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September 28, 2019 8:00am by Kokila Patel

General Debate 28 September 2019

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Paulus Gnome

What will Greta be disappointed with today.

Hands up all those who give a fuck.
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September 28, 2019 8:05am
- MrTips
  
  Her handlers will. Their income and attention depend on her keeping up the act. She is completely unaware of being so callously used and her mental health will suffer accordingly when she finds out. She’ll end up hating parents when the penny drops – except that anger would at least be justified.
  
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  September 28, 2019 8:46am
  - rockape
    
    I think when the spotlight moves on that young girl is going to find it hard.
    
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    September 28, 2019 5:24pm
- harvey wilson
  
  I liked this though
  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CLxpgRqxtEA
  
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  September 28, 2019 8:57am
  - pussycat
    
    The aussie version is more interesting
    
    https://youtu.be/qLPbnJ3Kbu4
    
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    September 28, 2019 3:29pm
    - Sacha
      
      I TOTALLY DISAPPROVE OF THE AUSSIE VERSION!
      But I laughed.
      
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      September 28, 2019 8:11pm
- Wangas Feral
  
  Look up Severn Suzuki’s 1992 speech to the UN. She was saying the exact same things as Greta but with less scowls. Guess what. Severn is now a middle aged woman with a family. Her ‘stolen’ life didn’t turn out too bad and neither will Greta’s unless her parents and handlers get her depressed enough to kill herself so they can have the martyr they seem to so desperately want.
  
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  September 28, 2019 8:59am
- Rich Prick
  
  She certainly isn’t a happy little girl. And with all that CO2 pouring out of her nostrils it’s a wonder she can see her way to clear obstacles.
  
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  September 28, 2019 9:13am
  - Greg Ettridge
    
    It seems it is not just Greta, she is the conduit for revolt, but the rest are following.
    The signs yesterday say it all.
    “You are burning my future”
    https://www.instagram.com/p/B25z0zYjryQ/
    Not for a moment, would this person actually realise she is burning her own future.
    Do you notice they never mention air travel as a necessary evil.
    If they are half serious, ship cruising ends immediately for the followers, flights and staying in luxury hotels are finished.
    My carbon footprint living 50 kms from nearest shop would be less than most, I choose what I eat, I travel when I want to. I drive a TD5 old but reliable.
    These kids need to get a life, educate themselves in a rewarding career, worry about things you can change, climate certainly isn’t one of them.
    Just a day of pathetic senseless grandstanding.
    Best advice I can give my Grandchildren, never worry about something you cannot change.
    If you make mistakes in life, learn from them.
    Enjoy your work, put this above earning ability.
    Don’t blame others for your stuff ups.
    The education system appears badly broken and beyond repair.
    
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    September 28, 2019 9:50am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Who outside KB’s rabid right bubble chamber actually cares!?
    
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    September 28, 2019 10:35am
    - Greg Ettridge
      
      There is alot to care about, believe me, right or left.
      My guess is the vast majority of Queensland cares.
      Just a few months back, they sent the Australian Labor party packing with their crazy emissions ideas and unbelieveable taxes.
      If you want to find out who cares, take Greta by the hand and go to a place like Clermont, she will be run out of town before she can open her mouth.
      It is not just the right that need to care, if the world follows this socialist agenda, the consequences will be profound, it will be a better outcome for the wealthier from right or left,
      less affected because they have some assets to absorb it, the poor will be on the bones of their arse and no one to give them handouts.
      If you cut mining out of Australia, what standard of living will their be?
      If you destroy the NZ Agricultural economy, the same result, no more money or free handouts.
      Money is created by taxpayers and hard work, governments just spend it with gay abandon.
      
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      September 28, 2019 1:55pm
      - stephieboy
        
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        How many protestors do you think Climate deniers like you could get out onto the streets?
        
        20, 30, 40 etc at most!?
        
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        September 28, 2019 2:08pm
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      obviously you, because you bothered to come online. unless of course you simply drew the weekend shift, so time and a half for Stephie your duty labour troll!
      
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      September 28, 2019 3:07pm
  - igm
    
    She, like her parents, is definitely not running on a full tank of gas . . . looks like she needs a good feed of steak, eggs, onions, and chips!
    
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    September 28, 2019 10:37am
    - MH
      
      she has ruined my retirement.
      
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      September 28, 2019 1:15pm
      - stephieboy
        
        MH , ruined your retirement?
        
        Good one!
        
        Shes merely doing her job!
        
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        September 28, 2019 2:10pm
      - Martin Williams
        
        ? This is satire, right?
        
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        September 28, 2019 3:43pm
      - John Warren
        
        She has stolen my dreams of retirement.
        
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        September 28, 2019 10:11pm
- Scott
  
  What worries me is that young people like her have been indoctrinated by the teachers to believe that the world is going to end unless we end all fossil fuel emissions. Immediately!!
  
  That means that young people can get a sense of hopelessness and fatalism. That sense is out of all proportion to the actual problem. Look outside your window. Is the world ending? Are the plants dying? Has your cat keeled over because of carbon emissions?
  
  Now don’t get me wrong. We do need to look after God’s green earth because we are stewards of creation. So we should do something about pollution and all that horrible plastic that is floating in the oceans. So moving back to paper bags for example is probably a good idea in many situations.
  
  But let’s not burden our young people with false alarmist tales of the world is ending because of greenhouse emissions. It’s just not happening.
  
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  September 28, 2019 9:18am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Scott,
    
    “What worries me is that young people like her have been indoctrinated by the teachers to believe that the world is going to end unless we end all fossil fuel emissions..”
    
    Keep up the drivel!
    
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    September 28, 2019 2:11pm
- chaos
  
  Well the good news is she has no problem with plastics
  
  https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dxg_RvzX4AIcmpr.jpg
  
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  September 28, 2019 9:19am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    Ah, a vegan salad. All is made clear.
    
    Another vegan fantasist. Dietary deficiencies are a dreadful thing…
    
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    September 28, 2019 3:08pm
- Fletch
  
  When she grows up, she will either be a complete activist-tosser like her parents, or completely disown them because of what they did to her.
  
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  September 28, 2019 9:37am
  - pussycat
    
    She may eventually realise she is not a victim of “climate change” but of child abuse.
    
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    September 28, 2019 3:33pm
- JibberJabber
  
  If Greta was an Aussie,
  https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1146024342272201
  
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  September 28, 2019 9:44am
- emmess
  
  How dare you.
  
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  September 28, 2019 9:45am
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  If humans are so detrimental to the environment, then logically these dopey kids should all come together and do a latter day Jonestown. They owe it to the planet surely? To not do so would be the height of selfishness and hypocrisy, would it not?
  
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  September 28, 2019 9:58am
- JackRabbit
  
  The Climate Change Nazis must be very worried that the public are not buying the Emperors New Clothes Man Made Climate Change Scam, so they had to roll out this latest act, Greta Omen I.
  
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  September 28, 2019 10:26am
- Psycho Milt
  
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  She sure won’t be disappointed with her ability to annoy the fuck out of the world’s grumpy old men.
  
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  September 28, 2019 10:31am
  - JimBobJoe
    
    More annoy the heck out of rational people…. you’ve sipped deep of the Green hysteria potion Milty if a hysterical screaming head impresses you. Minto moment ….
    
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    September 28, 2019 1:34pm
  - Martin Williams
    
    Or mobilise millions strong protest action.
    
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    September 28, 2019 3:44pm
- Belinda
  
  Watching news last night, it appears we have our own little versions of Greta.
  I can almost feel my blood pressure rising everytime I see Greta’s scowling face.
  
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  September 28, 2019 1:16pm
  - Martin Williams
    
    You’ve had your time. Let the young-uns take over from here.
    
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    September 28, 2019 3:46pm
    - Jack5
      
      Careful what you wish, for Martin.
      
      Some very nasty folk have whipped up political frenzy among young people:
      
      https://www.thoughtco.com/hitler-youth-and-indoctrination-1221066
      
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      September 28, 2019 5:32pm
    - Suze Wainwright
      
      On ya Marty – I’m sure you’ll be treated favourably and with the utmost respect…
      
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      September 28, 2019 6:59pm
  - JackRabbit
    
    Not all children are bad, in fact some are level headed.
    
    In 2013 Bindi Irwin (Terri and the late Steve Irwin’s daughter) wrote an article to go in Hilary Clinton’s online e-journal. Part of what Bindi wrote was “‘I believe that most problems in the world today, such as climate change, stem from one immense problem which seems to be the ‘elephant in the room’ that no-one wants to talk about.” ‘This problem is our ever expanding human population. We are experiencing Earth’s sixth mass extinction right now.”
    
    Bindi received the final version for publication back, with all references to over population removed. Mrs Irwin, who is American by birth, said Bindi wrote to Hillary Clinton’s organisation later asking ‘What happened to freedom of speech? This is my opinion and I don’t want that edited out.’
    
    Hilary would not change her stance. A spat ensued and Bindi stood her ground refusing the article to be printed.
    
    Bindi Irwin and Greta should change places. Bindi Irwin goes to be climate spokeswomen and Greta goes to the crocodiles.
    
    https://tinyurl.com/y6hzs8ae
    
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    September 28, 2019 4:36pm
artemisia

Whoever heard of a risk register being reviewed only annually? Especially for a high risk programme like Kiwibuild. Is that normal with Ministers?

In the private sector that would be a very fast DCM.

Oral question #4 25 September 2019 (also #5 26 September)

Hon Dr MEGAN WOODS: … the risk register has not been reviewed. It is an annual document that is due to be reviewed again by February 2020.

Mind you, that answer was one of the more intelligible for that question and its supplementaries.
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September 28, 2019 8:09am
- Swifty
  
  FFS – there is no such thing as ‘an annual document’.
  
  A document that is reviewed annually perhaps?
  
  BTW – a risk management process which reviews a risk register annually is unheard of in my lifetime.
  
  Might as well not bother.
  
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  September 28, 2019 8:53am
- srylands
  
  I have been on Governance groups for a couple of major projects in the state sector. Standard practice was updated risk register monthly. For risky projects it can be fortnightly.
  
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  September 28, 2019 9:10am
- Spam
  
  Should be a “live”document, reviewed at the appropriate frequency quarterly or perhaps monthly. I would have thought that “NGO Actions against private developers, supported by government ambiguity” should have been recently added.
  
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  September 28, 2019 9:16am
- Prince
  
  Risk registers should be formally reviewed and signed off at least quarterly, and managers required to update on a ‘as it happens’ basis – or else !.
  But that is in the real world, not the cloistered world of our inexperienced, unqualified overpaid cabinet ministers.
  
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  September 28, 2019 10:21am
  - artemisia
    
    Back in the day I designed a report format for the weekly top management meeting (big private sector company). First item always – the three top risks. Because risk management is IMO the number one priority for managers and directors. And Cabinet Ministers.
    
    If it isn’t, they don’t understand their jobs.
    
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    September 28, 2019 1:13pm
- dog_eat_dog
  
  So hold on, they had a massive policy change, completely changed the scope of the programme and what it was doing (building and supply-side to purely rent-to-own) and have kept the same risk assessment framework? Uh….what? I don’t care if it’s just reviewed annually but it’s literally not the same policy it was five months ago.
  
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  September 28, 2019 11:17am
- Piniwi
  
  Funny artemisia @ 8.09 am but included in all that Wood waffle was another little nugget. A risk review will be carried out when the final details of the “reset” changes are completed. We can also expect the risk register to be increased substantially by many of their “initiatives”. The devil as they say is in the detail.
  
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  September 28, 2019 12:10pm
- Hard Cheese
  
  Judith Collins questioning had Kris Faafoi doing his best Yes Minister impression, trying to claim the risk register was simultaneously a “living” document and one that was reviewed only once a year. According to Woods there is a difference between an actual risk and a possible risk – it looks like a risk is a possible risk
  if it’s not embarrassing to the Government because they’ve done no work on it. Seeing Faafoi trying to explain his way out of Woods’ idiocy was hilarious.
  
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  September 28, 2019 1:01pm
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Only someone who has never run a project or a business in the real world would say anything that stupid.
  
  Whats worse, as a PQ, some flunkey wrote that answer for her, so God help Housing if no grown-ups were around to go , Er, no risk management doesn’t work like that….
  
  Bwuhahahaa!
  
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  September 28, 2019 3:12pm
  - JackRabbit
    
    Both Megan Woods and Clare Curran say things that appear to have been generated by an online essay generator. Either that or written by some 16 year old school kid, who is used to writing garbage to pass school exams.
    
    Ardern is only slightly better, having learnt to change the subject when she does not have an answer.
    
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    September 28, 2019 4:47pm
artemisia

The ever sensible Dr Bryce Wilkinson writes for the NZ Initiative on Ihumatao, property rights and the Rule of Law. And that other law – the Law of the Jungle.

In short, if all that activists have to do to stop development is to illegally occupy private land, we are on a road to division and ruin, and not just in housing.

nzinitiative.org.nz/reports-and-media/opinion/property-rights-and-ihumatao-blues/
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September 28, 2019 8:09am
- Straight arrow
  
  That is why National has scored own-goal re using parliamentry video after Mallard enforces rules. Nats are supposed to be the party for the rule of law.
  They have lost moral high ground.
  
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  September 28, 2019 8:48am
  - Paulus
    
    What Rule of Law please -Mallards COL Law.
    They can do it many times but not take it.
    
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    September 28, 2019 1:04pm
    - Straight arrow
      
      Parliament’s Standing Orders. Not COL law, not Mallard’s law. Changed with consensus of parties. Bridges wanted that rule retained at last review in 2017, while other parties wanted it gone. Stayed because no consensus. Nats did not ask for it to be enforced by speaker while in government.
      
      Now in opposition, Bridges wants to go against that rule, and as Labour has requested that Speaker enforce rule, speaker doesn’t have much option but to enforce.
      
      Stop blaming Mallard for every incompetency of National and Bridges.
      
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      September 28, 2019 1:37pm
  - Prince
    
    Mallard’s rule is not the rule of law.
    It is the partisan burp of a bully who is out of his depth.
    
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    September 28, 2019 1:17pm
- srylands
  
  Yes exactly. I heard a debate on the wireless a couple of weeks ago between Gareth Hughes and David Seymour. David was sensible as usual.
  
  Gareth was scary. He essentially said that no settlements are full and final and that the Green Party would always support any efforts by Iwi to seek redress for any perceived wrong doing if they continued to feel aggrieved.
  
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  September 28, 2019 9:17am
Souvlaki

On the one hand ,our airheaded PM wail/ gnash teeth over climbing suicide rate, but chooses to overlook her OWN ” Nuclear free moment” in exaccerbating problem by engendering doomsday ideas over climate! She fosters a feeling of hopeless nihilism like her soulmate St Greta…preying on the thick & vulnerable who swallow her BS hook line & sinker?& genuinely fear they have little future!
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September 28, 2019 8:11am
- Justitia
  
  “She cultivates her hysteria with both pleasure and terror” (apologies to Baudelaire). Ardern and St Greta are high priestesses of a sinister left wing scam whose objective is the establishment of a Marxist utopia. Don’t let your kids be manipulated for this evil purpose.
  
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  September 28, 2019 10:08am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It does seem like the climate doom-mongers have missed a trick in their cultist propaganda.
  They haven’t promised the young folk Paradise or Nirvana at the end of their climate-change struggle.
  
  If the alarmists succeed in convincing Governments to keep global temp to a 1.5C rise, it’s just business as usual.
  
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  September 28, 2019 10:21am
- igm
  
  Don’t overlook media scum fawning over these useless unintelligent pawns of the left.
  
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  September 28, 2019 10:38am
- stephieboy
  
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  ” Greta…preying on the thick & vulnerable who swallow her BS…”
  
  ???
  
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  September 28, 2019 10:39am
  - chaos
    
    Well you believe her, so point proven
    
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    September 28, 2019 2:23pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Heh heh heh.
      
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      September 28, 2019 9:26pm
Swifty

A nice look back to 1963 with Archives New Zealand.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2tSoTca1YA

Gisborne, Selwyn Toogood, Watties, farming, brief interviews with locals etc.

Note: Mr Toogood’s wardrobe by CAMBRIDGE 🙂
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September 28, 2019 8:19am
- John Warren
  
  That was a great watch! Cheers for that.
  
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  September 28, 2019 9:17am
- pdm
  
  Excellent – we lived in Gisborne 1977 to 1981 and thoroughly enjoyed bringing up our family there.
  
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  September 28, 2019 9:33am
G152

Using children to push the anti anything message isn’t a new ploy.
And with the contrivance of fake news and the leftist leaning in schools they fall into line to protest what ever it is their leaders want.
And they want the vote at 16.
Lazy self entitled little dears.
If they want the vote join the military and earn the right
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September 28, 2019 8:21am
- lastmanstanding
  
  Im OK with kids voting at 16 provided they like all voters pass an IQ test and a political knowledge test before being handed a ballot paper.
  
  The reason is to ensure the dumb and the ignorant dont get to vote.
  
  Voting should be a privilege not a right. you should have to earn it,
  
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  September 28, 2019 9:39am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The dumb and ignorant have always voted. That’s how we het Labour, Greens, and NZF
    
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    September 28, 2019 9:55am
    - Tall Man
      
      And if you ever doubt that, look back at steffy’s, psycho’s and martin’s comment
      
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      September 28, 2019 10:03am
- Sacha
  
  If children could vote at 16, could. they also stand for election to Parliament?
  Envisage the rush to enrol as voters –
  Imagine the situation as thousands of their peers rally any/every day in the grounds of Parliament to insist on their solutions to climate change from a hundred different perspectives (given that they would only be 16 -adjacent after all).
  I can see it working perfectly –
  
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  September 28, 2019 9:44am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Military? No way! They have guns
  
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  September 28, 2019 9:53am
- RW Capitalist
  
  My father..wise beyond his status, had an answer to me, when I too was a self entitled teenager claiming to have a cure for the worlds ills. (see kids, every generation goes though this PHASE).
  “By all means, change the world, start with YOURSELF!!!”
  Michael Jackson put it in a song (my father never claimed royalties)…”Man in the mirror”
  With that in mind. You could stop telling me what to do and blaming me for this overblown “crisis”.
  and
  Walk to school
  Become vegetarian
  Buy yourself a bike, or a horse (except just like cows…they fart and were replaced by the less polluting CAR.)
  Refuse holidays
  Spend more time at school on subjects that will actually find a solution
  No MacD’s etc
  etc etc
  Remember it was the culmination of past 4 generations that gave you all the toys you now play with and take for granted
  The freedom to not be at work aged 12
  The “right” to vote as an adult of any age.
  It appears that some unscrupulous adults, want to manipulate you for their nefarious reasons (look up any works you don’t understand).
  R E S P O N S I B I L I T Y…seems to be a word not used anymore unless they want to use it to replace the work BLAME when describing their political opponents.
  Summary
  When you have a job and are participating in society…then I will listen to your opinion.
  
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  September 28, 2019 10:20am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Additional thought:
    If I was to speak directly to the crowd of children.
    I may remind them, that without fossil fuels
    They would not have
    the paint to write their placards
    The cardboard to write on
    The stick to hold them up
    the nails to put the sign on the stick
    The clothes they are wearing
    The road they just marched on
    The buildings all around them
    In summary
    They would be a naked crowd standing cold and in fewer numbers in a barren field.
    
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    September 28, 2019 1:50pm
- kloyd0306
  
  Using children to promote an agenda is the MO of the left.
  Can’t criticise Obama because he is black.
  Can’t criticise Hillary because she is a woman.
  Can’t criticise Greta because she is young and female.
  It’s a pattern and a disgraceful one.
  Argue positions on facts not images.
  The left don’t want to argue on facts, they just want us to shut up and do as we are told, all the while telling us that they are the tolerant ones.
  
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  September 28, 2019 2:41pm
- fisho
  
  The best example I can think of turning children against parents is Pol Pot. What we’re seeing at the moment is straight out of the Marxist playbook. Scary.
  
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  September 28, 2019 4:43pm
Paginus

Simple question for today, what makes someone a New Zealander?
I really want to know after 24 down ticks for bad think yesterday.
So it has nothing to do with language, culture or DNA and everything to do with a piece of paper?
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September 28, 2019 8:27am
- Tony Stuart
  
  I might beat your tally of 24 downticks with this opinion, but what the heck? There are plenty of immigrants who embrace New Zealand culture and values more enthusiastically than some who were born here. Mindset is really important.
  
  Some immigrants come to NZ setermined to set up an enclave of home, and only mix with other immigrants, most of whom yearn for the “good old days” back home. My years working as an immigration consultant taught me that the ones who immediately integrate into their new community are the ones who do best.
  
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  September 28, 2019 8:38am
  - slightlyrighty
    
    My parents came to NZ from Post War western Europe, and for choosing this country, I am eternally grateful.
    
    Their community retains it roots and elements of its culture, but they have also embraced the kiwi way of life. I guess that 2nd generation immigrants like me, who look and sound like what some would class as acceptable, probably have an easier time in doing so.
    
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    September 28, 2019 8:46am
  - wreck1080
    
    Why do so many immigrants end up in low paying jobs, when the points system is supposed to protect against poor quality immigrants?
    
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    September 28, 2019 8:48am
    - Nermal
      
      Possibly because some, like both my parents, were prepared to take low paying jobs at first rather than accept charity. They then gained New Zealand job experience and went on to better paying careers
      
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      September 28, 2019 1:00pm
      - wreck1080
        
        This is the thing, why were they let in when they could only get low paying jobs?
        
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        September 28, 2019 4:58pm
  - Biscuit
    
    No downticks yet, (well, at 9.23am, anyway) Tony.
    
    Let me have a go!
    
    It’s odd, isn’t it, that the ones who do best – and I have a Cambodian pal whose family escaped Pol Pot – embrace the opportunities of a new culture, whilst still being able to celebrate the best parts of their own.
    
    They sure as hell don’t whine endlessly about past wrongs, do little to better themselves, continue to live in economically-deprived homelands (Northland, Gisborne) and go through life with a ‘You owe me’ attitude.
    
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    September 28, 2019 9:27am
  - MCos
    
    Back in the seventies a Russian Jewish refugee came to work in our office. He couldn’t speak or write English, which was a pronounced handicap for a draughtsman. However him and his wife knuckled down and learned the language, joined in with office social activities and gradually adjusted. His parents came too. Dad found labouring work and mum stayed home with the kid. She was as lonely as hell, couldn’t cope and killed herself.
    There was no Russian community they could trust to mix with in NZ so as some as they acquired their passports they shifted to Sydney.
    While it’s all very well to intergrate with another culture it’s not everything.
    
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    September 28, 2019 9:30am
  - Jules99
    
    I met a young man who, while born in NZ, had a foreign accent. Although he went to a local state school, the rest of the time he lived in the Chinese community. Nice chap but less employable than those who were fully integrated into the country.
    
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    September 28, 2019 9:57am
  - The King
    
    Cool story, so what happens when immigrants start to outnumber the local population?
    
    We’ve gone from 95% NZ born to 72% in 2 decades on track to be 50% by 2030.
    
    Judges are already changing laws to accommodate immigrant crime. A Chinese man got let off jail in chch for touching boys penises in a pool changing room as it was a “Cultural mistake”
    
    How many ‘cultural mistakes’ are YOU going to allow foreigners touching YOUR sons penis?
    
    A Somali continues to rape NZ women and continues to be put back on the streets because “culture”, are you fine with him raping your daughter next?
    
    How many NZ women need to be raped for your ‘multicultural utopia’?
    
    In your time as an immigration consultant what exactly have you learned from other cultures that is better than NZ culture? other than being ‘tolerant’ that i can’t learn off the internet?
    
    Tolerance is only ever pain
    
    You don’t ‘tolerate’ being happy
    You don’t ‘tolerate’ love
    You don’t ‘tolerate’ health
    
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    September 28, 2019 10:18am
  - stephieboy
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    Tony Stuart, good old anecdotal, second-hand stuff. Does ethnicity or colour of their skin have any bearing on an unwillingness to” embrace New Zealand culture”???
    
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    September 28, 2019 10:43am
- SGA
  
  what makes someone a New Zealander?
  
  The cold reality is anyone entitled to a New Zealand passport.
  Are you asking whether some people of more of a NZer than others?
  
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  September 28, 2019 8:42am
- chaos
  
  Good question. I personally think some of our immigrants are more kiwi than some of the Neanderthals that are born here.
  
  So what makes a kiwi, someone that embraces our country as their home, someone that treats it with the respect and are respectful of our laws and ways, but also don’t shy away from sharing what they bring to the country.
  
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  September 28, 2019 8:45am
- MrTips
  
  I don’t think NZers really know anymore. All this Te Reo, haka, Dave bloody dobbyn, pineapple lumps, progressive think and outdoors image is not a culture. That’s a fake media creation.
  
  NZ was a Xtian country. It had ideals. It wasn’t perfect but it had ideals. Now it just has the tyranny of ME and “my rights”. All of which eventually clashes with someone else’s rights.
  
  And that never ends well. For as the sage opined, age is no guarantee of wisdom, but youth is no guarantee of sense/inspiration either.
  
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  September 28, 2019 8:57am
- Scott
  
  Paginus – I feel your pain. 🙂
  However it is a good question – what makes someone a New Zealander? In other words how do we define ourselves? What are the marks of belonging?
  Are we citizens of a country with ties and loyalty to each other, with shared norms and values? That means that we would exclude some people who don’t share our norms and values. For some on the left that idea is just anathema.
  
  Or are we global citizens of the world secular economy where we take our cues from transnational organisations like the UN? Do we value diversity and multicultural inclusion so presumably everyone will end up looking the same? Coffee coloured people all wearing our Nike hoodies and drinking Starbucks coffee while awaiting our next package from Amazon?
  
  Here’s the thing. Is there a place called home and are we prepared to defend it? Given that almost half of New Zealanders have no religion what can possibly bind us together? Perhaps we need a religious revival? I think we do. 🙂
  
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  September 28, 2019 9:14am
- srylands
  
  I have lived in New Zealand for 25 years. I immigrated from Australia which was uncommon at the time. I acquired citizenship when I was allowed to.
  
  I consider myself very much a New Zealander. I have a daughter born here. I continue to feel connected to the Australian landscape, especially the Australian outback. However my societal and people connections are very much with New Zealanders.
  
  I hope my story is helpful for you.
  
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  September 28, 2019 9:22am
- DigNap15
  
  Somone who does not spend all day watching their own tv channels from China or India.
  Someone who does not send all of their spare cash back home to their families is The Philippines or Thailand.
  A maori person who says they are a New Zealander first and then a Maori (ie none of them)
  
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  September 28, 2019 9:22am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Yep,
  You are a NZer if you hold NZ citizenship.
  
  https://www.govt.nz/browse/passports-citizenship-and-identity/nz-citizenship/types-of-citizenship-grant-birth-and-descent/
  
  You don’t have to be born in NZ or even live here, but if you hold, or are entitled to hold, a NZ Passport, you are a NZer.
  
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  September 28, 2019 9:24am
  - srylands
    
    Yes that is the law. Citizenship is not about what you feel. That is why I think Australia is totally correct in sending New Zealand ferals back to New Zealand.
    
    However separate from the legal position, a legitimate question is how connected someone feels to the country. If you are a Somali man who only mixes with others from Somalia and you subjugate your wife and daughters, you are not connected to New Zealand society. I don’t believe such people should be granted New Zealand citizenship.
    
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    September 28, 2019 9:31am
  - Straight arrow
    
    I think Paginus is not asking about legal requirement. Tony Stuart has good answer.
    
    I like the Swiss concept, which means getting citizenship is not about a piece of paper, but shows integration with local community.
    Lived in Switzerland for 8years
    Pay your taxes
    Be prepared to perform military service. (N/a in NZ)
    Do not break the law.
    Get to know your neighbors.
    Speak French, German, or Italian. (NZ would be English/Maori)
    Maintain a job.
    Show that you have personal and social ties to Switzerland.
    Lived in local canton for minimum period eg 2 years
    Wait 1.5 to 3.5 years after putting in application.
    
    Local community gets a say.
    
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    September 28, 2019 9:45am
    - JibberJabber
      
      LoL
      https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/swiss-passport_dutch-troublemaker-finally-granted-swiss-citizenship/43143162
      
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      September 28, 2019 4:32pm
  - The King
    
    Plastic New Zealanders.
    
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    September 28, 2019 9:58am
  - Tall Man
    
    But some never become Kiwi.
    
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    September 28, 2019 10:00am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    true of every nation
    
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    September 28, 2019 10:41am
  - stephieboy
    
    MW, are you referring to this?
    
    “Dual citizenship”
    
    New Zealand allows dual citizenship or multiple citizenship — but some other countries don’t.
    
    I don’t see a problem with that so long as a passport meets the legislative criteria
    
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    September 28, 2019 10:46am
    - srylands
      
      Whatever that means.
      
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      September 28, 2019 1:46pm
    - Swifty
      
      You really are a fucken creep Stephieboy.
      
      The fact that you carry on like this day after day when you’ve been asked repeatedly not to just shows to us all how deeply fucked up you are.
      
      I used to think you just a joke – now I think you’re a nasty little fucker.
      
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      September 28, 2019 2:22pm
- Steve Todd
  
  I was one of those 24 (now 30) downtickers.
  
  Basically, you’re saying no-one should be able to become a naturalised NZ citizen, as Shazly Rasheed is. That is just nonsense. You should be ashamed of yourself.
  
  In effect, you’re saying, Sukhi Turner should never have been eligible to be mayor of Dunedin, or Celia Wade-Brown mayor of Wellington; John Palino should never have been eligible to run for mayor of Auckland; Julia Gillard should never have been prime minister of Australia; Arnold Schwarzenegger should never have been governor of California; etc. Get the picture?
  
  I agree with the responses you have received from Humble Capitalist (yesterday), and Tony and Maggy (above).
  
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  September 28, 2019 9:56am
  - Tall Man
    
    Not sold on the wade-brown argument old son.
    
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    September 28, 2019 7:56pm
- Shut the hell up you Fascist!
  
  I am at Uluru Ayers Rock. We went on a tour starting at 5:00 am to see the sunrise.
  
  Annoyingly I could not understand our guide. She was from Bejing.
  
  I look forward to Kiwis guiding Chinese on their “Gweat Waar”!
  
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  September 28, 2019 11:39am
Suze Wainwright

Wonderful to see the children exercising their democratic rights along Lambton Quay yesterday lunchtime – proudly supported by their middle-aged ‘encouragers’.
A wide variety of brightly-coloured intersectional banners in sight too…
Also saw some children taking the opportunity to engage in a little bit of capitalism in many of the retail outlets along the way.
Just marvellous!
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September 28, 2019 8:32am
kevn

Now, about the the labour sex pest caper. Where is it at? Any of the many investigations close to the end?
The JA promo tour is drawing to a close, so back to reality and NZ business folks.
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September 28, 2019 8:39am
Rodney Randall

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVq7Ho5FoVo

MonoNeon x Greta Thunberg – “MONEY AND FAIRYTALES”

Interplanetary yo!
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September 28, 2019 8:47am
- Rodney Randall
  
  “This funk is causing climate change. So hot”
  
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  September 28, 2019 8:54am
Gandolfo

Greta means a pearl. A pearl is the result of an irritation in a poor old oyster. She is true to her name, that’s all. She is also a diversion, did you know that consumer and business confidence is falling? It is the economy you must watch, lower interest rates have unintended consequences.
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September 28, 2019 8:49am
- Jack5
  
  Or “Greta” is short form of Margareta:
  
  https://www.behindthename.com/name/greta
  
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  September 28, 2019 5:11pm
chaos

Sadly, the adults behind this scam do not care a damn about the harm they are causing to the young, nits all about their agenda and not about the truth or about the damage they are doing

* Heather du Plessis-Allan: Climate change frenzy is terrifying children

If you’re a parent and you gave permission for your child to go on the climate strike today. I’d like to ask you a question: How scared is your child?

I’m sure not all the kids who went on strike today are scared of climate change. Some would’ve gone along on strike because it was the thing to do today.

But some of the kids who went on strike today are really scared.

I heard a young person on the radio this morning saying billions of people are going to die by 2050*

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/heather-du-plessis-allan-drive/audio/heather-du-plessis-allan-climate-change-frenzy-is-terrifying-children/
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September 28, 2019 8:53am
- chaos
  
  * One of the Auckland strike’s organisers, Marcail Parkinson, 17, said at the event on Friday that “climate dread is one of the biggest mental issues affecting youth”.
  
  “When Greta [Thunberg] did her last UN speech, I had to take the day off school, because I was just so upset that I was finding it hard to eat, I didn’t want to move. I was so stressed out about that,” she said.*
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/116149373/school-strikes-show-growing-sense-of-climate-dread-among-young-people
  
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  September 28, 2019 10:41am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Heartening that they have no real problems in their lives worth stressing about, so have to make them up.
    
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    September 28, 2019 1:27pm
  - Rich Prick
    
    The mass freak-out is hilarious. One reckons she won’t turn 50, another says he will die from sea level rise. Double down I say, put video of geriatric polar bears falling over dead on a permanent loop.
    
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    September 28, 2019 3:37pm
- Nermal
  
  They will get over it (except the snowflakes). In my childhood we were told the end was nigh because of nuclear weapons. Then Global Winter. Then Acid Rain. By that stage I was old enough to discount the never ending litany of doomsayers. What did they all have in common? The red/greens, and their journalist lackeys
  
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  September 28, 2019 1:09pm
  - chaos
    
    It my childhood It was that the big one was going to strike, hmmm, maybe they didn’t mean earthquake. Maybe they were predicting all the strikes a Jacinda government would bring to New Zealand
    
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    September 28, 2019 2:22pm
Happychappy

Anyone have any idea how much worse Jacinda has made climate change with her continual Air Travel around the world in 2019, plus her Air Travel in NZ.
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September 28, 2019 9:03am
- niggly
  
  I read that James Shaw is NZ’s “most traveled” Government Minster … between Ardern and Shaw must be pocketing a lot of air-miles as they belch out tonnes of carbon emissions each trip …. who would have thought two of the most “greenest” MP’s would be the worst offenders (and without the slightest amount of “concern or regret” – so much for a so-called “climate emergency”)!
  
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  September 28, 2019 1:20pm
- Tall Man
  
  I hear the Air Force has named the 757 “The Horsefloat”.
  
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  September 28, 2019 7:17pm
  - Rich Prick
    
    Heh.
    
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    September 28, 2019 11:11pm
chaos

* Fresh claims against Christchurch councillor Deon Swiggs*

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/116164475/christchurch-city-councillor-deon-swiggs-fronts-media?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
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September 28, 2019 9:05am
- Tall Man
  
  psycho will be along soon to show you the error of your ways.
  
  It’s not assault or even naughty unless it is observed by at least 20 labour party members at any one time.
  
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  September 28, 2019 7:16pm
oldpark

Just a comparison. Comparing the massive upsurge for the children joining the Global Warming Myth.
Now said to be a cult . Join in or else say some teachers. Also the cult is said to be funded by the Hungarian Billionaire George Soros on the misinformation and fake news.
The threats to join the cult or else have a somewhat comparison with the Taunts of fellow students and Teachers who used the same type of threats in the days of Hitler and how they went about scaring the life out of fertile young minds to join Hitler Youth. Fear of reprisals overtook logic and common sense.
Are the same tactics being used in NZ? “Surely Not”.Does water run downhill.Go figure.
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September 28, 2019 9:06am
kowtow

Stuff are part of the climate catastrophe crusade .

Good example is this bit of rubbish from a cub reporter .

The heading is about Sea walls , the Dunedin bit jumps straight from sea walls inadequacy to a flood in Waitati with specifics about one flooded house. The problem here is the distinct impression is given that this is a sea level rise issue , when it’s anything but , it was a flooding river in an estuary,that is not detailed.

So no outright lie , but outright deception.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/116100053/sea-walls-protecting-new-zealand-cities-are-losing-their-battle-with-the-ocean-un-report-warns
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September 28, 2019 9:25am
Paginus

So Maggy New Zealanders don’t have a language, culture or values that they must adhere to?
It’s only citizenship that matters, you don’t have to learn anything?
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September 28, 2019 9:44am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  So Maggy New Zealanders don’t have a language, culture or values that they must adhere to?
  
  When in NZ, they must abide by the laws of this country.
  
  If you a child born overseas to a NZ parent and you are registered as a NZ citizen, there is no obligation for you to learn English or Maori to retain your citizenship.
  
  If you are under 14 when you apply for Citizenship, you don’t have to speak English.
  
  https://www.govt.nz/browse/passports-citizenship-and-identity/nz-citizenship/requirements-for-nz-citizenship/requirements-if-youre-a-child/
  
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  September 28, 2019 2:14pm
Fletch

I’ve been listening to the Mark Levin show re: Trump, etc, and Mark reckons that Schiff is the likely leaker. This is the Dems big last punt before the election – they’ve tried everything else. Levin, having been a lawyer, reckons the statement of the whistleblower is too much set out like a brief – footnotes, etc – and that he likely had help, perhaps from Senate Democrats.

The whole thing is disgusting, really. The Democrats have spent the whole of their last three years with the one objective of getting Trump. No energy expended on helping the American people by looking at immigration, healthcare, etc, and trying to fix those things.

What a waste of time.
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September 28, 2019 9:45am
KevO'Brien

Dangerous alarmism rebuked:
https://www.nzcpr.com/newsletter/
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September 28, 2019 9:46am
kowtow

I see Chris Trotsky has joined the climate catastrophe herd with a piece in Bowalley about priveliged shreiking Swede teen sensation .

He’s calling her a seer , prophetess , a Cassandra.

Only problem is his prophetess is no such thing , she’s a tool used by rich elites to smash the west and who has simply like the others also jumped on a band wagon.

Nothing special about that is there ?

http://bowalleyroad.blogspot.com/2019/09/the-curse-of-cassandra.html
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September 28, 2019 9:50am
- The King
  
  Funny how he applies the Trojan horse theory to something like climate change and not immigration- which is literally a modern day Trojan horse.
  
  Same horse, just painted with “diversity is our strength ” on the side of it.
  
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  September 28, 2019 1:24pm
- Tall Man
  
  “She’s a tool”. There, fixed it for you.
  
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  September 28, 2019 7:09pm
All_on_Red

According to U.K. Media, Boris has had a ‘terrible’ week.

Westminster voting intention:
CON: 33% (+3)
LAB: 22% (-1)
LDEM: 22% (-)
BREX: 14% (-)
GRN: 6% (+1)
UKIP: 1% (+1)

via @YouGov, 24 – 25 Sep
Chgs. w/ 20 Sep
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September 28, 2019 9:52am
- Tall Man
  
  Now, would you say they are a tad biased?
  
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  September 28, 2019 10:01am
- stephieboy
  
  All on Red, why anyone should be surprised or even disappointed (maybe like you) is quite beyond me!
  
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  September 28, 2019 10:37am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    What do you reckon about Metallica pulling out of their NZ tour? Just tragic!
    
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    September 28, 2019 7:01pm
Michael Rodent

If you are worried about the climate alarmists and the validity of the “science” they are putting out this will be of interest :

https://youtu.be/8455KEDitpU
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September 28, 2019 9:54am
Steve Todd

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September 28, 2019 9:54am
Alex13

For those who may be interested:
https://1.org.nz/different-perspectives-on-israel-the-minto-vs-cumin-debate/
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September 28, 2019 10:01am
Tall Man

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/heather-du-plessis-allan-drive/audio/retirement-commissions-aim-to-close-retirement-wealth-gender-gap/

Stuff like this annoys the shit out of me.

Where has “personal responsibility” gone. If you choose to be a “consumer” and not a “saver”, why the fuck should I fund your “saving”?

And please don’t tell me that they can’t afford to save. They choose to spend every last cent then look to the tax payer for more.

I have not always been in the upper income zone and my parents definitely weren’t yet, despite an asset stripping divorce my wife and I are now very comfy and will face a comfortable retirement.

There are only the two of us most of the time and we do eat very well but I struggle to drive the grocery bill over $100 per week.
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September 28, 2019 10:10am
- MCos
  
  An example of how people can tun through their savings.
  A friend of mine contracted terminal cancer and died less than a year later at aged 63.
  For a good part of that his wife stopped work to look after him.
  After he died she found it impossible to find similar work due to depression and her age.
  To help out her daughter and family moved into the house.
  Not a great isea, as it turned out.
  They weren’t extravagant people.
  Funeral cost a fortune.
  A death, stroke, heart attack can knock the stuffing out of some people’s plans.
  
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  September 28, 2019 2:44pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    For the elderly falls are particularly catastrophic. A recent fall was not the first of our family friends who have slipped and broken bones. The surgery has left them unable to be cared for and they have gone straight to a permanent nursing home.
    
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    September 28, 2019 4:58pm
  - Tall Man
    
    An extravagant funeral is a giveaway that they weren’t always making great choices however, I have no problem with welfare for genuine cases but I have a real problem with “lifestyle” welfare and we have shitloads of those.
    
    We often get the “Scandinavian” model thrown at us but I suggest those that think it is a fucking great idea should look at the limits applied to welfare and those that seek to “rort” the system.
    
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    September 28, 2019 6:55pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  If it’s any consolation Tall Man, my partners mum spends about the same.
  But then she eats out 6 nights a week.
  
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  September 28, 2019 2:53pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Come on Maggie, Krispy Kremes aren’t really eating out 😉
    
    Down our way, $15.00 buys 3 fish, 1 sausage, 2 potato fritters and a couple of scoops of fish. That’s a days food for one. A Chinese meal for $14.00 easily does 2 main meals with rice.
    
    I enjoy cooking so am always whipping up a “wonder” meal.
    
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    September 28, 2019 7:06pm
KevO'Brien

National defy Mallard
ODT reports that Simon has said that National has no intention of taking the videos down.
Good–someone has to stand up for Parliamentary freedom. The PT PM has too much–let her return to child minding.

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/national-defies-speakers-attack-ad-ruling-%E2%80%93-keeps-videos
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September 28, 2019 10:16am
- Chuck Bird
  
  How is this for a doctored video?
  
  Aussie Greta Thunberg
  
  https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1146024342272201
  
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  September 28, 2019 3:14pm
  - chaos
    
    Voice fits her better too
    
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    September 28, 2019 5:35pm
  - Tall Man
    
    That girl is a puppet with invisible string. The contorted face reveals a very disturbed individual.
    
    Watch without sound and you will be worried.
    
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    September 28, 2019 6:50pm
Chuck Bird

There is an excellent article on New Zealand Centre for Political Research by Melanie Phillips

https://www.nzcpr.com/the-extinction-of-reason/

You can also go straight to this video

My Gift To Climate Alarmists

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8455KEDitpU&feature=youtu.be
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September 28, 2019 10:24am
- RW Capitalist
  
  Conspiracy alert
  I clicked on your 2nd link, 30 seconds in, my computer shut down announcing an error, then rebooted.
  
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  September 28, 2019 1:43pm
slightlyrighty

“Lovely country we live in where people are too scared to be named.”

This is the last line from DPF’s post this morning about Shane Jones.

This is why I post under a pseudonym, as I have a distinctive name. I know that some of the things I believe would activate the activists, and a quick google search would identify my employer.

Isn’t it funny how those on the left have the freedom to do as they see fit, but those who lean to the right have to constantly check themselves?
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September 28, 2019 10:25am
- Chuck Bird
  
  slightlyrighty, many people like you have a good reason to use a pseudonym. What annoys me is those who use one to make personal attacks against others who do not.
  
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  September 28, 2019 1:43pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    What annoys me is those who use one to make personal attacks against others who do not.
    
    Sure, it is annoying, but it is also highly informative.
    
    It says a lot about the character (or lack of c) of the person making the attacks.
    
    Basically they are the types of folk you would choose not to associate with.
    
    At least on a blog, others see them in action and can dismiss their opinions as those of a bully/coward/abuser, etc.
    
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    September 28, 2019 3:56pm
    - Steve Todd
      
      Pretty much exactly what I said in response to you, at General Debate, on Sunday, 11 August, Maggy.
      
      While I accept that some KBers have good reasons to use a pseudonym, a great many use one, in my opinion, because they want to give free rein to their alter ego – their alternative personality – to say the most disgusting, nasty and reprehensible things, safe in the knowledge that no-one knows who they are, not because they “have a business and public profile” (or whatever). (Quite frankly, it’s puerile and pathetic.)
      
      In other words, such people are just what you say they are: cowards (in particular), bullies, abusers, etc. And yes, having identified what they are, we can dismiss their opinions, accordingly.
      
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      September 28, 2019 9:01pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Using a pseudonym should not preclude one from calling an idiot an idiot. Responding to the bullshit that people like psycho, martin or steffy doesn’t need a soft approach and will not receive one from me.
    
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    September 28, 2019 6:46pm
    - Martin Williams
      
      Equally, your psychotic, wing-nut ranting needs the ridicule it deserves.
      
      In spades.
      
      Happy to oblige.
      
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      September 29, 2019 6:31pm
- Jules99
  
  I use nom de plume because I run a business that employs people. If someone took exception to my words, they could track me down and destroy my business, leading to unemployment for several parents.
  
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  September 28, 2019 4:13pm
Prince

Samoan Motu Matu’u (the second high tackle yellow card against Russia) has received a 3 week ban.
Crazy. He flew up and leapt into the ball carrier shoulder and arm first.
Should have been 6 weeks at least.
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September 28, 2019 10:27am
Yadayada

Garner is striking back on Stuff. Good on’em

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/116165358/heres-real-climate-action-cancel-christmas-free-fees-and-no-free-lunches

Excellent truth telling
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September 28, 2019 10:35am
- mandk
  
  How about adding kids should attend the nearest available school and not be permitted motorised transport to get there unless it is now than 5 km away?
  
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  September 28, 2019 2:48pm
wreck1080

Aussies should send this kiwi home!!!Good, what a monster!

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12271761

I don’t care if it was his first time, this is brutal.
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September 28, 2019 10:38am
- Greg Ettridge
  
  Interesting to see if he reoffends in NZ, many do.
  I am sure his family can join him in NZ but this never seems to happen.
  Also interesting to know what percentage of families follow deportees back to NZ.
  
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  September 28, 2019 2:19pm
Brian McDonald

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Something for the Trump fans v opposers. I read a timeline last night that purported to be accurate. One of the implications was that Trump himself stopped the military aid payment (2 weeks I think) before the partially released call, 2 days? after which the payment was made. I remember reading around the time of the election tradespeople saying they had done work for Trump but not getting paid, until eventually Trump made them a take or leave it offer.
Other people will know but I do not, though it seems he was/is a very hands on person. So fleshing out the timeline to its projected target – the next election. A hands on guy might see that dealing to Biden could be achieved by blowing up details around the ‘fired prosecutor’ and the aid money could be used as a lever to fix establish that.
I know the transcript is an edited version with its release controlled by the White House I gather, which brings a big question that centres around 1 word perhaps, ‘favour.’
It’s all reading reasonably clear with the opportunity to say ‘favour’ was out of context and that it was included in the release in order to show nothing was being hidden. That’s a bit hard to swallow and both sides will dig in over that.
Then followed something with a hint of desperation about it, we saw a press meeting where both Trump and Zelenskiy were in attendance. Trump asked Zelenskiy if he’d felt pressured during the phone conversation(s.) To no one’s surprise he said no.
In the meantime Giuliani’s role is further examined.
https://nz.yahoo.com/news/guiliani-ukraine-push-flummoxed-diplomats-180027977.html
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September 28, 2019 10:47am
- Tall Man
  
  Who cares?
  
  Why do you care?
  
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  September 28, 2019 10:54am
  - chaos
    
    Labour tactic to try distract people from the the scandals around our government.
    
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    September 28, 2019 1:33pm
- Vory v zakone
  
  Yeah well here’s Rudy’s version ?
  ‘Lesson for those who have integrity. Never, like Shiffless (Shiff), make charges based on pure hearsay. I didn’t when the allegations of Ukraine illegal influence on 2016 election were presented, I got direct witnesses, video tapes and incriminating documents to prove it. Watch and Wait!
  
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  September 28, 2019 11:15am
- ross411
  
  Word salad. You need to take a breath before posting something you think means something, and try and convey it in a way people can understand.
  
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  September 28, 2019 11:30am
Swifty

The Chinese Communist Party doing what they do best:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12271757

The trouble for them, and I hope some party lacky here in NZ or elsewhere reads this, the Chinese has told its own citizens and the world so many lies for so long that we now can’t believe a word they say.
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September 28, 2019 10:56am
The King

Congratulations stuff,NZ media,government.

Now Kiwi kids are going to kill themselves because of YOU.

But that was plan all along anyway wasn’t it.

“Marcail Parkinson, 17, said at the event on Friday that “climate dread is one of the biggest mental issues affecting youth”.

“When Greta [Thunberg] did her last UN speech, I had to take the day off school, because I was just so upset that I was finding it hard to eat, I didn’t want to move. I was so stressed out about that,”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/116149373/school-strikes-show-growing-sense-of-climate-dread-among-young-people
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September 28, 2019 11:00am
Maggie Pie

What a night. My partner txt me yesterday from the city:

“Still caught up in that f-ing climate march on Queen street. Never seen so many great unwashed in same place at one time. Can tell by just looking at them 99% wouldnt even no why they there. Could be late home. Dont bath”

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFcYHjyUwAAk9aF?format=jpg&name=small
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September 28, 2019 11:04am
Gravelroad

My brother (who was a good few years older than me) was part of a generation which showed a “growing sense of dread” when Dad was compulsorily sent off half way across the world to fight for our freedom in World War 2.
I am not being facetious when I suggest that young people today who are suffering stress and anxiety about the climate maybe should read up about our war veterans and see how they coped with actual life threatening events.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/116149373/school-strikes-show-growing-sense-of-climate-dread-among-young-people
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September 28, 2019 11:09am
- Swifty
  
  “Pressure is a Messerschmitt up your arse, playing cricket is not” – Keith Miller, Australian cricket legend & RAAF pilot, WWII.
  
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  September 28, 2019 1:53pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Doesn’t look like these school children were out climate protesting
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-09-27/nigerian-school-housed-hundreds-of-capitives-mostly-children/11556650
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September 28, 2019 11:11am
Maggy Wassilieff

https://www.theepochtimes.com/how-climate-change-pseudoscience-became-publicly-accepted_3093372.html
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September 28, 2019 11:17am
- stephieboy
  
  MW, with these kinds of qualifications,
  
  Nir J. Shaviv
  
  “..Although he is skeptical of man-made climate change, he stresses that there are a “dozen good reasons why we should strive to burn less fossil fuels.” His two primary reasons are pollution and depletion. He is in favor of developing cheap energy alternatives such as wind and solar power”
  
  https://www.desmogblog.com/nir-shaviv
  
  and
  
  https://web.archive.org/web/20161006185354/https://courses.seas.harvard.edu/climate/eli/Courses/global-change-debates/Sources/03-Cosmic-rays/2-shaviv-blog-Carbon_Dioxide_or_Solar_Forcing.pdf
  
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  September 28, 2019 2:05pm
  - The King
    
    Steph with the jew scientist, go then, tell me how much C02 a phosphorous bomb emits on a burning Palestinian kid.
    
    Go tell the jews to stop bombing Syria,Lebanon,Iraq,Gaza strip.
    
    Yeah you’re not going too are you.
    
    You people are so full of shit.
    
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    September 28, 2019 2:36pm
    - stephieboy
      
      The King at least nor your kind of anti-Jewish shit!
      
      https://www.history.com/topics/holocaust/anti-semitism
      
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      September 28, 2019 2:59pm
      - The King
        
        An ‘anti-semite’ is someone jews hate.
        
        Prove me wrong.
        
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        September 28, 2019 5:21pm
    - rangitoto
      
      None.
      
      P4 (s) + 5 O2 (g) → P4O10 (s)
      
      This chemical reaction is endorsed by the Greens as no CO2 is generated.
      
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      September 28, 2019 3:14pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Have you the economic credentials to evaluate wind or solar power.
    I have. Both are a farce. Did you know wind steals energy?
    
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    September 28, 2019 4:44pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    If you intended listing Nir Shaviv’s qualifications, then you should have done so…
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nir_Shaviv
    
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    September 28, 2019 5:30pm
Captain Mainwaring

18 comments by 12.16pm !!!!!!!!
Moderators on strike today?
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September 28, 2019 12:18pm
- sooty
  
  ECHO, EChoo, echoooo.
  
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  September 28, 2019 12:26pm
- Gravelroad
  
  Sorry captain, downticked in error.
  Won’t matter though cause you won’t see this post any time soon!
  
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  September 28, 2019 12:29pm
RW Capitalist

2 hours to Mod: my comments? REALLY?
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September 28, 2019 12:23pm
John Warren

Where are the moderators? Did somebody forget to set their alarm clock? This kind of slackness will destroy the conversation on KB.

[Mod: The moderators have lives too. I’ve been out doing a community service project this morning. We do our best, but we’re not always sat at a computer waiting for your comments.]
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September 28, 2019 12:36pm
- MCos
  
  What do we want?
  
  MODERATION!!
  
  When do we want it?
  
  NOW!!
  
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  WHY ARE YOU ALWAYS LATE!!
  
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  September 28, 2019 4:41pm
  - chaos
    
    Climate change, moderators are saving energy consumption to save the planet, also known as rugby is on
    
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    September 28, 2019 5:34pm
  - Tall Man
    
    It has destroyed the ebb and flow on this blog.
    
    It’s a real shame as I thought the report function worked well.
    
    My understanding was that the blog owner could not be held liable for comments made unless they were negligent in removing anything that shouldn’t be there after being apprised of the comment.
    
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    September 28, 2019 6:37pm
    - artemisia
      
      Would it be feasible to allow comments straight through from posters who have never had a strike, and then rely on the report function to moderate a post or issue a strike.
      
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      September 29, 2019 8:19am
- John Warren
  
  Good for you, but it doesn’t change the fact that moderation was appallingly slow for a Saturday morning. Seriously, such slackness just pisses everybody off and will ruin the site. If people can’t get a conversation going here because comments take hours to appear, then what’s the point? Perhaps the mods need to work out a bit of a schedule so that things are more evenly covered?
  
  [Mod: you should address your grump to DPF]
  
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  September 28, 2019 6:23pm
  - John Warren
    
    It’s right here for him to read!
    
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    September 28, 2019 10:03pm
- nasska
  
  …..”we’re not always sat at a computer waiting for your comments.”……
  
  Then, why did you volunteer for the job? May I suggest that you apologise to DPF for your part in wrecking his blog, move aside & let someone else who has an interest in free flowing debate to take your position.
  
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  September 28, 2019 9:09pm
Jack5

Balmy Becroft supports votes for 16-year-olds but thinks 17-year-olds are too immature to face adult courts.

Bob Edlin at Point of Order has a good post on this:

https://pointofordernz.wordpress.com/2019/09/28/becroft-reckons-we-are-too-young-and-impulsive-at-age-17-to-be-treated-as-adults-in-court-but-we-are-fit-to-vote-at-age-16/
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September 28, 2019 1:10pm
- DigNap15
  
  (0% voted against young ones getting the vote on TV3 am show
  Shows how out of touch Becroft is!
  
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  September 28, 2019 4:22pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  My respect for Becroft has just dropped 25 notches.
  
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  September 28, 2019 4:41pm
MH

Greta has announced she has been selected to play the demonic possessed girl in a remake of the film Exorcist.
I told her heads would spin in schools all over the whirld.
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September 28, 2019 1:42pm
- stephieboy
  
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  MH, keep up the churlishness and infantilism!
  
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  September 28, 2019 2:06pm
  - pentwig
    
    steffie the stalker just cannot resist!!
    
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    September 28, 2019 2:24pm
  - Greg Ettridge
    
    There could be serious money in this
    Jacinda’s “Miss twenty past 8″look assistant as the mother.
    Jacko as Director and bag man.
    Jacinda could play the face of the demon. She would need a little makeup to play Pazuzu’s face, but wonderful the transformations achieved these days.
    Box office hit to be sure.
    
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    September 28, 2019 2:35pm
  - lilman
    
    Infantilism-Stephie get your head out of kids knickers.
    
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    September 28, 2019 6:06pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Love the typo. Most missed it – even stupid boy
  
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  September 28, 2019 6:34pm
Swifty

Women talking about women versus transgender rights at Massey are ‘akin to breeding hate’ according to some:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/116144130/banned-from-twitter-but-welcome-at-massey-radical-feminist-group-to-host-event

‘This event is marketed as controversial, and will bring more radical, exclusionary, hateful voices onto our campus who we should not be welcoming. Being complicit in these kinds of conversations is akin to breeding hate towards members of our Massey community who are already marginalised.’

Or in plain speak – ‘We don’t like what they’re saying so they must be silenced!!!!!!!’
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September 28, 2019 2:12pm
MH

what is a NZer ? is he/she one who would take up an offer from the king Of Saudi for an all expenses trip to visit the Hajj whilst the King’s son Prince Bin Salman is directly implicated in the butchering to death of journalist Jamal Khashoggi in Istanbul whilst his fiance waited outside the Saudi embassy? Or would they at least say a little prayer for Jamal as they walk around the Kaaba (the most sacred site in Islam) seven times, in a counterclockwise direction; the first three circuits at a hurried pace on the outer part of the crowd, followed by four times closer to the Kaaba at a leisurely pace. Would they perhaps cast the next stone at the King’s daughter Bint Salman, for having her bodyguard beat up an employee in France and sentenced in absentia? Surely not one of us would accept such a bloodied offer ? Surely Ja-incinderator would talk to the in and out man down at her local Canterbury Crusaders mosque and persuade him that it isn’t a good kiwi look. Too late they have gone already, not a word of condemnation from the MSMs.
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September 28, 2019 2:12pm
The King

According to a newly released BJS (Bureau of Justice Statistics) report, there were 593,598 interracial violent victimizations between blacks and whites last year. Blacks committed 537,204 of those interracial felonies, or 90 percent, and whites committed less than 10 percent.

90%

Wow. That’s alot of black supremacy the medias not talking much about.

https://www.city-journal.org/democratic-candidates-racism-crime
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September 28, 2019 5:28pm
Tall Man

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/09/opinion-why-white-middle-aged-men-are-so-angry-with-greta-thunberg.html

What a fuckwit.

Obviously a mate of the other non male fuckwit cunliffe.

Looks like this comment will fade into the unknown with nothing appearing for over 4 hours.

Ain’t moderation great at keeping ardern nice and “safe”.
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September 28, 2019 6:32pm
- John Warren
  
  You have noticed, then, that many of these articles are written by self-loathing, impotent middle-class white males.
  
  Pale, stale and proud here. Fuck ’em all.
  
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  September 28, 2019 10:08pm
- The King
  
  “why Mark Longley failed as a parent and let his daughter get murdered by a psychopathic half-breed”
  
  He’s trying to protect Greta because he failed to protect his own daughter.
  
  Failed father syndrome many such cases.
  
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  September 28, 2019 11:09pm
  - John Warren
    
    Oh! The penny just dropped. I hadn’t noticed the tagline. Longley will forever have my enormous sympathy over what he went through, but I cannot excuse that article.
    
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    September 29, 2019 8:36am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Daylight saving will be restored. Get your fucking arse out of bed.
The rest? Wake up one hour early to get to the pokies
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September 28, 2019 7:00pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Mt partners mum was saying it’s actually those poor blighters with dyslexia
  we should feel sorry for. Their cocks go black in April.
  
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  September 28, 2019 7:11pm
  - chaos
    
    Oh, is April anal month?
    
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    September 28, 2019 7:43pm
Fletch

If any further proof were needed that the whole “whistleblower” think is a setup – it now turns out that the intelligence community changed the law around whistleblowers right before this complaint was released against Trump.

BREAKING: Federal records show that the intelligence community secretly revised the formal whistleblower complaint form in August 2019 to eliminate the requirement of direct, first-hand knowledge of wrongdoing.https://t.co/R3BXndeYgc

— Ryan Saavedra (@RealSaavedra) September 27, 2019

The brand new version of the whistleblower complaint form, which was not made public until after the transcript of Trump’s July 25 phone call with the Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky and the complaint addressed to Congress were made public, eliminates the first-hand knowledge requirement and allows employees to file whistleblower complaints even if they have zero direct knowledge of underlying evidence and only “heard about [wrongdoing] from others.”

Let’s face it. The whole thing is a hit-job on Trump, from the changing of this law to the highly detailed ‘complaint’
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September 28, 2019 9:53pm
Hugh Pavletich

… CHINA … HONG KONG …

There is no shortage of ideas to boost land for affordable homes in Hong Kong. But do Carrie Lam and Beijing have the political will to overhaul the system? … South China Morning Post

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/hong-kong-economy/article/3030560/there-shortage-ideas-boost-land-affordable-homes

• In a new series delving beyond the social unrest in Hong Kong to survey the city’s deep-rooted problems, the Post is focusing on the role of housing in causing great disaffection in society

• In this third instalment, we look at the high land price system that has contributed to today’s problem of unaffordable housing and the array of solutions available to the government if a complete overhaul is a bridge too far … read more via hyperlink above …

Chart …
https://cdn.i-scmp.com/sites/default/files/d8/images/methode/2019/09/27/e74f976e-e033-11e9-94c8-f27aa1da2f45_image_hires_180848.jpg

2019 15th Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey

http://www.demographia.com/dhi.pdf

Housing Affordability Ratings … Median Multiples … All Markets

Australia 5.7
Canada 4.0
China (Hong Kong) 20.9
Ireland 3.7
New Zealand 6.5
Singapore 4.6
United Kingdom 4.8
United States 3.5
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