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Paulus Gnome

Remember you bloated shiney arses of parliment, great revolutions, however they end, begin with the rage of those who are exploited beyond tolerance.

Those remaining, having not left for Australia that is. Just sayin’ like . . .
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September 1, 2019 8:05am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  I see that the moderator who picks the most recent comments for moderation rather than those in an orderly queue, is on this morning . . .
  
  Revolution too much of a trigger word perhaps, or just incompetence in dealing with a work load / schedule?
  
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  September 1, 2019 9:14am
  - Tall Man
    
    “ardern is a ” gets him on the job.
    
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    September 1, 2019 10:09am
    - chaos
      
      Busy person working on her own book to release before the election, all with pop up pictures telling her voters all the places she has travelled instead of working?
      
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      September 1, 2019 12:14pm
      - Tall Man
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRZIII6qvbA
        
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        September 1, 2019 9:26pm
Brian McDonald

Happy father’s day to all the dads, even the grumpy ones.
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September 1, 2019 8:06am
- Andrei
  
  This is Stuff’s take on Father’s Day: “Father’s Day is a reminder of my abusive, alcoholic dad
  
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  September 1, 2019 8:30am
  - kowtow
    
    Interesting article.
    Possibly by a 25 year old recent “journalism’ graduate .
    Could be this is a white upper middle class girl who feels guilty about being born on the right side of the tracks and like the good progessive she is desperately needs to claim some form of victimhood , as race and class are shut to her then misandry is always available. And the Media Party are of course very happy to oblige as this is more of their destructive , divisive agenda on display.
    
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    September 1, 2019 9:41am
  - BrownSnake
    
    Stuff can get Stuffed you would hard pressed
    to find any article about Good Dads or Good men
    any where in this PC Leftie Commo Anti white
    male unfenced lunatic Asylum called Aotearoa NZ or any other country for that matter.
    
    Well I am looking for some New York Real Estate
    for one of my Daughters who I taught to read and
    write at age 3.
    
    At least in America working for some of Americas top companies she just might find someone worth
    adding to the gene pool.
    
    And I will Die a happy Grandad
    
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    September 1, 2019 9:55am
  - Tall Man
    
    A miserable tale from a miserable excuse of a “news” site.
    
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    September 1, 2019 10:11am
  - Rich Prick
    
    Yeah, yeah we get it, men are evil and every day is a chance to chant it.
    
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    September 1, 2019 10:20am
  - JibberJabber
    
    To be fair Mothers Day reminds me of getting wooden spoons across my arse when I was a little shit.
    Good times LoL
    The 4 Yorkshiremen, the original preMontyP
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKHFZBUTA4k
    
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    September 1, 2019 10:37am
- cmm
  
  Prove it!
  
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  September 1, 2019 10:13am
Straight arrow

Tranquil in GD yesterday pointed out that
“CAIR is proud to partner with the U.S. Census Bureau to ensure American Muslims are fairly and accurately counted in the 2020 Census,” Executive Director Nihad Awad said in a CAIR news release.

Today, courtesy of Fox highlighting that item:
“The Commerce Department on Thursday TERMINATED its just-announced planned partnership with the nation’s largest Muslim advocacy group, the Council on American-Islamic Relations, after Fox News’ “Tucker Carlson Tonight” asked about the arrangement — given CAIR’s reported ties to the terrorist group Hamas, and its repeated attacks on the president.

“Based on further review, the Census Bureau is no longer partnering with CAIR,” the Commerce Department said in a statement to “Tucker.””

A bit of sunlight…
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September 1, 2019 8:06am
- Michael
  
  And heres a good reason to not partner with a Muslim Brotherhood front.
  
  https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2019/08/islam_will_never_let_me_be_free.html
  
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  September 1, 2019 9:34am
Maggy Wassilieff

Goodbye winter, hello spring…
Brilliant-looking morning here in Paradise, tho’ it’s only 5C outside.
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September 1, 2019 8:13am
- James Stephenson
  
  Meh. Spring starts at the equinox – that’s three weeks away yet.
  
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  September 1, 2019 9:58am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Astronomically, Spring starts 6 weeks before the equinox. However, climatically, because of about a 3 month lag, we feel the start of Spring later. One way to calculate it is to look at the beginning of the sea ice melt around Antarctica. On the equinox, the sun is directly over the equator and all places around the world receive the exact same amount of insolation and the days hours are exactly equal for corresponding latitudes. In Auckland today, it definitly feels like Spring!
    
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    September 1, 2019 3:59pm
Humble Capitalist

The first of Spring and another day closer to Ardern’s concession speech/resignation speech.
Happy Father’s Day!
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September 1, 2019 8:20am
- Liberty
  
  If our odious Government believes it has survived a winter of discontent they are so deluded. Their troubles are only just stating.
  
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  September 1, 2019 9:46am
  - namron
    
    Liberty,
    frequently when reading the General Debate comments, I wish we could all put up a UNITED front, in our expression of strong rejection of the CoL’s shallow and idiotic socialistic plans.
    The fact that the 7+billion of us on Earth all have
    different influences, backgrounds, experiences etc etc, there are no two people of us [never have been and there never can be with exactly identical backgrounds, beliefs, opinions and concerns.]
    There has to be some compromising by all of us for any majority opposing position to be reached. This must mean compromising of some of our own personal beliefs, for the overall common good.
    Compromise is required by us ALL to provide a force to highlight some BASIC beliefs.
    Compromise would be needed to agree to which ones can be considered the truly significant beliefs which we could all consider of major concern to unify behind.
    When I read GD daily, I perceive that some sensible compromises must be made by us all, so a formidable and forceful UNITED opposition to all the daily CoL garbage we are fed through news media, TV and online which does not receive the derision and opposition it deserves.
    I perceive you guys have the potential to be a strong, effective, and UNITED opposition to this Govt and together, we could make an enjoyable but fruitful boost to their demise.
    
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    September 1, 2019 5:56pm
- freethinker
  
  And another day closer to winstons funeral.
  
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  September 1, 2019 10:08am
- Rob2
  
  Here is a speech written for her. Have a read. well worth the time.
  https://www.magic.co.nz/home/news/2019/08/david-seymour–the-speech-jacinda-ardern-should-have-given-on-ih.html?fbclid=IwAR3THKyY-JJ6XKuIVWVRKXGRbgwrEsfPP78-1WOhGPR2FbqUJCsKcG-odFg
  
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  September 1, 2019 11:08am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Rabbits
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September 1, 2019 8:23am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Squirrels!!
  or was this not a political comment on the ineffectual and incompetent CoL with regard to pest control?
  
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  September 1, 2019 8:27am
- Inandout
  
  Myxomatosis Steve.
  
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  September 1, 2019 8:29am
- Colville
  
  Need to borrow the 223?
  it’s suppressed so the neighbours won’t freak out.
  
  The back quarters (leg and thigh) simmered in a pan for a few minutes then dried off lightly floured then browned. Casserole with bacon and mushrooms.
  
  My neighbour has an infestation of quail… I have been trying to get them to come to dinner 🙂
  
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  September 1, 2019 8:31am
Happychappy

Phil Goff might regret his stopping of two speakers right to use a Council venue to speak , with a two day hearing that is set to get underway in the High Court in Auckland on Monday.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/115426589/auckland-council-mayor-phil-goff-taken-to-court-for-barring-rightwing-canadian-speakers
A spokesman for the group Cumin said ” this action is to ensure that Politicans and officials aren’t allowed to discriminate against views they dislike when it comes to rate payers venues regardless of how broadly ‘unacceptable ‘their views might be.”
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September 1, 2019 8:30am
- sooty
  
  The only thing is that the ratepayers will be paying for that Phool Goof, because have you ever heard of a Labour party member paying for something them selves!
  
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  September 1, 2019 9:34am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    The cost represents 10 mm of the underground train set, so good value imo
    
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    September 1, 2019 11:31am
  - namron
    
    You spelt Phil wrongly.
    It’s not “Phool, it’s “FOOL”
    
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    September 1, 2019 6:01pm
chaos

*Measles outbreak: ‘Some children are likely to die’

In an open letter to New Zealanders, Starship Children’s Hospital head Dr Mike Shepherd pleads with every Kiwi to help save lives amid the measles epidemic.*

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12263724
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September 1, 2019 8:31am
- Ruahine
  
  This measles outbreak is an indication of child neglect within much of parts of the community. It is neglect allied with a certain ignorance and a no nothing attitude when science is involved.
  
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  September 1, 2019 9:44am
  - kris
    
    According to a friend of mine (who works at an Auckland hospital), idiocy/ignorance is also a big factor.
    
    I am told that today, a woman brought in a infant (younger than 12 months, ie not old enough to have had the first MMR vaccine) to visit a relative in the hospital (twice!), despite being told by staff that they should not be at the hospital due to the measles risk.
    And this is not an isolated occurance – other parents have been doing the same…
    
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    September 1, 2019 3:31pm
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  And yet nowhere is the idiotic anti-vaxxer brigade called out for their malignantly lethal stupidities.
  
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  September 1, 2019 10:56am
  - chaos
    
    Maybe that is why the health minister is missing, he doesn’t believe in having the jab
    
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    September 1, 2019 12:15pm
Maggy Wassilieff

White-washing white women
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/30/white-women-were-colonisers-too-to-move-forward-we-have-to-stop-letting-them-off-the-hook
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September 1, 2019 8:36am
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  Maggy
  On behalf of my miscellaneous lily-white ancestors, I would like to take this opportunity to hereby apologise for delivering civilisation to my otherwise grass-skirt wearing and wheel-less friends. Sorry about that…
  
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  September 1, 2019 9:18am
  - MCos
    
    You’re not suggesting that your ‘lily-white’ ancestors invented the wheel are you?
    
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    September 1, 2019 11:06am
  - IC5000
    
    > I would like to take this opportunity to hereby apologise for delivering civilisation to my otherwise grass-skirt wearing and wheel-less friends.
    
    That’s nice. The Tasmanian aborigines would like to extend their gratitude for your civilisation as well.
    
    https://www.nationalgeographic.com.au/australia/the-last-indigenous-tasmanian.aspx
    
    Fake history I guess.
    
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    September 1, 2019 3:22pm
    - ISeeRed
      
      Chatham Island Moroiri (waving): Yoo-hoo! Over here!
      
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      September 2, 2019 10:19pm
- Michael
  
  I just love this wokeness.
  It’s all about shaming and control.
  It is an attack.
  This is culture war.
  
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  September 1, 2019 9:18am
  - fernglas
    
    Whether it was right or wrong is irrelevant. It has happened; deal with it.
    
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    September 1, 2019 9:56am
  - tf78
    
    It’s a war of the uncultured against the cultured. See the word CULTure – that will give you a hint.
    
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    September 1, 2019 10:46am
- Straight arrow
  
  Is author (Muslim woman) into equality in the sense that men and women should all have blame, or perpetuating the victim hierarchy as she is higher up herself so is free to blame everybody below her?
  
  Her main argument re Christine Blasey Ford’s accusation against Brett Kavanaugh, is that instead of facts and innocent until proved guilty, we should have a public poll of people who have not heard all the evidence, who vote on internal prejudices. The Quinnipiac poll where she got figures from actually confirms my point, rather than hers.
  
  White women who cared about black children (“stolen generations”) were doing it to enhance their (white women’s) position in society. ???
  
  Her writings are an attack on, as she puts it ” the violence of white civilisation” (code for Judeo-Christian)…to be replaced by what?
  
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  September 1, 2019 9:24am
- KevO'Brien
  
  My family and connections had “white” women in NZ from 1852. The more I research family history the more I appreciate our pioneer women. For many severe hardship, by our standards, was the norm. They persevered.
  
  One notable gt. grandmother had 3 sisters and between those 4 ladies they gave birth to 55 children. Those children appear to all have survived and helped provide marriage partners in early Timaru.
  I have many stories of extraordinary women. One had 5 children while her husband maintained the water races used at Gabriels Gully. Another shows a mother with her 10th children in inland Mangaweka,where they cut down forest to make a farm. She had been widowed with 8 children, had set up a boarding house for miners at inland Picton, been flooded out, re-married and re-started life again inland North Island. Women with that fortitude deserve all our respect. They did what they had to for their families survive in their time.
  We cannot re-make the past only celebrate our inheritance.
  I have been married now to the two women in my life for over 59 years and regret none of it.Thanks for their pasts.
  
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  September 1, 2019 12:32pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    That would make interesting NZ history for our school children.
    
    I don’t s’pose many school children read Elsie Locke’s
    “The Runaway Settlers” these days.
    http://www.elsielocketrust.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Runaway-Settlers.pdf
    
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    September 1, 2019 1:32pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      I’m working on my bio of an unfinished lifetime (80 years) at present. As a latent social historian, among every other thing, I am wondering now about getting all the family material together. I am also going to release my unpublished research (50 years ago) showing how investment grade shares are valued rationally and price being a function of value and liquidity. The principals revealed seem universal.
      
      The share research is available in PDF. Anyone who would like a copy, just ask. email kob@slingshot.co.nz Free
      
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      September 1, 2019 2:04pm
Yvette

• “New Zealand mourns with you. We are one,” she said in a short speech, followed by two minutes of silence.
• Christchurch terror attack: ‘We are here‘ – Ardern speaks to Muslim community

For some time, in New Zealand media, local Muslims seem disconcerted regarding their participation in the Royal Commission.
Now, internationally, Muslims in New Zealand Say They Have Been Sidelined in Christchurch Inquiry [1]

Just how exactly was the Muslim community briefed on the purpose of the Commission and their participation in it? And why is New Zealand being trashed internationally?
Does the fact that the New York Times is now the platform for such criticism, indicate Jacinda Ardern and her Winston-selected Government need to devote a little more time to this issue.
Perhaps just communicate the purpose of the Commission a little better?

Or does the Muslim community think Jacinda is more interested in the United Nations than her claims that New Zealand here is a nation united? But we are not really “one”.

As a Commenter to the NY Times article, Ayla (NZ), remarks –
NZ Muslims rightly feel that they are central to this inquiry, however it is about what lead to the event – not what happened during or after. Their grievance about the NZ security services looking at members of their community too suspiciously and the white supremacists not seriously enough (in spite of their generalised warnings) is of course entirely valid.

This is about government organisations, security procedures, information sharing, terrorism studies, gun control etc – the technical and political stuff which is not my field nor that of many of the Muslim representative group I am assuming.

Without appropriate action, “We are one” and “We are here” are just bloody bumper stickers.

Harsh? Maybe, but read some of the other bumper sticker slogans –

• ‘Let’s Do This‘ – Jacinda Ardern reveals Labour’s new slogan
• “Me Too must become We Too” – Jacinda Ardern’s address, United Nations General Assembly
• “New Zealand mourns with you. We are one,” she said in a short speech, followed by two minutes of silence. [as above]
• Christchurch terror attack: ‘We are here‘ – Ardern speaks to Muslim community
• “On issues like Ihumātao, the difficult issues, the hard issues, we will be there, we are there in those conversations,” Ardern said.
• “I will be there and we can have this conversation, that would be great. So let’s be practical and start politics bootcamp.” – Ardern promises to help workshop aspiring Muslim leaders in politics.

The slogans start to sort of stick out after a while …

[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/28/world/asia/christchurch-mosque-shootings-inquiry.html
Charlotte Graham-McLay is a journalist who lives in Wellington and often covers New Zealand for the New York Times

Oh. and Happy Father’s Day. Nice Spring weather
… if you got out of bed on a side that hasn’t got a wall against it …
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September 1, 2019 8:46am
- sooty
  
  Bumper sticker Cindy!
  That’s her to a Tee!
  
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  September 1, 2019 9:37am
- Straight arrow
  
  One: Read the terms of reference for this royal commission.
  http://www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/2019/0072/12.0/whole.html
  
  Two: Once set up, commission is independent of government.
  Three: Muslims are NOT central to enquiry. The State sector agencies are. Commission expected to talk to community but only put in as would be seen as insensitive if not. Not a term of reference, but a side note.
  Four: This story was run in NZ a while ago. Obviously got no traction, so went to overseas media.
  Five: Commission is NOT there as part of justice system, grieving process, or cover-up. Read what commissions are about in general.
  Six: The commission is about suggesting policies and solutions that protect all of us, from whatever threat, not just Eco-fascists.
  Seven: I am not an apologist for Government, and points you make about Ardern in general, I agree with.
  Eight: If there were genuine concerns then I am sure some political party or MP would have been raising them. Somebody in the story wants a job at UN I suspect and trying to raise profile, especially internationally (in my opinion).
  
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  September 1, 2019 9:57am
- Rich Prick
  
  Christ, by those speeches Cindy is/will be everywhere. No wonder the fuel bill and the CO2 tally are whoppers. The vacuous airhead should try a new theme, simply being everywhere is a bit shallow.
  
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  September 1, 2019 10:31am
- Jack5
  
  I see that Charlotte Graham-McLay is a presenter for Radio New Zealand, as well as writing for the New York Times, the Guardian, the BBC etc.
  
  Graham-McLay has a master’s degree in journalism from Massey University, and the Radio NZ site says of her:
  
  She has taught journalism and public relations, and worked in the youth and social enterprise sectors. Charlotte has an ATCL in speech and drama, and sometimes teaches ballet.
  
  On the Christchurch Library site in a an article about a book festival, this is a quote from Graham McLay:
  
  Before I ever started reporting or writing anything, I thought I was going to be a professional dancer. My skills aren’t what they used to be, but I can still land a double pirouette!
  
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  September 1, 2019 3:34pm
  - Jack5
    
    For anyone-else who doesn’t know what a double pirouette is:
    
    https://youtu.be/LLTM_KP0Dsg
    
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    September 1, 2019 3:44pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Overseas journalists and environmentalists can read the Christchurch shooter’s manifesto.
I can’t (at the moment).

From what I have been reading in overseas articles, there is a lot of “Deep Ecology” in Tarrant’s manifesto.

I suspect the Greens would be shocked to discover how much of Tarrant’s thinking seems to be driven by Environmental concern for our Planet.

https://quillette.com/2019/08/15/the-bigotry-of-environmental-pessimism/
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September 1, 2019 8:54am
- Jules99
  
  He described himself as an eco fascist, Greta is an eco warrior. Apparently that’s completely different.
  
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  September 1, 2019 9:01am
  - stephieboy
    
    Brenton Tarrance is just an ordinary far-right extremist in the tradition of Anders Brevik and others!
    
    In other words.
    
    Eco-fascism: The ideology of marrying environmentalism and white supremacy thriving online
    The online movement has roots in neo-Nazism – and a violent edge worth taking seriously
    
    https://www.newstatesman.com/science-tech/social-media/2018/09/eco-fascism-ideology-marrying-environmentalism-and-white-supremacy
    
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    September 1, 2019 11:16am
    - Jack5
      
      Brenton Harrison Tarrant, not “Tarrance,” is the person who will stand trial for committing the mosques massacre.
      
      Given the poor punctuation skills of today’s duty Stephie, the conclusion is: you can take the troll out of Stephiestan, but you can’t take Stephiestan out of the troll. ?
      
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      September 1, 2019 3:40pm
- Michael
  
  I read it and he’s not a white supremist, christian or even all quite there.
  He alludes strongly to being an eco greenie action man.
  The main thrust was what the invader culture of Islam was doing to people and their culture in Europe and their threat to the world.
  
  I did think that a couple of places it was cut and paste which could mean that more than one person had a hand in it.
  
  The only reason I could see to ban it was for those who can’t discern or are dumb and might take bits out of it to justify their own views.
  That’s nonsensical as they get access to stuff they can do that to anyway.
  
  Mainly it was (my take) to protect the Muslim community and encouragement of actions against them for what their ummah do elsewhere in the world.
  
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  September 1, 2019 9:17am
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    [Deleted by Mod: no promotion of that ideological conspiracy]
    
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    September 1, 2019 9:47am
    - The Proper Ghandi
      
      Mods, respectfully:
      I was not promoting any ‘ideological conspiracy’. I was, however, describing a conspiracy of ideologues – pointing out an objectively verifiable state of affairs, then inferring how and why that state of affairs came to be the case.
      
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      September 1, 2019 11:04am
  - All_on_Red
    
    He was worried about too many people in the world and the effect that was having on the Planet.
    He chose Muslims to attack because he knew that would get a lot of attention and because they are a group which tends to have large families (according to him anyway).
    
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    September 1, 2019 9:55am
    - fernglas
      
      It’s an aspect of diversity that is often missed by commentators; there isn’t a clear division between right and left any more. As a country has multiple cultures and identities, so it has multiple political aspects. Trying to define people as right or left is about as sensible as labelling them black or white. You have to protect yourself against the individual, not the stereotype. That’s not easy.
      
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      September 1, 2019 10:02am
  - Straight arrow
    
    The objectionable material was about threatening specific people, including babies, with death. (Less to do with his views in general). I agree that those passages should be restricted – they are vile and dehumanising, and not in a “PC” use of “dehumanising”. You are legally able to look at those passages on the Classification Office’s website, ironically.
    
    Due to legislation, you cannot exhibit only part of publication (ie with objectionable bits removed).
    That is a shame in this case, as a redacted version would show what a deluded person he is, and perhaps help with grieving process for both victim communities (of which Muslims are just one) and nation.
    
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    September 1, 2019 10:18am
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  Maggy
  And that is why the manifesto has been banned: its content directly conflicts with the official narrative as to Tarrant’s motivations and ideology. Depending on how one reads it, all sorts of divergent political stances could be ascribed to Tarrant. Best to just isolate anything suggesting ‘right wing extremism’ (i.e. what use to be called common sense) and leave it at that.
  
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  September 1, 2019 9:26am
  - stephieboy
    
    As mentioned above Tarrance’s motivations are base on a violent Neo-Nazi white supremacist ideology and outlook.
    
    Pure and simple!!
    
    Allusions to environmentalism are merely cosmetic and fanciful.
    
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    September 1, 2019 11:22am
    - theoldbloke
      
      Guess you haven’t read the manifesto then??!!!
      
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      September 1, 2019 10:33pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        and clearly hadn’t read or understood the article I referenced on ecological pessimism which contains a number of quotes from Tarrant’s ramblings.
        
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        September 2, 2019 8:46am
  - Straight arrow
    
    Chief Censor:
    “This document was banned because it promotes and encourages acts of terrorism in a way that is likely to be persuasive to its intended audience. It contains some instructional information that could assist in the perpetration of further terrorist acts, and provides justifications for mass murder and the killing of children. For this document we applied the law in exactly the same way as we have done for other promotional material from known terrorist organisations.”
    
    NOT because of ideology, but promotes acts of terrorism. Read the decision.
    It is actually more “left-wing extremism”, so rather destroys your argument.
    
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    September 1, 2019 11:47am
    - The Proper Ghandi
      
      Straight arrow
      The quoted passage is clearly advanced as a pretext, so I disagree entirely that it in any way attenuates my point. The explicit and purported reasons for banning it are less relevant and illuminating than independently assessing the facts of the matter and then reaching one’s own conclusions.
      
      I’ll decide what I will or will not read, or if it ‘promotes and encourages acts of terrorism’. And, to do so, I must necessarily be in a position to have read it. We can infer a great deal more from the fact the manifesto is proscribed, than we can from accepting any justifying reasons given for that ban (actions speak louder than words etc.)
      
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      September 1, 2019 1:04pm
- Nukuleka
  
  To re-phrase: ‘I suspect New Zealanders would be shocked to discover how much of Tarrant’s thinking seems to be driven by Environmental concern for our Planet.’
  
  This article should be reprinted in our media and Tarrant’s manifesto should be available for all New Zealanders to read so that we can see just how much Tarrant was influenced by extremist Green thinking.
  
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  September 1, 2019 9:27am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    It would in my opinion show Tarrant to be so deluded as to be megalomaniac. He appears to believe he will be a future Nobel Prizewinner.
    
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    September 1, 2019 12:56pm
- Yvette
  
  Maggie, Tarrant’s fuller expression of his views are much harsher and utterly unacceptable but may perhaps be summed up as “Europe is for Europeans”.
  
  The Dalai Lama has sparked anger after declaring that “Europe belongs to the Europeans”.
  
  The Tibetan Buddhist spiritual leader also said that refugees should return to their native countries and assist with developing them.
  
  The 14th Dalai Lama was speaking at a conference in Malmo, Sweden which is home to a large immigrant population, according to the Business Times.
  
  “Receive them, help them, educate them … but ultimately they should develop their own country,” the 83-year-old said, when speaking about refugees.
  
  The Dalai Lama also said that Europe was “morally responsible” for helping “a refugee really facing danger against their life”.
  
  Social media users condemned the comments, calling the Dalai Lama a “bigot of the first order” and a “hypocrite”.
  
  The Dalai Lama is a refugee himself. He led thousands of his followers from Tibet to India in 1959 after the Tibetans protested against Chinese limits on their autonomy. [1]
  
  Many, predictably, have told the Dalai Lama that he should “go home” too. His reply is that he would dearly love to.
  
  [1] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/dalai-lama-europe-refugee-crisis-immigration-eu-racism-tibet-buddhist-a8537221.html
  
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  September 1, 2019 9:39am
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  I read the nasty evil diatribe in full when it was published in the UK papers when I was overseas after the atrocity. Of course it’s banned in New Zealand, because so much of what the evil sod wanted to happen is being either implemented or facilitated by Jacinda and her crew; so much of his ranting is ecological based which would disturb the watermelons; and the political system he admired above all else is the government’s bestie, the Chinese Empire. We are being lied to like a urine-soaked carpet that claims the dog went nowhere near it.
  
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  September 1, 2019 10:44am
- Greg Ettridge
  
  Maggy, I had a little play with Google and Bing, I searched David Tarrant Manifesto.
  On Google Australia, I got 142,000 results.
  On Bing, just 12,600 results.
  Same result safe mode or no safe mode.
  I then moved to France, Jacinda’s best mate.
  I thought surely he has censored it after all the talkfests and posturing.
  I translated to French, which only requires an “E” instead of an “O” on Manifesto.
  Google came up at 935,000 results
  Bing an incredible 5.3 Million results
  So I guess one can deduct from this, the rest of the world don’t see this manifesto as a threat, not even to children on Safe Mode.
  
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  September 1, 2019 11:12am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    It’s hard to access some material from overseas sources with geoblockers denying download privileges. There are browser like Epic and others which allow the freedom sought.
    
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    September 1, 2019 1:01pm
  - Greg Ettridge
    
    Old age is setting in I searched David not Brenton above, must have had David Farrar on my mind.
    So real figures are for Tarrant Manifesto/Manifeste.
    Bing australia 36,600 results in all modes of search.
    Google australia 289,000 and 281,000 in safe mode
    Google France 353,000 in all modes.
    Bing France 11,400, 11,500 in safe mode
    If I set my vpn on NZ and go into bing nz, I can get
    an impressive 352,000 results with Tarrant manifeste, french spelling.
    add “brenton” I get just 84,000.
    What this all means is, anyone can access this manifesto even though it is illegal, just changing the manifesto to french manifeste produces another 270,000 results.
    It is extremely hard to ban something on the net,
    you would have to cover every language, it amazes me even in New Zealand it is all available in safe mode.
    The French certainly haven’t banned it.
    Impossible to make Brenton Tarrant disappear.
    
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    September 1, 2019 3:40pm
- chaos
  
  Maybe we need freedom cruises. Cruising outside of New Zealand territory, departing daily, so you can view all that labour have banned from the public. Please, before debarking be sure to visit the fish shop where we can provide you with a freshly caught fish to show those pesky red shirts that you were just fishing
  
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  September 1, 2019 12:19pm
rightoverlabour

Tarrant’s manifesto is banned. So if I go overseas and read it, am I going to the naughty corner when I get home? Let’s pretend I have gone overseas using technology. Do I still have to go to the naughty corner? What if I read it as an Italian citizen, but in New Zealand? What if I read a translation of the Manifesto? or read it backwards or only read every second line or skip a few words or ….. So many questions.
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September 1, 2019 9:08am
- srylands
  
  If you travel to another country and read it, that is lawful.
  
  If you are in New Zealand and access an overseas website and read it that is unlawful.
  
  If you are a visitor to New Zealand and read it here that is unlawful.
  
  If you are in New Zealand and read an Italian translation that is unlawful.
  
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  September 1, 2019 10:20am
  - Sofia
    
    Srylands, if you are a New Zealander and in New Zealand at the time and read a portion of it because it is quoted here, in a New Zealand published item for New Zealanders, and tell other New Zealanders of the source of that item, so they also in New Zealand may read it, is that lawful?
    
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    September 1, 2019 11:06am
  - Greg Ettridge
    
    Can a tourist be convicted if they openly say they have read Manifesto overseas.
    Maybe time for immigration to start asking this question at the borders.
    If its good enough for the goose, its good enough for the gander!
    
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    September 1, 2019 11:53am
- Jules99
  
  I read it before it was banned – can I tell you what was in it?
  
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  September 1, 2019 1:51pm
  - Batman
    
    That counts as sharing if you share quotes etc.
    
    I think…. Don’t take this as legal advice ?
    
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    September 1, 2019 4:23pm
Hugh Pavletich

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
… NEW ZEALAND … UNNECESSARY MORTGAGE SLAVERY …

More Kiwis battling lifelong mortgages | Susan Edmunds | Stuff.co.nz

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/115411470/more-kiwis-battling-lifelong-mortgages

At his current rate of repayments, Paul Cronin will be 76 before he clears the mortgage on his Morrinsville property.

He pays about $325 a week and also has a student loan debt of about $20,000.

The prospect of going into retirement with debt is a worrying one. But he doesn’t see that there are many options. “Can I do anything about it? Not with the social conscience and ethics I live by.” … read more via hyperlink above …
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New Zealand housing is now the most unaffordable in the Anglosphere at 6.5 times gross annual household income …so not surprisingly, the mortgages are grossly excessive too …

2019 15th Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey

http://www.demographia.com/dhi.pdf
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Why has the Central Bank of Ireland generally capped mortgages at 3.5 times gross annual household incomes ? …

Mortgage Measures | Central Bank of Ireland

https://www.centralbank.ie/financial-system/financial-stability/macro-prudential-policy/mortgage-measures
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September 1, 2019 9:10am
- BrownSnake
  
  Ireland as a Nation Starts with this Speech
  and that Battle.
  
  ‘Be not dismayed my soldiers, because my son Donough is avenging our wrongs in Leinster; he will return victorious, and in the glory of his conquests you shall share.
  
  “On your valor rests the hopes of your country today; and what surer grounds can they rest upon? Oppression now attempts to bend you down to servility; will you burst its chains and rise to the independence of Irish freemen? Your cause is one approved by Heaven. You seek not the oppression of others; you fight for your country and sacred altars. It is a cause that claims heavenly protection. In this day’s battle the interposition of that God who can give victory will be singly manifested in your favour.
  
  “Let every heart, then, be the throne of confidence and courage. You know that the Danes are strangers to religion and humanity; they are inflamed with the desire of violating the fairest daughters of this land of beauty, and enriching themselves with the spoils of sacrilege and plunder. The barbarians have impiously fixed, for their struggle, to enslave us, upon the very day on which the Redeemer of the world was crucified. Victory they shall not have! from such brave soldiers as you they can never wrest it; for you fight in defence of honor, liberty and religion – in defence of the sacred temples of the true God, and of your sisters, wives and daughters.
  
  “Such a holy cause must be the cause of God, who will deliver your enemies this day into your hands. Onward, then, for your country and your sacred altars!’.” (From Annals of Innisfallen, Mooney, p436)
  
  After Gaining Freedom from the Norse
  the Same People who funded the Vikings
  organised and Funded the Norman Invasion
  which was Illegal
  
  Every Phase of Irish History is a repeat
  
  The EU is just the same ole BS
  wrapped in a different wrapper
  
  Slavery Oppression
  
  The British will breath a sigh of relief when they
  are finally out
  
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  September 1, 2019 10:38am
  - Ed Snack
    
    The Vikings held Dublin until defeated in battle by the Normans post 1066, though they had lost control of much of the hinterland.
    
    Generally speaking Vikings were more than a match for the locals but they had a weakness unless highly disciplined, against armoured cavalry.
    
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    September 1, 2019 11:37am
    - BrownSnake
      
      Ed Dublin like London
      are slave trading Crap holes
      
      only good thing that happened in that
      crap hole and it needs to happen again
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boudica
      
      Woman enjoyed better rights then than
      now
      
      Celtic Civilisation has been the only
      Civilisation END OF
      
      YOU ARE JUST A PRIMITIVE
      SLAVE TRADING BARBARIAN
      
      You are semi literate
      and my daughters could and would
      Drop you A R S E on the spot mate
      in anything
      
      Physical Intellectual or other wise
      
      The Normans may have had an easy time in Britain Harrowing the North
      
      But they DID NEVER SUBJUGATE
      
      ALL OF IRELAND
      
      NO ONE EVER HAS
      
      AND NO ONE EVER WILL
      
      SO GO AND F YOUR SELF
      
      SUNSHINE
      
      The Normans had the Good Sense
      to Adopt Gaelic Law
      
      They had their own but the had the sense to
      see a better system
      
      SO go live the Corrupt dream that you are
      some Kind of Conquerer or descended from them
      
      YOU ARE NOT
      
      YOU ARE A SEMI LITERATE
      
      EUNOCH SLAVE
      
      Like most of the Sheep lovers of NZ
      
      That backward corrupt south pacific out post
      of the most corrupt semi empire the world
      has ever seen
      
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      September 1, 2019 7:40pm
      - Swifty
        
        You can be a real dick sometimes.
        
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        September 1, 2019 7:48pm
  - stephieboy
    
    What a load of codswallop!. The English may breathe a sigh of relief (with the likely omission of Scotland and Northern Ireland!)
    
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    September 1, 2019 11:40am
    - BrownSnake
      
      I do not even know why I waste my time
      
      TALKING TO COMPLETELY
      IGNORANT ARROGANT ZOMBIES
      
      Most of the people I see in NZ are like
      are like the Walking Dead
      
      Lights on No one home
      and the wind whistling in one ear
      and out the other
      
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      September 1, 2019 3:57pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  Paul Cronin was an unsuccessful candidate for the Labour Party. Voters overwhelmingly went for Lindsay Tisch (who the hell was he?) rather than Cronin.
  
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  September 1, 2019 11:27am
Happychappy

These crashes were condemned by Labour and NZ First when National were the Government, they were called a disaster waiting to happen and callous, so now the boot is on the other foot why are they allowed to happen.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/115444206/man-27-dies-after-police-pursuit-in-whakatane
While I believe the police have chase it is the hypocrisy of this that makes me spew with dam righteous attitude to call out others but still stick with the status quo.
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September 1, 2019 9:11am
- JibberJabber
  
  The Headline,
  
  One dead, another critical after police chase ends in crash
  
  From the article,
  
  The pursuit was abandoned after less than a minute, with the fleeing vehicle’s excessive speed posing too much of a risk.
  
  “While police were not pursuing the vehicle when it crashed, the circumstances surrounding both the pursuit and the crash will be thoroughly investigated and the Independent Police Conduct Authority notified,” said Bay of Plenty road policing manager Insp Brent Crowe.
  
  Maybe if the media could stop lying, that would be nice.
  Even before I read the article I knew the media was bullshitting, reading it only confirmed it.
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/08/one-dead-another-critical-after-police-chase-ends-in-crash.html
  
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  September 1, 2019 10:11am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    At least it’s a positive result for the gene pool.
    
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    September 1, 2019 11:04am
marcw

Climate Catastrophe report: August 2019

Average Monthly Temperature Records from Christchurch Airport Weather Station over the last 10 years.

2019 7°C
2018 8
2017 8
2016 6
2015 7
2014 7
2013 9
2012 9
2011 6
2010 8

10 Year Average: 7.5°C
Rainfall August 2019 = 44.2mm
Rainfall Historical Average = 60mm

It appears that Armageddon has been postponed for another year – just 11 years to go now.
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September 1, 2019 9:21am
- chaos
  
  The planets cooling is worse. Already hearing farmers saying the growing season is shrinking. Noticed that myself with our gardens the past few years.
  
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  September 1, 2019 9:35am
- Brian Marshall
  
  But marcw, you got it all wrong. All the computer projections have impending temperature increases… all of them!!!!
  /sarc.
  
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  September 1, 2019 10:47am
  - chaos
    
    All but the Russian model which seems to be the most accurate to date
    
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    September 1, 2019 12:17pm
    - rightoverlabour
      
      Does anyone have a link to that Russian Model or a publication citing it? I have briefly seen it on a youtube clip, but therer was no reference. ( And to all the pervy types, I am not talking about the hot, blonde, models that pop up in your advertising banners….) – but links to those….
      
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      September 1, 2019 4:10pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Here’s the latest version
        https://www.researchgate.net/publication/312472371_Simulation_of_the_present-day_climate_with_the_climate_model_INMCM5
        
        A lot of the references are to the earlier version INMCM4
        
        Here’s some general background on it … might lead you on to other sources:
        https://rclutz.wordpress.com/2018/10/22/2018-update-best-climate-model-inmcm5/
        
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        September 1, 2019 7:02pm
      - stephieboy
        
        MW, it is alwys useful to know someting about some your contributors as is the case with Anthony Watts and Christopher Monckton, etc
        
        https://rclutz.wordpress.com/author/ronaldrc/
        
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        September 1, 2019 7:13pm
      - rightoverlabour
        
        To Maggy
        
        Once again, what would this blog be if it were not for your infinite wisdom. Thanks
        
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        September 1, 2019 7:16pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @rightoverlabour
        
        another paper on INM-CM5
        https://www.earth-syst-dynam.net/9/1235/2018/esd-9-1235-2018.pdf
        
        @stephieboy
        Once again you seem to be unable to comprehend the difference between someone who hosts a web site and the material that appears on the site.
        
        why don’t you go and find some gossip on the Russian scientists behind the INM-CM5?
        You’ll find their names and address on the links I’ve provided.
        
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        September 1, 2019 8:16pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  I always find it amusing that so many weather stations are located at airports. Lots of concrete, and lots of engine exhaust air. Now I understand why there are weather stations at airports, but to use that information to make generalisations about the region’s or citie’s weather seems to be silly at best. https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/07/08/the-all-time-record-high-temperatures-for-los-angeles-are-the-result-of-a-faulty-weather-stations-and-should-be-disqualified/
  
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  September 1, 2019 7:32pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Of course it is silly, but it fits the global warming scam.
    
    The only valid sites for any long-term temperature record are those located at sites that have not changed significantly over the decades of recording.
    
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    September 1, 2019 8:26pm
KevO'Brien

Yes, Margaret Thatcher. I have just encountered this. It include her comments on the EU. Very able woman–why can’t we have more politicians of this cablibre?

https://www.margaretthatcher.org/document/108304
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September 1, 2019 9:24am
Michael

When the Chinese Communist Party attack and king HK citizens, I hope the world goes after them and their money wherever they are in the world.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/08/follow_the_money_if_the_pla_kills_the_hong_kong_protesters.html
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September 1, 2019 9:41am
- MCos
  
  The world is very good at making up excuses for not going after countries or anything else they rely on for economic prosperity.
  
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  September 1, 2019 2:38pm
Paulus Gnome

For the Paul Little version of the Silent T apologising for being a man, look in the horrible on Sunday for his rendition of ‘I am sorry for being white’ which reads as ‘I am a racist identifying with my single figure asian DNA representation’

Outer crap, although I did not read the whole thing, I could taste the milk curdling in my latte

Sorry no link
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September 1, 2019 10:34am
- atomic drop
  
  Paul Little is not a man though, is he? Which is of course why he has no problem scapegoating white men. Just look at the low res pic of him at the top of his column, you can still immediately see the low low testosterone levels – the pencil neck, the girly tilt of the head, the pathetic ear to ear grin.
  
  Probably got teased and pushed around at school by the sport jocks.
  
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  September 1, 2019 12:55pm
Hugh Pavletich

… HONG KONG PROTESTS …

Hong Kong: ‘Revolution is war, and no war is without bloodshed’ … Verrna Yu … The Observer / The Guardian

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/31/hong-kong-revolution-no-war-is-without-bloodshed-protesters

Anger is rising as the state crackdown intensifies, and protesters say they are prepared for confrontation and sacrifice

Ryan Lee, a 27-year-old computer engineer, only started taking part in Hong Kong’s demonstrations in June. Since then, it has been a steep learning curve.

He has tackled a police officer to the ground to rescue another protester, tossed teargas canisters back at the police and covered the gas grenades with the metal dishes commonly used in Hong Kong for steaming fish.

Within weeks, Lee has transformed into a militant “fighter” – one of the black-clad protesters in full protective gear who have faced off week after week with police behind makeshift barricades. Saturday was no exception – when police in riot gear stormed a metro station and used batons to beat passengers. … read more via hyperlink above …
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September 1, 2019 10:34am
- kowtow
  
  Hong Kong “Protests”
  
  Well Hugh, it’s nice to see you’re on the side of the “progressive” media who think murdering police is in the cause of advancing “democracy”.
  
  Here’s another take , from someone who lives there.
  
  “None of this should come as a surprise, really. Just look at all the hate forums online, particularly LIHKG, Hong Kong’s version of Reddit, with page after page of discussion threads and tutorials on how to maim and kill police officers, when and where to lie in wait for them, what weapons to use. It’s all there, in plain sight, and absolutely nothing is being done to muzzle it because any attempt to shut it down feeds right into the mass hysteria about repression and diminishing freedoms here.”
  
  Funny how the “progressive” western media are OK with certain types of “hate speech” and not others.
  
  https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/politics/article/3025224/how-kill-hong-kong-police-and-what-comes-next
  
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  September 1, 2019 11:43am
  - atomic drop
    
    If you love totalitarian hell holes so much why don’t you buy a one way ticket to glorious China. I will even help you pack your suitcase.
    
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    September 1, 2019 1:00pm
    - kowtow
      
      Hong Kong has a huge degree of autonomy compared to the rest of China , and while China has sovereignty over HK they are still two very different places , dick head.
      
      Those violent radicals risk losing all for everyone in HK . Fuck wits . As well as their ignorant fuck wit supporters.
      
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      September 1, 2019 8:18pm
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    … and Right Wing too …
    
    Police fire tear gas at Hong Kong protesters and beat them with batons after they hurled petrol bombs at government HQ in defiance of Beijing on night of violence … DAILY MAIL
    
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7413667/Hong-Kong-protesters-streets-prayer-sinners-Christian-march.html
    
    • Thousands of protesters took the streets in the 13th weekend of pro-democracy demonstrations in Hong Kong
    • Protesters, ducking beneath umbrellas, hurled petrol bombs, bricks and fired laser pointers back at the police
    • Earlier on Saturday masses of people took part in a march from a Methodist church to police HQ which they called a ‘prayer for sinners’
    • Video from a Hong Kong broadcaster showed police using batons to hit protesters while on the platform of a station
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    Hong Kong police fire water cannon and tear gas as protesters defy rally ban with petrol bombs … UK Telegraph
    
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/08/31/hong-kong-protesters-defy-police-ban-take-streets-arrests-leading/
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    Violence Erupts in Hong Kong as Protesters Defy Police … Wall Street Journal
    
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/were-not-afraid-hong-kong-protesters-march-in-defiance-of-police-ban-11567240229
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    The protesters want what we have.
    
    Freedom.
    
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    September 1, 2019 3:47pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  The Chinese Govt should not tolerate these ignorant youths in the streets. The USA seems to be implicated too in setting up future strife during the Brit period.
  
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  September 1, 2019 1:07pm
- BrownSnake
  
  Hugh If you can’t see the connection between
  the Viking Wars Communism and Interest Rates
  
  I am sorry.
  
  You must be a bit well maybe
  
  THICK?
  
  Just thought I would spice up your
  
  Tedious dribble for a Change
  
  GO TO SOME REAL Reading
  and I don’t mean
  
  Masturbation over the Game of Thrones
  
  You Gvt is a Joke
  Your Future King is a Joke
  
  and you are all
  TOTAL SLAVES
  
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  September 1, 2019 4:01pm
Wayne

Lolz at this blog.

Posters demanding that alcohol reform regulations be based on evidence whilst denying both climate change and evidence based approaches to justice and crime (amongst other things).

This blog is 100% in the service of confirmation bias and nothing more.
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September 1, 2019 10:52am
- Batman
  
  Some of the comments, not the blog itself ?
  
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  September 1, 2019 10:54am
- alloytoo
  
  It would appear that you have provided no evidence whereas MarcW provided a data set.
  
  Likewise seas level rises and increased frequency of extreme weather events have failed to materialize.
  
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  September 1, 2019 11:40am
- Brian Marshall
  
  Maybe you should read the comments Wayne. The made up figures from BERL have been shown for the BS they are. Several people in comments have linked to Eric Crampton’s blog post.
  http://offsettingbehaviour.blogspot.com/2019/08/i-cant-believe-were-still-talking-about.html?m=1
  This happens all the time and this is why no one sensible trusts the wowsers made up costs of alcohol , nor the Mann made global warming scam.
  
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  September 1, 2019 12:06pm
- David George
  
  I don’t know what you mean “denying …….evidence based approaches to justice and crime”. Care to elaborate?
  There is no evidence of human induced climate change; that is the point I and many other posters have made. The whole AGW campaign is an anti science and anti human fraud.
  
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  September 1, 2019 1:45pm
- theoldbloke
  
  Isnt it interesting that Dr Mann, Inventor of the hockey stick climate graph has refused to release his data/workings. I thought the science was settled. Ergo science is shared by all.
  
  https://www.heraldsun.com.au/subscribe/news/1/?sourceCode=HSWEB_WRE170_a_GGL&dest=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.heraldsun.com.au%2Fblogs%2Fandrew-bolt%2Fmann-overboard-climate-catastrophist-loses-court-case%2Fnews-story%2Ff7d3254c9c3e1ca47eb2adc270663a3b&memtype=anonymous&mode=premium&v21suffix=45-b
  
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  September 1, 2019 3:20pm
  - kowtow
    
    ‘Mann made global warming. ‘
    
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    September 1, 2019 6:39pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  The blog allows fuck wits like you to post crap. It also allows us the readers to judge the level of fuck wittery and to comment appropriately. Mostly this is civil and generally the moderators temper the most extreme views. However, don’t come here and accuse us of crap and expect us to just offer the other cheek. This is a robust, adults only, playground. Fit in or fuck off.
  
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  September 1, 2019 4:15pm
- burt
  
  Ok, we get it.
  
  Man made CO2 is making alcohol worse, more extreme and more dangerous. Increased frequency and intensity of drinking binges is directly linked to increasing atmospheric CO2 levels.
  
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  September 1, 2019 4:20pm
secondcumming

I think it’s fair to say that under this government, the country I grew up in is turning into a *third-world shithole*.
And to add insult to injury, it’s very expensive to live in as well.
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September 1, 2019 11:18am
stephieboy

What a great day to begin the unofficial first day of spring,

A must listen,

Former enemies Imam Dr Muhammad Ashafa and Pastor Dr James Wuye spent years as the leaders or violent militias fighting each other in Kenya, but an unlikely coming together saw their worlds come together in emphatic fashion and they are now best friends. The religious leaders have been in New Zealand to meet Muslim community and other community leaders in Christchurch and speak at events in Wellington and Auckland.,

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/sunday
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September 1, 2019 11:35am
- atomic drop
  
  Kenya is a third world dump on a down hill trajectory. Every muslim run country is a human rights abusing hell hole.
  
  Hopefully your two pals are here to learn from us white people how to build and manage a democratic society where the population doesn’t resort to machetes to settle differences.
  
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  September 1, 2019 1:10pm
  - BrownSnake
    
    where the population doesn’t resort to machetes to settle differences.
    
    That is London isn’t it
    
    Still a backward slave trading town eh
    
    Stephie W o n ks
    
    New Socialist Sh8t hole paradise
    
    Where a pack of useless whining incompetent
    British Socialists Worship Karl Marx
    
    and are so sos THICK they do not
    Realise who stole
    Thomas Paines Body so there would be
    no memorial to him
    
    Christ imagine America under
    
    British Rule
    
    It would be a backward sheep loving
    crap hole like
    
    NZ or AUs
    
    Full to the brim with the most useless
    gutless backward corrupt
    
    Naturalist Socialist Sheep Farmers
    
    Falling over them selves to give the
    Chinese Emperor
    
    Blow
    Jobs
    
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    September 1, 2019 7:15pm
- secondcumming
  
  Refer my comment immediately above… timed @ 11:18am 😎
  
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  September 1, 2019 1:23pm
Barney_the_dinosaur

Can someone please explain to me the lack of logic in Stuff’s latest hit piece on Agriculture this morning?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/115425664/the-world-is-burning-and-judith-collins-just-poured-fuel-on-the-fire

It starts off with the oxymoronic statement that Climate Change is the nuclear free movement of this generation; the irony being regardless of your position on climate change, if it is the problem we are told it is, weapons aside, nuclear free is demonstrably counter productive to any climate change resolution and the movement has set us back 35 years in nuclear energy development.

Then the farming bashing starts. The reason farmers don’t like the zero carbon bill is not because they want to kill everyone, it’s because it’s a garbage piece of legislation, it just so happens the garbage bits mostly affect them. This continual paranoia about animal CO2 and Methane emissions is completely illogical even by climate science standards. The simple fact is all animals are carbon neutral, period. All the CO2 emitted by any animal is equal to the amount absorbed from the atmosphere by the food they have eaten. All the methane that comes from the ruminants lasts is not accumulative, it lasts 5-12 years in the atmosphere depending on your source before being oxidised to carbon dioxide and water, where, you guessed it, it will be absorbed by food growth. They are biofuel powered.

Admittedly Nitrous Oxide emissions are more of a problem according to climate science, but we never hear about that for a start, it’s largely a fertiliser application problem, and nitrous oxide levels have increased a crazy 15% since 1750, equivalent to about 14ppm CO2 increase.

And finally the reason people don’t like the zero carbon bill is because it legislates freaking out over the carbon neutral emissions from animals, and legislates against receiving carbon credits from most feed grown, most native plantations (which, despite the media’s panic there are a lot of on farms), and many exotic species that aren’t in plantations. It gives no credence to the fact that methane cannot accumulate, and cannot account for any carbon sequestration in soil vía regenerative farming. That’s why people don’t like it.

And don’t get me started on the completely overblown water quality histeria. Apparently everyone in Stuff comments is an Agriscience expert, believes no one is doing anything about it, and that somehow ECan is under the thumb of farmers despite also setting out a never ending series of hoops for farms to jump through. It’s no wonder we have rural mental health issues.
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September 1, 2019 11:36am
- David George
  
  “The World is Burning”
  You would think that Stuff is trying to terrify people.
  0.9 degrees temperature increase in 250 years, since the end of the little ice age is not “burning”
  
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  September 1, 2019 1:51pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    The science behind CO2 and the warming is very controversial. I have engaged with some on this blog as they earnestly believe I am misguided in my understanding of how the atmosphere is warmed and how radiation is transferred. What I can say for certain is that is much more complicated than just “more CO2 equals warming” as according to the Gospel of Gore etal. Reading papers such as this https://dw99kd9o82oas.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/article1.pdf?x11502
    and looking at 10 years of comments on the skepitalscience.com website on the CO2 saturation entry shows that top scientists who have a much better grasp than I do do not agree on this vital issue. But that is good science, as slowly through these debates a better understanding will emerge. However, the alarmist circle jerk at Stuff have no clue , nor do most politicians around the world.
    
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    September 1, 2019 6:28pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Wai 262 resurfaces…
“It’s the lowest profile that I’ve ever seen of a government announcement, and I think perhaps that was deliberate because it has been so long,”
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/397785/government-responds-to-bid-for-maori-intellectual-and-cultural-property-rights
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September 1, 2019 11:55am
- KevO'Brien
  
  I want equal rights over too my cultural heritage. I suggest $50,000,000 /English loan word for rights in perpetuity or $1,000/word/use in any context per single occasion. Repeated speeches etc same rule apply.
  
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  September 1, 2019 1:14pm
- PhilP
  
  3 f***ing ministerial inquiries for the 1 report, why am I not surprised?
  
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  September 1, 2019 8:38pm
  - stigie
    
    Plus the Kiwislum reset this week will fix everything !~
    
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    September 1, 2019 9:11pm
JibberJabber

From todays No shit Sherlock? files.
Why arguing with your wife is futile! https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-7413905/Women-remember-specifics-like-said-missing-objects-better-men.html
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September 1, 2019 12:31pm
- atomic drop
  
  ” [females]..remember autobiographical events ”
  
  That is the problem with females, they get bogged down in the gossipy details. They always miss the big picture and fail to get to the heart of the issue at hand.
  
  “Why arguing with your wife is futile! ”
  
  Yes, remember only a fool argues with a fool.
  
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  September 1, 2019 1:16pm
Maggy Wassilieff

A very good article on the role of NIWA forecasting NZ weather.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/115296637/competing-weather-forecasts-from-two-separate-govt-agencies-labelled-absurd

NIWA has never had any mandate to be the nation’s weather forecaster… That is MetService’s role.

NIWA can’t explain how it got to undertake this work.. but I would suggest their sacked ex senior scientist Dr Jim Salinger would have a good idea how he crossed into duplicating Met. Service operations.

The money wasted on duplication of research, scientists, equipment is a disgrace.

The problem is that successive ministers in New Zealand have not had the fortitude to stand up to Niwa.

Let’s hope Megan Woods closes down this money-gobbling trough.
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September 1, 2019 1:20pm
- chaos
  
  Wouldn’t that mean Megan Woods would actually have to do something
  
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  September 1, 2019 2:06pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  NIWA couldn’t waste a good hand-crafted data set. It would bother the Hadcrut people if their dishonest email proposals to hide a lack of warming were not followed.
  
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  September 1, 2019 2:15pm
- Brian Marshall
  
  hahaha good one Maggy. As if any ministers in the last 20years have had the gumption to shut NIWA’s climate change/weather bullshit down.
  
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  September 1, 2019 3:11pm
- Michael
  
  Maggy,
  somehow I don’t see the Minister having the fortitude to do that right now, she’s got other fish to fry or keep out of the fire.
  
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  September 1, 2019 3:17pm
- sooty
  
  If she’s there long enough!
  
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  September 1, 2019 4:00pm
Happychappy

Why would you believe David Clark or Jacinda Ardern now they have had nine years in opposition and two years of Government to produce a Cancer plan and you still have to wait until December for to be announced and the 60 million dollars to Phamac is just saying National promised 50 million so we will give another 10 million to outdo them.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/health/115444349/government-announces-an-extra-60m-in-pharmac-funding-and-new-cancer-treatments
They talk of 9years of neglect and underfunding but Labour has spent 11years of laziness with know ability or nous to still be able to formulate a workable plan.
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September 1, 2019 2:21pm
Colville

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/115403333/gang-member-sues-south-waikato-council-iwi-over-cancelled-property-deal

So the iwi have an unconditional sale of property find out its to Headhunters, then conspire with Council and Councils buys it and then on sells it.

Article goes on about the Council denying liability (I kind of agree) but the iwi is in the gun totally for damages.

You cant just change your mind on an unconditional sale. How do you quantify damages? how much will it cost to put Headhunters back into a similar property? LOTS I would think.

Thoughts?
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September 1, 2019 2:54pm
RightNow

Happy father’s day and happy first day of spring!
If your carbon footprint is less than Al Gore’s then pat yourself on the back, you’ve done your part now go and enjoy a good steak!
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September 1, 2019 3:54pm
- Tall Man
  
  I could run a hundred B trains per day and still not reach “al’s achievements”…..
  
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  September 1, 2019 9:35pm
gump

Trump made up phone call with China at G7 summit, White House aides admit:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-china-phone-call-lie-fact-check-g7-summit-trade-war-a9085786.html
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September 1, 2019 5:55pm
- Tall Man
  
  My god.. is he our leader?
  
  Or … is it the bullshitter…………………..
  
  Unfortunately……
  
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  September 1, 2019 9:31pm
MCos

Tweet of the minute
https://twitter.com/cctv_idiots/status/1168055899665121280?s=21
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September 1, 2019 8:10pm
Scooter

David Clark interview on Newstalk re new cancer policy, more umms and arrrhs than JA, if that’s possible.
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September 1, 2019 11:27pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  $60mill extra over 2 yrs, into pharmac…but not specifically for cancer…so if this is a discussion about cancer, we can assume about $6 mill toward cancer drugs…underwhelming much?
  The are going to form a committee to adjudicate over cancer treatment….wow..thats like me employing an admin clerk and expecting sales to rise.
  
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  September 2, 2019 11:38am
Hugh Pavletich

NEW ZEALAND: THE FONTERRA FIASCO … CONTINUES …

Keith Woodford lays out how Fonterra’s Chilean profits and market share have been dropping, and how its farmers have been deserting for other processors. He says write-downs appear likely … Interest Co NZ

https://www.interest.co.nz/rural-news/101478/keith-woodford-lays-out-how-fonterra%E2%80%99s-chilean-profits-and-market-share-have-been

With Fonterra announcing big write-downs on its asset values in China, Brazil, Venezuela and New Zealand, is it a fair question to ask what other assets elsewhere in the world might also need to be written down? Have we heard all the bad news?

The two biggest questions relate to Australia and Chile. These are Fonterra’s biggest overseas milk pools, which no longer fit clearly within the new emerging Fonterra strategy.

I recently wrote about concerns for Australia, where Fonterra has announced plans to write down assets by $70 million. In that article I expressed concern that much bigger write-downs might be needed.

Since then, my Australian network confirms that, particularly in Northern Victoria, Fonterra is indeed in big trouble, and heading towards more stranded assets. The problems are growing by the month. In July, Fonterra’s monthly Australian milk supply was 5.4 million kg milksolids (fat plus protein) whereas two years ago it was 8.3 million kg milksolids. … read more via hyperlink above …
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FMA looking into Fonterra’s asset write downs and financial performance following complaint … John Anthony … Stuff NZ

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/115457601/fma-looking-into-fonterras-asset-write-downs-and-financial-performance-following-complaint
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New Zealand’s sick government hack culture ( Fonterra are government hacks masquerading as business people ) … the higher the pay, the worse the performance ( the ‘three I’s’ of New Zealand government hacks … insolence, ignorance & incompetence ) … starting from the top …

What Heads of Governments get paid (in US$) – Kiwiblog

https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/09/what_heads_of_governments_get_paid_in_us.html
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