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General Debate 23 September 2019

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Maggy Wassilieff

Simon Bridges tells the PM to butt out of any Ihumātao deal.

“It’s been eight weeks since the Prime Minister told Fletcher Buildings it had to stop developing much needed houses on land that it owns. Since then, Fletchers has not been invited to be part of negotiations. It’s had to sit on the side-line as others have tried to take away its rights.

“It has set an appalling precedent for a Prime Minister to insert herself into the business of a private company

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1909/S00177/time-to-respect-fletchers-property-rights.htm
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September 23, 2019 8:05am
- Scott
  
  I like this bit from Simon Bridges – “she needs to tell the protesters to go home”.
  
  Unfortunately both labour and and national under John Key did their absolute best to appease Maori interests by buying them off at every opportunity with millions and millions of dollars and fulsome apologies.
  
  We know that our current Prime Minister will never tell Maori interest to go home. She is ideologically incapable of doing such a thing. One can only hope that if the leader of the opposition is elected to the Treasury benches then he will do what he said she should do. He will tell the Maori protesters to go home and if they do not they will be removed.
  
  Also if National could rediscover their pledge to finish Treaty of Waitangi payments by a specified date and within a specified amount I am sure the taxpayers of New Zealand would be grateful. The politics of racial division must stop. We must unite as a country with the same rights and laws for everybody, regardless of race.
  
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  September 23, 2019 8:14am
  - MCos
    
    “she needs to tell the protesters to go home”
    
    I’m not sure I can recall protesters ever taking much notice of a NZ government unless they give them at least some of what they want.
    
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    September 23, 2019 8:35am
    - WaveyDavey
      
      Money?
      
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      September 23, 2019 9:02am
    - cmm
      
      Water canons?
      
      They are trespassing on private land yet the cops put flowers in their hair and sit down with them to join in the sing-songs.
      
      First order of business: call the Min of Plod in and tell him to sort out his shop. Cops are not doing their job protecting private property.
      
      In a civilised society we have a deal with the government: they are given the monopoly on force (police, military) and they are supposed to use it on our behalf when required. When the government breaks that deal and lawlessness emerges then we get a breakdown in society.
      
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      September 23, 2019 9:36am
  - Jazzby
    
    You are so right. If this trend towards Maori separatism isn’t to be resisted with political determination rather than appeasement, then we could so easily end up with a situation of permanent grievance on the part of one sector of the nation. One only has to look at Northern Ireland to see where that has led. If anyone thinks that it couldn’t happen here, they need to think again.
    
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    September 23, 2019 8:37am
    - kowtow
      
      . In the south there was a deliberate move by activists in the mid 1800’s to recreate a separate distinct Irish identity . Yes there were many reasons and the history was complex , but it was passed off as a cultural renaissance but the undertones and intent were political and eventually led to violent nationalism , the demonising of what are still called the Anglo Irish ( unpure you see) especially if they were Protestant and ultimatly what amounted to a genocide when there was post independence a quiet but mass migration of Irish Protestants out of what became the Free State.
      
      ‘That night and over the next three nights armed men went into Dunmanway and neighbourhood and murdered 10 people, ranging from a 16 year old to a 82 year old. All were members of the Church of Ireland. In addition, another 20, including some Catholics, were attacked.’
      
      https://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/darkest-nights-mystery-of-the-dunmanway-massacre-30316882.html
      
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      September 23, 2019 9:43am
      - Jack5
        
        “The south” … oh, of Ireland …. whew!
        
        In the south of NZ, Ngai Tahu were given an extremely generous settlement, plus the rights to buy investments being quit by the State – for ever, plus, by the flawed charities regime, allowed to run their businesses free of company tax.
        
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        September 23, 2019 10:27am
  - Michael
    
    Good Point Scott
    
    I don’t see National doing any of that.
    REM the remove Maori seats slogan…
    
    It would be nice if a Maori Leader of National said that but I won’t hold my breath.
    
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    September 23, 2019 8:47am
    - MCos
      
      Simon Bridges, Paula Bennett, both are Maori when it suits.
      Why don’t they take the bull by the horns and tell the protesters to be on their way?
      They could pop in and say hello to Willie Jackson. He lives practically next door.
      
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      September 23, 2019 9:11am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        Nice piece of casual racism MCos. I can see why you mentioned Willie Jackson, because you’re channelling what he said a few months ago.
        
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        September 23, 2019 9:39am
      - slightlyrighty
        
        Many people are Maori when it suits. However I can think of at least one suited Maori who was Italian when it suited.
        
        Unlike Simon and Paula however, many who claim convenient Maori Heritage are more about money than mana.
        
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        September 23, 2019 10:04am
      - DigNap15
        
        No, let Ardern “fix it”
        
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        September 23, 2019 11:55am
- Happychappy
  
  Maggy W this is Maori in her Government asking for payback for all the support they have given Labour for years without getting what they deserve. Ask yourself who would trust Willie Jackson with the power he has in the Labour caucus and why did Andrew Little beg him to stand for Labour instead of the Maori Party whom he had already promised. This deal will go ahead because Grant Roberson has already had talks with Fletchers while tha PM is away and he also knows this will hurt Jacinda big time if it happens.You only have to read Cactus Kate in el Trotter to realize that Robertson is a expert in trying to undermine Jacinda at every opportunity and this is one of them.
  https://asianinvasion2019.blogspot.com/2019/09/te-trotter-language-week-trotter-on.html?m=1
  
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  September 23, 2019 8:28am
  - Jack5
    
    But … the National Party was in power when State radio – Radio New Zealand – was virtually handed over to Maori interests in a coup organised and led by Wily Willie Jackson.
    
    Not only has it been virtually merged with the State-supported radio network of about 20 tribal stations, but Radio NZ now leads the drive to Maorify New Zealand in everyday aspects such as speech and place names.
    
    This is paralleled by a Leftist political bias that has become much stronger, and is financed by greater State support.
    
    Was National asleep? Or was it humouring Maori political allies?
    
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    September 23, 2019 10:38am
- Prince
  
  Highly unlikely Ardern would ever understand the financial implications of this stagnation on Fletchers.
  Her modus operandi is to call a halt, have a review, form a committee, take a break, appoint a working group etc etc and hopefully do nothing for a few months/years until the issue is forgotten.
  
  Unproductive Capital ? Ineffective Balance Sheet ? Project delays, overruns, extensions, sunk costs.
  What do these terms mean to her, comrades ?
  
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  September 23, 2019 8:29am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Same with Winston and Spark. And Shane with everything.
  
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  September 23, 2019 6:54pm
Maggie Pie

Sooo fab to see Kim & Liz living back in Auckland…..permanently 🙂

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFCWkF3UEAAMPLP?format=jpg&name=small

You guys ROCK!!
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September 23, 2019 8:07am
- Happychappy
  
  I hope you are going to support poor Kim when he is at Auckland airport wearing them orange overalls at his departure to the USA.
  Criminals always get the justice they deserve.
  
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  September 23, 2019 8:39am
  - sooty
    
    Kim at the rock pile in the USA might not be happy!
    
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    September 23, 2019 8:48am
  - G152
    
    He’s going to die here.
    Must be something he knows that some-one said
    
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    September 23, 2019 9:51am
- softail 1450
  
  M P , well i’ll be damned ,i didn’t even know fattso had a granddaughter….
  
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  September 23, 2019 8:51am
- chaos
  
  With that face, looks like his boyfriend just left.
  
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  September 23, 2019 9:06am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    I see what you did there 🙂
    
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    September 23, 2019 9:31am
    - chaos
      
      Wasn’t me that did it, it was Kim and his boyfriend, hmmm, maybe the chick behind him is a chick with a stick
      
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      September 23, 2019 12:06pm
- Ruawai
  
  For someone with so much money he only ever wears one unflattering zip up black fleece. Must be easy getting dressed in the morning.
  
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  September 23, 2019 9:17am
- Lizziep
  
  I was a little bit sick in my mouth at that picture. He has been eating at the same trough I see.
  
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  September 24, 2019 7:09am
Yvette

Ardern said Maria Dew QC wants to be focused on hearing the substance, not whether Labour behaved appropriately, and she will focus solely on the complainants. [1]

Ardern has said that the Dew review, expected to report directly to Ardern in three weeks, would get to the bottom of it. [2]

That was stated in the Herald, Monday 3.55pm 16 September, 2019. Three weeks is figured to be Monday October 7 or two weeks from today.

Ardern said the QC would report directly to her, rather than the NZ Council.
“I need absolute clarity. I have not received it through the competing reports to date … I do need a third party, a reliable, trusted individual to give me clarity and I will act on the findings decisively.” [3]

[1] https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/09/jacinda-ardern-won-t-release-terms-of-reference-for-labour-review.html
[2] https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12268112
[3] https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/09-09-2019/incredibly-frustrated-and-deeply-disappointed-ardern-speaks-on-labour-inquiry/
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September 23, 2019 8:08am
- G152
  
  So she is now the sheriff ?
  Walking about dispensing justice without need for the legal system because it just might find her mates have concealed a crime
  
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  September 23, 2019 8:23am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Her untrustworthy mates?
    
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    September 23, 2019 6:59pm
- tranquil
  
  “…I will act on the findings decisively.”
  
  She won’t need to. It’ll be a whitewash.
  
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  September 23, 2019 8:28am
  - sooty
    
    So white you will need your shades!
    
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    September 23, 2019 8:50am
  - mark15
    
    Tranquil
    A brownwash
    
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    September 23, 2019 9:05am
- Michael
  
  Yeah Right.
  
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  September 23, 2019 8:48am
- alex Masterley
  
  So she is saying no-one in the Parliamentary wing or the wider labor party is trusted or reliable?
  She has only realised that?
  
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  September 23, 2019 8:57am
- KevO'Brien
  
  The Drew Review appears itself to be an obstruction of justice. Her status at the Bar must be on the line in the future.
  
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  September 23, 2019 11:08am
rockape

Seems like a good time to buy an AR15 to defend your property!
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September 23, 2019 8:08am
- sooty
  
  Guns! You can never have enough guns.
  
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  September 23, 2019 8:51am
mjw

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A glowing review from the IMF on New Zealand’s ongoing economic performance. Again, isn’t it great to see New Zealand doing well?
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September 23, 2019 8:12am
- Inandout
  
  mjw, our economy rocks, just ask any manufacturer who won’t hire any more workers, or building companies gone bust. Sorry I meant our economy is ‘on the rocks’.
  
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  September 23, 2019 8:23am
- mandk
  
  Is this a glowing report?
  
  “New Zealand’s expansion lost momentum in 2017-18, as some key drivers started to weaken. Despite the long expansion, inflation remains weak, reflecting imported disinflation as well as strong net inward migration, which has boosted labor supply. Macrofinancial vulnerabilities have increased with a housing boom but have been contained through macroprudential policy intervention. After recent declines, growth picked up in early 2019 and is expected to remain close to trend in 2019-20 on the back of increased policy support, despite external headwinds. Inflation should pick up gradually. Downside risks to the growth outlook have increased, reflecting: higher global risks; prospects for a weaker fiscal impulse given recent implementation lags; and the housing market cooling morphing into an actual downturn.”
  
  Looks like a 5/10 to me.
  
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  September 23, 2019 8:26am
  - BobbyS
    
    Whiskey Winnie has repeated a number of times that he forecast this economic downturn straight after he gave PriNZess the top job
    It has nothing to do with him being a financial guru or a soothsayer – it is purely fact that he knows ANY LABOUR involvement in running NZ Govt will have an immediate effect on economic performance because they waste money on shite ideological projects & they ignore the hard working people of our country for the sake of lazy arsewipes who dont get off their arse and make a fist of the opportunities that exist in our fine country
    
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    September 23, 2019 10:18am
- herb1
  
  It would be if we were mjw
  
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  September 23, 2019 8:44am
- chaos
  
  It’s not doing well, but don’t worry the struggle in the regions will soon flow on to where all will feel it
  
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  September 23, 2019 8:45am
- softail 1450
  
  mjw, Isn’t the President of that joke organisation still facing serious corruption charges?
  
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  September 23, 2019 8:45am
- tknorriss
  
  The IMF has Zimbabwe and Venezuela to benchmark us against. So, don’t get too excited.
  
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  September 23, 2019 8:57am
  - cut n paster
    
    You can benchmark the persecution of the Farming sector on the same scale.
    
    Damn this Socialist experiment of a govt!
    
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    September 23, 2019 11:48pm
- Ruahine
  
  Thank God for the good work that John and Bill did in managing the country and the economy setting things up. Every where I look I see the infrastructure that is being built and people being employed.
  
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  September 23, 2019 10:06am
Tarquin North

I watched the rugby on saturday via a Canadian site. Fairly dodgy feed but it was wonderful to hear different commentators who were totally neutral and didn’t go off in tangents about how great they once were or how the game has changed. Will definitely do that again.
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September 23, 2019 8:16am
- Charmaine Hawke
  
  Link please.
  
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  September 23, 2019 9:11am
  - Tarquin North
    
    The son in law brought it up on his lap top, not sure who, but he found it on redit.
    
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    September 23, 2019 10:07am
Hugh Pavletich

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UNITED KINGDOM … THOMAS COOK …

Thomas Cook brought down to earth … Financial Times

https://www.ft.com/content/9c544cbc-dd42-11e9-b112-9624ec9edc59

Thomas Cook could be hours from collapse without extra £200m … The Guardian

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/sep/22/thomas-cook-in-last-ditch-talks-to-avoid-collapse

Thomas Cook customers will not be stranded, vows Raab … BBC

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-49785426
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September 23, 2019 8:16am
- Charmaine Hawke
  
  Your point is??
  Just posting links and copying and pasting headlines with no original thought is a waste of time.
  
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  September 23, 2019 9:13am
  - stephieboy
    
    “Thomas Cook Group plc is a British, global travel group. It was formed on 19 June 2007 by the merger of Thomas Cook AG, itself the successor to Thomas Cook & Son, and MyTravel Group plc. The group operates in two separate segments, the Tour Operator and the Airline.”
    
    Wikipedia
    
    I think stranded travellers and tourists understand the point!
    
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    September 23, 2019 9:45am
  - Sol Invictus
    
    As a newbie here, I completely agree. If I’m interested in Thomas Cook (or any other news st0ry) I can do my own Googling!
    
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    September 23, 2019 6:09pm
Bykmad

An appalling precedent set by an appalling Prime Minister. Worst Government New Zealand has ever seen. Everything they touch turns to shit because they are so incompetent.
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September 23, 2019 8:18am
- stephieboy
  
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  “.. Worst Government New Zealand has ever seen..”
  
  ??
  
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  September 23, 2019 9:45am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Yes it is. Show me a worse one. Only the Labour disasters of 1957-60 and 1972-75 come close, with the Klarkula clusterf**k not far behind.
    
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    September 23, 2019 10:34am
Yvette

It was a police decision to clear Clarke Gayford’s name after rumours.
In May [2018] Police National Headquarters took the unusual step of releasing a statement on the matter.

“While in general we do not respond to enquiries which seek to confirm if individuals are under police investigation, on this occasion we can say that Mr Gayford is not and has not been the subject of any police inquiry, nor has he been charged in relation to any matter,” it said. [1]

Fortunately it appears this statement is true.

But what now, if they released pretty much, word for word, a similar statement –

“While in general we do not respond to enquiries which seek to confirm if individuals are under police investigation, on this occasion we can say that the alleged sexual assault of a Labour volunteer is not and has not been the subject of any police inquiry, nor has anyone been charged in relation to any matter”

Unfortunately it appears this second “statement”, if made, would also be true.

[1] https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/104638543/it-was-a-police-decision-to-clear-clarke-gayfords-name-after-rumours
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September 23, 2019 8:25am
Return To Sender

Winston the crafty old bugger making sure he stays relevant by pulling at NZ heart strings and demanding ‘answers’ from Spark. What’s people’s feedback on Spark? I got brillant reception via ITV
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September 23, 2019 8:26am
- kowtow
  
  Funny innit .
  
  Some ( or maybe even a lot ) of people had problems watching 30 men with odd shaped balls running around a field on Saturday night and two ministers of the Crown have felt it important enough to make public statements…..
  
  So we have the circus distraction , and under this regime plenty of bread for the Plebs .
  
  The package is now complete .
  
  Our elites do ape the ancient Roman tactic of keeping us in our place , bread and circusses for the masses , while the real power manipulation goes quietly unchecked.
  
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  September 23, 2019 9:03am
- KiWombat
  
  I could not get any support from Spark other than them sending me pages and pages of links to sort out issues one by one. I decided I didn’t have the time to read the dozens of links they sent me before the kick off.
  
  So I went to a friends house to watch the opening All Blacks game. Picture kept freezing and buffering, pixellation all the time, and by the time we switched over to Duke the game was over – whilst on Spark Sport it still ran for a further 10-12 minutes.
  
  Needless to say that last night we gave Spark Sport a miss and watched good coverage on Duke.
  
  I understand Spark is offering a refund to all subscribers who were affected by these problems, and there were more than just a few. Sounds like an expensive mistake to me !
  
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  September 23, 2019 9:14am
- Ruawai
  
  Our spark sport worked perfectly other than once it buffered for about 10 seconds.
  
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  September 23, 2019 9:23am
- rightoverlabour
  
  Ahh Just a question on the ITV do you have to pay anything or just supply a vaild UK postcode? I didn’t bother moving past the register page. And since ITV didn’t fail why did Spark?
  
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  September 23, 2019 9:26am
  - Return To Sender
    
    You’ll need a VPN as they will geo block ip addresses outside if the UK.
    
    Also means you won’t have to put up with the lack lustre NZ commentating which is worth the price of a vpn
    
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    September 23, 2019 9:52am
  - Joely Doe
    
    Just need to log in with a valid UK postcode.
    I use a VPN to bypass any Geo-Locking.
    Perfect pictures, great commentary.
    
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    September 23, 2019 10:12am
- MCos
  
  I paid sixty or seventy dollars for the Spark coverage and the games I’ve watched have been fine although certainly not high definition.
  If Sky had the contract the signal would have been much more reliable, except for rain fade, but would have cost more than $300 due to six month minimum contract.
  Nevertheless if you ask the thousands of people who couldn’t watch the most important pool game of the tournament they would say Spark’s effort was an abject disaster as Peters said. Particularly if they don’t have access to Duke.
  Spark says they’ve got it sorted.
  Sure.
  
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  September 23, 2019 10:36am
  - chaos
    
    Of course if sky had it you are screed when they have issues, at least with spark having It any issues they quickly put it on free to air.
    
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    September 23, 2019 2:38pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  It’s also purely a commercial matter–not the Queenmakers.
  
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  September 23, 2019 11:12am
Maggie Pie

Morbid (adj)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EE8Tzb6WkAExPbr?format=jpg&name=900×900

🙂
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September 23, 2019 8:28am
- stephieboy
  
  Graphics and layout ( crumpled piece of paper ) leave much to be desired!!
  
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  September 23, 2019 9:48am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Enema (n)
    
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    September 23, 2019 12:07pm
Souvlaki

Quelle surprise!!??…
Labour Mayor in Christchurch sweeps alleged inappropriate sexual harassment of underage children by fellow councillor under carpet.
Voting papers out today…
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September 23, 2019 8:35am
- chaos
  
  She did far more than I believe she should of, I don’t believe any politician should get involved with such cases and should be investigated independently so as o not be covered up, but let’s look at what she did.
  
  *”I met with representatives of the youth group on 10 June 2019, where they described the pattern of behaviour and messages which they were concerned about.
  
  “We agreed that I would speak to the councillor concerned and that I would put in place some measures to ensure that the councillor didn’t attend events where (they) would be in contact with young people.
  
  “I would also seek assurances regarding behaviour that was considered inappropriate. I also undertook to ensure that there was an understanding of the power imbalance that exists between an elected member and a young person.”
  
  Dalziel met with the youth group again on June 24 to discuss the next steps.
  
  She explained the council’s code of conduct was an “extremely poor process” for addressing such matters.
  
  “There was ultimately no means of resolution other than a vote of the council, and even then it could only be a recommendation.”
  
  Dalziel said she raised the option of restorative justice, believing it may have been a “satisfactory resolution”.
  
  “They weren’t sure about what the best approach would be.
  
  “I wasn’t able to tell them what a formal Code of Conduct complaint would mean in terms of naming the young people concerned.”
  
  The matter was then handed over to the acting chief executive and Dalziel asked her to also talk to the councillor about the concerns that had been raised and to meet with the youth group.
  
  “I received assurances from the acting chief executive that all the relevant steps that I had asked the councillor to take were being addressed.
  
  On September 19, Dalziel was notified the acting chief executive had met with two young people on the evening of September 17, where she was given detailed information about the nature of the complaints.
  
  “I was not aware of all of the issues that were the subject of the complaint,” Dalziel said on Sunday.
  
  “I was advised that an independent investigator had been appointed and will start on Monday 23 September 2019.”*
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/115998472/mayor-knew-for-months-about-councillor-allegations
  
  Not swept under the carpet and she has done a hell of a lot more than jacinda and grant who seem to have Winston’s medical issues with memory
  
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  September 23, 2019 8:53am
  - John Warren
    
    I will concede that Dalziel appears to have acted appropriately. Credit where it is due.
    
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    September 23, 2019 9:22am
    - Nickc2
      
      Has she handed the issue over to the Police? NO! Therefore, she has not acted appropriately.
      Like the thinking of others in the sisterhood of the Labour party, a coverup is more important for party preservation and access to the trough.
      
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      September 23, 2019 10:06am
      - chaos
        
        Your question should be has the three people asked her to pass it over to the police
        
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        September 23, 2019 11:45am
      - chaos
        
        There we go, according to one news police were advised but there was no grounds for them to do anything
        
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        September 23, 2019 12:05pm
      - Nickc2
        
        Chaos, I have read the document you mention in a previous post, but there is no reference to Dalziel referring the matter or the complainants to the Police. The document you referenced earlier is nothing more than Dalziel covering her own arse.
        IMHO, when Dalziel first became aware of the complaint(s) she should have immediately sought complainant’s permission to alert the Police. The matter would henceforth be in the hands of the Police for investigation/not and any further comment would only have come from the Police. If this process was followed, the perpetrator would hopefully not be alerted and the Police could commence their investigation without Labour Party obfuscation and those running for office diving for their nearest device in order to deny their involvement on Facebook.
        If TVNZ mentioned the Police being involved, I would take that with a grain of salt. IMHO TVNZ is nothing more than the media arm of the Labour Party.
        
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        September 23, 2019 2:01pm
      - chaos
        
        Nickc2 It was on one news at lunch time that police were informed but there was not a case for them to investigate. And sorry but what a load of crap to then claim tvnz are an arm of labour so you can’t believe what they say. Really, just a childish answer to claim one news would lie about the police being involved
        
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        September 23, 2019 2:42pm
      - John Warren
        
        I changed my tune a bit as the day progressed and more information came to light, but I still don’t think this is in quite the same league as the Labour Party Central cover-up.
        
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        September 23, 2019 7:57pm
  - Ruahine
    
    Same weasel words.
    
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    September 23, 2019 10:09am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  If you are not in the know, there’s so many possible candidates.
  
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  September 23, 2019 9:08am
  - chaos
    
    Took me 3 minutes to find who it was, lol
    
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    September 23, 2019 11:59am
- Tricati
  
  A lot of pissed off people here in CHC over this – This will damage Dalziel as being seen as another cover-up.
  Person needs to step down form up coming elections for the sake of the rate payers – We are tired of this type of crap in CHC, in particular, the council.
  
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  September 23, 2019 9:16am
- Tony Stuart
  
  The alleged sex pest needs to ‘fess up, or the media of Council needs to name him. It is totally unacceptable for voters to be in the dark over whether they are potentially electing a person with at the very least highly questionable judgment.
  
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  September 23, 2019 9:43am
  - chaos
    
    I think they have fessed up in a way by not posting on their Facebook that it isn’t them, like everyone else, lol
    
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    September 23, 2019 12:02pm
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Two problems there chaos; firstly, you have to be on Facebook, which many voters won’t be. And if you ARE on FB, you have to be following the councillors in question.
      
      I will bet you dollars to doughnuts that more Christchurch voters will NOT know who this alleged sex pest is than do know. And that’s not good for democracy.
      
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      September 23, 2019 12:13pm
      - chaos
        
        I think today or tomorrow all voters will know
        
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        September 23, 2019 12:48pm
      - Tony Stuart
        
        Quite so; Cr Deon Swiggs, former contender for the Labour Party nomination in the Christchurch East electorate, has self-identified:
        
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/116008780/christchurch-councillor-accused-of-inappropriate-texts-should-come-forward-says-deputy-mayor
        
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        September 23, 2019 3:06pm
      - chaos
        
        Even went up on his wiki page rather fast. He had no other option, everyone else had ruled themselves out. Now if only jacindas staff would do the same thing, lol
        
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        September 23, 2019 3:29pm
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Slightly lighter thought: don’t people beyond 13 find it impossible to correctly use Te Reo Emoji? I don’t dare use anything beyond the odd :), because it feels like one could easily make some crazy mistake.
        
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        September 23, 2019 4:52pm
- herb1
  
  Not surprising she wants it kept as low key as possible. Local radio announcer has outed alleged culprit by saying all councillors who aren’t the person have said soon their facebooks .
  The only one who hasn’t was handpicked for his Labour electorate by Dalziel and she happy told her friends he was “son she never had “ (cr Mike Davidson being her stepson)
  
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  September 23, 2019 10:55am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    That sounds like Helen Clark calling Darren Hughes the son she never had!
    
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    September 23, 2019 12:14pm
    - sooty
      
      Tared with the stinky brush!
      
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      September 23, 2019 12:22pm
  - chaos
    
    Yeah it is known who it is, but since you put Mike Davidson name in your post it should be pointed out it is not him
    
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    September 23, 2019 12:41pm
    - herb1
      
      Correct .
      
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      September 23, 2019 1:38pm
softail 1450

The solution to get rid of all these bludgers on private land is extremely simple actually ,just build a “job seekers” office on the land, or forcefully close all liquor outlets within 20 km of the place………
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September 23, 2019 8:36am
Bill felt

Can someone give me an update?

Has the ‘year of delivery’ been reset?
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September 23, 2019 8:39am
- chaos
  
  No it’s going really well, first promise that this government has delivered on
  
  They have delivered a sexual abuse and rape scandal.
  
  They have delivered a failed kiwi build
  
  They have delivered one our worst measles outbreaks in a while by dropping the vaccine targets
  
  They have delivered a lot of pain and agony with the reduction in elective surgeries that is going on
  
  They have delivered cover up after cover up
  
  They are very busy delivering everything, and the great news is they have delivered more criminals into society and even an economy that is just rock bottom without the star.
  
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  September 23, 2019 8:56am
- sooty
  
  Never started due to incompetence!
  
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  September 23, 2019 8:57am
herb1

I see further inappropriate actions by politicians with young girls.
This time a Christchurch councillor.
Whats the bet its a Labour councillor (Peoples Choice)
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September 23, 2019 8:46am
- chaos
  
  Where does it say anything about girls, I’ve missed that, last I read was the person in question told a boy on Facebook he was attractive, hugging instead of handshakes, have you got a link to the girls story?
  
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  September 23, 2019 9:02am
  - herb1
    
    sorry you are right , the press article I read carefully mentions no gender. I must have assumed based an some of the many political scandals over the last few years, although to be fair Labour politicians aren’t fussy about gender
    
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    September 23, 2019 9:41am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Wiki: “Swiggs is the first openly out Christchurch councillor who supports the LGBTIQ generously.”
    
    Probably male complainants then.
    
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    September 23, 2019 4:56pm
-D

I hope Jacinda’s ready when the Trumps roll out the red carpet for her reception:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1175261118161461250
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September 23, 2019 8:47am
- chaos
  
  Cindy will be looking at that post and going, omg they are flying the New Zealand flag, so proud we kept it and didn’t get John Key’s flag aren’t you Clarke.
  
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  September 23, 2019 8:58am
- srylands
  
  New Zealand Prime Ministers have been honoured with Presidential State Dinners twice.
  
  Keith Holyoake in 1969
  
  Norman Kirk in 1973
  
  Since then nothing and nothing it will remain. New Zealand is no longer an ally of the USA and has allowed its defence forces to degrade to a pitiful level.
  
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  September 23, 2019 9:17am
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    “..and has allowed its defence forces to degrade to a pitiful level…”
    
    One of those pitiful and dreary let’s restore the strike arm of the RNZAF?!
    
    Never mind the $billions of spending and where the same comes from!
    
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    September 23, 2019 9:54am
    - srylands
      
      You seem to have a comprehension problem. Nowhere did I mention restoring the strike wing. That will never happen. The pilots and mechanics are long gone and it would be ruinously expensive to start again. However, much more could have been done over the last 20 years so that the RNZAF did not become a laughing stock.
      
      Apart from its training aircraft and the 18 helicopters (that admittedly have been mostly replaced in the last decade), this is the existing fleet:
      
      6 x Orions (50 years old)
      5 x Hercules (50 years old)
      2 x B757 (25 years old)
      
      That is it.
      
      The Orions and Hercules are being replaced over the next few years, but there was effectively no choice, unless you wanted to wind up the air force. The B757s can be kept going for another 10 years, but they will become expensive to service and more unreliable. But that is what is likely to happen.
      
      For New Zealand to have been seen to be pulling its weight, the fleet by now would have needed to look something like this:
      
      8 x Boeing P-8A Poseidon
      4 x Boeing C-17 Globemaster
      6 x Lockheed C-130J Hercules
      4 x MQ-4C Triton surveillance unarmed aircraft (or similar)
      2 x Boeing 787 Business Jets (or similar)
      6 x advanced attack helicopters
      
      … Plus at least the 18 general utility helicopters that are in the fleet now.
      
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      September 23, 2019 11:04am
      - rangitoto
        
        We should also have squadron of F35’s.
        
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        September 23, 2019 11:54am
- Jade Warrior
  
  I’m sure Jacinda will have a nice time in Canada … I mean the United States.
  
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  September 23, 2019 9:22am
- Ruawai
  
  Whats the bet she says “it is so nice to be in Canada.”
  
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  September 23, 2019 9:25am
- Fletch
  
  Jacinda will be able to ask him her prepared questions, like what do you have for breakfast, and do you have any pets.
  
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  September 23, 2019 10:33am
WaveyDavey

Well, I’ve checked out the Akl mayoral candidate options and they’re all loons plus Goff.

Opinions?
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September 23, 2019 8:59am
- alloytoo
  
  I have a simple methodology.
  
  I go through the booklet carefully eliminating anyone who has any remote association with Labour.
  
  I then eliminate:
  
  Anyone who wants to address climate change.
  Anyone who has ever been part of the welfare industry.
  Anyone who has been a trougher so long that I recognise them.
  
  Choose from the remainder at random.
  
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  September 23, 2019 9:23am
  - WaveyDavey
    
    So that’s none of them then. Great 🙂
    
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    September 23, 2019 10:04am
  - kevn
    
    @alloy… Doesn’t leave many candidates does it?
    
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    September 23, 2019 10:07am
    - alloytoo
      
      Glad to be of service 🙂
      
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      September 23, 2019 11:26am
  - WaveyDavey
    
    I’ve done the work so you dont have to:
    
    Self-declared (by name) loons
    CHEEL Tricia STOP Trashing Our Planet
    KRUGER Susanna Justice for Families
    O’CONNOR Phil Christians Against Abortion
    SNELGAR Glen Old Skool
    STOPFORD Tadhg Tim The Hemp Foundation
    VERMUNT Annalucia Communist League
    YOUNG Wayne Virtual Homeless Community
    
    Undeclared loons, but they are
    LORD Craig – thinks declaring policies is arrogant
    VAUGHAN Peter – wants ratepayers to subsidise private EV purchases
    MADDERN Brendan Bruce – plastic road loon
    FORDE Genevieve – CC believer
    HENETI Alezix – CC believer
    HONG John – CC believer
    
    Not necessarily loons, but who are they?
    FEIST David John LiftNZ
    COOTE Michael
    JOHNSTON Ted
    
    Self-centred egomaniacs
    TAMIHERE John
    
    Idiotic child candidates
    HENRY Jannaha
    
    Who are you? section
    NGUYEN Thanh Binh
    SAINSBURY Tom – best known for his “hilarious” impressions of MPs
    
    Phil Goff section
    GOFF Phil
    
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    September 23, 2019 10:41am
    - rangitoto
      
      Self centered egomaniacs for the win.
      
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      September 23, 2019 11:56am
      - rightoverlabour
        
        Yup at least we will get a lot of laughs…..
        
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        September 23, 2019 8:18pm
  - coge
    
    If any candidate is banging on about a climate emergency, that simply precludes them as a voting option. It appears I’m not the only one.
    
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    September 23, 2019 11:50am
  - PhilP
    
    alloytoo, that’s pre-supposing there is anyone left on the list to vote for……Bwahahahaha!
    
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    September 23, 2019 12:15pm
- stephieboy
  
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  Opinions?
  
  I suggest you first stop throwing stones in glass houses!
  
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  September 23, 2019 9:59am
  - WaveyDavey
    
    Wrong side of bed dear?
    
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    September 23, 2019 10:44am
  - John Warren
    
    Stephanie has just worked out how to mount a keyboard on the rear of his goat, and thus has been able to recommence commenting.
    
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    September 23, 2019 7:03pm
- kevn
  
  @Wavey… Most councils in NZ are infected by labour leaning lefties. They have a captive market of ratepayers. Spending other peoples money comes easy.
  Councils used to be run by business folk who desired to give back and generally keep costs sensible.
  Many years ago Hamilton used to be a debt free council now it is burdened by mega millions.
  
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  September 23, 2019 10:06am
  - Happychappy
    
    Just read the latest story out of Wellington about the secret meeting and rates to increase by 15%.
    https://i.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/wellington/115997751/greater-wellington-regional-councillors-reportedly-briefed-on-15-pc-rates-hike-within-next-financial-year
    Some Councilors being told they need to have a meeting to get the story right to inform the new Councilors, read what Phil Quinn has to say as he is standing to get a seat on Wellington Council.
    
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    September 23, 2019 11:37am
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      Ah, easy. We don’t need accountability – we just need more of other people’s money!
      
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      September 23, 2019 7:09pm
The King

“More than 40 police staff have been charged with criminal offending in the last five years – including theft, sex abuse, fraud, tax evasion and murder.”

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12269241

And you’re letting these people take your guns?
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September 23, 2019 9:08am
- chaos
  
  So over 40 people out of a staff of nearly 12,000
  
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  September 23, 2019 9:15am
  - The King
    
    That got caught.
    
    Would you give your guns to 12000 gang members?
    
    murder
    rape
    fraud
    theft
    
    What’s the difference? are you one of these people that actually believe the police are there to “serve and protect” you?
    
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    September 23, 2019 9:50am
    - chaos
      
      I’m not stupid enough to judge 12,000 people on the actions of so few, I see you are. And I’ve lived next door to police in the past, would trust them with my life, great people doing a thankless job.
      
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      September 23, 2019 11:36am
      - mark15
        
        well,250,000 license holders are judged by the actions of 1…
        
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        September 23, 2019 12:27pm
      - The King
        
        Whats with you and living next to everyone in every topic discussed?, the other day you lived next to an evil White man on home detention and awesome Maoris.
        
        Nirvana Fallacy. That’s you.
        
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        September 23, 2019 3:13pm
      - chaos
        
        Aww does no one want to live next to you, can’t blame them.
        
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        September 23, 2019 3:27pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    1 in 300 then. vs the 1 in 160 average for all NZers over same period. Police offending at only half the rate of general public.
    
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    September 23, 2019 10:52am
    - WaveyDavey
      
      Gen Pop is much higher – 75,000 in 2018 alone
      
      1 in 60 in fact
      
      https://www.justice.govt.nz/assets/Documents/Publications/summary-justice-statistics-tables-jun2019-v2.0.pdf
      
      And you need to exclude kids and the elderly (usually) in fact you need to only include the NZ age demographic that matches NZP ages (so no under-21s or over 65s)
      
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      September 23, 2019 11:12am
    - WaveyDavey
      
      Oh and that 40 cops figure is for 5 years
      
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      September 23, 2019 11:50am
- stephieboy
  
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  The King ,
  
  “And you’re letting these people take your guns?”
  
  Yes!
  
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  September 23, 2019 9:55am
- WaveyDavey
  
  Meanwhile, in the real world that the rest of us inhabit…
  
  75,000 people were charged with criminal offences in 2019, 5 years ago it was about 130,000 so if we average those numbers and apply them to the last 5 years (your timeframe for the charged cops) that’s 500,000 people (now this isn’t entirely accurate as some will have been charged in multiple years)
  
  But let’s be generous and choose the lowest figure of 75,000 so that’s 375,000 people charged out of a pupulation of 4.5million or around 8.5% of our population. Now if we exclude those people outside the age range of serving police officers we’d probably have a population of half that so 2.25million so our charged people are 17% of that.
  
  Now let’s go back to our 12,000 cops shall we? 17% 0f 12,000 is 2,000 or so.
  
  So yeah, facts prove that cops are 51 times more trustworthy than the average citizen.
  
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  September 23, 2019 11:04am
Akarak

A message to Winston Peters.
When you’ve finished having your rant at Spark over the RWC streaming issues take time out to consider the fact that all your complaints could apply equally to your own abject disaster of a government.
You have vowed that the Government will get to the bottom of the issue.
Is that something like the promise to be the most transparent and open government ever!
“I can assure you we will find out as fast as possible as to what on earth is not going on.”
Best of luck Winston. Pike River comes to mind here.
“should have been better prepared for the event.”
As you were when you stepped out of opposition and into government after your own nine years of neglect!
Substitute (Spark) in the statement below with (the Coalition) and you really do hit the nail on the head. “They [Spark] were told to get ready and we hoped that they would be ready and they promised us that they would be and they’re not.
“It’s not satisfactory.” A bit like falling asleep on the job Winston!
“I didn’t want to wait around for a couple of hours like everyone else.” Yes, we are well aware of that.
“… the Government was doing all it could to figure out what did, or did not, happen.” You mean another working group or something similar to your so called investgation re staffers being subjected to mental, sexual and physical abuse etc?
Your solution – the state steps in and makes major sporting events free to air – is nothing more than a blatant and desperate attempt to reconnect with your rapidly disappearing support base.
Finally you make another promise to add to the ‘gunna’ list of promises that will never be delivered,
“For the first time, you’re going to see them without cost, live in New Zealand.” You are now treating us like the idiots you think we are.
GO AWAY WINSTON. YOU ARE THE IDIOT!
At least Spark acknowledged the problem and offered immediate redress. Something you and your coalition would/could never have done.
No doubt you have already sent off for your refund.
And remember you were only FORCED to watch one game on your phone while we are FORCED to watch your government stuff up our country on a daily basis.
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September 23, 2019 9:22am
- srylands
  
  If the degraded performance continues, it will be a PR disaster for Spark. But it is none of the Government’s business. It is a contractual matter between a private company and its customers. Anyway the entity with the highest incentive to “get to the bottom” of the problem is Spark. The last thing it needs is politicians wading into their business.
  
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  September 23, 2019 10:10am
  - sooty
    
    Why not?
    State phone company!
    #Labour lets do this#
    
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    September 23, 2019 12:14pm
  - Hard Cheese
    
    Yep, David Seymour is right on the money with this one. It’s none of the Government’s business, and unless the COL can provide a technical solution to a streaming problem, Peters needs to STFU
    
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    September 24, 2019 12:50am
Maggie Pie

One thing i discovered over the weekend, was that alcohol increases the size
of the ‘POST COMMENT’ icon by 89%
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September 23, 2019 9:27am
kowtow

Funny innit.

Dunedin is a red/ green electorate.

Kiwibank/Post office progressively closed all its branches till there’s but one “bank” branch left .Lots of jobs gone and lots less service provided.Not to mention the banks attempts to end cheque use and push its punters onto the net.

No outrage , no protests , barely a whimper .

But they want to do the same thing in Wellington and suddenly Labour MPs get on board.

Kiwibank is shit.And is now playing populist nationalist propaganda to try keep what little custom it has.

I find it odd in this era of PCness , of delivery , of nuclear moments that a far left regime is quite happy to lose jobs , services for the marginal , and promote populism .

Clearly it’s ok when the left do it.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/115992087/18yearold-kiwibank-still-has-only-4-per-cent-of-the-market-whats-happened#comments
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September 23, 2019 9:29am
- kevn
  
  @kowtow… KiwiBank still can’t stand on it’s own feet.
  Just looks like a hangout for disaffected big bank customers.
  
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  September 23, 2019 9:53am
  - DigNap15
    
    If you like sending you money overseas then stick with the big 4 aussie banks.
    If you are a patriotic kiwi, who cares about our balance of payments, then move to Kiwibank.
    I did, just after they started!
    
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    September 23, 2019 12:06pm
    - kowtow
      
      Please see my comment above.
      It’s a shit bank with a decreased level of service . If they don’t make an effort to look after their “kiwi” customers , then fuck ’em , I’ll bank with a bank that does at least make some effort to keep me , the customer happy.
      
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      September 23, 2019 3:05pm
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        Given that it was started by the old socialist fool Anderton, how could it be anything but a shit bank?
        
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        September 23, 2019 4:16pm
Prince

Pike River victims have been out of the media for a while, no press releases or photo ops for Andy and Ardern.
Can’t be any Pollie Polls in process.
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September 23, 2019 9:43am
- KiWombat
  
  Nothing seems to be happening down the road at Pike River. About four months ago there was a fleet of cement mixers going down Atarau Road towards the mine, but no notable traffic since.
  
  The were a couple of Police cars screaming down the road a couple of months back, but now it just seem to be locals and campervans again !
  
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  September 23, 2019 1:19pm
  - Nermal
    
    I bet our money is still being spent at a prodigious rate
    
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    September 23, 2019 4:49pm
- Yvette
  
  On cue –
  Pike River Mine tragedy families invited to go underground
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12270133
  
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  September 23, 2019 2:27pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  I wonder if they will ever admit that they were cynically used.
  
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  September 23, 2019 7:46pm
kevn

Now, about the missing ‘JAG letter’. On some sort of unofficial letterhead of course.
Where is it at?
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September 23, 2019 9:51am
The King

UK: “Children as young as SIX are to be given compulsory self-touching lessons that critics say are sexualising youngsters”

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7490415/Children-young-SIX-given-compulsory-self-touching-lessons.html

Compulsory

Self

Touching

There is nothing i can say that would ever make it past mods on this.
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September 23, 2019 9:54am
- Inandout
  
  TK, ironically these lessons probably won’t be taught in schools with a high Muslim attendance, like Parkfield, UK. No mention of Muslims here, but the pictures tell the story.
  
  https://metro.co.uk/2019/09/01/all-schools-to-get-support-on-teaching-lgbt-lessons-after-angry-parent-protests-10665028/
  
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  September 23, 2019 11:08am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    There it will be sexual emergencies and “other touching” vis a vis “self touching”….
    
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    September 23, 2019 11:43am
  - stephieboy
    
    Inandout, so you’re against undermining parental authority?
    
    Really!
    
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    September 23, 2019 3:03pm
- Pharmachick
  
  Yeah, but its the Daily Mail… a tabloid rag marginally better than the Sun (since YNWA, the Sun is banned in our household).
  
  Also be wary of the despicable twats from British red tops, they don’t even stop at the thought of hacking the voice-mail of a young girl that was a murder victim and messing with the entire police investigation …
  
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  September 23, 2019 3:56pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  I read the whole article. No child is being told to or taught to masturbate, simply that it is OK *if* they want to touch themselves *and* the time and place are appropriate: ‘alone, and certainly not in class when everyone is watching.’
  
  One commentator said ‘What happened to children being children. A part of growing up is self discovery.’
  But that’s just what this concept does: simply tells kids that self discovery is OK and that it should be done in private.
  
  I don’t understand what people are so het up about – as if most of us hadn’t done a fair bit of self discovery by that age.
  
  So the social liberal in me thinks this is not a big problem.
  
  But the financial conservative is wondering ‘why are they wasting public money on this?’
  
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  September 23, 2019 5:29pm
Prince

What have been the great spending initiatives of this transformational Gov, selected by the confused leader of NZF ?
1) $1B (at least) for some ‘provincial’ projects that have no public business case and no stated measurable objectives. No one knows the effect on employment or provincial economies. In other words, jobs for his mates and a waste of money.
2) Free first year tuition fees. Subsidies for mostly white, decile 10 kiddies of the chardonnay set. No increase in enrolments, a boost for their drinking fund. More waste.
3) Accelerated increase in minimal wage to be paid by someone else (think service industries). Poverty, homelessness, begging etc continue to grow.
4) Increase in foreign aid to some Pacific countries, generally noted for corruption and spending on the hierarchy.
5) Tax breaks for horse breeders. Tax increases for workers, commuters, beneficiaries and pensioners.

Have I left anything out ? Has there been any transformational effect of this Govt ?
Or is this the worst example of Government waste of a hard-won surplus in living memory ?
When they are turfed out next year their Cullen-like refrain of ‘We spent it all, there’s nothing left’ will echo around NZ for years.
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September 23, 2019 9:55am
Yvette

Christchurch City councillor allegedly sent ‘grossly inappropriate’ messages to young people.
Council members, including Mayor Lianne Dalziel, have been aware of the allegations since May.
The independent investigator will do a “preliminary assessment” to determine whether a full investigation is warranted, acting chief executive Mary Richardson said in a statement to Newshub.

What is wrong with Labour that they do not take these matters to the Police?

Is it that involving Police takes any control of the issue out of the hands of Labour?
Is it that involving Police removes any political timing of results out of the hands of Labour?
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September 23, 2019 10:13am
- Pharmachick
  
  Is it that the NZ Police
  (1) can’t/don’t care because its “he said/she said” and/or
  (2) “the burden of proof is too high and we won’t win so crown prosecution services tells us no” and/or
  (3) the cops in NZ have an abysmal record of even investigating (let alone prosecuting) this stuff?
  
  I am seriously confused, because the NZ Police are REALLY good at giving out traffic fines, so as to the other criminal acts in NZ what’s up?
  
  Asking for a friend.
  
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  September 23, 2019 4:01pm
WaveyDavey

Actually Kiwibank’s Notice Saver was very good until recently. iirc it was offering 3.5%+ for 90 days, the trick was to move the money in and instantly give notice so you set up 3 accounts and as they matured have them paid back into another notice saver account.

Worked very nicely until the interest rate plummeted
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September 23, 2019 10:14am
BobbyS

My NCEA Lvl 2 prodigy advised me that in his English mock exam last week, he had to write some essay on topic that included the words Winston Peters & statesman & success all mixed together
My reaction was something along the lines of WTF are you sure
His response was yeah some BS about Winston
I am now waiting for NZQA to send me a copy of the mock exam paper so I can see what propaganda he may be referring to
Watch this space KB people
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September 23, 2019 10:21am
- rightoverlabour
  
  It won’t be an NZQA issue. Some teacher is trying to be a bright spark. Howver If I were the student I would also have added Not a few times such as Winston Peters is the classic example of how not to be a statesman and how not to have success at anything he tries….
  
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  September 23, 2019 11:42am
Rodney Randall

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/115998472/mayor-knew-for-months-about-councillor-allegations

As Yardley pointed out on ZB this morning, there is a public perception, (rightly or wrongly) Dalziel is pretty close with the alleged offender, and could have been acting as a “mother hen” type character when she waded in and organised restorative meetings etc. It has also been reported that Dalziel told the alleged perp to stay away from any meetings where youth were present.

Yardley more importantly pointed out the period from May to now. “Were they hoping it would all go away?”

The optics are terrible and as Minto stated: “this is the worst of all possible outcomes” A governance nightmare for the incumbent
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September 23, 2019 11:04am
- chaos
  
  Perhaps read the article you have linked and realised she was meeting with them during that time to help them
  
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  September 23, 2019 11:35am
  - Michael
    
    Help herself and Labour too maybe?
    
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    September 23, 2019 11:45am
    - chaos
      
      how Dare her work with the victims to help them, she should of just threatened them and done nothing like labour, and unlike labour one news has said the police were informed but there was nothing they were able to do.
      
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      September 23, 2019 12:19pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Should have damnit….
        
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        September 23, 2019 5:58pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Michael, yes a big ” maybe.”! The alleged offender has identified himself as Deon Swiggs,
      
      https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/399416/christchurch-councillor-accused-of-inappropriate-behaviour-identifies-himself
      
      Next question?
      
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      September 23, 2019 3:08pm
  - Rodney Randall
    
    A great deal of help that has done too!
    Your concern is duly noted and I have no doubt that the incumbent will take great solace in your comforting words.
    
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    September 23, 2019 12:14pm
    - chaos
      
      Let’s see, she listened to the victims, she sought their input on what they wanted done. The police were informed but there was not anything they could do. She passed it on to be investigated . Yes a great deal she has done and a great deal more than labour did for the sexual assualt and rape victims in jacinda office, but some of you are so against anything a labour person does that you will never be able to admit she did any good to help these kids.
      
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      September 23, 2019 1:31pm
JibberJabber

Tip of the day,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=60&v=JTurSi0LhJs

STFUF.
(language)
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September 23, 2019 12:27pm
Jack5

The foreign internet crooks are now phoning New Zealanders and purporting to be from their bank.

I just took a call from a woman whose accent was so thick as to be indecipherable.

I tried to contact the bank, but couldn’t get through, and gave up. I was going to suggest that banks jointly could put up a few TV advts to warn the vulnerable about such calls. There are vulnerable folk out there who still believe that phone callers are really who they claim to be.

So if someone with a thick accent calls, knows your name (probably from some online purchase) and the name of your bank (from the same) just hang up. Don’t waste time trying to check with your bank, you’ll never get through.
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September 23, 2019 12:55pm
- chaos
  
  Scammers have been brought up so often, on the news, on fair go, on the radio, in the papers, if people do not know by now then I don’t think there is much more that can be done to stop people giving to them
  
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  September 23, 2019 1:13pm
- DigNap15
  
  Yes, we should be able to report such calls and telcos and ISP should be able to give them one warning and then ban their incoming calls.
  And preferably close their account in Nigeria or india.
  
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  September 23, 2019 1:40pm
cmm

These escooter things are a bloody hazard and should not be on the roads.

How they get to be on the roads is beyond me.

Any control system on the road (electronics & software) should be automotive grade – tested to automotive standards.

I know for a fact that they are not.

Lime software is low quality. It does not get anywhere near the testing and design auditing that it should.

Automotive software & electronics is extremely expensive and slow to develop. Software (& software testing) takes up around half the time and cost of releasing a new car. But, hey, it’s only a teeny tiny scooter, so she’ll be right!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/116013400/man-killed-in-escooter-crash-went-over-the-handlebars-when-wheel-locked-up–witness
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September 23, 2019 2:01pm
- sooty
  
  How did Lime get to remove the scooter and why is Chris Darby supporting Lime?
  edit
  Would there be a coranors inquest? So why did Lime remove the scooter?
  
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  September 23, 2019 3:00pm
  - cmm
    
    You are refering to this:
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/115980426/lime-escooter-death-no-faults-found-with-scooter-councillor-says
    
    Lime took the scooter, disassembled it and found not fault.
    
    How the hell did that happen? How did the cops allow that? This is just destruction of evidence.
    
    It looks a bit like this councilor is running interference for them.
    
    Not fault? Well I put $500 to a servo pie that the software is what is broken. Disassembly won’t find broken software.
    
    I am gobsmacked that a qualified and experienced firmware engineering team has not been called in to audit.
    
    These scooters should be off the road (& footpaths) until a proper audit has been completed. This will take a team of 5 to 10 suitable people a few months and will cost a chunk.
    
    There are probably less than 50 people in NZ that I would think are up to that job.
    
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    September 23, 2019 3:35pm
    - alex Masterley
      
      Dollars to donuts the bloke who came a cropper was pissed, was speeding on the thing and hit a speed table on westhaven drive causing him to loose control and crash.
      The place is littered with security cameras so the police will be reviewing them.
      
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      September 23, 2019 4:00pm
kevn

NZs biggest day at the …. UN ever. She says.
Well that’s great (only for JA).
In the biggest trougher organization ever.
Now, the meeting with Trump (which is closed to all media) is another story. Real.
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September 23, 2019 2:12pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Probably closed to the media because he’s going to give the SLG a right old spanking.
  
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  September 23, 2019 4:21pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    No grabbing though….
    
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    September 23, 2019 8:27pm
Jack5

Trump shuts out media for his chat with Jacinderella,

And nothing about Jacinderella in White House news releases (second link below) but five items about visit of Australia’s PM.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/399412/no-media-presence-as-pm-talks-trade-with-trump

And, White House’s news:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/news/
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September 23, 2019 2:20pm
- Batman
  
  This isn’t surprising.
  
  Side-meetings during UN Leaders Week usually aren’t media style affairs.
  
  And ScoMo was being hosted for a full state visit and dinner, rather than a meet and greet during another event.
  
  It’s like meeting for coffee during work instead of inviting them to stay over the holidays ?.
  
  Not defending Ardern, just saying they are different categories of event.
  
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  September 23, 2019 2:39pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    ‘It’s like meeting for coffee during work’
    
    But without the coffee…
    
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    September 23, 2019 3:00pm
    - kowtow
      
      Or the ministerial diary.
      
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      September 23, 2019 3:01pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Or the work.
        
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        September 23, 2019 5:54pm
    - stephieboy
      
      All on Red, yet another attempt at puny and shallow humour?
      
      BTW who are the netsafe solicitors your ranting on about?
      
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      September 23, 2019 3:11pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Dont insult me Stephie or I might turn up on your doorstep and see how brave you are about saying it to my face.
        
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        September 23, 2019 3:52pm
      - sooty
        
        I got pissed off with the pervert and just about traveled to Auckland to confront him in church!
        He would not have been welcomed back after a few home truths were aired in the middle of a service!
        
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        September 23, 2019 5:53pm
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Red, talk about stalking!
        
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        September 23, 2019 6:05pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        You’re the Stalker Stephie
        For years you’ve been running through the threads leaving smart and rude remarks to people.
        Your stalking of Maggy is just pure harassment.
        It’s sick.
        
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        September 23, 2019 6:35pm
  - DigNap15
    
    Yes, Its like Hi I’m Donald Trump, whats you name. where are you from?
    Oh look there’s a real leader from one of our allies, excuse me.
    
    Or
    Oh were you the one that called me orange?
    Excuse me I’m just going to talk to my hot wife who still looks good.
    
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    September 23, 2019 3:53pm
- cmm
  
  You’d think someone with a degree in PR could figure out that making statements along the lines of “professional arsehole” was not the right thing to do.
  
  I suppose though it played with her luvvies
  
  #CinD4UN!
  
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  September 23, 2019 2:54pm
  - chaos
    
    On the plus side she did call him a professional, she’s just an asshole
    
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    September 23, 2019 2:55pm
  - srylands
    
    ScoMo went a slightly different route on arrival at the White House yesterday:
    
    “Australians and Americans understand each other like few other peoples. And it is true that you [President Trump] and I have established a very early understanding, for which I am grateful. No two peoples in the world make better friends easier than ours. Your respect for Australia, Mr. President, your personal encouragement, and the example afforded by your passion for what makes America great makes ours a very easy connection.”
    
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    September 23, 2019 3:04pm
    - chaos
      
      *No two peoples in the world make better friends easier than ours.*
      
      Ouch, New Zealand
      
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      September 23, 2019 3:09pm
      - cmm
        
        .. and PriNZess feels a rush of pride.
        
        Put both the Aussies and the Yanks in their place.
        
        #CinD4UN.
        
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        September 23, 2019 4:03pm
    - DigNap15
      
      MAGA !
      
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      September 23, 2019 3:50pm
      - chaos
        
        what shame there wasn’t enough notice to send a make Ardern go away cap to trump
        
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        September 23, 2019 5:03pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Karma is a bitch. Personally, I think she did pull the plug on the media presence, but denied it. Well known liar. Wants to keep the “professional arsehole” comment out of the media
    
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    September 23, 2019 3:48pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Not without USA support. The UN Rep to Betio in Kirbati perhaps or NW Passage Controller in Greenland.
    
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    September 23, 2019 4:07pm
chaos

And now he has stood up and admitted it is him

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/116008780/christchurch-councillor-accused-of-inappropriate-texts-should-come-forward-says-deputy-mayor

Christchurch city councillor Deon Swiggs has outed himself as the person under investigation for allegedly sending “grossly inappropriate” messages to three young people.
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September 23, 2019 2:46pm
- The King
  
  He got caught halfway through grooming,so now he believes he can defense his way out of it because he did nothing criminally.
  
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  September 23, 2019 3:19pm
- MrLovebucket
  
  His wikipeado page has him as Labour
  
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deon_Swiggs
  
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  September 23, 2019 3:32pm
  - cmm
    
    Of course.
    
    If he hadn’t been the Danziel-led mod would have thrown him to the wolves long ago.
    
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    September 23, 2019 4:00pm
  - Rich Prick
    
    Until 2016 apparently. You can take the boy out of Labour, but not Labour out of the boy.
    
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    September 23, 2019 4:18pm
    - chaos
      
      I don’t know, I got the feeling looking through his Facebook he is still labour
      
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      September 23, 2019 5:02pm
    - Rich Prick
      
      Sorry, in context those last few words are dreadful. Apologies to the victims.
      
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      September 23, 2019 6:54pm
  - Swifty
    
    From Wikipedia:
    
    ‘On 26 August 2013, Swiggs announced he had put his nomination forward for the Christchurch East by-election.[9] On 22 September 2013 Swiggs found his nomination was unsuccessful. Poto Williams was selected and elected Member of Parliament.[10]’
    
    That doesn’t read right.
    
    It reads like someone has done a clumsy edit to remove references to the Labour party i.e. who did he put forward his nomination to? (answer is the Labour party).
    
    ‘Swiggs found his nomination unsuccessful.’ As determined by whom? (answer is the Labour party)
    
    ‘Poto Williams was selected.’ Selected by whom? And for what? (answer is the Labour party and to stand in the by-election).
    
    Someone has been trying to clean up.
    
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    September 23, 2019 4:23pm
- MrTips
  
  Oh dear. One of the luvvies got caught. Hopefully it doesn’t go anywhere near Hughes territory, because one of the complainants is only 13…….
  
  Nice one Labour. You’ve got the youth in the palms of your hands!
  
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  September 23, 2019 4:36pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Likes ‘swigging?’
  
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  September 23, 2019 5:47pm
srylands

I spotted this – a transcript of a joint press conference by ScoMo and Trump:

Trump: “I did tariff relief, with respect to a certain product [steel and aluminium] in particular coming out of Australia. And that’s something that we wouldn’t do for anybody else. This has been a truly great ally and we work very well together.”

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-prime-minister-morrison-australia-joint-press-conference/

It would appear that New Zealand is wasting its time looking for special treatment on the tariff front.
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September 23, 2019 2:58pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  Calling Trump a Professional Arsehole is definitely going to be a game-changer….. Even Winston Peters, as much as I can’t stand the man, does not make stuff-ups like this on the international stage.
  
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  September 23, 2019 3:09pm
  - kevn
    
    @rol… plus the JA ‘orange look’ comment.
    It will be a nothing ‘meeting’.
    
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    September 23, 2019 3:32pm
  - Akarak
    
    No. Winston would be asleep.
    
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    September 23, 2019 4:58pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  See Jacinda? You fucked up again
  
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  September 23, 2019 3:50pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Gisborne’s choices for Mayor:
Ross Meurant – doesn’t live in the place, but has business dealings with an absentee Russian owner of property in Gisborne

Rehette Stoltz, current Mayor

Meredith Akuhata-Brown, Kaiti local, seems to have a problem that previous Mayor was Chinese. (Tho’ he was born & raised in Gisborne)
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/399414/meet-the-candidates-vying-to-be-their-region-s-first-maori-mayor
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September 23, 2019 3:11pm
- stephieboy
  
  [Mod – deleted. Stephie, your obsession with Maggy’s posts is getting unhealthy. Making a quip about harrassment and stalking suggests you know exactly what you’re doing. Please desist.]
  
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  September 23, 2019 3:17pm
  - Swifty
    
    You just can’t help yourself can you?
    
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    September 23, 2019 3:50pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Mod: How many chances does this pervert get?
    
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    September 23, 2019 5:18pm
    - sooty
      
      Stephie, follows the Labour party mantra!
      He just pines for the older lady for some reason!
      Probably him that paid 5grand for Eva Bruins underwear?
      
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      September 23, 2019 6:02pm
      - Swifty
        
        ‘Probably him that paid 5grand for Eva Bruins underwear?’
        
        Heh heh.
        
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        September 23, 2019 6:24pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Older lady?
        
        For god’s sake, I’m nearly 70.
        I’ve one foot in the grave..
        
        stephieboy’s obsession is weird, creepy , relentless, and surely worthy of a Labour Party badge of merit.
        
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        September 23, 2019 9:08pm
    - kowtow
      
      All it does is troll . It needs a permanent ban, not for its opinions , but cos it’s nothing but a troll.
      
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      September 23, 2019 7:21pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Moderator, it is not an obsession or a fixation for that matter IMO.
    
    Merely challenging some of her beliefs and ideas that I sometimes disagree with especially on climate change.
    
    {Mod – I call bullshit on that Stephie. The smart-alec remark about “harrassment and staling” (sic) gave you away.]
    
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    September 23, 2019 6:09pm
    - Swifty
      
      JUST STOP!
      
      Challenge other people’s beliefs all you want but just leave Maggy alone.
      
      STOP!
      
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      September 23, 2019 6:39pm
    - rightoverlabour
      
      Crap. You never challenge the beliefs and ideas. You disparage and mock. You never argue the point. So don’t come with your “merely challenging..”
      
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      September 23, 2019 6:55pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      That is a lie.
      You have been stalking me on this blog for years.
      You do not challenge my beliefs… you abuse me and tell lies about me.
      You attach Nazi -related material to my posts.
      You request information about my underwear.
      You repeatedly deny that you are lying about your behaviour.
      
      However stephieboy, I no longer think anyone on here is unclear as to what you are doing.
      
      You confirm daily that your behaviour is that of an abuser.
      
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      September 23, 2019 7:06pm
- mandk
  
  “Meredith Akuhata-Brown, Kaiti local, seems to have a problem that previous Mayor was Chinese. (Tho’ he was born & raised in Gisborne)”
  
  Just what we need – another racist Maori politician.
  
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  September 23, 2019 3:40pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Rehette Stolz will piss in. She’s classy.
  
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  September 23, 2019 4:27pm
  - MH
    
    as long as they put in a macron or tohutō over the u of Manawatū which has its origins in a waiata, Ka tatū e hine ko Manawatū, describing the search by ancestor, Haunui-a-Nanaia, for his wife.
    I have several left over macrons at bargain prices, here are a few samples – – – – – — – –
    others that fell off the shelf are discounted_ _ _ _ but can be repaired and lifted back into place by approved langwistadors and certified by Kaumatuas in the vicinity.
    
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    September 23, 2019 4:55pm
    - Tall Man
      
      For a small koha of course…..
      
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      September 23, 2019 6:59pm
- Johnboy
  
  Odakyu-sen for mayor seems good to me! 🙂
  
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  September 23, 2019 5:46pm
Maggy Wassilieff

BTW does this qualify has harassment or staling under the NZ legislation?

I would say that it does, because it repeats your pattern of using this platform to continue to post smears, or innuendo or lies about me.

It also is a signal to me that you are still obsessed with targetting me.

But why not send your query to the moderators or DPF: they make the decisions – not me.

[Mod – Maggy; see above]
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September 23, 2019 3:56pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Maggy:
  
  [I]t repeats your pattern of using this platform to continue to post smears, or innuendo or lies about me. It also is a signal to me that you are still obsessed with targetting me.
  
  Stephieboy has previously claimed that someone posted a notice on the St Albans church door telling everyone that he’s a “cyberbully” and a “pervert” (in block capitals). If Stephieboy’s claim is true – and it may not be – then the postman may visit again. Of course, I don’t have direct knowlege of the matter, but I’m sure Stephieboy can keep us informed!
  
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  September 23, 2019 4:46pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    @Nostradamus
    
    Performing nasty actions against fellow human beings is not part of my make-up.
    (and ultimately it would reflect back on this blog)
    
    The problem of stephieboy’s trolling/harassment/smears needs to be dealt with here.
    
    Either I’m interpreting things the wrong way…and will have to suck it up….or stephieboy needs to modify his behaviour.
    
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    September 23, 2019 5:57pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Nostradamus, posting the notice is true and the irony is that its the perfect example of cyberbullying and stalking.
    
    Of course, the offender hasn’t the guts to own up.
    
    The postman or more accurately ( as I suggested ) stalker and manically obsessed is perfectly entitled to have another go.
    
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    September 23, 2019 6:15pm
    - pentwig
      
      stephie
      you are disgusting!
      a troll and a stalker of MW and an abuser of KB!
      why DPF and his mods allow you to continue your sick mind and actions/comments confuses me
      you are really sick, seek help!
      
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      September 23, 2019 6:52pm
    - Swifty
      
      Why the hell should anyone ever own up to you of all people?
      
      Every time you’re wrong, you never cough, you just scurry away like a rat and act like nothing ever happened.
      
      And whoever nailed the note on the church door I take my hat off to you. That whole episode was one of the funniest things I’ve read my whole time on KB.
      
      And, just for you Stiffy, here is the identity of the phantom note poster revealed:
      
      https://gohighbrow.com/philosophy-of-martin-luther-and-the-reformation/
      
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      September 23, 2019 8:44pm
Johnboy

Oh what an absolutely wonderful title this lady has! 🙂
“During the winter months, Wellington Regional Hospital frequently operates with a high levels of occupancy,” CCDHB strategy, innovation and performance executive director Rachel Haggerty said in a statement on Monday.”
No wonder sick folk are being cured at unprecedented levels compared to when we had lots of Doctors and dreadful old Matrons in charge! 🙂

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/116009009/wellington-regional-hospital-among-many-hospitals-too-small-for-population
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September 23, 2019 4:22pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Johnboy:
  
  Just a tip in case you weren’t already aware: there’s a new blog in town (ysb.co.nz) and some of us comment there too.
  
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  September 23, 2019 4:56pm
  - Johnboy
    
    Are you folk constantly moderated for obvious political reasons or is it more like KB once was? 🙂
    
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    September 23, 2019 5:06pm
    - sooty
      
      It’s like how KB was before Branton Tarrant shot up Christchurch and Cindy got the shits!
      
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      September 23, 2019 5:46pm
      - stephieboy
        
        “..and Cindy got the shits!”
        
        ???
        
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        September 23, 2019 6:17pm
      - Tall Man
        
        “Gave the shits” is more accurate I think. She’s like a bloody virus.
        
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        September 23, 2019 6:54pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Jesus Johnboy, it is not that bad. I post some objective shit, and I still have no 1st strike – since fucking ages ago. 10 years ago? maybe more.
      Make it to not insult, but if a fact is a fact, then you can run it.
      Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern is a LIAR! Prove me wrong!
      
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      September 23, 2019 5:55pm
      - Tall Man
        
        No argument from me…….
        
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        September 23, 2019 6:55pm
    - pentwig
      
      johnboy
      yes!!!!!!
      
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      September 23, 2019 6:42pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    They were calling for you over there…desperate for information about Wainuiomata and temperature control of their spa pools.
    
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    September 23, 2019 6:11pm
MH

stephie boy – I think replying mostly in the negative to MW and to almost every post she puts up is unhealthy and unworthy. I would let things go for a while. She has intimated it is a form of harassment once the “amusement” had worn off. I think being targeted yourself is not healthy either and I would miss some of your replies and counter arguments if you and your gang would be sanctioned -but not always. Not that my opinion matters being more of the lightweight commentator type, but just take it easy.
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September 23, 2019 4:36pm
- Tall Man
  
  Not sure why you think reasoning with steffy girl is a task worth pursuing but if you want to waste your energy go for it just await the backlash.
  
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  September 23, 2019 6:51pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh dear,
Guy Williams and Media 3 seem incapable of doing a few background checks
https://thespinoff.co.nz/tv/23-09-2019/three-removes-episode-of-guy-williams-show-after-serious-allegations-surface-online/
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September 23, 2019 4:59pm
- Johnboy
  
  What an absolutely wonderful comment Maggs! 🙂
  May I say that I will have no truck at all with folk like those who attempt to denigrate you!
  May they rot in hell for all eternity. 🙂
  
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  September 23, 2019 5:04pm
- greybeard
  
  Ahh!
  The classy side of NZ is revealed.
  
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  September 23, 2019 5:45pm
- Swifty
  
  Heh.
  
  I see that the MMM’s totara is not that mighty.
  
  More like a little seedling.
  
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  September 23, 2019 6:05pm
- kowtow
  
  Wanker Williams doesn’t like the Crusaders’ name but he will promote a criminal gang . Wot’s more said crimianls have a nazi themed you tube show “heils kitchen” , everyone has a problem with wot’s his face saying seig heil .But the criminal gang has 100,000 followers !
  
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  September 23, 2019 7:33pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Golriz is such a lucky, lucky girl…
  
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  September 23, 2019 8:44pm
  - Rich Prick
    
    Where do you start with that fucking airhead hypocrite?
    
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    September 23, 2019 10:37pm
Johnboy

“Gisborne’s choices for Mayor:
Ross Meurant – doesn’t live in the place, but has business dealings with an absentee Russian owner of property in Gisborne”
Seems like just the right sort of chap all you Gizzyidiots should vote for. 🙂
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September 23, 2019 5:13pm
Johnboy

Oh look! 🙂
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/116010171/why-jacinda-ardern-didnt-get-a-trump-banquet-but-australias-scott-morrison-did
I have heard that Trumpie is very sensitive to folk gnashing their teeth. Perhaps that’s the answer? 🙂
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September 23, 2019 5:41pm
- Rich Prick
  
  First prize, half an hour with Cindy. Second prize, an entire evening. Trump wins.
  
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  September 23, 2019 6:25pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Ardern calling Trump a “professional asshole” is not something he’ll ever forgive.
  
  She has, with a single woke-rousing line, consigned NZ to diplomatic backwaters.
  
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  September 23, 2019 6:28pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    The USA will also know all details of Labour’s scandals… not much will be missing their 5 eyes.
    
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    September 23, 2019 7:37pm
    - sooty
      
      Plus the people in the embassy scaning the media and the blogs. Even here!
      So you had better not plan on a holiday, stephie!
      
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      September 23, 2019 8:10pm
Tall Man

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/mike-hosking-breakfast/audio/john-mayhew-sam-cane-should-have-been-allowed-to-return-to-the-field/

Final confirmation that ardern is an idiot and is playing this game for herself and no one else.

Her stance will make us the laughing stock of the world which, despite steffy’s best efforts, has not happened so far.
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September 23, 2019 6:12pm
krazykiwi

Q: How do you know when a woke, socialist, and economic-with-the-truth politician is staring down the barrel of election-day defeat?

A: They start offering tax reduction bribes for middle income earners.
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September 23, 2019 6:17pm
- stigie
  
  Yep, good ole Sweet Cheeks for all the good it’s going to do !~
  
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  September 23, 2019 6:55pm
chaos

I think in the times we live where people look for things in everything people that are huggers instead of hand shakers may need to reconsider that

*The 13-year-old spoke to RNZ’s Checkpoint programme on Monday, where he was given the alias “Josh”.

He told RNZ he met Swiggs at an event, where was “bear hugged” after going in for a handshake. It made him feel “unsafe”, he said.

Josh also alleged Swiggs messaged him on Facebook “out of the blue” and late at night asking him why he did not have a profile picture and calling him an “very attractive lad”.*

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/116008780/christchurch-councillor-accused-of-inappropriate-texts-should-come-forward-says-deputy-mayor
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September 23, 2019 8:12pm
Maggy Wassilieff

How the hell does this sort of behaviour happen?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/115931064/prison-sentences-for-couple-who-starved-vulnerable-man-under-their-care

Who was too afraid to challenge the care-givers?
Who thought placing a vulnerable man in the care of a criminal was a great idea?
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September 23, 2019 8:13pm
- chaos
  
  too many bloody stories of elder abuse lately, disgusting
  
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  September 23, 2019 8:41pm
- Komata
  
  Maggy@2013
  
  Re: ‘Who was too afraid to challenge the care-givers?
  Who thought placing a vulnerable man in the care of a criminal was a great idea?’
  
  The answer is easy: The deceased was Maori, the ‘carers’ were also Maori, probably from the same Tribe / Iwi, etc. and they no doubt assured ‘Whomever’ that they would care for him in ‘The proper Maori way’.
  
  As has been proven elsewhere, and irrespective of age, the ‘Proper Maori Way’ is frequently violent, abusive and ultimately ‘Terminal’, although no doubt the carer’s made a handsome profit from their endeavours…
  
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  September 23, 2019 9:34pm
Hugh Pavletich

Fonterra … delayed results out mid week …

Keith Woodford sets out how the seeds of Fonterra’s current situation were sown a long time ago, driven by over-confidence and arrogance in the overarching company culture … Interest Co NZ

https://www.interest.co.nz/rural-news/101797/keith-woodford-sets-out-how-seeds-fonterra%E2%80%99s-current-situation-were-sown-long-time

In my last article I wrote about Fonterra’s capital structure, how it operates, and how it is no longer fit for purpose. This article here explores aspects of how Fonterra got into its structural dilemma. …read more via hyperlink above …
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September 23, 2019 8:18pm
Nostradamus

Public service notice for Stephieboy (hat-tip: Harvey at YSB): Pair of underwear belonging to Eva Braun sell at auction for more than $4,600.

A pair of underpants that belonged to Eva Braun, the wife of Nazi leader Adolf Hitler, has been sold by a British auction house for more than $4,600. The BBC reported that an anonymous phone bidder purchased the pink silk underwear, which bears Braun’s initials and was auctioned off by Humbert & Ellis Auctioneers in Towcester, England, for 3,700 pounds ($4,614).

Could be a good way to kick-start your alt-right collection?
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September 23, 2019 8:29pm
- PhilP
  
  The Fat German probably bought them Nostra!
  
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  September 23, 2019 9:29pm
- Swifty
  
  Hmmm, Nosty, this has me very perplexed.
  
  Would they end up:
  
  1. Put away in a drawer somewhere?
  2. Framed and up on a wall?
  3. Along with other Nazi garments put on a female mannequin resident in the living room?
  4. Personally worn by the new owner, perhaps on trips to the mall?
  
  What do others think?
  
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  September 23, 2019 9:37pm
- Rich Prick
  
  He likes little pert pubescent Islamic breasts in tight western style jeans. Others will no doubt have the link to his comment that got his manky old raincoat rustling at St Lukes mall. He’s Labour through and through and should be on a watch list.
  
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  September 23, 2019 10:30pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    December 3, 2015 2:26pm
    
    Jack 5, recently i was at St Luke’s shopping mall and I saw a Muslim lady dressed in traditional apparel accompanied by her two beautiful young daughters dressed in modern western tight jeans and blouses , revealing lovely supple body proportions , including small but ample breasts .
    
    August 21, 2016 8:51am
    
    Yesterday I was at the Robert Harris cafe St Lukes Megacentre , Mt Albert enjoying a cappuccino. I noticed next door three Muslim women enjoying their lattes with their children . Two of these honeypots .were wearing their Nijabs with stylish jeans and blouses . The other in more typical kiwi informal attire .
    
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    September 23, 2019 10:38pm
    - Rich Prick
      
      Jesus, that’s the one. Thanks. I bet he was tenting his raincoat.
      
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      September 23, 2019 11:06pm
      - sooty
        
        I bet he has the trousers that are cutoff at the knees and held up with a piece of string and nothing else under his raincoat!
        
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        September 24, 2019 5:30pm
rightoverlabour

Pluto is warming. Now what the fuck are the Climate Strike Kids going to do about that?

https://watchers.news/2019/09/22/solar-system-approaching-the-closest-position-to-the-galactic-core-energetic-region-altering-magnetic-fields-of-the-sun-and-all-planets/

By the way, if you listen to none other, listen to Tony Heller. He knows his shit!

https://realclimatescience.com/who-is-tony-heller/
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September 23, 2019 9:11pm
- Rich Prick
  
  Let’s shove the fuckers on a rocket to get them there so they can protest and strike and do all of their stupid shit there.
  
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  September 23, 2019 11:15pm
Hugh Pavletich

… United Kingdom … Thomas Cook …

… What lessons should be learned from this ? …

THOMAS COOKED Thomas Cook LIVE UPDATES – ‘Holidays DOUBLE in price’ after travel firm collapses … The Sun

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9983557/thomas-cook-news-liv-latest-updates/

Thomas Cook travel chaos: firm’s collapse leaves 150,000 stranded abroad – live update … The Guardian

https://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2019/sep/23/thomas-cook-travel-chaos-insolvency-leaves-150000-stranded-on-holidays-live-updates

Why did Thomas Cook collapse after 178 years in business? … The Guardian

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/sep/23/thomas-cook-as-the-world-turned-the-sun-ceased-to-shine-on-venerable-tour-operator
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September 24, 2019 3:16am
Hugh Pavletich

NEW ZEALAND: Housing affordability is STILL the biggest public policy issue in New Zealand … IPSOS July 2019 Monitor …

The Ipsos New Zealand Issues Monitor – July 2019

https://www.ipsos.com/en-nz/ipsos-new-zealand-issues-monitor-july-2019

https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/ct/news/documents/2019-08/6th_ipsos_new_zealand_issues_monitor_released_1_aug_19.pdf
The 2019 15th Edition Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey released 21 January clearly illustrates why … being the worst in the Anglosphere due to inept political leadership …

2019 15th Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey

http://www.demographia.com/dhi.pdf

Housing Affordability Ratings … Median Multiples … All Markets

Australia 5.7
Canada 4.0
China (Hong Kong) 20.9
Ireland 3.7
New Zealand 6.5
Singapore 4.6
United Kingdom 4.8
United States 3.5
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September 24, 2019 5:18am
softail 1450

NZ ,blogger Terry Opines has referred to the eco warrior Greta Thunberg as a “useful idiot”,it’s very hard not to agree with his comments when all she is saying is what any 15 year old will spout if given a chance.
The way this disabled child has been put on a pedestal is actually laughable and verging on child abuse ,to watch all the adults in the room listening to her with stars in their eyes and asking her questions as if she’s the second coming of Einstein.
I would put it as the same level of spew inducing tripe as Jacinda bringing her baby into the UN debating chamber.
I say f—-k off Greta……stop lecturing me FFS.
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September 24, 2019 6:40am
- Rich Prick
  
  She’s their Prophet and can walk on CO2s. Every religion has one.
  
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  September 24, 2019 7:19am
softail 1450

Peters reckons Ardern is going to make a “big impression” on Donald Trump,I agree DT will walk away from the meeting thinking WTF was that?
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