General Debate 25 September 2019

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So, the school decile system is to be replaced with a new Equity Index. The alleged problem this new index is supposed to solve is the “stigmatisation of low-decile schools”.

Translation – Labour doesn’t like parents using deciles as a metric of school quality, so they’re attempting to muddy the waters by replacing deciles with a needlessly more complicated formula.

It won’t work. Whatever formula they use, ultimately the schools that will need more funding are the schools that have the most issues. The Equity Index will just replace deciles as a proxy for school quality.
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September 25, 2019 8:03am
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  Ah, change! A wonderful tool used by incompetents to create the illusion of progress!
  
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  September 25, 2019 8:09am
- marcw
  
  But the ‘new’ metric will require a whole new army of clip boards, pens, and more offices in Wellington to house the swarm of shiny pants union flag waving drones. Not to mention the annual reviews of the reviews.
  
  Sir Bob will be smiling again.
  
  End result: parents will compare school equity index rather than decile.
  
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  September 25, 2019 8:42am
  - Tall Man
    
    You forgot long soxs with biros stuck down the leg…… and cardigans.
    
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    September 25, 2019 8:59am
  - Prince
    
    And the new ‘Fairness Equity Comprehensive Wellbeing Index’ will be more available to pork barrel Labour/Green/NZF pollies to manipulate to their advantage.
    
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    September 25, 2019 9:50am
- srylands
  
  The most important reason low decile schools perform poorly relative to high decile schools is the family background of the kids. AS NZIER has demonstrated, if you strip out those effects, many low decile schools have fine teachers doing their best.
  
  https://twitter.com/EricCrampton/status/1175853711060434944
  
  And here comes the problem if you agree with the NZIER analysis. Maori are heavily represented in low decile schools. So you can be accused of “blaming the (Maori) families” for their children’s poor education outcomes. Instead, schools and teachers are urged to “do better” and be more attuned to the needs and culture of Maori students. And of course nothing changes because, generally, (there are always exceptions) it is not the schools that are the problem. If a child comes from a dysfunctional home with (say) drug addicted parents, they WILL fail in school unless they can be rescued.
  
  Conversely, you could grab an intelligent child from a functional family with two parents with high levels of education and send that kid to a reasonably functional Decile 1 school. They would almost certainly do fine. So why might that still be a bad idea? Well it would not be a terrible idea, but the kid would miss out on a bunch of opportunities that are present in Decile 7 -10 schools but absent in Decile 1 schools because there is no money (e.g. school trips to France etc.). However to repeat, the “disadvantage” is not usually with the quality of the teachers and teaching. The disadvantage is simply a function of the resources that are available, the capacity of the families, and the generally get poor governance you get at Decile 1 schools.
  
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  September 25, 2019 9:41am
  - Straight arrow
    
    NZ Initiative produced report, not NZIER.
    
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    September 25, 2019 10:57am
    - srylands
      
      Yes thanks for correcting.
      
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      September 25, 2019 11:31am
  - cmm
    
    I think you are mainly correct, but there’s more.
    
    It is not just the crap parents, but the kids themselves that then take those attitudes and infect the whole school.
    
    I know a highly successful family where both parents are doctors and the family environment favours learning etc.
    
    However they live in a part of the country where the schools are packed with kids from low-performing families.
    
    The kids are under enormous pressure from their peers to wag school and, generally, be losers. The parents push for success, but it is a constant battle.
    
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    September 25, 2019 5:29pm
- Komata
  
  Than@0803
  
  Don’t forget that, under ‘socialism’ ALL (except the leadership) are ‘EQUAL’ and that no-one must be better than others.
  
  As a result for someone to actually do well (or even worse WANT to do well) is an affront to the socialist’s ideological principles, so must be forced to conform OR ELSE!
  
  This has, of course, been tried before (Ruthe Richardson’s ‘Level Playing Fields’ comes to mind) and is, as before just a variation on same, with the underlying, but never stated intention of catching the Maori / PI vote cos ‘Look what we’ve done for you’, will always entice a few of the gullible.
  
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  September 25, 2019 11:06am
- MH
  
  I’d consider replacing with a Body Mass Index Al-Gore-rhythm, an inconvenient truth.
  
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  September 25, 2019 4:37pm
Maggie Pie

I watched Question Time yesterday. The thing that really caught my attention was when Megan Woods stood to answer Q5. She was wearing a frock with a ‘Krispy Kreme’ doughnut pattern down the front….

https://vimeo.com/361956225
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September 25, 2019 8:10am
- chaos
  
  Interesting you say that as I have an exclusive photo from the labour caucus meeting
  
  http://www.pwengbee.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/pig-joke.jpg
  
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  September 25, 2019 8:32am
  - Tall Man
    
    More appropriate?
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-3e0EkvIEM
    
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    September 25, 2019 8:58am
  - pdm
    
    Apt as Megan Woods has been known as Miss Piggy in our house from before the 2017 election campaign.
    
    So named by mrspdm.
    
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    September 25, 2019 10:23am
    - igm
      
      She is also known as “Foam Fingers” in many homes . . . don’t know about the pie warmer at Bellamys.
      
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      September 25, 2019 1:38pm
- Bill felt
  
  No Maggie. The doughnuts are on the inside!
  
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  September 25, 2019 8:33am
- calendar girl
  
  Well spotted, Maggie Pie.
  
  (Curiously, if a bloke had posted that same comment it would have been labelled sexist or misogynistic!)
  
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  September 25, 2019 8:47am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    The only reason i noticed it CG, was because i often have Krispy Kreme down the front of me as well
    
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    September 25, 2019 9:19am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Wait ! Did you just presume Maggie’s gender ?
    
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    September 25, 2019 9:21am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  a bit of native advertising or product placement?
  
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  September 25, 2019 8:53am
- John Warren
  
  Was it not simply Krispy Kreme donuts spilled down the front of her dress?
  
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  September 25, 2019 9:59am
  - Deadly pony
    
    Occam’s razor! I like it.
    
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    September 25, 2019 12:50pm
GazzaW

Are any KBers having ongoing reception problems with Spark Sport? I have a new professionally installed smart TV with the Spark app preloaded, we have fibre and had no problems with Spark Sport test runs prior to the start of RWC. Despite Spark’s announcements that all is now OK we are still having major problems with RWC broadcasts freezing etc. Is Spark telling the truth that all is well?
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September 25, 2019 8:10am
- Tony Stuart
  
  I didn’t watch last night’s match (apart from a few minutes on the iPad, prior to nodding off), but I have had minimal problems with the stream so far. There was a bit of flickering on Saturday night, but that’s been all so far.
  
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  September 25, 2019 8:32am
  - Ruawai
    
    #metoo all good in Franklin, I wonder if it is certain areas getting poor coverage?
    
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    September 25, 2019 8:43am
- cmm
  
  The problems might not be from the Spark network but from the feed that they are getting. I heard that South Africans watching on MTN (major Springbok sponsors, har, har) couldn’t watch the last quarter of the match.
  
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  September 25, 2019 8:43am
  - JackRabbit
    
    It would appear the problems when they first appeared were within Sparks infrastructure.
    
    If some customers can get a clean uninterrupted stream, and others can’t, it won’t be the feed that Spark are receiving. It will come down to the weakest link in the chain. Which will either be Spark’s distribution network at a top level, right down to local exchanges, which might be overloaded in some areas, or in the Wi-Fi in the home.
    
    I wouldn’t use SA as a comparison, as SA has always had problems with infrastructure failures, with rolling outages of power, networks etc. All due to cutting back on maintenance and upgrades in the last decade or two, to divert money to nepotism within the corrupt government.
    
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    September 25, 2019 11:39am
- Scott
  
  I got Spark sport to follow the premier league football and the reception is very patchy. I have my smart phone connected to my TV with a cable and its sometimes watchable and sometimes not. The best reception is my laptop connected to the modem by an Ethernet cable.
  I initially tried chromecast but that was no good.
  YouTube streams well to my TV on chromecast.
  But to me Spark sport is a step back to unstable coverage and poor picture quality. Almost back to the days of bunny ears aerials and fuzzy reception.
  Sky sport with crystal clear reception is so much better.
  
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  September 25, 2019 9:00am
- alex Masterley
  
  I have a brand new unprofessionally installed smart TV, me and the 14yr old (supervised by the 12 yr old), with Spark Sport which seems to work ok.
  
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  September 25, 2019 9:18am
  - chaos
    
    14 and 12 year old, so you hired the experts. My rule to anyway having tech issues, ask a kid for help, they know more than the help desk
    
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    September 25, 2019 10:13am
- chaos
  
  Are you using wifi, if so try connecting your tv directly and seeing if that is better or try a different channel on your modem
  
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  September 25, 2019 9:53am
- Prince
  
  My setup sounds the same as yours and I had no problems last 2 nights.
  
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  September 25, 2019 9:58am
- Bell-47
  
  @ Gazza, Regardless of of your brand new TV the bottle neck is always the wireless network. I’m assuming your TV connects wirelessly? If your ISP is Spark and you are using their Huawei modem as your access point, you may well have problems. While a good modem, the wireless coverage is next to useless unless you live in a 1 room apartment and don’t have too many devices connected. The more devices connected passive or otherwise will degrade speed quite quickly. The 5GHz portion of the network has very poor range also compounding issues because your devices will hop to he 2.4GHz automatically. If possible, cable the TV to router. If not I suggest you look into a wireless mesh system such as Netgear Orbi. I have 300M2 covered at full speed upstairs and down with average 120 to 250Mb/sec throughout the household. ( I have Gb Fibre) The Spark router was useless and could not use Chromecast in the downstairs lounge or Apple TV and the bedrooms upstairs were no better than 3Mb/sec previously. I highly recommend the Orbi systems if you don’t have wired connections available.
  
  A lot of faith is placed in he Spark supplied routers but the truth is they are very average (probably why they are free). You can replace the router with a much more expensive Netgear Nighthawk for $1000 but router changes are not for the faint of heart where all things IT are concerned. I have watched 2 games this week with not a single glitch streaming from both my phone and my laptop wirelessly to my TV. I have a multitude of other devices connected to my wireless network and have not seen a single problem since I installed the Orbi system. The difference is this is a true mesh system and not just wireless extenders (which by the way are also next to useless if the signal they are repeating is already weak).
  
  https://www.netgear.com/orbi/
  
  I have the 3 module system and as I mentioned, I have 300 M2 over 2 levels with and average of 180Mb/sec in every room. Prior to Gb upgrade I had 90Mb/sec in every room. The Orbi system also allows wired connections which I use in my home theatre room for Apple TV and my Amplifier (Spotify and so on). Let me know if you need a few tips and I can help out.
  
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  September 25, 2019 10:20am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Another hazard is that the router may have a special setting disabled which would otherwise allow chromecasting. I got a moderately advanced mode/router from Slingshot (Callplus) with my fibre broadband. A particular setting had been turned off at the factory. My son in law took one look at the settings and instantly new what to change.
    
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    September 25, 2019 3:09pm
- pdm
  
  The only problem we have had was losing the last 7 or 8 minutes of the Australia/Fiji game. Didn’t really matter as Aussies had the game well won by then.
  
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  September 25, 2019 10:26am
  - GazzaW
    
    Thank you all for your advice which I will now work through and hopefully reach a good resolution!
    
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    September 25, 2019 1:26pm
Lee C

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9_bI789Gog
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September 25, 2019 8:11am
- Liberty
  
  How could anyone down tick that very informative video?
  Some people must live sad lives.
  
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  September 25, 2019 9:20am
  - Biscuit
    
    Liberty, think of Lee C’s effort as a public service.
    
    By encouraging 3 (as at 1.45pm) folk to downtick it, a cat has escaped being kicked, a toy hasn’t been thrown out of a cot, a car hasn’t been chased, an expletive or 69 hasn’t been uttered, some innocent party (I’m thinking here of the Labour Party downtickers) hasn’t been abused.assaulted/worse.
    
    But I agree with you re the ‘sad’…
    
    Downtickers, why not EXPAND on your angst in a reply to the original post?
    
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    September 25, 2019 1:45pm
  - tf78
    
    Bloody eggs!
    
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    September 25, 2019 4:33pm
- Frank Thomas
  
  Fcukin’ brilliant!!!!!!
  
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  September 25, 2019 9:32am
Tarquin North

Yet another stunning example of clarity and transparency from the worst government ever.
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September 25, 2019 8:12am
cmm

But it sounds far more caring…

The 19 year-old polsci students really don’t have a clue.
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September 25, 2019 8:12am
- slightlyrighty
  
  Remember when the word “Retarded” was replaced by “Special”.
  
  well, all I can say is this government is kind of special….
  
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  September 25, 2019 8:14am
  - Tall Man
    
    Their window licking is costing the country plenty.
    
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    September 25, 2019 8:45am
  - lifesgood
    
    Now that everyone knows that “special” means “retarded”, what’s the betting “special” will become a wicked word and we will have to go back to using “retarded”. LOL.
    
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    September 25, 2019 9:57am
Tall Man

Imagine if in 2008 the incoming National government had stated that “capitalism had failed” so rather than do anything they would form 200 plus working groups at a cost in excess of $300 million and then travel the world on our dollar until those groups had managed to write a report.

Would the GFC impact on NZ been mitigated? Would they have so ably managed not one but two major seismic events? Would our country have become the envy of the world in both economic management and well-being improvements for our people?

labour = incompetence at the highest level, corruption at the highest level and their supporters have to be the most stupid people on the planet… closely followed by the watermelons.
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September 25, 2019 8:19am
- alloytoo
  
  National could and should start their next government by announcing that socialism has failed.
  
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  September 25, 2019 1:48pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Conflict close to home:
West Papua: Day of violence sees at least 27 dead
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-49806182
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September 25, 2019 8:21am
- G152
  
  Cindy should be onto it and start a West Papua Day?
  What are the chances ???????????
  
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  September 25, 2019 8:23am
oldpark

It was hilarious yesterday watching NZs Parliament. There was the” Has Been” Peters who self selected himself to be the defacto NZ PM when SLG was out big noting in UN . Of course selling the myth of Global Warming in the accursed cauldron of overpaid bludgers.. Ignoring the fact that is what happens when the Sun shines maybe all too brightly for some Global Warming Bludgers.
Peters was ranting and raving about a “Never Was”PM Ardern selected by the voting public.
Of course him being a “Has Been” and singing the praises of a “Never Was” hiding the fact that his crazy stupid decision to anoint the present regime
has been a failure. In fact his cause has been a failure.Or even worse a complete disaster for NZs backbone of the NZ economy. The Farming Community.The Oil and Gas Industry. They are just a couple of out of order and control idealogy decisions by Peters mad dog decision putting the present regime on a power trip ,seconded by him and his ilk.
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September 25, 2019 8:23am
- kowtow
  
  He stood there and said that parliament had done nothing for decades over the gun laws , with a straight face . He’s been there for decades.
  And only a couple of years ago NZF were the strongest of advocates for licensed firearms owners , and now ?
  
  What a c#nt .
  
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  September 25, 2019 8:55am
- Liberty
  
  Gerry Brownlee put the resident geriatric in his place.
  Mis all the twaddle. Gerry is about 5.00
  
  https://www.parliament.nz/en/watch-parliament/ondemand?itemId=209019
  
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  September 25, 2019 9:32am
Rich Prick

Does anyone else feel embarrassed for the emotional 16 year old with issues? I know she is intended to make the world feel bad about something, but “use and abuse” spring to mind.
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September 25, 2019 8:26am
- alex Masterley
  
  I just think the kid is a useful idiot who will be abandoned as soon as she ceases to have any use. Her parents have a lot to answer for.
  
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  September 25, 2019 8:38am
  - cmm
    
    You could be talking about someone closer to home too.
    
    Why does anyone take notice of angry little girls? They have no science, reason or experience to bring to the table – just heaps of emotional tantrums.
    
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    September 25, 2019 8:46am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    She’ll be set up financially for life off this. Celebrity has cachet in scoring high paying figurehead roles.
    
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    September 25, 2019 8:57am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Apparently she (well her parents really) have raised over $46 million in donations in the past 12 months.
      Money is good in the Climate Apocalypse business
      
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      September 25, 2019 9:49am
- Tall Man
  
  Although she is a kid I still view her as arrogant and self entitled.
  
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  September 25, 2019 8:43am
  - Simon
    
    Too kind. She is creepy as fuck. She and her backers are an insight to where gulags, show trials and public hangings come from.
    
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    September 25, 2019 9:20am
    - srylands
      
      It would have been outlandish to have said this two years ago, However before too long there will be acts of violence against those who show insufficient action to reduce greenhouse emissions, e.g. drivers of large SUVs.
      
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      September 25, 2019 9:51am
  - Rich Prick
    
    Mike Hosking agrees.
    
    But there is sadly no hiding the fact she suffers, like so many of her climate change lot, from a fantastic sense of self-entitlement. And it’s that quality that damages the cause more than anything else.
    
    Greta Thunberg will grow into a Jacinda Ardern. They will revel in rhetoric, they will hold meetings, they will invent phrases like “we too,” they will tell you a social media company setting up yet another office full of people is an answer to terror on the net.
    
    Their most fulfilling days are the ones where they talked themselves into exhaustion, labouring under the misguided belief that talk is action, but never really joining the dots that they keep going back year after year saying the same thing and yet nothing has actually changed.
    
    Two vacuous airheads in a pod.
    
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    September 25, 2019 10:06am
  - JackRabbit
    
    @Tallman
    >>Although she is a kid I still view her as arrogant and self entitled.
    
    Both Greta and Jacinda.
    
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    September 25, 2019 11:45am
- Sacha
  
  I do.
  I must have at least six ‘shares’ from friends on FB – and the number of comments which simply ignore the fact of her youth and immaturity astound me.
  Poor kid, as if she hasn’t got enough personal problems, without taking on the world – and is this what modern parents think is a good example for their kids?
  That contorted little face is very sad.
  
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  September 25, 2019 8:44am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  How is she getting home?
  Will she carry on with any education?
  What are her employment prospects now?
  
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  September 25, 2019 8:45am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Honestly she has won the lottery, she can get into any university she wants or could get a ton of money as an ambassador for some NGO.
    
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    September 25, 2019 8:59am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Her employment prospects are sorted: ‘green’ organisations will be competing to get her when she finishes studying.
    
    And annoying though she is, people really can’t argue that she’s intellectually challenged – fluent English, successfully manipulative etc.
    
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    September 25, 2019 9:18am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    She’s got a job for life paid for by donations.
    
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    September 25, 2019 3:12pm
- kowtow
  
  Orchestrated , well funded scam , promoted by a complicit media.
  
  https://ysb.co.nz/the-official-escort-for-16-year-old-global-warming-expert-greta-thunberg-is-a-leftist-hack-funded-by-george-soros-org/
  
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  September 25, 2019 8:46am
  - Notsofast
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    Maybe you missed the article on Dave Lowe.
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/115040931/kiwi-dave-lowe-found-measurable-proof-of-climate-change-50-years-ago–hes-watched-in-horror-ever-since
    
    If this story is wrong there exists compelling science to refute it, that has not been presented.
    
    “That matters because CO2 has an insulating effect in the atmosphere. It traps heat, which is why it’s called a greenhouse gas. More CO2 means more heat.
    
    Every year without fail, for the last 61 years, the number has continued to climb at an ever-increasing rate. ”
    
    Nicely put, it is a greenhouse gas. Think of it like a dispersed sheet of plastic, and walk into a plastic house on this cold day and marvel that a sliver of plastic creates vast extra heat.
    Mike Hosking and Leighton Smith and Rodney Hide are stuck with cognitive dissonance, a public stance they can’t change, but little Greta understands the science. Mankind has painted itself into a corner and man made global warming is happening, and it can never be reversed without dismantling society. Jacinda is wasting her time and the Donald is pragmatically correct to ignore it, and encourage man to scuttle like rats to survivable niches.
    Like New Zealand.
    A small tactical nuclear arsenal is called for, but may be that would be anathema to the Green Party.
    
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    September 25, 2019 9:17am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Lol
      
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      September 25, 2019 9:47am
    - Rich Prick
      
      … little Greta understands the ~~science~~ scripture. FIFY.
      
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      September 25, 2019 10:39am
    - JackRabbit
      
      @Notsofast
      >>>“That matters because CO2 has an insulating effect in the atmosphere. It traps heat, which is why it’s called a greenhouse gas. More CO2 means more heat.
      
      What Tripe. The biggest Greenhouse gas is water vapour, which increases with planet heating of which 99.9% is caused by proximity to the sun.
      
      Think about that next time you take a steamy shower. Notice how you are warmed by the water vapour AFTER you stop the shower.
      
      Proximity to the sun is what caused the Holocene period, and 11,500 years ago Mount Kilimanjaro had NO glacier. Today the Mount Kilimanjaro Glacier that is only 11,500 years old, is retreating once again.
      
      So can you please confirm: How was the earth warmer 11,500 years ago WITHOUT modern day man?
      
      Little Greta does not understand the science at all. If that was the case her IQ would be 200+ and she would have a doctorate in Physics, Chemistry and Astrophysics and be earning 300K per year.
      
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      September 25, 2019 1:12pm
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Here you go, Notso: Styx tells it like it is: if climate change is anthrophogenic and reversible, the only way to achieve it would be through a 95% population reduction.
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Mxzr6x1WzU
      
      I hope you have done your bit and not had children.
      
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      September 25, 2019 1:46pm
- Ruawai
  
  Greta’s speech was scaremongering, hysteria creating, full of anger, sweeping generalisations and embellished exaggerations without detailed facts
  
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  September 25, 2019 8:50am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Excellent!
    That young woman will go far in today’s world!
    
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    September 25, 2019 9:45am
    - Pheobe
      
      Great publicity stunt by Greta. Did you realize that she is an actress and promoting her movie on climate change? Its called climate change- the facts.
      
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      September 25, 2019 9:20pm
  - JackRabbit
    
    @Ruawai
    
    Change the first word from Greta to Jacinda and it still makes sense.
    
    They could remake the Tom Hanks movie “Big”, and make it about a woman with an infantile brain who becomes Prime Minister and wreaks havoc on the country. They could call it “Little”.
    
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    September 25, 2019 11:55am
- Scott
  
  I just think it’s a shame that a Swedish girl has been so indoctrinated that she lambasts her elders for a crisis that is probably not happening!
  
  In the meantime she is living in a wealthy country at peace with the world. She is travelling the world and has a prosperous future to look forward to.
  
  This new religion of global warming and end of days apocalyptic predictions has a lot to answer for.
  
  I did see a headline in the New York Times that said the UN has predicted that unless major action is taken we will have an environmental catastrophe in 10 years time. The only problem is the headline was from 1989! ?
  
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  September 25, 2019 9:06am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    The editors and owners of the media never seem to ask themselves the following question: “If I say something that in the near future turns out to be untrue, then intelligent people with long memories will not believe what I say any more.”
    Or else the media aren’t too concerned with what intelligent people think.
    Or there are so few intelligent people around that they really don’t matter.
    Or else people have very short memories.
    
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    September 25, 2019 9:49am
- Liberty
  
  In 10 yrs time when the great unwashed find another windmill to chase.
  The kid will still be 16.
  
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  September 25, 2019 9:42am
- PaulP
  
  She, or her speech-writing parents, say “people are suffering, people are dying, entire ecosystems are collapsing. We are in the beginning of a mass extinction.”
  
  I’d love to know where all these people are that are dying from climate change. I haven’t heard of any.
  
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  September 25, 2019 10:07am
  - Rich Prick
    
    Perhaps only Greta can see them, and all the methane they’re releasing.
    
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    September 25, 2019 11:03am
    - PaulP
      
      “I see dead people!” 🙂
      
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      September 25, 2019 11:23am
- Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes
  
  She has been manipulated, and has become a symbol of the virtur siganlling woke community. The only thing she could say of value to me would be “would you like fries with that?”. Her emotional rant (yes, mod she has a condition, but she is also deluded) contained zero facts ! What did she offer from her vast life experienced rather than outrage ? Sweet fuck all ! If I wanted tio listen to vapid, meaningless vapourware I would listen to our MTC PM or the Poison Dwarf dep-PM.
  She no doubt feels better and will enjoy her flight home feeling like she is doing her bit to save the World. (Forget the extra carbon costs for the extra 5 flights for the crew returning the yacht she swanned in on). There will be plenty of SJW’s and virtue signalling mewling quims to reinforce her growing sense of self entitlement……I feel sorry for Gareth Hughes and Swarsbrick, as they have been outdone…..
  
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  September 25, 2019 10:20am
  - JackRabbit
    
    @Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes
    
    This Greta thing is wrong on so many counts. It is devaluing the wisdom that comes from age and maturity. It is using children to promote lies, knowing that anyone that challenges her will most likely be labelled as child haters.
    
    It is also saying that the great minds of the planet are dumb and it takes a child to be smart.
    
    As with other socialist ideas, principles and values are being inverted, with abnormal being made normal and normal being made abnormal. Right is becoming wrong and wrong is now acceptable.
    
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    September 25, 2019 12:10pm
    - tf78
      
      They want 16 year olds to vote – their first vote will be for euthanasia for anyone over 40 – watch out parents they’ll be coming for you.
      
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      September 25, 2019 5:48pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        Worse still, if time machines get invented, some 16 year olds will be dumb enough to go back in time to kill off their grandparents so their “dumb” parents never get born.
        
        Closer to reality, they will probably put measures in place to prevent “man made” climate change and in doing so create real climate change.
        
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        September 25, 2019 8:24pm
  - The Feed
    
    Yes, your last sentence is particularly interesting.
    
    No matter how young and extreme you are, there will always be another virtue signaller coming along to make you look stale n’ pale.
    
    Swarbs n Hughesy are looking a bit past it compared to Gen Z Greta. She’s also showing them up up taking a boat.
    
    Notice that the local Greens aren’t as fawning about Greta as you might expect.
    
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    September 25, 2019 2:43pm
- kevn
  
  @RP… I notice there are George Soros fingerprints all over this phenomenon via the Thunberg minder who is on his payroll.
  Soros, the globalist and western democracy anarchist. A nastier version of the UN.
  
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  September 25, 2019 12:21pm
Maggie Pie

The other thing i meant to mention while watching Question Time, was that during Q5,
I also caught a glimpse of Sarah Dowie sitting behind JC [@2m:38s]

It looked to me like the Member for Invercargill may have dyed her roots black…..

https://vimeo.com/361956225
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September 25, 2019 8:26am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  @Maggie Pie
  
  Summer is on the way and I really need to know if I MUST buy a wide-legged pant suit.
  https://resources.stuff.co.nz/content/dam/images/1/x/3/5/e/v/image.related.StuffLandscapeSixteenByNine.1240×700.1x30y0.png/1569297384758.jpg
  I definitely can’t do red… but any suggestions gratefully received.
  
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  September 25, 2019 8:38am
  - Tall Man
    
    Short answer…NO!
    
    ardern wears the bloody thing so you can’t see helun’s hand up her bum directing her like the good little “sock puppet” she really is.
    
    Even lambchop was smarter than ardern.
    
    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=shari+lewis+lambchops&atb=v181-1&ia=videos&iax=videos&iai=eA1UHiAl8Bg
    
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    September 25, 2019 8:41am
    - alex Masterley
      
      Agreed. Red tents are not a good look.
      
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      September 25, 2019 8:58am
  - Ruawai
    
    OMG I thought it was a long modest skirt, but it is almost a pants suit like Hills wears
    
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    September 25, 2019 8:52am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    hiyaa Maggs!
    
    Just the thing if you’ve got Cankles 🙁
    https://i.imgflip.com/3bgb9r.jpg
    
    [Probaly best to avoid Allbirds as well….they would tend to accentuate the problem]
    
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    September 25, 2019 9:02am
  - Lizziep
    
    Good God no. Please don’t. Who ever encouraged our mad queen to purchase that outfit and wear it out in public needs to look for another career as a stylist obviously they have NO idea.
    
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    September 25, 2019 9:24am
    - Tall Man
      
      Matches ardern then to a “T”.
      
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      September 25, 2019 2:13pm
  - Scooter
    
    I think she’s channeling David Byrne
    
    https://images.app.goo.gl/ySX9x8xEyBMTZBhL9
    
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    September 25, 2019 6:57pm
- MH
  
  the Trudeau effect?
  
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  September 25, 2019 3:34pm
Right of way is Way of Right

Yesterday, Sonny Bill Williams posted a photo on Instagram showing him and Ofa Tu’ungafasi praying just prior to taking the field in the game against South Africa. Both players are Muslims, and were praying in the Muslim style. Instagram took down the photo following a complaint from a third party that the use of the photo infringed or otherwise violated their rights.

Instagram, as is the way of most social media, went NUTS! Post after post of how it was terrible that Instagram had responded to hate and bigotry because some anti-Muslim hater had complained and had the post taken down…except they hadn’t.

The complainant was, in fact, the photographer, who had not been credited for, or asked for, the use of the photograph, The photographers name was Faiz Azizan, a Malaysian photographer affiliated to Malaysian Rugby.

Oops.
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September 25, 2019 8:30am
- Tall Man
  
  That little fact will never percolate down to the great unwashed.
  
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  September 25, 2019 8:38am
- Ruawai
  
  I’m sure Sonny Bill looked for a camera to stand in front of before praying to virtue signal. He could always have prayed in the changing rooms in private but that wouldn’t have achieved the desired result.
  
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  September 25, 2019 8:55am
  - Tall Man
    
    Perhaps he thinks he has “awesome glutes”.
    
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    September 25, 2019 2:12pm
  - MH
    
    a tweeet for Folau perhaps as he seeks stardom in a return to league.
    
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    September 25, 2019 3:36pm
Yvette

Arising from “Britain’s highest court having ruled that UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson decision to suspend Parliament for five weeks was illegal”, was Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern acting legally when she required development work at Ihumatao to cease until the land dispute is settled – and so what too is the part of the Maori King to stipulate his flag fly at Ihumatao until the issue is resolved – and when it is, does that have to be approved by Ardern to say when, or if, Fletchers may resume work?
And does that implicate Ardern in any damages Fletchers may subsequently claim?
Just wondering …
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September 25, 2019 8:34am
- Tall Man
  
  If not… it should.
  
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  September 25, 2019 8:37am
- Scott
  
  Also does the Maori king now run the show? When was he crowned? And has someone told our rightful monarch Queen Elizabeth?
  
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  September 25, 2019 9:08am
  - MH
    
    ardern was asking the same thing with Boris (Yeltsin) a few hours ago.
    
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    September 25, 2019 3:39pm
- calendar girl
  
  PM Ardern had, and has, no legal right to stop building on any privately-owned land if the relevant local authority is prepared to grant appropriate building permits.
  
  Her intervention at Ihumātao signaled a belief that, as PM, she had power to over-ride the law. Which is rubbish, of course. Her illusion will soon catch up with her if continues down that path.
  
  But even worse was an implication from her comments and actions that “full and final” settlement of historical Maori grievances may be able to be re-visited and re-negotiated. If that kind of thinking begins to take root, it could signal the end of any prospect of Maori land grievances ever being resolved in accordance with the rule of law.
  
  Ms Ardern needs serious legal and constitutional advice before she acts again in such an autocratic and misguided manner as she did on her visit (July?) to Ihumātao.
  
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  September 25, 2019 10:19am
MCos

I fought the law and the law won
https://twitter.com/damocrat/status/1176450386166734848?s=21
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September 25, 2019 8:35am
- Tall Man
  
  Not accurate at all.
  
  https://traditionalbritain.org/blog/judges-against-british-people-david-hamilton/
  
  You seem to think the will of the people means little. Probably too much time in Thailand.
  
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  September 25, 2019 9:01am
Maggie Pie

My partner and me just watched the news clip of Greta Thunberg delivering her ‘broadside’ to the UN. Frankly, we both felt sooo embarrassed.
My partner said…. “there’s a word for people who use kids to advance their political agenda”

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFOPhSPUYAAwxjI?format=png&name=small
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September 25, 2019 8:45am
- chaos
  
  Is that word, labour?
  
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  September 25, 2019 9:58am
  - Tall Man
    
    Nope. labour just “use” kids but not always for political purposes.
    
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    September 25, 2019 2:09pm
- Prince
  
  My partner and I watched….
  
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  September 25, 2019 10:17am
  - Tall Man
    
    Disturbing thought isn’t it 😉
    
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    September 25, 2019 2:10pm
Maggy Wassilieff

All those times I heard goats bleating in the scrub I might have been walking past lost or distressed trampers/hunters.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/399541/murder-trial-crown-tries-to-prove-goats-screaming-not-human
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September 25, 2019 8:50am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  If this YouTube clip soundtrack is real, then goats can make sounds that could seem to be from a human in distress.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpccpglnNf0
  
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  September 25, 2019 9:20am
- mark15
  
  they do scream like people.
  
  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NFgx5MY72Dk
  
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  September 25, 2019 9:24am
- Brian McDonald
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NU33PXtf-4
  
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  September 25, 2019 9:33am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Those ones wouldn’t confuse me…
    
    These one might:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpccpglnNf0
    
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    September 25, 2019 9:41am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Or as stephie might ask: “Herd of goats?”
      
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      September 25, 2019 11:05am
      - Tall Man
        
        Heard of morons?
        
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        September 25, 2019 2:07pm
kowtow

Oh dear , climate change is compulsory , where England goes……

‘Sheffield University students are to attend compulsory lectures on climate change so they can learn how to live in a “sustainable” way.

The new sustainable development course, which will be introduced over the next five years, was launched in response to the “climate emergency”, the university said.’

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/09/24/sheffield-university-students-attend-compulsory-lectures-climate/
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September 25, 2019 8:51am
- Notsofast
  
  Let’s try again.
  Ice core sampling shows global temperature correlates with CO2 concentration.
  Isotopes of Carbon show the carbon in the current atmosphere is derived from fossil fuel burning.
  Maybe this university is onto something.
  
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  September 25, 2019 10:23am
  - kowtow
    
    No it doesn’t , no they don’t and no they aren’t.
    
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    September 25, 2019 11:34am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Except there is a lag: temperature rises 800 years before the CO2!
    
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    September 25, 2019 3:18pm
  - herb1
    
    Yes but as scientific reports have shown , the temperature rises first then at least 50 years later the CO2 rises. lets ban temperature by 2050 , problem solved
    
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    September 25, 2019 4:41pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  “how to live in a “sustainable” way”
  
  Impossible in the numbers humanity currently has. The very first lesson would be: if you support the concept that climate change is anthropogenic and reversible, get sterilized.
  
  Then live the most primitive lifestyle you can, and don’t try and live in a cold climate, because more energy is needed than you have a right to use.
  
  I’m actually all for this: if the Green/Left really think that by a vast reduction in human consumption we can reverse or halt climate change, they need to *stop breeding*.
  
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  September 25, 2019 2:04pm
Yvette

The invitation has been extended by the Pike River Recovery Agency and is set for Thursday October 3 if weather permits.
The agency says it will transport family members – aged 15 and over – in a driftrunner up to the 170m barrier in groups with an experienced agency guide, starting at 9am.
– TVNZ

Safety law, which originates in the Pike River tragedy, states that from 2024 such mines as Pike River will require a second means of exit, but Pike River is being re-entered against the spirit of this law, with “safe” until the 2024 date being inconsequent as the mine has already exploded several times in November 2010.

So why exactly are families being invited to enter the mine at this stage, and who initiated that, approves it and takes responsibility in any problematic event?
Will those not offical employees of Pike River Recovery Agency sign any waivers?
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September 25, 2019 9:03am
- Tricati
  
  Has the Pike River Agency been given an exemption to the law, and its been kept quiet.
  I know the new law doesn’t currently affect the re-entry due to enactment timing, but surely the intent should be honored, and why did Pike River raise the option of an application.
  
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  September 25, 2019 11:25am
  - sooty
    
    What about worksafe rules of members of the public on a worksite, never mind one that could go bang again!
    
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    September 25, 2019 12:12pm
- kevn
  
  @Yvette… 170 meters? The length of 4 big tour coaches. Big deal, one could throw a brick that far. Won’t even need a torch.
  Only another 2000m to go folks. Before the next Major obstacle. Then more 1000ms beyond that to be even close.
  Just another little virtue signal.
  
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  September 25, 2019 12:30pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  If there is a further incident there may be horrible legal and possible criminal consequences for anyone who can be attached with liability.
  
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  September 25, 2019 3:21pm
G152

The kid couldn’t remember her spiel and had to refer to her .notes.
So much for the program
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September 25, 2019 9:12am
BobbyS

That speech by Greta T was very scary
That poor girl has been brainwashed
Assuming her tears were real then the parents, UN & Media have scared this poor girl in to a frightened individual
Assuming her tears were fake then her parents, UN & Media have created a scary individual
Either way this has to stop
She shouldn’t be a pawn in anybodies game
Very sad
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September 25, 2019 9:15am
- rangitoto
  
  It was totally fake. Amateur acting.
  
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  September 25, 2019 10:03am
- Tricati
  
  I’m guessing she will have a significant break-down in the near future, and her mother will say its the result of Climate change, and not the mother’s idiotic brain-washing.
  
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  September 25, 2019 11:27am
  - kevn
    
    A NZ Herald columnist (not journo) compares (the manipulated) Thunberg with Joan of Arc… ffs
    
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    September 25, 2019 12:38pm
    - Paulus
      
      Joan of Arc got burnt by her own people !
      
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      September 25, 2019 2:01pm
      - Jack5
        
        Joan of Arc “saw” angels, and heard dead people speaking to her.
        
        She was schizophrenic.
        
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        September 25, 2019 4:53pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Makes the decision to avoid the herald like the plague a good one doesn’t it.
      
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      September 25, 2019 2:05pm
- kevn
  
  @Bobby… The worst thing is the negative effect on very young people globally, who (unnecessarily) feel dread and fear for the future.
  
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  September 25, 2019 12:32pm
Classic Liberal

Trump’s speech to the UN was a breath of fresh air: https://yournz.org/2019/09/25/trumps-speech-to-the-un/

““Wise leaders always put the good of their own people and their country first. The future does not belong to globalists, the future belongs to patriots,” he said earlier in the speech. “The future belongs to sovereign and independent nations who protect their citizens, respect their neighbors and honor the differences that make each country special and unique.””

I particularly like that he hits the SJWs where it hurts them most: in their entitled illusion of moral superiority:

“Today, I have a message for those open border activists who cloak themselves in the rhetoric of social justice: Your policies are not just, your policies are cruel and evil,” he said, accusing them of promoting human smuggling and the “erasure of national borders.”

“You are empowering criminal organizations that prey on innocent men, women and children. You put your own false sense of virtue before the lives and well-being of countless innocent people. When you undermine border security, you are undermining human rights and human dignity.”
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September 25, 2019 9:20am
lastmanstanding

The UK Judicary can be added to the UK Parliament in seeking to thwart the will of the people.

UK citizens are now faced with a position that if a majority express their will in a lawful manner and the Elites do not agree then they will use their power to defeat the will of the majority.

If a civil war breaks out I would remind the Elites of events in France in the late 18th century and what befell the Elites at that time.
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September 25, 2019 9:37am
- atomic drop
  
  There is going to be no civil war. I was just reading an interesting post pointing out that the American Civil War was between elites.
  
  Our technocratic globalist elite in the West are united. Add to that roughly half the population are all in on Globalism – especially females and the millions of Third Worlders flooding the West.
  
  The EU and USA are basically police states now, even local police stations in USA have military grade weapons and machinery. So grass roots uprising by white working class, antiglobalist sorts not going to happen.
  
  The good news is Globalism/Multiculturalism/Diversity is floating face down in the pool. Its just a steady wind down now, slowed a bit by Infintity QE etc.
  
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  September 25, 2019 11:30am
tf78

I see that Craig Lord has been de-platformed from his radio advertisement – do you think it’s because of his anti climate change message. That’s one of the reasons that I have voted for him. I’d love to find out.
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September 25, 2019 9:41am
harvey wilson

I found Muttonbird on another site , he’s gone from claiming that the labour neverland groper was a national plant to claiming there was no sexual assault because the gropers lawyer got it down to assault.

#believewomen …. when it suits
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September 25, 2019 9:45am
- Swifty
  
  Muttonbird, as with many lefties, is exactly what he accuses us of being.
  
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  September 25, 2019 11:06am
softail 1450

Am I the only person that would love to grab Greta Thunbergs parents by the throat and slap the shit out of them for the obvious abusive behavior of not spending enough cash on a better drama teacher, the tears didn’t quite come as ordered…
FFS, this charade going on at the UN is reason enough to stop any future payments from the NZ taxpayer to this clown show of an organisation that Ardern adores with all her being.
The video of grown scientists grovelling to this intellectually disabled pixi dust sower is easily the most barf inducing sight since Adern introduced the bubba to the world last year.
And when I say ‘bubba’ I’m not speaking of Gayford..
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September 25, 2019 10:27am
kowtow

Yesterday parliament sent the Arms Legislation Bill to committee , to keep us safe from fire arms .

Yesterday a cop shot himself in the arse while training.

A bum bling bobby?
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September 25, 2019 10:30am
- sooty
  
  He’s going to find it hard to live done!
  Howm any cowboys shot themselves in the arse?
  The foot, yes.
  
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  September 25, 2019 12:08pm
  - kowtow
    
    Sheriff says to the dog out the ole west .
    
    Why did you shoot that cowboy ?
    
    Cos he shot my paw ………
    
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    September 25, 2019 1:39pm
Tony Stuart

Once again, the National Party has declined to question the Acting Prime Minister on anything today, and Peters will need a patsy question from Labour. It’s a commendable strategy, and Peters will be pissed off majorly!

https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/order-paper-questions/list-of-oral-questions/oral-questions-25-september-2019/
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September 25, 2019 11:34am
- chaos
  
  They’re only thinking about his health….
  
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  September 25, 2019 11:41am
  - rangitoto
    
    I heard him on the radio the other day. he is definitely not well.
    
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    September 25, 2019 1:14pm
    - sooty
      
      The new arsehole is not working too well,
      
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      September 25, 2019 3:12pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Q5. Do I really have to watch that smarmy fool Dr. Duncan Webb asking his patsy question yet again? The man is cringeworthy.
  
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  September 25, 2019 11:48am
  - Tricati
    
    Maybe someone should ask him some questions about his mate Dion Swiggs.
    
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    September 25, 2019 12:12pm
rangitoto

I hear the CoL are shelving the Auckland tram and diverting the regional fuel tax to pay for a new road to replace the stricken Manawatu gorge road. Worst government ever.
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September 25, 2019 11:37am
- greybeard
  
  Either that or they are using money which should have been used to complete the Otaki-to-Levin expressway section.
  
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  September 25, 2019 1:26pm
The King

A year ago i use think “they’re coming for our children!”

After watching Gretas speech i now believe it is..

“Their children are coming for us!”

Steps to lose freedom:

1. Amplify and exaggerate an issue to create hysteria.

2. Show women and children crying.

3. Claim that any person dissenting from position hates women and children.

4. Push through legislation stripping away liberty.

5. Forget original issue.
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September 25, 2019 12:05pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  All driven by emotion
  
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  September 25, 2019 1:49pm
- MH
  
  Kim Carnes’
  bette Davis eyes
  
  And she’ll tease you, she’ll unease you
  All the better just to please you
  She’s precocious, and she knows just what it
  Takes to make a pro blush
  She got Greta Garbo’s standoff sighs, she’s got Bette Davis eyes
  She’ll let you take her home
  It whets her appetite
  She’ll lay you on the throne
  She got Bette Davis eyes
  She’ll take a tumble on you
  Roll you like you were dice
  Until you come out blue
  She’s got Bette Davis eyes
  She’ll expose you, when she snows you
  Off your feet with the crumbs, she throws you
  She’s ferocious and she knows just what it
  Takes to make a pro blush
  All the boys think she’s a spy, she’s got Bette Davis eyes
  And she’ll tease you, she’ll unease you
  All the better just to please you
  She’s precocious, and she knows just what it
  Takes to make a pro blush
  All the boys think she’s a spy, she’s got Bette Davis eyes
  
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  September 25, 2019 4:29pm
chaos

No doubt Shane Jones will pop up now

* Jetstar has announced it’s axing its regional services in New Zealand.

Flights will end at the end of November.*

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/travel/2019/09/jetstar-pulls-out-of-new-zealand-regional-market.html
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September 25, 2019 12:06pm
- chaos
  
  So Jones uses this to attack Air New Zealand
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12270903
  
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  September 25, 2019 4:37pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  Why are Jetstar’s flights cancelled today?
  
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  September 25, 2019 6:05pm
  - chaos
    
    Because they are Jetstar
    
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    September 25, 2019 10:18pm
Captain Mainwaring

Another casualty of the CoL’s flagging economy.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/116078862/jetstar-reveals-proposal-to-stop-highcost-lossmaking-regional-flights-from-november
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September 25, 2019 12:06pm
- Martin Williams
  
  The economy which has been described in the last week by both the IMF and Moody’s as very strong?
  
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  September 25, 2019 1:17pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Yes, still benefiting from 9 years of the best government ever, but the dark clouds are on the horizon.
    
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    September 25, 2019 1:57pm
  - chaos
    
    The regions say different and that will flow into the economy big time soon.
    
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    September 25, 2019 2:09pm
  - Jack5
    
    Michael Reddell has done an interesting critique of the IMF report that Martin Williams refers to:
    
    https://croakingcassandra.com/2019/09/23/imf-telling-it-like-it-isnt/
    
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    September 25, 2019 4:26pm
- Lance
  
  So Air NZ was denounced as bastards by Shane Jones and the great unwashed for pulling out of Oamaru and other low population servicing airports.
  
  So similar opprobrium upon JetStar? (crickets)
  
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  September 25, 2019 2:37pm
- godruelf
  
  Maybe those cunning buggers at Qantas have been talking to Toll and suggest that Jones has a chat with Cullen to negotiate a sale of Jetstar
  
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  September 25, 2019 4:22pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Bryce Edwards doesn’t rate Jacinda’s jaunt to the UN very highly.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/sep/25/ardern-was-supposed-to-be-the-anti-trump-but-she-failed-to-speak-truth-to-power
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September 25, 2019 1:23pm
- rangitoto
  
  The lefties are upset that Jacinda didn’t do a Greta act. Maybe she was supposed to but she was too in awe of The Donald to go through with it.
  
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  September 25, 2019 1:26pm
  - Batman
    
    Lol in awe of Donald? I mean I don’t like Arden much either but that’s a real stretch
    
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    September 25, 2019 1:43pm
- Tall Man
  
  What a funny coincidence, I don’t either!
  
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  September 25, 2019 1:30pm
igm

Ardern has shown in her sickly UN speech that she is treasonous, dangerous, and definitely not what taxpayers of NZ want . . . she must go NOW!
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September 25, 2019 1:41pm
Jack5

Gender-neutral crap from them there woke folk.

In the Christchurch Press today an item says: “… a police officer who shot themselves while putting a gun back in its holster is off work.”

And a report in the Southland Times says about a boat overturning at Stewart Island:” … one of the trampers drifted away from the boat, and Osbourne swam over to rescue them.”

When they are not merging Maori into English to form NZ Pidgin, the Stuff folk are trying to force us into woke pronouns.

They iz always trying to mould uz customers.

But it doesn’t seem to be helping them. Their circulations at March 31 compared with March 31 last year –
Christchurch Press 39,758, down from 46,441 last year.
Southland Times 13,164, down from 15,953 last year.
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September 25, 2019 2:21pm
- sooty
  
  Go woke,
  Go broke!
  
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  September 25, 2019 3:09pm
- igm
  
  Surely Fairfax NZ must be trading insolvently . . . the majority of national advertisers in their rags are heavily discounted to the point that they must be advertising free.
  
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  September 25, 2019 3:47pm
- lifesgood
  
  Good, long may their decline continue.
  
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  September 25, 2019 6:56pm
mandk

(response to igm)
Was anyone there to listen to her?

Apart from sycophantic journalists, that is.
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September 25, 2019 2:35pm
- igm
  
  Maybe a few cleaners, and as you say, those who are mesmerised by socialism and lies.
  
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  September 25, 2019 3:49pm
  - sooty
    
    Did Cindy have her own person following he around taking her picture!
    
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    September 25, 2019 6:02pm
srylands

If you received an email notifying you of a meeting in “Tāmaki Makaurau”, would you immediately know that this means “Auckland”? I had to google it. Not very helpful.
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September 25, 2019 2:36pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  Now that they have reminded us that Maori is an official language of New Zealand.
  They appear to have completely forgotten, that so is English.
  
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  September 25, 2019 4:43pm
  - Kabull
    
    Unfortunately English is not an official language. Recent attempts by a Select Committee to fix this were rejected because it was claimed to be so obvious it didn’t need the protection of the law!
    
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    September 25, 2019 9:23pm
Poppa

So I read a rather large deficit has hit ACC to the tune of $8billion.

How is that fiscal hole looking Grant? It looks to me that it just got a whole lot deeper.
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September 25, 2019 2:41pm
- chaos
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/116076185/acc-records-massive-87b-deficit-as-low-interest-rates-play-havoc-with-its-accounts
  
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  September 25, 2019 2:56pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    After National spent 9 long years and finally balanced the ACC books, so it payed for itself.
    In just 2 short years, Labour have fucked it up….
    ……………………………Faster than Clark/Cullen…
    Must be a new record for screwing up.
    
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    September 25, 2019 4:41pm
    - chaos
      
      wasnt 2019 the year acc was meant to be fully self funded, no more acc taxes
      
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      September 25, 2019 4:54pm
      - Jack5
        
        It’s cash flow that funds payouts, and these are still positive, says ACC’s chair woman, Dame Paula Rebstock.
        
        The return from investments just increases or decreases the book value of the fund. The fund size will now likely shrink because the world seems to be going into a period of lower interest rates.
        
        Still with one of the fastest rising populations of any developed country, there will be pressure on the ACC, and this could be worsened by the constant pressure to widen coverage, such as to “psychological injury” for crime victims.
        
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        September 25, 2019 5:27pm
- MH
  
  if you fell into that hole you’d be set back for life. Why didn’t they see the warning signs, too busy with red sex tape or another CE not telling us or his Minister?
  Do govt depts use red tape anymore? Only at camp functions I’m told.
  
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  September 25, 2019 4:12pm
- barnacle bill
  
  Did you read the entire article Poppa ?
  
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  September 25, 2019 4:36pm
- mark15
  
  $40 million of that is firearms confiscation
  
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  September 25, 2019 5:13pm
Rich Prick

Cindy has finished wagging her finger at the UN. Apparently she wants everyone to be nice on social media. Yeah OK, you stupid little girl.
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September 25, 2019 2:58pm
- igm
  
  Don’t forget to open your doors, paddocks, and hearts to Islam . . . the next captain’s call from the harridan.
  
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  September 25, 2019 3:51pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  Did she use the same tone as little Gretta?
  
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  September 25, 2019 4:38pm
- Jack5
  
  Jacinderella told porkies to the UN. In the section of her speech about global warming, she said:
  
  “Places like Tuvalu, with a population of just over 11,000 people, barely contributes to global emissions but is paying the price for our collective inaction.
  
  Atolls so low lying that in weather events the water on either side of it can flow together and join at the narrowest points. Engulfed by the sea.
  
  Yet Auckland University scientists have found that Tuvalu is actually growing (the link is below).
  
  Jacinderella also boasted about blocking new gas and oil exploration offshore, and about the billion trees plan.
  Tuvalu not sinking:
  
  https://inhabitat.com/sinking-island-nation-of-tuvalu-is-actually-growing/
  
  Jacinderella’s speech transcript:
  
  https://www.beehive.govt.nz/speech/new-zealand-national-statement-united-nations-general-assembly-2019
  
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  September 25, 2019 4:39pm
- John Warren
  
  Fuck off Cindy. There you go.
  
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  September 25, 2019 7:12pm
Tony Stuart

Boom! Nicola Willis has busted Julie Anne Genter; no wonder she didn’t want to release the letter…

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/116084129/documents-reveal-claims-green-party-agreement-used-by-mayor-as-leverage-for-transport-deal-in-wellington

Labour and the Greens; doing dodgy back-room deals since forever!
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September 25, 2019 4:29pm
- Swifty
  
  I recall forty years ago my old man telling me about the fact that Wellington suffered because Labour local councillors first priority was to satisfy the needs of the Labour Party (nationally) – and hence the virtue of voting for local candidates without this conflict.
  
  I am so terribly sorry for Wellingtonians that clearly this rottenness still exists.
  
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  September 25, 2019 4:51pm
- cmm
  
  So Lester Lying? Shock, surely not!
  
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  September 25, 2019 5:31pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Bet Lester won’t apologise to Simon Woolf….who was telling the TRUTH.
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/114828737/city-councillors-claim-green-party-agreement-used-as-leverage-to-get-agreement-on-lets-get-wellington-moving?rm=m
  
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  September 25, 2019 6:03pm
rangitoto

Tweet of the day:

https://twitter.com/TonyStuart55/status/1176693885688569857

‘I loved the line that “Jacinda Ardern has cancelled more houses at Ihumatao than she has built through Kiwibuild”.’
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September 25, 2019 4:36pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  Cheers Rangitoto 😀
  
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  September 25, 2019 9:07pm
Fletch

As relates to Greta –

Pedophrasty
DEFINITION: Argument involving children to prop up a rationalization and make the opponent look like an asshole, as people are defenseless and suspend all skepticism in front of suffering children: nobody has the heart to question the authenticity or source of the reporting. Often done with the aid of pictures.
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September 25, 2019 6:53pm
Jack5

If you’re still a regular reader of the NZ Herald, and you’re a white male, here’s what the newspaper thinks of you:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12270771
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September 25, 2019 6:53pm
- chaos
  
  I’m not triggered by her. It’s sad that if you don’t support these people you must be triggered, right supporting, bla bla bla
  
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  September 25, 2019 7:53pm
John Warren

An article on RNZ’s website about the potential impeachment of President Trump has directly lifted text, unattributed, from the BBC. In the RNZ item, scroll down to “How the impeachment process works”:

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/399559/donald-trump-how-does-an-impeachment-work

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49814927

I find this copying very lazy, if not downright unethical. Does it actually comprise plagiarism, in any legal/ethical sense?
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September 25, 2019 7:03pm
- chaos
  
  Nothing wrong with it as it gives credit down the bottom as being from the bbc.
  
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  September 25, 2019 7:50pm
  - John Warren
    
    Haha! It wasn’t there before. Does RNZ read Kiwiblog?
    
    But that’s the whole point I was making, Chaos. There was no attribution. Makes me angry – it’s the reason I have given up reading a certain new right wing blog, after some initial enthusiasm. It’s far too prone to regurgitation without attribution.
    
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    September 25, 2019 10:33pm
    - chaos
      
      Most likely, it they are cunning little buggers, that bbc credit should be at the top of the article in my view
      
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      September 26, 2019 8:09am
      - John Warren
        
        I grumbled about this to my older cousin, who’s a grizzled journalist of the old school persuasion, recently retired. He himself got in touch with them about the lack of attribution (more likely his email than my post got them moving, I’d say), but was still tetchy with them because, like you say, the attribution should be full and formal, and placed at the top of the article, not a cursory mention at the bottom.
        
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        September 26, 2019 1:23pm
Maggy Wassilieff

How the world sees caring little NZ

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/25/new-zealand-royal-commission-victims-in-shock-at-paedophiles-access-to-inquiry

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/25/new-zealand-university-student-lay-dead-in-room-for-nearly-two-months
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September 25, 2019 8:28pm
sooty

Poor cindy, her favorite paper giving her shit!
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September 25, 2019 9:15pm
rangitoto

Czech Dr Jiří Weigl writes on the climate alarm fraud.
English translation by Lubos Motl:

https://motls.blogspot.com/2019/09/in-footsteps-of-greta-on-road-to-slavery.html
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September 25, 2019 9:37pm
Brian McDonald

I didn’t take the article personally as it had a credible narrative. Despite Dann’s argument for critical thinking I had been distracted by the way the right side of Greta’s face pinched when she spoke. I think Dann identified the problem.
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September 25, 2019 9:39pm
Hugh Pavletich

Live Pound drops and shares tumble amid Brexit and impeachment turmoil — latest news … UK Telegraph

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/09/25/markets-live-latest-news-pound-euro-ftse-1001/
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