General Debate 12 September 2019

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oldpark

Thought for today. For Peters selected NZs PM .
“The truth will set you free,
But first it will piss you off”. Go figure.
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September 12, 2019 8:05am
- Raphael
  
  In the late Sir Terry Pratchett’s discworld novel The Truth, newspapers are a new thing, and the one has the by line of The Truth Shall Make Ye Free.
  A typo (deliberate by Sir PTerry … accidental by the character) has it print as The Truth Shall Make Ye Fret
  
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  September 12, 2019 8:29am
- oldpark
  
  Also another Labour Party sex scandal and of course a coverup as well, has just been revealed on a talkback show. It was the Darren Hughes saga in the home of Annette King in Haitaitai. That was where a naked youth was seen running down the road after being in the company of Hughes and King.
  The scandal was hushed up ,and Darren Hughes ,Labour Party whip,was fast tracked out of NZ.
  He turned up in London. Go figure.
  
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  September 12, 2019 10:04am
igm

What in hell is going on?
Taxpayers being taken for millions of dollars providing motel accommodation for Labour -supporting losers who have defaulted on rent, wrecked decent homes, or are results of the CoL’s attack on landlords.
This is what happens when benefits are paid for breeding, housing, feeding, in fact anything many of these leeches want without question. We now have a whole generation of self-entitled, bludging ferals who will not work, and don’t have any conscience taking everything they can get for nothing, in fact they take it as of right.
When immoral mothers can claim taxpayers’ support for illegitimate kids, not naming the fathers who should be financially responsible, and we are expected to foot the cost it has gone too far.
Enough is enough, and this must stop NOW!
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September 12, 2019 8:10am
- srylands
  
  It won’t stop. Under National it was just somewhat better.
  
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  September 12, 2019 8:22am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Do you have a stronger stomach than the feral mothers? Are you prepared for images of starving children in the streets, third-world style? Because that’s the kind of moral blackmail the ferals would apply to pearl-clutching New Zealand society.
  
  Stop our welfare and we’ll give you starving, homeless, begging children.
  
  I don’t think NZ has the stomach for this. Not after 33-odd years of relative prosperity since 1987.
  
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  September 12, 2019 8:25am
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    Take them off the parent(s) and don’t give them back until the parent(s) have a home and income of a decent standard. Of course the shrieking classes would shriek about that too but the children would be better off. And you have to break the cycle of people being shitty parents because they learned from it from their own parents.
    
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    September 12, 2019 9:11am
    - Brian Marshall
      
      You need to be able to say that we will not pay for any more children beyond a set number. Queue the human rights activists and claims of racism or hate etc, but if you breed them, you need to feed them. No more welfare for those not wanting to improve their own situation. Also time limits. Time limits are good.
      (Just my opinion though).
      
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      September 12, 2019 9:26am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        The political “party for the poor and oppressed” will want to have more and more “poor and oppressed” people.
        
        The party “for the worker” will surely want to have more workers.
        
        Am I getting something mixed up?
        
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        September 12, 2019 9:43am
      - artemisia
        
        The UK limits benefits to 2 children, on the basis that welfare recipients should not be paid more than people who actually get up every morning and go to work. I did read that unemployment numbers dropped immediately.
        
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        September 12, 2019 9:50am
    - GoVege
      
      Better off, Nigel?
      Haven’t you heard what used to happen in foster homes?
      They can’t get enough carers to look after these kids anyway.
      There’s only one thing that might work: paying financial incentives for practicing contraception.
      You know…like they do for stopping smoking.
      A $500 food voucher for having an iud in or the contraceptive injection.
      
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      September 12, 2019 10:34am
  - igm
    
    Taxpayers can no longer be expected to fund bludgers’ bedroom activities, wrecked state house repairs, etc, etc.
    Those doing all the paying have planned their lives and had children when they can afford them, in many cases, not having any, so as to provide for themselves, yet they are expected to support these self-entitled immoral breeders for income.
    One has to be cruel to be kind, and the time has come to face reality.
    
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    September 12, 2019 12:44pm
- artemisia
  
  Rent rises, shortage of rental housing, 3000 households in taxpayer funded motels, net migration increased 8% in the year to July 2019.
  
  Promise, promises, and one or two dots to be joined right there.
  
  Add in more and more social housing – massive capital and ongoing maintenance cost and average taxpayer subsidy $300 per week for income related rents. Compare that cost to that of private rentals – teeny tiny.
  
  Doesn’t this government do any cost benefit analyses? Or care about beleaguered taxpayers?
  
  https://www.interest.co.nz/news/101628/statistics-nz-estimates-new-zealands-net-migration-gain-increased-over-8-july-year-when
  
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  September 12, 2019 8:26am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Social housing rents have been typically 1/6 of income for 50? years. State House tenants complained that their pay rises took their income based rents beyond market.
    
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    September 12, 2019 8:41am
    - artemisia
      
      Each state and most social houses have a market rent set and reviewed regularly. No tenant pays more than that, regardless of their income.
      
      The previous government formalised rent reviews and undertook a programme of supporting tenants to move on, including financially, starting with those paying market rent. Hundreds moved, quite a few to home ownership.
      
      No longer happening, apparently. Or if it is happening being kept very very quiet.
      
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      September 12, 2019 9:17am
- The King
  
  *boomer voice: “thank god we’re not speaking German!”
  
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  September 12, 2019 8:37am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    “I speak Spanish to God, Italian to women, French to men, and German to my horse.” — Charles V
    
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    September 12, 2019 8:50am
    - Jack5
      
      And, Odakyu-sen, I speak Maori to the bro’s.
      
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      September 12, 2019 10:26am
    - kowtow
      
      And we get lumped with a Charles who talks to vegetables and thinks we’ve only got a few years to save the planet .
      
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      September 12, 2019 11:47am
- Wangas Feral
  
  We used to stay in a motel in Lower Hutt. Last time we were there, almost all the ‘guests’ were Hutt feral families. Believe me, they are worse than Wangas ferals. We ended up upping sticks and finding a hotel because the noise was ridiculous.
  
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  September 12, 2019 8:51am
  - coge
    
    These arrangements, although helpful, are not safe. Small children running around and otherwise playing in the carpark. Where people are backing their cars out.
    
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    September 12, 2019 10:44am
kowtow

When the gubmint is happy for kids to leave school illiterate and innumerate but wants to load the curriculum with frippery such as compulsory Maori and history , you know education is no longer about learning , it’s about social engineering.
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September 12, 2019 8:10am
AgainstTheFlow

Can someone create a Venn diagram about how the PM says its an employment matter so it is Parliamentary Services matter for a man she chose to work closely with, but it’s a Labour Party investigation conducted by the organisation she is the Leader of?

But she didn’t know anything.
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September 12, 2019 8:13am
- Than
  
  Ardern says it’s a matter for Parliamentary Services, since they are (technically) the staffer’s employer. Parliamentary Services says it’s not an employment matter so nothing to do with them.
  
  “They’re all playing pass the parcel.”
  “Can you blame them when you can hear it ticking.”
  – Yes Minister
  
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  September 12, 2019 8:48am
- DILLIGAF
  
  Yes, yes, yes, I do see that there is a real dilemma here. In that, while it has been government policy to regard policy as a responsibility of Ministers and administration as a responsibility of Officials, the questions of administrative policy can cause confusion between the policy of administration and the administration of policy, especially when responsibility for the administration of the policy of administration conflicts, or overlaps with, responsibility for the policy of the administration of policy.
  
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  September 12, 2019 8:52am
  - artemisia
    
    Are you Ms Ardern’s speechwriter?
    
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    September 12, 2019 9:29am
    - DILLIGAF
      
      You may very well think that, but I couldn’t possibly comment.
      
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      September 12, 2019 12:36pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Who else in the Labour Party didn’t know?

Are there any honest folk in Labourland?
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September 12, 2019 8:15am
- Tricati
  
  No
  
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  September 12, 2019 8:19am
- harvey wilson
  
  How many labour MPs know about Labour’s rape culture and said nothing?
  
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  September 12, 2019 8:22am
  - Akarak
    
    Will we ever see what the terms of reference are for the QC. All we’ve been told so far is that Ardern believes (God forbid) that they are wide enough to cover the allegations of sexual abuse. In other words she doesn’t really know what the terms of reference are or she’s lying because she does know that the QC
    has been charged with only investigating the written transcripts which we are told contain no reference to allegations of sexual impropriety.
    Two years in and we have a PTPM who still needs training wheels.
    
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    September 12, 2019 9:21am
    - sooty
      
      All of them!
      
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      September 12, 2019 10:36am
- Happychappy
  
  Well Maggie obviously The Police Minister has a different view.Stuart Nash landmark Mitchell debate the Pm’s handling of the assault allegations, with Stuart Nash saying he completely believes the PM because she doesn’t lie or bend the truth.
  https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/mike-hosking-breakfast/audio/pollies-stuart-nash-and-mark-mitchell-debate-pms-handling-of-assault-allegations/
  These muppets think the NZ Public are stupid,what a bunch of arrogant pricks they’re.
  
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  September 12, 2019 8:57am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

I know nothing, NOTHING!
Btw, I need another holiday
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September 12, 2019 8:15am
plc

Get ready for all manner of

“Hey! Look! A distraction”
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September 12, 2019 8:15am
- Sacha
  
  Today’s Distraction:
  1. Teaching Maori History of New Zealand.
  A quick study for teachers. We can be reasonably sure that teachers will not be expected to present a British perspective.
  
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  September 12, 2019 8:42am
  - Jack5
    
    The compulsory teaching of “NZ history” will be a tool for the Leftists to indoctrinate NZ children. It will be up to parents, relatives, and friends to provide the counter-account of the benefits of Western life.
    
    The Leftist, anti-Western curriculum will be about “decolonisation” and “white privilege”.
    
    The new curriculum is expected to include, reports the Red Radio web site:
    
    – The arrival of Maori to “Aotearoa New Zealand”.
    
    – First encounters and early colonial history of “Aotearoa New Zealand”.
    
    – “Te Tiriti o Waitangi” /Treaty of Waitangi and its history.
    
    – Colonisation of, and immigration to, “Aotearoa New Zealand”, including the New Zealand Wars.
    
    – Evolving national identity of “Aotearoa New Zealand” in the late 19th and early 20th Centuries.
    
    – “Aotearoa New Zealand’s” role in the Pacific.
    
    – “Aotearoa New Zealand” in the late 20th century and evolution of a national identity with cultural plurality.
    
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    September 12, 2019 10:23am
    - rightoverlabour
      
      How rapists got to rule new Zealand….
      
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      September 12, 2019 11:26am
- AgainstTheFlow
  
  Baby Neve will be unleashed, sure enough.
  
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  September 12, 2019 8:45am
  - AgainstTheFlow
    
    Ot the PM will pick a fight with Trump or Scott Morrison.
    
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    September 12, 2019 8:45am
    - sooty
      
      How long before we get Jethro and snaggletooth,
      Pop their heads above the parapet?
      
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      September 12, 2019 10:38am
G152

Its time for National to name names under Parliamentary privilege because it sure as hell is going to get buried by fake news and their agents.
And why haven’t those female politicians walked out of Parliament as they did when National were accused of some misdeed against the sisterhood ???
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September 12, 2019 8:18am
- Sacha
  
  Who remembers the famous incident of the Handy Professor who found himself handcuffed to a tree in an Auckland park?
  One way of ensuring that his name was brought out into the open – and when asked why they did it, the young women said that they wanted his actions exposed (lol).
  Citizens in Action!
  
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  September 12, 2019 8:46am
  - GoVege
    
    I spoke to that fella on the phone once.
    A lovely man…you could feel the loving vibes though the phone line.
    I think he died young…not helped by those psychob*tches…
    
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    September 12, 2019 10:07am
    - Jack5
      
      You’re talking about the Mervyn Thompson affair.
      
      It was a vigilante assault by three feminists.
      
      Thompson was an interesting playwright. In Christchurch and Auckland he wrote works based on NZ history and historical characters. There was an interesting work about a colourful Mayor of Christchurch.
      
      Thompson had a hard start to life. As a teenager leaving school early he worked underground in the West Coast coal mines, and he said it was compulsory Army training that started him on the road to his academic career.
      
      I don’t think the feminists who humiliated him were ever held to account.
      
      https://thespinoff.co.nz/books/12-09-2016/the-mervyn-thompson-affair-revisiting-the-strange-case-of-a-teacher-chained-by-vigilantes-to-a-tree-in-western-springs/
      
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      September 12, 2019 11:18am
srylands

I was thinking about the Pacific Islands going after Australia about coal and climate change.

I am on vacation on a remote island in the Fiji Group. It was uninhabited before the resort was built. I asked one of the staff why it was uninhabited. “No water”. So it turns out that all the water for the resort comes from a desalination plant. It uses lots of electricity. Provided by a diesel generator. I took a walk until I found the power plant. It had massive diesel tanks. Thousands of litres.

Now that is all fine but it simply shows that Fiji will do what it takes to fuel its massive tourist industry. Just like Australia is not going to stop exporting coal. Something that could be raised the next time this issue comes up.
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September 12, 2019 8:19am
- IC5000
  
  > Just like Australia is not going to stop exporting coal.
  
  That’s cool but energy companies can get fucked if they want to use my tax dollars to de-risk their projects by providing massive subsidies and tax breaks. Why should the commonwealth provide 4 billion dollars to an Indian billionaire? I guess the free market only applies to people too stupid not to have political connections or own businesses not located in safe LNP electorates.
  
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  September 12, 2019 10:09am
  - srylands
    
    I don’t know what you are referring to. It would be helpful if you could provide context.
    
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    September 12, 2019 6:35pm
sooty

This Labour government is the most corrupt in the history of NZ ever!
Even Geoffery Palmer was better than this PM and that’s a hard record to beat!
Duck the speaker of the house is the worst in NZs history! Inventing things, changing rules and just making shit up!
Whinestone blow this COL up!
It’s long past it’s use by date!
The voters may even forgive to some extent!
Come on use your dying breath wisely!
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September 12, 2019 8:22am
- rockape
  
  If Winston blew this lot out of the water, would the majority of Kiwis see him as savior or villain? The answer to that may decide his course of action.
  
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  September 12, 2019 9:57am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    That’s like thanking someone for saving you from drowning after they pushed you in.
    
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    September 12, 2019 11:28am
Happychappy

The public must surely be taking note of Grant Roberson and the devious ways that he is being found trying to cover up crimes and situations that no Government should ever need to be in. He is a expert in deflecting blame even though he has been donkey deep in the problems from the start. Just ask yourself what type of person would throw a young Lass to the wolves over a deviate that holds a lot of power in the Prime Ministers think tank.
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September 12, 2019 8:24am
- rightoverlabour
  
  He doesn’t like gurls so they are expendable….
  
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  September 12, 2019 11:29am
kowtow

Talking of shit standards in the media , over the past few days all arms of our dumbed down tv , radio and print have reported on a ship that “overturned”.

What’s so hard about “capsized” ?
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September 12, 2019 8:27am
MCos

Five people die from vaping and President Trump swings into action.
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September 12, 2019 8:27am
- virtualmark
  
  Pity he doesn’t swing into action about assault rifles or opioids then.
  
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  September 12, 2019 4:38pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

18 years ago today, some people did something.
Not a mention on TV1 play school this morning.
I guess 3000 people did not perish
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September 12, 2019 8:29am
- The King
  
  NZ media trying to memory hole the slaughter of almost 3000 people by their precious religion.
  
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  September 12, 2019 8:44am
- harvey wilson
  
  Otto , she says some people did something because she thinks Israel were behind it .
  
  I take no responsibility for what happens to your screen if you click on this
  
  https://mobile.twitter.com/golrizghahraman/status/1171211868649807875
  
  Just a couple of anti semites with dodgy backstories laughing at the taxpayer supporting their lifestyle .
  
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  September 12, 2019 9:28am
  - BobbyS
    
    Two humans that identify as Females
    Both claim to be refugees
    One is a fake and the other is an anti-semite
    Do you know which is which?
    Whatever your answer you’ll be right either way you choose
    
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    September 12, 2019 10:02am
  - Swifty
    
    Refugee my arse. She has never attempted to refute the analysis that shredded the credibility of her refugee backstory.
    
    They left Iran with papers in order on a commercial flight to Malaysia and then shopped around for a nice Western country to emigrate to.
    
    Compare that to Cambodian acquaintances of mine who fled the genocidal Khmer Rouge on foot, through the jungle for weeks, kids and grannies being carried on backs……..with whole swathes of their family executed and buried in pits.
    
    I get the strong feeling that Golriz thinks it right to expect to be lauded for who she is (‘refugee’, a woman, a ‘person of colour’, a lawyer) rather than the results she has delivered for NZers.
    
    She is one of the few NZ MPs that makes my skin crawl. I will be pleased to see the back of her in due course.
    
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    September 12, 2019 11:32am
  - DILLIGAF
    
    I take no responsibility for what happens to your screen if you click on this
    
    Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand, its gone.
    
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    September 12, 2019 12:39pm
- Fletch
  
  The son of a woman killed in the attack tells it like it is during a 9/11 memorial service.
  
  “Some people did something, said a freshman congresswoman from Minnesota, to support and justify the creation of [the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR)] — today I am here to respond to you exactly who did what to whom,” he continued. “Madam, objectively speaking, we know who and what was done. There is no uncertainty about that. Why your confusion?”
  
  “On that day, 19 Islamic terrorists, members of al-Qaeda, killed over 3,000 people and caused billions of dollars of economic damage. Is that clear? But as to whom, I was attacked, your relatives and friends were attacked, our constitutional freedoms were attacked, and our nation’s founding on Judeo-Christian principles were attacked.”
  
  “That’s what some people did. Got that now? We are here today, congresswoman, to tell you and the Squad just who did what to whom,” he continued. “Show respect in honoring them please. American patriotism in your position demands it.”
  
  https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1171810621869953024
  
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  September 12, 2019 11:39am
Maggie Pie

My partners mum was just saying that an elderly gentleman who resides in the village was telling her, “There’s a big shit-fight brewing between Shane Jones and Ron Mark.
The interesting thing will be to see who Fletcher backs, as that will likely determine the outcome”
Watch this space 🙂
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September 12, 2019 8:31am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Fletcher is Winston’s man, so he will back whoever Winston tells him to back. I’ve heard that, although Peters and Mark had a falling-out a while back, Peters hates that Shane Jones talks an even bigger game than Peters.
  
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  September 12, 2019 8:49am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    You don’t happen to reside at St Vincent’s MetlifeCare do you Tony?
    
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    September 12, 2019 9:02am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      I don’t know quite how to take that Maggie; as a compliment or otherwise. But no, I live at home, in Whanganui, and hope that continues for a few years yet!
      
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      September 12, 2019 9:33am
      - chaos
        
        I think you almost got set up on a blind date with the partners mum….
        
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        September 12, 2019 9:56am
- herb1
  
  Im assuming Maggie this is a reference to a leadership challenge.
  clearly its time for some hones on hats happening with Peters.
  He’s the deputy PM so we all deserve some honesty for a change on his health situation.
  clearly some people know
  
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  September 12, 2019 8:57am
  - sooty
    
    Is there going tob e a coup in NZF, with Whinestone at deaths door?
    
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    September 12, 2019 10:42am
- artemisia
  
  Wouldn’t mind a beer with your partner’s mum. As long as not a ghost beer of course.
  
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  September 12, 2019 9:24am
lastmanstanding

Some random pertinent questions.

1. What the hell was Simon doing sucking up to the Chinese interviewer whilst in China.

2. Do the Chinese Communist Party have too much influence in our politics.

3. Are the Chinese Communist Party funding our political parties in return for favours and future promises.

4, Are these favours and future promises in the best interests of the majority of the citizens.

5. Will NZ become a Southern Province controlled by the Chinese Communist Party at some point.
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September 12, 2019 8:33am
- srylands
  
  Can you please provide a link to any reports of the interview?
  
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  September 12, 2019 8:38am
  - MCos
    
    There are a number of articles on the internet. Here is one.
    https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2019/09/11/800145/simon-bridges-opens-up-a-foreign-policy-divide-on-china?utm_source=The+Bulletin&utm_campaign=856b972a7e-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_03_01_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_552336e15a-856b972a7e-533756713
    
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    September 12, 2019 9:05am
    - toby1845
      
      Sorry. Newsroom isn’t a credible source. Do you have any others?
      
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      September 13, 2019 6:32am
- chaos
  
  He was doing his job working with our major trade partners.
  
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  September 12, 2019 8:39am
  - IC5000
    
    So doing your job means fluffing an entity which has murdered more people than Hitler?
    
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    September 12, 2019 10:05am
    - chaos
      
      Does it mean protecting a sexual abuser in your own office?
      
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      September 12, 2019 10:41am
      - IC5000
        
        Don’t care given I’m not a labour supporter
        
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        September 12, 2019 11:35am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Say that Brexit thingy doesn’t seem to be a problem
        ‘Wages have continued to grow at a strong pace and employment remains at record highs, official figures show.
        Earnings excluding bonuses grew at an estimated annual pace of 3.8% (between 3.3% and 4.3%) in the May to July period, down slightly from the previous reading.
        Including bonuses, wages rose at an annual pace of 4% – the highest rate since mid-2008.
        The unemployment rate dipped to 3.8%, while the estimated employment rate remained at a record 76.1%.’
        https://www.bbc.com/news/business-49646201?intlink_from_url=https://www.bbc.com/news/topics/clm1wxp5378t/uk-economy&link_location=live-reporting-story
        
        Economy booming
        
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        September 12, 2019 3:14pm
  - Piniwi
    
    Funny chaos how this visit by Simon Bridges is getting so much flak, slurs and innuendos but there were only crickets heard over Ron Marks visit to China earlier this year? The Minister of Defense in China? Strange.
    
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    September 12, 2019 2:01pm
- Random T Person
  
  I do find it amusing that the Labour Party hacks have such an issue with China, which more fully implements their own policies!
  
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  September 12, 2019 8:40am
  - chaos
    
    It’s even weirder because it was labour and the Clark government that brought us our strong relationship and trade deal with China,
    
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    September 12, 2019 8:46am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Indeed. After all, it was Phil Goff, under Helen Clark’s leadership, who first negotiated an FTA with China.
    
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    September 12, 2019 8:50am
- KevO'Brien
  
  If you can’t do better Fraser House will recall you.
  
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  September 12, 2019 8:45am
- plc
  
  “Ooooh look! A distraction!”
  
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  September 12, 2019 9:14am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Not up to your usual standard lastman.
  
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  September 12, 2019 9:49am
- BobbyS
  
  Were there any people there with Chinese sounding names?
  
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  September 12, 2019 10:03am
Yvette

In the issue as identified by the Spinoff, September 9, “A Labour volunteer alleged a violent sexual assault by a Labour staffer”, what remains so basic, but so unclear is –
Has the 19 year-old woman made an official complaint to Police or not. Are the Police investigating the matter?

Meanwhile, Ardern, having said it was not at all appropriate for Haworth to attempt to investigate a sexual assault case, has herself not desisted in her own efforts.
Ardern does not say she has referred the matter to Police, stopped her QC investigating, advised the complainant herself to go to the Police, or announced if she, Ardern, even knows that approach has occurred or not.
Ardern does not seemed to have changed any circumstance, except accept Haworth’s resignation.

At what point in this amazing mess will the general public (and voters) be reassured that the sexual assault of a 19 year-old woman is being properly investigated by the Police?

From Jacinda Ardern’s United Nations address proclaiming “Me Too should be We Too”, to this involving staff related to her own office, the New Zealand public (and even the world) need to know this matter is being investigated by the appropriate agency – the Police.

Jacinda might hope this is resolved a little more before she re-appears at the UN in New York shortly.

I would hope it be resolved as soon as possible, of course, for the sake of the 19 year-old woman and other complainants.

And resolved also finally for the interest of voters before the next Election.
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September 12, 2019 8:33am
- herb1
  
  I hope that someone organises a protest against sexual abuse cover ups by our PM , at the UN , on the day she is to spout her rampant hypocrisy to the world
  
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  September 12, 2019 8:59am
- KevO'Brien
  
  It seems the Police should now also be investigating the apparent attempts to pervert the course of justice.
  Turning a blind eye may be borderline lawful but engaging a QC seems obstructive.
  
  PM’s have no rights to ignore the law. They have a higher duty to uphold the functioning of the State–that goes with their pay.
  
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  September 12, 2019 9:49am
- Piniwi
  
  But Yvette @ 8.33 am much to their now extended trauma their misplaced loyalty to the party following their genuine attempt to keep “in house” following party lines failed them 100%.
  Apparently the complainants are taking legal advice of their options since the prescribed process let them down so woefully. So much so that that process itself has some serious legal matters arising from the current situation and outcome of the handling. IMO lodging a formal complaint with the Police would play right into the party’s hands to shut the matter down bearing in mind the extended process of the sex camp scandal.
  Hence the priority is to unravel the party’s actions in trying to shut this whole mess down from the outset. There is lot more to be revealed before it reaches a legal matter locked in secrecy pending proceedings.
  
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  September 12, 2019 2:25pm
chaos

Jacinda is finished, she just doesn’t realise it yet

My predictions

Least likely, Winston will become pm
More likely, we are going to have an election before Xmas
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September 12, 2019 8:38am
- Tony Stuart
  
  History will be made. It will be the first time a coalition government involving Winston Peters hasn’t lasted, where the cause was not Peters!
  
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  September 12, 2019 8:53am
  - chaos
    
    There is still time
    
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    September 12, 2019 9:07am
  - calendar girl
    
    “… where the cause was not Peters”.
    
    I don’t know about that, Tony. Didn’t Peters appoint, effectively, Ardern as New Zealand Prime Minister?
    
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    September 12, 2019 10:07am
    - sooty
      
      Yer but Peters has to last!
      
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      September 12, 2019 10:45am
JibberJabber

Enough about Cindy, did ya know Max got a dose of the Shits in Croatia?
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home.html

Welcome to the club Max, we`ve all got the Shits here but not from anything we ate.
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September 12, 2019 8:40am
- Sacha
  
  So I clicked on the link, JibberJabber, didn’t bother about Max, but my attention was caught by something about some TV person and his father being distraught about the death (from cancer) of their mother and wife. And photos to prove it.
  How utterly, utterly tasteless.
  
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  September 12, 2019 8:56am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Yes – got word of that yesterday Jibbs!
  
  Poor bugger 🙁
  https://www.instagram.com/p/B2Q3Xz5gn_q/
  
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  September 12, 2019 9:13am
  - JibberJabber
    
    Probably not the best time to be wearing white shorts?
    
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    September 12, 2019 12:09pm
Right of way is Way of Right

First squirrel…

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/115712569/new-zealand-history-to-be-taught-in-schools-by-2022-says-pm-jacinda-ardern

Could we start with the History of Sexual Abuse Allegations in the Labour Party?
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September 12, 2019 8:42am
- srylands
  
  It would be better if they were all literate, numerate, and had a grasp of basic science and basic economics. Those skills will get them jobs and stop them believing boondogles about trams and hydrogen power.
  
  Then they will have their entire lives to immerse themselves in New Zealand history, should they choose to do so.
  
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  September 12, 2019 8:55am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Good Lefty kids must be taught what to think, not how to think.
  
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  September 12, 2019 10:01am
  - srylands
    
    I have recruited brilliant young people who certainly know how to think. They clearly rise above the indoctrination. However my experience is that they mostly come from highly functional families with both a mother and a father.
    
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    September 12, 2019 10:14am
    - sooty
      
      Shit they were quick off the mark there!
      Who stayed up all night to think up that one!
      
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      September 12, 2019 10:48am
Swifty

As a public service to KBers – a brief reminder of the level of trust we can have in Grant Robertson:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_qkG9gqhA8

Would Grant wish us to believe that this is the only lie he’s ever told? In his life? Scouts honour? Pinky promise?
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September 12, 2019 8:42am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Honest to a fault. Yeah right.
  
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  September 12, 2019 8:57am
softail 1450

I was watching tv3 with Garner this morning and thought for a second I had been asleep for nine months and had woken up on April the 1st ,they were talking about Air NZ claiming the name Kia Ora for their decades old inflight magazine.
Some Maori dude stated firmly “Maori are not for sale” ,well I damn near fell off my chair when hearing that ,”Maori are not for sale”, FFS its the most saleable commodity in our country ,there is nothing Maori that can’t be purchased with the correct amount of Koha, when is this shit going to end?????
And where the F—K is Peters?
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September 12, 2019 8:53am
The King

Yeah this NZ history in schools is gunna be lit…

“And as the Maoris skinned the little 12 year old Mori Ori girl alive we must not forget it was the colonialists boats they used to get there”
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September 12, 2019 9:02am
Sacha

Labour’s Lothario (an unscrupulous seducer of women) or Wellington’s Weinstein (another unscrupulous seducer of women).
Discuss (if you can be bothered)
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September 12, 2019 9:02am
- Tall Man
  
  Never heard sexual assault described as seduction.
  
  I am a bit old fashioned I suppose.
  
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  September 12, 2019 7:19pm
Yvette

Mike Hosking: Labour sex abuse scandal – where’s Jacinda Ardern’s famous empathy now?
The reasons Jacinda Ardern is in the mess she is over this alleged sex abuse scandal are several-fold.
One, she didn’t own it. Two, she let it drag. Three, she didn’t seem to want to know. Four, she showed no real direct concern for the alleged victims. Five, she seemed to think she and the Labour Party are two different things. Six, her strength is empathy – and that’s been found wanting. Seven, when she finally got to it she hired someone to sort it, the QC. – Mike Hosking

He also at one point says –
Having won attention, and praise post-March 15, on a matter of a deeply personal and emotive nature within her own party, she seems to have completely missed the memo … she had not phoned, hadn’t talked to anyone, or had her people look into it.

So, Mike mentions “post-March 15”
Post-March 15 there is a Royal Commission to ask what could have prevented the mosques massacres from occurring? What can be learnt to stop such an event happening again?

What has Labour learnt from the summer camp incident? Apparently nothing …
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September 12, 2019 9:09am
Komata

Something of interest concerning the ‘revised’ history that will be taught in NZ Schools:

It appears that ‘The arrival of Maori in NZ and History of colonisation’ are to form part of this.

‘The arrival of Maori in NZ’ predicates that the land was unoccupied, yet in certain tribal areas there are oral traditions indicating that in fact the canoes were welcomed on the beaches when they finally made landfall.

As the newcomers eventually overwhelmed and replaced the people who were there before them, surely Maori too are ‘guilty’ of ”Colonisation’ or will that inconvenient detail be studiously ignored because it doesn’t fit the carefully crafted ‘Whitey bad’ narrative?

And I wonder too what spin will be put on the very deliberate and well-recorded Maori invasion and ‘colonisation’ of the Chathams…?

Will the truth prevail or….?

Facts can be sooo ‘inconvenient’ can’t they?
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September 12, 2019 9:33am
- srylands
  
  Is there any archaeological records of occupation before Maori in the 12th century? I thought the answer is ‘no’ but I am happy to be corrected.
  
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  September 12, 2019 10:09am
  - Jules99
    
    Yes, much older skeletons were found but have been embargoed for some reason. Also rat bones carbon dated back thousands of years which scientists say could only have come via ships.
    
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    September 12, 2019 10:50am
    - Ed Snack
      
      The Rat data at least has largely been overturned by more recent work, suggesting that the anomalous old dates for rat bones from the 1990’s was a caused by laboratory treatment of those bones prior to dating.
      
      See: https://www.pnas.org/content/105/22/7676
      
      Recent retesting of new bones from the same sites does not produce dates earlier than 1280.
      
      Humans could have arrived without rats, so this is not conclusive about human habitation, but does seem to cast significant doubt on an earlier introduction date for rats than around 1280 CE.
      
      Last recorded Taupo eruption was around 236 CE, highly unlikely that there are attested rat remains under such material.
      
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      September 12, 2019 3:49pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Rats and cooked moa bones under the taupo Ash layers. There are yuo tube videos on this….
    
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    September 12, 2019 11:36am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Can you separate “facts” from “points of view”?
  
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  September 12, 2019 10:10am
- rjay
  
  http://tangatawhenua16.wixsite.com/the-first-ones-blog/single-post/2016/03/13/36-Ngati-Hotu-the-redheads
  
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  September 12, 2019 10:40am
- Jules99
  
  Those oral traditions have been confirmed by DNA evidence.
  
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  September 12, 2019 10:51am
- Piniwi
  
  Likewise Komata @ 9.33 am it blows their false claim of being the indigenous people of New Zealand but were in fact the first boat people arrive.
  
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  September 12, 2019 2:40pm
Maggie Pie

Just having a Krispy Kreme for morning-tea and listening to Magic.
Dover Samuels agrees that Maori were NOT the indidgenis people of New Zealand.
Points to findings of much earlier human habitation in Waipoua Forest as being proof.

Said Helen Clark put embargo on the findings until 2062!!

WHY??
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September 12, 2019 10:02am
- chaos
  
  http://www.celticnz.co.nz/
  
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  September 12, 2019 10:34am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    WOW! Thnx chaos – will have a read of that over lunch.
    Peter Williams just referred to this vid [SKELETONS IN THE CUPBOARD NZ] which he reckins is worth a watch as well –
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wqci_tXGn94
    
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    September 12, 2019 11:15am
    - chaos
      
      Thanks for that will look at it shortly.
      
      Just had a quick look. Okataina is fascinating area. Much more there than people realise.
      
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      September 12, 2019 12:36pm
- Fletch
  
  You seem to eat a lot of those…lol. Is it one of the Krispy Kremes inside a BP station?
  
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  September 12, 2019 11:42am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    We keep assorted 6 packs in the freezer and i just hook one out the nite before 🙂
    
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    September 12, 2019 3:39pm
chaos

Cindy is losing the international media now

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/09/embarrassment-international-media-reacts-to-labour-sexual-assault-scandal.html
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September 12, 2019 10:07am
Right of way is Way of Right

Just a thought.

As sexual impropriety appears to be somewhat endemic within the ranks of the Labour Party, perhaps this gives some indication as to how someone as singularly unqualified as Jacinda Ardern managed to rise so far so fast within the ranks?

Pure speculation on my part, but…..
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September 12, 2019 10:20am
- Jules99
  
  Well I can’t speculate on her particularly, but the modern left emerged out of the neo Marxist critical theory of the 1950s/60s which posited that there is no such thing as morals or values. They are relative. Hence there is no requirement to follow traditional rules about marriage etc. Keeping up the pretence for the masses to gain power is all that is required, e.g. the Clinton marriage.
  
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  September 12, 2019 10:47am
  - david
    
    And Helen Clark
    
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    September 12, 2019 4:55pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  Hoover or was it dyson….
  
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  September 12, 2019 11:38am
wreck1080

This compulsory history is scary.

It will be the tangata whenua version and will no doubt exclude the Stone Age barbarism of Maori and cultural practices such as cannibalism.

But it will be detailed about the evils of the English empire.
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September 12, 2019 10:35am
kowtow

If the gubmint want to start the history of NZ with the arrival of the Maoris in NZ circa 1300 AD , that’s fine by me , as that establishes they are not “indigenous”.
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September 12, 2019 10:39am
- MCos
  
  I’ve heard the argument before that Māori are not indigenous to NZ because they only arrived relatively recently.
  That would infer to be indigenous a people either must always have been here or some other people were.
  There was a time when humanity didn’t exist; unless you adhere to some faith that believes otherwise.
  From the beginning of man whoever was the first people in a particular area were indigenous. As it happened NZ was settled late on in the piece, but the first people, who assumed the name Māori hundreds of years later, are still known as indigenous.
  
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  September 12, 2019 12:47pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    The term in Biology refers to something that is native to a region… or arose in a certain area.
    
    It could be argued that humans are not indigenous to NZ… as we didn’t evolve here; no ancestral forms or close relatives of humans ever occurred here.
    
    What we have in NZ is a late human-settlement story whereby a group of Polynesians settled here in the 13th Century and other Groups of humans arrived and began to settle here 5 centuries later.
    
    Since the Maori culture developed here, it means that Maori can claim to be indigenous to NZ; but I, as a Pakeha Kiwi, am also indigenous to NZ.
    My upbringing, education, experiences etc are all within the sphere of NZ culture and its Governance.
    
    And although my immediate ancestors originated from a couple of rocks on the edge of Europe, I’m no more of an European than I am a Pacific Islander.
    
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    September 12, 2019 2:33pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      ‘as we didn’t evolve here’
      That’s also been my traditional view of what indigenous means.
      Australian aborigines are indigenous because they ‘evolved’ there.
      But not Maori
      They are immigrants.
      Seems to me the term has been co-opted in order to imbue certain rights and privileges.
      
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      September 12, 2019 3:06pm
      - DigNap15
        
        yes 6,000 years versus 600!
        
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        September 12, 2019 3:53pm
      - MCos
        
        Indigenous as applied to plants is one thing.
        Indigenous as applied to humans refers to the original people.
        From the Latin indigen(a) native, original inhabitant
        
        Maybe you’re indigent, Maggie
        
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        September 12, 2019 4:30pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Maybe you’re indigent, Maggie
        
        Well, of course I am.
        
        Did you think I was affluent?
        
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        September 12, 2019 6:51pm
      - Tall Man
        
        “Affluent”… Unflushable?
        
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        September 12, 2019 7:06pm
      - MCos
        
        The length of time is irrelevant
        
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        September 12, 2019 7:14pm
sooty

When’s Cindy going to come out and say that she was abused as a young labour bitch!
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September 12, 2019 10:51am
Hugh Pavletich

NEW ZEALAND: How much longer can the grossly incompetent Labour – led government last ? …

‘Embarrassment’: International media reacts to Labour sexual assault scandal … Newshub

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/09/embarrassment-international-media-reacts-to-labour-sexual-assault-scandal.html

Duncan Garner: Jacinda Ardern not knowing about sexual assault allegations is massive stretch … Duncan Garner … Newshub

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/09/duncan-garner-jacinda-ardern-not-knowing-about-sexual-assault-allegations-is-massive-stretch.html

Peter Dunne asks some hard questions about the allegations of sexual misconduct within the Labour Party – and what the Prime Minister knew or should have known … Interest Co NZ

https://www.interest.co.nz/opinion/101645/peter-dunne-asks-some-hard-questions-about-allegations-sexual-misconduct-within
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September 12, 2019 10:56am
- Local Miller
  
  Why all the down ticks? For once Hugh has posted something of value, even if he did mostly just have links.
  
  Funny reading about “Jacinda Ardern’s shining reputation”.
  
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  September 12, 2019 12:04pm
  - sooty
    
    Just downtick and move on! It’s hughie!
    
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    September 12, 2019 12:47pm
  - Aliog
    
    Habit. It saves time. If he posts one good post and no one reads it, it’s his own fault. If he stopped posting worthless crap ad infinitum, he’d get read. But then, he’d have nothing to post.
    
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    September 12, 2019 5:46pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Right on Hugh. You have certainly recognised failure of the Ardern and the COL.
  Now lets help to get them out.
  
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  September 12, 2019 3:38pm
Maggie Pie

The Royal NZ Herald are reporting –
“US woman ties her husband up and chops off his penis. She has been arrested by local police chief Major Wank” LOL!!

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=12266936

[ Coincidentally, a similar thing happened when I was working in Oz.
A woman there attempted to cut off her ex-lovers penis with a Stanley knife, but missed and cut his thigh instead. She was charged with a misdaweiner ]
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September 12, 2019 10:59am
- Biscuit
  
  Yikes, Maggie.
  :: Makes mental note to make sure the partner gets three of our Rocky Road Mallowpuffs (and there’s only four left) with the cup of coffee I will have ready for her when she gets home ::
  
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  September 12, 2019 1:31pm
Local Miller

Picked up that Jami-Lee Ross is running a petition to ban foreign contributions to political parties.

Jumping on the band wagon I see.

I thought that technically these are essentially banned or very restricted already, and the accusation is that that there are still back doors. There will always be back doors won’t there?
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September 12, 2019 11:51am
- sooty
  
  Meetoo!
  Squrriel!
  
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  September 12, 2019 12:45pm
- LTA1955
  
  That’s Hasbeen Ross…there fixed it!
  
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  September 12, 2019 2:50pm
- MCos
  
  In light of Paula Bennett’s attack on the Labour Party’s handling of the alleged sexual abuse within it’s organisation I’m surprised that the Nats have allowed J-L Ross to remain in place. Not in the party, but in the House.
  
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  September 12, 2019 4:14pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    They prefer not to be hypocrites in using the waka jumping bill that they plan to repeal. Ethics in politicians is a good thing. Labour could learn a thing or two.
    
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    September 12, 2019 4:50pm
GoVege

Anyone notice that the person accused of murdering a young girl in Mangere “used to be” a male?
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September 12, 2019 12:09pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Have you ever read of such a disturbing case?
  Truly horriffic what these filthy animals alledgedly did to that young girl.
  Sub-human scum that don’t deserve to breath air.
  
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  September 12, 2019 12:34pm
  - GoVege
    
    Makes you wonder what kind of a “home” would spawn sadists like these.
    Poor young girl was known as “Precious”.
    Seems she was in reality treated as anything but.
    Why was nobody looking after this obviously vulnerable 17 year old?
    
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    September 12, 2019 3:49pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      She was in Oranga Tamariki “care.”
      
      https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2018/07/south-auckland-girl-killed-while-in-oranga-tamariki-care.html
      
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      September 12, 2019 5:54pm
- sooty
  
  Does he want to go to a womens prison?
  
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  September 12, 2019 12:44pm
  - GoVege
    
    I wouldn’t be surprised, sooty…
    
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    September 12, 2019 2:55pm
MH

how are teachers up north going to put a spin on what tribes up there did to middle eastern and S.I tribes. How will they explain the mass slaughter that occurred when armed with muskets they decimated each other. And vice versa, how will lower SI tribes take to descriptions of their oral histories, one can’t put the catastrophic decline in Maori population from 1800 to the signing of the peace Treaty – which is what Waitangi is all about- all down to introduced diseases by European traders and early deed settlers. History being taught, yeah right. Lets just start with the grievances and ignore the causes.
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September 12, 2019 12:16pm
rightoverlabour

Went looking for Jacind’as resignation on Stuff. Hardly a mention of the scandal. However, they have this piece which is good, except for the bit “We Care”. Yes we care unless you are a Rape Victim of the Labour Party. https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/destinations/nz/115709407/what-new-zealand-does-better-than-the-rest-of-the-world

The Labour Pqrty need to make some changes to their website

Under the “Lets do This – Are you with Us?” they need to change the “sign up for emails now” to Sign up for Harassment, Sexual Assault, Rape, and a glorious cover up. “I’m In” – Battle cry of Labour Rapists since time immemorial.

https://www.labour.org.nz/
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September 12, 2019 1:11pm
- LTA1955
  
  The utter cluster that going on at Question Time this afternoon, is sackable for the entire Labour front bench. They are a disgrace to the citizens of NZ. Kelv is returning all Paula questions in Maori to obfuscate the answers that Cindy (H1H2) has written for him to read out. The duck is running the interference as usual. Sack the the PTPM while your about it. Where the hell is she?
  
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  September 12, 2019 2:28pm
  - david
    
    It was also very curious that Mallard made reference to the fact that he had a late night last night and did not make it home to recharge his hearing aid batteries.
    Makes you wonder whose bed he did crash in.
    Also you could posit that if he knew he was not sleeping at home, why did he not pack the battery charger with his toothbrush. Is he really that incompetent?
    
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    September 12, 2019 5:07pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Yes he is.
      
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      September 12, 2019 8:22pm
chaos

I believe that questions being asked in question time about the labour sexual assaults should be answered in English, not Maori so that the vast majority of New Zealand can understand the answers.
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September 12, 2019 2:15pm
- DigNap15
  
  It really is time that Maori was removed as an official language.
  And banned from use in Parliament.
  
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  September 12, 2019 3:50pm
- MCos
  
  The vast majority of NZers don’t listen to parliament.
  
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  September 12, 2019 4:01pm
Captain Mainwaring

What sort of a crock is this?
Kelvinator answering all the questions on behalf of the PM in bloody Maori!
That’s a sure-fire way of keeping the answers secret from the great unwashed.
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September 12, 2019 2:18pm
- chaos
  
  And at the exact same time Jacinda was doing a press stand up broadcast live on the herald. Did anyone else think she was smiling at one point in that talking about it
  
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  September 12, 2019 2:26pm
- MH
  
  2 can play at that game. Are Replies written down in Maori and then translated in real time or are they pre prepared ? Scrutineered by a different linguist to check that nothing is misunderstood. No fear of bias in translation.
  
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  September 12, 2019 3:42pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Yep Capt -hear what you’re saying. I dont understand a word of Maori either.
  (Although in a peculiar sort of way, i found it to be somewhat appropriate)
  
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  September 12, 2019 3:47pm
chaos

Ardern’s press stand up

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12266957
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September 12, 2019 2:44pm
Nostradamus

Jacinda Ardern defends her role in Labour’s botched complaints process

[Jacinda Ardern] did not want to comment on Labour deputy leader Kelvin Davis, who reportedly referred to the allegations as “rumours” in the House yesterday. This afternoon Davis said that his words in te reo Maori were translated as “rumours and allegations”, but when asked whether that was disrespectful to the complainants, he changed his mind and said that he meant “allegations”.

Hey Kelvin! How do you say “you’re a piece of shit” in Te Reo?
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September 12, 2019 3:10pm
- Tall Man
  
  koe he wahi no te shit
  
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  September 12, 2019 6:57pm
Rodney Randall

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUY6-DpP700
Brahms “Ye now are sorrowful”: Robert Eaton, St Paul’s Cathedral 1977 (Barry Rose)

This private recording (courtesy of Barry Rose) was made at a 1977 Sunday evensong in St Paul’s Cathedral, London, conducted by Barry Rose, with John Dexter on the organ. The soloist that day was Robert Eaton, who died in the World Trade Centre, New York, on 11th September 2001 – one of the countless victims of the “9/11” attack. A plaque now hanging outside the St Paul’s Song School commemorates both this momentous event and Robert’s passing, and a Memorial Fund has been set up in his name, to raise money to help children through sport. If you are moved by Robert’s singing, you might consider donating to his Fund at http://www.remf.org.uk

This anthem is actually a single movement (“Ihr habt nun Traurigkeit”) from Johannes Brahms’ “A German Requiem” (“Ein deutsches Requiem”) Op. 45.

Ye now are sorrowful, howbeit ye shall again behold me,
And your heart shall be joyful, and your joy no man taketh from you.

– [Chorus:] Yea, I will comfort you, as one whom his own mother comforteth.

Look upon me; ye know that for a little time labour and sorrow were mine,
But at the last I have found comfort

“That Sunday afternoon, in March 1977, Canon John Collins was due to preach the sermon, but having heard Robert sing, he got into the pulpit and simply said “I cannot possibly follow that – let’s all sing the last hymn”. It was certainly one of the great musical highlights of my time at St.Paul’s, and recent research has virtually established that the organist on this occasion was John Dexter, then Organ Scholar at St.Paul’s.” 34eros
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September 12, 2019 3:34pm
Jack5

In an interview with Chinese State TV, did Simon Bridges come across as a “useful idiot” of Beijing Communists?

https://croakingcassandra.com/2019/09/12/hush-dont-be-so-explicit/
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September 12, 2019 3:52pm
- secondcumming
  
  The problem with people like *Simon* is that they only ever think three years OUT….whereas people like President Xi are looking 100 years ahead.
  By which stage our children’s children will be standing knee deep in muddy water wearing Coolie hats 😎
  
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  September 12, 2019 5:18pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Utter rubbish.
    
    However, if NZ does not do business with the “leader” countries our children will end up standing in muddy water without hats.
    
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    September 12, 2019 6:53pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Today Jacinda Ardern gave a FUCK YOU to all the people of NZ.

Instead of using the Maori Language as a gift to unite citizens of NZ she allowed Kelvin Davis to use the language as a weapon to try and belittle Paula Bennett.

Mallard deliberately screwed up the proceedings by pretending he had understood a previous translation, when clearly he hadn’t.

https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/combined/HansDeb_20190912_20190912_16
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September 12, 2019 4:12pm
- chaos
  
  Funny thing is she knew Davis would be answering Paula’s questions when she was giving her press stand up. They’re playing games
  
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  September 12, 2019 4:45pm
- Rodney Randall
  
  thanks for the link.
  
  Poor Anne Tolley had no idea what was going on as she had not been given headphones nor a paper translation and some of the headphones weren’t working.
  
  What a joke!
  
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  September 12, 2019 4:52pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    I had no idea what was going on either, just like 98% of those watching on TV.
    But what I do know is that the whole charade was designed to give Cindy another day before the whole thing blows up in her face.
    
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    September 12, 2019 8:25pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Today Jacinda had the chance to come into Parliament and give an apology to the Young folk who have been let down by Labour, but she chose to let a Clown mock them and Paula Bennett.
      
      Shame, shame Jacinda Ardern and Trevor Mallard.
      
      Shame, shame, shame Kelvin Davis… using Maori Language Week to score petty hits at the expense of TRUTH.
      
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      September 12, 2019 8:32pm
      - sooty
        
        The truth gets going when Labour is around!
        
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        September 12, 2019 9:32pm
All_on_Red

EPIC: Livid California Black woman slams Liberal sanctuary city policies that are devastating black communities
“When Black people commit a crime THEY GET 3 strikes, when illegal aliens commit crimes they get amnesty & benefits”
https://mobile.twitter.com/therightmelissa/status/1083563262724186112
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September 12, 2019 4:32pm
chaos

Not good enough, should of been fired, and now those who protected him need to go

*Staffer at centre of Labour abuse claims has resigned*

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/115758406/staffer-at-centre-of-labour-abuse-claims-have-resigned
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September 12, 2019 4:39pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Here’s the translation of Kelvin Davis’ answers to Paula Bennett.

Oral Question 1.
https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/combined/HansDeb_20190912_20190912_12
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September 12, 2019 4:39pm
- chaos
  
  Thanks for that, biggest thing that sticks out is the incompetent speaker of the house
  
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  September 12, 2019 6:28pm
- DigNap15
  
  Good, I am going to read it.
  Have you got the translation of Tamati Coffee songs in Parliament today.
  What a disgrace and a waste of our money.
  
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  September 12, 2019 6:52pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Thank you Maggy, most helpful.
  
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  September 12, 2019 8:31pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Labour Staffer has resigned.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/115758406/staffer-at-centre-of-labour-abuse-claims-have-resigned
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September 12, 2019 4:41pm
- chaos
  
  Too little too late, all those that covered this up need to go, including the prime minister and grant.
  
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  September 12, 2019 4:44pm
  - sooty
    
    Cindys own personal sexual deviant/rapist in her ninth floor office has shoot his bolt!
    
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    September 12, 2019 5:12pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  My partner just came up with a real beauty:
  “DID HE JUMP – OR WAS HE PUSHED?”
  
  LOL!!!
  
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  September 12, 2019 5:04pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Obviously made a sweet arrangement…
    He knows the QC investigation will be an exercise that leads nowhere.
    
    That’s why Robbo is acting very confident at the moment.
    
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    September 12, 2019 5:59pm
    - chaos
      
      I wonder how long before he sets up a consultancy company which is then hired to work on labour’s reelection.
      
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      September 12, 2019 6:09pm
      - sooty
        
        They had to pay him off!
        He knows lots of party secerts!
        
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        September 12, 2019 9:30pm
      - chaos
        
        Those secrets are coming out already.
        
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        September 12, 2019 10:58pm
chaos

A complainant in the Labour sexual assault case has told Newshub they’re shocked that a member of the investigating panel who thinks they’re lying has effectively taken over as acting Party President.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/09/complainant-shocked-at-new-labour-representative-after-nigel-haworth-s-resignation.html
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September 12, 2019 7:15pm
chaos

https://mobile.twitter.com/hamishpricenz/status/1172043482917064706

*I have been reliably informed that the Prime Minister’s staffer, who is at the heart of the collapse of the Ardern government, was paid over $50k by the taxpayer to go away, in addition to his 5 weeks leave. *
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September 12, 2019 7:17pm
Rodney Randall

https://www.parliament.nz/mi/watch-parliament/ondemand?itemId=208814

9:15sec Tamati goes fulls retard.
Never go full retard.

Look at Logie.

What a bunch of sad muppets.

JOKE

bahahaha
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September 12, 2019 9:18pm
Rodney Randall

https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/115736881/christchurch-to-push-ahead-national-carbon-emissions-target-by-five-years

THE ECO FASCISTS AKA C.C.C. AND STUFF are at it again.

Boucher and Crewsdon pumping the shit out at 21:09 with the comments section closed.

F$%king eco fascists

The C.C.C. needs a great flushing of all the peoples choice commies come the election.

god help us all if the evil old trot Dalziel gets back in!
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September 12, 2019 9:36pm
Hugh Pavletich

US Surpassed Saudi Arabia, Russia To Become World’s Top Oil Exporter … Zerohedge

https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/us-surpasses-saudi-arabia-russia-become-worlds-top-oil-exporter

The US has once again surpassed Saudi Arabia and Russia to reclaim the No. 1 spot as the world’s largest oil exporter, according to data from the International Energy Agency.

Record shale production helped the US ship nearly 9 million barrels of crude and other oil products a day in June, surpassing Saudi Arabia, Bloomberg reports. And as more companies build the infrastructure necessary to transport oil from fields in Texas and New Mexico to the coast, the amount of oil exported by the US is expected to climb. …. VIEW & READ MORE via hyperlink above …
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