General Debate 10 October 2019

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lilman

Our PM is useless, really is, how bad do you have to be to get her to act on anything.
ELG should be sacked but ….. nothing.

If only I had a boss like that.
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October 10, 2019 8:07am
- Chuck
  
  It beggars belief that ILG took less than 60 mins to skim the file and runner stamp he could stay. It is almost like ILG had been shoulder tapped and told to give the poor drug smuggler another chance. In a crazy sort of way that is properly the preferable answer, otherwise, we are left with a complete idiot as a minister.
  
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  October 10, 2019 8:57am
  - BobbyS
    
    Well allegedly, [Deleted – Mod]
    
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    October 10, 2019 9:19am
    - BobbyS
      
      What did i say wrong?
      I said allegedly enough times didn’t I?
      It’s not my fault the #PartTimePM tried to cover up the truth – allegedly that the Czech had a list of famous people who he sold drugs to, whom she may know a few on it.
      (is that better?)
      
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      October 10, 2019 9:45am
      - rightoverlabour
        
        A poster here many Moons ago posted that Jethro had been caught up in Operation Ark. The details are scant, but worth revisiting if someone has time….
        
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        October 10, 2019 11:01am
  - igm
    
    It goes a lot deeper than we are being led to believe.
    Sroubek had full details of all Ardern’s personal contact details in his phone and is evidently not exactly a stranger to Jethro!
    
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    October 10, 2019 9:35am
  - Tall Man
    
    “It is almost like ILG had been shoulder tapped and told to give the poor drug smuggler another chance”
    
    Ya think?
    
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    October 10, 2019 1:12pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  The reason
  He is the scum floating on the residue at the bottom of the barrel. You will have go much lower into the sludge, to find his replacement.
  
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  October 10, 2019 9:14am
  - Tall Man
    
    I like that analogy.
    
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    October 10, 2019 1:11pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  I can’t believe Jacinda can stand there in an interview with a straight face and defend ILG and say
  “it was a complex case”.
  There was nothing complex about it, any person with 1/2 a brain would have decided in ten minutes after reading the summary that he was not fit to become a resident.
  Only other explanation is ILG was told to make that terrible decision and is now taking a lot of flak for it. Which means they owe ILG big time.
  
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  October 10, 2019 9:45am
  - herb1
    
    She also lied by saying that the process meant ILG had to make a decision on the spot.
    Even if that didn’t pass the bullshit meter then the radio interview with the CEO of MBIE confirmed Arderns lie.
    
    That lie being the second of the day for Ardern , the first being the lie about negotiating with the businesses on Albert St , effected by the tunnelling works.
    
    The PM is a liar. a sexual abuse enabler and excuser , a light weight intellectually deficient person , an excuser of unethical and extortionist behaviour , a poor leader with limited understanding of her role and those under her , and less knowledge of what they’re doing on her behalf.
    and those are her best points
    
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    October 10, 2019 10:56am
    - Bobba Fret
      
      I agree totally. It is scary how quickly and easily she lies in interviews. Someone (an interviewer) needs to pull her up on that when she lies.
      Her very first lie i think was at the leaders debates with Bill English when she said she had never lied in politics.
      
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      October 10, 2019 12:19pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Jacinda has become an expert in being straight-faced and defending the indefensible. She should have been at Nuremberg.
    
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    October 10, 2019 11:03am
    - Tall Man
      
      She should be there as a defendant not as a defender.
      
      They now prosecute villains at The Hague.
      
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      October 10, 2019 1:09pm
  - Farmer boy
    
    Jacinda, it was only ‘complex’ because you were deeply conflicted in this simple matter.
    
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    October 10, 2019 2:47pm
- Ceejay
  
  She can’t do anything about ILG because she can’t do anything about Shane Jones.
  
  It’s hardly fair that she imposes any discipline on ministers who happen to be members of her own party when we all know she’s powerless over Winston’s party members.
  
  In this worldview Curren’s only crime really was to transgress so early in the government’s term. If she’d kept her head down a few more months she’d have been in the clear.
  
  What a way to run a country.
  
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  October 10, 2019 10:16am
  - Tall Man
    
    But they’re not running the country, “what’s in it for wynston” is.
    
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    October 10, 2019 1:06pm
peterwn

When will we finally admit that electric vehicles aren’t the solution?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/searchresults?cof=FORID%3A9&cx=006730714154542492986%3Aoh6vl0ybuqy&ie=UTF-8&q=horicka&Search+Site=&siteurl=www.stuff.co.nz%2F&ref=&ss=3096j1654612j7

This Stuff / DomPost article is right on the button and well worth a read. It questions the benefits of EV’s. The author is Martin Horicka a PhD student living in Slovakia.

I saw another article querying why plug-in hybrid vehicles are not very popular. The battery is far smaller than for an ordinary EV but is adequate for commuting or ‘shopping basket’ use. There is a petrol engine to operate the vehicle when it is out of range (ie a typical hybrid arrangement). The saving by having a smaller battery outweighs the cost of the petrol engine. The arrangement is more environmentally friendly than a pure EV.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/lifestyle-vehicles/116399554/why-does-nz-have-a-mental-block-about-plugin-hybrids
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October 10, 2019 8:08am
- cmm
  
  Are people who buy plug-in hybrids really using the plug-in part?
  
  I can understand people buying one for the eco-smugness and plugging it in every day during the first rush of ownership, especially for the dedicated fans that buy these things.
  
  But what about after a year of ownership by a Joe Average person? You know, that stage when you no longer wash your car every week and the new smell has finished. Are they really going to go to the bother of plugging in every day or are they just going to use it as a petrol car because that’s the easy option?
  
  I’m guessing that the easy option will win almost every time.
  
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  October 10, 2019 8:47am
  - SGA
    
    Cost-benefit – if their arrangement at home makes it easy to plug it in, and they think they are saving money then they’ll continue. If they having to worry about extension leads or suchlike each time, not so much.
    
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    October 10, 2019 8:51am
    - cmm
      
      Each time you plug in takes a small amount of time and more time to unplug again afterwards. Reward is maybe $2 – less than half a cup of coffee.
      
      Screaming kids, groceries needing unpacking, or just want a shower after work and relax.
      
      That’s going to end up in the too hard basket very soon.
      
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      October 10, 2019 9:09am
      - SGA
        
        meh – most of us clean our teeth most of the time. That’s even more of a hassle, but for most of us it’s become a habit. I suspect that for many it would become the case for something like this too.
        But, who knows.
        
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        October 10, 2019 9:20am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        There are efficient wireless charging pads that will become standard (BMW already using them). >90% efficiency. Just park your car above it and walk away.
        
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        October 10, 2019 10:53am
  - srylands
    
    If you don’t plug it in, it still works like a normal hybrid.
    
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    October 10, 2019 8:54am
    - cmm
      
      Well, a hybrid dragging around a heavy extra battery… and that is what they effectively become in most cases I reckon.
      
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      October 10, 2019 9:14am
      - peterwn
        
        The battery in a hybrid has far less capacity (and hence is much smaller) than in a pure EV. The three advantages of a hybrid are:
        1. Petrol engine is sized for average power requirement and hence is smaller and more economical.
        2. Engine either runs at optimum revs or does not run. Hence engine is more efficient and uses less fuel compared with ordinary engine.
        3. Regenerative braking is used, that is when braking the drive motors become generators and return the braking energy to the battery.
        
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        October 10, 2019 10:13am
      - cmm
        
        Yes, I am aware a battery in a hybrid is smaller than in an EV. I was not talking about hybrid vs ICE, but hybrid vs Plug-In Hybrid.
        
        A Plug-in Hybrid normally has a bigger (heavier/more expensive)battery than a straight hybrid to extend the “EV-mode” range.
        
        PIH’s are sold as “crossover” vehicles; limited range EVs with automatic cross-over into hybrid for longer range.
        
        My argument is that unless it is super convenient (ie. zero effort), people will stop plugging in and just operate PIHs as normal hybrids, negating the “EV mode”.
        
        By the way, the regenerative braking is a bit over sold. It only harvests part of the braking energy. I have not done the numbers but I suspect it is around 30%. Granted that is better than nothing, but hardly a big source of power.
        
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        October 10, 2019 6:52pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      At a fixed cruising speed there is usually no gain. If driven like a normal car on open road there is some gain, but the battery is such that a few km’s on hills and the charge is gone in battery only mode. The battery is only there as a buffer between the petrol engine and the constantly changing demands of everyday driving.
      
      The saving is created because the petrol engine runs at a fixed speeds to keep the battery charged, and stops the heavy fuel consumption of accelerating, depending on model recovering power by regenerative braking.
      
      Hybrid vehicles like the Toyota Prius are OK as a nana car or an annoyingly slow taxi, but they will save money. Drive any car sedately, and accelerate annoyingly slowly from the lights, and it will save fuel. The fact that you slow the traffic, increasing travel time for everyone else, is usually of no concern for most Prius drivers.
      
      If you have nothing important to do or nowhere important to go, and time is in abundance, you can save fuel even without a hybrid.
      
      Vehicles like the BMW 330e hybrid combine economy and performance, and get you to where you need to go in style, comfort, and promptness.
      
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      October 10, 2019 11:25am
      - NoCash
        
        I love hybrids, the 918, P1, and La Ferrari.
        
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        October 10, 2019 12:25pm
  - Rich Prick
    
    They’re like spa pools, fun for the first six months then just another chore.
    
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    October 10, 2019 9:01am
  - peterwn
    
    In UK, plug-in hybrids get the same purchasing incentives as pure EV’s and many were sold as fleet vehicles. However in many cases the charging leads had apparently never been removed from the original packaging. Presumably there was no provision for employees to plug them in at work and if taken home there was probably no readily accessible outlet to charge them up.
    
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    October 10, 2019 10:18am
    - cmm
      
      And nobody could be arsed…
      
      Most PIHs have an EV-mode range of 40km or so.
      
      A charging session using electricity instead of the petrol-driven hybrid is unlikely to save you more than $2 or so. Huge chore for not much gain.
      
      Meh, just use it as a vanilla hybrid.
      
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      October 10, 2019 6:56pm
- srylands
  
  That first link does not work.
  
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  October 10, 2019 8:58am
- Ruahine
  
  EVs are basically toys. Albeit very expensive toys.
  Word on the street is that some crims and boy racers were interested in them because the accelaration from the lights is great but they are no good for running from the cops or other crims. So not the cars (toys) of choice for stealing.
  
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  October 10, 2019 9:13am
  - Okahu
    
    Ruahine, do you believe this or do you think by saying it you will fit in with the crowd here at KB? It truly is a lame contribution to the discussion based on what are clueless musings. Treat yourself to a test ride in a Tesla and come back and tell us how it’s just a toy. Then explain to us why the worlds biggest car manufacturer (VW) is totally retooling their production to start making ‘toys’ by the million. Sheesh.
    
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    October 10, 2019 6:36pm
- Straight arrow
  
  Popular Science.
  “Not long after midnight on Wednesday, California’s largest electrical utility started turning off the lights. Pacific Gas & Electric cut power to approximately 500,000 Northern California homes and businesses, with plans to disable service for another 234,000 later in the day and a tentative third phase of shutdowns that could affect 42,000. For the millions of affected residents of these communities and for California more generally, it’s a big deal—but for everyone else, it’s a warning of things to come.
  
  “The shutdown is happening because of concerns that the electrical grid could start another fire that would rival or even exceed the Camp Fire of 2018, which killed at least 86 people and destroyed the town of Paradise, CA. High winds are expected to batter northern California in the coming days, and conditions there are already extremely dry—perfect weather for sparks from a downed powerline to start another inferno. Hence the shutdown, which will affect 34 of the 58 counties in California to some degree.”
  
  So in a fire emergency, you may not have a charged car. Great. Is this ironic?
  
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  October 10, 2019 12:38pm
- wreck1080
  
  Luddite. When did kiwiblog turn so anti-science & technology, and limp wristed?
  
  Engineering is a wonderful thing. The very reason why aircraft evolved from the Wright brothers proof of concept to the modern jumbo jet in just 66 years.
  
  Electric cars will most certainly follow a similar technological trajectory.
  
  Y’all better move out of your homes and go live in a cave.
  
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  October 10, 2019 12:40pm
  - alloytoo
    
    @Wreck1080 Electric cars will most certainly follow a similar technological trajectory.
    
    History would suggest otherwise.
    
    First electric cars (Proof of concept) predate the age of aviation by about 70 years (Circa 1830’s)
    
    It’s taken well over 180 years to get to now, and we’re not satisfied with the now.
    
    By comparison the ICE engines arrived about 40 years after EVs.
    
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    October 10, 2019 3:20pm
  - cmm
    
    Engineering is remarkable, but unfortunately you misunderstand the challenges involved.
    
    The major revolutions in planes happened a long time ago. There have been no effective developments in military aircraft in the last 20 years. The C130 is 65 years old, A-10 Warthog is 47 years old, F16 is 45 years old. 747 is 50 years old. There have been very few big efficiency improvements since.
    
    Cars are already pretty much hard up against the laws of physics. They are already running at close to maximum possible theoretical efficiency. Indeed, the Model T fuel consumption was not much worse than that of a modern car. There is no way to double the efficiency of batteries, the electric grid, motors or anything like that. 5 or 10% would be HUGE. That is not enough to be a game changer.
    
    About the only room for movement in vehicles is in build price and there we’re getting hard up to energy costs.
    
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    October 10, 2019 7:09pm
    - stephieboy
      
      These Nobel Prize winners do not appear to be daunted by the technological and scientific challenges with finding solutions confronting them refining and improving lithium-ion batteries technology,
      
      https://physicsworld.com/a/lithium-ion-battery-pioneers-bag-chemistry-nobel-prize/
      
      Nor with these intrepid researchers,
      
      https://physicsworld.com/a/what-really-weakens-lithium-battery-efficiency/
      
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      October 10, 2019 7:25pm
Charmaine Hawke

So who knew using the words water, cannon and soap would get you a ban from twitter for harmful language. Maybe tagging in extintion rebellion wasn’t the best idea but seriously for a death cult they seem to be a little thin skinned.
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October 10, 2019 8:13am
- cmm
  
  2% of them have nut allergies, 10% have gluten allergies but 100% have soap allergies.
  
  It was probably the soap.
  
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  October 10, 2019 8:48am
- kowtow
  
  Presumably twitter is allowing them to spread their fear message which will cause anxiety and in those populations more “self harm”.
  You’d wonder about the motives of the people who run those “social” media platforms.
  
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  October 10, 2019 8:53am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    “You’d wonder about the motives of the people who run those “social” media platforms.”
    
    Let me guess. The role of running a social media platform might attract authoritarian control-freaks in a similar way that an institution founded on celibate men might attract homosexuals, or an agency devoted to protecting vulnerable and damaged children might attract pedophiles.
    
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    October 10, 2019 9:11am
- Jules99
  
  I got banned for the words first, cousin and marriage. Can’t imagine why…
  
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  October 10, 2019 9:30am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    So if I write about a marriage of a relative and I say: “Last Saturday I went along to celebrate the marriage of my first cousin” I would get banned?
    
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    October 10, 2019 10:54am
    - Tall Man
      
      Try switching of for to 😉
      
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      October 10, 2019 1:02pm
- tf78
  
  You’d think the mere mention of “rebellion” would have twitter de-platform them in the first place.
  
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  October 10, 2019 4:43pm
kowtow

Who’d a thunk sticking obstructions on busy city roads was a good idea ?

A wonk from council.

‘Parklets on Dunedin’s main shopping street will be reviewed for safety after a bus crashed into one of them yesterday.’

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/bus-crashes-parklet
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October 10, 2019 8:16am
- igm
  
  At least Dunedin are seeing the back end of Labour sycophant Cull . . . is he now becoming a imam or doing as he should and just going into eternal hibernation?
  
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  October 10, 2019 8:23am
  - kowtow
    
    He’s standing for the health board. He’s like one of those horrible infections that just won’t go away .
    
    Could be worse this seems to have now come down to a two horse race between an overtly Green candidate , Hawkins ( God forbid) and a common sense candidate Lee Vandervis.
    
    In any event Daft Dunners is a lefty fifedom so the council will still be majority nutters.
    
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    October 10, 2019 8:32am
- peterwn
  
  No problem, it is not the Council’s fault, it is Richie’s fault (wonder what would have been the situation when DCC ran its own buses.
  
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  October 10, 2019 9:05am
- BobbyS
  
  A Parklet???
  Had no idea what this was until i googled it
  FML
  
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  October 10, 2019 9:23am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Brilliant idea… place sitting folks out in the middle of a main roadway and wait for a bus.
    
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    October 10, 2019 9:47am
- wreck1080
  
  They’ve been doing this in Tauranga too…. very dangerous in my view, especially to cyclists. Long stretch of wide road, suddenly you come across a low concrete protrusion pushing it’s way towards the center of the road.
  
  Must have been a recent civil engineering conference touting this concept.
  
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  October 10, 2019 12:43pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Anything to slow traffic.
    
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    October 10, 2019 12:57pm
Maggie Pie

Immigration expert Aussie Malcolm tells Kate Hawlesby he agrees with my partner!

Earlier this wee i posted here that my partner asked an interesting question: “Should the type of person who commutes by train from say The Hutt Valley or Porirua into Central Wellington, be responsible for deciding who, or who should not, be allowed to stay in our country?”

Well this morning, when being interviewed by Katie on 1ZB about ILG and the Schroubek fiasco, Aussie said this: “Of course the buck stops with the Minister. You can not expect those who work 9 till 5, on the minimum wage, to take responsibility for these decisions”

I rest my case 🙂
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October 10, 2019 8:22am
- fernglas
  
  Of course, those who work 9-5 on the minimum wage are usually immigrants, so they would know less about it than some politician.
  
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  October 10, 2019 8:38am
- Yvette
  
  Jacinda Ardern is defending the Immigration Minister over his admission last year that he spent “an hour or so” reading a convicted drug smuggler’s immigration file.
  … Iain Lees-Galloway was simply following a “process that existed for years”
  
  Can Jacinda Ardern then name another Immigration Minister who has not read files that he or she has been given – a process that has apparently existed for years?
  
  Or is she referring to the process, like not consulting Cabinet or the industry concerned, in making the decision to ban gas exploration?
  
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  October 10, 2019 8:46am
  - BobbyS
    
    Why do, so called journalists,not stop her right there and ask her to prove it?
    
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    October 10, 2019 9:25am
- chaos
  
  You post while weeing? Too much information
  
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  October 10, 2019 8:51am
  - tranquil
    
    “You post while weeing? Too much information.”
    
    Comment of the day there, chaos…… 🙂
    
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    October 10, 2019 9:13am
- sooty
  
  Gee, your partner is clever!
  
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  October 10, 2019 8:52am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Yep – as my mum sez: “Smart as bait”
    
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    October 10, 2019 9:46am
    - sooty
      
      You caught him!
      See not so dumb was he!
      
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      October 10, 2019 11:49am
Happychappy

There is renewed calls for Immigration Minister Iain Lee’s Galloway to resign over his handling of the Karel Sroubek debacle following a review of process.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/10/renewed-call-for-immigration-minister-iain-lees-galloway-to-resign-over-karel-sroubek-case.html
With all this new details bei released from the the review we should be in for a repeat of more questions in Parliament.
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October 10, 2019 8:32am
- Bobba Fret
  
  Yes I hope National do raise questions on it but Mallard will just close them down unfortunately.
  
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  October 10, 2019 9:40am
  - sooty
    
    Why sack him when he was just following orders!
    Why is Cindy covering up?
    
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    October 10, 2019 11:52am
- John Warren
  
  Since when do any of Cindy’s useless ministers resign over their fuck-ups?
  
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  October 10, 2019 7:57pm
igm

So Sepuloni says $1 million of illegal benefits is nothing and should not be addressed. Is that the advice she gave her mother . . . suppose she will now be claiming compensation for her conviction?
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October 10, 2019 8:35am
- chaos
  
  I think you mean billion. And the story for those like me who hadn’t seen it
  
  * Taxpayers are almost $1 billion out of pocket due to overpayments to beneficiaries by the Ministry of Social Development.
  
  National is calling it shocking incompetence. However, the Government has pushed back, saying most of the overpayments happened under National’s watch. *
  
  https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/exclusive-taxpayers-1-billion-pocket-because-overpayments-beneficiaries
  
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  October 10, 2019 9:03am
  - igm
    
    You are so correct, a (not) slight oversight on my part.
    
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    October 10, 2019 9:20am
  - oldpark
    
    Except part of the overpaid Billion Dollars amounted to $250,000,000 (Two hundred and Fifty Million Dollars) of taxpayers money was handed out by the Peters selected NZF/LABOUR/GREENS ,in a very short time. They work on the principal. if an unmarried solo mum dosn’t have to name the dad as that would cause hurty feelings. So free money handouts by WINZ is a given . All to make sure that double or treble dipping by some of the beneficiaries,will not be a criminal act. Ask the Labour MP Sepulomi she knows how the scam works. Only problem is she wont talk about it. Seems somewhere in her background to talk about it, would reveal just maybe a conflict of interest or even association.Aint that the truth.
    
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    October 10, 2019 10:10am
    - igm
      
      Has that apparition that was co-leader of the foul and vile Greens repaid what she stole from taxpayers, is she going to be charged, or did Peters do a deal so as to get off the $158,000 he also thieved?
      Maybe our unelected incompetent PM can answer these questions as she must be privy to the outcomes.
      
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      October 10, 2019 5:59pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  The WINZ debt is inflated by the Deptl officiousness. Even borrowings have been treated as income and benefits clawed back at 70%. That from tax paid income and with the GST as well the amount recovered is 100% or more.
  Hard to argue with WINZ as their policy is attrition by exhaustion and if you have health problems it works to their advantage.
  
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  October 10, 2019 9:04am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    I may not have made myself clear. WINZ in their benefit reviews are treating capital borrowed as income and clawing back benefits. These clawbacks they call “debts to WINZ”. Dubious legality confusing capital with income.
    
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    October 10, 2019 10:26am
- Ruahine
  
  I do see an apology as well as the compensation coming from Ardern. Perhaps the extra money she stole could be described as a surplus. Much like the way Labour stole the tax cuts.
  
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  October 10, 2019 9:18am
- MCos
  
  Interesting comparison I came across the other day comparing benefit fraud and tax evasion.
  Of course you might choose to disbelieve the figures presented in the graphics.
  Feel free to do your own research.
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/the-wireless/374753/the-pencilsword-greed-vs-need
  
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  October 10, 2019 10:03am
  - Sideoiler
    
    There is a world of difference between protecting what you have made and the non productive members of society defrauding the productive of what is rightfully theirs.
    
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    October 10, 2019 10:41am
Gandolfo

Our Interest base rate is now 1%, so, tell me if I am wrong, who benefits if not the banks? Look at these figures: Visa charges 13.50%, overdrafts are charged at 15% secured and 19.50 unsecured, so on whose side is the Reserve Bank on do you think? I am sure the bankers are praying for negative rates to come.
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October 10, 2019 8:39am
- kloyd0306
  
  Ironically, the ASB announced a profit of $1.275 billion one day then the next day announced that their term deposit rates would be cut by 0.6%.
  
  They and other banks certainly like it both ways.
  
  Your point is excellent: Where are the cuts in credit card and overdraft interest rates?
  
  We are being ripped off.
  
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  October 10, 2019 10:29am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Credit cards are unsecured small scale loans and have significant costs associated with reclaiming any unpaid balances. Banks don’t make a huge profit from cards overall, tidy, but not huge. And they actually give away some of what they make from slow payers because they pay the retailer (or who ever sold the item) payment before they get the money from even the smart users who pay on time. You can get up to 6 weeks interest free “loans” if you time your purchases right.
    
    Apparently most users always (or effectively always) pay on time and pay no interest, but a smallish minority don’t and pay significant interest charges regularly.
    
    That overdraft rate sounds awfully high though, for secured money. You do pay extra to have an “on demand” loan. You can (if you have the asset backing) have a rotating credit account, so your mortgage for example goes into that account – your always way overdrawn (!) but typically you pay about 1% more than a conventional mortgage interest rate.
    
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    October 10, 2019 12:38pm
  - wreck1080
    
    Where is your proof we are being ripped off?
    
    ASB is a large company, of course it should earn more than your corner dairy!
    
    Which ratio are you using to justify your claims? Profit alone ignores important factors such as market capitalisation.
    
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    October 10, 2019 12:49pm
- Paulus
  
  Surely most of the plastic money cards are actually US Owned and many transactions go through them in US.
  
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  October 10, 2019 10:43am
Shaun the Sheep

A whole trainload of 9-5ers from Upper Hutt would have reached the opposite decision to ILG – the one he’s now having to reverse after spending $155k on a review.
Much cheaper to get the Upper Hutters to do it right in the first place.
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October 10, 2019 8:45am
stephieboy

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Now how could KB’s poster Trump fan base ignore these Trump Spases and rants in front of a highly bemused and perplexed Finnish President ?

https://mobile.twitter.com/atrupar/status/1179473301858652162?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1179473301858652162&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fdigg.com%2F2019%2Ftrump-finnish-president-press-conference-highlights

Aaron Rupar@atrupar

Trump berates @jeffmason1 after Mason presses him to actually answer the question he asked (he never does). The Finnish president can’t help but chuckle at the shit show.

Aaron Rupar@atrupar

Trump seems to be losing it. Here he is highjacking a question intended for the Finnish president and ranting about how there weren’t “wins” before he took office.

Aaron Rupar@atrupar

The Finnish president was all of us at Trump’s latest unhinged press conference

Aaron Rupar

@atrupar
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Oct 3

Trump attacks CNN and then abruptly ends the news conference. What an embarrassment.

etc, etc, etc

I can only put all down to mendacity ie Trump supporters choose to remain wilfully ignorant
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October 10, 2019 8:45am
- chaos
  
  Or perhaps they aren’t all so up his ass like you to post everything he says and does, but alas why don’t you post about the sexual abuse and rapes that a friend and staff member of Jacinda carried out, or the rapes at the youth camp. Guess you care more about some guy in America than sexual abuse and rape being covered up by your own government
  
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  October 10, 2019 9:00am
- Scott
  
  Outside of stephieboy’s world there are new developments in the Trump / Russia scandal –
  
  Fox news is reporting that investigator John Durham is expanding his investigation into the origins of the Trump / Russia collusion story that consumed American politics for two years. Experienced analysts says that Durham is a serious person who would only ask for more agents and resources if he had found evidence of wrong doing.
  
  What this means is that the perpetrators of the Trump / Russia hoax will finally be exposed and their spying and leaking and collusion with Russia and the Ukraine. Brennan, Clapper, Comey are all in serious legal jeopardy.
  
  There is nothing in the latest Trump /Ukraine collusion hoax. But this Durham investigation is serious. Some people are going to jail.
  
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  October 10, 2019 9:02am
  - igm
    
    Trump is no fool, and he is like a chess player . . . he will position these Democrat scum, then strike . . . hopefully getting Obama and Clinton also!
    
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    October 10, 2019 9:23am
    - stephieboy
      
      Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
      “Trump is no fool, and he is like a chess player . . ” ??
      
      You mean a drunken hop scotch player surely?
      
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      October 10, 2019 10:12am
      - igm
        
        Bet you cannot play chess . . . you appear to be what Donald refers to as a dumbarse!
        
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        October 10, 2019 5:56pm
    - Michael
      
      Yep, this didn’t happen in a vacumn.
      Obama and Valerie Jarrett sat there at the back looking on.
      
      I hope it all comes out and Trump gets a 2nd term to finalise this, which hopefully will lead to Orange Jumpsuits all around.
      
      Essentially the USA is a failed state, without control of it’s borders and the abscence of the rule of law.
      I sincerely hope they can undo both of those for all Americans.
      
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      October 10, 2019 10:41am
- Scott
  
  Further on this issue Joe Biden is in trouble. According to reporting by Fox news John Solomon, his son Hunter Biden received payments of over $100,000 a month from the Ukraine. American investigators were on the case with Ukrainian investigators months before the Trump phone call. There were serious concerns about corruption, so serious that even the Ukraine wanted to investigate.
  
  So the real story appears to revolve around why did hunter Biden receive huge payments from the Ukraine? He had no experience in energy or the Ukraine. But his father was the vice president of the USA responsible for dealing with the Ukraine.
  
  Does it seem like coincidence or is it corruption?
  
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  October 10, 2019 9:03am
  - Michael
    
    coincidence of course 😉
    
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    October 10, 2019 10:44am
- Bell-47
  
  “Trump attacks CNN” If I were him I would ban CNN from any news conferences. The apoplectic TDS demonstrated by CNN, on an hourly basis should, preclude them from any opportunity to speak with Trump. That he still allows them time and questions is incredible but I understand why. He sees them for what they are, a fake news, tabloid show with its hosts participating in a feverish circle jerk. By letting them speak, he lets them demonstrate exactly how repugnant and disrespectful they are.
  
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  October 10, 2019 10:06am
- Bobba Fret
  
  Hey Stephie
  Aren’t you going to defend Ian Lees-Galloway and tell us how competent a minister he is?
  
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  October 10, 2019 10:15am
Right of way is Way of Right

So, the un-elected Government want to increase the refugee quota.

People are rightly asking “Where are they going to put them?”

Well, if you live in or near Whangaparaoa, perhaps you might want to ask some questions about the un-notified construction currently taking place on the shared DOC/NZDF estate at the eastern end of the peninsula. The answers might be illuminating.
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October 10, 2019 8:53am
- srylands
  
  You and your pesky facts.
  
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  October 10, 2019 9:06am
- stephieboy
  
  “So, the un-elected Government …”
  
  Now, whatever made you think that!
  
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  October 10, 2019 10:14am
- igm
  
  About time we had a national poll (unbiased) as to whether the general populace want these so-called refugees, or are unelected CoL too scared of the results.
  
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  October 10, 2019 10:48am
Maggie Pie

I should start by saying that my partner nor me believe in reincarnation. But when this popped up on his twitter last night, i thort he asked yet another interesting question:
“If you photoshoped a swass sticker in the middle of this guys foreheaed – who ya’ got?”

https://twitter.com/odtnews/status/1181676007062937607
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October 10, 2019 8:53am
- chaos
  
  Jacinda Ardern?
  
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  October 10, 2019 8:57am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    teeth appear normal and no headscarf, so no.
    
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    October 10, 2019 9:18am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    NO Silly! its Charlie Mason.
    
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    October 10, 2019 9:22am
    - chaos
      
      hmmmm
      
      So no difference then.
      
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      October 10, 2019 9:42am
      - Tall Man
        
        Certainly not in attitude……
        
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        October 10, 2019 12:49pm
    - Fletch
      
      Isn’t Manson still alive?
      
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      October 10, 2019 9:56am
      - Maggie Pie
        
        NO Silly! Died at 83…. but lives on thru Dunedin hockey umpire 🙁
        
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        October 10, 2019 10:44am
- srylands
  
  Hell. How did he get a “girlfriend” in the first place?
  
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  October 10, 2019 9:05am
- Tall Man
  
  https://static3.therichestimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Charles-Manson-Photo.jpg
  
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  October 10, 2019 12:51pm
Odakyu-sen

“For the first time in Rugby World Cup history a game will be cancelled – with England’s clash against France in Yokohama being abandoned due to a looming typhoon, the Daily Mail reports.”

(From the NZ Herald)

For me, the most amusing part is the name of the typhoon. The English language media have named the storm “Typhoon Hagibis,” whereas the Japanese media use the Japanese nomenclature and call it “台風19号” (Typhoon Number 19) since it is the 19th one of this year’s typhoon season. No. 19 looks to be a real brute.
In the nation of “cuteness,” things are going to get real ugly.
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October 10, 2019 8:57am
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  Not for nothing is the Daily Mail referred to as the “Daily Fail”, however this story might have legs! However if the England France game is cancelled, all that changes is the points awarded, not the positions in the table. The same is true of the NZ/Italy game. Where things get interesting is the Japan/Scotland game. This group is so delicately poised, the game pretty much HAS to be played.
  
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  October 10, 2019 9:09am
  - Colville
    
    Ha.
    
    they will cancel the Japan/Scotland game and oh no what a pity then Japan go thru for the first time ever.
    
    (I think they would beat Scotland anyway and Scotland needs to win with a bonus point to get into the playoffs which wont happen even if they do play)
    
    Win win!
    
    I am pretty sure Japan will go thru as top of the pool too… so we get Ireland!
    
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    October 10, 2019 10:22am
    - Colville
      
      actually looking at it again…we will probably get Japan.
      
      Ireland have a better points differential and assuming they will get a bonus point against Samoa.
      
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      October 10, 2019 10:29am
      - Colville
        
        ok now I do another flip flop.
        
        They are saying they might cancel the Ireland Samoa game to make it fair!
        
        (fair = Japan win the pool!)
        
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        October 10, 2019 10:59am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      So, Typhoon No. 19 is to be the “divine wind,” allowing Japan to Quarterfinal 2…
      
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      October 10, 2019 10:59am
Inandout

ZB use CNN for international political opinion. This is like using JAG for a sensible opinion on petrol driven motor vehicles. OK, I know CNN is tanking and has bargain basement rates, but wouldn’t it be nice to have a bit of opinion from the other side?.
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October 10, 2019 8:58am
Happychappy

How can anyone call this Government professional, progressive and helping build a fairer and better Country with just about everything they touch ends in “Failure”. You have failures in Housing, Transport, Health ,Immigration, Police and crime with all Ministers forgetting their promises when things go wrong like Kiwibuild, less Immigration, no deficits in Health budgets,more Police and less crime, to all blame it on the previous Government after being in power for over two years. Can anyone remember any Government that has been this incompetent in the history of NZ Politics.
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October 10, 2019 9:02am
srylands

I was thinking that the Government might want to accelerate some infrastructure spending as a result of the large surplus. The easiest way would be to activate the dozen major roading projects that are designed, and in some cases consented, and ready to go.

I might write a letter.
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October 10, 2019 9:03am
- cmm
  
  Write it in crayon with lots glitter, spelling errors and pictures of giraffes and butterflies and a stick picture of Neve and send it directly to
  
  Deer Mz Jasinder
  
  Then you are guaranteed it will get read and tweeted.
  
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  October 10, 2019 9:18am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    brilliant
    
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    October 10, 2019 9:54am
- KevO'Brien
  
  A surplus created by reversing depreciation charges has no monetary value just financial engineering bragging rights.
  Robbo should try to spend it at the local dairy. Fake money–fake hopes. Good for building Twyford houses.
  
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  October 10, 2019 10:09am
- freethinker
  
  In your letter ask grant how he spends the $5.3 Billion of revaluation of Kiwi Rail or will that be borrowing against the supposed increase in value? Whilst you asking ask for the actual amount of money spent on the provincial growth fraud.
  
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  October 10, 2019 10:37am
- Paulus
  
  But there is no real Money only Creative Accounts.
  Stephen Joyce was right.
  
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  October 10, 2019 1:42pm
- Ruahine
  
  Good Idea, especially if you have some children or grand children perhaps. Ardern always makes up policy after listening to children.
  I wonder why?
  
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  October 10, 2019 2:41pm
srylands

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/09/winston-peters-wants-to-turn-immigration-upside-down-in-wake-of-census-results.html

I missed this at the time. It seems odd to blame Immigration NZ for the high net migration rate. They simply administer the policy settings set by the government.
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October 10, 2019 9:13am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  I thought we’d established the census was incomplete. Why would WP be determining policy on the basis of flawed data?
  Wouldn’t be to boost his ratings would it?
  
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  October 10, 2019 11:52am
lastmanstanding

IMHO the funding of a political party no matter how should be declared.

In particular loans from a company or trust structure should include the terms of the loans and the names of the Directors or Trustees.

Funding ‘in kind” must also be disclosed with the names of the individuals concerned.

This is to comply with the good governance principles of transparency and disclosure.

Yes yes I know we all laugh at Cindy about her statements but the bottom line is voters have a right to this information and politicians have a responsibility to declare it.

Its up to we the voters to keep applying pressure until it is revealed.
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October 10, 2019 9:19am
- Jules99
  
  I was surprised to hear that this wasn’t already the case. Agree – transparency is key to a functioning government.
  
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  October 10, 2019 9:37am
  - freethinker
    
    And the lack of explains the current non functioning collection of clowns masquerading as a Govt.
    
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    October 10, 2019 10:39am
- ISeeRed
  
  I would like a Transparency and Truth in Journalism Act passed where:
  
  1. All journalists, reporters, editors, commentators, columnists and “comedians” in all media reporting or commenting on politics and economics must declare party membership/affiliation and who they voted for in the last two elections.
  2. It would be illegal to say “The government is funding/investing/paying…” and its variants. Instead, it would have to a variant of “Taxpayers will now also be forced to fund…”
  
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  October 10, 2019 10:02am
- Libertarians are right
  
  The Left would never allow “in kind” donations to be registered. If it were, everyone would know just how much they actually owe the Unions and it would become far more obvious just how corrupt their pro-union policy is.
  
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  October 10, 2019 10:06am
tranquil

Hi all –
Good video here rebutting the warmists – “Smoking gun of temperature fraud” –
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JkEEq3k8yM
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October 10, 2019 9:36am
softail 1450

It’s incredible what a few simple “lines” left by a lawnmower can achieve on our political landscape.
For example ,I L G figured it was ok to let a corrupt,lying,deceptive drug dealing fraudster to stay in our Country for “humanitarian” reasons and still believes he made the right decision FFS…
Worst government in NZ’s history.
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October 10, 2019 9:41am
- Ruawai
  
  I can’t wait for Karl S. to leak info once he isn’t being protected
  
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  October 10, 2019 9:56am
  - alex Masterley
    
    I would like to see the guest list from his wedding.
    
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    October 10, 2019 11:01am
Bobba Fret

So after the Sourbek report, ILG says he is changing his process??????????
What’s that change………is he actually going to read the summary!!!!!!
And now it seems that recommendation is that the minister should not have to make any decisions!!!!!
Probably because they hink ILG is too stupid to make the correct decision!
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October 10, 2019 9:48am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  He didn’t do anything wrong but he isn’t going to do that again.
  Is he Oirish?
  
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  October 10, 2019 10:04am
- greybeard
  
  On TV last night ILG said that from now on he would read the whole of a file before making a decision, not just give it a cursory look !
  
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  October 10, 2019 10:36am
  - Tall Man
    
    FFS… it took 45 minutes for a cursory look?
    
    I wonder if he was in the room alone for that cursory look…..
    
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    October 10, 2019 12:44pm
    - chaos
      
      Open file up, read note *please call me, cindy*
      
      Hmmm, this guy shouldn’t be allowed to stay.
      
      “Hi Cindy, oh ok he’s a friend of yours, ok, enough said, yeah I will approve it for you*
      
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      October 10, 2019 4:55pm
      - Bobba Fret
        
        I think you have accurately described what really happened. We were told to read between the lines.
        
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        October 11, 2019 10:20am
- freethinker
  
  I understand ILG has ordered 7 pairs of Brown Trousers.
  
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  October 10, 2019 10:41am
Captain Mainwaring

Well that’s the end of watching cricket for me.
Spark have got the rights.
What are SKY going to do with all that spare airtime?
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October 10, 2019 9:56am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Watch it on Spark. All sports coverage will eventually be streamed 0 even Sky is moving that way.
  
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  October 10, 2019 10:18am
- Colville
  
  What are SKY going to do with all that spare airtime?
  
  Close their doors.
  
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  October 10, 2019 10:25am
- Wired-one
  
  Same for me and many other kiwis. Sky have stuffed up big time here.
  
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  October 10, 2019 10:26am
- srylands
  
  Presumably that will result in a deathly decline in Sky subs.
  
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  October 10, 2019 10:45am
- DILLIGAF
  
  p()rn?
  
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  October 10, 2019 11:11am
- kloyd0306
  
  Will Sky reduce the cost of their sport package?
  Lost the rugby, now lost the cricket also.
  Maybe time to dump Sky altogether.
  Subscribing to three packages to cover eight channels is wearing thin.
  
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  October 10, 2019 12:55pm
  - MCos
    
    Losing the RWC was one thing, but as I recall the the important games were on Prime last time when Sky had the contract.
    They still have all the SANZ games
    The cricket is a much bigger deal. That goes on right through the summer and involves numerous internationals.
    
    In my opinion the RWC thus far has been a predictable bore except for the performance of the Japanese team.
    
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    October 10, 2019 2:39pm
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  This is the Sky that lost me, a five year customer, when they wanted to charge me hundreds of dollars to have someone connect an existing antenna on our new residence. At the same time they were offering free antenna and installation for new customers.
  
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  October 10, 2019 8:08pm
Maggy Wassilieff

UN running out of money…
might have to cut back on Conferences

https://www.euronews.com/2019/10/08/united-nations-could-run-out-of-money-by-end-of-this-month-says-secretary-general-antonio

How sad.
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October 10, 2019 10:02am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  They’re actually running out of other people’s money, the ultimate fate of all Socialist organisations.
  
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  October 10, 2019 10:16am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Wasn’t this prophesized by a great stateswoman some years ago? (I’m pretty sure that it was.)
    
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    October 10, 2019 10:44am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Maggie Thatcher that would be.
      
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      October 10, 2019 12:50pm
- stephieboy
  
  MW, UN a forum that even the US President believes has its uses .
  
  http://fp-reg.onecount.net/onecount/redirects/index.php?action=get-tokens&js=1&sid=&return=https%3A%2F%2Fforeignpolicy.com%2F2019%2F09%2F24%2Ftrump-takes-center-stage-at-u-n-summit%2F&sid=9i243s2q58hecude9cjt9rri60
  
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  October 10, 2019 10:17am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    still stalking, stephieboy?
    
    I realise you have a major comprehension problem, but I’ll state it once again… The Politics of the USA is not and never has been much of an interest of mine…
    so there is no need to try and lump Trumpester stuff on my posts.
    
    Get it?
    Do you FUCKING get IT?
    
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    October 10, 2019 12:00pm
    - stephieboy
      
      [Mod – deleted. You’re a fine one to be complaining about abuse stephieboy.]
      
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      October 10, 2019 12:09pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Maggy, I know it’s not easy but the only way to calm steffy down is to completely ignore her.
      
      I am not seeking to de platform her but she obviously needs reactions to spark her day. Unfortunately your replies and comments to the mods just fuel her need for relevance.
      
      I have ignored all her posts to me for a few months now and recommend others do the same.
      
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      October 10, 2019 12:43pm
      - chaos
        
        Yeah, typical troll behaviour after a reaction, don’t get it they move on.
        
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        October 10, 2019 1:18pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        And if I try that again (and believe me, I have on a couple of occasions here), how long do you reckon before I become easy pickings/open game/ cheap thrills for the abusers?
        
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        October 10, 2019 1:26pm
      - Tall Man
        
        I do understand and you may well need a little assistance from the rest of us to downtick the tosser asap.
        
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        October 10, 2019 2:26pm
      - chaos
        
        Agree, that should be the process for all from now on tall man, everyone ignore the troll and down tick to get rid of their crap.
        
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        October 10, 2019 4:53pm
- tranquil
  
  “UN could run out of money by end of this month”
  
  Much as I would **love** to see that happen, I think it’s unlikely.
  
  The demise of the UN would deprive the globalists and leftists of one of their big platforms for spouting their nonsense.
  
  Given that, I’m sure that someone like Soros (and a few leftist governments) will cough up a few billion dollars to keep it going.
  
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  October 10, 2019 10:21am
- MrLovebucket
  
  What’s the bet that Jacinduh has made sure NZ has paid
  
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  October 10, 2019 10:21am
  - Biscuit
    
    MrLovebucket, they haven’t opened it yet but I bet there’s a letter from Auntie Helen in the UN’s Incoming Mail division:
    
    ‘Hello all, remember me? The bestest Secretary-General you never had?
    
    Here’s $5.
    
    Love and kisses
    
    H’
    
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    October 10, 2019 12:13pm
- kloyd0306
  
  Would love it if Donald pulled the US out if the UN. Without the US taxpayer dollars the UN collapses. He could suggest they relocate their offices to Brussels where there will shortly be some spare office space vacated by the poms.
  The NY building could then be more than useful as a new Trump hotel.
  Problem solved!
  
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  October 10, 2019 10:41am
  - stephieboy
    
    Problem not solved,
    
    UN is running out of money and member states should pay what they owe, warns secretary-general
    ‘An organisation such as ours should not have to suffer repeated brushes with bankruptcy’
    
    “…According to the UN, almost two thirds – 112 out of 193 – of its member states have so far paid their share of the core budget.
    
    The United States, which is responsible for 22 per cent of the budget, traditionally pays later because of its budget year.
    The UN general assembly budget committee agreed on a $5.4bn core UN budget for 2018-2019 in December…”
    
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/un-budget-deficit-united-nations-money-cash-flow-member-states-antonio-guterres-a8465906.html
    
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    October 10, 2019 12:17pm
    - kloyd0306
      
      When Trump calls for Nato members to pay their fare share the left has a cow. When the UN does the same, the US is supposed to heel?
      
      What is fair about 22%? The US is being ripped off.
      
      If it weren’t for double standards the left would have none at all.
      
      Close the UN. It’s a failed organization, run by dictator-led leftist countries and cannot point to any successes. It’s a money pit.
      
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      October 10, 2019 12:51pm
- igm
  
  Sooner it totally falls the better . . . it is now a platform for islam, losers, perverts, and deadbeat nations on the take.
  
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  October 10, 2019 5:52pm
softail 1450

C M, start a new movie channel and continue to dish out the same C grade crap they have been foisting on the apathetic NZ populace that they have been doing for decades..
Sky should have faced fraud charges years ago for the dog shit programming they call entertainment..
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October 10, 2019 10:07am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  I don’t actually subscribe to their movie channel.
  
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  October 10, 2019 11:45am
Odakyu-sen

Akira Yoshino (71) the “father of the lithium battery” has been award the 2019 Nobel Prize in chemistry.
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October 10, 2019 10:14am
- Maggie Pie
  
  I wonder if he attends ‘AA’ meetings 🙂
  
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  October 10, 2019 7:29pm
KevO'Brien

A comprehensive appraisal of the US economy–where it goes we follow–
https://www.globalresearch.ca/fed-make-trump-new-herbert-hoover/5691459

Robbo needs to read more widely.
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October 10, 2019 10:20am
- Tall Man
  
  I’m fairly certain his busy schedule of bullshitting around town only leaves him enough time for a “lees-galloway” peak at any papers he needs to absorb.
  
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  October 10, 2019 12:36pm
Happychappy

Tim Murphy says Peter’s Leak : Stand by for a surprise.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2019/10/10/850811/peters-leak-stand-by-for-a-surprise
This case is due to hit the Court in early November that’s if National don’t throw Paula Bennett under the bus first to satisfy Peter’s thirst for blood. But if that happen it will be interesting to find out whether Peter’s bluff has worked or if he will pull the pin before the case is heard inthe High Court.
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October 10, 2019 10:31am
- chaos
  
  She won’t be thrown under the bus, they are giving Winston as much rope as he wants to hang himself.
  
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  October 10, 2019 10:54am
- Tall Man
  
  Malice in action.
  
  This should be struck out well before the trial starts.
  
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  October 10, 2019 12:34pm
Swifty

‘Don’t you call me that or you’ll get a smack in th’ bleedin’ ear’ole!’

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xKn0-03Pw4

‘And get yer ‘air cut and a bath!’

🙂
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October 10, 2019 10:42am
- Tall Man
  
  Haven’t “crimes” changed?
  
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  October 10, 2019 12:29pm
srylands

https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/116427609/biggest-cruise-season-looms-but-nz-hasnt-signed-global-treaty-to-reduce-its-ship-emissions

Yet more mental gymnastics. Emissions form cruise ships visiting New Zealand do not count against New Zealand’s Paris Agreement obligations. But if course such emissions are massive and real. Yet the Government welcomes cruise ships (and tourists in general) because they don’t add to emissions that New Zealand is responsible for.
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October 10, 2019 10:44am
- brett68
  
  When they’re in port, they’re still burning tonnes and tonnes of fuel to keep the ships internals running, air conditioning, lights etc.
  
  Bugger living in a waterside apartment near where those cruise ships are docked, you’d have to keep everything hermetically sealed otherwise you’II end up spending most of summer getting poisoned by diesel fumes.
  
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  October 10, 2019 1:03pm
  - Paulus
    
    Bull – we recently lived in the apartment, with balcony, closes to the Cruise Terminal in Mount Maunganui and noticed no unpleasant results for any of the 100 Cruise ships.
    
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    October 10, 2019 1:49pm
    - brett68
      
      Unless they’re plugging into online power sources, they’re burning a shit tonne of diesel to keep everything going
      
      https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2019/jun/07/barcelona-port-is-worst-in-europe-for-cruise-ship-air-pollution
      
      https://10daily.com.au/news/a190618lxrik/cruise-ships-in-european-waters-release-10-times-more-air-pollution-than-europes-cars-20190619
      
      https://853.london/2019/09/04/greenwich-woolwich-mp-matt-pennycook-demands-cruise-ship-pollution-crackdown/
      
      My guess is an old fella such as yourself doesn’t have a lot senses left so probably has no idea that you’re getting poisoned.
      
      All around the world cruise ship pollution is a major health and pollution issue.
      
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      October 10, 2019 2:45pm
      - alloytoo
        
        Well the solution is a simple proven technology.
        
        Make em nukes.
        
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        October 10, 2019 9:40pm
Maggie Pie

When my partners mum emailed me this link earlier on i was a bit skeptical – but …

To: Maggs
Subject: MAGIC

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EEk40ytXkAEyPdH?format=jpg&name=small
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October 10, 2019 10:52am
- chaos
  
  I thought it was going to be real magic, the girl was going to cook and clean and not whinge.
  
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  October 10, 2019 11:14am
Maggie Pie

Stand by for a lot more re-runs of 5 year old Cooking programs and Catfish repeats on Sky.

Why the f~~~ do we even bother?
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October 10, 2019 11:07am
- chaos
  
  Yay cat fish. The show that shows not good looking people can fall in love with super models and not realise it is prolly just some fat ugly guy
  
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  October 10, 2019 12:33pm
Straight arrow

The Treaty has been changed, by legislation, into this “partnership” concept, without the consent of the vast majority of the population. The population has been conned into believing that various legislation (and local councils with Maori wards) are just confirming “partnership”, where in fact it is creating one.

The Court of Appeal said: “… the Treaty created an enduring relationship of a fiduciary nature akin to a partnership, each party accepting a positive duty to act in good faith, fairly, reasonably and honourably towards the other”. (1993)

“Akin” is “Like”, but not the same. You say a mandarin is like a tangelo, you don’t say it is the same as a tangelo.

Remember the outcry from some because a civil union was “like” a marriage, but not a marriage. The law was changed so that gays could get married. That is, civil union was recognised as NOT the same thing as marriage. In the same way the Treaty is not a partnership.
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October 10, 2019 11:12am
- KevO'Brien
  
  The Treaty can never be a partnership. The Court of Appeal saying “each party accepting a positive duty to act in good faith, fairly, reasonably and honourably towards the other…” I’m not sure that has happened on the Maori side. “Full and Final” seems to be for the present season only. Throughout Polynesia trickery is culturally acceptable. I have a feeling Pakeha have been played as suckers. I have encountered that too with another closely linked ethnic group.
  The younger people not attached to their individual tribal roots are seeking more too. We may have to look at a contrary “development charge” to redress the balance.
  
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  October 10, 2019 1:59pm
Happychappy

First they accidentally published parts of the 2019 Budget, now Treasury have once again allowed confidential information online..This time the Governments accounting book.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/116448126/treasury-apologise-to-minister-over-second-data-blunder.
This Government and there staff are very much out of their depth with school mistakes in a vital Government Ministry.
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October 10, 2019 11:46am
chaos

Wow, seems this is just going to be the norm under labour

*Treasury have once again allowed confidential information to get out early on its website – this time the Government’s accounting book.

The blunder has seen new Treasury secretary Caralee McLiesh apologise to minister Grant Robertson just weeks into her new job.

The agency faced heavy criticism earlier this year after it accidentally allowed snippets of Budget documents online ahead of its publication, and then described the National Party’s use of those snippets as “hacking”.*

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/116448126/treasury-apologise-to-minister-over-second-data-blunder
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October 10, 2019 11:50am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  Dear God
  These muppets are running my country – and getting paid to do it.
  [Shakes head in wonder]
  
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  October 10, 2019 11:56am
- Bell-47
  
  The sheer incompetence of this lot, especially where the digital domain in concerned is completely abysmal. I’m starting to think that Handley might have been a wise choice. It seems nobody, NOBODY has a clue about cyber security, data security or even basic checks and balances when it comes to government data. What is David Parker doing to ensure the safety and security of sensitive government data and the data held by them of private citizens?
  
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  October 10, 2019 12:17pm
- Cobolt24
  
  Ah so that’s why the link in yesterday’s post of mine went to a dead end shortly after posting. I found another website with the information though.
  https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/10/general_debate_9_october_2019.html#comment-2571357
  
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  October 10, 2019 12:19pm
Fletch

Now, in New York, if you refer to someone as an “illegal alien”, you could be liable to a $250,000 fine. They have banned the phrase. Goodbye, free speech.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/say-illegal-alien-in-new-york-city-and-now-youll-pay-a-250k-fine

These liberals are getting more deranged by the day.
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October 10, 2019 11:59am
- graham
  
  Wonder what happens if you play “Englishman In New York”?
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d27gTrPPAyk
  
  “I’m an alien,
  I’m a legal alien
  I’m an Englishman in New York”
  
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  October 10, 2019 1:05pm
rightoverlabour

Ooh, The Greta must be thrilled. This Global Warming is really heating up the planet, except here I suppose….

https://watchers.news/2019/10/09/west-plains-storm-october-2019/

https://www.kpax.com/news/montana-news/montana-is-blanketed-in-feet-of-snow-and-its-not-even-october-yet

Not too warm here either..

https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/@2016590

In the good old days before Climate Alarmism, these were called weather events, there were hot days, and cold days, and people got on with their lives. Now we have The Greta, school kids wagging and eco terrorists supergluing. I will have zero sympathy with any of this bunch freezing to death in the next few years…..
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October 10, 2019 12:06pm
- pb
  
  That Greta is insane, was not meant to be part of the green narrative, but there it is. I had never really paid her much attention until the “how dare you” video. Aspergers. She can see CO2. Her eating disorders. Self harm. OCD. Anger. Her poor relationship with her mother. The general insanity of the green ideology.
  
  Her mother chose to use her as a political chew dog, points to the problem’s origin. Absent parenting breaks kids. It’s a manifestation of the western world’s accelerating mental problems. All your issues arise from the outside. It’s not you. You don’t have to do anything but change the world. Take this overpriced pharmaceutical. Keep coming back to me for expensive therapy, my prisoner. A massive projection. Millions are being duped into cognitive dissonance, which long-term, in my opinion, leads to darkness.
  
  I wonder. But, don’t dump your kids in daycare. One of the fruits of feminism and women absent from the home is our children’s deteriorating mental stability. Snow due tomorrow too. Maybe we can go ski-ing again.
  
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  October 10, 2019 2:58pm
tranquil

More from the “this is how stupid greenies are” file – see the biggest hole in Europe (it’s in Germany) –
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLfZ3q2GCeQ&t=263s

It’s actually an opencast **lignite mine**.
Lignite is a very “dirty” form of coal.
So, the German greenies have got the nuclear plants closing down and being replaced by dirty coal-belching power plants.
Two comments on all this –
1 – the greenies getting the clean nuclear plants replaced by coal-burning plants shows that the hysteria and BS about “manmade climate change” is exactly that – **BS**.
Even the greenies know that (although they will never admit it).
2 – it has never really been about “climate change” at all, but about **gaining power**.
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October 10, 2019 12:10pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Knowing nature, plant life (on land and sea) will probably be stimulated by an increase in CO2 to grow more, thus “mopping up” the excess and reaching a new equilibrium.
  Nature is like that. Lots and lots of self-correcting mechanisms in a dynamic and apparently chaotic system.
  
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  October 10, 2019 12:34pm
Swifty

Any thoughts on why the mosque shooter’s name is not used?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12275255
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October 10, 2019 12:20pm
- tranquil
  
  I guess the thinking is that the guy would like the notoriety and “familiarity” that comes with repeated public use of his name.
  
  Having said that, I think “the cat is out of the bag” anyway in that respect.
  
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  October 10, 2019 12:38pm
- Tall Man
  
  Childish “voldemort” stupidity. What else would we expect from ardern?
  
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  October 10, 2019 1:18pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  When my partner read he wasn’t eating, he reckoned that could be cos he knows the ‘trustees’ working in the kitchen are probaly wiping their bums on his lettuce leefs 🙁
  
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  October 10, 2019 1:29pm
  - Swifty
    
    I would have thought he’d be eating in his peter – so the kitchen boys won’t know which meal is going to who.
    
    However, anything can be arranged…..
    
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    October 10, 2019 1:52pm
Batman

Yowch, 51% in a Fox News Poll say Trump should be impeached AND removed.

https://twitter.com/KSoltisAnderson/status/1182054639438647296?s=19

Would be fair to say I am surprised. I wouldn’t expect removal to become popular until much, much later on
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October 10, 2019 12:36pm
- chaos
  
  Article
  
  https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-record-support-for-trump-impeachment
  
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  October 10, 2019 12:41pm
- DigNap15
  
  I was very supprised and disappointed that Trump appears to have been @spying@ on Biden.
  Why bother the guy is an old fool and would never get elected.
  
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  October 10, 2019 12:58pm
  - stephieboy
    
    DipNap15,
    
    Refer my post as at 8.45am for some clues.
    
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    October 10, 2019 3:40pm
- Jules99
  
  Funny how since Fox was sold to Disney they have become much more anti-Trump.
  
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  October 10, 2019 3:01pm
graham

Sigh … Stuff can’t even get their articles promoting “Climate Change Emergency (TM)” accurate.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/116401098/harvesting-rain-a-no-brainer

With the right system in place, rainwater could meet around 65 per cent of your household needs.

Only 65%? Just what do these wet-behind-the-ears people think those of us who live in a rural area do for the other 35% of our household needs?

I live in the Rodney area of Auckland, and am completely reliant on rainwater – as are several other Kiwibloggers. In 12 years I’ve only ever had to buy water once, and that was mainly so I could top up a fishpond on my property – if it wasn’t for that I would have been able to cope.

No idea what my water usage is per year, but according to one site I found the average person in NZ uses 227 litres per day. With three people in my house that works out to just under 3 million litres in 12 years. When I bought the water I think it was 11,000 litres – in other words, in 12 years my tanks have supplied 99.6% of my household needs.

Muppets.
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October 10, 2019 1:02pm
- Tall Man
  
  When I first moved into an area back in the late 80’s the council wanted all build in water tanks removed before a permit for an extension was granted.
  
  Councils = idiots.
  
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  October 10, 2019 1:16pm
- Jules99
  
  Some of the comments from city slickers and enviro-nuts are hilarious.
  
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  October 10, 2019 2:59pm
chaos

Lol, ummm Hillary, you might want to look in the mirror before you claim trump is obsessed with you. You can’t stop rabbiting on about trump and how you should be president.

* Hillary Clinton could beat President Trump “again” if she decides to run for president in 2020, the former secretary of state said Tuesday in an interview.

Clinton appeared on PBS News Hour and was asked about Trump’s antagonistic attitude toward her after he goaded Clinton to run for the White House again. She called him “obsessed” for mocking her email scandal and said she could beat Trump in an electoral rematch, if she ever decided to jump back in.

“It truly is remarkable how obsessed he remains with me,” she said. “But this latest tweet is so typical of him. Nothing has been more examined and looked at than my emails. We all know that. So he’s either lying or delusional or both.*

https://www.foxnews.com/media/hillary-clinton-2020-trump-rematch
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October 10, 2019 1:26pm
- stephieboy
  
  chaos,
  
  Trump Delusion Syndrome
  
  When someone is so supportive of Donald Trump that nothing he does is automatically good or part of some greater plan despite whatever it actually is (see also: 4d chess)
  
  https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Trump%20Delusion%20Syndrome
  
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  October 10, 2019 3:36pm
- Sideoiler
  
  She called him “obsessed” for mocking her email scandal and said she could beat Trump in an electoral rematch, if she ever decided to jump back in.
  
  Do It, Do It bitch, I dare you!
  A thief and a liar, beaten twice by a sub par candidate and you might want to run again,
  Do me a favour.
  
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  October 10, 2019 7:59pm
Swifty

More damned white privilege – this time in Liverpool.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxpAVCan4CQ

Bloody whites and their silver spoons!
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October 10, 2019 1:47pm
- stephieboy
  
  Swifty, you also pining for the good old days ,
  
  “Admire the industriousness of the Liverpool women who transport huge bundles of laundry to and from the local wash-house every week, crammed into old prams or balanced skilfully on their heads. The wash-house doubles as a social hub for the women, with a cafe and creche facilities. At the time of filming, this one in the Pontack Lane area was one of 13 remaining original public wash-houses in the city, although new more modernised buildings were under construction.Liverpool’s last working wash-house closed in 1995.”
  
  Let’s ban the evil automatic washing machine!
  
  Sigh!
  
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  October 10, 2019 3:29pm
  - Swifty
    
    WTF?
    
    Go and be stupid somewhere else.
    
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    October 10, 2019 6:07pm
    - chaos
      
      just ignore the troll
      
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      October 10, 2019 6:29pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Swifty, sorry old cock. I withdraw the comment but please explain the point you were trying to make?
      
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      October 10, 2019 7:13pm
      - Swifty
        
        I know I’ll regret this but here goes…..
        
        The point is – do those women look privileged to you?
        
        Eeking out a life in bombed out Liverpool, their economy ravaged, rationing (1940-54) having only just ended, families still grieving for lost loved ones….sacrificed by them to keep Europe free.
        
        And now we whine about pronouns and safe spaces and entitlements.
        
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        October 10, 2019 7:51pm
gump

A right-wing extremist has attacked a synagogue in the German city of Halle and killed two people.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/oct/09/two-people-killed-in-shooting-in-german-city-of-halle

Fortunately the doors were locked and he was unable to kill any of the worshippers inside.
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October 10, 2019 3:27pm
Kabull

While reflecting on the PM’s recent speech to the UN, where she extolled a borderless world and the need to redistribute wealth, together with her diatribe to the International Union of Socialist Youth, I was reminded of this article in The New American in August last year:

https://www.thenewamerican.com/print-magazine/item/29720-un-environmental-schemes-advance-world-government

The thrust of the article is this:
A crucial component of the “New World Order” sought by globalists, as well as a key justification for it all, is the global environment and the climate. The argument is essentially that the climate and the environment do not respect borders, so governance must be globalized too. When it comes to imposing “global governance” on humanity, the UN and the establishment behind it have three primary agreements and mechanisms to underpin it all:.. Taken together, …it is clear that concerns about the “global environment” represent one of the pillars upon which the edifice of “global governance” is being built.

Agenda 2030 is essentially a road map to global totalitarian rule over humanity. For instance, in Goal 4, Agenda 2030 demands the indoctrination of all children worldwide, with kids described in the agreement as “critical agents of change” who will rely on the Sustainable Development Goals to “channel their infinite capacities for activism into the creation of a better world.” Indeed, children worldwide must be so thoroughly indoctrinated that they will not just submit to the UN ideology known as “sustainable development,” but actually go out and “promote” it. “By 2030, ensure that all learners acquire the knowledge and skills needed to promote sustainable development, including, among others, through education for sustainable development and sustainable lifestyles,” Goal 4 explains, adding that children must also be indoctrinated into “global citizenship” and the UN’s perverse view of “human rights”

Effective execution of AGENDA 21 will require a profound reorientation of all human society, unlike anything the world has ever experienced — a major shift in the priorities of both governments and individuals and an unprecedented redeployment of human and financial resources,” continues the document. “This shift will demand that a concern for the environmental consequences of every human action be integrated into individual and collective decision-making at every level…. There are specific actions which are intended to be undertaken by multinational corporations and entrepreneurs, by financial institutions and individual investors, by high-tech companies and indigenous people, by workers and labor unions, by farmers and consumers, by students and schools, by governments and legislators, by scientists, by women, by children — in short, by every person on Earth.”

Paris Agreement
In Agenda 2030, Goal 13 is: “Take urgent action to combat climate change.” The targets under Goal 13 include more climate indoctrination of children, trillions of dollars in wealth redistribution from the poor and middle class in the West to the kleptocrats ruling Third World countries, and more. The UN agreement also touts the UN “Framework Convention on Climate Change” (UNFCCC) as “the primary international, intergovernmental forum for negotiating the global response to climate change.” And for now, at least, the Paris Agreement, negotiated at the UNFCCC event in Paris is the primary mechanism to make that happen.

That is both good news and bad news for those who oppose the UN’s scheming. In the final weeks of 2015, the UN and its member governments … sign the Paris Agreement. … All of it was done under the guise of stopping global temperatures from rising more than two degrees over pre-industrial levels, as if the UN had any idea how temperatures would be affected. In the real world, the UN and its climate prophecies have been wildly and consistently wrong.

Among the radical goals of the agreement was the restructuring of the global economy, as multiple UN bigwigs explained publicly. The goal of the climate negotiations was to “intentionally transform the economic development model, for the first time in human history,” said then-UN climate czarina Christiana Figueres, echoing a phrase she used repeatedly over a period of years. Also on the agenda was phasing out cheap and abundant energy over the coming decades, … Another key component: redistributing the wealth of Western taxpayers to Third World regimes and the UN. And finally, the deal sought to empower the UN to oversee a planetary “climate” regime with jurisdiction over emissions of carbon dioxide — in other words, power over everything, as even human breathing releases CO2.

The most frightening aspect of all this can be summarised as:

a. Indoctrinate all children worldwide so thoroughly that they will not just submit to the UN ideology of sustainable development, but actually go out and “promote” it.

b. Make trillions of dollars in wealth redistribution from the poor and middle class in the West the rulers of Third World countries.

c. Intentionally transform the whole-World economic development model and phase out cheap and abundant energy.

d. Empower the UN to oversee a planetary “climate” regime with jurisdiction over all emissions of carbon dioxide — in other words, power over everything.

If all this comes to pass, the Western World as we know it will be gone. Note that I said the ‘Western World’ – because ultimately the price will be paid by European and Judaeo-Christian nations. It is incumbent on concerned New Zealanders to push back against this movement, and to fight the climate emergency hysteria. I don’t have, unfortunately, any suggestions as to how this push-back might take place since the media is totally in thrall to the Globalists. The only hope that I see is the evident common-sense being portrayed by the Australia government and the views of broadcasters like Bolt, Kenny and Credlin.
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October 10, 2019 3:38pm
- stephieboy
  
  Seems a throwback to the John Birch Society who promoted the idea that the behind the UN was one big communist conspiracy to control and dominate the world. They claimed President Eisenhower was behind it all.
  
  https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/John_Birch_Society
  
  Agenda 21 and 2030 is just the same kind of lunatic nonsense dressed up in drag.
  
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  October 10, 2019 7:02pm
Hugh Pavletich

CHINA …

‘Golden week’ property sales plunge in major Chinese cities amid slowing economy, tight mortgage conditions … South China Morning Post

https://www.scmp.com/business/article/3032030/golden-week-property-sales-plunge-major-chinese-cities-amid-slowing

• Sales of new homes in Beijing dropped to their lowest level since 2014 during the week following the National Day holiday
• The seven-day holiday is traditionally a peak period for home sales
… via …

China’s golden week property shocker … MacroBusiness Au

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/10/chinas-golden-week-property-shocker/
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October 10, 2019 3:41pm
lifesgood

I couldn’t believe my ears. Is Jessie Mulligan the most ill informed, woke, lefty ever? He commented after a news report stating that some of the rugby games in the world cup have to be canceled due to a typhoon heading towards Japan that “if the cancellation of rugby games doesn’t make people sit up and take notice of global warming I don’t know what will”, or words to that effect. Is the guy a half wit? Hasn’t Japan had typhoons since time immemorial? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with global warming. I am beyond exasperation with these morons in charge of the air waves.
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October 10, 2019 3:51pm
- sooty
  
  He would be a sad little jessie!
  
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  October 10, 2019 5:07pm
chaos

Great to see kiwis at the front of finding cures to cancer

* A professor who was born and raised in Timaru born has made a major breakthrough in the battle against cancer by using gene-editing technology to eliminate cervical cancer in mice.

Professor Nigel McMillan, who is now based at the Menzies Health Institute in Queensland, said it is the first cure for any cancer using the technology.

“It’s been a nice breakthrough. We’re using technology called gene editing or CRISPR. This technology allows us to attack cancer at its very source – the genes themselves,” McMillan said.*

https://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald/news/116460694/timaruborn-professor-makes-huge-cancer-breakthrough
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October 10, 2019 3:55pm
Maggie Pie

You cant trust your friends either. I know exactly what this feels like!
Even I’ve had someone leaking on me 🙁

https://twitter.com/smh/status/1182140154020057088
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October 10, 2019 5:01pm
igm

I never thought Fairfax editorial employees were so low . . . if Barretts were black and played league would this have been made public?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/116469280/barrett-brothers-driving-offences-lead-to-licence-suspension-court-appearance
In fact, who bloody cares . . . unlike the aforementioned, he did not steal the car, had a licence, and is working!
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October 10, 2019 5:47pm
chaos

Jamie has zero chance of retaining his seat

* Former Air New Zealand CEO Christopher Luxon will attempt to take on Jami-Lee Ross on the National Party ticket, TVNZ have reported.

Luxon announced on 1 News that he was seeking the National Party nomination in the Auckland seat of Botany, currently held by former National MP Ross.*

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/116485669/exair-nz-boss-christopher-luxon-keen-to-stand-for-national-party-in-botany
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October 10, 2019 6:35pm
- igm
  
  Maybe his friend Winston has a position for him . . . he likes washed up deadbeats . . . loo at Jones!
  
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  October 11, 2019 7:39am
chaos

This is damning, shine should not have any involvement with domestic violence.

* Newshub has been leaked documents following Shine’s recent internal hui which suggests staff are concerned about a culture of bullying, racism and fat-shaming within the workplace.

Shine stands for Safer Homes in New Zealand Everyday. It helps thousands of Kiwi families a year through domestic violence, and receives $2 million in government funding.

But a document leaked to Newshub contains damning feedback to management from some of Shine’s fifty personnel.

It suggests they “promote racism within staff”, that there is a lack of “basic respect” and there are “violent women putting down women”.

Other issues listed in the 37 page document include “fat-shaming” staff who are overweight.

A source has told Newshub one manager has publicly told the office “it’s an unhealthy and unprofessional look in the community” to be “big”.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/10/practice-what-they-preach-domestic-violence-charity-shine-facing-bullying-racism-and-fat-shaming-claims-from-staff.html
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October 10, 2019 6:40pm
- GoVege
  
  Nothing new here, chaos.
  Women’s refuge workers have been bullying eachother (and inmates) for decades.
  Its just in the past it got covered up better.
  Shine sounds better than the Dunedin refuge recently in the news, btw.
  Most of the workers are wonderful people…its just that in this country especially, bullies tend to end up in charge.
  And female bullies have no loyalty to other women.
  They need to include a few nice men in the running of refuges.
  But that might not gel with the anti-male rhetoric…..
  
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  October 10, 2019 8:08pm
Hugh Pavletich

NEW ZEALAND …

Ex-Air NZ boss Christopher Luxon confirms desire to run for Parliament with National … TVNZ

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/ex-air-nz-boss-christopher-luxon-confirms-desire-run-parliament-national

Former Air New Zealand CEO Christopher Luxon has put his hat in the ring to become National’s candidate for the controversial seat of Botany – independent MP Jami-Lee Ross’ current electorate.

Mr Luxon told 1 NEWS political editor Jessica Mutch McKay he would be putting his candidate nomination to the National Party for the electorate of Botany, and that he looked forward “to the robust democratic selection process ahead with the local membership”.

Despite not living in Botany, Mr Luxon said he grew up in the electorate and still has family ties there.

1 NEWS understands about 60 National Party members will decide on the Botany candidate.

The confirmation comes after Mr Luxon announced his resignation from Air NZ in June – sparking a flurry of speculation of his political intentions.

The move saw Mr Luxon’s first appearance with one per cent as preferred Prime Minister in the 1 NEWS Colmar Brunton Poll in July. … read more via hyperlink above …
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October 10, 2019 6:46pm
- secondcumming
  
  Any truth in the rumor that he’s some sort of religious tit?
  
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  October 10, 2019 7:06pm
Swifty

Paradoxes of neoliberalism:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9sB4uldnbM

If anyone can follow this stuff they are doing better than me.

I clearly have not been blessed with sufficient intelligence to follow the arguments of these lofty scholars.
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