General Debate 7 September 2019

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AgainstTheFlow

Being a Labour backbencher must be a terrible thing.

Every day you wake up and are reminded you have less talent than Phil Twyford.
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September 7, 2019 8:01am
- chaos
  
  they likely wake up and think, thank god I don’t have to be the face of any of the constant cluster*****, I might still get elected next time into opposition. Stay quiet, keep my head down and Cindy won’t pick me for a scapegoat.
  
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  September 7, 2019 8:56am
  - AgainstTheFlow
    
    That’s true as well…
    
    And thoughts of life outside of Parliament..
    
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    September 7, 2019 9:54am
    - Colville
      
      care to name a Labour backbencher who is capable of holding down a job outside of Parliament?
      
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      September 7, 2019 11:56am
      - Komata
        
        Colville@1156
        
        Cindy DID come immediately to mind…Oh, wait, she’s been ‘Promoted’…
        
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        September 7, 2019 1:24pm
    - sooty
      
      Nah, the trough will ever be as deep for any of the COL ever again!
      
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      September 7, 2019 12:08pm
- Humble Capitalist
  
  The only backbench Labour MP I know has more talent and charisma in his left ear lobe than Twyford. Not saying a lot though I know.
  
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  September 7, 2019 8:59am
- Thought Criminal
  
  I think they wake up each morning full of envy of the successful people in society.
  
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  September 7, 2019 10:38am
  - Humble Capitalist
    
    With faces as bitter and twisted as a Corbyn
    
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    September 7, 2019 11:51am
- Michael
  
  ATF
  On reflection, that is so very sad.
  
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  September 7, 2019 3:02pm
Maggy Wassilieff

The Secretary-General of the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) says that the alarmist narrative on climate change has gone off the rails and criticised the news media for provoking unjustified anxiety.
https://www.thegwpf.com/wmo-boss-says-climate-discussion-has-gone-off-the-rails/
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September 7, 2019 8:11am
- JB.49
  
  Check this out
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6iOOuZCE_Y&t=5s
  
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  September 7, 2019 8:18am
- rightoverlabour
  
  Can’t have a rational debate about this. Doesn’t suit the underlying agenda which has nothing to do with climate. Of course, the media know much more than the thousands of academics that are questioning the status quo.
  
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  September 7, 2019 8:19am
- SGA
  
  Maggy, I couldn’t find a translation of the SG’s full interview in English (I wanted to read the snippets in context). Did you come across one?
  
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  September 7, 2019 8:27am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    The original is in Finnish.
    Here:
    https://www.talouselama.fi/uutiset/ilmastoguru-petteri-taalas-ilmastonmuutos-ei-ole-viela-riistaytynyt-kasista-mutta-keskustelu-siita-on-siina-on-uskonnollisen-aariliikkeen-piirteita/3152ead4-9a15-4a03-8cdd-b027a403e106
    
    Some of it is paywalled.
    
    That’s the reason I provided an English version.
    
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    September 7, 2019 9:15am
    - SGA
      
      The original is in Finnish.
      
      Yes, I know, that’s why I asked whether you had come across a translation of the full interview. Your link is selected snippets, and I wanted to read them in context. I couldn’t find one, and wondered whether you had.
      
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      September 7, 2019 9:22am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        You can get 5 articles for Free from Talouselämä.
        
        Download itself yourself if you want to read it in full context.
        
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        September 7, 2019 9:51am
      - SGA
        
        And, it might be a fun exercise just to see how well Google translate can do under such circumstances. I’ll see how my day unfolds (I’m not so invested as to prioritise it).
        
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        September 7, 2019 9:58am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        It is also reported here:
        https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/09/06/wmo-secretary-general-warns-against-climate-doomsters-and-extremists/
        
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        September 7, 2019 10:00am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      A Google translate of the Finnish headline:
      Climate guru Petteri Taalas: Climate change is not yet out of control, but the debate is – “It has the features of a religious extremism”
      
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      September 7, 2019 9:28am
- atomic drop
  
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  There is no english translation available?
  
  Then sorry, can’t put any trust in it.
  
  Googled your link site – it is a “Think Tank” and is connected to a lobby group.
  
  Don’t you care about the quality of sources you use to inform yourself?
  
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  September 7, 2019 8:41am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    There is no english translation available?
    
    Then sorry, can’t put any trust in it.
    
    Tell that to the Tangata whenua about the Treaty of Waitangi, then.
    
    Do you think we all should be monolingual?
    
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    September 7, 2019 9:17am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Brilliant Maggie!
      
      Made my day and, I laughed without spilling my coffee so all good!
      
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      September 7, 2019 9:37am
    - atomic drop
      
      Oh please, what are you playing at?
      
      Just use quality sources instead of lobby groups and articles in non english languages that I can’t verify for myself.
      
      Thanks.
      
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      September 7, 2019 11:17am
      - niggly
        
        The source is the Secretary-General of the World Meteorological Organization, he was interviewed – those are his spoken words!
        
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        September 7, 2019 1:27pm
      - Alan Wilkinson
        
        Since what the quote says is obviously true, why you are sceptical?
        
        Perhaps you can get Michael Mann to reveal his quality sources since he seems most reluctant to do so for the courts.
        
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        September 7, 2019 2:12pm
    - rightoverlabour
      
      Bugger, you are sharp!
      
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      September 7, 2019 12:12pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    How’s your Finish? Polished?
    
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    September 7, 2019 10:01am
    - kowtow
      
      Greecey , actually.
      
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      September 7, 2019 4:46pm
- bill ramsay
  
  And yet the very same WMO puts this up.
  
  https://public.wmo.int/en/media/news/wmo-state-of-climate-report-%E2%80%9Cyet-another-strong-wake-call%E2%80%9D
  
  WUWT and GWPF are running this story as it suits their narrative.
  
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  September 7, 2019 8:53am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Taalas isn’t denying Climate Change… he’s stating that the media beat-up/climate alarmism is out of control.
    
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    September 7, 2019 9:54am
    - stephieboy
      
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      “Media” are not having a beat up about climate change . eg
      
      Why are climate change activists always accused of “extremism”?
      
      A new report about Extinction Rebellion is part of a longstanding pattern of think tanks criticising climate change activism,
      
      https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/energy/2019/07/why-are-climate-change-activists-always-accused-extremism
      
      As with climate alarmists climate deniers have their exact equivalents!
      
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      September 7, 2019 11:08am
      - Ruawai
        
        And people that question and challenge climate change are always called climate change deniers.
        
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        September 7, 2019 1:06pm
    - atomic drop
      
      Do you speak Finnish? Otherwise you are just parroting the think tank/lobby group piece you have linked do.
      
      Do better.
      
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      September 7, 2019 11:20am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @atomic drop
        
        You can challenge me as much as you like about the Sources I use, but please note:
        
        1. I assume you are an adult that can check things further for yourself
        
        2. It is not compulsory to read any post I place here on KB, or to visit the links I post.
        
        3. You have failed to provide a reason as to why the GWPF shouldn’t give a commentary on an interview (in a very obscure Finnish Magazine) by the SG of the WMO.
        
        4. Are you willing to provide us with some insight about your ability to critique sources?
        
        5. My history is fairly well known….but some years working as a science editor, as a Consultant editor for Dictionary of NZ English, as a Science writer and fact-checker for an Online Encyclopedia, and as a consultant reviewer for Book manuscripts has meant that I can usually sort out spin from substance.
        
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        September 7, 2019 1:55pm
      - Michael
        
        Atomic
        That is a bit rude don’t you think?
        
        You sound like a lefty twat writing like that..
        Just saying.
        
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        September 7, 2019 2:59pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    That “Report” proves the Secretary-Generals point about alarmism perfectly.
    
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    September 7, 2019 11:43am
- niggly
  
  Thanks Maggy, very interesting, so much in there but I noted the last line:
  
  “Taalas hopes that mainstream media will become more critical and hopes more for a more diverse presentation of views and argues that all sides should be interviewed.”
  
  Considering Stuff has closed off all debate, the likes of TVNZ and Radio NZ generally cover only one side of the debate (and downplay the other side of the debate), I feel NZ MSM need to self-reflect and re-examine their stance. Do they want to be seen as propagandists (for the CC extremists) and alarmists (hurting children’s health and well-being)?
  
  The only MSM outlet in NZ that is challenging the CC extremist narrative are the hosts of MagicTalk talkback radio – a lone beacon of hope in an increasingly alarmist and one-sided debate.
  
  Let’s raise a toast to you – Peter, Sean, Ryan and Leah! 🙂
  
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  September 7, 2019 9:40am
alloytoo

Well, it’s off to the re-education camp for him.
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September 7, 2019 8:14am
rightoverlabour

wankers. https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/better-business/115601715/christchurch-mayor-slams-new-gun-city-signage

Are Guns legal in New Zealand? Just wondering with all the woke PC bullshit going on here. Rape occurs every day, but we don’t condemn the advertising of condoms and sex shops. Think about it….
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September 7, 2019 8:17am
- kowtow
  
  The name Christchurch could send an “unintended message” about the city ……….shhhhhhh , let’s not give the mongs any ideas , I’ve no doubt they’d love to change that too.
  
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  September 7, 2019 9:52am
- Tricati
  
  Yep, she has some real competition here this election so trying to look concerned.
  Bloody good riddance if we manage to vote her out.
  
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  September 7, 2019 11:43am
Ruawai

Biggest mistake of Kiwibuild is the idea that first home buyers can afford a brand new house. Almost always entry level houses for first home buyers are in cheaper areas and older houses.
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September 7, 2019 8:22am
- Colville
  
  First home buyers can afford a new house. Not a 280M2 4 bed 2 bath job tho.
  A modest 3 bed one a tight section is very possible. Build cost is less than $300K but the land component kills it and its the land that Kiwibuild should have focused on.
  
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  September 7, 2019 9:13am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Historically high interest rates meant you could move ‘up the ladder’ a few years after buying first home. Inflation rapidly reduced mortgages. Now low interest rates, high house prices 30 year mortgages and huge agent fees (1 year disposable income) make it unaffordable to trade up. Quite sensible for FHB to try and skip small house, they will have families to house in a few years
    
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    September 7, 2019 10:32am
    - Colville
      
      Urban.
      I am glad you are not my investment advisor.
      Its cheaper to buy than rent and the capital gain made on even a modest home will pay off agents fees (if you use one) many times over.
      
      Why cant a FHB live in a 3 bed 120M2 home for 10 years while the kids are small?
      
      The real trade up should be in location and less travel time as that is what affects quality of life as your kids are more demanding.
      
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      September 7, 2019 12:05pm
    - Nermal
      
      A large part of moving up the ladder was to buy a rather decrepit old home and put in a lot of effort and a bit of money to do it up, thereby increasing its value. This option is obviously not available to first time new home buyers
      
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      September 7, 2019 12:58pm
  - John Warren
    
    I’m working with an apprentice electrician, a 22-year-old in her third year, efficient and hard working. She comes from a family of three siblings and a solo mother. She bought her first house last year, a modest ex-State house in a regular part of Christchurch, saving hard and forgoing all the frippery. She was given a company van, so sold her car and puts the savings into her mortgage. Spends her weekends working on her property. She proves it can be done, with a bit of work and willpower, and without any handups. She’s my new hero.
    
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    September 7, 2019 1:22pm
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Go that girl!
      
      Will she succeed in life? Yes!
      
      Does.she vote labour? Fuck, no!
      
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      September 7, 2019 5:44pm
- artemisia
  
  What’s wrong with a studio apartment as the first step? Pay down the mortgage as fast as possible, second jobs, few toys, porridge rather than smashed avo on sourdough. Five years later, sell up or rent out and trade up.
  
  Just watch the body corp levies – one of the reasons apartments are cheaper – and leasehold land.
  
  Does imply being a DINKY though.
  
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  September 7, 2019 9:37am
- Thought Criminal
  
  I reckon the biggest mistake was assuming that and army of gummint bureaucrats could more efficiently organise the construction of housing than private companies and the free market.
  
  Socialist wet dream.
  
  Labour = useless
  
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  September 7, 2019 10:42am
  - Michael
    
    TC
    I disagree.
    There are some really good people in NZ who could do it.
    
    To my mind, at least 20% of the people need HNZ with a flat pack factory near Hamilton building 2-3 bed room units for the regions.
    
    The present Labour lot can’t do it, they are useless.
    National could have and should.
    Morons.
    If they had, they’d still be in power.
    
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    September 7, 2019 2:50pm
- Michael
  
  Yep, a small footprint plot and 2-3 bedroom house.
  $300k max.
  In UK in 70’s starter homes had 2 floors with only the Bathroom upstairs finished.
  Downstairs the Lounge/dining room, Kitchen and sep Bedroom (study) finished.
  Owners could do the upstairs as they could afford it.
  or do it themselves. (wired but just framed).
  
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  September 7, 2019 2:56pm
- Rob2
  
  The single most insurmountable problem with building low-cost houses is that there are very few places to build them. Every subdivision these days has covenants designed to protect the new home building owners from cheap affordable housing be built or transported on the sections in the subdivision.
  If any govt. no matter what colour or inclination wants to build low cost as we did in the ’70s then they have to either outlaw covenants of that kind, (not going to happen as the subdividers and new owners have property rights, so without them doing this then its a no) or the govt. has to develop the subdivision with the appropriate rules.
  There is nothing wrong with building a subdivision, leasing the ground for 100 years or more at a small annual rental and allowing the new owners to build, move on a new build, low-cost house or even an older house to refurbish. They don’t need flash garages as part of a house, they can come later. Just paths, clothesline, fences and grass.
  
  We did that back then. Still have a number of houses like that, including one I did a few years back on a back section.
  
  If we want to fix housing then that is what needs doing.
  Twyford knew that but failed to get the subdivisions going and past the councils.
  
  Bob the Builder wanted to do that in Tauranga BUT, the council frustrated him and stopped him. He has since sold the area to another company who want start for another 4-5 years and their houses will be not affordable like they are now.
  
  We can guess who pressured the councillors not to allow Bob to get this done.
  
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  September 7, 2019 7:04pm
Greg Ettridge

The Qantas CEO has also had flash of reality.
He was all for the cause until his airline and bonus appeared to be in for the chop, he is now had a change in attitude. Converted overnight.
What a difference your bonus makes, or lack of it.
Telling children they have just over a decade before Armageddon is child abuse, they should all be held to account. Start with World leaders, should be World alarmists, certainly not leaders.
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September 7, 2019 8:37am
- Rich Prick
  
  Climate change is turning out to be Cindy’s nuclear bunker moment.
  
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  September 7, 2019 8:55am
  - Komata
    
    RP@0855
    
    Cindy Who?
    
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    September 7, 2019 9:11am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I think he means the Cindy that visits NZ occasionally, the one that spends 4 hours per week in the house when Parliament is in session.
      
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      September 7, 2019 9:25am
      - Komata
        
        Steve @ 0925
        
        Thank you, I DID wonder…
        
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        September 7, 2019 1:30pm
The Proper Ghandi

If you have not done anything wrong or said anything incorrect, never apologise:
https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/vandervis-apologises-young-voter-remark
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September 7, 2019 8:39am
- Nermal
  
  True. The offended always remain offended, and you lose the support of those who agreed with you in the first place. A lose-lose situation
  
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  September 7, 2019 1:02pm
Scott

A very good article from American greatness about the Trump agenda and its pushback against globalisation. America is pushing back against China which has been the big globalisation winner and is supporting the workers of America who made things and has been the big loser. Trump’s support for the forgotten men and women of America is praiseworthy and thoroughly Christian.

Here in NZ we have had the same phenomenon. Tariffs were cut, good local companies went to the wall and many people lost their jobs and their prosperity and have never found them again. We used to manufacture things in NZ. Now we send our raw material like untreated logs on a boat to China.

This is an issue for all NZers. Do we want to be a nation of globalist consumers waiting for our next cheap package from Amazon? Or are we going to recover our nation and our self respect and start making things again?

https://amgreatness.com/2019/09/04/welcome-to-the-great-undoing/
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September 7, 2019 8:40am
- Scott
  
  And we note that the American economy is so good at the moment! Unemployment is at a 50 year low. The mainstream anti Trump media just won’t report it but this is a great time for the American economy.
  
  https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/09/jobs-jobs-jobs-july-results-show-130000-more-new-jobs-unemployment-stays-at-50-year-low-3-7/
  
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  September 7, 2019 8:45am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Scoot, Ted Malloch a Trump toady known for his odious obsequiousness.
    
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    September 7, 2019 11:04am
    - Tall Man
      
      You’d think you two would get on quite well then.
      
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      September 7, 2019 1:30pm
    - Scott
      
      Stephieboy – thank you so much for your enlightened and helpful comments. I always enjoy your constructive criticism. ?
      
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      September 7, 2019 1:31pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Trump 2020
    
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    September 7, 2019 11:40am
- rjay
  
  That is not the choice. Your logical conclusion is: do we want to be Amish communities with total self sufficiency or do we want to do things we are good at and trade things for things others are good at.
  On an individual level. Would I rather build a log cabin all by myself or live in a nice house built by experts, paid for by me working as a IT specialist
  
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  September 7, 2019 9:02am
  - kowtow
    
    Amish are nicer folk than commies.
    
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    September 7, 2019 9:54am
    - Tall Man
      
      Everyone is nicer than commies.
      
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      September 7, 2019 1:30pm
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    Its about personal preferences. I would love to live in a log cabin – in fact I intend to as my next property. It will of course have have wood-fired central heating, and immense thermal mass. Paid for by me working as an expert professional!
    
    The reason for this is not that I’ve become a tinfoil hat wearing prepper. It’s simply that on the evidence, I do not trust successive governments to focus on their core functions.
    
    At the moment it doesn’t matter because I have skills and a good income.
    
    But, when I move to a fixed income, this will matter an awful lot. Ask any pensioner how they are enjoying power and supermarket prices when their savings are delivering less than 2%!
    
    Massive over-reach on “climate”, immigration and open-borders and all the other causes held dear by the right thinking people, have propelled NZ into a low wage economy with higher food, energy, housing and land prices, with worse infrastructure than almost any of our equivalent countries.
    
    top half of the OECD, Pah! at the rate we are going, we’ll be expelled in a decade for making the charts look bad.
    
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    September 7, 2019 10:11am
    - John Warren
      
      Ask pensioners about rates rises too! Oh no… I’ve started myself off.
      
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      September 7, 2019 1:25pm
  - Scott
    
    Is it a zero sum game as some people suggest? At the moment we do not have trade that is free or fair. China rips off America, that is well documented. Is it fair to assume that China is ripping us off too? That China is dumping cheap goods on the market to destroy local businesses? I think that’s very possible.
    Do we want to be reliant on China? I think we in NZ are very capable of making things of good quality and at a reasonable price. But since the 80’s our local businesses haven’t had a chance. Because of china’s many unfair trading practices.
    We will only become prosperous when we add value to our excellent raw products. But we need an even playing field.
    
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    September 7, 2019 10:11am
    - stephieboy
      
      “But we need an even playing field.” ??
      
      At the expense of the consumer?
      
      Also not forgetting Jap /Korean etc car imports.
      
      Are you suggesting NZ has a tariff war with China?
      
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      September 7, 2019 1:20pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Great sentiments but the Captain’s comment identifies the fatal flaw.
      
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      September 7, 2019 1:32pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  “Or are we going to recover our nation and our self respect and start making things again?”
  
  Sounds like a plan. Can’t wait for being forced to pay twice the world price for a shoddily-made old-technology TV.
  
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  September 7, 2019 9:53am
- MCos
  
  Years ago companies in NZ used to manufacture/assemble things like cars and tvs protected by regulations prohibiting their importation.
  Effectively this meant that the general population paid far too much for this stuff so that a few thousand workers had jobs in those industries.
  
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  September 7, 2019 10:11am
  - artemisia
    
    Those few thou workers also had collective agreements and penal rates. I suppose that certain offshore workers also had Collective agreements. Just different.
    
    New Zealand can and does compete in several fields, even excel. That is where our effort should be going, not in trying to bring bulk socks and underwear manufacturing back here.
    
    I guess we could set up Sock City Aotearoa, powered by wind and paying the living wage. Eketahuna would be a good location.
    
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    September 7, 2019 12:09pm
    - Rob2
      
      Have you not read about the abilities of companies like rocket Lab?
      Build rockets better and cheaper here in NZ than anywhere else.
      Have faith some of us can do this stuff even if you can’t.
      
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      September 7, 2019 7:10pm
      - artemisia
        
        And that was exactly my point. A point that clearly went right by you.
        
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        September 8, 2019 7:26am
- DigNap15
  
  I agree with yoru sentiment.
  But we have always sent our raw logs overseas.
  We cannot make them into anything useful here.
  So why would companies overseas buy our products.
  
  Eg we used to make furniture here in NZ.
  Now its all flat pack crap.
  Pine logs are for packaging.
  
  We also send oru raw fish overseas.
  And our meat in carcass form
  Our wages are just too high, and getting higher every year!
  
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  September 7, 2019 1:06pm
- Rob2
  
  We have sent logs to china forever and before that to Korea.
  
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  September 7, 2019 7:06pm
oldpark

What price MMP. Just think about this one. here we have a Labour List MP. The same wee man is what is known as a three time Electoral seat loser. Yes the NZ voters refused to elect David Parker to win an electoral seat. Yet here he is as a List MP allegedly putting the boot in to farmers on so called water quality,when infact they are way ahead of what Parker and his cohorts have chosen to ignore. As well as scaring the life out of West Coast of South Island hard working residents ,when all they wanted was a chance to increase employment with their special project.
Parker vetoed it against all common sense requirements.
One can only wonder with Peters selected List MPs such as Parker from Labour who needs the far left lunatic Greens to help destroy NZs economy and lifestyle, Labour have trumped them.
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September 7, 2019 8:53am
- Komata
  
  Oldpark@0853
  
  And don’t forget Sage’s moment of triumph at Waihi when she effectively shut down a mine ‘because of its effect on ALL the people of the Coromandel Peninsula (My paraphrase).
  
  Ideology rules, OK!!
  
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  September 7, 2019 9:14am
Happychappy

Jacinda’s and David Clark’s Pork Barrel Politics are about to come back to bite them on the arse. It seems the $60 million given to Pharmac to fight cancer with new and better drugs is not quite true as it is also for other illnesses. Then Pharmac releases a statement that they won’t be making a decision on what new drug they will purchase to April 2020 leading to statements from those involved to say 200 lives have been lost already to this disease with 100 more through this decision also likely. Is there anything that this Health Minster has a say in is the truth as the Menagcocle vaccines bulls up ,the Measles epidemic with not enough vaccines and the lies in there cancer plan.
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September 7, 2019 8:59am
- chaos
  
  Joke cancer plan $60 million
  
  Pike mine re-entry under labour currently at $36 million.
  
  One of these things is a waste of money that won’t save any lives.
  
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  September 7, 2019 9:15am
  - Komata
    
    chaos@0915
    
    Re: ‘One of these things is a waste of money that won’t save any lives’
    
    But, but it just might, the miners at Pike River could even now still be alive, and be waiting behind the rockfall for the glorious leaders of the NZ Labour Party and NZ First to come down the drift and liberate them from their chains of darkness and lead them back out into the nirvana that they (the glorious leaders of the NZ Labour Party and NZ First ) have created in their absence.
    
    All hail to the the glorious leaders etc. etc. etc.
    
    (Thought you should be the first to know)
    
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    September 7, 2019 9:27am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      They will be in the Guiness World Records book for making one piece of Kendal mint cake last so long amongst so many!
      
      Loaves and fishes be gone I say, there is a new messiah on the block and His name is Labour!
      
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      September 7, 2019 9:43am
  - kowtow
    
    Many millions available to confiscate firearms off the licenced and lawful .
    
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    September 7, 2019 11:09am
  - tranquil
    
    @chaos – Agreed! $36 million for a pathetic virtue-signalling exercise that will change **nothing.**
    How much does it cost to build a school – 10 or 15 million? They could have built two or three schools with the money that they’ve thrown down the toilet.
    
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    September 7, 2019 12:34pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Pharmac have a capable team that checks out what has been proven to work and buy that. I am pleased to here they are resisting the COL’s pressures too.
  If Pharmac are not already providing the medications they will be off little benefit or awaiting proof to justify their use and cost.
  
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  September 7, 2019 10:09am
Happychappy

Is this just another ploy to give Jacinda a lift in the polls from our political corrupt media and there wannabe Journalists
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12265679
The return to the Mosque Shootings, Mental Health and Cancer in which one she excelled in with many like me suggesting a that the true result for the other two could take a few years to judge.
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September 7, 2019 9:10am
- niggly
  
  Tut tut, why didn’t the Herald “paywall” that “exclusive” reflective interview with NZ’s No 1 International Celebrity (and occasional PTPM)?
  
  (So we don’t have to read it of course)!
  
  Has the NZ Labour Party flexed its muscles and bullied the NZ Herald into ensuring all articles about the PTPM be publicly available (and not hidden behind a paywall)?
  
  Let’s do an experiment and see how many future interviews are public v paywalled. I bet the answer so far is all have been public!
  
  (I’m not including analysis and commentary by the NZH political journos eg Audrey Young etc, I mean articles written by the “general” reporters who normally cover a wide ranger of topics, like the author of this particular interview in today’s Herald)!
  
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  September 7, 2019 9:51am
  - DigNap15
    
    I dont care!
    I never bother to visit the Herald site anymore.
    Its a women’s magazine without the glossy pages.
    Premium!?
    
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    September 7, 2019 1:09pm
    - Rob2
      
      Stuff is worse but I found that paying was a good option.
      Only socialists want everything for nothing.
      You get what you pay for.
      
      So digi make up your mind about which side of the divide you belong, either you are an upright freedom seeker or a socialist that writes crap for our benefit.
      Your choice.
      
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      September 7, 2019 7:32pm
- herewego
  
  Definitely. You can tell it’s propaganda because it’s not behind the paywall!
  
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  September 7, 2019 10:11am
- Kabull
  
  I can’t help feeling that her comments have been heavily edited – she never talks with the clarity in the article.
  
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  September 7, 2019 10:52am
noskire

What was really said at the Trump-Kim summit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqW5ynwFxas
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September 7, 2019 9:11am
- Inandout
  
  On a serious note, Kim attended a European school and learnt English, so he knows exactly what is said.
  
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  September 7, 2019 12:00pm
Komata

Happychappy@0859

Anything that he CAN say?

Why yes: ‘Let’s form a Committee to fully analyse the problem and then have it report back to us when its finished its task (Which may take two or three years, ‘cos we’ve gotta get it right) …”

W hat else would you expect? Can’t make a ‘decision’ without ‘Committee’ input Comrade…
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September 7, 2019 9:18am
chaos

Back to the old labour days of people having to go to Aussie for their health

*Kiwi toddler fights spinal muscular atrophy in Australia after Pharmac stall access to life-saving drug*

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/09/kiwi-toddler-fights-spinal-muscular-atrophy-in-australia-after-pharmac-stall-access-to-life-saving-drug.html
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September 7, 2019 9:28am
WaveyDavey

Whine, whine… feckin’… whine

https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv-radio/115366927/paddy-gower-politics-drove-me-to-the-brink

Don’t like it then f*ck off and let someone who wants it do the job you egotistical cockwomble.

PS You’re really not very good at it anyway and possess all the charisma, charm and intelligence of a rotting goldfish
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September 7, 2019 10:04am
- Inandout
  
  WD, Gower has a terrible TV face, and should be restricted to radio. Children can be so affected by such sights.
  
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  September 7, 2019 12:03pm
- John Warren
  
  He’s a dreadfully insecure manic depressive, by my estimation. Man needs help, medication.
  
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  September 7, 2019 1:28pm
- Swifty
  
  And these are the people who want Labour to raid your wallet to keep themselves in work.
  
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  September 7, 2019 2:59pm
  - Swifty
    
    *I’d rather have no ‘traditional’ media than one beholding to their government/lefty paymasters.
    
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    September 7, 2019 3:00pm
Maggie Pie

Just rang my partner’s mum to see if she’d like to come over for dinner tonite.
She sounded absolutely dreadful poor thing. Said she would rather stay home till she was feeling better. I told her that would certainly be the best thing, the last thing she wants is to be bedridden. She totally agreed, saying these days she far prefers it bent over her Walking Frame.
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September 7, 2019 10:16am
KevO'Brien

Brightly dawns the wedding day…

My youngest daughter is getting married this afternoon at St Michael & all Angels Church in Christchurch.
She will be 18 later this month and despite chronic pain sings like an angel herself and is marvelously mulit-talented.
She is marrying a young Maori bloke training in IT, also very creative.
I was only 18 when I started out on that journey–the genes will not be denied.
An exciting future awaits.
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September 7, 2019 10:22am
- Tricati
  
  Best wishes to them both – Have a great day
  
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  September 7, 2019 1:51pm
Maggy Wassilieff

I would hope that I could exude some sympathy/empathy for a fellow human being who has suffered a breakdown…but for some reason, the milk of human kindness seems not be flowing after I read Stuff’s puff-piece on Paddy Gower.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv-radio/115366927/paddy-gower-politics-drove-me-to-the-brink

Why do I feel that I’ve been screwed over?
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September 7, 2019 10:30am
- Happychappy
  
  We think Jacinda is a attention seeker well she’s not in the same class as Patrick Gower. Gower is arsole who in a lot of people view is in the same class of Journalism as Nicky Hager and Matt Nippert that don’t do facts if it doesn’t suit there narrative and make dirt to address the Political Party they dislike.
  
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  September 7, 2019 11:08am
  - DigNap15
    
    Did Gower think of the misery he has caused thousands of New Zealanders by being rabidly anti National last election.
    
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    September 7, 2019 1:11pm
- kowtow
  
  Stuff / media works , who ever, are really scrapping the bottom of the barrel when their ‘news’ stories ( fables) are about themselves.
  
  Why do I feel the need to reach for a barf bag?
  
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  September 7, 2019 11:17am
  - Gravelroad
    
    There are too many journalists, reporters and tv presenters who want to be the story not be the conduit for reporting the NEWS.
    P. Gower is one of these.
    He is not newsworthy.
    Neither is Hillary Barry yet night after night the story is about her – “I think”, does this top look good on me? How to make custard squares (as though she’s on a cooking programme).
    Many reporters are actually boring people (I know as I used to be one).
    
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    September 7, 2019 4:19pm
- atomic drop
  
  At least the original source of your post isn’t in Yiddish or something this time.
  
  Keep up the good work!
  
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  September 7, 2019 11:24am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    קיין פּראָבלעם
    
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    September 7, 2019 4:01pm
- Tricati
  
  Yes Maggy – This arse is so biased he twists like a corkscrew. His over the top comments regarding the 11Billion hole last election was appalling and now says it was tough. He should be awarded cry-baby of the week, if not, year.
  
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  September 7, 2019 11:48am
chaos

Dear Helen, please take your job as retired politician, although we still pay your a good sum of money each year, and butt out of politics. Ok so the current government incompetent and boarding on corrupt, but that doesn’t mean you should face their policy.

*Helen Clark backs letting ex-criminals sell cannabis legally*

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/09/helen-clark-backs-letting-ex-criminals-sell-cannabis-legally.html
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September 7, 2019 10:51am
- MCos
  
  What happened to freedom of speech as espoused by the even older ex-politician Don Brash?
  Anyone can say what they like, can’t they?
  It’s the reporting of what they say that you should have an issue with.
  
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  September 7, 2019 12:18pm
  - chaos
    
    Yeah, except it is as plain as say that this former prime minister is constantly in the media to do the governments job of pushing their policy.
    
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    September 7, 2019 1:44pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  The COL should set up an Official Residence for the former PM on Auckland Island.
  
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  September 7, 2019 12:26pm
- Rich Prick
  
  We had the garlic, and the bloke with the wooden stake had just one job to do!
  
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  September 7, 2019 12:48pm
BrownSnake

Which Group of people achieve this every day

…murder more people every day than the KKK has in the last 70 years (26 since 1945).
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September 7, 2019 11:19am
- The King
  
  Mmm dunno, Islam killed 84,000 people in 2017 alone but we most focus on the rise of White Supremacy.
  
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  September 7, 2019 2:34pm
  - stephieboy
    
    “Islam killed 84,000 people in 2017 alone..”
    
    ???
    
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    September 7, 2019 4:46pm
- chaos
  
  The labour government?
  
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  September 7, 2019 6:21pm
- Ruahine
  
  People living in Chicago.
  
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  September 7, 2019 8:40pm
tranquil

I’m *loving* the book “The Great Lie” by D’Souza!
Here is an excellent quote from a section in it that looks at Giovanni Gentile – the long-forgotten “father of fascism”.

Quote – “The government, Gentile insisted, should act not merely as a lawmaker but also a teacher, using schools to promulgate its values and priorities. Expressing a doctrine that most progressive faculty in America would most likely endorse, Gentile said “Our work as teachers is considered to be at an end when our students speak our language.”
– end quote

*Our students*. *Our language*.
Echoes of Rudi Dutschke and his “long march through the institutions”.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudi_Dutschke
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September 7, 2019 11:20am
- stephieboy
  
  Dinesh D’ Souza espouses utter gibberish
  
  1.0 out of 5 stars
  Dishonest propaganda which mirrors the divisive approach of far-left extremists
  
  October 17, 2018
  Format: Kindle Edition
  
  Dinesh D’Souza’s _The Big Lie_ is undoubtedly a tour de force. Unfortunately, it’s a tour de force of logical fallacies, historical half-truths, wild conspiracy theories and slanderous accusations. I don’t know whether D’Souza actually believes what he’s writing or if this once-respected conservative intellectual is simply playing a role for financial gain. Either way, his book will be utterly unconvincing to anyone who is knowledgeable about American history, the principles of logic, and recent political debates. As the innumerable five-star reviews on Amazon demonstrate, however, it’s red meat for people who are already predisposed to regard anyone on the left as evil incarnate.
  
  D’Souza employs three basic strategies to “prove” his absurd thesis that the modern left is fascistic. First, he lumps all “leftists” into one undifferentiated group, insisting that there’s no difference between mainstream Democratic politicians like Elizabeth Warren and radical thugs like members of Antifa. He takes provocative statements from left-wing extremists and implies that the sentiments expressed are shared by all liberals. This is absurd; Antifa’s violent tactics have been condemned by virtually all Democratic politicians and the vast majority of progressive intellectuals. Blaming liberals for Antifa is equivalent to holding mainstream Republicans responsible for the actions of the neo-Nazis in Charlottlesville – and is equally absurd…
  
  etc, etc
  
  https://www.amazon.com/product-reviews/1621573486/ref=acr_dp_hist_1?ie=UTF8&filterByStar=one_star&reviewerType=all_reviews#reviews-filter-bar
  
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  September 7, 2019 5:04pm
Biscuit

Reporters reporting on other reporters.

Sheesh…
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September 7, 2019 11:39am
tranquil

Another couple of great quotes from “The Big Lie” –

Quote – “At Salo, Mussolini outlined a socialist program that went beyond anything he attempted in Italy. The new program of November 1943 called for the state to take over all the critical sections of the economy – energy, raw materials, all necessary social services – leaving only private savings and private homes and assets in the hands of the citizens. The public sector was to be run by management committees in which workers would have a key role. Unions would also be part of the fascist governing assembly.

The next step, declared Mussolini’s adviser Ugo Spirito, would be to abolish all private property. Interestingly, Mussolini’s closest adviser in Salo was Nicola Bombacci, once a friend and disciple of Lenin who had in 1921 been a co-founder of the Italian Communist Party. Mussolini’s Salo period, although short-lived, proves that he never abandoned his original leftist ideals; he remained to the last a dedicated statist, collectivist and socialist. ”
– end quote

Another quote – this one about the Nazis.
Quote – “In statement after statement, Hitler could not be clearer about his socialist commitments. He said, for example, in a 1927 speech, “We are socialists. We are the enemies of today’s capitalist system of exploitation…and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions.”
– end quote
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September 7, 2019 11:54am
- The King
  
  And now you are the big lie, with your agenda exposed by not using the full Hitler quote and cherry picking it…
  
  “We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions.”
  
  It was a troll speech designed to enrage actual socialists, and it worked, Hitler talked about this in Mein Kampf he called it “Making noise”- if you or dinish actually read the policy of Lebensraum, you’ll see it has nothing to do with socialism at all.
  
  But dinish is marketing to retarded boomers with the ‘socialist’ boogeyman, much like socialists are with the White Supremacist boogeyman.
  
  The reason you left out the middle of Hitlers quote can only be because he was right, why else would you not want any one to see it?
  
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  September 7, 2019 2:53pm
  - tranquil
    
    “…you’ll see it has nothing to do with socialism at all.”
    
    Yeah, riiiiiight…. and that’s why the party was called the National **Socialist** Party.
    
    Thanks for playing, next contestant please……
    
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    September 7, 2019 3:43pm
    - tranquil
      
      Tried to edit the above post but it locked before I finished.
      
      Here’s my full reply –
      “The reason you left out the middle of Hitlers quote can only be because he was right…”
      
      No. The reason I left it out was because (a) I wasn’t aware of it and (b) it wasn’t in the book.
      How can I quote something that I didn’t know existed and didn’t see?!?
      
      “…you’ll see it has nothing to do with socialism at all.”
      Ok, so you’re claiming that Hitler wasn’t socialist.
      If Hitler wasn’t socialist then why was his party called the National **Socialist** Party?
      Why would the party be named something that it **wasn’t**?
      Answer THAT for us……. Let’s see you prove that black is white.
      
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      September 7, 2019 3:51pm
  - BrownSnake
    
    Australians were within 50 yards of A Hitler
    Day 1 in france.
    
    He carried the message that brought the Counter
    attack at night, only the Australians got into their
    trenches that night through heavy use of Grenades
    the Diary entry of his fellow dispatch runner is correct and the Third Trench was actually a flooded irrigation ditch the diary entry
    mentions the flooded area also. It is accurate.
    
    They Sung “Deutschland Uber Alles” when they counter attacked a Regiment Song that would
    later become an important Anthem
    >
    They were facing off the prototype of fanatical
    German Military Nationalism that would
    become in time what you speak of.
    
    >
    
    I dashed with Hitler to the battle HQ of the 17th Regiment. He scarcely gave me time to get my breath back… we ran on to 21st Regiment. Grenades chased us through the darkness of the night; we rolled in time with them into a water-filled mine crater. The light of a high-flying flare first gave us an instance of orientation again… Wet through to above the chest, our trousers and shirts stuck to our bodies. And how we froze! The envelope and paper we handed the regimental commander were soggy. He was scarcely able to decipher the report.
    
    Diary of Dispatch Runner Balthasar Brandmayer, 16th Bavarian Reserve Inafntry Regiment. Source: Corporal Hitler and the Great War 1914-1918, The List Regiment by John F. Williams.
    
    If they had taken him out?
    
    Someone please tell me what would have changed?
    
    Someone better or worse would have replaced
    him and on and on it goes
    
    The Question you need to ask is why and what were they fighting for then in the first place?
    
    You think it Starts and End with this Guy
    I do not agree with that or Him but
    
    You are
    WRONG
    
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    September 7, 2019 3:49pm
- BrownSnake
  
  Did not start with Hitler nor end with him
  
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  September 7, 2019 3:38pm
MCos

An interesting read that makes NZ look a bit too idealistic/manipulative for our American friends back in the latter quarter of last century.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/115390176/undiplomatic-what-us-diplomats-really-thought-about-nz?cid=app-iPhone
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September 7, 2019 12:14pm
- chaos
  
  Oh gee, thanks labor party Australia, bunch wankers just like your nz half
  
  *”We reached an agreement with the Australians,” said Glassman. [They] were pushing us very hard to take action against New Zealanders because the Australian Labor Party felt that this could be very contagious within their own party if New Zealand policy was allowed to stand without sanction.*
  
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  September 7, 2019 1:35pm
  - BrownSnake
    
    What is so Hilarious about Labour in OZ and NZ
    is the UNIONs in Aus
    
    Will not support the KIWI WORKER
    
    Ha ha ha Sucked in they will take $$$$$$$$$$$
    Union Fees
    
    Ka Ching
    
    You want help
    
    GET FORKED
    
    KIWI MATE
    
    That is international workers solidarity for ya
    
    LABOUR VOTERS
    
    It be all a big crock of Steamy POO POO
    
    A great giant big enormous crock of poo
    
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    September 7, 2019 5:57pm
    - Rob2
      
      Unions fail to help Kiwi’s in NZ as well.
      Give me the money and then fuck off and complain to someone else.
      
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      September 7, 2019 7:38pm
  - BrownSnake
    
    If you are seriously interested in the whole Nuke thang
    
    READ
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_nuclear_tests_at_Maralinga
    
    Although the Antler series were better planned and organised than earlier series, intermediate fallout from the Taranaki test exceeded predictions.[17]
    
    3/Taranaki 9 October 1957 06:45:?? aCST (9.5 hrs)
    Maralinga Range, SAU: Taranaki 29.8948°S 131.5916°E 180 m (590 ft) + 300 m (980 ft) balloon,
    weapons development 26.6 kt [22][23][24]
    
    Ask yourself why a Large Nuclear test in the Australian Desert has a NZ place name
    and how did it ……….?
    
    Taranaki test exceeded predictions.[17]
    
    Well the Fall out travelled all the way to NZ
    of course
    
    THE RNZAF
    
    Were monitoring it with Geiger Counters
    
    Guinea pigs aus all
    
    Pawns in the Game
    
    NZ and Aus have had their Chernobyl
    
    Ever wondered why the Cancer Rate is so High?
    
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    September 7, 2019 6:04pm
    - stephieboy
      
      “Ever wondered why the Cancer Rate is so High?”
      
      Nothing in terms of incidence compared to the rest of the world!
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12064758
      
      Certainly unrelated to so called fallout from historic Nuclear tests
      
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      September 7, 2019 7:29pm
      - BrownSnake
        
        Go an Beat up on American ships
        Boo Hoo Hoo Hoo
        
        Us kiwis are Nuclear free
        and we stood up to America.
        
        What a Crock of Crap that is.
        
        Lange
        
        Was he just another
        
        Fat bloated socialist.
        
        Those Big Bad Yankies who saved your
        backwards “British outpost”
        of the worst Empire the Sun ever set on.
        
        The British dropped Nuke after Nuke
        on Australia
        
        Some Nukes they Gave NZ place names
        because they new full well the Fallout
        would travel there.
        
        They will sell NZ and Aus down the toilet
        in the blinking of an eye
        
        Take Note of what is happening in
        HONG KONG Commo
        
        You should move there
        
        The British Nuclear program would have been
        full to the brim with Commies like this one
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Nunn_May
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0MgVjCEwd0
        
        I have to say You are pretty Ignorant
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McClelland_Royal_Commission
        
        The Royal Commission into nuclear tests was told that 30 badly leaking drums of radio-active waste were dumped off the West Australian coast. The Commission was also told that acting Prime Minister Arthur Fadden had sent a message to the British PM asking “What the bloody hell is going on, the cloud is drifting over the mainland?”.[1] A CSIRO scientist is[when?] making use of the thin blanket of radioactive caesium-137 laid over Australia from atmospheric nuclear tests to measure soil erosion.[2]
        
        Australia’s key representative to oversee the atomic tests on behalf of Australia, Sir Ernest Titterton, was in fact an ex-pat British person who withheld key information from the Australian Government.
        
        YOUR MATEs
        
        and a book about them
        
        Don’t Worry you are Nuclear Free
        
        Maralinga: The chilling expose of our secret nuclear shame and betrayal of our troops and country
        Author
        Frank Walker
        
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        September 7, 2019 9:26pm
Maggie Pie

Drove past the viaduct yestwerday and caught a glimpse of the new Americas Cup boat. Anyone else like me that think it looks a bit ….silly?
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September 7, 2019 12:53pm
- chaos
  
  I like it, but it did remind me of war of the worlds
  
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  September 7, 2019 1:32pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Formula One racecars look silly as well when you compare them with a Tesla or Prius
  
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  September 7, 2019 3:16pm
- Rob2
  
  Be bloody scary racing it at top speed. Cats are bad enough.
  
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  September 7, 2019 7:39pm
Kabull

Once again sensible analysis of data proves that the seas are not rising. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CffMifh73ZE
This video also highlights the hypocrisy of people like the Obamas who preach fear and doom then go and purchase land at sea level.
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September 7, 2019 2:15pm
chaos

Whoops, another liar exposed

*Woman who claimed Trump forcibly kissed her drops lawsuit

Trump’s attorneys said the 15-second video, captured on cellphone by another man in the recreational vehicle in which Trump was talking with aides and supporters, showed an unremarkable, brief and friendly greeting that hardly resembled the “battery” Johnson alleged in her suit.

Trump’s lawyers also said the video showed Johnson kissing Trump, rather than the other way around.

Following the emergence of the video, U.S. District Court William Jung suggested he might impose sanctions on Johnson’s attorneys if they proceeded with the aspect of the suit relating to the kiss.*

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/05/trump-lawsuit-dropped-1482288
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September 7, 2019 2:23pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Journalists after some public funding
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/shows/2019/09/the-broken-estate-why-new-zealand-is-uniquely-vulnerable-to-global-journalism-crisis.html
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September 7, 2019 2:29pm
- chaos
  
  There is a global journalism crisis? I guess the real problem is people no longer trust the media, I’m sure they likely rate below car salesman and lawyer now.
  
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  September 7, 2019 3:38pm
- sooty
  
  Stop telling. Shit and making it up might help!
  
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  September 7, 2019 3:43pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggy, this cannot be allowed. The likes of CNN and CBS polluted journalism to the point it ceased to exist. Like our MSM, they became extensions of the left and now consumers have had enough. Our Fourth Estate, formerly established as being critical and analytical of politicians is now a slave to the CoL.
  
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  September 7, 2019 3:46pm
  - stephieboy
    
    “The likes of CNN and CBS polluted journalism to the point it ceased to exist.”??
    
    Why not include Breitbart, Fox , Gateway Pundit as the true exemplars of” polluted journalism”??
    
    The relevant matter is the voters are not slaves to to the Col.
    
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    September 7, 2019 4:34pm
- nasska
  
  Our Fourth Estate consists mainly of young girls who worship the current Prime Minister as a role model. If they look like falling out of line PriNZess waves Squirrel around & they all start to lactate spontaneously.
  
  There lies the problem.
  
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  September 7, 2019 4:31pm
  - kowtow
    
    And the males are panty waists , another great piece from K du Fresne.
    
    ‘The unmistakeable purpose of the article was to denigrate those involved in the Free Speech Coalition’s case and by doing so, to discredit the court action. Never mind that the coalition’s motivation is to defend the freedom of speech that Theunissen and his colleagues – all funded, incidentally, by the taxpayer – depend on every day for their livelihood.’
    
    http://karldufresne.blogspot.com/2019/09/activism-disguised-as-journalism.html
    
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    September 7, 2019 4:45pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Now, now, nasska… there are some males in her fan club too.
    
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    September 7, 2019 5:05pm
Maggie Pie

At 2:30 my partner called me into the cinema room then forced to me next to sit him and watch the rugby. How boring!
Just to piss him off i rooted for the red team all the was through.

[The team i really feel sorry for will be those on nightshift in the Waikato ED 🙁 ]
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September 7, 2019 4:32pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Flick him off now Maggie Pie.
  
  Nek minit he’ll be dragging you off to Cricket.. or worse .. Motor racing.
  
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  September 7, 2019 5:08pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Honestly Maggs – it was just another of those times i wish i’d listened to my mum.
    
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    September 7, 2019 5:25pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      yeah,
      I was told to hang out for a rich sheep farmer…
      
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      September 7, 2019 5:46pm
      - BrownSnake
        
        I would Stay away from Naturalist Socialist Sheep Farmers but each to their own
        
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        September 7, 2019 7:19pm
  - artemisia
    
    But Maggy, think of the court case over who gets the cinema room. An excellent reason to stay together.
    
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    September 7, 2019 5:51pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      I know! But the thing that really p**ses me off is that it was all mine to begin with.
      
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      September 7, 2019 6:31pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Hells Bells Maggie Pie..
        you’re in a desperate position:
        Have you tried nagging?
        hiding away/losing his sweeties?
        Crashing his car?
        Selling his car?
        Just taking off for a holiday with a friend?
        Only cooking his loathed foods?
        
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        September 7, 2019 7:03pm
      - nasska
        
        Just get fat. You won’t see him for dust. 🙂
        
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        September 7, 2019 7:09pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        He stayed out all night one day last month ‘playing cards’ with the boys
        so i hid his tranny. He never spoke to me for a week 🙁
        
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        September 7, 2019 7:20pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Maggy, I’ve always been a great fan of yours but now that you say that you don’t like motor racing it’s all over.
    
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    September 7, 2019 7:50pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Whew… a near miss for me, then.
      
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      September 7, 2019 8:00pm
- chaos
  
  Wow, you rooted for the red team. Bet you are tired now…..
  
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  September 7, 2019 5:09pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/news/115620704/community-radio-station-loses-10k-worth-of-gear-in-breakin

What I would really like to see is the name and photo of every one of these pieces of shit when they are caught.
But I think that we all know this will not happen: too PC.
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September 7, 2019 5:18pm
BrownSnake

Someone appears to have made a Decent
Tribute to the Battle of Long Tan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyUqZLwOo2Y

Battle of Long Tan Captain Morrie Stanley Clip – Vietnam War

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNgSo8Dawl8

New Zealander
Morrie Stanley

Is remembered with the respect he Deserves.

The Australian Veterans were not allowed Medals
instead they got Dolls in traditional Vietnamese Dress

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-17/dolls-for-medals-after-battle-of-long-tan/6704060

http://vnafmamn.com/untoldpage/longtan10.jpg

RIP
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September 7, 2019 6:38pm
- BrownSnake
  
  Down tick from a Coward pretending to be a Kiwi
  
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  September 7, 2019 9:31pm
- Komata
  
  Brownsnake @1838
  
  It was a long time ago, and we were so much younger.
  
  Thank you for bringing it to our attention.
  
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  September 8, 2019 7:47am
John Warren

Cindy has such lovely friends.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/international/pacific-news/398308/fiji-opposition-mp-suspended-for-refusing-to-apologise-to-pm
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September 7, 2019 8:42pm
Hugh Pavletich

NEW ZEALAND: Why is the Labour – led government still failing to deal honestly and effectively with the real issues … land supply and infrastructure financing ? …

Treasury advises new Housing Minister that government building programmes (ie: KiwiBuild) will be ‘expensive, inflationary, and slow to deliver’ without supply reforms; Says need can’t be met in current environment … Jenee Tibshraeny … Interest Co NZ

https://www.interest.co.nz/property/101573/treasury-advises-new-housing-minister-government-building-programmes-ie-kiwibuild

Treasury is advising Housing Minister Megan Woods not to make KiwiBuild a priority.

A document included in a wad released by the Government on Thursday and Friday, after it announced its “housing reset”, shows Treasury recommended she limit the goals of the new Crown entity responsible for housing, Kāinga Ora, to “enabling housing supply” and “managing and delivering additional public housing”. … read more via hyperlink above …
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NATIONAL’S CRISIS TO LABOUR’S DISASTER …

The Listener Editorial February … from Nationals housing crisis to Labours housing disaster ( following stinging The Guardian and The New York Times articles soon after the release of the 2019 15th Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey 21 January 2019 ) …

New Zealand housing: From crisis to disaster … Performance Urban Planning

http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/General%20June.html
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New Zealand’s Labour – led government knows exactly what the problems and solutions are …

New Zealaned (then Housing) Urban Development Minister Phil Twyfords speech to the New Zealand Initiative Members Retreat … New Zealand Government / Beehive

https://www.beehive.govt.nz/speech/speech-nz-initiative-members%E2%80%99-retreat

… extract …

… In our view there are three big challenges that have to be addressed:

1. A broken system for financing infrastructure

2. A planning system based on urban containment

3. The failure of governments until now, both local and central, to actively work with the private sector to enable urban growth and expansion. … read more via hyperlink above …
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