General Debate 9 August 2019

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Greg Ettridge

Good Morning
I don’t do Thursdays Jacinda.
All is well in the world, Jacinda has now been in power 650 days.
In that time, she has morphed into the kind darling of the world.
Whilst back at the day to day job, it appears Jacinda doesn’t really like fronting Parliament for question time.
I thought it important the PM fronts the parliament to answer questions?
How far back do we have to go to find a Thursday where she fronted question time.
From what I can find in Parliamentary records.
She has managed to drag herself into the chamber on two occasions, yes just two occasions.
First was Thursday 16 November, the first sitting of this term of Parliament.
The second appearance, just 17 months ago on 1 March 2018.
The most open accountable government?
Great work if you can get it
Has had to front 25 question times so far this year.
Great work if you can get.
Maybe it is in the Winston agreement, has to be some reason.
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August 9, 2019 8:00am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Greg.
  I would be the last person to defend the hopeless current PM but there has been a tradition since whenever that the PM and Opposition Leader don’t do Thursday question time.
  And yesterday she was at Sir Brian Lochore’s funeral.
  
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  August 9, 2019 8:08am
  - Monique Watson
    
    Perhaps she could reschedule and re-prioritize accordingly. Oh what that’s what the PM is doing. It’s just that it doesn’t appear to be in the best interests of Kiwis.
    
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    August 9, 2019 8:12am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Quite so Captain. Given Sir BJ was a Member of the Order of New Zealand, I would expect nothing less than the PM being at the funeral. And again in her defence, she returned to Parliament later in the day and took a call in the Abortion Debate.
    
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    August 9, 2019 8:13am
  - Biscuit
    
    Agreed, Captain.
    
    Jass may – DOES – have her faults but she is simply following ‘tradition’.
    
    And her attending BJ’s funeral – Roberston as Minister of Sport and Mark as the CoL’s Wairarapa rep were also there – was fitting.
    
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    August 9, 2019 8:13am
  - Gravelroad
    
    Haha – “at Sir Brian Lochore’s funeral “…
    Would be interested to know if Ms Ardern had any personal connection to the deceased and his family?
    Certainly couldn’t be attending because of an interest in rugby, surely.
    
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    August 9, 2019 8:13am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      See my reply to Captain M above. Sir Brian was a great New Zealander, and it was entirely appropriate that the PM attended his funeral.
      
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      August 9, 2019 8:21am
      - Biscuit
        
        Sheesh, and I thought the Left had thecards n Bigotry.
        
        Like it or not, Jass is Prime Minister.
        
        As Prime Misister she represents the country – whether at great State occasions or, as here, the funeral of a very decent New Zealander.
        
        She is doing nothing that you wouldn’t have expected any of her predecessors in office – Right or Left – to do …
        
        Pick on her for her REAL faults…
        
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        August 9, 2019 8:25am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        I’m not for one moment defending Ardern Biscuit. She is out of her depth in my opinion, and things are starting to spiral out of control.
        
        There are however certain ceremonial events we should expect our PM to attend, regardless of their political stripes.
        
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        August 9, 2019 9:09am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Remind me, D Day commerations were trumped by which kindy?
        
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        August 9, 2019 1:53pm
  - srylands
    
    I was not aware of that tradition. It seems extraordinary.
    
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    August 9, 2019 8:14am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      It began with Helen Clark, continued with John Key, and has continued in the present Parliament. Thursday is a day when the PM and LotO engage with the community.
      
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      August 9, 2019 8:22am
      - sooty
        
        But how many times is she there on the other sitting days?
        How many days does she stay in the chamber past 2.30 in the afternoon past the 2.30 time she normally leaves tob ath the babeee?
        
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        August 9, 2019 8:37am
      - calendar girl
        
        Fair enough, but that still leaves me wondering what Fridays and Mondays are for, with no Parliamentary sittings.
        
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        August 9, 2019 10:18am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Far from it. Every PM and Leader of the Opposition needs certainty of availability. The Tues/Wed On and Thurs OFF is reasonable and long established.
      
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      August 9, 2019 8:50am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        what about mondays and fridays then?
        
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        August 9, 2019 8:31pm
  - peterwn
    
    I have no issue with the PM not doing Thursday’s Question Time (questioners know where they stand with this) and I have no issue with the PM attending Sir Brian’s funeral.
    What would be annoying is if the PM randomly and without notice skipped Question Time.
    
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    August 9, 2019 8:27am
  - cas
    
    I agree Sir BJ was a fantastic bloke and she should have been there. But I look forward to hearing that, to save the planet she and Robbo and Ron Mark shared a car to go over the Rimutakas and back.
    
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    August 9, 2019 8:37am
  - cas
    
    I agree that she should have been there. BJ was a fantastic NZer and his presence filled a room. But did she and Robbo and Ron Mark share a car to go there and back so as to save the planet?
    
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    August 9, 2019 8:39am
    - peterwn
      
      A PM may choose to use CR1 alone to go to such an event, since the car is effectively a workplace and there is generally work to catch up on. As a general case, no criticism can be made of this.
      
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      August 9, 2019 9:34am
    - cas
      
      Sorry about the repetition the first one didn’t show up as having been submitted.
      
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      August 9, 2019 9:42am
    - yossarian
      
      Her and Ron can compare their individual flight services. Ron’s helicopter services Vs Jacindas Air Force One?
      
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      August 9, 2019 10:09am
    - Paulus
      
      I assumed she used one of Marks Spinning Rotor Cars as she was very quickly back in Parliament !
      
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      August 9, 2019 10:58am
- Rich Prick
  
  She’s a fucking airhead no one voted for.
  
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  August 9, 2019 8:22am
  - record guy
    
    #MAGA
    
    Make
    Arden
    Go
    Away
    
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    August 9, 2019 8:28am
    - DigNap15
      
      I’ve got my cap!
      
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      August 9, 2019 8:55am
    - Rich Prick
      
      I really like that. And the mere mention of a fully feuded 757 will make it happen. Sadly.
      
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      August 9, 2019 8:59am
    - yossarian
      
      #onetermardern
      
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      August 9, 2019 10:10am
  - peterwn
    
    If you made that comment using that word on Whaleoil/ theBFD their moderators would have struck it out and quite rightly too.
    
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    August 9, 2019 8:32am
Maggie Pie

It’s that time again peeps!
Summer Camp registration in now open.

And remember our motto: ‘Wot goes on in camp, stays in camp’
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August 9, 2019 8:02am
- igm
  
  Only when you and your party has a friendly high-ranking cop!
  
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  August 9, 2019 8:22am
- hullkiwi
  
  Maggie have you joined the Standardnesta school of burying, obfuscating and diverting attention? Reading the Standard at the moment is a good lesson on how to dance on a pin head!
  
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  August 9, 2019 8:29am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  more like “women and children first”
  
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  August 9, 2019 11:44am
Hugh Pavletich

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UNITED STATES HOUSING: Perspectives from New Zealand …

Americans scramble to find affordable homes as housing crisis spreads | Prashant Gopal, Reade Pickert and Noah Buhayar | Stuff.co.nz

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/world/114845729/americans-scramble-to-find-affordable-homes-as-housing-crisis-spreads

Low mortgage rates and thriving employment should be the recipe for a strong housing market. Instead, they’re deepening America’s affordability crisis.

What began on the coasts, in areas like New York and San Francisco, is now radiating into the nation’s heartland, as well as to cities from Las Vegas to Charleston, South Carolina.

Entry-level buyers are scrambling to purchase homes that are in short supply, sending values soaring. … read more via hyperlink above …
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The average home price in every American state – and what you get for your money | Marissa Perino | Stuff.co.nz

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/113894360/the-average-home-price-in-every-american-state–and-what-you-get-for-your-money?rm=m
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2019 15th Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey

http://www.demographia.com/dhi.pdf
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August 9, 2019 8:02am
- Swifty
  
  Put the lotion in the fucken basket!
  
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  August 9, 2019 8:31am
- Sponge
  
  Christ you are tedious Hugh.
  
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  August 9, 2019 8:41am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Sponge, you even more so!
    
    ZZZZZZZzzzz.
    
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    August 9, 2019 9:08am
    - Swifty
      
      Who other than your 0.000001% extreme left nutjobs really care????
      
      Duh!
      
      Lol!!!
      
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      August 9, 2019 9:47am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
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  … now back to Auckland apartments .. Interest Co NZ reports …
  
  Hard to value Auckland waterfront apartment with two car parks sells for $84,000 … Greg Ninness … Interest Co NZ
  
  https://www.interest.co.nz/property/101105/hard-value-auckland-waterfront-apartment-two-car-parks-sells-84000
  
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  August 9, 2019 8:42am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    … IMMIGRATION UPDATE … STATS NZ …
    
    Statistics NZ estimates New Zealand’s net migration gain increased 1% in the June year compared to the previous year to 49,427 … Greg Ninness … Interest Co NZ
    
    https://www.interest.co.nz/property/101118/migration-gain-1-year-june-compared-previous-year
    
    Statistics NZ estimates New Zealand experienced a net population gain from migration of 49,427 in the 12 months to June.
    
    That was up 1.0%, or 509, from the net gain of 48,918 in the previous 12 months, but well below the gains of between 53,243 in the 12 months to June 2015 and 58,688 in the 12 months to June 2017, with a peak of 63,834 in the 12 months to June 2016.
    
    The latest gain of 49,427 was the result of 145,292 new long term arrivals and 95,866 long term departures.
    
    The reduction in the net gain has mainly been driven by more people leaving the country long term, which has steadily risen for the last three years, while long term arrivals have remained near their June year 2016 peak of 145,831 for the last three years.
    
    There was a net loss of 13,427 New Zealand citizens in the 12 months to June, almost double the net loss of 6881 in the previous 12 months. … read more via hyperlink above …
    
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    August 9, 2019 11:58am
slightlyrighty

Remember the Ad that Gillette ran earlier this year targeting Toxic Masculity.

Well, the result has been a $12 Billion writedown in the value of the company.

It seems the adage, “Go Woke, Go Broke” is well founded.
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August 9, 2019 8:03am
- The King
  
  I dont buy Gillette, Kelloggs,Sodastream, nestle, nike. netflix.
  
  All anti-White anti- male products.
  
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  August 9, 2019 8:23am
  - Brian Marshall
    
    I don’t have sodastream so no need to buy their products, and I can’t convince the ladies of the household to give away Netflix, but otherwise all those products are on my “no buy list”, and I do the shopping in my household. That extends to all the related companies of those products and brands too. Sick to the back teeth of SJW telling me what to do or I’m bad and responsible for all the worlds ills.
    
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    August 9, 2019 9:05am
    - Batman
      
      Christ you lot sound like lefties throwing tanties for the pettiest of reasons.
      
      Grow up.
      
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      August 9, 2019 4:23pm
- cmm
  
  All Gillette and their like sell is advertising. Their “product” is supposedly razor blades etc.
  
  A far superior, and far more satisfying, shave can be had with old-school safety razors for a tiny fraction of the price.
  
  For the price of a 4-pack of Gillette you can get about 100 safety razor blades which will cover you for over 2 years.
  
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  August 9, 2019 9:58am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Electric shavers are quicker, easier and less messy.
    
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    August 9, 2019 11:42am
    - septic skeptic
      
      Same can be said for masturbating though…
      
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      August 9, 2019 4:04pm
  - JibberJabber
    
    Schick has always been a far superior product anyway.
    
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    August 10, 2019 12:59pm
Albert_Ross

Dear God – to think that Bill English might have been Prime Minister all this time.

Thanks, NZ First voters. Thanks a whole bloody bunch.
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August 9, 2019 8:05am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Yeah; thanks for bloody nothing!
  
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  August 9, 2019 8:24am
  - record guy
    
    Yep…. Winnie let his personal hatred of English & Joyce cloud his already foggy judgement
    
    Arden is the worst PM in pretty much forever – just a social media experiment going wrong
    
    3 years of Arden with give National 9 years of grief to sort out.
    
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    August 9, 2019 8:34am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      just a social media experiment gone wrong
      There fixed it
      It has died and is starting to fester.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZMoB6ms2mE
      unfortunately it is us who are taking the beating.
      
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      August 9, 2019 9:58am
    - cmm
      
      “Winnie let his personal hatred of English & Joyce cloud his already foggy judgement”
      
      No, Bill told him to take a ride on a fire truck. Jumping in the sack with Winnie is never worth it.
      
      Labour were gagging for “power” and offered all the baubles he wanted.
      
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      August 9, 2019 10:00am
      - Tall Man
        
        That is close to the discussion I heard as well.
        
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        August 9, 2019 10:15am
    - hullkiwi
      
      I didn’t think you could get a PM worse than Geoffrey Palmer, but it seems I was wrong.
      
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      August 9, 2019 3:49pm
- hullkiwi
  
  Come in Chuck, & all the others who thought an election is “about keeping National honest”.
  Instead, we’ve had 650 days of dishonesty!
  
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  August 9, 2019 8:32am
  - septic skeptic
    
    In the long run we got the best result possi left as a country. In my view a Nat/NZF coalition could only ever have gone on term, maybe less. Then we would have a landslide for Labour/Green with a proper mandate to inflict their madness on us.
    
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    August 9, 2019 9:03am
    - Swifty
      
      Agreed.
      
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      August 9, 2019 9:27am
    - Tall Man
      
      Yep and I imagine Sir Bill and his team felt exactly the same.
      
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      August 9, 2019 10:10am
    - hullkiwi
      
      Yes, I agree with you Septic. Let’s hope when the election comes all the soft swing voters see sense. Else we’ll be in for 3 years of hard Labour (+ the Redmelons).
      
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      August 9, 2019 12:26pm
artemisia

Mike Hosking on Kiwibuild this morning.

I can’t help but think Eaqub’s plans involve cold, white, prefab boxes. In other words, he’s solving housing by numbers. It’s Lego housing. Numerically it works; real world it’s a ghetto.

And in larger Kiwibuild developments, like Unitec, if they proceed as planned, a big chunk are to be social housing. In a high density development, that ghetto is going to be sooner rather than later.

This week I checked out Monark, the Wellington city fringe development of over 90 apartments and a few other units, due to complete in about 18 months. Almost half are for Kiwibuild and word is there has been a lot of interest. Of course we have heard this before and it might all go very quiet when ballot closes in a few days. If they don’t sell and the underwrite is triggered, some sold on the open market will end up as rentals (not allowed under Kiwibuild for 3 years) and possibly some will end up as social housing.

(Body corporate levies are based on June 2017 numbers and are likely to be a lot bigger than the approx $3000 annual per unit in the draft budget. Banks will be aware when assessing serviceability for Kiwibuild applicants seeking preapproval and this will affect bank decisions.)
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August 9, 2019 8:06am
- JibberJabber
  
  Listening to Eaqub and Robertson on economics is like Jim Jones pontificating on the best flavoured Koolaid.
  
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  August 9, 2019 8:59am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Who in their right mind is going to sign up to buy in a development with high likelihood of significant amounts of social housing? Nothing drags down house values and community standards like lots of nearby state housing.
  
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  August 9, 2019 10:59am
Monique Watson

Bloody hell. An alleged rapist in the ranks. Labour closing ranks. A Green Minister acting anti-democratically to say the least; a Part-Time PM. Another baby dies and the Primary Industry getting hammered by the Press. Just to start the list off.
But it’s a lovely place to grow up in, New Zealand.
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August 9, 2019 8:09am
- record guy
  
  Sex perverts. Economy rapists ….. cheers Mrs Ed
  
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  August 9, 2019 8:35am
- Rich Prick
  
  I’m pretty sure 95% of NZF party votes were just mis-directed skid marks.
  
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  August 9, 2019 9:06am
wreck1080

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/bay-of-plenty-times/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503343&objectid=12256646
Record $709m in Tauranga and Western Bay building consents issued

Quite honestly, the economy is doing so well here that there are no available people to allow for this growth.

We really need an interest rate rise to cool things off. Wait….
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August 9, 2019 8:09am
Tony Stuart

A week is a long time in politics…

What a week it’s been; probably the worst one the Greens, Labour and NZF have had, both individually and collectively, since they came to power. Jacinda Ardern seems to have developed the reverse Midas touch, where everything she touches turns to crap!
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August 9, 2019 8:11am
- cmm
  
  Not really. It is just the Jacinda glitter being transparent so people can see the turd inside.
  
  Labour was, and still is, the 25% party. They fronted Jacinda and she picked up an extra 12% just for being something fresh. It was the “hope vote”.
  
  Now people see that she was all sparkle and no substance, the 25% Labour shines through again.
  
  I think this is more than a wedding and a second baby can fix.
  
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  August 9, 2019 8:19am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Labours ups and downs is just the left redistributing their ~40-45% votes amongst themselves.
    
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    August 9, 2019 8:51am
  - DigNap15
    
    Don’t get too carried away
    I’d like to see some big drops in both polls fro Labour ( and the Greens)
    
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    August 9, 2019 8:58am
    - Tall Man
      
      Of course you are assuming that any polling will be either fair or accurate.
      
      The first thing I look at is the “Don’t know” or “won’t say”. I then relate that to the Australian election and it does give me hope.
      
      The idiots out there all want to be “seen’ as being a cindy supporter so open their mouths at the first opportunity… supporters of the “other side” are generally more reluctant so I would add at least half the “non replies” to National and Simon Bridges.
      
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      August 9, 2019 10:08am
  - kloyd0306
    
    Your comment is true for those of us who are politically aware.
    
    Sadly, the majority of Kiwis are not paying attention, therefore, we might still be doomed with a further three years of mayhem.
    
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    August 9, 2019 11:22am
Maggie Pie

Question of the day:
Did Tracey Martin get screwed over by Winnie?
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August 9, 2019 8:12am
- sooty
  
  What NZF, got it’s own fingergate?
  
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  August 9, 2019 8:43am
Thought Criminal

If the state can tell you that you can’t commit suicide when you are in agony every day and there is no hope of recovery. Then the state is evil.

Your life, your choice.
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August 9, 2019 8:12am
- Andrei
  
  The state doesn;t tell you you can;t commit suicide and there is not much it can do about it if you do.
  
  What is being asked for is the medicalization of suicide.
  
  And if you think about it for a minute that is bad for medical profession and bad for society as a whole.
  
  But you wont think about it for even a nano second – rather you will deal in slogans
  
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  August 9, 2019 8:24am
  - stephieboy
    
    “What is being asked for is the medicalization of suicide.”
    
    ????
    
    Says whom. The crime of which removed from the statute books eons ago and rightly so.
    
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    August 9, 2019 9:11am
- The King
  
  Not as if they are going to do anything about it when you’ve done it Yeah?
  
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  August 9, 2019 8:25am
  - Brian Marshall
    
    Suicide was removed from the crimes act some years ago.
    
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    August 9, 2019 9:30am
- Lance
  
  To quote the movie “Bedazzled”
  Not that long ago you could be hung for successful suicide.
  
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  August 9, 2019 8:51am
Maggy Wassilieff

If women in parliament can’t trust Jacinda Ardern, why should the rest of us?
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August 9, 2019 8:13am
- Andrei
  
  We shouldn’t and I never have.
  
  BTW Maggie what is your opinion on these scatty schoolgirls “deciding” they wont have any children for the good of the planet?
  
  And the glowing press coverage they are receiving as a result?
  
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  August 9, 2019 8:26am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Maggie what is your opinion on these scatty schoolgirls “deciding” they wont have any children for the good of the planet?
    
    I suspect the power of their hormones will take over sometime before they hit 45.
    
    But if someone doesn’t want to have children, then maybe it is best they don’t…
    
    Not a position I’ve ever experienced….
    I like babies, and kiddie winkles, and teenagers, and young adults, and even some old wrinklies.
    
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    August 9, 2019 8:56am
- peterwn
  
  But they seem to trust Paula Bennett. This would say heaps about Paula!
  
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  August 9, 2019 8:38am
  - Lance
    
    Interesting that utu gripped old curmudgeon Winny Peters hates Paula and plots her demise I am sure, because he somehow thinks she leaked his payments details.
    
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    August 9, 2019 9:18am
  - Charmaine Hawke
    
    I met Paula at a lunch last week and was really impressed with her. She is one of the most personable politician’s I have met in a long time, the media and left hate her because they fear her plain and simple.
    
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    August 9, 2019 9:23am
- stephieboy
  
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  MW, which women?
  
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  August 9, 2019 9:11am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Aren’t you keeping up with the news, stephieboy?
    
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    August 9, 2019 9:28am
G152

Our fake news excelled itself last night posting directly from the US fake news sources.
Biden got a full free rant about the evils of Trump while Trumps reply was edited down to a shot of a tweet.
Not very transparent
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August 9, 2019 8:15am
- The King
  
  6 oclock boomers are the problem.
  
  “hey it’s 6 oclock let us tell you how to think” – t. the eternal boomer.
  
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  August 9, 2019 8:27am
  - kowtow
    
    The UK Daily Telegraph reported this :
    
    ‘A third of millennials want martial law and 66 per cent prefer strong leader over parliament, poll finds’
    
    As that’s behind a paywall here’s the link to the original . Be very afraid.
    
    ‘People of every age group, ethnicity and social backgrounds say they would “rather live in a society that focuses on giving people more security” than one that “focuses on giving people more freedom”.
    In total, 65% of respondents favoured security, compared to 35% who chose society based on freedom. ‘
    
    https://www.ukonward.com/thepoliticsofbelonging/
    
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    August 9, 2019 8:40am
    - The King
      
      Well here’s the problem – “‘People of every age group, ethnicity and social backgrounds say they would “rather live in a society that focuses on giving people more security”
      
      That’s because multicultural society’s are more dangerous so you actually need security. Hate speech laws, gun control, Bollards installed on bridges, etc etc. These people are polling from experience.
      
      The article you link speaks for its self, although it is disingenuous at not pointing out causes for why people think like this.
      
      Example:
      
      3% of over 75yo think democracy is good, this is because they lived it when their countries where 90% homogeneous, Europeans are more favored towards strongmen because that’s how its been for millennia, Emperors, Kings, Dictators, Presidents etc , who were just like them and had their interests at heart.
      
      Democracy now days gives the microphone to the best liars and charlatans who make big promises they can never keep, and the masses want to “believe” An honest man,politician would never make these false hope promises hence why he could never get elected.
      
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      August 9, 2019 10:05am
- Scott
  
  G152 – yes I saw that as well on the news. It appears that the Democrats having failed to prove that Trump is a Russian agent are now moving on to Trump as a white supremacist who encourages by his rhetoric mass shootings. He is to blame for these mass shootings according to this idea.
  
  We note 1st of all that under Obama there were 20 mass shootings. No one ever blamed him for any of them.
  
  We note also that the second shooter in Ohio was a Satanist who supported Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders. He was encouraged it seems by the violence of Antifa. Who can say that he did not see what they did and just take it to the next level?
  
  The first shooter appeared to be a radical environmentalist. As was actually the shooter in New Zealand.
  
  But let’s not let the facts get in the way of our narrative. It’s all down to Donald Trump. The presence of Donald Trump causes mass shootings. Is there nothing that Donald Trump cannot do??
  
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  August 9, 2019 8:35am
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    Scott, well at least he has done a flip flop on climate change and considering mass shootings, like his predecessor , a mental health issue.
    
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    August 9, 2019 9:16am
    - Batman
      
      Easy to develop a mental health issue when you digest 8chan, Fox, and OANN as fact
      
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      August 9, 2019 9:27am
      - Tall Man
        
        So how did steffy and yourself develop yours?
        
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        August 9, 2019 10:02am
      - The King
        
        Because CNN, newshub cater to the mentally healthy yeah?
        
        Russians!! everywhere!!
        
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        August 9, 2019 10:12am
      - The King
        
        8chan has boards specific to help those with mental health they also have self improvement boards, boards for neurotic leftists, communists, TV etc etc.
        
        The same media that convinced you to bomb millions of brown people over 20 years doesn’t get to chose what content people can visit buddy.
        
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        August 9, 2019 10:51am
      - Batman
        
        The King, I take it you frequent 8chan then?
        
        When even the founder of the site says it should be taken down, you have to wonder…
        
        As for the other comments above, mass shootings are not the same as terrorism based on this psychotic fear of invasion and replacement that drove the Christchurch cretin, and both the shooters over the weekend.
        
        That bullshit race-driven narrative has been promoted, driven, and inflamed by Donald Trump, Fox News, and the various other scumbags who are looking to create panic amongst white voters in order to maintain their political base in the face of demographic change.
        
        People with views like the not-a-King’s above, end up snapping and shooting up a mall full of innocent people because Trump says things like “it’s an invasion folks!” And “who can you stop it? Who knows?! Maybe you can’t.”
        
        A base which a fair few here seem to fall into, willingly falling back to a time of racial fear and hate crimes based on nothing other than rhetoric and faux hysteria from people like Tucker Carlson.
        
        It is truly sad. Just look at the guy who assaulted a kid for not taking off his hat during the anthem, on the basis that he believed Trump wanted him to via the whole kneeling footballers saga.
        
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        August 9, 2019 4:38pm
  - herb1
    
    And of course the party of the KKK , Antifa and the political ideology that gave us the Nazis , Mau, Stalin et al , aka the Democrats , aren’t responsible.
    The party who’s supporters protested outside the Trump residence calling for the rape of his daughter , the party who’s supporters staged plays about shooting Trump and comedies where his severed head is down, they don’t incite violence.
    The party who’s members make a film about Liberals hunting and murdering “deplorable , for sport, they don’t incite violence.
    But Trump , by advocating enforcing the immigration laws that the Democrats themselves voted for , is responsible.
    The Democrats and leftists today are very very sick people. Eh Psycho
    
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    August 9, 2019 9:36am
  - The King
    
    The eco-terrorism mentioned in Tarrants manifesto was a troll, specifically put there for people like you to use it for your agenda.
    
    There’s little tiny mentions in Tarrants manifesto that all sides can use to point blame at all other side.
    
    Clearly its working.
    
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    August 9, 2019 10:10am
- MickMac
  
  That’s why it is called Fake News
  
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  August 9, 2019 10:22am
kowtow

Another day , another report telling you how to live your life. The media already playing this one up bigly.

‘For New Zealanders, one “immediate and striking recommendation” was to alter diets from being high in meat and dairy, to being more balanced with plant-based food choices. This would use less land and water and emit fewer greenhouse gases, Hayward said.’

https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/114866294/everything-we-do-affects-our-climate-experts-react-to-climate-change-report
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August 9, 2019 8:16am
- Swifty
  
  Is that right though?
  
  If NZers consume less meat and dairy but other customers are found for the shortfall – then water use and gas emissions will be unchanged.
  
  I’m sorry I just don’t follow the logic.
  
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  August 9, 2019 8:28am
  - kowtow
    
    It’s not about the “climate” , it’s about attacking the west.
    
    “We don’t want to tell people what to eat,” says Hans-Otto Pörtner, an ecologist who co-chairs the IPCC’s working group on impacts, adaptation and vulnerability. “But it would indeed be beneficial, for both climate and human health, if people in many rich countries consumed less meat, and if politics would create appropriate incentives to that effect.”
    
    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-02409-7
    
    As someone else put it here on KB:
    Climate change is about taking money from poor people in rich countries and giving it to rich people in poor countries.
    
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    August 9, 2019 8:36am
- Evadne
  
  But it won’t use less land and water. The dairy alternatives such as rice milk and almond milk use MUCH more water. The fashion for avocados and quinoa and all the other trendy vege foods are leading to deforestation and famine. Veges are grown in greenhouses to meet demand (water & power intensive). Fresh veges/ fruit all have higher food miles / costs as they have to be air freighted. And let’s not start on all the land used by “biofuels”.
  
  Veganism for the environment is just sloganeering. A moderate, balanced, and varied omnivorous diet is best for the human body, and the environment.
  
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  August 9, 2019 8:46am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Buy fresh veges every day. Feed them to the pig and the pig will convert them into bacon
  
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  August 9, 2019 9:19am
- stephieboy
  
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  THE VEGAN MEAT REVOLUTION COULD HELP SAVE THE PLANET – AND FAST-FOOD CHAINS ARE FINALLY TAKING NOTICE
  
  A few years ago, convincing meat-free “meat” was nothing more than a distant dream for most consumers. Meat substitutes in supermarkets lacked variety and quality. Plant-based burgers were few and far between in major fast-food outlets – and meaty they were not.
  
  But realistic alternatives to environmentally damaging meat are now big business – and global fast-food chains are finally starting to take notice.
  
  Burger King has announced that after a hugely successful trial, it will roll out its partnership with plant-based meat company Impossible Foods across the US. McDonalds recently introduced the similarly meaty Big Vegan TS in its outlets in Germany, one of its five largest international markets.
  
  https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-drink/vegan-impossible-burger-food-waste-environment-animal-rights-climate-change-fast-food-a8968656.html
  
  Way to go. The big Steak, salad and chips is now redundant!
  
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  August 9, 2019 9:24am
  - Batman
    
    Your trolling is looking quite weak today, are you feeling ok Stephie?
    
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    August 9, 2019 9:25am
    - stephieboy
      
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      Batman, reality check! The facts are Vegan based food is becoming a vast profitable industry and there is nothing you or the naysayers can doing anything abou!t
      
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      August 9, 2019 9:35am
      - Maggie Pie
        
        @ steph
        Where would Krispie-Kremes fit in the equation of this vegan thang?
        
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        August 9, 2019 9:54am
      - Nermal
        
        Are you actually a vegan or are you just trolling?
        
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        August 9, 2019 5:26pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Stephie is never feeling OK. If he had a big T-bone steak he might feel better.
      
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      August 9, 2019 9:37am
      - Swifty
        
        He’s slowly but surely turning into another Phil Ure.
        
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        August 9, 2019 9:50am
      - kowtow
        
        It’s the boner he has for young ‘uns that worries me .
        
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        August 9, 2019 10:46am
      - Swifty
        
        He isn’t called Stiffyboy for nothing kowtow.
        
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        August 9, 2019 11:17am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    https://www.quora.com/Which-country-has-the-most-vegetarians?redirected_qid=18019096
    The top 20 vegetarian countries
    The vast majority of these people, live in 3rd world countries.
    That belch pollutants into the water an atmosphere.
    Remind me again why we need to vegetarians?
    
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    August 9, 2019 10:13am
  - kloyd0306
    
    Please explain why these poor substitutes are supposed to look like and taste like beef?
    
    Claytons failed. This will too.
    
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    August 9, 2019 11:37am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  An inconvenient fact:
  
  Dairy production meets human protein needs with one-third of the greenhouse gas emissions produced by wheat or food legumes.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/opinion/103502682/the-price-of-labgrown-meat-and-dairy
  
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  August 9, 2019 9:39am
igm

If one reads the comment at the foot of this load of rubbish, it shows the mentality of voters in this country.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/114792360/offers-to-insulate-freezing-social-housing-units-in-christchurch
It is not council’s money, it is ratepaters, many of whom cannot afford insulation in their own properties. This attitude by the commenter shows why ratepayers only, should vote in local body elections, not the bludgers who in most cases were too lazy and wasteful to ever own a proporty, yet they want anything that comes along for no input.
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August 9, 2019 8:19am
- KevO'Brien
  
  The new standards for warm rental accommodation must apply to all including state and local body housing too. Surely it’ not to be applied solely to private landlords–or is it?
  
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  August 9, 2019 9:02am
  - Kabull
    
    I wonder who is monitoring privately owned and occupied houses?
    
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    August 9, 2019 9:37am
  - freethinker
    
    And fines for Public housing not meeting the standard should be much higher as they are “Supposed” to set an example so set an example with really bug fines and disciplinary action on the staff responsible.
    
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    August 9, 2019 10:25am
- Steve Todd
  
  “This attitude by the commenter shows why ratepayers only, should vote in local body elections, […].”
  
  And how do you propose that be brought about, igm?
  
  Do you think a future National-led government will commit electoral suicide by amending sections 23 and 24 of the Local Electoral Act 2001, to remove the local franchise from 40% of all adult New Zealanders?
  
  Or, do you *really* think a future National-led government should simply suspend representative democracy and declare New Zealand to be a plutarchy – government of the rich and powerful, by the rich and powerful, for the rich and powerful?
  
  As I said yesterday, igm, it’s time to put up, or should shut up. Which is it to be?
  
  C’mon, igm, you can tell *us*. After all, let’s face it, given that you thrash about here under a pseudonym, no-one’s ever going to know who you really are. Are they?
  
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  August 9, 2019 9:40am
  - Tall Man
    
    Cut the pseudonym bullshit.
    
    Some of us have a business profile and public profile and don’t need nutjobs who have differing views becoming an issue.
    
    Posting under your own name, if in fact you are, is not a badge of courage, it just shows that you are relatively inconsequential.
    
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    August 9, 2019 10:00am
  - igm
    
    As said previously, you come across as a Labourite, unemployable, and living in a state house. Until bludgers of society realise they should not get a say in any decision making until they prove themselves with assets the better for all concerned.
    
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    August 9, 2019 10:08am
    - Steve Todd
      
      I have revealed here before, at least twice, that I am retired, and that I own my own home – mortgage-free.
      
      But, how I come across is irrelevant. There is no point in banging on about how only ratepayers should be allowed to vote in local elections, without setting out how you think that can be achieved – peacefully and without societal meltdown.
      
      If you can’t, or are unwilling, to do that – even under a pseudonym, by which no-one knows who you are – then shut up. Otherwise, you’re just thrashing about impotently, which can’t be good for you.
      
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      August 9, 2019 10:27am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        So you are economically secure and can’t be targeted by leftist nut jobs intent on taking away your family’s income. Easy to posture when you bear no risk.
        
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        August 9, 2019 11:29am
      - igm
        
        Bet you are a retired beneficiary or public servant who has never risked a dollar in business or investments . . . you being the epitome of the Labour way.
        
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        August 9, 2019 2:05pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        If that’s all you’ve got, then I hereby declare victory.
        
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        August 9, 2019 2:47pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Steve, it isn’t a contest, there are no winners or losers here… apart from steffy and psycho who definitely show themselves as perpetual losers.
        
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        August 9, 2019 4:33pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        I declared “victory”, because all of igm’s responses to me, going back several weeks, have consisted only of what he considers to be personal insults; he has no proposal to progress beyond his impotence.
        
        I’m going to explain where I’m coming from.
        
        Twenty-five years ago, I was in a position similar to the one igm finds himself in, but, instead of wanting to restrict local democracy, as he does – to those he approves of; those who own property, as if that is the only measure of the worth of people* – I wanted to enhance local democracy, by having local elections conducted by STV.
        
        * Are the tens of thousands of highly-educated young professionals pursuing their careers in Auckland, who cannot ever see themselves buying their own home, “bludgers”? According to igm they are.
        
        And that is what I, with one or two others, set out to do. I spent two years getting to grips with my subject, then six years going for it.
        
        I secured the support of my local MP. I wrote draft STV Option bills for Richard Northey (drawn from the ballot, and debated, in 1995) and Rod Donald (drawn from the ballot in 2000 – not debated; events overtook it).
        
        I contacted SOLGM (Society of Local Government Managers), giving them a presentation in June 1999. A few months later, they recommended to the incoming Labour government that STV be provided for as an option for local elections.
        
        Also in 2000, I worked with Internal Affairs officials on the government legislation that provided for STV. Officials accepted my recommendation that the counting of STV votes should be by Meek’s method.
        
        In other words, I put in the hard yards. I didn’t just bleat from the sidelines that things should be the way I want them, but not doing anything to make it happen.
        
        If igm is not prepared to spend several years of his life doing what is necessary to convince a future National-led government – starting with the spokesperson for Local Government, Jacqui Dean – to enact the necessary legislation restricting the local franchise to property owners, then the sum total of his achievement is to come across not only as a RWNJ, thrashing about impotently beneath a pseudonym, but also as a bitter, sour, sad, old man.
        
        So, I say again, given that we all know he is not going to do what is necessary, to get what he wants – and we all know why, as does he, don’t we? – instead falling back on the only “weapon” he has, that being to throw insults at me, I am entitled to claim victory.
        
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        August 9, 2019 8:29pm
  - freethinker
    
    Poll tax – tax/ratepayers are more interested in were and what value their taxes achieve, bludger don’t give a shit as long as they benefit.
    
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    August 9, 2019 10:40am
    - Steve Todd
      
      The Poll Tax is an alternative to rates, but the UK’s experience with it 25+ years ago (see the Wikipedia article I linked to yesterday), means no future National-led government will go near it. And rightly so, in my view.
      
      So, the question remains – how does igm get what he wants (being the local disenfranchisement of 40% of all adult New Zealanders, which he appears to have some support for here)? He can’t say, other than to now imply that “bludgers of society” (by his definition, anyone who doesn’t own property) should voluntarily decline to vote in local elections, such non-voting being “the better for all concerned” (presumably including themselves). What a joke!
      
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      August 9, 2019 11:56am
      - Jules99
        
        The basically renamed it ‘council tax’ and got it in that way. I paid it for 20 years.
        
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        August 9, 2019 2:43pm
- kloyd0306
  
  I’d go several steps further.
  
  Restrict ALL voting to taxpayers and property owners.
  
  Public employees (whose earnings are only possible via the private sector) should be ineligible to vote.
  
  Must be at least 25 years of age.
  
  Must have an IQ of at least 90.
  
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  August 9, 2019 11:45am
  - Steve Todd
    
    And how would you propose to put all those genies back in the bottle?
    
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    August 9, 2019 2:51pm
Rich Prick

Greetings from an Islamic shithole. No beer, but there is coffee, probably from rinsed through dried camel shit.

I know the usual apologist for this fucked ideaology will demand to know my travels. After the whipping we saw in Tétouan, we’ve seen none since. Yay for Islam.

Big drive tomorrow to Oujda. Hoping for no roadside beheadings on the way, but by all accounts that can happen in the smaller towns and villages.

Although with food hygiene standards here I’d possibly be happy meeting my maker that way than another questionable “chicken” dish.

No child traffickers today, just loads of wives in tents. Come on you #metoo girls, you’d have a blast here. Islam is lovely.
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August 9, 2019 8:19am
- igm
  
  Yet Islam followers have the audacity to tell us where we are wrong and what they want to make them feel happy here . . . never!
  
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  August 9, 2019 8:21am
  - Rich Prick
    
    Hey, if you want to hazard a public toilet and use your wrist to finish, welcome to Islam.
    
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    August 9, 2019 8:29am
- stephieboy
  
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  RichPrick, the fantasy in fantasy land/ own backyard continues.
  
  Top up on your meds long overdue.
  
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  August 9, 2019 8:26am
  - Swifty
    
    But who outside your ctrl-left bubble actually cares??????
    
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    August 9, 2019 8:34am
  - Rich Prick
    
    Oh, just go fuck yourself, I’m the one exploring these shitholes you’re so fond of. You try it next time, I bet you won’t be so fond of it.
    
    That’s why all your neighbours wanted to escape this shit. Islamic countries are fucking awful, and the reason is Islam.
    
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    August 9, 2019 8:35am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Why are you subjecting yourself to this torture RP?
      
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      August 9, 2019 8:44am
      - Rich Prick
        
        Motorcycle trip. 40 degrees. It’s kind of fun to see just how a backward religion can hold a country from achieving anything. How I’m getting wifi is a capitalist miracle. The oppression of women here is just awful. Really awful once you’re in the small villages. But the apologist will say it’s all cool. Maybe they really do hate women.
        
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        August 9, 2019 8:55am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        At least the fact that there’s no grog means that you’re less likely to fall of the motorbike.
        
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        August 9, 2019 9:39am
      - septic skeptic
        
        Always thought bikers were a bit mad. They have roads in Western countries don’t they?
        
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        August 9, 2019 10:30am
    - stephieboy
      
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      What a florid fantasy world you live in in the guiese of Muslim Bashing and hate speech alive and well on Kiwiblog..
      
      Next the Christchurch Mosque attack was a false flag engineered by Jacinda and Clarkey
      
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      August 9, 2019 9:07am
      - Swifty
        
        This comment neatly illustrates just how demented you have become.
        
        Our society is better than most in the world and much better than many North African states labouring under gangster governments, extensive corruption, frail human rights, predetermined elections, extra-judicial killings and torture, women openly treated as chattels and second-class citizens and religion being favoured over reason resulting in hidebound societal progress.
        
        And you say pointing this out is HATE SPEECH!!!
        
        Remind me, what are you known as on this site?
        
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        August 9, 2019 9:41am
      - Rich Prick
        
        Oh just piss off you ignorant basement dweller. Until you walk down the streets in these places you have no credibility defending these third worlders.
        
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        August 9, 2019 12:09pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Seriously, the way to deal with steffy girl is just ignore her. She is only here for the gratification your responses give.
      
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      August 9, 2019 9:55am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  If you want to draw some kind of conclusion about religion from all this, shouldn’t your comparison be with a Christian country also in Africa? Try visiting Uganda and tell us if it’s any better.
  
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  August 9, 2019 9:18am
  - Tall Man
    
    Beheadings common?
    
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    August 9, 2019 9:56am
  - Rich Prick
    
    I’m keeping my shitholes to a minimum. The trouble is most are Islamic.
    
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    August 9, 2019 12:12pm
G152

And this global warming and how we’re going to solve it all by ourselves.
We have the population of a medium sized Asian city.
Hong Kong for example has 2,000,000 more people than we have
Or, if you want, the population of a large European city.
So how will any efforts we make actually have an effect ?
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August 9, 2019 8:19am
- Biscuit
  
  G152, China has untold cities with populations greater than li’l ol’ New Zealand.
  
  Have a look at this Top 15 – you need 10 mill just to qualify! – and ponder just how many of them you have never heard of, heh:
  
  Shanghai (34 million)
  Guangzhou (25 million)
  Beijing (24.9 million)
  Shenzhen (23.3 million)
  Wuhan (19 million)
  Chengdu (18.1 million)
  Chongqing (17 million)
  Tianjin (15.4 million)
  Hangzhou (13.4 million)
  Xian (12.9 million)
  Changzhou (12.4 million)
  Shantou (12 million)
  Nanjing (11.7 million)
  Jinan (11 million)
  Harbin (10.5 million)
  
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  August 9, 2019 8:32am
  - DigNap15
    
    You should send that list to the Greens.
    
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    August 9, 2019 9:28am
  - MickMac
    
    Thanks for that. Biscuit.
    I could name 4 and know where they are.
    
    Need to get the atlas out methinks.
    Cheers
    
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    August 9, 2019 10:31am
  - namron
    
    I think I read that there are 91 cities in the World that have more people than NZ!
    
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    August 9, 2019 3:15pm
- Albert_Ross
  
  Please give one example – just one – of anybody – anybody at all – claiming that we’re going to solve global warming all by ourselves.
  
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  August 9, 2019 12:08pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Has Labour apologised to Simon Bridges over the big fuss they made about “hacking” the Budget?

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/396218/gabriel-makhlouf-admits-he-could-have-handled-budget-leak-better

Has Grant Robertson checked whether Treasury has secure procedures?
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August 9, 2019 8:22am
- stephieboy
  
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  MW, apologise? Why should they?
  
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  August 9, 2019 9:00am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Why stephie? Because they accused him of criminal behaviour, that’s why? We know now there was NO hack; even the former Treasury Secretary now admits that.
    
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    August 9, 2019 9:31am
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    I know this may be a challenging concept, but its what rational people do when something said in the heat of the moment is later shown to be based on a faulty supposition.
    
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    August 9, 2019 9:38am
  - Swifty
    
    Snooze button alert!
    
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    August 9, 2019 9:43am
- Tony Stuart
  
  “Labour apologised” is pretty much the ultimate oxymoron.
  
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  August 9, 2019 9:12am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    In their (and their supporters ) minds, there is no need…..because…
    THEY are never wrong.
    Even when they are “incorrect” they are NEVER wrong.
    
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    August 9, 2019 10:20am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      They always used to say about the Welsh rugby team that you never beat Wales, you just score more points than they do.
      
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      August 9, 2019 2:43pm
- Nermal
  
  Labour can’t apologise. It would be a dangerous precedent. They’d have to do it all the time
  
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  August 9, 2019 5:31pm
  - Pheobe
    
    David Cunliffe did apologise for being a man.
    
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    August 9, 2019 6:38pm
secondcumming

*Professor Anne-Marie Brady*, China Specialist at the University of Christchurch, writes in the SMH……

‘Xi has revived many Maoist tactics…..national security is a matter of concern for every citizen…..our governments need to speak frankly about the risk’

https://twitter.com/smh/status/1159385879301021696
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August 9, 2019 8:22am
- Jack5
  
  China’s Auckland consulate has issued a “stern warning” to New Zealand against turning Hong Kong “into a pawn to curb China”.
  
  The Consul, Ruan Ping, issued a statement in response to MP Seymour’s demanding an explanation form the consulate for praising what it called the “spontaneous patriotism” of students in a scuffle at the University of Auckland during a Hong Kong democracy protest.
  
  Seymour said this appeared to be interfering in NZ’s internal affairs.
  
  Ruan said of the protesters in Hong Kong: “We cannot wake up those who pretend to be asleep as they deliberately provoke confrontation, maliciously spread rumours, mislead the public and commit violence.
  
  “Their actions have gone beyond peaceful demonstrations…they confuse the public, cause panic and disrupt the social order.”
  
  Consul warns NZ:
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12256978
  
  Meanwhile in another Western country, students from China are ripping up protest notices about the protesters in Hong Kong:
  
  https://www.scmp.com/news/china/politics/article/3021275/canada-university-blasts-bullying-and-will-set-mobile-lennon
  
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  August 9, 2019 10:20am
  - The King
    
    China can just fuck right off, filthy, dirty communists.
    
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    August 9, 2019 10:54am
  - Jack5
    
    The King is rabid and off the mark when he calls communists “filthy and dirty”, but they can be pretty frozen in their beliefs.
    
    The level of Marxist belief varies. You can read some middle-of-the-road stuff in the South China Morning Post, now owned by Jack Ma, China’s richest man, who is also a member of the Chinese Communist Party.
    
    In yesterday’s General Debate, poster Kowtow attacked the credibility of a South China Morning Post columnist, Alex Lo, who wrote that the Hong Kong police had been given carte blanche to suppress the protesters.
    
    “Wild guesses” was the term used by Kowtow.
    
    Lo’s view is probably supported by news today that a tough former deputy chief of the Hong Kong police, Alan Lau, has been brought out of retirement for six months to “oversee public order events”.
    
    https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/law-and-crime/article/3022018/senior-hong-kong-policeman-comes-out-retirement-lead
    
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    August 9, 2019 11:24am
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… HONG KONG …

Beijing summons 300 Hong Kong leaders as lawyers back protesters | World | The Times

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/china-rallies-hong-kong-leaders-as-lawyers-walk-out-2lc620zxh

Hong Kong demonstrators use laser pointers in anti-government protest – BBC News

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-asia-49280030/hong-kong-demonstrators-use-laser-pointers-in-anti-government-protest

Hong Kong student leader arrested over laser pointers freed, as protesters challenge police over safety of tear gas, rubber bullets | Hong Kong Free Press HKFP

https://www.hongkongfp.com/2019/08/08/hong-kong-student-leader-arrested-laser-pointers-freed-protesters-challenge-police-safety-tear-gas-rubber-bullets/
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August 9, 2019 8:28am
lastmanstanding

On the matter of the OCR and the RBNZ. IMHO the RB and indeed all the Central Banks have got it wrong.
They continue to lower interest rates but still havent found a solution. The old saying goes when you keep trying something that isnt working you are bound to fail.

Again IMHO the optimum policy setting are as follows;

1. Inflation 2% to 3%.
2. Deposit rates 4% to 5%.
3. Borrowing rates 5% to 6%.

This will result in;

1. Inflation at a low but contained level.
2. Savers getting a reasonable return.
3. Banks getting a reasonable margin.
4. Borrowers paying a reasonable premium.

The race to the bottom will mean the lower rates go the faster and higher they will rebound.

For that reason as one who has no borrowing but modest assets as the rates go lower Im moving more into cash on the basis that the short term pain of low or minus returns will be more than out weighed when others sadly have to sell assets in order to meet their banks call on them.

As a capitalist and in the markets since my early 20s it pains me to have seen it all before and know the inevitable outcome.
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August 9, 2019 8:32am
- igm
  
  You so correct in this analysis. Banks need depositors to loan, yet this stupid bloody woofter Orr seems to think people will get pissed off and invest savings . . . just transfer them offshore, it is no big problem.
  
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  August 9, 2019 8:41am
  - kowtow
    
    NZ Feral behind a pay wall > Orr has blunt message for savers , put your money elsewhere.
    
    I see , we now have a Central Banker who doesn’t want commercial banks to be able to lend money to other punters based on their own deposits , he doesn’t want a stable NZ banking system where banks hold healthy deposits in order to keep up their own liquidity rates , he wants savers to take risks in the markets which are very volatile , esp when we’re at the top or near historic highs , and with all the trade tensions going on ……
    
    I think the guy’s a nutter.
    
    ” Mr Orr has been mulling over the place of New Zealand’s central bank in the country’s financial ecosystem for some time and wants to tell its story in a more holistic way. He sees the bank as Tane-mahuta, the tall, strong tree that separates Rangi-nui and Papa-tua-nuku, with the strong roots of its balance sheet and legislation giving it operational independence and with the money that it creates represented in the pure sap that flows through the tree. The big branches are the banks it supports with its sap.”
    
    https://www.odt.co.nz/business/new-reserve-bank-head-wants-greater-diversity
    
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    August 9, 2019 10:58am
    - Ruahine
      
      Tane Mahuta, the tree, is actually quite hollow.
      
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      August 9, 2019 11:11am
    - Tall Man
      
      There is definitely a sap in there somewhere……
      
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      August 9, 2019 1:44pm
    - dave_c_
      
      No – He’s not a nutter – rather someone who has sold his soul to those directing traffic.
      
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      August 9, 2019 5:36pm
- Ford Prefect
  
  I was listening to an economist yesterday who said its important to have the OCR at a comparable rate to overseas rates otherwise there will be a flood of overseas money buying NZ dollars which artificially strengthens our dollar. This in turn hurts our exporters.
  
  Its an interesting theory
  
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  August 9, 2019 8:45am
- KevO'Brien
  
  The Central banks have been printing money and done far too much of it. They have inflated asset prices beyond reason. Their friends have become barons unjustly enriched and the USA needs it for war financing. By letting their corporates loose as global “citizens” they reduced their ability drastically to tax them so leaving a deficit between hopes and reality.
  
  The rates above are reasonable in a reasonable world. My concern is that this abnormal state cannot continue forever. It’s a game at our expense. The notion that savers should not be rewarded is ludicrous. People do have an innate sense of value. Price is separate. NZ is not independent of the rest of the world–trade locks us in.
  
  Too much uncertainty is afoot at present. These next few months may be historic in the adjustments to come. The necessary adjustments possibly deferred and the international spat between Trump and the Rest of The World out of his control. China is now declining to buy US agricultural produce and rare earths possibiy withheld too. If the USA is involved in stirring up trouble in Hong Kong expect further economic repercussions. It may not be a shooting war but slow strangulation.
  
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  August 9, 2019 9:29am
Yvette

Bennett said she was told the complainants, some of whom worked in the Beehive and in the Prime Minister’s office, were feeling unsafe.

“They’ve have been told to keep quiet about what’s going on, that it should be kept as an internal process, advised not to go to the police.”

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern confirmed on Tuesday that the party conducted an internal investigation into the complaints, but that process was now being reviewed independently following further complaints.
She added that anyone with complaints “of that nature” should go to the police. [1]

Since Prime Minister Ardern, Labour Party officials, Parliament’s Speaker Mallard and Paula Bennett are all aware of complaints, at least one of them – or perhaps, more obviously, the complainants themselves – should advise the Police.
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Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said … “I absolutely think that this is a workplace where we need to make improvements.
“We need to treat one another with dignity and respect.”

The recommendations in the report [Debbie Francis’s review of Parliament’s culture] will be broad: no more sweeping things under the carpet, which has been a hallmark of Parliament through non-disclosure agreements and secret pay-outs. [2]

[1] https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12256846
[2] https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12232970
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August 9, 2019 8:37am
Right of way is Way of Right

John Key pulled a ponytail, and the MSM went ballistic.

At least a dozen complaints of sexual harassment in the Beehive, including the PM’s office, and the response appears to be tumbleweeds.

If the media moguls really want to know why newspapers are dying, this situation might be a really good place to start looking.

What I wouldn’t give for a serious investigative journalist in this country right now, but sadly it’s all about the spin, not the facts!

I despise what passes for the main stream media in this country, they’re a bunch of duplicitous writers of barely concealed propaganda.

(I’d call them what I’d really like to call them, but it would never get past the Mods!)
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August 9, 2019 8:40am
- Sofia
  
  An aside, but also a little further perspective is also perhaps added to the “pony-tail pulling”, when it is realised it took 174 days before the woman involved actually told John Key directly that she did not appreciate what he was doing.
  
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  August 9, 2019 9:36am
  - MickMac
    
    Sofia
    Look at the power imbalance.
    Man, Prime Minister, surrounded by Police and Hangers on.
    
    err……
    
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    August 9, 2019 10:35am
Maggie Pie

Jackie T tweets special message to bestie Matty 🙂

https://twitter.com/jacktame/status/1159366270627639297
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August 9, 2019 8:48am
- Tall Man
  
  Makes you sick…… Wankers the lot of them.
  
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  August 9, 2019 1:42pm
secondcumming

Will we see something similar in this country?

https://twitter.com/smh/status/1159476439051145217
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August 9, 2019 8:58am
- Jack5
  
  Or, are our politicians too woven into China’s web of influence?
  
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  August 9, 2019 10:21am
the deity formerly known as nigel6888

The most interesting question that no-one seems to have asked this week, is “Who in the Prime Ministers Office has so much Juice that they are untouchable?”

I can only think of a couple of names – reading between the lines of course – that would have that much power.

Weird eh? I have never worked in an environment where a bully demanding sexual favours for promotion doesn’t get swiftly and brutally exited. Here we seem to have a cover-up, instructions to say nothing, statements that sexual assault and workplace bullying are “internal party matters”, and finally instructions to the victims not to go to certain places in order to avoid the individual.

Curioser and curioser. The Press Gallery will all know, so why are they closing ranks too.

As I said, that is a lot of Juice.
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August 9, 2019 9:01am
- MrTips
  
  Why do you think Mike Jaspers legged it? That boy saw this coming down the pyke ages ago.
  
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  August 9, 2019 9:23am
- herb1
  
  what I’m interested in is Arderns claim that a person working in her office isn’t her employee or Parliamentary services.
  How can someone with no legal obligations to Parliament or the Government have access to all the secrets and goings on of the state
  
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  August 9, 2019 9:59am
  - sooty
    
    An enbeded press reporter?
    
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    August 9, 2019 1:31pm
  - freethinker
    
    just follow the white lines.
    
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    August 9, 2019 3:14pm
Rich Prick

Jesus, I can’t describe what I just saw. Angry mob after some poor guy down the street. I’m going indoors and locking up.
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August 9, 2019 9:21am
- stephieboy
  
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  “..exploring these shitholes” ???
  
  Which ones?
  
  ” I’m going indoors and locking up.”
  
  Which NZ address?
  
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  August 9, 2019 9:29am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Dominion Road
    
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    August 9, 2019 9:36am
    - Swifty
      
      Yes, that area around Tai Ping is a real shithole.
      
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      August 9, 2019 9:54am
Yvette

Public ‘more competent than MPs’ to vote on abortion – Winston Peters

Seeing how Winston has conducted himself regarding any referendum on this matter – self-aggrandizing and obfusticating as ever –
we are obviously more competent.

Consider too his 11th hour actions regarding the Three Strikes bill and see “two wrongs do make him right”.
QED
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August 9, 2019 9:23am
Happychappy

What is it that the PM and Labour can’t understand about Sexual Assault and if it is alright now for them to take the side of a person obviously with some respect or ill judgement from the Prime Minister to have this hidden would it be alright if it happens to a Labour MP’s family member. It sickens me to think of the times this has happened in Labour and the innocent have become the victims of the Media, public and those that play the blame game.Three instances come to mind and they all involve the Labour Party with there arrogance in trying to covering them up. Darren Hughes chasing a naked young lad running away from a ex Labour MP with other intentions no charges arose, Young Labour Summer Camp Sexual assault on four people again Labour choose to try to silence all involved with the court case due in September after over a year of waiting to be heard, So now we have cover up of a person believed to be working for our Prime Minister who has lied her arse off trying to cover this sexual assault where over twelve people have complained and four that have canceled Labour Party membership for the way it has been handled with those that have complained brushed away like a piece of crap. I think it is time for Labour and those that have perpetrated these offenses whether the assault for the covering up to have compulsory tutoring on the facts of the meaning of what constitutes “Sexual Assaults ” rather do not seem to learn from previous happenings.
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August 9, 2019 9:28am
- Sofia
  
  … And I for one will never celebrate the gains we have made for women domestically, while internationally other women and girls experience a lack of the most basic of opportunity and dignity.
  Me Too must become We Too.
  – Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern, debut speech to the United Nations General Assembly
  
  … while, apparently, women working in my office experience a lack of the most basic safety and dignity?
  
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  August 9, 2019 10:01am
  - Tall Man
    
    Over there…. not here.
    
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    August 9, 2019 10:25am
  - septic skeptic
    
    “Me too must become we too”. By far my favourite Cindy quote. Sounds kinda OK until you try to work out what she meant. I’m sure she wrote that line herself!
    
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    August 9, 2019 11:45am
Maggie Pie

Oral Questions
starts @25 sec – looks like a case of ‘Bellamy’s Belly’ 🙂

https://vimeo.com/352620863
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August 9, 2019 9:46am
- Tall Man
  
  Free food will do that 😉
  
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  August 9, 2019 10:25am
rightoverlabour

Tarrant killed 51 in Christchurch in one day. There was rightly, huge outrage and condemnation.

NZ stats indicate that about 35 Abortions happen every day. Most of our representatives want to make this process easier. No outrage, no condemnation.
So its wrong to shoot 51 people, but its OK to kill 12,823.

What I want from the pro abortion lobby is the succint and logical argument that absolutly explains when a fetus gains the status that Tarrant’s victims had. In other words the status of being worthy of not being killed. When does a fetus become a human?
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August 9, 2019 9:49am
- The King
  
  For every 12 thousand dead NZ babies the government can import 12 thousand immigrants, it’s basic math.
  
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  August 9, 2019 10:16am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    12 thousand potential Labour voters – same as the Democrats
    
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    August 9, 2019 11:11am
- Komata
  
  ROL@0949
  
  Re: ‘When does a fetus become a human?’
  
  Until recently, the supporters of such murder would have said that until the ‘thing’ is born, then ‘magically’ it becomes a ‘Human’.
  
  Recent events in New York indicate however that even AFTER said ‘Thing’ has emerged into the world it is no longer a ‘Human’ and can still be ‘aborted’ (although they will never call it ‘Murder’).
  
  The odd (and very said) thing is that the greatest and most vocal advocates for such actions are female.
  
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  August 9, 2019 10:27am
- freethinker
  
  As this coalition of clowns has set the precedent that Guns are dangerous because they kill people, well fast cars do the same so with a speed limit of 100/110 Kmh I suggest that all cars capable of exceeding this limit be made illegal and confiscated with the same method of compensation applied as Guns.
  
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  August 9, 2019 3:38pm
Straight arrow

Yesterday Maggy posted a comment in GD about criticism of the Royal Commission into the Christchurch Attacks.

The terms of reference for the inquiry are fairly clear: what did government agencies knew and did prior to the attack, what did the accused did prior to the attack, and what can be done to prevent further such attacks. I note that the terms, while a response based on the Christchurch attacks, are NOT Muslim specific. The terms also rule out agencies responses to the attack.

However, The Government expects that the inquiry will consult with the Muslim community whenever it needs to do so in order to discharge its responsibilities. The Commission created a Muslim Community Reference Group, with the following criteria: gender, ethnicity, age, religious diversity, and geography – [not that the shooter had these criteria]. This set up an unrealistic expectation that the Commission would hear about wider Muslim concerns about their {perceived) treatment within society, I believe, and the basis of their complaints. They happened to be the target this time, but perhaps not next time.

Contrary to Human Rights Commissioner Paul Hunt, the Commission is NOT a judicial body charged with providing justice (“justice was not only done, but seen to be done” he is quoted as saying).

The Commission is not about protecting future attacks on Muslims (alone), nor is it a forum for feelings. It is not a judicial body to provide justice. It is to get to the truth (even if this involves confidentiality and secrecy) about what government agencies did, and to provide recommendations that help prevent future attacks on any of us: Jews, Muslims, Pakeha, Maori, or any target.
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August 9, 2019 9:50am
- The King
  
  A commission full of biased Diversity Supremacists I’m sure they will get to the bottom of it..(doubt)
  
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  August 9, 2019 10:18am
  - Jack5
    
    Some core Leftists have joined the call for more say for Muslims in the commission.
    
    The new Human Rights Commissioner, Paul Hunt, is one. He has also said that because of the massacres the commission’s target of restrictions on free speech in NZ are “back on the table”.
    
    Hunt stood for the National Policy Forum of Britain’s Labour Party as a pro-Corbyn socialist in mid-2018, just before becoming the Chief Human Rights Commissioner.
    
    You can read a transcript at this link of Radio NZ’s Kim Hill grilling Hunt on Corbyn’s racism:
    
    https://shalom.kiwi/2019/04/why-wont-nzs-anti-racism-chief-condemn-corbyns-racism/
    
    Here’s former Corbynist ally Hunt on the mosques massacre commission:
    
    http://community.scoop.co.nz/2019/07/call-for-more-inclusion-of-muslims-in-mosque-attack-inquiry/
    
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    August 9, 2019 10:48am
    - The King
      
      To be fair i don’t buy into the “Corbyns racism” shtick because its an engineered hit job by the very people you link. (Shalom) I know how these people operate.
      
      I don’t have a problem with it however, jews have every right to want to protect their homeland, that’s a healthy thing, i just get real itchy when they promote open borders for everyone else but thee. Hypocrisy is one of my pet peevs.
      
      There’s plenty of other reasons to not like Corbyn, Communism,Diversity Supremacy, stupid socialist policy’s etc etc.
      
      Human rights to me is a fallacy, Who is it that grants these ‘rights’? From where comes the permission? Whom is the giver? Oh look its Peter Hunt the toxic Diversity Supremacist defining to me what is “Human Rights” cool man…
      
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      August 9, 2019 11:45am
  - Straight arrow
    
    I don’t think that is true, The King. I have no evidence to suggest the Commissioners, who seem to be respected, will not do a good job. I suspect that the setting up, and membership criteria, of the Muslim Community Reference Group maybe an attempt to minimise a judicial review on lack of consultation grounds and representative grounds.
    Critics may want to use group for own agenda. I repeat, the Commission’s recommendations are NOT about Muslim attacks specifically.
    
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    August 9, 2019 11:04am
    - The King
      
      Here’s the problem ill define it more, these people are in a commission to find out the root cause of what caused the tragedy, due to taboos on race,ethnicity,religion they are already on course to never address anything. All the report is going to say is.. “White Supremacy is bad” and that’s it, it won’t even define what actually is “White Supremacy” because they have no idea what it is.
      
      How about addressing the effect of having a religious sect such as Islam living in the community with the rest of the community? .. it wouldn’t happen because they are restricted to their bias.
      
      If a Muslim attack happened would they set up a “Community reference group” for everyone else but Muslims? Of course not.
      
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      August 9, 2019 11:56am
      - MH
        
        I hope the report won’t be made public until all those almost 200 Christchurch victims of a nasty little gutless wonder who accepted the Saudi’s offer of a free trip to the Haj have returned. Jamal Khashoggi’s butchering seems to have been conveniently forgotten by those who claim to be “one of us”.
        
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        August 9, 2019 1:19pm
- Sacha
  
  I wonder if it will consider ‘Orders in Council’, approved by the PM?
  
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  August 9, 2019 10:53am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  One of the reasons I posted a link to that article (written by Eleanor Roy) is because it is in the Guardian
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/08/christchurch-shootings-real-issues-not-being-heard-by-inquiry-critics-say
  
  I was unaware that Journalists are blocked from knowing what is going on in the hearings
  
  New Zealand journalists have also raised concerns that the government will not adequately be held to account as media are not able to attend hearings, view or read interviews or transcripts or cite evidence and submissions.
  
  That’s something I haven’t seen reported widely by the NZ media.
  
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  August 9, 2019 12:01pm
  - Straight arrow
    
    Normally I would want commissions to be open. However, including media would encourage grandstanding by some irrelevant to the terms of the inquiry (eg racism, Islamophobia, white supremacy etc), covering their backsides by government officials, gaps in security to be exploited before being addressed, selective reporting (taking submissions out of context etc).
    
    It is far too important that politics is taken out so that the Commission can find out the facts and we can all have a safer society.
    
    There will be public sessions at some point, according to Commission. And of course they will report back in December, no doubt with a very large and detailed report, including sharing pertinent evidence presented.
    
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    August 9, 2019 1:16pm
    - Jack5
      
      Do you really think the Commission can lead to a safer society?
      
      NZ has already banned assault rifles, and in Christchurch at least police are armed. I’m not sure what more it can recommend that won’t infringe our traditional rights to freedom of speech.
      
      A commission closed from scrutiny will likely be a Star Chamber of the politically correct, Leftist elite.
      
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      August 9, 2019 2:39pm
      - Straight arrow
        
        Maybe. It may find that several agencies were aware of either accused, gun club issues, or other data, that individually meant very little, but collectively should of raised a flag. That is what they are trying to find out. The Commission is also there to identify gaps and suggest solutions.
        
        The terms of the inquiry are quite narrow, and relate to government agencies actions prior to attacks, and to prevent attacks, rather than the underlying reasons for such attacks. It is not there to examine motivations and how to combat extremist views, although it will touch on this as background I would imagine. If National or ACT had concerns about the integrity of the commissioners, I think we would of heard by now.
        
        To have not recognised the Muslim community at all during the inquiry would of looked incredibly insensitive. Having said that, I think they have gone a bit overboard. That does not preclude other individuals and groups from making submissions.
        
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        August 9, 2019 5:50pm
Ross12

Why are all the “experts” dancing on a pin head to try to excuse the mother of this child ?
Why is the mother not in Court facing charges?

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/breastfeed-warning-after-baby-dies-alcohol-blood
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August 9, 2019 10:07am
- kowtow
  
  A homeless mother of six but can consume 18 bourbon and colas in a day.
  
  New Zealand has severe social problems but our media and “influencers” obsess daily over the Evil Nappy Wearing Baby in the White House and all the associated evils he causes , including past slavery, warming the planet and being friendly with Russians.
  
  Tempted to think they are playing the politics of distraction…….
  
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  August 9, 2019 11:09am
- DigNap15
  
  Because shes probably one of our special people?
  
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  August 9, 2019 12:48pm
Jack5

Can you splash out on your credit card until you die then expect the bank to write off the debt?

Is this is what is suggested in Stuff today by Rob Stock, in his crusade against our trading banks?

The headline in Stuff, which is the leading ally of the Reserve Bank and the Labour Coalition Government in the stand-off with the trading banks, reads: “Debt collector called in to pursue dead man for credit card debt.”

Stock writes:

A dead man I knew was recently pursued by a debt collector for unpaid credit card debt.

It was a bit bizarre as the bank that issued the card had been told he was no longer among the living, and the estate had no money.

So, in our final days, are we morally and legally entitled to a blow out on borrowed funds without the lenders having the right to reclaim the money?

The Stock article:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/114782468/debt-collector-called-in-to-pursue-dead-man-for-credit-card-debt
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August 9, 2019 10:34am
- Tall Man
  
  Of course….. The problem is knowing “which” month to spend up large in…..
  
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  August 9, 2019 10:45am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  Morally, of course not. Legally, it would be difficult to prevent. Who are you suggesting the bank should have the right to reclaim the money from?
  
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  August 9, 2019 11:49am
  - Poppa
    
    The estate should have to pay
    
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    August 9, 2019 1:43pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  The debt would be personal to the deceased unless the card issuer had someone else as security. That could be by way of a mortgage or guarantee. Banks are very astute at tying up their customers. Whenever one puts a signature on a bank document one may be giving them rights in relation to any other dealings one has had or might have–expect one has been hog tied.
  
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  August 9, 2019 1:07pm
MCos

I’m currently in Bangkok.
Yesterday we were out doing stuff, came home and turned on the TV.
The news was on and it’s no holds barred what they’ll show when it comes to violence, I’ll tell you.
One item, which was repeated several times, was a taxi driver put out a gun and shoot at the car in the adjacent lane over some perceived slight.
Next we’re shown cctv footage in hi-def of a car slowly pulling into a small street or driveway and running over a wee toddler.
Dead.
You know it’s dead because they fuzzed out the body on the picture. If it was alive they wouldn’t.
This is gruesome stuff, the like of which I’ve never seen on NZ TV.
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August 9, 2019 10:39am
- rightoverlabour
  
  In South Africa in the 1980s we regularly saw footage of people being necklaced, shot, stoned, there was no blurring of body parts in bombings.. However, I don’t watch graphic stuff any more, one can have enough for a life time…..
  
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  August 9, 2019 12:30pm
- Tall Man
  
  Off button.
  
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  August 9, 2019 1:38pm
Justitia

“Who wrote ‘Our lifestyle is destroying the environment of our country … creating a massive burden for future generations. Corporations are heading the destruction of our environment by shamelessly over-harvesting resources … the next logical step is to decrease the number of people in America using resources. If we can get rid of enough people, then our way of life can become more sustainable’? The answer, if media reports are accurate, is Patrick Crusius, the man accused of the El Paso massacre. The words appeared in his testament, entitled (in homage to Al Gore?) The Inconvenient Truth, which he seems to have put online before decreasing the number of people in America by 22. Who said, on Twitter, ‘I want socialism, and I’ll not wait for the idiots to finally come round to understanding’? Connor Betts, the man accused of shooting nine people, including his sister, in Dayton, Ohio. This week’s reporting of the two atrocities has painted Crusius as a white supremacist. This does not seem to be accurate. In his manifesto, he is against ethnic mingling and mass immigration, but his view that immigrants should be killed is based not on racial superiority theory, but on his sense that too many people pollute the environment of America.”: from today’s Spectator Magazine digital edition. So tell me, why was the Christchurch shooter’s manifesto banned again? Are we really dealing with “white supremacy” here? Or are we confronting a new phenomenon of murderous environmental extremists of the socialist variety?
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August 9, 2019 11:20am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Yep,
  The MSM has taken a very simplified approach to these recent massacres.
  
  I’ll be interested in reading “Fascists Among Us: Online Hate and the Christchurch massacre”
  when it becomes available.
  
  “https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/aug/05/what-induces-men-to-imitate-the-christchurch-massacre
  
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  August 9, 2019 1:29pm
- Straight arrow
  
  Weird bureaucracy:
  The manifesto is banned in NZ by the Chief Censor. His decision explaining the reason is publicly available on the Classification Office’s website (in fact the site helps you find it) and includes objectionable material from the manifesto.
  
  They do have a copyright notice on the decision document:
  Copyright Office of Film and Literature classification. This document may not be reproduced in whole or in part by any means in any form without written permission except for brief quotations embodied in articles, reports or
  reviews.
  Fairly sure you cannot quote the objectionable material.
  OIA overides the copyright notice I suspect.
  
  So, Justitia, we have a strange situation where we can legally view objectionable parts of the manifesto, but not any of the non-objectionable (well, not in a legal sense) parts.
  
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  August 9, 2019 1:33pm
  - Batman
    
    No the OIA won’t overrule the ruling.
    
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    August 9, 2019 1:35pm
    - Straight arrow
      
      I was referring to the decision, not the manifesto.
      
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      August 9, 2019 1:41pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Yep, the interesting thing is that the Chch manifesto is not banned overseas…
    Hence overseas folks can study the nasty phenomenon of recent terrorism in some holistic manner.
    
    We cant.
    
    https://scribepublications.com.au/books-authors/books/person-x-and-the-fascists-among-us
    
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    August 9, 2019 2:18pm
    - rightoverlabour
      
      unless you use a vpn and geoblockering bypass like HOLA. Then they think you are overseas reading it….
      
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      August 9, 2019 3:03pm
      - Straight arrow
        
        But you cannot discuss it in a meaningful way with others online in NZ. I think that is part of what Maggy is getting at. You cannot quote something that contradicts what the MSM say. Obviously, I cannot give you examples, just guessing…
        
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        August 9, 2019 4:01pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Read bits of it while overseas earlier this year.
        
        Based on what I saw he would fit in with the non male green mps in intellect and sentiment…. Dumb is the word you’re looking for.
        
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        August 9, 2019 4:41pm
  - The King
    
    You can read the manifesto all you like, this is a common mistake, you’re just not allowed to distribute it.
    
    New Zealand cannot ban anyone from reading anything.
    
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    August 9, 2019 5:08pm
    - Straight arrow
      
      Films, Videos, and Publications Classification Act 1993
      
      131 Offence to possess objectionable publication
      (1)
      Every person commits an offence against this Act who, without lawful authority or excuse, has in that person’s possession an objectionable publication.
      
      Includes electronic files.
      
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      August 9, 2019 6:02pm
Ruahine

T.V. in NZ job is to tell you what to think because Umm, this is what we know so this is all you need to know.
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August 9, 2019 11:20am
Maggie Pie

Sounds like Justin Lester is positioning himself for a top place on the list
when Shaun wops his ass 🙂

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBe8Qf1U8AAyUxv?format=jpg&name=medium
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August 9, 2019 11:21am
- Tall Man
  
  Can’t you downvote the wanker?
  
  24 likes… I can’t believe there are that many fuckwits out there.
  
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  August 9, 2019 1:36pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    The ‘likes’ are mainly from frieds and family –
    those that actually comment usually do the job 🙂
    
    https://twitter.com/justin_lester/status/1159401720583114752
    
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    August 9, 2019 3:06pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Six comments…. shows where he really is in the big wide world……. nowhere.
      
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      August 9, 2019 4:39pm
Ross12

In relation to the abortion bill debate, Amy Adams presumably arguing against Peter’s call for a referendum came out with this:
“Adams told RNZ that “if we learned anything from Brexit, it’s that referenda can be very bad ways to make complex, complicated decisions”.

What an elitist snob she is, if that is what she thinks –thank goodness she never made it to be leader of the National Party and also that she is leaving Parliament.
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August 9, 2019 11:37am
- septic skeptic
  
  Important issues seldom suit a binary question.
  Politicians and the courts don’t implement the result of these referenda anyway if they don’t like the result.
  The most popularly held view is sometimes wrong.
  Half of all voters are below average intelligence.
  
  We are here to defend democracy, not to practice it!
  
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  August 9, 2019 12:03pm
  - cmm
    
    Oh dear Amy, I was always one of your biggest fans…
    
    To believe what she says, you have to believe that every MP is brighter than Joe Average. Sorry – no sale!
    
    That is true to an extent. Unfortunately parliamentary debating looks more like a sandpit full of kids fighting over the yellow truck rather than an effort to explore and understand issues in detail.
    
    On a matter like abortion, so hot that it is a conscience vote, the MPs should be gathering all that “complicated stuff” and make it accessible to everyone so that they can make an informed decision.
    
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    August 9, 2019 1:13pm
- kowtow
  
  They don’t get it do they ?
  
  But this is why the legacy lame stream media , influencers , pollies etc must attack “populism” , because genuine democracy and the concerns of thinking voters are a big threat to them and the comfortable way of life that they have become accustomed to , on the back of the productive classes.
  
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  August 9, 2019 1:14pm
- The Feed
  
  Yeah, Adams.
  
  And what I see of NZ Parliament is that I would rather trust many of my fellow citizens to consider complex, complicated questions than most of our so-called “representatives”.
  
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  August 9, 2019 2:01pm
- freethinker
  
  MPs are representative so should represent the majority views of their electors. The Brexit question was simple leave or stay and the answer was leave by majority so the job of MPs was to arrange an exit but they disagreed with the result and lied to electors in a General Election saying they would exit then did everything to prevent an exit. In doing so they demonstrated that they actually represented their own view and like minded others ensuring that the clamour for Binding referenda will increase as Trust in the Political class diminishes to the point of being non existent.Anarchy will follow.
  
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  August 9, 2019 3:52pm
Maggie Pie

My partner reckons these guys make Andrew Dickens sound like Howard Stern!
I mean, have you ever heard more spew inducing condescending candy-asses than the pair that have taken over the mic on ZB’s noon to 4 slot?
I only ever tune in for a few minutes at lunch time to hear wot HDPA’s hubby has to say – then it’s straight back to Magic.
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August 9, 2019 12:41pm
- alloytoo
  
  I reckon your primary squeeze is on the money as usual.
  
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  August 9, 2019 6:48pm
DigNap15

Only 60 weeks to the elections.
Could be much less!
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August 9, 2019 12:51pm
Fletch

In today’s Herald they’ve reprinted an article from the Washington Post around the subject of alternative power sources.

Filmmaker Michael Moore’s producer Jeff Gibbs took a deep dive look at alternative fuels and power sources and finds out that not is all as it seems.

What if alternative energy isn’t all it’s cracked up to be? That’s the provocative question explored in the documentary Planet of the Humans, which is backed and promoted by filmmaker Michael Moore and directed by one of his longtime collaborators.

Director Jeff Gibbs takes on electric cars, solar panels, windmills, biomass, biofuel, leading environmentalist groups like the Sierra Club, and even figures from Al Gore and Van Jones, who served as Barack Obama’s special adviser for green jobs, to 350.org leader Bill McKibben, a leading environmentalist and advocate for grassroots climate change movements.

Gibbs, who produced Moore’s Bowling for Columbine and Fahrenheit 9/11, didn’t set out to take on the environmental movement. He said he wanted to know why things weren’t getting better.

But when he started pulling on the thread, he and Moore said they were shocked to find how inextricably entangled alternative energy is with coal and natural gas, since they say everything from wind turbines to electric car charging stations are tethered to the grid, and even how the Koch brothers are tied to solar panel production through their glass production business.

“It turned out the wakeup call was about our own side,” Gibbs said in a phone interview. “It was kind of crushing to discover that the things I believed in weren’t real, first of all, and then to discover not only are the solar panels and wind turbines not going to save us … but (also) that there is this whole dark side of the corporate money … It dawned on me that these technologies were just another profit center.”

Both know the film is going to be a “tough pill to swallow.” It was a difficult eye-opener for them as well.

“We all want to feel good about something like the electric car, but in the back of your head somewhere you’ve thought, ‘Yeah, but where is the electricity coming from? And it’s like, ‘I don’t want to think about that, I’m glad we have electric cars,'” Moore said.

“I’ve passed by the windmill farms, and oh it’s so beautiful to see them going, and don’t tell me that we’ve gone too far now and it isn’t going to save us … Well, my feeling is just hit me with everything. I’m like let’s just deal with it now, all at once.”

“I like so many people in the film and I’m one of those people who wanted to believe all of these years that that was the right path,” Moore said. “(But) I refuse to let us die out. I refuse to let this planet die.”

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/environment/news/article.cfm?c_id=39&objectid=12256805

So no.. Green energy is not really viable. We still need fossil fuels or, at least, nuclear power.
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August 9, 2019 1:05pm
- Ross12
  
  You will enjoy this image Fletch
  
  http://joannenova.com.au/2019/08/the-diesel-generator-behind-the-electric-car-charging-point/
  
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  August 9, 2019 1:34pm
cmm

Does anyone else feel a bit skeptical about the death of this baby?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12256816

Of course it is all being blamed on overcrowding – not doubt caused by colonialism and not the woman having over 6 kids.

Let’s dig a bit… The baby had a blood alcohol level over 6 times the legal driving limit. This is supposed to have happened by passing alcohol through breast milk.

The baby had a blood alcohol level of 308 mg per 100ml of blood – or in other words – 3grammes of alcohol per litre.

The mammalian miracle essentially converts the mother’s blood fluids into milk. To manufacture milk that would get a baby 6 times over the limit would, I believe, require the mother to have blood alcohol levels somewhere around that of beer – ie at least 2% or about 40 times over the legal driving limit.

It is my belief that this is many times more than would have been fatal for the mother.

Therefore I struggle to believe that the baby died from alcohol from a drunk mother’s breast milk .

I would love to be proved wrong. Perhaps some biologist could check the numbers.
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August 9, 2019 1:05pm
- Tall Man
  
  Body mass of the child may have some bearing as may the body mass of the mother….
  
  But like you, I struggle to get the connection.
  
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  August 9, 2019 1:33pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It was not unknown amongst folks I grew up with to dose a crying/teething baby with alcohol.
  
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  August 9, 2019 1:42pm
  - Tall Man
    
    My thought exactly. The lack of alcohol in the stomach is a puzzle though…
    
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    August 9, 2019 1:48pm
  - Ross12
    
    Exactly what I was thinking after reading cmm’s comment, Maggy. Which makes this case worse, in my view.
    
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    August 9, 2019 1:49pm
  - cmm
    
    I haven’t done the numbers, but I have a hunch somewhere around 20ml-30ml of spirits would have been required to achieve these results.
    
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    August 9, 2019 1:59pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      The fact that the infant had alcohol in the liver and heart and not in the stomach indicates to me that a large volume had been given at sometime… much more than the liver could readily metabolize.
      
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      August 9, 2019 2:07pm
  - cmm
    
    That “dose” that is often used is to wet your finger with booze. Maybe four of five drops – quarter of a ml or so.
    
    I’m thinking the baby got around 100x that “dose”.
    
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    August 9, 2019 2:35pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    In that case all the Irish should be dead. Its long been known that drinking Guiness is good for producing Breast Milk. Something suspicious here.
    
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    August 9, 2019 3:00pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      For the guys too!!
      Sorry, you left that wide open, and I just had a Guiness immatation
      
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      August 9, 2019 5:41pm
  - Nermal
    
    One place I lived they blew marijuana smoke
    
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    August 9, 2019 5:40pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  In general, less than 2 percent of the alcohol dose consumed by the mother reaches her milk and blood. Alcohol is not stored in breast milk,
  
  Because alcohol is excreted only to a limited extent in breast milk, many clinicians consider occasional exposure insignificant except in rare cases of intoxication in which the mother of a breast-feeding infant drinks heavily or in which a child is inadvertently fed large amounts of alcohol in a bottle.
  
  https://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/arh25-3/230-234.htm
  
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  August 9, 2019 4:25pm
MH

in her state probably supplied the bottle direct. Manslaughter at the very least. Diminished responsibility. Case closed.
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August 9, 2019 1:24pm
stoptheboats

‘Climate change protesters have locked themselves to the railway tracks in east Christchuch to stop a West Coast coal train from reaching Lyttelton Port.’

why are cops so soft – arrest the loony lot and let those trains through
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August 9, 2019 1:29pm
- cmm
  
  It is a criminal offense to walk along railway tracks – let alone sit on them.
  
  But they are “protesters” so laws like trespass, sabotage etc seem to not apply.
  
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  August 9, 2019 1:50pm
  - kowtow
    
    If they don’t charge ’em , the companies involved should hit them with bills for the civil costs involved.
    
    Delayed trains , shipments, sailings , health and safety issues , extra staff costs and time …….
    
    Once that message got through to the comfortable middle class Mummies and Daddies who carry the cost for these non productive drongos , there’d be very few of em willing to become martyrs to the cause.
    
    But that won’t happen.
    
    And the disruptions will get worse.
    
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    August 9, 2019 2:03pm
Fletch

Bloody idiots. If I were the police, I would have dragged their asses out of there.

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/train-carrying-coal-halted-around-100-climate-protestors-in-christchurch
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August 9, 2019 1:38pm
- Tall Man
  
  Nope, they’re “locked” to the rails…. send a fire truck in to give them a lovely cold shower.
  
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  August 9, 2019 1:50pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Would have accelerated.. Fuck them.
    
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    August 9, 2019 2:58pm
    - Nermal
      
      “What protestors? Where? So sorry, I didn’t see them. Eww, what a mess”
      
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      August 9, 2019 5:41pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  The STUFF artivle states, “Many have taken the day off work to join in the protest”
  As my partner just said, “WTF? Have you seen the photo of the useless pricks” LOL!!
  
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  August 9, 2019 1:53pm
- Kabull
  
  Don’t know where TVNZ gets its numbers – by counting the bodies in the clip, I can only get to around 40 – not the 100 claimed.
  
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  August 9, 2019 3:56pm
Pete George

Quite a different look to http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/
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August 9, 2019 1:48pm
- Tall Man
  
  Gloat elsewhere.
  
  At least he made an impact at some point, what did you ever achieve apart from irritating people?
  
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  August 9, 2019 1:57pm
  - Pete George
    
    Funny. You’re an apologist for someone (with accomplices) who deliberately tried to wreck many people’s lives, for money and seemingly for the hell of it.
    
    If it irritates you for that to be highlighted too bad.
    
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    August 9, 2019 2:36pm
    - Tall Man
      
      I find it really difficult to be affected by inconsequential people, but I won’t even try in your case.
      
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      August 9, 2019 4:26pm
- Rodney Randall
  
  https://thebfd.co.nz/category/blog/
  
  Get with the programme Pete!
  
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  August 9, 2019 2:00pm
- igm
  
  Give it a break, Whaleoil/BFD are popular and successful blogs, something you cannot emulate. Your continual whinging and slanging of Cameron Slater is wearing damn thin in many quarters.
  
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  August 9, 2019 2:16pm
  - Pete George
    
    I see widespread applause for holding to account and justice (of sorts) for major and long term abuse of media power.
    
    What’s in it for Matt? Why would he bother? The toxic stuff once written up here about him is long gone, thanks to Matt’s efforts through the courts. The whaleoil site itself is worth nothing now, but it’s also worth everything.
    
    All those other people, the ones who like Matt were slandered, bullied and humiliated on that blog over all those years — the horrible stories about them are still out there, recurrent reminders of vicious attacks. People like the woman I interviewed who was still too shaky to tell me what had happened but who simply googled herself and silently showed me the result on her phone; people like Scott Poynting, who knows that anyone googling him runs immediately into the whaleoil accusations against him. There are many, many such people.
    
    I’m happy to help speak for such people.
    
    Apologists and supporters of a dirty and toxic era won’t deter that.
    
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    August 9, 2019 2:31pm
- Nookin
  
  Link goes directly to Blomfield.co.nz.
  MB must have acquired the site.
  
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  August 9, 2019 2:24pm
  - Pete George
    
    NZ Herald: Meet the new Whaleoil blogger
    
    Blomfield said his intent was to remove all the content, gifting anonymity to victims of Slater’s campaigns who may have worried the archive of jibes and slurs built over 15 years of blogging would stay forever online.
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12257134
    
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    August 9, 2019 2:50pm
    - record guy
      
      I would to if I was him
      
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      August 9, 2019 3:25pm
      - Pete George
        
        You must know that all your dirty defamatory content was removed years ago. That proved very costly for Slater, didn’t it. Do you even care about what you’ve helped trash? I think you must be a primary cause of the downfall of Whale Oil.
        
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        August 9, 2019 4:04pm
- The King
  
  Ah what a fitting end to Israeloil. Imagine getting owned by a goyim like Matt Blomfeild haha.
  
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  August 9, 2019 5:20pm
- Nermal
  
  A day late and a dollar short.
  Whaleoil had been located at http://www.whaleoil.net.nz for some time
  
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  August 9, 2019 6:04pm
  - Pete George
    
    It may not be over yet.
    
    The whaleoil dot net bot nz URL is still in the hands of the old owners, but Matt hopes that will change in the next few days. He is also investigating what options he has for theBDF dot co dot nz.
    
    https://twitter.com/BarristerNZ/status/1159699647029342208
    
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    August 9, 2019 8:36pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Hahahahaha
      Talk about a pyrrhic victory
      Blomfield can seize what’s he likes
      It’s the viewers which have the power.
      No one will look at Blomfields ranting.
      You’re quite the sad little man George
      Isn’t it time to give up your obsession?
      It’s making a laughing stock of you.
      Actually, keep it up. It’s amusing.
      
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      August 9, 2019 9:22pm
Sacha

I was paying passing attention to the Genter/Lesterletter, and wondering at her ability to discount any consideration of the opinion of voters, when it occurred to me that MPs who have access to Parliament on the List have no real appreciation of how hard it is to win enough votes to be elected as an electorate MP. As far as they are concerned THEIR opinions are what count and the voters are irrelevant.
So, how about limiting the List MPs to those who have already shown respect to the voters by working hard enough to get elected for a couple of terms. That would, as my Old Mum would say, separate the wheat from the chaff.
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August 9, 2019 2:15pm
- Tall Man
  
  Might take a while, not much wheat that I can see in the coalition.
  
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  August 9, 2019 4:23pm
Sponge

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12257134

Blomfield buys Whaleoil.

I am laughing my fucking head off…
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August 9, 2019 2:17pm
- record guy
  
  I wonder how the conflict of interest is for Ms Toon the liquidator and reasons for what she’s done ???
  
  https://www.whaleoil.net.nz/2015/07/registered-wanker-finally-named/
  
  Then go to the Court of Appeal site and read the judgement about Blomfield in the Tyrion case… theft for starters. Slater wrote the story Operation Kite. All about this.
  
  With Blomfield’s current crop of liquidations he is just history repeating with unpaid money here there and everywhere
  
  I wonder how he afforded to buy the assets when he’s pled poverty at every turn ??
  
  No doubt IRD will take a look
  
  Worth looking at The Grocers Market with Aaron Drever. He’s on fraud charges and Blomfield In that one.
  
  I wonder if Ms Toon has run her sale past creditors ??? I would say not
  
  Poor Matt. So hard done by.
  
  Beige Badger will be pulling himself stupid at his echo chamber.
  
  Margie a book writer who called nobody to take a balanced view ….. Slater has all the audio, transcripts where Blomfield says it’s all true, put it out there.
  
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  August 9, 2019 2:57pm
  - Pete George
    
    You’ve been obsessed with this personal grudge for how long? Ten years? You’ve helped drag Slater and Nottingham down, and failed yourself. Time to move on a get a life instead of trying to trash other people’s lives?
    
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    August 9, 2019 3:28pm
    - Nermal
      
      Pot. Kettle. Black.
      
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      August 9, 2019 5:56pm
      - Pete George
        
        That doesn’t make sense. I haven’t been involved in the excesses, failures and bankruptcies of anyone.
        
        Changing your ID doesn’t disguise your MO.
        
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        August 10, 2019 7:35am
- Bell-47
  
  Wow! That really is the proverbial nail in the coffin. Blomfield really getting the last laugh.
  
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  August 9, 2019 3:01pm
- Nermal
  
  Article written by none other than David Fisher.
  
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  August 9, 2019 5:58pm
Happychappy

Mathew Hooton on why Winston Peter’s has started the game of being critical of Labour by saying they never negotiated in good faith.
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/winston-peters-taking-steps-not-seen-labours-poodle-before-election-commentator-says
Hooton says this is tossing voters back to a safe pair of hand to show he could still go with National or Labour at the next Election as he needs to get a strong vote to lift him above the 5% threshold.
How many times has Peter’s pull this stunt for NZ First and how many times have they been sucked in. To prove my point you only have to read the comments on Kiwiblog about we will vote for Act to because we don’t like Nationals direction or Simon Bridges.
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August 9, 2019 2:35pm
MH

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/WI18630718.2.17?query=ihumatao&items_per_page=50&page=2&snippet=true

Grey- I did warn them…

Come on cindy, or get on Home,Cindy cindy
Winston hums this all the long day..

I wish I was a apple hangin’ in a tree.
And everytime my sweetheart passed.
She’d take a bite off me.
She told me that she loved me.
She called me sugar plum.
She threw her arms around me
I thought my time had come.
Get along home, Cindy Cindy.
Get along home, Cindy Cindy.
Get along home, Cindy Cindy.
I’ll marry you sometime.
I wish I had a needle.
As fine as I could sew.
I’d sew her in my pocket.
And down the road I go.
Cindy hugged and kissed me.
She…
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August 9, 2019 3:04pm
MH

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/DSC18660426.2.24?query=ihumatao&items_per_page=25&page=16&snippet=true

And so it goes on………
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August 9, 2019 3:12pm
Surely Knott

Rosanna Arquette apologises for being white and privileged. She’s disgusted and it causes her so much shame. And she’s vowed to selling all additional trappings of her wealth, and giving it to underprivileged minorities. ……..Yeah nah. She’ll be tweeting about her humility to gain more wokeness status.
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August 9, 2019 3:16pm
- cmm
  
  I reckon she spends more on lip gloss than most African families do on food.
  
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  August 9, 2019 4:00pm
- The King
  
  As about 20,000 people in her tweet pointed out..
  
  She’s not White she’s jewish.
  
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  August 9, 2019 5:21pm
Tall Man

Sadly, a mate of mine died today while on the waiting list for heart surgery. He was due his operation in April but was “pushed back” by the DHB until sometime possibly never.

He died of a heart attack today which will be seen as a “win” by the DHB. One off the waiting list and a zero cost to them… The coalition of liars will be grateful as it is one less “uncounted” stat for them.
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August 9, 2019 4:19pm
- Swifty
  
  I’m very sorry to hear that.
  
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  August 9, 2019 5:14pm
cmm

Funny how South Africa is now described as an “emerging market”.

Emerging implies it was bad, but is emerging from that state (ie. getting better).

But what is actually happening is that it is going from being first world to just another part of deepest darkest Africa. Regressing, not emerging.
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August 9, 2019 4:48pm
- The King
  
  Hows that no more Apartheid working out..
  
  [Laughs in colonialism]
  
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  August 9, 2019 5:23pm
Swifty

Yes, yes you are a racist.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/114889725/ihumtao-woman-who-abused-cop-issues-apology-but-denies-comments-were-racist

That’s of course if you are held to the same standard as anyone else in NZ and especially whiteys.
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August 9, 2019 5:11pm
- sooty
  
  Is she John Hatfields daughter?
  
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  August 9, 2019 6:00pm
- Straight arrow
  
  “In terms of being a racist, I’m of Māori, English and Scottish descent. I also have a Tongan son. There’s no way I’m a racist.”
  The cop was Asian – not on your list.
  Yes, she is John’s daughter.
  
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  August 9, 2019 6:27pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Perhaps Ms Hatfield needs to have a chat with Train Conductor JJ
    
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018708052/driver-stops-train-demands-racist-passenger-get-off
    
    We’re all living in this country for a purpose, treat every person with the same respect that you’d like to be treated with – with total respect, no matter what race you are.
    
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    August 9, 2019 6:47pm
    - sooty
      
      The apple did not fall from the tree!
      
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      August 9, 2019 8:33pm
Maggie Pie

My partner just txt he’s on his way home.
He doesn’t know it yet, but I’m going to surprise him with another duck.
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August 9, 2019 5:30pm
- sooty
  
  Did you realise that you spelt it wrong!
  
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  August 9, 2019 5:59pm
- Humble Capitalist
  
  A duck after a long day at work is my favourite too
  
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  August 9, 2019 6:41pm
niggly

COL w*nkers (and Winston the traitor enabled then supported this … Bye Bye NZF 2020).

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/114886627/government-withdraws-majority-of-financial-support-for-the-oil-industry

Green Party energy spokesman Gareth Hughes said the changes were a priority for the party and it wanted to see all support measures for fossil fuel industries come to an orderly end.

“Over the last 10 years there have been more than $237m of taxpayer money given to one of the world’s most profitable industries that is burning the planet.”

But wait, what are the real facts?

Meanwhile, an oil and gas lobby group are refuting the industry gets special tax treatment.

Petroleum Exploration and Production Exploration Association of New Zealand chief executive Cameron Madgwick said last year the issue was investigated by the Productivity Commission.

It concluded that ‘New Zealand provides only minor (less than $4 million a year) government support to activities with some relationship to fossil-fuel production and consumption’, he said.

“There are no direct subsidies for our industry. In fact, we are a major net contributor to New Zealand. The Government receives 42 per cent of all profit from most producing fields, with an average of $500m per year in taxes and royalties going to the Crown.”

Greens using crooked figures it seems, and deluded to think that their zealotry won’t cost NZ’ers in higher energy costs, with the poor disproportionally affected paying for “rich-prick Green MP” madness!
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August 9, 2019 6:48pm
Hugh Pavletich

… CHINA …

US trade war drives China’s producer prices into deflation, as pork prices send consumer inflation higher … South China Morning Post

https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3022075/us-trade-war-drives-chinas-producer-prices-deflation-pork

Asia shares mixed as Chinese food inflation soars, Japan GDP beats expectations … CNBC

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/09/asia-stocks-august-9-china-inflation-data-yuan-us-china-trade-war.html

China “Faces The Worst Of Both Worlds” As PPI Deflation Arrives While Food Inflation Soars … Zerohedge

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-08-09/china-faces-worst-both-worlds-ppi-deflation-arrives-while-food-inflation-soars
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August 9, 2019 6:51pm
chaos

I just had a survey and I think it needs to be shared. It shows a possible direction this government is taking New Zealand post. A direction that could include paying a tax for your mail, getting fewer deliveries and fewer days you can send mail. I captured some of the options here for anyone wanting to see them

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August 9, 2019 7:35pm
Tauhei Notts

Update on the odds for the next president.
Liz Warren has risen in favouritism as has Sanders, but Sanders to a lesser extent. Kamala Harris and Pete Buttigieg are on the way out. The Donald remains at no change.
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August 9, 2019 8:53pm
Hugh Pavletich

US CHINA TRADE WAR …

Why Vietnam is emerging as a ‘winner’ and possible new target of the US-China trade war (VIDEO) … South China Morning Post

https://www.scmp.com/video/economy/3022208/why-vietnam-emerging-winner-and-possible-new-target-us-china-trade-war

US farmers brace for more pain as China halts US agricultural imports amid escalating trade war … youtube / South China Morning Post

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjawJ2aQcq0

China producer prices fall for first time in three years, deflation worries resurface … Reuters

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-economy-inflation/china-producer-prices-fall-for-first-time-in-three-years-deflation-worries-resurface-idUSKCN1UZ0AD
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