General Debate 7 August 2019

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pdm

What a tangled web Minister Genter does weave.
When she endeavours to deceive.
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August 7, 2019 8:01am
- Tony Stuart
  
  “The dog ate my Green Party letterhead”
  
  Whatever JAG 😀
  
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  August 7, 2019 8:11am
  - hullkiwi
    
    No her baby got to it, the one that can already ride a bike.
    
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    August 7, 2019 8:18am
- slightlyrighty
  
  I thought we were all Genter Neutral? Or did I mishear?
  
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  August 7, 2019 8:14am
- Tall Man
  
  Like most of her “endeavours”, she’s useless….
  
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  August 7, 2019 8:33am
  - freethinker
    
    Very generous almost praise for someone who is actually dangerous to society.
    
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    August 7, 2019 8:49am
    - Tall Man
      
      I have faith that her impact will be minimal.
      
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      August 7, 2019 9:28am
      - Tall Man
        
        In explanation, I say that because the coalition is so incompetent that the odds of them actually enacting much are low and come 2020 they will be gone…
        
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        August 7, 2019 2:38pm
- Fletch
  
  This just proves what we all knew – much of the Greens ‘out there’ ideology is too extreme in governance. It involves ganja for all, banning drilling and plastic bags, crippling our economy in the name of beating “climate change”, saving baby whales while advocating the killing of baby humans. Now, in today’s news, JAG wants to ban whitebait fishing… That’s not going to go down well…
  
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  August 7, 2019 9:26am
  - Fletch
    
    [Edit] it is Eugene Sage who wants to ban whitebait fishing…
    
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    August 7, 2019 9:46am
    - igm
      
      Anything that seems to have an impact on white people (those paying majority of taxes) seems to be on the hit list by these let-wing scum.
      
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      August 7, 2019 10:21am
  - Liberty
    
    Maureen Pugh supporting the whitebaiters.
    https://www.parliament.nz/en/watch-parliament/ondemand?itemId=207966
    
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    August 7, 2019 11:34am
    - John Warren
      
      Not so “fucking useless” after all? Good to see her rallying to the whitebaiting cause – the Greens seem intent on destroying everything about the Kiwi way of life. Do they really hate us that much?
      
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      August 7, 2019 11:59am
      - JibberJabber
        
        Yes John, yes they do.
        They loathe anything and everything about the freedom and independence that New Zealanders enjoy, they want everyone to be as miserable and humourless as they are.
        
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        August 7, 2019 3:31pm
- Greg Ettridge
  
  Starting to look like Julie ann has a brain the size of a Kumquat.
  Can’t find a pair of scissors to remove letterhead or turn the piece of paper over and write on the back.
  Puts this photo up on instagram.
  https://www.instagram.com/p/BUNeYw-A8co/
  but will vote to have babies over 20 weeks to be aborted and left to die in front of the medical staff.
  “Every Child”!
  
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  August 7, 2019 11:13am
Maggie Pie

Golriz absolutely nails it –

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBQoQQdUcAA6ITx?format=jpg&name=900×900
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August 7, 2019 8:03am
- Tall Man
  
  I have noticed over my life that stupid people, really really stupid people, prove time and time again that they are in fact…. stupid.
  
  This is a classic example although steffy manages it everyday as well.
  
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  August 7, 2019 8:10am
  - Tall Man
    
    Seer what I mean… mention stupid and up pops steffy.
    
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    August 7, 2019 8:34am
  - barnacle bill
    
    Tool Boy, this guy had you in mind all those years ago.
    In 1866 in fact.
    
    “I did not mean that Conservatives are generally stupid; I meant, that stupid persons are generally Conservative. I believe that to be so obvious and undeniable a fact that I hardly think any hon. Gentleman will question it.
    
    [John Stuart Mill, in a Parliamentary debate with the Conservative MP, John Pakington, May 31, 1866.]”
    
    ― John Stewart Mill
    
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    August 7, 2019 9:41am
    - RW Capitalist
      
      and yet the failings of ALL liberals and Labour, in the historical facts since this time.
      Would show the opposite, that is in fact they who are the stupid failures and the conservatives who have benefited the world.
      History has born out the opposite.
      
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      August 7, 2019 10:13am
      - barnacle bill
        
        Your facts don’t stack up RWC.
        
        Look at the right wing lot in power in the UK and the USA.
        If Boris calls an election, he will be a gone burger, and Trump is making such a bloody hash of it in the States, he will be very lucky to survive an election.
        
        China will be his downfall.
        
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        August 7, 2019 10:43am
      - RW Capitalist
        
        BB
        So much stupid to rebut in you below comment
        1.95% top tax rate in the UK in the 60’s, saw the demise of British industry and near collapse of their economy….LABOUR
        2. Every Labour Govt. in my lifetime (59 years) has left the economy in a mess and worse than they found it) in NZ.
        3. Rough quote from a Chinese trade rep to Europe ” Our economy started to grow at a great rate, AFTER we introduced more western style freedoms to Business’.
        There is not a single example of a socialist agenda working, anywhere in the world, past or present.
        “Socialism is fine, until you run out of other peoples money”
        Margaret Thatcher
        
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        August 7, 2019 1:01pm
      - barnacle bill
        
        You talk bunkum rwc.
        I guess you would rank Muldoon as a success.
        Yea right.
        
        Even the last National Govt wasn’t a raving success.
        Unless you were in favour of rampant immigration, rising house prices, water issues, as well as leaving so many social issues to be dealt with.
        
        Get your blinkers of mate.
        
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        August 7, 2019 1:33pm
      - RW Capitalist
        
        OK Bill
        Lets dig down a bit
        “You talk bunkum rwc.
        I guess you would rank Muldoon as a success.
        Yea right.
        * Muldoon …not my favourite but infinitely better than the mess that followed or preceded.
        Kirk ignored advice to build the Clyde dam, causing delays that gave us power cuts in the 80’s, as he was forwarned of, BTW we still rely on this today for our “renewable energy”.
        Kirk destroyed our economy and didn’t react (after ample warning) to the oil crisis.
        Lange started out OK, but soon reverted to type, leaving a mess behind him.
        Ruth’s “mother of all budgets” was basically Douglas’ budget that Lange was too much of a chicken shit to implement.
        Shippley left Clark 4% growth, AFTER the Asia crisis that nearly bankrupted larger economies than ours.
        Clark took a growing economy and ran it into the ground,with their “technical recession” 1 yr BEFORE the GFC.
        Leaving Key with a crippled economy, hardly able to stand, let alone move forward. (Cullens…”The cupboard is bare”)
        Key/English produced a “rock star economy” (aways look at what OTHERS say about you.).
        In the head wind of
        A recession economy
        No funds to use
        deficits
        etc
        Then add the Christchurch earthquake costing billions
        These clowns inherited a sound economy with 3.8% growth, falling unemployment
        High business confidence
        tax cuts coming
        A well run and relatively efficient health service
        ETCETCETC
        and in just 2 short years they have slowed the economy stalled employment growth
        Business confidence is in the toilet, strikes,etcetc
        
        Get your blinkers of mate
        I have blinkers?
        The you have a blindfold.
        
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        August 7, 2019 2:54pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Thanks bill, you have proven my point yet again.
      
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      August 7, 2019 10:33am
      - barnacle bill
        
        Your points are always pointless Tool boy.
        
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        August 7, 2019 10:48am
      - Tall Man
        
        “Tool boy”….
        
        Now I don’t like to brag about my abilities so I’d just like to know who has been talking about my “equipment”……… My enormous appendages are my business and I’m puzzled as to why you keep referring to them….
        
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        August 7, 2019 2:17pm
      - barnacle bill
        
        As to the denial you posted at 5.17 pm, for your information, I did not report you, ask our host if you do not believe me.
        If you were reported, it was not by me.
        
        I just left it as I think any decent person could see what a juvenile you are.
        
        Have a good evening tall boy.
        
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        August 7, 2019 8:46pm
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Haha, BB is exactly what Leftie supremacy looks like…
      
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      August 7, 2019 2:20pm
      - Tall Man
        
        They’re inverted…..
        
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        August 7, 2019 3:11pm
    - barnacle bill
      
      I see you are now telling whoppers again Tall boy.
      I can now add tall stories to your name.
      
      Talk about telling lies, as usual.
      You dirty old man.
      
      Tall Man
      “Tool boy”….
      Now I don’t like to brag about my abilities so I’d just like to know who has been talking about my “equipment”……… My enormous appendages are my business and I’m puzzled as to why you keep referring to them….
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      August 7, 2019 4:06pm
      - Tall Man
        
        People, this post is made to look like mine and it is not.
        
        Due to the limited mental faculties of bill he has to repost mine. No need bill, we got the message, you’re offended by “willie” talk….. must be a message in there people… and you were compelled to “report” me… I have already pointed out that we get you’re not the sharpest knife in the drawer, no need to labour the point and I guess you’re own inadequacies are are such that keep needing to insult me…… You’re not very good at it, maybe a mod could give you a few pointers as I’m sure they see a fair bit of crap in a day 😉
        
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        August 7, 2019 5:17pm
- stephieboy
  
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  Maggie Pie, you left out two more replies.
  
  Why?
  
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  August 7, 2019 8:18am
  - cmm
    
    Cindy really, really needed you yesterday to provide distractions but you didn’t turn up.
    
    You really let the side down. PriNZess deserves better!
    
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    August 7, 2019 8:36am
Rich Prick

Where the fuck is Cindy? Not that I care. Is there a home for silly bints?
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August 7, 2019 8:05am
- Tony Stuart
  
  She was in the House yesterday, where she repeated the lie about “sewage running down the walls” at Middlemore Hospital.
  
  With luck, some National MP will make a complaint to the Speaker that she has committed a Breach of Privilege by wilfully misleading the House.
  
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  August 7, 2019 8:14am
  - pdm
    
    Apparently she is going to be flogging the overtime this week because it has been indicated that she is going to be in the house tomorrow afternoon.
    
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    August 7, 2019 8:19am
  - Gravelroad
    
    Yes, I saw that – smacked of absolute desperation and unworthy of a PM who has promised truth and transparency.
    Shame on Ms Ardern for resorting to retelling a lie, but illustrates that she too has little knowledge of the difference between management issues and governance leadership.
    
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    August 7, 2019 8:20am
    - Tall Man
      
      This may come as a surprise but ardern is a liar, always has been and always will.
      
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      August 7, 2019 8:35am
      - cmm
        
        TM: Smacks for you. L-word is banned around here!
        
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        August 7, 2019 8:58am
      - Brian McDonald
        
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        Calling a Prime Minister a liar from behind a pseudonym now, what are you frightened of? I reported your comment for what it’s worth – just to let you know.
        
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        August 7, 2019 9:03am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        She lied in parliament yesterday about sewerage on the walls of Middlemore, which was revealed to be a Labour fabrication last year.
        
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        August 7, 2019 9:13am
      - cmm
        
        Brian, why do you have such a problem with calling a person who lies to the public this often a liar?
        
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        August 7, 2019 9:21am
      - Tall Man
        
        I stay anonymous because I don’t need [deleted by DPF]
        
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        August 7, 2019 9:31am
      - Brian McDonald
        
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        CMM I think it’s gutless from behind a pseudonym on a message board regardless of who it targets, speaks of personal inadequacy and lack of backbone. Not the sort of thing Rob Muldoon or Bill English stood for.
        
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        August 7, 2019 9:54am
      - Brian McDonald
        
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        Get over yourself Tall Man with the blowing your own trumpet. At least politicians have to put out it there to the public to get elected – on the hustings it use to be called, where you’d hiding be behind a hedge shouting abuse. Didn’t your gran tell you that if you didn’t have anything good to say about somebody don’t say nowt?
        
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        August 7, 2019 10:25am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        The left have amongst their number a significant number of zealots who will happily set out to destroy peoples lives, kill their businesses and get them fired if they don’t kowtow to their dogmatic beliefs. This is assymetric – not matched by right.
        Only economically secure people have the luxury of using their own names in these dark times.
        
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        August 7, 2019 10:49am
      - Brian McDonald
        
        UrbanNeocolonialist. ‘Dark times’ are when people are not prepared to stand by what they say and think freedom is talk behind people’s back. I stepped out from behind a pseudonym after March 15 when this blog changed, so did a number of posters. Tony Stuart in particular to note, he had commented anonymously politically from the right for a long time. He remains as large as life, as do people like Hoskins and others who always used their own names don’t let paranoia overcome you.
        
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        August 7, 2019 11:13am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        No dice. I have a family to support, and commenting here is a recreation not a mission.
        
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        August 7, 2019 12:00pm
      - Tall Man
        
        “I stay anonymous because I don’t need [deleted by DPF]”
        
        Jeez David, you could have left the meat of the comment in place.
        
        Maybe you don’t like me referring to a poster as a stalker but others have referred to “stalkers” and saying that I don’t want these guys tracking me down and popping up in my private or business life is not unreasonable….. IMHO.
        
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        August 7, 2019 2:36pm
      - Brian McDonald
        
        So many down ticks so little time. Here’s another 1 for you.
        By a rough count 80% of posters on KB are anonymous, 1 has said it’s because he or she has a family to support, as though those that post under their own names don’t. Another who abuses other posters says it’s because he or she doesn’t want to get stalked as though anybody would bother chasing a chicken when you buy them fresh at the supermarket.
        The 20% who use their own names haven’t suggested having any problems. The owner of the blog uses his own name. and always has as far as I know.
        But in fact the preferred use of anonymity is consistent with the time of Christchurch shootings when many here complained about the changes in the rules in that there would be live moderators as time permitted and those posters would have to wait until that time unless they made the decision to use their own names and therefor be responsible for what they posted or linked to. I thought that was a good stand by DPF, 1 I chose to support.
        Some left, maybe a few ‘left’ then returned under different names perhaps after withdrawal symptoms took hold. The majority of anonymous posters are not venomous, overly opinionated, loudly abusive of public figures or known persons using this blog. They write as they would speak in person.
        Years ago I suggested that owners of blogs were liable for the content of their blogs, and that blogs were in fact the same as print media. I think the day will come when people cannot post on public blogs anonymously as the venues for spreading bile. or hate speech continues to be reduced, and those stopped in 1 area look for another dark place.
        There was something of this on the news tonight where it is very much the case in America, particularly for the media. For some years in NZ there have been 2 acts of Parliament available to members of the Public to apply for the release of the correct names of persons where articles of those Acts are claimed to have been breached, and where that can be reasonably shown.
        Interesting times, but not dark by any means
        
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        August 7, 2019 8:12pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Brian,
        I am a prime example of why people need to be cautious on this blog site.
        
        Perhaps I was naive when I first came on KB.
        I assumed the rules that DPF had for the blog would be enforced…
        
        So I wasn’t particularly worried when I started getting flak when I expressed doubt about the Science behind the NZ Temperature record…. but it became creepy when one abuser often reverted to sexual smears and delivered abuse at late hours.
        
        When Griff posted that his intention was to destroy my reputation, I backed away from some of the volunteer groups I had worked with and
        I made sure that my surname could not be linked with any business or group that applies for public funds.
        
        There is no way on earth I ever imagined someone living in Kaiti would be described as Alt-Right….especially someone with Maori whanau and mixed-race (according to Nazi rules) children….but then I’d never encountered anyone as confused as Stephieboy.
        
        Unlike many people, I am financially independent, have no fascinating back history that can come to bite me on the bum, have supportive
        relationships, no immediate dependants and I’m old.
        
        That’s not the position for many folks who comment here.
        
        If you have a career that could be ruined by malicious lies or family that could be hurt by nasty rumours/smears… stay anonymous on KB.
        
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        August 7, 2019 9:07pm
      - Brian McDonald
        
        I remember that Maggie, ‘Griff’ exploiting the blog as it then was. I hope that doesn’t creep back with the very righteous and wonderful, I agree with your point. But there are other ‘Griffs’ around exploiting anonymity even while most don’t. ‘Griff’ bragged a lot about himself, which party he supported, where he grew up and an incident at an Auckland bus stop for which he wanted tearful sympathy whilst at other times adulation for his bitterness against fellow members – sad fellow well gone.
        
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        August 7, 2019 9:37pm
  - G152
    
    I think her ‘telling porkies’ in the House is by now a given.
    Mallard will protect her
    
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    August 7, 2019 8:26am
    - igm
      
      Mallard is not exactly a good judge of lying . . . he has been caught out a number of times.
      
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      August 7, 2019 8:51am
      - Tall Man
        
        I think he’s pretty good at it actually, it’s now a labour “thing” and seems to be the only thing that labour are qualified to do.
        
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        August 7, 2019 9:32am
      - septic skeptic
        
        And what has happened about Mallard sounding off about sexual assaults tantamount to rape? That’s all gone very quiet.
        
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        August 7, 2019 9:42am
      - Tall Man
        
        Sorry SS, that report button is very sensitive on my screen 😉
        
        I was going to give you an ardern reply…
        
        ummm, ahhh, ummm, you know Mike, ummm… ahhhh.
        
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        August 7, 2019 10:45am
      - sooty
        
        Of course it has, it’s labour we are talking about here! The media still want to walk the baby!
        
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        August 7, 2019 10:52am
  - srylands
    
    It was very clear that the sewerage story was a myth.
    
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    August 7, 2019 8:57am
    - alloytoo
      
      It probably has some vague basis in fact, in that some poor bugger had an unfortunate accident in the bathroom.
      
      Hardly a reflection on the state of the buildings.
      
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      August 7, 2019 10:08am
      - Tall Man
        
        Just an unwashed stain if I remember correctly.
        
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        August 7, 2019 10:46am
    - Piniwi
      
      More to the point srylands what did this DHB do with the additional funding to address these building issues previously granted by National?
      
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      August 7, 2019 1:03pm
- stephieboy
  
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  On news hub last night I believe with this comment which will please you all,
  
  Ihumātao protest: Jacinda Ardern has ‘no intention’ to visit site
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/08/ihum-tao-protest-jacinda-ardern-has-no-intention-to-visit-site.html
  
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  August 7, 2019 8:22am
  - Brian McDonald
    
    ‘at this stage’ the link says.
    
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    August 7, 2019 9:05am
- John Warren
  
  She made a brief appearance at QT yesterday, although I suspect that what I watched was actually inserted archival footage, because she had on that same salmon jacket that she surely cannot still be wearing.
  
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  August 7, 2019 10:00am
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Hong Kong update …

‘Prepared to Die’: Hong Kong Protesters Embrace Hard-Core Tactics, Challenge Beijing … Wall Street Journal (behind paywall)

https://www.wsj.com/articles/prepared-to-die-hong-kong-protesters-embrace-hard-core-tactics-challenge-beijing-11565038264

The resistance, which has mainstream support, is the biggest rebellion against China’s government since President Xi took power … read more via hyperlink above …
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China warns Hong Kong protesters not to ‘play with fire’ … BBC

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-49246304

… report on former Australian Prime Minister John Howards comments on Hong Kong …

https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/national/australia-needs-to-support-a-free-and-autonomous-hong-kong/video/4dc24b79ca2fb62ef7676833a849d826
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August 7, 2019 8:05am
- kowtow
  
  They’re not “protesters” , they are a violent mob. No government would countenance the destruction and lawlessness the radicals are imposing on HK.
  
  The extradition bill has been withdrawn , now it seems the rest of HK wants to get on with life while the radicals want a revolution.
  
  They’ll destroy HK’s unique character yet.
  
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  August 7, 2019 8:21am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Are the “protesters” acting in the interests of the PRC?
    
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    August 7, 2019 8:42am
    - Wangas Feral
      
      I thought that they are probably a PRC plan to give them an excuse to come in to restore order.
      
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      August 7, 2019 9:18am
      - kowtow
        
        No need to do that. The police are there to keep order.
        
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        August 7, 2019 11:46am
  - freethinker
    
    Withdrawn does not mean it will not be re introduced which is probably why the wise people of Hong Know a devious China will do and are signalling their extreme displeasure and distrust – sounds familiar globally??
    
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    August 7, 2019 8:53am
    - kowtow
      
      Indeed , but the radicals are literally calling for ‘revolution’ and are using violence to back that call.
      
      That’s not how one legitimately signals extreme displeasure and distrust .
      
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      August 7, 2019 9:15am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        No other mechanism exists for changing govt in Hong Kong – PRC effectively has veto over Hong Kong leadership
        
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        August 7, 2019 10:55am
JibberJabber

I`m starting to think that maybe we owe Winston a debt of gratitude, just imagine the state we`d be in if this CoL monstrosity had complete control?
Venezuela/Zimbabwe would indeed be looking like a utopian paradise.
His handbrake slides on this ” Govts” ill thought out reforms and social engineering are vital to our future prosperity.
Still wouldn`t vote for him tho`.
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August 7, 2019 8:17am
- kowtow
  
  He let them get away with the oil and gas ban. That is a move that this country may literally never recover from.
  Same with the gun changes , NZF were once really on top of the firearms issue and they have run to the hills on that too .
  
  Unforgiveable.
  
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  August 7, 2019 8:30am
  - srylands
    
    You are correct about gas. The investment cycles are so long the firms are never coming back. And in 2030 New Zealand will be using more gas than we do today. And if it is not available domestically it will be imported from Australia as LNG.
    
    By 2021 Australia will be the world’s biggest gas exporter. Exploration and infrastructure are proceeding at pace. It is such a dramatic, and disturbing, marker of the stark differences in public policy settings in the two countries.
    
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    August 7, 2019 9:05am
  - igm
    
    Yes, but he got millions to buy a northland seat so he can get another term to pay back those of us who did not want a bar of his distorted policies.
    
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    August 7, 2019 10:26am
- White Anglo Saxon Protestant
  
  Maybe. When I’m temped to agree, I simply consider who is responsible for selecting the PTPM and clarity prevails.
  
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  August 7, 2019 8:30am
- Blackbob
  
  Unfortunately we owe him slightly more opprobrium than gratitude for putting them there in the first place..
  
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  August 7, 2019 8:30am
- ldypen
  
  That’s exactly how Winston plays it.. the great white night riding to our rescue (even though he caused the situation in the first place by enabling Labour/Greens)… it’s all smoke and mirrors, never to be trusted!
  
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  August 7, 2019 8:32am
- geoff3012
  
  No way we do. He is the one responsible for this bus crash.
  
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  August 7, 2019 8:34am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  That would be like thanking someone who had just raped you for not sodomising you.
  
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  August 7, 2019 8:35am
  - Scooter
    
    Or someone raping you to put on a condom
    
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    August 7, 2019 9:54am
- cmm
  
  Analogy time: If a thug pushes you into a river then helps you out do you thank him for saving your life?
  
  We’re only in this mess because Winnie enabled them. Why thank the bastard?
  
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  August 7, 2019 8:39am
  - Sofia
    
    cmm: We’re only in this mess because Winnie enabled them. Why thank the bastard?
    
    Yesterday on Morning Report, NZ First MP Tracey Martin ruled out a referendum on the abortion reform bill which is set down for its first reading tomorrow.
    “It hasn’t been something that has come up in our caucus at all with regards to this piece of legislation,” Ms Martin said.
    She insisted none of her colleagues had proposed any changes to Andrew Little’s bill that will take abortion out of the Crimes Act, but just hours later – to the surprise of both Ms Martin and Mr Little – Winston Peters revealed the party was considering a binding referendum on the matter.
    
    Unless Winston was acting totally out of character, those who last Election voted New Zealand First, were in fact giving Winston their vote, for Winston (after the Election result was declared) to do whatever Winston wanted with their vote.
    
    Explain again how that is democratic
    You (if you are eligible): one vote. Me: one vote.
    Winston: 186,706 votes
    
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    August 7, 2019 9:33am
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Names and places have been changed:
    The scorpion and the frog.
    “A scorpion and a frog meet on the bank of a babbling stream. It’s too treacherous to cross, so the scorpion nicely asks the frog to carry him across on its back. This makes the frog a little suspicious. It asks, “How do I know you won’t sting me?” The scorpion says, “Because if I do, I will die too.” That sound reasoning relaxes the frog’s nerves. So he allows the scorpion to climb aboard and they shove off across the flowing water. They get halfway across the stream and the scorpion stings the frog directly in the middle of his back. The frog feels the onset of the scorpion’s poison and starts to sink. He manages one dying breath: “Why?!” And the scorpion replies: “It’s my nature…”
    
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    August 7, 2019 9:41am
- Tall Man
  
  Let’s break it down a bit… “UN Migration Pact”.. tick from “what’s in it for wynston”.
  
  “Kiwi not build”… tick from “what’s in it for wynston”…..
  
  “Roading projects dumped”… tick from “what’s in it for wynston”.
  
  “Banning an idiot’s manifesto”… tick from “what’s in it for wynston”.
  
  “Banning MSSA’s”… tick from “what’s in it for wynston”.
  
  “Ban on Oil and Gas exploration permits”… tick from “what’s in it for wynston”.
  
  “Futile banning of plastic bags”… tick from “what’s in it for wynston”.
  
  And please don’t tell me that scuttling the repeal of the three strikes legislation is a biggie as the judges are loathe to implement it anyway and the dropping of the CGT is down to ardern’s own cabinet seeing their troughing days coming to an early end.
  
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  August 7, 2019 8:44am
  - peterwn
    
    The judges have effectively saved the day for ‘three strikes’ and I will not criticise them for allegedly failing to ‘enforce’ the law. It is unthinkable that a civilised society would lock up someone (however loathsome) for the rest of his/her natural life through the operation of the law without any possible review of the action – ever. This is ‘manifestly unjust’ in a civilised society which ever way you look at it. So the judges have interpreted the law properly as far as I am concerned.
    Hopefully the Parole Board will take notice that an offender escaped a LWOP as ‘manifestly unjust’ and raise the barrier very high on the offender’s possible release (most of David Garrett’s ‘very worst’ offenders are unlikely to be released until they are quite incapable of causing further harm to society).
    Conversely if there are any LWOP prisoners, they will serve as a ‘lightening rod’ to those wanting repeal of the ‘three strikes’ legislation.
    I imagined ‘three strikes’ was doomed under a Labour government, but surprisingly it has survived. It seems that ‘three strikes’ will actually result in fewer total man-years being served in prison than if the legislation did not exist. If further experience verifies this, then ‘three strikes’ would be serving a valuable service in sentencing by helping reduce the prison population (rather than increase it as critics have predicted).
    If experience shows this is the case then David Garrett deserves a knighthood in due course. It is a great pity he was knocked out of Parliament and politics by a stupid act in his young days.
    
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    August 7, 2019 9:32am
    - igm
      
      He was knocked out by a filthy Labour campaign that was pushed to the fore by a lowdown media.
      
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      August 7, 2019 10:28am
      - peterwn
        
        His position as a MP became untenable when DIA did its passport photo matching and caught him and a few others out (once identical twins had been identified and excluded). In this regard he was plain unlucky – he would not imagine at the time that there would be future technology that could readily match a few million passport photos against each other.
        
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        August 7, 2019 1:04pm
    - madamezucchininz
      
      I have worked in prisons & when they first brought the 3 strikes law in I was aghast until I realized it wasn’t a rehash of the Californian law where ANY 3 felonies gets you life in prison.
      
      There are a small number of inmates – and with society heading the way it is, this number will increase – who are so inherently dangerous & seemingly without empathy that the 3 strikes law is needed if only as a deterrent. That said, “ordinary” criminals on a second strike may be deterred at the thought of life imprisonment for a third offense . . . .the small number previously mentioned usually just act. Consequences do not figure in any equation.
      
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      August 7, 2019 10:43am
- Hacked-Off
  
  JibberJabber, I disagree with all except the last sentence which I applaud. If I could remind you, if it was not for Peters we would not be having to put up with all the disgusting antics of this current crowd in what passes for a Government. Peters is an enabler – just as a drug pusher is an enabler to an addict. He will let the addict (in this case Labour and the Greens) indulge themselves to their hearts content but occasionally will he pull them up – just to show them the power he has. Peters does nothing to hold this Government to account except the few times when he feels he needs to flex that power for his own benefit and no one else – not even the members of his own party.
  
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  August 7, 2019 8:46am
  - JibberJabber
    
    I was thinking along the lines of an innoculation/vaccine against future Left govts, short term pain long term gain, but alas the average Kiwi has Voters Alzheimers and forgets once things run (relatively) smoothly for a term or two, they tend to fall for the lefty bullshit , a pretty face and/or just vote for change , give the other side a go nonsense.
    On the oil and gas fiasco, Winston was blindsided by this Captains call , possibly his poo-fingering of subsequent Labour calls is revenge for that.
    
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    August 7, 2019 10:17am
- freethinker
  
  Jibber-Tova explained why peters surprised the angry r sole – using a supplementary order means it will be discussed & voted on thus defeating little pre emptively, I may loathe peters but he is a wily old coote.
  
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  August 7, 2019 8:56am
Happychappy

Shaw actually a Labour Party member in his heart says Simon Bridges in his reply over James Shaw saying he will never work with National as long as Simon Bridges is the Leader of the party.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/08/james-shaw-actually-a-labour-party-member-in-his-heart-simon-bridges.html
Simon also hinted that they wi also rule out working with NZ First and Winston Peter’s at the next Election.
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August 7, 2019 8:17am
- peterwn
  
  I would be charitable to James Shaw and consider he was forced to that that position by ultra left wing elements in the party. What I find interesting is he singled out Simon rather than National. He seems to have left the door open for the future.
  
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  August 7, 2019 3:29pm
hullkiwi

Once again we learn that NZF is really Winston First.

Tracey Martin interviewed yesterday on Morning Report stating she saw no need for a referendum on abortion law reform. She has been working with Little to formulate these changes. She claimed the matter has not been discussed by the NZF caucas and it was not on their radar.

Six hours later, Winston indicates NZF will make their position clear and indications are this will include a referendum.

Thank you Winston for clearing that up. Why do you bother allowing your colleagues to front the media? You should just get the media to go to you for all NZF policy positions, as clearly they are not allowed to speak on their policy areas.
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August 7, 2019 8:17am
- Positan
  
  NZFirst has never, EVER been anything other than, “Winston FIRST.
  
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  August 7, 2019 8:51am
- Scott
  
  One of the difficulties is that New Zealand first was generally seen as a fairly conservative party whose constituents would have no appetite for abortion liberalisation.
  
  Essentially this piece of legislation means that an abortion can be had right up until birth as long as a doctor thinks it’s necessary. This means that the unborn child at nine months minus one day is given the same status as a gallbladder and tonsils.
  
  Who can possibly think that a baby the day before his or her birth should be given no legal protection whatsoever? Who can think that it is okay to rip that baby out of the womb? The mind boggles.
  
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  August 7, 2019 9:09am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    No clinic would ever perform a late abortion unless it was a matter of life and death to the woman. Even you, I hope, agree that in such a case late term abortion would be necessary.
    
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    August 7, 2019 2:37pm
Maggie Pie

16yo victim of ‘Young Labor Summer Camp sexual assault’ speaks out, saying: “The accused has consistently pleaded not guilty, despite the absolutely monumental amount of evidence against him. The trial begins in 3 weeks”

[Mod: Name and link deleted as the person named is the subject of a suppression order. Both the victims’ and the accused’s names are suppressed]
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August 7, 2019 8:18am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Mod: yet the person concerned has nearly 500 Twitter followers {of which i am one} and has regularly tweeted of their involvement in this matter? Interesting.
  
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  August 7, 2019 8:39am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    I can’t comment on the legal implications of a person breaching a name suppression order on their own name; perhaps one of our legal experts could comment. I would hate to see the trial of the alleged offender further postponed, or in any way compromised.
    
    The Herald had a story yesterday about the young man’s views. Originally they named him, and published his tweet from yesterday where he self-identified. That story was quickly rewritten, with references to the young man remaining, but all identifying information deleted.
    
    It’s probably better to tread with caution on DPF’s blog, given that he would be the one in the gun if a complaint was made about suppression orders being breached.
    
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    August 7, 2019 8:48am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Thanks for the clarification Tony. Noted.
      
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      August 7, 2019 8:56am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        You’re welcome. Name suppression is a messy business at times. I’ve heard of victims applying to the Court for the suppression order on them to be lifted because they want to tell their story, but I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone doing it in the manner this young fella has. I just hope he hasn’t hurt the prosecution, on the charges relating to him, at least.
        
        PS: @TonyStuart55 on Twitter, itf you need some entertainment or enlightenment 😀
        
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        August 7, 2019 9:09am
  - Tall Man
    
    I’m not sure if you can “breach” a suppression order on your own name….. We need Mr Garrett.
    
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    August 7, 2019 8:58am
    - SGA
      
      Really I don’t know. I’m guessing that if breaching the suppression order could implicitly identify or expose others whose names are also protected, then it might be a problem (e.g., to take an extreme – a case of incest). I’ve no idea how that might apply here.
      
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      August 7, 2019 9:38am
    - srylands
      
      I don’t think you can. IIRC a rape victim a few years back wanted to go public and discuss her experience. She had name suppression and needed to applky to the Court to have it lifted.
      
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      August 7, 2019 9:47am
      - Batman
        
        Srylands, yes I recall that one too. She had to wait for the trial then make an application.
        
        It was quite a palava.
        
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        August 7, 2019 10:23am
- rightoverlabour
  
  Chuck the link, not the names on ysb.
  
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  August 7, 2019 8:49am
Yvette

So when we return, in one year, in three years, I ask you to ask of us what we have done. Ask us how we have given dignity back to your whānau, ask us what we have done to improve poverty for tamariki, ask us what we have done to give rangatahi opportunities and jobs, ask us, hold us to account. Because one day I want to be able to tell my child that I earned the right to stand here and only you can tell me when I have done that. So for now I finish with these wise words I’ve heard from Ngāi Tahu before:
Mō tātou, ā, mō kā uri, ā muri ake nei – for us and for our children after us.
Tēnā koutou, tēnā koutou, tēnā koutou katoa.
– Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern, Waitangi, February 5, 2018
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August 7, 2019 8:19am
Maggy Wassilieff

Barry Soper reveals more about how ineffective our PM is in protecting workers against Predators and bullies.

Jacinda Ardern talks a lot but says little about Labour Party sex scandal
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12256255

Why would any woman or parent support Labour?
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August 7, 2019 8:19am
- stephieboy
  
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  MW, but the facts they do and will be pleased to see the PM has ordered a thorough investigation and review!
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/114776349/jacinda-ardern-confirms-labour-reviewing-handling-of-summer-camp-allegations
  
  Barry Soper but one MSM journo vilified and hated by many of KB alt right posters!
  
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  August 7, 2019 8:25am
  - cmm
    
    They didn’t learn a damn thing from Fingergate did they?
    
    Should have called the cops. Immediately.
    
    Keeping these issues in house is potentially criminal.
    
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    August 7, 2019 8:46am
  - cmm
    
    She keeps on banging on that this is a “party matter” and needs to be managed by the party.
    
    That’s like saying domestic violence is a private matter and the cops must just bugger off.
    
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    August 7, 2019 8:52am
    - Swifty
      
      How can it be just a party matter – the allegations allege serious sexual assault.
      
      Just why are the police not yet involved?
      
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      August 7, 2019 9:00am
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        “Just why are the police not yet involved?”
        
        It’s not like they don’t have a lot to look at:
        1) The sexual assault allegations etc themselves
        2) Attempting to pervert the course of justice/witness tampering.
        
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        August 7, 2019 9:49am
    - igm
      
      Don’t forget Ardern has a senior ranking friendly plod. Also it is different when the filthy left do it.
      
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      August 7, 2019 9:21am
    - stephieboy
      
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      cmm, false equivalence! I’m sure the police will be called into investigate if warranted !
      
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      August 7, 2019 9:26am
      - cmm
        
        Glad to see you’re back to what you do best.
        
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        August 7, 2019 10:08am
      - srylands
        
        There is something seriously wrong with you.
        
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        August 7, 2019 11:27am
  - Swifty
    
    They’ve just had that, this is now a review of the review!
    
    Why couldn’t they get it right the first time?
    
    How much is this costing the taxpayer?
    
    Oh, and look what Ardern has just said:
    
    ‘Ardern said to the best of her knowledge no official complaints were made to police about the allegations, and that would be the most appropriate place to do so.’
    
    That’s what she’s saying now – but why weren’t the Labour party saying that to the victims when the sexual assaults happened, rather than OKaying only a ‘victim-centered internal investigation’?
    
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    August 7, 2019 8:56am
    - hullkiwi
      
      Swiftly, it’s a case of the same issue, same evidence and the same accusations with yet another review in the hope they can come up with a different result. However the end game will be the same (criminal?) accusations that will still require a police investigation!
      
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      August 7, 2019 11:57am
  - freethinker
    
    But receives praise when deserved – meanwhile at the standard – just hate.
    
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    August 7, 2019 9:00am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Listen to the interview the PM gave Mike Hosking yesterday (imbedded in the Herald link above).
    
    She hasn’t got a clue as to whether the complainants were listened to or treated fairly.
    
    She thinks a Cover-up is a “Thorough investigation”.
    
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    August 7, 2019 9:29am
    - stephieboy
      
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      MW, a bit of the old clutching at straws there?
      
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      August 7, 2019 9:40am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I realise you have a history on this blog of:
        
        (1) trying to belittle me every time I post a story about how powerful people cover up assault complaints
        
        and
        (2) stalking me by attaching inane comments to my posts.
        
        Have you figured out yet that this tells the readership of KB much more about you and your character than it bothers me?
        
        I don’t have much time for folks who enable abusers to flourish.
        
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        August 7, 2019 10:14am
      - herb1
        
        Stephie , if you could think dispassionately you’d realise the PM is once again covering up a crime.
        A rape has allegedly occurred , also allegedly , by one of her staff.
        Yet she has initially covered it up , and is now trying to do so again.
        Rape is a criminal offence It is not up to the PM or any of her enablers , to hold a private investigation.
        It is a Police matter and I wonder if ,by trying to cover it up , she herself has committed a crime.
        on top of her obvious personal involvement in the drug dealers citizenship and the Labour camp abuse , one wonders if the Ardern sees herself as above the law
        
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        August 7, 2019 11:39am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Stephie – the PM has known about this for months. The alleged offender is known personally to her and to Grant Robertson. She’s only calling for a review now because the genie is out of the bottle. She has managed this abysmally.
    
    Also, the silence from Jan Logie, the Green Party’s expert in matters of sexual abuse, is deafening. What about the victims Ms Logie? #Metoo
    
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    August 7, 2019 10:26am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Stephie, have they called the police in then? NO, then the investigation is like all previous investigations, a Labour Party attempt at whitewash!
    
    PS. When are you going to answer my questions or are you still through squirrels because the CoL has lost control of it’s own agenda?
    
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    August 7, 2019 11:02am
- Gravelroad
  
  To be fair to Ms Ardern she is now being consistently undermined by those around her. The Labour hierarchy have been emboldened to believe that can do what they like and are untouchable.
  There are a lot of arrogant MP’s and back office troughers who will do anything to cling on to their unexpected taxpayer funded positions – even to the extent that they are willing to throw their leader under a bus.
  
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  August 7, 2019 8:35am
  - cmm
    
    What did they really want her for? Just being a vote getter.
    
    Sure the Labour talent puddle is shallow, but she’s probably the least talented of the lot.
    
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    August 7, 2019 9:01am
  - Tall Man
    
    “To be fair to ms ardern”….
    
    Hang on my friend, the rot starts at the top and she has “bred” a culture of total obfuscation and dishonesty. Why would anyone expect “loyalty and honesty” from the ragtag bunch including “what’s in it for wynston”.
    
    The labour party was in the doldrums @ 25% and just didn’t have the “strength” to put up a qualifies bunch of candidates so they scraped the barrel and got “selected” with neither the talent, skill or integrity that a “strong” party would have.
    
    As Kim Beazley snr said at a Labor state conference in 1970, he blasted his comrades for this movement toward insanity and chaos:
    
    “When I joined the Labor Party, it contained the cream of the working class. But as I look about me now all I see are the dregs of the middle class. And what I want to know is when you middle class perverts are going to stop using the Labor Party as a spiritual spitoon.”
    
    https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/bill-muehlenberg/2010/08/australia-s-new-class/
    
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    August 7, 2019 9:08am
- Happychappy
  
  Yesterday Labour came out saying they will do a independent review, but my question is how can it be independent and justice for those that have resigned or have laid complaints when the review is being carried out by the Labour Parties Laywer.
  https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/labour-investigation-into-staffer-reviewed-independently
  Their President is evasive,uncooperative and the results can’t be challenged. Is this Labbour Party Democracy or dictatorship to hide a or several sexual crimes.
  
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  August 7, 2019 8:36am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Hiding crimes of any type is a crime in itself. Surely the Minister of Justice should have been able to point that out.
    
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    August 7, 2019 11:05am
- cas
  
  I would have thought Melanie Reid would have been all over this rather than TV 3
  
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  August 7, 2019 10:09am
  - marcw
    
    Melanie is still in PTSD after her ~~hit~~ coup story on JLR was ambushed. She sat on this for 9 months, waiting I presume for the most opportune and damaging time to unleash it on the National Party. (Presumably just prior to an election). Then it was gazumped by the details being revealed in Parliament. So sad, … that was her ‘story’ grenade dead.
    
    Possibly still on sympathy leave from the commissariat.
    
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    August 7, 2019 11:26am
Simon

Ardern is covering for a top Labo insider from sexual assault allegations including rape. Senior Labour party hacks used their power and influence over the vulnerable victims to silence them, to their obvious detriment, and prevent them going to the police.

Labour, with the blessing of Ardern treated its own people, sexual assault victims, like garbage.

Thats it then top Labour people like Ardern are raw sewage who cant see past managing the narrative at all costs.
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August 7, 2019 8:19am
- ldypen
  
  Well at least no pony tails were pulled.. if that had happened then all hell would surely have broken loose!
  
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  August 7, 2019 8:35am
  - Tall Man
    
    And rightly so…. we all know that only “white supremacists” pull ponytails…. lefties go in for the “pervy” stuff.
    
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    August 7, 2019 9:11am
- Inandout
  
  I think Parliamentary Privilege overrides most things, as Winston found when he once (or twice) used it. It is a most useful tool for the forgotten voices out there, but it takes a gutsy MP to use it.
  
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  August 7, 2019 9:18am
Hugh Pavletich

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… NEW ZEALAND …

QV figures show property values on a long slow decline in Auckland, starting to head downwards in several other regions … Greg Ninness … Interest Co NZ

https://www.interest.co.nz/property/101060/qv-figures-show-property-values-long-slow-decline-auckland-starting-head-downwards

Average residential property values in Auckland are continuing to slowly but steadily decline, according to the latest figures from Quotable Value.

QV says the average value of residential properties in Auckland declined for the eighth consecutive month in July, down from $1,050,647 in November last year to $1,025,389 in July this year. Across the region average values were 2.6% lower in July than they were in July last year, and 0.8% lower than they were three months ago. …

… Areas where average values are down compared to three months ago include parts of central, north west and south east Hamilton, plus Tauranga, Whakatane, Rotorua and Taupo, all of Wellington City, Christchurch’s central, northern and hills suburbs, Timaru, Queenstown Lakes, and Dunedin central, north and south. … read more via hyperlink above …
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Major and belated announcements by Housing Minister Megan Woods ( substantially revamped KiwiBuild ) and Urban Development Minister Phil Twyford ( land supply / urban limits abolition and proper debt financing of infrastructure ) by the end of August … following a recent announcement by Environment Minister David Parker of a major overhaul of New Zealand’s land use law ( Resource Management Act ) …

Government to transform Resource Management Act (land use / planning) to increase affordable housing … Henry Cooke … Stuff New Zealand

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/114460844/government-to-transform-resource-management-act-to-increase-affordable-housing?cid=app-iPad

The Government is moving to transform the nebulous Resource Management Act (RMA), the main law that constrains development in New Zealand.

The reform will look to increase affordable housing development and radically reduce complexity, while also increasing freshwater quality and fighting climate change. … read more via hyperlink above …

… and the important late March speech by (now ) Urban Development Minister Phil Twyford …

New Zealaned (then Housing) Urban Development Minister Phil Twyfords speech to the New Zealand Initiative Members Retreat … New Zealand Government / Beehive

https://www.beehive.govt.nz/speech/speech-nz-initiative-members%E2%80%99-retreat
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- Hugh Pavletich
  
  Aussie construction PMI enters free fall … MacroBusiness Au ( partially behind paywall )
  
  https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/08/aussie-construction-pmi-enters-free-fall/
  
  Don’t say we didn’t warn you, Recessionberg. Via AIG: … read more via hyperlink above …
  
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  August 7, 2019 10:56am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    Following the Labour – led NZ Government’s announcements later this month, opening up land supply and proper infrastructure debt financing, we can expect Australian production home builders coming here, to assist in ramping up new and far more affordable production.
    
    Better still … the American ones such as D R Horton … Americas largest … check out their average house & land package pricing WOW …
    
    How D.R. Horton, late in the cycle, lifted home closings 13%: ‘It’s all about price’ | Commentary | Mitchell Schnurman | Dallas News
    
    https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2019/08/04/dr-horton-lifts-home-closings-13-late-cycle-price
    
    … extracts …
    
    … But take some comfort in the latest results from D.R. Horton, the nation’s largest homebuilder. On Wednesday, the Arlington company reported that home closings soared 13% in the latest quarter, extending a streak of double-digit gains that started in 2012.
    
    Horton is on pace to close almost 57,000 homes this fiscal year, finally topping its previous peak in 2006, just before the housing crash.
    
    Its stock price has roared back, too. Horton’s market value tops $17 billion, up from $2.9 billion eight years ago. And last week, the company’s board authorized $1 billion in stock buybacks. …
    
    One key to its run: Horton has ramped up construction of lower-priced homes, appealing to first-time buyers and empty-nesters looking for more affordable options. …
    
    … “The demand is there, if you can position and drive a price that they can buy,” Auld said.
    
    Horton has a deep supply of land — 300,000 lots either owned or controlled. And it operates in 87 markets in 29 states. … read more via hyperlink above …
    
    D R HORTON – AMERICA’S LARGEST HOMEBUILDER
    
    https://www.drhorton.com/
    
    … Earlier MacroBusiness Australia ‘United States’ post …
    
    https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/08/weekend-reading-3-4-august-2019/#comment-3403791
    
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    August 7, 2019 2:19pm
Maggie Pie

Can you spot what is wrong with the images shown in this vid?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-vrwFetLq8
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August 7, 2019 8:26am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
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  … APARTMENTS … When will they learn ? …
  
  Student battling to recover apartment deposit ‘an off-the-plans lesson’ … Susan Edmunds … Stuff NZ
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/114799219/student-battling-to-recover-apartment-deposit-an-offtheplans-lesson
  
  An Auckland student who is facing the loss of a $60,000 deposit on an apartment is just one example of how buying off the plans can be tricky, one mortgage broker says.
  
  Bridie Campbell, 24, said she inherited money two years ago, when her father died.
  
  She decided to invest it in a 45 square metre, one-bedroom-plus-study apartment with a carpark in the Sugartree apartment complex Altro, in central Auckland … read more via hyperlink above …
  
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  August 7, 2019 8:43am
  - Tall Man
    
    Reported yet again. This post does not deal with Maggies’s post but is just “hugh spam”.
    
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    August 7, 2019 9:14am
    - White Anglo Saxon Protestant
      
      Does that work in General debate?
      
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      August 7, 2019 10:22am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      To be fair Tall Man, I think Hugh has merely hit the wrong button.
      
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      August 7, 2019 10:28am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Tony Stuart … Correct … just one below where it should have been.
        
        Comments on the actual story … instead of me … would be appreciated !
        
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        August 7, 2019 10:38am
      - Tall Man
        
        I realise that but hugh must be a couple of sandwiches short of a picnic as he continually trolls his wares on here until they are voted into oblivion.
        
        I expect stupidity from steffy etc but obviously hugh wants to be in the same club.
        
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        August 7, 2019 10:50am
- stephieboy
  
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  Maggie Pie, the roped black man must bring a purring joy to your heart?
  
  Tall Man , you too?
  
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  August 7, 2019 9:44am
Straight arrow

“We appreciate the fact that the tangata whenua of this land is sharing their land to let us stay in this country as their fellow human beings, we totally appreciate that.”
So says a refugee who also says as “someone who herself is an indigenous person, she loves to study Māori issues.”
This from a RNZ Jesse Mulligan interview 31/7/2019.
Quick question, is she indigenous if she now lives in NZ?

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/afternoons/audio/2018706593/refugee-stories-from-around-new-zealand
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August 7, 2019 8:26am
- cmm
  
  By that definition everyone is indigenous.
  
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  August 7, 2019 8:48am
- Swifty
  
  Sorry, she’s indigenous to where?
  
  Myanmar?
  
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  August 7, 2019 8:49am
  - stephieboy
    
    Swifty and coy
    
    “So says a refugee who also says as “someone who herself is an indigenous person, she loves to study Māori issues.”
    
    Commonsense suggest country of origin eg Iraq, Syria etc
    
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    August 7, 2019 9:29am
    - Swifty
      
      Commonsense suggests she’s from Iraq or Syria you say Stiffy?
      
      Then why does the article say she’s ethnic Rohingya, Born in Myanmar?
      
      I guess common sense is not that common in the Stiffy basement?
      
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      August 7, 2019 10:27am
- alloytoo
  
  We’re all indigenous people “Somewhere.”
  
  But if you follow that to it’s ridiculous conclusion that somewhere is probably the African savannah.
  
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  August 7, 2019 8:50am
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    The most common definition is essentially that you are indigenous to a place if you have ancestors who were there before anyone else.
    
    Most of us, including Maori, are indigenous to the UK, Ireland, various other European countries, and all places that our African ancestors passed through to get to England.
    
    Of course you probably should shouldn’t try going to any of those places and trying to assert your ‘indigenous rights’.
    
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    August 7, 2019 9:27am
    - Swifty
      
      The word has been hijacked.
      
      The proper meaning of indigenous is ‘originating from’ or ‘occurring naturally in a place’ – and has been used as that referring to plants, animals, insects etc etc since Adam was a cowboy.
      
      I agree, some people now use it as ‘humans who were first in a place’ but that is recent and I believe used for political purposes to disguise the fact that they are immigrants too.
      
      If Maori, for example, want to label themselves as ‘first here’ or ‘first nation’ they can fill their boots. That is not misleading and nobody can argue with that.
      
      But don’t give me this indigenous crap. They arrived here just a few hundred years before whitey. They no more ‘originate’ from here than anyone else does.
      
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      August 7, 2019 10:09am
      - Jack5
        
        It’s become a political word, Swifty, used by radicals to universalise problems of minorities from the Laplanders in Sweden and Norway to the Mbuti and still shorter pygmies of the Congo basin.
        
        The strategy: universalise minorities’ difficulties and blame them all on Westernisation, known to the radicals as “colonialisation”.
        
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        August 7, 2019 10:32am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Maori also don’t know where they came from. Hawaiiki, little Hawaii, is a smallish area in the Eastern Pacific. The tribes arrived independently. Linguistics are not definitive. There are affinities to the Cooks and I have heard a Ngai Tahu Elder claim a link to Easter Island.
        
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        August 7, 2019 1:15pm
- cmm
  
  This young woman did not come to NZ to share land with Maori. She came for the white colonial stuff.
  
  If she really came to share land with Polynesians etc she would have gone to Fiji, Cook Islands or, better still, PNG to get a far more authentic experience.
  
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  August 7, 2019 8:56am
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    cmm, she is merely being aware and understanding of the situation here unlike a white South African such as you.
    
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    August 7, 2019 9:31am
    - Jack5
      
      Stephie X: noted that the Auckland Stephiestani community thinks white South Africans are culturally less similar to New Zealanders than Stephiestanis are.
      
      Did you mother let you slip off the camel’s back when you were a baby, Stephie?
      
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      August 7, 2019 10:03am
    - Swifty
      
      That’s RACIST!!!!!!
      
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      August 7, 2019 10:28am
    - cmm
      
      stephie: I will not tolerate you calling me a white South African any longer.
      
      I am not a white South African. I was once, but am no longer – not for over 20 years. My South African citizenship ended 6 months after I took NZ citizenship.
      
      I am a New Zealand citizen and a Canadian citizen.
      
      In the future please call me a Kiwi or a Canukistani if you feel the need to slur my nationality.
      
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      August 7, 2019 11:07am
      - calendar girl
        
        Well said, cmm. SB thrives on attacking the messenger rather than the issue under discussion. He can be a nasty little so-and-so.
        
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        August 7, 2019 12:47pm
  - Jack5
    
    CMM is spot on. The refugee, Tamesuddin, is in New Zealand because it is a Western country. She wouldn’t be going to university in Samoa, Tonga, or the Cook Islands.
    
    She could have stayed in Bangladesh, which is culturally, religiously, linguistically, and racially homogenous home for the Rohingya. But that was no choice compared with getting into the UN-run push of Muslim refugees into Western countries.
    
    Her views show that the Mangere Refugee Centre is first stop in a State-backed system that is conditioning refugees with Leftist, Maori separatist propaganda.
    
    The Institute on Statelessness and Inclusion, advertised in a banner in the photograph with the refugee in Auckland, is a Dutch-founded organisation that pushes for multiculturism.
    
    A valid alternative to multiculturism – a superior and intelligent alternative – is assimilation, the model which enable America to absorb tens of millions of immigrants and turn their children, and often them as well, into patriotic Americans.
    
    There’s something for National and ACT: sweep out of the refugee resettlement system the radicals with their Leftism and irrational mixture of: racially separatist propaganda (when it comes to white Westerners); and separatist propaganda when it comes to indigenous people.
    
    They ought to watch what’s going on at the Mangere Refugee Resettlement Centre.
    
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    August 7, 2019 9:59am
    - Jack5
      
      Whoops!
      
      Edit: … sweep out of the refugee resettlement system the radicals with their Leftism and irrational mixture of: ~~racially separatist~~ > multiculturist propaganda (when it comes to Westerners); and separatist propaganda when it comes to indigenous people.
      
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      August 7, 2019 10:10am
    - SGA
      
      A valid alternative to multiculturism – a superior and intelligent alternative – is assimilation, the model which enable America to absorb tens of millions of immigrants and turn their children, and often them as well, into patriotic Americans.
      
      That’s probably overstating it, Jack5. Various waves of immigration saw distinct sub-communities form in various places (e.g., Irish, Italians, Chinese, Dutch). There wasn’t a sudden abandonment of their brand of food, religion, or language. Assimilation was often intergenerational, and it wasn’t necessarily a one-way street (thinking of food, in particular).
      
      In the present day, California, for example, shows the influence of Spanish-speaking immigrants in all sorts of ways – they haven’t been quietly assimilated. There’s a mixture of multiculturism and assimilation going on (and that’s probably true of the USA historically).
      
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      August 7, 2019 11:23am
      - cmm
        
        There are many parts to assimilation:
        1) The cosmetic stuff like language, food etc where there is still rich diversity. That is the diversity that matters.
        2) Economic and national: do they participate and sign up to “The American Dream” and see themselves as Americans? That is the assimilation that really matters.
        
        Many of the immigrants to USA from 1920-1950 could not handle being “American” and went back. About a third of Italians did that.
        
        The welfare state has distorted things now. People coming for the welfare have no incentive to assimilate in any way.
        
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        August 7, 2019 1:32pm
      - SGA
        
        Economic and national: do they participate and sign up to “The American Dream” and see themselves as Americans? That is the assimilation that really matters.
        
        Bernie Saunders sees himself as American, so does Donald Trump, as do the leaders of the NAACP, ACLU, and the KKK (whoever they may be). “see yourself as americans” isn’t very diagnostic.
        
        Many of the immigrants to USA from 1920-1950 could not handle being “American” and went back. About a third of Italians did that.
        
        And many, many more stayed.
        
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        August 7, 2019 2:01pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    PNG is not Polynesia but Melanesian–distinctly different.
    
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    August 7, 2019 1:16pm
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      I am aware of that, which is why I said Polynesian etc.
      
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      August 7, 2019 1:36pm
- Straight arrow
  
  Second question: Why is she not thanking the other 85 percent of New Zealanders who “let” her stay in this country?
  
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  August 7, 2019 11:36am
kowtow

Karl du Fresne nails it.

‘On Ihumatao, child uplifts, the media and a few other things’

A great read.

http://karldufresne.blogspot.com/2019/08/on-ihumatao-uplifts-media-and-few-other.html
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August 7, 2019 8:28am
- Straight arrow
  
  If there is one thing you read today, his blog should be it.
  Over the past little it has become so apparent that if it wasn’t for citizen journalists, such as those on Kiwiblog and a couple of others, who have taken the time to dig further into the facts, we would still be in the dark about many issues: Ihumatao is just the latest. So a salute to all those who contribute positively.
  
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  August 7, 2019 9:22am
  - Martin Williams
    
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    Du Frenzy is the one in the dark.
    
    What’s all this rubbish about TKAM owning the land?
    
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    August 7, 2019 10:17am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      What’s with the name-calling Martin? Surely you can string a few coherent words together without ad homina.
      
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      August 7, 2019 10:30am
- Martin Williams
  
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  Cry-baby piece from a big cry-baby.
  
  Real Reds-under-the-bed stuff at the end.
  
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  August 7, 2019 9:51am
  - Jack5
    
    Nuts, Martin, Karl du Fresne has written a thoughtful piece. He’s a former reporter, and as a reader I think this extract from his post is particularly relevant:
    
    The professional scepticism that journalists once cultivated has largely vanished as older hands have retired or been purged. The younger journalists who have succeeded them are like blotting paper, uncritically absorbing fashionable ideological views.
    
    This is reflected in the diving circulations of the main print outlets – Stuff, and NZ Media and Entertainment (the Hooerald etc).
    The radical ravers are wiping out at least half of the newspapers’ potential market.
    
    The internet is contributing to the obsolesence of the print media, but the radicals are dragging the organisations under more quickly.
    
    It’s not as if a balanced alternative is available in the State’s radio and TV. They are also infested by the Left.
    
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    August 7, 2019 10:26am
  - Batman
    
    Really lacking a substantive rebuttal there, Martin.
    
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    August 7, 2019 10:31am
- Straight arrow
  
  I noted that TVNZ was describing Ihumatao as “sacred” last night. No, it has been claimed as sacred, but refuted by all legitimate authorities.
  
  Another concern is bookshops. Remember Whitcoulls withdrawing Peter Jordanson’s book. And a book called “Pakeha Slaves, Maori Masters: The forgotten story of New Zealand’s White Slaves” by Trevor Bentley, which used to be available there, is no longer listed. Why?
  
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  August 7, 2019 11:06am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Read this if you read nothing else today, I assure you that you will not regret it
  
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  August 7, 2019 11:33am
- Ross12
  
  I irony I find with the continued decline in newspaper circulation figures is the newspapers have changed to being aimed at younger people but that audience is getting news, if they are interested, from online sources ( more likely Face Book etc than a online newspaper). Those of us who have had a genuine interest in news over the years have been turn off by the change and are cancelling subscriptions in increasing numbers.
  So the publishers have shot themselves in the foot and have not reacted to it even though this has been happening for 10-15 years now.
  They like to blame it on technology, which had some part to play, but they ignore the main reasons as Karl has explained so well.
  
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  August 7, 2019 2:30pm
oldpark

Been watching the track record of a guy called Angry Andrew Little over the last wee while.
He first appeared as the top dog with EPMU. Yes his union was in charge at Pike River. Figure that.
Next he stood for the electoral seat of New Plymouth twice. He virtually got run out of town for that failed endeavour.
Next he was made the Leader of the Labour Party.
Yes another failure there as well. He got dumped there as well.
Even though he was as useless as an ashtray in a wind tunnel.When Peters selected Labour in 2017 as NZ Government. Angry Andy got the job as Justice Minister.
One of his tricks was to attempt to dump the law known as Three Strikes. Another failure as Mr Peters didnt think that Angry Andy was singing from the same hymn sheet as Peters Party.
Now the latest news is that Angry Andy is about once more being shown his pedigree on his haste to reform the so called abortion law.
Mr Peters it is said there has to be a referendum on Littles abortion haste.
Talk about getting the bums rush. It now seems that Little is only as good as Winston Peters allows him to be.
Littles track record on most things is completely abysmal and surely he will leave a legacy of being the nearly MP on most of his ill considered schemes.What a bloody embarrassment to his Party and NZ a failed flailing Politician.
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August 7, 2019 8:30am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  And he always comes across as a grumpy prick as well.
  Total waste of space.
  
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  August 7, 2019 8:58am
- Fletch
  
  You forgot his $1.5 million spend-up on the criminal justice summit which achieved nothing…
  
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  August 7, 2019 9:36am
  - lifesgood
    
    Remember the lefty MSM showing him with a halo around his head prior to the election. Great for a laugh, eh?
    
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    August 7, 2019 12:02pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  In 2008, when Jonathan Young first won New Plymouth, it was New Zealand’s most marginal electorate. In 2011 Andrew Little stood for Labour, and Young’s majority blossomed to around 5000. When Little stood again in 2014, Young turned New Plymouth into a National fortress, with a majority of almost 10,000.
  
  It’s called the Little Effect 😀
  
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  August 7, 2019 10:33am
  - hullkiwi
    
    With, the Captsin’s call on oil and gas, any bets on what Young’s majority will be next year?
    
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    August 7, 2019 12:12pm
- Nermal
  
  A referendum on this will only confirm that most Kiwis support abortion to 20 weeks.
  
  A shame Winston doesn’t demand a referendum on the Maori seats, as per his election promise
  
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  August 7, 2019 5:08pm
freethinker

No mention on AM of the current Labour sex scandal, ditto Stuff but brownie points to the Herald and Barry Sopers criticism of ardern in talking a lot but saying nothing -“empty vessels make the most noise”. Perhaps some in the MSM see the NZSS Titanic going full steam ahead for the iceberg of recession with the Craptain ardern checking the napkins in the kindie lounge.
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August 7, 2019 8:33am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  An interesting point has been made by a commenter over on YSB…
  I spoke with a contact in the Media just the other day-There is definite ill feeling toward Ardern for barking orders at them and dictating what they can and can’t report.
  My contact confirms though that Fairfax/Stuff will continue to gush over her as they are desperately hoping for a Govt bailout..
  
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  August 7, 2019 10:21am
  - Swifty
    
    And that is exactly the reason why they, and any other media organisation, shouldn’t receive any public money, ever.
    
    It makes the receiver beholding to the giver.
    
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    August 7, 2019 11:18am
KevO'Brien

US Defence Sec. recently in NZ
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/465910-inf-china-pentagon-missiles-contain/

US turning attention to China. Aus and NZ being courted.
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August 7, 2019 8:38am
MCos

Bloke kills people in Chch live on Facebook

Good Bitches Baking banned by Facebook for using profanity
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August 7, 2019 8:43am
- cmm
  
  And definitely no breast feeding!
  
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  August 7, 2019 8:50am
- alloytoo
  
  I cancelled my Facebook account.
  
  Did more for my “Wellbeing” than Jacinda has.
  
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  August 7, 2019 8:59am
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    alloy too, Mark Zuckerberg will be saying ouch!
    
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    August 7, 2019 9:35am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  I’ve always found it utterly bizarre that US culture is OK with gratuitous violence on TV; people getting heads blown off, evisceration, truly grusome dehumanising nastiness and torture-porn like Saw etc, but get prissy and up-in-arms over “F-bombs” and nipples. Just nuts.
  
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  August 7, 2019 9:36am
Happychappy

This has been Labour, NZ First and the Greens number one agenda since day one and now finally a Journalist has put his view in print.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/forestry/news/article.cfm?c_id=47&objectid=12255678
They Rail and public transport as the way forward and farming is not on the agenda even though Winston makes out he is the saviour and a safe bet for Agriculture.
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August 7, 2019 8:52am
secondcumming

Delete option still not working?
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August 7, 2019 9:04am
lastmanstanding

Ive sometimes wondered what would have happened if the WhiteMother……s hadnt arrived here until a 100 years years later.

Would they have found that the indigenous peoples had killed and eaten each other to the existent that they had wiped themselves out.

Just pondering the outcome.
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August 7, 2019 9:15am
- stephieboy
  
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  lastmanstanding,
  
  whatever!
  
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  August 7, 2019 9:37am
  - Jack5
    
    Roster change at the Stephie syndicate!
    
    Trouble with typing, spelling, punctuation, and 1940s-subcontinent idiom. ?
    
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    August 7, 2019 10:06am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Nah, they had a stable culture, with more violent northern tribes predating less violent southern tribes. Given enough time they might have eventually transitioned to more sophisticated stone-aged nation states like Central and southern america.
  
  Guns germs and steel and domesticated food animals really shook things up after Cook arrived.
  
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  August 7, 2019 9:42am
- MCos
  
  Abel Tasman arrived here in 1642 & Cap’n Cook in 1769.
  Tasman had little effect on the country so not much difference.
  
  As it happens between 1840 and the end of the century it was thought Māori were a dying race due to plummeting numbers after five hundred years of growth.
  
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  August 7, 2019 9:54am
- Kabull
  
  Those that remained would be speaking French.
  
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  August 7, 2019 1:09pm
Cunningham

I heard some lady on the AM Show this morning talking about the referendum saying she doesn’t want some man voting on the abortion bill because it’s a women’s choice. That really infuriates me because a baby is made from a women and a man. I’m actually in favor of the bill at this stage but why shouldn’t men get to have a view on this subject?
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August 7, 2019 9:27am
graham

I heard Julie-Anne Genter on the radio yesterday saying, “The letter highlighted the Green Party’s position on aspects of the transport project … I do not consider it in the public interest to provide the member with further detail about the contents of the letter”.

Sorry??? A major component of a $6.4 billion project has been put on hold for a decade apparently as a direct consequence of this letter, a component which will have a major impact on transport in the country’s capital, and it’s “not in the public interest”?!

Forget all the flim-flammery and all the political machinations for a moment. By ANY reasonable definition of the phrase “public interest”, SURELY this has to qualify.

As Chris Bishop quite rightly said, JAG is deluded if she thinks there is no public interest in a letter between Ministers that discusses $6.4 billion in taxpayer spending and 20-plus years of Wellington transport projects.

Here’s what we know:

• The Let’s Get Wellington Moving recommended programme of investment proposed a second Mt Victoria tunnel be built between 2024 and 2029.
• A second Mt Victoria Tunnel was the third most-popular project consulted on by the LWGM group.
• A draft Cabinet Paper on LGWM was circulated on March 25. Julie Anne Genter wrote to Phil Twyford two days later.
• Minister Twyford then requested an aide memoire on options for walking and cycling in the Mt Victoria Tunnel and on potential timing of the roading vs public transport projects.
• A further memo was requested on April 5 about “Potential downsides of removing or delaying the second Mt Victoria Tunnel”.
• When the final LGWM package was announced in May, completion of the second Mt Victoria Tunnel had been pushed back to between 2030 and 2034.

But the contents of this letter are deemed as “not in the public interest”.

Julie-Anne Genter is deluded.
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August 7, 2019 9:28am
- kevn
  
  A car hater with JAG as her initials. Must really grind her gears.
  Just say it slowly as Clarkson does, j..a..g.
  
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  August 7, 2019 10:26am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Perhaps it is just as well Wellington’s been put on hold even if accidentally through bad politics.
  
  There are already two tunnels through Mt Victoria. Each appears in a small canyon and proceeds into a narrow street. One now carries buses instead of trams and the other is the main general throughway. Hataitai to the Eastern Suburbs is busy. The road area available is too narrow for widening. A second level may be just possible but that would empty into the traffic flows coming over the hill at the other end.
  
  Wellington needs to be considered from the basics. Take a small paddling pool, cover its floor with tin cans, then see how easy it is for any one of those to move from one place to another. In my view, with the limited corridor space, its now either cars or humans. The hills are all built up and road space is narrow and not growable. How do you provide terminus and redirection areas when hills control traffic flows?
  
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  August 7, 2019 1:44pm
rightoverlabour

I got my knuckles wrapped for “doxxing” yesterday. I guess I am an amateur compared to this bunch!

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dem-email-addresses-associated-with-clinton-senate-campaign-exposed
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August 7, 2019 9:44am
- Batman
  
  They can accept their own legal risk ?
  
  And it appears that it’s a widespread issue across the aisle:
  
  “Upguard researchers said that they have previously reported on two “significantly larger exposures,” including a data analytics provider exposing the Republican National Committee’s “enriched voter database,” which included personal information for every registered American voter. That exposure did not reveal email addresses of voters, but rather names, dates of birth, home addresses, phone numbers, and voter registration details, as well as data described as “modeled” voter ethnicities and religions.”
  
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  August 7, 2019 9:47am
- Martin Williams
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Hey Chicken-runner. Why did so many white South Africans abandon their country at the fall of Apartheid?
  
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  August 7, 2019 9:54am
  - alloytoo
    
    “Why did so many white South Africans abandon their country at the fall of Apartheid?”
    
    If you examine all the pertinent statistics concerning the South African education system and economy and the current flight of capital and skills by trained people of all hues, it’s fare to say they were merely early adopters.
    
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    August 7, 2019 10:32am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Hay Xenophobe, probably because they were following their Black Brothers out of the mess…. Not all Saffas in NZ are white. I for one had no intention of leaving, but I could not get work as I was White. So it was starve or emigrate. Now good luck with your tilt at politics or what ever, you ignorant sloth.
    
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    August 7, 2019 10:40am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Now good luck with your tilt at politics or what ever, you ignorant sloth.
      
      Is Martin Williams really standing for some political place?
      
      Has it got anything to do with DEMOCRACY?
      
      Because the Martin Williams posting on KB seems to associate different opinions/foreign surnames with HATE and disloyalty to NZ.
      
      https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/08/general_debate_6_august_2019.html#comment-2534078
      
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      August 7, 2019 11:07am
      - toby1845
        
        I’ve said it before, Martin Williams is going to be personally targeted in the forthcoming local council elections.
        
        Gloves off……
        
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        August 7, 2019 12:48pm
      - rightoverlabour
        
        Can anyone confirm or deny that this Martin Williams is the same one that abuses us here on KB? Unfortunately this name is very common.
        
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/premium/news/article.cfm?c_id=1504669&objectid=12236882
        
        Although nominations for the triennial local government elections don’t open until July 19, at least five are expected to vie for the three seats, after Napier lawyer Martin Williams announced his second bid.
        
        If they are two different people someone needs to get hold of the innocent party and tell him that some twat is besmirching his name here on KB.
        
        If they are the same person, well that should be fun.
        
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        August 7, 2019 3:13pm
      - Martin Williams
        
        Hi toby. You’ve been asking if I’m the Martin Williams standing for elections somewhere and because I didn’t know what you were talking about I hadn’t responded.
        
        I’m not the Martin Williams you and others are referring to – it’s a made up name which happens to be the same as someone else’s. I have no connection at all with Napier lawyer, Martin Williams.
        
        The mods should be able to confirm my ISP is and always has been in Auckland. Er, I think that’s how it works.
        
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        August 7, 2019 10:14pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    I have several emigree South African friends. All have either personally been victims of violent crime or have had close friends and family raped or murdered. Suggest you move there so that you may experience the wondrous society created by ANC rule. Twat.
    
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    August 7, 2019 10:43am
    - cmm
      
      Yup, extreme crime in South Africa is not something abstract and everyone has a personal story (themselves or immediate family members).
      In my case:
      * Two kids I grew up with (one who became a cop) were found guilty of murder.
      * My mother has been robbed at gunpoint.
      * My sister in law has been robbed at gunpoint. Twice.
      * My cousin’s husband was robbed, beaten up and left for dead.
      * Three of my mother’s friends have been murdered.
      * A whole laundry list of home invasions, burglary, car theft,…
      * My sister has steel gates **inside** the house.
      
      Then economic opportunities: Everything has really gone bad in the last 20 or so years – especially the last 5 or so.
      
      Whites (who are most of the highly skilled people) struggle get jobs due to affirmative action – especially in state owned enterprises etc. Previously well run institutions are now corrupt, indebted basket cases – the worst being Eskom – the power utility.
      
      No wonder most skilled people (white and black) have left. There is no way to fix the place.
      
      Affirmative action is directed at whites (jobs, university, training, loans, …) but ultimately everyone loses out.
      
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      August 7, 2019 1:55pm
      - Classic Liberal
        
        ‘affirmative action’ – ooh we need it in racist NZ!!
        
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        August 7, 2019 3:11pm
      - Cobolt24
        
        Currently the unemployment rate stands at 29%.
        
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        August 7, 2019 9:19pm
  - Jack5
    
    I’m not a South African Martin, but anyone who knows rugby knows white South Africans have courage. With Zimbabwe as an example of what’s likely to happen to them, it’s not surprising many whites want out of South Africa.
    
    It’s hard to see how apartheid could have survived in today’s world, but it was broken by international trade sanctions, not by the liberal elite of NZ disrupting football games and threatening to fly aircraft into sports stadiums.
    
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    August 7, 2019 10:45am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Martin, I worked as an Immigration Consultant in the late 1990’s working mainly with South Africans. Almost without exception, they were leaving South Africa because they could see doors closing for their children, and they wanted to provide better opportunities for them. Your caricature of migration out of South Africa as “white flight” is inaccurate, to the point where it is offensive.
    
    My clients were of a variety of ethnicities and backgrounds. I worked with Indian families, primarily from Kwazulu-Natal, Xhosa and Zulu, mixed-race South Africans (coloureds) and both English and Afrikaans speaking whites. My advice to them was always to integrate as much as possible when they got here, as the ones who did that found the transition the easiest.
    
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    August 7, 2019 11:01am
Fletch

I see that yesterday the media joyfully reported that unemployment was the lowest in 11 years and that wages had risen by 4.4%
Good news all around, supposedly. I don’t know whether I’m buying it, since in April the MSD reported the rise in jobseekers by 11%. It turned around in 3 months? I very much doubt it.

DPF reported back then –

The latest MSD data shows the number of people receiving a jobseeker benefit has increased by 13,000 or 10.9% in the last year.

And even bigger growth with hardship assistance. The special needs grants are up 45% and advances up 53%.

https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/04/jobseeker_benefit_numbers_up_11_in_a_year.html
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August 7, 2019 9:53am
- Fletch
  
  https://www.msd.govt.nz/about-msd-and-our-work/publications-resources/statistics/benefit/latest-quarterly-results/jobseeker-support.html
  
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  August 7, 2019 10:18am
- alloytoo
  
  They may call it Jobseeker Support, but it would appear that many on it have stopped seeking.
  
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  August 7, 2019 10:45am
- stephieboy
  
  Fletch,
  
  The unemployment rate was at 3.9 percent in June, down from 4.2 percent in March, Stats NZ reported Tuesday.23 hours ago
  
  New Zealand unemployment rate lowest since before 2008 financial …
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/…/new-zealand-unemployment-rate-lowest-since-before-200
  
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  August 7, 2019 11:23am
  - alloytoo
    
    There are two things happening here.
    
    There is a skills shortage on the high end and as a result they are commanding better salaries.
    
    At the lower end poor business confidence is result in fewer entry level jobs being created, as a result more people are going onto the job seeker benefit (and no, this isn’t as a result of population growth, neither newborns nor recent immigrants qualify for this benefit.) Many of these poor folks are probably becoming despondent and are not actively seeking work. I suspect the labour force participation rate will start trending down soon.
    
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    August 7, 2019 12:08pm
    - Tall Man
      
      More on “disability allowance”.
      
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      August 7, 2019 2:12pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    There are none so blinded as statisticians seek to fool.
    
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    August 7, 2019 1:53pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Maybe. Margin of error in those poll-sampled figures is 0.5-1% so there is a lot of +/- random error. Also percentage of people in work force is dropping and worst of all coalition has been taking on a shit load of people (close to 1% of workforce since they formed govt)
  
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  August 7, 2019 11:57am
  - DigNap15
    
    yes all those COL quangos need to go within the first 60 days
    
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    August 7, 2019 2:47pm
- John Warren
  
  It’s a regular government trick – claiming reduced unemployment by recategorizing some of the unemployed.
  
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  August 7, 2019 6:59pm
Evadne

Quote of the day:

“You have, in fact, not a spark of knowledge, and yet you babble on and on.”
— Martin Luther.

A certain part-time leader comes to mind….
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August 7, 2019 10:11am
- rightoverlabour
  
  or a certain Martin Williams….
  
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  August 7, 2019 10:41am
Surely Knott

Why is Phil Goff proposing to plant $1.5 million more trees? A quick look at Auckland on Google maps satellite and we are covered in them. Waitakere Ranges alone is almost the same area as the higher density inner suburbs. Plus we have the Hunuas. How many trees is the optimal number?
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August 7, 2019 10:14am
- JibberJabber
  
  Cos` the LeftyGreen morons lap that shit up with a spoon.
  
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  August 7, 2019 10:35am
- cmm
  
  He knows he only has to actually plant 4 and mulch another 10 to make compost and he’s already performing better than central government.
  
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  August 7, 2019 11:11am
- KevO'Brien
  
  How many roof tops are there?
  There are also dwarf varieties to help with the numbers or has Jones got those?
  
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  August 7, 2019 1:54pm
Maggie Pie

Laughter is the best medicine 🙂

My partners mum tweets – LOL!!
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EAtwDDbWsAEn_Zj?format=jpg&name=900×900
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August 7, 2019 10:18am
MH

To those interested go to -papers past NZ click on papers and type in Ihumatao (Ishermarter) many fascinating pieces on the land deal, Judge Fenton and the native compensation Court reports and specifically why the lands were appropriated and which tribal members were punished as half the tribe took off to the border Waikato to fight against the Settlers. They put tribal affiliation before law and order and reality, or warfare before accepting the white man was here to stay-we were just another tribe that came with a bigger boat and better armament, but we are now recognised by the colour of our skin first.
Read Mrs Annie McLaughlin’ s account, etc pgs 9,12, 23.30 and so on….abandoned lands. Sometimes I wonder- in this case having not read the claims by Maori whether the Nebulous entity often referred to as the Crown. so as to make it seem impersonal and none of this generations problem or cause, but in reality The Crown is me and you as taxpayers and or descendants of these early settlers who voted in these representatives who in later years turned out to be hydes and bennedict Arnolds or Lord Cookes – of the American persuasion – actually put up much of an argument against paying compensation or countering false claims. Many of the injustices were as a result of pre 1840 internecine warfare and radically altered boundaries and the loss o fighting tribesmen and orators who had knowledge of their land holdings more spiritual than real.
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August 7, 2019 10:27am
- Straight arrow
  
  I use paperspast in a regular basis – great for family history.
  Worth searching parliamentary papers: today I learnt, contrary to my previous understanding, that Maori (at least in Canterbury, and in their own words) wanted the government to subdivide land and issue individual land titles. This was to resolve internal “difficulties and quarrels”. I was taught that the government did it to divide and conquer to get land.
  Always pays to look at source material, but within context.
  
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  August 7, 2019 1:30pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Thanks. I particularly liked the comment about us whites ad our tribe.
  
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  August 7, 2019 1:59pm
kloyd0306

ASB announces ninth successive record profit of $1.275 billion (with a B).

Meanwhile, savings accounts attract an interest rate of 0.1% and term deposit interest rates continue to fall.

Rip off?
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August 7, 2019 11:11am
stephieboy

“Council and police defend shutting down hellfire preacher in Whangārei mall”

Police and the Whangārei District Council are defending their decision to shut down a hellfire-and-brimstone preacher in the city mall.

The preacher was asked to move on after haranguing bemused shoppers in Cameron Street last month.

But free speech campaigners are now challenging the use of the police to silence him….

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/396138/council-and-police-defend-shutting-down-hellfire-preacher-in-whangarei-mall

I think a step too far by the the Whangarei Council and Police.

What do others think?
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August 7, 2019 11:16am
- Maggie Pie
  
  “I’ll put you through stephie.. 🙂
  
  https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBBZMsbWsAAdKdO?format=jpg&name=small
  
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  August 7, 2019 11:44am
- KevO'Brien
  
  I’ve had my turn and the law is the law.
  
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  August 7, 2019 3:23pm
Swifty

Hamas leader and spokesperson wants every Jew dead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPkR9mWGre4

I wonder who NZ’s ‘useful idiots’ are?

Are there any in Northcote I wonder?
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August 7, 2019 11:31am
Tony Stuart

Julie Anne Genter is going to have more questions to answer this afternoon, but this time in her role of Minister for Women:

Hon PAULA BENNETT to the Minister for Women: Does she stand by her statement, “We know there is a huge amount of work to do to make things better for women … and this Government is absolutely committed to that work”, and does that work cover unacceptable behaviour ranging from bullying and intimidation to sexual harassment and sexual assault?
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August 7, 2019 11:57am
- Kevin Herlihy
  
  With respect to Paula, the question as posted seems a little odd verging on the absurd. Perhaps Paula needs to qualify her question with more precise language.
  For instance is she asking Julie Ann to guarantee the personal safety of all women?
  
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  August 7, 2019 1:46pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Paula was setting a trap for Genter and led her to affirm her previous utterances.
    Genter this afternoon was trying to claim everything is being caused by……Climate Change.
    
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    August 7, 2019 3:21pm
- Gravelroad
  
  Ms Genter visibly relaxed when it came to that question. It just required a “yes” answer.
  Not so confident with the transport letter situation though. A lot of deflecting and non- answers with the support and assistance of a smirking Eugenie Sage beside her.
  All the National Party members asking the questions seemed wooden and lacking in any vigour.
  Can only assume this is some sort of strategy to appear “ gravely concerned” – or something.
  
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  August 7, 2019 5:27pm
Maggy Wassilieff

For those who missed Last night’s little exchange with stephieboy… he is now trying to back away from the fact that he has repeatedly on this blog tried to link me with the alt-right and neo-Naziism.

https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/08/general_debate_6_august_2019.html/comment-page-1#comment-2534424
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August 7, 2019 11:59am
- Swifty
  
  Own your shit Stiffy.
  
  Don’t be a weasel.
  
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  August 7, 2019 12:14pm
- sooty
  
  Why won’t they ban him!
  Someone needs to go St Albans and call Ralph out in front of the whole church!
  I can’t hardly ever in Ak!
  Just about did when he told me to stick a single use plastic bag on my head. But I live too far!
  
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  August 7, 2019 12:18pm
  - Nermal
    
    Some advice – take a deep breath and:
    
    1. Don’t feed the trolls. It only encourages them
    
    2. Don’t wrestle with pigs. They enjoy it, and you’ll end up covered in shit.
    
    3. Ignore obnoxious children. They will either get bored and go elsewhere, or will go full retard to get attention and fall foul of the mods
    
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    August 7, 2019 5:32pm
- John Warren
  
  Just that one party, all those years ago…
  
  Seriously though, good on you for digging all that up.
  
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  August 7, 2019 12:29pm
- Biscuit
  
  Maggy, he’s an irritant.
  
  But you only need to look at the number of times his posts are ‘Hidden due to low comment rating’ as compared to your ones as to realise which voice resonates more with your average Kiwiblogger.
  
  I think he’s beating you there by 19248727412741 to, um, two plus four carry the one over ZERO…
  
  Once again, I’d offer you one of my Rocky Road Mallowpuffs to help you get over your angst at the prat but
  a) you don’t seem the sort to need such comfort and
  b) you DO seem the sort to eat my offering ANYWAY. Gasp, eh?
  
  Hope your day is going well…
  
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  August 7, 2019 1:02pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    @Biscuit
    
    I took abuse from anonymous commenters on this site for a couple of years without really fighting back.
    
    At first I couldn’t believe the crass, defamatory stuff Griff was able to post… and then I had a year or so of abuse about my mental state from Griff, Mikenmild and steffyboy…and that’s water off a duck’s back to me.
    
    But I draw the line at folks trying to bring my family/friends/acquaintances into their abuse.
    So any association of Wassilieff with neo-Nazi/anti-semitic thought is going to get a full-on response.
    
    There is only one (extended) family in NZ with this surname and stephieboy needs to thing long & hard as to why and how that Family is in NZ and not Germany or Russia.
    
    Martin Williams should also think long and hard before he posts a declarative questioning smear about my loyalty to NZ.
    
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    August 7, 2019 1:42pm
    - Biscuit
      
      Good response, Maggy.
      
      I am besties with a Polish chap of my age, a few (only a few, sadly) of whose family (somehow) managed to get out Poland during the War and over here to live their lives in New Zealand … and to enrich New Zealand society.
      
      I loves me my food, heh heh, and my three favourite cuisines are Thai, Japanese … and Polish.
      
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      August 7, 2019 1:54pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Preserved meat Polish style is wonderful as is Hungarian.
        
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        August 7, 2019 3:17pm
- Poppa
  
  Steph is very low on medication & has been taking it sparingly of late
  
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  August 7, 2019 1:18pm
- Garbageman
  
  You must need a damn good shower after dealing with those two Maggy
  
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  August 7, 2019 1:42pm
Gravelroad

Gee, I am over the moon (and back) to learn that “journalist” Jack Tame is “ ready to date again.”
Thanks you so much Stuff for republishing this lengthy, but lovely, magazine feature where a reporter becomes the story.
Will there be a baby?
A wedding even?
Can’t wait – so romantic……
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August 7, 2019 1:15pm
- Biscuit
  
  I guess Neve is too young even for Young Jack?
  
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  August 7, 2019 1:25pm
- Poppa
  
  Jack the man child who thinks he is the new Hosking
  
  I have news for you Jack, it is a wonder you can stand up leaning that far left
  
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  August 7, 2019 1:46pm
- kowtow
  
  And the legacy lame stream media wonder why they’re held in contempt and fast going down the shitter. The news is about the news.
  
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  August 7, 2019 2:14pm
  - Tall Man
    
    This was referred to on YSB and it really is a good read…
    
    http://karldufresne.blogspot.com/2019/08/on-ihumatao-uplifts-media-and-few-other.html
    
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    August 7, 2019 3:15pm
- Inandout
  
  Does he still bat for the other side?
  
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  August 7, 2019 2:57pm
Maggie Pie

BREAKING NEWS:

Shaun Plunket says he is “seriously thinking” about running for Wellington Mayor.
Only has until the 18th of this month to make final decision.

My partner reckons he’d “shit in” 🙂
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August 7, 2019 1:44pm
- Tall Man
  
  Current mayor is quite capable of the shitting thing….. all over his citizens.
  
  He has his eye on the “big prize”….. Parliament.
  
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  August 7, 2019 3:13pm
Evadne

Just read an interesting article in the Herald (really – no sarcasm) about the recent discovery of giant parrot bones in Otago. It was fascinating natural history, and the enthusiasm of the professor was enjoyable to read.

I was struck, incidentally, by the hope it offers those terrified by the prospect of rising global temperatures.

Otago was a subtropical paradise. Fossils of crocodiles and land turtles have also been found at St Bathans. […] “It was a much warmer world, so the forest was as a result quite diverse. There were eucalypts, casuarinas, lots of palms and laurels. We have lost all of that since then.

“So that warm tropical forest supplied lots of seed-bearing plants, and hence many more fruit-eating birds.”

[…] A big cooling in the world’s climate which lowered temperatures by about 8C about 12 million years ago wiped out Otago’s subtropical forests and drastically reduced the bird species.
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August 7, 2019 1:59pm
John Warren

Is it October that GST on online purchases kicks in? Well, my youngest son just requested a particular book for his upcoming 16th birthday. From the Book Depository, NZ$32, free postage. Make that $36.80 if I was to buy it after October. Whitcoulls? Same title $56.10… plus $4.90 delivery.
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August 7, 2019 2:02pm
cmm

When Little and PriNZess go in to bat for New Zealanders being thrown out of Oz do they just mean blokes who traffic drugs and beat up their families, or do they also include this guy?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12255811
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August 7, 2019 3:25pm
- sooty
  
  Labour party member?
  
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  August 7, 2019 4:00pm
KevO'Brien

TODAY
NZ Reserve Bank cuts rates ½%
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-08-06/kiwi-craters-after-rbnz-surprises-traders-50bps-rate-cut

NZ Dollar in free fall.

Grant was proud of this in the House this afternoon.
How can future savings emerge on zero interest rates.
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August 7, 2019 3:31pm
Swifty

Gee, what lovely people some of the Ihumatao protesters are:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12256374

Racist bullies.
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August 7, 2019 3:41pm
- sooty
  
  Were are those Minto batons?
  Why do we not have water canon?
  
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  August 7, 2019 3:59pm
- Straight arrow
  
  Irony knows no bounds. It would appear that this woman (Anikaaro Harawira-Havili) is from Te Tai Tokerau. So, one, not your (traditional) land. And two, a reason that local Iwi left Ihumatao was because they feared Northern Maori (as well as colonial soldiers). Te Tai Tokerau is far North.
  One guess as to who her father is.
  
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  August 7, 2019 4:22pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    John
    
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    August 7, 2019 5:45pm
- kowtow
  
  Won’t hold breath waiting for condemnation comment from various Race / Rights Kommisars.
  
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  August 7, 2019 4:43pm
Piniwi

Other breaking news as the RBNZ “committee” spring a surprise on most financial pundits by cutting the OCR by not just .25% but a whole .50%. It has sent the $NZ into free fall as it too plumbs new depths even lower than the COL has managed before. It poses the obvious question of what they know that we do not or what they might be predicting is ahead? Is their pessimism influenced by the falling COL internal polling?
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August 7, 2019 4:18pm
- rangitoto
  
  Interim GDP figures hinting at a recession on the way?
  
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  August 7, 2019 5:49pm
  - greybeard
    
    Christ Rangitoto, don’t ask us.
    Ask Jacinda, she is the GDP expert.
    
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    August 7, 2019 8:54pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  “$NZ into free fall”
  Music to my rear.
  
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  August 7, 2019 6:16pm
greybeard

My pick for ABs loose forwards vs the Wallabies:
Read, Savea and Fifita to start at 8, 7 and 6 respectively.
Cane on the bench.
1. Cane to replace Savea at 7 if reqd.
2. Cane to replace Fifita at 6 if reqd
( or Savea to 6 and Cane to 7 )
3. Cane to 7 and Savea to 8 if Read goes off
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August 7, 2019 6:48pm
Maggy Wassilieff

So ..the tale of the secret letter that cannot be revealed becomes more interesting

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/114828737/city-councillors-claim-green-party-agreement-used-as-leverage-to-get-agreement-on-lets-get-wellington-moving
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August 7, 2019 7:46pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Looks like Twyford is going to back Genter and keep the letter secret.

Wonder what the Ombudsman will rule.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/08/julie-anne-genter-s-justification-for-refusing-to-release-letter-to-phil-twyford.html
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August 7, 2019 7:54pm
- sooty
  
  What do you reckon does it rubbish or suck up?
  
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  August 7, 2019 8:51pm
tranquil

Great stuff here!

“Trump supporters hold Baltimore clean-up effort” –
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVRtRdaLFyQ
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August 7, 2019 9:43pm
Hugh Pavletich

… UNITED STATES …

… Are United States residential builders, due to competitive pressures, generally increasingly supplying more affordable housing ? …

Homebuilders Have Already Had Their Recession … Seeking Alpha

https://seekingalpha.com/article/4282452-homebuilders-already-recession

https://static.seekingalpha.com/uploads/2019/8/1723581_15650555640171_rId24.png

Amid the volatile backdrop of trade wars and geopolitical uncertainty, the US housing market may be an unlikely stabilizing force. As goes the housing sector, so goes the economy. … read more via hyperlink above …

… Access recent MacroBusiness Au Dallas News D R Horton posting …

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/08/links-5-august-2019/#comment-3404056
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