General Debate 18 September 2019

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harvey wilson

Is Grant Robertson still in hiding ?
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September 18, 2019 8:03am
- softail 1450
  
  H W ,Robinson is hiding behind that pillar of the Community Alfie ,and there will be blubbering and heaps of tears and screams of “I don’t deserve this I’m a NZ gay icon FFS” and of course he will be doing the normal thing when a labour rat is caught in the headlights, working on who he can pass the blame to….
  He’d better be careful because it seems to me that most of that dismal group of shite are already surrounded by sleeze and blame passing including the forgetful Leader..
  
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  September 18, 2019 8:21am
- Justitia
  
  @ harvey: perhaps he’s done the “Invisible Alf” trick? https://youtu.be/7_qkG9gqhA8
  
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  September 18, 2019 8:28am
- Shut the hell up you Fascist!
  
  Where’s Wally?
  
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  September 18, 2019 8:40am
  - Tall Man
    
    There’s a whole bunch of them in the coalition… which particular one are you after and why?
    
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    September 18, 2019 9:07am
Poppa

I was thinking last night how I used to feel proud when John Key went offshore to meet other leaders as he was well respected by all who met him.

Now I feel embarrassed with what we have got representing us. How far we have fallen
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September 18, 2019 8:05am
- record guy
  
  I agree. The current situation is highly embarrassing.
  
  Should make for great chat …. “oh hello Jacinda … when you marched about me and my pussy grabbing it’s made me wonder when you will take to the streets and protest about those in your own party”
  
  And as for Vogue enough said
  
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  September 18, 2019 8:34am
- Akarak
  
  Please don’t let her stand alongside Ivanka!
  
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  September 18, 2019 8:56am
  - sooty
    
    Just think, she has to entertain Jethro the wife!
    
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    September 18, 2019 10:05am
- igm
  
  Fortunately she is getting known worldwide as a incompetent and hopeless virtue signalling liar.
  Apart from imbeciles still supporting her, most are awaiting either her resignation, or her removal.
  
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  September 18, 2019 9:24am
- wreck1080
  
  Yet world leaders appear to hold jacinda in higher regard than Key.
  
  Don’t get it…. wear one scarf …..
  
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  September 18, 2019 11:49am
- Gravelroad
  
  I have no confidence that the Prime Minister will represent our country in a mature and dignified manner.
  And even if she does get a grip of herself and is able to refrain from saying stupid stuff to President Trump, she will come back and make up up something with which to entertain her glitzy Auckland celebrity friends.
  No, not my Prime Minister.
  
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  September 18, 2019 12:43pm
Nukuleka

Speaker Trevor Mallard, Protector of the Princess, was in his element in Parliamentary Question Time yesterday. In shutting down Paula Bennett’s questioning of Ardern he showed that in is his partisan handling of parliamentary affairs he has no shame.
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September 18, 2019 8:08am
- SJ Actual
  
  I don’t know – I thought Paula could have worked a bit harder on questions that kept within the rules.
  
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  September 18, 2019 8:18am
  - slightlyrighty
    
    that depends on the rules, who enforces them and why.
    
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    September 18, 2019 8:27am
  - Liberty
    
    Mallard is selective when it comes to standing orders.
    Col can do no wrong.
    When it comes to Informed searching questions from National
    Mallard is nothing more than a pedantic twat.
    
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    September 18, 2019 9:29am
- G152
  
  Yup. She couldn’t get a single question completed.
  Time for the duck to retire and dream of moa
  
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  September 18, 2019 8:18am
  - sooty
    
    Does the duck do lawnmowing with his moa!
    
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    September 18, 2019 9:13am
- chaos
  
  Paula knows the rules, she needs to up her game to get them within the rules, only way to get them accepted by mallard
  
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  September 18, 2019 8:35am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Well, it looked to me that she was easily within the rules as most would understand them, but Mallard has his own idiosyncratic interpretation, powered I believe by a strong dose of “what do I need to do to protect the government”.
    
    I did think the Margaret Wilson was a foul aberration, but it seems that Mallard is heading down the same path.
    
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    September 18, 2019 11:42am
  - Komata
    
    Chaos
    @0835
    
    It’s very difficult when the Speaker keeps changing said rules and moves goalposts as and when it suits him.
    
    Oh, wait, he’s labour, so it now makes absolute sense…
    
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    September 18, 2019 11:46am
    - chaos
      
      Of course if he was changing the rules national could do something about it, but he isnt
      
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      September 18, 2019 12:01pm
- Ruawai
  
  Do MP’s have any way to disagree with Speakers rulings and have them overturned?
  
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  September 18, 2019 9:16am
  - G152
    
    No. And that would be the quickest way to get a day off
    
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    September 18, 2019 9:37am
  - freethinker
    
    A vote of no confidence in the Speaker, would fail but send a message and possibly create a precedent as I am unaware of a speaker having such a vote proposed although Margaret Wilson would be a prime candidate.
    
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    September 18, 2019 10:19am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Trevor Mallard is sending a clear message to NZ that the PM and her Labour Party colleagues have something to hide.
  
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  September 18, 2019 10:15am
  - chaos
    
    Yeah, lots more to hide. Paula needs to put forward questions mallard cant shut down.
    
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    September 18, 2019 10:30am
Maggie Pie

BISHOP BRIAN sends his blessing 🙂

https://twitter.com/BishopTamaki/status/1173750895378456576

[i still have my plastic ruler from boarding school with the same message – it’s sooo true]
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September 18, 2019 8:09am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, you must have been wealthy..plastic ruler. I was poor and had to use a wooden one, though I etched somewhat rude messages on it.
  
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  September 18, 2019 8:22am
- cmm
  
  In Ardern’s case it seems to be a sickness.
  
  To lie when it might get you out of trouble is one thing, but she lies when there is absolutely no need.
  
  Take for example the time when the Labour people caused all those ructions about eligibility of MPs in Oz. She was the newly minted Labour Leader and was asked if she had apologised to Julie Bishop (or whoever it was). Her answer was sometime like: “Er um ah I haven’t got her phone number.”
  
  “No” would have been fine.
  
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  September 18, 2019 8:23am
  - Akarak
    
    The PTPM’s demeanour has changed over the last few days. She appears to have completely withdrawn from the real world into a fantasy world of her own. In this world full of stardust and unicorns she now believes that she is acting fully in the interests of the complainants but she doesn’t wish, or know how, to deal with the facts. Her vacuous announcements are designed to deliberately mislead or divert attention from things she doesn’t understand. Instead we are asked to support her as she tackles such important global issues as the Rugby World Cup, changing Neve’s nappy at the UN and shaking hands with a man she has openly stated she detests in order to show her maturity as a world leader. Welcome to the world of Jacinda.
    
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    September 18, 2019 2:22pm
- Yvette
  
  Bishop Brian Tamaki @BishopTamaki
  You knw what..i should hav just been bloody Honest..I knew what was going on but i trusted voices below me that said “We will make it go away”..but it didnt!! “Be sure..Be sure your Sins will find you out” on this occasion Lies..Sex..Politics..Bye bye Jacinda
  
  This tweet is actually on a slab of stone. There are nine more to come.
  
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  September 18, 2019 8:28am
softail 1450

Corey Lewandowski is ripping the Democrats a new Winston (arsehole)as we speak ,it’s hilarious, Nadler is so thick he makes Maxine Waters look like a born again Albert Einstein.
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September 18, 2019 8:10am
kowtow

‘A court case with vital implications for freedom of speech has been played out this week in the High Court at Auckland.

The proceedings were initiated by the Free Speech Coalition, which is challenging the lawfulness of a decision by Regional Facilities Auckland – an arm of Auckland Council – to cancel an appearance last year by the controversial Canadian speakers Lauren Southern and Stefan Molyneux.’

The outcome will be very interesting.

http://karldufresne.blogspot.com/2019/09/it-now-falls-to-private-citizens-to.html
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September 18, 2019 8:10am
- rouppe
  
  The outcome will be: “not ideal, but doesn’t cross the threshold”.
  
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  September 18, 2019 9:22am
aquataur

I’ve heard a rumour- in Te Reo of course- that the Labour staffer is or was a lawyer.

FFS if true what is it about the legal profession? And should the Law Society investigate as it would seem he might not be a fit and proper person. no Poloce complaint required

For their sake, hope he didn’t work at Russ McV

[Mod – Please don’t start rumours. Any attempts to identify the former staffer expose DPF to risk, and will not be tolerated]
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September 18, 2019 8:14am
- chaos
  
  I’ve heard a rumour, I have not been able to confirm it yet, that the moon is not made of cheese.
  
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  September 18, 2019 8:36am
  - Tall Man
    
    Well that’s just fucked my astronomical aspirations…. ;(
    
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    September 18, 2019 9:10am
- Liberty
  
  So why can’t this person just be named?
  As far as we know he is not in the courts.
  He is just some Labour lacky who worked in the Parliament building.
  So why is the lefty media treating him with kid gloves ?
  Would he have been treated the same if he was working
  For the National party?
  Keeping in mind how puritan the media is when it suits them.
  As we saw when the media got all hysterical over a ponytail.
  
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  September 18, 2019 10:20am
- wreck1080
  
  Yes, and this is why they should name the person.
  
  To take the heat off innocent people .
  
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  September 18, 2019 11:51am
cmm

Stuff is saying 4000 days until the end of the world… or something like that.

Huh!

Al Gore’s “Inconvenient Truth” already tried that tack in 2006. 4000 days from 2006 is 2017.

By now all the ice should be gone, all the polar bears are dead and they restarted asbestos mining to make school clothing to get kids to school safely and people are using jet skis to get to work along Tamaki Drive.

Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.
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September 18, 2019 8:16am
- SJ Actual
  
  Must be written by a vic uni graduate – the caption on the image contains a dig at the right :
  
  “You choose the ending. We have 4000 days left, so will you hang an extreme right or pursue a new direction?”
  
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  September 18, 2019 8:21am
  - cmm
    
    Seems to be promoting extreme violence to conservatives.
    
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    September 18, 2019 8:33am
- harvey wilson
  
  That article and cartoon is cringeworthy, it’s a good thing it can’t hurt Stuffs credibility
  
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  September 18, 2019 8:23am
- Andrei
  
  Stuff which used to be a news site is now a “climate change” advocacy site
  
  Doesn’t report much news at all.
  
  You’ld have to search hard to find anything about the bombing of the Saudi oil facilities or the latest on the scandle currently embroiling the Labour party or example
  
  The top “News” story when I looked just now is a science fiction piece about New Zealand in 2050.
  
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  September 18, 2019 8:25am
  - kowtow
    
    Same with the ODT , who call themselves “the independant voice of the south” , they’ve also joined the fantasy fiction club of climate catastrophists.
    
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    September 18, 2019 8:42am
  - Poppa
    
    Totally agree. I turned on stuff this morning as I do before showering & what did I see? Not one climate change headline but 4!
    
    It is getting way out of hand. I hope Stuff realise that they are going to end up in a steaming pile of ash long before the world ends. I only hope I am still here to see it
    
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    September 18, 2019 8:58am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      attempting to enhance Jacinda’s profile, ahead of her speech and job application to the UN?
      
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      September 18, 2019 9:46am
    - theoldbloke
      
      I think they are trying the desperation tactic(Read CNN Russians/Trump Collusion)
      Did buggar all for their viewership.
      
      Same stupid thinking at Stuff.(Climate alarmist)
      Will end up with same result
      
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      September 19, 2019 2:51am
  - Surely Knott
    
    Stuff’s climate reporting they say is a partnership with “Covering Climate Now”. Covering Climate Now lists their members and it includes all our major papers and tv. There is no other small country that has as many papers linked to climate now. Australia has no majors papers partnering. We have Stuff, the Herald and Otago Times, TV1, Newsrrom, the spinoff, RNZ, TV1 and TVNZ. How can we get independent news when they are all signed up to the same think tank. Climate Now says it is funded by the Schuman Media Centre. Influence watch says , “The Schumann Media Center (formerly the Schumann Center for Media and Democracy) is a private foundation which funds a number of left-of-center media organizations. The Center’s president is Bill Moyers, the longtime left-wing PBS commentator who served as White House Press Secretary in the Johnson administration.” Do our papers get paid to print this stuff?
    
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    September 18, 2019 9:07am
    - Ed Snack
      
      Yes, yes they do.
      
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      September 18, 2019 11:45am
  - Surely Knott
    
    Good article from Hosking also. It’s a fair question. If Climate Change is perceived as our biggest threat by the majority of right thinking people, and only a few nutty ignorant denialists are causing a problem. Then why aren’t our T2 car share lanes chocka with all the climate change doomsdayers in an effort to reduce their footprint, why aren’t coastal properties dropping in price, why isn’t overseas travel dropping starting with the people who are shoulting climate change the loudest . There are loads of people complaining about the impact of farmers on the climate but how many of those complainers have stopped eating meat and dairy. There is a huge disconnect between what they say and what they do which makes you think they don’t really believe it either.
    
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    September 18, 2019 12:46pm
- kowtow
  
  They’re fooling themselves .
  
  They consider themselves journalists but are furiously pushing project fear , publishing , literally , fantasy fiction .
  
  Oh well , Cindy/ Green voters will get something out of it.
  
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  September 18, 2019 8:30am
  - Tall Man
    
    “Oh well , Cindy/ Green voters will get something out of it.”
    
    Hopefully “acid reflux”….
    
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    September 18, 2019 9:12am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      I hear, eating crow, humble pie, or your own words will have that result.
      
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      September 18, 2019 9:48am
    - freethinker
      
      I was hoping for a very large electoral kick in their collective arses come 2020 and the destination the settling ponds at the local sewage station were they will feel at home – Pigs in shit with or without the lipstick.
      
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      September 18, 2019 10:27am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Scaring people without good reason is criminal.
  There is adequate evidence that the sun is in control of our climate not us.
  An attempt is being made for full political of the world. The costs presented are too high and this present erruption is a response to the lack of success the UN warriors are having.
  The French people had an accounting when they found their masters wanting. Time will tell.
  
  There is hope: the new LENR energy sources are causing a storm of excitement in the investigating labs and about the pre-commercial prototypes. Anyone interest in physics should have a look at https://e-catworld.com/
  
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  September 18, 2019 8:30am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Sigh, LENR has been around for a long time promising “breakthroughs”. They’re always promising, but don’t, and I believe can’t, deliver.
    
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    September 18, 2019 11:47am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Have a look at the what is going on now. I’ve had my eye on it for 10 years too. The conference reports and visuals are fascinating–small plasmas are producing and depositing elements! No wonder the USA DOD has signed up.
      
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      September 18, 2019 12:11pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I didn’t see any recently dead polar bears when I was in Svalbard in July – I saw a few stuffed ones – and photographs of thousands upon thousands of Polar bear skins and shot Polar bears. (They were hunted until 1973… annual kill 400-500)
  
  I saw 9 live Polar bears – all appeared healthy (5 adults, 4 cubs).
  
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  September 18, 2019 8:35am
  - kowtow
    
    Maggy
    
    Longyearbyen
    
    tvnz on demand ; ice town , life on the edge . Very entertaining.
    
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    September 18, 2019 8:56am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Yeah, they only have to look at Longyearbyen’s 24hr webcam sites to realise the place is snow-bound as usual…(it’s -3C at the moment).
      https://www.webcamgalore.com/webcam/Norway/Longyearbyen-Spitsbergen/5702.html
      
      Couple of weeks ago a shipload of “climate change journalists” had to be evacuated from Longyearbyen because the seas were icing over.
      https://maritimebulletin.net/2019/09/04/ship-with-climate-change-warriors-caught-in-ice-warriors-evacuated/?via=
      
      but it’s easy to tell lies about places most folks are never going to see.
      
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      September 18, 2019 9:52am
  - alloytoo
    
    Didn’t the live bears get the memo?
    
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    September 18, 2019 8:59am
- chaos
  
  That’s great, only 4000 more days then no more stuff, oh wait, they’re losing money and no one want stock buy them so they won’t even last that long
  
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  September 18, 2019 8:38am
- The King
  
  Take a good look at the comic and you see how it attempts to humiliate/demonize naysayers, while boosting the messiah image of their 16yo kid prophet Greta.
  
  These people are dangerous, it all seems good now, wait until they start blowing up refineries and killing farmers, this will all happen in about 2 years.
  
  They have already made a play literally called “Kill climate deniers”
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kill_Climate_Deniers
  
  They are radicalizing the youth, they know exactly what they are doing, and when people start getting murdered these ‘journalists’ should be rounded up,jailed and charged for inciting terrorism.
  
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  September 18, 2019 8:46am
  - tranquil
    
    All agreed.
    ( I wish I could give you 1,000 upticks but at least I gave you 1……. 🙂 )
    
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    September 18, 2019 9:06am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Oh yes, they are coming for us…
    http://joannenova.com.au/2019/09/predatory-climate-deniers-immediate-threat-to-our-children-tim-flannery-rants-but-admits-his-colossal-failure/
    
    and if they can’t hunt us down on the blogs… they’ll capture us (on film) in the meat aisle of St Luke’s supermarket.
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12268442
    
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    September 18, 2019 9:58am
    - The King
      
      And the GCSB will be doing 0 monitoring of this climate cult, when people get killed they will be like “oh but we found a meanie Whitey posting mean things on Facebook”
      
      Look at how they are dressed in that second article, literally looking like ISIS. These are militants.
      
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      September 18, 2019 11:13am
- Paginus
  
  Great video of a guy looking at Time magazine covers of the last thirty years.
  Supposedly we are all going to die from drought, floods, fires, global warming, global cooling, etc
  
  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pthTyzgiRZo
  
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  September 18, 2019 8:46am
  - Lizziep
    
    Sorry to add to your list Paginus it was very comprehensive , but you forgot about antibiotics no longer working for some health issues. That is actually a real issue for some illnesses now, so guess it doesn’t count.
    
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    September 18, 2019 10:30am
- wreck1080
  
  The conflict is not about whether Co2 is causing warming, but how fast.
  
  Clearly the earth is warming, it is entirely measurable and is occurring. When will it become an issue? 100 years? 200?
  
  Heatwaves are already an issue, they kill a lot of people.
  
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  September 18, 2019 11:57am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    The worst heatwaves were in the 1930s. Its not nearly as hot now, for as long, as was in the 1930s. But that’s not convenient to the fraud being perpetrated.
    
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    September 18, 2019 2:37pm
Ruahine

Yes and we saw the sorry spectacle of the so-called Human Rights Commission defending the shutting down of free speech.
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September 18, 2019 8:18am
- The King
  
  Yes, break your back slaving away for the benefit of foreigners and parasites “human right’ to belittle,demonize, call you racist/ evil colonizers, use all your tax resources, and send you to jail if you dare speak about it.
  
  Brilliant!
  
  Imagine giving ‘free speech’ to people that hate you, want you dead and your daughters digitally raped.
  
  Who would do such a thing? it’s perfectly clear THEY don’t give a shit about YOUR “free speech” .
  
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  September 18, 2019 9:14am
Yvette

Labour pains
Is this incident now driven by real Jacindamania – mania that Ardern’s international #wetoo UN reputation is at stake, or Winston’s mentally toxic obsession over who he has convinced himself leaked his personal details (never more detailed than he voluntarily gave to media himself) in that this present problem is “led by a woman called Paula Bennett making all sorts of vile allegations by way of innuendo without a fact to back it up” [1]

The NZ First leader’s inflammatory comments come as Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern seeks to work with the complainants out of the public glare – but she won’t take her deputy to task.
“I’ve rarely seen such a disgraceful episode of unfounded allegations,” Peters said on Tuesday. [1]

Yep! – Winston would know. It is his job to know.

“If you are a victim of criminal wrongdoing, do not go to the opposition – go to the police,” Shane Jones, Regional Economic Minister, said. [1]

Unexpected, but at last some one who can see the trees instead of the forest.

“Obviously, it’s my job to fix this, and I will.”
Ardern said her job as Labour Party leader was to create a safe environment.
“Obviously that has not happened in this case – complainants haven’t felt heard.”
“I’ve openly said I’m very willing to meet with the complainants, it’s just a matter of working through what point in the process that will take place. [2]

So an almost manic swing to seem to compensate: “Alleged victims felt Ardern ‘didn’t care’ – Paula Bennett”

What next for Ardern’s leadership if Winston is right in calling the allegations “unfounded fiction”, an “orgy of speculation”, and “innuendo”?

And what of Winston, if Winston is wrong?

[1] https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/09/winston-peters-labels-labour-sexual-assault-claims-innuendo-nz-first-mps-back-him-up.html
[2] https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/09/it-s-my-job-to-fix-this-and-i-will-prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-on-labour-sexual-assault-scandal.html
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September 18, 2019 8:22am
- cmm
  
  “And what of Winston, if Winston is wrong?”
  
  That would be par for the course. When has he cared before?
  
  Nobody expects the truth from Winston.
  
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  September 18, 2019 8:29am
Happychappy

Winston Peter’s has showed his real colours with his remarks on the Labour sexual assaults and tried to cause the victims more anguish by calling them unfounded fiction and innuendo. He continued with it is led by a woman called Paula Bennett making all sorts of vile allegations by the way of innuendo with no facts to back it up.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/09/winston-peters-labels-labour-sexual-assault-claims-innuendo-nz-first-mps-back-him-up.html
This with all his NZ First MP’s lining up to back him. Isn’t it sad when a Leader of the Government has to trivialize Sexual Assault to try and score votes at the expense of those that have been Assaulted.
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September 18, 2019 8:25am
oldpark

President Trumps’ nemesis is off to meet him in Washington. Yes the wee girl known as the Peters selected PM called M/ Ardern from a small town in NZs is heading there with cap in hand to plead her innocence ,against her documented insults against President Trump.
The same wee small town girl was photographed in an Anti President Trump march in NZ in January 2017.
The theme at the time by a bunch of so called liberated #Meetoo women including Ardern was “Dump Trump”. Much later at another time ,and another place she was heard to say . President Trump was an “arrogant arsehole”.
Now it has been rumoured as she begs for a free trade agreement from the President she verbally maligned .It is rumoured when she said he was an “Arrogant Arsehole”she meant to say “Tadpole” Yeah right!As for her “Dump Trump”fiasco at the anti President Trump march,she has been heard saying over and over again to herself .Fifty fist pumps for Trump,or as many as it takes. Go figure, what a bloody backdown from the Peters selected wee girl Ardern from small town NZ.
Some people say any port in a storm. Ardern will be saying anyting for a free trade for NZ. After all the Australian Government have been seen sitting at the top table with President Trump. NZ because of the verbal kneecapping by Ardern against President Trump ,have been getting literally the message from USA .That country does not want NZs Steel,or Aluminium products . Nuff said.
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September 18, 2019 8:30am
- John Warren
  
  Just one more example of Ardern’s ignorance of the Law of Unintended Consequences.
  
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  September 18, 2019 8:47am
  - sooty
    
    I hope Trumpy has an enlarged photo of that hanging in Cindys waiting room, before their meeting. That would set the tone!
    
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    September 18, 2019 9:23am
- coge
  
  Suspect our PM will be the one getting a lecture. Seen Trump with Trudeau?
  
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  September 18, 2019 6:06pm
Yvette

Operation Burnham discrepancy
Should the first absolute fact not be the establishment of who exactly was killed?

This discrepancy seems so far unexplained, but goes to the heart of the issue, to ask who exactly was killed, although it would appear to be one by NZ forces – running towards them in the dark – and five unintentionally hit by a misaligned Apache (United States support) helicopter cannon.

From the Speech notes for Press Conference on Operation Burnham
Then-Chief of Defence Force, Lieutenant General Tim Keating –
“Let me turn now to the ISAF-Afghan Government inquiry.
Some days after the operation, the Provincial Governor of Baghlan Province, Governor Mojid, received a delegation of villagers who claimed that “a very big operation had occurred with helicopters…that some landed and the operation was firing at civilians and left. The locals claimed that six civilians were killed, 4 adult males, 1 adult female and one child aged six. Additionally there were two adult females being treated in a local hospital for wounds” [1]
That is 4 adult males, 1 adult female and one child aged six

opposed to “Hit& Run” book Jon Stephenson and Nicky Hager assertion –
5 adult males and one girl child aged three, named ‘Fatima’ [2]

[1] http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1703/S00340/press-conference-on-operation-burnham.htm Under the heading “The ISAF Inquiry”
[2] https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/90798790/afghan-villagers-engage-nz-lawyer-over-hit-and-run-sas-raid NZ troops were apparently flown in to hilltops, worked their way down past the villages point where the casualties occurred and then lower to a point where they were uplifted without returning on ground in that operation to check damage. According to the official Speech notes.
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September 18, 2019 8:38am
- cmm
  
  Determining what happened, at night, during combat in a backward country with language barriers, where there was possibility of compensation and where lying to the infidels is a sport is never going to be easy.
  
  Here in Chch, with less of the impediments, the cops managed to charge Tarrant with the murder of a person who was alive. Shit happens.
  
  What really happened in Afghanistan will perhaps never emerge. All that is needed is to determine whether the NZ contingent acted properly and it would seem they did.
  
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  September 18, 2019 8:52am
  - The King
    
    I still don’t get the whole bomb their terrorist training camps over there, yet let them build terrorist training camps here.
    
    Why did the SaS not storm the Al Noor mosque when known terrorists were in it? Aren’t they supposed to defend their own country first?
    
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    September 18, 2019 9:21am
- G152
  
  Old adage well known in the military.
  Kill them before they kill you
  
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  September 18, 2019 9:42am
- RW Capitalist
  
  That is 4 adult males, 1 adult female and one child aged six
  
  opposed to “Hit& Run” book Jon Stephenson and Nicky Hager assertion –
  5 adult males and one girl child aged three, named ‘Fatima’ [2]
  That’s what you get when you use a novel (fanciful fiction) as evidence in a court of law, instead of verified FACTS.
  
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  September 18, 2019 9:55am
Gandolfo

As a father of four daughters, hearing the Prime Minister and the Deputy PM and the loud silence from all the female members of the New Zealand Parliament, watering down the criminal allegations of sexual abuse in the workplace can only be described as corruption. I do hope that, in this instance, the voices of Alison Mau et al do cease to speak out until justice is served from the top down.
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September 18, 2019 8:41am
- Gandolfo
  
  I meant do not cease to speak…
  
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  September 18, 2019 8:52am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  This incident tells every parent in NZ that we must teach our children strategies to avoid/repel unwanted sexual attention.
  
  We can’t rely on the fact that the senior folk in their schools/workplaces/clubs/government will protect them or even give a stuff if they are abused.
  
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  September 18, 2019 9:29am
  - alloytoo
    
    As a male I’m don’t want to live in Labour’s world where a woman is forced to assume every male is a predator.
    
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    September 18, 2019 9:56am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    When people are in shock their higher brain functions often shut down temporarily, we don’t respond sensibly or rationally. The best way to prepare for this is to pre-plan and practice your responses to such situations so you don’t think – you just do. That is what armies do through drilling, what marital arts do through sparring and practice (startle a martial astist and they will unthinkingly come to a guard position). So if trying to prepare your children get them to practice screaming and fighting to loosen inhibitions, particularly dirty ground-fighting (jujitsu, krav maga, MMA styles), to diminish their reluctance to do it if the need arises.
    
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    September 18, 2019 11:40am
- kevn
  
  @Gando… Mau is on her own. None of the other ‘metoo’ crowd is saying a word.
  Feet of clay the lot of them.
  
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  September 18, 2019 9:45am
- cmm
  
  I’d think it worse child abuse to let your kids near Labour thinking.
  
  If they really want to go on a Labour camp then tell them to read The Gulag Archipelago first.
  
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  September 18, 2019 10:14am
srylands

https://reneweconomy.com.au/act-to-phase-out-gas-as-it-launches-next-stage-to-zero-carbon-strategy-92906/

This is seriously scary. The Australian Capital Territory (ACT) Government has announced that it is going to covert Canberra from gas to electricity because gas is a fossil fuel. (The ACT government is like a “city council” for Canberra residents.)
I used to live in Canberra. The local government is a hotbed of left nutters. This shows where it ends up. It is correct that Canberra gets all its power from hydroelectricity. But it shares that power with NSW. So if Canberra takes more hydro power it just means that NSW needs to burn more coal!

So they are going to spend hundreds of millions to convert gas to electricity which will simply increase Australia’s emissions. But it will reduce Canberra’s emissions so that is all that matters.

These politicians are just an absolute menace.
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September 18, 2019 8:48am
- Jack5
  
  Hydro power in Canberra? According to the source below only a small amount comes from hydro power, on the main water-supply pipeline.
  
  Regardless, you are right about the dangers from Greens’ power fanaticism. The 2016 blackouts in wind-power-mad South Australia showed the flaw in their energy strategy. The blackouts were caused by storm damage to wind farms.
  
  There’s a lesson here for NZ after the state vandalism of Jacinderella in blocking new oil and gas exploration. A vigorous storm season in ten years time could fill our home garages with stranded electric cars, either because there’s no juice or because what power there is will be the price of gold.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_in_the_Australian_Capital_Territory
  
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  September 18, 2019 10:31am
- Classic Liberal
  
  One of many issues: no serious cook will be happy with this. Electric stoves just don’t cook with the same precision :(.
  
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  September 18, 2019 1:18pm
  - srylands
    
    These new electric induction stove tops are pretty close to gas. I tested one last week. Pretty impressive.
    
    Anyway governments should just STFU and let folk decide their own cooking power sources. And their preferred motor vehicles. The last two years all this has ramped up. And yet the only MP who consistently speaks out, David Seymour, struggles to get one in 100 folk supporting him.
    
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    September 18, 2019 9:36pm
Happychappy

This just shows you Simon Bridge’s and Paula Bennett’s persistence on Jacinda and Labour over the sexual assaults are hurting big time. So now the media have to return to the Jamie Lee Ross affair and question Simon again on the way he handled it.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/09/simon-bridges-says-he-did-everything-right-during-jami-lee-ross-scandal.html
This will be Winston now in charge demanding the media look back on National and the way they handled the revelation.
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September 18, 2019 8:49am
- tranquil
  
  I’m really glad that Labour aren’t surgeons.
  
  In the midst of an operation (with you half-dead) they’d push you onto the floor and run off to cover their own arses.
  
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  September 18, 2019 9:16am
- igm
  
  Gutless Little Andy already has media on the case . . . most disgusting regime ever seen in NZ, and bet it will be the last.
  
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  September 18, 2019 9:25am
- Tricati
  
  The fact that both Ardern and Peters have raised the Judith Collins and Oravida issue as a deflection gives the National Party a great opportunity.
  It was Robertson that lead the charge on that issue, resulting in Key demoting Collins and instigated a ‘proper’ enquiry. Collins was exonerated, but there was no apology from Robertson over his false assertions.
  National should be demanding the same level of enquiry into Robertson, and his knowledge of the sex scandal; using the Oravida issue as precedence – Good for the goose, so good for the gander.
  By Ardern and Peters being smart-arses, they have given National a great opportunity to get at Robertson.
  
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  September 18, 2019 9:57am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  So the media see nothing different between legal behaviour (informed adults indulging in consensual sex) and illegal sexual abuse/ harassment.
  
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  September 18, 2019 10:23am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Some of the descriptions by the women JLR had affairs with do sound extreme. Consentual affairs to start with, but then described by one as “brutal and misogynistic sex”. To what extent this could be punishable as sexual abuse would require a Police enquiry. JLR was found to be mentally sick, which might have made a sexual abuse conviction even more difficult.
    
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2018/10/jami-lee-ross-four-women-s-shocking-claims.html
    
    The Labour staffer who digitally raped the young ‘Sarah’ had (according to her) absolutely no affair with her or reason to touch her at all.
    
    The question for voters is how National and now Labour *deal with* the complaints.
    
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    September 18, 2019 1:45pm
harvey wilson

What is it with the left and victim blaming? This sort of thing is infesting twitter

https://twitter.com/JennyWi18628806/status/1173017439166029824?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1173017439166029824&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.forum.thesilverfern.com%2Ftopic%2F726%2Fnz-politics%2F6539
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September 18, 2019 8:57am
Ruawai

So which is it Winston?? Did Paula send the flowers to the hospital or your home? It can’t be both. And surely it is the thought that counts not how big the bunch of flowers are.

Winston Peters in Newshub article “What she had done was get a handful of daffodils, put a ribbon around them, send them to the wrong place – namely my home when I was in hospital – and tell two of her female media mates,” he said. At the time, Peters said he gave the flowers away to an elderly patient who had no idea where they came from.
Winston on twitter: “Paula Bennett sent me flowers in hospital. Seriously bad taste. Also, they looked like she just picked them from a local park! Gave them away to an elderly patient.”

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/09/cheap-and-nasty-winston-peters-gives-more-details-about-hospital-flowers-from-paula-bennett.html
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September 18, 2019 9:07am
- Tricati
  
  The fact that Peters is getting into this type of trivial crap clearly shows he is not in control of the argument.
  No amount of deflection is going to take the heat of his mate in the Labour Party investigation Panel; and he can bluster all he wants – This time the media are not buying it and he is pissed.
  
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  September 18, 2019 10:02am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Isn’t Peters cantankerous?
  He’s past his “use by date” and it shows.
  Senility or booze or just badly aging?
  
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  September 18, 2019 5:50pm
Maggie Pie

Got chatting with one of the resident Psychologists last night. She was saying although Mike Hosking would probably never admit it, while finding the PM somewhat frustrating to deal with, there is no doubt that in a strange sort of way, he may also find himself sexually attracted to her. She refuses to be intimidated by his bullying tactics, and is able deflect his hard-line questioning by remaining cool, calm and collected, despite the obvious onslaught – something that appears to really get under his skin.
Hmmm….
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September 18, 2019 9:09am
- kevn
  
  @Maggie… Yep, JA has a good thick skin.
  We do get the condescending tone from JA. Not so much answers. Best she can muster.
  Makes for great radio.. umm, ahhh.
  
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  September 18, 2019 9:50am
  - Tricati
    
    Not sure she is thick skinned, maybe just thick,and doesn’t understand the questions.
    
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    September 18, 2019 5:20pm
- alloytoo
  
  ummmm ahhhhhhhhh errrrrr
  
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  September 18, 2019 9:58am
- sooty
  
  He just wants to put some sense in to her!
  
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  September 18, 2019 10:10am
- rightoverlabour
  
  Maggie, Maggie, Maggie. I know that as a Catholic you carry enormous Catholic Guilt ( I am one too), but, to even write what you have just written seriously questions your character and that of the associates you engage with. I am truly shocked, and disappointed….. and I have no doubt that Hoskin has engaged a QC right now ( if he can find one since all of them seem to be busy getting whitewash for the Labor Rape Scandal)
  
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  September 18, 2019 10:43am
- Fletch
  
  I find Jacinda sexually repulsive. Somehow I don’t see how Hosking could find anything to attract.
  
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  September 18, 2019 11:28am
- Classic Liberal
  
  A ‘resident Psychologist’ who happens to vote Labour?
  
  The JA interviews that really ask hard questions don’t sound like she’s in control of her thinking or answers at all!
  
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  September 18, 2019 1:51pm
cmm

A few days ago we had a discussion on the potential use of corn for biofuel for aircraft and how much that would impact on food supply.

I did the calculation again.

If the people on a long haul flight ate the corn instead of flying, they could survive for 20 years. Ok, admittedly nobody would want to eat just corn for 20 years, but you get the idea.

A single return flight could feed the whole of NZ for a day.

The biofuels required to fly all the people to a climate change conference could feed Southern Africa for three days.

Of course generating the levels of corn production to sustain biofuels can never be achieved by traditional or organic methods. Greenies gotta choose: intensive factory farming with fertilizers or using conventional hydrocarbon fuels.
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September 18, 2019 9:10am
- srylands
  
  Planes will be flying on Jet A1 for at least 50 years.
  
  I’ve said it before but green advocates, and most politicians, have a poor understanding of science. Hence pledges like 100 percent renewable which any New Zealand electricity engineer could have told them that it would be ruinous if taken literally.
  
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  September 18, 2019 9:24am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Short haul flights (<3 hours) are more than half of all passenger km flow. They could conceivably go electric or hybrid with battery improvements over next 50 years. Medium and long haul should go to methane or hydrogen.
    
    Hydrogen in particular is great for really big Mach2-2.5 supersonic aircraft. Anywhere on earth in less than 8 hours at same cost as conventional aircraft once nuclear or PV power gets down to about $0.03-.04/kWh (already there in sunny countries)
    
    Investing in that development would be hugely beneficial to NZ's future through boosted tourism.
    
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    September 18, 2019 10:58am
    - srylands
      
      “Medium and long haul should go to methane or hydrogen.”
      
      Can you cite any evidence for such a claim?
      
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      September 18, 2019 9:45pm
- srylands
  
  In my experience they don’t like being presented with those choices. They become hostile.
  
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  September 18, 2019 9:25am
- The King
  
  Just eat the bugs and cannibalize.. bigot.
  
  http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0919/carlson091319.php3
  
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  September 18, 2019 9:28am
- cmm
  
  Of course we could do other things with the corn:
  1) Feed chooks and pigs, giving a lifetime of meat.
  2) Make booze and keep three generations pissed.
  
  One return flight to a climate change conference == eating feedlot raised meat for your lifetime.
  
  Choices, choices…
  
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  September 18, 2019 10:08am
  - stephieboy
    
    cmm, are you suggesting that journeys to climate change conferences be undertaken by sail power like on the visiting replica Endeavour?
    
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    September 18, 2019 11:01am
    - cmm
      
      What’s wrong with Skype?
      
      There is no need to attend climate change conferences. The science is settled anyway since 2009, so there’s nothing to learn.
      
      btw: Glad to see you’re on the mend from your week of migraines. It must have been very hard for you.
      
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      September 18, 2019 3:15pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  cmm, there is another option that I think Greenies prefer: no flights for most people. And not just travel for rich people either, because Greens are Red as well as Green. So the only people they think should be entitled to much travel would be: Left/Green politicians and staff.
  
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  September 18, 2019 1:56pm
kowtow

Child poverdy a priority.Yeah right.

Well then get the education standards up.

They dumbed down the cirriculum and cooked the books and yet ………

‘More than 7000 teenagers left school with no qualification last year after NCEA attainment rates among school-leavers fell for the first time.’

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/398978/ncea-attainment-rates-fall-maori-schools-buck-trend
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September 18, 2019 9:20am
- cmm
  
  But more hugz than previous years, so Wellbeing is surely up? Nope?
  
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  September 18, 2019 10:11am
All_on_Red

‘Saudi Energy Minister Prince Abdulaziz bin Salman and other Saudi energy officials held a news conference Sept. 17 to discuss the Saudi Arabian Oil Co. facilities damaged in Sept. 14 attacks. Prince Abdulaziz said that his country planned to restore all of the production taken offline by the attack by the end of September, and that 50 percent of lost production had already been restored. Saudi Aramco CEO Amin Nasser said that the crucial Abqaiq facility was now processing 2 million barrels per day (bpd) compared with 4.9 million bpd before the attack. Prince Abdulaziz added that Saudi Arabia planned to increase its national production capacity to 11 million bpd by the end of September and to 12 million bpd by the end of November. He noted that in the meantime, Saudi Arabia would withdraw oil from storage to meet export obligations — and that who carried out the attacks remains unknown.’
Worldview.stratfor.com
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September 18, 2019 9:35am
- Lance
  
  Iran has said publicly, they didn’t do it and just like our Princess, they cannot tell a lie.
  
  /sarc/
  
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  September 18, 2019 10:00am
  - stephieboy
    
    Lance, from all on Red’s post,
    
    “..He noted that in the meantime, Saudi Arabia would withdraw oil from storage to meet export obligations — and that who carried out the attacks remains unknown.’
    
    And our Princess has not known and more importantly proven to lie!
    
    ( re so-called sex scandal )
    
    Next question?
    
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    September 18, 2019 10:57am
    - chaos
      
      Might be you princess, not mine, and thankfully people are putting up videos now showing her lying
      
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      September 18, 2019 11:57am
  - The King
    
    Remember when Israel painted their planes to look like Egyptian planes and attacked the USS Liberty killing 30+ sailors?
    
    Yeah they totally would never do something like that again.
    
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    September 18, 2019 11:01am
    - Jack5
      
      Your Majesty, The King: What’s your source for the Israeli planes being painted to look Egyptian?
      
      It would have been pretty obvious the Mirage jets and the torpedo boats were Israeli.
      
      But this is interesting:
      
      Dean Rusk, U.S. Secretary of State at the time of the incident, wrote:
      
      I was never satisfied with the Israeli explanation. Their sustained attack to disable and sink Liberty precluded an assault by accident or some trigger-happy local commander. Through diplomatic channels we refused to accept their explanations. I didn’t believe them then, and I don’t believe them to this day. The attack was outrageous.
      
      Still, friendly fire happens in all sorts of conflicts, as in Vietnam. I can’t tell from the report (second link below) whether New Zealanders twice shelled the Aussies in Vietnam, or whether it is mistaken and the friendly shelling occurred just once.
      
      Here’s the report:
      
      20 July 1970, patrol units of ‘D’ Company 8th Battalion, 1st Australian Task Force outside the wire at Nui Dat called in a New Zealand battery fire mission as part of a training exercise. However, there was confusion at the gun position about the fire corrections issued by the inexperienced Australian officer with the patrol. The result was two rounds fell upon the patrol, killing two and wounding several others.
      
      24 July 1970, New Zealand artillery guns accidentally shelled an Australian platoon, 1 Australian Reinforcement Unit, (1 ARU), killing two and wounding another four soldiers.
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident
      
      The Vietnam shelling:
      
      https://cherrieswriter.com/2018/04/10/friendly-fire-during-the-vietnam-war/
      
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      September 18, 2019 1:46pm
- marcw
  
  Overnight in the US oil prices have dropped by 6.5% from the previous day. What a shame our petrol retailers’ little get rich scheme will now have to be reversed, and the 6cpl added Tuesday will now be dropped … oh, wait!
  
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  September 18, 2019 10:20am
- MCos
  
  ‘Tis but a scratch
  https://youtu.be/gXY9TuuwyL8
  
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  September 18, 2019 10:23am
Ruawai

Why was it ok for Mallard to call Hipkins a ‘Naughty little Boy” yesterday in question time but not ok for the opposition to call Ardern a “Silly little girl”?
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September 18, 2019 9:36am
- stigie
  
  Yes, and we all ‘heard’ Mallard call Hipkins a “naughty little boy”. //
  
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  September 18, 2019 10:00am
- alloytoo
  
  Well according to Hansard nobody called the PM a Silly Little Girl until Mallard imagined hearing it with his deaf ear.
  
  but if the shoe fits.
  
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  September 18, 2019 10:00am
- Raphael
  
  Because Mallard hates Hipkins and likes our Glorious Leader
  
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  September 18, 2019 10:08am
- chaos
  
  from Hansard
  
  SPEAKER: Order! Order! Can I just ask the Minister of Finance and the Leader of the Opposition to stop their side—[Interruption] Oh, I apologise. Well, that actually makes it worse, the fact that it is the Leader of the House that’s doing that. I’m very tempted to pick up a recent comment from the Mother of Parliaments, from John Bercow there, and apply it to that member—[Interruption] The member wants to know what it was? “Be a good little boy.”
  
  https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/combined/HansDeb_20190917_20190917_08
  
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  September 18, 2019 11:47am
  - chaos
    
    And the video it is at 4 minutes in
    
    https://vimeo.com/360430105
    
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    September 18, 2019 11:53am
Maggie Pie

‘Google Street View’ – such an amazing tool…

https://twitter.com/newscomauHQ/status/1174070521903878144
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September 18, 2019 9:39am
- chaos
  
  Google knows everything
  
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  September 18, 2019 11:55am
kevn

@Ruawai… One must be a class favourite?
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September 18, 2019 9:51am
JibberJabber

Gender pay gap explained…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NJhe-q3NzE
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September 18, 2019 9:55am
Jack5

Reactions to Boris Johnson’s humiliation by the Prime Minister of Luxembourg, Xavier Bettel:

United States Ambassador to UK, Woody Johnson: Reminds the British ‘why they don’t want to be in Europe’.

The Telegraph reports the US Ambassador saying about a pre-referendum claim by Barack Obama that the US would not prioritise a trade deal with the UK: “It’s not back of the queue days any more, sorry.

Norbert Röttgen, an ally of Angela Merkel, the German chancellor, and chairman of the German foreign affairs committee, on Twitter: “Xavier Bettel’s speech yesterday did not serve the European cause. His public venting ignored that a deal is still in everyone’s interest. Even without a deal there will be a post-Brexit life, which means that right now everyone needs to behave in a way that avoids animosity.”

At a meeting in Paris, the French President, Emmanuel Macron, gave a warm welcome to Bettel, with mutual pats, laughs, and hugs caught by photographers.
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September 18, 2019 10:17am
secondcumming

There’s a message here for our own Politicians and any possible CCP donors in this country as well……

https://www.smh.com.au/national/huang-xiangmo-s-assets-frozen-as-tax-office-pursues-him-for-140-million-20190916-p52rub.html
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September 18, 2019 10:27am
Fletch

It seems Labour has reversed National’s restriction on low-paid migrants bringing their families to New Zealand. Just great. Where are we going to house them all?

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/09/national-s-restriction-on-low-paid-migrants-bringing-their-families-to-new-zealand-reversed.html
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September 18, 2019 10:34am
- kevn
  
  @Fletch… A cunning ‘hiding hyphen’ plan. A nice warm fuzzy idea but… the devil is in the details.
  Oops.
  
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  September 18, 2019 10:55am
- The King
  
  Sometimes voters replace the politicians
  
  Sometimes politicians replace the voters
  
  Has nothing to do with housing or jobs at all.
  
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  September 18, 2019 11:05am
- Jack5
  
  Judas Peters gives the fingers to his voters again.
  
  Otherwise, he wouldn’t have allowed this to happen.
  
  And it isn’t just the housing where we are in trouble. It’s the health services, and education, and local facilities.
  
  Our politicians have sold the country out.
  
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  September 18, 2019 1:23pm
  - Jack5
    
    On Kathryn Ryan’s Nine to Noon programme at Red Radio today, Tim Mackle, chief executive of Dairy NZ, on the migrant worker changes:
    
    “I hope that what this does it allows a whole new wave of migrant workers to progress in our sector and settle …”
    
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    September 18, 2019 5:31pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  How to increase rental accommodation pressures.
  Sack these incompetents before they sink NZ.
  ☑️☑️
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  September 18, 2019 5:40pm
Maggie Pie

Maybe its just me?

https://jewishjournal.com/j-meter/101708/camil-fuchs/
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September 18, 2019 10:39am
kevn

Haka for mongrel mob funeral, haka for All Black games. Is it the go-to for everything?
Is there something I am missing here?
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September 18, 2019 10:43am
- The King
  
  It’s the only part of Maori culture that doesn’t involving hurting someone, which was the reason for the funeral in the first place.
  
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  September 18, 2019 10:58am
  - GoVege
    
    More nonsense from various iwi about why they won’t allow visits from replica of the Endeavour for 250th anniversary of Captain Cook’s first visit to NZ.
    Apparently Cook’s crew committed “murders, rapes” and other “atrocities”.
    Nothing about the mass murders, slavery and cannibalism that Cook’s visit thankfully eventually put an end to.
    Attitude of gratitude definitely needed…. 🙂
    
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    September 18, 2019 12:03pm
    - MCos
      
      So how come the Māori population went into sharp decline until the end of the nineteenth century at which time it was thought they might die out completely?
      https://teara.govt.nz/en/taupori-maori-maori-population-change/page-1
      
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      September 18, 2019 4:23pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Remember the Boyd.
      
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      September 18, 2019 5:38pm
      - GoVege
        
        Your source seems somewhat biased, Mcos.
        For instance, it claims that the intertribal musket wars only caused an average of 700 deaths in total per year during that period.
        Just one pa alone could have housed a thousand men, women and children, and definitely more than one a year was wiped out.
        It claims the muskets were “notoriously unreliable”.
        What absolute balderdash….unreliable or not, they were infinitely more lethal than spears or axes.
        The musket wars were not so much “intertribal” as the northern tribes making use of advanced technology to go on campaigns of mass murder against other tribes who had no chance against them.
        By 1840 many tribes had not only been dispossessed of their land…by other Maori…but murdered or enslaved also.
        It also says that infant mortality was much higher among young females in the nineteenth century.
        It still is in male-dominated cultures where males get to eat first.
        Perhaps the coming of the Pakeha helped restore the balance.
        
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        September 18, 2019 9:58pm
srylands

This is good news. If Australia wants to escape coal, the solution is nuclear. Of course if they go down the nuclear route the finger wagging lectures on evil coal will be replaced by finger wagging lectures on evil nuclear.

https://www.aph.gov.au/nuclearpower
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September 18, 2019 10:48am
Hugh Pavletich

NEW ZEALAND – HAMILTON HOUSING … What genuine steps is the Hamilton City Council taking to restore housing affordability over a reasonable and realistic timeframe ? …

New report warns of looming house price shock in Hamilton … Gerald Pidgeon … Stuff NZ

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/115826754/report-warns-hamiltons-housing-affordability-could-outstrip-aucklands-in-10-years

Hamilton could be facing a triple crisis in the next 10 years around housing affordability, massive rates increases and high council debt.

This is because of flaws in how the Hamilton City Council calculates its growth and demand for housing, according to a new report by Auckland-based economic analysis company Urban Economics.

The report was commissioned by Hamilton property consultant Colin Jones who was concerned with HCC’s projections around housing demand and affordability within the city. … read more via hyperlink above …
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2019 15th Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey

http://www.demographia.com/dhi.pdf
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… Urban Development Minister Phil Twyford made it clear late March …

New Zealaned (then Housing) Urban Development Minister Phil Twyfords speech to the New Zealand Initiative Members Retreat … New Zealand Government / Beehive

https://www.beehive.govt.nz/speech/speech-nz-initiative-members%E2%80%99-retreat

… extract …

… In our view there are three big challenges that have to be addressed:

1. A broken system for financing infrastructure

2. A planning system based on urban containment

3. The failure of governments until now, both local and central, to actively work with the private sector to enable urban growth and expansion. … read more via hyperlink above …
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September 18, 2019 10:48am
- Random T Person
  
  Serious question, Hugh. What exactly do you hope to achieve with these lengthy, boring, repetitive posts?
  
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  September 18, 2019 11:36am
  - Swifty
    
    To satisfy his pathological need to:
    
    1. drive traffic to his own site
    
    2. attract attention to himself
    
    His own site has next to no visitors so he piggybacks on/hijacks DPF’s popularity to achieve his ends.
    
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    September 18, 2019 12:03pm
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      Don’t forget guys that it was housing failure that deservedly put us Tories on the Opposition benches late 2017 … GONE GONE GOING – Performance Urban Planning …
      
      http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/National%20News.html
      
      … something I predicted a year earlier mid 2016 … remember ? …
      
      Housing campaigner predicts spiralling house prices will be Key’s ‘Waterloo’ … Rob Stock … Stuff NZ
      
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/83627043/housing-campaigner-predicts-spiralling-house-prices-will-be-keys-waterloo
      
      John Key mutinied within months.
      
      He could see the writing on the wall.
      
      John gave Bill English the hospital pass to wear the inevitable election loss a year later.
      
      The sad reality is that the National Party will stay on the Opposition until it restores its housing credibility.
      
      Isn’t it well past time you guys stopped whining and woke up ?
      
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      September 18, 2019 12:30pm
      - Happychappy
        
        These posts are from 2016 and been posted several times over the last three years, Hugh having his mood swing on John Key another of his pet hates.
        
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        September 18, 2019 1:36pm
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        How sad it is for a narcissist to realise that nobody loves him.
        
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        September 18, 2019 1:58pm
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        I am not so polite Hugh, fuck off
        
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        September 18, 2019 2:20pm
      - Swifty
        
        Notice that in his delusion Hugh conflates us mocking him personally with government policies on land and housing.
        
        No Hugh, just so that you’re clear, we’re mocking you personally.
        
        And it is so richly deserved.
        
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        September 18, 2019 2:29pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Don’t you follow stats? The housing crisis was no govt’s fault. Negative migration went to zero then 45,000+. That was about a year before the election. The following it was 70,000+ ! NZ had got successful under the Key govt and Kiwis began to return, in very large numbers.
        
        Any govt would have had a problem and it was not foreseeable as there had been net outflows for a host of years prior.
        
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        September 18, 2019 5:34pm
    - sooty
      
      Link whoring demograhia is hughie by another name.
      
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      September 18, 2019 12:42pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Kevin O’Brien … All the reputable research nationally and internationally is clear that ‘regulatory supply constraints’ are THE major prob.
        
        It was very interesting to read this out of the United States recently …
        
        4 out of 5 Americans say there is a housing affordability crisis (NAHB Survey) … Mortgage Professionals of America Magazine
        
        https://www.mpamag.com/market-update/4-out-of-5-americans-say-there-is-a-housing-affordability-crisis-177571.aspx
        
        Housing affordability is at crisis level according to a new survey from the National Association of Home Builders.
        
        The poll of almost 20,000 people across the country last month also shows that 78% said it was a problem in their state, 76% said it was a countywide problem, and 75% said it was a problem in their city.
        
        “Housing affordability is near a 10-year low and this poll confirms the challenges hard-working families face to keep housing within reach as rising costs continue to outpace wage growth,” said Greg Ugalde, NAHB chairman. “Policymakers must roll back inefficient zoning rules, costly impact fees and outmoded land development regulations that are driving up housing costs, contributing to the mounting lack of affordable housing and hurting middle- and low-income households.” … read more via hyperlink above …
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        New Zealand is in extremely serious trouble with its housing about 6.5 times household earnings … bu far the worst in the Anglosphere.
        
        Talk about spooky !
        
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        September 19, 2019 2:16am
    - Swifty
      
      See what I mean?
      
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      September 18, 2019 1:34pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Any comments on the topic … Hamilton housing ?
        
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        September 18, 2019 4:41pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        [Mod – Hugh, you have been warned before about posting repetitive links. Please desist]
        
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        September 18, 2019 6:45pm
      - Swifty
        
        Yeah I have a comment.
        
        You are beneath contempt the way you act here.
        
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        September 18, 2019 7:15pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Mod … Noted. Thank you.
        
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        September 18, 2019 8:15pm
      - Swifty
        
        [Mod – Hugh, you have been warned before about posting repetitive links. Please desist]
        
        You just can’t control your impulses can you Hugh?
        
        Seek professional help.
        
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        September 18, 2019 8:25pm
      - srylands
        
        I am v interested in housing policy.. But I refuse to read anything you post. Because you behave like a dick. You have had this feedback forever. Yet you double down. You deserve all the criticism you attract.
        
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        September 18, 2019 9:50pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  If Twyford knew anything about what he was speaking on he would have been able to offer solutions not airy breaths.
  
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  September 18, 2019 5:36pm
Happychappy

Another problem on the way for Jacinda, the Maori King Kingi Tuheitia,says the Mana Whenua have reached a final consensus- they want Ihumatoa Land Back.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12268724
So this will be interesting as to who pays for it , has Jacinda already promised tax payers money.
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September 18, 2019 1:04pm
- stephieboy
  
  Happychappy, it will likely be along these lines,
  
  1 July 1988. The government announced that it had agreed to the Waitangi Tribunal’s recommendation that Takaparawhā (Bastion Point) on the southern shore of Auckland’s Waitematā Harbour be returned to local iwi Ngāti Whātua.Jul 1, 1988
  Bastion Point land returned | NZHistory, New Zealand history online
  
  https://nzhistory.govt.nz › the-government-announces-return-of-bastion-poi…
  
  Now move on and leave your moral fright and panic trailing behind you.
  
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  September 18, 2019 1:18pm
  - Happychappy
    
    Don’t smart mouth you dork it is taxpayers money and could end up costing us billions through one woman’s stupidity.
    
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    September 18, 2019 2:11pm
    - stephieboy
      
      ” costing us billions”
      
      ???
      
      Who’s “us”?
      
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      September 18, 2019 3:41pm
      - Tony Stuart
        
        The taxpayers of New Zealand stephie. Whether or not you are included in that number will be known only to you and the IRD.
        
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        September 18, 2019 7:42pm
      - John Warren
        
        Taxpayers, fuckwit.
        
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        September 18, 2019 7:57pm
  - Swifty
    
    What moral panic?
    
    Happychappy just raised an entirely legitimate question of from where will funds come? Happychappy didn’t express their views one way or the other.
    
    Why are you such a dick all the time?
    
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    September 18, 2019 2:16pm
  - fernglas
    
    Wasn’t Bastion Point public rather than privately owned land? Big difference
    
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    September 18, 2019 2:20pm
    - Swifty
      
      Stiffy is above those pesky things like facts.
      
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      September 18, 2019 2:48pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Yes, it was land that had been compulsorily acquired by the Government under the Public Works Act and later gifted to the Auckland City Council… NOT returned to the original owners – Ngati Whatua.
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bastion_Point
      
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      September 18, 2019 3:05pm
  - chaos
    
    Considering you have no morals goat boy I wouldn’t use that word if i was you
    
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    September 18, 2019 2:54pm
- artemisia
  
  I’m amazed. Who would have guessed it.
  
  (And I am an owner of Maori land by succession.)
  
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  September 18, 2019 1:35pm
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Do you find it to be of any benefit to you? Or so legally tied up by the tribe that you barely see a cent? I have friends in the latter situation.
    
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    September 18, 2019 2:08pm
    - artemisia
      
      It is leased, has been for a long time. I get rent each year but not much. It’s the nature of succession,
      of course, ownership expands exponentially over the generations. Especially with large families, and there have been quite a few.
      
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      September 18, 2019 3:51pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Not only that, it will be interesting to watch Maori all over the country wanting the Govt. to buy back privately owned land and hand it over to them.
  Or they could do a Mugabe and just march on, kicking the occupants off at gunpoint.
  
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  September 18, 2019 2:00pm
  - Classic Liberal
    
    So what percentage Maori would someone have to be to get a share? And does someone with 1 Maori grandparent get less than someone with a higher percentage? I really wonder.
    
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    September 18, 2019 2:11pm
  - MCos
    
    An unfortunate choice of words.
    Didn’t the crown just march in and kick the original owners of Ihumātao off their land at gunpoint in 1863?
    
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    September 18, 2019 3:46pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      And the Iwi got a ToW settlement as compensation for the wrongs committed against them.
      
      Up till now TOW settlements do not entail the gifting of land now held in Private hands.
      
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      September 18, 2019 5:04pm
      - Martin Williams
        
        Time for that to change!
        
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        September 18, 2019 5:27pm
      - John Warren
        
        Until it’s your house, Martin.
        
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        September 18, 2019 7:58pm
- septic skeptic
  
  Plenty of votes available for a party advocating for equal rights for all. NOTE Winston need not apply. We have been there and done that, we know he is a hypocrite.
  
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  September 18, 2019 2:04pm
- artemisia
  
  Fletchers have in the past indicated they would sell the land. Probably be glad to be shot of it. Mana whenua could crowd fund to buy it, then own its development. Or non-development. Their choice.
  
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  September 18, 2019 2:14pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Maori shouldn’t be allowed within 100km of that land. Fletchers own it–why should they be bullied.
  
  If this takeover is allowed to happen no titles will be safe. The title is in the registered document not Ardern’s mouth parts.
  
  History is not justification for ruining the present.
  
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  September 18, 2019 5:27pm
Swifty

As is much coming from the left these days, if the art forger labels something ‘appalling’ then you know it’s more likely right on the money:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12268755
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September 18, 2019 1:51pm
- Gravelroad
  
  Who the heck (apart from communists) would want Martin Bradbury to chair an Auckland mayoral election debate??
  Also what has Helen Clark got to do with it?
  Was she there? Did she hear for herself the comment and the context in which it was made?
  This is worrying that Ms Clark seems increasingly the “go to” rescue person for Labour and the media.
  Perhaps there is a party list place coming vacant and she will be back to take full charge of the Labour Party. Or its new president maybe.
  
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  September 18, 2019 2:45pm
  - Souvlaki
    
    Yep, Labour doing all it can to ensure Tamihere gets the bums rush & Goff gets back in . Goff IS a dictator & not a benevolent one at that.
    
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    September 18, 2019 3:57pm
  - MCos
    
    The whole exchange can be found on the internet.
    Helen Clark is an Auckland resident and no doubt is taking an interest in who is standing for mayor.
    It’s a pretty mediocre lineup of challengers to Goff if JT leads the charge.
    
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    September 18, 2019 4:07pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Now remind me..
  is John Tamihere an Alt-right, White Supremacist?
  
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  September 18, 2019 3:09pm
  - stephieboy
    
    MW, whose saying that?
    
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    September 18, 2019 3:38pm
    - softail 1450
      
      Septicboy, you need a humor transplant Septic ,less time in the barn might cheer you up you melancholic muppet….
      
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      September 18, 2019 5:38pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Jeez stephieboy,
      
      are you so culturally unaware?
      http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/4569319/Sieg-heil-a-way-of-saying-hi-to-the-bros
      
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      September 18, 2019 5:43pm
tranquil

Hi all –

Just having an interesting time this afternoon looking through the latest “Ratepayers Report” produced by the Taxpayers’ Union and the Auckland Ratepayers Alliance.
It’s always an **excellent** read every year –

http://www.ratepayersreport.nz/?utm_campaign=190918_tu_rpr2019&utm_medium=email&utm_source=taxpayers

A few quotes from the email I received on it –
Quote –
Auckland Council now ranks highest for average residential rates at $3,387. It is no wonder: 2,473 staff at Auckland Council and its CCOs are paid salaries greater than $100,000.

The lowest average residential rates in New Zealand are the Southland District ($1,737).

The least efficient council in terms of staffing is Westland District Council, with a staff member for every 19 households. The most efficient is Tararua District Council, with a staff member for every 117 households.

Only five councils meet the full criteria for prudent Audit and Risk Committees. Two Councils, Palmerston North City Council and Waimakariri District Council, fail to meet any of the recommended oversight policies. Western Bay of Plenty fails to even have a separate Audit and Risk Committee, which is considered basic financial prudence.”
– end quote
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September 18, 2019 2:01pm
secondcumming

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION

With the *dud check* having just been denied parole….does this mean it will now become National’s problem next year? 😎
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September 18, 2019 3:35pm
Souvlaki

Go Paula !
This aint going away Jacinda
Speech 2 today:
https://www.parliament.nz/en/watch-parliament/ondemand?itemId=208906
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September 18, 2019 3:41pm
- stigie
  
  Did i hear Winston in his speech coming down on Chris Bishop about the tweets to that school girl and trying to tell him he’s scum..?
  What a nasty vile POS Peters is !~
  
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  September 18, 2019 4:01pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Yep..
    https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/combined/HansDeb_20190918_20190918_08/tab/video?page=3&mode=form
    
    and Peters is hard at work undermining the PM’s effort to put the sex assault matters right.
    
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/399059/ardern-acknowledges-risk-to-nz-s-reputation-from-sex-assault-scandal
    
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    September 18, 2019 5:33pm
    - Happychappy
      
      His obsession with Paula Bennett will bring him down and Simon with Chris Bishop who he made derogatory comments about today will have there day very soon. Peter’s like Jacinda is a compulsive liar and his dealings with the Vella helicopter saga ,Owen Glen donation and many others is proof of that, so his snapchat comment on Chris Bishop with the Chinese TV remarks on
      Simon Bridges could cause him plenty of grief also. Peter’s is a vile, vindictive arsehole that is consumed with hate on Paula Bennett as he hasn’t got the brains to prove his Pension detail were leaked by her so can’t win his court case so is vent in bringing utu against her.
      
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      September 18, 2019 6:58pm
Jack5

An appeal by New Zealand blackmailer Glenn Green, who has about 200 convictions, included seeking relief from a sentence condition prohibiting Green from entering any internet cafe, public library or place of similar business where he could gain access to internet-capable devices.

Dismissing Green’s appeal, Justice Graham Lang said the blackmailer “presents as a real risk of future offending through use of the internet”.

Green told the Judge he was seeking a position as a mechanic in a garage or car repair business. The Judge commented:

“I consider, for what it is worth, that the probation service should permit Mr Green to apply for such positions without being required to disclose his previous convictions so long as it can be sure the job will not permit him to have access to any internet-capable device.”

That might be hard. What small business doesn’t have a computer? And now car problems are diagnosed by computer programs.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12229350
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September 18, 2019 5:48pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Described as NZ’s most dangerous stalker.
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/115891942/nzs-most-dangerous-stalker-tried-to-blackmail-wealthy-us-businessman
  
  Nasty behaviour…stalking…
  so easy to do over the internet, I’ve noticed.
  
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  September 18, 2019 6:10pm
  - chaos
    
    You mean there is a stalker worse than Stephie? Is that even possible?
    
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    September 18, 2019 6:20pm
  - alex Masterley
    
    Agreed on the description of this bloke.
    In a previous life I acted for people who had the misfortune to be associated with this fellow.
    It was not a pleasant experience for them.
    
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    September 18, 2019 6:28pm
John Warren

Winston on the news tonight looked old, grey and tired. He’s clearly lost weight, and his voice was a little hoarse, without its usual ringing tones.

Old rrugby injury my arse.
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September 18, 2019 6:37pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Comment on YSB
  
  Stewart Nash let slip this morning that Peters is recovering from major surgery and had an infection.
  
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  September 18, 2019 9:08pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    He does seem to have some serious respiratory issues
    Maybe he had something done to do with that.
    One of my friends fathers died from Emphysema.
    Just horrible
    I’d do anything to avoid that.
    
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    September 18, 2019 10:01pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Likely he’s had to give up the whisky. Can’t help but smile at the thought that the day when we will finally see the back of this rancid turd of a man may be closer than we think.
  
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  September 18, 2019 9:30pm
Hugh Pavletich

Only 38% Of Americans Believe Humans Mainly Responsible For Climate Change … Zerohedge

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/only-38-americans-believe-humans-mainly-responsible-climate-change

Are Humans Mainly Responsible for Climate Change? … Statista

https://www.statista.com/chart/19380/yougov-survey-humans-responsible-for-climate-change/

By now, most people have accepted that climate change is real, and that it is happening. What we can’t all agree on though, is what the main cause is. As Statista’s Martin Armstrong notes, close to an absolute majority of the world’s scientists are adamant that we as humans are the main factor behind the speed and extent to which our climate is changing.

When though, like YouGov, you ask the people what they think, the picture becomes a bit cloudier. … read more via hyperlinks above
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September 18, 2019 7:24pm
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  … In contrast … note the intelligent discussion of this important issue on this Australian thread ! …
  
  https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/09/macro-afternoon-735/#comment-3491875
  
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  September 19, 2019 2:00am
Wired-one

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/115893844/winston-peters-says-new-zealand-gdp-growth-will-be-down

Loving the comments.
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September 18, 2019 7:28pm
- Cobolt24
  
  You wait until all the road works and construction going on throughout the country begins to slow down with little new projects in the pipeline.
  
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  September 18, 2019 8:13pm
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    Cobolt24 … Not only roading construction … if the feedback I’m getting from the broader construction sector is any indication.
    
    There appears to be an accelerating economic contraction underway now.
    
    There are just so many negatives … mainly within New Zealand, where our costs across the board have just gotten out of control. Mainly thanks to inept political governance / management.
    
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    September 19, 2019 8:01am
- chaos
  
  I love that Cindy the other day was listing the gdp under national and that it was better under them. Let’s see the country had the gfc and a couple of substantial earthquakes that knocked the shit out of the economy and the government kept it going, this govt was giving a country that should of been booming the past few years but this government has managed to screw that up. Like Clark this government will hand over a country that went into the shitter long before the rest of the world did and with programs that aren’t funded. If peters think this country is doing better than the rest you should visit the regions because the bust is coming
  
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  September 18, 2019 8:27pm
Hugh Pavletich

… UNITED STATES …

US housing starts race to 12-year high in August … Reuters / CNBC

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/18/us-housing-starts-total-1point364-million-in-august-vs-1point250-million-expected.html

KEY POINTS

• U.S. homebuilding surged to more than a 12-year high in August.

• Both single- and multi-family housing construction increased, suggesting that lower mortgage rates were finally providing a boost to the struggling housing market.

• Housing starts jumped 12.3% to 1.364 million units last month, the highest level since June 2007, the Commerce Department said. … read more via hyperlink above …
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4 out of 5 Americans say there is a housing affordability crisis (NAHB Survey) … Mortgage Professionals of America Magazine

https://www.mpamag.com/market-update/4-out-of-5-americans-say-there-is-a-housing-affordability-crisis-177571.aspx
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Trump pushing for major crackdown on homeless camps in California, with aides discussing moving residents to government-backed facilities – The Washington Post
… behind paywall …
… via Zerohedge …

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/09/10/trump-pushing-major-crackdown-homeless-camps-california-with-aides-discussing-moving-residents-government-backed-facilities/

… extract …

… A White House spokesman said Trump signed an executive order in June that pertained to affordable housing regulations, and that the administration is continuing to seek new solutions for homelessness. Trump’s executive order created a new White House council on eliminating “regulatory barriers” that White House officials believe increase the cost of building new housing. Developers have said these restrictions drive up prices on housing and limit the supply.

“Like many Americans, the president has taken notice of the homelessness crisis, particularly in cities and states where the liberal policies are combining to dramatically increase poverty and public health risks,” said Judd Deere, a White House spokesman. “President Trump has directed his team to go further and develop a range of policy options for consideration to deal with this tragedy.” … read more via hyperlink above …
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September 19, 2019 2:52am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  … AMERICA’S MASSIVE COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGE …
  
  … GET THE LAND PRICING WRONG … AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS WRONG …
  
  Shenzhen property costs more than HK: report … Asia Times
  
  https://www.asiatimes.com/2019/09/article/shenzhen-property-costs-more-than-hk-report/
  
  The average home price in every American state – and what you get for your money | Marissa Perino | Stuff.co.nz
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/113894360/the-average-home-price-in-every-american-state–and-what-you-get-for-your-money?rm=m
  
  2019 15th Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey
  
  http://www.demographia.com/dhi.pdf
  
  Housing Affordability Ratings … Median Multiples … All Markets
  
  Australia 5.7
  Canada 4.0
  China (Hong Kong) 20.9
  Ireland 3.7
  New Zealand 6.5
  Singapore 4.6
  United Kingdom 4.8
  United States 3.5
  
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  September 19, 2019 2:56am
paul scott

https://arderncorrupt.blogspot.com/2019/09/i-saw-nothing-dam-you.html
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