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KiWombat

Happy Birthday DPF !
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September 11, 2019 8:01am
- Lance
  
  Yes happy birthday DPF – almost as good a birthday as 9 Sept 😉
  
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  September 11, 2019 8:08am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    I am transitioning my birthday to September 11th so I get to bathe in this warmth, I mean, who wants to be reminded about the ides of March
    
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    September 11, 2019 8:49am
  - Tall Man
    
    Bloody Virgos…. Nit pickers all of us 🙂
    
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    September 11, 2019 12:32pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  I echo those words. Many Happies DPF, and here’s to many more productive years to come in everything you turn your hand to.
  
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  September 11, 2019 8:10am
  - Happychappy
    
    Same from me also DPF and many more of them.
    
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    September 11, 2019 8:19am
  - lofty
    
    From me also, have a great day DPF.
    
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    September 11, 2019 10:39am
- Scott
  
  I’ll second that! In this age of political correctness Kiwiblog is one of the few significant places that kiwis can go to actually air their views and speak candidly. DPF deserves a lot of credit for that. He is a true liberal who believes in hearing lots of different views and allowing debate. Well done that man ?
  
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  September 11, 2019 8:13am
- Shut the hell up you Fascist!
  
  Happy birthday PDF
  
  🙂
  
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  September 11, 2019 8:46am
- cmm
  
  Well he’s sure getting some nice prezzies today.
  
  Thanks PriNZess & crew!
  
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  September 11, 2019 2:36pm
Jade Warrior

Why doesn’t she just come clean and tell us what she really knew?
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September 11, 2019 8:01am
- chaos
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmzsWxPLIOo
  
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  September 11, 2019 8:40am
Maggie Pie

My partner acts like a real dork in front of me sometimes 🙁
A friend of mine asked him what his favorite Essential Oil was? He said “bacon fat”.
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September 11, 2019 8:06am
- Tony Stuart
  
  He sounds like a man after my own heart 😀
  
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  September 11, 2019 8:07am
- Lance
  
  Sounds like a good kiwi bloke.
  
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  September 11, 2019 8:09am
- chaos
  
  Isn’t that the one essential oil that makes your belly grow?
  
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  September 11, 2019 8:41am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Sperm that does that
    
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    September 11, 2019 8:51am
- Local Miller
  
  Works for me:
  https://imgur.com/r/funny/T2Qx77z
  
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  September 11, 2019 8:57am
- Ed Snack
  
  Well done that man ! Bacon is one of the six essential food groups. And for your education these are Coffee, alcohol, chocolate, bacon, tomato sauce, and pastry. Minor warning – do not mix these all at one time.
  
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  September 11, 2019 9:25am
  - GoVege
    
    Bacon gives you bowel cancer.
    My uncle was skinny as but ate bacon every morning.
    One day he couldn’t eat anything…a few months later he was gone.
    
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    September 11, 2019 11:47am
    - GoVege
      
      But at least he didnt have to wear a colostomy bag….for long.
      
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      September 11, 2019 1:14pm
      - softail 1450
        
        GoVege , was the colostomy bag recyclable like a lot of your posts? we are all aware you are a veggie eater so you don’t have to continually remind us.
        
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        September 12, 2019 7:50am
    - JibberJabber
      
      Bullshit.
      
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      September 11, 2019 1:44pm
    - chaos
      
      Something you have in common with him, you’ll be gone within a few months
      
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      September 11, 2019 1:55pm
      - GoVege
        
        Sorry chaos…wot does THAT mean?
        
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        September 11, 2019 3:28pm
Tarquin North

I see the George Washington of New Zealand politics is rapidly morphing into Walter Mitty.
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September 11, 2019 8:07am
Right of way is Way of Right

How did you sleep last night Prime Minister?

Did you lie on your back?

Did you lie on your side?

Did you lie on your back?

Because on the basis of yesterdays media engagements, you certainly can’t lie on your feet!
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September 11, 2019 8:07am
- Simon
  
  Ardern eh?
  
  Young vulnerable female staff allegedly sexually assaulted by senior Labo insider and Ardern sweeps it under the carpet and is now lying about it. The victims victimized again by Ardern like the worse misogynistic toxic male centric.
  
  Ardern so beloved by many on the left for her woman powers of empathy and compassion but its all falling apart. Some in are utter denial and others are cracking open.
  
  Watch how the left will rationalize the actions of a powerful woman who treated vulnerable powerless female victims like garbage.
  
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  September 11, 2019 8:50am
KevO'Brien

The Otago Daily Times may have turned against Ardern. See this featuring pics of both Bridges and Ardern side by side. Who is the sweeter of the two?
https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/bridges-christchurch-call-just-big-talkfest-paris
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September 11, 2019 8:08am
G152

Remember remember the 11th of September
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September 11, 2019 8:10am
- alex Masterley
  
  Something I will never forget.
  TVNZ- The Holmes show in the morning were reporting on the first plane that hit the World Trade Centre. I was watching it.
  While the camera was panning around showing what happened it caught the second planes impact.
  I couldn’t believe what i was seeing.
  
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  September 11, 2019 8:21am
  - kowtow
    
    Seminal event of the 21st Century.
    
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    September 11, 2019 9:01am
  - Twinkletoes
    
    Came home from bridge, turned on BBC news and for some strange reason thought I was seeing a futuristic film. Until I realised I wasn’t when the second plane hit.
    
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    September 11, 2019 11:06am
  - KiWombat
    
    hmmm – the first attack was at about 1-00am here in New Zealand (9am in NY) so Holmes must have started his morning show around midnight?
    
    Perhaps he had a premonition – either that or HDPA had another of her dreams !!
    
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    September 11, 2019 7:59pm
- The King
  
  Never forget, 19 Muslims died that day.
  
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  September 11, 2019 8:52pm
Yvette

What did the Prime Minister know and when did she know it?
A most basic question.
Another is Have the Police been involved and are they investigating the complainant detailed in the SpinOff article?
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“The serious allegation of a sexual assault, outlined in The SpinOff article and in other media, was not provided to the President and Acting General Secretary at a meeting in the Wellington Central Library or subsequently to the Labour Party Investigation Panel.

“We continue to encourage anyone with serious allegations like this to raise them with the police, and we extend our offer to provide any form of support that is required to help with doing so,” Nigel Haworth said. – Press Release: New Zealand Labour Party [1]
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The following are the [Official Information Act] questions and the police response.
• Have there been any complaints with the police from Parliament after the urging of Speaker Trevor Mallard for the aggrieved to do so?
Yes, two complaints have been received by Wellington Police District.

• What is the nature of these complaints?
Both allege indecent assault.

• Are the police actively investigating?
Yes …

• Does the person still work at Parliament?
The alleged offender from the first complaint no longer works at Parliament. Police decline to answer this question in regards to the alleged offender in the second complaint due to Section 6 (c) of the Official Information Act 1982 as it will prejudice the maintenance of the law, including the prevention, investigation, and detection of offences, the right to a fair trial. [2]
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So the Labour Party President yesterday recommends anyone with serious allegations go to the Police, while Barry Sooper, Herald, reports they have.

Regarding influences that may result in an unfair trial, is it not time that Justice Minister Andrew Little – so adamant that such unfairness should not occur in the Grace Millane case (where apparently even knowing the perpetrator’s name may be immensely prejudicial) – remind all those connected with these inquiries of the same moral principle, and perhaps in particular those responsible for the above Labour Party press release, which many commentators are now suggesting is indicating the complainant allegations are “bullshit”.

[1] http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1909/S00131/statement-from-labour-party-president-regarding-allegations.htm
[2] https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12266240
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September 11, 2019 8:11am
- KevO'Brien
  
  I am pleased to hear the Police are now involved. Your comments have credibility.
  
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  September 11, 2019 9:19am
kowtow

The editor of ODT retires.

Says the right things ……

‘Many journalists, even good ones, let their views intrude. They, overtly or subconsciously, have social justice or other agendas, rather than being only a neutral dispenser of the news and opinions of others.

‘They fail to stand back sufficiently to put themselves in the socks of readers with different social views and lifestyles. Often, without realising what they are doing – and in their ”liberal” outlook they would be horrified to be accused of this – a few even find significant elements of society deplorable.’

But then goes and ruins it …..

‘And while elements of climate change can occasionally be questioned, the implications of a world ”on fire” are so serious it is important, mostly, to go with the 99% expert backing.’

https://www.odt.co.nz/opinion/inquisitive-fence-sitter-profession-end
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September 11, 2019 8:12am
- The King
  
  This editor is the example of the definition of ‘cognitive dissonance’ written. Stunning.
  
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  September 11, 2019 8:57pm
MCos

‘John Bolton Consoles Self That At Least He Didn’t Help To Make World Safer Place’
The Onion
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September 11, 2019 8:18am
- atomic drop
  
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  Trump surrounds himself with swamp critters and insane neocon freaks. He has thrown his white America voter base under the bus.
  
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  September 11, 2019 8:21am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Stop licking the windows. You may recover but, from your comments here so far, most likely not.
    
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    September 11, 2019 8:55am
    - atomic drop
      
      So tell me what has Trump delivered to his white voters?
      
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      September 11, 2019 10:08am
      - The King
        
        Nothing. Just don’t tell the boomers here someone might call them racist and you will be to blame.
        
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        September 11, 2019 9:00pm
  - The King
    
    Fact check. True.
    
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    September 11, 2019 8:58pm
Scott

President Trump has fired his national security adviser John Bolton. A bit of a shame in my opinion. However Pres Trump campaigned on getting America out of endless foreign wars and he is doing his best to do so. Bolton appears to be an advocate for American intervention, apparently he advocated for American intervention in Venezuela. This is exactly the opposite of what trump promised. So the differences between the two men became too great.

I do think America has to get out of these wars. Nation building has been a complete failure in places like Iraq and Afghanistan. Americans have no clue as to running a foreign country. They also have forgotten how to actually win wars. So best to get out of the middle east and Afghanistan. They are doing no good by staying on and it just costs them billions of dollars and American lives.
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September 11, 2019 8:19am
- MCos
  
  So why is it a shame he fired him?
  
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  September 11, 2019 8:47am
  - Scott
    
    Liked John Bolton and he was a good source of opinion for Trump. But I guess the difference of opinion got to be too great?
    
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    September 11, 2019 9:55am
- Komata
  
  Scott@0819
  
  There is however the minor ‘difficulty’ of ‘Loss of Face’!
  
  Can’t you imagine the ‘crowing’ reaction if / when the US removes itself from places where it currently ‘keeps the peace’ on everyone’s behalf?
  
  ‘We beat America’ would only be the start; the islamists especially, would love it (as, sadly, would the US MSM).
  
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  September 11, 2019 9:47am
- All_on_Red
  
  I’m quite happy not to see any new conflicts started but the reality is the US probably cannot totally withdraw from places like Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan.
  They’ll need to leave in place some form of presence for years.
  Mattis was very critical of Obama leaving Iraq as he said Iran and its terrorist surrogates would fill the vacuum.
  And they did.
  Bolton was too much of a warmonger. He probably wanted to get very aggressive with Iran- which would have been a mistake.
  Containment and sanctions is better imo.
  
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  September 11, 2019 10:28am
atomic drop

Female Netflix producer doing the #metoo thingy gets busted by her own emails sent to her supposed rapist Harvey Weinstein:

“‘You have been my mentor and friend for many years now and have never failed to give me the right advice. I am trying to figure out what my next step should be for my career as a whole and I trust your guidance completely.’”

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7442217/Netflix-producer-suing-Harvey-Weinstein-sent-HUNDREDS-affectionate-emails-disgraced-mogul.html

Send an email to the guy you tearfully claim raped you a few years before babbling on about trusting his guidance and asking for career advancement advice?!!

It wasn’t rape, it was a career move she made and was offering to let the lecherous Hollywood producer perform depraved acts on her in return for even more career advancement.

Good going sista – it puts a cloud of suspicion over all women who have successful careers.

Disgusting.
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September 11, 2019 8:20am
Martin Williams

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Having struck out with the Labour Summer camp conspiracy, Kiwibloggers are hoping for a better result from this conspiracy.
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September 11, 2019 8:23am
- chaos
  
  Struck out? You people that think sexual assault is ok are disgusting and are a part of the problem that sexual assault and child abuse is ok in this country. Grow up
  
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  September 11, 2019 8:43am
- Tony Stuart
  
  You really are the personification of nastiness, aren’t you Martin. What about the victims of the Labour summer camp affair, or do you not give a toss about them?
  
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  September 11, 2019 8:45am
  - Swifty
    
    Labour are the nasty party.
    
    Very nasty.
    
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    September 11, 2019 8:52am
  - igm
    
    No he would not, being a Labour supporter he would also be a great ally of Islam . . . [Mod – deleted. Don’t make seeping accusations]
    
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    September 11, 2019 8:54am
  - chaos
    
    Honestly, I have yet to see a labour supporter on this site care one ounce about the victims. And people wonder why these people do not go to the police, because they are attacked and made out to be lying by labour supporters. My heart goes out to all these victims and I hope they know that the vast majority of this country are behind them and support them.
    
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    September 11, 2019 8:55am
  - MCos
    
    I don’t really think the victims of the the Labour Party youth camp assaults was ever the focus of attention on this forum. The main concern has always been the identity of the perpetrator.
    Similarly with the current Labour Party fiasco it hasn’t been sympathy for the victims, but how it reflects on the PM that has caused the most comments.
    When the National Party had it’s problems a year ago it was all about Jamie-Lee Ross. I don’t recall Sarah Dowie got much sympathy. In fact she was investigated by the police.
    
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    September 11, 2019 9:08am
    - Martin Williams
      
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      Yep. Sympathy for victims is a cover for the real agenda which is to attack the Labour Party.
      
      Sympathy for victims from commenters here rings hollow.
      
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      September 11, 2019 9:25am
      - Swifty
        
        Face it mate, your Labour comrades are in deep do do here.
        
        Oh, and what’s this?
        
        https://twitter.com/newshubpolitics/status/904623482587058176?lang=en
        
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        September 11, 2019 9:34am
      - chaos
        
        Well we know there will never be any sympathy from you.
        
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        September 11, 2019 9:53am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Sympathy for victims from commenters here rings hollow.
        
        Not true,
        A couple of us commented on this Young man’s pain last night.
        https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018712678/labour-assault-investigation-retraumatised-victims-witness
        Have a listen to him..
        he’s scared, he’s upset, but he’s brave.
        
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        September 11, 2019 9:54am
      - barnacle bill
        
        That is so true Martin.
        
        This site is a Right Wing Political site and I bet that most don’t give a fig for the Labour Party.
        
        The aim is to get rid of the COl, no matter what it takes.
        
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        September 11, 2019 10:07am
      - GoVege
        
        Definitely, Martin.
        Yesterday was World Suicide Prevention Day but did it get a mention from Kiwibloggers?
        Mike King says Labour has done more for suicide prevention in 2 years than National did in 9.
        Where’s their compassion for kids killing themselves?
        
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        September 11, 2019 10:26am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @GoVege
        
        Perhaps some of us were exhausted from discussing Suicide and Mental Health here on KB a couple of days ago.
        
        https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/09/cross-party_co-operation_on_mental_health.html
        
        I think it is outrageous for you to think that just because KBers didn’t buy into a World Suicide Prevention Day, that folks here don’t care about the mental health of fellow humans.
        
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        September 11, 2019 11:14am
      - Rich Prick
        
        So we can take it you’re in the “she was asking for it” camp. Labour is a safe haven for society’s morally derelict.
        
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        September 11, 2019 11:32am
      - GoVege
        
        Maggy: if you found the 61 comments on suicide a few days ago exhausting, how would you rate the hundreds on the Labour Party youth camp?
        What do you mean “buy into” World Suicide Prevention Day?
        There’s nothing you can do after a suicide has occurred. I think WSD rated at the least a mention, preferably a whole lot more.
        
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        September 11, 2019 11:41am
      - Swifty
        
        Or maybe GoVege poeple here just don’t think this government capable of any beneficial action.
        
        Oh, they’ll throw million and millions of our dollars at the issue – but I confidently predict it won’t make a jot of difference.
        
        Just like unemployment. Just like Maori language uptake. Just like climate change. Just like road deaths. Just like poverdee.
        
        And just like sexual assault in the workplace….
        
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        September 11, 2019 12:21pm
      - chaos
        
        Really barnacle? As someone who has had a friend who has been sexually abused i find comments like yours disgusting. People off all walks of life and political leanings are sexually abused, for some idiot to claim that because the site is right leaning and the victims are left leaning there most don’t give a fig shows a rather stupid comment from you. People are pissed at the continued way this government has tried to cover up sexual abuse within their ranks, and people feel gutted for the victims when the perp gets away with with, and people have compassion for the victims. People except you and Martin and Stephie that is. Really speaks volumes when there is more compassion. For these victims from the opposition than their own party and supporters.
        
        And actually Govege my best friend killed himself 9 years ago, August 7, so you and your judgemental leftie friends that sit there trying to attack everyone can go fuck off back to you Little Rock’s you crawl out of to appease the atrocities that have taken place within the parties you support
        
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        September 11, 2019 12:35pm
      - GoVege
        
        But theyre trying, Swifty.
        They keep on trying.
        And have had some success….such as with gun control.
        
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        September 11, 2019 1:18pm
      - GoVege
        
        Chaos: I never said or meant to say that Kiwibloggers didn’t care about the suicide rate.
        I said Mike King says Labour has done more about it in 2 years than National did in 9.
        Maybe if you are a card-carrying member of the National party you might think that meant you.
        In any case, I reckon WSP day deserved a mention.
        
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        September 11, 2019 1:24pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Rubbish..
      look back at the first reports on this incident and I was writing how this covering up of the complaints was NOT best practice.
      
      I’ve never given a stuff about the perpetrator sof the Labour Camp or the Parliamentary abuses.
      
      What I care about is the way the Labour Party/ Powerful people cover up abuse.
      
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      September 11, 2019 9:37am
      - GoVege
        
        The perp sounds like a bully who should have been kicked out of the party.
        But Labour aren’t the only ones failing to deal with complaints.
        A friend of mine once phoned the Ministry of Education to report a teacher who did a lot more than sexually assault her as a 16 year old.
        The woman who took her call sounded as if she found it amusing.
        NZ does not deal with complaints well.
        
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        September 11, 2019 11:13am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      @Go Vege
      
      go and read what Scott and I wrote about Suicide on Sunday.
      
      Brief resume:
      My mother shot herself when I was 9 years old.
      Scott’s mother has attempted suicide.
      
      I’m not an expert on Suicide, but I’ve been aware of the frailty of my fellow humans every day for the last 56 years.
      
      Few of us get through this life without experiencing some form of mental illness or loving someone experiencing mental anguish.
      
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      September 11, 2019 1:50pm
      - GoVege
        
        I read about your loss Maggie and I’m sorry you had such a terrible, life-changing experience.
        My mother lost her mum to suicide at 13 and has had lifelong anxiety issues.
        My aunt had to receive shock treatment to prevent her suicide.
        Thankfully we can talk about this stuff (to some degree) nowadays.
        
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        September 11, 2019 5:50pm
    - GoVege
      
      Mcos: she was investigated by the police for allegedly inciting someone to commit suicide.
      Fortunately JLR did not do it.
      
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      September 11, 2019 3:54pm
    - rangitoto
      
      “I said Mike King says Labour has done more about it in 2 years than National did in 9.”
      
      King may have said that but the number of suicides since the CoL have been in Government tell a different story.
      
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      September 11, 2019 4:06pm
- Nookin
  
  Struck out? Really? When even the Labour Party’s own investigator into the summer camp debacle said that the party stuffed up big time?
  
  When there is now irrefutable evidence that it was put to Ardern over a month ago that the alleged assaults were of a sexual nature and she expressed neither denial nor even surprise but simply recorded that an investigation was underway?
  
  And the corollary: is she saying that even though she is Prime Minister and head of the department in which a senior staff member is alleged to have bullied, harassed and assaulted junior staff members, she does not have to pay any regard because they are not of a sexual nature?
  
  This is a clusterfcuk of the highest order and you demean yourself and the victims by trivialising it as a tinfoil hat conspiracy theory.
  
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  September 11, 2019 8:53am
- Swifty
  
  A conspiracy?
  
  Oh no, Martin, this seems to be the case of serious physical and sexual assault – as attested to by a number of people who were until recently fully paid up Labour party members.
  
  And, if it appears is the case, senior Labour people have lied about it.
  
  These are facts Martin.
  
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  September 11, 2019 8:55am
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  Struck out?
  
  I think a more appropriate sporting phrase to use in this instance would be “own goal”.
  
  Also, the sexual assault of a 19 year old woman is NOT a conspiracy, it’s a sexual assault.
  
  A conspiracy is what happens when you try to hide it to protect your mates!
  
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  September 11, 2019 9:05am
- softail 1450
  
  M Williams ,”Conspiracy”its only 9,12am and you have already won KBs “fuckwit of the day” award..
  
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  September 11, 2019 9:14am
  - The King
    
    Less than month ago Epstein was a conspiracy to Martin, his posts never age well.
    
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    September 11, 2019 9:11pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Summer camps (Labour) will never be the same again–soft drinks only (and Police supervision?)
  
  The publicity has helped destroy the Party. The trial outcome is not untypical and sentencing is awaited. I note the Prosecutor did not accept that some undesirable conduct had not occurred.
  It fits well with the present allegations of illegal conduct in the PM’s Office.
  
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  September 11, 2019 9:29am
- rightoverlabour
  
  A Rapist Apologist? A Labour Supporter. Never would have thought the two had so much in common. Martin, go and find out what its like to be raped and then come back and sprout shit on this Blog. Oh and good luck in your political future with this attitude ( if you are the same guy)…
  
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  September 11, 2019 9:44am
  - GoVege
    
    Where does it say anywhere that the perp actually raped anyone?
    He sounds like an obnoxious jerk who should have been investigated and kicked out of Labour, but dont lets exaggerate.
    Hopefully being dragged to court will stop him progressing past groping people.
    
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    September 11, 2019 1:30pm
    - Happychappy
      
      GoVege : so what would you call being pinned to the ground or floor with his hands down her panties for a period of time nearing 13 minutes. I actually though you were a one of those people that wanted young girls to live in a safe environment looking at some your previous comments.
      
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      September 11, 2019 2:21pm
      - GoVege
        
        Thats not what I read that she said happened, happy.
        Perhaps you could share the source you got that from.
        Ive already said its good he was had up in court and should also be kicked out of the Labour party.
        
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        September 11, 2019 4:01pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @Go Vege
        
        Read the Spinoff article
        https://thespinoff.co.nz/unsponsored/09-09-2019/a-labour-volunteer-alleged-violent-sexual-assault-by-a-senior-staffer-this-is-her-story/
        
        “I tried to knock him off but he put me in a hold across here,” she recounted, gesturing to her collarbone. He pulled her off the chair and onto the floor, keeping his arm and his body weight on top of her as she struggled, he said. “I remember him just saying, ‘shhh,’ and shushing me or telling me to be quiet without explicitly telling me, or he’d press his arm down on my windpipe.”…..
        He aggressively groped her breasts, she said, before pulling her underwear down and violently penetrating her with his fingers. …
        The assault lasted between 10 and 20 minutes, she said, before he rolled off her. “I was just lying there for ages and then tried to frantically put everything on.
        
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        September 11, 2019 5:15pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Well technically, in NZ, the Perpetrator is alleged to have committed Sexual Violation.
      
      I s’pose it’s whether you want to make a distinction between unconsented vaginal penetration with fingers, a penis, a knife, a broken bottle… or whatever.
      
      It’s in “Sarah’s” allegation as published in Spinoff.
      
      Desperate to attract the attention of the rest of the household, Sarah banged her feet against the hardwood floors, she said. She recounted him pulling down her jeans, and the coldness of the floorboards against her bare skin. He aggressively groped her breasts, she said, before pulling her underwear down and violently penetrating her with his fingers.
      https://thespinoff.co.nz/unsponsored/09-09-2019/a-labour-volunteer-alleged-violent-sexual-assault-by-a-senior-staffer-this-is-her-story/
      
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      September 11, 2019 2:50pm
      - GoVege
        
        Thank you for that, Maggie.
        I agree that’s absolutely disgusting and the creep should be charged.
        Obviously Labour have failed miserably over this, which Jacinda has acknowledged now.
        The guy sounds like a predator, and needs at the very least a criminal conviction to warn others.
        
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        September 11, 2019 5:44pm
secondcumming

*Useful Chinese idiom*

“If you eat other peoples food, your mouth will be soft, if you take their gifts, your arm will be shortened”

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EEDoYWcU4AAS4Tw?format=jpg&name=900×900

In other words, there is no such thing as a free banquet or trip.
Just saying.
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September 11, 2019 8:23am
oldpark

So what else is new. The Peters selected gang of free loaders and no hopers known as the Labour/Green /NZF.Coalition have struck again. This time fresh from banning any semblance of Motorways in the Greater Wellington area,they have vetoed a simple walkway from Eastbourne to Petone. Their lies and excuses are, they have no money. Seems the quality of life and well being of NZs has been at the mercy of the Peters selected NZ Government. Sadly not what people voted for. They voted National to make sure the promises and way of life for NZ would be a given.
An old adage usually is . “Every country gets the Government they deserve”.not here in NZ Peters has seen to that.
Even much worse than that. NZ has been run for the last two years by a small town girl who seems to be besotted by any overseas no hoping outfit,rather than protecting the well being of NZs.
Just check out the oohing and aaahing by our small town Peters selected woman. Just a couple of “here is me and who is like me”photo opportunity by Ardern as she struts the UN,France,Australia, Etc!Etc!
Pity she hasn’t worked out in NZ ,Painful as it may be for her Labour Party that alleged sex abuse claims by her staff, fact or fiction,is worthy of a more caring comment. Sadly no, the same person has her sights set on another photo opportunity at the UN next week. Her message let the sex abuse claimants eat ****.Nuff said.
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September 11, 2019 8:31am
Odakyu-sen

The NZ Herald is praising the action of non-native speakers to learn Te Reo, but no concrete advantages are offered, except for the hope that somehow learning a second language is “good for the brain” (which it is).
The second language ought to be a useful one (unless you want to be a government worker, in which case, “fluency” in Te Reo will accrue social credit points).
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September 11, 2019 8:37am
- DigNap15
  
  yes learning a second language a great and could be very useful.
  But Maori is a waste of time as it has no use anywhere. (other than on the Maori as a ceremonial flashback)
  
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  September 11, 2019 9:22am
  - chaos
    
    I remember back in high school our principal brought in that everyone had to learn Maori. With the backlash it was changed to a second language. German, Japanese and Chinese classes were full. Maori class, not even Maori took it. One Maori friend said Chinese was more valuable for him to learn career wise.
    
    I like the Maori language, always have, but a second language should be compulsory and up to the students what to learn.
    
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    September 11, 2019 10:14am
- Jules99
  
  Turns out that the idea that learning a second language is good for the brain is just that – an idea. There’s no evidence for it, and in fact studies show that smart people are better at learning two or more languages. In other words, having a good brain is better for learning other languages.
  
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  September 11, 2019 1:09pm
Swifty

I suggest that the happiest bloke in New Zealand today is Tall Man.

Tall Man, take a bow. 🙂
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September 11, 2019 8:37am
Lee C

This is bad for Ardern. Make no mistake. The best result she can hope for is to ‘survive’ in her role.

Hoskins is right about her ’empathy’-lapse. But what is more important is the female vote.

Ardern’s best strategy for re-election was, in my view, to appeal on a subconscious level to the female vote. This issue has burned her credibility.

Women like to feel that their sisters are above the kinds of power-plays and bullying that they so readily point out that men are ‘guilty’ of.

what Ardern has done is publicly thrown other women to the wolves, and then protected the wolf.

Women will forgive a lot. But a fellow female sanctioning teh sexual abuse fo another female? Really?

My wife voted for Ardern (I suspect) as a ‘role model’ for our daughter.

Ardern has publicly self-immolated her one solid, reliable source of voter support in a very shabby and sordid manner here.

Everytime when pronounces on feminism, sex abuse, ‘metoo’, mental health, suicide, ‘evil right-wingers’ or goes to a talk-fest to ‘curb’ some kind of abuse – you name it, someone, somewhere will get a bit of sick in their mouths.

Female voters will have their revenge on election day, in my opinion. labour Party voters will seek alternatives. Floating voters will deny her their ’empathetic’ choice. her face on Woman’s Weekly in the supermarket – probably not a good idea for a while…

But they’ve got no one else, so ‘The Labour Party’ she once saved, will now be the same one she’ll destroy.
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September 11, 2019 8:40am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Who the Hell is ‘Hoskins’?
  The man’s name is Hosking.
  
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  September 11, 2019 8:53am
  - DigNap15
    
    who was John Keys?
    
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    September 11, 2019 12:16pm
    - chaos
      
      This guy I think
      
      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_W._Keys
      
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      September 11, 2019 3:51pm
  - chaos
    
    He might mean bob
    
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Hoskins
    
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    September 11, 2019 3:52pm
- Happychappy
  
  That’s what power does to people that think they have the skills to con the voter, look at all the Tyrants around the world that obtained power for the good and promises they gave their following only to be consumed by power. They have turned out to be arsoles and led their Country into insolvency.
  
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  September 11, 2019 9:02am
atomic drop

https://dailycaller.com/2019/09/09/trump-border-wall-construction-65-miles-dhs/

“The Trump administration is replacing old, ineffective barriers at the U.S. southern border, but they cannot say when they will begin constructing wall in areas with no existing border barrier.”

No wall.

And Texas will be majority Mexican population next year. So what is the point any more?
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September 11, 2019 8:43am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  The point is to win elections. Same as the 100,000 houses.
  
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  September 11, 2019 9:10am
- All_on_Red
  
  The money’s flowing now and the Walls are going up.
  Customs and Border Protection state 450 miles will be completed by the end of next year.
  Nice drone footage- it looks great.
  https://www.theepochtimes.com/border-patrol-unveils-60-miles-of-us-mexico-border-wall-in-drone-footage_3055182.html
  
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  September 11, 2019 9:37am
  - atomic drop
    
    At least read your own linked articles mate:
    
    “The administration has awarded $2.8 billion in contracts for barriers covering 247 miles (390 kilometers), with all but 17 miles (27 kilometers) of that to replace existing barriers instead of expanding coverage.”
    
    Your linked article backs up mine:
    
    “Morgan did acknowledge a difference between what he calls “new wall” and “new linear miles.” The new linear miles would encompass border wall being built in sectors where no barriers — no matter how small — previously existed. He noted that by 2020 the Rio Grande Valley sector could “easily reach 100 new miles of linear wall.”
    
    Morgan declined to answer, however, when the Daily Caller asked when Americans can expect the administration to actually break ground on construction projects on new linear miles of wall.”
    
    Plus you need to get your head around the demographics.
    
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    September 11, 2019 10:50am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Wake up halfwit
      The existing barriers are just Post and rail fences
      They’re being replaced with 30 foot high steel slatted fences with surveillance tech attached and new access roads.
      They have to be replaced and the CPD is focusing on doing that where the most traffic is. They started on that because that’s all Congress would allow.
      Now Trumps won in the Supreme Court he can build new sections too.
      
      So when you say “no Wall”, you are WRONG.
      
      As for the demographics, the legal Hispanic citizens don’t like the illegals. They don’t like them undercutting their wages.
      All the Polling shows that. (Florida!)
      Illegals can’t vote either. Watch for voter ID being enhanced.
      
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      September 11, 2019 11:42am
      - The King
        
        Dude.
        
        >Wall
        
        >Fence
        
        Why am i having to explain this? do i need to draw them with crayons so you can understand?
        
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        September 11, 2019 9:16pm
cmm

Is Winnie really recuperating from having an old rugby injury fixed?

If so, why do it now? He could have done it when he was in opposition. He could wait until 2020 and do it when he’s out of parliament.

Why now?
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September 11, 2019 8:46am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Probably because he can spend all this time recuperating on full pay on the highest rate that he’s ever likely to be on.
  
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  September 11, 2019 8:54am
  - kevn
    
    @Captn… and he can dodge the fallout/flak from JA’s current problem.
    
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    September 11, 2019 9:10am
- chaos
  
  Maybe his knee didn’t need replacing then. But I do think he is staying away to not have to support her in question time.
  
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  September 11, 2019 8:59am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Ive heard rumours he has emphysema
    I don’t like the guy but I wouldn’t wish that on anyone
    
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    September 11, 2019 9:40am
    - sooty
      
      Yep it’s more than a dodgey knee!
      He looks young and healthy in his photos released. He hasn’t looked like that for years!
      
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      September 11, 2019 10:53pm
- alloytoo
  
  One almost suspects that Winnie knew and understood the scandal that was about to break in the PM’s office.
  
  Cunning old coot.
  
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  September 11, 2019 9:03am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  He had an arsehole transplant, the arsehole rejected him, no other arseholes were up to the challenge, a replacement arsehose is being grown in a Petrie dish somewhere in Outer Mongolia as Haworth’s is beginning to look too well reamed to be of use.
  
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  September 11, 2019 9:03am
- softail 1450
  
  CMM , because part of the old dogs recuperation will be the World rugby cup in Japan for a few weeks…
  
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  September 11, 2019 9:09am
Cobolt24

Fonterra to shed large number of jobs to balance books.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/115678601/fonterra-to-shed-large-number-of-jobs-to-balance-books

It is understood middle management positions are more likely to go than processing plant workers.
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September 11, 2019 8:50am
- chaos
  
  Wonder how long until they up the price of milk
  
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  September 11, 2019 9:57am
softail 1450

One of my Granddaughters is doing a school project on “Great Orators”, I suggested Martin Luther King,Abe Lincoln, Winston Churchill, instead She Listened to Hoskings interview with Ardern yesterday morning.
Here is her analysis .
Ardern used “UMM” and “AHH’ 112 times in that short piece.
Hosking used UMM and AHH 3 times ‘
Which of these two would be the better orator,,LOL.
Jacinda is under a shit load of self inflicted stress and if she can wriggle out of this one she may not be a great orator but she will be the greatest escapeologist since Houdini.
My advice was not to use those stats in her class as her teacher wont see them favorably at all.
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September 11, 2019 9:01am
- chaos
  
  Ummm ahhhhhh I ummmmmm think ahhhhhh, ummmm, can we ahhhhhh have ummmm ahhhhhh committee look ummmm into ahhhhhh it
  
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  September 11, 2019 9:59am
  - Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes
    
    the claire curran school of speaking
    
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    September 11, 2019 11:38am
    - chaos
      
      Is that
      
      “ I did not have sexual relations with that woman oh wait no it was “I did not have breakfast with that woman”
      
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      September 11, 2019 12:43pm
  - barnacle bill
    
    Grow up lad.
    
    You make yourself look sillier than you already seem.
    
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    September 11, 2019 2:59pm
    - chaos
      
      Coming from you, I’ll take that as a compliment
      
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      September 11, 2019 4:01pm
      - barnacle bill
        
        Don’t get to carried away there sunshine.
        
        It was no compliment.
        
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        September 11, 2019 7:08pm
      - chaos
        
        Like is said, coming from someone like you I’ll take it as a compliment. I’m just happy I have much higher morals than you
        
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        September 11, 2019 8:00pm
- The King
  
  MLK Communist, rapist
  
  Churchill, mass murderer.
  
  Yeah go with Abe cause “send the blacks back to Africa” wasn’t as bad as the first 2….
  
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  September 11, 2019 9:21pm
cmm

Does anyone else also find the attitude of the IRD a bit annoying?

I filed GST one day late and I get a warning letter saying no penalty this time, but next time….

When we collect GST for the IRD, and for the government to spend, we are doing the government’s work for them. For “free”.

We don’t get paid a damn cent. We don’t even get a “thanks for helping”. Nope, all we get is a kick in the balls if we’re one day late.

In no other legal activity does a worker not get paid and get penalties if they are one day late.

Perhaps it is time for GST gatherers to be treated as agents – get paid a fee for the GST they gather. Maybe even a slice of the GST they gather.
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September 11, 2019 9:06am
- Maggie Pie
  
  My partner has always said that no matter how much money you put their way every month, you never build up any goodwill with the ird.
  
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  September 11, 2019 9:15am
- MCos
  
  I’m going to write to the IRD and demand to know why you weren’t penalised for being late,
  
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  September 11, 2019 9:15am
- KevO'Brien
  
  The upgraded software has got more formal. Penalties and interest appear now to be charged automatically. Those were at the Commissioners discretion.
  
  If only the Dept could allocate payments to it properly. I’m not satisfied about my clients treatment. The new system is remembering back 10 years or more but no details, just balances. This is primitive by the standards required.
  
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  September 11, 2019 9:41am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  Through a minor blimp the PAYE due on 20th August was paid on 21st August. I got three letters, all dated 23rd August, in three separate envelopes in the mail. The first told me that PAYE deductions were not paid on time. the second told me that KiwiSaver Employee Deductions were not paid on time. The third told me that KiwiSaver Employer Contributions were not paid on time. When I telephoned the Tax Department I was told their “call-back” system was overloaded.
  
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  September 11, 2019 10:07am
- Jules99
  
  PAYE is even worse – they are quite severe on fining you if you are a day late.
  
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  September 11, 2019 1:11pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    That’s the new computer system.
    How is the Commissioner now exercising his discretion? It’s good for my business but it’s worrying clients.
    Even worse IRD are sending out arrears notices when tax payments have been miss allocated and adding on the full amount of Prov Tax payable until May 2020. This is being shown as due now with payment arrangements included.
    
    I can’t trust their taxpayer accounting .
    IRD are now no longer taxpayer friendly.
    
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    September 11, 2019 1:43pm
  - PhilP
    
    Tell that to Matt McCarten
    
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    September 11, 2019 8:25pm
Swifty

The scene?

Senior Labour Party people are huddled together in the copy room at Fraser House.

Their mission?

How to deflect, deny, defer subsequent to yesterday’s startling revelations.

Their plan?

They all shout in unison ‘Welease ztev!!’
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September 11, 2019 9:06am
- chaos
  
  It’s pretty easy to make this go away
  
  Next week to celebrate youth neve will be guest prime minister
  
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  September 11, 2019 10:01am
Happychappy

That’s what power does to people that think they have the skills to con the voter look at all the Tyrants around the world that obtained power for the good a promises they gave their following only to be consumed by power. They have turned out to be arsoles and led their Country into insolvency.
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September 11, 2019 9:08am
- MCos
  
  “led their Country into insolvency”
  Not according to Simon Bridges
  
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  September 11, 2019 9:18am
  - Happychappy
    
    What would know MCos as your limited to pulling your head out Winston’s arse and then spewing your shit on kiwiblog.
    
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    September 11, 2019 9:39am
    - MCos
      
      My dear boy!
      
      That’s worth a tick for vivid imagination
      
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      September 11, 2019 4:50pm
Maggy Wassilieff

For my Government:

Kaore e taea e au te whakawhirinaki ki a koe mai i te teka ki a matou
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September 11, 2019 9:12am
- chaos
  
  I trust them to always lie
  
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  September 11, 2019 12:46pm
kowtow

Funny old world , we have a lefty regime who make a virtue of virtue signalling and yet their operations are constantly excluding people and giving us fewer choices , surely how we hand over our ransom should be our choice as citizens .

‘Inland Revenue and ACC will stop receiving cheques as payment from next March.’

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/398470/ird-and-acc-to-stop-taking-cheques
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September 11, 2019 9:21am
Yvette

Mental health in Parliament
It is ironic that Simon Bridges still does not know who the alleged sex offender works for (Three News, yesterday evening), when that question so greatly effected Bridges own seeking out which member of his own party was mentally unwell.

To Bridges’s credit, he did appear to be about the only one to appreciate a case of a stupid leak had become the issue of someone being mentally very unwell.

Back then, soon as Mallard determined it was not his own staff, he publicly dropped his investigation (but carried one on privately) and Winston chided Bridges across the House for not being able to identify the person after 40 days. Jeering at Bridges was more important, it seems, than identifying someone who had threatened to kill himself. (and Winston is still preoccupied with his own leak now after 745 days)

For a while there, no one in Parliament appeared able to work out who was responsible for the wellbeing of a Member who admits to ending up sitting in his car on the railway tracks. It appears little has been learnt from that, as so little has been learnt by Labour from the summer camp debacle.

Another aspect that appears unhealthy is the seeming emerging obsession the Prime Minister now has on whether the alleged offence was sexual in nature or not. So if not, was she going to do anything less about it?

And –
She brought in a QC four weeks ago because she needed a third-party – “a trusted, reliable individual” – to give her “a sense of clarity” about the case, she said.
“I need clarity, I need to act decisively and I need to fix it … and I will. But I do need the QC to report to me.”
She said Mr Haworth understood his position and if the QC report was unfavourable towards him, “we will need to act on that”.
“When I have clarity I will act on it.” [1]

This level of confidence in herself seems to hark back to several comments Ardern has made in NEXT Magazine interviews regarding her own anxiety.

[1] https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/398469/future-of-labour-party-president-nigel-haworth-uncertain-after-handling-of-sexual-assault-allegation
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September 11, 2019 9:41am
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  A QC brought in 4 weeks before Prime Minister even heard that there had been an allegation of a sexual assault to seek clarity around reports of a sexual assault that she hadn’t heard anything about, but somehow still needed clarity for.
  
  Yeah, right!
  
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  September 11, 2019 10:05am
- BeaB
  
  Everyone else has ‘clarity’ about this. What is it that she finds so hard to understand? How stupid is she?
  
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  September 11, 2019 10:23am
Hugh Pavletich

Fonterra to shed large number of jobs to balance books … Gerard Hutching … Stuff NZ

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/115678601/fonterra-to-shed-large-number-of-jobs-to-balance-books

Fonterra has confirmed there will be job losses as it heads towards reporting a massive loss at the end of the month.

The extent of the cuts is unclear, but a number of sources have confirmed to Stuff they have heard about the losses.

It is understood middle management positions are more likely to go than processing plant workers.

A Fonterra spokeswoman acknowledged there would be cuts but would not say how many. … read more via hyperlink above …
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September 11, 2019 9:50am
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  Ooo, squirrel!
  
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  September 11, 2019 10:06am
Komata

KT@0921

But rest assured that ‘Checks’ of a certain persuasion are always welcome on the ninth floor of the Beehive (especially if they are lawnmower salesmen)

(Just saying).
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September 11, 2019 10:05am
greybeard

This must be a first: not ONE mention of Jacinda or the Labour Party or the CoL on the Stuff homepage, as at 10:07am !
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September 11, 2019 10:09am
Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes

I note that Golly Gee-whiz is at the UN looking for her next job (sorry Guy, you are a temp, GG will need a girlfriend for a UN role). The photo op with Omar was just awful and opportunistic…….actually GG 101. Word of advice, the head tilt needs about another 15 degrees to be considered authentic and genuine. Keep working it…….
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September 11, 2019 10:10am
Maggie Pie

Turns out one of the new girls at work was a couple of years behind me at the same Catholic Boarding School.
She asked me what my fave Bible verse was and seemed a bit shocked when I quoted Ezekiel 23:20
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September 11, 2019 10:32am
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  Oooh-er….
  
  “More tea Vicar?”
  
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  September 11, 2019 11:43am
  - kowtow
    
    Whadda ya mean , vicar !
    
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    September 11, 2019 1:27pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Wench status?
  
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  September 11, 2019 1:48pm
grumpy

Euthanasia, what were you saying about “the slippery slope”?
https://www.lifenews.com/2019/08/21/disabled-41-year-old-man-is-euthanized-after-funding-for-home-health-care-runs-out/?fbclid=IwAR36pkjiN8eBPqDikEaX0c-CWtVOATU9SEqiBeSKIdJZwoxlTypFJuguC3Y
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September 11, 2019 10:34am
- kowtow
  
  Canadians are so funny, they bang on about their “free” health system ( which they pay a lot in taxes for) , as a point of difference with the horrible Yanks to the south .
  
  And yet , this guys’ care is only partially funded. So much for that much vaunted “free” health care , eh ?
  
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  September 11, 2019 1:26pm
Lee C

MCos makes a valid point about Sarah Dowie.

I recall many on the left rapidly forgetting their so-called feminist credentials to burn that particular witch because supporting her might upset their narrative.

More recently they rushed to burn the another four or five who dared to upset the narrative.
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September 11, 2019 10:45am
Lee C

Maggie – the closest I get to ‘donkey’ is ‘Don Quixote’ these days.
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September 11, 2019 10:54am
Fletch

So, as from next year, the IRD will no longer accept cheques as payment and are “phasing them out”. I hope they don’t expect any money from my folks then, or many other older people.

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/inland-revenue-acc-phase-cheques-march-next-year
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September 11, 2019 11:12am
- MH
  
  refer Board of Inland Revenue v Haddock (also known as the negotiable cow) is a fictitious legal case written by the humorist A. P. Herbert
  
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  September 11, 2019 12:19pm
MH

I still have several second hand macrons hardly used,available for anyone wishing to send a letter of remorse and apology for talking in class, specifically Maori, by Maori as part of post colonial guilt syndrome . I’m sure many of us oldies can recall caning and strapping.Please send to ex MP Dover Samuels, Far North corridor of Power, the one with the cowboy hat. I was whacked by a Mr M Deaker-unfairly for speaking English when told only silence would do=the whole class was in detention for previous misdemeanours at the time. Is there a QC available to take up my case of discrimination and institutionalised aggression, or are they all booked up on minor matters of state?
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September 11, 2019 11:24am
noskire

Who is this Claridy person that Jacinda keeps seeking?
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September 11, 2019 11:52am
Maggy Wassilieff

https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/order-paper-questions/list-of-oral-questions/oral-questions-11-september-2019/
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September 11, 2019 11:56am
- Maggie Pie
  
  God that PAULA can be a bitch. LOL!!!
  
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  September 11, 2019 12:06pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  Brilliant. Mallard won’t be able to rule it out of order… Gotcha….
  
  Hon PAULA BENNETT to the Prime Minister: Does she stand by all her statements?
  
  Any question can follow as a supplementary…. Lets see Jacinda squirm out of this one…
  
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  September 11, 2019 12:27pm
  - chaos
    
    They’re hoping more than anything the woman go to the police so they can use that to not answer
    
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    September 11, 2019 12:50pm
  - Paulus
    
    She did exactly that today.
    Squirm with “NO” answers to all Bennett’s questions.
    
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    September 11, 2019 2:23pm
secondcumming

I always start to worry when I hear *American Joe* advertising on 1ZB
that it’s time to BUY silver 😎
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September 11, 2019 12:03pm
niggly

So GG is in NY and met with one of her “the squad” idols.

I hope GG, being a “climate emergency” believer, wasn’t a hypocrite and flew from NZ to the US adding to the tons and tons of carbon emissions as a result?

Surely, in times of “climate emergencies” one would take heed of the dire situation and sail over there using “renewable” energy (wind power) and back again?

Or is it another case of “four legs good, two legs bad”? Clearly it is!
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September 11, 2019 12:20pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  I believe she walked there. #SecondComingOfChrist
  
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  September 11, 2019 1:48pm
MH

30 pieces of sliver has obviously crossed someones palm.
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September 11, 2019 12:21pm
MH

A few inconvenient truths
from Thirteen Facets by Ian Wards -The balance that matters chpt 6 by Wiremu Parker 1978

Those who say that the suppression of Maori in schools was a deliberate pakeha device to do away with Maori culture would be well advised to do a litle research. The truth is that well-intentioned , but as we now know misguided. Maoris and pakehas were convinced they were acting in the best interests of the Maori people. Mr Takamoana, one of the first newly elected Maori members of Parliament said in Parliament in 1871 “that the whole of the Maoris in this island request that the Government should give instruction that the Maoris should be taught in English only.” Another petition by Renata Kawepo and 790 others, and also one from Piri Ropata and the 200 others for every endeavour to have schools established throughout the country so that Maori children should learn the English language.
As early as 1876 a petition to Parliament from We Te Hakiro and 350 others asked that all children of two years of age when just able to speak, should be taught the English language, so that their first language should be English. The petition also asked that not a word of Maori be allowed to be spoken in the school, and that the schoolmaster, his wife , and children be altogether ignorant of the Maori language.
For years the leaders of the young Maori Party preached up and down the country what both A. T. Ngata and Dr Mau Pomare believed that “the first subject in order of priority in the school curriculum was English, the second most important subject was English, the third most important subject was English and the arithmetic and other subjects.”
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September 11, 2019 1:24pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  This was a problem that Samoa had to face earlier. Europeans there are scarce and Samoan is richly used. There are 3 languages evident: standard, respectful-extended-formal and street where English grammar constructions were common.
  The Govt. compromised and taught both Samoan and English. The population is largely bi-lingual. Their genealogies can be properly maintained and church services in formal Samoan are a delight. English is used extensively and has facilitated their development during the past 50 years. Their laws are in both languages.
  
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  September 11, 2019 2:00pm
MH

At the refresher course for all teachers of the Maori Schools Service held in Rotorua in 1939, Ngata was still advocating that policy. It was a widely held Maori opinion that the function of the school was to teach English and the function of the home was to keep the language alive and in that way ensure that all Maoris grew up bilingual. In 1936 Peter Fraser , the Minister of Education , dispatched a one sentence letter to Sir Apirana Ngata worded as follows.
Dear Sir Apirana
Referring to your statements in the house last night, I should esteem it a favour if you would kindly let me know what your people expect of our school system.
Yours sincerely
(signed) Peter Fraser
The reply was prompt and equally brief:

Dear Mr Fraser
In reply to your letter, the question you pose is one that I have raised with my people of the Tairawhiti (Eastern electorate) and the reply has always been the same – we send our children to school to learn the ways of the Pakeha.
Yours sincerely.
(signed) A. T. Ngata

apols for lack of macrons-do pass on to Dover Samuels

more to come, Keep as reference when he or some other revisionist cries for another full and final apology.
Incidently I am not against maori language nor the call for it to be compulsory……just don’t agree with this apology rort iron garbage.
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September 11, 2019 1:43pm
- MH
  
  The present writer ( Wiremu Parker) was brought up in an area with ten pas within a ten mile radius and without exception all children there spoke Maori as their first language. In all those communities there would have been only about six homes where the children were bilingual from infancy. All children together with their parents believed that the purpose of going to school was to aquire English and English knowledge. Maori language and Maori knowledge were alive and throbbing.
  In those circumstance there is no doubting that the parents would have strenuously resisted any attempt to introduce the teaching of the Maori language into the primary schools in the twenties and thirties, though some oof the maori post primary denominational schools had by 1930 accepted Maori language as a subject in the curriculum for the University examination.
  
  Much is made nowadays of the fact that children used to be punished for speaking Maori at school. That is not denied. However while at primary school up to 1929 this writer cannot recall any of his contemporaries ever being punished for this reason. However in other schools, where children were chastised for speaking Maori in the playground, the parents, invariably dismissed the incidents with the retort “Kaitoa ! Mahara koe i tukua koe ki te kura ki te aha,ki te ako ra i te reo Ingarihi ! (Serve you right ! Why do you think you were sent to school,to learn the English language of course ! )
  It is well to bear in mind that Ngata, Buck, Pomare, Kohere, Wi Repa and other giants of the Young Maori Party who were widely credited with salvaging the Maori people had all grown up in an era conditioned to accept the notion that the Maoris were doomed to extinction as a result of the clash of cultures. they all saw in the acquisition of English language and English education the most promise for a people’s survival and development.
  
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  September 11, 2019 2:22pm
Happychappy

The wannabe film star Patrick Gower arrives back from his trip to the USA and immediately calls the Government disgraceful for not having enough information out there on weed for the voter before the referendum.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/09/patrick-gower-on-weed-aims-to-educate-voters-in-place-of-disgraceful-lack-of-govt-information.html
You can’t educate people on alcohol so how are you supposed to get get them educated on weed.
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September 11, 2019 2:01pm
chaos

Hopefully this will become great news

*A multinational team of scientists have made a startling, world-first discovery in Russia which could change the lives of tens of millions of people: they accidentally identified a mechanism to neutralize the HIV virus.*

https://www.rt.com/news/468463-scientists-claim-neutralize-hiv-virus/
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September 11, 2019 2:13pm
- cmm
  
  Looks like a long road still to be traveled.
  
  Killing a virus is one thing, killing the virus without killing the other cells in the body is something else.
  
  Still, do some more research, it might pan out.
  
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  September 11, 2019 2:41pm
- nasska
  
  …..”a mechanism to neutralize the HIV virus”…..
  
  That will upset the Godaddled. They’ll have to think of some other retribution for those straying from the commands of Skydaddy.
  
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  September 11, 2019 6:13pm
chaos

Now just grant and Jacinda and other mps that helped cover this up to go

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/115710495/labour-party-president-nigel-haworth-resigns

Labour President Nigel Haworth has resigned over his handling of sexual assault allegations.

Haworth offered his resignation to Ardern after she read correspondence to the party confirming that the complaints were very serious.
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September 11, 2019 2:24pm
- chaos
  
  General debate on now, Paula is getting stuck in
  
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  September 11, 2019 2:49pm
herb1

Still feeling sick in my throat from listening to the Genter interview on Magic talk this morning.
Every inconvenient point he raise about battery life , toxicity of battery materials etc was roundly rejected as fake news . She just spoke loudly , extremely rapidly and kept going around in circles , never answering the questions and flitting from topic to topic.
Seriously after listening to her I can’t help the impression that she’s mad
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September 11, 2019 2:49pm
- John Warren
  
  I’ve been of that opinion for quite a long time. Quite seriously. She’s a manic neurotic, or something.
  
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  September 11, 2019 5:12pm
Tauhei Notts

I got out a school essay of mine from the fourth form in 1963. It was about the upcoming election, and rather childish in its analysis.
So I have been watching politics for 56 years.
In that time I cannot recall such a serious matter in the Prime Minister’s Department as we are seeing at the moment.
But I must congratulate the Labour Party on their cover up. Their animal cunning skills are the best I have seen. In General Debate today Paula Bennett, point by point by point made them look unforgivably awful. No honest person could have an answer to that. But the present government could; they had their first two speakers talk in a language that few have any widespread proficiency in; shut the bastards up!
A cunning stunt
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September 11, 2019 3:34pm
- chaos
  
  Yeah and the shouting from a certain minister during it, disgusting
  
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  September 11, 2019 3:44pm
Pateke

Message to Cinders from Bob Dylan about being in holes.
“Right now, I don’t feel too good. Don’t send me no letters, no.
Not unless they’re mailed from Excavation Row.”
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September 11, 2019 5:15pm
Odakyu-sen

Wintering over in Niigata Prefecture is on my bucket list.
I really want to buy a teapot from this studio:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PnF7iAbZs8
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September 11, 2019 5:41pm
tranquil

What I **love** about seeing “Brand Jacinda” massively damaged is that (as far as I can see) there is no up-and-coming “pretty face” in Labour to replace her!

No “Cindy version 2.0”.
That is **great** to gloat about!

Ahhhhh…… I **love** the smell of schadenfreude in the evening…….. 🙂
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September 11, 2019 6:49pm
chaos

I think today this post deserves sharing. Mod please check it is ok to post this before approving it. This is one of the victims of the labour youth camp.

[Mod – link deleted. The names of the victims of those assaults are suppressed by the Court, and even though one victim is self-identifying, it’s not worth the risk of DPF’s blog identifying him]
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September 11, 2019 7:00pm
- chaos
  
  Thanks for that
  
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  September 11, 2019 7:57pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    post it on https://ysb.co.nz/ many of us read/ post there as well
    
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    September 11, 2019 8:12pm
rightoverlabour

Back to boring stuff.. Hows that Global Warming coming along??? https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9903420/brits-prepare-for-worst-winter-in-decades/

LOL
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September 11, 2019 7:43pm
Suze Wainwright

Hey, where are we at with Ihumatao right now? Are the woke folk still at one with it?
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September 11, 2019 7:47pm
Hugh Pavletich

… UNITED STATES …

Trump pushing for major crackdown on homeless camps in California, with aides discussing moving residents to government-backed facilities – The Washington Post
… behind paywall …
… via Zerohedge …

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/09/10/trump-pushing-major-crackdown-homeless-camps-california-with-aides-discussing-moving-residents-government-backed-facilities/

… extract …

… A White House spokesman said Trump signed an executive order in June that pertained to affordable housing regulations, and that the administration is continuing to seek new solutions for homelessness. Trump’s executive order created a new White House council on eliminating “regulatory barriers” that White House officials believe increase the cost of building new housing. Developers have said these restrictions drive up prices on housing and limit the supply.

“Like many Americans, the president has taken notice of the homelessness crisis, particularly in cities and states where the liberal policies are combining to dramatically increase poverty and public health risks,” said Judd Deere, a White House spokesman. “President Trump has directed his team to go further and develop a range of policy options for consideration to deal with this tragedy.” … read more via hyperlink above …
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… Guides to problem United States Cities and States …

… What is being learned from the successful ones ? …

2019 15th Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey

http://www.demographia.com/dhi.pdf

The average home price in every American state – and what you get for your money | Marissa Perino | Stuff.co.nz

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/113894360/the-average-home-price-in-every-american-state–and-what-you-get-for-your-money?rm=m
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September 11, 2019 8:16pm
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  Surprise … surprise … with this appearing in the NZ Herald ! …
  
  Trump pushing for crackdown on homeless camps in California – NZ Herald
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12266681
  
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  September 11, 2019 9:24pm
Komata

Suze W@1947

Nah, that is SOOOO Last Week; the MSM have got bedder things for this week; important things like whch kindy the PrNZess will visit and what fashion mags she will grace with her presence..
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September 11, 2019 8:40pm
kevn

cindyGate
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September 11, 2019 8:45pm
Hugh Pavletich

… UNITED STATES …

4 out of 5 Americans say there is a housing affordability crisis (NAHB Survey) … Mortgage Professionals of America Magazine

https://www.mpamag.com/market-update/4-out-of-5-americans-say-there-is-a-housing-affordability-crisis-177571.aspx

Housing affordability is at crisis level according to a new survey from the National Association of Home Builders.

The poll of almost 20,000 people across the country last month also shows that 78% said it was a problem in their state, 76% said it was a countywide problem, and 75% said it was a problem in their city.

“Housing affordability is near a 10-year low and this poll confirms the challenges hard-working families face to keep housing within reach as rising costs continue to outpace wage growth,” said Greg Ugalde, NAHB chairman. “Policymakers must roll back inefficient zoning rules, costly impact fees and outmoded land development regulations that are driving up housing costs, contributing to the mounting lack of affordable housing and hurting middle- and low-income households.” … read more via hyperlink above …
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… Guides to problem United States Cities and States …

… What is being learned from the successful ones ?

The average home price in every American state – and what you get for your money | Marissa Perino | Stuff.co.nz

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/113894360/the-average-home-price-in-every-american-state–and-what-you-get-for-your-money?rm=m

2019 15th Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey

http://www.demographia.com/dhi.pdf

Housing Affordability Ratings … Median Multiples … All Markets

Australia 5.7
Canada 4.0
China (Hong Kong) 20.9
Ireland 3.7
New Zealand 6.5
Singapore 4.6
United Kingdom 4.8
United States 3.5

This serious social issue of political and urban planning failure will likely be dealt with more quickly and effectively in the United States than most other jurisdictions.
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