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Maggie Pie

“I don’t know a lot about the people New Zealand, but all of us here in Pakistan thank you”
– Asad Khant

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September 30, 2019 8:04am
- Ruawai
  
  Last I checked we had borders and customs control at most countries borders.
  
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  September 30, 2019 8:23am
  - Tall Man
    
    Irrelevant if ardern is telling everyone to “come on over”.
    
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    September 30, 2019 9:18am
- Raphael
  
  And Winnie is vowing to end immigration…..
  
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  September 30, 2019 8:28am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    You grow up in a crowded country, where raising children is expensive and housing is unaffordable, so you decide to have fewer or no kids. Fair enough. Over time as the population of your country falls, houses will become cheaper and there will be less congestion in the big cities.
    And then the government cheats by opening the immigration floodgates and swapping you out demographically.
    Is there no justice? (And the people keep on voting for the establishment parties.) Oh well, it is the will of the people, I guess…
    
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    September 30, 2019 9:01am
    - Raphael
      
      Speaking as an immigrant to this fair land, I take it you would prefer I was never able to move here?
      
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      September 30, 2019 9:24am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        Raphael,
        I am as guilty as you of coming to this country and “taking houses away” from Kiwis. (I haven’t taken any jobs away, since my clients are all based in Japan.)
        
        Should native New Zealanders be “protected” from competition from immigrants? Should the country pursue a policy of “globalism” or of “nationalism”? It’s a tricky one.
        
        I feel quite conflicted about this issue sometimes.
        
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        September 30, 2019 9:38am
      - Kiwi Dave
        
        There’s a huge difference between disliking an immigration policy whose cost/benefit to NZ is uncertain and disliking individual immigrants, who might or might not be contributing to NZ.
        
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        September 30, 2019 10:16am
      - Michael
        
        Raphael
        You sound so woke!
        Taking an issue as a personal insult.
        Are you a child or just stupid?
        
        I am an immigrant too, twice, 2 different continents.
        and I agree with him.
        – Immigration must have a plan that benefits the country.
        – Immigrants must benefit the country and should be chosen.
        More importantly, – immigrants shouldn’t squeeze out the locals nor should they upturn the locals values and mores unless they are negative and damaging to both people and society.
        
        NB:The religion of peace doesn’t qualify, (no matter what liberals say) neither do corrupt regimes and their people, neither do communists or fascists.
        
        Which are you?
        
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        September 30, 2019 10:28am
      - The King
        
        Yes.
        
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        September 30, 2019 1:07pm
      - IC5000
        
        Honestly yes.
        
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        September 30, 2019 5:33pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Only during election time.
    
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    September 30, 2019 9:19am
- Liberty
  
  Is Dot.Com writing Dear Leaders speeches?
  
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  September 30, 2019 9:50am
- Fletch
  
  So, just because some khant praises her, we should all join in?
  
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  September 30, 2019 10:20am
  - Fletch
    
    Oh, I see it was a joke name to begin with *whooosh!*
    
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    September 30, 2019 11:05am
- pb
  
  What I don’t get is that international socialists love open borders, but in all countries where said international socialists have taken control, the borders are festooned with machine guns to keep people in!
  
  Open borders is a plank of the anti-human Critical Theorists. All people apparently deserve to become bitter equal goo.
  
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  September 30, 2019 10:27am
  - Akarak
    
    Given that Jacinda is no doubt aware that the Waitangi Treaty’s principles of partnership, participation and protection may need to be internationalised in order for maori to extend their claims offshore has she sought approval from local iwi?
    
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    September 30, 2019 10:45am
  - Fletch
    
    “When you build a wall to keep people in, that’s a prison. When you build a wall to keep people out, that’s an expression of sovereignty.”
    – Charles Krauthammer
    
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    September 30, 2019 10:56am
  - The King
    
    Israel gets to deport 40,000 black Africans for no other reason than the color of their skin and the world says nothing.
    
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    September 30, 2019 1:09pm
    - Batman
      
      A plan which was scrapped. See: https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-middle-east-43879800
      
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      September 30, 2019 1:16pm
    - Kiwi Dave
      
      …for no other reasonthan they are black…”
      
      Yet Batman’s linked news item identifies them as illegal immigrants from Eritrea who crossed into Israel from Egypt, which makes them economic migrants rather than refugees.
      
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      September 30, 2019 4:24pm
    - ISeeRed
      
      You need to retract what you wrote. It was proven false through a few minutes’ fact-checking.
      
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      September 30, 2019 6:22pm
cmm

I see they’re talking up PriNZess for the Nobel.

Please, someone, just hit me with a rock.
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September 30, 2019 8:06am
- Scott
  
  CMM – I feel your pain! 🙂
  Meanwhile outside the elite bubble in Heartland New Zealand there is a completely different feeling about our Prime Minister.
  Unilaterally decides to halt all oil and gas exploration. Upsets everyone in Taranaki.
  Decides that there will be no new coal mines on the West Coast. The West Coast is not happy!
  Cancels new roads and puts new taxes on petrol. Well that upsets every motorist.
  Abandons flagship policy of new affordable housing. What is she planning to achieve during the government’s term of office?
  Unilaterally decides that any protections of the unborn child will be abandoned. Christians and social conservatives are incensed. Unfortunately unborn children can’t be reached for comment.
  Keen to sign every protocol to stop global warming and climate change including culling of dairy herds. Dairy farmers are alarmed!
  Business confidence plummets as government spends more and taxes more.
  
  However in the wake of the Christchurch massacre she puts on a hijab and hugs Muslim women. The media and the elites proclaim her a great leader!
  
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  September 30, 2019 8:14am
  - Gravelroad
    
    Yes, Scott, where I live the shine is definitely (although reluctantly in many cases) going off Jacinda and her band of total incompetents.
    Only diehard socialists are still making excuses for her/them.
    Unfortunately though, we are neither city-based nor elite. Jacinda and her acolytes have no regard at all for heartland families.
    As an aside – we had a rueful chuckle about a TV1 news item on Saturday which praised the millions of taxpayer funds being spent currently on cleaning up an area of industrial pollution and contamination somewhere on the Auckland waterfront. This is in preparation for the America’s Cup yachting.
    All very nice and cosy.
    No blame, no hate, no judgement, no suggestion of polluter pays. No one taking their own lives.
    Unlike the witch hunts going on in the rural sector…………
    
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    September 30, 2019 9:06am
- Happychappy
  
  How can you tell the World about your well being budget and encourage them to use it and then at home hide a sexual assault committed by a staff member from your own office and sweep it under the carpet in a attempt to hide it until you are caught out and expect everyone to back you to win the Noble Peace Prize. MSM in NZ are politically corrupt with their stupidity as if it had been one of their own sexually assaulted they would be screaming the house down.
  
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  September 30, 2019 8:19am
  - cmm
    
    The people dishing out Nobels are inside the same bubble.
    
    Do you really think they care about Fingergate 1 and 2, corruption for friends and bunbling incompetence?
    
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    September 30, 2019 9:12am
    - Tall Man
      
      They’re probably hoping for a turn although they probably have their own interns and swiss ball.
      
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      September 30, 2019 9:24am
    - stephieboy
      
      cmm , do you also these two in mind- Nelson Mandela and F W De Klerk?
      
      https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/peace/1993/summary/
      
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      September 30, 2019 10:32am
      - cmm
        
        You do not deserve it but I will take your answer seriously.
        
        Even though Mandela was the head of a terrorist organisation that killed tens of thousands of the people he was supposed to be liberating.
        
        Even though De Klerk helped set up South Africa for what it is now (another failed part of Africa).
        
        I still think they deserved the Nobel because they managed to broker a peace, at least for 25-odd years, where the expected outcome was immediate civil war.
        
        Where is the civil war threat that PriNZess defused?
        
        Comparing brokering a deal like that with giving a few hugs is absurd in the extreme.
        
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        September 30, 2019 11:02am
      - stephieboy
        
        cmm,
        
        “…that killed tens of thousands of the people ..”
        
        ???
        
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        September 30, 2019 2:51pm
      - cmm
        
        stephie you are such a forgetful muppet. We have been through this before. Countless times.
        
        There were thousands of black South Africans killed every year in ANC vs others violence in the struggle to be king of the castle before the hand over to black rule. This went on for well over a decade (1980s).
        
        If it was a freedom struggle you’d expect most of the people the ANC killed to be whites.
        
        But no, the ANC were almost exclusively killing other blacks.
        
        Nor was it whites baiting the blacks to kill eachother. Indeed every year thousands of white soldiers and reservists (myself included) were called up to go on township patrol duty to stop the blacks killing each other.
        
        Please remember. Next time you forget I will not be so patient.
        
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        September 30, 2019 4:50pm
- Paulus
  
  There also talking about Trump too for this prize – but we all know this is a set up is for a little Swedish girl to get it anyway.
  
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  September 30, 2019 8:37am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    If Greta won the Nobel Peace Prize, I would not at all be surprised.
    
    Being white may count against her, but her youth and mental illnesses may offset this.
    
    That’s the trouble with intersectionality. How do you decide the weighting of any one particular characteristic? Does mental illness outweight gender, or age, or skin color or religion? On what basis do you sort and rank this infinite number of attributes?
    
    Forget it. Just treat the person as an individual and be done with it.
    
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    September 30, 2019 9:06am
    - Scott
      
      Odakyu-sen – I know how you feel. They really should publish “an idiot’s guide to intersectionality!”
      
      After careful study I believe the way that it goes is this. White men are horrible and responsible for everything wrong in the world. Old white men are the worst of the worst.
      
      Women are of course victims of the patriarchy and so they get victimisation points. A young woman is particularly worth listening to, especially if they have a disability! Then they start to become the font of all wisdom.
      
      Above them are people of colour especially in New Zealand Maori people who should be given millions of dollars of compensation for colonisation and also their hurt feelings about Captain Cook.
      
      Above them are homosexuals and lesbians who in every TV program should be portrayed as the most saint like people in the whole show.
      
      Above them are transgender who should be able to identify as whatever they want and whenever they want.
      
      Then at the top of the victimisation hierarchy is Muslims! That’s why our Prime Minister hugging Muslim women is just so virtue signalling that no wonder she deserves a Nobel Peace Prize! 🙂
      
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      September 30, 2019 11:23am
      - Nickc2
        
        Sez a lot about the relevance of the Nobel Peace Prize doesn’t it Scott. They even gave one to Obama FFS.
        
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        September 30, 2019 12:04pm
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        If the NZ Prime Minister won the Nobel Peace Prize, then that would be an amazing thing.
        
        Intersectionality ignores the individual and assigns them to a group. A better way to create hostility between “us” and “them” could not be imagined. It is inducive to civil war. It creates “fear,” which is a useful tool for the manipulation of people who follow the herd and do not think for themselves.
        
        While wolves may laugh off intersectionality as foolishness, the sheep will absolutely go for it. Therein lies its alure and its danger.
        
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        September 30, 2019 12:14pm
    - cmm
      
      No she’s too young and can have a chance next year.
      
      The Nobel committee know that PriNZess is likely to crap her nest before the next cycle so they better give her the prize now.
      
      It is a bit like how they gave Obama the prize before he became prez and made a fool of himself.
      
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      September 30, 2019 4:53pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Princess Kindy with garters.
  
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  September 30, 2019 8:51am
- igm
  
  Nobel is now worth less than a Weetbix card . . . look at the leeches who have received it of late?
  
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  September 30, 2019 8:58am
  - Tall Man
    
    Worth around $US1 million.
    
    You must get really nice weetbix.
    
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    September 30, 2019 9:31am
  - Colville
    
    its $2mil (nz) weetbix card tho!
    
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    September 30, 2019 9:42am
- Rich Prick
  
  They dish those gongs out to just about anyone these days. In fact, the neighbour’s cat has one.
  
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  September 30, 2019 9:11am
  - Tall Man
    
    I think it’s been more than 10 years since a whitey got the dough….
    
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    September 30, 2019 9:32am
    - igm
      
      Criteria is black and communist, but they may make exceptions so as to appease those who think it is racist, though communism will still be a contributing factor.
      
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      September 30, 2019 2:27pm
  - calendar girl
    
    Before too many conclusions are reached about Greta Thunburg and her chances of winning a Nobel Peace Prize, I would want to know about the authorship of her speech to the UN.
    
    Was the content of that speech her own original work, or was all or much of it provided by an anonymous person rather more than 15 years of age? And who could be trusted to provide an authoritative answer to that question?
    
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    September 30, 2019 11:38am
    - Batman
      
      There’s a Facebook post from her that is floating around the net, from January this year, which talks about this.
      
      She does most herself but gets some assistance on the scientific side from a couple of climate scientists, and some input from her parents.
      
      Read into that what you will, I obviously cannot verify it myself!
      
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      September 30, 2019 11:44am
      - calendar girl
        
        Thanks, Batman. I guess my reaction is “But who would ever know?” I doubt very much, for example, that her repeated “How dare you!” challenge originated from a 16-year-old whose native language is not English.
        
        I also query what proportion of people could be expected to respond positively to that repetitive “How dare you!” rhetorical device. Great and effective oratory usually involves an ability to persuade an audience, at the individual level, primarily through the use of reason. Thunburg’s address, however, appeared to assume that her audience at large were invariably conservation infidels. It’s not common that people are persuaded of a point of view by being insulted repeatedly.
        
        Over a short period somebody will make a fortune from “discovering” and/or marketing Ms Thunburg in relation to her address. But that address is unlikely, in my view, to signal the beginning of a meaningful revolution in countering the world’s real ‘global warming’ threat.
        
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        September 30, 2019 2:20pm
      - cmm
        
        CG: She has also “written” a book about their family life.
        
        I’m guessing there’s a lot of ghost writing going on.
        
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        September 30, 2019 4:56pm
    - cmm
      
      Screw all that fact nonsense, cant you feel the feelz?
      
      Isn’t that enough for you or are you an Orange Nazi?
      
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      September 30, 2019 4:55pm
- Rocky Jnr
  
  How about the Nobel for the two outstanding cops who apprehended the Chch gunman?
  
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  September 30, 2019 9:43am
  - peterwn
    
    Ha ha! The only official response they probably had was to do a ‘please explain’ for a damaged police car especially since their serge told them to be more careful when driving.
    
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    September 30, 2019 10:58am
- tf78
  
  Trump should get the Peace Prize.
  Greta should get the War Prize.
  Cindy should get the Booby Prize.
  
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  September 30, 2019 9:56am
slightlyrighty

My Facebook feed was interrupted by a Labour Party ad claiming credit for the new Radiation Machine being installed in Wellington for cancer treatment. They stated that this was another example of Labour countering 9 years of neglect.

The second reply was from someone who worked there, and stated that the Radiation Department had always had high quality equipment, and that this new machine had been in the pipeline for some time as a planned procurement.
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September 30, 2019 8:10am
- Swifty
  
  Labour lie so casually these days.
  
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  September 30, 2019 8:26am
  - igm
    
    The are definitely strangers to anything resembling truth or fact.
    
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    September 30, 2019 8:58am
- Michael
  
  Like their Leader Jacinda, Labour don’t know when they are lying anymore.
  
  ROWG meet several times a year, look at and plan the country’s cancer care via their centres.
  Has the Labour Minister of Health ever met with them, had a coffee?
  
  Nah didn’t think so.
  
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  September 30, 2019 10:38am
ldypen

Nahh… give it to Greta as she can produce face contortions that leaves Cindy’s in the dust!
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September 30, 2019 8:11am
- Inandout
  
  Idy, and we are told those who don’t swallow her guff must be ‘scared of her’.
  
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  September 30, 2019 8:56am
- Michael
  
  Idypen
  Yep pouty face doesn’t match up does it?
  
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  September 30, 2019 10:39am
tknorriss

I am in Lucerne, Switzerland for a few days as part of my European holiday.

Our urban planners should come and study how they do public transport here. It is outstanding. So convenient and economical to use.

And this is in Lucerne with a population of only 80000 and what appears to be a similar spread to our cities.

So no excuses on the basis of small population and city spread. It is just a matter of getting it right.
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September 30, 2019 8:13am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Council, get it right and transport just don’t seem to fit in the same sentence.
  
  Try Auckland harbour bridge, breakdown, bus and rush hour as a combination.
  
  Throw in AT and there is no flicking chance of anything working as meant, efficiently and effectively, ever.
  
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  September 30, 2019 8:37am
  - kevn
    
    @Paulus… Apparently one wannbe Akld councilor is suggesting a trainline be made part of the harbour bridge crossing.
    Don’t laugh folks.
    
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    September 30, 2019 9:32am
    - peterwn
      
      Well, the Sydney Harbour Bridge originally had train and tram lines. Train lines are still used but the tram lines have been converted to ectra traffic lanes.
      
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      September 30, 2019 11:04am
      - Nickc2
        
        Our harbour bridge’s use by date is insufficient for any engineering changes.
        
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        September 30, 2019 11:56am
- Frank Thomas
  
  I hear what your saying, but to be fair you are talking about a genuine 1st world country with a per capita GDP 50% higher than ours with double our population, all crammed into an area which is roughly the size of the Waikato and BoP.
  Admittedly the whole country is basically a giant mountain range, but then they are not encumbered with Treaty payouts to deal with.
  
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  September 30, 2019 8:51am
  - Tall Man
    
    Or bludgers using other’s money to live so they can avoid that nasty work thingy.
    
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    September 30, 2019 9:34am
  - tknorriss
    
    The 8 million verses nearly five for us. So not quite double.
    
    I guess the gdp thing is a chicken and egg argument. Maybe their gdp is higher due to being more efficient (including in their public transport).
    
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    September 30, 2019 6:01pm
- cmm
  
  How many earthquakes in Lucerne?
  
  Europe is very different in that they have centuries of capital and development to draw on. We’re still pretty much hewing civilisation out of virgin ground.
  
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  September 30, 2019 9:15am
  - herb1
    
    I think we’re having trouble hewing civilisation out of the virgin ground that is the Labour greens
    
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    September 30, 2019 9:24am
  - Tall Man
    
    And we are pleased with truly incompetent representation.
    
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    September 30, 2019 9:35am
- Nickc2
  
  In NZ, we’re not allowed to have roads so why waste money on transport?
  
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  September 30, 2019 9:50am
- Liberty
  
  “Our urban planners should come and study how they do public transport here.”
  Are you seriously suggesting Council send some parasites on a junket trip
  to Lucerne.?
  
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  September 30, 2019 10:07am
  - Akarak
    
    We already have large numbers of ‘urban planners’ and ‘design champions’ who travel overseas to study how other countries do ‘it’.
    Unfortunately they return home and get it all wrong!
    Such trips are usually referred to as ‘junkets’.
    They are very expensive ‘junkets’.
    We buy our ‘junkets’ from the local supermarket for a couple of dollars.
    
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    September 30, 2019 10:57am
artemisia

Will Ms Genter try to manipulate again. Will she accept NZTA’s position it is perfectly OK to treat 1594 separate ‘feebate’ submissions as spam thus as only one submission, even though they were from identified individuals. Is this a new rule?

Mr Bridges – “We know Julie Anne Genter was being liberal with the truth when she said in August that about 80 per cent of online responses support the car tax.”Bridges said Genter should reopen public submissions “as well as explain to New Zealanders why she will only entertain people who share her way of looking at things”.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=12271982
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September 30, 2019 8:13am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  JAG has an extremely concerning lack of concern for democratic principles and processes, her behavior in pretty much everything she touches indicates a desire to be a despotic authoritarian commissar.
  
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  September 30, 2019 8:51am
- DigNap15
  
  Did she read my response?
  
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  September 30, 2019 10:52am
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/116207595/transport-ministry-will-review-processes-after-national-party-submissions-labelled-as-scam
  
  It seems Simon’s forced the Ministry to backtrack on this one. Well done!
  
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  September 30, 2019 3:26pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Why is Australia arming up?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-09-30/australia-worlds-second-biggest-weapons-importer-behind-saudi/11558762
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September 30, 2019 8:15am
- MCos
  
  From the article
  ‘there are some legitimate doubts about the figures’
  
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  September 30, 2019 8:23am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I read the article… try reading on further..
    
    “I think everyone who uses those figures realises that there’s some issues with the methodology but they use the same technique every year, so I think in trend terms it’s fair to draw inferences from it,” he said.
    
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    September 30, 2019 8:48am
- Paginus
  
  Because they know the US can’t protect them when US civil war breaks out.
  
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  September 30, 2019 8:28am
  - Tarquin North
    
    A bit early for drinking?
    
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    September 30, 2019 8:37am
    - Paginus
      
      The US is in a financial bind they can never get out of, and have had the largest migration of people the world has ever seen. 80 million people, mainly Mexicans since 1965. A peaceful outcome is highly optimistic.
      
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      September 30, 2019 8:57am
      - cmm
        
        While I agree they have problems ahead, they are miles away from a civil war.
        
        Look what a shithole South Africa has become. They’re still not getting into civil wars (yet).
        
        USA is streets ahead of South Africa.
        
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        September 30, 2019 9:21am
      - Tarquin North
        
        Trump is shutting the door that should have closed years ago.
        
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        September 30, 2019 9:41am
- Komata
  
  Maggi@0815
  
  Why? Two reasons: Because only a few hundred km’s away to the north is Indonesia, a muslim country whuch has long had aspirational expansionist tendencies and has traditionally been regarded with some wariness by Australia, while further north is Communist China, a state with very definite expansionist and imperial tendencies, and a desire to make the South Pacific a Chinese lake.
  
  On that basis, forewarned is definitely fore-armed, and the Australians are taking measures appropriate to the situation as they perceive it..
  
  New Zealand, of course (and tradtionally BTW), chooses to think otherwise.
  
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  September 30, 2019 8:40am
  - MCos
    
    When I was a kid the Vietnam War was justified along the same lines and Australia became involved with some enthusiasm; NZ a little more reluctantly.
    As it happens China has used their cheque book and fountain pen to assert dominance over a myriad of countries and all the flash gunships in the world can’t do much about that.
    What does Indonesia’s want to invade Australia for? There’s nothing up there.
    
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    September 30, 2019 11:28am
    - Nickc2
      
      MCos, Indonesia has an ever increasing population that has to feed itself. It also has a massive Military which it must keep employed for fear that it may turn on it’s own government.
      Indonesia is also a very very corrupt country, so much so that any Indonesian citizen makes Shane Jones look like a saint.
      This corrupt country was and to a degree still is the staging post for boat people setting out to illegally enter Australia. These illegal immigrants are mostly from Muslim countries and once inside Australia albeit illegally, it was and still is feared they would become ‘sleepers’ until informed by their various Mosques that some for of uprising/take over was required.
      Don’t forget, the UK has been somewhat taken over by Muslims already whereby some Counties are administered under Sharia Law.
      Australia does not want these people doing the same to Australia. If you go to Lakemba in NSW, you will find it has already happened. Look at the website below.
      https://www.google.co.nz/search?sxsrf=ACYBGNS4JIyef2Vhqm20Xq8P9HEM3wJuog%3A1569799030932&source=hp&ei=djuRXaPvNqTUz7sPzpaIwAk&q=lakemba+no+go+zone&oq=Lakemba&gs_l=psy-ab.1.2.0l10.1619.3499..10772…0.0..0.171.1139.0j7….2..0….1..gws-wiz…….0i131j0i10.dwmMrA0odbg#spf=1569799044614
      Lakemba is now a no go area for Police in NSW. How many of them are illegal immigrants who arrived by boat under the Rudd, Gillard, Rudd governments, no body knows.
      Do you think the same thing could happen here in Christchurch? Probably but we are too friendly and huggy orientated to do anything about it.
      Consider UN resolution 2030, we signed up to it.
      
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      September 30, 2019 12:29pm
- mtamati
  
  Why is Australia arming up?
  
  I hope it is to invade NZ and install Scot Morrison as our PM.
  
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  September 30, 2019 8:52am
  - peterwn
    
    Being 51st and 52nd States may be a better deal for NZ (might as well go for Waiheke Island as the 53rd State).
    
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    September 30, 2019 11:11am
- Tall Man
  
  Boat people plus aggressive expansion from Indonesia and China.
  
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  September 30, 2019 9:37am
- KevO'Brien
  
  It may have a bit to do with the USA proposing a new military base in AUS. Aus trying to capture US interest and possible military production contracts?
  
  The Aus mineral industry is captured by Chinese interests so the US will be seeking to counter that. Chinese lay long term plans for supply.
  
  Our neighbours free ranging can increase our risks too. The world sees NZ as tied to Aus.
  
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  September 30, 2019 9:39am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Australia certainly doesn’t see NZ that way.
    
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    September 30, 2019 2:19pm
- Nickc2
  
  Maggy, Australia has the worlds largest Muslim population (Indonesia) right outside it’s front door.
  Australia is also is well aware of Chinese ambitions in the South Pacific and South China Seas.
  Australian Defence Forces were run down during their Rudd, Gillard, Rudd governments who like ours, were anti US.
  Australia also honours it’s commitments to it’s allies which is something we don’t currently do. Yes, I am aware we are increasing our stock of military hardware, but it’s largely incompatible with that of our only remaining allie (Australia).
  I also believe if Cindy is still our PM when any form of hostility or deterrence thereof in the South Pacific occurs, she will dress up in her Muslim attire and run screaming to the UN who will and can do nothing,
  
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  September 30, 2019 10:23am
Swifty

Marama Fox, who called her opponents all sorts of names and casually threw around racist slurs in the lead up to the 2017 election, leads by example in how to conduct yourself in business and in life:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/116190972/my-sympathy-has-gone-liquidators-on-the-hunt-for-marama-fox

What disgraceful behaviour. Especially from someone who was so quick to label others as useless, stale, male and pale, rip-off merchants, capitalists only out for themselves etc etc.

And this woman had the cheek to ask us to vote her into governance roles.
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September 30, 2019 8:16am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  RNZ is running with a big show on her and a few other Maori ex-MPs
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/programmes/matangireia/story/2018710970/matangireia-episode-6-marama-fox
  
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  September 30, 2019 8:50am
  - Swifty
    
    Thanks Maggy.
    
    I have just tried to watch that, but I can’t. I just can’t stand her – for her behaviour in Parliament and, as we’ve seen again today, her behaviour since.
    
    I spent large parts of my youth in Masterton, and the wider Wairarapa, and the biggest impediment to Maori progressing was themselves. Shitty behaviour, shitty attitudes, shitty parenting and with a lot of folk absolutely no thought for tomorrow.
    
    I’ve hunted with Maori on pigs and deer, worked in forestry with them, in shearing gangs up and down the lower-North Island and drunk with them later and I’ve seen plenty get ahead with their own businesses and home ownership. People I’m proud to call friends and who I’ve learned a lot from.
    
    I’ve also witnessed the worst brutality and predation by Maori on other Maori and Pakeha alike. Multi-generational appalling lifestyles funded by welfare, soaked in piss and devoid of decency and any hope.
    
    The difference? Under-developed personal responsibility, shitty parenting, victim mentality and shitty tribal us versus them mindsets.
    
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    September 30, 2019 9:19am
Tricati

I see Genter’s muppets in NZTA excluded 1000 submissions on her EV scheme, saying they only counted as one as from the same Electronic Signature (Nationals website).
Seems OK to use Greenpeace’s dubious 40,000 submissions to shut down the Oil & Gas industry, but not from National supporters using similar technology.
It seems Ms Genter is involved in some serious dubious behaviour of late – Where’s the letter!!!.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12271982
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September 30, 2019 8:17am
- Swifty
  
  We are being openly misled and manipulated by the very people elected to represent us.
  
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  September 30, 2019 8:24am
  - tf78
    
    But we didn’t elect them, Winston selected them.
    
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    September 30, 2019 10:01am
- emmess
  
  Bridges said National did not bend anyone’s arm to speak up.
  
  Jeez, these people have some nerve.
  It’s not like the offered 150000 kids a free day off school to speak up.
  
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  September 30, 2019 8:30am
- MCos
  
  I don’t know about the oil & gas submissions and I doubt NZTA do either, but it’s fair to say that if hundreds of identical submissions came from the same email address with the same message over a short period of time it’s spam, whatever the issue.
  BTW
  Friends of ours won an award for their restaurant using the same corrupt tactics.
  Bastards!
  If only I’d known beforehand I would’ve made the appropriate authorities aware.
  
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  September 30, 2019 8:51am
  - Tall Man
    
    You sound like a great friend.
    
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    September 30, 2019 9:38am
  - Komata
    
    Mcos@0851
    
    So you’d be a socialist / labour party supporter then?
    
    (Just asking).
    
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    September 30, 2019 9:58am
- kowtow
  
  They’re doing the same thing with submissions on the latest arms bill. And they’ve shortened the time allowed.
  
  Most open and transparent ?
  
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  September 30, 2019 9:41am
  - Batman
    
    If people use standardised submissions from lobby groups because they can’t be arses spending 5-10 minutes writing a couple of their own paragraphs, they shouldn’t expect to be taken very seriously.
    
    They give the same treatment to Greenpeace and lefty groups so it’s a double edged sword.
    
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    September 30, 2019 2:14pm
TWEEDSE

After last week’s talk fest, the UN seems as redundant as socialism.
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September 30, 2019 8:19am
Tony Stuart

Did anyone else see One News last night?

NZ First is going to scuttle Stuart Nash’s plan to test drugs at music festivals over the summer. NZF MP Darroch Ball was quoted thus:

NZ First law and order spokesperson Darroch Ball said drug testing could legitimise and encourage drug use.

“We’re acting at the wrong end here. We’re being very reactionary if we think it’s okay to start saving lives or to start protecting people after the drug has been taken or after it’s been purchased,” he said.

But someone forgot to tell the Boss:

But when asked by 1 NEWS if his party was opposed to drug testing at festivals, NZ First leader Winston Peters said he “wouldn’t want to give you an answer now. I don’t know if you’re correct about that”.

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/police-ministers-plan-legalise-pill-testing-summer-festivals-derailed-nz-first-says-encourages-drug-use

Apart from leaving NZF completely, making Peters look out of touch or ill-informed in public is the most serious sin an NZF MP can commit. I suspect there will be repercussions for Ball, even if he’s right.
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September 30, 2019 8:39am
- pdm
  
  One of NZ lifes great certainties is that NZFirst will do what Winston demands they do.
  
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  September 30, 2019 8:56am
- Rich Prick
  
  To be fair, it’s pretty hard to predict where Winston’s mind will be on any given day and any particular topic. I have a similar problem with my 85 year old father and where he parked the car.
  
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  September 30, 2019 9:21am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Winston: mild dementia?
    
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    September 30, 2019 9:42am
  - Tarquin North
    
    You have to wonder what he really was in hospital for. I don’t think they can cure alcohol induced dementia.
    
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    September 30, 2019 10:24am
- Happychappy
  
  Ask Richard Prosser.
  
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  September 30, 2019 2:40pm
kevn

Lots of folk at the UN on tax-free salaries. Can’t see them ‘unlatching’ any time soon.
JA may well join them…
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September 30, 2019 8:41am
- sooty
  
  In her dreams!
  
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  September 30, 2019 12:54pm
Yvette

A RNZ article leads online “Bullying in the police: Victim reveals identity and wants ‘to see change’ ”

It follows earlier RNZ headlines –
• Bullying in the police: Victim asked if she had ‘period troubles’ 23 September
• Bullying in the police: Victims say Speak Up complaints system lets them down. 16 Sept
• Bullying in the police: ‘It just builds up and builds up’. 9 Sept
• Ex-officer says bullying in police impacting on public too. 10 Sept
• Bullying in the police ‘mental abuse’ – officer. 9 Sept

This morning’s item ends with “Where to get help:” and lists eleven agencies such as Depression Helpline, Samaritans and Suicide Crisis Helpline.
– for an article about Police behaviour?

Is this why the Labour Party tries to deal with complaints of sexual assault internally rather than referring them to Police investigation?

Maybe we will find out when the Dew Review is due next Monday, October 7

This of course may upset downtickers –
Do you not like the reported Police behaviour?
Do you dislike Labour procedures?
Do you not like this with your morning coffee?
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September 30, 2019 8:43am
stephieboy

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Attacks on Greta Thunberg Are About More Than Anti-Environmentalism

Freak yachting accidents do happen…”

That was how British businessman, Trump ally, and Brexit bankroller Arron Banks responded to the news that Greta Thunberg, the Swedish teen who inspired the school climate strikes movement, was sailing to America to attend the UN Climate Action Summit. His scorn was not unique.

Many people have already spilled thousands of words of commentary explaining how personal attacks on Greta — often lobbed by old white men, sometimes mocking her Aspergers — are unacceptable. But understanding where those attackers come from, ideologically and professionally, casts an important light on some of their dark statements.

That’s because a large subsection of the commentariat driving the abuse of Greta is part of an established network of radical free-marketeer lobby groups — a network that has firm ties to the fossil fuel industry and funders of climate science denial…”

Yep, a whole network of older white men( and women) that include those with close ties to the free marketers like Aaron Banks who bankrolled Nigel Farage’s Brexit Party with 29 seats in the European Party members of whom are many climate deniers and leanings towards far right-wing party populism and nationalism,

https://www.desmogblog.com/2019/09/15/attacks-greta-thunberg-right-wing-free-market-network?utm_source=desmog%20%20weekly%20newsletter
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September 30, 2019 8:48am
- ross411
  
  Chapter 9, paragraph 24 of the leftist playbook.
  
  1. Get outraged about something.
  2. Rant in front of your child. Tell your child how horrible this thing you are outraged is. Wait for them to get teary and upset.
  3. Wheel them out in front of press and damn anyone who dares to question their naive fears.
  
  Works for school closures when employed by teachers and parents, and broadcast by complicit “journalists”. Works for Swedish parents, and politicians who find the viewpoint compatible, and broadcast/publicised by “journalists”.
  
  Child abuse by any other name.
  
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  September 30, 2019 9:29am
- Rich Prick
  
  That’s odd, no Kiwiblog on that web of evil right wing bastardness. Lord knows we think Greta is silly enough to qualify for a spot.
  
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  September 30, 2019 9:36am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Wisdom has never been attributed to 16 year old autistic children. Even less a paid presentation.
  The stronger the action advocated the greater the evidence needed to justify the action.
  Alarmism in deprecated in traditional fables. It diverts needed attention.
  Science is settled until the next paper.
  The paper on acid oceans which has fed the frenzy over the past months has now been withdrawn.
  
  Not keeping an open mind on these matters is to allow fraud against hope and rich opportunists to take advantage.
  The future is much brighter than we are being allowed to behold.
  If it gets colder we adapt. If we want it warmer just shift. Don’t blame us for feeding plastics to fish. Don’t go overboard on conflating issues of basic care with the earth being burnt to a cinder. God’s offer is Hope.
  
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  September 30, 2019 9:55am
- Nostradamus
  
  Stephieboy:
  
  Another day, another comment from you about Greta? Fortunately for Greta, and unfortunately for you, she won’t be visiting St Lukes or the Yoga Pantry anytime soon. Time to find another hobby old chap!
  
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  September 30, 2019 10:23am
- Inandout
  
  Poor little Greta Greenhouse, such a used little tot with CO2 delusions.
  
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  September 30, 2019 11:17am
- The King
  
  Using prophet Greta to attack a race of people.
  
  You: “we hate White men”
  
  White men: ” we hate you too”
  
  You: “racist!”
  
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  September 30, 2019 1:21pm
Maggie Pie

Took the dogs out for a walk along the Avenue last evening.
We were a little surprised to see the number of billboards erected on peoples fences promoting C&R candidate ‘Desley Simpson’ in her bid for re-election to the Orakei Ward.

As my partner said, “Certainly gets my vote. She’s not too dusty, for an oldie” 🙂

https://www.instagram.com/p/B1I9tF5JZmb/
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September 30, 2019 9:03am
JimBobJoe

Kate saying Kate things about Greta and friends…
https://asianinvasion2019.blogspot.com/2019/09/why-i-am-greta-thunbergs-poster-adult.html?m=1
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September 30, 2019 9:06am
- ross411
  
  Even painting it the way she does, she cannot prove that half the things she thinks are sustainable are actually so. Are those organic things more harmful to produce than the non-organic things? No-one can possibly be sure that their “ethical” or “organic” choices are actually better, they have to close their eyes and pretend/hope.
  
  It’s complicated and there’s not one answer that happens to be “carbon”. Too bad it’s easier to wheel out a brain-washed child than to address the real issues.
  
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  September 30, 2019 9:34am
- kowtow
  
  Great site that.
  
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  September 30, 2019 9:49am
Manolo

Who says we don’t have honest people?
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/liquidators-on-the-hunt-for-marama-fox/ar-AAI1Cey

Liquidators of Marama Fox’s failed consulting company have had to engage agents to track down the former political party leader, who is believed to have fled to Australia.

Creditors have claimed Fox owes them more than $111,000, which she said she planned to pay back through personal finance, soon after her company went into liquidation last year.
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September 30, 2019 9:35am
- ross411
  
  What the fudge?
  
  Some travel agent gave $45k to Marama’s consulting company which aims to build “environmentally friendly, affordable homes – specifically for Māori”, and owes the money to a parent travel company.
  
  Why is a woman who owns a travel company taking money from another travel company and investing in environmentally friendly homes for Maori? Why isn’t the “journalist” asking how this makes sense?
  
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  September 30, 2019 11:31am
  - sooty
    
    Is or has she paid it back?
    Or has she borrowed Whinestons sign?
    
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    September 30, 2019 12:58pm
rightoverlabour

More climate wisdom from Tony Heller,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrJRmIvHF0k

Those who wish to debate the points he makes, point for point, or question the data he presents, are most welcome to do this. He talks about his background on modelling. I would suspect he is a “Real Scientest”
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September 30, 2019 9:50am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  His CV and work experience is here…
  https://realclimatescience.com/2019/04/who-is-tony-heller/
  
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  September 30, 2019 11:33am
Maggy Wassilieff

Apocalypse Time Line
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/09/29/the-climate-doom-timeline/
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September 30, 2019 9:57am
- stephieboy
  
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  MW, with nothing to back his alledged doom projections up.
  
  Oil gone 10 years 1966
  
  For example, Oil Productions doom forecasts 1966 coinciding with big North Sea Oil and Gas discoveries ,
  
  “…The Viking Gas Field was discovered in December 1965 with the Conoco/National Coal Board well 49/17-1, finding the gas-bearing Permian Rotliegend Sandstone at a depth of 2,756 m subsea.[5] Helicopters were first used to transport workers.[6] Larger gas finds followed in 1966—Leman Bank, Indefatigable and Hewett, but by 1968 companies had lost interest in further exploration of the British sector, a result of a ban on gas exports and low prices offered by the only buyer, British Gas.[4] West Sole came onstream in May 1967.[4] Licensing regulations for Dutch waters were not finalised until 1967…. etc, etc ”
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Sea_oil
  
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  September 30, 2019 10:19am
  - rangitoto
    
    You must be incredibly short for that post from Maggy to go so far over your head.
    
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    September 30, 2019 10:45am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Fortunately I have experience working with folks who have difficulty processing text for meaning, so I’ve provided some context below.
      
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      September 30, 2019 11:01am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    OK steph, that’s North Sea oil.
    Are you now going to justify the stupidity of each of the other predictions?
    
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    September 30, 2019 10:54am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    MW, with nothing to back his alledged doom projections up.
    
    Forgive me KBers, but I feel I must respond….
    
    Stephieboy don’t you realise that these are not Anthony Watts’ predictions?
    
    He is providing a list of predictions made by
    “experts” that failed to materialise.
    
    This is the guff the MSM has been publishing for decades.
    
    Here’s one example that illustrates the 1966 prediction: oil gone in 10 years
    https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2014/12/weve-been-incorrectly-predicting-peak-oil-for-over-a-century/
    
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    September 30, 2019 10:59am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      I heard them all in their time too so can vouch for the authenticity of that list.
      I’m still waiting being frozen before now–1972 was not a good year for prediction.
      
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      September 30, 2019 11:57am
    - stephieboy
      
      MW, oil doom predictions have been going back since 1909 and even from the oil producers themselves From your link,
      
      1909: 25 or 30 years longer
      
      “Petroleum has been used for less than 50 years, and it is estimated that the supply will last about 25 or 30 years longer. If production is curtailed and waste stopped it may last till the end of the century. The most important effects of its disappearance will be in the lack of illuminants. Animal and vegetable oils will not begin to supply its place. This being the case, the reckless exploitation of oil fields and the consumption of oil for fuel should be checked.”
      
      — July 19, 1909 Titusville Herald (Titusville, PA)
      
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      September 30, 2019 3:00pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        You don’t keep up with advances in current physics do you?
        Expect we will have individual home power plants (no grid) within 20 years. Cars will have their own power plants too. Oil will be left as a lubricant.
        
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        September 30, 2019 3:47pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  More wisdom from Dr Willie Soon
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JJ3yeiNjf4
  
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  September 30, 2019 10:42am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  The trouble with the model-based predictions is that the models cannot foresee advances to oil extraction technologies.
  Therefore, the predictive models themselves are flawed.
  It is reckless for governments to base policy on flawed models. (Unless the models are supplying the kinds of “answers” that are in the interests of the government.)
  
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  September 30, 2019 11:09am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    It is reckless for governments to base policy on flawed models. ~~(Unless the models are supplying the kinds of “answers” that are in the interests of the government.)~~
    
    Reckless is as reckless does. (F.G.)
    
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    September 30, 2019 12:00pm
John Warren

So… councils across the country discover widespread dissatisfaction at their inability to provide basic services. But instead of upping their basic services game, they employ vast new armies of PR people to tell us that they’re upping their basic services game.

Is this more or less what’s happening? Or do I need to employ a PR consultant to frame it better?
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September 30, 2019 10:38am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  I always amuses me that councils (who have monopolistic control over so many basic services) waste money on surveys designed to find out “levels of satisfaction” with these monopoly services.
  As if the end user had a choice.
  
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  September 30, 2019 11:11am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I’d convene an inquiry and hire a QC (female preferably) to chair it.
  
  I’d also organise a working group of disaffected PR consultants who can have a conversation with each other before reporting back to the inquiry.
  
  I’d also organise 4-5 star motel accommodation for the partners of the disaffected PR folk in a nice location – so they can relax before providing the loving support their stressed partners will require before, during and after attending the working group.
  
  I’d also start on the restart of the inquiry as it is bound to go tits-up.
  
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  September 30, 2019 11:12am
Fletch

If you have a VPN, this Democrat “town hall” from SNL with Woody Harrelson as Joe Biden, Larry David as Bernie Sanders, etc is good for a laugh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgA0fjztqaQ
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September 30, 2019 10:50am
- ross411
  
  https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7lwgy8
  
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  September 30, 2019 11:39am
JibberJabber

Don`t get between a man and his Quarter Pounder, Climate tards,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=36&v=5ir_St6-0Sg

LoL, one omnivore has 10 times the strength of 20 dirty fuckin` vegan hippies.
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September 30, 2019 11:23am
- ross411
  
  Creepy, look at the feckless way they all try and assault him as he tries to pass. No wonder he got angry.
  
  How would they like it if someone did that to them? One rule for thee, and another for me.
  
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  September 30, 2019 12:15pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Chicken sashimi (the Comments section is a riot).
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6rVZng-AnY
  
  Warning: Don’t try this with New Zealand chicken.
  (Only to be eaten in Japan.)
  
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  September 30, 2019 12:21pm
- Wangas Feral
  
  My mother would have more strength than ten vegan hippies and she has been dead for nearly twenty years.
  
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  September 30, 2019 12:36pm
Hugh Pavletich

… NEW ZEALAND … AUGUST NEW DWELLING CONSENTS …

New dwelling consents were up strongly in Auckland, Wellington and (increasingly affordable) Canterbury in August … Greg Ninness … Interest Co NZ

https://www.interest.co.nz/property/101909/new-dwelling-consents-were-strongly-auckland-wellington-and-canterbury-august

The number of new homes being consented continued to gallop along at a healthy clip in August.

According to Statistics NZ, 3261 new dwellings were consented throughout the country in August, down slightly from 3420 in July but up 6% compared to August last year.

In Auckland 1407 dwellings were consented, up 8.4% on the same month last year, in Wellington 225 new dwellings were consented (+11.4%) and Canterbury shows no sign of slowing down with 511 new dwellings consented, up a whopping 29.7% on August last year (the chart below shows the trends in all regions). … read more via hyperlink above …
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Building consents issued: August 2019 … Statistics New Zealand

https://www.stats.govt.nz/information-releases/building-consents-issued-august-2019
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… By a country mile … housing affordability has long been THE major public policy issue in New Zealand ( further extensive background information … access http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org ) … as the IPSOS Issues Monitors REPEATEDLY remind us every 3 months or so…

The IPSOS New Zealand Issues Monitor – July 2019

https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/ct/news/documents/2019-08/6th_ipsos_new_zealand_issues_monitor_released_1_aug_19.pdf
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September 30, 2019 12:49pm
- sooty
  
  Link whoring!
  
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  September 30, 2019 3:19pm
mandk

There is a mixed relay at the World Athletics Championship.

Isn’t that better suited to a Church Fete?
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September 30, 2019 1:08pm
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  Finally, an event Caster Semenya can legitimately compete in!
  
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  September 30, 2019 2:39pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Both sides…..
    
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    September 30, 2019 6:51pm
Komata

r0ss411@1215

But, but, because of their moral OUTRAGE, they are ‘Better’ / ‘Stronger’ than him…

In their eyes, they have the RIGHT, he doesn’t.
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September 30, 2019 1:08pm
Nickc2

UN announces Climate Change change doctrine under the guise of redistribution of wealth. Take a look:
https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2019/09/un-comes-clean-on-plans-to-redistribute-wealth-under-guise-of-climate-change.html

Pretty scary huh?
Be aware, they walk among us!
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September 30, 2019 1:20pm
- Michael
  
  Nick2
  Agenda 21 ……
  
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  September 30, 2019 2:05pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Yes Michael, Winston signed us up for it and was not going to tell us about it remember. He also stated that it was unbinding. That was BS, as Frau Merkel stated that by signing the Agenda, a country agreed to abide by it. Winston treated us like mushrooms!
    
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    September 30, 2019 2:14pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Michael, Agenda 21 ???
    
    Nothing so juicy as a good conspiracy theory!
    
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    September 30, 2019 3:02pm
MCos

An interesting dock about child marriages in the USA. Some states have no aged limit. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/w3cszbwx
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September 30, 2019 1:21pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  I seem to recall a move in New Hampshire a few years ago foundered becasue some legislators were concerned that a minimum age for marriage might stop girls marrying their rapists to ‘legitimize’ their babies.
  
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  September 30, 2019 1:44pm
  - Inandout
    
    m&m, sounds very much like Rochester where the girls were left for 10 years by the police before they acted.
    
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    September 30, 2019 3:21pm
  - MCos
    
    The age in NH was raised to 16 earlier this year after a two year campaign. Objections included a need for pregnant women or servicemen going overseas to marry before they left. A thirteen year old child was married a few years ago.
    https://www.wmur.com/article/minimum-marriage-age-raised-in-new-hampshire/25720573
    
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    September 30, 2019 7:26pm
Tony Stuart

More “good news” in the Year of Delivery:

Investment intentions and profit expectations of firms have fallen “to dismal levels”, accord to ANZ in its latest Business Outlook survey.

The September ANZ Business Outlook Survey saw headline confidence fall
2 points, with a net 54 per cent of respondents reporting that they expect general
business conditions to deteriorate in the year ahead – the lowest since April 2008.

Firms’ expectations for their own activity over the year ahead fell 1 point,
the fourth fall in a row, and the lowest read since April 2009.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12272223

Business confidence is now at its lowest level since Helen Clark was Prime Minister. The Government can no longer blame “global headwinds”, as our exports are doing very well at the moment. At some point in time Grant Robertson and Jacinda Ardern need to accept that THEIR policies are NOT delivering.
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September 30, 2019 2:07pm
- OTGO
  
  Definitely a downward spiral happening. The NZD is now down to .6266 meaning fuel and other imports will increase meaning costs go up and come next month business confidence will be down again.
  The 2020 election can’t come fast enough.
  
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  September 30, 2019 2:31pm
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Sadly, I’ve just seen the news that my former place of work, Mars Petcare is closing down. 150 Whanganui jobs are going down the drain, not to mention the work done by companies who contract to Mars:
    
    Mars Petcare is planning to close its Whanganui factory at the end of 2020, affecting 152 staff.
    
    Mars announced today that it intends to move production of cat food pouches to a facility in Thailand.
    
    The American-owned family company has been operating in Whanganui for 26 years after buying the former Lucky Petfood business in Castlecliff. It held a series of celebrations in May last year for its 25th anniversary. Some staff have been with the company since the Lucky Petfood days.
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/wanganui-chronicle/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503426&objectid=12272306
    
    I got a job at Mars in 2002, after being made redundant by another employer. It wasn’t the job I would have chosen, I hated working rotating shifts (especially weekends and nights), and when I started as a casual, the money was crap. When I left four years later I was in a leadership position, still doing shifts, and earning reasonable coin.
    
    The work was hard, but you could go home at the end of a shift knowing you’d worked as part of a team. Many of the people I worked with are still there, and it’s them I’m feeling for this evening.
    
    The loss of 150 jobs will hurt Whanganui, which has just been starting to prosper in the last couple of years. Sadly, I think this closure will be one of many around the country over the next couple of years unless the Government makes it easier for firms to do business here.
    
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    September 30, 2019 5:00pm
- DigNap15
  
  Sadly, this is great news. Nine more months of this falling confidence should tip us into recession with no overseas excuse!
  Its the economy stupid.
  Ardern and the Greens do not like business and farmers.
  
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  September 30, 2019 2:49pm
  - kevn
    
    @Dig… You can add ‘female labour party members’.
    
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    September 30, 2019 3:28pm
- Poppa
  
  Yeah agree Tony but the thing is, they will never accept that. Deep down Robertson would know but Cindy has no idea.
  
  I expect him to trot out the old line “global headwinds”
  
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  September 30, 2019 3:21pm
rightoverlabour

Wreck1080 asked me yesterday “what my thoughts on the Moon landing were” .So I did some thinking. The moon landings were an amazing success because the engineers developed highly sophisticated models that were used to predict whether the landings could occur. And the models were accurate and the landings went generally flawlessly. These same engineers have recently said the Climate models that the climate fraud is based on, are a crock of shit. https://www.therightclimatestuff.com/
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September 30, 2019 2:42pm
- chaos
  
  It really is a shame it has taken so long to get back to the moon, and to get to mars. The space shuttle, while an amazing step in our space voyages also delayed any real manned space exploration
  
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  September 30, 2019 3:37pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    They’re gonna get a surprise when they get there. Mars already has people – dropkicks removed from Earth. Those dark lines you see on the planet are actually the motorway system (most is underground)
    Hopefully they can set up a shuttle system so more dropkick fuckwits can go there
    
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    September 30, 2019 4:28pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    With the Health and Safety Nazis running the show, they lucky to get a cab from the hotel to the launch pad. No one is going to sign off a mission where there is fairly good chance they won’t get back, which is what they did in 1969. Armstrong got down with about 30 seconds of fuel. If he ballsed up the landing, and damaged the lander, they would never have got home. There were not many redudency measures if things didn’t work properly, as was seen in Apollo 13.
    
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    September 30, 2019 8:43pm
Jack5

Population growth – or fall can give a different picture of a country’s economic performance, Michael Reddell points out in another fine post at Croaking Cassandra.

Take population change into consideration and you find hitherto-unrecognised mild recessions in Australia – and more severe recessions in New Zealand.

https://croakingcassandra.com/2019/09/30/how-unusual-is-australia-record-without-recessions/
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September 30, 2019 2:56pm
gorse

Just posted my voting form for the local body elections. I did not vote for any of the candidates for ECAN, as I didn’t think any if them were fit to hold office. A first for me.
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September 30, 2019 3:40pm
david

This ad popped up on my Kiwiblog feed:

https://pubpress.net/houseads/2017/11/22/hiring/house/en/300x250_mrec_hiring.png

Yeeeeeeeeech!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Is it one of Stephie’s enterprises?
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September 30, 2019 4:20pm
- cmm
  
  It says “apply”. It must be an ad for some hemorrhoid ointment, but it doesn’t say what brand.
  
  Not a very good ad is it?
  
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  September 30, 2019 4:59pm
chaos

You are dreaming Jacinda if you think anyone in NZ first care what you say

*On Monday, Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said she had spoken to Jones – a list MP for New Zealand First based in Kerikeri – about the comments he made.

“Minister Jones is about to take a short break over the [two-week Parliament] recess and we’ve agreed that he’ll take the Cabinet manual with him,” Ardern said at her post-Cabinet press conference.

The Cabinet manual states that ministers are responsible for ensuring that no conflict exists or appears to exist between their personal interests and their public duty.

“It’s an acknowledgement that his language should be much tighter, particularly when it could be misconstrued that he could be speaking as a minister,” the Prime Minister said. *

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/09/his-language-should-be-tighter-shane-jones-gets-telling-off-from-prime-minister-jacinda-ardern.html
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September 30, 2019 5:35pm
- chaos
  
  And jones ignores Ardern
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/116215895/shane-jones-issues-warning-to-forestry-companies–political-utu-is-a-dish-best-served-cold
  
  * Shane Jones has a stern word of warning for foreign-owned forestry companies looking to undermine him: “Political utu is a dish best served cold”.
  
  He said the people who tried to undermine him would learn this lesson closer to the next election. *
  
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  September 30, 2019 6:14pm
  - Chuck
    
    This is worse than the original offense by Jones! Now he is publicly saying he will seek to harm the people/companies he thinks leaked his $ for vote speech. Ardern has no choice but to sack him…however we all know this won’t happen.
    
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    September 30, 2019 8:07pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Let’s hope that this results in a very interesting discussion between Cindy and Winnie.
      
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      September 30, 2019 8:43pm
      - chaos
        
        Cindy “Winston you need to talk to Jones”
        
        Winnie “no I dont and if you want to remain prime minister then leave my people alone”
        
        Cindy “sorry sir, I promise to not step out of line again”
        
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        September 30, 2019 8:54pm
- cmm
  
  Cabinet manual?
  
  Unless there are titties on page 3 Shayne won’t be reading it.
  
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  September 30, 2019 7:13pm
  - chaos
    
    cabaret Manual perhaps?
    
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    September 30, 2019 7:26pm
tranquil

Hi all –

Funny story for you –
“A Russian navy boat was attacked and sunk by a walrus in the Arctic”
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/russian-navy-boat-attacked-and-sunk-by-walruses-in-arctic-2019-9?r=US&IR=T

Ok, it was just a small landing-craft but still….. quite funny…. 🙂
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September 30, 2019 6:16pm
rightoverlabour

I know many of those who dismiss my ramblings here on Climate Alarmism argue that I am not listening to “Real Scientists”. So i have tried to up my game and listen to one of the greatest scientific minds alive today. I suggest everyone with a passing interest watch this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQHhDxRuTkI

It is an interview with Freeman Dyson. I doubt there is a single person alive that has his intellect. Not even “The Greta”.
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September 30, 2019 9:17pm
rightoverlabour

Bugger. Another top physicist that has not drunk the Alarmist cool aid.

Richard Feynman. https://principia-scientific.org/physicist-richard-feynman-discredits-greenhouse-gas-theory/
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September 30, 2019 9:57pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  Actually, I must admit he couldn’t have drunk the alarmist stuff as he died in 1988, but his theories do suggest that there may be an issue in the way most people understand the Greenhouse Theory.
  “Feynman does not make a single mention of radiation, radiative transfer, greenhouse gases, CO2, nor does he derive any radiative transfer equations to derive the atmospheric temperature profile, and instead utilizes the barometric and statistical mechanics formulas necessary to describe the gravito-thermal greenhouse effect of Maxwell et al .
  
  Feynman demonstrates that the conservative force of gravity does indeed do continuous thermodynamic Work upon the atmosphere … and describes gravitational potential energy (PE) accumulated as air parcels rise/expand/cool, which is then exchanged for kinetic energy (KE) as the air parcel descends/compresses/warms, creating the temperature gradient & greenhouse effect.
  
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  September 30, 2019 10:08pm
Tony Stuart

And another business bites the dust; Maketu Pies goes into receivership:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12272095
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