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KiWombat

At some point this week the tree counter will roll over onto two hundred million trees (200,000,000.) The Government needs to be asked how they are progressing with their tree planting programme – remember these were sold to us as NEW trees, not replacement trees.

The last I heard we had only funded about 24 million trees, but whether these were new or replacement trees, I have no idea. If they were replacement trees, then we should urge Shame Jones to get his nephs very busy, as they will have a frantic year ahead !
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September 16, 2019 8:01am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Forget the trees at the moment, we know they will fudge, obstuficate, lie and just know the aholes will never plant a billion trees.
  
  We have bigger and better feet to hold to the fire, better skin to flail, fatter heads to roll, although in pornboys case, the heads don’t come much fatter . . . .
  
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  September 16, 2019 8:13am
- Yvette
  
  Shane Jones has said – the rate of commercial replanting over the next 10 years would have a “significant impact” on the 1 billion trees total. 
  
  “For example, if the recent 95 per cent replanting rate was maintained over the next decade, this would equate to 770m trees” – Cabinet paper presented last August, by Regional Economic Development Minister Shane Jones. [1] 
  
  This means of course that Shane needs to plant only 230 million trees and he’ll – on his books – count off his 1 billion by planting less than a quarter of that total. 
  
  It does also mean, however, that the non-Jones sector will cut down 95% (as stated above) of their mature trees because that is the reason for them replanting anything.
  
  So, in theory, if they plant 770 million trees, they will also fell 731.5 elsewhere – leaving Shane with a effective net number of 38.5 million to add to the 230 million which the cuzzies will plant, if they ever get off their couches – or a grand total of 268.5 million trees 
  
  To be honest, and to attempt a transparent integrity – which not all others display – I will accept at one point there may be 1 billion new seedlings or saplings aged 1–10 years old in the ground, but non-Jones forestry will be elsewhere cutting down 95% of their annual re-planted numbers and exporting trees with easily a decade of carbon-collecting maturity still in them. 
  
  [1] https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12200823
  
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  September 16, 2019 8:17am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Planting season has ended…
  
  It’s now the time to be weed releasing around last year’s plantings… and organising land and planting stock for 2020, 2021, 2023.
  
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  September 16, 2019 8:27am
  - jv
    
    And counting the survival rates of the nephs and the trees they planted.
    
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    September 16, 2019 3:32pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Shane Jones’ rapid hand movement (to seed these 200m trees) would be a sight to behold.
  
  Or not.
  
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  September 16, 2019 4:06pm
Paulus Gnome

Hooray! The end of maori language week!

I can understand where they are talking about during weather forecasts again, not that it made that much difference given the accuracy of the forecasts but, that is a whole other deranged rant.

$35,000,000.00 well spent I say!

Not!
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September 16, 2019 8:04am
- Ruahine
  
  I think it may be timely to keep practising your Maori. When Labour and the so-called Greens are the government after the 2020 election they are intending to change the name of the country to Ow-tea-are-rower.
  You will not of course be asked if you want the name changed.
  
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  September 16, 2019 8:59am
  - BobbyS
    
    I think you’re right Ruahine
    The BS MSM have been using the name “Aotearoa New Zealand” for a few months now
    They must have been given the “song sheet”
    I will fight this one – I’m over been marginalised in my own country
    NZ is more than just Maori – much more
    
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    September 16, 2019 10:03am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      You wasist!
      
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      September 16, 2019 10:47am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      How insurrection is born: ignore the people by incompetents masquerading as government.
      
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      September 16, 2019 11:29am
    - coge
      
      What’s the bet, they’d start by foisting a name change on Wellington first.
      
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      September 16, 2019 12:32pm
    - artemisia
      
      MSM and SJWs increasingly dropping the New Zealand part.
      
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      September 16, 2019 12:48pm
  - IC5000
    
    > I think it may be timely to keep practising your Maori. When Labour and the so-called Greens are the government after the 2020 election they are intending to change the name of the country to Ow-tea-are-rower.
    
    Maori is easier than Mandarin as it’s a non-tonal language. If Beijing Bridges gets in I suspect there will be a new push for all schoolchildren to learn the language of our benevolent overlords
    
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    September 16, 2019 11:22am
  - slightlyrighty
    
    I am not against the change to Aotearoa, as it means that we will march in to the Olympic Stadium a lot earlier every 4 years…
    
    8th instead of 130th….
    
    and ahead of Australia!!!!
    
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    September 16, 2019 11:54am
    - Ruahine
      
      You beat me to it. I will be able to get to bed earlier at the Olympic Games opening ceremonies. Will probably wait for the Aussies though.
      
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      September 16, 2019 12:42pm
  - igm
    
    Never!
    
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    September 16, 2019 12:52pm
- atomic drop
  
  “The end of maori language week!”
  
  It is going to be Infinity Maori Language soon enough. They’ve already forced through Antiwhite Marxist Propaganda under the guise of “NZ History” in our schools. Marxists ( or whatever label they hide behind these days )being the social engineers they are LOVE getting access to your kiddies.
  
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  September 16, 2019 9:57am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    The COL will be disbanded as easily as they were created by the word of Peters,.
    
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    September 16, 2019 11:30am
- John Warren
  
  Thank fuck. Is it safe to turn the radio and TV back on?
  
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  September 16, 2019 10:01am
  - Jack5
    
    No, TV and radio, especially the State dominated parts, continue to bombard us with NZ Pidgin – English language mongrelised with Maori language and macrons.
    
    No problem having two languages, English and Maori, but if so, they should be in separate radio/TV channels and in separate print editions.
    
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    September 16, 2019 10:41am
    - John Warren
      
      At what point does it become a creole?
      
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      September 16, 2019 2:09pm
      - sooty
        
        Maori channel all maaori.
        The rest english.
        Problem soved
        
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        September 16, 2019 4:11pm
      - Jack5
        
        John, this source suggests a pidgin language becomes a creole language thus:
        
        A creole is a pidgin with native speakers, or one that’s been passed down to a second generation of speakers who will formalize it and fortify the bridge into a robust structure with a fully developed grammar and syntax.
        
        https://www.babbel.com/en/magazine/whats-the-difference-between-pidgin-and-creole
        
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        September 16, 2019 8:41pm
Chris R

This lot’s biggest failure is its lack of transparency…they were never going to plant the promised number of trees nor build the promised number of houses but being even slightly transparent was possible. They are far from being open and transparent. John Key managed it!
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September 16, 2019 8:04am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  “New Zealand” (New West Holland) is not the most inspiring name, but it is OUR name.
  
  The kinds of people who want to change historical names, remove statues, delete lines in anthems, and change national flags* are the same kind of people who like to airbrush old photos and “correct” history books.
  
  An American and a Soviet were having lunch. The American said, “in my country, the past is known, but the future is unknown.” The Soviet retorted, “Ha! In Soviet Russian, the past is unknown, but we know what the future will be.”
  
  Airbrushers and revisers of history are fundamentally totalitarian.
  
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  September 16, 2019 9:33am
  - Jack5
    
    Yep, to be true to Tasman it should have been New Zeeland or Nieuw Zeeland, or even Nij Seelân (Frisian – Zeeland is Frisian).
    
    Still, New Zealand roughly means Sea Land, and that’s not a band name for probably the world’s most remote country – isolated in the great Pacific.
    
    New Sealand also fits the name of one of the last places to be populated.
    
    Since we have evolved to be New Zealand, let’s keep that name. It’s unique, and the “z” consonant has come grit to it and is not overly common in English.
    
    The “NZ” initials are handy, too, in lots of ways. “En Zed” is punchy compared with the “Ao” for Aotearoa (sounds perhaps like a tom cat call).
    Imagine the slang for Aoteroaised New Zealanders: “Ao-ers”. The connotations of that sound are appalling.
    
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    September 16, 2019 10:52am
igm

Thank you CoL, especially Little, Davis, Ardern . . . may one of these decisions personally impact on you or your immediate family . . . you deserve it.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/wanganui-chronicle/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503426&objectid=12267332
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September 16, 2019 8:08am
cmm

Well another gangland murder. Nothing new in that.

A wonderful man of course. Fantastic family man etc etc.

The really chilling bit is that, by age 48: “Kokaua had 11 children, two of whom he raised, and 15 grandchildren, who live in Australia.”

That’s a huge genetic footprint. Give them a few generations and well all be wearing red!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/115806706/christchurch-man-dead-another-charged-with-murder
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September 16, 2019 8:08am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  You forgot to mention how he was ‘turning his life around’, a common media phrase to denote an antisocial bellend.
  
  ‘A good boy’ is another but, you know, we aren’t supposed to notice these constant, unoriginal, clichés rolled out again and again by the four toed estate
  
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  September 16, 2019 8:19am
- The King
  
  Amazing article
  
  Criminal gang member
  
  Heart of gold
  
  Kind
  
  Gentle
  
  Oh and of course an article about the death of a gang member can’t go without mentioning the Christchurch incident.
  
  “yeah gang member dies in stabbing but dont forget about White Supremacists killed more people this year”
  
  lmfao.
  
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  September 16, 2019 8:20am
  - igm
    
    Well let’s face it, islam is making overtures to maori at every opportunity. Birds of a feather . . . !
    
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    September 16, 2019 8:45am
    - Ruahine
      
      They do have a lot in common. Especially attitudes to women.
      
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      September 16, 2019 9:02am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        I just hope Maori women are too strong and tough to go for that bullshit. Putting up with some sexist rules on the marae for one’s beloved culture is not the same as taking on a whole new religion that tells men to beat wives from whom they fear disobedience (sura 4:34).
        
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        September 16, 2019 10:38am
      - Jack5
        
        IGM is making a good point. Islam is proselytising vigorously in NZ.
        
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        September 16, 2019 11:03am
- kowtow
  
  How many New Zealanders are stabbed to death or seriously injured every year by unlicensed knives and other sharp pokey things ?
  
  If this regime was serious about keeping us safe , as they claim to be ,they’d introduce a strict licensing system for people to use these things and when not in use they’d have to be locked away securely and the police could come into anyone’s home , at a ‘reasonable’ hour to check where they are , how many you have and that they’re correctly recorded on a register.
  You’d need a license to procure and your medical records could be accessed too ………..
  
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  September 16, 2019 8:23am
  - SGA
    
    And people can, and have, been killed using bricks. Do you want to register them too? You can make use of a variety of things to kill people – rocks, lengths of wood, hammers, piano wire, the list is nearly endless. Of course, this isn’t the main reason for having these things (in fact we need many of them), and they aren’t designed with killing foremost in mind.
    
    On the other hand, guns are explicitly designed to kill things, and to do it quickly and efficiently. Sure, you can use a shotgun for other things (e.g., trap shooting), but that’s not to deny what guns really are for. I have no problem with some licencing for guns, but not for knives, bricks, or cricket bats. You can make explosives using everyday chemicals (important for other things), but I also have no problem with explicitly restricting access to C4 or similar.
    
    I’m not sure about the medical records business though, to be honest. My main reaction is that it does seem extreme. On the other hand, we expect people who operate trucks or taxis to get regular medical checks (granted, that is a somewhat different situation, so I don’t find that comparison compelling).
    
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    September 16, 2019 9:13am
    - rightoverlabour
      
      What about bare hands? People can kill with their hands – Going to register hands now as well?
      
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      September 16, 2019 9:56am
      - The King
        
        And rape even, oh those hands are already registered at the Labour party.
        
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        September 16, 2019 12:34pm
      - sooty
        
        People just up and die as well!
        Watch ya gunna do!
        
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        September 16, 2019 4:14pm
  - Swifty
    
    This will have a chilling effect on the openness of future conversations between firearms owners and their GPs.
    
    I can’t imagine doctors will be happy about it either.
    
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    September 16, 2019 10:45am
SJ Actual

The term post truth politics seems to mainly be used as an sleight against the right of politics with Trump and Brexit used as examples (despite Brexit hardly being a left / right issue). NZ has its own form of post truth politics in Ardern where being concerned about something is more important that doing something.

I believe that Ardern told her first public lie on the first sitting day of parliament when Simon Bridges bested the government of the numbers in house that could vote for speaker. She said that while she knew National didn’t have the numbers, she thought it was best to have consensus on these issues.

She got a free pass then and has continued to do so since. While the victims have paid a heavy price, hopefully now at least the scales have fallen from the eyes of many in the media and on the left so that Ardern and her government will start to be measured against their achievements (cough) rather than the amount of concern they show.
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September 16, 2019 8:09am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  She told her first public lie when she said she had no reason to lie (or what ever misspeak she spouted)
  
  It has been downhill since then, gathering speed as I type
  
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  September 16, 2019 8:24am
  - Swifty
    
    Just imagine is she/they had just copped that one and said ‘Yep, they got us. We were caught out. And we’ll do our best to make sure it never happens again.’
    
    Her public would have understood, even praised the bravery, quickly forgiven and moved on.
    
    But, no. Out came the lies. On Day 1.
    
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    September 16, 2019 10:23am
Poppa

The bad news continues for the economy with manufacturing hitting new lows. With GDP figures out this week expect that to be a very small number if positive at all.

They can’t blame the offshore problems for this, it is all internal. No doubt Robertson will try to spin it, but reality is hitting home that they are spending on nothing and the money runs out eventually.

Amazing that they have only taken less than 2 years to tank our booming economy
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September 16, 2019 8:12am
SJ Actual

Following the attack on the Saudi oil refinery which has reduced global daily oil production by 5%, wouldn’t it be great if NZ had its own energy sources so that it could better weather any global supply shocks…
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September 16, 2019 8:15am
- NoCash
  
  I can smell the CO2 on your breath. No, we don’t need no dirty oil. We have solar, wind, geothermal, and hydro. Besides we can all bike and walk, that’s how we will weather any supply shocks.
  
  Oh… btw we don’t need any more hydro power stations, they damage our pristine environment.
  
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  September 16, 2019 8:29am
  - Ruahine
    
    Give me a lake any day over those damn awful ugly windmills that just ruin the landscape.
    
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    September 16, 2019 9:05am
    - NoCash
      
      Absolutely, we don’t want more wind farms neither, they look ugly, kill trillions of insects and tonnes of birds each year, plus the evil SF6 used for electrical insulation.
      
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      September 16, 2019 11:06am
    - Jack5
      
      First power cuts, and the Greens will be history in NZ. Mad fanatics of history.
      
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      September 16, 2019 11:06am
- All_on_Red
  
  It will fixed pretty quickly. I doubt we’ll see much disruption because of it.
  Well, the Yemenis might…
  
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  September 16, 2019 8:31am
- rangitoto
  
  Donald already has it sorted:
  
  Donald J. Trump
  @realDonaldTrump
  Based on the attack on Saudi Arabia, which may have an impact on oil prices, I have authorized the release of oil from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve, if needed, in a to-be-determined amount….
  
  Thank goodness Cindy isn’t running the US.
  
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  September 16, 2019 10:17am
  - srylands
    
    The SPR holds over 700 million barrels of oil. The thing is Trump wants to keep the price of oil down. However, a Government that wants to reduce emissions would celebrate these kinds of price spikes. Because it avoids the screams that a tax attracts.
    
    When Russel Norman used to warn about $5 per litre petrol, he was actually praying for it because it would force folk from cars. I recall him saying that Transmission Gully would be a white elephant. A monument to vanity like the Easter Island statues. Well Russel, I predict that come 2040, Transmission Gully will be used by more cars than in 2020. And those who remember will thank Steven Joyce for his perseverence.
    
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    September 16, 2019 11:47am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      “A monument to vanity like the Easter Island statues.”
      That will be the green party.
      
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      September 16, 2019 11:54am
kevn

@SJ…. We do have the resources but have been blocked from doing something with them…
Two Pies woods killing the Taranaki exploration is just one problem.
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September 16, 2019 8:22am
- MCos
  
  I saw this on Twitter the other day. Reminded me of people who fat shame Megan Woods or Gerry Brownlee or anyone else who is overweight. I would imagine those MPs get messages everyday reminding them about their size.
  https://twitter.com/latelateshow/status/1172571955314094080?s=21
  
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  September 16, 2019 9:23am
  - Pateke
    
    Thanks for the twitter ref MCos, from an obese old man.
    
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    September 16, 2019 10:39am
Maggie Pie

We watched the 8m youtube vid of Simon yesterday being interviewed when he was in China.
TBH, I found his fawning attitude just a wee bit ‘cringey’ – especially his delight at being told the CCP affectionately called him….. “Mr. Chow”

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EESQO8zWkAsziAT?format=jpg&name=small
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September 16, 2019 8:25am
- RW Capitalist
  
  It was a typical interview, that you will see here too.
  When the reporter asks…What do you think of NZ?
  What he supposed to say?
  He was gracious and focused on the positive.
  He was knowledgeable, but not fawning.
  Comparison
  JA fawns to their face and attacks them behind their back.
  
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  September 16, 2019 9:45am
- geoff3012
  
  Mr Chow……from the “Hangover” movies?
  
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  September 16, 2019 9:55am
Right of way is Way of Right

I would be overjoyed to find out that Jacinda knew about the sexual assault allegations.

Not because of how bad it would make her look though.

I’d be glad to find that she knew anything at all. I’m not sure she does.
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September 16, 2019 8:26am
Yvette

In a case where a Labour staffer is accused of “digitally raping”[1] a 19-year-old party volunteer, media tell us this –

The draft terms of reference for QC Maria Dew’s investigation, seen by Stuff, are generally limited to the alleged sexual assault and bullying itself, not the party’s process in dealing with them – which has formed a large part of the political scandal engulfing the party.

Some in the Labour council involved in the initial inquiry want to hire a forensic computer expert to prove that they did not receive the serious sexual assault allegations in email form, a person close to the situation said. That person did not want to be named. [2]

Bearing that in mind, consider too what kiwiblog host David Farrar writes in his 7am post this morning “Why did Labour work so hard to protect the staffer?” and wonder why Ardern is still pursuing a QC Inquiry approach rather than insisting this serious alleged crime of rape be referred to the Police, who normally investigate such matters?”

The presumed victim may not wish to go to the Police (and reports via Paula Bennett say complainants have actually been warned not to) but Ardern in her present inquiry process appears to also be acting without the victim’s consent.

If the Police handle this matter, Ardern and her Party (should) loose all “control of the narrative”, they can only follow where the investigation leads.

Ardern’s address to the United Nationa’s General Assembly in part said –
And I for one will never celebrate the gains we have made for women domestically, while internationally other women and girls experience a lack of the most basic of opportunity and dignity. Me Too must become We Too. [3]

At present Ardern really needs to show this is not being reversed – that a 20 year old young woman’s most basic opportunity and dignity, having suffered alleged rape, is not further degraded in the very interests of the perpetrator and his associates.

With such biased conflict of interest, Ardern should be nowhere near the inquiry she presently proposes.
The matter of alleged rape should be being dealt with by the Police.

[1] Daily Mail, UK
[2] https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/115773503/labour-scandal-terms-of-reference-dont-include-initial-investigation-prompting-council-stoush
[3] https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2018/09/27/256105/full-text-pms-speech-to-the-united-nations
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September 16, 2019 8:27am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The odds for getting any rape/sexual assault case through the court process are pretty low…
  Here’s some disturbing info from Britain..
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/sep/13/complaints-up-charges-down-see-the-numbers-in-your-area
  
  basically, many chaps realise they can get away with sexual assault/rape, especially if it falls into the category of “he said/she said”.
  (i.e. no witnesses, the 2 involved were known to each other)
  
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  September 16, 2019 8:59am
  - srylands
    
    I don’t see any way around that. You will recall that in 2014 Labour floated the idea of reversing the burden of proof in rape cases. That would have a chilling effect on sexual relationships and result in false convictions. Fortunately the idea seems to have died but it could re-emerge.
    
    If “Sarah” has gone to the police immediately, there may have been physical evidence that could have been used in a prosecution.
    
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    September 16, 2019 11:51am
  - IC5000
    
    You’re also forgetting to mention the numerous high profile cases where the defendants were found guilty but later acquitted due to the incompetence of the CPS and police who failed to investigate properly and ignored evidence.
    
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6460037/hundreds-may-have-been-wrongly-convicted-for-rape-cps-must-review-old-cases/
    
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    September 16, 2019 2:36pm
david

You can easily visualise Robbo heaving a great sigh of relief when he heard of the drone strike in Saudi Arabia “ Aaaah, at last something foreign to blame….. “
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September 16, 2019 8:33am
stephieboy

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[Mod – deleted. This case was covered by suppression orders. If Bradbury wants to breach them, that’s his business, but please don’t expose DPF to potential legal action. Take this as a strong warning.]
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September 16, 2019 8:34am
- harvey wilson
  
  Stephieboy [Mod – deleted, as subject to suppression orders] went to trial and was found not guilty.
  
  I know you are desperate for something, anything to distract from the fact Labour turns a blind eye to staffers and MPs raping teenage volunteers but that is pathetic.
  
  Think if labour have put the same amount of focus into sexually assaulting teens and covering it up as they had building houses where they would be now?
  
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  September 16, 2019 8:51am
- Simon
  
  If Ardern can cover for an alleged rapist what else is she capable of? What other crimes do Labour & Ardern think they can get away with?
  
  Ardern covering for an alleged rapist goes straight to the heart of people’s trust in the State.
  
  National need to help regain the public’s trust in the State. Start with outing the sexual predator and all those who have covered for him.
  Once the sexual predator is named others will come forward. The victims need to know they can come forward in a trusted environment.
  
  There needs to be a cleansing of Labour’s criminality for the good of NZ.
  
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  September 16, 2019 8:59am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    You mean ‘drain the swamp’? Good idea – the Labour Party would be no more. Atm, just a festering sore
    
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    September 16, 2019 5:41pm
- Swifty
  
  Labour and specifically Robbo and Jacinda are in deep do over this matter – and I hope their poll ratings take a hammering as NZers express their disgust at way Labour has handled TWO sex scandals in their organisation in such a short space of time.
  
  No amount of squirrels released will alter this situation.
  
  (Also, I’d be quite careful about relying on Bradbury’s judgement if I was you. He is quite unique in New Zealand in his ability to cock up almost everything he gets involved with. His capacity to help wreck political parties he works with is surpassed by only Laila Harre.)
  
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  September 16, 2019 8:59am
  - tf78
    
    Someone wrote yesterday that Labour’s internal polling had them down to 36% from 47% and Act up to 2.3%. I guess it will be confirmed sometime in the next year. (This was before the sex scandal came to light). I think Jacinda took a bath as well.
    
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    September 16, 2019 10:10am
    - tranquil
      
      “Someone wrote yesterday that Labour’s internal polling had them down to 36% from 47% and Act up to 2.3%. ”
      
      **Great stuff** if that’s true!
      They could easily lose another 4 or 5 percent during the campaign, putting them on 31 or 32.
      
      Hopefully Winston First will be toast so even if the Greens sneak in with their usual 6 percent then that’s only 38 percent or so.
      Not enough.
      
      The Nats could gain 4 or 5 percent, giving them close to a majority.
      Good to see Act making progress at last too.
      
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      September 16, 2019 10:33am
- Greg Ettridge
  
  There is a saying
  “it is not over until the fat lady sings”
  I know how uncomfortable this whole mess is for some, but it appears at least two deviates were loose with their desires and hands in February 2018.
  Just 18 months ago, they then make one sex scandal go away with another one from the same time frame.
  You couldn’t make this shit up.
  I will make a prediction, their is a ton of puss and pain to come from this saga, their are more to be sucked into the created void.
  Problem with micro management is you can lose control. If it was a plane it is in uncontrollable spin.
  The other problem is if you tell a porky, make sure you can make it invincible.
  I looked at one of the UK papers last night, the comments on this subject were scathing, over 1,000 ticks in just 5 comments.
  Jacinda Ardern now has a severely damaged public image problem worldwide, will be an amazing feat to turn it around.
  On a positive note, at least her office precinct will be a nicer and happier place to work, and barred persons will feel safe to return if they choose to do so.
  
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  September 16, 2019 9:03am
  - sooty
    
    Cindys not fat,
    Robbo bats for the other side,
    Is that close enough to a fat lady singing?
    
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    September 16, 2019 4:21pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Martyn Bradbury is sticking up for his good friend Jacinda Ardern.
  
  No one else is defending Jacinda, so dammit I will.
  
  I’ve known Jacinda for a very long time. She’s babysat my daughter and I’ve known Clarke since Channel Z days.
  
  https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2019/09/11/in-defence-of-jacinda-arderns-handling-of-the-sex-scandal-the-danger-of-trials-by-media/
  
  He knows nothing of the Wellington Labour scene.
  
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  September 16, 2019 9:04am
  - G152
    
    Aha. Just maybe he does and is running interference to protect the ‘princess’
    
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    September 16, 2019 9:11am
  - igm
    
    Martyn Two Votes, is a Labour lackey and always has been. Did not know he was a liar like Ardern though!
    
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    September 16, 2019 9:35am
    - Ruahine
      
      I did.
      
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      September 16, 2019 10:02am
  - John Warren
    
    Says more about Bradbury than it does about Jacinda.
    
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    September 16, 2019 10:07am
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    Well, I have also known Jacinda for a very long time.
    When she took the job I realised that we she would be dependent upon very competent support staff.
    Her support staff have shown that they are totally incompetent.
    For that reason I have some sympathy for her.
    Watch the downticks flood in.
    
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    September 16, 2019 10:38am
  - chaos
    
    Channel z days, kind of makes you realise why he sticking up for them when Clarke’s own tv show was about shamming woman for where they spend the night.
    
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    September 16, 2019 1:06pm
- Rich Prick
  
  Whataboutism meets facepalm.
  
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  September 16, 2019 9:10am
- Greg Ettridge
  
  Stephieboy
  This what the world is reading, not just NZ
  Click on highest and lowest comments.
  The PM’s well built image is being trashed.
  One cannot control the world media at this stage.
  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7458607/New-Zealand-Prime-Minister-Jacinda-Ardern-forced-resign-sexual-assault-scandal.html
  
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  September 16, 2019 9:14am
- The King
  
  I don’t remember you holding muslims accountable for their terrorism, but oh boy Stephie sure lets us know how “White” Tarrant was.
  
  muh whataboutisms.
  
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  September 16, 2019 9:17am
- Local Miller
  
  This is stretching a long bow. In the case of [Mod – deleted], these allegations went to the right place, that is the police, and National acknowledged from the start that there was an investigation, AND they did the right thing: Innocent until proven guilty, wait for the POLICE investigation.
  Compared to Liebour: Nothing to see here, no police involvement, the PM knows nothing, cover up.
  Try another “whataboutisim”
  
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  September 16, 2019 9:35am
softail 1450

Visiting my folks this morning a copy of the Herald on Sunday was sitting on the table,having a quick look at the contents it was page 27 before the sex assaults in the labour camp is mentioned.
By the end of this week it will be entirely forgotten ,and I will bet $500,00 that this PMs dept will come out with multiple “look at this shiny thing over here”scenarios before the weekend.
These sex assault woman have been thrown under the bus to protect Ardern before her glorious trip and speech at the UN.
By the way isn’t it amazing how Peters has made a recovery just before the rugby World cup,the systems in our Country is F—-D beyond repair….
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September 16, 2019 8:34am
- chaos
  
  Far more and far worse to come.
  
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  September 16, 2019 8:43am
  - lilman
    
    Agree,there is another scandal on its way,not this staffer but it is being researched as we speak.
    Oh Cindy tell me you know about the next one,because its a ripper.
    
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    September 16, 2019 9:04am
    - Rich Prick
      
      Oh dear, more garden variety “she was asking for it” sexual assault/rape, or something more serious? Why can’t Labour just keep it in its pants?
      
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      September 16, 2019 9:57am
      - igm
        
        They have always been known to as the party of leeches, losers, and perverts.
        
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        September 16, 2019 12:59pm
- tf78
  
  softail – Winston may have been resting up before his takeover of PM’s job.
  
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  September 16, 2019 9:02am
- rockape
  
  If it does start to fade away all that has to happen is Bennet drops the other shoe under parliamentary privilege.
  
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  September 16, 2019 9:05am
- Happychappy
  
  What do think this was, when have you ever heard Stuart Nash talk on housing or it affordability.
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/building-construction/news/article.cfm?c_id=24&objectid=12267419
  This is the start of Labour trying to hook people on other subjects.
  
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  September 16, 2019 9:09am
Happychappy

Is the Prime Minister still trying to cover her own arse still over the Labour Party staffer sexual assault or is she still in ChristChurch trying to create some political capital by cuddling up to the Mosque victims once again. I have to ask because I have not heard her spend one moment condemning the attack on a young School girl by another pupil where punched ,kicked and brutally use her head for stomping in this viscous attack.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/education/news/article.cfm?c_id=35&objectid=12267509
Jacinda likes to use school children to gain popularity so why have we heard nothing from her over this assault.
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September 16, 2019 8:38am
- Ed Snack
  
  I always worry about these viscous attacks – can be a very sticky situation…
  
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  September 16, 2019 11:45am
- The King
  
  It was pretty tame tbh.
  
  If only i had video camera 1992 Whangarei boys high, teachers used to use cars and run over students to break up fights.
  
  Every Friday was a metaler vs rapper 100 man spartan siege at the girls high bus stop.
  
  My boy filmed a fight at school a couple years ago and he was the only one who got suspended..for posting it on instagram.
  
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  September 16, 2019 12:46pm
- backster
  
  Not much of a news item when they don’t name (and shame) the school. No deterrent, Perp is a hero. Not even the location stated. Avoidance of responsibility all round.
  
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  September 16, 2019 1:49pm
Monique Watson

What’s Winston going to demand to prop up Labour next election. The way Ardern is going with the sex scandal business, Jacindania could turn into WinstonMania
Sorry to give you something to throw up a little into your mouth over.
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September 16, 2019 8:41am
- Poppa
  
  I doubt he will be in a fit state to contest the next election Monique
  
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  September 16, 2019 9:11am
- kloyd0306
  
  How does he negotiate with 3% of the vote?
  National’s biggest mission is to now drive the Green vote under the threshold.
  
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  September 16, 2019 9:18am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Labour’s disgraceful behavior will have driven a lot of lefties back to the Greens. Labour will be sharply down next poll and Greens sharply up.
    
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    September 16, 2019 10:24am
    - MH
      
      Labour = assault
      Greens = battery
      
      ands
      
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      September 16, 2019 3:20pm
  - Colville
    
    I think we will see the Greens go up a bit on the back of Jacinda taking a hammering.
    
    Hard core leftards will desert Labour but stay with the “cause”
    
    Cindys popularity rating is going to be very interesting next poll.!
    
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    September 16, 2019 10:24am
    - DigNap15
      
      We will need some good news for Ardern before the media deign to commision a poll
      In an ideal world polls should be produced at set regular intervals.
      Reid (TV3) has not done one for a long time.
      
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      September 16, 2019 10:58am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        Yes, the next TV3 poll is well overdue. They must be waiting for the Princess to come back from the UN with another coating of stardust.
        
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        September 16, 2019 11:58am
    - Swifty
      
      ‘I think we will see the Greens go up a bit on the back of Jacinda taking a hammering.
      
      Hard core leftards will desert Labour but stay with the “cause”’.
      
      Yep.
      
      It’s the swingers that National must win.
      
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      September 16, 2019 11:01am
      - hullkiwi
        
        National have three jobs.
        1. Smash Winston First under 5%; and
        2. Make sure all soft swing votes go Bational from Liebore and NZ First; and
        3. Get the Latte mothers of Epsom, Ponsonby, Grey Lynn, Khandahla and Ilam to stop believing they are saving the world when they party vote Green.
        
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        September 16, 2019 11:59am
  - Swifty
    
    Winston polling under 5% is far more likely than the Greens doing it.
    
    Most Green voters would only ever give their vote to Labour – so them leaving the Greens would only increase Labour’s vote – the net effect being zero.
    
    On the other hand, Winston’s voters generally flee to National. As evidenced by their falling numbers since Winston chose Ardern.
    
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    September 16, 2019 10:30am
- IC5000
  
  Hopefully less third world immigration and a royal commission into CCP-United Front influence on NZ politics.
  
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  September 16, 2019 9:44am
Swifty

My first ever post on the POTUS (from memory) – some impersonations of Trump:

https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=CJmmf_1568578300

🙂

Suitable for work.
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September 16, 2019 9:16am
MrsAnnie

Will an old Rugby injury and a couple more sub 4% polls encourage Sir Winston to take up the High Commissioners posting before the 2020 election?
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September 16, 2019 9:22am
- RW Capitalist
  
  High Commissioners posting
  to the Falklands.
  
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  September 16, 2019 11:19am
  - sooty
    
    No, good people on the Falklands!
    Send him to Sandistan!
    
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    September 16, 2019 4:31pm
kloyd0306

Ardern and Obama: Two peas in a pod.
Both speak well but say nothing.
Both got very little accomplished through government.
Obama’s self proclaimed qualification was as “Community Organizer” while Cindy’s was “President of International Socialist Youth.”
Neither was successful in the commercial world and neither had to ever make payroll, instead, living off the public purse (briefly wrapping fish & chips aside).
…and funnily enough, both are leftists!
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September 16, 2019 9:28am
- softail 1450
  
  Kloydo306, Ardern is a shocking speaker,more umms and ahhs than a 13 year olds sleepover night…
  
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  September 16, 2019 9:39am
- John Warren
  
  Ardern does NOT speak well. She’s a mess. Diction, eloquence, pacing, umming, aahing…
  
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  September 16, 2019 10:10am
  - kowtow
    
    Yeah and I never considered Obummer the Great Orator that the Media party claimed Him to be either.
    
    Teleprompter down and He was also all ums and ahs .
    
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    September 16, 2019 11:18am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    I would have thought that her communication degree would have provided training in public speaking. umm, err, error…
    
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    September 16, 2019 11:45am
  - Ruahine
    
    Compared to someone like Peta Credlin, Ardern is a semi-educated phoney.
    
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    September 16, 2019 12:54pm
- Greg Ettridge
  
  Another thing in common, both Jacinda and Obama used a same person in election campaigns.
  The same person was parachuted in to assist setting up The NZ Racing Industry Transition Agency.
  Chief of Staff in the beehive.
  He must be a very important person.
  
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  September 16, 2019 1:57pm
adamsmith1922

As I write in the post what is this Labour Party that all the members seem to regard as a distant entity
https://adamsmith.wordpress.com/2019/09/16/more-on-labours-problem-xvii-who-is-this-labour-party-batman/
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September 16, 2019 9:30am
MCos

Make of this what you will

‘Now the Radical Left Democrats and their Partner, the LameStream Media, are after Brett Kavanaugh again, talking loudly of their favorite word, impeachment. He is an innocent man who has been treated HORRIBLY. Such lies about him. They want to scare him into turning Liberal!’
President Trump

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/14/sunday-review/brett-kavanaugh-deborah-ramirez-yale.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share
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September 16, 2019 9:36am
- fernglas
  
  Just because someone has a reprehensible youth does not mean that they cannot be a responsible and valuable contributor later in life. Even if they had a reprehensible adulthood they are not disqualified from attaining high office even later in life.
  
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  September 16, 2019 10:00am
  - MCos
    
    I think the issue might be what he said under oath about his ‘reprehensible youth’
    
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    September 16, 2019 10:33am
    - Ed Snack
      
      There is zero evidence that he in fact lied under oath. This is all a beat up as it is the same allegations that were made back at the time of the senate hearings. There is zero, repeat zero, corroboration, the person it is supposed to have happened to refuses to speak but apparently has no recollection of the incident. To cap it off, Ramirez’s lawyer was Michael Avenatti, the ultimate lying sleazebag now under indictment for a wide variety of financial and other crimes.
      
      There are several things at work here – someone has a book being released in a day or so (apparently full of innuendo but nothing new, and no new corroboration); and there is the OIG report about to drop that may well be explosive, sometimes this is likely an attempt at “squirrel”. Plus it is likely that a new update on RBG’s health status will be negative and that means a new SC nomination is due…
      
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      September 16, 2019 12:06pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        A 400 page report was released by the Senate Judiciary Committee
        It detailed every accusation against Brett Kavanaugh, including this Ramirez one.
        Every accusation was dismissed because it was completely unfounded.
        
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        September 16, 2019 12:15pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        https://mobile.twitter.com/grassleypress/status/1173367605824016387
        
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        September 16, 2019 12:39pm
  - IC5000
    
    > Even if they had a reprehensible adulthood they are not disqualified from attaining high office even later in life.
    
    Exactly. Look at David Garrett. A beacon of hope to us all.
    
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    September 16, 2019 11:26am
  - rockape
    
    I had a reprehensible youth, Drinking womanising fast cars and serving in the RAF, I am 72 and dont serve in the RAF anymore!
    
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    September 16, 2019 2:03pm
    - sooty
      
      I should hope so, you old fart,
      Likely to shoot up and bomb the wrong country,
      
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      September 16, 2019 4:37pm
oldpark

Fake news strkes again. The latest is the taxpayer funded TVNZ ,better known as Pravda One . They have hitched their apple cart Climate Change myth and fraud to a gang of fake news merchants throughout the world.
What is going on . Bet they ignore the truth. Tiny NZs have been tucked in to pay One Billion four hundred million dollars to faceless people in third world countries to offset our alleged carbon footprint.
We have all heard of the Worlds’ Seven Wonders.
Climate Change fraud is the Eighth ,Ninth ,Tenth ,wonders of the World. Except it is the biggest con job ever visited on a fake news world . All being aided and abetted by another joke ,THE UN.
Poor old NZ has been sucked into the con job. Even worse most of the fraud and scam reporting is being funded by NZs taxpayers. Ala TVNZ =PRAVDA ONE.Whan an indictment and an abomination.
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September 16, 2019 9:56am
- MCos
  
  ‘Except it is the biggest con job ever visited on a fake news world’
  You should have added – in your opinion.
  There are people around who take a different point of view.
  BTW
  I used to think communism was a rather remarkable con job, until just the other day.
  
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  September 16, 2019 10:59am
- KevO'Brien
  
  This has been planned for months. There is another conference coming up and these are the preliminaries.
  
  Who needs journalists when you have propagandists?
  
  Time for State radio and TV to be disbanded. They are dangerous to NZ’s mental health.
  
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  September 16, 2019 11:49am
Maggie Pie

One of the gurls from work txts –

‘What men understand about women’
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September 16, 2019 9:57am
- Swifty
  
  To be fair, we don’t even understand No 10 that well.
  
  I mean, how you even walk around with those things?
  
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  September 16, 2019 10:25am
  - Swifty
    
    🙂
    
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    September 16, 2019 10:25am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    back ache?
    
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    September 16, 2019 11:03am
  - stigie
    
    Would this make you fell better Swifty..?
    
    (*) (*)
    
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    September 16, 2019 11:13am
    - Swifty
      
      Heh
      
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      September 16, 2019 11:54am
    - Ed Snack
      
      Or for those of a certain persuasion (:)(:) …
      
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      September 16, 2019 12:08pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjbsfHY-NPkAhW5H7cAHVzRCNcQjRx6BAgBEAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pinterest.fr%2Fpin%2F201887995774263828%2F&psig=AOvVaw2Fl3f7Q04JZRGtyVp9H04C&ust=1568675204322278
  
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  September 16, 2019 11:07am
- atomic drop
  
  “One of the gurls from work txts –
  ‘What men understand about women’”
  
  Imagine a white guy sharing jokes at work about fat chicks – which is about 90% of the female population these days ( thanks Feminism!).
  
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  September 16, 2019 12:16pm
  - The King
    
    No lie detected.
    
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    September 16, 2019 12:51pm
stephieboy

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
A sample of vile and ugly GOP politics where they sling mud at Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s insanely comparing her” socialism “ to the totalitarian is Khmer Rouge “ The GOP with this kind of crude propaganda thoroughly deserves. the popular sobriquet, “ Repugnantans “

Who Is Elizabeth Heng, the Woman Behind the Strange Ad Comparing AOC to the Khmer Rouge?

https://www.google.co.nz/amp/s/slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/09/elizabeth-heng-aoc-cambodia-khmer-rouge-new-voices.amp
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September 16, 2019 10:20am
- atomic drop
  
  AOC like the other brown muslims coming into US politics is anti Israel and has called out the massive amounts of Jewish money buying off US politicians to push an Israel agenda – take a look at Trump or Pelosi, any of them really.
  
  So now the Jewish Lobby is out to knee cap her.
  
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  September 16, 2019 10:53am
- RW Capitalist
  
  and yet the “green new deal” reads a lot like the Khmer Rouge “year zero” plans.
  Destroy everything in current society and replace it with AOC’s warped vision.
  Definition
  “The idea behind Year Zero is that all culture and traditions within a society must be completely destroyed or discarded and a new revolutionary culture must replace it, starting from scratch. All history of a nation or people before Year Zero is deemed largely irrelevant, as it will ideally be purged and replaced from the ground up. ”
  Sounds like the green new deal to me.
  
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  September 16, 2019 10:56am
- Swifty
  
  You really are the most stupid poster here.
  
  Your post is classic bigotry and, gasp, ‘hate speech’ – two of the very things you decry here frequently.
  
  Why do I think this?
  
  Because in your post you have tarred a whole group with the actions of one member of that group. Classic bigotry; which you call out every time someone here lambasts ‘muslims’ when one of their number blows up some women doing their shopping.
  
  And, according to the left’s definition you have committed a ‘hate speech’ offence as you have used rude words against a group of people – thereby insulting them and calling them into ridicule.
  
  Someone might act on your words and cause Republicans harm! You have caused Republicans to feel unsafe to walk the streets!
  
  Do you not see the total hypocrisy of your post? Or are you too stupid to see or acknowledge it?
  
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  September 16, 2019 10:57am
- KevO'Brien
  
  The comparison is little unfair or perhaps too early. Asinine Occasional Cortex’s wishes have yet to come true. Execution is in the wish. Too much tax for causes can kill of a population.
  
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  September 16, 2019 12:01pm
- Ed Snack
  
  Heng, I think her family is a survivor of the Pol Pot regime, so perhaps she actually knows a bit about extreme socialism…
  
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  September 16, 2019 12:09pm
- Gravelroad
  
  Ha ha – “Repugnantans” –
  Makes a change from the “deplorables”, I suppose – but how did that turn out for Hillary Clinton during her presidential campaign?
  Think you will find it was the use of that gratuitous insult to the ordinary people of America that really, really helped the election of Donald Trump.
  
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  September 16, 2019 12:23pm
- chaos
  
  Want to see vile and ugly read the people on Twitter like you who are victim blaming those who were assaulted by the guy in jacindas office, disgusting vile people trying to excuse rape
  
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  September 16, 2019 12:34pm
- John Warren
  
  Stephiepoop, your posts are starting to resemble the incoherent ramblings and link whoring of our Hugh.
  
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  September 16, 2019 2:04pm
tranquil

Resting up at home today with a nasty chest cold. Was coughing my guts out overnight so I’m *really* tired……

Coughing seems to have almost stopped now though so I’m hopefully on the mend. Just a nasty sore throat and clogged nose and sinuses.

You **really** appreciate how great good health is when you haven’t got it.
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September 16, 2019 10:40am
- RW Capitalist
  
  I will be very upset if you come on here and give it to me.
  
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  September 16, 2019 11:10am
  - tranquil
    
    Ok…… I’ll be good, RWC……… 🙂
    
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    September 16, 2019 1:36pm
RW Capitalist

https://www.national.org.nz/fewer_sheep_and_more_trees_outcome_of_freshwater_proposals
excerpt
If implemented, these proposals are going to see farmers in the Waikato go out of business and their land be converted into a sea of trees.
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September 16, 2019 10:47am
- kowtow
  
  I’m not in the least surprised , this regime hates farmers.
  
  You have to wonder though about where do these people think their food comes from , and the taxes and wealth that the hard working farmers produce for the economy.
  
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  September 16, 2019 11:14am
- hullkiwi
  
  And the slash from trees is so good for our waterways, just ask people on the East Coast….
  
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  September 16, 2019 12:04pm
- The King
  
  Eat the bugs, bigots!
  
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  September 16, 2019 1:02pm
MCos

Price of crude oil rocketing by around 19% this morning according to the NZH, which also reports our petrol may hit three bucks.
I don’t when our prices are set to rise, but the inference is very soon indeed.
Couple of things occur to my unsophisticated way of thinking.
Some oil companies are going to make a killing out of this.
Why do we pay extra for fuel that was clearly refined from oil bought at the old rate?
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September 16, 2019 10:51am
- tranquil
  
  Well, the **good** news is that a jump in petrol prices could be yet another nail in the coffin of our most incompetent and destructive government of all time.
  
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  September 16, 2019 11:07am
  - MCos
    
    Every government is the worst we’ve ever had according to a percentage of the population.
    Your solution is a crippling petrol price rise, with all the consequences?
    
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    September 16, 2019 12:02pm
    - tranquil
      
      No no…… I don’t want a price rise.
      
      I’m just saying that there is a **silver lining** if the price goes up – that’s all.
      
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      September 16, 2019 1:39pm
- RW Capitalist
  
  Maybe the govt. could help by taking a fixed tax at the price it is now? Instead of a %.
  eg…Price yesterday $2.20…tax about $1 therefore before tax $1.20, 19% rise …$1.48 + $1….$2.48
  compared to
  $2.68
  
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  September 16, 2019 11:14am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Fuel excise is charged by the litre. It has nothing to do with the price of the litre.
    I thought you would know that.
    
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    September 16, 2019 12:06pm
    - slightlyrighty
      
      So the government will now point to the drop in percentage of Tax in the total cost and call it a win for Gummint Intervention?
      
      I wouldn’t put it past this lot..
      
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      September 16, 2019 12:24pm
- cmm
  
  ” Why do we pay extra for fuel that was clearly refined from oil bought at the old rate?”
  
  Because they have stock and it costs the current price to replace that stock.
  
  If they used the old price then you’d get that on the back end too. ie. when the old oil price comes down you would only see that in the fuel price when the oil stock has cleared.
  
  A 19% hike in crude cost adds less than 20c to the actual price. Then there are all the extras, especially taxes which add another 20c or so.
  
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  September 16, 2019 2:00pm
  - MCos
    
    What you’re saying is that sizeable fluctuations in the crude oil price are reflected more or less immediately in the price at the pump?
    So when we hand over our cash we’re actually paying the cost of the petrol we’ll receive in a couple of months time?
    
    Airlines must be pissed off.
    If you bought a ticket last week for a flight next week those buggers have to wear the cost.
    
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    September 16, 2019 3:21pm
    - cmm
      
      Airlines likely negotiate differently.
      
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      September 16, 2019 7:11pm
Maggie Pie

Some people are always very quick to judgement – i mean just maybe, Prince Andrew had a corgi named ‘Sex’

https://twitter.com/DailyMailUK/status/1173185451894693888
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September 16, 2019 10:55am
- atomic drop
  
  The fact that Randy Andy turned up randomly and expectantly at Courtney Love’s LA mansion in the middle of the night says something about Ms Love’s reputation around the town.
  
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  September 16, 2019 11:07am
- chaos
  
  I thought he wasn just joking with an Aussie accent and asked for six.
  
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  September 16, 2019 12:20pm
- slightlyrighty
  
  Did it come when called?
  
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  September 16, 2019 12:22pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, JFK had an affair almost on a daily basis.
  
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  September 16, 2019 12:54pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Well before MY time i think?
    
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    September 16, 2019 2:22pm
atomic drop

Oil price just jumped 20% instantaneously.

“They appear to show approximately 17 points of impact on key infrastructure at the site after Yemeni Houthis claimed a successful drone strike of up to ten unmanned aerial vehicles with explosives. ”

Months to fix, not days or weeks.

“US and Saudi officials, still amid an ongoing investigation, have told reporters they are “certain” the attack actually originated from Iraq, especially as the debris and precision targeting show a level of “sophistication” which would link it to Iran’s elite IRGC.”

Lining up their ducks for war on Iran.

https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/declassified-satellite-images-reveal-it-would-take-months-fix-saudi-oil-facility
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September 16, 2019 11:02am
- RW Capitalist
  
  and our govt. will use it as an excuse to
  Collect even more tax on fuel
  cover their incompetence as far as the economy is concerned.
  
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  September 16, 2019 11:16am
- secondcumming
  
  The US oil producers will be laughing all the way to the bank.
  Pres Trump has ordered the *Strategic Petroleum Reserve* to take whatever measures are required to assist balance the market.
  
  [Yup… sounds like a great pretext for the US to declare war on Iran and take control of their oil fields. Interesting times ahead……]
  
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  September 16, 2019 11:22am
- Inandout
  
  Our princess is looking into it.
  
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  September 16, 2019 11:41am
  - Tall Man
    
    I doubt that very much.
    
    miss “do nothing” will continue to “do nothing”…..
    
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    September 16, 2019 2:04pm
- MCos
  
  NZ has faced criticism every now and then for failing to speak out against blatant human rights abuses going on in China. We don’t want to jeopardize trade, because if China wanted to they could cause havoc with our economy.
  So we shut up and the status quo is maintained.
  Similarly the US never puts the heat on Saudi Arabia because of oil. Except they also get involved with their war in Yemen, which has been a blood bath.
  Now someone has struck back.
  Now what does the US do?
  Start another interminable war they can’t win? This time with Iran.
  Shakespeare used to write plays about this sort of thing.
  
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  September 16, 2019 11:52am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Sorry but I just can’t see the US starting a physical war with Iran.
    Mainly because they are absolutely crushing them already.
    Trade sanctions, Banking restrictions etc are just killing Iran. The US is now going after the companies doing business with Iran. Trump has realised that US Banks are a much better weapon than Tomahawk missiles.The Iran economy is farked.
    The Saudis have enough firepower to deal to Yehmeni by itself too. Also, it’s more likely Israel would help the Saudis than the US too.
    
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    September 16, 2019 12:25pm
    - MCos
      
      There’s a couple of points there. President Trump sent this tweet
      ‘Saudi Arabia oil supply was attacked. There is reason to believe that we know the culprit, are locked and loaded depending on verification, but are waiting to hear from the Kingdom as to who they believe was the cause of this attack, and under what terms we would proceed!’
      That’s sounds bellicose to me, but then we’ve heard that before from him with regards to North Korea and that’s gone nowhere.
      
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      September 16, 2019 3:36pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Did you stand up to all the bullies at school… I doubt it and even if you did what would it have achieved? About as much as ardern’s criticisms of Australia.
    
    I am in Oz at the moment and despite what the media may tell you she is openly despised and laughed at here among the people I have spoken with.
    
    Same for China. Public criticism will do nothing and in the long run would be counter productive. If you can’t get behind the bully and drop them to their knees then stand beside them and “walk” them away from their stance.
    
    Go head to head and you’ll get squashed and achieve nothing.
    
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    September 16, 2019 2:08pm
- igm
  
  Let us not forget Putin has been welcoming Al Queda reps in Russia . . . I would place as much trust in Putin as I would Ardern . . . None!
  Both share the same political beliefs and would not be surprised to hear she has contact with him as well as Sroubek.
  
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  September 16, 2019 6:04pm
Jack5

Good – National is standing firm against Labour’s rush to tighten firearms ownership. This way we will get any considered, reasonable change required, rather than political change to canonise Ardern into Saint Jacinderella.

The point questioned in the link below is valid. Concentration on mental health indicates that murder-by-massacre by gun entails insanity. Leftists don’t accept that some people are evil – irreversibly bad. They can be sane and evil. There is free will.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/398865/national-gun-bill-may-stop-gunowners-seeking-mental-health-help
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September 16, 2019 11:18am
The only red for me is that of Manchester United

It was heartening to read over the weekend here comments that the prime minister should resign and that the prime minister’s lies are enough to bring a government down. It’s all very wishful thinking and won’t happen. Like so much in life timing is important. The week of the Mosque attack in Christchurch was when National were hammering away at the Sroubeck issue. The terror attack occurred and the Czech was forgotten about. But not by the opposition.

If there is any truth in the rumours we know about then National dropping that around the first quarter of next year or after the 15 March 2020 should inflict some serious damage to Labour and Arden. That might not bring a government down immediately, but it could inflict enough damage to make people not vote for Labour in 2020.
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September 16, 2019 11:45am
- Tony Stuart
  
  I don’t think it’s a long shot at all that this scandal could bring the government down.
  
  Up in St Mary’s Bay, Winston Peters is watching all this unfold very closely as he recovers from his “old rugby injury”. He will be aware that Labour is bleeding support; the photo of him last week showed an envelope from UMR on his desk.
  
  Peters is like a cockroach in a nuclear holocaust. As much as I despise his populist politics, he has a strong survival instinct, and if he sees Labour going down the gurgler he will find a way to collapse the coalition. It might be the next tranche of gun laws, or it might be the freshwater plan, but he will hone in on a single issue, and the only thing that matters will be his survival.
  
  That bodes very badly for Jacinda Ardern.
  
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  September 16, 2019 12:08pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Or… more baubles for “what’s in it for wynston”.
    
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    September 16, 2019 2:00pm
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Well, yes; that too, although it kinda goes without saying 😀
      
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      September 16, 2019 2:29pm
  - chaos
    
    Winston is back in Wellington today so will be interesting to see if he answers any questions in the house, she is there tomorrow I think
    
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    September 16, 2019 3:59pm
All_on_Red

Hasn’t it reached the point where Joe ‘Corn Pop’ Biden needs an intervention?
It’s just looking so sad at this stage.
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September 16, 2019 12:19pm
- atomic drop
  
  It’s elder abuse.
  
  I heard a recording of one of those “town hall” type gatherings – Biden completely garbled, and when the moderator tried to rescue him, he went into full rant, incoherent spluttering.
  
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  September 16, 2019 12:25pm
- Fletch
  
  Yup, for those who don’t know, Joe gave a speech in 2017 where he talks about confronting a gang leader ‘Corn Pop’ and his razor boys when Joe was the only white life guard at a black swimming pool.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FegTQbMBwmg
  
  He totally comes off sounding like Grandpa Simpson.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Rzao52ndNA
  
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  September 16, 2019 12:57pm
Fletch

Jacinda’s slogan, “Let’s Do This” looks to have been the slogan and hashtag of a Home Depot campaign in 2013….

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBeY07wObhY
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September 16, 2019 12:28pm
- atomic drop
  
  Probably where one of their election campaign strategy teenage staffers was working weekends.
  
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  September 16, 2019 12:33pm
- hullkiwi
  
  Come on Fletch, Jaconda is too lazy to come up with a campaign and approach that was original in 3 days. As she tried to assert (lie about in 2017). Nothing about her is open, honest, transparent or real.
  
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  September 16, 2019 12:51pm
- Tall Man
  
  Copyright?
  
  Send them a copy of ardern’s drivel…. let’s do that.
  
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  September 16, 2019 1:59pm
Maggie Pie

Gawd those idiots on ZB drive me silly!
Just heard that Andrew Dickens pronounce “Hamburg” as….”Homborg”.
Imagine going to ‘The Bearded Clam’ and asking for a “Homborga”

LOL!!!
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September 16, 2019 12:53pm
- MH
  
  i’ll eat my hat.
  
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  September 16, 2019 3:32pm
Happychappy

I wonder how long Iain Lee’s Galloway will sit on this
Check drug-smuggler Karel Sroubek teaching yoga after ‘terrible mistake’.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/115819840/czech-drugsmuggler-karel-sroubek-teaching-yoga-after-terrible-mistake
Sroubek said he had a job offer in the building industry for when he is released and hoped to become a productive member of the community to the parole board.
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September 16, 2019 12:54pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Building the tinny-houses of tomorrow in the new improved kiwibuild
  
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  September 16, 2019 3:00pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The leopard can not change it’s spots
  
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  September 16, 2019 5:44pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  Overall it’s not a bad idea for prisoners to find healthy ways of controlling their minds and bodies. Yoga can help with that.
  
  But of course this particular ‘yoga teacher’ shouldn’t even be in the country.
  
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  September 16, 2019 5:55pm
- igm
  
  Bet Jethro is a follower.
  
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  September 16, 2019 6:10pm
rightoverlabour

Bet you the owners etc are lefties…

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=12265350
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September 16, 2019 1:06pm
- chaos
  
  So why would they be lefties?
  
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  September 16, 2019 3:58pm
noskire

Pleased to see that the PM is dealing with the issues that really matter: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/595891149135413298/621332324616765470/image0.jpg
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September 16, 2019 1:33pm
- chaos
  
  Reply to kids is part of the job, every pm has to do this. But don’t worry all she has done is sign a letter her staff has written.
  
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  September 16, 2019 3:56pm
Happychappy

Oh have a look at Jacindas personal ratings from a UMR Poll taken Last monday before this saga was in full swing. This is from Mathew Hooton today on twitter.
https://mobile.twitter.com/MatthewHootonNZ/status/1173012501891387392?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
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September 16, 2019 1:37pm
- Happychappy
  
  I wondered why Stuart Nash was talking housing and its affordability a couple of days ago, is he trying to position himself for a tilt to become Prime Minister if Jacinda needs to resign.
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/building-construction/news/article.cfm?c_id=24&objectid=12267419
  Stuart Nash has shown his true colours this year and I would put nothing past him.
  
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  September 16, 2019 2:53pm
  - chaos
    
    When Jacinda goes Winston will pull the pin on this government if he hasn’t done already, but I figure he will pull it soon
    
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    September 16, 2019 4:09pm
  - igm
    
    Napier will dump him next election . . . he is now very unpopular.
    
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    September 16, 2019 6:08pm
chaos

The Rise and Fall of Jacinda Ardern

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sa6UYQT7UN4&app=desktop
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September 16, 2019 1:55pm
- Pateke
  
  Brilliant!
  
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  September 16, 2019 4:24pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Thank you for that. New Zealanders take note. We have had a fucking gutsful of the les and deceit from Jacinda Ardern and Labour
  
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  September 16, 2019 6:07pm
John Warren

The Czech bounces back into the public eye:

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/398875/czech-drug-smuggler-karel-sroubek-tells-parole-board-i-made-a-terrible-mistake
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September 16, 2019 2:00pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  The PB have reserved their decision pending Jacindas return from the UN in the hope he will be able to be paroled to Premier House.
  
  LOL!!!!!!!!!
  
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  September 16, 2019 2:32pm
- JibberJabber
  
  It`s about time NZ immigration/Judiciary/ Govt grew a pair, take this scumbag straight from jail to AKL International put him on the first flight to Europe , let him appeal from the comfort of his own hometown.
  As it is I`d bet he`s getting our legal aid to pay for his appeal, knowing how soft the system is.
  
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  September 16, 2019 2:43pm
- Komata
  
  JW@1400
  
  His ‘Terrible mistake’ was being caught and then believing that his ”Friends in high places’ would get him off…
  
  How little he knew…
  
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  September 16, 2019 3:42pm
rouppe

Does anyone else think that the actions of Roberson were totally out of order? Was there no food available at this eatery she could have used?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=12265350
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September 16, 2019 2:26pm
- secondcumming
  
  Anyone with ties to the dining industry knows how hard it is these days just trying to keep afloat…..let alone having *pains in the arse* like this bringing their own food into the restaurant.
  
  It’s not a fucking hospital !
  
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  September 16, 2019 2:53pm
- chaos
  
  I see both sides of the story, but in the end she could of simply gone outside, quickly eaten her food and gone back in
  
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  September 16, 2019 3:41pm
- Prince
  
  Perhaps people should go to one of Roberson’s ‘personal training’ sessions, listen in, video them and follow for free.
  
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  September 16, 2019 5:23pm
- artemisia
  
  How hard would it have been to have a quiet word with staff beforehand, or get one of her mates to do it. Entitled much.
  
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  September 17, 2019 6:27am
JibberJabber

So now Jacindas` apparatchiks in this transparent, caring wellbeing govt are leaking the names of the victims of the sexual predator that stalked the 9th floor.

We’re now hearing that complainants’ names are being leaked and spread around the parliamentary gossip mill. Some complainants feel a witch hunt is underway.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/09/opinion-pm-jacinda-ardern-needed-to-act-sooner-on-sexual-assault-allegations.html
I wouldn`t call this a witchhunt, it`s more like a non-personning, a full blown Stalinist shunning.
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September 16, 2019 2:32pm
chaos

This is disgusting, whoever is leaking needs to be fired. And people ask why not go to the police, because labour are experts at attacking and demoralising people just like this. On top of this is the labour supporters attacking them online.

*We’re now hearing that complainants’ names are being leaked and spread around the parliamentary gossip mill. Some complainants feel a witch hunt is underway. *

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/09/opinion-pm-jacinda-ardern-needed-to-act-sooner-on-sexual-assault-allegations.html
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September 16, 2019 3:07pm
- Happychappy
  
  Here is Jacinda’s press conference and she was asked about people saying it’s turning into a witch hunt but was very evasive like mostin most questions except the ones she wanted to answer.
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/09/livestream-prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-s-post-cabinet-press-conference2.html
  Jacinda is more interested in her own credibility and stress that she will fix it, anyone can see the guilt through her lies.
  
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  September 16, 2019 4:40pm
  - chaos
    
    Yeah, I tried to watch the stream live, but I just couldn’t stomach her bullshit any more
    
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    September 16, 2019 4:54pm
    - DigNap15
      
      Thats why we need plastic bags back!
      And big ones
      
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      September 16, 2019 6:02pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  “One of the most appalling aspects of the PM’s handling of Labour’s Sex Abuse scandal is that her office has been briefing against the complainants to sympathetic media all week”
  https://twitter.com/hamishpricenz/status/1172993376716611585
  
  “The PM’s response to the Labour Party sex scandal is to set up five different inquiries, none of which will look at what she or her staff knew, and then refuse to release their findings. She is definitely mocking everyone.”
  https://twitter.com/hamishpricenz/status/1173459438763573248
  
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  September 16, 2019 5:20pm
Cobolt24

Auckland council prepares to cut 160 jobs
https://i.stuff.co.nz/auckland/115830652/auckland-council-plans-up-to-160-job-cuts

In other news, lead singer of The Cars, Ric Ocasek dies.
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September 16, 2019 3:46pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  There must be an election due? God that GOFF is useless. Waits 3 years and then decides now is the time to cut costs. My rates have more than doubled in the last decade ($6400 – $13,700) yet services have halved!! All they do is pik up the bin. We even have to pay Jimz Mowing $40 a fortnight to trim the berm. I actually patrol the Avenue near our place picking up dog poop and chucking it over peoples fences.
  Its gotten beyond a joke 🙁
  
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  September 16, 2019 4:28pm
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Jeez Maggie, you pay that much to live in an area where people don’t even pick up their dog poop?! Why the gigantic rates?
    
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    September 16, 2019 5:07pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The people over those fences probably do not have a dog. That is why dog owners and dogs go for ‘walkies’
    I live up a right of way, so lucky. But when a dog comes up there are a few fence battens by the door to throw at them
    
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    September 16, 2019 6:16pm
- Hollyfield
  
  reading the full article paints a slightly different picture:
  
  A restructure leading to a loss of between 100 and 160 staff
  Hiring more frontline staff
  Total council staff numbers RISE from 6548 to between 6600 and 6700.
  
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  September 16, 2019 4:59pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    @ steveO (Northshore)
    
    There was a family living in the street behind us and they had a teenage son with a noisy car that he roared around the neighbor in. My partnwer used to give me handfuls of Z-nails to throw up their driveway when i took the dog for walkies at night. They moved a couple of years ago thank goodness.
    
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    September 16, 2019 7:23pm
- Grant
  
  The Cars were one of “the” bands of the 80s and Ric Ocasek was their driving force.
  ” Life’s the same you’re shaking like tremolo”. Great lyrics.
  RIP Ric
  Grant
  
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  September 16, 2019 7:23pm
krazykiwi

Labour’s cousins across the ditch have been taking dirty money, and covering it up.

A Sydney businessman has admitted he lied to the NSW corruption watchdog about his involvement in an alleged scheme by the Labor Party to conceal a $100,000 cash donation from a banned donor, days after he was warned he could be jailed for giving false or misleading evidence.
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September 16, 2019 4:09pm
Jack5

How compromised by his past is National list MP Jian Yang, who accompanied Simon Bridges on his visit to the People’s Republic of China?

Michael Reddell puts Yang under the microscope:

https://croakingcassandra.com/2019/09/16/recalling-jian-yangs-past-questions-for-him-and-his-leader/
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September 16, 2019 4:38pm
- Inandout
  
  Jack, does this site discuss Labour’s staffers?
  
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  September 16, 2019 4:59pm
  - Jack5
    
    Have a look at Croaking Cassandra yourself, Inandout. Its topics are largely economic, but it’s taking a close interest in Beijing ties and presence in New Zealand. It’s good that some blog is.
    
    Michael Reddell keeps an eye on the Labour-appointed governor of the Reserve Bank, and on the economy, helping balance the overly pollyanna-ish economic views of all of our political parties.
    
    Inandout, you’re not implying that criticism of National, direct or indirect, should be avoided on Kiwiblog, are you? I didn’t notice that rule when I started posting years ago.
    
    I voted National last election, but believe National’s Beijing ties will haunt it unless they are sorted out well before the next election. At present, they are National’s Achilles heel.
    
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    September 16, 2019 8:28pm
chaos

In other words cover it up

*Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern says she won’t release the terms of reference for the Labour review by Maria Dew QC.*

Dear labour, when this man rapes again, and he will, I will blame you and only you

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/09/jacinda-ardern-won-t-release-terms-of-reference-for-labour-review.html
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September 16, 2019 4:59pm
- DigNap15
  
  Open and transparent
  
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  September 16, 2019 5:54pm
slightlyrighty

So let me get this straight.

Labour has Kensington Swan investigate the Sexual Assault Claims.

The terms of reference are confidential.

The report is to go to the Labour Party for review before it is released.

I can smell the whitewash from here.
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September 16, 2019 5:00pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  My partner has been a client of Kensington Swam for more than 20 years – he reckons the LR Cristal corks would have been popping the day they landed this gig!
  
  LOL!!
  
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  September 16, 2019 5:36pm
Happychappy

Over 160 jobs to go in AucklandCouncil restructuring. https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12268121
So much for Jacinda gloating in her press conference about the unemployment rate at 3.9% is this the start of the downturn.
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September 16, 2019 5:11pm
- DigNap15
  
  Good.
  I’d sack them all and re-advertise the jobs at half the salaries.
  
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  September 16, 2019 5:53pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

Look at all the press secretaries that left PM’s office in 2018 after just a few months in the job:
Sarah Austen-Smith. left to travel for a few months, now working for The Spinoff (unbiased of course)
Mike Jaspers. Former journo left to take a few months off now in PR and Coalition working group #217.
Julie Jacobson. left to go freelance

Early 2019 the other two press secretaries had to reapply for their jobs.

Also 3 chiefs of staff, Gordon Thomson (lobbyist, conflict of interest issues 2018), Mike Munro (Ex Clark govt, gone due to health), then Raj (Rajesh) Nahna was promoted June 19 (worked on Obama campaign then up through Labour staffer ranks over last 10 years).

Must have been a terrible working environment.

https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/03/arderns_chief_press_secretary_moves_sideways.html
https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/11/two_pmo_departures.html
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/380560/job-vacancies-arise-in-the-prime-minister-s-office
https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/03/arderns_chief_press_secretary_moves_sideways.html
https://halids.com/newzealand/meet-the-inner-circle-of-jacinda-ardern-the-people-most-dependent-on/
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September 16, 2019 5:16pm
- herb1
  
  We all know how debilitating it can be talking with idiots , but unlike the PMs press secretaries, we don’t have to do it day after day
  
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  September 16, 2019 7:09pm
- slightlyrighty
  
  Anyone who has worked in a company with that level of staff turnover will recognize thet pattern and the cause.
  
  People do not leave bad jobs, they leave bad managers.
  
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  September 17, 2019 6:29am
Maggy Wassilieff

So are we to believe that the complainants are liars, now?
https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018713504/lawyer-denies-sexual-assault-claim-made-in-labour-panel-meeting
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September 16, 2019 5:42pm
- chaos
  
  I heard he has forensic evidence to show he had no emails, yeah, doesn’t take long to get rid of emails, just ask Hillary
  
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  September 16, 2019 6:13pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Yeah, why didn’t Simon Mitchell tell us this last Monday?
    
    Why have Haworth and the staffer left their jobs if “sarah” had never informed the Labour hierarchy that sexual abuse had occurred?
    
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    September 16, 2019 6:31pm
  - barnacle bill
    
    Chaos, or should that be Chaotic ?
    
    I don’t think it is your rule to be questioning a forensic expert.
    
    It starts to get into dangerous territory when you do that.
    
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    September 16, 2019 7:20pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I don’t think it is your rule to be questioning a forensic expert.
      why shouldn’t we question this new bit of information that has been put out to the public.
      
      Do any of us know whether this forensic expert is independent, or an expert, or anything?
      who is he/she?
      
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      September 16, 2019 7:43pm
      - barnacle bill
        
        Chaos is very good at making insinuations Maggy.
        
        This habit will come back to bite him in the Bum one day.
        There are Lawyers all over this affair now.
        
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        September 16, 2019 8:06pm
      - Swifty
        
        Take your pills you old codger.
        
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        September 16, 2019 8:40pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        There are Lawyers all over this affair now.
        
        Yeah, and if Simon Mitchell had kept clear and accurate minutes /transcripts of the complainants’ allegations and sent each one a copy of what was said at the investigation… then it would be case closed.
        
        But looks to me that someone ballsed-up with holding a fair and transparent investigation of the complaints.
        
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        September 16, 2019 8:54pm
      - barnacle bill
        
        Maggy As at September 16, 2019 8:54pm
        
        We shall see, still a lot to come out yet , I suspect.
        One way, or the other..
        
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        September 16, 2019 9:08pm
      - chaos
        
        Btw we should remember who is saying that he has forensic evidence that he never got the email, it is the same person who when Helen Clark sold her, cough cough art work it was Simon who brought it so that it couldn’t be used as evidence in fraud against Clark. Simon, covering up labour crimes for a while now
        
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        September 16, 2019 9:38pm
      - chaos
        
        Worth reading up how corrupt this bugger is
        
        https://mobile.twitter.com/Sherida7William/status/1173467162427609090
        
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        September 16, 2019 9:50pm
      - barnacle bill
        
        Swifty@ 8.40pm
        Take your pills you old codger.
        
        Good evening, swifty by nature.
        
        But I suspect your real name is Roger Sole..
        And you sign documents with R Sole.
        
        Enjoy your evening..
        
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        September 16, 2019 9:54pm
    - chaos
      
      Sure I can question it, because no forensic expert has given any evidence that this guy is telling the truth, and I can question it because I know how very easy it is to make sure such things cannot be recovered and to remove all trace that anything existed.
      
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      September 16, 2019 8:14pm
      - Hard Cheese
        
        I’d question it because I know exactly what forensic evidence would be required to substantiate his claims. Until I see some published reports on what the expert actually did to validate his statements, to me it remains only a claim.
        
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        September 16, 2019 10:09pm
- Kevin Herlihy
  
  There are always two sides to a complaint of this nature, to date the public has heard only the complainants side.
  A clearer picture of the allegations will emerge following the inquiry being conducted by Maria Dew QC. How much of that inquiry will be made public will rest with the complainants.
  
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  September 16, 2019 6:45pm
  - chaos
    
    Bullshit
    
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    September 16, 2019 6:54pm
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September 16, 2019 6:04pm
KevO'Brien

So Trump is irritated someone has bombed the Saudis in retaliation, They along with the USA and UK have been bombing Yemen or supply war materials to bomb that Shia country–hospitals the lot.
This could be an Israeli event too-they want Shia out of the way.
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September 16, 2019 6:13pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Christchurch man charged with mass murder.

A Kiwi man, Mohammad Raheesh Isoof, has appeared in court charged with the murder of five family members in Fiji.

He also faces a charge of attempted murder of a 1 year-old baby.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/115818211/kiwi-man-charged-with-murder-of-family-at-nausori-highlands-in-fiji
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September 16, 2019 6:13pm
- Jack5
  
  Jacinderella must hurry to Fiji with a suitcase full of hijabs and ready to apologise.
  
  We are all one, she declared, so the Christchurch Muslim charged is one of us, or at very least,one of hers.
  
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  September 16, 2019 8:47pm
- The King
  
  “Kiwi man”
  
  Mohammad
  
  This why i don’t identify as a “Kiwi” you can just jump in this country from anywhere else in the world and ‘hey presto’ i’m a Kiwi, like it even means something.
  
  In no way shape or form am i a “Kiwi-man” which is used to describe a freaking mass murderer.
  
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  September 16, 2019 9:34pm
lifesgood

Why, oh why. oh why, have these sexual assault victims not reported it to the police. Surely it is high time they did. It is clear Labour are going to do their darndest to bury it and make the victims out to be liars. How gutted must the victims be feeling now. Mind you, the fact that the labour youth camp perpetrator basically got away with it all doesn’t inspire confidence does it?
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September 16, 2019 6:14pm
- chaos
  
  To start with it appears they believed labour would look after them. But when you look at the vile scum on the internet that are attacking them, look at the fact that in question time the speaker and other labour mps have laughed when kelvin was being questioned over this. Why would you go to the police when labour have basically a system set up to attack you and pull you down through their vile scum supporters.
  
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  September 16, 2019 6:25pm
lifesgood

As for believing anything Robertson says. Do you remember the Labour party event in a pub when he was asked if his boyfriend, Alf, was there and he said “No, he isn’t here tonight” just as the camera zoomed in on Alf. Oh dear.
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September 16, 2019 6:22pm
chaos

Perhaps it was a “there is a shit storm coming, must stay out of it and gain labour’s votes op”

https://mobile.twitter.com/CTrevettNZH/status/1173477885547409408

*Just to add further confusion to the mix, Winston Peters is asked by @HDPA about his knee op and replies “it was never a knee op”*
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September 16, 2019 6:44pm
rightoverlabour

Any more spin and they would put a tumble drier to shame….

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/115833369/labour-scandal-party-to-conduct-two-separate-inquiries-into-sexual-assault-allegations-response
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September 16, 2019 6:44pm
Brian McDonald

Last week reading the Spinoff article revealed that the story was drip fed by Sarah on its way to the current allegations. On the face of it there were some parts of the eventual claim that tested credibility. The party President denied being told about the alleged sexual complaint before he resigned, now so does a lawyer reviewing the claim. What do you make of it Maggy?

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/labour-abuse-allegations-investigator-brings-in-computer-expert/ar-AAHmh6r
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September 16, 2019 6:45pm
- herb1
  
  Not sure what Maggy makes of it but I just a dirty old man Brian who thinks girls are fair game, but to be fair that lowlife Winston Peters was interviewed by HDPA tonight , and he also questioned Sarah’s honesty . He also struggled to speak and she had to ask him to repeat his answers a number of times.
  It just seems to be a trait of lefties to be be nasty , ignorant and of questionable ethics and leacherous behaviour .
  You a leftie are you Brian
  
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  September 16, 2019 7:07pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Buggered if I know…
  let’s look at some possibilities…
  
  1. It’s a big set-up to discredit Paula Bennett…
  (seems a bit far-fetched and Labour folk wouldn’t have resigned)
  
  2. There is some truth to bullying, harassment claims… but one or two complainants have embellished their accounts….. (possible)
  
  3. The complainants are being truthful and they have been give the run-around with a dodgy in-house investigation by a select group of the Labour elite.
  
  (I’m inclined to this account.. as something is wrong with how they gave evidence at the in-house investigation, but were denied any copy or viewing of the minutes of the investigation)
  
  I think the whole mess shows Labour is donkey-deep in a cover-up of some sort.
  
  Why is Jacinda admitting “mistakes have been made” if no mistakes have been made?
  
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  September 16, 2019 7:14pm
  - Brian McDonald
    
    1/ I’d say certainly not.
    2/ Agree with possible.
    3/ The process has certainly been convoluted.
    A cover up would be stone cold dumb.
    Jacinda has reacted admitting mistakes which were anyway obvious. But she hasn’t nominated exactly what they are, for now. Mitchell is speaking out in his own defence, when probably it wasn’t anticipated. Why shouldn’t he?
    
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    September 16, 2019 9:17pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Why shouldn’t he?
      
      Indeed, he should…
      the more Labour folk that start speaking out, the better as far as I can see.
      There’s been too much hiding behind process.. and keeping everything ‘in-house”.
      Why, even Jacinda might see the value in being open and transparent about what has been going on.
      
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      September 16, 2019 9:40pm
fernglas

Why should they report it to the police? It’s bad enough being sexually assaulted by someone you should have been able to trust, but the process of dealing with this type of case is much worse. This man has apparently used his position within the Labour party to abuse others, and the Labour party is responsible for sorting it out, openly, fairly and with proper regard for the participants in the process. Hiding the terms of reference and burying the outcome is so utterly inappropriate for a ruling political party that they should all hang their heads in shame. The hypocrisy from the top is unacceptable.
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September 16, 2019 6:48pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  If we look at the latest version of the Labour Party sexual harassment/abuse policy, you will see that the Labour Party allow for the possibility of not informing police:
  
  8.4 Complaints that allege a criminal offence should be reported to the Police or other agency with
  the prior consent of the complainant.
  
  8.5 The Party will not inform the parents of young people aged 15 or over regarding any allegations
  made by that young person without that person’s prior consent.
  
  https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/nzlabour/pages/3956/attachments/original/1561085927/Policy_for_Sexual_Harm_Prevention_and_Response_-_April_2019.pdf?1561085927
  
  That’s nuts.
  
  The Labour Party should make it clear that if a criminal act is involved, the Police will be notified.
  
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  September 16, 2019 7:59pm
- Brian McDonald
  
  Because it is an alleged criminal offence is why it should have gone to police. The Labour Party is not the police. That’s the line where this argument is reaching. Parliament under any leadership prefers to be a law unto itself, that’s not new. Here we are getting lines out of a harassment policy as if that trumps the Law in a case now claimed to be sexual assault. And you ask why it should be reported to the police?
  
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  September 16, 2019 9:39pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    And you ask why it should be reported to the police?
    
    No.
    I am saying that Labour Party should never be dealing with a criminal offence.
    
    They should make it clear to their Party members that any disclosure of a criminal offence will be handed over to the Police.
    
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    September 16, 2019 9:49pm
    - Brian McDonald
      
      Any party. But where does the line get drawn. This complaint wasn’t received as an alleged sexual assault at the the outset. It morphed into that after a long delay.
      
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      September 16, 2019 10:09pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Yep, this issue has got messy.
        
        And for some odd reason the Labour Party thinks it can proceed with investigating matters that allege a criminal offence has occurred.
        
        It seems Lawyers galore are involved..
        
        I’m not a lawyer.. just an ordinary member of the public wondering why the cops aren’t investigating the allegation published in the “spinoff”.
        
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        September 16, 2019 10:23pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

Winston Peters was asked by Heather Du Pleiss Allen about his knee op, says “it was never a knee op”

Hope it’s nothing serious*

*Hoping it’s something serious – maybe an arsehole transplant after his last arsehole got worn out by his being such a massive arsehole since forever.
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September 16, 2019 7:28pm
Swifty

Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters has returned to the Beehive and described a sexual assault allegation saga engulfing the Labour Party as a “disgraceful orgy of speculation and innuendo”.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12268181

You’ve misled us so often Peters and for so long we no longer believe you.

Your credibility is zero.
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September 16, 2019 8:50pm
Maggy Wassilieff

There are Lawyers all over this affair now.

Yeah, and if Simon Mitchell had kept clear and accurate minutes /transcripts of the complainants’ allegations and sent each one a copy of what was said at the investigation… then it would be case closed.

But looks to me that someone ballsed-up with holding a fair and transparent investigation of the complaints.
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September 16, 2019 8:52pm
Jack5

A Northland tribe has banned the replica of Cook’s ship Endeavour from calling at Mangonui, and its been taken off the ports of call.

Here’s the description of the great explorer, Cook, by a tribal spokeswoman, Anahera Herbert-Graves:

“He was a barbarian. Wherever he went, like most people of the time of imperial expansion, there were murders, there were abductions, there were rapes, and just a lot of bad outcomes for the indigenous people.”

Murder, abductions, rape? That must have been a shock for the warring Maori tribes.
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September 16, 2019 8:57pm
chaos

Laughing, young labour have ditched their president and secretary and replaced them
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September 16, 2019 9:57pm
Maggy Wassilieff

And now we have the Complainant “Sarah” lawyered up and a statement released tonight:

https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/16-09-2019/two-statements-on-the-labour-party-inquiry/
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September 16, 2019 10:46pm
- Brian McDonald
  
  Another shift. If there’s any more subplots this will go deeper than the Titanic.
  
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  September 17, 2019 6:35am
Hugh Pavletich

ASIAN HOUSING: The poorly understood economic and social costs and risks of excessive price / income multiple stretch …

… What are the competitive advantages of normal and affordable housing markets ? …

Shenzhen property costs more than HK: report … Asia Times

https://www.asiatimes.com/2019/09/article/shenzhen-property-costs-more-than-hk-report/

Grassroots people and new graduates in Shenzhen have earlier access to better public housing than those in Hong Kong

Years of a sustained bull run in the property market in the southern Chinese tech hub of Shenzhen means flats or apartments in the city of 18 million are now more expensive than those in Hong Kong, which has long been known as one of the world’s least affordable home markets.

Shenzhen’s ratio of average annual household income versus average home price has risen to 30, meaning a couple has to live off other income and save up their combined salaries for nearly 30 years before they can clamber aboard the city’s property ladder, according to the August data crunched by the Security Times, which is based in the city.

Hong Kong’s corresponding figure is 20.9, leading a pack of 91 cities worldwide with a population of at least one million for the ninth year running, according to the latest survey by Demographia, a US data research firm and public policy consultancy. … read more via hyperlink above …
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21 Years of Salary in Hong Kong While 8.3 Years of Salary in London Can Get You a Home … Ellen Holden … The Tribune Today

https://thetribunetoday.com/2019/09/16/21-years-of-salary-in-hong-kong-while-8-3-years-of-salary-in-london-can-get-you-a-home/
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Asian communities become scapegoats in New Zealand’s housing crisis … Deutsche Welle

https://www.dw.com/en/asian-communities-become-scapegoats-in-new-zealands-housing-crisis/a-50446191
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September 17, 2019 2:16am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  … AMERICA’S MASSIVE COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGE …
  
  UNITED STATES …
  
  4 out of 5 Americans say there is a housing affordability crisis (NAHB Survey) … Mortgage Professionals of America Magazine
  
  https://www.mpamag.com/market-update/4-out-of-5-americans-say-there-is-a-housing-affordability-crisis-177571.aspx
  
  Housing affordability is at crisis level according to a new survey from the National Association of Home Builders.
  
  The poll of almost 20,000 people across the country last month also shows that 78% said it was a problem in their state, 76% said it was a countywide problem, and 75% said it was a problem in their city.
  
  “Housing affordability is near a 10-year low and this poll confirms the challenges hard-working families face to keep housing within reach as rising costs continue to outpace wage growth,” said Greg Ugalde, NAHB chairman. “Policymakers must roll back inefficient zoning rules, costly impact fees and outmoded land development regulations that are driving up housing costs, contributing to the mounting lack of affordable housing and hurting middle- and low-income households.” … read more via hyperlink above …
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  .
  … Guides to problem United States Cities and States …
  
  … What is being learned from the successful ones ?
  
  The average home price in every American state – and what you get for your money | Marissa Perino | Stuff.co.nz
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/113894360/the-average-home-price-in-every-american-state–and-what-you-get-for-your-money?rm=m
  
  2019 15th Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey
  
  http://www.demographia.com/dhi.pdf
  
  Housing Affordability Ratings … Median Multiples … All Markets
  
  Australia 5.7
  Canada 4.0
  China (Hong Kong) 20.9
  Ireland 3.7
  New Zealand 6.5
  Singapore 4.6
  United Kingdom 4.8
  United States 3.5
  
  This serious social issue of political and urban planning failure will likely be dealt with more quickly and effectively in the United States than most other jurisdictions.
  
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  September 17, 2019 2:19am
softail 1450

Why did Duncan Garner just waste 10 minutes asking Ardern about the rape going on in her party?
It would have been smarter to have stopped by at a KFC on the way to work pick up a ten pack sit it on the interview chair and ask it the questions.
Ardern is nothing more than BLING ,from the front she appears to be a normal looking 40 year old reasonably attractive female, seen from behind she appears to be a 60 year old bag lady tottering down Queen St at 3am in the morning.
It’s all so shallow I’m amazed she is still getting away with it….
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