General Debate 15 September 2019

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AgainstTheFlow

Stuff’s Tracy Watkins embarrasses herself again:

It’s Not Ardern’s Fault – the Labour Party let her down.
i.e. Ardern’s problem is she’s too nice.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/115804055/editorial-jacinda-ardern-must-force-labour-to-face-itself-in-the-mirror
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September 15, 2019 8:06am
- Swifty
  
  In the years 2008-16 time after time after time after time Labour MPs tried to hang on Key accountability and responsibility for every little mistake or misdeed committed by National MPs, National Party members and, at times, even government employees.
  
  You’ll forgive me then for sheeting accountability and responsibility home for Labour Party misdeeds rightly to THE LEADER OF THE LABOUR PARTY!
  
  J.K.L Ardern.
  
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  September 15, 2019 9:25am
- CJames
  
  It is interesting to compare the newspaper’s spin with that of Cactus Kate’s. The latter is a lot more acerbic. Russell McVeagh comes out very well in comparison and all those #metoo show themselves to be hypocrites. Helen Clark has been caught out big time.
  Be interesting to know how many Labour MPs are frantically trying to cleanse their PR photos to disappear he who must not be named. It will be all in vain as the Internet never forgets (some have already been in news articles) and screen shots will have already have been done.
  
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  September 15, 2019 9:51am
  - Swifty
    
    Cactus absolutely nails it:
    
    https://asianinvasion2019.blogspot.com/2019/09/russell-mcveagh-or-jacinda-arderns.html
    
    I encourage everybody to have a read.
    
    And, unless I hear Clark come out this week demanding senior Labour heads to roll – then we know she’s nothing but a two-faced whatchamacallit.
    
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    September 15, 2019 10:24am
    - Michael
      
      We already know that 🙂
      Just saying.
      
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      September 15, 2019 10:36am
    - Lizziep
      
      That is a great summary of what is what. Well done but it won’t see the light of MSMs day I can guarantee. They are trying so hard to cover up its disgusting.
      
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      September 15, 2019 10:50am
    - rouppe
      
      Is her assertion that the staffer isn’t white correct?
      
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      September 15, 2019 12:08pm
      - CJames
        
        I think you can see that because Stephie or Psycho haven’t appeared to shoot her article down that it is right. They are conspicuous by their absence. And like many people in Wellington or the political loop, she would know the person’s name, background etc.
        It will be interesting to see how Labour advertise the vacancy for the person’s position, or will they hide it by internal promotion and act like the previous holder never existed..
        
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        September 15, 2019 6:43pm
- Paginus
  
  The one thing the left is good at is defence. They almost never attack their own. The Greens, Labour, and the left wing media have barely attacked Jacinda.
  If Bridges was in hot water, Act, half of National and the right wing media would be calling for his head.
  
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  September 15, 2019 10:28am
  - sooty
    
    Why are they so good at defence?
    Because they have to practise it so often!
    They have too many perverts in their ranks!
    It always is the perverts, always!
    
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    September 15, 2019 10:52am
- plc
  
  Seriously….WTF?
  
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  September 15, 2019 10:30am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Ah yes, the old, other people let me down mistake.
  
  tell me, in what business anywhere in the world is that accepted as an excuse for management failure?
  
  Sometimes, oh, to borrow a phrase from a pale, stale and male person, who once had quite an important job:
  
  “the buck stops here”
  
  It doesn’t stop with staffers, or out in the office, or with the junior minions.
  
  You aspire to the big chair, then you have to pay the fee.
  
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  September 15, 2019 10:57am
- Tall Man
  
  Imagine if someone thrust their hand down tracy’s knickers in the elevator and when she laid a complaint the boss’s PA told her to just stay out of the elevator………
  
  These people really have an inability to think their statements through.
  
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  September 15, 2019 12:26pm
- Ruahine
  
  Watkins looking for more free rides on the 757.
  
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  September 15, 2019 3:25pm
artemisia

Politics is fun
If you’re holding the gun.
Not so much if
It’s the smoking one.
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September 15, 2019 8:08am
Im Right

Seems Jacinda’s aura will have dimmed in a few people’s eyes at the UN, her halo will have slipped. I can bet you her script writer(s) would have been busy over the last few days rewriting her ‘words of wisdom’ to remove anything that would have said or hinted at #me too or feminism sympathies and she will stay clear of the whole subject…..we know her here in NZ as a hypocrite but God forbid the rest of the world find out!
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September 15, 2019 8:09am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I wonder if she is still in the running for the Nobel Peace Prize?
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/111502795/international-petition-pushes-for-jacinda-ardern-to-get-the-nobel-peace-prize
  The Nobel Committee are meeting to firm up their decisions this month.
  
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  September 15, 2019 9:10am
  - DigNap15
    
    Have you got an email address for them so I can send them some information.
    
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    September 15, 2019 9:53am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Yep:
      https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/uncategorized/the-norwegian-nobel-committee-3
      
      Technically Ardern should not be in for the 2019 prize as nominations “closed” at the end of January 2019… but, POLITICS…..
      
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      September 15, 2019 10:06am
      - sooty
        
        She will fit in amongst the dirty little perverts at the UN. Like peas in a pod!
        
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        September 15, 2019 10:54am
  - Paulus
    
    Anyway she would not get a Nobel Peace Prize – she has been beaten by a very young Swedish girl.
    
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    September 15, 2019 10:10am
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      So its a choice between an autistic teenager who claims to be able to see Carbon
      
      and a somewhat dim schoolgirl from the Waikato who claims to see nothing.
      
      Tough call.
      
      Maybe the Committee could host a Hug-Off?
      
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      September 15, 2019 10:59am
      - Jack5
        
        Greta Thunberg – a Joan of Dark leading a Green Children’s Crusade.
        
        Greta is a descendant of Svante Arrhenius, an eminent scientist. This, from the web site, famousscientists.org, is relevant:
        
        Controversies regarding the causes of the ice ages led Arrhenius to build the earliest climate model of the influence of atmospheric carbon dioxide, which he presented in “The Philosophical Magazine” in 1896. He therefore became the first scientist to discuss the effect of industrial activity on global warming.
        
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        September 15, 2019 11:32am
Yvette

In a case where a Labour staffer is accused of “digitally raping”[1] a 19-year-old party volunteer, media tell us this –

The draft terms of reference for QC Maria Dew’s investigation, seen by Stuff, are generally limited to the alleged sexual assault and bullying itself, not the party’s process in dealing with them – which has formed a large part of the political scandal engulfing the party.

Some in the Labour council involved in the initial inquiry want to hire a forensic computer expert to prove that they did not receive the serious sexual assault allegations in email form, a person close to the situation said. That person did not want to be named. [2]

‘Obviously, it’s my job to fix this, and I will’ – Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern is pledging to fix the problems caused by the ongoing sexual assault scandal.
“I’ve openly said I’m very willing to meet with the complainants, it’s just a matter of working through what point in the process that will take place. I’m leaving it in their court (sic).” [3]

However, is Ardern’s QC inquiry to somehow investigate the alleged rape, or rehash Labour’s handling of it?

But considering employing a forensic computer expert to establish who knew what and when – to deny contact – then Ardern offering to meet complainants – make contact – is no recognisable process to hear a case of rape. Where the investigator is also “impartial” judge and “impartial” jury, it is all fucking laughable if it was not so simply serious.

This is one instance where the public, the voters and most unfortunate of all: the complainants, are all being fleeced.

[1] term: Daily Mail, UK – Ardern, and the risk to her job as PM achieves international attention
[2] https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/115773503/labour-scandal-terms-of-reference-dont-include-initial-investigation-prompting-council-stoush
[3] https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/rural/2019/09/campaign-for-new-zealand-mini-apple-wins-major-asian-marketing-award.html?ref=ves-nextauto
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September 15, 2019 8:10am
- Yvette
  
  Shorter version –
  If you had the grave misfortune to be raped last night, should you now go to the Police, or try finding Jacinda Ardern’s email address?
  
  Rather nasty, I know, but think about it
  
  Or –
  If you make a legitimate allegation to the Police, they investigate, and in the appropriate circumstances there is a public trial, a jury, a conviction and a sentence, justice.
  
  In the case of a QC inquiry, the QC reports to their employer, who had set the terms of the inquiry then makes their own decision as judge and jury about what happens with the report, and then … well, something … or maybe, nothing …
  
  Or –
  If the Labour staffer accused of “digitally raping” a 19-year-old party volunteer, was paid out on his resignation, was that by the same office that is to now pay a QC to inquire into the circumstances of that alleged crime, once the terms of reference are settled?
  
  Oh, crap – it’s getting longer again
  And the nurse is coming
  
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  September 15, 2019 9:25am
Rich Prick

Prepare for s Neve drenching, Cindy isn’t going anywhere.
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September 15, 2019 8:11am
- CJames
  
  I agree. Ms Ardern isn’t going anywhere as she has nowhere that will pay anywhere near as much. And she needs the money for her lifestyle. Solidarity with the masses only goes so far.
  Labour will brazen it out with their acolytes doing a massive bout of whataboutism. Hairpulling is nowhere near the same league, no matter how hard they try to make it so. They will be also be scouring the scandal drawers trying to find something new in National’s closet.
  
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  September 15, 2019 8:22am
- Charmaine Hawke
  
  She can’t she is all Labour has thanks to Helen Clark taking out anyone competent under her reign.
  It is sad because I think David Shearer could have been a good PM and may have managed to reign in some of the crazies in the party.
  
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  September 15, 2019 8:24am
  - Ruahine
    
    Poor David. Yes I think he was actually a straight up guy. His problem was that he could not remember which lie needed to be told and when to tell it.
    Ergo: he was not suitable to be a Labour politician.
    
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    September 15, 2019 3:31pm
- Wired-one
  
  Or wedding date. So cynical I know, but let’s face it, a new Neve photo or magazine photoshoot always comes days after Ardern the liar is under pressure. Hopefully our media do their job and stay in the fight to expose the truth.
  
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  September 15, 2019 8:47am
  - igm
    
    They must be awaiting Sroubek’s release so he can be best man. Maybe that is why he had Ardern’s personal phone details. What a sordid and disgusting display of power.
    
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    September 15, 2019 9:29am
    - Tall Man
      
      Let’s see… downticks from steffy girl, psycho, r the wanker and martin?
      
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      September 15, 2019 12:31pm
slightlyrighty

So our PM still says that she did not know.

No competent person in her position could not know.

We are left with 2 options. She is a liar or she is incompetent.
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September 15, 2019 8:12am
- Colville
  
  Not or. It’s and.
  
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  September 15, 2019 8:59am
  - Michael
    
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    September 15, 2019 10:40am
- Tall Man
  
  “No competent person”
  
  Nailed it.
  
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  September 15, 2019 12:32pm
kowtow

1984 , rewriting history.

The irony is by chosing “17 C ” they’re still acknowledging western and Christian hegemony.

“Amuseum in the Netherlands has decided to rebrand the period known as the Dutch Golden Age, when artists such as Rembrandt and roaring international trade – but also colonialism and slavery – made the tiny nation one of the world’s leading powers.

The Amsterdam Museum has announced it is going to call items from this collection simply “17th century”….”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/09/14/amsterdam-museum-renames-period-known-dutch-golden-age-recognition/
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September 15, 2019 8:20am
Im Right

Time for a diversion you mean RP? It wouldn’t surprise me, Arden has been missing from the woman’s magazine covers for too long now and wheeling out the baby is always a good political distraction for her.
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September 15, 2019 8:21am
cmm

Advice at the end of a Herald article about a woman claiming rape by Epstein:

Where to get help:

• If it’s an emergency and you feel that you or someone else is at risk, call 111.
• If you’ve ever experienced sexual assault or abuse and need to talk to someone call the confidential crisis helpline Safe to Talk on: 0800 044 334 or text 4334.
• Alternatively contact your local police station
• If you have been abused, remember it’s not your fault.

TO which, should be added:
• Stay away from Lying Labour.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12267663

Labour seem to move in the same circles as Epstein was – above the law and completely immune to investigation and prosecution.

If a Bright Young thing can’t get resolution in the highest offices in the land, then what hope is there for someone lower down the food chain?

The recent events will have shaken the confidence of rape victims in getting resolution through the system. Rape support has surely been set back years, if not decades.
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September 15, 2019 8:25am
- Im Right
  
  But CMM, as long as it’s only males being sacked/let go/resigning the matriarchy will be sated, now if a female is embroiled in the whole scandal will their complacency also demand their stepping down/sacked with the same venom and gusto?
  
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  September 15, 2019 8:31am
- srylands
  
  “Sarah” did not get justice because she did not go straight to the police on the night she was assaulted. The police would have acted quickly and there is a good chance that sufficient forensic evidence could have been obtained to support the prosecution. The alleged perpetrator would have been arrested that night.
  
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  September 15, 2019 8:33am
  - cmm
    
    But Sarah has likely been in Labour since she was a pup. She has been indoctrinated to believe the Party is what matters.
    
    Labour continue to sell the idea that these are Pardy matters t be handled internally. Instead they should be encouraging complainants to go the the police.
    
    Labour is basically Gloriavale with a different god and more sick puppies.
    
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    September 15, 2019 9:45am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Yep, and like other religious cults, the complainants will find that they are ostracised by former”friends” and employment prospects in certain careers and locations will be limited.
      
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      September 15, 2019 10:09am
    - srylands
      
      Where do they draw the line? If he had killed her that night would that have been a Party matter? What if he had raped her and broken her nose? Party matter?
      
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      September 15, 2019 10:13am
      - sooty
        
        No government jobs for you!
        
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        September 15, 2019 10:58am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Labour is basically Gloriavale with a different god and more sick puppies
      
      cmm, you win the internet today!
      
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      September 15, 2019 2:10pm
  - DigNap15
    
    yeah right!
    The police are too busy finding registered guns and guarding some maori stones in Auckland.
    Under their soft cop Bush, they would not dare investigate Labour!
    
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    September 15, 2019 9:57am
  - krazykiwi
    
    I’m sad to say that I have no confidence that any alleged offence by a senior Labour figure, save perhaps cannibalism on live TV, would result is the type of police action that you or I might have visited upon us.
    
    In the past 20 years there have been a slowly accumulating number of examples where Lustitia’s blindfold has slipped, and the politically powerful are benefiting.
    
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    September 15, 2019 2:16pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      Ooops, freudian slip: she is Justita.
      
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      September 15, 2019 2:37pm
- Yvette
  
  For appreciation of the UN and an international audience of that ilk, and cmm, to the dismay of those with shaken confidence of rape victims getting resolution through the system –
  
  Jacinda Ardern has succeeded in one thing this year that I never thought she could and that is in leading the country to a Peak #nzmetoo
  And for the many women especially young women with genuine grievances in the workplace or against men in society for sexual assault, rape and harassment this is the worst thing she could have achieved.
  https://asianinvasion2019.blogspot.com/2019/09/russell-mcveagh-or-jacinda-arderns.html
  
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  September 15, 2019 8:34am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Remind me, how did it end for Epstein?
  
  Badly?
  
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  September 15, 2019 8:36am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    It hasn’t ended yet. He will either “suicide” or will reveal just how willing his “victims” were to take the trip to fame, fortune and riches, which his casting couch represented.
    
    Everybody knew.
    
    I’m picking he will walk once the young chancers are faced with the fact they made very willing choices to enter Babylon in exchange for worldly goods.
    
    So after nearly 100 years of Hollywood Svengalis and moguls treating actors and actresses like sex toys, in exchange for wealth, fame and fortune, we now have to pretend it is a dreadful, awful, surprise.
    
    What is truly ugly about the depravity, is that the whole point is that the wholesome young things willingly trade their innocence to the Satyrs in charge. Who get off on destroying it.
    
    The willing victims then become elevated to the elite, where they perpetuate the abuse.
    
    What’s even stranger, is that these are then the people who take reliably liberal/left wing perspectives on everything.
    
    I do wonder if the drive for social control of others, is linked to the need to exercise sexual power over them too.
    
    Or maybe it’s just that socialists are simply broken people, who cannot see the world except through the prism of power and control.
    
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    September 15, 2019 9:58am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      You know he’s dead right?
      
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      September 15, 2019 10:15am
      - sooty
        
        Did any of the Labour lovies go to visit Epstiens island, I wonder?
        
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        September 15, 2019 11:01am
      - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
        
        Whoops was thinking Weinstein. 🙂
        
        There are so many creepy pervos over there, am losing track.
        
        Of course there is also a theory floating around that Epstein has simply been quietly shipped back to Mossad (where he’s hanging out with Elvis).
        
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        September 15, 2019 11:04am
      - barnacle bill
        
        No Sooty.
        
        It is only the pretentious money men on the Right that hang around their own kind.
        
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        September 15, 2019 11:49am
    - andydownhere
      
      I dont think he will walk. Have you ever seen a dead man walking. I mean, really dead
      
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      September 15, 2019 11:24am
  - freethinker
    
    Just another Arkanside.
    
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    September 15, 2019 12:11pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Seems that Labour are just like the Democrats. The scab has been picked off only to expose the festering sore that they are
  
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  September 15, 2019 8:53am
Shut the hell up you Fascist!

The print Herald this morning is FAR more interested in a beautiful story of young Maori kids learning martial arts.

I would be more impressed if they were learning mathematics (but I’m 60 years old tomorrow).
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September 15, 2019 8:28am
- projectman
  
  I would be more impressed if they engaged in English Language Week.
  
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  September 15, 2019 9:35am
- Tall Man
  
  Happy Birthday…..
  
  Aren’t we Virgos awesome 😉
  
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  September 15, 2019 12:35pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Bryce Edward’s summary of numerous articles on who knew what and when

https://mailchi.mp/criticalpolitics/political-roundup-labours-metoo-political-damage-is-with-their-own-supporters
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September 15, 2019 8:31am
- Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes
  
  a good summary from someone who knows how a PM’s office should run,and how communication between the office and party works. no-one can defend the mule (self mod) communist PM. her supporters may finally be starting to see beyond the annoying head nod, and irritating head tilts – she has over promised and under delivered. no surprises for me, or dare I say any previous customers of the morrinsville fish & chip shop. her entire career has been devoid of substance, much like her fish batter.
  
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  September 15, 2019 8:53am
- Luke Piewalker
  
  MeToo Cindy knew everything
  
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  September 15, 2019 8:55am
  - Tall Man
    
    Metoo becomes Wetoo… Fuck that, now it’s Youtoo.
    
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    September 15, 2019 12:40pm
Happychappy

Jacinda is donkey deep in the Labour Party Staffer sexual assault and all the lies that go with it and most people know that she is running from the truth. Former Prime Minister Helen Clark has had her say backing Jacinda instead of the victims. Now this two faced old bag wants the Russell McVeagh Board to resign over the sexual behavior that happened in their firm.

https://thebfd.co.nz/2019/09/helen-clark-says-board-of-russell-mcveagh-should-resign/
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September 15, 2019 8:39am
- Sacha
  
  Deflection! Deflection!
  
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  September 15, 2019 4:01pm
tranquil

From a Taxpayers’ Union email I’ve received –
“After a tip-off and an official information request, we can now reveal that ActionStation, a left-wing campaign group with close connections to Labour and the Greens, has been receiving taxpayer funding, including a recent $15,000 grant from Netsafe.

ActionStation are as political as it gets. They describe themselves as a “campaign organisation” with “a focus on shifting public opinion and driving the media agenda in order to influence political decisions”. Their vision statement advocates for, among many things, a universal basic income, collective bargaining, new taxes, and increased taxpayer funding for political parties.

The organisation was founded by former Green Party staffers and help out Labour and the Greens during elections. They are even giving fuel vouchers to Ihumātao protestors and financially supporting beneficiaries to move into the campsite!

On Friday we revealed that the group has been receiving taxpayer money to tell New Zealanders how to have “better, safer and more productive conversations online around Māori, refugees, NZ history and Tiriti”. Read more here.

This is despite Netsafe’s claims on its website that it does not fund political organisations.”
– end quote
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September 15, 2019 8:41am
AgainstTheFlow

Tip from a former political staffer:

Later this week someone speaking anonymously ‘on behalf of the victims’ will ask the media to lay off the stories and wait for the QC’s report – because the articles are just ‘re-victimising’ them.
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September 15, 2019 8:46am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  And that is where this Labour government is so brilliant. They will delay delay delay until Joe and Josephine Public are so tired of it that the Labour Government will successfully sweep this extremely sordid matter under the carpet.
  They make Michiavellie (spelling?) look naïve.
  
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  September 15, 2019 9:08am
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  Given that it took media intervention before any action of substance occurred, I should imagine that the victims are quite happy for this to be made public.
  
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  September 15, 2019 10:08am
  - AgainstTheFlow
    
    The spokesperson won’t have any contact with the victims – that is the genius of it: it is an anonymous claim on behalf of unknown people, so no way of checking who is speaking for whom.
    
    Enough journalists will buy it to hush the story. The victims will be pressured to remain silent.
    
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    September 15, 2019 1:14pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Robertson was running with this days ago when he refused to answer any questions about how much he knew
  ”
  I’m going to respect the privacy of the young people involved in this situation,”
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/09/complainants-reveal-details-of-how-much-grant-robertson-nigel-haworth-knew-about-sexual-assault-allegations.html
  
  Now anyone querying Labour MPs etc can be accused of disrespecting the privacy of the complainants etc.
  
  Classic technique to shut up any enquiry into systemic abuse.
  
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  September 15, 2019 2:05pm
Lee C

I’ve said this before: the press have a share of the blame in this.

The Tova’s the Alison’, the Barrys The Johns – all of these characters have been running point for the Brandcinda fairytale since day one, complicit in peddling her vacuous sound-byte nonsense.

Is it any wonder that Ardern managed to convince herself she’d be able to come out in front of the six o’clock news and claim ‘I didn’t know’?

She has been led to believe for the past two years that any brain-fart she emits will be received as if she’s Moses bringing the Ten Commandments.

Their uncritical acceptance of the Jacinda myth has in part enabled this abuse to go unchallenged, undetected and unaddressed. Why?

Because they managed to convince Labour and Ardern that they could literally get away with anything by simply issuing a soundbyte, tilting the head, and emoting that the ‘care’, and the press would swallow it and move on.

Jesus, it was only in the same week that this started to look dodgy the Herald was still running ‘Jacinda and Neve on instagram’ puff-pieces – probably at Labour’s behest!

If these clowns had been doing their jobs and critically challenging the current administration instead of running their PR dressed up as ‘opinion journalism’ (whatever the f**k that means), we might not have got to the stage where the only recourse left to these poor victims was to go to – it for it – Paula Bennett.

Members of the Press – if you are reading this.

In the immortal words of Johnny Rotten:

“Do you ever get the feeling you’ve been had?”
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Lee C

I’ve said this before: the press have a share of the blame in this.

The Tova’s the Alison’, the Barrys The Johns – all of these characters have been running point for the Brandcinda fairytale since day one, complicit in peddling her vacuous sound-byte nonsense.

Is it any wonder that Ardern managed to convince herself she’d be able to come out in front of the six o’clock news and claim ‘I didn’t know’?

She has been led to believe for the past two years that any brain-fart she emits will be received as if she’s Moses bringing the Ten Commandments.

Their uncritical acceptance of the Jacinda myth has in part enabled this abuse to go unchallenged, undetected and unaddressed. Why?

Because they managed to convince Labour and Ardern that they could literally get away with anything by simply issuing a soundbyte, tilting the head, and emoting that the ‘care’, and the press would swallow it and move on.

Jesus, it was only in the same week that this started to look dodgy the Herald was still running ‘Jacinda and Neve on instagram’ puff-pieces – probably at Labour’s behest!

If these clowns had been doing their jobs and critically challenging the current administration instead of running their PR dressed up as ‘opinion journalism’ (whatever the f**k that means), we might not have got to the stage where the only recourse left to these poor victims was to go to – wait for it – Paula Bennett.

Members of the Press – if you are reading this.

In the immortal words of Johnny Rotten:

“Do you ever get the feeling you’ve been had?”
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September 15, 2019 8:52am
- Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes
  
  well said, well said, bravo.
  
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  September 15, 2019 9:02am
- Swifty
  
  Very good Lee C.
  
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  September 15, 2019 10:00am
- plc
  
  It’s “Ever get the feeling you’ve been cheated” – San Francisco, Jan 1978
  
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  September 15, 2019 10:42am
  - niggly
    
    I think Johnny Rotten also predicts the day when Jacinda Ardern decides that she has had enough of being used by the Labour Party and their pubic image campaign called “Brand Jacinda” to keep themselves in power!
    
    You only seen me
    For the clothes that I wear
    Or did the interest go so much deeper
    It must have been
    The colour of my hair
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    What you wanted was never made clear
    Behind the image was ignorance and fear
    You hide behind his public machine
    Still follow the same old scheme.
    ******************************
    Public image you got what you wanted
    The public image belongs to me
    It’s my entrance my own creation
    My grand finale, my goodbye
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIAZ8unRm2c 🙂
    
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    September 15, 2019 2:01pm
- Michael
  
  Lee you are on the button.
  
  I think the media are 50% of the problem.
  
  and should be treated as such.
  
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  September 15, 2019 10:44am
- pb
  
  Agree. Labour is more a creation of the fawning far left media than anything. As the media fails, so too does politics. Yet still, both right and left seek media recognition. Its a circular self referential error. Breaking out of this trap is the key to reforming modern politics. My gut tells me bringing back the prayer to the political process would be a good start.
  
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  September 15, 2019 2:53pm
Mobile Michael

There’s a problem with the Labour sexual assault scandal – without a smoking gun (like an email or memo from Jacinda acknowledging that it was that) it’s not going to get cut through with public.

At best it tarnishes her reputation, along with all the other mini-scandals adding up to damage.

It does feed into the narrative of ‘nice, but naive/incompetent’ that is springing up around Labour. It’s going to tough to shake and I’ve noticed Labour are going all out on National’s record over issues, claiming that all the worsening statistics are their legacy, while any good news is their good management.

My take is that the close out of this year will make or break the Government. More scandals will kill them, if they can keep their Ministers from falling into traps of their own making they’ll survive.

Twyford still remains Labour’s Achilles heel. He’s pissed off most of the country by canceling roading projects for a tram in Auckland that is still 15 years away. And going to be permanently disruptive to traffic in the city.

Little and Hipkins are struggling with their portfolios – hamstrung by their coalition partners and idealogy being out of step with public expectations.

Bridges needs to be smart and roll out policy that deals directly to Labour’s weak points. And land a hammer blow in September 2020 with the most popular middle NZ policies – tax cuts and meaningful health and education outcome based policies.
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September 15, 2019 8:52am
- DigNap15
  
  And a cut back on immigration from third world countries.
  
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  September 15, 2019 10:01am
  - Jack5
    
    And retire Jian Yang!
    
    And sort out a coalition partner!
    
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    September 15, 2019 10:31am
Chuck Bird

An excellent article by HDP. If Labour had achieved some of its election promises this would not be near so damaging.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12267416
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September 15, 2019 8:55am
JibberJabber

It`s only the Left that couldn`t tell that Ardern is an empty vessel, a naked Empress if you will.
If Labour didn`t have double standards they`d have no standards at all.
This “governments” legacy will be one of corruption, incompetence, and sheer Laziness.
There will be plenty of squealing at the Austerity measures the next Govt will have to enact to recover from this clusterF@#k in the foreseeable future.
Winston promised he`d lead us into a recession/depression, probably the only promise he`s kept in his political career.
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September 15, 2019 8:55am
- Ian Boag
  
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  I suppose those austerity measures will bite …
  
  Let’s see the signs – sharemarket is at record high numbers – housing gone a bit flat in Auckland and still on a bit of a tear elsewhere – unemployment at historic low levels – last budget was for a surplus – government debt under control …. inflation and interest rates not at worrisome levels.
  
  The international outlook seems a bit sad and there is not a lot we can do about that. FWIW the last time NZ faced a grim international scene (the GFC), one of the government reactions was to borrow like crazy. Also FWIW that was the right thing to do.
  
  Sure – like all governments – this one is not perfect. For example – like all governments – this one has not caught up with all the costs of the health system.
  
  All this moral stuff is a bit ugly, but it does not seem to be translating into an economic meltdown.
  
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  September 15, 2019 10:24am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Those unemployment numbers are fudged though. So is debt. And I can see that surplus shrinking.
    China is in strife now (Banks are being propped up or left to collapse)and Italy(!) , Spain and Germany don’t look so flash either.
    
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    September 15, 2019 10:55am
    - Ian Boag
      
      I agree that unemployment numbers are fudged. They have been fudged forever. One can only compare like with like … current numbers are not appreciably out of line with the last few years.
      
      The issue of surpluses is a bit above my pay grade. I see (all sorts of people) claiming that when a govt runs a surplus it is taking money out of the economy so it is nothing to brag about. Cullen ran years of surpluses and KB folk cane him for it. English ran a couple and is praised. Robertson budgets for one and gets doubted. Funny old world ….
      
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      September 15, 2019 11:04am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        Take your red-tinted blinkers off Ian.
        
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        September 15, 2019 11:21am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        In lead up to Q2 GDP numbers on Tuesday ANZ estimates annual growth has fallen to <2%, and trending downward.
        
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        September 15, 2019 5:25pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        @Capt
        
        Don’t you do debate if it involves real numbers? I wasn’t pretending that we are in the midst of a boom. I wasn’t pretending to have a crystal ball like some of the enlightened anonymous gutless around here – people happy to spout, but not willing to be identified.
        
        The KB way – forget the ball, take a swing at the man. Collect upticks ….
        
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        September 15, 2019 9:12pm
Northshore

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I share the nationwide disgust that “Sarah” and others were sexually assaulted in a workplace and the employer entered a process which on the surface looked as if it was addressing their complaints but in reality was a whitewash and protected the perpetrator.

I sincerely hope the Labour Party never let this happen again. Jacinda Ardern is doing the right thing in making sure that complaints of this nature are dealt with externally.

While the avalanche of criticism against JA and others is well-deserved, I am asking myself is this a good reason for a NZ government to collapse?
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September 15, 2019 9:01am
- dubya
  
  Straws and camels’ backs come to mind.
  
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  September 15, 2019 9:14am
- lilman
  
  She is hopeless.
  I have seen her lie,run,actually run, from media briefings,differ,obfuscate,pout and all manner of childish behaviour since she became leader of Labour.
  Leaving or Government collapse could only help our country.
  
  She has owned nothing.
  She is a political animal playing the game.
  
  My daughter is being told its ok for her to be abused ,by a female PM, as long as the abuser has stature and that abuse is hidden.
  
  A farce.
  
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  September 15, 2019 9:16am
- Gandolfo
  
  Yes, if it was your daughter that was sexually molested you would demand the resignation of the government her employer.
  
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  September 15, 2019 9:19am
- Chuck Bird
  
  As I said above if Labour had fulfilled some of their election promises then maybe they could be forgiven. They have not fulfilled anything of importance so this is a good reason for this government to collapse.
  
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  September 15, 2019 9:25am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The only part of “The Process” that went wrong is that the complainants didn’t keep it “in House”.
  
  Obviously the Labour Party had/has a well-oiled machine for dealing with complaints.
  
  Even now we are being fed with messages not to interfere with how Jacinda and her coterie are handling the matter.
  
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  September 15, 2019 9:25am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Of course it is.
  The whole charade of excluding the biggest party from Government by forming a shonky secret coalition of losing parties should never have been allowed to happen.
  
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  September 15, 2019 9:31am
  - DigNap15
    
    I know what you mean, but National and Labour both had negotiations with Peters.
    Its just that he chose Labour.
    
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    September 15, 2019 10:03am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      He only chose Labour because he knew he could manipulate the hopeless Ardern. And of course the evil greens were happy to go along for the ride.
      And now look where we are.
      
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      September 15, 2019 10:37am
    - gravedodger
      
      Meanwhile In Germany a nation that has an almost identical electoral system that largest Party has the right to attempt to form a government, Winston and Winston First would not have the power he has grasped, they would have been just further spectators.
      Hell it might have come to pass his minions could have been seduced bypassing all his hatred and michaevalian manipulations.
      
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      September 15, 2019 2:15pm
  - barnacle bill
    
    Get over it CM.
    
    You will die a bitter old man if you don’t let it go.
    
    It happened, there was no legal challenge.
    
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    September 15, 2019 10:47am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      I’m already a bitter old man but I only became one in late 2017.
      And no, I won’t let it go until this ‘Government’ has gone.
      
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      September 15, 2019 11:23am
      - barnacle bill
        
        Good to see that you must have patience of a saint.
        You may need it.
        
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        September 15, 2019 11:38am
    - Tall Man
      
      Ahhh, the cowardly downticker emerges.
      
      There is only one bitter old man and that is “what’s in it for wynston”.
      
      Supporters of this government are only in it for two reasons… 1) they think there’s something extra for them, 2) they hate those who have done better than themselves.
      
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      September 15, 2019 12:57pm
- calendar girl
  
  To “Northshore” at 9:01am above: Yes, it’s a very good reason.
  
  Because nobody could ever rely on PM Ardern “making sure that complaints of this nature are dealt with externally”.
  
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  September 15, 2019 10:05am
- kevn
  
  @North… Externally ? Really? By a QC given a very narrow line of inquiry. It will demonstrate… nothing.
  Just a show for the plebs. The word ‘QC’ fools some folks into thinking an outcome of substance.
  You need to pop over to Cactus Kates blog for a full picture from a very astute legal perspective.
  She has several pages on the seedy caper and the way it is being managed.
  
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  September 15, 2019 10:08am
  - alex Masterley
    
    Cactus Kate hits the nail on the head.
    
    I like the bit regarding the snobbery of having QC lend the light of their countenance to an enquiry as if it makes that enquiry legitmate.
    As a bit of a cynic with over 30 years legal experience I have come to view the appointment of QC’s in this country as a lottery, as some get the appointment because they are not men, some get the appointment through long service, some get the appointment as some sort of good conduct medal and the odd one or two sneak through the process because they are competent.
    The same could be said of appointments to the High Court.
    Cactus Kate’s final paragraph has a rather gnomic comment i found interesting.
    
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    September 15, 2019 10:54am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Oh, so only a bit of raping, lying, hiding and otherwise behaving like scumbags?
  
  All the way to the top, with the PM and her most senior Minister deeply implicated.
  
  Pretty typical labour behaviour then, so no reason why the Government should resign.
  
  But if they super, hope to die, promise nicely it won’t happen again, that makes it ok? and this time we will believe they really, really mean it!
  
  BWUHAHAHAHAHA
  
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  September 15, 2019 10:13am
- rockape
  
  If Labour are lying and two faced and failing to keep the promises on their major platforms ! Yes they deserve to go!
  
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  September 15, 2019 10:30am
- Hacked-Off
  
  Northshore,
  
  Its not that this scandal will bring down the Government by itself. And lets face it its all the rest of the non-delivery that these clowns promised that will do that, its that this has severely dented their only real asset come next election – St Jacinda Adern – if they had any chance (admittedly increasingly slim) of holding the Treasury Benches in 2020. This will gradually recede into the background as the Rugby World Cup, other events and CoL disasters take its place. However, Adern was meant to be honest, different and the new way of politics so much so that Labour and the Greens built her up to be this un-corruptible being sent down from on-high. From now on more will doubt her, ask if she really believes what comes out of her mouth, and remember that this scandal has exposed her as a flawed individual whose Government has been a byword of ineptitude over the last two years. It is a combination of these two factors that will bring down this Government in 2020.
  
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  September 15, 2019 10:39am
- harvey wilson
  
  Jesus Christ you don’t see the fact the country is run by a group of people that turn a blind eye while teenagers are raped and sexually assaulted by MPs and senior staffers as a reason to bring down the government?
  
  What exactly would it take?
  
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  September 15, 2019 10:40am
- Nutta
  
  If the political value of an employee is weighed up and placed ahead of the wellbeing (and this is a wellbeing government) of multiple sexual assault victims, those doing the weighing must go.
  
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  September 15, 2019 11:42am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Go away Northshore. Labour troll
  
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  September 15, 2019 11:58am
  - srylands
    
    You may not agree with what he said, but he is expressing his view politely. IMO he should not be told to go away. This is not The Standard.
    
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    September 15, 2019 12:42pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Your opinion is you opinion, but not mine. He is a Fraser house troll – sent to disrupt
      
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      September 15, 2019 3:45pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        After reading more Northshore posts, I may be wrong. Mistakes were made! (PTPM said it first)
        
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        September 15, 2019 3:54pm
- kloyd0306
  
  What are the odds that Northshore was all for the collapse of government over a ponytail pull.
  
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  September 15, 2019 2:39pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  Yes, because they have proved they can’t be trusted. Can we actually believe anything they say? Once caught lying, trust is virtually impossible to regain. Without trust, they cannot, and should not be in Government.
  
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  September 15, 2019 4:06pm
Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes

that’s right, we’re supposed to believe jacinda is “nice, but dim “
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September 15, 2019 9:11am
- alloytoo
  
  I don’t want a dim PM I want a bloody smart one.
  
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  September 15, 2019 10:19am
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    Does that means you must be going to vote Labour next election then ?
    
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    September 15, 2019 10:50am
    - alloytoo
      
      “Smart”, not “smarmy”
      
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      September 15, 2019 12:50pm
    - Tall Man
      
      If you think that, it reveals your low level mental acumen which explains your support for the current lot.
      
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      September 15, 2019 1:04pm
      - barnacle bill
        
        You are one funny man tallboy.
        
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        September 15, 2019 2:10pm
Im Right

On the face of it North Shore, no!
BUT the PM stated publically on camera that she only knew it was sexual assault on Monday after reading the article in The Spinoff. Now if it transpires there is proof (txt/email) that shows she DID know before Monday then to your question…yes!
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September 15, 2019 9:13am
cas

Took the airport bus to the airport at 8.30am on Friday ( after being in Auckland for F Mac concert). It took 30 min from Queen st to the airport. I bet I couldn’t get there in that time with light rail.

And on Jacinda “I didn’t know” she has been dancing on the head of a pin. Said on Monday the first I read of it…. But she had been told of it a lot earlier.
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September 15, 2019 9:26am
G152

The Nats should name names under Parliamentary privilege as nothing else will get these criminals convicted and the victims redress ..
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September 15, 2019 9:28am
- MCos
  
  That sort of approach cut two ways.
  
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  September 15, 2019 11:09am
- Nutta
  
  No, not without the specific informed approval of the victims of sexual assault.
  
  But yes, agree with your sentiment otherwise.
  
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  September 15, 2019 11:43am
Alan Wilkinson

Complaints of this nature should be dealt with externally by the police, law and courts.

The alternative is a hopeless ad hoc mismash of amateur self-serving kangaroo courts. That is what the feminist Left are blatantly campaigning for – albeit that they are really wanting to take over the Labour party.
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September 15, 2019 9:29am
- MCos
  
  “Complaints of this nature should be dealt with externally by the police, law and courts.”
  You know why women don’t go to the police, don’t you?
  In the vast majority of cases nothing comes of it and if a case does make it to court the victim gets hauled over the coals.
  Look at what happens to the people who accused Bill Cosby, George Pell, Rolf Harris, that Supreme Court judge in America, never mind all those you don’t hear about.
  
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  September 15, 2019 1:11pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    It is in the nature of the crime that it almost always devolves to a he-said-she-said argument. So in the absence of other witness or physical proof of assault it is pretty hard to prove anything beyond a reasonable doubt. It is estimated that 2-10% of rape complaints are false and how do you prove which 2-10% when all you have is attacker/accuser testimony.
    
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    September 15, 2019 5:33pm
Yvette

Christchurch shootings, six months on:
‘You’ll never be able to go back to March 14’

The Arms Legislation Bill having its first reading on September 24. With the National Party criticising how the gun buyback has gone so far and saying the Christchurch Call will achieve nothing, Dr Gillespie hopes political games don’t stand in the way of further action.

“They are us. We are one” a slogan intuitively scribbled on a piece of folded A4 does not really mean any more than the ardent hope that “We will get our men back” whether actually said by a distraught John Key or flustered Garry Knowles.

The Labour sex assault scandal happened almost a year before the Christchurch mosques massacres and it is now six months since those atrocities.

Notice or feel any difference in any approach to things? No?

That is reality, Dr Gillespie
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September 15, 2019 9:31am
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  A small correction. John Key actually said that they would do everything possible to try to get the men back, but acknowledged that they may already be in their final resting place.
  The narrative coming out of Pike River is very quiet lately. I wonder why?
  
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  September 15, 2019 10:13am
  - rockape
    
    They want to keep it quiet till after the election. They cant stand another failed promise.
    
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    September 15, 2019 10:33am
  - Rich Prick
    
    They’ve gone quiet because it turns out Sir John was right all along.
    
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    September 15, 2019 10:52am
  - Sofia
    
    The constant criticism of John Key regarding decisions made after the Pike River Mine explosions are simply not true. Key had the wisdom to admit very publicly that there were some things he knew very little or nothing about.
    He said after the mine explosions “we will get your men out if it is safe to do so”.
    The last part of that statement is usually left out for political purposes.
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12264247
    
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    September 15, 2019 11:11am
  - kevn
    
    @ROW… Might have something to do with the constant flooding of the access mine tunnel? Which will be washing away ‘anything’ in it’s path.
    Convoys of concrete truck in recent times, maybe they are trying divert the water.
    A Big little conscience saving folly.
    
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    September 15, 2019 11:46am
igm

Lead news item ZB: Six months since Chch mosque attack with someone asking “Why Us”?
Well lets look at 9/11 (hardly a mention in MSM here), beheadings, sexual attacks on youngsters, car bombs all around the world . . . need one go on!
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September 15, 2019 9:32am
- The King
  
  Every answer to every question including “why NZ” is literally in the manifesto.
  
  reminder: its not illegal to read the manifesto.
  
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  September 15, 2019 1:11pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    I think it is illegal in NZ. But if you read it on your last/next trip overseas…
    
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    September 15, 2019 5:35pm
harvey wilson

Day 6 now , Alastair Campbell said an mp couldn’t survive 8 days of a scandal and Grant Robertson must be feeling very very worried about how much is coming out about how much he did to protect his creepy rapist mate .
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September 15, 2019 9:35am
- All_on_Red
  
  Hmmm, Grant might be thinking he’s going to end up with the top job…
  
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  September 15, 2019 11:15am
trout

I trust the supporters of the #MeTu movement will be marching on Labour headquarters next week to protest male behaviour as they did to Russell McVeigh. TUI!
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September 15, 2019 9:37am
Doubledimp

I had a financial file corrupted Thursday, so I had to go to a backup from May and have just regenerated 4 months information (but I lost a lot of info that I did not have written down). Remember to backup regularly, folks!
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September 15, 2019 9:44am
- dog_eat_dog
  
  Simple stuff can save the day; forecasts where I am are emailed out to people for review each day. I can only ever lose one day of data. It’s for approval and review purposes but it also gets me out of a jam every now and then.
  
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  September 15, 2019 10:12am
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  Did someone forget to back up Jacinda then?
  
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  September 15, 2019 10:14am
  - Tall Man
    
    Not a lot to back up. I think there’s something scrawled on a piece of dunny paper somewhere in fraser house. Probably overkill but best to be safe eh?
    
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    September 15, 2019 1:09pm
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Since her line of defence is ‘I didn’t know’, it seems she doesn’t want any data in her brain.
    
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    September 15, 2019 6:16pm
  - freethinker
    
    Jacinda was fully backed up by Little & Robertson, unfortunately one was totally corrupted and the other was Malware.
    
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    September 15, 2019 9:12pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  I have client accounting data files which I must have available on demand. My work files for my bio are needed likewise.
  
  All those files are backed up on a free “pCloud Drive” where real time updates occur. That has proved to be the most responsive such backup and free from entanglements. Syncing has been abandoned as unreliable. I also backup up that pCloud folder onto a USB after a work session and do a further image backup of the whole drive at the end of the work day using the free AOMIE Backupper Standard onto a 1tb UBS external drive. Retention of an image backup allows a fast restore of a whole system in extremis. Simple.
  
  I met that situation recently when my laptop fell on the floor and the screen was ruined. The accounts were in a virtual Windows 7 machine in Linux MX-18. 7-Zip allowed the virtual machine files to be retrieved and an old laptop was refreshed and all is going well again. The AOMIE Backupper is very useful as it allows cloning of Windows drives.
  
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  September 15, 2019 2:05pm
Swifty

The reason I believed that this ‘open and transparent’ and ‘never telling a lie in politics’ line from JA and Labour were pure puffery from them?

Cause they lied to us on Day 1:

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/343269/govt-denies-being-hoodwinked-over-speaker-election-vote

Plus of course the hundreds of times they tried to mislead the nation while they were in opposition….. 🙂

‘Ms Ardern rejected the notion that the government had fallen for National’s bluff.’ Bullshit.
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September 15, 2019 9:55am
- Swifty
  
  *sorry, that should read ‘from’ Day 1.
  
  🙂
  
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  September 15, 2019 11:09am
- barnacle bill
  
  Swifty by name.
  
  Swifty by nature.
  
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  September 15, 2019 11:54am
- JibberJabber
  
  “Nationals bluff”, if Labour had any sense of self awareness they`d have realised then they were in WAY over their heads.
  
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  September 15, 2019 12:42pm
Maggie Pie

We noticed this news banner running across SkyAU yesterday –

‘Anthony Albanese remains tight lipped about his meeting with Jacinda Adhern’

What? Why? When? As my partner said, “Don’t tell me shes still on the case of the Manus Island rapefugees!”
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September 15, 2019 9:58am
- Rich Prick
  
  The Labour Party has a senior rapist vacancy.
  
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  September 15, 2019 10:36am
  - marcw
    
    One who apparently was so essential to Labour that the entire party machine and Government saw fit to die in a ditch for.
    
    Now he’s gone anyway …
    
    Has the sky fallen in? Did the sun rise today?
    
    So what was all this great expensive escapade all about then? I am completely at a loss now. Or is there something else that is being covered up too?
    
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    September 15, 2019 11:50am
Northshore

Totally agree that this miserable mess of a government should never have been formed and the sooner it goes the better, but my question is what is the priority here? Clean up the mess – get justice for the girls involved? Or go for the jugular and bring down the government?
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September 15, 2019 10:00am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  The mechanism chosen – QCs hired by labour and operating under client privilege is the exact mechanism that will ensure Justice will never be gained for the victims.
  
  The only way is for the Government to demand that the Police investigate. This is a criminal matter, not an internal party game of pass the parcel.
  
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  September 15, 2019 10:15am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    That lawyering up seems to be the essence of obstruction of justice. The PM and her government have a duty to uphold and promote the upholding of the laws of NZ.
    Some of the MP’s have the status of Member of the Executive Council. These are HM’s Ministers.
    They have disgraced themselves in not upholding their high Office and all should resign forthwith or the Governor General intervene accordingly.
    
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    September 15, 2019 2:15pm
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  In the words of the girl from the El Paso ads, “Why can’t we have both?”
  
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  September 15, 2019 10:16am
- marcw
  
  The two are not mutually exclusive.
  
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  September 15, 2019 11:51am
calendar girl

Both objectives are important, and neither excludes the other.
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September 15, 2019 10:08am
kevn

It is an omnishambles from any point of view…
whinney awol, greens awol. Zero comment from them. The victim (one of many) had to go to a Nat rather than any of the (very vocal when it suits) metoo crew in the CoL.
The whole CoL philosophy is screwed up. labour especially.
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September 15, 2019 10:21am
Maggy Wassilieff

A must listen – Mediawatch 15 September.
From 0.48 – 13.41
https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/mediawatch/audio/2018713324/mediawatch-for-15-september-2019

Explains why the Wellington media folk have been reluctant to run with much of the who knows story

Matthew Hooton in devastating form on the Jacinda Cult and Left-wing State-owned media hacks.
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September 15, 2019 10:36am
- kevn
  
  @Maggy… Thank you for the link.
  When the worm turns it really goes hard.
  ‘Woke, liberal ardern cult’.
  Yep, couldn’t disagree with that.
  
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  September 15, 2019 10:56am
- Swifty
  
  Glorious.
  
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  September 15, 2019 11:08am
- Jack5
  
  A good link, Maggy.
  
  Hooton is right that the news media – not just the State media – have a vested interest in keeping Jacinda in power.
  
  At the weekend, the Stuff Saturday newspapers were stuffed with Leftist columnists padding out Maori-language-week promotion. They were squeezing out space for the Labour sexual assault crisis.
  
  It was interesting to hear in your link Hooton say the Spinoff was run by Jacinderella’s “Grey Lynn luvvie friends”. So the feminists must be powering the Spinoff coverage.
  
  Hooton says the “Left wing daily media – the majority of the media” have a vested interest in the re-election of the present government.
  
  Could that interest be a move to seek a State-subsidised print media? This seems to have begun with a group of State-funded reporters supplying Stuff, the NZME (Herald) chain, and State-owned media. The scheme’s being run through Radio NZ.
  
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  September 15, 2019 11:17am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Could that interest be a move to seek a State-subsidised print media?
    
    I think it was always meant to be a State-funded multi-media machine, run by Jacinda’s mates..
    
    but it went off the rails when Clare Curran ballsed-up the digital Chief Technical Officer – Derek Handley appointment
    
    https://www.digital.govt.nz/news/government-signals-chief-technology-officer-a-priority-appointment/
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/107080064/derek-handley-receives-compensation-after-being-dumped-as-chief-technology-officer
    
    and her coffee-date with Carol Hirschfeld
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/102629616/anatomy-of-a-resignation–how-a-cup-of-coffee-led-to-carol-hirschfelds-resignation
    
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    September 15, 2019 1:37pm
plc

There is a popular game on the net that the youngsters play.

“WOULD YOU RATHER?”

So would you rather

1) Have your pony tail pulled by the Prime Minister; or

2) Be digitally raped by a staffer from the PM’s office for 15 minutes?

Now talk to me about “Whataboutism”.
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September 15, 2019 10:36am
The worm that turned

Time for Nicky Hagar to put together a history of Labours sex abuse coverups. Let’s revisit the Darren Hughes coverup and Phil Goff, Annette King and others role in this disgraceful whitewash of what happened to a 18 yr old grown man (was youth until the media changed the narrative after a few days). Peter Davis? Am sure others can add to the list. Alison Mau we’re waiting….
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September 15, 2019 10:42am
- sooty
  
  Labour have plenty of experienc of covering things up. Just not of stopping things happening!
  Dirty little deviats!
  
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  September 15, 2019 11:21am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Hagar is getting a nice fat paycheck from Coalition, so won’t be shitting where he eats.
  
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  September 15, 2019 5:39pm
  - freethinker
    
    I am reliably informed that Hagar is working on a book titled Labours Sex Scandals, due for release in 2099.
    
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    September 15, 2019 9:23pm
- igm
  
  No, the little jerk will be attacking Simon Bridges’ handling of JLR, he will not touch his left-wing comrades.
  
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  September 15, 2019 6:29pm
Jack5

Christchurch Kiwibloggerites should take interest in where their redmail rates money is going:

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/398811/christchurch-library-s-new-green-connection-pod-unveiled
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September 15, 2019 10:44am
- srylands
  
  Well there are a bunch of roads in the city and inner suburbs that are uneven, with patched potholes. Perhaps these could be fixed before we get to green pods.
  
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  September 15, 2019 12:47pm
BeaB

Who is paying for this Confusion of QC’s?
Why is Jacinda so enthralled by lawyers. How many time has she said QC in the past week?
I thought that after the sex assaults on young Labour members (whoops), she told us she was demanding regular reports from her parliamentary and party teams on any issues.
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September 15, 2019 11:12am
Maggie Pie

My partner shot back down to the Waikato early this morning to check on the crops.
He just txt to say the neighbor was telling him there’s a huge ‘Anti-Labor Tractor Protest’ being planed up and down the country

Can’t blame the poor farmers with the way they’ve been treated 🙁 Watch this space….
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September 15, 2019 11:27am
- sooty
  
  Best thing to do is organise a tractor rally on that day going the opersite way!
  
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  September 15, 2019 4:25pm
tranquil

**Outstanding** must-see presentation here by Patrick Moore in which he **demolishes** the “climate change” scare over CO2 –
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFHX526NPbE

It includes a number of *great* graphs that blow the CO2 bogeyman out of the water once and for all.
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September 15, 2019 11:31am
Biscuit

Sobering thought time…

If Jassy comes a cropper electorally – like Auntie Helen – and then – again like Auntie Helen – misses out on the plum UN post she apparently covets, what would she do?

Why, she’d come back here and – yep, following Auntie Helen again – set up a Foundation…

Clarke would Chair the board, natch.

Neve would be Chair-in-Waiting

And Jass would bore us all rigid for years to come with her excuses (‘I trusted other people too much’) and her regrets (‘In my 27th term I was going to introduce a CGT no matter what’)…
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September 15, 2019 11:52am
infused

stupid nz media saying oil is going to hit 100ba barrel. its 60usd. us say it will rise 10.
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September 15, 2019 12:12pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Yemen has gotten irritated about the Saudis, with USA and Brits help, bombing it and retaliated by drone attacks on a refinery. About ½ the Saudi production is affected.
  
  Another school has it that the Saudi have engineered it to help their oil price with their Aramco shares IPO shortly.
  
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  September 15, 2019 2:25pm
- secondcumming
  
  The attack has taken out 50% of Saudi Aramco’s daily production.
  
  Depending on the extent of the damage, it will be interesting to see what effect this will have on SA’s upcoming $2,000,000,000,000 IPO
  (YEP…thats Trillion 😎 )
  
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  September 15, 2019 2:42pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Fuel prices? I think we are going to feel pain…
    
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    September 15, 2019 3:11pm
  - infused
    
    it’s 5% of world production.
    
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    September 15, 2019 5:52pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  That is nearly NZD$100 a barrel given how far NZD has fallen sine Coalition came to power.
  
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  September 15, 2019 5:41pm
JibberJabber

The Leader of The Labour Party was a poisoned Chalice when they were Opposition, now that they are in power it is pure Faustian koolaid and they`re all desperate to sup it.
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September 15, 2019 12:36pm
wreck1080

This 10 year old apartment block at the Mount …. just got completely covered in plastic sheeting.

https://goo.gl/maps/VKFE3DvasFSxpwacA

New building regs were introduced 5 years before this… very worrying that this type of thing is still going on. I just wouldn’t buy an apartment in new zealand.
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September 15, 2019 12:43pm
- Tall Man
  
  Having been involved on the outside of apartment construction and conversions I wouldn’t touch one with a barge pole.
  
  A couple of architects we work with have stated the same opinion, even with those they have had some involvement with.
  
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  September 15, 2019 1:16pm
- Rodney Randall
  
  https://www.tate.org.uk/art/artists/christo-905/lost-art-christo-and-jeanne-claude
  
  Maybe Christo and Jeanne-Claude are in town?
  
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  September 15, 2019 1:26pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    [i blame the mods for this ]
    
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    September 15, 2019 2:01pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Are you sure it’s not another art installation by Christo & Jeanne-Claude?
  
  LOL!!!!
  
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  September 15, 2019 1:33pm
- All_on_Red
  
  10 years might mean it’s due for repainting. They usually do that every 7-10 years.
  But your concerns are valid. There’s only a few Developers I’d buy one off.
  As for the rest, it’s not if they will leak but when…
  
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  September 15, 2019 1:39pm
- DigNap15
  
  Branz and all the head honchos need sacking.
  They are nearly as incompetent as Ardern
  
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  September 15, 2019 7:30pm
- fernglas
  
  The way OSH is these days, they are probably about to replace a window latch.
  
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  September 15, 2019 8:48pm
Maggie Pie

My partner just txt: ‘Sunny Bill to be ruled out of World Cup due to injury”.
I respond “So who gves a fcuk?”
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September 15, 2019 2:07pm
Maggy Wassilieff

FYI: NZ Labour Party – Sexual abuse policy

https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/nzlabour/pages/3956/attachments/original/1561085927/Policy_for_Sexual_Harm_Prevention_and_Response_-_April_2019.pdf?1561085927
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September 15, 2019 2:23pm
- nasska
  
  From Maggy’s link:
  
  …..”Dates: Creation: November 2018 Approval: April 2019 In Effect: June 2019 “…..
  
  Probably Cindy’s lot haven’t got around to reading it yet.
  
  But I’ve kept a file copy. The way info on the www that may be prejudicial to this administration has disappeared during the past week web links are sometime things.
  
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  September 15, 2019 2:47pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Fuck great minds think alike!.
    
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    September 15, 2019 3:10pm
    - sooty
      
      Created nov 2019,
      Approved april 2019, 6months.
      In effect june 2019, 2months.
      Not in any rush were they!
      Even with the sex camp happening,
      Twiddling, while kids are abused!
      
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      September 15, 2019 4:18pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  That is a pretty detailed and comprehensive Sexual Abuse Policy.
  
  8.3.2 If a complaint is made or information provided to a person other than the General
  Secretary, that person has a duty to report it to the General Secretary or other appropriate
  person as soon as possible by any method.
  
  Oops…
  
  Notice the dates
  
  Dates:
  Creation: November 2018
  Approval: April 2019
  In Effect: June 2019
  Review:
  How many balls ups were made just in terms of not following their newly signed of Policy?
  
  Amateurs. Yet they are deciding legislation for 4.5 million people.
  
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  September 15, 2019 3:09pm
- Hollyfield
  
  I read points 1.1, 1.2 and 1.3, they have failed to follow all three of those points so decided not to waste my time reading any further. But definitely a document worth keeping!
  
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  September 15, 2019 7:18pm
igm

Seems these mosque people forget what their brethren are doing worldwide daily.
Shame on Fairfax for allowing abject rubbish such as this to be promoted as news.
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September 15, 2019 2:24pm
- igm
  
  Forgot to add this piece of garbage:
  https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/115717146/mosque-hero-abdul-aziz-begged-police-for-15-minutes-in-cell-with-gunman
  
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  September 15, 2019 6:33pm
graham

Maggy made a great comment yesterday that I hadn’t previously considered:

https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/09/garner_on_mud_sticking.html#comment-2557569

Speaks volumes that the complainants chose not to go to Marama Davidson, Jan Logie, Chloe Swarbrick or Golriz Ghahraman.

Indeed. The Green Party – who are known as much, if not more these days for their social posturing, support of the underdog, and fighting for women’s rights, than for their environmental credentials – have been well and truly rejected by victims of alleged sexual assaults in favour of Paula Bennett.

And Julie Anne Genter – the Minister for Women! – has also been roundly ignored by these complainants.

The Green Party are well and truly tainted by their unwillingness to speak up on this issue.
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September 15, 2019 3:27pm
- cmm
  
  The very fact that Greens, and WInnie, have said nothing means they are willing to enable Labour for a whiff of power.
  
  DPF assures us James Shaw is “a nice guy”. I am not convinced.
  
  Nice guys do not enable people like these.
  
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  September 15, 2019 4:17pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  They will run with the excuse being promoted over at the Standard that they do not “politicise” sexual abuse.
  
  Look at The Standard running an entire posting on National do it too… painting Paula Bennett as some devious agent…
  https://thestandard.org.nz/nationals-double-standard/
  
  In fact one poster over there is accusing National and the media of committing “emotional rape” of Jacinda Ardern.
  
  Anything but acknowledge the corruption amongst their masters and mistresses.
  
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  September 15, 2019 5:52pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Can you explain “Emotional Rape”?
    
    I googled it and found this
    
    What is Emotional Rape?
    Put simply, emotional rape is an intentional systematic act of violence on a person’s emotions. I realize that calling it emotional rape is an extremely brutal term, but that is the harsh reality of it.
    
    Your psyche is under vicious attack, and you become psychologically captive. More often than not, you won’t notice what’s going on while it’s happening because the emotional abuse starts off so subtly.
    
    https://freedomfromnarcissisticandemotionalabuse.weebly.com/blog/emotional-rape
    
    Calling out Jacinda’s incompetence at best, and lying at worst, is not “an intentional systematic act of violence on a person’s emotions”.
    
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    September 15, 2019 6:11pm
All_on_Red

Westminster Voting Intention:

CON: 37% (+2)
LAB: 25% (=)
LDM: 16% (-1)
BXP: 13% (=)
GRN: 2% (-1)
UKIP: 1% (=)

Via @OpiniumResearch.
Changes w/ 5-6 Sep.
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September 15, 2019 3:39pm
Northshore

I have been outside most of the day, and it is hard to stay in the thread of a conversation, which is why I really post. I noticed somebody called me a “Labour Troll” which is definitely not correct.
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September 15, 2019 3:42pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  That was me Northshore. I was wrong, I think.
  I apologise. I don’t always get it right, and own my own shit.
  
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  September 15, 2019 5:32pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Some fuckhead downticked that? You are a sad human
    
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    September 15, 2019 5:59pm
    - rightoverlabour
      
      Probably a Tribal labour Rapist in training
      
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      September 15, 2019 6:07pm
theoldbloke

I have just read Stuff Online.

What a load of bollocks.
It seems that the Editor in Chief is a fully indoctrinated Climate Alarmist.

For the last 8 or 9 years I have been trying to wade thru the various for and against arguments for the MAN MADE climate change.

I am still not convinced of either position.

But what I am 100% convinced of is that the Science is NOT settled.

The STUFF policy of only promoting the Climate Alarmists point of view stomps all over the journalistic integrity of its predecessors at the Dominion and Evening posts. Who had Editors who were worthy of the title.

The Current Editor in Chief needs replacing with a real Editor..in my view…

We trust the populace to be subject to all sorts of crap before an election in the name of democracy.

But STUFF is not willing to apply the same rules on the subject of Climate Change.

How pathetic.
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September 15, 2019 3:53pm
- DigNap15
  
  Yes and they have the cheek to say they welcome debate. But will not accept any Fake Hoaxers and Climate Denialists
  (Do they spend all day deraing up new terms)
  
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  September 15, 2019 7:26pm
Skinny White Boy

Yes, the well connected alleged, is, non-white, more a beige, or perhaps… err,, ‘IPA’ in hue?
Not so sure about the shade of the Labour camp perp, rumoured son of a rather rotund MPs partner, , dots should be able to be joined?
More ‘sunlight’ from the spinoff tomorrow? Oh dear
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September 15, 2019 4:09pm
slightlyrighty

Stuff is pushing the line that the PM is going to lead the culture change within Labour.

Wasn’t the PM also going to do something about fuel prices?

Have, you seen how much a Liter of 91 is in Wellington?
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September 15, 2019 4:26pm
- tranquil
  
  “…the PM is going to lead the culture change within Labour.”
  
  Bwahahahaha! There’s a Tui ad right there.
  Yeah, riiiiiiiiiiiiiight……. and Air New Zealand will replace all of its aircraft with pigs……
  
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  September 15, 2019 4:45pm
  - mtamati
    
    Speaking of Tui, is Skinny White Boy’s reference to IPA … India Pale Ale?
    
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    September 15, 2019 8:09pm
- rockape
  
  It will be 10 cents more next week!
  
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  September 15, 2019 7:55pm
Skinny White Boy

She has succeeded only in dividing the nation
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September 15, 2019 5:50pm
rightoverlabour

Michael Mann Madness

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcAHdmYs0j0
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September 15, 2019 6:41pm
Fisiani

Cheer up, At least Celtic have played 5 games, won all five and sit atop the Scottish League. Situation normal.
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September 15, 2019 7:03pm
DigNap15

I just on Trademe that Matthew Hooten says he has seen the latest UMR poll, and its not looking good for Labour, especially as it was taken before Monday.
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September 15, 2019 7:28pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Speaking of polls, why is the latest Newshub one so late?
  Have they run out of budget, or are they waiting for the Princess to return from the UN with a new layer of stardust?
  
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  September 15, 2019 9:25pm
Maggy Wassilieff

How to fix a tattered reputation:

Hire an expensive female.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/sep/14/fixing-tattered-reputation-like-harvey-weinsteins-dirty-work-pays-well
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September 15, 2019 7:56pm
Hugh Pavletich

Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/09/links-16-september-2019/#comment-3485824

NEW ZEALAND …

(Deputy Leader of the Opposition) Paula Bennett to Jacinda Ardern: Come clean on Labour staffer’s payout – NZ Herald

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12267845

The review into Labour’s handling of complaints against an ex-staffer must put Jacinda Ardern and Grant Robertson under scrutiny for what they knew and how they responded, National’s deputy leader Paula Bennett says. … read more via hyperlink above …
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Jacinda Ardern ‘absolutely can’t stay in the job’ if she lied – Paula Bennett | Newshub

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/09/jacinda-ardern-absolutely-can-t-stay-in-the-job-if-she-lied-paula-bennett.html
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John Armstrong’s opinion: Are we witnessing the beginning of the end of Ardern’s administration? | 1 NEWS NOW | TVNZ

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/john-armstrongs-opinion-we-witnessing-beginning-end-arderns-administration
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September 16, 2019 3:13am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/09/links-16-september-2019/#comment-3485945
  
  Janet … This is way way more serious …
  
  … David Farrar of Kiwiblogs perspective this morning …
  
  Why did Labour work so hard to protect the staffer? … David Farrar … KiwiBlog
  
  https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/09/why_did_labour_work_so_hard_to_protect_the_staffer.html
  
  As someone who spent many years working in Parliament, and even longer alongside those who do, I know a fair bit about how political issues are managed, or mismanaged.
  
  Anyone who thinks the PM’s senior staff and Grant Robertson were not meeting regularly over at least the last six weeks on how to deal with this scandal is naive. They would have known exactly what is alleged, because they’re not that incompetent. They would have briefed the PM, but possibly not in full detail to give her some plausible deniability. The notion they were leaving this all to the Party President to sort out is risible. I know these people. They are not morons. There is no way they were not dealing with this issue as a priority.
  
  The real question is why didn’t they decide the staffer had to go six weeks ago when this went public, or even in the months before that as they learnt about the complaints. … read more via hyperlink above …
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  If Farrar of Kiwiblogs perspective is anywhere near the mark, how do you expect Jacinda Ardern to remain as Prime Minister ?
  
  My view is that Jacinda Ardern is a goner.
  
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