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Stackexchange is the biggest question-and-answer site on the internet. It is particularly beloved by computer programmers in need of help.

They’ve recently had a big fight with their users over changes to their code of conduct mandating the use of preferred pronouns.

Specifically, they have decided that it is unacceptable to use gender-neutral language if the intent is to avoid using nonstandard pronouns. For example, if Bob asks to be referred to as “xe” (instead of “he”) and I keep referring to him as “Bob” instead of using “xe” then I am in violation of their code of conduct.

A moderator who questioned the new rules was “fired” without warning. Users are pretty angry but the staff aren’t listening.

This is the future. The madness knows no limits…
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October 13, 2019 8:00am
- cmm
  
  Linux kernel too… Feels are getting more important than robust discussion and competence.
  
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  October 13, 2019 8:41am
- Rich Prick
  
  I signed out of political correctness a decade ago. The pronoun I prefer is “freak”.
  
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  October 13, 2019 8:56am
  - Jack5
    
    English has long had a gender-neutral singular personal pronoun – “it”.
    
    Otherwise it is genderless in nouns, unlike French, Spanish, Russian, German, and many other modern languages.
    
    A tiny minority of society, vocal and politically hyper-active, is trying to change a language vast in terms of native speakers.
    
    The push is for for the introduction of “xe” instead of he, she, it, rather than “xe” as a preference for the LGBTQI folk. The activists would have “xe” etc made the default, and and the present personal singular pronounts (he, him, she etc) made socially unacceptable.
    
    The LGBTQI mob are power crazed.
    
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    October 13, 2019 10:25am
    - Jack5
      
      Our financially moribund media is pushing gender-bender pronouns.
      
      On the Hooerald site today about an alleged would-be thief being bashed:
      
      A police spokeswoman said a person had reportedly found two men breaking into their vehicle. [The italics are mine,]
      
      For centuries, perhaps for ever, in the English language, when the singular personal possessive pronoun (his, her) could not be used because the sex of the person was unknown or irrelevant, his has been the standard pronoun to use.
      Context would explain the sex of the person referred to was unknown, but in the report it would be understood that “we’re just saying ‘his’ because it’s less of a mouthful than ‘his or her’.”
      
      The media are trying to lead us by the nose in using the plural possessive pronoun to avoid using “his” ( and even “her” – the next move is use when the gender of the person referred to is known).
      
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      October 13, 2019 11:00am
    - JackRabbit
      
      @Jack5
      
      >>>The LGBTQI mob are power crazed.
      
      The LGBTQI mob are like the guy that is driving the wrong way down a motorway lane. In their mind everyone else is driving the wrong way, and even the road signs are pointing in the wrong direction.
      
      So they obsessively campaign to have the road signs changed, but worse they want to be able to choose which direction they drive in.
      
      If allowed to continue it will spread. In the not too near future, no doubt someone will campaign to be able to marry their pet, since they “Identify” more with/as an animal than humans. “Whales and cows are more important than people”. Some vegans refer to killing and eating meat as “eating our brothers and sisters”.
      
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      October 13, 2019 2:13pm
      - igm
        
        We are born either male or female . . . those that want to be different are either perverts or just exhibitionists who want the easy way out in life’s problems.
        This LTGBK crap should be stopped in its wake NOW!
        
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        October 13, 2019 2:48pm
  - atomic drop
    
    You can sign out but you can never leave political correctness.
    
    You will be doxxed, have your career destroyed and you and your family harassed and threatened.
    
    You right wingers should have cared a couple of decades ago. Instead you sat and feasted at the Globalist table.
    
    Too late now, and in the words of The Joker – “you get what you f$#%ing deserve.”
    
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    October 13, 2019 12:03pm
  - IC5000
    
    > The pronoun I prefer is “freak”
    
    OK freak whatever you want. It’s your choice.
    
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    October 13, 2019 5:27pm
- slightlyrighty
  
  This is precisely what Jordan Peterson warned us about in his opposition to C17.
  
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  October 13, 2019 9:26am
- kowtow
  
  Co incidentally , from the story about the guy protecting his car .
  
  ‘A police spokeswoman said a person had reportedly found two men breaking into their vehicle.’
  
  Surely it should be “his” vehicle . I thought I’d noticed this trend in other newspapers too .ie using the plural for the singular.
  
  Wondering if this is our Media Party’s soft start down the woke road of the gender neutral pronoun .
  
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  October 13, 2019 9:50am
  - Duncan Brown
    
    The use of “their” is correct grammar in place of “his or her” when the person’s gender is unknown or not to be disclosed.
    
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    October 13, 2019 2:15pm
    - Jack5
      
      Says who, Duncan Brown?
      
      The use of “their” in place of “his” or “his or hers” is not traditional. For example it was opposed by Fowler.
      
      Language use changes over time. However, the use of “their” as a neutral single plural possessive pronoun is being driven social activists.
      
      It’s English usage being bent by the Politically Correct. The LGBTQI mob are working hard to legitimise the promote the use at many internet web grammar-advice sites.
      
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      October 13, 2019 4:35pm
- kevn
  
  Massive ‘loss of face’ for Japan with the RWC games location/scheduling in known typhoon season..
  It will be etched on their psyche for years.
  
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  October 13, 2019 10:58am
  - GazzaW
    
    This is the twentieth typhoon this year for Japan so hardly a surprise and just like NZ earthquakes are a common occurrence too.
    And guess what – the Olympic Games are just as likely to exposure to a typhoon as well. The infrastructure and systems will cope just fine and within two days all will be forgotten.
    
    Oh! The Scotland v Japan game is starting on schedule. What a surprise.
    
    Let the games begin.
    
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    October 13, 2019 3:33pm
JibberJabber

Thomas Sowell
Since wealth is the only thing that can cure poverty, you might think that the left would be as obsessed with the creation of wealth as they are with the redistribution of wealth. But you would be wrong.
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October 13, 2019 8:01am
- Swifty
  
  Weird isn’t it?
  
  Totally inconsistent.
  
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  October 13, 2019 8:37am
  - Tall Man
    
    An ideology based on envy and laziness.
    
    Generally “envy & greed” are motivators to gain wealth unless you are a lefty when they are motivators to “punish” those who are achieving.
    
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    October 13, 2019 9:08am
- Wayne
  
  I don’t think you understand. Capitalism is great but redistribution is neccesary because capitalism has a big flaw (capital begats capital).
  
  If you don’t redistribute, capital tends to flow upwards overtime (I. E. It is hard for a poor person to save $10 but a multimillionaire can earn $$$$ by doing nothing).
  
  Wealth generation and redistribution are both neccesary in a capitalist system and it is in your interest to advocate for this.
  
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  October 13, 2019 9:34am
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    Wayne
    This notion of ‘equality’ has no relation whatsoever to reality. Are you equal to the lowest scumbag, or the most brilliant minds in history? I doubt it. Neither am I.
    
    If people put their petty jealousies, resentment and insecurities aside for a moment, they would see that within reason the best and most capable among us should be allowed and encouraged to accumulate obscene wealth. They bring us all along with them, via the economic stimulus they provide. The premise that they shouldn’t is just emotive and misguided.
    
    Carnegie and Rockerfeller, as two paradigm examples, did just that and transformed the world as they did it (in construction and energy respectively). We are all better off for it, via the flow-ons. It is not a coincidence that the 19th century was a boom time, when people were largely unfettered by excessive taxation and vote-buying redistribution policies. Look what that has done in contrast.
    
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    October 13, 2019 12:18pm
    - Wayne
      
      Carnegie and Rockerfeller self distributed….as does Gates and Co. So by citing them you reveal what you are actually against (govt mandated taxation and redistribution) rather than redistribution in of itself.
      
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      October 13, 2019 1:37pm
      - The Proper Ghandi
        
        GoVege and Wayne
        Both those guys were voluntarily philanthropists. Big difference between that and coercive redistribution via the force of the State. The key is the free volition aspect. That is morally sound, but taking by force or the threat thereof is morally reprehensible. Who does the taking is irrelevant. Having a badge or a uniform or statutory authority does not change that. So yes, redistribution absent coercion is fine with me: it’s their dosh so they can go nuts if they choose. Choice is paramount.
        
        When I say “boom time” re: 19th century I refer to the total amount of wealth at the outset compared with that at its close. Even the poorest became a lot less poor, off the back of the fruits of technological advances and associated wealth creation. These are facts. The world economy has never seen such an expansion and probably never will, unless the State gets out of the way.
        
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        October 13, 2019 3:25pm
    - GoVege
      
      Carnegie and Rockefeller were also great philanthropists, PG, who gave much of their wealth away.
      And “the 19th century was a boom time”…for whom?
      Not for most of our forebears..
      
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      October 13, 2019 1:51pm
      - Classic Liberal
        
        “Not for most of our forebears..”
        
        Funny you should say that. My forebears would not have existed at all without English industry giving them jobs, and far more food being available to working people than to the poor and scruffy farm help they would at most have been in previous centuries.
        
        I see such an early ‘boom time’ relatively to simply not or barely existing at all. For instance having something like a Liverpool house with one amazing indoor sink and a few meals on the kitchen table.
        
        Yes, I know that sounds like the Monty Python skit…
        
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        October 13, 2019 3:17pm
      - The Proper Ghandi
        
        Classical Liberal
        Bloody Lookshury! When I was a lad, we lived for three months in a paper bag in a septic tank. We used to have to get up at six in the morning, clean the paper bag, eat a crust of stale bread, go to work down t’ mill, fourteen hours a day, week-in week-out, for sixpence a week, and when we got home our Dad would thrash us to sleep wi’ his belt
        
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        October 13, 2019 9:52pm
  - Rich Prick
    
    Redistribution is immoral. Voting to rob me because you believe someone else deserves what have more than I do doesn’t make it any less immoral.
    
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    October 13, 2019 12:45pm
    - Wayne
      
      Rich prick, can you describe the ways that you’ve benefited from the institutions, organisation, and resources that taxation has provided?
      
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      October 13, 2019 1:40pm
      - Rich Prick
        
        I’ve gone through life with pretty much all the institutions being private, the roads are about the only thing I use daily, and I pay a fair chunk on levies in addition to tax for them.
        
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        October 13, 2019 4:25pm
      - Wayne
        
        Rick Prick,
        
        So no public school, public health, universities or tertiary study for you then?
        
        You’ve had no business or emploment that benefits from the rule of law being enforced by police and the justice system, you don’t listen to radio or use airports. You are not in the agricultural industry and so you don’t benefit from pest managememt or border control. You’re not worried about your kids taking drugs and so you don’t believe that we should have a customs service. You don’t drive over bridges or use any other of the publically engineered and built structures. You don’t benefit from medical advances that have been driven by public funding. You don’t use GPS or mobile technology (that was developed and funded by US taxpayers), and you don’t use the banking system which is regulated by govt.
        
        You don’t plan on using taxpayer funded superannuation and you intend to be fully health insured until you die.
        
        You don’t have fibre to your door and you don’t use local wastewater and water systems. You don’t have a sealed road to your private property and you don’t have street lights where you live.
        
        You don’t have kids or if you do, you paid for their births, midwivery care, and education/health out of your own pocket.
        
        And this is just the start.
        
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        October 13, 2019 7:08pm
      - Rich Prick
        
        No I can’t, because the private sector is just so much better. Private schools, private hospitals, and university in the US where you pay for it all, I’ve never had an ACC claim, I’ve never been on a benefit, I’ve never had a winter electric payment, I’m too young for a Gold Card. Never called upon the Police nor the Fire Service nor Ambulances. Roads are all I use, and I pay $192,000 a year in tax for that. I could replace my car every six months when I get bored with the colour if I wasn’t funding your glorious socialism. Fuck socialism BTW. It’s shit.
        
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        October 13, 2019 11:06pm
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Wayne: it is hard for a poor person to save $10 but a *government department* can earn $$$$ by doing nothing.
    
    It’s called taxation.
    
    When Marxism was explained to me in Political Studies 101, the basic point was this: capitalists take a slice out of the workers’ efforts, and that makes workers unable to afford each other’s goods.
    
    Well, how is most taxation any better? Plenty of it is wasted on things that are no use to anyone really.
    
    And at least a capitalist is usually a owner or shareholder of a business creating goods, jobs, taking risks and spending income on other goods.
    
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    October 13, 2019 2:34pm
  - igm
    
    Get off your arse and do a bit extra . . . don’t expect anything from anyone, that being the leeching Labour/Green way.
    
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    October 13, 2019 2:50pm
  - IC5000
    
    Lol Down votes from people who use the public health system, were educated on the taxpayers dime and used roads funded by taxes. Retards.
    
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    October 13, 2019 5:28pm
    - The Proper Ghandi
      
      IC500
      Yeah, but they were all ultimately funded by us taxpayers, dopey. The Government only has money that it takes. We still would have funded all of those items without giving it to a third party, and moreover not lost any of it in administration and inefficient wastage on the way through.
      
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      October 13, 2019 7:44pm
      - Wayne
        
        What do you propose as the alternative.
        
        And in fact, a lot of spending is funded by debt, and not taxes.
        
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        October 13, 2019 10:28pm
      - IC5000
        
        Sure you would have funded the roads by yourself? Western civilisation was built by people committing to the common good of maintaining their community. Where everyone has a sense of community and saw participation and continuance as something to be valued. What you and your ilk propose is the complete opposite of western civilisation.
        
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        October 14, 2019 12:23am
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  Thomas Sowell is a US national treasure. He is 89 but his intellect is still sharp as a tack. His grasp of and insight into the FACTS are near on irrefutable.
  
  Look up his Hoover Institution interviews for a slice of cold hard analysis. And, he was once a Marxist, until he realised that the Left had no intention nor ability to solve any substantive issues, and were all about keeping people down for their (Marxists) own benefit.
  
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  October 13, 2019 9:36am
- Morrissey
  
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  Thomas Sowell?!!??!?!?
  
  Good Lord, is there anyone in America that is stupider than that fellow? (Aside from Ben Carson, of course.)
  
  The fact that you see fit to quote that dunderhead leads one, sadly, to this inescapable conclusion….
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=871-3XMhtAk
  
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  October 13, 2019 9:49am
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    Morrissey
    You are feckin hilarious. Anyone who makes that kind of statement about the intelligence and integrity of Dr Sowell a) has never read or heard anything Sowell has to say, and b) clearly doesn’t mind looking like a total pillock. You obviously don’t. Stick to the indy music buddy.
    
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    October 13, 2019 12:08pm
    - Morrissey
      
      “… the intelligence and integrity of Dr Sowell”??!!?
      
      C’mon, danghi, stop kiddin’ around.
      
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      October 13, 2019 1:00pm
      - Jack5
        
        ?‍♀️ Danghi? Danghi?
        
        Hi Morrissey Breen, speaking of Gandhi …
        
        Have you got Gandhi on your groper list? If not, why not?
        
        The sexual abstinence he preached included sleeping nude with women much younger than himself. Near the end of his life was sleeping with two of them at a time, all naked of course.
        
        I like this extract from the article linked to below it:
        
        Gandhi called for his 18-year-old grandniece Manu to join him – and sleep with him. “We both may be killed by the Muslims,” he told her, “and must put our purity to the ultimate test, so that we know that we are offering the purest of sacrifices, and we should now both start sleeping naked.”
        
        https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/features/thrill-of-the-chaste-the-truth-about-gandhis-sex-life-1937411.html
        
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        October 13, 2019 2:55pm
      - The Proper Ghandi
        
        Has Mum let you loose on her laptop again? Don’t you have a homework assignment due in the morning?
        
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        October 13, 2019 3:34pm
  - Swifty
    
    Pathetic.
    
    ‘Stupid’, ‘dunderhead’.
    
    Is name calling all you’ve got? Is that what you teach your captive kids every day?
    
    And what are your accomplishments for us to measure against Sowell’s?
    
    Your opinion of Sowell ain’t worth shit.
    
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    October 13, 2019 12:14pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  I read somewhere:
  The best way to help the poor?
  NOT BE ONE OF THEM.
  
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  October 13, 2019 11:18am
- JackRabbit
  
  @JibberJabber
  
  The redistribution of wealth is fancy name for theft. Fascism and Socialism are very closely connected, it is about having total power and other peoples’ wealth. No matter which fascist, communist, or socialist country you look at, the powers that be always live in the lap of luxury paid for by the taxpayer.
  
  The only main difference is that with socialism you get the Pied Piper story. As long as you promise to put absolute faith in he who plays the pipe (leader), he promises to get rid of poverty (rats) when in reality he is a mastermind thief who planned all along to steal your assets (children).
  
  The top “socialist” leaders are actually fascists, even if they cannot see it, while the rank and file socialists (people of Hamelin) live in delusion, believing the pied piper’s promises.
  
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  October 13, 2019 2:27pm
Happychappy

Tova’s three news Reid research political poll will be on the 6 O’clock news tonight and she is promising a few surprise.
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October 13, 2019 8:04am
- namron
  
  Happy, what “few surprises” are you expecting and/or hoping for?
  namron
  
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  October 13, 2019 8:39am
  - Simon
    
    That Trump is NZ preferred PM as all the rest are stone cold losers.
    
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    October 13, 2019 8:52am
  - Tall Man
    
    jlr as “preferred prime minister”….. Wouldn’t that rattle ardern’s cage but he probably is the biggest sleaze whereas ardern still has “training wheels”.
    
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    October 13, 2019 9:10am
    - sooty
      
      They are called minders, not training wheels!
      
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      October 13, 2019 9:55am
  - Happychappy
    
    Hopefully exactly what Mathew Hooton has said the internal polls for Labour have had them dropping substantially in there last four and NZ First with the Greens below the 5% threshold.
    
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    October 13, 2019 9:19am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Ummm,
    that their research conclusively ‘proves’ that NZers think the National Party is full of misogynistic, bigoted old male white supremacist, ultra right wing fascists who are currently planning a military coup;
    that their special new poll of the nation’s young people proves that they’d all really like Cindy to be their big sister;
    that Anika Moa and Gharaman’s boyfriend truly are the nation’s funniest people…
    
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    October 13, 2019 9:36am
    - Suze Wainwright
      
      And our polling techniques have ensured that the Jacinda Ardern-led Labour Party looks like it absolutely sh!ts roses throughout the recent sex scandals and it is in fact the National Party which is made to look like a bunch of truly nasty meanies;
      
      Oh and I nearly forgot – more bad news for Simon Bridges – he’ll definitely be gone burgers by the end of this week…
      
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      October 13, 2019 10:54am
  - 3-coil
    
    That jacinda’s protection of her in-house “accused” male sexual molestor staff member…has crashed her fake#metoo PreferredPM support base! ?
    
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    October 13, 2019 11:30am
  - freethinker
    
    Truth would be a good start.
    
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    October 13, 2019 11:45am
- G152
  
  Ah, the Red research.
  Much nearer the truth
  
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  October 13, 2019 8:57am
- Andrew McMillan
  
  No doubt they’ll be pushing the Christopher Luxon preferred PM/National Leader narrative
  
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  October 13, 2019 10:26am
- pb
  
  Polls are agit-propaganda for the elite. Ignore them all
  
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  October 13, 2019 5:31pm
- Mobile Michael
  
  Stardust only lasts so long…
  
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  October 13, 2019 7:00pm
cmm

Man takes law into his own hands and a burglar ends up in hospital.

I hope this does not end up with charges against the man protecting his property. The crims are already emboldened enough.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12275961
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October 13, 2019 8:10am
- Michael
  
  Some call it culling, others vigelante actions.
  I’m discombobulated about it all.
  
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  October 13, 2019 8:13am
- sooty
  
  His mate did a runner! Chicken shit!
  
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  October 13, 2019 8:23am
- Inandout
  
  cmm, looks like house next to medical centre.
  
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  October 13, 2019 8:28am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The car owner has been hospitalised also.
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12276010
  
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  October 13, 2019 11:25am
  - Tall Man
    
    Knuckle bruises are really painful.
    
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    October 13, 2019 9:20pm
Michael

So will the Kurds kill the ISIS captives to remove their future threat.
Or will Erdogan allow them to go free to attack the Syrians and Europeans?
90,000 seems a lot, but even 900 in the capitals of Europe might be too much.
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October 13, 2019 8:12am
- John Warren
  
  Killing them would be the most humane thing to do. Humane for everybody else, that is.
  
  Or perhaps a deal could be done with China? Pack them off to the Uighur re-education camps – nobody comes out of those still wrong-thinking.
  
  Problem is I’m only half-joking. What can you actually do with those people? Were the Kurds going to keep them locked up forever?
  
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  October 13, 2019 8:43am
  - The King
    
    mmm concentration camps and mass murder huh?
    
    and i’m supposed to be the “Nazi’
    
    phew lad.
    
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    October 13, 2019 9:33am
  - MH
    
    the kurds will have their whey with them..
    
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    October 13, 2019 11:05am
- The King
  
  Well the Kurds genocided the Armenians so most likely.
  
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  October 13, 2019 9:13am
  - Jack5
    
    The Kurds “genocided” the Armenians?
    
    It was the Ottoman Turks who created the genocide.
    
    Some Kurdish tribes that lived in the regions of the Ottoman empire, participated in the terrible persecution and slaughter of Armenians. Some Kurds, admittedly fewer, sheltered Armenians. A bit like what happened in the Baltic countries, Poland, and Ukraine when the occupying Germans slaughtered Jews. Some of the Occupied people helped the mass murder. Some even joined the German Army. Others helped Jews hide or flee to join the Red partisans.
    
    However, Kurdish leaders now officially recognise that the slaughter of Armenians was genocide, while Turkey does not.
    
    https://news.am/eng/news/248367.html
    
    https://www.pri.org/stories/kurds-turkey-atone-their-role-armenian-genocide
    
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    October 13, 2019 1:41pm
  - stephieboy
    
    And the Nazis the Jews and Roma ( Gypsies)
    
    Whats new?
    
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    October 13, 2019 2:36pm
- Yvette
  
  ISIL fighters ‘escape jail’ as Kurdish forces put down riot in al-Hawl [women’s] camp
  Five ISIL fighters broke out of a prison in Qamishli after Turkish shelling nearby, according to a media official with the SDF
  https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/10/turkey-military-operation-syria-latest-updates-191011060434166.html
  
  Is not Mark Taylor in Qamishli, Northern Syria. It will be interesting to see what Ardern does – if he returns – having already banished him from her mind, and after Winston and others have somewhat prejudiced any trial.
  
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  October 13, 2019 9:28am
  - Nermal
    
    Mark Taylor? Never heard of you. Got your passport? Any other identification? Sorry mate, can’t give you a new passport without that.
    
    Next please
    
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    October 13, 2019 1:58pm
- kowtow
  
  “It should ask sympathetic governments in the region, and there are plenty, to detain this individual and make sure he is on the next plane straight back to New Zealand, where he should face the full rigour of the law.”
  
  The full rigour of the law , bwahahahahaa.
  
  https://www.odt.co.nz/news/global-insight/global-insight-govt-handling-nz-jihadist-irresponsible
  
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  October 13, 2019 10:45am
Monique Watson

Any harridans hanging in in Wellington City Council?
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October 13, 2019 8:19am
- sooty
  
  No, they are all on the lampost outside!
  
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  October 13, 2019 8:33am
DRHILL

A new season of Have I Got News For You has started in the UK (talking about Brexit):
https://youtu.be/xXTuOaZhcCk
In case anyone wants to watch (used to show here years ago on UK TV)
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October 13, 2019 8:24am
- Tall Man
  
  Imagine having a TV company here taking a hard look at government behaviour from a humourous bent…
  
  McPhail and Gadsby or “Not the Nine O’Clock News” type of thing……
  
  Never going to happen as all journos and “actors” are cueing for neve cuddles and ardern dust.
  
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  October 13, 2019 9:18am
Happychappy

Well I am hoping Andy Foster holds on with his 714 vote lead over Justin Lester with 5000 special votes to count.
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/news/politics
When you team up with the Julie Anne Genter the Green’s associated Transport Minister to decieve the Wellington Public and refuse to release the correspondence to go with Politic does need people like that and he needs to pay the price.
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October 13, 2019 8:31am
- pdm
  
  Any chance Foster will release the `mysterious’ letter when he takes over?
  
  Unless Lester destroys the Mayoral copy of course.
  
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  October 13, 2019 9:48am
  - Tall Man
    
    Still a lefty, just not as big a tosser as lester.
    
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    October 13, 2019 9:09pm
- DigNap15
  
  They should have dumped Lesda with a much bigger majoridy.
  That would have really given Genter a message.
  Show us the letter
  
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  October 13, 2019 10:08am
- MCos
  
  Andy Foster has been on the council forever and stood for NZ First in the last GE.
  He’s a strong environmentalist.
  I predict in three years time people on this forum will be calling for his head.
  
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  October 13, 2019 10:15am
  - Tall Man
    
    3 weeks…..
    
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    October 13, 2019 9:10pm
- Ruawai
  
  Trouble is Justin Lester will probably now join the labour party list.
  
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  October 13, 2019 11:29am
  - Colville
    
    With his record of failure he would be a shoo in.
    
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    October 13, 2019 1:41pm
    - igm
      
      Deputy Minister of Finance will be his position . . . he is a loser after all!
      
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      October 13, 2019 2:52pm
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    That won’t help either of them.
    
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    October 13, 2019 9:09pm
peterwn

Crimes Act 1961 S48 Self-defence and defence of another –
Every one is justified in using, in the defence of himself or herself or another, such force as, in the circumstances as he or she believes them to be, it is reasonable to use.

How the offender came to be seriously injured is not indicated and would be the focus of police investigations. If it was self defence then hopefully the car owner says the right thing and does not put his foot in it. If he stated he believed (a ‘subjective’ test) his life was at risk, this would cause the prosecutor a serious headache. However if the force used was unreasonable (an ‘objective’ test) he could well be convicted. For example if the victim keeps hitting the offender once the offender was subdued the force is no longer reasonable.

In such serious cases the police would investigate and hand the file to Crown Law to determine where there should be a prosecution.
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October 13, 2019 8:31am
- peterwn
  
  oops – this should have been in response to cmm’s comment.
  
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  October 13, 2019 8:37am
- cmm
  
  He was up against two opponents. That should support the “life at risk” test.
  
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  October 13, 2019 8:43am
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    “Opponents”…… One ran like a steffy……
    
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    October 13, 2019 9:19am
    - Aliog
      
      Sorry Tall Man – accidental downtick because I was laughing so much!! ‘Ran like a steffy’ should enter the English language 🙂
      
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      October 13, 2019 2:11pm
- mark15
  
  Peterwn
  It will be interesting to see how the police prosecute this.
  I’ve an awful feeling he will be hung out to dry.
  Hope he shuts up.
  
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  October 13, 2019 9:00am
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    Police may prosecute, because they hate people who step on their monopoly. A jury won’t convict, but cost of defense is a bigger punishment than conviction
    
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    October 13, 2019 11:53am
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    If the assault is modest (Summary Offences Act but Crimes Act S48 – self defence still applies) then prosecution stays within the Police. If the assault is serious (so as to engage the Crimes Act), police will consult with Crown Law. Unfortunately Crown Law could be moved to prosecute even if there is a less than 50/50 chance of the prosecution. In any case being prosecuted even if acquitted is not good for your pocket.
    
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    October 13, 2019 12:12pm
  - morepork
    
    Been through this myself. After $5000 including lawyer and lost work time the judge threw it out without hearing my defense. The prosecuting sergeant basically wanted to root an old flame, the partner of one of the burglars
    
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    October 15, 2019 11:38am
Morrissey

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Whenever [Deleted – Mod] Rudy Giuliani turns up to Yankee Stadium, he gets booed resoundingly.

Look for both of these scumbags in upcoming editions of GroperWatch®.

http://morrisseybreen.blogspot.com/2019/10/giuliani-and-dershowitz-get-zero.html

[Mod: Take your hatred elsewhere Morrissey]
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October 13, 2019 8:37am
- Swifty
  
  Hate is what drives him – like many from the left.
  
  It is the source of his energy. It is his fuel.
  
  As others have said here ‘Conservatives just think the left wrong – the left think conservatives are evil.’
  
  And we’ve seen so often where this type of thinking leads…..
  
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  October 13, 2019 8:58am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  (that uptick is for the Mod…..sorry, if anyone thought it was for Morrissey)
  
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  October 13, 2019 8:58am
  - Brian Marshall
    
    Heh. Maggy, I almost did the same thing.
    
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    October 13, 2019 9:02am
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    Thanks for your support, Maggy!
    
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    October 13, 2019 9:44am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Mod: Please do the decent thing and ban this idiot.
  Thanks, The Captain.
  
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  October 13, 2019 9:04am
  - chaos
    
    Seems to be the trolls just get warnings now, one troll seems to get daily warnings and nothing done about it.
    
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    October 13, 2019 9:22am
  - Morrissey
    
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    I know you hate dissent, Cap’n, but you’re now in the realm of the ridiculous.
    
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    October 13, 2019 9:42am
  - Tall Man
    
    I don’t agree Captn.
    
    He provides insight into the mind of a nasty lefty abuser although I do object to the continual posting of his own blog site. Hugh often does the same.
    
    If people feel strongly enough then downtick but don’t respond to him and if he doesn’t get his jollies he will either calm down or fade away, much as most do with steffy these days.
    
    In my case, the mods just delete my comments when they don’t like them. In my mind, that reflects more on their sensitivities rather than on my “turn of phrase” 🙂
    
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    October 13, 2019 9:51am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    We actually like reading Breenies posts. My partners mum was telling us she knows him quite well from a ‘previous life’ 🙂
    
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    October 13, 2019 10:38am
    - Morrissey
      
      Good on you, Maggie. Bring your partner’s mom around to Chez Breen some time. Or just come by yourself if you prefer.
      
      https://media1.tenor.com/images/aedf0a83eba45622947b6c988131ded1/tenor.gif?itemid=4731328
      
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      October 13, 2019 1:10pm
- softail 1450
  
  Moronissey ,one hand on his bile the other on his bird, vigorously cleaning it without the aid of any soap….
  
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  October 13, 2019 10:22am
- kevn
  
  @morris minor, no, I have not read your offering, just downticked it though.
  Automatically do it. Just like silly septics ‘posts’.
  
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  October 13, 2019 11:01am
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    Don’t believe you, kev. Of course you read it.
    
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    October 13, 2019 12:58pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Cold weather hitting N.America
https://electroverse.net/just-count-the-cold-records-that-fell-over-the-past-24-hours/

https://www.theweathernetwork.com/ca/news/article/manitoba-snowstorm-impact-power-outages-and-travel-hassles
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October 13, 2019 8:43am
- cmm
  
  I hope Greta doesn’t his pack ice on her way home.
  
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  October 13, 2019 8:44am
  - Charmaine Hawke
    
    I believe she is flying back
    
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    October 13, 2019 8:55am
    - Tall Man
      
      Like the geese?
      
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      October 13, 2019 9:21am
    - cmm
      
      Powered by her purple aura?
      
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      October 13, 2019 3:55pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    How is she getting home?
    
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    October 13, 2019 8:56am
    - Brian Marshall
      
      I heard flying home. The yacht trip across the Atlantic was a publicity stunt and they had to fly a crew across from Europe to sail it back.
      
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      October 13, 2019 9:01am
      - softail 1450
        
        B M, It has been reported that Greta spent the whole trip across in the yacht violently ill ,and the doc on board was worried about her dehydrating badly.
        I genuinely hope she gets air sickness as well ,nothing worse than a screaming brat to put a man off his cornflakes..
        
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        October 13, 2019 10:28am
    - Rich Prick
      
      By whinging loudly. How dare you! You’ve stolen my business class seat. How dare you!
      
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      October 13, 2019 9:03am
      - Tall Man
        
        I would think it’ll be courtesy of “al gore” airlines or some other wanker supporter there to help her bludge.
        
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        October 13, 2019 9:24am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        You wouldn’t know you had arrived, the whinning would continue even when the engines had been shut down.
        
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        October 13, 2019 9:43am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Three hours in moderation
        
        About as popular as a rabbi at a bacon sandwich shop
        
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        October 13, 2019 12:08pm
    - chaos
      
      Hot air ballon, she sure would be full of enough gas for one.
      
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      October 13, 2019 9:19am
    - stephieboy
      
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      MW, I believe a Windjammer!
      
      “A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines. With consistency a great soul has simply nothing to do. He may as well concern himself with his shadow on the wa1l…”
      
      Ralph Waldo Emerson
      
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      October 13, 2019 9:20am
      - atomic drop
        
        Great. little Miss Muffet gets to jet around the world like the A list celebrities finger wagging us about carbon footprints ( only the white men though – China and India get a free pass.) etc according to stephiephag because hypocrisy is a sign of a great mind and intellect or something.
        
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        October 13, 2019 12:09pm
- stephieboy
  
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  MW,
  https://www.edf.org/climate/climate-change-and-extreme-weather
  
  Sigh!
  
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  October 13, 2019 9:30am
  - atomic drop
    
    I agree, Globalist right wingers like Ms Smarmy are making fools of themselves on this issue.
    
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    October 13, 2019 12:12pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  Freezing weather and power goes out. But this is exactly what The Greta and her abusers want. Morons.
  
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  October 13, 2019 10:27am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Canada breaking temperature records..
  https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/10/12/vancouver-has-coldest-oct-10-in-123-years-as-temperatures-tumble-across-b-c/
  
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  October 13, 2019 11:15am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Montreal….where snow doesn’t melt in “Summer”
    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/montreal-snow-dump-glacier-summer-ice-1.5316292
    
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    October 13, 2019 11:18am
    - sooty
      
      Dear oh dear, that blow the warming up the spout!
      
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      October 13, 2019 11:21am
    - atomic drop
      
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      Why do all you deniers do that? There is a random cold burst somewhere and you rush to post about it, thinking it proves global warming is a scam.
      
      You are making fools of yourselves.
      
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      October 13, 2019 11:56am
      - lifesgood
        
        And you, atomic drop, make fools of yourselves by claiming normal weather is the result of climate change. It has been proven that 74% of pacific islands have actually grown in size and that droughts, like Australia’s current one, are not the result of climate change. I could go on but can’t be bothered. Cling to your fantasies, it no doubt makes a boring life interesting.
        
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        October 13, 2019 12:14pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Why do all you deniers do that?
        What am I denying?
        
        I’m merely reporting record cold temperatures in N. America…. something the MSM here in NZ is reluctant to do.
        
        But how many times/day do we get reports of record hot temperatures/ rainfall/windspeeds for points across the Globe?
        
        I’ve had an interest in weather phenomena since I was 11 years old (55 years ago) and first wrote to the NZ Met Office for weather information for W(h)anganui.
        
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        October 13, 2019 12:17pm
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Not quite as foolish as the climate change fascists
        
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        October 13, 2019 12:18pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Whereas the climate change “disciples” are already fools…….
        
        Yep, we get it.
        
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        October 13, 2019 12:23pm
      - rockape
        
        I am not a climate denier but I do deny its a crisis, I do deny the earth has warmed as much as the Climate supporters say( if you take out theiir”adjusted” data) and I do de3ny it will have other than agood effect on mankind and food and plant production.
        
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        October 13, 2019 3:08pm
      - rangitoto
        
        We get it. When the weather is unusually hot that’s global warming (lets pretend to call it climate change). When it is unusually cold then that is global warming. A chap named Karl Popper had something to say about that kind of theory.
        
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        October 13, 2019 4:38pm
  - chaos
    
    Love this comment
    
    * Hm. Seems to me that the right way to put this is to announce that this was the 123rd warmest December 10 in the last 123 years.*
    
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    October 13, 2019 11:21am
- MCos
  
  Never mind North America it’s not too tropical in NZ today.
  
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  October 13, 2019 12:22pm
chaos

Another stuff up by a useless government

* School camps could be canned because of burdensome new guidelines for what does and doesn’t count as a school donation, say some principals.

But the Ministry of Education says the new guidelines, part of the rollout of the Government’s “scrapping” of school donations, just set out what the law has been for the last thirty years – that state education should always be free…….

School camps, should they contain any part of the curriculum, cannot be compulsorily charged for, according to the new guidelines. Schools should instead make clear that payments for camp are voluntary donations……..

Principal Lorraine Taylor said this put her in a double bind as she will be competing with schools that won’t need to ask for donations.

She would likely have to cancel her school camp next year as it was clearly part of the curriculum but she doubted enough parents would pay for it.*

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/116519298/new-guidelines-for-what-schools-can-and-cant-ask-for-will-see-school-camps-cancelled-principals-say
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October 13, 2019 9:18am
- Prince
  
  Bloody parents always getting in the way of the union and teachers, , always wanting the best for their kids.
  Don’t they know how important education is ? … I mean for other kids … I mean the parents who want the best for their kids and can afford it must be reined in so their kids are treated as badly as those whose parents don’t care …I mean, everyone must be reduced to the lowest common denominator …Oh you know what I mean. Let’s do this.
  
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  October 13, 2019 12:31pm
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A good job as John Tamihere is forced to swallow a rat and shed crocodile tears after his thumping last might.

A harbinger for 2020?

Vanity, vanity all is vanity saith the preacher!

Ecclesiastes 1
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October 13, 2019 9:27am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Bloody Racist!!
  
  – MaggiePie 10
  
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  October 13, 2019 1:14pm
  - sooty
    
    Thick as a brick as well!
    
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    October 13, 2019 6:47pm
  - HemiT
    
    It was a weird comment but there was nothing racist
    
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    October 13, 2019 10:13pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  Goff and Tamihere were as authoritarian as each other. Goff against free speech, Tamihere against landlords’ rights (plus his crappy misogynist comments on that radio show).
  
  Both total crap.
  
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  October 13, 2019 4:14pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Shit at the top of Auckland… Like the sewer at the top of the bridge.
    
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    October 13, 2019 9:02pm
Simon

Rugby world cup in China has turned to custard. Lost all momentum heading into 1/4 finals. It had been quiet good until then.

Think the Chinese / Rugby World people could have organized another ground. Bullet train and off to somewhere else.
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October 13, 2019 9:33am
- calendar girl
  
  Japan anyone?
  
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  October 13, 2019 10:16pm
MH

Let’s regrope….she missed out on the nubile Piece prize so what about having a crack at something else….writing …her book then ?
The Pullhertit… no… Booker T and the MG’s..Magaret Mahy’s young adults..no too close to the bone there, come on Labour Let’s do this.
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October 13, 2019 9:52am
Tall Man

I posted this elsewhere but I feel it is still relevant to the question “why are lefties so filled with hate”..

“In NZ it’s because they only have infrequent turns in charge so feel they have to do as much damage and deliver as much hate as possible as quickly as possible.

New Zealand is currently a country divided and that plays into the hands of vicious scum like ardern and “what’s in it for wynston”. Neither of these party leaders have the faintest regard for our country and will sacrifice all and sundry for their own personal aims.”

Hi mods…. This gives you two opportunities to “delete me”.
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October 13, 2019 9:53am
- chaos
  
  Some good videos
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiVQ8vrGA_8
  
  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCDb4InP9mRZR9oogD1b2dOQ
  
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  October 13, 2019 12:29pm
- stephieboy
  
  Tall Man, NZ love it or leave it!
  
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  October 13, 2019 4:18pm
- greybeard
  
  So true.
  Thanks.
  
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  October 13, 2019 6:34pm
slightlyrighty

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/116519298/new-guidelines-for-what-schools-can-and-cant-ask-for-will-see-school-camps-cancelled-principals-say

Unintended consequence of rushed, kneejerk ideological legislation.

It’s our kids education they are screwing with.

The net result of this for my sons school will be a reduction in funding by $250 per student.
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October 13, 2019 10:48am
Hugh Pavletich

NEW ZEALAND …

A wrap of the not so politically sexy work underway to increase the supply of houses… eventually … Jenee Tibshraeny … Interest Co NZ

https://www.interest.co.nz/opinion/102094/wrap-not-so-politically-sexy-work-underway-increase-supply-houses-eventually

By Jenée Tibshraeny

Any resolute folk out there still holding their breath over the Government making real headway addressing the housing crisis, please come up for air.

Change is on the horizon, but it’s taking time.

The Government has successfully pushed through policy changes aimed at curbing housing demand – particularly by speculators.

But the crucial supply-side reforms key to unlocking land for development, funding infrastructure, getting large-scale government-led developments built, and sharing risk in a way that doesn’t stifle development are a wee way off. … read more via hyperlink above …
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… Housing is by far and away the major public policy issue in New Zealand ( extensive further background info via http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org ) …

IPSOS New Zealand Issues Monitor – July 2019

https://www.ipsos.com/en-nz/ipsos-new-zealand-issues-monitor-july-2019
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October 13, 2019 10:50am
Maggie Pie

My partners 16-year-old nephew popped in to see us last night. It’s his last term at Kings. He was telling us he’s hoping to get a job as a pizza delivery boy or a plumber. My partner told him he needs to stop watching porn.
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October 13, 2019 10:58am
- chaos
  
  What else is he meant to do with the free school wifi then?
  
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  October 13, 2019 12:10pm
- Martin Williams
  
  That’s about all King’s College produces well.
  
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  October 13, 2019 5:23pm
- HemiT
  
  re:
  
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  October 13, 2019 10:26pm
Yvette

For over an hour Newshub runs a headline “Quake hits Tokyo as Super Typhoon Hagibis makes landfall” with no detail regarding the quake – Magnitude 5.7 earthquake jolts Chiba-Tokyo area, JapanTimes – hit 12 hours ago.

Perhaps if they got rid of the rubbish under “Trending” and “Because it matters” (most of which doesn’t matter) – they could see what they are doing and what news is missing.
Maybe they are all busy writing reactions now to this evening’s Reid poll.

Newshub, one of the worst local online “news” sites.
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October 13, 2019 11:24am
- chaos
  
  Oh good, I thought it was just me and I was missing anything about the earthquake, gave up looking and went to google to read about it
  
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  October 13, 2019 12:17pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Message to PTPM and you commies out there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACXTTfE4GxM
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October 13, 2019 11:30am
- stephieboy
  
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  Socialism ?? Ok, privatise our “socialist” Road Infrastructure, Hospitals and Health System, Coastal and air rescue, Police and other Emergency services etc, etc
  
  The ignorant latino presenter is comparing apples and pears.
  
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  October 13, 2019 12:13pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Idiot. It is a message to PTPM and commies. You must be the latter.
    
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    October 13, 2019 2:44pm
    - Tall Man
      
      We seem to be lacking in downtickers for steffy girl.
      
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      October 13, 2019 6:49pm
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Haha, Stuffy, the Venezuelan govt. telling shop owners they musn’t keep up with inflation or else their shop will be stolen!! Sounds so like Tamihere not wanting landlords to keep up with inflation.
    
    Now, for the things you listed. Perhaps the *absolute basics* are really needed by every Kiwi and thus should be tax funded. But beyond that: low taxation, let people choose what they need.
    
    * Road Infrastructure: in Japan huge numbers of roads are paid for by tolls. Use it – pay for it.
    
    * Hospitals and Health System: I’m at a time of life where health insurance would be impossible to afford, but the public system is keeping me on endless waiting lists. How about laws that ensure everyone *can* get insurance, but beyond that leave it up to them to decide how much.
    
    Apart from that, I’ve seen enough of the ‘health system’ to know that huge amounts of tax money are wasted on it.
    
    * Coastal and air rescue: should all Kiwis pay for people rich enough to play around on the water? Or people running a fishing business?
    
    *Police: OK, but again they have taken my tax money without doing a good job at all when my house was burgled. Private monitoring is still required by most people. So don’t tax us for more than any basic help Police actually do give.
    
    *Other Emergency services: Fire: OK, but a lot of that is voluntary work already. Ambulance: they charge people for needing them.
    
    *etc, etc: What etc? Why should I be paying for any tax funded entertainment I may not be interested in (sport, music, TV). Let’s all keep more of our tax and make our own choices.
    
    Benefits: absolute minimum for unemployment. A bit more help for long-term sickness. Solo parenting treated completely as unemployment, no option of long-term solo parenting paid for by taxpayers.
    
    Schooling: less tax, more parental choice about what schools are actually working.
    
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    October 13, 2019 5:02pm
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* Californians Learning That Solar Panels Don’t Work in Blackouts

Californians have embraced rooftop solar panels more than anyone in the U.S., but many are learning the hard way the systems won’t keep the lights on during blackouts.

That’s because most panels are designed to supply power to the grid — not directly to houses. During the heat of the day, solar systems can crank out more juice than a home can handle. Conversely, they don’t produce power at all at night. So systems are tied into the grid, and the vast majority aren’t working this week as PG&E Corp. cuts power to much of Northern California to prevent wildfires.*

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-10-10/californians-learning-that-solar-panels-don-t-work-in-blackouts
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October 13, 2019 11:32am
- stephieboy
  
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  chaos, so?
  
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  October 13, 2019 12:14pm
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    It adds this,
    
    “…The only way for most solar panels to work during a blackout is pairing them with batteries. That market is just starting to take off. Sunrun Inc., the largest U.S. rooftop solar company, said some of its customers are making it through the blackouts with batteries, but it’s a tiny group — countable in the hundreds.
    
    “It’s the perfect combination for getting through these shutdowns,” Sunrun Chairman Ed Fenster said in an interview. He expects battery sales to boom in the wake of the outages…”
    
    Also, consider NZ where I understand domestic solar panels connect directly into home hot water supply etc
    
    https://www.energywise.govt.nz/at-home/solar-electricity/solar-electricity-systems/
    
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    October 13, 2019 12:21pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Yep, and those Electric vehicles have hit a snag…
  https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/10/11/some-californians-are-buying-gas-powered-generators-to-power-electric-vehicles-during-blackouts/
  
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  October 13, 2019 12:20pm
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    MW, of course, that would be the case and also given EV vehicles are rapidly developing technology improving all the time! With various advantages and disadvantages like any new technologies
    
    https://www.eecabusiness.govt.nz/technologies/electric-vehicles/benefits-and-considerations/
    
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    October 13, 2019 12:27pm
- MCos
  
  By definition the sun shines during daylight hours. A good percentage of household electricity is consumed after sunset.
  There is little point in installing a solar system without storage batteries adequate to cope at least with typical usage.
  If you live in an area prone to power cuts or off the grid altogether I’d have thought you would take out a loan and install more batteries
  
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  October 13, 2019 12:45pm
  - chaos
    
    you would think they would but alas seems the majority haven’t. That is one of the positives about people not running into solar panels so fast here, the technology caught up to where they could store the electricity for night time.
    
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    October 13, 2019 3:01pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Alexa.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slO0Uzk6u_w
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October 13, 2019 11:44am
- stephieboy
  
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  A gathering of red necks?
  
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  October 13, 2019 12:16pm
  - igm
    
    You once again show what a left-wing mong you are.
    Rednecks are sunburned hard-working decent members of society . . . something a supporter of islam does not understand.
    
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    October 13, 2019 1:21pm
    - stephieboy
      
      igm, red knecks are … and smelly too!
      
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      October 13, 2019 4:15pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Hard workers and TAXPAYERS. Something you know nothing of. Now fuck off
    
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    October 13, 2019 2:45pm
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There be method in moderators apparent unwillingness to pass my posts this morning?
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October 13, 2019 12:00pm
- Swifty
  
  Yes, it’s a conspiracy against you.
  
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  October 13, 2019 1:00pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Maybe it’s because you are a fucking idiot!
  
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  October 13, 2019 2:46pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    ~~Maybe~~
    
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    October 13, 2019 4:16pm
Maggie Pie

GIVE THAT MAN A CIGAR! 🙂

https://twitter.com/BillClinton/status/1182816693283966976
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October 13, 2019 12:01pm
- Morrissey
  
  …he still cleans up pretty well.
  
  LOL. He didn’t clean up very well after granting an audience to Ms Lewinski a quarter of a century ago.
  
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  October 13, 2019 1:03pm
Lee C

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October 13, 2019 12:59pm
- Cobolt24
  
  Good point
  
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  October 13, 2019 8:26pm
Maggie Pie

BLACK PANTIES MATTER.
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October 13, 2019 2:22pm
- chaos
  
  Especially for elderly and and lefties, saves on bleach
  
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  October 13, 2019 3:29pm
- Tall Man
  
  Only when they’re in the way…………..
  
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  October 13, 2019 6:46pm
RW Capitalist

Random Sunday musings:
Life is like a painting, the bigger the painting, the bigger the life.
However
You will need a big nail (qualification) to hang this big painting.
You will also need a hammer (the education system) to drive that nail into the wall.
The bigger the nail the harder and more often you will need to hit the nail.
The hammer doesn’t change, choose your nail carefully and hammer as hard as you can.
The key word in all this is YOU and how much effort YOU put in (to anything).
Start today!!!
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October 13, 2019 2:37pm
- Tall Man
  
  Whatever you are taking…… Stop now!
  
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  October 13, 2019 6:44pm
RW Capitalist

Idea I use for Halloween.
1. Don’t be miserable….participate.
2. Collect all the give away toys from McD’s and the supermarkets.
Give away the toys you collected, the parents love it…no sugar rush, no extra expense for you and the kids love it.
Happy times.
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October 13, 2019 3:13pm
chaos

Absolute shame that such a character is needed on Sesame Street

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=18&v=e3eluCuEtHk
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October 13, 2019 3:25pm
MH

If I had a hammer
I’d hammer in the morning
I’d hammer in the evening
All over this land
I’d hammer out danger
I’d hammer out a warning
I’d hammer out love between
My brothers and my sisters, ah-ah
All over this land

then I’d start building a few houses…..but I’d never quantify how many

Trini lopez
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October 13, 2019 3:50pm
Martin Williams

I see the Jacinda lost the Nobel peace prize. She put on that hijab and everything and she still lost out to some other towel-head from Ethiopia.

Can’t she do anything right?
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October 13, 2019 4:04pm
- calendar girl
  
  She wasn’t even eligible this year. You would think that our leftie media people would research such facts before they publish even more lies to promote our PriNZess.
  
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  October 13, 2019 10:27pm
TWEEDSE

Regie Dwight says of Jacinda ” I think she’s doing a brilliant job”. Confirmation that he was a better performer and clearer thinking when he was off his face on drugs than sober now.
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October 13, 2019 4:19pm
- sooty
  
  Who’s he when he’s home?
  Never heard of him!
  
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  October 13, 2019 8:55pm
  - TWEEDSE
    
    Reginald Dwight is Elton John’s birth name.
    
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    October 14, 2019 8:20am
noskire

“I suppose it is tempting, if the only tool you have is a hammer, to treat everything as if it were a nail.” – Abraham Maslow
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October 13, 2019 5:26pm
Happychappy

If you look at what Andy Foster has stated like they will revisit the 6.5 billion transport plan that Julie Anne Genter won’t release the email that she sent. Well the 6 % they showed in today’s poll might not look so good next time. Labour will find it hard to regain the confidence of the people after this poll as the lies that have been told creates a stigma which will be hard to shake.
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October 13, 2019 6:22pm
DigNap15

A big drop in the TV3 poll for Labour and Ardern and NZ First.
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October 13, 2019 6:27pm
- MrsAnnie
  
  Ones poll tomorrow might tell us even more, hopefully it will show National will be in the box seat to govern. Winstons supporters are jumping the leaking ship, it looked like even Winston wasn’t believing his BS tonight. Act on 2 MPs was telling. 250,000 Gun owners could swing the election.
  
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  October 13, 2019 7:11pm
  - Swifty
    
    This is not good for Labour.
    
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    October 13, 2019 8:45pm
- Hard Cheese
  
  Oh dear, so sad.
  
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  October 13, 2019 7:18pm
- Gravelroad
  
  But not for the ghastly Greens.
  Makes you wonder what it would take for the ordinary voter out there to see the Greens for what they really are: Marxist incompetents who want to rule your lives.
  
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  October 13, 2019 7:30pm
- stephieboy
  
  But the Newshub-Reid Research Po poll indicates that Labour could still govern with the Greens based on that poll!.
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/10/jacinda-ardern-labour-take-massive-tumble-in-new-newshub-reid-research-poll.html
  
  The Nats still need a viable COL partner!
  
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  October 13, 2019 8:03pm
Monique Watson

Jacinda takes some lumps. Fall in the polls. Because it’s the most arrogant, least transparent government ever.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/10/jacinda-ardern-labour-take-massive-tumble-in-new-newshub-reid-research-poll.amp.html
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October 13, 2019 6:34pm
rightoverlabour

Hmm, NOAA, dodgy as, it seems….

https://electroverse.net/the-top-climate-scientist-who-exposed-noaa-as-frauds/
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October 13, 2019 8:17pm
- stephieboy
  
  Not so! The UK Press standards findings against theThe Daily Mail fake news regarding Dr Gates allegations,
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2017/feb/09/whistleblower-i-knew-people-would-misuse-this-they-did-to-attack-climate-science
  
  Their findings against the Mail,
  
  https://www.ipso.co.uk/rulings-and-resolution-statements/ruling/?id=01032-17
  
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  October 13, 2019 10:38pm
MrsAnnie

In the coming months we will see the Nats ahead of Greens and Labour combined, just as we did at the last election. The difference will be a sub 5% Winston. NZ First can not get over 5% whilst it remains in the coalition.
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October 13, 2019 8:51pm
- chaos
  
  NZ First always gain more on election night, greens always lose a few percent on election night
  
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  October 13, 2019 9:51pm
Colville

Japan win one of the hardest fought games you could ever see.

Great result on many levels.
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