General Debate 19 September 2019

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Right of way is Way of Right

Arrrrrrrrr. Shiver me timbers me hearties. Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum. Ya harrrrrrrr.
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September 19, 2019 8:02am
- Bill felt
  
  Ayyye me hearties – it’s international talk like a pirate day!
  
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  September 19, 2019 8:14am
  - sooty
    
    Mad Mike misses out!
    
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    September 19, 2019 8:31am
  - tranquil
    
    Aye, it is, Bill me matey……. 😉
    
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    September 19, 2019 9:28am
  - Ian Hawthorn
    
    Shakespeare apparently spoke like a pirate.
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2QYGEwM1Sk
    
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    September 19, 2019 7:34pm
- tranquil
  
  Aye – it is, me matey……. 😉
  
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  September 19, 2019 9:26am
tf78

It’s time for some wonderful philanthropists to start a brand new University in NZ. Any takers I wonder.
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September 19, 2019 8:02am
- Liberty
  
  What a very good idea.
  Ideally controlled by real Capitalists (If you can find them)
  No lefty academics who spend the day sucking of the state tit.
  Watching fluffy clouds move across the sky.
  Any degree that entails “conversation” and “ process” would not be available.
  
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  September 19, 2019 10:05am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  We need an elite University, either new or by upgrading an existing one. Other countries have them. It should be hard to get into, so the top students can get a qualification that actually means something.
  
  Ideally all the universities should be elite and most people currently enrolled should just not be there. But that is probably too hard to achieve now.
  
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  September 19, 2019 10:24am
  - tranquil
    
    I’d **love** to see what I would call “conservative Universities” founded.
    
    These would teach the “core sciences” – chemistry, physics, maths, geology.
    Maybe archaeology and astronomy as well.
    History too, done with an unapologetic pro-Western view.
    This would include the “greats of science and invention”.
    
    Oh – **logic and reasoning** too, and being able to see “logical fallacies” in a debate.
    
    Probably *not* geography as that’s a “softer science” – more of a chance for SJW BS to seep into that.
    Definitely **NO** social “science” courses.
    
    Economics? I’d like to include that (as long as it could be made “SJW-hijack-proof”).
    
    I think “conservative University” could have a real “ring” to it.
    
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    September 19, 2019 11:26am
  - MH
    
    And your mum and dad pays a lump sum to get you in. And they get a black spot on their palms.
    
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    September 19, 2019 1:41pm
Biscuit

So not only does Jassy not know what day of the week it is but it now also transpires she doesn’t even know which COUNTRY she’s in.
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September 19, 2019 8:04am
- Evadne
  
  Her excuse? “You’ll understand I’ve been on continuous travel and just this moment stopped here,”
  
  It’s a direct, 11 hour flight, in business class, with an effective 3 hour time difference. You don’t get jet lag.
  
  By “continuous”, does she mean the plane kept flying? That it exhausted her attention span? That it’s longer than she’s used to sticking at one thing?
  
  For the rest of us, “continuous travel” conjures up memories of 36 hours of long haul, connecting flights, transits and airport transfers, all in cattle class, across a dozen time zones. And we’d back ourselves to name a country right in a scheduled interview.
  
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  September 19, 2019 8:30am
  - srylands
    
    I used to travel to Europe on business for the government. Business class. But the deal was you arrived at your destination, had a shower and went straight to your meetings. No naps. No excuses.
    
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    September 19, 2019 8:48am
  - niggly
    
    So I suppose, judging by the words Ardern chose to use (“You’ll understand I’ve been on continuous travel and just this moment stopped here”), and your analogy, that either Ardern is a bit thick or has a habit of brushing off a mistake with an instantaneous lie?
    
    Just like any other day then?
    
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    September 19, 2019 8:51am
  - Biscuit
    
    Agreed, Evadne.
    
    I remember one trip back from London.
    
    For some unknown reason it stopped off at Muscat in the Persian Gulf.
    
    Refuelling, perhaps?
    
    Whatever, we stayed on the tarmac for half an hour … and some dolt decided ‘Hey, let’s open the doors’.
    
    90 o of heat had everyone sweating like a Labour Party perp.
    
    The plane then departed for Singapore with everyone’s body odour wafting about.
    
    But I don’t recall getting jetlagged…
    
    If Jass calls Japan ‘China’ after 11 hours of luxurious trvael, what’s she gonna do when she shakes hands with The Donald after the even-longer flight to New York?
    
    ‘Hello, President Obama. I’m delighted to be here in South Canada’?
    
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    September 19, 2019 9:04am
- sooty
  
  Hay, she’s a sleep at the wheel!
  Is she blonde?
  
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  September 19, 2019 8:32am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Dare to send me a dik-pik, sooty? 🙂
    
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    September 19, 2019 8:52am
  - tf78
    
    sooty – funnily enough her natural hair is a mousy sort of blond.
    
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    September 19, 2019 9:23am
    - sooty
      
      So the drapes, don’t match the rug, is that what you are saying?
      
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      September 19, 2019 10:15am
      - 453mm
        
        I truly do not ever want to know the answer to that question.
        
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        September 19, 2019 12:44pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Ive been asked that thousands of times – i always say, “What rug?” 🙂
        
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        September 19, 2019 1:15pm
      - freethinker
        
        Not beating about the Bush today then Sooty
        
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        September 19, 2019 1:20pm
      - paul scott
        
        you shall know the truth, and that truth will set you free.
        
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        September 19, 2019 6:56pm
- Paginus
  
  As the left would say, she’s a racist old white women
  
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  September 19, 2019 8:43am
- alex Masterley
  
  She is useless and an embarassment to us all.
  
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  September 19, 2019 9:11am
- cmm
  
  Reset!
  
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  September 19, 2019 9:25am
- Scooter
  
  Looks alittle fake to me, as if she did it on purpose to create abit of news for herself.
  
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  September 19, 2019 9:49am
- calendar girl
  
  In its coverage, with no identifying byline, the “Herald” generously described the diplomatic faux pas as understandable:
  
  “While the gaffe was understandable at the end of a long-haul flight it came at an awkward time.”
  
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  September 19, 2019 10:08am
  - cmm
    
    Aww poor thing can’t be expected to function properly. Got to make allowances for being a mum and BEING COMPLETELEY STUPID.
    
    As I have noted before, she’s the Bridget Jones politician. Bumbling along day after day is part of her quirky charm.
    
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    September 19, 2019 12:01pm
    - JeffW
      
      Charm? Can’t see it myself.
      
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      September 19, 2019 5:35pm
- Tricati
  
  Let’s face it, Cindy is a media generated ‘celebrity Politician’ and not a statesperson; being more aligned to a Kardashian type figure.
  She was unable to win a parliamentary electorate seat, so had to be gifted Mt Albert, as was the Prime Ministership, by a bitter list MP with 7% of the vote.
  The fact she is aligned with Macron and Trudeau, who are both failing in their respective countries, shows the shallowness of her thinking.
  Leaving behind the Labour Sex scandal and the Ihumatao debacle she inflamed, she thinks she is heading off to international adoration, but alas, her latest gaff of calling Japan China, shows a total lack of Political awareness and has just embarrassed NZ further. Its just a disgrace.
  
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  September 19, 2019 12:13pm
  - John Warren
    
    Reading the comments on various articles on overseas news sites, I do get the impression that foreigners aren’t as stupid or gullible as we fear.
    
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    September 19, 2019 4:05pm
  - paul scott
    
    The Trudeau election coming is nail biter. Canadian people are bizarrely liberal in great numbers. Like New Zealand there is a massive block of low imnformation voters.
    
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    September 19, 2019 7:00pm
- JackRabbit
  
  You could understand if she was drunk from knocking back a bottle of Whiskey on the flight over. The only think she is drunk on however, is her own self importance, and zero empathy or concern for others.
  
  Back in private after meetings, probably told her aides “I was confused over which country I was in, because they all look the same.”
  
  One country is rampantly socialist and state controlled, the other is strongly capitalist with strong family values.
  
  She compartmentalizes her two personalities – the false pretty one she wants the public to see, and the ugly bitter ego-eccentric socialist one. To cover up the rape culture revelations, and prevent Freudian slips, she has had to re-write things in her mind, and suppress the truth, causing internal stress. In typical Jungian form her unconscious is fighting back resulting in brain farts.
  
  Such as forgetting which country she is in despite their different names, and different cultures.
  
  Such as on the 9th September stating you only just found out about the sexual assaults, and forgetting you were interviewed about the sexual assaults in the media a month earlier.
  
  Such as forgetting all the promises you made at election time to not increase taxes, then go ahead and increase petrol tax.
  
  Such as forgetting you marched in an anti-trump rally, and instead calling it a womens ‘ rally.
  
  Although the last three could just be because she appears to be, like all socialists, a chronic liar. Mind you chronic lying also comes with its fair share of brain farts. The thing that trips up liars is that they do not have a memory big enough to remember who they told what and when.
  
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  September 19, 2019 2:49pm
  - paul scott
    
    Jack Rabbit>> If you replay the interviews over assault and Gayford and Sroubek allegations you will see the body language , the brittle gitted clipped voice and to any astute observer it is a total give away.
    
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    September 19, 2019 7:03pm
Poppa

Well as predicted the embarrassment has begun with our beloved princess referring to Japan as China.

She has no idea where she is for Christs sake! How much worse can she get?

And to top it off she said she won’t rule out buying the land off Fletcher Building. In many ways I hope she does, that will sink this excuse for a government without question.
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September 19, 2019 8:04am
- G152
  
  Imagine how this is going to affect their 100,000 Kiwibuild.
  Theres not a developer who will trust government or Maori now since this land snatch.
  
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  September 19, 2019 8:34am
- Simon
  
  The lights are on but no one is at home.
  
  She is just going through the motions now. Complete lack of sincerity. Might as well have sent a hologram.
  
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  September 19, 2019 8:52am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    The wheel is turning, but there’s no hamster…
    
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    September 19, 2019 9:56am
  - sooty
    
    Or used skype!
    
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    September 19, 2019 10:16am
- alloytoo
  
  If she can’t remember what country she’s in, (either didn’t remember, or read the briefing) how can she say anything with confidence about her office’s sex scandal.
  
  Does she even remember where said office is?
  
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  September 19, 2019 9:47am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    The office is where she picks up the pay cheque; no way will she forget where that is!
    
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    September 19, 2019 10:48am
Maggy Wassilieff

Our Prime Minister arrived in Japan and called it China.
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/content/tvnz/onenews/story/2019/09/19/ardern.html
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September 19, 2019 8:06am
- chaos
  
  Well in her defence she is Jacinda Ardern. Not the smartest prime minister any country has ever had
  
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  September 19, 2019 8:26am
  - MH
    
    the duke of Edinburgh said asians had slitty eyes so i can understand her pre dica mint.
    
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    September 19, 2019 1:48pm
- Lance
  
  Well, we do know that it is Labour party policy to lump all people with Asian sounding names together as foreign carpetbaggers.
  The collective are called “Chinese”.
  Cindy was just sticking to the script
  
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  September 19, 2019 9:06am
  - G152
    
    Chinky named countries all the same sounding to Cindy
    
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    September 19, 2019 11:09am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Just showed the clip to Hubby who declared:
  she’s worse than G.W. Bush.
  
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  September 19, 2019 9:28am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    To be fair to G.W. Bush…his mistake was regarding the capital of Pakistan (Islamabad).
    She has managed to insult 2 countries with a combine population of about 1/3 the worlds population.
    
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    September 19, 2019 9:35am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      two out of three of the worlds largest economies, our trading partners.
      
      She is an embarrassment.
      
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      September 19, 2019 10:50am
Happychappy

Jacinda Ardern won’t rule out Government purchasing Ihumatoa after mana whenua breakthrough.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/09/jacinda-ardern-won-t-rule-out-government-purchasing-ihum-tao-after-mana-whenua-breakthrough.html
Surely Winston Peter’s cannot or will not allow this to happen as it might be a step to far for his supporters.
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September 19, 2019 8:06am
- ldypen
  
  Here’s what I predict.. Cindy’s lot will “loan” some of our money to the mana whenua to buy the land back, that way they can say it’s not the government buying anything so it does not affect any settlements etc.
  
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  September 19, 2019 8:12am
  - sooty
    
    Do you expect them ever, ever to pay it back!
    At what interst rate and how long?
    
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    September 19, 2019 8:35am
    - ldypen
      
      As with any payments to Maori it will be at -50%
      
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      September 19, 2019 8:49am
    - alloytoo
      
      All Simon has to say is that National will immediately recall those loans.
      
      Should be a friggin landslide.
      
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      September 19, 2019 9:49am
      - paul scott
        
        nice, but the soyboy isn’t made of anything strong.
        
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        September 19, 2019 7:07pm
    - Tauhei Notts
      
      This will be New Zealanders’ first look at negative interest rates.
      A concept that I am still trying to get my head around.
      
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      September 19, 2019 9:54am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    . . . it does not get paid back, written off as a line in government accounts somewhere, under the carpet with all the other stuff ups and bodies . . .
    
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    September 19, 2019 8:39am
  - Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes
    
    I suspect that the crown will uise the public works act to acquire the land, and turn it into a park.
    
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    September 19, 2019 10:12am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Does our PM ever talk to her Deputy PM?
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018713926/winston-peters-getting-involved-in-ihumatao-may-not-be-in-the-national-interest
  
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  September 19, 2019 8:16am
  - chaos
    
    Her deputy is not well.
    
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    September 19, 2019 12:06pm
- Rich Prick
  
  Who is advising her? Or is this her own brainfart?
  
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  September 19, 2019 8:30am
  - Inandout
    
    RP, Jacinda is a figurehead and Winston is pulling the strings. Note how Winston intervenes and gains votes for NZF; this has happened before.
    
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    September 19, 2019 8:36am
    - tui47
      
      Winston is over. If voters want Labour they vote for Labour. Winston has lost the voters he had gained from National. He has barely delivered a ‘bottomline’ . There is no reason for anyone to vote NZ First. Both NZ First and Labour will be unable to campaign on their big promises of lower immigration and more houses.
      
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      September 19, 2019 10:07am
  - sooty
    
    She read it on the back of her weetbix package!
    
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    September 19, 2019 8:36am
    - DigNap15
      
      Or on Spin Off
      
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      September 19, 2019 9:49am
    - 453mm
      
      She can read?
      
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      September 19, 2019 12:48pm
      - freethinker
        
        Reading and understanding are different skills, ardern got F in both but AAA in gobbing off.
        
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        September 19, 2019 1:28pm
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Peter’s has already over stepped with his supporters, he created the tossers known as the CoL
  
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  September 19, 2019 8:37am
- Tony Stuart
  
  The ultimate irony is that at least five NZF MP’s identify as Maori; Peters, Shane Jones, Fletcher Tabuteau, Ron Mark and Jenny Marcroft.
  
  I suspect that not all in NZF will be as cut and dried as Peters suggests it is.
  
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  September 19, 2019 8:47am
  - kowtow
    
    Tracy Martin too.
    
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    September 19, 2019 10:53am
  - Happychappy
    
    Some needs to piss Peter’s off by asking whether he could take his wig off to show it was a brain operation that has gone wrong.
    
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    September 19, 2019 12:01pm
Scott

Ngati Kahu are besmirching the good name of Captain Cook by calling him a barbarian, to the overseas media no less! https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/17/hes-a-barbarian-maori-tribe-bans-replica-of-captain-cooks-ship-from-port

I looked up the treaty settlement that Ngati Kahu has received and it is to the tune of $20 million plus an apology.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/631885/Ngati-Kahu-signs-20m-Treaty-settlement

Apparently according to Dr Cullen we are now starting work on repairing that relationship. Well obviously that repair only goes one way. Maori people are now talking about colonisation and the harm of colonisation and we should be apologising essentially for coming here.

How can we have a nation when some people are so bitter about the beginning of that nation? And what is the point of millions of dollars of taxpayer dollars going to Maori interests and fulsome apologies if they are going to continue in this bitter and divisive manner?

Can we apply to Ngati Kahu to have our money back? May I remind them that when Captain Cook discovered New Zealand in 1769 these were the conditions in this land. There was incessant tribal warfare. There was slavery and cannibalism and everybody lived in a mud hut. So excuse me if I don’t feel like apologising for Captain Cook discovering this land and bringing the benefits of Western civilisation which everybody now enjoys.

I say to every white New Zealander and every New Zealander of goodwill. This treaty settlement nonsense should stop. It is divisive and is only exacerbating the racial divisions in society. I say to you do not be foolish. Abject apologies and millions of dollars have done nothing to heal racial divisions. The problem only appears to be worse. The answer is to believe in your country and believe in Western civilisation and understand that those benefits are available to all people regardless of race.
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September 19, 2019 8:11am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Apologies, fat fingers, agree entirely
  
  Only had one tick to give and I blew it, will have a coffee and attempt to improve.
  
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  September 19, 2019 8:44am
- srylands
  
  Cook had his flaws but he was no barbarian. Shit if the Spanish had colonised they would have literally killed every last Maori. The French would have been better. They we would have said “Congratulations. You are French.” and killed anyone who argued the point.
  
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  September 19, 2019 8:54am
  - Blackbob
    
    The word “Barbarian” is Greek in origin and simply means “not from around here and doesn’t speak Greek” so funnily enough they got it right in that context 🙂
    The modern slur version not so much and more pot vs kettle vs black – “Hey! you’re what I actually am!”.
    
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    September 19, 2019 9:36am
  - MCos
    
    The Aboriginals in Tasmania and other parts of Australia might argue that the British weren’t all that wonderful.
    The Māoris in NZ were descendants of people who had survived voyages across the Pacific in waka. Only the strong survived.
    Consequently the natives of NZ were a far tougher proposition than those in Oz who were hunted down and killed.
    If the Spanish or French or whoever had fronted up they wouldn’t have been able to ‘kill every last Māori’. Probably the opposite.
    But it didn’t happen that way so who knows.
    
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    September 19, 2019 5:36pm
- Simon
  
  “Ngati Kahu are besmirching the good name of Captain Cook by calling him a barbarian, to the overseas media no less!”
  
  Welcome to the left’s new compulsory New Zealand history curriculum.
  
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  September 19, 2019 9:14am
Yvette

How many column inches of media discussion, endless video, even Parliamentary time and compromised political effort and QC inquiries have so far gone into this mis-directed sexual complaint? It must amount to quite an expenditure now.

And has the complainant undergone any less psychological stress or damage for selecting the path she would stumble along – unfortunately for her, the failed result of the summer camp inquiry had not been revealed before she had tacked her accusation on to those – rather than risk prejudices she may have anticipated from friends warning her off seeking Police help, and indeed (reputedly) Labour agencies advising her “not to go to the Police”?

As an alternative to due Police process, it does seem fucking ridiculous.

The only advantage in this approach to Justice, is that it has revealed some politicians in their real, most objectionable, colours – but we were mostly aware of them already.

To seek Justice for one person, it is interesting to see what else may be compromised, to the verge of the possible (as observed by particularly international media) down-fall of the whole bloody Government.
But, if the present Government is intrinsically that baseless, that may be a good thing.

However still it would seem to not address in any way the personal circumstance of the young woman –

Warning: the nasty reference –

“I tried to knock him off but he put me in a hold across here,” she recounted, gesturing to her collarbone. He pulled her off the chair and onto the floor, keeping his arm and his body weight on top of her as she struggled, he said. “I remember him just saying, ‘shhh,’ and shushing me or telling me to be quiet without explicitly telling me, or he’d press his arm down on my windpipe.”

Desperate to attract the attention of the rest of the household, Sarah banged her feet against the hardwood floors, she said. She recounted him pulling down her jeans, and the coldness of the floorboards against her bare skin. He aggressively groped her breasts, she said, before pulling her underwear down and violently penetrating her with his fingers.

… The assault lasted between 10 and 20 minutes, she said, before he rolled off her. “I was just lying there for ages and then tried to frantically put everything on. I grabbed my phone, I grabbed my USB [from] the computer. I was shaking, I couldn’t speak.” She told him that she had to go home. He asked her if she wanted to stay the night. [1]

Is this “Unfounded fiction” – Winston Peters [2]

And so, this account is out there. It’s ramifications actually do seem capable of threatening the Government.
Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has acknowledged the Labour sexual assault scandal risks hurting New Zealand’s reputation on the world stage as she heads abroad. [3]
It is inciting public unrest – witness the marked split between Winston Peters and Jacinda Ardern.
And if Winston Peters has “… rarely seen such a disgraceful episode of unfounded allegations” [2] is this issue not a crime of political sabotage or something sinister that is not going to have a Police complaint?

So, what are the Police doing about it?
For the nation’s wellbeing, as well as Sarah’s?

[1] https://thespinoff.co.nz/unsponsored/09-09-2019/a-labour-volunteer-alleged-violent-sexual-assault-by-a-senior-staffer-this-is-her-story/
[2] https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/09/winston-peters-labels-labour-sexual-assault-claims-innuendo-nz-first-mps-back-him-up.html
[3] https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/399059/ardern-acknowledges-risk-to-nz-s-reputation-from-sex-assault-scandal
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September 19, 2019 8:15am
- softail 1450
  
  Yvette ,Peters is a vile poisonous political pest that has infected our politics for 40 years,seriously if we want to rid our Country of mental health problems build huge hospitals and commit all the fools that vote for this steaming pile of dog shit of a political party….
  
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  September 19, 2019 8:41am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Make it free-range and call it Northland. Jones has spent enough cash up there with no discernible outcome, to build more than one hospital . . .
    
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    September 19, 2019 10:54am
- sooty
  
  Does the deiat normaly bring young girls home and molest them?
  Are the wife and kids that scared of him that they let him do this?
  What kind of a household is this?
  Maybe social services need to visit his house and check!
  
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  September 19, 2019 8:42am
- Albert_Ross
  
  It’s a really important point. Literally nothing is now better in any way than it would have been if the victim had gone to the police in the first place.
  
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  September 19, 2019 9:41am
  - Faroffsound
    
    Everything is worse than it would have been if the victim had gone to the police because if any charges are laid now the defendant’s lawyers will no doubt argue that he won’t get a fair trial because there has been so much public speculation.
    
    And to add to the sorry saga Winston Peters has politicised it so that he can have a go at Paula Bennett.
    
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    September 19, 2019 2:24pm
- Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes
  
  Interestign how quikjcly Alison Mau jumps in praising Rachel MacGregor vs Colin Craig this morning – where was the moral outrage when he chum has tried to brush under the carpet the sexual harrasment and sexual predator in her own office. You cant seperate Labour from Adern. One and the same.
  
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  September 19, 2019 10:14am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    The Colin Craig- Rachel McGregor sexual harassment case fits in with the #metoo feminist view that Rape/sexual abuse/sexual harassment is part of the Capitalist Power structure whereby rich and well-connected people abuse working people/ poor folks.
    
    What she and her lefty mates can’t get their collective heads around is that her political mates on the Left indulge in identical sexually abusive behaviours.
    
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    September 19, 2019 11:14am
- Michael
  
  Surely Yvette
  You don’t expect the NZPolice to do the right thing?
  Mike Bush upset his friends the Clarkes?
  
  You Jest!
  
  No, this has finally done it for me, the NZPolice are not to be trusted. Full Stop.
  
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  September 19, 2019 11:39am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    Seriously? You’re basing your opinion of a particular entity on your assumption as to what that entity would have done in a hypothetical circumstance?
    
    You don’t find that logic a bit circular?
    
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    September 19, 2019 12:31pm
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Robertson has told Ryan Bridge on Magic radio at 3.15ish that the first he heard that the assaults were of a sexual nature was when PriNZess learned of it Monday gone.
  
  More lies? Told everyone that he has being saying this for the last ten days. Did I miss that?
  
  Good on RB for asking the question
  
  Magic after Hosking for the day is good unless Plunkett gets woke about something
  
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  September 19, 2019 3:27pm
oldpark

Heard a guy from NZ FIRST Political Party named Peters a list MP who was being interviewed on the radio regarding some sort of hospital stay and what was he there for. Seems he was not forth coming for Mike Hosking questions regarding the stay.
A friend of mine same age group as NZF list MP Peters was in a hospital with perhaps a couple of aged related complaints. One complaint was a suspected diseased leg, and maybe a please explain by medical profession regarding his Prostate Gland.
He got good news the diseased leg complaint was resolved. Also he got a bonus diagnosis for his Prostate Gland. The meds did a Prostate Biopsy on the erractic behaviour of his Prostate and the result turned out to be so far so good.
The moral of the story my neighbour friend was so happy he virtually shouted the positive results from the rooftops. Nothing to hide for him on his health. Go Figure.
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September 19, 2019 8:15am
- Albert_Ross
  
  No, no, no. The fact that some people have no problems revealing personal details about their health does not create any obligation on anyone else to do so, and neither does it allow any legitimate conclusions to be drawn about people who prefer privacy about personal matters.
  
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  September 19, 2019 8:37am
  - sooty
    
    See, he has got problems with his shitter!
    
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    September 19, 2019 8:44am
    - RightFirstTime
      
      So Peters has got problems with his mouth then?
      
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      September 19, 2019 11:02am
      - Tricati
        
        Yes, he has both feet in it.
        
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        September 19, 2019 11:30am
  - SGA
    
    Agreed, Albert. I have no problem with MPs having a little privacy where their medical records are concerned.
    
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    September 19, 2019 8:49am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      I agree. The difficulty here though is that Ardern said Peters was having an “old rugby injury” sorted out, and Peters says he wasn’t.
      
      They can’t both be right.
      
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      September 19, 2019 8:51am
      - Albert_Ross
        
        Indeed. They should both have said “none of your business” and stuck to that.
        
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        September 19, 2019 9:45am
      - Sacha
        
        Ardern should have declined to comment & referred the questioner to Peters.
        The details of his health problems are none of her business. Or ours.
        
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        September 19, 2019 10:41am
      - calendar girl
        
        So which one can we conclude was lying?
        
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        September 19, 2019 2:54pm
- hookerphil
  
  Your friend is obviously not a prick.
  
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  September 19, 2019 8:39am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Allegedly shared his own pension misappropriation details, why stop there?
  
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  September 19, 2019 8:48am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    And the fact that certain of an individual’s personal details have been publicised, even if by the individual themselves (which remains unproven in this case) or with their approval, does not oblige them to reveal everything or anything else.
    
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    September 19, 2019 9:44am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Demonstrating a behavioral pattern Albert. Some disclosures have advantages and are played as such, others not quite so advantageous.
      
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      September 19, 2019 10:58am
      - Albert_Ross
        
        Yes, so? Don’t we all base decisions on consideration of whether it’s to our advantage?
        
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        September 19, 2019 12:27pm
KevO'Brien

Ardern not being able to unequivocally rule out the purchase of Ihumātao by the State shows the rule of law in NZ is suspended during her reign.

No NZ land title can now be guaranteed.
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September 19, 2019 8:19am
- Scott
  
  Quite right Kev.
  This from the Don brash organisation Hobson’s choice –
  “In 2015, the Ihumatao iwi Te Kawerau a Maki agreed to a full and final settlement of all their grievances and received financial redress of $6.5 million, plus forestry, forestry rentals and more. Fletchers bought private land in the area and announced plans to build 480 homes, 40 of which were to be given to Te Kawerau a Maki. But a member of that iwi (against the will of the elders) started a land occupation demanding that the Government buy the land to keep it as is.
  
  If the Government caves in to protesters and buys the land, this will open the floodgates to similar protests, trash Treaty settlements, and erode private property rights.”
  
  So essentially this issue was settled and money has been paid over to the tune of millions of dollars to settle the claim. If a group of protesters can now go against their elders and relitigate the claim then the Treaty of Waitangi process is shown to be worthless.
  
  Perhaps in this case we should also ask for our millions of dollars back?
  
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  September 19, 2019 8:33am
  - sooty
    
    The young’uns are not happy with the old’uns, because the old’uns are going to get the houses!
    
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    September 19, 2019 8:46am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    The real concern must be that Ardern does not know her place: she does not have regal authority. She cannot change the law on her say so. She does not have the rights of a dictator even dressed up as a “Captains Call”.
    
    How have got into this mess? The Police seem scared too. If not, why do they not carry out their responsibilities to to prevent disorder and crime by doing as they once did, checking out serious pointers to wrongs? Are drug dealers no longer watched for either? Acting only on complaints from offended parties is to abrogate responsibility to be pro-active to keep the peace of the realm.
    
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    September 19, 2019 9:05am
  - Right of way is Way of Right
    
    What the old ‘uns realise, and what the young ‘uns don’t understand, is that land holdings are all well and good, but undeveloped land adds no value, and creates no growth.
    
    Also, where clear title established under law can now be voided by any semi autonomous sub group from any connected iwi, what company is going to want to engage in any development anywhere if this precedent is established?
    
    This will have the effect of slowing down our economy even further, which will first hurt the most vulnerable of all New Zealanders, a large proportion of which are Maori!
    
    Short term gain for long term pain!
    
    A creditable leader would have stood against this sham of an occupation. However, instead of any credible leadership, our Prime Minister abdicated all responsibility, instead managing to turn the process over to perhaps the only person in NZ less qualified to manage the situation than her, “King” Tuhetia. Then she escapes so quickly that she can’t even remember where she went!
    
    Omnishambles doesn’t even begin to describe this level of incompetence.
    
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    September 19, 2019 10:14am
- Michael
  
  No the rule of law was suspended when she called a stop to legal legal actions, just before she went away last time.
  
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  September 19, 2019 11:41am
chaos

‘Let’s keep this internal’ – Labour told sexual assault complainants not to go to police, Paula Bennett claims

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/lets-keep-internal-labour-told-sexual-assault-complainants-not-go-police-paula-bennett-claims
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September 19, 2019 8:24am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Isn’t that exactly the way Labour responded to the allegations against the summer camp groper? “Hush, don’t tell anyone, and we’ll see you right”.
  
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  September 19, 2019 8:49am
- Yvette
  
  “And actually they’d been told by the Labour Party not to go to the police so that’s why they hadn’t earlier. And it’s their choice, it’s not mine.”
  Ms Bennett said the complainants were told early on, “‘Let’s keep this internal and we’ll work through a process,’ and of course that didn’t happen for them”.
  
  What actually constitutes “obstruction of the law”?
  
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  September 19, 2019 8:55am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    What actually constitutes “obstruction of the law”?
    I’m not an authority on this but the ancient law suggests follow your nose. If it impedes the course or flow of the investigation it’s obstruction.
    
    It’s a very broad definition and following the trials particularly the Nixon one, any whiff of something preventing an investigator getting other than the clearest view was an obstruction. Putting up a sheet of coloured cellophane on a window is an obstruction in its context. Deleting a record or phone conversation if it could be sought by an investigator is an obstruction. Calling in alternative investigators is an obstruction. Not making information available in a timely way is an obstruction. Manipulating timing of communications or meetings is an obstruction…
    
    It is Justice which is the subject of the obstruction and Justice will not be denied. Ardern and her crew do not seem to understand that they are not above the law but subject to it. Their High Office is to uphold it, not subvert it. There are procedures of State to effect changes but they have to be gone through first while still protecting the existing law. Ardern has the right to consider change but not to apply it until proper lawful process has ensued. She is subject to Parliament. Our Queen of NZ still resides in the UK.
    
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    September 19, 2019 9:25am
- niggly
  
  Yes and there is another independent source that has previously said the same, Barry Soper, as per a NZH article on 6 August. Soper wrote:
  
  Newstalk ZB political editor Barry Soper says the allegations involved not only sexual assault but rape, offers to pay for sex – and that there were 12 alleged complainants.
  
  “What they’re saying is, the party is telling them not to comment. They say people incredibly high up are on the side of the accused in the Beehive,” Soper said.
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  Ardern would not comment on whether the alleged offender worked in her office, and said the matter was currently one for the party, and not an employment matter.
  
  It was about the conduct about a member of the party, and not about the employer or workplace. The Prime Minister would not comment on whether the alleged culprit still worked for the party.
  
  As far as she was aware police had not been involved.
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  However, Newstalk ZB’s Barry Soper said the allegations involved not only sexual assault but rape, offers to pay for sex and that there were 12 alleged complainants.
  
  “What they’re saying is, the party is telling them not to comment. They say people incredibly high up are on the side of the accused in the Beehive.”
  
  Soper said those allegedly affected were “frightened” of talking to the media as they claimed they would have their support withdrawn if they spoke out.
  
  “They talked about not just sexual assault but rape, they said that this person worked in the Beehive for two years, he was offering promotions for sex. They said there was a huge power imbalance, they said the person was well known to Jacinda Ardern and Grant Robertson.
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  The whistleblower said they wanted to speak out as the Labour Party had already investigated and with the alleged offender having support of people “high up in the party”, “they’d felt that this matter was not going to go any further”.
  
  Asked by Hosking why the complainants haven’t gone to police, given the seriousness of the allegations, Soper said they probably could “but I think they felt that they were loyal party members and that the party could sort this”.
  
  “But these allegations are very serious indeed. When I originally got the first email about a month ago it couldn’t be ignored but any attempt to follow it up with the party was fruitless.”
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12255887
  
  So Labour have form – they have heavied the complainants by wanting to deal with these issues “in-house”.
  
  And frankly after re-reading this August article how can Jacinda Ardern continue to claim she didn’t know about sexual assault until Monday last week after reading The SpinOff, when some respected journos in the MSM were raising these allegations with her several weeks ago now?
  
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  September 19, 2019 9:11am
  - Rich Prick
    
    Labour’s rapists and sexual offenders are truely blessed. I’m sure more will feel encouraged to go on the prowl now.
    
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    September 19, 2019 1:12pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    “offering promotions” …. that narrows the field down a bit. Quite a bit.
    
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    September 19, 2019 2:36pm
- Swifty
  
  Shane Jones comes across as a right oaf in that piece.
  
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  September 19, 2019 9:18am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    He comes across as a right oaf every time he opens his gob.
    
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    September 19, 2019 9:41am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Doesn’t even have to open his gob, yawning behind his dear leader in parliament says it all about the douche-bag
      
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      September 19, 2019 11:07am
- Bobba Fret
  
  Good to know Shane Jones is more worried about the rugby than the complainants. Why am I not surprised.
  
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  September 19, 2019 9:40am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Towards the end of the interview Jones refers to Paula Bennett as “the High Priest of hypocrisy”. I guess that falls broadly into the “It takes one to know one” category.
    
    Still, at least Labour and NZF MP’s are commenting, and showing their true colours by dismissing the complainants. Jan Logie, Green MP and Parliamentary Under-Secretary on Domestic and Sexual Violence has been missing in action, as has Minister for Women, Julie Anne Genter. Their silence is deafening.
    
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    September 19, 2019 9:51am
    - Bobba Fret
      
      Yes its funny how the Greens clearly see it as Labour’s problem and don’t want to get involved at all.
      
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      September 19, 2019 11:35am
- tf78
  
  chaos – that’s what all sexual abusers say. It’s always “it’s OUR secret, don’t tell anyone”.
  
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  September 19, 2019 9:47am
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  People like Shane Jones are the reason why the complainants felt they couldn’t go to the police!
  
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  September 19, 2019 10:30am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Spot on. Then again, what would you expect from a man who thought watching pornographic movies and charging it to the taxpayer was acceptable behaviour?
    
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    September 19, 2019 10:57am
    - Swifty
      
      And then trying to lie his way out of it.
      
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      September 19, 2019 12:15pm
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  Sexual assault and Rape culture thrive in secrecy. Why hide something unless there is something to hide.
  
  Just ask the Catholic Church.
  
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  September 19, 2019 12:49pm
softail 1450

How do make sexual assault allegations disappear over night? easy, you just roll out that old race baiter Peters and get him to attack his own race by steadfastly stating there will be no going back on te tiriti agreements while he’s boss.
This is sickening to behold, and the bloated porn star Jones is getting involved as well,and of course Robinson is deep into the charade because it deflects from the fact that he is balls deep in the cover up currently taking place.
There is no doubt that the media and the opposition are going quiet for the sake of our Country while the creature is tripping the light fantastic in Japan (China) and the USA but lets hope she gets slammed when she finally drags her emaciated arse back here to face the music….
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September 19, 2019 8:26am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The sexual assault investigations will not see the light of day… They are over, rover. End of story.
  
  Ihumatoa will get a pay-out, Jacinda will visit, TV cameras will record the historic event.
  
  All’s well in our pavlova paradise.
  
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  September 19, 2019 9:08am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Why do we accept that apparent flagrant breaking of the law by the COL?
    Constitutionally we seem to be stuck with MMP letting the inexperienced do unmentionable things.
    Order seems to have pulled her head in and gone to sleep. Why hasn’t the Governor General had a word to Ardern? It’s plain Ardern is not fit for Office. Can the Queen review Ardern’s position, withdraw her status as a member of the Executive Council?
    A fresh election is desirable.
    
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    September 19, 2019 9:38am
  - alwyn
    
    ” Jacinda will visit”
    Do you think that she will get up in front of the camera and announce “I am so happy to be here in the wonderful City of Akaroa”?
    
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    September 19, 2019 10:06am
Maggie Pie

“The thing is, we first need to establish a process in order to put a process in place,
only then is that process able to be processed…”

https://twitter.com/grauniadmeme/status/1174119510414188545
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September 19, 2019 8:27am
- sooty
  
  My word, Maggy. You have got that to a Tee!
  Labour lets do this!
  Will just take awhile!
  LOOK, a squrriel over there!
  
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  September 19, 2019 8:49am
Tony Stuart

Until yesterday, few people will have been aware of a Labour List MP by the name of Anahila Kanongata’a-Suisuiki. But she put that to rest in Parliament’s General Debate yesterday with this offering:

But let me come back to this House. I have sat here through the speeches, and all I’ve heard from speaker No. 1 was conspiracy theory No. 1. Paula Bennett—conspiracy theory. Instead of going to those authorities, she conspired to go to the media.

https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/document/HansS_20190918_057300000/kanongataa-suisuiki-anahila

Leaving aside the errors she has made in this speech (most notably that Paula Bennett briefed Speaker Trevor Mallard before she spoke to the media), I find it beyond belief that a Labour MP would claim that the scandal which has already seen two resignations is a “conspiracy theory”. But what’s even worse is that Mrs Kanongata’a-Suisuiki is, according to her biography on the Labour Party website, a trained social worker, and a former manager at Oranga Tamariki. Her bio also says “Anahila understands the importance of having values focused on the wellbeing of the whanau-family. Anahila champions the Labour Party values of opportunity, solidarity and freedom and this strongly resonates with her and her family values.”

Those “values focused on wellbeing” went out the window yesterday. It would appear the only family she cares about is her Labour Party family. Solidarity, Comrades!

But it begs the question; who has ordered Labour MP’s and others in the coalition to bad-mouth the victims of the alleged Labour Party sex predator?
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September 19, 2019 8:28am
- Rich Prick
  
  A rather pathetic rear-guard action, I’d say.
  
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  September 19, 2019 8:36am
  - sooty
    
    Who’s she?
    Never heard of her before!
    
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    September 19, 2019 8:51am
    - Right of way is Way of Right
      
      Hopefully we will never hear from her again. What a hateful piece of work.
      
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      September 19, 2019 10:19am
- KevO'Brien
  
  The COL seems to have meetings or communications from time to time where they are all given the “message of the day”. You can tell by the tedious repetition of it in the House. It does however give the COL some talking points as many of them are hopelessly bereft of speaking ability otherwise.
  
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  September 19, 2019 9:47am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    ‘hopelessly bereft of speaking ability’
    
    A working example of the ‘trickle down from the top’ theory
    
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    September 19, 2019 11:24am
- kowtow
  
  ‘who has ordered Labour MP’s and others in the coalition to bad-mouth the victims of the alleged Labour Party sex predator?’
  
  You can be sure it won’t be anyone from the “#wetoo” movement //
  
  And I ask again , where are the sisters from the Parliamentary Commonwealth Wimmins Harem ?
  
  “The results were pretty shocking actually,” she said.
  
  “Nearly 82 percent said that they experienced some form of psychological abuse and that means they were bullied, they were harassed, they were intimidated and made to feel – I hate to say it, but that they were subordinate … they were MPs and this was perpetuated by their colleagues, their male colleagues.”
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/the-house/audio/2018661585/crossing-enemy-lines-for-women-s-representation
  
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  September 19, 2019 10:51am
- Prince
  
  She knows who signs her paychecks. And she know how temporary they are.
  
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  September 19, 2019 11:16am
adaman

“I was going to sell my guns as part of the govt buyback scheme, but after a thorough background check I decided I didn’t want to sell to organised crime” 🙂
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September 19, 2019 8:34am
- rightoverlabour
  
  I have a friend who returned two “naughty” rifles. He reckons the only reason he did so is that he got significantly more than what they were worth. He also knows of people that have returned two rifles and gone and bought 4 new ones…. LOL
  
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  September 19, 2019 8:48am
  - Swifty
    
    Yep.
    
    Tens and tens of millions of taxpayer dollars have been and will continue to be put in the hands of people who now have empty slots in their cabinets.
    
    What are they now gonna do?
    
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    September 19, 2019 9:00am
  - MCos
    
    Well good for them.
    If some bastard admits ripping off WINZ they get hauled over the coals.
    
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    September 19, 2019 9:01am
    - ldypen
      
      Yes, what did happen to the Materiel one… locked up is she or still in her castle?
      
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      September 19, 2019 10:09am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        She turned up today …
        
        Former Greens leader Metiria Turei makes submission on cannabis referendum bill
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12269166
        
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        September 19, 2019 6:12pm
    - sooty
      
      Meetoo appears to have got away with it!
      She did get turfed out of the trough.
      Maybe that was the toughest sentance, possible.
      
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      September 19, 2019 10:24am
- Tony Stuart
  
  A billboard from the 1980’s:
  
  “Don’t steal. The Government hates competition.”
  
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  September 19, 2019 10:39am
tedbear

I hope Fletchers set an asking price for the land at Ihumatoa they own at around twenty times what they paid for it.
I wonder which MP will be willing to do the negotiating with Fletchers.
Could end up like buying back Kiwirail ?
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September 19, 2019 8:54am
- Chuck Bird
  
  As a shareholder, I agree with you.
  
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  September 19, 2019 9:24am
- DigNap15
  
  Yes, and fair enough its costing Fletchers money every day they do not start on those houses.
  But then Maori and Labour do no understand how business works.
  
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  September 19, 2019 9:53am
sooty

If the government is now talking about trains carting fuel to the airport, why not passengers aswell? Wont need the lightrail now that the twit Twyford is raiding the NZTA piggy bank!
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September 19, 2019 8:55am
- tf78
  
  No sooty – the light rail money is being spent elsewhere for now.
  
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  September 19, 2019 9:50am
Biscuit

One for us oldies…

Sixty years ago today, the British Lions beat the All Blacks 9-6 in the Fourth Test of their 1959 series.

Three unconverted three-point tries to two Don Clarke penalties.

And there were huge chants of ‘Red! Red! Red!’ echoing around Eden Park as they – deservedly – won their only match in that series.

More chance these days of positive comments about Jacinda A in Kiwiblog than us cheering the Brits, right?
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September 19, 2019 8:55am
- MCos
  
  That team was quite popular. Probably because they lost and Tony O’Reilly used to run up and down the sideline in quite small shorts.
  
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  September 19, 2019 9:06am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Of course they also lost the first test in Dunedin where they scored four three-point tries, but the great D. B. Clarke kicked six penalty goals.
  
  The referee was Dunedin local Allan Fleury, and lest there be any suggestions of bias, he penalised both teams 2o times during the match, but Clarke kicked his goals and the Lions did not. It was Allan Fleury’s only international match.
  
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  September 19, 2019 10:54am
- Prince
  
  Ardern got more boos at Eden Park last month than the Lions would ever get.
  
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  September 19, 2019 11:20am
Yvette

Dew review due October 7 [1] –

“I do want to offer an apology on behalf of the Labour Party to those complainants in this case who have gone through a process that I believe has caused them harm,” Jacinda Ardern said.

A complainant told Newshub: “It takes immense strength and bravery for victims of sexual assault to come forward in the first place, but to blatantly hear him [Labour ex-President Haworth] lying on the news about knowing what we told him is absolutely despicable.”

Complainants also say Robertson, the Finance Minister, was told in person about the sexual assault allegations on 30 June at an event where the Prime Minister was also in attendance. [2]

Since all these remarks now constitute a massive “conflict of interest” in the inquiries Jacinda Ardern has instigated, how can any outcome of those inquiries now compensate the complainants, not prejudice the alleged offender, or provide a path that sees any justice in this “case”?

Just wondering …

[1] Ardern has said that the Dew review, expected to report directly to Ardern in three weeks, would get to the bottom of it. September 16 https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12268112
[2] https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/09/complainants-reveal-details-of-how-much-grant-robertson-nigel-haworth-knew-about-sexual-assault-allegations.html
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September 19, 2019 8:57am
- kevn
  
  @Yvette, Thank you again… On a par with Cactus Kate.
  A big one sided whitewash coming up. This QC, Dew, must rue the day she said ‘yes’. It will follow her career.
  
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  September 19, 2019 9:34am
srylands

“The country’s flagship airline, Air New Zealand, has become a “net zero carbon airline,” using locally grown biofuel for long haul ”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/115758711/new-zealand-in-2050-the-scenario-if-emissions-are-curbed

Good to see that journalists now write science fiction. Biofuel long haul planes at scale will not happen. It is not about technology. It is about physics. You cant produce enough ethanol from crops to provide 200,000 litres of the stuff to fly long haul. And that is just ONE flight.
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September 19, 2019 9:00am
- herb1
  
  Would this biofuel be made of the same food that climate hysterics tell us we must eat to save the planet?
  If so how many people will need to go without food to fuel each flight?
  
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  September 19, 2019 9:16am
  - srylands
    
    There is work underway on aviation biofuels. The most promising is using algae. Lots of it. You can mix small amounts of it with Jet A1. But we are talking about, best case, a blend of 90 percent Jet A1 and 10 percent biofuel.
    
    Jet A1 is a miracle fuel. It allows a plane weighing 350,000 kg to travel 14,000 km at 900 km/h. Replicating that energy from biofuels that can be carried on the plane is impossible. It is not about waiting for new technology. It is impossible with known laws of physics, chemistry, and biology.
    
    There is also the safety issue. The engines on a 777 are giant flying spinning furnaces. They are not designed to burn ethanol. And if they stop, you don’t just pull over to the side of the road.
    
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    September 19, 2019 10:34am
    - slightlyrighty
      
      1 hectare of algae would produce 136000 liters of biofuel per year.
      
      Even a small percentage of biofuel use would result in the use of huge amounts of fertile land usually used for food.
      
      Can you see how that would go?
      
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      September 19, 2019 11:25am
- cmm
  
  This is an aspirational goal.
  
  It is not supposed to stand up to scrutiny.
  
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  September 19, 2019 9:26am
  - WaveyDavey
    
    You’re forgetting: “Setting targets leads to perverse outcomes”©
    
    ©NZ Labour 2019
    
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    September 19, 2019 10:08am
- krazykiwi
  
  Air New Zealand is a virtue signalling organisation which sidelines in offering travel services.
  
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  September 19, 2019 2:41pm
mtamati

Tony..That kind of logic would negate the left’s ‘rape culture’ nonsense, as the Police would be run off their feet investigating so much rape.
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September 19, 2019 9:08am
Yvette

‘Cheap and nasty’: Winston Peters gives more details about hospital flowers from Paula Bennett
“What she had done was get a handful of daffodils, put a ribbon around them, send them to the wrong place – namely my home when I was in hospital.

Although in keeping with current Labour linguistic-accuracy, Winston had tweeted “Paula Bennett sent me flowers in hospital”

Hell, Winston, it is a bit bloody hard to let some things go.

A while back readers here were challenged to enlighten other readers if they had ever heard any “private personal details”, regarding you superannuation, over and beyond the details that you yourself voluntarily gave media to benefit (sic) your position compared to the amoral mess Metiria had got herself into.
So, NOTHING.
No one seems to know anything more than you told them yourself.
So fucking let it go.
You told us everything yourself long before anyone got around to asking what Paula knew.

And now … Winston Peters has wasted no time wading into the Labour Party investigation, calling the allegations “unfounded fiction”, an “orgy of speculation”, and “innuendo”.
He said it was “led by a woman called Paula Bennett making all sorts of vile allegations by way of innuendo without a fact to back it up”. [1]

It’s been 753 days, or 2 years and nearly 1 month, now Winston.
Let it go before it kills you.
You should know that serial negativity in your thoughts are a toxin to the rest of your body.
So do yourself a favour – let all that mental shit go, before it puts you back where you just were – hospital, or somewhere more grave.

And, hey, Winston – don’t be too surprised if no one sends you any bloody flowers to either location.

[1] https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/09/winston-peters-labels-labour-sexual-assault-claims-innuendo-nz-first-mps-back-him-up.html
Yeah, Yvette is a bit crabby this morning
Well, just how long can you wait for affordable medicinal cannabis?
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September 19, 2019 9:11am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Winston is presenting with problems of many of the elderly. Going on and on, about the one little point out of context is common and shows deterioration of brain functioning. Not realising that is happening is part of the diagnosis.
  
  I’m a few years on myself and with my wife in ministry encounter many other retired people so have adequate comparisons.
  Winston should be retired too.
  
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  September 19, 2019 9:57am
  - srylands
    
    My elderly mother phones lives in Australia.
    
    Phone conversation this winter was:
    
    “Is it cold in New Zealand?”
    “YES”
    “Do you have enough warm clothes?”
    “YES”
    
    Next night’s phone call. Repeat 🙂
    
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    September 19, 2019 10:41am
- alloytoo
  
  If Peters said anything outside the house, Paula should wait patiently for this matter to resolve itself and issue proceedings for slander/libel right after National tells him to go Frig himself.
  
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  September 19, 2019 10:00am
- Classic Liberal
  
  “a handful of daffodils, put a ribbon around them,”
  
  What could be nicer or more positive and refreshing in early spring, when recovering from illness, anyway? And for an opposition politician to actually pick and tie it themselves?
  
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  September 19, 2019 2:16pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    And at anywhere from $60-$100 delivered, not cheap.
    
    Peters has really been petty and nasty about these flowers….. can’t imagine that he sends get well messages/gifts/thoughts to anyone.
    
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    September 19, 2019 2:24pm
Fletch

Lewandowski gives Dems the runaround in Nadler’s non-Constitutional “committee” hearing whilst giving them some home truths.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwKBypbqz4c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyjAa_fYV5c
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September 19, 2019 9:16am
- Tall Man
  
  How come labour can’t recruit guys like that. Instead they get the same dickheads that the democrats seem to prefer.
  
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  September 19, 2019 12:57pm
- virtualmark
  
  I suspect the Dems got exactly what they wanted from Lewandowski.
  
  Check out Article 3 of the Nixon Articles of Impeachment … https://watergate.info/impeachment/articles-of-impeachment
  
  Lewandowski has testified like this before. The Dems knew he’d be a “hostile witness” so to speak. His performance reinforces an “Obstruction of Congress” charge.
  
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  September 19, 2019 7:01pm
WaveyDavey

Open Question

Given the way Labour supporters think and the reasons they vote the way they do:

What makes you think that they won’t win a second term?
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September 19, 2019 9:25am
- WaveyDavey
  
  Okay I’ll start with why they will:
  
  Their voters don’t care about:
  
  Kiwibuild failures, a tanking economy, sex scandals, drug-dealer scandals, their racism, their failure to keep their immigration promises, calling Japan China, Winston, the Greens being fruit-loops, rates increases, tax increases (our no tax cuts), removal of targets, being wrong when they know they’re wrong, freedom of speech (for others that is), cycle lanes, no road building, expensive public transport white elephants…
  
  Effectively all the things that exercise us they don’t care about. They even see petrol price hikes as being a necessary evil for the greater good.
  
  I speak to these people quite often* and all that matters is that Jacinda can do no wrong (and anyway it was someone else’s fault) and Simon can do no right (because 9 years of evil).
  
  They have the next election in the bag and quite possible with no need for Winston First and maybe the Greens.
  
  *A regular quote is “we don’t attack our own.”
  
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  September 19, 2019 10:01am
  - Right of way is Way of Right
    
    Unless the attack is sexual, right?
    
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    September 19, 2019 10:35am
  - Tall Man
    
    I see your point but I truly think there will be a backlash this time as ardern is marginalising “normal” labour voters and they will probably express their dissatisfaction by staying home.
    
    An indicator will be how the “labour” mayors around the country fare.
    
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    September 19, 2019 12:36pm
Monty

today the GDP figures are coming out – (does anyone know what time?

just to recap from the March Quarter
In the March 2019 quarter:

*New Zealand economy grew 0.6%
*goods-producing industries grew 2.0% driving economic growth
*growth in service industries eased, up 0.2%
*primary industries continued to fall, down 0.7%
*household spending was up 0.5%
*investment spending was up 2.4%
*exports of goods and services was up 2.8%
*GDP per capita rose 0.1%
*real purchasing power of New Zealand’s income was up 0.6%.
*New Zealand economy grows 0.6 percent
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September 19, 2019 9:33am
- Jack5
  
  Watch for GDP per capita. That’s what counts if you want a comparison of how the country is going compared with other nations.
  
  Rising population pushes up GDP. Big population is why India is third in the world in GDP, but 156th in GDP per capita.
  
  (Last time I looked, NZ was 68th in GDP, and 48th in GDP per capita – Australia was 19th in GDP and 29th in GDP per capita.)
  
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  September 19, 2019 9:55am
  - Jack5
    
    The figures are out:
    
    GDP change for June quarter: +0.5 per cent
    GDP change for year ended June: +2.4 per cent
    
    GDP per capita change for quarter: +0.2 per cent
    
    GDP per capita for year ended June: +0.8 per cent
    
    So GDP per capita is flat.
    
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    September 19, 2019 11:45am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Good point and demonstrates why we shouldn’t keep cramming more people into NZ for the sake of fake ‘growth’ but focus on high education and quality business for real growth per capita.
    
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    September 19, 2019 2:23pm
- DigNap15
  
  I’ve no idea.
  But I’m waiting with glee
  Sadly I hope that are down once again.
  It will be all the COL’s anti-business ant-farming policies.
  
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  September 19, 2019 9:56am
  - Ed Snack
    
    I once tried an ant farm, but it was too boring to keep at. Not sure why Labour would have an ant-farming policy myself…
    
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    September 19, 2019 3:25pm
- alwyn
  
  The time is normally 3 pm.
  Sorry but you will have to hold your breath until afternoon tea time.
  
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  September 19, 2019 10:18am
  - alwyn
    
    They appear to have come out earlier than that.
    0.5% increase for the quarter making a total of 2.1% for the year.
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12268965
    I can only plead that the Stats site had said the next announcement would be at 3 pm.
    
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    September 19, 2019 11:40am
  - MH
    
    oh the announcement of the AB’s ?
    
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    September 19, 2019 2:16pm
lastmanstanding

Somehow I dont think all the world leaders at the UN will be entralled with Cindy. I suspect many like KB posters will see her for the airhead lightweight that she is.

Lets face it. She doesnt have a Mensa intellect to cut it in deep conversation with the likes of Boris.

Much of what he says would go right over her head.

She will be spouting the usual political cliches that the Leaders have all heard and used. The difference will be when the conversation gets off the talking points she has been given and strays into deep detail.

Most of them will be thinking HTF did the good citizens of NZ elect such a dimbulb.
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September 19, 2019 9:47am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  “Most of them will be thinking HTF did the good citizens of NZ elect such a dimbulb.”
  
  They didn’t. Winston appointed her.
  
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  September 19, 2019 10:25am
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    September 19, 2019 11:49am
- kowtow
  
  ‘Somehow I dont think all the world leaders at the UN will be entralled with Cindy’
  
  Sorry but those are the people who fawn over the 16 year old Swede ……..
  
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  September 19, 2019 10:43am
Swifty

Gandalf should be played by a woman this time, says Robyn Malcolm:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=12268939
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September 19, 2019 9:48am
- WaveyDavey
  
  Let me guess. A woman called Robyn perhaps?
  
  Has-been actress in struggling to seem relevant shocker!
  
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  September 19, 2019 9:54am
  - Fletch
    
    And Gandalf would also have to live out West and like black t-shirts and velvet skirts….
    
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    September 19, 2019 10:09am
    - sooty
      
      Be a hasbeen, neverwas. That Robyn!
      
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      September 19, 2019 10:27am
    - WaveyDavey
      
      Shags dubious commie Scottish actors…
      
      allegedly
      
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      September 19, 2019 10:31am
  - Right of way is Way of Right
    
    She’d do better playing Gollum. Save a bit on make up there.
    
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    September 19, 2019 12:52pm
    - DILLIGAF
      
      She did play a Rohan peasant in The Two Towers… Had like 3 lines of dialog and a minute and a half of screen time – in the extended home release cut.
      
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      September 19, 2019 2:37pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  Wasn’t having Gandalf played by a gay man who is highly respected in his profession (and played the role with aplomb) good enough for them?
  
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  September 19, 2019 9:55am
  - WaveyDavey
    
    You’re sooo out of data grandpa
    
    Gay men don’t even rate in the Oppression Olympics these days
    
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    September 19, 2019 10:03am
- kris
  
  The production would be well advised to disregard whatever the harpy Malcolm says…
  
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  September 19, 2019 10:22am
  - WaveyDavey
    
    Lucy Lawless clearly unavailable for comment
    
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    September 19, 2019 11:17am
rightoverlabour

I suspect a lot of fence-sitters thought that Jacinda was a breath of fresh air and some really believed Labour would sort the housing “Crisis”. Her handling of the Sexual assault would seriously impact many woman from across the spectrum in how they feel about this, and at this stage I think the damage has already been done. The kiwi build fiasco speaks volumes for itself as does every other balls up the govt has made. So I think many soft Labour voters will vote elsewhere.
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September 19, 2019 9:48am
- WaveyDavey
  
  $10 to the charity of your choice says they won’t.
  
  Some (not many) may drift to the Greens but they ain’t going anywhere else.
  
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  September 19, 2019 11:19am
  - Tall Man
    
    Possibly not but they won’t vote at all which is ok by me.
    
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    September 19, 2019 12:30pm
    - WaveyDavey
      
      $10 offer still stands
      
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      September 19, 2019 2:32pm
Jack5

New Zealand leads the world in use of foreign temporary labour as a proportion of the population, latest Government migration changes will keep New Zealand on the international economic slide.

While intelligent countries target the highly skilled and the highly educated for immigration, NZ is going for unskilled and semi-skilled: apple pickers, dairy farmhands, retirement home workers (not nurses). No wonder NZ is performing so poorly in GDP per capita, the measure which ranks international performance.

Cheap labour encourages funneling of capital and other resources to support high-labour, low-waged industries, and that’s Third World.

A new OECD report shows that New Zealand tops use of imported temporary labour as a percentage of national population (first link below; we find it in an Australian report about NZ being second to NZ).

Starting yesterday, there has been a concerted, Goebbels-scale PR blast in support of the Labour Coalition Government’s latest boost for temporary labour. The campaign comes from Federated Farmers, Horticulture NZ, Business NZ and New Zealand Aged Care Association. The industry groups fenefit from cheap foreign labour – unskilled and semiskilled. It’s unlikely this is to NZ’s long-term economic benefit, though.

For a reasoned, balanced analysis of present immigration policy, have a read today of Michael Reddell’s Croaking Cassandra blog.

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/australia-home-to-one-of-world-s-biggest-temporary-migrant-workforces-20190918-p52slj.html
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September 19, 2019 9:50am
- MCos
  
  I heard on the radio this morning that strawberries are likely to remain unpicked due to the lack of low cost labour that can only be sourced off shore.
  So.
  You’re saying the strawberry growers have to find a work around? Pay more to attract local pickers, switch to some other crop, sell up, give up . . . . .
  And then there’s all the Filipino diary workers and there’s a lot down south.
  
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  September 19, 2019 11:07am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Fruit and vegetable picking will be all automated in a few years – machine vision and robotic dexterity are improving rapidly:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwSbzNHGflM
    
    So in the meantime lets just use imported itinerant labour for the next 5-10 years. It’s not going to be a useful career for any other NZers
    
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    September 19, 2019 11:41am
  - Jack5
    
    I’m saying that cheap labour is not a route to economic prosperity. That comes with rising productivity, and cheap imported labour does not push a country into higher productivity.
    
    How has the inflow of thousands of dairy-farm workers from lower wage countries (from the Philippines to Uruguay and places in between) helped the dairy industry moved up from being a commodities industry?
    
    If you follow the strawberry argument, you could say any X cannot be produced without cheap foreign labour, therefore we should bring in foreign labour to produce X, regardless of over-all effect on national development, and regardless of pressure on social and physical infastructure.
    
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    September 19, 2019 11:49am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Robotic fruit pickers for delicate fruit like tomatoes, strawberries, apples, kiwifruit and stonefruit have hit the market, and they will only get cheaper:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3SGScaShhw
    
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    September 19, 2019 12:17pm
  - Paulus
    
    Our supermarket strawberries are from Australia.
    
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    September 19, 2019 2:07pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      At this time of the year, yes. Later on, from December, mine are from ny garden.
      
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      September 19, 2019 4:33pm
Jack5

Edit: Whoops, and sorry. Should read:

A new OECD report shows that New Zealand tops use of imported temporary labour as a percentage of national population (first link below; we find it in an Australian report about NZ Australia being second to NZ).
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September 19, 2019 9:57am
Odakyu-sen

I wonder if the Prime Minister will visit the Fukushima region?
Since March 2011, the work to clean up the Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear powerplant site is continuing.
Although the water used to cool the remains of the reactors is processed to remove the radioactive isotopes, they can’t remove the tritium from the water. The processed water containing the heavy hydrogen is store on site, in hundreds of large tanks. Unfortunately, the clean-up produces about 150 tons of this water a day, and they will run out of storage space in about 3 years.
The government has said that so long as the concentration of tritium in the water is “within the safety standards”, then they should dump the water into the sea. (Meaning: dilute the concentration of tritium in the processed water until it is “within the safety standards”, then dump it.)
Naturally, the local Fukushima fishermans’ association is up in arms. Moreover, the South Koreans will use this as an excuse to further tighten restrictions on imports of Japanese fisheries produce, as if they needed any excuses in the current trade spat between the two countries.
This problem is not going to go away any time soon…
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September 19, 2019 10:13am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  ‘This problem is not going to go away any time soon… ‘
  
  The PriNZcess or the Tritium?
  
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  September 19, 2019 11:39am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    I had to look up Mr Google who says ‘tritium is a low energy beta emitter, it is not dangerous externally (its beta particles are unable to penetrate the skin), but it can be a radiation hazard when inhaled, ingested via food or water, or absorbed through the skin.’
    
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    September 19, 2019 11:42am
- Ed Snack
  
  It would seem to me that the solution is to use a large tanker with a, say 1-2000 metere hose that can be directed down beneath the ship. Load it with the tritiated water, sale out into the Pacific several hundred km off the coast, and “inject” the water down below the sunlight penetrating region (so into a mostly liveform free zone) The half-life of Tritium is about 12.5 years and the emitted beta particles are very low energy.
  
  In the deep pacific, the tritiated water would be a mere “drop in the ocean” and as long as put down deep enough probably won’t easily turn over. Especially if the water is salted a bit above natural seawater and cooled – so it will tend to sink as a mass.
  
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  September 19, 2019 4:47pm
tf78

Swifty – Just like NZ should be run by a MAN from the National Party.
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September 19, 2019 10:24am
- Tall Man
  
  Or any other “competent” person of which National has in spades…. labour, not at all.
  
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  September 19, 2019 12:27pm
Jack5

A PR-marketing-hype subsidiary of the Christchurch City Council has come up with a campaign that should prompt ratepayers to use the imminent elections to dump the Leftist mob that are buggering the city.

The hype subsidiary, with its own name chosen by geniuses – “Christchurch NZ,” wants to rename the annual Show Week (often known as Cup Week), which includes an agricultural show, and thoroughbred and harness racing. The name will be “Bloom”.

The many, impressoive blossom trees are coming out in Christchurch now, and the bloom will long be gone by the time of Show Week-Bloom, which is in early November.

The Christchurch Press today trots out Canterbury University marketing lecturer Ekant Veer, with wowserish support for the name change.

Veer, whose pro-multiculturism views we have discussed on Kiwiblog, doesn’t approve of the “associations of alcohol consumption and gambling that tend to follow Cup day.”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/115885921/spring-bloom-campaign-replaces-nz-cup-and-show-branding
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September 19, 2019 10:31am
Maggy Wassilieff

Who would want to take to court a sexual harassment case against your boss?

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/09/craig-sexually-harassed-mcgregor-but-wasn-t-bad-employer-judge.html
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September 19, 2019 10:46am
- rightoverlabour
  
  Labour Party Staffers… The whole sordid saga of sexual harrassment is a bloody minefield. On one hand, we have innocent young people assaulted and harrassed by powerful people who think they are untouchable. On the other, we have innocent people falsely accused of inappropriate behaviour and the stress of dealing with false rape allegations. One can almost understand living in a cave away from society….
  
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  September 19, 2019 11:28am
Tony Stuart

Q3 could be fun this afternoon, given that the Minister to whom the question is being addressed is Kelvin Davis:

Hon Dr NICK SMITH to the Minister for Māori Crown Relations: Te Arawhiti: Does he agree with mana whenua that their land should be returned at Ihumātao, and that the Government should “negotiate with Fletchers for the return of Ihumātao to its ‘rightful owners’ ”; if not, why not?

Just in case Davis chooses again to answer in Te Reo Maori, is an instant translation service available to viewers?
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September 19, 2019 11:37am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Its Davis man! Irrespective of the content or how he answers, it will be simplistic, read from the script and, cringe-worthy crap.
  
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  September 19, 2019 11:45am
- chaos
  
  https://www.parliament.nz/en/footer/website-help/the-parliament-tv-and-radio-page-explained/#Interpretation
  
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  September 19, 2019 11:58am
- DigNap15
  
  yes I see translations into English on my freeview tv
  
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  September 19, 2019 12:45pm
- Nukuleka
  
  Watch how the House will sit in respectful silence during Davis’s answers if they are in Maori- no barracking or heckling as there would be were he to answer in English.
  
  Te reo is sacrosanct, you know, and anyone speaking it must be respected in a way they wouldn’t were they to speaking in common or garden English.
  
  Davis knows this and knows he can get away with talking crap when most people have to rely on a translator to know what the hell he is saying.
  
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  September 19, 2019 12:48pm
  - Classic Liberal
    
    And as we recently saw, even the translator and even KD are uncertain what the hell he’s saying! (‘rumours’ or ‘allegations’? ‘hey, words meant whatever I afterwards claim they meant…’)
    
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    September 19, 2019 2:44pm
- godruelf
  
  Tony I did find last week if you stream the questions from the website the translation comes up in the captions
  
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  September 19, 2019 1:00pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Just listening to Paul Tahora speaking with Sean Plunket on Magic.
  He said: “What was ‘full and final’ to Maori elders, in no longer considered full and final to the younger generation”
  
  Wonder what that means for the residents of Remuera Tamaki-Makaurau?
  
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  September 19, 2019 1:03pm
  - kowtow
    
    Full and final has always been a lie.
    
    ‘The $170 million settlement in 1997 was the tribe’s fifth.’
    
    https://www.odt.co.nz/opinion/complaint-industry-still-rambles
    
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    September 19, 2019 1:22pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    “Full and final” only lasts for a single generation. The next generation wants their cut.
    
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    September 19, 2019 1:48pm
  - tranquil
    
    “What was ‘full and final’ to Maori elders, in no longer considered full and final to the younger generation.”
    
    So, in other words, they’re **disrespecting** their elders. That’s what **I** take from that.
    That is HUGELY **arrogant**.
    
    How “odd” – I thought that elders were supposed to be “respected” in Maoridom.
    Apparently not.
    
    The attitude of the youth shows that any respect that they publicly show towards their culture (including using their language) is little more than window-dressing.
    
    Gee…… how did that proverb go?
    “He aha te mea nui o te Ao?
    He tangata, he tangata, he tangata.”
    
    “What is the most important thing in the world? It is people, it is people, it is people.”
    
    Looks like for Maori youth, that means **them** and no-one else.
    
    If they had shown this level of disrespect towards their elders 150 years ago, they would almost certainly have been killed (and I’ll BET that **99 percent** of Maori elders out there would agree with me.).
    
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    September 19, 2019 2:14pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Many no longer live on marae or have any control over them.
      
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      September 19, 2019 5:17pm
chaos

Have been told to get our firewood very early for next winter, the reason the firewood merchant said, frontera are buying up all the logs and come winter there is going to be a huge firewood shortage.
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September 19, 2019 11:45am
Cobolt24

New Zealand’s gross domestic product (GDP) grew 0.5 per cent in the three months to the end of June, confirming fears of a slowdown.
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https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/115813023/economy-loses-some-steam-as-gdp-growth-slips-to-05pc

https://www.interest.co.nz/news/101731/gross-domestic-product-figures-show-slowest-rate-annual-growth-late-2013-figures-are
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September 19, 2019 11:46am
UrbanNeocolonialist

GDP growth down to 0.5% for the quarter, 2.1% annually. Was 3.1% when coalition came in.
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September 19, 2019 11:49am
- chaos
  
  In all fairness Jacinda hasn’t learned what GDP is yet
  
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  September 19, 2019 12:00pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  My partner was wondering weather Grant Robertson will need to mount
  a rear guard action?
  
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  September 19, 2019 12:54pm
  - sooty
    
    What put pants on under his chaps?
    
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    September 19, 2019 1:43pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Maggie, Maggie, Maggie… We have been over this before. Please control yourself.
    
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    September 19, 2019 2:04pm
    - MH
      
      weather forecasting again 😉
      
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      September 19, 2019 2:28pm
Komata

MaggiePier@1254

Perhaps an unfortunate use of phraseology there m’dear.

Alf might think he has ‘competition’.

(Just saying).
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September 19, 2019 1:13pm
kowtow

You have to laugh at how serious our msm are.

I just heard on the radio that Turdeau is in poop for black face at a party 20 years ago, wow , international headlines , who cares ?

Meanwhile the real news from Canada is a top RCMP spook has been arrested and charged with espionage offences, this guy has access to 5 Eyes ……

I hope he never blacked up , cos that would be a very bad thing to do…….

https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/zmjzve/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-unfolding-canadian-spy-story-cameron-ortis
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September 19, 2019 1:31pm
- Ed Snack
  
  Interestingly Cameron Ortis seems to have been shopped by the owner/controller of a company that sold highly secure encrypted blackberries for communications that were widely used by drug cartels and money laundered (often being the same people). However Ortis was using his to communicate with his overseas intelligence handlers.
  
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  September 19, 2019 5:00pm
slightlyrighty

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFTUG6z-9-4

Footage from the Labour Party Sex assault tribunal!
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September 19, 2019 1:32pm
tranquil

I was thinking about the Ihumatao nonsense and thought – Maori really **are** the most mollycoddled, pandered-to and compensated of **any** group in a country that has been colonised.

I don’t think Spain gave any compensation to locals. France? Don’t think so.
Anyone else? Precious little.

Never in human history has a group complained for **so long** and so unjustifiably about **so little**.

My views are very rapidly hardening thanks to the Ihumatao fiasco.
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September 19, 2019 1:55pm
- DigNap15
  
  #Me Too
  I’m getting sick of Maori bleating about this and that.
  Tell them to get stuffed.
  And work like the rest of us.
  Not only that, they don’t think of themselves as New Zealanders
  They are Maori first and Maori second.
  
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  September 19, 2019 2:06pm
  - softail 1450
    
    DigNap15, I would suspect all this NOISE from Maori is being caused by 5% of Maori , there is a very easy fix to the problem take away the benefit from anyone found demonstrating that should be looking for a fricking job.
    I’d bet good money that if every person taking part in the current land occupation that is on a benefit was to suddenly vaporize those paddocks would be empty again and houses would be being built with side effects that include,
    more housing for young Maori,
    more employment for young Maori,
    more training for young Maori,
    more dignity for young Maori
    more court rooms with no young Maori,
    But no, these young bludging Maori just have nothing else to fill their boring aimless useless days so just blame Whitey and demonstrate about any fricking thing.
    I guess there is a silver lining in every cloud ,any liquor wholesaler with 10 kms of this land occupation would have been doing a massive trade, and with Ardern running our country it’s amazing that a DSW office hasn’t been set up on site..
    
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    September 20, 2019 7:40am
- chaos
  
  some Maori, not all.
  
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  September 19, 2019 2:08pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Quite
    
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    September 19, 2019 2:33pm
  - The King
    
    Don’t live life by exceptions, live by the general rule.
    
    You’re not locking your house at night for fear of a professional gang of White women burglars.
    
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    September 19, 2019 4:14pm
    - chaos
      
      No, I lock my doors and windows at night because my white neighbour spent 12 months on home detention. Now my Maori neighbour on the other side is always the first to offer to help and always at the fence to talk.
      
      I’d rather have a lovely Maori family living beside me any day than a racist old git.
      
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      September 19, 2019 6:14pm
      - The King
        
        Bullshit. Nirvana fallacy.
        
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        September 19, 2019 7:08pm
      - Tall Man
        
        So, by you identifying people by their race and or colour, are you not being racist?
        
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        September 19, 2019 7:54pm
- MH
  
  we tend to forget that most of the benefit payments seem to have gone to Maori as well, and that hasn’t been included as part of the colonial repatriation accounts since we established an Aboriginal office and then on to Maori Affairs etc etc. Double dipping.
  
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  September 19, 2019 2:33pm
- cmm
  
  I laugh when I see white South African people complaining that they should no longer be blamed for conditions there since it has been one man one vote for 25 years now.
  
  When is long enough? they ask.
  
  Well here in NZ Maori have had the vote longer than whites – for well over a hundred years. And everything is still white peoples’ fault.
  
  South Africa will still be blaming apartheid a hundred years from now.
  
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  September 19, 2019 2:56pm
  - Tall Man
    
    “Some” Sth Africans will.
    
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    September 19, 2019 7:53pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  I used to be glad we had the Treaty. It seemed fairer than colonisation through war, violence, infection and theft.
  
  But now Treaty activists (egged on by Ardern) are saying the Treaty can’t give full and final settlements and in fact private property ownership can be in question.
  
  Besides, there isn’t a single genetically only Maori person in NZ. I have part-Maori relatives, and many Kiwis are probably related to some iwi genetically or through marriage.
  
  The part Maori in my family are very successful through education, working, saving – the usual way people succeed.
  
  And whatever ‘final’ settlements are dished out, again and again, each will soon be lost unless education, working, saving are applied.
  
  I’m going to try to use two terms: Treaty activists (not even necessarily genetically Maori at all) and part-Maori Kiwis (some Maori DNA). (One of the latter is one of the whitest, blondest person I ever met, so this has absolutely nothing to do with colour.)
  
  If ‘race’ is going to become so damn important again, when our aim should be to make it totally irrelevant, I really want to know: can anyone who wants to call themselves ‘Maori’ now?
  
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  September 19, 2019 3:15pm
  - DigNap15
    
    Yes there are hundreds of thousands of people in NZ who call themselves and think of themselves as Maori.
    So just give up on the idea of there being no pure breds left.
    We all know that most of our criminals and beneficiaries are Maori!
    
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    September 19, 2019 3:46pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    What is Maori? Seven different tribes each from a place unknown.
    
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    September 19, 2019 5:06pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  The Pacific recognise Maui throughout. He is a trickster and its culturally appropriate to emulate him. “Got you sucker” is our equivalent.
  
  No deal is final with Maori also because to them might is right. Title exists through successful battle for occupancy. They dispossessed each other. The victor took the spoils and other things.
  
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  September 19, 2019 5:14pm
DigNap15

Even today, there was a sickly white judge partly excusing a maori guy for killing his flatmate friend because of his colonial past.
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September 19, 2019 2:07pm
- MCos
  
  A mate of mine whose mother was 100% Māori beat the shit out of some kid at school because he asked him why he didn’t wash his face.
  Now you tell me. Did he do the right thing and put a stop to the intimidation or should he have turned the other cheek?
  
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  September 19, 2019 5:04pm
cmm

Alas Hluleka, I knew you well…

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12268922

This is in the Xhosa-dominated area previously known as the Transkei.

Can’t really blame apartheid since this area has been under Xhosa ownership “forever” (well since the Khoisan people were ejected long before whites arrived).
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September 19, 2019 2:48pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  And people wonder why South Africans of every colour are leaving in droves… I just wonder why this story hit the inernational news considering about 56 other people would have been murdered that day as well.
  
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  September 19, 2019 6:32pm
Happychappy

Government to launch bonds to raise 2 billion.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12268484
This is to help them reach Q3 for 2019
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September 19, 2019 2:56pm
- chaos
  
  This is to help pay for all the pay rises they never budgeted for ?
  
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  September 19, 2019 4:08pm
Jack5

Jacinda mistakes Japan for China!

The Guardian reports:

Ardern had only just touched down in the country and was giving an interview when she said in her opening remarks it was an “incredibly exciting time for New Zealand in its relationship with China – excuse me sorry, with Japan”.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/19/jacinda-ardern-mistakes-japan-for-china-during-tokyo-visit
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September 19, 2019 3:08pm
- chaos
  
  It is a very easy mistake to make when you are using the wrong map
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2019/08/russia-today-admits-it-accidentally-broadcast-map-labelling-new-zealand-as-japan/_jcr_content/par/video/image.dynimg.1280.q75.jpg/v1566599546972/RUSSIATODAY-mislabelled-new-zealand-map-1120.jpg
  
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  September 19, 2019 3:26pm
- DigNap15
  
  And I used to dislike the Guardian!
  
  At least Jo Biden has an excuse for his verbal diarrhea
  (being nearly 80)
  
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  September 19, 2019 3:43pm
- MCos
  
  Should have taken Paula Bennett along to hold her hand.
  
  [Mod – corrected Paula’s name for you; you spelt her surname wrong!]
  
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  September 19, 2019 4:18pm
  - Johnboy
    
    As we all know there were Mods and then there were Rockers! Rock on MCos! 🙂
    
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    September 19, 2019 4:59pm
chaos

Trevor showing his protection again

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/09/national-mp-andrew-bayly-booted-from-parliament-over-ihum-tao-questioning.html
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September 19, 2019 3:40pm
- Tall Man
  
  We need our host to show his teeth here with a little inside scuttlebutt……
  
  This type of action seems extremely undemocratic to me.
  
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  September 19, 2019 7:16pm
Johnboy

This is utterly dreadful news!
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/115916281/middleaged-women-identified-as-big-booze-problem-at-dunedin-concerts
How are young randy studs going to learn how to do it properly if all they can get to shag are silly little girls? 🙂
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September 19, 2019 4:55pm
- Johnboy
  
  “Examples from previous Dunedin concerts showed the problems of intoxicated punters was predominantly middle-aged women “who drink a bottle of wine and misjudge their pre-loading”, he said.”
  
  God you just have to luv those silly middle-aged old tarts that fuck there pre-loads! Once they’ve done that you know they are game for anything! 🙂
  
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  September 19, 2019 5:31pm
  - kowtow
    
    Middle aged,substance abusing Dunedin wimming are a problem…….
    
    https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/turei-fighting-make-weed-legal-appears-parliament
    
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    September 19, 2019 7:02pm
  - sooty
    
    Some sheep dip, you reckon!
    
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    September 19, 2019 7:39pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Imagine what these gals will be like when they get into their vintage years….
  
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  September 19, 2019 5:41pm
  - Johnboy
    
    I hardly sleep at night having phantasms of you in your vintage years Maggy. 🙂
    
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    September 19, 2019 6:23pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Behave yourself johnboy or there’s a wacking coming your way….. 😉
      
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      September 19, 2019 7:11pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  They join the Labour party, get into Cindy’s office and, well you know the rest…
  
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  September 19, 2019 6:28pm
Maggie Pie

Do you no what i hate?
Peoples on blogs who say, “Sorry, FAT FINGERS”

Even the thort of them makes me feel f~~ing ill 🙁
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September 19, 2019 5:21pm
Johnboy

Phantasms = Fantasy orgasms! 🙂
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September 19, 2019 6:27pm
DigNap15

Maori land claims need to be
Full and Final
and Forever
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September 19, 2019 7:04pm
sooty

Phillipa Twyford is screaming like a stuck bitch, over Simon Bridges complaint abut the NZTA board been replaced.
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September 19, 2019 7:37pm
tranquil

I think National should promise to axe the Waitangi Tribunal in its next term in power (assuming they win the next election).

Even better, they should do it within 30 days of winning.

The WT is nothing more than a **grievance factory**.
The sooner it is axed, the better off Maori will be without its “training wheels”.

Oh, and Bridges? Axe Women’s Affairs, HRC and any other **useless** PC do-gooder outfit while you’re at it.
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