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Maggie Pie

Well at least now we know whats she’s been doing all this time 🙂

https://twitter.com/AllenAndUnwinNZ/status/1181676019675062272
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October 11, 2019 8:04am
- MrTips
  
  MrsTips is the most apolitical creature you could find. Even she said “What? She’s done nothing but talk!”
  
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  October 11, 2019 8:11am
- Tony Stuart
  
  When you search “michelle duff jacinda ardern baby” on Google, these are the first two results that come up:
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/parenting/baby/104917524/michelle-duff-jacinda-ardern-had-a-baby-and-we-should-all-be-proud
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/parenting/113463696/the-important-legacy-of-prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-having-a-baby-while-in-office
  
  I think it’s safe to assume that this will be a once-over-lightly “biography”, which will appeal to Women’s Weekly readers and primary school girls. I strongly suspect Ms Duff won’t go anywhere near any controversial issues, like summer camp pests, in-office sex predators, promises not kept and the Year of (non) Delivery.
  
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  October 11, 2019 8:20am
  - MrTips
    
    You mean like Brian Edwards hagiography of Helen Clark in her first term? You tell me H1 isn’t running Cindy….
    
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    October 11, 2019 8:43am
    - sooty
      
      Who is Michelle Duff?
      
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      October 11, 2019 9:21am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        From her website:
        
        Kia ora! I’m a journalist from New Zealand.
        
        I like eating, drinking, dancing, travel, politics, arts, people and culture, and endeavour to write about all of these.
        
        http://www.michelleduff.com/about
        
        Does that tell you all you need to know?
        
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        October 11, 2019 9:27am
      - sooty
        
        How come the usual pram pushers never got to write Cindys memiors?
        Where they not good enough, or too busy writing shit, to fit it in?
        
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        October 11, 2019 9:33am
      - sooty
        
        Were’s the tea towel?
        
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        October 11, 2019 11:54am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Lets play ‘CHAPTER TITLES’ 🙂
  
  Chapter 1: Something Fishy
  
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  October 11, 2019 8:26am
  - kowtow
    
    Chapter 2
    
    White Lines
    
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    October 11, 2019 9:09am
    - oldgolfer
      
      Battered or Crumbed?
      
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      October 11, 2019 9:46am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Where does ‘Red Songs’ fit in?
      
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      October 11, 2019 10:16am
    - freethinker
      
      Chapter 3 – Rehab
      
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      October 11, 2019 10:31am
    - Ruawai
      
      Chapter 3: Look a baby
      
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      October 11, 2019 10:32am
    - niggly
      
      Chapter 4 – Comrades, Comrades, Comrades: My time as President of International Socialist Youth.
      
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      October 11, 2019 11:51am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Chapter 4: Karel and Me; Read Between the Lines
      
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      October 11, 2019 11:57am
      - hookerphil
        
        Chapter 5 : How to organise a review
        
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        October 11, 2019 12:52pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11927034
    
    A refusal of praise is a desire to be praised twice.
    Francois de La Rochefoucauld
    How about we plagiarize Francois here for a chapter.
    
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    October 11, 2019 9:22am
  - kowtow
    
    Chapter 3.
    
    Cancelled cheque.
    
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    October 11, 2019 9:43am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Chapter 3
    
    The Minister and the Phone Call
    
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    October 11, 2019 9:48am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Chapter X
    
    Jet lag!
    
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    October 11, 2019 10:26am
  - Fletch
    
    Nah, Chapter 1 would be, “The Rebel: Dad, I don’t want to go to church any more”…
    
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    October 11, 2019 10:34am
  - chaos
    
    Chapters 10 to 30, how to cover up up sexual abuse and rape within your office and party
    
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    October 11, 2019 10:47am
  - MrTips
    
    Chapter 6: There’s no poverdy on a 757, or in the UN limo. Absoludley.
    
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    October 11, 2019 3:35pm
- Rich Prick
  
  So Duff stapled 50 copies of Womens’ Weekly together, big deal.
  
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  October 11, 2019 8:49am
  - sooty
    
    Be interesting to see how long before it hits the bargin bin at the warehouse!
    Do you think before christmas?
    
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    October 11, 2019 9:18am
- pdm
  
  `Extraordinary’
  
  Does that mean the same as Odd or Incompetent?
  
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  October 11, 2019 8:53am
- JibberJabber
  
  From the moment I picked your book up until I laid it down, I was convulsed with laughter. Someday I intend reading it.’
  ~Groucho Marx
  
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  October 11, 2019 8:54am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    My kinda Marxist
    
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    October 11, 2019 9:02am
  - Random Punter
    
    “This is not a book to be tossed aside lightly. It should be thrown with great force.” (Dorothy Parker)
    
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    October 11, 2019 10:55am
- Maggie Pie
  
  My partner retweets – LOL!!
  
  https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGgR_aHUYAAYa8v?format=jpg&neme=900×900
  
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  October 11, 2019 9:11am
  - sooty
    
    Your partner has to much time on his hands!
    
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    October 11, 2019 9:34am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    …edit function not working try again
    
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGgR_aHUYAAYa8v?format=jpg&name=900×900
    
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    October 11, 2019 9:56am
    - chaos
      
      Hmmm, why do I feel like I need to place a bet at the tab
      
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      October 11, 2019 10:55am
  - Tall Man
    
    Maggie, your links seldom work for me. Do you chop something off the link or is my laptop set to “avoid” being upset?
    
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    October 11, 2019 9:57am
- Tony Norriss
  
  Is it limited to words of five letters and under, and does it include a colouring-in section?
  
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  October 11, 2019 9:20am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    There is a sachet of glitter inside that will invariably split and go everywhere when you open the tome.
    
    Adhern, pissing you off to the nth degree once again.
    
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    October 11, 2019 9:50am
  - chaos
    
    Does it teach labour members where are safe zones to touch someone and if you go past the safe zone how to get away with it?
    
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    October 11, 2019 10:56am
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  Will this be a colouring in book? Will we have to read between the lines? Will there be a chapter about Karel? Inquiring minds want to know!
  
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  October 11, 2019 9:22am
- tf78
  
  It will be a very short book, large type and lots of pictures, with a colouring in section for kids.
  
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  October 11, 2019 9:23am
  - Rich Prick
    
    Font: Bold Crayon.
    
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    October 11, 2019 10:16am
    - sooty
      
      You are so funny and so accurate!
      
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      October 11, 2019 10:23am
- Classic Liberal
  
  The sheer arrogance of even allowing one’s biography to be published at that age! Surely one’s 60s-80s are the time for it?
  
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  October 11, 2019 10:20am
  - Ruawai
    
    And only 2 years on the job. Very high opinion of oneself or maybe she realises she is at her peak now and needs to capitalise before her almighty fall.
    
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    October 11, 2019 10:37am
- chaos
  
  What, no hajib on the front cover, oh well it will be in there. Keys book was interesting, he’d lived a life and and a lot to talk about, won’t even use this crap as toilet paper.
  
  Don’t rush out and buy the book people. Labour being labour will accidentally put it online, and even then no one will want it
  
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  October 11, 2019 10:46am
- Graham Sharpe
  
  I suspect it will be one of those books that Muldoon used to classify as “Once you put this book down it’s hard to pick it up.”
  
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  October 11, 2019 12:04pm
Yvette

Maria Dew QC, investigating the Labour sex assault complaints, was expected to report directly to Ardern in three weeks [– last Monday] https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12268112

So, the Dew review is now four days over-due.
Perhaps “it is a little complex” – like Ihumatoa
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October 11, 2019 8:05am
- igm
  
  No, Labour and Ardern do not like the findings so she has been sent back to try again!
  
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  October 11, 2019 8:13am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    They were never going to release the findings I think. It was 100% internal.
    
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    October 11, 2019 8:44am
- Wangas Feral
  
  Must have something to do with all the stuff between the lines that has to be read.
  
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  October 11, 2019 8:17am
- peterwn
  
  The report was commissioned for Jacinda’s personal benefit. Do not expect too much to come out of it.
  
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  October 11, 2019 8:25am
  - sooty
    
    Never going to see the light of day either!
    It was just Cindy big mouthing!
    Was it even commissioned, just making noises!
    They know who, when, how, so what was to gain?
    Bullshit and bluster!
    
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    October 11, 2019 9:25am
- Luke Piewalker
  
  @Yvette … the report has to be rewritten in crayon for Cindy
  
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  October 11, 2019 8:48am
  - plc
    
    “But….but….have you seen my new book?”
    
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    October 11, 2019 9:06am
  - sooty
    
    Had some pretty pictures too!
    
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    October 11, 2019 9:25am
- Paulus
  
  Who paid Dew to do this please ?
  Am I wrong in assuming it is the Taxpayer again ?
  
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  October 11, 2019 1:30pm
AgainstTheFlow

Keeping up with this Government’s continual failures is both exhausting and depressing – in equal parts.
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October 11, 2019 8:10am
- Lizziep
  
  I agree AgainstTheFlow. It is very depressing and the lack of ‘climate change’ from winter/spring to spring/ summer has added to the depression/exhaustion. Everywhere you read is the COLs major lack of ability to actually run the country for New Zealanders. Its like the Labour Party COL hate us all and want to destroy our way of life
  
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  October 11, 2019 9:01am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    ” Its like the Labour Party COL hate us all and want to destroy our way of life”
    
    Yes, as do the Greens. According to them, the traditional Kiwi lifestyle uses way too much space, energy and meat.
    
    The globalist Left/Green view is that world resources are very limited and must be evenly shared.
    
    So: Kiwis need to realise they are too well off and must share: space, food, carbon ‘allowance’.
    
    Because the world belongs to everyone, Kiwis should obviously stop having children altogether, so that we can make space or at least produce food for those whose culture demands that they keep overbreeding.
    
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    October 11, 2019 10:35am
softail 1450

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Christopher Luxton proves he has no political sense even before he starts lobbying for a spot in Nationals lineup, FFS he goes around the Country spouting off about turning Whenuapai into a civilian airport..
Is he that thick that he doesn’t realize that the flight path at both ends of that airport houses probably the largest population of rich influential people in our Country,the very people he needs to vote for his party, the F——–g idiot.
At least J L R possesses rat cunning if nothing else….
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October 11, 2019 8:14am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Regional flying (up to about 1000km) is on the cusp of a big revolution with small electric turboprops entering service in 2-3 years at half the operating cost of conventional planes. Smaller vtol air-taxi planes of 2-300km range will enter service about the same time at something like $20-30 per 100km per passenger – about the same as Uber.
  
  Point is that these are small and quiet planes that don’t need light runways, and can service everything in NZ except international flights.
  
  Here’s one smaller example in development: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7mc3C19kE4
  
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  October 11, 2019 8:34am
  - srylands
    
    A “turboprop” is a propeller driven by a turbine engine. There is no such thing as an “electric turboprop” and there never will be. There may be light electric powered planes. However I am unaware of any commuter planes on the horizon powered by electricity. I mean planes that can carry at least 30 people with a range of at least 400 kilometres.
    
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    October 11, 2019 9:31am
  - alloytoo
    
    hmmm I’m not sure how the obstacles facing EV’s don’t apply to EA’s.
    
    Lift capacity and range require larger batteries, larger batteries weight more, and don’t ever weight less (whereas liquid fuel loads do) and VTOL requires even more energy.
    
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    October 11, 2019 9:54am
- Lance
  
  Or maybe most people think that those who build houses on EXISTING flight paths and then moan about aircraft movements are self centred assholes who want their cake and to eat it too.
  
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  October 11, 2019 8:36am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Cue Western Springs Speedway
    
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    October 11, 2019 9:53am
- Steve Todd
  
  Luxon.
  
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  October 11, 2019 8:46am
- srylands
  
  I can’t see the problem. Firstly, it would be a secondary airport. So the volumes would be modest. Secondly, looking at a satellite image, I can’t see many houses within a thousand metres of the end of the main runway.
  
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  October 11, 2019 9:24am
  - softail 1450
    
    srylands “1000 metres” FFS at 1 km the planes are at near tree height.it doesn’t worry me personally because I don’t live under that flight path but of course neither does fricking luxton, if the entitled shite did he wouldn’t have made the stupid statement.
    I’m a National supporter to the hilt but that party doesn’t need more entitled chosen clones,it needs a few free thinking newbies…
    
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    October 11, 2019 10:26am
    - srylands
      
      At 1 km the planes will be at 1600 feet. When they pass the first houses at 2 km heading north on the main runway they will be at 2400 feet. That is not tree height.
      
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      October 11, 2019 1:08pm
      - Tony Stuart
        
        It’s certainly not Shane Jones tree height; they are barely the height of a sofa full of neffs!
        
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        October 11, 2019 2:34pm
- Chris R
  
  Yes, but they are also the people most likely to fly frequently. I think the Whenuapai move would be a great one.
  
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  October 11, 2019 9:28am
- srylands
  
  A further point is that New Zealand can’t afford to waste infrastructure. A secondary airport can offer competition by keeping landing fees and fares down.
  
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  October 11, 2019 10:01am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Luxon is already showing he’s a bother to the incompetent COL.
  
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  October 11, 2019 10:37am
- Local Miller
  
  Actually this isn’t quite true. The runway runs almost NE – SW. To the SW is open agricultural land largely, and NE you have Greenhithe just south of the approach line, the the next residential area is Albany which is also actually slightly south of the approach line. If they route planes in from the North, most would swing just north of Albany.
  
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  October 11, 2019 11:53am
calendar girl

Or Maria Dew’s report has been delayed so as not to affect Jacinda’s prospect today of the Nobel Peace Prize.
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October 11, 2019 8:17am
Happychappy

When will the Law Charge Nicky Hagar with earning a living off crime as it always seems to be he is the poor person that has been wronged and the NZ Taxpayer ends up footing the bill.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/10/nzsis-unlawfully-helped-defence-force-target-journalist-nicky-hager-s-source.html
If a person grows cannabis or imports drugs they rightly lose all there property through the crime act, Nicky receives stolen property knowingly and makes money out of it.
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October 11, 2019 8:19am
- Rich Prick
  
  To be fair, I don’t think it was that much of an earner. The books were in the $2 bin within 48 hours.
  
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  October 11, 2019 9:23am
  - sooty
    
    But it’s in pride of place in any lefties bookshelf!
    On the floor!
    
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    October 11, 2019 9:37am
  - Tall Man
    
    I thought they were “perforated” for ease of use…..
    
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    October 11, 2019 10:01am
- MCos
  
  https://twitter.com/morgangodfery/status/1182137869617352706?s=21
  
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  October 11, 2019 10:28am
Yvette

When Winston became aware of superannuation overpayments, he immediately dropped what he was doing in Wellington, and flew (possibly at our expense, but what the hell) to Auckland to personally arrange repayment within 24 hours.
“I subsequently received a letter from the area manager thanking me for my prompt attention and confirming that the matter was concluded to the Ministry’s satisfaction.
“I am grateful to the Ministry for their courtesy and the professional and understanding way they handled this error. Like the Ministry I believed the matter had been put to rest … I just said, ‘give me the total figure and I’ll pay it off immediately.'”

And now that his Government has become aware it has a $7.5 billion overpayment …
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October 11, 2019 8:21am
- Lizziep
  
  Yvette, brilliant well done.
  
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  October 11, 2019 9:03am
- chaos
  
  Ah most of of that is simply creative accounting, grant learned from his dad I guess. Hey we need to look positive can we change the way we value our useless rail system
  
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  October 11, 2019 10:59am
Maggy Wassilieff

Katie Hopkins:
#ExtinctionRebellion asked to see my underwear.
https://twitter.com/KTHopkins/status/1181210667820310529
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October 11, 2019 8:26am
- kowtow
  
  Talking of extremists , here’s an excellent comment from the UK Daily Telegraph on same.
  
  A tad long but worth it.
  
  “XR has a hardcore programme of revolution. As Richard Walton former Head of the Metropolitan Police Counter-Terrorism Command notes XR are an environmental resistance group with links to anarchist groups and violent terrorist groups.
  “The ‘civil resistance model’ they espouse is intended to achieve mass protest accompanied by law-breaking — leading eventually to the breakdown of democracy and the state. Obscured from public view, these objectives mark Extinction Rebellion’s campaign out as an extremist one that seeks to break down the established civil order and liberal democracy in the UK”.
  They recruit claiming to use the Ghandian ethos of passive protest to swell their ranks. They are in fact linked to anarchist groups such as the Anarchist Communist Group (ACG) and Rising Up.
  As Walton notes:
  “Many followers of Extinction Rebellion are completely unaware of this secondary objective, despite it being readily espoused by their leaders in YouTube posts of their speeches and in their publications. Celebrities, politicians and members of the public have been seduced into believing that Extinction Rebellion’s methods and tactics are honourable and justified, when clearly they are not”.
  Its aim is to “destroy capitalism” and our democracy – and its environmental demands are merely a move towards that.
  A report published by Walton shows that XR aims to achieve a total breakdown of the state and democracy and to achieve “a fundamental change of the political and economic system”.
  According to Rising Up’s manifesto, all private businesses must be abolished and it should be “illegal for any enterprise other than the state and local co-operatives to create the nation’s money”.
  One of Rising Up’s founders, Roger Hallam, is a key figure in XR. He says that XR “will bring [the Government] down and create a democracy fit for purpose and yes, some may die in the process”.
  The Red Brigade pays homage to the original left-wing terrorist organization, based in Italy, responsible for numerous violent incidents, including assassinations, kidnapping and robberies during the so-called “Years of Lead”. Formed in 1970, the organization sought to create a “revolutionary” state through armed struggle, and to remove Italy from the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. The Red Brigades attained notoriety in the 1970s and early 1980s with their violent attempts to destabilise Italy by acts of sabotage.”
  
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  October 11, 2019 8:55am
  - Jules99
    
    ‘Anarchist Communist Group’
    
    The must be a confused group – anarchists are hard right no government, communists are hard left big government.
    
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    October 11, 2019 10:51am
  - tranquil
    
    So, XR are just Antifa.
    Same people, different name.
    
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    October 11, 2019 10:54am
- Albert_Ross
  
  Bit like watching England vs Australia. I despise both sides so much I cannot decide who I most want to lose
  
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  October 11, 2019 9:19am
  - kowtow
    
    Why do you bother then?
    
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    October 11, 2019 9:47am
    - Albert_Ross
      
      Fair question, to which the answer is I usually don’t. In the case of this Hopkins vs XR agitator I wish I hadn’t, it left me nauseated
      
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      October 11, 2019 12:10pm
cmm

So EVs are struggling even with all the handouts.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/news/116490124/dyson-scraps-electric-car-project

Tesla scoops something like $US37k per car they make.
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October 11, 2019 8:26am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  These handouts are supporting crony capitalism!
  
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  October 11, 2019 8:43am
- Maggie Pie
  
  So, Dyson admits his cars suck more than his vacuum cleaners 🙂
  
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  October 11, 2019 8:50am
- Inandout
  
  cmm, Tesla’s ‘creator’ is being sued for apparently spouting libelous stuff about a Mr Unsworth. The EV, if I had one, would be traded for a petrol vehicle because the wheels are coming off the electrics.
  
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  October 11, 2019 8:52am
  - cmm
    
    Musk never saw a trough he didn’t like. The deeper the better.
    
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    October 11, 2019 9:01am
    - Colville
      
      I dislike Musk bigly … but I gotta admire the guys ability to bullshit people into pouring billions of $$ into his crap projects.
      
      Did that Pom diver end up suing Musk over the pedo comments?
      
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      October 11, 2019 2:09pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Yep..
        It’s to go to trial this December
        https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/oct/08/elon-musk-diver-vernon-unsworth-pedo-idiot
        
        (Earlier, the trial Date was for Oct 22)
        https://www.scribd.com/document/409475387/Vernon-Unsworth-v-Elon-Musk-court-order?campaign=SkimbitLtd&ad_group=66960X1514734Xbee74ea06dd8c129a3b479067c2282f7&keyword=660149026&source=hp_affiliate&medium=affiliate
        
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        October 11, 2019 5:48pm
- stephieboy
  
  cmm, these ones do not appear so,
  
  https://www.japantimes.co.jp/tag/ev/
  
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  October 11, 2019 10:39am
- Fletch
  
  Reminds me of the news story back in 2014 when the CEO of Fiat/Chrysler was begging people not to buy their electric car as they lost money on every one.
  
  The CEO of the newly combined Fiat Chrysler Automobiles is urging people not to buy his company’s electric car.
  
  It’s a strange request from a world in which automotive CEOs are usually doing everything they can to hype their product lines, lure customers to showrooms and as they say in the trade, “put butts in seats.”
  
  But Reuters reported that Fiat Chrysler Automobiles Chief Executive Sergio Marchionne told a Washington, D.C., conference this week that he would prefer no one buy the $32,650 Fiat 500e, a beautifully done, practical electric car.
  
  “I hope you don’t buy it because every time I sell one it costs me $14,000,” he is quoted as having said.
  
  https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2014/05/22/sergio-marchionne-fiat-chrysler-electric/9443715/
  
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  October 11, 2019 10:39am
peterwn

It is the National Party members in Botany who decide who their candidate will be. Chris may or may not win the nomination. The Party hierarchy can lobby the local membership to support Chris and cynics could argue that the pre-selection process could be used to eliminate any other strong contender but that carries huge political risk.
If he fails to win the nomination there, he could get involved in a Labour held electorate and put in the hard work there – door banging, working the phones, fundraising and building up and motivating a team to do similar. If he does well with this he would be likely to be given a decent list position.
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October 11, 2019 8:37am
- Paulus
  
  Unlike the Labour Party, or the Peters Only Party, National Candidates are chosen by the Members not the Unions.
  
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  October 11, 2019 10:12am
  - sooty
    
    I’m sorry, but Ithink Luxon is a wee jessie!
    Wouldn’t get my vote!
    
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    October 11, 2019 12:04pm
lastmanstanding

Last night I watched Madam Secretary on Prime. Story line Nauru disappears under the ocean but not before the good ole US of A acquires an island in the Fiji group and relocates the population.

The problem is that of the 101 Pacific Islands 74% are getting bigger.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-02954-1

Still for the Climate Change Hysterics why let the facts get in the way of a story.

Plenty of other so called “denial” stuff on the web.
Like you are 96% less likely to die of a weather related event than 100 years ago.

The bush fires in Oz are less than at any time in history. Most are caused my either arson or lightning strikes.

I could go on but……………………….
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October 11, 2019 8:38am
- kowtow
  
  “Bush fires climate catastrophe” in Oz are a theme pushed hard by the Media Party.
  
  Before climate hysteria became a thing in the last couple of decades the Media Party used to push the Noble Savage theme of fire farming , a good thing. Now though “fire” is a sign of the Apocalpse , which also has its own High Priestess , St Greta .
  
  Bush fires have always existed . They become a problem when you decide you want to live in areas prone to them . So if mankind insists on living in the bush but doesn’t want the danger of fire , then the obvious answer is to clear the bush , but environmentalists and councils insist you can’t do that ………
  
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  October 11, 2019 8:51am
  - David George
    
    I caught a report about the Aussie bushfires on the telly. Frightening footage and stressed people. The inevitable association with global warming (or whatever they’re calling it this week) was made.
    They chose to completely ignore the fact that regular bushfires have been such a feature of the Aussie environment for millions of years that some species have evolved to become entirely reliant on them to initiate germination of their seeds.
    Just another day at the office for the MSM bullshit factory.
    
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    October 11, 2019 9:13am
  - stephieboy
    
    The Aussie PM doesn’t agree,
    
    Scott Morrison accepts climate a factor in bushfires and defends Coalition policy
    
    PM tours bushfire area as Queensland emergency minister laments continuing climate change denial
    
    “Scott Morrison has dismissed suggestions his government has not acted to address climate change while acknowledging climate was “one of many factors” that fuelled ferocious bushfires in Queensland and New South Wales.
    Speaking at Canungra in the Gold Coast hinterland on Friday, the prime minister was asked about climate policies after a bushfire that had burned into nearby subtropical rainforest.
    “It’s quite uncommon for rainforest to burn as the fireys here were telling me … They have been there for 25 years and never seen a fire,” he said.
    “So we are dealing with challenging conditions. It is very dry at the moment. That’s what happens in droughts.
    “[Climate change] is one of many factors going to these incidents.”…..”
    
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/sep/13/queensland-bushfires-firefighters-brace-for-worsening-conditions
    
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    October 11, 2019 10:46am
    - Local Miller
      
      And Scott Morrison became a climate specialist when?
      Just because the PM of a country says something, doesn’t make it so. Ask our PM!
      
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      October 11, 2019 1:50pm
  - Fletch
    
    There was a report a few years back about the bush fires in Australia. They were only occurring with more regularity because (just as in America) greenies refuse to let home owners clear enough land around their dwellings or thin back forests. What happens if there is a fire then, is that all the dried up vegetation is so close that it spreads.
    
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    October 11, 2019 10:46am
    - Inandout
      
      Fletch, I remember reading an article on the ancient Aborigines and how they coped with bush fires. Australia is dry, always has been, and this is why the coasts are inhabited. Having a clear area around the house is just so logical.
      
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      October 11, 2019 11:12am
- alex Masterley
  
  sadly the content of that article will get drown out (apologies for the pun) by hysterical statements by the PM, for example, that Tuvalu is sinking under the waves…
  
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  October 11, 2019 8:53am
  - cmm
    
    That would at least help put out Tuvalu’s bush fires.
    
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    October 11, 2019 9:02am
- rightoverlabour
  
  It’s not so important that we go on and on here, but I use every opportunity to discuss the climate fraud when at dinners, barbeques etc. The number of intelligent people that have no idea of what is going on is astounding because they only hear the accepted narrative. Once a few facts are explained, it’s not hard to get the point across that the science is not settled and there are major arguments about exactly how the atmosphere is warmed. Once the seed of doubt is sown, they will start to do their own searching. I always suggest Patrick Moore as a starter as he was a Green Peace co-founder.
  
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  October 11, 2019 8:59am
- tf78
  
  I really liked that program until they had Hillary Clinton and Madeline Allbright on as guests.
  
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  October 11, 2019 9:32am
- Tall Man
  
  Watched the same a few months ago as was startled to learn Nauru had a population in the thousands…..
  
  Typical lefty writer, too lazy to look up wikipedia.
  
  The show has descended into a left wing propaganda fest with not so subtle anti Trump references and the “gender fluid” bullshit as well.
  
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  October 11, 2019 10:05am
- Stephen Russell
  
  “…you are 96% less likely to die of a weather related event than 100 years ago.”
  I think this might be because of human actions in preparing for and responding to weather-related catastrophes. I doubt that it means that there is 96% less bad weather.
  
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  October 11, 2019 10:31am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Kiripati definitely needs another island. Tarawa is tiny and the Japanese closed in the lagoon during the war. Three meters above sea level at the max so tides sweep salt water over all. Population now 50,000, formerly 10,000. Water rationing and the sky is seasonally unobliging at the equator.
  The sea is not rising–the people are squashing their cramped atoll down into it.
  
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  October 11, 2019 10:49am
RW Capitalist

Wasn’t the well being budget, going to fix poverty?
New homeless shelter NEEDED in Auckland
Christchurch food bank running out of…….FOOD
Record number of homeless
Numbers of private rental properties available, falling
Hands up those who believe this govt, is doing a good job on ANY front?
Please state the subject they are achieving positive results.
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October 11, 2019 8:42am
- rightoverlabour
  
  Only those with hands down the front of any that believe this govt…..
  
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  October 11, 2019 9:03am
- alloytoo
  
  One of the first things I learnt in economics was that if you put a $0 price on something of value, your demand curve will always exceed supply.
  
  Has nobody in this government studied economics or functioned in a free market economy?
  
  …….oh wait what am I saying? Of course they haven’t.
  
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  October 11, 2019 9:14am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    It is politically expedient for them to confuse and add together.
    The needy with the greedy.
    
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    October 11, 2019 10:38am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Zero pricing doesn’t work for spare kittens. Couldn’t give them away but offer them for $2 in a brown paper bag–sold.
    
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    October 11, 2019 10:51am
- DigNap15
  
  More refugees from countries we don’t like?
  Not good for my well being.
  
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  October 11, 2019 9:36am
- chaos
  
  Watching the block au. Loved what they did last night. Apparently the council gives a charity the land for free, they then put on small one person tiny houses that are used to house the homeless. Great plan, cheap, should be rolled out here.
  
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  October 11, 2019 11:02am
Scott

In the multicultural enrichment files we need to add the case of Sweden. Sweden used to be a low crime country with a relatively homogenous population. Now since the immigration of thousands of young men from Islamic countries the crime rate has soared. Apparently the incidents of rape have gone up massively and blonde Swedish girls are dying their hair black to escape the attention of predatory migrant men.

But it has been reported today that the soaring Swedish crime rate has not gone unnoticed by its neighbours. Denmark to reintroduce border controls with Sweden due to rising violent crime in Sweden, the progressive utopia.

Let that sink in. That’s the so-called multicultural enrichment right there. You don’t think it could happen here??
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October 11, 2019 8:45am
- kowtow
  
  Denmark , once a sovereign nation , requires the EU’s permission to impose border controls , while the article goes on to say that the Swedish gubmint welcomes the move .
  
  The plot was lost a long time ago.
  
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  October 11, 2019 9:16am
- Ruahine
  
  It was given the go ahead a couple of weeks ago. All dressed up in a ‘hijab’ how nasty National was stopping people from Middle East countries from emigrating here.
  
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  October 11, 2019 9:32am
- Tall Man
  
  No problem, ardern will give them safe passage and succour at our expense.
  
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  October 11, 2019 10:07am
- Paulus
  
  Isn’t Malmo, across the Bridge from Denmark, called the Rape Capital of Europe.
  
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  October 11, 2019 10:16am
  - Scott
    
    Paulus – very hard to get accurate reporting about what is happening in Malmo. The BBC assures us that things are fine but the BBC also missed the Pakistani rape gangs that were happening right under their nose.
    
    But what we do know is that Malmo police are now being armed with machine guns for the first time ever –
    https://voiceofeurope.com/2018/02/swedish-police-in-malmo-now-armed-with-machine-guns-to-take-back-control/
    
    We also know that hundreds protested in 2017 after 3 gang rapes in Malmo –
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5197675/Hundreds-protest-Sweden-series-gang-rapes.html
    
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    October 11, 2019 11:50am
- Michael
  
  I think it could Scott but our MSM will, like the Swedes and German MSM keep it quiet, if they aren’t already…
  
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  October 11, 2019 6:45pm
RW Capitalist

https://www.national.org.nz/dhbs_said_they_were_compliant_with_holidays_act
So the govt. have known for 2 years
a. Lazy
b. incompetent
c. dishonest
d. all of the above
You choose
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October 11, 2019 8:51am
Maggy Wassilieff

Next Month: A week of Charles Windsor & his Missus…

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1910/S00073/prince-of-wales-and-duchess-of-cornwall-visit-to-nz.htm
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October 11, 2019 8:51am
- cmm
  
  Oh god, what a knob.
  
  You’d think he would have just found them a quiet cottage in the countryside where he could tend his organic roses and slowly turn into compost.
  
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  October 11, 2019 9:05am
  - kowtow
    
    He reckons there’s only 18 months left to save the planet . I wonder how he’s getting here ……..
    
    Between him and his Ginger Boy Wonder they’re doing more harm to the monarchist cause than an army of Ollie Cromwells .
    
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    October 11, 2019 9:20am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    If it were up to him, I suspect that is exactly what he’d like to do. However, he believes he has a duty to his Queen and country, to the Commonwealth and indeed to his sons, and he’s done and continues to do it the best he can.
    
    Certainly, that best is flawed and has occasionally failed. Which of us has never put a foot wrong in all our years? Which of us would deal half as well with the unrelenting pressure, ill-informed judgement and often downright nastiness that he’s faced every day for decades?
    
    Now if you don’t want NZ to be a monarchy, it is absolutely your right to think so. But (1) it is not fair to blame the Prince personally that we’re not, it is the responsibility of Parliament, and (2) think on how you’d like Jacinda, or Winston, as our President in the Republic of New Zealand.
    
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    October 11, 2019 12:21pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  surely these extinction people will be out in droves to support him?
  After all, he has promoted
  Organic farming (his farm is organic)
  recycling
  Climate change
  For longer than most of these weirdo’s have been alive.
  
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  October 11, 2019 9:12am
Maggie Pie

I aspire to be like the planet and get hotter and hotter until I die 🙂
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October 11, 2019 9:06am
- RW Capitalist
  
  and you are dear…….
  There…that’s me bucking for an expensive Christmas present this year.
  
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  October 11, 2019 9:56am
- chaos
  
  And you will, as the hot flashes hit.
  
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  October 11, 2019 11:06am
Prince

Apologies in advance for the length.
21 things we all know about the ‘most open and transparent’ Government, but must not be openly admitted by the MSM.

That Peters never intended to go into coalition with National, having taken out court action against them prior to ‘negotiations’.

That Lees-Galloway allowed Sroubeck to stay on the request of Ardern, because Sroubeck was mates with her fiancée.

That the families of the Pike River victims are cynically used as pawns by the Government when Labour is in need of a polling boost.

That Robertson colluded with Makhlouf in describing National’s website search as a ‘hack’. Robertson proceeded to give Makhlouf a glowing speech in his farewell, while gently chiding him in public.

The identity of the Minister’s son responsible for the sex attacks during the Young Labour Conference.

The identity of the person in the PM’s Dept responsible for the multiple alleged attacks and rapes over the last two years.

That Ardern knew of these allegations well before September 2019.

That Mallard is the most biased Speaker since Margaret Wilson, and possibly even outdoes her.

That the Government’s actions to ‘solve’ poverty and homelessness have been a failure. The statistics have worsened.

That the ‘emergency benefits on demand’ policy, and consequent huge increase, have resulted in these benefits being used for things like travel to Australia to watch the Warriors, holidays in the Islands, new i-phones and laptops, Sky and Spark Sport subscriptions. Things most working NZ’ers have to budget and save for.

That NZ has suffered through US tariffs and trade sanctions due to Ardern’s personal abuse of Trump, after her first UN tour.

That Peters was not in hospital due to a leg injury from playing rugby.

That the letter the Associate Minister for Transport wrote to the Minister contained a threat that the Greens would pull out of the coalition entirely if he did not delay Wellington Transport projects.

That when Ardern said negotiations for support packages were underway with Albert St businesses, she lied.

That Winston Peters and Shane Jones trade policy for donations.

That Health outcomes have universally worsened under this Government.

That the Charter Schools, successful in lifting a few disadvantaged kids up from the bottom of the pile, have effectively been wiped out by this Government, and replaced with nothing useful.

That despite holding all the Maori seats, the deprivation statistics for Maori have worsened. The Maori caucus is inactive and invisible. Gains made by the Maori Party while in coalition are dissipating. Treaty settlements have reduced to a trickle.

While we are told there are plans to address mental health, nothing is in place two years on, and suicide and other statistics continue to worsen.

The Government is trying to limit the ability of parents to get the best for their children’s education by replacing donations with set funding from the Department. Outcomes for children and communities will worsen.

The great ‘single use plastic bag ban’ (it was never single use) has been a failure in terms of plastic bags in circulation.
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October 11, 2019 9:17am
- DigNap15
  
  There are so many lists like this.
  I’m trying to collate them.
  
  How do we (two ticks blue people) get swinging voters to see these lists and to change their vote.
  
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  October 11, 2019 9:40am
- Scott
  
  Prince – great post!
  I would agree that the charter schools meant that kids who were not succeeding in the state school system had an alternative where they could succeed. Unfortunately for ideological reasons and to appease the teachers union Labour got rid of charter schools by lunchtime. And the mainstream media never really reported on this.
  
  National introduced the charter schools at the urging of Act but never really believed in it and never introduced more than a handful of charter schools.
  
  Again this is the gap in parliamentary representation. We need choice and innovation in education not the same old state schools teaching an increasingly left-wing curriculum. We need someone with the balls of a Donald Trump to actually introduce new ideas and not the same failed left-wing prescriptions.
  
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  October 11, 2019 9:52am
- Bobba Fret
  
  It makes me sad reading this (it is a very good summary by the way) to think that even with so much incompetence and dodgy dealings since this COL got in, that there is still a very good chance of them being re-elected……that really scares me to think of how much more damage they will do in a second term.
  
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  October 11, 2019 9:53am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Sorry to, about the length:
  That Peters never intended to go into coalition with National, having taken out court action against them prior to ‘negotiations’.
  Definitely
  
  That Lees-Galloway allowed Sroubeck to stay on the request of Ardern, because Sroubeck was mates with her fiancée.
  Sees so
  
  That the families of the Pike River victims are cynically used as pawns by the Government when Labour is in need of a polling boost.
  Q: Why has the msm not done the maths on this
  170m in 2 years, means it will take about 25 years to get to the mine and then they can look for bodies?
  
  That Robertson colluded with Makhlouf in describing National’s website search as a ‘hack’. Robertson proceeded to give Makhlouf a glowing speech in his farewell, while gently chiding him in public.
  Obvious
  
  The identity of the Minister’s son responsible for the sex attacks during the Young Labour Conference.
  Lack of denial?
  The identity of the person in the PM’s Dept responsible for the multiple alleged attacks and rapes over the last two years.
  Modus operandae
  
  That Ardern knew of these allegations well before September 2019.
  See above
  That Mallard is the most biased Speaker since Margaret Wilson, and possibly even outdoes her.
  Rhetorical question?
  That the Government’s actions to ‘solve’ poverty and homelessness have been a failure. The statistics have worsened.
  see above
  That the ‘emergency benefits on demand’ policy, and consequent huge increase, have resulted in these benefits being used for things like travel to Australia to watch the Warriors, holidays in the Islands, new i-phones and laptops, Sky and Spark Sport subscriptions. Things most working NZ’ers have to budget and save for.
  It’s labour’s supporter base
  
  That NZ has suffered through US tariffs and trade sanctions due to Ardern’s personal abuse of Trump, after her first UN tour.
  The steel/Aluminium tariffs could have easily been avoided, if she had just applied on time, this not university,the professor will NOT give you an extension, just for smiling at him.
  
  That Peters was not in hospital due to a leg injury from playing rugby.
  Lying is winnies way
  
  That the letter the Associate Minister for Transport wrote to the Minister contained a threat that the Greens would pull out of the coalition entirely if he did not delay Wellington Transport projects.
  Rhetorical question, another one.
  
  That when Ardern said negotiations for support packages were underway with Albert St businesses, she lied.
  Surprised?
  
  That Winston Peters and Shane Jones trade policy for donations.
  Financial gerrymandering, copies Blair re Scotland
  
  That Health outcomes have universally worsened under this Government.
  No Targets , no reason to achieve them
  
  That the Charter Schools, successful in lifting a few disadvantaged kids up from the bottom of the pile, have effectively been wiped out by this Government, and replaced with nothing useful.
  Pay back to NZEI
  
  That despite holding all the Maori seats, the deprivation statistics for Maori have worsened. The Maori caucus is inactive and invisible. Gains made by the Maori Party while in coalition are dissipating. Treaty settlements have reduced to a trickle.
  Wasn’t it someone in the Maori party, said, They had made more progress for Maori in the few year associated with National, than ever with the Labour Party?
  
  While we are told there are plans to address mental health, nothing is in place two years on, and suicide and other statistics continue to worsen.
  No need for reply
  The Government is trying to limit the ability of parents to get the best for their children’s education by replacing donations with set funding from the Department. Outcomes for children and communities will worsen.
  Labour…spray and walk away, just put money in with no regard as to how it is spent.
  
  The great ‘single use plastic bag ban’ (it was never single use) has been a failure in terms of plastic bags in circulation.
  Self evident
  
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  October 11, 2019 10:20am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Not surprised I hope.
    
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    October 11, 2019 10:22am
- namron
  
  Well done, Prince. Thanks.
  With those being the Col’s “successes” after just 2 years in Govt, I am sure we can expect just as many more lies and failures in the year left before the election.
  
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  October 11, 2019 10:20am
- Brian Marshall
  
  Thank you, but sadly your list of issues miss many many other failures of this incompetent muppets pretending to be grown ups.
  Worst government ever..
  
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  October 11, 2019 10:27am
- alloytoo
  
  “Nothing useful.”
  
  What This Government Is.
  What This Government Says.
  What This Government Does.
  
  Nothing Useful.
  
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  October 11, 2019 11:06am
- Ruawai
  
  Got Indian takeaways last week and instead of the thin plastic bag they can in a heavy duty plastic bag that will take up more rom in the land fill.
  
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  October 11, 2019 2:56pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  ‘single use plastic bag ban’
  Just bought some new ‘T’ shirts with company logo on.
  So proud to be supporting a 3rd world country at the same time “Made in Haiti”
  They came in a plastic bag, guess they haven’t heard the word from our princess?
  
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  October 11, 2019 3:41pm
  - Prince
    
    A relative uses on-line shopping. Used to come in plastic bags, no charge. Now comes in paper bags that cost 10c each. His grocery bill just increased 4%, and he has to buy plastic bags to wrap his rubbish in (including the paper bags of course).
    
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    October 11, 2019 6:10pm
rightoverlabour

worth watching the early snow in the NH.

https://watchers.news/2019/10/10/record-snowfall-wreaks-havoc-in-spokane-usa/

https://watchers.news/2019/10/10/early-frost-and-snow-hinder-harvest-in-canada/

Now I know that one early snowstorm does not an Ice Age make, but the hysteria generated when there was a hot day in Europe is not being matched by the MSM in regards to these early cold snaps. However, cooling periods are characterised by early and late snow as the winter season gets slightly longer each year. And unlike the imagined feedbacks with CO2 in the GCMs, there is a real cooling feedback with extra snow as the albedo is increased.
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October 11, 2019 9:22am
- cmm
  
  There was huge handwringing that this was going to be the hottest year on record in the Northern Hemisphere.
  
  Meanwhile, very late frosts in spring followed by very early snowstorms in autumn – some places the earliest snows since 1920s.
  
  Maybe Mummy Nature didn’t get the tweet?
  
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  October 11, 2019 10:21am
- Brian Marshall
  
  As a keen gardener, I’m noticing that this spring has been colder then other years.
  Hopefully we get a better run of warmer weather soon.
  
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  October 11, 2019 10:30am
Richard

I hope Jamie Lee Ross has been getting familiar with shopping trolleys at the local Botany supermarkets. That’s where he’s going to be working after the next election.
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October 11, 2019 9:24am
- igm
  
  You are wrong, Winston will have him doing NZ1 strategy, it being whitewashed again in the election.
  
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  October 11, 2019 9:34am
- Maggie Pie
  
  And with those toes he’ll probably walk funny as well 🙂
  
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  October 11, 2019 9:35am
- rightoverlabour
  
  The best place for him to work would be the local morgue. Then he won’t have to face the contempt that he would get anywhere else.
  
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  October 11, 2019 9:36am
- niggly
  
  JLR is such a fool (so are his advisors).
  
  If JLR (and his advisors) had any brains then JLR should have stopped criticising National and Simon Bridges (once he left National last year) and stopped his continual whinges to the media, and started to work constructively and positively with them, then there could have been a possibility that National could have offered JLR a lifeline to remain as an independent MP.
  
  Because it wouldn’t have mattered in the scheme of things due to National’s high party vote support – under the MMP system National can afford to have a couple less electorate seats (as long as those seats are held by other supportive centre-right/right parties or individuals) because MMP reduces National’s list ranking to maintain (MMP) “proportionality” due to them dominating the electorate seats (numbers).
  
  JLR is either too thick to figure this out or is just too much of a fool for being used by his advisors in their attempts to attack National.
  
  Instead now, why should National support JLR who is out to wreck them? Bye-bye JLR …
  
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  October 11, 2019 9:54am
  - niggly
    
    Clarification to better understand para 3 …. by having a couple less electorate seats means that National’s party/list votes actually go up. Yes it sounds crazy and stupid but that’s MMP for you!
    
    And that’s what happened in the 2017 election, because National won over 50% of the electorate seats and over 50% of the list seats, the good ol’ MMP system reduced National’s list votes to maintain overall proportionality. Another reason why MMP disadvantages the two big parties (National and Labour) but rewards the minor parties (Greens and NZF) by increasing their list votes (at Nat/Lab’s expense). As I said it sounds crazy and stupid but that’s the way MMP works (which is just madness, surely there is a better system out there)!
    
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    October 11, 2019 10:07am
    - cmm
      
      I think most people misunderstood MMP when we were all voting for it.
      
      I think most people – myself included – thought there were going to electoral seats and separate pool of list seats.
      
      ie. Electorate vote goes to elect a representative and all the party votes are then used to divvy up the pool of list seats.
      
      That would give us the best of both worlds.
      
      But what MMP is is really a proportional system that is front-loaded by electoral votes. This removes the incentive for parties to win electorate seats, except of course for cup-of-tea deals etc.
      
      With what we have there is often little
      
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      October 11, 2019 3:29pm
  - Prince
    
    I had to laugh when I heard JLR say he could work with both main parties so could ‘do a Dunne’ if elected.
    He thinks he could work with National !!
    Sad, deluded fellow.
    
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    October 11, 2019 2:30pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  He’s not qualified to do that.
  Maybe he could run for Labour…now….he’s well qualified for that.
  Sex pest
  Liar
  etc
  
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  October 11, 2019 10:24am
Hugh Pavletich

AUSTRALIA & NEW ZEALAND AUGUST 2019 RESIDENTIAL DWELLING CONSENT / APPROVAL CONTRASTS …ADJUSTED FOR POPULATION NEW ZEALAND 31.5% HIGHER …

(Australia’s annual dwelling consent / approval volumes have collapsed by about 50,000)

Australian housing’s supply-side squeeze … MacroBusiness Au

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/10/australian-housings-supply-side-squeeze/

Building consents issued: August 2019 … Statistics New Zealand

https://www.stats.govt.nz/information-releases/building-consents-issued-august-2019
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Annualizing the August figures and adjusting for different populations, the consent / approval rate per 1000 population per annum for Australia is about 6.03 and New Zealand about 7.93.
New Zealand’s August 2019 residential dwelling consenting / approval rate is therefore some 31.5% higher than Australia’s.
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… By a country mile … housing affordability has long been THE major public policy issue in New Zealand ( further extensive background information … access http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org ) but not Australia ( read IPSOS report below ) … as the IPSOS Issues Monitors REPEATEDLY remind us every 3 months or so…

The IPSOS New Zealand Issues Monitor – July 2019

https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/ct/news/documents/2019-08/6th_ipsos_new_zealand_issues_monitor_released_1_aug_19.pdf

Why is Australia so badly lagging New Zealand with housing as a public policy issue … and too … with consenting / approvals ?

Can we expect a big migration lift of construction workers from Australia to New Zealand going forward ?
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October 11, 2019 9:47am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  NEW ZEALAND …
  
  Government moves to streamline building of prefabricated houses with new consenting process; Also announces building product information disclosure requirements to be introduced as a part of Building Act reforms … Jenee Tibshraeny … Interest Co NZ
  
  https://www.interest.co.nz/property/102086/government-moves-streamline-building-prefabricated-houses-new-consenting-regime-also
  
  The Government is committing to introducing a new certification scheme for manufacturers of prefabricated houses that will streamline the consenting process.
  
  Certified manufacturers will only need a resource consent for the installation site of a prefab, rather than also requiring one for design or factory work.
  
  This could halve the number of building inspections required, saving manufacturers and consenting authorities time and money, and brining more affordable homes to the market.
  
  Legislation will be introduced early next year as a part of an overhaul of the Building Act 2004. … read more via hyperlink above …
  
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  October 11, 2019 11:51am
- kowtow
  
  How’s that bank run in Honkers going ?
  
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  October 11, 2019 11:51am
Maggy Wassilieff

Cribbed from JoNova’s website…

You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.
You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.
You cannot help little men by tearing down big men.
You cannot lift the wage earner by pulling down the wage payer.
You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich.
You cannot establish sound security on borrowed money.
You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred.
You cannot keep out of trouble by spending more than you earn.
You cannot build character and courage by destroying men’s initiative and independence.
And you cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they can and should do for themselves.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_J._H._Boetcker
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October 11, 2019 9:51am
- Bobba Fret
  
  You should send this to the government, they need all the advice they can get.
  
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  October 11, 2019 9:55am
- RW Capitalist
  
  All promises Labour made before the last election.
  
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  October 11, 2019 10:26am
- stephieboy
  
  Often misattributed to Abraham Lincoln,
  
  https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/lincoln-prosperity-quote/
  
  “You cannot establish sound security on borrowed money.”
  
  That one could be debatable given the current state of the US deficit
  
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  October 11, 2019 10:28am
Swifty

Best clip you’ll see all day:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rapnJ4Tg1h8

Antifa versus US Marine.

Enjoy!
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October 11, 2019 10:08am
- stephieboy
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Swifty, I wouldn’t have taken you to be a March for Jesus Burn in Hell Protester?
  
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  October 11, 2019 10:33am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    But I did take you for a pro-violence Antifa protest supporter. You did see who started the violence and who skillfully and calmly defended, right?
    
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    October 11, 2019 12:49pm
- skyblue
  
  Loved the music.
  
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  October 11, 2019 10:41am
- mandk
  
  Antifa Vs Christian
  
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  October 11, 2019 10:54am
  - sooty
    
    His mate stopped that sucker punch!
    
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    October 11, 2019 12:16pm
- Jules99
  
  2.7 million views since Feb – awesome.
  
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  October 11, 2019 11:14am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Don’t mess with Marines – they have ben through more shit than you can ever create
  
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  October 11, 2019 12:23pm
Maggie Pie

We go to a lot of Chinese restaurants [peaking duck is my fave] and from what we hear is that the majority of NZ Chinese would chose not to live under the CCP.
A waiter was telling us last night, he can only hope National and Labor do not chose candidates associated with the Chinese Communist Party. The pro-CCP NZ Chinese are a tiny minority and a real concern to this countries democracy.

https://twitter.com/Anne_MarieBrady/status/1182407363325652992
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October 11, 2019 11:05am
- Jules99
  
  Yeah, but how do you tell the difference. I’m not sure it’s always obvious.
  
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  October 11, 2019 11:16am
chaos

Pay walled so this is all you can read

* Almost $50 million of Provincial Growth Fund (PGF) money has been allocated for more than 100 business and feasibility studies nationwide.

And, according to information provided by the Provincial Development Unit – the Government entity which dishes out the $3 billion pot – just 10 per cent of what has been promised by the Government has actually been passed on to businesses.

Regional Economic Development Minister Shane Jones has defended the $50m spend on the business cases and studies.*

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12275388
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October 11, 2019 11:16am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Who needs paywalls?
  
  The PGF has invested in a range of feasibility studies and business cases to date
  As of 31 May 2019, the PGF has invested approximately $44.3 million in 104 feasibility studies and
  business cases. 10 feasibility studies and business cases have been completed. Of these, nine
  feasibility studies and business cases have resulted in further PGF applications that may progress to
  substantive projects. The remaining funded feasibility studies are at various stages of completion.
  
  https://www.growregions.govt.nz/assets/content/public-information/position-paper-feasibility-business-cases-june-2019.pdf
  
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  October 11, 2019 3:47pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Good money if you can get it–average $440,000 each.
    
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    October 11, 2019 5:35pm
igm

So the left are now trying to get us installing rollbars on our quads. Take a hike, a quad is good as it is, especially with a stick to lift electric fences when going between feed breaks, opening gates, etc, etc.
Maybe we go back to horses, then wait till people are dumped from a 16hh without rollbars, or are we then going to be told to buy Shetland ponies.
Get this lefties, keep your views in town, they are not appreciated in the rural sector.
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October 11, 2019 11:17am
- Classic Liberal
  
  “told to buy Shetland ponies” until animal rights activists tell us we’re being cruel to the poor little critters…
  
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  October 11, 2019 3:13pm
chaos

Daily Caller Interview With Rudy Giuliani: Impeachment, Ukraine, And Rep. Adam Schiff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=80&v=ztRF6h_xOz4
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October 11, 2019 11:46am
Happychappy

Is Winston that far back in there internal polls that he now has to go after the Labour vote by saying it was his pressure over Immigration that bought about the change that the Minister of Immigration announced during the past week. Or is this one of Winston’s games to break from the Coalition before the next Election, Winston has form in shitting on fellow partners.
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/tightening-up-can-move-aotearoa-direct-response-nz-firsts-demands-peters-says
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October 11, 2019 11:51am
- Happychappy
  
  I said that are you sure it’s not Winston Peter’s leaking his own details of his Party to get people back to vote NZ First, well a interesting read from Former President Kevin Gardiner about it has to be someone at the very top that can access these detail one of maybe half a dozen people. This statement has also been backed up by Richard Prosser who is now living in the United Kingdom , both men reiterated that they were not responsible for the leaks.
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/400650/ex-nz-first-president-kevin-gardener-says-leak-source-must-be-a-senior-figure.
  Winston has form in deceiving the voter so don’t think he would not pull a stunt like this to improve his and NZ First chances.
  
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  October 11, 2019 3:59pm
Maggie Pie

I really really hope JK isn’t turning into the Nat’s equivalent of H1 🙁
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October 11, 2019 12:21pm
- chaos
  
  Can’t, people still respect key and enjoy hearing what he has to say.
  
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  October 11, 2019 2:29pm
Sacha

WOW!

I read today’s post on Freedom of Speech by Chris Trotter, and thought it was so thoughtful that I posted it on my Facebook because I have a few ‘friends’ overseas who also read .

But: ‘ it Goes Against our Community Standards on spam’. and no-one else can see it.
Censored!

Good God.
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October 11, 2019 12:59pm
Fletch

For Dave Gilmour fans, he has made his whole Pompeii 2016 concert free to view on YouTube (includes tracks not available in the original film).

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLsDZ7QcsbDR8Wx2-l1oDvJA-77ioQ6mDZ

http://www.openculture.com/2019/10/david-gilmour-makes-his-live-at-pompeii-concert-film-free-to-watch-online.html
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October 11, 2019 12:59pm
tranquil

More proof of the Left recruiting children to push their nonsense on everyone –
“Leftist books for brainwashing kids” –
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iTgeuA-5EE
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October 11, 2019 1:32pm
Maggie Pie

Jacinda and Steve spotted in LEVIN 🙂

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGjYSX5UYAAYl5Z?format=jpg&name=900×900
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October 11, 2019 1:35pm
- chaos
  
  A dentist could do wonders
  
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  October 11, 2019 2:28pm
- MrTips
  
  Colbert’s a ****ing knob. Even Cindy shouldn’t hang around with that louse.
  
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  October 11, 2019 3:37pm
  - sooty
    
    Steve who?
    
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    October 11, 2019 4:00pm
- Inandout
  
  MP, I heard she was trawling Sandringham area with Colbert in tow. She must fly.
  
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  October 11, 2019 4:11pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    You could be right there I&O – its just that when i noticed that woman talking to them in the mauve jacket, I assumed it must be somewhere like Levin 🙂
    
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    October 11, 2019 5:30pm
alex Masterley

RIP Blair Vining.
A good man taken too early.
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October 11, 2019 2:21pm
Straight arrow

Which person/organisation are people picking for Peace Prize? Due today.
I’m going Angela Merkel.
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October 11, 2019 2:36pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  Yes, they are likely to give it to the brainless woman who opened the borders to unvetted masses, including rapists.
  
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  October 11, 2019 3:16pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I guess immigration is an exception for your ‘classic liberal’ label?
    
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    October 11, 2019 3:25pm
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Unvetted, uncontrolled immigration is not liberal but stupid. Merkel was letting in people who have no liberal values such as respect for women’s rights and gay rights.
      
      Geert Wilders put it succinctly: we should not “not tolerate the intolerant”
      
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      October 11, 2019 4:01pm
    - Classic Liberal
      
      I have often written on KB in favour of immigration for NZ if we have the need for workers, enough infrastructure, and if the chosen immigrants are high-achieving people who share our values.
      
      Instead, masses of unvetted young men entered Germany and some caused enough problems to make it impossible for women and gays to walk safely at night in places like Cologne. Bollards have to protect people from deliberate vehicle attacks in outdoor spaces such as Christmas markets.
      
      Sounds like your idea of liberal means anarchist!
      
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      October 11, 2019 4:13pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  10pm tonight our time….
  (11am cest – Oslo)
  
  https://www.nobelpeaceprize.org/Events/Announcement-live-video
  
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  October 11, 2019 3:24pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Just hope it goes to the PM. You’d get your monies worth just watching the paroxysms of anger and spleen splitting by the usual mob on KB
    
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    October 11, 2019 4:45pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Patting kindy kids is not sufficient.
      Authorising Muslim prayers in our Parliament will remove her from any future advancement.
      
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      October 11, 2019 5:27pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Stupid prick. Nominations had to be in last Jan.
      Oh, maybe Winstone did that to get rid of her?
      
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      October 11, 2019 5:37pm
      - chaos
        
        Just down vote the troll and ignore it.
        
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        October 11, 2019 5:59pm
tranquil

Over on Chris Trotter’s blog, there is an interesting post on free speech.
Anyway, one of the comments is by someone calling themselves “Guerilla Surgeon”.
He/she comments on the free speech post –
“…we know that the authoritarian right are the main problem when it comes to freedom of speech worldwide.”

**WHAT?!?
It is the **Left** that wants to ban and censor everything (and change history!). It is the **Left** that bans any speakers whose views don’t follow their narrative!

Oh, but there’s more!

Guerilla Surgeon – “And we also know that if they ever get in, freedom of speech will disappear.”

Rubbish! It is the **conservatives** who are DEFENDING freedom of speech and it is the **Left** that wants to AXE it, and they’re doing everything possible to do it!

Where has that person been in the last ten years?
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October 11, 2019 2:51pm
MH

Jaincinderator sent me a letter. it is headed
Rt Hon Jacinda Ardern
Leader of the Labour Party
& Prime Minister of New Zealand
Can she be/do Both?

Goes on about inheriting stuff suggestions etc with email address mail and social media and signs off

Rt Hon Jacinda Ardern
Leader of the Labour Party
& Prime Minister of New Zealand
THE Leader who is unknowing about indiscretions , blow me down .
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October 11, 2019 3:29pm
- sooty
  
  Well, arn’t you the lucky one!
  
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  October 11, 2019 3:58pm
- chaos
  
  Leader of the party is always the prime minister, or opposition leader, etc
  
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  October 11, 2019 4:01pm
Swifty

Sickening.

We have hyenas preying on our vulnerable.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12275631

Well Cindy, what is to be done? No more talk about inputs (1200 extra cops, supposedly) let’s talk about outcomes?

Are burglaries coming down under the CoL?

Priority number 1 for any government is keeping people safe!
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October 11, 2019 4:13pm
stephieboy

This twitter is a little classic,

Marie Connor
@thistallawkgirl

My heart goes out to all the Christians who continue to support Trump. I can only imagine how heartbreaking it will be for them to discover they’ve been catfished by the #Antichrist.

5,771
7:45 AM – Aug 22, 2019

https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2019/08/funniest-trump-tweets-chosen-one-king-of-the-jews.html
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October 11, 2019 4:35pm
- Inandout
  
  A pity you aren’t a ‘classic’, though you may be ‘little’. Trump is on course for another win 2020.
  
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  October 11, 2019 5:43pm
- mandk
  
  Nah mate. The anti-Christ has yet to appear.
  He will be chosen by George Soros.
  
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  October 11, 2019 6:13pm
Michael

We need Trump to prevail for America’s sake.

let alone ours.

https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/peter-smith/2019/10/trumperman-and-the-joker-legions/
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October 11, 2019 6:36pm
Fletch

LOL, Trump at rally in Minnesota today – Biden was only a good VP because “he knew how to kiss Barack Obama’s ass”… 😆

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqeyNqqlY58
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October 11, 2019 7:34pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Congratulations Abiy Ahmed, Ethiopia’s PM
Winner Nobel Peace Prize 2019.
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- rangitoto
  
  Ended the dispute between Ethiopia and Eritrea. Hardly momentous. Should have been awarded to Donald Trump.
  
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