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Yvette

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 Labour sex assault claims: What did PM Jacinda Ardern’s staff know? 
More jobs on line? PM tight-lipped 
Severe toll: Labour staffer quits, denies swirling claims

Typical headlines that now swomp the media, but there is still one I have not seen, and I challenge anyone to produce a link or evidence that such a headline exists –

PRIME MINISTER JACINDA ARDERN CONFIRMS THAT THE POLICE ARE ACTIVELY INVESTIGATING THE ALLEGED SEXUAL ASSAULT ‘SARAH’ CASE

Can anyone – the 19-year-old volunteer ‘Sarah’, any politician (not Davis), the Speaker, or the Police Commissioner – confirm whether the Police are investigating this particular alleged crime as detailed in the Spinoff.

New Zealand Labour faces sexual assault crisis as Jacinda Ardern sets up [another] inquiry.
PM says she found out allegation against party staffer was of a sexual nature only from reading media report
New Zealand Police have been contacted for comment. – the Guardian, UK [1]

Well, the Guardian and their international readers are not the only ones waiting for the New Zealand Police to comment.

Ardern, after telling resigned Labour President Haworth it was inappropriate for him to investigate a sex assault, is now setting terms of reference for her own inquiry, while kiwiblog host David Farrar points out it is –

513 days after “Sarah” informed someone working for Labour of her alleged sexual assault by a staffer in Jacinda Ardern’s office

– and the someone Sarah informed was solicitor Maria Berryman “who specialises in sexual abuse investigations” [2] and led the wide-reaching review into activities at the Labour summer camp 2018 – the first failed sex offence review with Ardern as Labour Leader.

17 Apr 2018 Sarah informs Berryman of her allegation of sexual assault by the Ardern staffer
– The full Labour scandals timeline, kiwiblog, yesterday (day 512)

[1] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/10/new-zealand-labour-faces-sexual-assault-crisis-as-jacinda-ardern-sets-up-inquiry
[2] https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/102409863/labour-party-review-of-sexual-assault-handling-to-take-up-to-three-months
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September 13, 2019 8:03am
- cmm
  
  More importantly, is anyone investigating the cover up?
  
  Dig enough and there is almost certainly some witness tampering and iterfering with justice – themselves crimes punishable with 7 years.
  
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  September 13, 2019 8:22am
- KevO'Brien
  
  There will be obstruction of justice charges for the Police to consider too. Possibly a conspiracy to obstruct justice.
  
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  September 13, 2019 8:24am
  - 453mm
    
    Those will go in the same file as all those pesky Electoral Finance Act complaints, unfortunately.
    
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    September 13, 2019 10:27am
- Sofia
  
  Kirton, the second-to-last Labour President, took about a month to tell Ardern of the summer camp assaults.
  
  This time, with Ardern claiming to have found out only last Monday, from the Spinoff article, the seriousness of the present controversy, it is utterly spectacular the number of people who have known of the alleged assault, but have not told her what she, in her position, should have known any case.
  
  In the first case (a month) and now even more so, (utterly more so apparently: 16 months, 22 days since Sarah told the Berryman inquiry), why has everyone avoided telling Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern, Labour Party Leader?
  
  Is there no greater way to indicate a lack of confidence in someone, than simply to not confide in them?
  
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  September 13, 2019 10:05am
  - 453mm
    
    Sofia raises an interesting point. Hanlon’s Razor states Never attribute to malice, that which can be attributed to incompetence.
    
    If Ardern was not informed (due to lack of confidence), it is because she is incompetent.
    
    If Ardern was informed – and did nothing – it is because she is malicious.
    
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    September 13, 2019 10:33am
  - cmm
    
    “Is there no greater way to indicate a lack of confidence in someone, than simply to not confide in them?”
    
    No, it is worse than that.
    
    It is to maintain plausible deniability.
    
    When the shit hits the fan some staffer goes under the bus – not Ardern.
    
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    September 14, 2019 7:11am
- rightoverlabour
  
  I am not sure about New Zealand law, but if a crime is committed that is serious are the police not obliged to investigate whether the victim wants an investigation or not? this was attempted Rape. Rape in South Africa in the 70s carried the Death Penalty. It was considered a serious crime. What’s the situation here?
  
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  September 13, 2019 10:05am
  - cmm
    
    A lawyer can correct me, but anyone can charge anyone with a crime. It does not have to be the victim and it does not have to be done via the police.
    
    The police will also consider their chances of securing a conviction. If the star witness of a rape (the victim) refuses to make a complaint and be a witness then they have a huge problem with evidence etc.
    
    But there also appear to be other crimes going on here, especially obstructing justice and witness tampering. No victim required. The cops should be investigating this.
    
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    September 13, 2019 1:14pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  Ardern Must Go.
  
  Irrelevant whether the Police would find enough evidence for a trial. Irrelevant even whether ‘Sarah’ was a National spy prepared to face charges of defamation by making false allegations (some Twitter idiots are claiming this).
  
  Ardern claimed that the first time she knew there were sexual assault *allegations* was via the Spinoff article.
  
  Either she is a disgusting liar and not fit to be PM.
  
  Or she was incompetently ignorant of allegations that were well known to her staff and the media – and is not fit to be PM.
  
  The End
  
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  September 13, 2019 11:20am
slightlyrighty

I’ll get the popcorn.
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September 13, 2019 8:05am
- G152
  
  Make sure that its a VERY large bag of popcorn and is a multi buy so you will have sufficient for the next few years
  
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  September 13, 2019 8:23am
- sooty
  
  You will need a big bucket.
  
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  September 13, 2019 8:36am
- stigie
  
  I have a truck load arriving later tonight !~
  
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  September 13, 2019 9:57am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Yeah bro, dream on. Cindy will escape unscathed and MSM will soon be praising her for her decisive leadership.
  
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  September 13, 2019 10:09am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Not this time. She had been an icon of empathy and female achievement for naive women but cannot possibly recover from this.
    
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    September 13, 2019 11:25am
Happychappy

Andrea Vance on how to make a problem worse.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/115746984/who-knew-what-and-when-on-labour-abuse-scanda
Jacinda just digging the hole deeper and deeper.
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September 13, 2019 8:05am
- niggly
  
  OMG – from the article:
  
  In February (2019), the party formally agreed to look into the staffer’s behaviour. This had to be signed off by its 22-member New Zealand Council. Ardern and deputy leader Kelvin Davis are both on the council, but have not responded to questions about whether they were party to the decision.
  
  Again Ardern (and Kelvin Davis) are donkey-deep in the “coverup” of pretending they (Ardern) didn’t know about it until a few days ago when Ardern supposedly first heard about it whilst reading The Spinoff (and as for Kelvin Davis who said two days ago in Parliament in te reo that these were all “rumors” well what a rape-culture enabling a**hole).
  
  C’mon it’s clear that Labour’s senior Minister’s (eg Robbo, Ardern, deputy Davis etc) knew for a long, long time that there were sexual assaults. This really is not a good look for them …
  
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  September 13, 2019 8:57am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    It seems it really is a conspiracy–“We’ll just keep the Police out”.
    
    Doesn’t the Government have the duty to uphold the law and not substitute it’s probable illegal cack-handed attempt to divert attention off Party Officials?
    Government here must include the heads of the Party too,
    
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    September 13, 2019 10:55am
  - rockape
    
    In his case its probably a “cultural thing”
    
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    September 13, 2019 11:44am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Vance is a Labour poodle. Wait for her to write a puff piece about how an innocent Cindy was kept in the dark by her “staff”.
  
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  September 13, 2019 10:09am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    OK then, totally incompetent Cindy:
    Ardern Must Go.
    
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    September 13, 2019 11:29am
Right of way is Way of Right

2 resignations already, how many more to come I wonder….
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September 13, 2019 8:06am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  We only need one more, two if we get lucky and, poof!, they’re gone!
  
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  September 13, 2019 8:20am
  - igm
    
    The chubby chops woofter must be looking at his chances to lead the leeches now.
    
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    September 13, 2019 8:42am
    - Tricati
      
      I suspect he is donkey deep in this shambles so may not want to put his head up to high.
      
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      September 13, 2019 11:22am
- harvey wilson
  
  6 resignations already.
  
  Stuff have finally turned on them
  
  The standard have finally admitted it’s not a false flag from National
  
  5 days in and if anything it’s escalating.
  
  #timesuplabour
  
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  September 13, 2019 8:26am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  If you are expecting Cindy’s, dream on bro.
  
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  September 13, 2019 10:10am
  - Paulus
    
    No Cindy should not resign – let her get deeper in the mire and we can cheer more loudly when she and Labour get the big boot at the next election.
    It will be her fault.
    and Peters
    
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    September 13, 2019 1:59pm
Maggie Pie

I know this might sound silly, but I was wondering if stephieboy’s no-show here over the last few days, could in any way be linked to Nige’s resignation?

[My offer still stands that he can stalk ME if he wants 🙂 ]
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September 13, 2019 8:08am
- Brian Marshall
  
  Fraser house is too busy with cover up planning to tell their resident trolls what to think and say Maggie.
  
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  September 13, 2019 9:12am
- Gravelroad
  
  And no sign of Psycho Milt – too busy dissembling on the Standard?
  mikeandmildagain and muttonbird seem a distant memory. Only R occasionally flying the comrades flag.
  
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  September 13, 2019 9:30am
- rockape
  
  Funny there have been a couple of pictures recently, group photos, one of them shows a muslim bearded type, could that be Stephie?
  
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  September 13, 2019 11:47am
Maggy Wassilieff

If Jacinda had just learnt of the degree of nastiness of the complaints on Monday, I would have expected her to be in with guns blazing trying to clear the rot from Labour.
But she isn’t. Her ducking and diving and hiding behind the useless men in Labour speaks volumes.
She’s only concerned with protecting her own patch.
She’s not a Leader.

Jacinda Ardern’s explanations not good enough
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12267280
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September 13, 2019 8:15am
- Yvette
  
  Maggy, She’s not a Leader
  or, to use a slogan, as she uses slogans –
  “Has Ardern ever acted on anything, or just reacted to everything?”
  
  The Guardian, UK tells the world …
  Ardern under pressure as staffer accused of sexual assault quits.
  New Zealand prime minister facing questions as to when she first found out about claims.
  
  The allegations are the worst crisis to face Ardern since she took office in 2017, not least for her strong focus on women’s and young people’s rights.
  
  Speaking last year at the UN general assembly, she said the #MeToo movement must become “we too”.
  
  Ardern told the assembly: “It seems surprising that in this modern age we have to recommit ourselves to gender equality, but we do. And I for one will never celebrate the gains we have made for women domestically, while internationally other women and girls experience a lack of the most basic of opportunity and dignity.” https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/12/jacinda-ardern-under-pressure-staffer-accused-sexual-assault-resigns
  
  See? – say silly simplistic crap at the UN and it can return big time to bite you in the bum.
  She should think before she says much more next visit.
  
  (In the interests of transparency, honesty and integrity, Guardian writer Eleanor Ainge Roy contributes from Dunedin, also home to Ben Affleck – the other Ben Affleck)
  
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  September 13, 2019 8:34am
  - tf78
    
    Yvette – she may have to cancel her UN visit due a measles epidemic back home in NZ.
    
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    September 13, 2019 8:55am
    - Paulus
      
      But isn’t she going to Tokyo for the World Cup first before to the UN in New York ?
      
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      September 13, 2019 2:02pm
  - Rich Prick
    
    It brings me great joy to see Cindy’s vacuous bumper slogans coming back to bite her in the arse. #wetoo was always a guilt collectivisation trip, and it’s funny how all the guilt is now shat on her doorstep. Good job.
    
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    September 13, 2019 8:59am
    - alex Masterley
      
      I am going to be fatter than “Fat Bastard” with all the popcorn I am eating watching all this unfold
      
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      September 13, 2019 9:02am
  - LTA1955
    
    Always remember her standing in the Parliamentary Press Gallery with Shawsie, the Piecart, and Jonesie, announcing the shutdown of the Oil and Gas permits. The three blind mice couldn’t believe their luck that she could be so dumb to actual do this. Even Jones face palmed himself to prove the point. Today she proved she is haplessly compromised and incompetent. The Morrinsville fish & chip shop would now file her resume under FFS
    
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    September 13, 2019 10:30am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    “She should think before she says much more next visit.”
    
    What ‘next visit’? Ardern has proven that she is either totally incompetent (really didn’t know) or malicious (did know and has lied).
    
    Ardern Must Go.
    
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    September 13, 2019 12:14pm
- Happychappy
  
  Jacinda is to thick to realize that there is two types of attention good and bad. Jacinda is a attention seeker that thinks her popularity will outlast the negative press that she is receiving.
  
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  September 13, 2019 8:47am
- AgainstTheFlow
  
  Thing is, she acts like the Labour Party is something she is only tangentially involved in because she was at a few meetings.
  
  Certainly not anything she has any standing in or authority over.
  
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  September 13, 2019 8:51am
Ultima

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern calls for ‘Me Too’ to become ‘We Too’
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/107445180/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-calls-for-me-too-to-become-we-too

Give me the vomit bucket please.
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September 13, 2019 8:17am
- softail 1450
  
  Ultima,I defy any sane person to watch that clip right through ,I genuinely tried but found myself looking for the sick bag when the creature said NZ was about to sink under the waves.
  How were the stupid people of our country sucked in by such an obvious actor ? she can talk well just like Helen Clarke but Clarke actually understood what she was saying,this empty vessel is nothing more than a b grade hollywood actor….
  
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  September 13, 2019 9:12am
artemisia

I would put good money on the National caucus being told in no uncertain terms to keep their hands and any other parts of their anatomy to themselves.

Was it Mike Pence who said he never dines alone with any woman except his wife? Good starting point for sure, and National’s caucus would be well advised to extend it to any after hours meetings.
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September 13, 2019 8:19am
- Gravelroad
  
  I’m waiting for a rehash of #jamieleeross from The Standard bearers.
  
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  September 13, 2019 9:33am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Wait for Jamie Ross Traitor Lee to come up with a donation bombshell to divert attention from Cindy.
  
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  September 13, 2019 10:12am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    I don’t think even that would be enough right now SCS. Jacindamania came, and now it has gone.
    
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    September 13, 2019 10:19am
  - Tricati
    
    I don’t think he would dare as the populous is well over these sanctimonious pricks and would be only to happy to be rid of them.
    
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    September 13, 2019 11:25am
  - chaos
    
    He’s got nothing
    
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    September 13, 2019 11:46am
- MCos
  
  “I would put good money on the National caucus being told in no uncertain terms to keep their hands and any other parts of their anatomy to themselves.”
  
  Several points arise from that comment.
  For a start the horse has already bolted on that one.
  In the case of Labour it wasn’t the caucus members that perpetrated the assaults.
  Further the problems were how the Labour Party admin mishandled the allegations.
  
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  September 13, 2019 3:25pm
  - artemisia
    
    And in reply …. A sex scandal is the very last thing National needs, ever but especially now – and involving anyone at all associated with the Party.
    
    Horse has bolted? History, and time to make sure the dogs stay on the porch.
    
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    September 13, 2019 6:17pm
Lee C

with apologies for repetition:

This has truly turned to s**t for Ardern.

Even this week, she was trotting out pics of her and her daughter to defuse impact of this.

To use a common phrase, ‘the reality is’.

She’s played the feminist role-model card to the hilt, the ‘working mum’ and has frequently used her daughter as an ‘off-spring’.

But it appears that she was complicit in the seediest type of power-play – allowing the exploitation of other women for some guy’s sexual gratification, because he was ‘too powerful’ to resist.

It reads like a like a sub-plot in The Handmaid’s Tale, or something out of ‘House of Cards’.

If there is to be a pivotal point at which history judges when Ardern crashed and burned, I think we are almost here.
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September 13, 2019 8:21am
- softail 1450
  
  Lee C,I hope you are right but our media are already losing interest,unlike when JK pulled a ponytail where they were like bull terriers for weeks ..
  
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  September 13, 2019 8:29am
  - igm
    
    Ardern has cover from media thanks to Little, he being a lifelong unionist who has a lot of clout with journos (most so far left they are stupid), and also hear he and his sidekicks sub most articles that may be detrimental to Labour — we are being fed crap.
    
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    September 13, 2019 8:46am
  - chaos
    
    The media is just starting. Stuff has little interest but they will change
    
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    September 13, 2019 9:06am
plc

For those interested in how the MSM are now turning on this story, go and check out Andrea Vance’s story

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/115746984/who-knew-what-and-when-on-labour-abuse-scandal

The story is illustrated with various pictures. One of these is a very interesting choice
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September 13, 2019 8:23am
- harvey wilson
  
  I noticed that too , was he even mentioned in the article?
  
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  September 13, 2019 8:46am
- skyblue
  
  which one?
  
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  September 13, 2019 9:01am
  - 453mm
    
    I suspect that speculating on the answer to that question would expose Kiwiblog to the wrong sort of attention.
    
    Mod – you suspect correctly. DPF has a nasty allergy to lawsuits!]
    
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    September 13, 2019 10:43am
cmm

Jacinda Ardern to ask difficult questions:
“Want chicken salt?”
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September 13, 2019 8:24am
- skyblue
  
  Do you want Almond Milk with that?
  
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  September 13, 2019 8:55am
- chaos
  
  The very reason she should be fired, asking if I want chicken salt and not if I want to super size my order…
  
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  September 13, 2019 9:47am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Actually, from the look on her face this week, she’s been drinking straight from the vinegar bottle 😀
  
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  September 13, 2019 1:11pm
  - John Warren
    
    In a couple of photos from her press briefing yesterday she looked as if she’d been floating dead in the sea for a couple of days. If that is any indication of her stress level, I wouldn’t be surprised if she becomes quite ill.
    
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    September 13, 2019 2:39pm
G152

Why is it that our fake TV news has spent a great deal of airtime remembering the Christchurch murders and interviewing the survivors when they have done little to remember the events of 911 on the anniversary of that event ???????
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September 13, 2019 8:25am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Play school on TV1 this morning is sickening. Campbell nearly crying. Not a murmur about 9/11. Not a murmur about NZ Firemen doing a haka in remembrance outside Skytower .
  Playschool in their own little bubble.
  
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  September 13, 2019 8:56am
  - stephieboy
    
    The facts are 9/11 is not quite the same as WW1 and 2 etc remembrance!
    
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    September 13, 2019 12:20pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Idiot. Why are you just so fucking stupid?
      
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      September 13, 2019 2:34pm
    - igm
      
      I, for one, am sick and tired of hearing about Christchurch, and same goes for my colleagues.
      When I see the amount of money that has been wasted on virtue signalling by the unelected unwanted PM it makes me puke.
      If they had not been here there would have been no attack!
      
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      September 14, 2019 12:17pm
- Stephen Russell
  
  Maybe because Christchurch is in New Zealand?
  And because it is a far more recent event?
  
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  September 13, 2019 9:14am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    A little bit is ok, but this morning it was nothing but a diversion to take the heat off the lying Jacinda Ardern and her cronies.
    Oh look, another squirrel!
    
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    September 13, 2019 9:19am
    - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
      
      Another baby coming soon!
      
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      September 13, 2019 10:13am
      - MrLovebucket
        
        But who is the father?
        
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        September 13, 2019 1:09pm
- The King
  
  Because they want your kids raped, molested and you dead..
  
  and they think its funny.
  
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  September 13, 2019 9:37am
- EuropeanCanon
  
  Because white people died. Who cares. Just like their silence over South Africa.
  
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  September 13, 2019 10:53am
  - stephieboy
    
    So-called white farmer genocide?
    
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    September 13, 2019 12:21pm
    - rightoverlabour
      
      A quote from this site https://ammo.com/articles/south-africa-land-reform-farm-murders-untold-story
      
      What Are the South African Farm Murders?
      The Untold Story of South African Land Reform and Farm MurdersIt is currently twice as dangerous to be a South African farmer than a South African police officer. The murder rate among South African farmers is three times that of the standard murder rate in South Africa, which is already one of the highest in the world.
      
      The government claims the motives for the farm attacks are robbery. However, this does not pass muster. Farm attacks frequently include raping the female members of the household – including young children – while forcing the male members of the household to watch. The victims are often then tortured to death in front of each other. Farmers claim police response to these attacks is sluggish at best and nonexistent at worse. The government stopped collecting statistics about farm murders in 2008.
      
      What’s more, the attacks on white farmers in South Africa tend to have pitched levels of brutality about them. Without getting too lost in the weeds of the grizzly details, it’s worth mentioning some of the more grotesque attacks on farmers at least in passing:
      
      In 2012, a 12-year-old boy was drowned in boiling water after watching both his parents murdered and his mother raped.
      A 56-year-old grandmother was gang raped during a robbery netting approximately $2,000.
      Five men sexually assaulted a woman in front of her 5-year-old son over the course of an hour and a half.
      Over the course of six hours, a woman was tortured by having her skin cut off, raped and had her feet power drilled.
      A 66-year-old man was beaten to death in front of his wife. She escaped being gang raped by saying that she had HIV.
      Bedridden Alice Lotter, 76, and her daughter Helen, 57 were tortured to death over several hours, including by being stabbed in the genitals with a broken glass bottle. One had one of her breasts removed while still alive. “Kill the Boer” was painted on the wall in their blood.
      Knowledge Mandlazi went on a killing spree in 2014, murdering five whites and stating that “My hate for white people made me rob and kill.” He held up his middle finger to surviving victims in the courtroom.
      
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      September 13, 2019 6:07pm
- oldpark
  
  TVNZ=Pravda One. Says it all.
  
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  September 13, 2019 1:01pm
  - stephieboy
    
    TVNZ=Pravda One. Says it all
    
    Rubbish!
    
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    September 13, 2019 1:49pm
cmm

Poor stephie: a three day migraine so far…..
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September 13, 2019 8:26am
- All_on_Red
  
  He’s probably still got a sore a**e from the spanking he got from the Mods the other day.
  
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  September 13, 2019 8:36am
  - stephieboy
    
    All on Red, not at all. Just time to wait for the shrill hysteria to die down!
    
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    September 13, 2019 12:47pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      If you can’t learn after six Strikes then it’s just a matter of time before you’re gone.
      You’re clearly too dumb to change.
      
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      September 13, 2019 1:19pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Sooner the better
        
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        September 13, 2019 2:36pm
- skyblue
  
  I pity that poor goat:).
  
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  September 13, 2019 8:56am
- chaos
  
  Be more than that, rumour is there are other labour sex scandals coming
  
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  September 13, 2019 9:02am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Where there’s smoke, there’s fire. Or maybe it is steam – from putting the many fires out …..
    
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    September 13, 2019 2:39pm
- stephieboy
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  cmm, not at all! The sex allegations that are the subject of a KB moral and wowser frenzy. Merely a typhoon in a teacup.
  
  Maybe like the same” typhoon in a teacup” over Comrade Trump and his sexcapades!
  
  LOL
  
  [Mod – nice piece of victim-blaming stephie. Don’t go complaining if it provokes a response or two]
  
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  September 13, 2019 10:03am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    a KB moral and wowser frenzy. Merely a typhoon in a teacup..
    
    And there you have it folks.
    The PM has apologised to the complainants,
    
    but stephieboy knows that these sex allegations are just our frenzy.
    
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    September 13, 2019 10:43am
    - stephieboy
      
      “but stephieboy knows that these sex allegations are just our frenzy.?”
      
      Moreorless1
      
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      September 13, 2019 12:23pm
      - softail 1450
        
        If anybody ever finds themselves in a position where the doctor tells them they need a brain transplant Stephieboy would be the perfect donor because his brain is still as new ,it’s never been used once…
        
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        September 13, 2019 1:30pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Softail
        You mean need half a brain…
        
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        September 13, 2019 1:42pm
    - Gravelroad
      
      So Stephieboy thinks citizens who object to the immorality of sexual abuse are “wowsers”.
      Classy.?
      
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      September 13, 2019 12:55pm
      - stephieboy
        
        The inconsistency that ignores the US President yet a frenzy over sex abuse ” allegations”
        
        At the end of the day, the voter will decide which will be mainly over bread and butter issues like next year in the US. and NZ.
        
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        September 13, 2019 1:00pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Lol
        Trump lives in Stephies head. Oh well. Plenty of space.
        
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        September 13, 2019 1:20pm
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Red, we can safely assume you live comfortably with the US President’s sexcapades?
        
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        September 13, 2019 1:50pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Stephie given your well documented perving at children in Malls and the Strikes you’ve had on KB for linking to porn sites, you lack of self awareness is stunning.
        But then, you are Kiwiblogs Dumbest Commentator
        
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        September 13, 2019 2:34pm
    - Rich Prick
      
      Oh fuck your Trump obsession, this is about a Labour Party staffer allegedly digitally penetrating his 19 year old victim.
      
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      September 13, 2019 1:27pm
      - softail 1450
        
        Rich Prick ,It was a violent 20 minute long attack by a power crazed pervert who thought he was entitled to carry it out because “well its a labour thing,they all do it” .
        
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        September 13, 2019 1:50pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    What’s the headcount of the people who have dealt with this alleged sexual complaint hiding the matter from Police attention to protect the Party?
    
    Co-conspirators are all at least minimally equally guilty. Obstruction of Justice has brought low many political persons. State right exceed Party rights.
    
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    September 13, 2019 11:04am
  - chaos
    
    This is what that thinks is a typhoon in a tea cup
    
    “I remember him just saying, ‘shhh,’ and shushing me or telling me to be quiet without explicitly telling me, or he’d press his arm down on my windpipe.”
    
    The woman claimed he groped and digitally penetrated her.
    
    No, sick people may be able to excuse this, but New Zealand won’t.
    
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    September 13, 2019 11:48am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Fuck you are an arsehole. Rape for you is a media frenzy. How about you say that to “Sarah’s” face. Its sick perverts like you that infest the corridors of Labour that have allowed this kind of shit to go on for years….. Stephieboy, you are not a goat fucker, but you sure are a Rape Apologist.
    
    [Mod – Borderline, but understandable given the previous comment. Try to keep it seemly]
    
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    September 13, 2019 12:36pm
    - rightoverlabour
      
      I am trying, believe me, but thanks for the leeway.
      
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      September 13, 2019 1:00pm
  - stephieboy
    
    [Mod – nice piece of victim-blaming stephie. Don’t go complaining if it provokes a response or two]
    
    \
    
    Why should I be afraid of what is at the end of the day an ” opinion” or ” two”?
    
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    September 13, 2019 12:57pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Jesus Christ you are an idiot. Trump has been married and divorced a few times. So fucking what, so have I. Get your head looked at man, there is something wrong inside.
    Edited for typos
    
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    September 13, 2019 2:42pm
oldpark

Heard a song on the radio today . It was called the “Sound of Silence”. It made me think of the panic emanating from the Peters selected Labour Party PM M/s Ardern.
Some of the words certainly hit home describing her attitude to the alleged sexual allegations made by some of her employees.
When interviewed on the matter she took up the stance with her body language.
Like talking without speaking,hearing without listening.Actually in her coven of advisors and colleagues,it appeared a cloak of silence ,was ordered. None dared to disturb the silence.
What Ardern and her ilk have painfully found out.
“Silence like a cancer grows”.
All the sexual claimants wanted was their leader ,their shining star leader M/s Ardern to hear their words. like the song says ,”their words and wishes like silent raindrops fell ,and echoed,in the wells of silence.”what a bloody indictment.
Sadly M/s Ardern promise to be in the front line for #Metoo has completely failed . one could even say her words and denials of her staffs alleged sexual claims,
have made a mockery of #METOO.
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September 13, 2019 8:26am
cmm

BMW announce a hydrogen powered SUV. Green virtual signallers stand in a queue to outspend eachother.

https://www.driven.co.nz/news/news/a-look-at-bmw-s-first-hydrogen-powered-suv/

But it is not really hydrogen powered. Hydrogen is not really a fuel source.

Hydrogen is typically made in one of to ways:
1) Reaction of gas. Take natural gas (which is already a fuel) and through a complex and wasteful process, react it and remove the carbon, leaving the hydrogen, You would have done better to just burn the gas.
2) Electrolysis: take electricity and use that to split water into hydrogen and oxygen. Again, wasteful, you’d do better to just use the electricity.
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September 13, 2019 8:33am
- cmm
  
  Go for it, downticking can overcome the laws of physics,
  
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  September 13, 2019 8:40am
- All_on_Red
  
  I agree that Hydrogen is not a fuel source.
  It’s an energy storage system. And I understand how inefficient it is to create in terms of energy expended.
  But looking at it like that, isn’t there still a place for it?
  Honda, Toyota, Hyundai and BMW seem to think so.
  Why is that? (Genuinely curious)
  
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  September 13, 2019 8:54am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    “I agree that Hydrogen is not a fuel source.” True.
    
    Similarly, the batteries of an EV are not a “fuel source”; the power to charge them has to come from somewhere else.
    
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    September 13, 2019 8:59am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Energy can neither be created or destroyed . . .
      
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      September 13, 2019 11:29am
  - alloytoo
    
    Because I suspect it’s a lot cheaper to manufacture than EV’s.
    
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    September 13, 2019 8:59am
    - stephieboy
      
      When EV demand outstrips supply then its curtains for petrol heads!
      
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      September 13, 2019 10:21am
      - herb1
        
        Wow , what a dumb statement.
        When you can’t get an electric vehicle the demand for the only alternative will increase.
        It’s called supply and demand , but why would you know that Stephie when your leader and better , knows nothing of the world beyond the back benches of Parliament while mistakenly and temporarily wearing a PMs hat
        
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        September 13, 2019 1:38pm
  - Rich Prick
    
    What’s worse, it only stores about half the energy it takes to make it. Ohhhhhhh but it does sound so Gweeeen.
    
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    September 13, 2019 9:11am
  - cmm
    
    “Why is that?”
    
    A) There are a lot of virtue signalers willing to buy them, either privately or as part of greenie government fleets.
    
    B) PR: The manufacturers can do this to show how environmentally friendly they are and offset some of the “gas guzzler” bad press.
    
    Burning natural gas is way better because it uses more of the gas, far less wastefully.
    
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    September 13, 2019 9:13am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Ta- shame our Gas exploration is cancelled.
      Does Natural Gas generate the same power as electricity in a car? I seem to recall LNG cars as lacking power.
      
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      September 13, 2019 9:15am
    - All_on_Red
      
      B) they can also offset the Low Emmissions from these cars against their other cars so they can stay within the limits set by various Govts eh.
      
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      September 13, 2019 9:18am
  - All_on_Red
    
    To expand on this, my concern with EVs is the large batteries. Not only are they heavy but disposing of them when they wear out is a major problem with toxic waste. Heck, if the mad woman Genter gets her way, we’d have over a million batteries to get rid of in 15 years or so.
    If I understand it correctly Hydrogen cars use a smaller battery to transfer the electricity made and are lighter (more effeicient power to weight ratio too?)
    So granted that making Hydrogen is energy intensive and inefficient, isn’t avoiding using large toxic batteries make that worthwhile?
    
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    September 13, 2019 9:13am
    - cmm
      
      There are two ways of using hydrogen as a fuel: burn it or in a fuel cell.
      
      When you burn hydrogen it is just using it as a fuel instead of petrol, natural gas, whatever in a piston engine or whatever and similar efficiencies apply. The burning creates power, water waste heat and nasty mixes of hydrogen, oxygen and nitrogen similar to normal tailpipe output.
      
      The alternative is a fuel cell which reacts the hydrogen with oxygen and creates electrical power. Fuel cells are approx 50% efficient – the rest going into heat. The electricity then goes to regular EV circuitry (controller, motor etc), reducing efficiency further.
      
      All up, end to end hydrogen power is not at all efficient.
      
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      September 13, 2019 9:40am
    - Rich Prick
      
      Why bother, it’s far easier to put some dinosaurs in the tank and make hippies “gag” on my CO2s.
      
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      September 13, 2019 9:43am
      - stephieboy
        
        Rich Prick , the best proof is experience,
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZ7Jlq9mQrY
        
        Not you exhaust fume fantasies!
        
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        September 13, 2019 10:23am
      - Rich Prick
        
        Your literacy is still that of a 9 year old. How embarrassing for you.
        
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        September 13, 2019 12:30pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    bureaucratic inertia. A generation of senior managers got familiar with hydrogen 20-30 years back and still imagine it has some future. But reality is with vastly improved and cheaper batteries hydrogen is dead.
    
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    September 13, 2019 9:44am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Hyrdogen can be turned into hydrinos then very interesting things can happen with significant energy release. GUP-CP physics are buzzing over happenings at the sub-atomic level.
    
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    September 13, 2019 11:08am
- tf78
  
  Better to stick with petrol rather than going through all that pa lava and have the same result.
  
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  September 13, 2019 9:01am
- Ed Snack
  
  cmm, it may be useful depending on engineering constraints. If it turns out to be easier and more economic to store the energy as H2 gas rather than as chemical energy in a battery, then Hydrogen may become a significant end use fuel.
  
  Creating H2 does of course involve losses as no process is loss free – pushing energy into a battery and extracting it again involves some losses. But all these storage mechanisms do rely on there being a plentiful energy supply – and at our current technological level that is best supplied by nuclear. Maybe that “energy source of the future – and always will be” – fusion – will become feasible, but until then nuclear in its more modern “failsafe” designs would seem to be the only obvious choice.
  
  BTW, there was a recent report of an interesting process involving CH4 (Natural gas’s major component) – by using some clever catalysts the proponents claimed to be able to extract H2 and C (as pure carbon able to be turned into high value forms like carbon fibre) separately. That might be a viable and non-carbon emitting (as CO2) process, however it was lab scale only and not very efficient – yet.
  
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  September 13, 2019 9:18am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Also to note that H2 as an energy store has several serious flaws that need good engineering solutions to be truly viable. First it is very difficult to store efficiently as it (especially in gaseous form) “leaks” through anything because of its very small molecular size and if cooled to become liquid it requires extremely low temperatures – and it still leaks. Second it can form spontaneously combustible mixtures with air – at certain concentrations H2 will explode without needing an initiating spark or flame.
    
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    September 13, 2019 9:25am
  - cmm
    
    Hydrogen is a prick to store.
    
    “BTW, there was a recent report of an interesting process involving CH4 (Natural gas’s major component) – by using some clever catalysts the proponents claimed to be able to extract H2 and C (as pure carbon able to be turned into high value forms like carbon fibre) separately”
    
    No matter the cleverness, various bonds have to be broken and that requires (or wastes) energy. You want carbon for nanotubes etc – well it is all over the place. Getting hold of carbon for industrial use is not much of a problem and often CO2 is a useful form.
    
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    September 13, 2019 2:49pm
- 453mm
  
  I recall some wonderful anecdotes about green virtue signallers from the Freakonomics podcast.
  
  San Francisco has, unsurprisingly, a high adoption rate for hybrid cars, especially the Toyota Prius. The podcast looked at the success of the Prius and concluded that Toyota quite brilliantly gave the Prius a unique shape and look. It is favourite among virtue signallers because it is so obviously a “green” choice.
  
  The podcast also mocked the San Francisco residents who live on the South side of their streets, but who position their solar panels on the North side (the shady side in the Northern hemisphere) of their roofs. Why have solar panels if no one can see that you have solar panels?
  
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  September 13, 2019 10:52am
freemark

Most (78%) don’t…
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/09/labour-sexual-assault-scandal-poll-do-you-believe-jacinda-ardern.html
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September 13, 2019 8:33am
- Local Miller
  
  83% don’t now
  
  I’m wondering who they paid to make yes votes.
  
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  September 13, 2019 8:44am
- cmm
  
  I expect more of the 20% that do believe, don’t really and are just in that very uncomfortable space called cognitive dissonance.
  
  Poor stephie, he’s one of them.
  
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  September 13, 2019 8:47am
- Biscuit
  
  82% when I made my (predictable) vote just before…
  
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  September 13, 2019 8:57am
- alex Masterley
  
  82% now. With some help from me!
  
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  September 13, 2019 8:59am
- niggly
  
  The poll is now at 83% that don’t believe her!
  
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  September 13, 2019 9:05am
- Fletch
  
  It’s up to 84% now…..
  
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  September 13, 2019 9:25am
Maggie Pie

When my partners mum is not logging into KB to see what I’m up to, she spends a lot of her time reading, in particular, books on NZ history. She reckonns someones’s great-great grandfather will be ‘spinning’ in their grave 🙁
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September 13, 2019 8:34am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I’ve been thinking I should swat up on some NZ History..do you think your partner’s mum could tell us some interesting topics to check out?
  
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  September 13, 2019 9:19am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Who did the Maori greet on their arrival here?
    
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    September 13, 2019 11:12am
    - Ed Snack
      
      No one, despite fringe attempts to create controversy there is zero good evidence that any humans were in NZ prior to around 1250 or so CE. The rat-bone evidence for an earlier arrival of rats as a marker for humans has been overturned by new analysis of new material from the same site shows no dates before around 1250-1300 CE. The previous analysis was likely compromised by laboratory handling and treatment techniques in the 1990’s.
      
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      September 13, 2019 12:14pm
      - G152
        
        True.
        That ‘rat DNA’ was an error when they used a carbon based humicant to prepare the sample…
        
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        September 13, 2019 1:06pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Kev O’Brien,
      
      Archaeology and geology etc suggest nobody!
      
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      September 13, 2019 12:18pm
softail 1450

cmm, poor septicboy ,he’s very likely to seek out the barnyard for a little quiet seclusion ,lets hope there are no sharp implements or nooses around that place ,LOL.
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September 13, 2019 8:34am
NK

Gee. Two resignations for what Kelvin Davis says are “rumours or whispers” seems over the top, don’t y’all think?
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September 13, 2019 8:35am
- cmm
  
  I’m sure further analysis will confirm that the two resignations are due to unacceptable stress caused by alt-right witch hunting and bullying… or something like that.
  
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  September 13, 2019 8:38am
  - wreck1080
    
    Yes, because rape and sexual assault is not so bad.
    
    Right cmm?
    
    Clearly you have no problem with it.
    
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    September 13, 2019 8:43am
  - wreck1080
    
    Sorry cmm, misread your comment!I apologise.
    
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    September 13, 2019 8:48am
    - Swifty
      
      Good stuff.
      
      Labour could learn a lot from you.
      
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      September 13, 2019 12:07pm
  - kowtow
    
    And suitable alternative employment oppordunidies will be made available……..
    
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    September 13, 2019 8:50am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    The unacceptable stress was being apparently complicit in a coverup–itself an obstruction of justice.
    
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    September 13, 2019 11:14am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Now, now…. if Kelvin reckons rumours/whispers are the same as allegations… who are we to question him?
  Deputy Labour leader Kelvin Davis accused of calling Labour sexual assault allegations ‘rumours’
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12267145
  Appears he knows his “Through the Looking-Glass”
  better than he knows the Maori lexicon.
  
  “When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.” “The question is,” said Alice, “whether you can make words mean so many different things.” “The question is,” said Humpty Dumpty, “which is to be master—that’s all.”
  
  Whakapae – allegation
  kōhimuhimu – rumour, whispers.
  
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  September 13, 2019 9:31am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    This should be the end of Kelvin Davis’s political career. When asked to clarify his meaning, he just made a stupid (and offensive in the circumstances) joke and did not answer:
    
    Hansard:
    KD was answering for the PM:
    
    “Hon Paula Bennett: Can the Prime Minister ask Kelvin Davis, then, what he meant when he made statements in this House in Māori yesterday that quite clearly were objectifying and saying that it was allegations of rumour?
    
    Hon KELVIN DAVIS: Ka kite ana ahau i a Kelvin Davis, māku e pātai atu ki a ia.
    
    [When I see Kelvin Davis, I’ll ask him.]”
    
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    September 13, 2019 10:58am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Even worse was Trevor Mallard laughing at Davis’ smart-arse reply, via the translation he was getting. Davis was answering questions on behalf of the PM on a matter which has the potential to bring down the government. His answer, and Mallard’s laughter, did nothing to indicate that Ministers in the Ardern Coalition of Chaos are taking the concerns of victims seriously.
      
      In a week where there have been plenty of lows for the Government, this was the nadir.
      
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      September 13, 2019 11:40am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Yep, what fun these guys had mocking the only person in NZ the complainants trusted.
        
        Shame, shame, shame.
        
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        September 13, 2019 11:51am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        I’d call them gutless wonders Maggy, but that would be offensive to genuine gutless wonders…
        
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        September 13, 2019 1:14pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Whakapuka.
        
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        September 13, 2019 3:59pm
Im Right

The blow torch will now be applied to Robertson, he knew and seemingly didn’t tell the PM…..also a cpl of high up the food chain also knew weeks ago and again, seemingly, didn’t tell the PM! Methinks there has been/continues to be a clinton style deletion of texts and emails regarding this with Arden’s name in the ‘sent to’ box!
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September 13, 2019 8:41am
- Maggie Pie
  
  https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EEQXP4AUwAAdtep?format=png&name=small
  
  LOL!!
  
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  September 13, 2019 8:49am
  - niggly
    
    Bwahahahahahaha that’s brilliant!
    
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    September 13, 2019 12:07pm
- DigNap15
  
  It was so funny watching him run away on tv last night.
  
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  September 13, 2019 9:18am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  My arse he didn’t tell Ardern.
  
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  September 13, 2019 9:46am
wreck1080

Labour don’t care about people. They only care about the baubles of office, one of which appears to be sexual assault!

Labour tries to smother victims, either by driving them out or by promising very lengthy investigations to keep things in-house and then whitewashing the results.

Of course, it is an unsustainable policy because the perpetrators get so bold that the sheer number of victims cannot be contained.

And Jacinda is the lead wolf! The buck has to stop with her, because regardless of the technical separation between the labour party machine and the labour leader, people tend to consider them one and the same.
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September 13, 2019 8:41am
lastmanstanding

I havent read any of yesterdays or todays post but the suspense is killing me.

Can someone please post the name of the Perp on an overseas website and point me in the direction.

I need to know!!!!!!
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September 13, 2019 8:43am
- Sacha
  
  You could start a blog game –
  Post the letter A. If it is right, uptick, if not, down.
  Work your way through the alphabet –
  B ? Right? Ab ……..
  S? Right? Abs ………
  (I must admit it sounds more like a facebook game though)
  
  [Mod – Please don’t encourage him]
  
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  September 13, 2019 9:29am
All_on_Red

Speaking of chickens coming home to roost.
Ex Deputy Dir of the FBI, ( and CNN Contributor!) Andrew McCabe has been told by the DOJ he won’t avoid charges. His lawyers had appealed that he wouldn’t be. He’ll be indicted soon. The first of many no doubt.
On the other side, General Michael Flynn’s Hearing is turning into a major problem for Muellers Prosecutors.
It’s clear they withheld exculpatory evidence and fitted him up. Amongst many things it seems Flynn told the DIA about all his foreign meetings BEFORE he actually went and they were okayed, there’s an DOJ memo clearing him, and he passed a Lie Detector test before his Security Clearencevwas renewed.
All docs confirming this were withheld.
The Judge, Emmett Sullivan is getting really pissed about it.
It’s shaping up that the charges will be voided and the Prosecutors themselves investigated.
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September 13, 2019 8:47am
- virtualmark
  
  You mean officials the Trump transition team (Jesse Liu) are now deciding whether to prosecute witnesses against the Trump transition team (Andrew McCabe). That’s banana republic stuff.
  
  On the flip side, the grand jury was recalled to consider these “charges” and left the building without any charges being filed. And the IG report said that McCabe’s actions were a violation of FBI policy but were not criminal.
  
  Let’s wait and see.
  
  In the meantime the House has just voted to formalise an impeachment inquiry, with hearings to begin next week. In Watergate it took 9 months from this point to Nixon resigning. Pro tip: Watch the court cases about the House subpoenas to Mazar and Deutsche Bank.
  
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  September 13, 2019 9:42am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Citations needed
    Lots of Citations.
    Oh, and the ‘House’ hasn’t voted for impeachment. They don’t have the numbers.
    Oh and the Deutschebank thing has been thrown out.
    Oh and which IG report are you talking about? There’s several.
    Oh and McCabes charges haven’t been disclosed. I think you are getting confused with Comey getting off having Docs at home.
    He’ll be done for FISA violations though
    
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    September 13, 2019 10:22am
    - virtualmark
      
      Sigh.
      
      The House Judiciary Committee voted today (Thursday their time) on the rules of an impeachment investigation. That’s the first procedural step in any impeachment. https://www.lawfareblog.com/whats-judiciary-committee-resolution-impeachment-procedures
      
      The Mazars and Deutsche Bank subpoenas are still very much alive. The lower courts found in favour of the House. Trump (not Mazars or DB) appealed. The appeals have been heard but not decided on yet. The learned legal analysis says the Financial Services Committee should win but could be knocked back, while the Intelligence Committee will prevail. https://www.lawfareblog.com/oral-argument-summary-trump-v-house-financial-services-and-intelligence-committees has a good overview of where things are at.
      
      You’re right in that McCabe’s charges haven’t been disclosed yet. But the IG report into McCabe found no crimes, just breaches of policy. So it will be interesting to see if Jesse Liu has any cards in his hand or not. But Liu threatening to prosecute McCabe who is a potential witness against the Trump transition is broken justice.
      
      FWIW, there’s more evidence for impeachable offences against Trump than there was against Nixon. But Nixon didn’t have Moscow Mitch running the Senate. The Senate Republicans know that Trump obstructed justice, is corrupt etc but they feel they have no choice but to stick with him. I think the House Dems know they have to prove Trump is compromised in a national security sense before the Senate Republicans will begin to peel off.
      
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      September 13, 2019 10:50am
      - Ed Snack
        
        Moscow Mitch, Moscow Mitch ! And you expect us to take you seriously !
        
        Listen, there’s far more good evidence that ties the Clinton campaign to Russian Intelligence and to Ukrainian sources than any that ties Trump or Mitch McConnell “might” have. Or are you still delusional enough to think that the Steele Dossier contained some nuggets of truth ?
        
        And what impeachable offenses can they claim ? Conspiracy or coordination with Russians Nope (unlike the hard evidence of the DNC and Clinton conspiring with the Ukrainians via Alexandra Chalupa – a DNC employee who the Ukrainians have admitted they were working with), Obstruction of Justice – hard to make this stick legally when the investigation itself was baseless and started as a soft coup against a legitimately elected POTUS. Emoluments violations, so far no joy with the courts on that.
        
        Impeachment processes depend on a vote by the house itself, not by a committee, using “Lawfare” as a source is not reliable. What Nadler is doing is trying to sound like he’s starting the impeachment process without actually starting one – because he knows he would again lose the vote to do so in the house. It is a purely spiteful piece of partisanship to appease their radical base. Also Nadler is facing a primary challenge from a leftists so is trying to talk “tough”.
        
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        September 13, 2019 12:27pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        The Judiciary Committee is not the House. You said House. They don’t have the numbers in the House.
        SIGH
        The DB search will show nothing.
        There are several IG reports covering different things. We have yet to see the one which will cause McCabe to be indicted.
        If he’s not going to be indicted, why are his Lawyers appealing now for him not to be indicted.
        
        As for rest, yeah yeah yeah Trump is corrupt, he obstructed blah blah blah.
        ‘The Senate Republicans know that Trump obstructed justice, is corrupt etc but they feel they have no choice but to stick with him.’
        This is a blatant lie and there is no evidence
        Barr, Rosenstein (who should know about obstruction as he is THE key witness, say there isn’t.
        
        DOUBLE SIGH
        
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        September 13, 2019 1:32pm
    - virtualmark
      
      I’ll add that I’ll be a little surprised if McCabe does eventually get charged with anything because once he’s charged then his defence lawyers get discovery.
      
      I doubt Trump, Barr, Liu, or anyone else in the DoJ would want McCabe to have discovery rights, or to have a forum (the Court) where he could put his own side of the story out in his defence.
      
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      September 13, 2019 11:53am
      - Ed Snack
        
        He’s going to be charged, and will be convicted and do time. What won’t happen is that he will be arrested by 40 armed FBI agents who will call at 5 am accompanied by Fox News reporters, unlike Roger Stone.
        
        The current charges only relate to McCabe lying about his actions in regard to FBI investigations of the Clinton campaign and (a new revelation) a simultaneous investigation into the Clinton foundation. He’ll be further on the hook for his actions in relation to Flynn, the FISC applications, and his attempted soft coup on Trump where treason may be charged.
        
        Discovery won’t be an issue, unlike the Obama administration, nothing the Trump administration has done looks so far to have been illegal.
        
        McCabe is just the first, there are a lot of people like Comey, Yates, Lynch, Strzok, Page, Rice, Ohr, and others who are now all really hoping that McCabe doesn’t cut a deal to tell all he knows. They’re already in severe jeopardy, McCabe spilling what he knows would finish them.
        
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        September 13, 2019 12:36pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        McCabe is probably going to be charged with Perjury.
        Good luck with using discovery to get at Trump with that
        It’s a Process Crime.
        
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        September 13, 2019 1:34pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Anything for diversion.
    
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    September 13, 2019 11:18am
chaos

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/09/duncan-garner-jacinda-ardern-could-be-forced-to-resign.html

*Duncan Garner: Jacinda Ardern could be forced to resign*
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September 13, 2019 8:52am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Ardern has truly fallen.
  Has retaliation for the Muslim prayers in Parliament been visited on her?
  
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  September 13, 2019 11:21am
  - Swifty
    
    Retaliation from whom?
    
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    September 13, 2019 12:51pm
lastmanstanding

I have said it before. Cindy knew about both incidents from the get go. Like all gutless bullying so called leaders she told her “people” to make it go away do anything and everything to make it go away.

In both cases her “people” stuffed up and it didnt go away.

After working across a number of sectors in large organisations for the past 50 years I have seen the good the bad and the down right ugly in so called leaders.

Cindy is a ugly Mother……… The worst. All smiles on the outside but a venal feral POS on the inside.

Misuses and abuses her power. How many of her former staffers have stories to tell about her. And how many staffers has she “lost” . I beat the churn rate is horrendous.

And like a rabid dog dangerous when cornered.
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September 13, 2019 8:55am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Like all gutless bullying….go away
  
  Isn’t that the trait of the lefty trolls on KB?
  
  They swoop in with some nasty comments then depart the scene quick-as when they are asked to produce some evidence for their venom.
  
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  September 13, 2019 9:09am
- Blackbob
  
  Never ascribe to malice that which is more likely just simply incompetence – the simplest explanation is usually the most likely.
  
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  September 13, 2019 9:09am
chaos

Anyone else playing resignation bingo?
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September 13, 2019 8:56am
srylands

From The Standard..

“As I understand it, the person has not been actually put through an employment related disciplinary process. However, I can see a claim of ‘constructive dismissal’ looming, particular if the accusations are not proven.”.

Ah no. He has a clause in his contract that says he is employed at the pleasure of the PM.

Anyway, even if he was found not guilty in a criminal trial, which is quite possible as there were no witnesses and now no forensic evidence, that in no way gets him his job back. This guy is unemployable in New Zealand.
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September 13, 2019 8:58am
Lee C

The sooner this becomes a forensic police investigation the better.
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September 13, 2019 8:59am
- DigNap15
  
  Sadly our police are a pack of soft cocks (at the higher level)
  
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  September 13, 2019 9:40am
The King

Has anybody vetted the government that wants to buy your guns back? are you sure these people are suited to own these guns? have you checked for a history of lying and mental health?
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September 13, 2019 9:04am
Rich Prick

Where are our resident lefties who are usually so fond of lecturing us from their positions of virtue?
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September 13, 2019 9:05am
- chaos
  
  Secret photo from the current labour troll meeting underway.
  
  https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s–VhUcZAyK–/c_fill,fl_progressive,g_center,h_900,q_80,w_1600/alz6scd1nmwszzkjlhfd.jpg
  
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  September 13, 2019 9:10am
- herb1
  
  they’re hiding in their bunkers of sanctity
  
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  September 13, 2019 9:14am
- alloytoo
  
  Orwell’s Animal Farm continues to ring true.
  
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  September 13, 2019 9:14am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Perhaps they are taking time out to reassess their outlook on folks who comment here.
  
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  September 13, 2019 9:14am
  - stephieboy
    
    As if they and Joe and Jane public seriously care!
    
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    September 13, 2019 1:12pm
- Jules99
  
  It’s actually harder to write fiction than facts. Give it time – they are just trying to work out their excuses.
  
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  September 13, 2019 9:34am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Busy creating new pseudonyms.
  
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  September 13, 2019 10:06am
secondcumming

Somewhat off topic, but also of *huge concern*…..

Wall Street global asset management firm, *AB Bernstein*, are reporting US debt level may be nearing $400 Trillion….or 20 times GDP!

One of the critical signs that an *Empire is in collapse*, is when it becomes more and more blatantly obvious that it’s stock market is an abject manipulated fallacy.
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September 13, 2019 9:06am
Chuck Bird

Newshub Poll
Do You believe Ardern

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/09/labour-sexual-assault-scandal-poll-do-you-believe-jacinda-ardern.html

82% No
18% yes
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September 13, 2019 9:08am
Straight arrow

Treatment of Maori v WW1 Soldiers in regards to Free Pardons.

New Zealand Parliament has, on a limited number of occasions, passed Acts that provide for statutory pardons. Five soldiers in “The Great War” were pardoned in 2000. Te Whakatōhea Rangatira Mokomoko was pardoned by the Governor General in 1992, and in 2013 Parliament passed an Act which specifically restored and the character, mana, and reputation of Mokomoko and his descendants. In 2014 Kereopa Te Rau was pardoned for his role in the death of Reverend Volkner (in 1865). The latest is the Rua Kēnana Pardon Bill.

The Act pardoning the five soldiers noted that “their execution was not a fate that they deserved but was one that resulted from— (a) the harsh discipline that was believed at the time to be required; and (b) the application of the death penalty for military offences being seen at that time as an essential part of maintaining military discipline”. The purpose of the Act was “to remove, so far as practicable, the dishonour that the execution of those 5 soldiers brought to those soldiers and their families”. There is no apology as such.

The Ngāti Rangiwewehi Claims Settlement Act 2014 simply states “Kereopa Te Rau is pardoned for his role in the death of Reverend Volkner”. No further details are given, probably because he was alleged to have eaten the missionary’s eyes. I wonder what the Volkner family think of this pardon.

The Mokomoko Act “expresses the Crown’s regret for any ongoing shame or stigma this has caused for his uri [descendants]… and restores the character, mana, and reputation of Mokomoko and the character, mana, and reputation of his uri”. Mokomoko had been of tried and executed for the murder of Carl Sylvius Volkner.

Which brings me to the current Bill, the Rua Kēnana Pardon Bill. Kēnana was convicted of “moral resistance” to arrest for failing to turn up to court on selling alcohol without a licence charges. For details read the Bill. The Bill states “The Crown unreservedly apologises to the descendants of Rua Kēnana and Ngā Toenga o ngā Tamariki a Iharaira for—(a) the lasting damage to the character, mana, and reputation of Rua Kēnana, his uri, and Ngā Toenga o Ngā Tamariki o Iharaira; (b) the deep hurt, shame, and stigma suffered by them as a result of the invasion of Maungapōhatu” [when 70 armed police went to arrest Kēnana]. “This pardon is provided to Rua Kēnana for the conviction he sustained for moral resistance to arrest. The restoration of the character, mana, and reputation of Rua Kēnana, his uri, and Ngā Toenga o Ngā Tamariki o Iharaira Faith is declared.”

For the soldiers, a statement that it was the times, no apology, and a “desire” that the dishonour on the soldiers and families is removed. With the Maori pardons, a grovelling apology, and a “declaration” that mana and reputation has been restored.
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September 13, 2019 9:09am
sooty

Fleur Fitzsimons the Wellington councilor is standing for election again in a couple of months!
It will be interesting to watch her polling numbers as she is donkey deep in this coverup of sexual daviants/rapists!
Will she get back or flame out?
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September 13, 2019 9:09am
- Steve Todd
  
  “Will she get back or flame out?”
  
  She will get back, sooty.
  
  Check this out: https://inside-wellington.org/2019/09/06/wcc-southern-ward-candidates-analysed-two-shoe-ins-topless-swimming-pools-and-someone-who-should-be-at-the-table-but-has-a-long-run-to-get-there/.
  
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  September 13, 2019 8:03pm
lastmanstanding

To clarify my post on GD yesterday where I got 37 downticks for criticising Simon for his interview in China I have also said the same about Labour.

IMHO we are getting too close to the Chinese Communist Party.Not the Chinese people so no racist attacks please. The Chinese who have come to NZ in most cases have fled that regime.

However I believe some have come here for other purposes and have ingratiated themselves into our 2 main political parties in an attempt to curry favour for the regime back home.

Just as a good business person avoids buying and selling from one source in order to derisk their business NZ Inc should avoid being too reliant on one trading partner. Think China V USA.

I have always been concerned that NZ is putting its eggs in one basket.

As a small trading nation we need to have an many ‘friends’ as we can to avoid the fallout if any of them fallout with each other.

Thank you.
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September 13, 2019 9:15am
- Jack5
  
  And sadly, the Chinese Communists have far too much influence within our political parties.
  
  What is National going to do about list MP Jian Yang?
  
  Peter Goodfellow, National’s president, brought in Jian Yang. Perhaps National should follow Labour’s example and change its president.
  
  Here are concerns raised by the Financial Times:
  
  https://www.ft.com/content/64991ca6-9796-11e7-a652-cde3f882dd7b
  
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  September 13, 2019 9:27am
- The King
  
  Because NZ politicians want to emulate Chinas model here, which is impossible because China is a 100% homogeneous ethnostate.
  
  Given the fact China is the main cause of the Fentanyl crisis in America, the meth crisis here (learned from the Opium Wars) we shouldn’t be doing any business and all Chinese should be deported, in a sane world not controlled by big $$ from our corrupt politicians of course.
  
  Claiming to stand for “human rights” with one hand while taking money soaked in blood with the other. Welcome to “Democracy”.
  
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  September 13, 2019 9:31am
  - IC5000
    
    > China is a 100% homogeneous ethnostate
    
    It’s not yet 100% but CCP has policies of trying to supplant minority’s groups in Tibet and Xinjiang province through forced sterilisation, re-education camps and settlement of the Han majority in those areas. I guess Bridges is relaxed about those policies.
    
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    September 13, 2019 10:19am
  - MCos
    
    Most of our oil is imported from dodgy countries.
    Our clothes come from factories some might say are sweatshops.
    All manner of electronic stuff comes from China.
    If we are going to be all sanctimonious, where do we start and are we prepared to live like the Amish?
    
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    September 13, 2019 10:37am
    - IC5000
      
      > If we are going to be all sanctimonious, where do we start and are we prepared to live like the Amish?
      
      So admitting the truth about the CCP means we have to live like the Amish? Grow up child. You might want to turn your head away for 30 pieces of silver but don’t try pretend you don’t know what they buying. You take their money and they own you. Why do you think Bridges was felletating the CCP, because he likes it?
      
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      September 13, 2019 11:39am
- Justitia
  
  After seeing the Bridges interview in China I dug out my “Manchurian Candidate” DVD for viewing after dinner tomorrow night.
  
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  September 13, 2019 9:48am
- secondcumming
  
  Meanwhile, they keep coming up with more and more inventive ways of getting their filthy drugs past border security in this country and into the grubby hands of the dealers. Killing ’em softly……
  
  So where’s *President Xi* in all this? Not heard a fucking dickey bird from him about it.
  
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  September 13, 2019 11:17am
- KevO'Brien
  
  How many Chinese are their living in Auckland compared to how many Maori?
  I believe the Chinese population is significant and they are active in business. There is no reason why they shouldn’t be politically active. There is every reason why they would choose a Party more akin to their entrepreneurial character than the NZ COL.
  
  Communism in China may be a tool to govern the huge masses but Chinese on the lose in business in NZ are capitalists at heart. They bring up their children that way too. Unless unable effort and success is expected.
  
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  September 13, 2019 11:34am
  - Jack5
    
    Kevin O’Brien describes Communism in China as “a tool to govern the huge masses.”
    
    Kevin, it’s a helluva lot more than that. President Xi has recommitted China to Marxism. The key industries are controlled by the State, and you cannot buy freehold land, because the State retains ownership.
    
    According to the New York Times in August 2018, the net worth of what it described as the 153 members of the Chinese legislature (Parliament) was $US650 billion. That is more than one trillion NZ dollars at current exchange rates.
    
    China’s richest man, Jack Ma (of Alibaba fame), is a member of the Communist Party. You can bet many of the rich Chinese who have moved to New Zealand have been party members.
    
    NZ’s strategy of bringing in rich people generally as entrepreneurs has disappointed. We’ve had brothers who have established a brothel-based property empire, for example, and our property markets haves become much more active.
    
    But our critical exports have not been noticeably helped. Exports as a proportion of GDP have failed to improve. We have come to depend on China taking about a quarter of our exports, and these have overwhelmingly remained agricultural commodities.
    
    The Communist rich are looters, and despise democracy, as the uprising in Hong Kong shows.
    
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    September 13, 2019 1:09pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      My experience of Chinese has been individuals as singly self made as any capitalist. Humans are not so different world wide.
      
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      September 13, 2019 3:55pm
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September 13, 2019 9:16am
niggly

During the 2017 election campaign a Morrinsville farmer protesting against Labour’s election policies held up a sign that said of Ardern “She’s a Pretty Communist” (and got a lot of stick from Ardern’s supporters and the media etc).

Ardern, technically may not be a “communist”, but her methods of re-writing history (her supposedly not knowing of the sexual assaults), her protection of the (Labour) Party and its “friends” and her putting the Party above the interests of the people (complainants) would surely be admired by Communism’s great leaders.

So I think the Morrinsville farmer, who held the Ardern protest sign up in 2017, has been pretty much vindicated!

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/election/2017/09/jacinda-ardern-laughs-off-pretty-communist-protest-sign.html
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September 13, 2019 9:20am
Jack5

Does anyone know what’s happened to the Christchurch court news site? Has it closed?

This has been run by a veteran journalist on his own, and has been an excellent source of news during the last year or two, a tiem which included the mosques massacre another planned massacre by a young Muslim, various racism incidents and extremely varied sentencing.

It was a hopeful sign of how impartial news coverage might continue after the internet has taken down the last print newspaper.
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September 13, 2019 9:23am
Simon

From July 2014

The Labour Party’s plan to reform the criminal justice system would mean that the accused in a rape case would have to prove consent to be found innocent — a change it acknowledges as a monumental shift.

But Labour’s justice spokesman Andrew Little said the current system is broken and in need of a major shake-up. The party favours an inquisitorial system, where a judge interviewed the alleged victim after conferring with prosecution and defence lawyers.

The policy would mean that in a rape case, if the Crown proved a sexual encounter and the identity of the defendant, it would be rape unless the defendant could prove it was consensual.

“But when you look at the volume of sexual violence cases and the 1 per cent of cases that result in a conviction, there is something wrong with the way we are handling sexual violation cases. The circumstances may well justify doing something radically different.”

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11289979

Labo’s policy from just a few years ago.

Utterly unsurprisingly Labo cant reflect back their self righteous upon themselves.
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September 13, 2019 9:23am
JibberJabber

KBs own MM appears to have gone silent also, they`re not the one and the same , are they?
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September 13, 2019 9:24am
mark15

Are we soon going to have a ‘ding-dong,the witch is dead’ moment?
Let’s do this!!!
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September 13, 2019 9:29am
lastmanstanding

Im surprised that no one has raised the Health and Safety in Employment Act 2015.
This covers both employees and volunteers in an organisation.

In short it states that the person in charge of a work place has a duty to keep employees and volunteers safe. That mean safe from all harm by whoever.

This includes matters of a sexual nature.

Good governance and management principles also state that there must be a clear line of communication within any organisation.

So the Management report to the Governance. It would appear to me that the person titled the Leader of any organisation is part of the Governance structure so therefore that person cannot claim to have no association with the organisation in that respect.

The Lawyers can correct me but it seems to me that person would be deemed to have knowledge of any matter that they should of had knowledge of even if they didnt have knowledge.

Its a bit like telling the cops you didnt see the 50K sign when you were do 100K.

Its doesnt wash. You are guilty.
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September 13, 2019 9:32am
chaos

*National’s attacks over sexual assault scandal ‘unethical’ – Willie Jackson*

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/09/national-s-attacks-over-sexual-assault-scandal-unethical-willie-jackson.html

Silly Willy, this is what you should be outraged over you moron

““I remember I was looking at the screen and I felt him lean down over me onto my shoulder,” she said.

Initially, she tried to ignore him but then he began touching her, in some instances beneath her clothing.

She said he pulled her off the chair and onto the floor, pinning her down as she struggled.

“I remember him just saying, ‘shhh,’ and shushing me or telling me to be quiet without explicitly telling me, or he’d press his arm down on my windpipe.”

The woman claimed he groped and digitally penetrated her.

After the man rolled off her, she left the house in a panic and walked the 25 minutes back to her house.

“I just broke down. I was too scared to stop moving, I just wanted to get out of there,” she told The Spinoff.”
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September 13, 2019 9:37am
- srylands
  
  “or he’d press his arm down on my windpipe”
  
  Men who suffocate/strangle/restrict the breathing of women are a time bomb. Restricting a woman’s breathing is both terrifying for the victim, and an expression of control. And if the behaviour keeps up, there is a high chance of a fatal incident.
  
  I respect her decision not to do so, but if she had gone to the police that night, this guy may have been nailed because there may have been forensic evidence to back her story. With latest technology, it does not take much.
  
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  September 13, 2019 10:17am
- rightoverlabour
  
  Hey Willy, so you don’t think attempted Rape is serious? Just because your Commy Queen is having a slow-motion train wreck doesn’t mean that National are being “unethical”. What’s “unethical” is the fucking cover-up you stupid plonker….
  
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  September 13, 2019 11:45am
srylands

OK I have had my yearly dose of The Standard. This is typical of several comments.

“So these loyal Labour activist complainants, who had something massively bad happen to them in their workplace, and who have been investigated over a long time, and had the process of their complaints investigated, and were so pissed off about it that as long term loyal Labour activists working inside the Labour government, felt so triggered that it was time that they as sleeper agents for National decided to rise up and use this political moment to go straight to National’s lead spokesperson on all things gender and welfare and betray their Labour government they just fought years for, in order to undermine an Ardern media plan. “
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September 13, 2019 9:47am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I read that too…
  but wondered if it was sarcastic hyperbole directed back at the commenters on The Standard who are running with the view that it’s all Paula’s fault.
  
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  September 13, 2019 10:24am
  - srylands
    
    Who knows? I can’t separate satire from reality on this issue.
    
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    September 13, 2019 10:30am
- Local Miller
  
  Didn’t I say a few days ago that this would be blamed on National plants?
  
  Didn’t take long, did it!
  
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  September 13, 2019 2:04pm
Happychappy

Labour youth wing member, ‘can’t keep quiet https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/398684/labour-youth-wing-member-heartbroken-over-handling-of-allegations injustices going on’.
He says he is heartbroken and doubting his committment to the party now.
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September 13, 2019 9:56am
Maggie Pie

Hard to believe its only 3 months till Chrissy!
Sooo pleased to read ‘crop-tops’ are making a comeback -I’ve still got a drawer full of them from last century LOL!!
Anyways, here’s a few little tips for all the other girls here who might want to get theirs out 🙂

https://twitter.com/TheSun/status/1172266694234034177
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September 13, 2019 10:10am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Actually, talking about “all the other girls” – i wonder whats happened to Waikato, Rachael, Monique, etc, that used to be here? I really miss them 🙁
  
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  September 13, 2019 10:26am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    WaikatoGirl is over on YSB
    
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    September 13, 2019 11:12am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Really? I had no idea she was a Manchester United fan.
      
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      September 13, 2019 12:58pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Do you reckon the “boys” can wear crop tops too?
  https://previews.123rf.com/images/avemario/avemario1704/avemario170400419/76042974-people-nutrition-body-shape-and-healthy-lifestyle-concept-happy-young-plump-chubby-man-with-curly-gi.jpg
  
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  September 13, 2019 10:32am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    LOL!! and a ginga to boot 🙁
    
    The thing i love is going out somewhere wearing my old school blazer and stretchy GG jeans. The look on guys faces when they read the motto on the breast pocket. Priceless.
    
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    September 13, 2019 10:48am
    - rightoverlabour
      
      They are not reading the motto….
      
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      September 13, 2019 11:42am
  - chaos
    
    Awww, a pregnant man.
    
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    September 13, 2019 11:49am
marcw

We may now have our ‘Luminaries’ moment, where the “Marvelly” is about to sing and end the show. BTW, where are the coven of sycophants that usually #wetoo at the um um …ah,um ah utterances?
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September 13, 2019 10:20am
- kevn
  
  @marcw… The sisterhood are noticeable by their absence. Hardly a peep, really committed to the cause aren’t they. Not. Just leave it to mid stream NZer’s and males who have daughters to ensure it is all out there.
  
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  September 13, 2019 10:55am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Green Bitch Coven are very quite. Maybe they have realised that Jacinda’s mess could garner votes for them.
    The irony of this mess is that Paula Bennet has looked brilliant in this. And all because Labour treats young labour like cannon fodder.
    
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    September 13, 2019 11:40am
  - MCos
    
    Don’t look too hard
    
    https://amp.theguardian.com/world/commentisfree/2019/sep/13/labours-metoo-moment-eats-away-at-jacinda-arderns-most-prized-asset-trust?__twitter_impression=true
    
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    September 13, 2019 3:57pm
stephieboy

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Meanwhile, Boris Johson’s bad dream and implosion continues,

https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/absolutely-not-boris-johnson-denies-lying-to-the-queen-20190913-p52qv9.html

and of course nor foregetting ,

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/11/scottish-judges-rule-boris-johnsons-prorogation-unlawful
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September 13, 2019 10:26am
- Maggie Pie
  
  oh hi steph – a few of us were wondering where you were 🙂
  
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  September 13, 2019 10:52am
- rightoverlabour
  
  Hi Stephieboy. A serious question, Do you believe the Prime Minister didn’t know. If so, can you give us a plausible reason as to why she didn’t know? I would like to believe that she is an honourable person.
  
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  September 13, 2019 11:37am
  - stephieboy
    
    rightoverlabour. I’m happy to accept her word. It is not as though the “allegations” occurred in a public space!
    
    Note “allegations “!
    
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    September 13, 2019 12:26pm
    - rightoverlabour
      
      Not the allegations. Her versions of what she knew and didn’t know. Hopefully, a court will decide on the allegations soon.
      
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      September 13, 2019 12:46pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Yes her version unless proved to the contrary!
        
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        September 13, 2019 1:09pm
    - chaos
      
      That is a no he can’t, and is avoiding your actual question, but seems happen it happened in a private space, what a creep
      
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      September 13, 2019 12:55pm
- WaveyDavey
  
  I’m pretty sure that you don’t know what unlawful, in a constitutional context, means sweetieboy
  
  Hint: it doesn’t mean illegal.
  
  You also omit to mention that the same case taken to the Welsh, Irish and indeed English courts failed. The Supreme Court which outranks ALL national courts has yet to rule.
  
  But hey, go ahead clutch at the 1 straw out of 4.
  
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  September 13, 2019 3:08pm
Captain Mainwaring

So steph’s turned up after three days away and of course he has to talk about Boris instead of the major scandal consuming NZ at the moment.
Par for the course.
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September 13, 2019 10:51am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  instead of the major scandal consuming NZ at the moment.
  
  Don’t get yourself into a moral, wowser frenzy about those young folk, Captain……
  
  stephieboy thinks it is a laughing matter
  “LOL”
  
  https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/09/general_debate_13_september_2019.html/comment-page-1#comment-2556482
  
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  September 13, 2019 11:16am
  - stephieboy
    
    MW , I was referring to the two-faced approach by, many KB posters like you to the allegations.
    
    On the one hand, moralising hand wringing over the allegations but happy to ignore the US President ‘s Stormy Daniel’s and other sexcapades.
    
    BTW thoughts on the beleaguered UK PM?
    
    I also note how Brexiter fanboy All on Red is silent on the Boris debacle!
    
    More thoughts?
    
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    September 13, 2019 12:34pm
    - rightoverlabour
      
      Stormy Daniels is a Pornstar. She shags to make millions. There is NO fucking comparison.
      
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      September 13, 2019 12:47pm
    - chaos
      
      Oh no Donald trump had consensual sex with another adult. Certainly isn’t the Labour Party or democrat way. As for your other stories, already been disproved.
      
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      September 13, 2019 12:53pm
      - stephieboy
        
        chaos , groping etc consensual?
        
        https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/list-trumps-accusers-allegations-sexual-misconduct/story?id=51956410
        
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        September 13, 2019 1:03pm
      - chaos
        
        Groping you mean where she claimed he lifted up the arm rest on a plane seat that actually can not be lifted up on that plane and that another passenger already came forward and said this woman was flirting with trump and that he didn’t do anything to her
        
        And yes stormy Daniels was consensual.
        
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        September 13, 2019 1:53pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      the two-faced approach by, many KB posters like you to
      
      When have I ever approved of abuse, stephieboy?
      
      Why would you lump me in with people like you who have time after time resorted to using abuse and lies on this blog?
      
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      September 13, 2019 1:40pm
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        Maggy, just ignore the perverted little prick.
        
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        September 13, 2019 8:07pm
Sofia

Labour controversy
That History is to become a compulsory subject in schools, is seen by some as being an intended distraction announcement by the Labour Government to divert attention from some of their present controversy, which if one looks at the handling of the matter – a promulgation of an inquiry, when the issue arises because, in part, evidence presented to an earlier related inquiry has been obviously been ignored – which demonstrates the Government has just totally failed to learn from history.

Did I express that right? Do you get it – how fucking ironic this is?
Or entertaining? It may be the only funny thing about this whole mess.
So, sadly, not much of a return.
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September 13, 2019 11:41am
- rightoverlabour
  
  “Morning Class. In today’s History Lesson, we are going to learn about the biggest Scandal In New Zealand’s modern Era. A certain Jacinda Ardern….
  
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  September 13, 2019 12:49pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  NZ history was once taught. It was probably dropped because it revealed undesirable Maori cultural practices particularly in their selection of meat.
  
  There is no Maori nation, just seven warring tribes with long memories. Which history do they propose teaching? There is a present movement to bring back utu so wounds may be scratched open.
  
  Queen Victoria saved the Maori population from almost certain extinction. Are we now going to count the cost of maintaining them since 1840?
  History is a multi-edged reamer.
  
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  September 13, 2019 4:39pm
Swifty

Call a damn election and let NZers voice their opinion of this rabble!
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September 13, 2019 11:43am
- igm
  
  They will be like their contemporary Corbyn in Britain, too gutless to face the public in a vote, yet mouth off and wreck a fragile economy.
  Ardern is here thanks to the vile and simplistic Peters and has no show in hell of winning an election.
  
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  September 13, 2019 2:21pm
Swifty

Maybe Nostradamus can dig out Stiffy’s many posts extolling the effectiveness and saintliness of Ardern’s leadership skills.
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September 13, 2019 11:56am
- stephieboy
  
  Swift, why wait? Have a go yourself! What’s stopping you?
  
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  September 13, 2019 12:45pm
secondcumming

Anyone else catch *Andrew Bolt* on Sky News absolutely grilling Chinese Liberal MP Gladys Liu? Well worth a watch….not for what she said, but for what she wouldn’t say.

Was trying to imagine *Jack Tame* on Q&A conducting a similar interview with National MP Jian Yang.

Yes Sirrie Bob 😎
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September 13, 2019 11:56am
rightoverlabour

John Tamihere may well have been right all those years ago when he described his collegues…

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/comment/editorials/8034670/Editorial-Stick-to-talkback-Mr-Tamihere
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September 13, 2019 12:06pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  TBH, i’ve never ever bothered voting in the local elections – but having just read that, not only will i be getting off my ass and voting for JT, i may even see if he wants to erect a billboard in Vicky Ave 🙂
  
  Love it!!
  
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  September 13, 2019 12:34pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    I am definitely voting for him. Calls a spade a spade. Jacinda could learn a few things from him.
    
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    September 13, 2019 12:50pm
- stephieboy
  
  From your link,
  
  “..Given his track record, Mr Tamihere, now a talkback host, might have anticipated questions about his attitude towards women and minority groups, particularly as he celebrated his readmission to the Labour Party by calling Social Development Minister Paula Bennett “that bloody fat girl”.
  
  The questions did not need to prove an impassable obstacle. In fact they provided him with an opportunity to show he had matured since losing his Tamaki Makaurau seat in 2005 and to draw a line between his ”
  
  Feedback, please !
  
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  September 13, 2019 12:36pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    When you’re sitting outside St Lukes Mall trying to post comments on KB but you’ve also got Goat Grinder open and youve only got 1% battery. LOL!!
    
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DqcYvU8WkAUQC_c.jpg
    
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    September 13, 2019 1:13pm
    - chaos
      
      Wonder what he was shopping for before going on goat grinder
      
      https://www.cafepress.ca/+goat+underwear
      
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      September 13, 2019 1:36pm
    - stephieboy
      
      MW, so you have condemned the US President’s sexcapades?
      
      When?
      
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      September 13, 2019 1:54pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        What has the US President got to do with me, stephieboy?
        
        I’m not a US citizen.
        
        If someone has sexually abused someone I think it is wrong.
        
        If consenting adults engage in sex, it is NONE of my FUCKING business.
        
        I think it is wrong that you stalk me, abuse me, make slimy little comments about me on this blog.
        
        But I’m sure the P of USA doesn’t give a rat’s arse about my predicament.
        
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        September 13, 2019 3:27pm
      - stephieboy
        
        MW, “I’m not a US Citizen”
        
        ?? Relevancy?
        
        Stalking??
        
        Stalking and harassment
        
        If you’re being harassed by someone you’re not in a relationship with, you can apply for a restraining order.
        
        Harassment
        
        Harassment has a legal definition — on at least two separate occasions within a period of 12 months, the harasser needs to have committed “specific acts”, like:
        following you
        entering your property without your permission
        unwanted or threatening phone calls or letters
        giving you offensive material
        doing something that makes you fear for your safety.
        
        https://www.govt.nz/browse/law-crime-and-justice/abuse-harassment-domestic-violence/stalking-and-harassment/
        
        Stop being so facile and precious!
        
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        September 13, 2019 7:30pm
      - Swifty
        
        Stalker.
        
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        September 13, 2019 9:01pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Maggie Pie. not sitting at St Luke’s Shopping mall but merely observing two westernised young Muslim women demonstrating the ability of the same to integrate into NZ society!
      
      Not the twisted constructions of certain puerile KB posters!
      
      “If you tell the truth, you don’t have to remember anything.” ― Mark Twain.
      
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      September 13, 2019 1:58pm
      - chaos
        
        Puerile is what you have been doing you little shit, victim blaming, making jokes and laughing at the victims of sexual abuse. Time you take a real good look at yourself and the vile attitude you have towards people especially those who haven’t been sexually abused.
        
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        September 13, 2019 2:11pm
      - chaos
        
        Hat should be those who have been sexually abused, damn autocorrect
        
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        September 13, 2019 2:30pm
      - igm
        
        This is the sort of person you hold in high esteem is it?
        https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/iraqi-refugee-raped-10-year-old-boy-swimming-pool-vienna-austria-sentence-conviction-overturned-a7377491.html
        
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        September 13, 2019 5:04pm
      - Rich Prick
        
        No, you reported on their tits and tight fitting jeans. Are you a senior Labour staffer?
        
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        September 13, 2019 7:42pm
  - skyblue
    
    How is your goat after a 3 day hiatus from Kiwiblog?
    
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    September 13, 2019 1:16pm
  - Swifty
    
    ‘Feedback, please !’
    
    I strongly advise you to never reply to a post from Maggy ever again.
    
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    September 13, 2019 1:17pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  Not being Goff is a good point, for sure. But there is no denying that Tamihere has said some extremely misogynistic crap.
  
  I can’t vote for either.
  
  Quite relevant to the current Ardern and sexual assault crisis:
  
  “At the time Tamihere was a co-host on Radio Live with Willie Jackson, who is now a cabinet minister. At least five girls laid complaints with the police.
  
  Live on air, Tamihere and Jackson interviewed a girl who said she was a friend of one of the complainants, who alleged she had been raped.
  
  The two men seemed to belittle the girl and trivialise the accusations.
  
  They cast doubt on her story, suggested the youths’ behaviour wasn’t serious and wondered aloud whether blame should be shared by the girls as well as the youths.”
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12196024
  
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  September 13, 2019 1:17pm
Swifty

Threats of harm and destruction from New Zealanders force British couple to stop the sale of something that belongs to them:

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/08/m-ori-cloak-auction-cancelled-after-kiwis-threaten-owners-with-abuse.html
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September 13, 2019 1:01pm
Swifty

I hate to say it New Zealand – but you were warned….

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/115758931/asb-cuts-growth-forecast-warns-economy-could-have-shrunk
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September 13, 2019 1:02pm
- Poppa
  
  Yes finally one economist sees what we have been saying for months. In the real world I can see the slowdown first hand.
  
  Labour can’t blame the world as our exports are going well, this is all internal.
  
  The only surprise about it is how quickly they managed to stuff it
  
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  September 13, 2019 2:13pm
  - barnacle bill
    
    You are wrong Poppa.
    
    The slow down is becoming world wide, as I suspect you know already.
    
    Just take a look at Australia, which are our biggest trader.
    
    https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/australian-economy/time-to-open-your-wallet-scomo-how-australia-could-dodge-a-devastating-recession/news-story/20922d3c81d87d48ee3ac3c43ce31eb5
    
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    September 13, 2019 3:56pm
Bobba Fret

How many more Labour resignations can we expect?
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September 13, 2019 1:18pm
MrTips

Behind the total paywall that is now the NBR, but a great headline nonetheless:

Stuff so stuffed it may need NZME, says analyst
Media company’s future ‘increasingly problematic’, says Jarden.
By Dita De Boni
Fri, 13 Sep 2019
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September 13, 2019 2:02pm
- sooty
  
  Die you bastard die!
  
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  September 13, 2019 2:50pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  which is why they wholeheartedly agree with everything the coalition members have ever said or thought – they are hoping for tax payers money to be thrust their way.
  
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  September 13, 2019 3:08pm
- WaveyDavey
  
  So stuffed its owners can’t give it away
  
  Well done Sinead Boucher, from a low-level reporter doing the police calls in London* to destroying an NZ media organisation. All in 10 years, almost rivals Sly Bailey for incompetence.
  
  But hey, your payout and super will be gold-plated, natch. All thanks to the Auckland-hating Chch Catlick mafia who of course went to the right two schools (left-footedness compulsory).
  
  *CV hagiography describes this as the “terrorist beat” FFS
  
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  September 13, 2019 3:12pm
  - MrTips
    
    Indeed WaveyDavey.
    
    I went to school with both Boucher and Keith Lyons (well not Boucher as she went to Villa, but around same years). Keith had the great luxury of living right across the road so could roll out 5′ before first bell. He was a nice enough guy but somewhere along the way he’s got the ClimateFever™ in a big way.
    
    Sinead on the other hand, freely admitted publicly she only got her first London job by turning up to someone’s else’s interview. She also freely admitted to being “a bit of a handful” at Villa, but then who wasn’t. Reports were full of “must try harder” and “does ok when here”.
    
    Not all ChCh Catholics hate Auckland by the way…..:-)
    
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    September 13, 2019 3:53pm
    - WaveyDavey
      
      Sorry, that was the FFX media mafia.
      
      The Chch Post execs loathed the Akl office – basically jealous because we had news (and competence) and they didn’t. So as soon as they got control they put their placemen into position and sacked the old hands.
      
      And here we are… a disaster area of a news organisation where nobody knows what they’re doing or where they’re going. And that stems from the top down.
      
      BTW, they hated Wellington too and did the same to the DomPo. Glad to be out of it tbh.
      
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      September 13, 2019 7:07pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Labour still in full spin mode

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/115773503/labour-scandal-terms-of-reference-dont-include-initial-investigation-prompting-council-stoush
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September 13, 2019 2:15pm
- cmm
  
  The point of the investigation is PR and damage control:
  We held an investigation and we found nussing.
  
  The trusting people believe them and move on.
  
  However, their trust is blown, people know there is a cover up. Whatever the investigation shows will not be believed.
  
  And the bigger question looms? Why no criminal investigation by cops? Are gangs also allowed to run their own internal investigations when someone is caught selling drugs?
  
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  September 13, 2019 2:30pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Time the Head of Parliamentary services called the cops in and embargoed all computers, emails, txts etc between those in the know.
    
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    September 13, 2019 3:34pm
    - chaos
      
      Well I guess we know who down ticked you not wanting the police to get to the bottom of this, vile and disgusting to not want the police involved
      
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      September 13, 2019 3:51pm
      - Kevin Herlihy
        
        The fact that the complainant did not lay a complaint with Police is unusual.
        At this stage, despite the public outrage, the alleged incident is an allegation.
        The person at the centre of the allegation has refuted the claims and apparently has engaged QC’s.
        
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        September 13, 2019 4:32pm
      - chaos
        
        And would you lay a complaint Kevin? Because if it was me I wouldn’t. I’ve seen on Twitter how labour supporters have attacked on of the victims from the summer camp. And we are seeing how labour mps and supporters have attacked and laughed at the victims of this current sexual assaults.
        
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        September 13, 2019 4:46pm
    - niggly
      
      Trouble is Labour won’t just be using emails etc, they’ve previously said they use social media apps (which can’t be “recorded/archived etc”) so me-thinks Labour offering to have computer forensics examinations won’t result in finding any emails (between the Labour Exec) detailing sexual assaults … which is exactly what they want, to “exonerate” them (because they either verbally or via SM apps “discussed” it via these non-traceable mediums). If so, the cover up continues …
      
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      September 13, 2019 4:38pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Yeah, and they’ve had weeks to scrub any records.
        
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        September 13, 2019 7:18pm
Inandout

So handy to get a decent plastic bag at Myers and plastic straws abound, thanks Melbourne.
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September 13, 2019 2:20pm
secondcumming

NBR reporting liquidators say *Stanley Group* owe creditors in excess of $10million… and that the Directors may have breached the Construction Contract Act.

I know one poor bastard who’s owed over 600k. He’s currently shedding staff and having to possibly sell his house to stay afloat.

Meanwhile…..
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September 13, 2019 2:26pm
chaos

Hosking and Hooton are worth the listen

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/mike-hosking-breakfast/audio/matthew-hooton-says-pms-handling-of-sexual-allegations-a-blow-to-her-brand/#ath

Matthew Hooton: Where has our ‘open and transparent’ PM gone?
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September 13, 2019 2:38pm
Maggy Wassilieff

meanwhile..
Firms are falling over like sprayed flies..
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/115656362/blenheim-construction-firm-rose-built-homes-goes-into-liquidation

Tower Cranes NZ placed in receivership
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12265249
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September 13, 2019 3:37pm
- chaos
  
  The regions which were booming under the previous government are now starting to slow, and that is bad news when Canterbury is slowing down. Tough times ahead thanks to this government,
  
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  September 13, 2019 3:50pm
  - barnacle bill
    
    It wouldn’t have anything to do with the building regeneration slowing down chaos would it.
    
    Stick with the truth, instead of accusations and insinuations.
    
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    September 13, 2019 4:14pm
    - Swifty
      
      The truth is that this government has not demonstrated that it cares about the production of wealth one iota.
      
      Rather, it appears consumed purely with its posession and redistribution.
      
      A slowing economy is the natural result of this approach.
      
      This is why a society is unwise to elect politicians drawn solely from the union, teaching and academic communities. Such people believe money grows on trees.
      
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      September 13, 2019 4:24pm
      - barnacle bill
        
        You do talk bullshit Swifty.
        
        I notice that you spend a lot of your life on KB.
        
        You need to get out and look around, it may surprise at the activity going on in the big wide world.
        
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        September 13, 2019 4:35pm
      - Swifty
        
        Name me one Labour policy or action in the last two years that has lowered the cost of business or enhanced its ease.
        
        Now list all the policies and actions that have raised the cost of business and harmed its ease.
        
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        September 13, 2019 6:10pm
    - chaos
      
      Actually no it has nothing to do with that.
      
      Down here is south can’t the region is slowing, the farmers are not buying the new machinery they typically do, they aren’t spending like they typically do, and business are struggling, with a couple collapsing in the past few weeks.
      
      I doubt you know what the truth is.
      
      And when Canterbury is slowing like this then the country is in for a bumpy ride.
      
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      September 13, 2019 4:44pm
      - barnacle bill
        
        Don’t pretend you are a expert on all things Canterbury, Chaos.
        
        I have lived here for the last 75 years, I know many Farmers, and they are not complaining at all’
        Yes, there is the water issues, and this will be sorted over time, for sure.
        Both beef and lamb are paying top dollar at the moment, that will flow through to the local towns, no doubt.
        
        There are many new utes and tractors all over the province.
        
        But, you don’t open the one eye you have, you keep making things up for political purposes.
        
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        September 13, 2019 7:12pm
slightlyrighty

Kua eke rānei ki te hāora inu pia?
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September 13, 2019 4:02pm
- igm
  
  When is this charade going to cease. I am sick of hearing gibberish on radio, seeing it in papers . . . in fact, anywhere.
  
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  September 13, 2019 4:54pm
chaos

Someone is back, hmmm, I’d take more time off if I was him u til the clusterbleep is done

https://mobile.twitter.com/winstonpeters
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September 13, 2019 4:07pm
Swifty

Our freedoms being stolen bit by bit…..

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12267442

So for someone getting their license at 16 and living till 80 they will be forced to undergo the cost, stress and hassle of being examined over A DOZEN TIMES – purely for having a .22 in the cupboard for targets or bunnies or a shotgun for clays or ducks.

This is not about safety.

This is about politicians who a. don’t like firearms and so therefore other people shouldn’t have them and b. they think there’s votes in it.
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September 13, 2019 4:17pm
- cmm
  
  They don’t need new laws. Just enforce current laws properly!
  
  Now that the police force seems to have gone soft on rape and obstruction of justice you’d think they’d have a bit more time to sort out the gangs.
  
  The new laws will make life harder and harder for legitimate gun users. Gangs don’t care and will continue to not care.
  
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  September 13, 2019 5:34pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  Yup. as HDPA said strict rules for law abiding gun owners but for gangs, yea nah…
  
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  September 13, 2019 5:48pm
Swifty

Dancing for oldies at the St Lukes Anglican Church Hall, on Monday nights:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/well-good/inspire-me/115374004/septuagenarian-dancer-susan-jordan-tells-older-people-to-claim-your-space

Fill your boots Stiffy.
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September 13, 2019 4:31pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Swifty:
  
  Every Monday, I go to the St Luke’s Anglican Church hall to teach two senior dance classes. Most of my students are in their mid 70s but I’ve got some in their late 80s. We start off sitting in chairs.
  
  Mid 70s and late 80s? I think Stephieboy prefers a younger demographic:
  
  The Yoga Pantry is now happily located under the St Albans Church, at 443 Dominion Road, offering regular weekly yoga classes for people of all ages and abilities. … Come and see us at The Yoga Pantry and find out if yoga is the right fit for your lifestyle.
  
  The mere thought of young girls wearing tight-fitting leotards, revealing small but ample breasts, would be enough to get Stephieboy whacking off!
  
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  September 13, 2019 6:01pm
  - Swifty
    
    Oh er!
    
    🙂
    
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    September 13, 2019 6:12pm
igm

So Ardern has now given $8.7 million taxpayers’ money to so-called impacted Christchurch terrorist victims.
We are not only a money tree to the privileged race, but now the Islamists are joining the queue.
What about farmers this CoL have put in dire straits, they that are paying for most of this?
This vile incompetent PTPM must go, preferably taking her new found friends with her.
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September 13, 2019 4:39pm
Swifty

More rewriting of history and bastardising the true meaning of words to suit their agenda by the UN and Stuff:

Māori are not indigenous

According the the United Nations they are. The UN Permanent Forum on Indigenous Issues says an official definition of indigenous has not been adopted by any UN-system body, because of the diversity of indigenous peoples.

Instead, a modern understanding of the term has been developed based on a range of factors. Among those are historical continuity with pre-colonial and/or pre-settler societies, strong links to territories and surrounding natural resources, distinct social or political systems, and distinct language, culture and beliefs.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/115746339/new-zealand-history-can-be-contentious-and-some-ideas-are-just-plain-wrong
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September 13, 2019 4:58pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  https://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/2016/01/mike-butler-disinterest-in-pre-maori.html
  
  and
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/northern-advocate/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503450&objectid=11086095
  
  https://treatygate.wordpress.com/2013/05/10/kupes-descendant-confirms-other-races-were-here-first/
  
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  September 13, 2019 5:47pm
Maggy Wassilieff

A couple of good reads from Chris Trotter:

http://bowalleyroad.blogspot.com/2019/09/a-movement-that-no-longer-moves.html

http://bowalleyroad.blogspot.com/2019/09/labours-fatal-flaw.html
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September 13, 2019 5:06pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  A very pertinent quote from the second link above
  
  “They did not understand that the invitation to come forward with their personal experiences of sexual misconduct was never meant to be taken seriously. They did not grasp that the prime objective of the Labour Party is not to build a better, fairer world, but to win the next election. Or, that the people to be protected within the party are not its youngest and most idealistic members, but its most skilled electoral technicians; the paid staffers who know their way around the ever-more-complex circuitry of political power.”
  
  And remember Trotter is a Lefty…
  
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  September 13, 2019 5:41pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Powerful words… explains it all, really.
    
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    September 13, 2019 6:10pm
Happychappy

Helen Clarke can’t help her self and has have her say on Jacinda as the saying goes no show without punch.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12267552
Backing Jacinda doesn’t mean that she can assure the public that the Prime Minister hasn’t deceived or lied to them.
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September 13, 2019 5:09pm
- Rich Prick
  
  We were ready with the garlic, and the useless bloke with the wooden stake had just one job to do.
  
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  September 13, 2019 5:52pm
- MrTips
  
  You know it’s bad when a washed up, has been UN reject gets to be your “A-grade” defender on Twitter. Helen, I for one don’t care what you think after you and Cullen destroyed NZ https://mobile.twitter.com/hamishpricenz/status/1172381202751217667
  
  And Hamish Price looks a little bit suck up in that exchange.
  
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  September 13, 2019 6:31pm
- Nostradamus
  
  From Happychappy’s link:
  
  Clark said she could appreciate the position the Prime Minister was in. “I’m a very strong supporter of Jacinda Ardern, I have sat in her seat, I know what it’s like when people let you down, she will deal with it and move on.”
  
  When asked why she made that assertion Clark said she knew Ardern had been let down – “end of story”.
  
  She had no further comment to make, including whether Labour should have learned the lesson first time around, after the youth camp controversy.
  
  So Helen Clark had “no further comment to make” about anything other than Jacinda is great. What about a comment expressing regret that someone was allegedly sexually assaulted?
  
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  September 13, 2019 7:22pm
Jack5

Good post by Karl du Fresne on Guled Mire, taken in by NZ as a refugee who says NZ is being racist by restricting inflow of refugees from Africa and the Middle East:

http://karldufresne.blogspot.com/2019/09/new-zealand-shining-light-or-breeding.html
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September 13, 2019 5:24pm
- Pheobe
  
  A good post, worth a read as it’s a balanced article.
  
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  September 13, 2019 8:01pm
greybeard

These proposed new firearms laws:

How could a register of firearms have any effect on the hundreds ( if not thousands ) of firearms held by unlicensed people ?

These unlicensed people might be (a) honest and law-abiding but simply non-licensed, or (b) they may be druggies, crooks, gang-members, gang-wannabees, whatever.

But these latter are hardly going to admit to holding illegal firearms.
So what is the point of this proposed new law?

Just another stupid, reactionary Labour-Party-led “govt” decision, to make some sort of statement.

Millions of $$ wasted on another example of ideological lunacy.
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September 13, 2019 5:55pm
Nostradamus

Stuff comes to the rescue on Friday: Tears, cheers and chills at Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern’s Christchurch school visit

Kathy said Ardern had asked the [kapa haka] performance group if they were cold. She responded she was freezing, so Ardern handed her her coat. It was an exciting moment, and one she wouldn’t forget, she said. Ardern had no worries about handing over her coat, “which has many pen scribbles on it anyway”.

Hooray!
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September 13, 2019 6:10pm
- fernglas
  
  I’d be more impressed if she gave her house to some of the homeless she has let down with her her failed Kiwi Build fiasco, or half her salary to the abused children she has failed to help.
  
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  September 13, 2019 6:36pm
- Inandout
  
  Cindy is in so much hot water she doesn’t need that coat
  
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  September 13, 2019 7:27pm
- Rich Prick
  
  ????
  
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  September 13, 2019 7:38pm
- dog_eat_dog
  
  There is literally nothing on the landing frame about this.
  
  I know about a faux pas that Prince Harry made, that an AB is out of the RWC squad and an unwarranted vehicle that involved in a crash.
  
  Nothing about the PM’s staff and any cover-up, investigation or sexual assault is visible on Stuff.co.nz when you first bring up the page. Colour me totally surprised.
  
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  September 13, 2019 7:43pm
- tranquil
  
  “Do a Cindy” – to do something which distracts attention from something bad or shameful that you have either done or been associated with.
  
  Can also be used when *someone else* does the distracting action.
  
  “I really stuffed up that report at work but I “did a Cindy” and no-one noticed.”
  
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  September 13, 2019 7:54pm
rightoverlabour

I am assuming Jacinda will stop obfuscating and make a sincere timely gesture if these 8 are executed..

http://www.thepolitics.online/2019/07/iran-to-execute-8-christians-for.html?fbclid=IwAR0sePlMsa8Q4M0zFPuyaaNWzQu-tSM5CTOjjyQAKT4I1Gdo21JZdv8j4Ks
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September 13, 2019 6:34pm
tranquil

Saw a few hundred children, accompanied by their teach- sorry, brainwashers – walking along Lambton Quay this morning. A “Maori Language” thing apparently.

This got me thinking on how it might be possible to start “rolling back” and fixing the damage done to our country by the Left (started by Dutschke and his followers).

It would be *great* if the Nats did a “How did it get to this?” campaign ad that mentioned Dutschke and what he urged the Left to do (and he was *completely successful*).

“Schools, universities, media, councils, government – all controlled by the Left! How did it get to this?” Cue a 30-second-or so clip of Dutschke and what he did.

Any Nats media folks out there? How about it?

Hmmm…… I wonder if a “phone app” of some kind that did much the same thing would be a good idea. It would need to somehow be *instantly* attention-grabbing and I don’t know how that could be done.
If an awesome phone app (or even a *game* – “Stop Dutschke!”, say) – could be “put out there” – such a thing would be a *really good start* to informing the masses of what the Left have done to our society.

I’m thinking along the lines of the populace “inoculating” themselves against Leftist BS. A phone app would be **perfect** for that!
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September 13, 2019 6:57pm
Kabull

I don’t know if this has been posted on KB yet. Is this how Prime Ministers are meant to look and act?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=23&v=6XPQ2xdFUOI
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September 13, 2019 7:14pm
- tranquil
  
  She’s bouncing around like a hyperactive 15-year-old schoolgirl.
  Looks like she’s on amphetamines.
  If she is, I’m surprised that the drugs have anything to act on.
  
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  September 13, 2019 8:15pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Kabull:
  
  I notice that they’ve added English subtitles. Quite understandable, really, given the way she tends to mangle her words!
  
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  September 13, 2019 8:22pm
- Rodney Randall
  
  3:07 sec “Freenom of Exbwession” ???
  
  WTF IS THIS MAD WOMAN ON???
  
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  September 13, 2019 8:37pm
- Rodney Randall
  
  it’s sure is “FUSTRATING” (SIC)
  
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  September 13, 2019 8:40pm
  - softail 1450
    
    R R , NZ doesn’t need the death penalty, the most heinous of violent murdering thugs should be forced to watch and listen to that creature 24hrs a day for a few years, that would rehabilitate even the worst criminals known to mankind to never ever wanting to return to prison again.
    The only problem with that solution would be that I have no doubt the UN would deem it cruel and unusual punishment and ban it..
    
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    September 14, 2019 7:01am
Captain Mainwaring

Full marks to that man. Pity there aren’t a lot more of him.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/115785397/westland-mayor-wont-support-climate-change-agreement-until-costs-are-known
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September 13, 2019 8:03pm
chaos

Jacinda the liar Ardern has been caught lying again

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/09/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-was-sent-email-by-alleged-sexual-assault-victim.html

The Prime Minister says she is not in direct contact with any of the complainants in the Labour sexual assault and bullying investigation.

But Newshub was copied into an email on Thursday night, which was – sent directly to Jacinda Ardern – from someone who says they told Labour they were assaulted by the staffer who resigned yesterday.
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September 13, 2019 9:02pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Jacinda needs to front up
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/09/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-was-sent-email-by-alleged-sexual-assault-victim.html
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September 13, 2019 9:31pm
Hugh Pavletich

NEW ZEALAND: Sadly … just more of the Ardern Governments constant incompetence …

Duncan Garner: Jacinda Ardern could be forced to resign … Newshub

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/09/duncan-garner-jacinda-ardern-could-be-forced-to-resign.html

‘PM is incompetent and out of her depth’ – Kate Hawkesby and Tim Wilson … NewtalkZB

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/mike-hosking-breakfast/audio/kate-hawkesby-and-tim-wilson-jacinda-ardern-is-out-of-her-depth/

Nationals Housing Crisis to Labours Housing Disaster … The Listener Editorial mid-February this year (access extensive further background information via http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org ) …

NEW ZEALAND HOUSING: FROM CRISIS TO DISASTER – PERFORMANCE URBAN PLANNING

http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/General%20June.html

NEW ZEALAND HOUSING: FROM CRISIS TO DISASTER … EDITORIAL THE LISTENER.

The KiwiBuild failure should galvanise urgent action on NZ’s housing disaster – EDITORIAL – The Listener

When a nation’s flagship housing policy is such a spectacular failure that it makes the New York Times, the minister in charge cannot avoid the international embarrassment. …

… Many of the obstacles New Zealanders have faced in trying to build their own homes – in particular, the cost of land, labour and materials – are largely outside the control of developers, regardless of ownership, and even of scale….

… concluding …

… The recent Demographia International Report, which compares median house prices in seven wealthy countries plus Hong Kong, reports that in Australia housing has become more affordable over the past year as prices fell due to tightening credit. Yet, alarmingly, New Zealand housing has simply become more unaffordable since this Government took office. Property here is now further out of reach than in the US, Australia and the UK. This is beyond embarrassment. This is a national disaster.

New Zealand Vowed 100,000 New Homes to Ease Crunch. So Far It Has Built 47. – The New York Times

New Zealand housing crisis: just 47 ‘affordable’ homes built in six months | Eleanor Ainge Roy | World news | The Guardian
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September 13, 2019 11:53pm
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  … AUSTRALIA …
  
  Australia’s new ‘class system’ : Why PROPERTY is more important than salary in 2019 – and you’re not ‘rich’ if you earn $150,000-a-year … DAILY MAIL
  
  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7458629/why-earning-150-000-year-no-longer-makes-rich.html
  
  • University of Sydney professors said property not wages determined wealth
  
  • Lisa Adkins, Melinda Cooper and Martijn Konings had investors as the richest
  
  • Home owners with mortgage put in the middle with renters, homeless at bottom
  
  • Having rich parents was seen as big factor in whether someone was wealthy … read more via hyperlink above …
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  .
  …. Access helpful recent U.S info …
  
  https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/09/general_debate_11_september_2019.html/comment-page-1#comment-2555482
  
  https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/09/general_debate_11_september_2019.html/comment-page-1#comment-2555434
  
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