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RRM

Are we going to talk about the Labour youth drinking camp sex offender pleading guilty?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.rnz.co.nz/article/4067e07a-cedd-4e6d-822f-d08a222481dc
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September 5, 2019 8:04am
- Tall Man
  
  Plead guilty to common assault then threw the finger at the girls he assaulted as did his lawyer.
  
  Moral of the story is ensure you have an influencer in the labour party before you stick your finger where it shouldn’t.
  
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  September 5, 2019 8:35am
  - chaos
    
    Moral of the story, karma is still to come
    
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    September 5, 2019 8:56am
    - igm
      
      Did he claim he was a follower of Islam and fllowed Sharia law?
      That would preclude him from prosecution for interfering with little girls?
      
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      September 5, 2019 9:38am
      - The King
        
        Underrated UN-irionic nail on the head post.
        
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        September 5, 2019 6:07pm
    - Michael
      
      I hope so.
      To him and his mum.
      
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      September 5, 2019 11:12am
- Rich Prick
  
  With evidence like that from the male victims (and one in particular) why drop the sexual assault charges? There’s some mystery afoot.
  
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  September 5, 2019 8:37am
  - Rich Prick
    
    Sorry edited to read: indecent assault.
    
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    September 5, 2019 8:47am
  - kowtow
    
    Reading between the lines , there’s been a reset and a deal was struck .
    
    That report from RNZ , one of our ‘ leading ‘ sources of information was very uninformative , one wonders why . So many questions , so few answers.
    
    But no doubt our betters in the legal system , in the media etc know what’s best for us mere tax payers and citizens ……..
    
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    September 5, 2019 9:07am
    - Rich Prick
      
      Sounds like a pretty marginal call. Still, marginal calls can be “justified” depending upon who the players are. That “justification” will be confirmed if the perp gets continued name suppression for the remaining, rather minor matters.
      
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      September 5, 2019 9:25am
      - igm
        
        Remember a ex-Labour MP convicted of dishonesty was given life-long suppression of name and anything that could identify him, along with all evidence in the case?
        Seems Labour have a history of covering up anything that may affect them politically.
        He went on to live a life of Riley off the public trough with impunity.
        
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        September 5, 2019 9:57am
- burt
  
  It’s a great precedent and anyone who might be drunk at any time in the future will be pleased it’s now only common assault to jam your hands down other peoples pants.
  
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  September 5, 2019 9:58am
record guy

It appears a certain someone who likes taking frivolous court cases has opened his mouth once to often and admitted Champerty

Oops
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September 5, 2019 8:05am
Martin Williams

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Matt Nippert has done a great job of exposing the endemic corruption in the National Party. It’s a theme which will run all the way to the election.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12264368

This is behind a paywall, sorry.
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September 5, 2019 8:06am
- Tall Man
  
  Whereas the corruption and sexual perversion in labour party needs no “investigation” as it is plain sight for all to see.
  
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  September 5, 2019 8:36am
- Tony Stuart
  
  You lost me at Matt Nippert.
  
  Even the Labour Party concedes that the donation in question was absolutely, 100% in compliance with the requirements of the Electoral Act. It’s a non-story.
  
  However, anything to divert attention away from the clusterf#ck that is Kiwibuild, and Nippert’s loyalty to the cause might even be rewarded with a coffee with the PM.
  
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  September 5, 2019 8:39am
  - chaos
    
    Lost me at Martin Williams.
    
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    September 5, 2019 8:57am
    - Nermal
      
      Can we put him behind the paywall too?
      
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      September 5, 2019 4:43pm
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Matt Nippett is a Labour Party faithful. He sees his master being taken down by everybody, so he creates a diversion.
    
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    September 5, 2019 9:14am
    - record guy
      
      Nippert is also a washed up has been, like lots of this country’s media
      
      I wonder when #metoo will expose those who are no longer working at major NZ media organisations
      
      Cover up
      
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      September 5, 2019 9:33am
- Rich Prick
  
  Why be sorry, in that location 99% of readers will never know what it said.
  
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  September 5, 2019 8:42am
- Happychappy
  
  Between Matt Nippet and Hagarit would race to find out who is more truthful because most of what the pen is bent to suit there narrative and as a lot of people say lacks facts.
  
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  September 5, 2019 8:43am
- Ruahine
  
  This will be the theme for Labour and the MSM. This is what they are good at and are hand in glove. Lies half truths innuendo. It worked well last election and I am sure that it will be the song sheet that both
  Labour and the likes of Nippert will be singing from.
  
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  September 5, 2019 8:45am
sooty

8.11. EEECCCCHHHHHOoooooooooooooooo
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September 5, 2019 8:09am
KevO'Brien

A low density explanation of the new energy sources under development–
https://e-catworld.com/2019/09/04/the-evo-phenomena-at-the-heart-of-safire-the-director/

(The simplest so far.)
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September 5, 2019 8:11am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Recent Mizuno experimental results are compelling if real. Lets see if other’s can replicate his well documented process and achieve similar results, if so then it will change the world.
  
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  September 5, 2019 8:50am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    DIY.
    It’s like the early day of computers where we even wire wrapped motherboards… The research buzz is alive.
    
    https://e-catworld.com/2019/09/04/cold-fusion-researcher-matthew-lilley-posts-experiment-video-seeks-help/
    
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    September 5, 2019 9:37am
    - Ed Snack
      
      This has been around for a long time and has never, and let me repeat that, never, been verified by a bona fides investigator. The very wording of the article is full of obfuscation and jargon, but no real explanation at all.
      
      There was a big push around 10-12 years ago in Italy, promising a device that would produce energy that could be studied – but nothing eventuated. The article does claim that “they” want to protect IP etc and so do not want to disclose too much, but extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence, and so far nothing substantial has been produced. How many years must one wait for something substantial ?
      
      My conclusion is that they must be short of money again and want to tap the punters for more money.
      
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      September 5, 2019 10:39am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Read the background papers now. Unis world wide have verified the phenomenon. Its now gone quiet as the patent rush has begun. The tightening up on commercial revelations also occurred with computing. Raytheon published the detailed logic of its 704 operating system but all copies were later disappeared. Edison worked hard in private for years before perfecting his light bulb.
        
        I’m sitting on the fence too awaiting more public moves. A Japanese Uni has a whole Dept dedicated to its research, the US DOD is involved, Airbus have patents. The situation is a bit similar to transistors–who of us understand the”holes” in transistors? The EVO phenomena now being investigated goes back to the days of radio valves. It was discovered then and had to be worked around to make them function. Plasma it seems takes many different forms causing interesting things to happen. It also is reported occurring in fluorescent light tubes.
        
        Glory and reward awaits those who persevere. I don’t doubt the reports of verification from the unis–there have been too many from diverse places.
        
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        September 5, 2019 12:31pm
John Warren

I may have missed something, but is there any actual “build” in Kiwibuild 2.0?
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September 5, 2019 8:11am
- Tall Man
  
  Yep, building the personal wealth of the incompetent ministers involved.
  
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  September 5, 2019 8:38am
- chaos
  
  Yeah, they disclosed that Labour Party has built more excuses than houses for KiwiBuild
  
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  September 5, 2019 8:58am
- kowtow
  
  Like the bird this one won’t fly either.
  
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  September 5, 2019 12:59pm
- Piniwi
  
  Well no JW that appears to have been overlooked completely apart from a pledge to “build as many as they can” which may turn out to be the “quantum” shift Woods emphasized. Quantum being the minimum amount of any physical entity.
  However there may well be some serious unintended consequences be revealed in the diminishing days left for the COL’s term. Targets have been their downfall apparently so they are now intent on lifting the % of home-ownership. Something that has remained almost static for almost 100 years as pointed out by one expert Mike Hosking had on his show.
  Reducing the deposit limit to 5% that can be cobbled together by a family group from Home Start and their available Kiwisaver withdraw limits could make it a soft option no cash input deal. All be it with a 95% mortgage that will make them very nervous about interest increases in the future apart from any title complications from family input.
  The final straw that moves the whole reset away from Kiwibuild is that all that accumulated draw-downs and handouts can be used on the purchase of an existing home. Thereby helping push up regional real estate prices to bring a sort of equality to the market to the sellers benefit.
  As always the devil will be in the detail which likewise as always have yet to be completed but even the likes of Bryce Edwards are less than complimentary about this reset.
  
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  September 5, 2019 1:53pm
slightlyrighty

The best hope that the UK had for a beneficial Brexit Deal was the intention and ability to walk away from a bad one.

That the UK parliament has removed that option from the PM just goes to show how inept they are. In pointing a legislative gun to the head of the PM, they have only shot themselves in the foot.
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September 5, 2019 8:11am
- kowtow
  
  And the ‘cognoscenti’ wonder why we Plebs hold the political and power elites in such disregard.
  
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  September 5, 2019 8:40am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Trade with Europe: yes; political control: no!
  I don’t understand the weirdness of the UK Parliament. It seems to be all about taking positions rather than governance.
  
  PM Boris can now probably just ignore them whatever their resolutions. If Parliament wish to act against the referendum it would be proper for the PM to frustrate that.
  
  The UK is powerless to make the EU agree to anything. The date has been set for withdrawal.
  
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  September 5, 2019 8:55am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I don’t understand the weirdness of the UK Parliament.
    
    Imagine sitting in that cramped claustrophobic environment for more than 5 minutes…
    https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-27fd324b684c082b8a2d04310819577c.webp
    
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    September 5, 2019 9:23am
Yvette

Labour Party camp: Lawyers spat over details after reaching plea deal.
The prosecutor in the Labour Party summer camp trial says the Crown does not accept there was no sexual offending, despite taking a downgraded plea deal to resolve the case.
But the accused’s lawyer says her client “is not a sexual offender and appropriately the Crown have now recognised that”.
… At trial he was accused of having grabbed and squeezed a man’s testicles, touched another man’s genitals twice, kissed a woman on her neck and face and groped a second woman’s breast and bottom.
Priest said she would be seeking a discharge without conviction for the two assault charges and permanent name suppression for her client.
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And there was a giant walk-in fridge where anyone, including people as young as 15, could just walk in and grab any booze they wanted.
“On the Sunday morning after the incidents occurred, people were vomiting in toilets and in the bushes and were not able to attend morning speeches because they were so intoxicated from the night before.”

But there you go. It’s a little like Kiwibuild. Neither really happened.
The only real surprise is that Kiwibuild has not got name suppression too.
No how many trees do we think Shane has planted?
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September 5, 2019 8:11am
- KevO'Brien
  
  A plea bargain seems to have been agreed to. The Judge will aware of that from the run of the case.
  The Crown has got certainty of convictions against the risk of losing to a jury.
  The parties will get their chance to make representations as to sentencing. It’s over to the Judge now.
  
  This is a common situation in the criminal courts.
  The Labour Party has been discredited and we may hear more about that.
  
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  September 5, 2019 9:06am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    What bloody nonsense Kev. The offender admitting fondling two boys private parts. The jury would have had to be stacked with strong Labour supporters for them not to find the offender guilty of indecent assualt.
    
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    September 5, 2019 10:05am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      A defense of being drunk and not being aware–plenty of room for a jury to wriggle.
      How do you stack a jury in NZ?
      
      You may not like the outcome but the Courts are Courts of law with agreed rules. The outcome has been serious convictions for assault. Those will taint the crims future.
      The jury outcome was uncertain. I trust our prosecutors.
      
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      September 5, 2019 12:48pm
- kowtow
  
  ‘The prosecutor in the Labour Party summer camp trial says the Crown does not accept there was no sexual offending,’
  
  Then why take the deal?
  
  Sounds , looks and smells like a bit of theatre going on.
  
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  September 5, 2019 9:10am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    The Courts are always theatre. I understand it was a jury trial so the defense of being drunk may have swayed a jury much to the horror of the Prosecutor.
    I am aware of an attempted rape trial in which blind drunkeness was raised as a defense. That was not acceptable because the crim brought the condition on himself so was responsible for the consequences.
    The certainty of conviction even on a lesser charge is often the smart course.
    
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    September 5, 2019 10:06am
- Gravelroad
  
  Alison Mau- how’s #metoo going these days?
  What do you and Lizzie Marvellous have to say about all these goings-on.
  Just lucky you can shield your party behind the courts,eh.
  
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  September 5, 2019 9:41am
- Ruawai
  
  Who filled the chiller?
  
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  September 5, 2019 9:44am
- Nermal
  
  I’m Marxist speak: Something happened to somebody
  
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  September 5, 2019 4:47pm
Maggie Pie

My partner has always been a huge fan of Yum Cha.
Meets up with his mates at least twice a week for lunch at Grand Harbor.
He was saying last night how he really regrets not following in his fathers footsteps and entering politics.

https://twitter.com/Anne_MarieBrady/status/1169078847037247488
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September 5, 2019 8:12am
Maggy Wassilieff

It’s coming to the end of tree-planting season.
Has the 2019 target been reached?
https://www.mpi.govt.nz/funding-and-programmes/forestry/planting-one-billion-trees/tracking-progress-of-the-one-billion-trees-programme/
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September 5, 2019 8:14am
- hullkiwi
  
  Maggy, stop asking inconvenient questions
  
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  September 5, 2019 8:23am
- RRM
  
  So they’re about 15% of the way to the billion trees? I’m (somewhat) impressed…
  
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  September 5, 2019 8:30am
  - Yvette
    
    RRM, can you please provide a link or source so we can all be likewise impressed
    
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    September 5, 2019 8:47am
  - Raphael
    
    I’m not. As they count the annual replant from the forestry industry that was always going to happen.
    The government has only funded about 24m trees (or ~6% of the annual replant)
    
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    September 5, 2019 10:14am
    - Yvette
      
      Then, Raphael, there is the replacement rate of 95%
      Meaning: if commercial Forestry plant 50 million trees, it is re-planting –
      it is because they have chopped down 47.5 million mature trees elsewhere.
      Leaving 2.5 million seedlings nett.
      
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      September 5, 2019 11:13am
- rouppe
  
  How many of those weren’t going to be planted anyway?
  
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  September 5, 2019 8:58am
- DigNap15
  
  What’s a target?
  
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  September 5, 2019 9:35am
  - Ruawai
    
    Woods is saying the previous kiwibuild targets led to perverse outcomes. So she is essentially saying the targets created the problem of not achieving targets??? great logic!!!
    
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    September 5, 2019 9:48am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    It’s a fanciful, aspirational thingee that Ministers of the Crown dream up.
    
    He also admitted his target of planting one billion trees was “fanciful” but argued aspirational targets were needed to boost a sector he described as “undervalued, under utilised but still with great capacity”.
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/102809582/shane-jones-1-billion-message–do-not-delay
    
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    September 5, 2019 9:50am
- Bill felt
  
  The language of the Speech from the throne talks about “1 billion more trees”.
  How many more trees are there in NZ compared to Sept 2017?
  
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  September 5, 2019 11:26am
hullkiwi

Even though Woods managed to get the word “Progressive” into her plans for Kiwi what ever it is today, her support choir are saying it will not achieve.

It will not achieve, because it is a policy solution in search of a problem to solve, that is why it will be a failure.
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September 5, 2019 8:14am
mjw

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The Tories are resorting to outright lies on the impact of a hard brexit, denying that there will be any food or medicine shortages, price rises or deaths, despite being explicitly contradicted by the leading experts and industry associations.

Mendacity now seems to be deeply rooted in the Tory DNA.
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September 5, 2019 8:15am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  I hear that there will be rains of frogs, children growing beards and cats and dogs living together in sin. UK economy has outperformed Europe since Brexit referendum – are you betting against the market?
  
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  September 5, 2019 8:53am
  - All_on_Red
    
    The Head of Norways $1 Trillion Sovereign Fund says he’s staying in London.
    Londons the financial centre of the world. Brexit won’t change that.
    You think all those ‘Masters of the Universe’ would want to live in Dublin or Frankfurt?
    Bwhahahahahaha
    
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    September 5, 2019 9:14am
- chaos
  
  What you mean they aren’t partaking in the fear porn. Bad bad them, they should be spreading lies and fear porn.
  
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  September 5, 2019 9:00am
- rouppe
  
  The world is awash with food and medicines. Any half decent planning will ensure there is sufficient supply.
  
  Of course there will be price rises, deal or no-deal. NZ experienced a pretty tough time when Great Britain turned its back on us, but no-one died because of it.
  
  If people think that things have to remain exactly as they are no matter the events around them, they deserve the EU
  
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  September 5, 2019 9:02am
  - Ed Snack
    
    There will only be price rises if Britain implements tariffs. In many areas (food especially) there would be huge price drops if Britain purchases at world rather than internal EU prices. Just as an example, the EU price for Sugar is way higher than the free market price. The same follows for dairy, many fruits, and other products heavily protected within the EU.
    
    There may be rises in some areas if the EU applied export restrictions or levies on goods sold to the UK, but if they do there are almost certainly alternative providers of those products and in a relatively short time substitutes could be found to reduce prices.
    
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    September 5, 2019 10:46am
- Scott
  
  Mjw – the people want to get out of the European union and take their country back and be in charge of their own destiny. Unfortunately their parliamentary representatives are mainly remainers who benefit from the globalist order and refuse to abide by the wishes of the people.
  
  It is an interesting question that cuts to the heart of what it means to be a human being. Are we part of some global Village based on secular materialism and free trade and the gradual merging of countries into one another?
  
  Or is a person rooted in an actual community based on God and country and community and home?
  
  It is a profound divide. Based on what we see with Trump and brexit and Brazil and Poland and even Australia, the backlash against globalism is gathering strength.
  
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  September 5, 2019 9:11am
Happychappy

It seems there is a need to explain what the Prosecutors thought over Labour Summer Camp plea deal.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12264837
A spat between Lawyersabout whether sexual offending occurred after a plea deal,the Prosecutor in the Labour Summer CampTrial says the Crown do
not except there was no sexual offending dispite taking a down granted plea to resolve the case.
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September 5, 2019 8:17am
fernglas

I see that an amendment to the no deal legislation was approved by default because there was no-one around to count the votes against. If this is the Mother of All Parliaments, we are truly fucked.
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September 5, 2019 8:18am
Nerraw

What has happened to “The Letter”? You know, that one from JAG to the Minister of Transport? Was it swept under the carpet while I was relaxing on that Samoan Beach in late August.
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September 5, 2019 8:18am
- Tall Man
  
  Otara?
  
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  September 5, 2019 8:39am
Simon

Many people moved away from China to get away from the shit head CCP. Now the shit heads have got everyone a social credit score. Now you cant even catch a train with a poor social credit score. Getting a passport forget it. What a vile shit hole.
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September 5, 2019 8:18am
- Komata
  
  Simon@0818
  
  It’s what you get when you have to control 600 million people, direct them towards the (yet to arrive) ‘Glorious Revolution’ and ensure you can continue to live in the manner to which you are now VERY accustomed without threat.
  
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  September 5, 2019 9:03am
  - IC5000
    
    I’m sure that Huawei is doing its part to secure the safety of the revolution and the party against foreign inspired splitest elements.
    
    Just the kind of company NZ needs for its 5G rollout.
    
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    September 5, 2019 2:18pm
hullkiwi

Proof Turkeys don’t vote for Christmas and proof that MPs are not always the brightest. I give you the UK House of Commons.

The Commons have passed a bill telling Boris he isn’t allowed to crash out of the EU without a deal by 31st Oct, so they want him to ask for an extension.
But the MPs who passed the bill, have not got an answer to Boris asking, but not getting an extension, so what happens then?

Boris, is calling the MPs bluff and asking for a general election, but the Turkey’s are unlikely to give him one. Seems they are too comfortable in their trough for another 3 years!
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September 5, 2019 8:22am
- All_on_Red
  
  The Bill was worded that the UK would have to accept whatever deal the EU offered.
  I think 21 Tory MPs (of the 29 Tory MPs who voted against the Govt) have now been deselected and kicked out of the Conservatives.
  Iirc, Johnson doesn’t have to accept the Bill but first it goes to the House of Lords.
  Apparently they have put forward over 90 amendments to it and the majority appear to be totally against the Bill.
  All the Polling shows Johnson would win an Election with an increased majority.
  Labour definitely doesn’t want one as they will be hammered (especially under Corbin) although they have been calling for one pretty much all the time!
  I reckon there’ll be an Election in October – Drain the Swamp!
  
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  September 5, 2019 9:00am
  - stephieboy
    
    All on Red , in Trump’s case ” keep the swamp”,
    
    https://www.latimes.com/opinion/enterthefray/la-ol-trump-interior-appointees-investigated-ethics-20190423-story.html
    
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    September 5, 2019 9:53am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    HM the Queen might accept the advice of her PM and call a general election. The situation in the Commons is such disarray the HM my feel that a GE is properly called for despite the Commons. It puts it back to the people.
    
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    September 5, 2019 10:23am
    - hullkiwi
      
      Thanks to the Parliamentary Term Act (a Camaron job when the Tories were in coalition with the DimLibs), Johnson can’t call an early election without a resolution being passed by the Commons. The standard UK parliamentary term is 5 years.
      
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      September 5, 2019 11:35am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Boris may even go fishing. He has to do little now but let time pass while in the background see that the Depts of State prepare as best they can.
  
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  September 5, 2019 10:19am
Albert_Ross

So people have been asking recently what this Government has actually achieved. I thought it would be amusing to go back to their “100-day plan” where they exulted in how much they’d achieved so early.

https://www.labour.org.nz/100_days

But it wasn’t amusing. It was terribly, terribly sad.
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September 5, 2019 8:25am
- Michael
  
  frightening actually Albert.
  
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  September 5, 2019 11:23am
G152

Peter Ellis has died .
So much for our ‘justice’ system
Outwait a terminally ill innocent person so those lies and liars wont be outed in court….
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September 5, 2019 8:27am
- Komata
  
  G152
  
  No doubt the mummies and psychs et al who brought the action that resulted i Mr Ellis’s incarceration are now feeling very, very pleased with themselves for having rid society of a threat to theiir little darlings.
  
  No doubt they will have an extra coffee to ceebrate their ‘Victory’ and the accused’s departure…
  
  In their insularity and ‘rightness’, the possibility that they may have in fact been wrong will not, of course, occur to them…
  
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  September 5, 2019 9:15am
  - Michael
    
    I still want the prosecution and judiciary to explain to me how he could repeatedly assault children in such a busy place and get away with it.
    
    Those workers love those kids!
    They don’t do it for the pay……
    
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    September 5, 2019 11:25am
    - RRM
      
      Silly, he did it in the secret sex dungeon under the building! (That nobody has ever been able to find.) The children said so themselves!
      
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      September 5, 2019 2:05pm
    - Michael
      
      who is the idiot who red tagged the comment.?
      
      twat.
      
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      September 5, 2019 4:55pm
- Nermal
  
  My condolences go out to his family and friends. I never met him, but would have been happy for him to look after my children
  
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  September 5, 2019 4:53pm
Paulus

Listening this morning to the UK Parliament debacle over Brexit. There are many dark forces at play here from outside the UK.
Is it called Undemocratic when the vote of the people is defied by the 600 people of the Parliament.
The anti Brexiteers want another referendum and another until they get their own way.
If we have a referendum say over Cannabis and it is defeated will the Parliament defy and pass the law in the favour of the referendum which failed.
Likewise the Abortion referendum ?
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September 5, 2019 8:28am
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  Paulus, I think the real problem is the Brexit vote was 52-48. hardly a landslide or clear mandate.
  
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  September 5, 2019 9:55am
  - Inandout
    
    It was a huge turnout of voters, so yes a definite answer. Then we have Farage’s following.
    
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    September 5, 2019 10:24am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Give Jacinda a vote and she will have a majority. There has to be a line or no decision making is possible. The line cannot be changing either or else how can tomorrow be determined?
    
    The 52:48 was a majority. It seems little different now. The EU shows their disdain for Britain. They have been historic enemies. Control from Brussels is control by arch bureaucrats.
    
    Let Bojo restore the UK Mojo. Trade will resume shortly. The sun will come up tomorrow…
    
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    September 5, 2019 10:30am
    - Michael
      
      and get rid of Labour and the wet Tory remainers
      
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      September 5, 2019 11:26am
  - Swifty
    
    The real problem is that you don’t think.
    
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    September 5, 2019 10:33am
  - All_on_Red
    
    ‘or clear mandate’
    Here you go Steph
    https://www.booktopia.com.au/basic-maths-for-dummies-colin-beveridge/book/
    
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    September 5, 2019 10:40am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Stephie, you repeat the manure of the Remoaners. Remoaners are a cartel of big money interests who have no interest in democracy, like the EU machine. They are using a well tested cry of “the voters didn’t understand, so we”ll have another vote”.
    
    Ireland and Denmark have had polls and rejected referenda propositions, only to see changes made specific to each country to get acceptance.
    
    Then in 2005 when both France and the Netherlands both rejected the new EU constitution, the EU to save their project rewrote the constitution as a Treaty, thus avoiding referenda in many countries. The Irish still rejected the Lisbon Treaty got some concessions and the Treaty and concessions passed in a second referendum.
    
    So much for democracy, the will of the people and treating all European citizens equally.
    
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    September 5, 2019 11:59am
Tall Man

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/national/right-wingers-turn-up-in-force-for-free-speech-court-case/

So… only “right wingers” care about free speech. Interesting… as if we didn’t know that already.
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September 5, 2019 8:42am
- rouppe
  
  Right at the bottom, is a passing reference to the fact the Chris Trotter si also a supporter of the Free Speech Coalition
  
  Williams pointed out that some members of the Free Speech Coalition were in fact left-leaning, for example, the political commentator Chris Trotter.
  
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  September 5, 2019 9:10am
- Komata
  
  TM@0842
  
  The media is, if course, totally neutral in their reporting…
  
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  September 5, 2019 9:17am
- The King
  
  The biggest mistake the right wing has ever made giving these lunatics free speech so they can use it to take yours.
  
  great idea guys! its really working out for you.
  
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  September 5, 2019 7:46pm
Tony Stuart

Rumour has it that Dave Dobbyn was going to entertain journalists before Megan Woods announced details of the Kiwibuild reset/rewrite of history.

However when Woods’ staffers discovered he had rewritten Outlook for Thursday with the chorus

It’s the outlook for Kiwibuild
Your guess as good as mine

he was told his services were no longer required!
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September 5, 2019 8:44am
- stephieboy
  
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  Komata, compared to many posters on KB the media are positively enlightening.
  
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  September 5, 2019 9:58am
- stephieboy
  
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  Tony Stuart, time to roll out National’s solutions to housing affordability.?
  
  Does it include ease back on immigration numbers?
  
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  September 5, 2019 10:00am
igm

So Wosds reckons baby boomers all received government assistance for homes. That is crap, I for one, always earned too much, and the only ones I knew who had low interest loans were on low wages, never being prepared to take on extra work or better themselves . . . always Labour voters . . . they attract the dross of society now, and always have.
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September 5, 2019 8:51am
- KevO'Brien
  
  I did two jobs and still couldn’t save enough for deposit. A State House was our first real home when I was a Public Servant, aged 24 with 3 children. The Family Benefit (WFF in its time) was eventually allowed to be capitalised for the deposit. A 3% suspensory loan topped off the package.
  Some provisions along those line seem reasonable still.
  
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  September 5, 2019 10:40am
- Ed Snack
  
  Have to say I never received any government assistance, Bought my first house as a really run down small place in a relatively poor location on the minimum deposit and worked my way up from there.
  
  A few politically connected people might have received assistance, but no one I know did.
  
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  September 5, 2019 10:51am
- Lizziep
  
  I am 70 years old and don’t recall that beneficence from the state? We did receive, what was 15 shillings family benefit which could be capitalised on through a state advances loan for our mortgage. Is this what woods is referring to?
  
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  September 5, 2019 11:09am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Hubby and I did get a Housing Corp loan for our old Villa in Island Bay.
  
  It was a Catch-22 for most people to qualify though , as you had to have decent deposit as well as be on a lousy wage. Most workers on a low wage would never had been able to acquire a decent deposit; those who had a deposit, usually had a decent wage and didn’t qualify.
  
  We managed to qualify at the end of our PhDs (so only had hubby’s demonstratorship salary) when I inherited just enough for a deposit from my dead brother’s estate.
  
  The Housing Corp had recently changed its rules and would lend on old houses as long as they were on concrete piles….so we weren’t forced to look for a house in god-forsaken suburbs like Johnsonville, Newlands or Tawa.
  
  Our old doer-upper Villa gobbled up every spare $$$$ we had for the next 30 years.
  
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  September 5, 2019 11:32am
Maggie Pie

We were out last night and someone asked my partner if he was gonna propose to me and he laughed and I laughed then he laughed and they laughed and he kept laughing and then I was like, okay, it’s not THAT blimmin funny 🙁
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September 5, 2019 8:54am
- chaos
  
  As long as it wasn’t is wife that asked.
  
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  September 5, 2019 9:13am
- The King
  
  Imagine marrying someone who spends more time on KB than the kitchen.
  
  [laughs at your partner]
  
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  September 5, 2019 6:17pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Full marks to Megan Woods for carrying the can for her useless colleagues.
What a masterclass in SPIN.

‘As a government, we have a commitment to not bloody-mindedly pursuing a policy because we said it a few years ago.

‘We’re actually having the courage to call time on it, say it hasn’t worked, and make the necessary changes.

‘When policies aren’t working we are honest about that and fix them.’

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7425459/Jacinda-Ardern-scraps-KiwiBuild-pledge-build-100-000-homes-New-Zealand.html

Obviously Megan has studied the works of Helen Clark….”That was then, this is now – Move on”
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September 5, 2019 8:56am
- rockape
  
  But wasnt she a minister in this Government that signed off on the failed scheme? Isnt there such a thing as cabinet responsibility these days. They are guilty of this failure from the PM down.
  
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  September 5, 2019 10:05am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    Yes, she was. And now she’s admitted she and her colleagues were wrong, and she’s trying to fix it.
    
    What do you do when you realise that you’ve made a mistake? Or are we to assume you never do?
    
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    September 5, 2019 11:42am
- Swifty
  
  It’s a masterclass in attempting to gloss over your ineptitude and to try to polish a t*rd.
  
  Let’s be clear, this is a monumental failure by Labour to deliver their flagship election policy.
  
  It is a complete surrender. A complete abdication.
  
  They’ve absolutely bungled twice here. 1. they never should have made such a reckless policy in the first place – and 2. they then, of course, spectacularly failed to deliver on it.
  
  I am absolutely serious when I say that this government is the most inept and bumbling in my lifetime.
  
  I didn’t agree with a lot of the Clark government did, but you could credibly have respect for them.
  
  When I think of this lot I think of clowns in a clown car.
  
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  September 5, 2019 10:15am
Hugh Pavletich

[Mod – deleted, as it is a word-for-word duplicate of your post on yesterday’s Kiwibuild thread]
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September 5, 2019 9:01am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  Mod … Thank you for your advice !
  
  [Mod – it’s advice that has been given to you before Hugh. Please take note of it!]
  
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  September 5, 2019 9:18am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    You just don’t get it do you Hugh…….
    
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    September 5, 2019 9:48am
  - Swifty
    
    I’ve told you – he’s pathological.
    
    He will not stop.
    
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    September 5, 2019 10:02am
  - Michael
    
    Mod
    how long has he been doing it.?
    Ban him for a year.
    That sends a message to everyone else.
    
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    September 5, 2019 11:29am
- Cobolt24
  
  Stanley Group and related company Tallwood placed in liquidation
  .
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/115579344/auckland-construction-firm-liquidated
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  Tower Cranes placed in receivership:
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  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12265249
  
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  September 5, 2019 10:11pm
lastmanstanding

I have decided to vote against all the encumbants in the upcoming Auckland Council for election for the following reasons.

1, The governance at my local tennis club is far superior to the AC governance.

2. The so called Council Controlled Organsiations are an oxymoron.

3. Both of my local Councillors have told me any reports they get from the CCOs are heavily reacted

4. When they asked why they are told “commercial sensitivity”.

5. Many of the Directors of the CCO are conflicted due to their current or former associations.

6. Not enough room to detail here but go look at the website and then look at the individuals Linked In pages and you will be able to easily join the dots.
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September 5, 2019 9:09am
- Michael
  
  I am doing the same in Wellington.
  
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  September 5, 2019 11:28am
  - Nermal
    
    Same in Whangarei, except the two who voted against the “Climate Emergency “
    
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    September 5, 2019 4:57pm
lastmanstanding

Well [Deleted – Mod] you know it. The alleged perp in the Labour Camp Sex Case has changed his plea to guilty on fewer and lesser charges.

I guess this means he gets a slap on the wrist with a wet bus ticket and permanent name suppression.

Nothing [Deleted – Mod] surprise me.
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September 5, 2019 9:16am
RW Capitalist

https://www.national.org.nz/government_scraps_kiwibuild_in_all_but_name
Note from the text
“There were no new initiatives to speed up the delivery of houses. All we got from the new Housing Minister was a commitment to try harder. What are prospective first-home buyers supposed to do with that? It’s meant to be KiwiBuild, not KiwiHope.”
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September 5, 2019 9:30am
DigNap15

The guy from some builders association says that building costs are not out of whack.
He blames councils etc.
But someone needs to ask him why building costs per sq metre are far higher here than in Australia.
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September 5, 2019 9:39am
Right of way is Way of Right

So, the Labour Party Sex Pest is getting lined up for a slap on the wrist with a soggy bus ticket.

The ultimate ‘fuck you’ to NZ society was that this happened on the same day that Peter Ellis died before his name could be cleared after being imprisoned for nothing more than unproven innuendo and rumour, stoked by hysteria akin to the Salem Witch Trials.
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September 5, 2019 9:44am
- stephieboy
  
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  Right of way is Way of Right, sorry old boy that this “sex scandal” has been such a damp squib/ soggy bus ticket for you and others on KB.
  
  Time to move on.
  
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  September 5, 2019 10:04am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Yeah, nah
    #PervWatch eh Stephieboy
    Ewwwww
    
    LOL
    
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    September 5, 2019 10:44am
  - Right of way is Way of Right
    
    Well, I can only hope that the victims are able to move on with the ease that you seem able to, but I doubt that will happen.
    
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    September 5, 2019 11:42am
  - hullkiwi
    
    So stephead, the next time a pony tail is pulled, you will be out front telling people “nothing to see, move on”?
    
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    September 5, 2019 2:48pm
rouppe

The gun ~~confiscation~~ buyback talk has died down. Thought I’d stoke the embers.

It is illegal to own any firearms in the Netherlands.

However there was a mass shooting incident in Utrecht recently.

So how is this gun buyback law going to make NZ safer again?
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September 5, 2019 9:58am
- stephieboy
  
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  The gun buyback scheme will not totally future proof us against further 15/03/19 attacks. But will make it highly less likely that a future Brenton Tarrant wannabe won’t have access to his kind of arsenal of weapons.
  
  The experience of Port Arthur suggests that will be the case.
  
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  September 5, 2019 10:10am
  - Swifty
    
    ‘highly less likely that he won’t have access…..’
    
    That means more likely that he will have access…
    
    I ask again, do you not proof read what you write? Ever?
    
    Just what is your malfunction?
    
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    September 5, 2019 10:30am
  - Jack5
    
    Trip in transition from Stephiestani to English… Stephie X writes:
    
    “… will make it highly less likely that a future Brenton Tarrant wannabe won’t have access to his kind of arsenal of weapons.”
    
    In English, Stephie X, unlike some other languages and presumably including Stephiestani among them, a double negative is the equivalent of a positive.
    
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    September 5, 2019 10:33am
  - rouppe
    
    Rubbish. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Because there has not been another mass shooting in Australia – which was already rare – doesn’t mean there won’t be one.
    
    Your specific reference to “his arsenal of weapons” narrows the comment down to absurdity. I doubt a shot person really cares what weapon was used.
    
    The experience in Utrecht is concrete evidence that a gun ban does not preclude mass shootings.
    
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    September 5, 2019 10:57am
- Inandout
  
  rouppe, a Turkish loser and criminal as described, and the Turkish PM was ‘looking into it’. We all know he acted alone because that is what we are told.
  
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  September 5, 2019 10:28am
  - rouppe
    
    I deliberately didn’t move into a narrative about his motives to keep the original comment focused on the gun confiscation programme.
    
    A Turkish Muslim who says “I do this for my religion” and this isn’t labelled as an Islamist inspired attack is just crazy. A white person who might say “I did this for my race” is instantly a white supremacist terrorist so why not this guy?
    
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    September 5, 2019 11:02am
Fletch

The Civilian does it again – 😆

Government says it will now build just one really nice home

As part of today’s long-anticipated reset of the Government’s flagship KiwiBuild policy, Housing Minister Megan Woods says the number of houses to be built in the next 8 years has been “scaled back” from 100,000 affordable homes to just one really nice home.

Woods was forced into formally declaring a reset of the policy after the Government’s first strategy – pretending they misspoke and meant to say they wouldn’t build 100,000 houses – failed.

Woods did her best to put a brave face on the situation at a press conference this afternoon, insisting the policy was still popular, and the only real hiccup was the Government’s failure to build virtually any houses at all.

“When we talk to people around the country, they’re really enthusiastic for KiwiBuild, they love the policy, they think we should stick at it,” she said, “but the one thing that keeps coming up again and again is, they don’t like that the houses don’t actually exist.”

The fact that there are “almost no houses” instead of “lots of houses” was frustrating for people, she said.

[…]

Ardern also pointed out that while the government had fallen well short of its initial 100,000 homes target, it was performing “much better” in relation to its target of 100,000 measles cases.

http://www.thecivilian.co.nz/government-says-it-will-now-build-just-one-really-nice-home/

Ouch…
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September 5, 2019 10:27am
- The King
  
  Where’s the measles coming from?
  
  heh, exactly.
  
  Import the disease then blame the few natives who never bothered to vaccinate, because they never had to worry about it, because the people who let these diseased people in will never be held accountable..because democracy.
  
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  September 5, 2019 7:14pm
Hugh Pavletich

NEW ZEALAND … FONTERRA …

ANZ agriculture economist Susan Kilsby thinks Fonterra may have to make still further asset write-downs of up to $700 million and may have to withhold some of the milk price payout … David Hargreaves … Interest Co NZ

https://www.interest.co.nz/rural-news/101539/anz-agriculture-economist-susan-kilsby-thinks-fonterra-may-have-make-still-further

There is a “heightened risk” that Fonterra won’t be able to afford to pay its farmer suppliers the full milk price in the current production season because it will need to make further asset write-downs, ANZ agriculture economist Susan Kilsby says.

Fonterra’s already announced write-downs of about $860 million and an after-tax loss of possibly up to $675 million for the financial year to the end of July. The full results are to be announced by the co-operative next week.

In an ANZ Dairy Update, Kilsby is estimating, however, that another $300 million to $700 million of write-downs might be required into the next financial year.

And if that’s the case, she thinks that Fonterra might have to hold back on paying the full milk price to farmers in the current production season. … read more via hyperlink above …
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September 5, 2019 11:51am
plc

Watching the TV news last night and they interviewed a first home buyer on the reset Kiwibuild and how it meant he could finally buy a house.

In future Newshub can you please give the person’s name so we can check whether he is conflicted.

I n the past you have interviewed “Darren from Mangere” on issues around housing, poverty, removal of benefit sanctions etc and he turned out to be a union organiser and chairman of the local Labour Party branch.
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September 5, 2019 12:03pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  He said he’s had students come up to him and compliment his English skills for being a foreigner, despite growing up in England.
  
  “It’s meant as a compliment, but why would you say that to me? You would never say it to a white person,” Dr Veer said.
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/398168/new-zealand-s-racism-far-more-casual-than-elsewhere-says-academic
  
  Hahahaha..
  The hubby has always had similar comments
  – just look vaguely foreign and have an unpronounceable surname and folks assume you hail from anywhere but Palmerston North.
  
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  September 5, 2019 1:23pm
  - Jack5
    
    Ekant Veer comes across as hypersensitive about his ethnicity. If he didn’t talk about it so much, fewer people would notice it differed from that of the majority in New Zealand .
    
    Veer’s name was originally Ekant Veer Singh, and he says his parents dropped “Singh” just before he moved to New Zealand at age 15. Yet there are plenty of Singhs in New Zealand. It isn’t a hard name for English speakers. I’ve just done a White Pages search of “Singh” for NZ, and it came up with 1199 results. This won’t include Singhs who have dropped land lines for mobiles.
    
    However, probably for millennia, people have been amending their names on moving to lands with other cultures. Occasionally this has been forced by intense society pressure, as for the thousands of New Zealanders of German descent who changed surnames in World War 1 and the decade after that (“Walters” to “Waters” and “Schmidt” to “Smith” are examples).
    
    It’s been common to have a local name and a true name among NZ’s Chinese pioneer settlers. A woman might be “Mei-ling” to family and close friends, and “Mary” to friends and fellow employees. I can’t see a helluva lot of difference from having a pseudonym on a blog like this one.
    
    Veer is a marketing lecturer at Canterbury University. In contrast to his offended calls on Red Radio of “casual racism”, here is Veer giving more sensible advice on foreign names in a community:
    
    https://www.thatsus.co.nz/ekant-veer
    
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    September 5, 2019 2:44pm
    - kowtow
      
      ‘New Zealanders of German descent who changed surnames in World War 1 and the decade after that (“Walters” to “Waters” and “Schmidt” to “Smith” are examples).’
      
      And Brits too , Windsor is so much simpler than Saxe- Coburg- Gotha.
      
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      September 5, 2019 3:36pm
      - Scooter
        
        Even the German Shepherd had its name changed to Alsation after WW2.
        
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        September 5, 2019 10:51pm
      - Scooter
        
        And Battenberg became Mount batten, but the royals changed theirs due to sensitivity around WW2.
        
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        September 5, 2019 10:54pm
    - Swifty
      
      I went to school with the Crapp brothers.
      
      They changed their name to Crane. Can’t say I blame them.
      
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      September 5, 2019 4:19pm
  - Jack5
    
    Maggy Wassilieff’s husband, Dr Wassilieff, must take comfort that Joseph Stalin, of the regime that we can presume caused the Wassilieff family to leave Russia, was originally Iosif Vissarionovich Dzhugashvili. That would be probably only close to how other Georgians pronounce it.
    
    And that was before he took his party name of Stalin, from the Russian word for steel – сталь.
    
    This comes from the Dutch word for steel – staal – which would have been brought back to Russia by Peter the Great and his team from from their work experience in West Europe.
    
    Having different alphabet systems complicates transfer of surnames into new languages. Often, perhaps even usually, you end up with only rough equivalents in the new language.
    
    By the way, Maggy, I hope you don’t mind me asking if both you and your husband are Ph.D.s? If so, does this cause confusion?
    
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    September 5, 2019 3:19pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Hubby and I both have PhDs…His was in Physics.
      
      There’s no need to use our titles these days, so nil confusion.
      
      The M-in-Law had a Laurea degree from Italy, and
      therefore could use the Title Dr. (At one time all Italian Graduates were called Dr).
      
      So when she was alive and I received a phone call for Dr Wassilieff, I had to ask the caller to be more specific, as they had a choice of 3 people.
      
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      September 5, 2019 4:04pm
      - Swifty
        
        Is there a doctor in the house?
        
        🙂
        
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        September 5, 2019 6:11pm
Maggie Pie

My partner has always been an extremely good judge of character.
He was just reading this horrific story in the Herald and called me over pointing,
“See him? He’s a real c~~~ ”

https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1169367081986547712
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September 5, 2019 1:01pm
Maggie Pie

Real Estate Agents – PFFFT!

Well known REA to the stars Michael Boulgaris, suggests client list Waiheke property for $15 million… Sells it a year later for 9. LOL!!

https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1169399791505354753
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September 5, 2019 1:54pm
- sooty
  
  Wot, the arse fall out of the market?
  I wonder how many they turned down before they got there!
  Wooden they be pissed if they had turned down 10/12 mil on advise of agent!
  
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  September 5, 2019 3:59pm
Swifty

Get a load of some of New Zealand’s most loathsome citizens:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/115566025/women-admit-being-in-an-organised-criminal-group-three-days-into-trial

Burglary after burglary committed, family after family shattered.

I’ve long held that sneaking into other families houses and taking their possessions betrays a special sort of scumbaggery and lack of empathy to ones fellow man or woman. More so than a lot of other crime.

Not counting of course the chance for a disaster to happen if the householder returns home or awakens during the crime.

In earlier days I came across these sorts – and often found they were the products of real dog-eat-dog upbringings and that, now, the world owes them a living.

I sincerely hope these people are jailed for a very long time. They are not fit to be among us.
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September 5, 2019 3:26pm
- kowtow
  
  ‘defence counsel Jeff McCall said he would seek to have a report on Jasmine Northe’s cultural background prepared for the sentencing.’
  
  WTF ?
  
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  September 5, 2019 4:13pm
- The King
  
  maoris.
  
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  September 5, 2019 4:28pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  Time for some castle laws in NZ.
  
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  September 5, 2019 7:28pm
- Scooter
  
  A good start would be that every possession they own is taken from them.
  
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  September 6, 2019 12:17am
All_on_Red

Streisand Effect
https://www.unilad.co.uk/news/2000-people-plan-bbq-at-house-of-vegan-who-sued-neighbours-for-cooking-meat/
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September 5, 2019 3:28pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  You don’t suppose the alleged journalist Lucy Connolly might sympathise with the aggrieved vegan:
  
  “Since then, however, an event titled ‘Community BBQ for Cilla Carden’, demands people in the area ‘join us for a community BBQ …”
  
  Demands?
  Or invites?
  
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  September 5, 2019 8:26pm
All_on_Red

Interesting information on what Boris can do about the Benn Burt Bill
https://reformclub.blogspot.com/2019/09/boris-johnson-still-has-ace-or-two-to.html

And there’s this
https://order-order.com/2019/09/04/revealed-lords-plan-block-remainer-legislation/

It seems the Bill will be defeated one way or another. So Brexit will happen.
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September 5, 2019 3:39pm
- The King
  
  muh “democracy” almost as bad a meme as “equality” like the guy in a vegetative coma is as ‘equal’ as someone who is not.
  
  Im shocked at how many people fall for the lies of these ‘democracy’ liars and charlatans. but hey, why not, there is no penalty, you just get voted out to an even better liar while the sheep convince themselves with the illusion of ‘choice’ every few years.
  
  “just check the right box at the ballot and watch good prevail over evil!!” – t. mostly retarded muh ‘democracy’ boomers.
  
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  September 5, 2019 5:15pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

What I was trying to post.
Jacinda and other commies take note:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpCJCXFfz6s
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September 5, 2019 4:31pm
niggly

Has the hapless JAG struck again?

Revelations today that the proposed Manawatu Gorge replacement highway will be reduced from 4 lanes (as originally showcased in the NZTA promo video) …. down to 2 lanes for a 3km stretch from the summit.

WTF! Is the COL taking the piss against motorists? To think that someone in the COL thinks having heavy transport trucks slow everything else down (including themselves) and cause potential merging lane crashes is a good idea, and near the summit??!!!

Who’s the COL fool who decided this, come on, own up!!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/115559582/concerns-raised-over-reduction-in-lanes-for-manawat-gorge-replacement-highway
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September 5, 2019 4:41pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  You know who is behind it. I have no proof, but it will be the idiot from California
  
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  September 5, 2019 5:36pm
  - niggly
    
    OMG you might be right!
    
    Here’s the “oldest” story that I can find (Dec 2018) in which it shows the original, proposed 4-lane all-the-way highway (see video).
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/109538248/plenty-of-public-submissions-on-manawat-gorge-replacement-route?rm=a
    
    Now here’s an April 2019 article in which JAG(!!!) throws her support behind a “u-turn” on the original NZTA plan to now include cycle-ways on the new state highway ….
    
    (It will be one helluva a difficult cycle ride over a mountain that’s for sure! Wouldn’t it be better to instead put a cycle track along the old gorge road route which is flat, at ground level and incredibly scenic? Or is that just too sensible for the COL)?!!!
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/112133067/transport-agency-changes-its-mind-over-cycleway-near-manawat-gorge-replacement-road?rm=a
    
    So yes it looks like JAG has intervened to add cycleways to the new design (or should that be the “same” design i.e. does the road narrow there so 4 lanes for motorists has to become 2 lanes to accommodates bicycle lanes)?
    
    If so, is the COL too cheap to widen the highway at the summit (3km stretch) to keep the 4 lanes for motorists and add a new cycle lane? That’s funny, seems there seems to be plenty of money to throw at Shane Jones’ bribe fund, payrises for their union member supporters, money for whatever group complains the loudest etc?!!!
    
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    September 5, 2019 7:03pm
- chaos
  
  Just the usual labour stuff ups which is why national always have to invest in roads when they get back in, labour ignore them
  
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  September 5, 2019 6:38pm
The King

Raybon Kan should be deported not for being an ungrateful second generation immigrant but for being a really shitty comedian.

>White Supremacist
>Racist
>Nazi

he really thought outside the rice box on this stand up routine..

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/115567039/dont-help-white-supremacists-by-fighting-their-legal-battles
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September 5, 2019 4:43pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Another person who thinks he is important. Raybon Kan is a so called comedian who thinks he is a comedian. Well, he is the only one who thinks he is funny.
  Another leftie with an opinion. You are there to make us laugh, idiot. But you are the same as the Hollywood jerks. We don’t fucking care for your view, just act and try to be funny – just once ffs
  
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  September 5, 2019 5:42pm
  - sooty
    
    Must be mates with Guy Williams!
    Remind me who was that comedian that was a kiddy fiddler!
    
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    September 5, 2019 6:16pm
  - The King
    
    Imagine being White going to China and writing this article about Chinese supremacists.
    
    Imagine being gifted the life of opportunity, that none of your ancestors played a part in building this nation, then call them racist for laughing at YOUR Asian driving joke.
    
    the joke is truly on us!
    
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    September 5, 2019 6:39pm
Morrissey

Bye bye to the filthy farmer

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/398185/government-s-plan-to-clean-up-freshwater-would-end-pastoral-farming-in-parts-of-the-country-federated-farmers
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September 5, 2019 6:07pm
- chaos
  
  What filthy farmers? I go in the rivers a lot, cleanest place to swim is up around the farms, worst place to swim is near towns.
  
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  September 5, 2019 6:24pm
  - Morrissey
    
    What filthy farmers?
    
    Judge Judy Scheindlin has a word for you, my friend:
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=871-3XMhtAk
    
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    September 8, 2019 5:52pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It wasn’t filthy farmers that clogged up creeks and streams with Forestry slash..
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/392253/compo-hope-after-forestry-firm-pleads-guilty-over-tolaga-bay-storm-damage
  
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  September 5, 2019 7:08pm
- kowtow
  
  Bye bye successful economy .
  
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  September 5, 2019 7:09pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Bye bye to the coalition of useless losers.
  
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  September 5, 2019 8:47pm
sooty

Is the new clean water act the writing on the wall for all inland towns and cities, discharging int rivers.
But why not cities dumping into the ocean?
They talk about Ak dumping shit and banning swimming!
Will they have to upgrade all their sewage plants an also stormwater discharge?
What about rual towns, halls and maraes?
You can’t target farmers for their waste into the water without the rest!
Have the COL bitten off more than they can chew?
Is it Cindys lightbulb and showerhead moment?
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September 5, 2019 6:14pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Food Stasi coming to your local primary school?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/115578369/parent-says-child-publicly-shamed-for-muffin-in-lunch-box
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September 5, 2019 6:15pm
- chaos
  
  Ah, I remember primary school. Putting the order in when you got to school at the tuck shop, mmmmm, pie for lunch with a cream bun. Students taking birthday cakes to school to share with the class. And Christmas, who can forget Christmas, taking a few bottles of beer to the teacher for an Xmas present. Be nailed to a cross today for all of that
  
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  September 5, 2019 6:20pm
  - srylands
    
    We had these too.
    
    https://junkee.com/sunnyboys-dead-fault/86135
    
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    September 5, 2019 6:44pm
    - chaos
      
      We used to smoke heavily in primary school
      
      https://longwhitekid.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/spaceman-candy-cigarettes-carousel-nz-edit-copy-copy.jpg
      
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      September 5, 2019 6:53pm
  - Scooter
    
    Yes I remember the jelly donut fondly, meat pies could be hit or miss with grizzly bits, but the filled roll was always the best option.
    
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    September 6, 2019 12:41am
Maggy Wassilieff

Sleep naked with your school students.
Collect $5000,000.
Thanks, Min of Education.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/09/ministry-of-education-paid-half-a-million-to-principal-struck-off-for-sleeping-naked-with-student.html
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September 5, 2019 6:31pm
- The King
  
  “When we win, do not forget that these people want you broke, dead, your kids raped and brainwashed, and they think it’s funny”
  
  that meme grows stronger everyday.
  
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  September 5, 2019 6:48pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  Teaching Council covers itself in glory once again//
  Remember when charter schools were a creation of the devil because of teacher registration being the ultimate standard?
  Here the TC suppresses the perverts name while they pffaff around with an investigation that lasts 18 months while the teacher is free to go on doing whatever he likes.
  Why are the MoE being pilloried when the guys identity was suppressed?
  This one can only be sheeted home to the Teachers Council.
  
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  September 5, 2019 7:39pm
Jack5

A State school where the teachers decide whether the lunch you pack for your children is healthy enough.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/398175/parent-says-child-publicly-shamed-for-muffin-in-lunch-box
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September 5, 2019 6:35pm
- Jack5
  
  Whoops! Sorry didn’t see this had already been posted.
  
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  September 5, 2019 6:46pm
- The King
  
  This same principal banned Rugby at the school.
  
  “Why are kids playing fortnite and not rugby”
  
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  September 5, 2019 7:01pm
Maggy Wassilieff

We’ve overshot the Measles target..
1051 cases today. (it was 991 this morning)
https://www.health.govt.nz/your-health/conditions-and-treatments/diseases-and-illnesses/measles/2019-measles-outbreak-information
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September 5, 2019 7:34pm
Swifty

It appears the clairvoyant never saw this coming:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=12265018

Scammer.
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September 5, 2019 7:40pm
- MrTips
  
  So one bullshit artiste gets annoyed at another bullshit artiste. Magic.
  
  Plus she looks like the sister of the beanpole weather girl on TV Un.
  
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  September 5, 2019 8:37pm
chaos

A medium isn’t a clairvoyant. And he knew she was going to be on it because she told him, they are separated.
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September 5, 2019 8:15pm
Maggy Wassilieff

I wonder if Jacinda Ardern still reckons NZ hasn’t got a Measles Outbreak.

Look at what the rest of World is saying:
New Zealand measles outbreak rises above 1,000 cases

The US Center for Disease Control and Prevention has issued advice to get measles vaccination before visiting New Zealand.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-49589620
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September 5, 2019 8:49pm
- chaos
  
  Has the pretend dr pretend health minister even come out of hiding yet
  
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  September 5, 2019 8:58pm
- sooty
  
  Hiding is she?
  Has she been listerning to the tellie?
  
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  September 5, 2019 9:08pm
srylands

This guy has gone crying to the media. Actions. Consequences. It is pathetic that the media give this guy the time of day.

If he had been allowed in to this melbourne restaurant the people that were in the vicinity would never have returned.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/115582051/man-with-t-moko-turned-away-from-melbourne-restaurant
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September 5, 2019 10:41pm
Alan Wilkinson

Hickey celebrates a decade and a half of writing drivel about housing:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/115557248/with-the-kiwibuild-reset-young-renters-just-got-toasted-again
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September 6, 2019 7:56am
softail 1450

Didn’t this great blog regularly have 500 posts in a single day ,Jeeeeeez.
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