continue to fool themselves, that can only help with their demise.
  
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  October 14, 2019 8:27am
- chaos
  
  Here is the thing. On election night two things happen. The greens always drop in percentage from what they were polling, so under the current and previous polls greens would be out. No first typically always gain in percentage, so they could remain in. But under the current polling greens will not make it back to government as they will drop a few percentage on election night.
  
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  October 14, 2019 9:06am
  - harvey wilson
    
    If you’re ever having a bad day just reading the standard and knowing you’re not as pitiful and the people there should lift your spirits.
    
    Muttonbird logged onto the rugby forum he’s been banned from three times now, got busted and it looks like he’ been banned for a fourth time. What a pathetic individual.
    
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    October 14, 2019 9:37am
  - artemisia
    
    In 2020 the reeferendum will boost the Greens vote.
    
    In the Wellington local government elections some young, earnest and inexperienced people were elected. This indicates some success in getting out the youth vote. Chances of them voting in 2020 have to be good, and there is also the tranche of new teen and teen adjacent voters, a group well known to be influenced by the peer group.
    
    If Labour’s base holds then we have a good chance of a Labour Green government. Imagine Greens being kingmaker.
    
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    October 14, 2019 9:56am
    - chaos
      
      Na it won’t, the latest Polling they did on cannabis shows support falling for it, even in green and labour voters.
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12258491
      
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      October 14, 2019 10:36am
    - lofty
      
      “In 2020 the reeferendum will boost the Greens vote”
      
      I see what you did there.
      
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      October 14, 2019 12:56pm
rjay

AM poll has Bridges as the next PM ahead of Ardern
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October 14, 2019 8:09am
Happychappy

Any casualties from Labour or the Prime Ministers office after the dismal poll results last evening. Someone will have to pay for this result as nothing is ever the PM”s fault it’s either the last Government or rogue polls when Labour hit the headlines over results like this.
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October 14, 2019 8:11am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  c’mon Happychappy
  
  They have to convene a working party, hire a QC, hold an investigation, make up policy, and hold a reinvestigation before they can give anyone the shove… besides it was the weekend/holidays…
  
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  October 14, 2019 9:03am
  - Rich Prick
    
    Then have a reset when they realise they have fucked it all up.
    
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    October 14, 2019 9:07am
  - chaos
    
    Isn’t Jacinda on a permanent holiday?
    
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    October 14, 2019 9:16am
  - Happychappy
    
    Well even the Herad must have thought this story on Jacinda from David McCormack wasn’t true and did not need to be in pay wave so we all get to read how great the PM is from obviously her leading fan.
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12276204
    It will make you laugh it is it’s the that is getting the blame because of all the shit jobs her Ministers have and she is carring the can for those fuckups, nothing about how immature and ought of her depth she is.
    
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    October 14, 2019 10:16am
  - Tall Man
    
    And then blame National.
    
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    October 14, 2019 10:17am
- chaos
  
  Well the usual trolls haven’t gotten out of bed yet so hard to tell if they have realised their trolls are shit and replaced them yet, but you’d never know because at least one troll account has multiple Personalities.
  
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  October 14, 2019 9:07am
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All USA troops leaving Syria!

Goodby Kurd “allies”, LOL.

Finally Drumpf made good on 1 promise.

Of course lots of USA troops piling into Saudi Arabia now. Apparently that shinning beacon of ME freedom and democracy is under grave threat of being invaded by malnourished Yemeni child terrorists or something.
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October 14, 2019 8:12am
- Inandout
  
  ad, wahhh, the US has stopped being the world policeman, wahhh.
  
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  October 14, 2019 9:09am
  - G152
    
    Why doesn’t the EU flux its muscles being as all this crap is happening next to Europe ???
    
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    October 14, 2019 9:47am
    - sooty
      
      Can’t afford to send their troops outside the border, just in case!
      
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      October 14, 2019 10:05am
  - Wangas Feral
    
    wahhh, the US has stopped being the world policeman, wahhh.
    
    Also the left “Wahhh, the US has to stop being the world policeman, waahhhh”
    
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    October 14, 2019 10:10am
    - igm
      
      You are so correct. US is damned if they do, damned if they don’t.
      Why should they protect anyone in the ME, they being avid supporters of Hitler, and of late, haters of US (9/11)./
      
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      October 14, 2019 10:49am
- Ed Snack
  
  Worth noting that I was able to find stories about the USA “abandoning the Kurds” dating from the early 1990’s through to the mid 2010’s. It appears that every administration since the first Bush has “abandoned” the Kurds. That is since the first Gulf war pushed Iraq out of Kuwait.
  
  I think the current administration thinking is that they have zero chance of establishing a full Kurdish state in the region beyond the de facto semi-independent Kurdish area in Iraq, so the ultimate solution has to be some sort of rapprochement between the Kurds in Syria and the Assad government. Also that will work to keep Turkey out of Syrian territory which is no doubt something that Syria is keen to do.
  
  I’m not convinced that there’s any other rational solution long term – I don’t see a permanent US presence in the area trying to carve out a “Syrian Kurdisan” as a good idea. The Obama/Clinton idea of trying to impose “regime change” on Syria has very clearly failed, time to recognize that, acknowledge the Assad government, and work to maintain the freedoms that Assad has been forced to allow to get support internally.
  
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  October 14, 2019 10:01am
  - TripeWryter
    
    I think you might find that the Kurds have been ‘abandoned’ for hundreds of years.
    
    They’ve been the kicking-ball boys and girls of the Turks, the Persians and Iranians, the Syrians, and the Iraqis for a long time.
    
    They’ve been used and abused by the French, the British, and the Americans. Probably the Russians, too.
    
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    October 14, 2019 10:47am
  - Paulus
    
    Watch Russia’s role in all this – remember they have both a Mediterranean Port and Air Base in Northern Syria and are active on behalf of Assad – at the moment when it suits them.
    
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    October 14, 2019 1:32pm
  - KH
    
    Remember the history and don’t fall for the spin out of Washington that the Kurds were necessary to fight ISIS.
    ISIS came late on the scene, only blossoming from about 2014. They were a result of the US intevention.
    ISIS would not have been able to grow at all without outside interference into Syria by the US (Obama and Hillary), Turkey and others for many years before. Obama and co poured billions of dollars into Syria to destablise the Syrian Government. Hundreds of thousands have died and a new generation of Jihadis was enabled.
    The Syrian Government cleared out much of ISIS despite the US bombing them from time to time during that task.
    The US has always left more of a mess than they started with. They funded Bin Larden to fight Russians in Afganistan in the 1980s. Called him a freedom fighter. That did not end well.
    Trump campaigned to end the endless stupid wars. Good on him, I hope he gets it done despite all the warhawk opposition.
    
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    October 14, 2019 2:08pm
- Tall Man
  
  50 Special Forces…. That’s all that were left.
  
  Hardly an army wouldn’t you say?
  
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  October 14, 2019 10:18am
- Scott
  
  I must say I’m less and less inclined to think that the USA has done any good at all in the Middle East over the past decades. The invasion of Iraq just led to instability and the rise of Isis. The invasion of Afghanistan has just led to an endless war, almost 20 years now.
  What was the point of those millions of dollars and sacrifice of all those soldiers?
  
  So to be honest given the way the US fights wars it would be better to get out of the Middle East entirely. I can’t see much sense in sending more troops to Saudi Arabia? Given that country has billions of dollars of oil revenue and all the weaponry from the USA they can possibly want, couldn’t they just defend themselves?
  
  I think the USA should get out of the Middle East. They are a hopeless imperial power, they don’t govern those countries well, they just get hated by the radicals and they would be better off bringing all the troops home and leaving whoever it is to fight it out until the eventual peace when everyone becomes exhausted.
  
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  October 14, 2019 10:34am
  - kowtow
    
    You’re right of course but since forever the great powers have always felt the need to control and to prevent any other great power from controlling.It used to be access to India ( Fr V Br) or warm waterports ( Br V Ru ) , now it’s oil. But Russia still wants bases in the Med , thanks Mr Assad.
    
    The French tried in the late 1700/early 1800’s , but the Brits stopped em and became the power there , while the Turk declined . The Russians wanted in and that was another reason for the Brits to grip more closely,.
    
    After WW I the French and Brits shared it and during WW2 the Italians and Krauts wanted in . After WW2 the Soviets wanted in ( via Persia ) and through the 50’s the French and British declined while the US became the superpower and the Ruskies want back in.
    
    And to all that add the Sunni / Shia , secular /religious divide .
    
    The sooner we have our own power sources the better , we’ve lots of coal , why not use it.
    
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    October 14, 2019 12:29pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    What would the troops do, act as the home guard?
    
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    October 14, 2019 7:55pm
igm

Poor Scotland . . . are they going to take legal action over the result . . . which they deserved!
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October 14, 2019 8:12am
- G152
  
  They should have accepted the free pass.
  Threatening to sue if the game is cancelled has its own reward
  
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  October 14, 2019 9:01am
- SGA
  
  I made the mistake of deciding to catch the first 15-20 minutes before I went to bed… it became a very late night.
  
  Scotland cannot complain about the result.
  
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  October 14, 2019 9:14am
- Colville
  
  It was a great game , very hard fought. I am very pleased for Japan.
  
  Japan was lazy at the breakdown and the Scotland 7 had a field day… but the Scots backs don’t know how to play expansive rugby so didn’t get the points on offer.
  
  Japan ran right thru the backline again and again by just recycling quickly.
  
  Either team would have been hammered by NZ/SA/ENG.
  
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  October 14, 2019 9:36am
gravedodger

Not a bad weekend; McLachlan 1, Van Gisbergen 2, Canterbury shield, Tasman top Qualifier unbeaten, Shadbolt, Silver Ferns win, Big Bro 79, Japan top eight.
Pity about Scotland but Trump not impeached and making progress with the Chicoms, Boris survives, NZLP being tumbled along with the PTPM.

The Nobel peace prize actually to one who made some peace.

What is not to like
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October 14, 2019 8:13am
- Tarquin North
  
  You forgot to mention Northland beating Otago meaning we didn’t finish last.
  
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  October 14, 2019 8:33am
- Liberty
  
  Only a matter of time before Trump is impeached.
  Being removed from office before the next election is highly unlikely.
  
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  October 14, 2019 8:41am
  - G152
    
    Is that the libs 20 year plan?
    Because it sure isn’t working at the moment
    
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    October 14, 2019 9:48am
- MCos
  
  What is not to like?
  North Harbour lost.
  Typhoon in Japan
  Abandonment of the Kurds
  Low voter turnout
  Spark gets cricket
  
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  October 14, 2019 8:50am
  - Ed Snack
    
    As noted above, every administration since the US first got involved with “boots on the ground” has “abandoned” the Kurds.
    
    Maybe it’s time to have a rational rethink of the US strategy in the area and finally rethink the permanent war concept.
    
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    October 14, 2019 10:07am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      It’s Syria being invaded, not Minisota.
      Maybe the Syrian army could defend their Kurdish citizens?
      
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      October 14, 2019 10:21am
- Bell-47
  
  To be fair, McLachlan and V-Power had to cheat their way to victory. I watched pretty much the entire race, Gizz and Red Bull had a very good pit and fuel strategy putting Gizz ahead by 10 seconds only for it to be taken away by Coulthatrd in a deliberate attempt to close the time gap..”over heating problem” my ass. That story was cooked up for the next safety car. Spoiled the entire race for me. I hope the stewards rejig the results and teach Penskey et al a lesson in fair play.
  
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  October 14, 2019 9:24am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Oh bollocks Bell. Coulthart slowed up to avoid double-stacking in the pits for a refuel. But in doing so, he also helped SVG avoid being double-stacked behind Whincup.
    
    If Coulthard hadn’t slowed the field down when he did, SVG would not have started that final lap on McLaughlin’s bumper, and he probably wouldn’t have been on the podium.
    
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    October 14, 2019 9:34am
    - Bell-47
      
      V-Power knew SVG had the pit advantage even with a possible double stack. The point is we will never know how that played out because V-Power decided to dictate that with obvious cheating. I know it, you know it, the commentators and many others in the racing fraternity. I am neither Ford or Holden and a win by SVG or McLachlan (had it been fair) would have thrilled me, they are, after all, both brilliant Kiwi racing drivers.
      
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      October 14, 2019 9:50am
      - Ed Snack
        
        I agree and think that Coulthard’s action was quite deliberately intended to give his lead drive an advantage over SVG. A bit too blatant and could have led to both drivers getting a drive through.
        
        Felt a bit sorry for Nissan, sitting as high as 4th with only a few laps to go only to slide off and cause the final safety car interlude.
        
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        October 14, 2019 10:24am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        Heimgartner drove a superb race. The manner in which he speared off to the right to hit the wall at Forest Elbow suggested that it was a mechanical failure, and not driver error.
        
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        October 14, 2019 10:35am
    - herb1
      
      Not correct Tony. none of Coulthards or Storeys explanations make sense.
      Coulthard may have slowed to avoid double stacking , but that isn’t a legal option. you must maintain no more than a 5 length gap at any time.
      if he had mechanical problems as claimed , he’s required to pull over , however until the safety car he seemed to be going along perfectly .
      His claim to not know where the accident happened , so he was being cautious is bullshit , as his team have the same TV coverage as everyone else and besides , if he can’t drive 80kmhr down cConrod straight without worrying about a stranded car , how does he manage at 300km/hr.
      
      I raced Fabian in junior categories and have raced all around the world in various categories and I know the safety car rules.
      coulthard was out of order and SVG whom I also raced with , would not have been held up very long by Whincup and would still have retained some of the 10s advantage.
      As it turned out I doubt he would have beaten McLauchlan but the incident still leaves a sour taste and unfortunately will probably tarnish McLauchlans win
      
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      October 14, 2019 10:16am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        No question that Coulthard broke the rules herb, and he was correctly penalised with a drive-through. It sounds as though DJR-Team Penske is likely to face a fine as well.
        
        But I have little sympathy for Red Bull Racing, who have been involved in plenty of questionable stuff in the past themselves.
        
        As for McLaughlin, he is having a career-defining season, and I wouldn’t be at all surprised if he makes a trip to the US during the NASCAR off-season to test one of Penske’s Sprint Cup cars. I think he could potentially be a massive star in NASCAR; he’s far more personable than Marcos Ambrose, and his talent and temperament now cannot be questioned.
        
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        October 14, 2019 10:33am
      - Bell-47
        
        That was my point @herb1. It’s not about Ford or Holden and GT’s comments about Fabian’s conduct that he “helped them out of the double stacking” is a professional way to respond rather than the truth. I like a good close race and SVG was definitely on for a possible 1st. That nobody could see that play out, well we can thank team Penskey for that. I doubt it was Fabian’s call at all. In fact he is really then fall guy in all this. The water temp issue was all to convenient an excuse. I’m pretty sure that was a planned manoeuvre for plausible deniability. It was an atrocious display of bad sportsmanship from the V-Power team to keep Scott in the lead of the championship, effectively taking away the possible 300 points from SVG.
        
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        October 14, 2019 11:24am
      - Bell-47
        
        @Tony Stuart, easier for FC to take the penalty and pay the fine than take a chance on coming second. Am no fan of Red Bull racing and SVG in particular. Just a fan of the racing. For my part, I felt cheated out of what MAY have been a massive upset. That it’s kiwi’s at the front of V8SC racing, is enough for me to continue supporting it as a fan. McLachlan is a brilliant driver and streets ahead of many others. If I had a favourite it would be Dave Reynolds. I like to back the underdog.
        
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        October 14, 2019 11:32am
- Happychappy
  
  You left the best out ,Andy Foster Julie Anne Genter must be having nightmares with this about to hit the Government again . What’s interesting is that he seems to have all the other Mayors that were elected in the Wellington District on side to have the Government reset the negotiations on the Transport plan.
  
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  October 14, 2019 9:27am
- rangitoto
  
  Valtteri Bottas winning the Japanese Grand Prix was the highlight for me.
  
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  October 14, 2019 10:20am
- Humble Capitalist
  
  You forgot Lester being ousted
  
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  October 14, 2019 11:19am
MrTips

Anybody in the know, this is not news. Our construction industry are shit and charlatans. Absolutely appalling.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12276189
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October 14, 2019 8:16am
- kowtow
  
  “Some key structural elements are not going in correctly or they’re not going in at all, and of course, once they’re covered up with concrete, we – any of us – don’t know what’s actually gone into the building.”
  
  Sounds like a corrupt practice.
  
  And a cover up.
  
  ‘The investigators were aware of legal action being taken, but in each case they knew of, it had been settled out of court – keeping the problems out of the public eye.’
  
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  October 14, 2019 9:06am
- Inandout
  
  A decorator who finishes off new houses built by well known builders told me he has never in his career used so much gap filler on shoddy interior ‘workmanship’. Of course house buyers seem to be kept off new build sites, the contractors citing safety laws. I am so glad I live in an older house built to a standard, not to a price. As far as commercial structures go they are built using the cheapest materials available so they keep within the contract price.
  
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  October 14, 2019 9:22am
- RW Capitalist
  
  and the building inspectors allowed this?
  
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  October 14, 2019 9:35am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The husband was on most large building sites around Wellington from 1990s to 2014.
  He’s suspicious of this story.
  
  Anyone can see all the framework/ main structural-members going up.
  
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  October 14, 2019 9:36am
  - Tall Man
    
    Maggy, we had a building being EQ strengthened and when they dug out the foundations on one side they found there was no steel at all and the nib was not built to the plan so virtually no footing on one complete wall.
    
    It does happen.
    
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    October 14, 2019 10:24am
    - Raphael
      
      I heard a story a while ago from a building inspector in Auckland (and a quick google search beings back too many results to go through)
      
      He inspected a building site to make sure the steel framing was all correct before the concrete pour. And yes, all was good. Pass mark. Approval given to pour the concrete.
      
      The Inspector left the site but then realised that he had left his iPad on site so went back. When he arrived back on site he found that all the steel framing had been removed from the foundations to be sent to the next location for that inspection.
      
      He immediately changed their pass mark to a fail
      
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      October 14, 2019 11:03am
      - Swifty
        
        Go to jail, go directly to jail…..
        
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        October 14, 2019 11:47am
  - Soffet
    
    I’ve got mates at a large surveying firm who won’t go into some buildings in Wellington due to the shoddy workmanship and rework required.
    
    This story absolutely is accurate and kudos to Jane/Mike in bringing it out as they will be aware that this may result in reduced business.
    
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    October 14, 2019 12:59pm
Simon

Xi is murdering Hong Kong protesters. PLA sent in disguised as Hong Kong police are suiciding protesters.

The neo lib claim that increased trade with a undemocratic country will lead to a increased freedom for that country is clearly false.

All those in media, academic, political and business should stop sucking CCP cock about now. Anyone associated with CCP will be tainted.
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October 14, 2019 8:19am
- kowtow
  
  ‘Xi is murdering Hong Kong protesters. PLA sent in disguised as Hong Kong police are suiciding protesters.’
  
  A small matter of proof might help your claim …..
  
  Meanwhile Ted Cruz can’t see the violence . Even Blind Freddy could do better than that.
  
  ‘The government on Sunday broke its silence on Chief Executive Carrie Lam’s cancelled meeting with visiting US senator Ted Cruz, saying Lam called off the Saturday meeting due to other ‘public duties’, while suggesting that Cruz was lying when he told reporters he hasn’t seen any violence from anti-government demonstrators.’
  
  https://news.rthk.hk/rthk/en/component/k2/1485934-20191013.htm?spTabChangeable=0
  
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  October 14, 2019 8:37am
- Maggie Pie
  
  The thing that amazes me about Hong Kong is that nobody ever looks up …
  
  https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGqwwD-WkAAsZ4O?format=jpg&name=900×900
  
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  October 14, 2019 8:58am
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    That’s the approach to the OLD Kai Tak airoport
    
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    October 14, 2019 10:06am
    - kowtow
      
      Once upon a time they had Pan Am Clippers that landed in the harbour .
      
      https://gwulo.com/node/1821/photos
      
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      October 14, 2019 1:56pm
  - Kiwi Dave
    
    This looks like a photo from when the old Kai Tak airport operated. Buildings under the flight path were limited to four storeys.
    
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    October 14, 2019 10:18am
    - Paulus
      
      Not from what I remember – there were many buildings much higher that four storeys.
      
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      October 14, 2019 1:37pm
  - Tall Man
    
    It was “interesting” on the way in sometimes… You could wave to people at their desks on one side of the plane.
    
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    October 14, 2019 10:28am
JibberJabber

Thomas Sowell

The fundamental problem of the political Left seems to be that the real world does not fit their preconceptions. Therefore they see the real world as what is wrong, and what needs to be changed, since apparently their preconceptions cannot be wrong.
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October 14, 2019 8:21am
- Albert_Ross
  
  Well, but isn’t it true of everybody that they would like the world to be better in some way? One might wish for less litter, less ignorance, more freedom, more kakapo etc.
  
  Certainly we may disagree on what needs improvement, and even if we agree on that we may disagree on how that improvement can and/or should be brought about. But surely there aren’t very many people who think that everything in the world is exactly as they’d like it to be.
  
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  October 14, 2019 8:38am
  - SGA
    
    Likewise. Much of politics and religion is about advocating change to fix what the group sees as “wrong” with the real world, isn’t it? Perhaps the quote lost something when taken out of context.
    
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    October 14, 2019 10:32am
- Simon
  
  Here is a much better real world quote.
  
  US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo on Tuesday announced visa restrictions on Chinese officials accused of being involved in the mass internment of Uyghurs, Kazakhs and other minorities. The US commerce department also banned US companies from selling technology to bodies involved in surveillance in Xinjiang.
  
  “China has forcibly detained over one million Muslims in a brutal, systematic campaign to erase religion and culture in Xinjiang. China must end its draconian surveillance and repression, release all those arbitrarily detained, and cease its coercion of Chinese Muslims abroad,” Pompeo said in a statement.
  
  New Zealanders need to stop smearing themselves with CCP shit. Now would be good. Comrades the tide is fast turning.
  
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  October 14, 2019 8:52am
  - kowtow
    
    Oh come on Simon , Trump got in partly on an anti Islam ticket. Now Pompeo is playing the Muslim card to beat the Chinese with.
    If you believe that politicians really believe the words coming out of their mouths then I have some real estste in the everglades to sell you.
    
    Oh, how’s that ” We ‘ve got your backs ” thingey going for the Kurds ?
    
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    October 14, 2019 9:53am
Maggie Pie

My partner was saying he’s always wondered what Victoria’s Secret was –
turns out she’s got a cock 🙂

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-50011279
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October 14, 2019 8:22am
Yvette

Maria Dew QC, investigating the Labour sex assault complaints, was expected to report directly to Ardern in three weeks [– last Monday] https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12268112

So, the Dew review is now a week over-due.
Perhaps “it is a little complex” – like housing the homeless, deciding on new categories to rate poverty, and wondering what to do with Ihumatoa.

Actually after a month investigation, as it now has been, shouldn’t the person looking at this be able to confirm or not that a serious sexual assault occurred and should be investigated by the proper agency – the Police?

To use the Prime Minister’s reported information even – that she became aware of the detailed reported by the Spinoff website, came to light – it was September 9.

“In the last 48 hours I have read incredibly distressing reports of an alleged sexual assault involving members of the Labour Party,” Ardern said on Wednesday. The party was never equipped to appropriately deal with the issue.”
• So then she engaged Maria Dew QC, to investigate, rather than report a suspected sexual crime to the proper authorities.
• Is it acting against her own logic, that is starting to undermine confidence in Ardern’s performance?
• When Dew’s report is made, will Ardern then report the suspected sexual crime to the Police?
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October 14, 2019 8:32am
- sooty
  
  Not on your nellie will Cindy send it to the Police, because she hired the rapeist!
  
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  October 14, 2019 10:12am
  - Tall Man
    
    And protected him…. after all, he only wanted a hug!
    
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    October 14, 2019 10:29am
Nigel Kearney

Congratulations Andy Foster. Now can we have the fireworks display on Guy Fawkes day again please?

If Wellington can get rid of their left wing mayor despite all the bureaucrats, other cities can do the same. But Auckland will need to ditch the ‘Super City’ first. Make Manukau and West Auckland go back to paying for their own stuff instead of reaching into your pockets all the time.
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October 14, 2019 8:36am
- kowtow
  
  What about Daft Dunners ?
  The outgoing “progressive” mayor publicly endorsed hawkins and Geary as his preferred successor . There was also a campaign against the front runner Lee Vandervis perhaps scuppering his chances.
  
  https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/dcc/vandervis-blames-ugly-personal-attacks-loss
  
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  October 14, 2019 9:01am
  - Inandout
    
    kowtow, Dunedin was dosed with refugees, was it not, a few hundy I believe. Those from ME shit holes are sooo green.
    
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    October 14, 2019 10:28am
    - kowtow
      
      No it was stupid second preference votes ,that got the Green across .
      
      Vandervis was the highest polling for council this time and last.
      
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      October 14, 2019 12:45pm
    - sooty
      
      Heard something about David Benson Pope been the deputy mayor!
      
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      October 14, 2019 12:51pm
- Allyson
  
  Manukau was the most fiscally responsible council to join the Supercity. Waitakere was the least responsible. My reasoning based on debt levels absorbed by Supercity.
  
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  October 14, 2019 9:26am
- MCos
  
  If you want fireworks you don’t need a new mayor; you need Kim Dotcom.
  BTW
  The Auckland ‘Super City’ was an ACT cost cutting initiative nine years ago wasn’t it?
  I live in Manukau City. My rates went up 20% a couple of years ago. Who’s paying for who’s stuff such as the Americas Cup base, Britomart extension?
  
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  October 14, 2019 9:37am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    The Northshore, like everything else and, when the second harbour crossing is finally built in 2050, it will be tolled! I will be dead and not give a shit, so there!
    
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    October 14, 2019 5:10pm
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Basically we were all totally shafted by this ‘supercity’. Local boards have no say in how our rates are spent, and there are far too many expensive frivolities.
    
    I just want the Council to look after the essentials, keep parks and beaches tidy and then get the heck out of my pocket!
    
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    October 14, 2019 7:01pm
Yvette

Winston selected Ardern as Prime Minister
Winston arranged for himself to be Deputy Prime Minister

Why in the latest Newshub-Reid Research poll is there (far as I can see) no rating for Winston as Preferred Prime Minister.

Do they not offer his name as a possibility, or if they ask without suggesting names, does it mean no one volunteers his name?
Where the hell is Winston?
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October 14, 2019 8:44am
- chaos
  
  Usually peters is in the poll, he must of fallen off the poll now.
  
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  October 14, 2019 9:32am
- MCos
  
  What I don’t understand with these polls is that the party preference adds up to 100% without any don’t knows, whereas the preferred PM is barely 50%.
  BTW
  When Helen Clark was Leader of the Opposition early on her preferred PM rating was about 2%. At the same time Labour was at about 20% or less and behind Jim Anderton and maybe Winston.
  
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  October 14, 2019 9:58am
  - sooty
    
    Winestone is busy working out his retirement package!
    
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    October 14, 2019 10:14am
chaos

* Kiwibuild flop, Labour sex scandal, oh dear why did everyone who should have known something suddenly know nothing in the era of Me Too?

She navigated the Christchurch mass killings well, let’s give her that.

She made her call that she rode high on the Christchurch call.

She rode high internationally looking for friends, the French said “oui, oui that is us,” but the biggest name stayed home.

Trendy cool cats from Silicon Valley flew in to back her call; forgetting aviation is a major cause of climate change.

Again she flew to New York but in New Brighton no one cared nor did they in New Plymouth. People in New Windsor were sceptical as were people in New Lynn……

People had talked about Jacindamania but most couldn’t really see it.

It’s gone up in smoke in just two years.*

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/10/duncan-garner-labour-government-is-big-on-talk-with-little-to-show-for-it.html
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October 14, 2019 9:13am
- Tall Man
  
  “She navigated the Christchurch mass killings well, let’s give her that.”
  
  Why would you “give” her that.
  
  Please explain what she did that any other leader anywhere in the world would not have done… Oh yeah, the hijab thingy.
  
  She “exploited” the photo ops as much as she could and even invented one for her UN speech.
  
  I saw nothing but “Me Me Me”… not “me too”.
  
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  October 14, 2019 10:33am
  - chaos
    
    I wonder why the media give her any credit for what happened in Christchurch instead of asking about the gun laws she changed months before it.
    
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    October 14, 2019 11:02am
  - Lizziep
    
    Thank you Tall Man. Exactly right. I cannot understand anyone thinking what she did was so amazing. It was like a school girl not knowing what on earth to do. How she thought wearing clothing from another culture was going to help I have no idea.
    
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    October 14, 2019 3:59pm
- Straight arrow
  
  Morrison was more impressive, to me, than Ardern, after Christchurch.
  Yes, she did her job, but I agree with Tall Man.
  
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  October 14, 2019 11:19am
Maggy Wassilieff

Bribery usually works…

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/10/labour-might-offer-tax-cuts-if-the-polls-are-tight-newshub-political-editor-tova-o-brien.html
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October 14, 2019 9:14am
- chaos
  
  Problem is even with their bribe National can cut back on a lot of the wasteful spending this govt is doing and achieve more.
  
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  October 14, 2019 9:17am
- KevO'Brien
  
  How would any more spending? The write back of depreciation on the trainset provides no cash–more borrowing ahead, if we let them continue?
  
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  October 14, 2019 9:19am
- yossarian
  
  The same tax cuts Bill had in line for us?
  
  I can’t see them giving tax cuts, Socialists always believe that they know how to spend your money than you do. I see a 2nd year university bribe on the cards. Labours fall back plan when things get close is to bribe students
  
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  October 14, 2019 9:51am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Don’t you mean “The same tax cuts that Bill English and National had already passed into law, and which Labour had to legislate against”?
    
    That’s the reality; offering tax cuts now, having changed the law to prevent them, would be seen as absolute hypocrisy by Labour, the Greens and NZF, especially when their much-trumpeted “surplus” is merely a paper one, and there’s still a significant fiscal hole beckoning.
    
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    October 14, 2019 10:25am
    - alloytoo
      
      “…seen as absolute hypocrisy…”
      
      That’s never stopped them before.
      
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      October 14, 2019 12:20pm
  - Paulus
    
    But if Roberson sees that Cindy is not going to get back, will he not do what Cullen did, spend spend everything for as far forward as he can so that the usual problem arises when National take over – not my problem – you are bankrupt.
    Roger Douglas last week recons that Stephen Joyce’s $11 billion deficit is more like $30 billion at present.
    Robertson’s creative accounts are rubbish.
    And Cindy would not have clue.
    
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    October 14, 2019 1:46pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Douglas is gilding the lilly too imputing a notional super liability to fit his political preferences.
      
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      October 14, 2019 3:52pm
- Tony Norriss
  
  The problem for Labour is that after the Kiwibuild fiasco they have a major credibility problem so far as future promises are concerned.
  
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  October 14, 2019 10:12am
lifesgood

Anyone know what percentage of the population are trans gender? I’m curious to know why Kiwibank seems to think using a trans person in their latest TV ads is going to improve their market share.
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October 14, 2019 9:25am
- chaos
  
  To be honest who cares. It’s an advert, don’t like it turn it off.
  
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  October 14, 2019 9:38am
  - Tall Man
    
    I know, we should all normalise …………
    
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    October 14, 2019 10:34am
    - chaos
      
      Or just not give a damn about people living their lives and do nothing to harm others. A trans person in an advert or a soap doesn’t hurt anyone
      
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      October 14, 2019 11:01am
      - Tall Man
        
        But it appears to “normalise” something that most don’t regard as normal.
        
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        October 14, 2019 5:12pm
- Ed Snack
  
  I wonder how many are trains-gender given how keen on various rail schemes so many on the left are.
  
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  October 14, 2019 10:30am
Kabull

Another dreadful feature this morning in Stuffed about Cook and the Endeavour. https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/116374482/tuia-250-the-return-of-the-death-ship
I do not understand how Stuff can keep spouting this historically inaccurate nonsense, and totally ignore the nature of Maori life at the time.
For balance, see this:
https://www.elocal.co.nz/Articles/elocal-Digital-Edition/2410

This business is much like the climate change nonsense – the media give unquestioned prominence to those with the loudest and most news-worthy voice.
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- stephieboy
  
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  “..Stuff can keep spouting this historically inaccurate nonsense,..”
  
  Such as ?
  
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  October 14, 2019 9:50am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Oh shit, he’s woken up.
    That’s GD stuffed for the day.
    
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    October 14, 2019 10:02am
    - chaos
      
      Na, ignore and vote down and let his shit go where it belongs
      
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      October 14, 2019 10:33am
    - Tall Man
      
      Ignore it.
      
      Downtick and move on.
      
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      October 14, 2019 10:34am
- Inandout
  
  Kabull, obviously stuff don’t allow comments on subjects they promote.
  
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  October 14, 2019 10:32am
  - HemiT
    
    Yip , they actually renewed their policy on comments in wake of the chch shootings
    
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    October 14, 2019 11:18am
Yvette

“The US let us down by abandoning their positions and opening the door for Turkey to attack and massacre our people in northeast Syria,” said Badran Jia Kurd, a senior Kurdish official in the town of Qamishli. He refused to confirm or deny Esper’s claim that the Kurds are poised to strike a deal with Russia and Damascus to confront Turkey but said negotiations have begun. “This has obliged us to look for alternative options that could stop those massacres,” he said. – https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12276176 this morning

New Zealand jihadist Mark Taylor captured in Syria and jailed in Kurdish prison – by ABC Middle East correspondent Adam Harvey and Suzanne Dredge in Qamishli, Northern Syria
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/383879/new-zealand-jihadist-mark-taylor-captured-in-syria-and-jailed-in-kurdish-prison
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October 14, 2019 9:49am
- stephieboy
  
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  What could you expect from a stab in the backer like the US President
  
  Expect a revival of ISIS
  
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  October 14, 2019 9:56am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    We should be expecting NATO and the UN to do THEIR JOBS!
    
    It’s not the US’s job. They did what they promised, why aren’t NATO reigning in Turkey and the UN Peacekeepers in place?
    
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    October 14, 2019 10:09am
- The King
  
  I’m astonished at how much boomers care for an ethnic racial homeland for the Kurds yet care not at all handing over their grand daughters to another racial tribe in their own land.
  
  “I don’ caret i just brought a new campervan” -t. the eternal boomer
  
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  October 14, 2019 10:25am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Hilarious! As if Kiwi grandparents ‘hand over’ granddaughters, or could even influence their decisions!
    
    Whatever is going on in Syria, at least NZ is well beyond such misogynist and racist bullshit.
    
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    October 14, 2019 7:22pm
- rangitoto
  
  They have already struck a deal with the Syrian government to move units of the Syrian army to the border areas.
  
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  October 14, 2019 10:29am
softail 1450

Septicboy ,wins KBs “fuckwitt of the day”award for the 3127th time …
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October 14, 2019 10:05am
softail 1450

Septicboy, theres rumours circulating that you are a bit of a “stab in the backer” yourself without a knife,LOL.
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October 14, 2019 10:09am
harvey wilson

Wellington rejects its cuck mayor and the following Monday is a glorious sunny day .

Coincidence? I think not .
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October 14, 2019 10:09am
Maggie Pie

it’s ok to be white
it’s ok to be black
it’s ok to be gay
it’s ok to be YOU
But it’s never ok to stop at a yellow light when we both could have made it dickhead!
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October 14, 2019 10:18am
Tony Stuart

The best Greta Thunberg mash-up yet?

https://twitter.com/kelliekelly23/status/1183263034862497793
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October 14, 2019 10:18am
- chaos
  
  Oh god that is perfect, thanks for sharing
  
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  October 14, 2019 10:25am
Durden

I have been watching Kiwiblog commenters celebrating Lester’s demise. But are not seeing that Foster could be worse. He got in only because there was no well funded reasonable alternative candidate to Lester. All commenters hoping for great things from Andy Foster—stop and breathe deeply and search for some if his prolific online comments, especially on Scoop (unless already sanitised). He is equally bad if not worse. A very long term trougher. Oh how I wish there were term limits and recall provisions.

Some examples from my past readings of his comments on Scoop and elsewhere.

– He is a disruptive councillor. Created chaos during both Wade-Brown and Lester terms.
– He is a rabid cyclist and one-eyed cycleways supporter (but smartly has not imposed one on Karori his own constituency to protect his seat). Had a big hand in Island Bay Cycleway ongoing debacle. Stories of late night rewrites of council papers personally with full Wellington cycling lobby assistance, full of creative bullshitting to hoodwink councillors to vote Yes.
– An achievement he claims is spending heaps to put three EV charging stations in Zealandia with bull shit justification. Never seen a post implentation report to see how that worked out.
– Responsible for the crappy not-fit-for-purpose Victoria street remodeling.
– Has designs to get rid of of a lot of parking and has a plan to put in new taxes on businesses that provide private car parking
– He thinks more debt funding is the way to go, argues business cases taking the cost of a project as the just the interest on debt.
– He has written proudly about his achievements in the his past long career-which is nothing but a whole bunch of reports, strategies and other documents. All bumf, nothing real and tangible.
– Has a serious Napolean complex.

And make no mistake, despite all rhetoric, he is there because of Jackson’s funding and he is Jackson’s bitch for the next three years.

I will keep a link to this comment and review it halfway through his term and before next election.
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October 14, 2019 10:21am
- Gravelroad
  
  Did you post all this pre-election??
  While I am not a Wellington ratepayer, it would have been of interest.
  These push bike zealots have way too much influence already.
  
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  October 14, 2019 10:34am
  - Durden
    
    No, been travelling. And only ocassionally catching up.
    
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    October 14, 2019 10:51am
Jack5

Hurray for democracy! Our system is truly democratic when someone as eccentric (to put it politely) as Tubby Hansen can stand for local body elections.

Tubby has been standing for local and national elections in the South Island for more than half a century. He’s been a working bloke so must have spent a decent chunk of his savings on election fees. He’s mild, harmless, and deserves to be regarded not as a figure to be ridiculed, but as an example of how wide open and free our politics are.

In the latest election for Christchurch Mayor, Tubby, running under his own banner, “Economic Euthenic’s” sic, received 303 votes – well below successful candiate Lianne Dalziel’s 47,573.

Tubby also stood for the Spreydon ward of the Spreydon-Cashmere Community Board and was unsuccessful, but received 525 votes. His policy was “a bus for Somerfield”.

He also stood for the Canterbury District Health Board listing his party as “Electronic Schizophrenia”. You can read his bizarre electoral policy, including his report of a talking fan heater, at the link below.

This election is by proportional single transferable vote, so numbers of votes a person received don’t exist. Tubby received least support of any of the 23 candidates for seven seats on the board.

Tubby’s Health Board policy:

https://www.cdhb.health.nz/wp-content/uploads/85b36a14-ch011.20191012.dhb_.801.20190828101952.tubby_.hansen.profile-html.prod_.pdf
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October 14, 2019 10:57am
453mm

Saw this gem yesterday:
A socialist is someone who wants everything you’ve got, except your job.
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October 14, 2019 11:00am
Straight arrow

“Dancing On Icebergs” is a 72 minute ego-trip TV program about highlighting climate change, funded by taxpayers via NZ on Air to the tune of $138,275. It is a documentary about the making of the film ‘Antarctica: The First Dance’, which was created by Kiwi choreographer Corey Baker, and Royal New Zealand Ballet star Madeleine Graham. The creative duo both spent 12 days on the ice for the film. Was shown on “Choice” TV channel over the past weekend.

What about carbon footprint of the vacation/woke time? The “team is committed to being as environmentally-responsible as it can be. After analysing our data and completing a carbon footprint, we committed to offsetting the emissions resulting from the project’s main environmental impacts.” Note, just main impacts. And paid for by taxpayers, not out of own pocket, because it is so easy to be woke on someone else’s dime.

Why is NZ on Air, ie taxpayers, paying for private vacations, personal promotion, and political views?
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October 14, 2019 11:04am
- Ruahine
  
  Have you seen the rubbish that is appearing on Hyundai Country Calender this season. All being funded by the Governments new propaganda arm NZ on Air. A new lefty board has been appointed since September 2017. Check them out. The amount of taxpayer money that Radio, Newspapers and TV Channels get each year easily explains all the bias and the CoL line.
  
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  October 14, 2019 1:16pm
  - Ruawai
    
    It is just becoming a promotion tool for rural start up businesses.
    
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    October 14, 2019 2:48pm
Captain Mainwaring

Reality sets in.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/news/116551372/the-electricvehicle-bubble-might-be-about-to-burst
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October 14, 2019 11:08am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Nah, there are a swarm of electric cars about to hit the market, They are already cheaper to build in A market segments (biggest/most expensive cars eg 7 series BMW) they are about the same in B segment and more expensive in C D E segments, but will come down about 40% with learning curves over next 10 years (learning curves are a surprisingly exact branch of economics).
  VW Golf is about 30% cheaper than VW ID.3 Golf. EV’s are going to be cheaper than petrol in 5-10 years, and petrol cars will get more expensive as their market share drops.
  
  Add to that battery R&D spend has gone up vastly in last couple of years in anticipation of 10-100x battery market size, batteries are going to improve in performance and cost greatly. EG already some new batteries reaching production that are 40% lighter than current Tesla.
  
  I doubt Tesla will survive competing against bigger car companies like VAG (VW Audi group) and Toyota, but I don’t doubt that EV’s are going to take over majority of market. If you are building a house plan for it.
  
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  October 14, 2019 11:58am
  - cmm
    
    “EV’s are going to be cheaper than petrol in 5-10 years”
    
    What makes you think this?
    
    There are basically four factors that set true price (ie. forgetting about subsidies) of goods:
    1) Material costs. Cost of actual materials etc going into making the product. Here EVs are expensive because they need all the electronics and metals that go into batteries.
    2) Production costs: Cost of making an ICE is probably about the same as an EV.
    3) Non-recurring engineering costs – the cost of actually designing the product. Probably about the same, but then it is amortised across all the vehicles of that model that are sold, so EVs are more expensive until the numbers go up – way up.
    4) Profit margins: It is easier to gouge eco-smug people.
    
    So really the only place EVs can win is with massive subsidies either external (ie. at the government level) or internal (ie. car makers fiddle the books internally).
    
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    October 14, 2019 12:59pm
    - chaos
      
      I do not believe evs will be around in 5 to 10 years.
      
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      October 14, 2019 1:26pm
      - stephieboy
        
        I believe they will be. Expect prices to drop as advances are made in battery technology so that a recharge only every 600 kms,
        
        Getting there,
        
        https://www.myev.com/research/comparisons/the-longest-range-electric-vehicles-for-2019
        
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        October 14, 2019 1:59pm
      - Greg Ettridge
        
        Just like the rest of the taxpayer funded bullshit.
        One wind tower that provides power for free so i am told gets $700,000 in subsidies.
        If all these ideas are so great economically, why does the man in the street have to throw money at these whacko ideas like there is no tomorrow.
        
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        October 14, 2019 3:00pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Greg Ettridge,
        “A new International Monetary Fund (IMF) study shows that USD$5.2 trillion was spent globally on fossil fuel subsidies in 2017. … The report explains that fossil fuels account for 85% of all global subsidies and that they remain largely attached to domestic policy.Jun 15, 2019
        United States Spend Ten Times More On Fossil Fuel … – Forbes
        https://www.forbes.com › sites › jamesellsmoor › 2019/06/15 › united-states
        
        LOL!
        
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        October 14, 2019 4:01pm
- Inandout
  
  CM, my 2 litre car can get 550 kms on a fill, and when I pass the EV motorists waiting patiently for a charge I smile.
  
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  October 14, 2019 2:45pm
  - sooty
    
    Don’t forget to toot!
    
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    October 14, 2019 4:18pm
  - Ed Snack
    
    I used to easily get around 8-900 km on a tank in my Peugeot – combination of being reasonably frugal for a 2.0 litre and a large tank. Usual recognized record for a normal road car is around 1,200 km per tank for a diesel Peugeot – again having a large 68 litre tank (same size as the Petrol version) helps along with the frugality of a Diesel.
    
    Still reckon that an as yet unused option for EV’s is to have a battery pack that can be removed so in essence you don’t recharge while you wait but swap batteries, paying a fee to rent the battery plus buying the charge. Also users would pay gradually for the battery depreciation and maybe pay less for a battery with less charge storage. Would require a significant engineering effort to design a way to package the batteries so they could be removed and replaced plus a wide agreement on the specifications and dimensions. But it would remove what is at present one of the major drawbacks of EV’s – relatively speaking very long recharge times.
    
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    October 14, 2019 4:19pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Our Renault Megane used to be almost the same. Easily 700 – 800 kms between fills.
      
      Never around town running though, always a decent commute.
      
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      October 14, 2019 6:14pm
  - info@cruzpro.com
    
    And when I pass a petrol station I smile. We plug in at home every third day or so. Takes less than ten seconds.
    
    Have enjoyed the EV for three years now and still loving it. Had to put some windshield wiper fluid into it and some air in the tires – that’s the total maintenance over three years.
    
    It’s hard to appreciate the advantages of an EV if you’ve never owned one. I admit there are some limitations but for normal everyday driving they are really hard to beat.
    
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    October 14, 2019 5:31pm
chaos

Hmmm, ok a couple of weeks ago it was warning men not to put toothpaste on their penis, now this. Sigh, does the word toothpaste not give away where you are meant to put it. Maybe they brush their teeth with Hemorrhoid cream.

* Doctors warn women to stop putting toothpaste in their vaginas*

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/lifestyle/2019/10/doctors-warn-women-to-stop-putting-toothpaste-in-their-vaginas.html
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October 14, 2019 12:18pm
- sooty
  
  So men don’t put toothpaste on your dick then stick it in mum, it’s a no no and you should not even brush mums teeth with it!
  
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  October 14, 2019 1:00pm
- Piniwi
  
  It is said chaos that those who do confuse toothpaste with Hemorrhoid cream end up with shrunken gums and a ring of confidence. Lol
  
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  October 14, 2019 1:34pm
  - chaos
    
    Oh so that is how Jacinda got those teeth
    
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    October 14, 2019 1:59pm
Biscuit

In Breaking News, the Labour/NZ First/Green Coalition of Losers has reacted to the typhoon that disrupted the Rugby World Cup this past weekend.

A Working Committee will investigate matters and make recommendations to ensure that no further games in Japan are disrupted.

A concerned-looking Jacinda Ardern said, ‘Look, we are concerned about this. We need to have a discussion. Terms of reference are being discussed and we aim to have those finalised by the end of November.’

The Working Committee, likely to be headed by that well-known voice of Leftist reason, Stephieboy, will report back by July 1 2022.
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October 14, 2019 12:23pm
Prince

What ever happened about Ihumatao ? Are the protesters still there ? Are we having a conversation ? Who is being paid for negotiating ?

Does anyone still care ?
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October 14, 2019 12:48pm
- chaos
  
  Last I heard a few weeks ago they had agreed, the Maori that is, that it needed to be brought by the government and given back to them
  
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  October 14, 2019 12:54pm
  - sooty
    
    Fletchers are holding firm on their price and so they should!
    
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    October 14, 2019 1:01pm
- softail 1450
  
  Prince , No they’ve all left,it was very simple,the local council temporarily closed down all liqour wholesales and all Winz offices within 15 km of the protest and put a labour hire office on site, this really scared the shit out of them and the bludgers soon lost interest and went home to mum and dads sleep outs..
  
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  October 14, 2019 1:23pm
Maggie Pie

I was just asked by someone to provide the exact meaning of ‘Parasite’.
Look at the last sentence, are Goggle now changing the meaning of words and manipulating perception? 🙁

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGugMD7XkAEFLWQ?format=jpg&name=900×900
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October 14, 2019 12:53pm
- chaos
  
  Just google describing themselves
  
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  October 14, 2019 1:11pm
  - stephieboy
    
    chaos, every reason to not search at all.
    
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    October 14, 2019 1:52pm
- Tall Man
  
  “labour politician”…
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=5&v=i4_WuFTX-5E
  
  Lice are a parasite aren’t they?
  
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  October 14, 2019 5:20pm
Maggie Pie

And just a heads up for the group – its the FINAL of MAFS tonite TV3@ 7:30.

[Don’t know if anyone else here picked up on it last nite, but quote of the series has to go to jilted Jono when he described his ‘ex-husband’ Ray, “… as a real shit stirrer”

LOL!!!
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October 14, 2019 1:32pm
chaos

No doubt the communists will complain

* “Make Ardern Go Away” hats have returned to Trade Me after the company removed the listings.

The hats are designed in the style of US President Donald Trump’s red hats, with prominent white writing on the front.

“This is a political statement. If you’re not happy with your current oppressors, this is the item for you,” the seller, realnzmaga, says.*

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/10/make-ardern-go-away-hats-return-to-trade-me.html
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October 14, 2019 3:13pm
- DigNap15
  
  I always wear mine when I go out!
  
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  October 14, 2019 6:27pm
rangitoto

Rambo Jones on vacation:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12276364
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October 14, 2019 3:24pm
Tony Stuart

Jacinda isn’t going to be pleased with Shane:

Maverick MP Shane Jones was supposed to go on holiday and read the Cabinet manual – instead he’s been firing a semi-automatic firearm banned in New Zealand by his own Government.

A series of photos posted on social media by Jones’ wife, Dot Jones, while on holiday in Asia show the Forestry Minister and self-proclaimed Champion of the Regions at a firing range with a semi-automatic rifle last week.

An expert says the firearm appears to be an AR-15 – one of the weapons used by the accused Christchurch mosque gunman and now banned by this Government.

Jones didn’t seem to do too badly either, posing with a target showing a score of 89 out of 100 – dated last Friday.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12276364

Wait until she hears that his target was really the Cabinet Manual he took away on holiday with him to study up!
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October 14, 2019 3:27pm
- chaos
  
  But if he shot up the manual on his laptop all his porn is now dead, RIP taxpayer porn.
  
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  October 14, 2019 3:28pm
- stigie
  
  Bwahahahahaha
  Don’t fuck with me, im champion of the regions !~
  
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  October 14, 2019 3:41pm
- stephieboy
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  My sources suggest it is a toy cap gun driven replica!
  
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  October 14, 2019 3:43pm
  - Swifty
    
    Your sources? The trolley wranglers at the mall?
    
    Have you seen him holding a target with holes in it?
    
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    October 14, 2019 5:20pm
    - rightoverlabour
      
      Yup, not a bad score on the face of it, but 20 yards? Lets see him at 500m…
      
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      October 14, 2019 9:12pm
- chaos
  
  She’s just announced $17 million to fight graphic violent content on the internet. Will achieve bugger all.
  
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  October 14, 2019 4:07pm
  - rangitoto
    
    I’m sure some troughers will benefit.
    
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    October 14, 2019 4:33pm
- chaos
  
  Oh she is shitty about the Shane Jones questions.
  
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  October 14, 2019 4:11pm
Maggie Pie

My partner was just saying there’s a group of louts going around the Mall in Henderson head-butting people for ‘points’. They record it on their phones and post on social media. According to the cop he was talking to they are doing it out of site of security cameras so no arrests as yet.
Oh well, so long as they stay out West…..
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October 14, 2019 3:36pm
- stephieboy
  
  Maggie Pie what was your partner doing out in the wild west in the first place?
  
  Joining in?
  
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  October 14, 2019 3:45pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    It just so happens the Gun Club he belongs to is located out that way.
    The other members nick-name him Liberty Vallance.
    
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    October 14, 2019 4:13pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Liberty Vallance after the one that got shot by John Wayne?
      
      http://www.criticalcommons.org/Members/m_friers/clips/flash-back-the-original-scene-in-the-man-who-shot/view
      
      LOL
      
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      October 14, 2019 7:01pm
  - sooty
    
    Looking for you!
    
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    October 14, 2019 4:13pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Stephieboy:
    
    Have you been to the St Lukes shopping mall, and more particularly to the cafe, recently?
    
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    October 14, 2019 4:29pm
    - sooty
      
      Why have they got his photo pinned up?
      
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      October 14, 2019 6:20pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Nostradamus,
      
      Snooze button alert!
      
      ZZZZZzzzzz…!
      
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      October 14, 2019 7:05pm
- chaos
  
  Mods is it now acceptable that someone should make an accusation that Maggie is husband is assaulting people? He already accused her of being a racist.
  
  [Mod: I don’t think Maggie will have any problem defending her partner’s honour!]
  
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  October 14, 2019 4:19pm
  - Biscuit
    
    chaos, I’m with the Mod here.
    
    If I were pricing the fight, I’d have Maggie Pie as the $1.06 favourite, the draw at $7.50 and Stephieboy as the $96 longshot.
    
    The odds would be even shorter about any rational Kiwiblogger giving any credence to Stephies’ continued, and sad, attacks on Maggie.
    
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    October 14, 2019 4:47pm
    - chaos
      
      Problem is Maggie shouldn’t have to defend her husband or put up with being called a racist. But alas mods seem to just give this person constant warnings and nothing is done about him,
      
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      October 14, 2019 5:02pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      The Maggy’s.
      
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      October 14, 2019 9:10pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    You are confusing Maggie Pie with me.
    
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    October 14, 2019 5:07pm
    - Tall Man
      
      I think you’re both fully capable…..
      
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      October 14, 2019 5:15pm
    - Biscuit
      
      Soz, Maggy!
      
      And Maggie, too.
      
      There’s only one Stephieboy, mind!
      
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      October 14, 2019 5:25pm
    - chaos
      
      Nope not confusing you, he’s had a few stabs at Maggie pie the past few days. He called her racist the other day, but the mods don’t care, they let this person get away with everything. Slowly but surely the moderation and owner doing nothing about him is wrecking this place
      
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      October 14, 2019 6:53pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @chaos
        I’m sorry to have assumed it was me… as a husband was mentioned (as well as an accusation of being racist).
        
        Problem is Maggie shouldn’t have to defend her husband
        
        This blog is stuffed when family members of commenters become the subject of smears/innuendo/abuse.
        
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        October 14, 2019 7:28pm
      - stephieboy
        
        MW,
        
        “This blog is stuffed when family members of commenters become the subject of smears/innuendo/abuse.”
        
        ???
        
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        October 14, 2019 7:51pm
chaos

Some good stories

* BREAKING: I just walked off the stage in Washington DC where I announced that our next @Project_Veritas #BeBrave insider is from within @CNN.*. https://twitter.com/JamesOKeefeIII/status/1183068770262278147

* The International Air Transport Association (IATA) released data for global air freight markets showing that demand, measured in freight tonne kilometers (FTKs), contracted by 3.9% in August 2019, compared to the same period in 2018. This marks the tenth consecutive month of year-on-year decline in freight volumes, the longest period since the global financial crisis in 2008.*. https://www.iata.org/pressroom/pr/Pages/2019-10-09-01.aspx

* Trade delegations from the US and China reached a “very substantial phase one” deal on Friday, covering intellectual property, financial services, and agricultural products. While the actual agreement may take several weeks to finalize, planned tariff increases on Chinese goods have been shelved, and Beijing has agreed to buy between $40 billion and $50 billion worth of American agricultural goods.*. https://www.rt.com/news/470794-trump-china-biggest-deal/

Jim Jordan puts forward a number of questions about the whistle blower/impeachment
https://twitter.com/Jim_Jordan

Saturday night live, worth the laugh
https://twitter.com/nbcsnl/status/1183232977901424645
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October 14, 2019 3:42pm
- stephieboy
  
  Project Veritas is a group affiliated with James O’Keefe whom the later is an alt-right moron
  
  So much for MAGA Trump’s effect on the slump in international trade.
  
  I”n a Politico article published October 29, 2017, John Boehner, former speaker of the U. S. House of Representatives, stated “he (Jordan) is an idiot. I can’t tell you what makes him tick.” Boehner described Jordan as “an asshole” and a “legislative terrorist,” saying, “Jordan was a terrorist as a legislator going back to his days in the Ohio house and senate.”[“]
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Jordan_(American_politician)
  
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  October 14, 2019 3:54pm
- Fletch
  
  Yep, CNN is in trouble. O’Keefe tweeted at Brian “Helter” Stelter –
  
  It might be time to recall the worst things you’ve said to CNN staff in the hallways, @brianstelter. Project Veritas has a reliable source who wore a hidden ?
  
  — James O’Keefe (@JamesOKeefeIII) October 12, 2019
  
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  October 14, 2019 3:58pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Fletch, more on James “Mr Deeception” Okeefe is in order please!
    
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    October 14, 2019 7:00pm
Fletch

MAGA Hats (“Make Ardern Go Away”) return to Trade Me… 😆

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/10/make-ardern-go-away-hats-return-to-trade-me.html
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October 14, 2019 4:04pm
- stephieboy
  
  Fletch , do keep a tab on the “thousands” that will no doubt sell!
  
  Rather a childlike prank IMO
  
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  October 14, 2019 7:23pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  Could somebody print hats with FOSB? Possibly with a pic of “small but ample breasts”?
  
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  October 14, 2019 8:50pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Ignore, downtick and move on.
    
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    October 15, 2019 8:29am
Ed Snack

Does anyone think that Joe Biden is suitable material for POTUS ? This is the actual statement he gave at a press conference about his and his son Hunter’s activities:

“My son and I do not and never have nor did my son the attorney general and I talk about their policies at all. So there would never be any conflict that I ever in fact influence because I didn’t know. Period.”

Quite apart from Hunter Biden stating several times that he did, in fact, discuss his business activities in Ukraine with his father, no, Joe obviously had no conflicts of interest….and for his next trick…
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- chaos
  
  Ukraine seems to be the place for no hopers to work, I see Nancy’s son worked there as well and used his mummy in a company video
  
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  October 14, 2019 6:51pm
- stephieboy
  
  Ed Snack, a source would be useful for the alleged verbatim quote
  
  Kindly oblige.
  
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  October 14, 2019 6:58pm
Hugh Pavletich

AUSTRALIA … Learning a few basics … the hard way …

Melbourne high-rise apartment prices lag houses by 50 per cent in some suburbs … The Age

https://www.theage.com.au/money/investing/melbourne-high-rise-apartment-prices-lag-houses-by-50-per-cent-in-some-suburbs-20191011-p52zru.html

Melbourne high-rise apartment prices have underperformed houses by more than 50 per cent in most suburbs in the past 10 years, amid concerns construction defects and cladding issues could lead to further falls in units. … read more via hyperlink above …
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… via …

Melbourne and Sydney apartments are financial dead weight … Leith van Onselen … MacroBusiness Australia

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/10/melbourne-and-sydney-apartments-are-financial-dead-weight/

If there’s one iron clad truth in property, it’s that land values appreciate while structures depreciate.

This is certainly the case in both Melbourne and Sydney, where high-rise apartment value growth has badly lagged detached house growth over the past decade, according to new research from propertyology. From The Age:

Analysis by Propertyology, a company that researches property markets on behalf of investors, shows that while house prices in Melbourne grew on average by 91 per cent over the 10 years to May 31 this year, prices of apartments in most suburbs dominated by high-rise unit blocks have risen by less than half of that

The analysis using CoreLogic data shows Melbourne’s high-rise apartment market has performed significantly worse than every other Australian city… … read more via hyperlink above …
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October 14, 2019 4:33pm
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  … and this New Zealand horror story …
  
  Comment by bskerr2 on MacroBusiness Au article thread above …
  
  https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/10/melbourne-and-sydney-apartments-are-financial-dead-weight/#comment-3520195
  
  bskerr2MEMBER
  October 14, 2019 at 3:26 pm
  Ad nz to the list, 100s of defective buildings roads etc exray technology exposes crisis
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/116557551/new-zealands-defective-concrete-crisis-revealed-by-investigators
  
  Widespread defective or missing concrete or reinforcing steel revealed … Phil Pennington of RNZ … Stuff NZ
  
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  October 14, 2019 6:07pm
- Swifty
  
  Prick can’t even write his own posts – he can only cut and paste.
  
  Lazy spammer.
  
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  October 14, 2019 7:08pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Swifty, think that Hugh would know considerably more than you or me about Urban Planning and Housing affordability!
    
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    October 14, 2019 7:26pm
Gravelroad

Is there no end to the lengths that Ms Ardern will sink to in order to shore up her coalition from hell?
Today we have had hitman Shane showing off with a banned gun resulting in a very feeble response from the anti gun Prime Minister.
Then we’ve had her brazenly trying to distance herself from ex- Mayor Justin Lester by saying he was standing as an independent – Nothing to do with Labour.
That’s a shocking slap in the face for Labour Party Lester.
Ardern is beyond craven in her attempts to disown failure.
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October 14, 2019 5:58pm
- chaos
  
  Gun is only banned in NZ, legal where he was.
  
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  October 14, 2019 6:49pm
  - kowtow
    
    Of course , but it’s a really bad look from a Minister who’s making a virtue of kicking the firearms community , especially when NZF used to be such an advocate .
    
    What an utter twat .
    
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    October 14, 2019 7:28pm
  - The King
    
    Tfw ‘third world’ Thais have more rights than I do..
    
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    October 14, 2019 10:26pm
    - Tall Man
      
      A growing economy, a growing level of education and access to a higher level of medical care as well… If you have a few bucks.
      
      Having been a regular visitor there for more than 20 years I can say that I feel safer in the streets than I do in downtown Auckland or Christchurch…. Plus, if a resident I am allowed to own a firearm for self defense…..
      
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      October 15, 2019 8:27am
- ex-golfer
  
  Its also a complete lie.
  Not only were Lesters mailbox drops plastered with the Labour logo, the ballot paper clearly had him running under a Labour ticket – not an independent as Ardern today tried to make out him out to be.
  
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  October 14, 2019 7:00pm
  - chaos
    
    * It seems Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has thrown deposed Labour Wellington mayor Justin Lester under a Wellington bus.
    
    Lester may still be licking his wounds after losing out to Andy Foster but Ardern seems to have poured salt all over them and cut ties with him – in a very obvious slip of the tongue.
    
    On Monday, during her weekly post-Cabinet press conference, Ardern swiftly distanced the former mayor from the Labour Party by incorrectly stating that he had run this election as an independent.*
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/116575387/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-distances-labour-from-failed-wellington-mayoral-candidate-justin-lester
    
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    October 14, 2019 7:20pm
- stephieboy
  
  Gravelroad, the same Shanes Jones from a party that National will likely need to form a credible coalition!
  
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  October 14, 2019 7:28pm
Happychappy

Another strong poll from One News Colmar Bruton with National and Act able to Govern if a Election was held today.Even though the figures are dominant for National you can see the political commentators are uncomfortable delivering the poll and having to talk down labour.
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October 14, 2019 6:13pm
Captain Mainwaring

TV1 poll confirms the Labour slide and National rise we saw yesterday on TV3.
Cindy putting on a brave face but obviously not happy.
Bring it on!
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October 14, 2019 6:23pm
- Inandout
  
  CM, seems National and Act have the numbers to form a government.
  
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  October 14, 2019 6:44pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Inandout , do they just?
    
    How?
    
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    October 14, 2019 7:20pm
- chaos
  
  NZ First will now start pushing to distance themselves from greens and labour.
  
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  October 14, 2019 6:48pm
  - stephieboy
    
    chaos, with the recent antics of Shane Jones in Thailand and at home that is likely to be tricky.
    
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    October 14, 2019 7:21pm
- stephieboy
  
  Captain Mainwaring, more a blip than a slide IMO
  
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  October 14, 2019 7:07pm
chaos

More newshub poll info

* Housing is shaping up to be the Achilles heel of the Government and voters don’t think it is doing enough to help first-home buyers.

The latest Newshub-Reid Research Poll shows even Labour supporters are being put off their party over its housing decisions.

Newshub polled voters about Labour’s KiwiBuild and the failed policy’s rebrand which includes a home ownership scheme and government-backed 5 percent deposit loans.*

* Green voters really don’t think the Government is cutting it, with 60.1 percent saying not enough is being done, compared to just 27 percent who are satisfied.*

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/10/voters-not-satisfied-with-government-s-progress-on-housing-newshub-reid-research-poll.html
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October 14, 2019 7:02pm
- stephieboy
  
  chaos , news hub is probably right but National needs to be clear about how it will fix it now that it has time to think about the issue of housing affordability since it failed to address the problem,m nine years in power.
  
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  October 14, 2019 7:18pm
slightlyrighty

Meanwhile, this is how the Standard are spinning the latest poll….

“The October TV One/Colmar Brunton poll is out. Like yesterday’s devastating TV3 poll result showing National not waving, but drowning, today’s poll confirms that NZ is still heading toward an historic Labour/Green Government, despite the Tories flirting with numbers in the high fifties.”

You could not make this shit up.

Their servers must be in Egypt ‘cos they are so much in Denial….
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October 14, 2019 7:19pm
- kowtow
  
  More likely Paris , they’re insane.
  
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  October 14, 2019 7:25pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Ha! Ha!
    
    (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ha!_Ha!_River#Geography)
    
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    October 14, 2019 8:06pm
- stephieboy
  
  slightlyrighty, given the dire doomsday forecasting on KB and elsewhere regarding the fate of the COL the news hub poll, is not that bad for Jacinda all things considered
  
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  October 14, 2019 7:41pm
Maggie Pie

QUESTION OF THE DAY:

Why was News anchor Shepard Smith escorted out of the Fox News building like a common criminal mid-show and not allowed back in even to clear his desk?

This could be interesting …
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October 14, 2019 7:24pm
- chaos
  
  isnt It obvious? He wanted to be on next seasons MAFS
  
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  October 14, 2019 7:57pm
Swifty

Labour is loyal – unless you fail:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/116575387/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-distances-labour-from-failed-wellington-mayoral-candidate-justin-lester

Then they will lie to disassociate themselves from you.
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October 14, 2019 7:36pm
- stephieboy
  
  Swifty , we need to get some perspective and remind ourselves of the fantastic success of Lianne Dalziel and Phil Goff in Christchurch and Auckland pummeling their opponents at the polls
  
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  October 14, 2019 7:44pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Jeez, doesn’t Jacinda know a damn thing about what’s going on in her party?
  (She’s still the Leader of the NZ Labour Party, isn’t she?)
  
  Check out Lester’s begging-bowl appeal:
  https://www.justinlester.org.nz/donate
  
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  October 14, 2019 8:14pm
  - Tall Man
    
    She really doesn’t care Maggy.
    
    Everything is about her and the sooner the rest of New Zealand realise that the better off we will be.
    
    I personally believe that labour numbskulls have little real access to genuine wealth through personal endeavour that they grasp whatever comes their way and hang on like a bull terrier until they are forcibly removed.
    
    2020 will extract ardern’s teeth from the public teat.
    
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    October 15, 2019 8:10am
- Tall Man
  
  “Lester, who was once feted as Labour’s golden ticket and potential national leadership material – before Jacindamania hit ”
  
  There’s your reason loud and clear.
  
  ardern’s hugz and feelz definitely do not extend to any potential threat to her personal goals to attain wealth and attention from others.
  
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  October 15, 2019 8:18am
Nostradamus

From Australia: Are Australian universities putting our national security at risk by working with China?

Australia’s top universities could be aiding the Chinese Communist Party’s mission to develop mass surveillance and military technologies, amid rising concerns from Australian intelligence agencies that they are putting national security at risk.

A joint Four Corners-Background Briefing investigation has uncovered extensive collaborations between Australian universities and Chinese entities involved in Beijing’s increasingly global surveillance apparatus.

At least two of those companies and organisations have been blacklisted in the past week by the US Government, which concluded they were implicated in human rights abuses against China’s Muslim minorities.

The article shows a photo with the caption “The Chinese Government has used surveillance technology to track and detain ethnic minorities, including Uyghurs”. The photo shows a video snapshot of people going about their business, with a white square around them, tracking their movements.

I’ve previously read elsewhere that an Australian university collaborated with a Chinese university to develop technology that could identify people with “Uyghur” features as distinct from “Chinese” features. Very Orwellian. Australian universities are coming under closer scrutiny about their collaborative research projects involving Chinese universities.
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October 14, 2019 7:47pm
- Nostradamus
  
  The moderation system really isn’t working.
  
  I submitted my comment at 7.47pm. It’s now approaching midnight and my comment is still in moderation.
  
  On this GD thread, I can see this 7.44pm comment by Stephieboy (which, based on when I first saw it, may have been released from moderation about 10pm).
  
  On another thread, this 11.38pm comment by Rapheal has been released from moderation.
  
  So, that’s at least two comments released from moderation, one submitted 3 minutes before mine and the other submitted 3 hours after mine.
  
  Perhaps some changes are needed?
  
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  October 14, 2019 11:46pm
Hugh Pavletich

Posted at …
https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/10/links-15-october-2019/#comment-3520680

CHINA: An outstanding presentation …

The People’s Republic of China: 70 Years of Economic History … VusualCapitalist Com

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/china-economic-growth-history/
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