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JibberJabber

Shaw will be spewing……that he didn`t get to take RNZAF Uber1 to Sicily …https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9629712/prince-harry-google-camp-climate-change-celebrities/

114 Private Jets!
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August 2, 2019 8:00am
- hullkiwi
  
  “114 private jets”, says it all!
  
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  August 2, 2019 9:03am
- The Feed
  
  Another day, another hypocritical climate wankfest.
  
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  August 2, 2019 9:40am
- cmm
  
  Yup, after dropping off their passengers, the jets have to fly a few hundred km km away just to find parking. Talk about a concierge service!
  
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  August 2, 2019 10:29am
- Tall Man
  
  Pretty sure he’ll be first class the whole way at our expense and the hangers on will get the same treatment.
  
  Pigs in the trough.
  
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  August 2, 2019 9:17pm
GazzaW

There’s a strong rumour going around that the PM will be visiting New Zealand next week.
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August 2, 2019 8:01am
- oldgolfer
  
  That is an outrageous lie.
  You know very well the PM is far too busy in her work with Vogue and the UN.
  
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  August 2, 2019 8:45am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  On the way from Tokelau to Tuvalu with a 757 and a C130.
  What is in the C130? It is only a pacific Islands forum, so what is NZ freighting to Tuvalu?
  
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  August 2, 2019 9:11am
  - Tall Man
    
    Feelz and Hugz….. plus a shitload of our money.
    
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    August 2, 2019 9:16am
  - dubya
    
    Haven’t you heard? Labour are starting a Cargo Cult.
    
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    August 2, 2019 9:22am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Eight islands with a population about 10K.
    Is it better than kindergarten visiting?
    
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    August 2, 2019 10:31am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Actually Tokelau comprises three atolls, and at the last census had a population of 1499. There are actually more Tokelauans in Auckland than in Tokelau.
      
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      August 2, 2019 10:49am
      - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
        
        Pacific Island “census” data is always suspect – Aid is counted on a per capita basis, so its important to maximise the number of residents. Niue does the same. they do it at elections too, only for real (extra people are flown home!)
        
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        August 2, 2019 11:54am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Tuvalu has the eight islands.
        
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        August 2, 2019 2:51pm
    - GazzaW
      
      The weather in Tuvalu is much better than NZ at this time of the year Kev.
      
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      August 2, 2019 11:35am
      - sooty
        
        Especially for sunbathing!
        
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        August 2, 2019 2:11pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Yeah? 9 degrees from the equator. It will be be over 30 night and day. The humidity will be a little less than later in the year. Rainfall can be seasonal too.
        
        If you want more agreeable try Tonga.
        
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        August 2, 2019 2:54pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  I loved Gerry Brownlee’s question to Chris Hipkins during the Business Statement yesterday:
  
  BUSINESS STATEMENT
  
  Hon CHRIS HIPKINS (Leader of the House): Legislation to be considered next week will include the first readings of the Electoral Amendment Bill and the Parliamentary Agencies Delegations Legislation Bill, the second reading of the Conservation (Indigenous Freshwater Fish) Amendment Bill, and the remaining stages of the Misuse of Drugs Amendment Bill and the Copyright (Marrakesh Treaty Implementation) Amendment Bill.
  
  Hon GERRY BROWNLEE (National—Ilam): Can the shadow Leader of the House give us some indication as to whether the Prime Minister and Deputy Prime Minister will be available during question time next week—perhaps also an indication if there is any celebration planned for their return to the country?
  
  Brownlee normally has the subtlety of a raging bull, but this was a clever reminder that neither the PM or Deputy PM had fronted at all this week to answer questions in the House. It was the second week back after a three-week recess, and of course the House will again be in recess after next week’s sitting. That however may not have coincided with the Prime Minister’s birthday.
  
  Anyway, good on National for getting the “part-time PM” message out there.
  
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  August 2, 2019 10:36am
  - BananaLlama
    
    I hope they push “The Prime Minister is visiting the country” It’s the most savage burn i have seen of the NZ left yet.
    
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    August 2, 2019 1:01pm
Wangas Feral

I am pushing sixty. My eldest son is early twenties. He has a heart condition and I will probably outlive him. I am very very depressed today.
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August 2, 2019 8:05am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Medicine is continuously improving. Crispr manufactured stem cell injections are already being used to rejuvenate injured areas in elite sportspeople, and 3D bio-printing of organs is getting closer and closer to viability, so every day you survive increases your life expectancy. But yeah, that is a fucking hard load to bear. Very sorry.
  
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  August 2, 2019 8:46am
  - Wangas Feral
    
    Cheers – and I know that with modern care and so forth prognosis is better than ever but …..I remember when my best friend was killed nearly thirty years ago his then elderly father saying that a father should not outlive his children. It has stuck with me ever since.
    
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    August 2, 2019 9:03am
    - Aliog
      
      My oldest daughter was diagnosed with a heart condition as a five year old – it was already too late for treatment. They said she might make her mid to late teens. She’s just turned 38, regularly works 50-60 hour weeks, and travels the world, so I firmly believe that where there’s life, there’s hope. Thoughts with you, Wangas Feral.
      
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      August 2, 2019 11:42am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Here’s a press-release today on a breakthrough in 3D printing hearts
    https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2019-08/cmu-3pt073119.php
    
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    August 2, 2019 12:55pm
- srylands
  
  I’m very sorry to hear that.
  
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  August 2, 2019 8:55am
- calendar girl
  
  Very sad your comment, WF. But as your son works to deal with his condition, knowing the feelings of his own Dad will be a great inspiration to him.
  
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  August 2, 2019 9:06am
- RW Capitalist
  
  My belief is that extending sympathy is a wasted emotion that only makes the giver feel better.
  Empathy however.
  My wife has PAH (pulmonary arterial hypertension)
  and CHF (congestive heart failure)
  I do know exactly how you are feeling.
  In February, they gave her 6 months/1 yr, maybe 2yrs to live.
  Found out yesterday, she is stage 4 and the only drugs available are either only for stage one or NOT FUNDED.
  She had a pretty shitty night last night.
  
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  August 2, 2019 9:06am
  - Wangas Feral
    
    Empathy way better than sympathy. Cheers.
    
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    August 2, 2019 10:03am
- mic
  
  My nephew was born with a serious heart condition. He had a heart transplant a few years ago in his early thirties. He is thriving. So much is happening in the field of medicine. Stay strong.
  
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  August 2, 2019 9:07am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  My father had to endure something similar, seeing his youngest son dying of cancer in his 20s.
  
  Your being depressed doesn’t help your son’s condition… If your time together is fated to be short, try and make it full of good times.
  
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  August 2, 2019 9:16am
- Tony Stuart
  
  No words can comfort in this circumstance WF. I simply hope and pray that your son proves his doctors wrong.
  
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  August 2, 2019 10:38am
- Raphael
  
  I have a friend whose son was born with a heart condition. The docs didn’t expect him to see out the month.
  When he was 3 months old they sent him home on palliative care, warning my friend and his wife that he would not see 6 months.
  He’s just turned 8 years old. He has had many heart surgeries, and will have more.
  
  Don’t give up on hope. And cherish each day with your son as a miracle that you still have him with you.
  
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  August 2, 2019 2:02pm
Yvette

Ihumatao
… because Fletcher is 56% overseas owned, the company had to prove to the Overseas Investment Office (OIO) that it would bring benefits to New Zealand above and beyond the benefits any local firm might bring to the same land purchase.

Fletcher’s solicitor put forward a number of benefits, often to a lukewarm response from the OIO, but the one that did make it stand to attention was Fletcher’s capacity to help realise a stated Government policy: the company’s proven speed in building houses by the dozen. [1]

Have SOUL protests and now Ardern’s likely unlawful “no-building” edict thwarted the grounds on which the Overseas Investment Office approved the land purchase : that “the company’s proven speed in building houses by the dozen” would “help realise a stated Government policy”?

[1] https://www.noted.co.nz/planet/ihumatao-and-the-otuataua-stonefields-a-very-special-area/
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August 2, 2019 8:07am
- Jules99
  
  I would have thought they could just slap ‘Kiwi build’ all over them and problem solved.
  
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  August 2, 2019 10:29am
Albert_Ross

Morning therapy time.

Rosemary McLeod is an utterly, utterly stupid woman.

Thank you for your attention; I feel better already. Have a good day everybody
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August 2, 2019 8:13am
- sooty
  
  And so say all of us!
  There that will make you feel even better.
  
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  August 2, 2019 10:32am
oldgolfer

I have a feeling Bridges calling Ardern a part-time PM may have been one of his smartest moves.
I work with people who are not the least interested in politics but who are calling her just that.
Touche.
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August 2, 2019 8:13am
- Yvette
  
  Because Winston knew, at the time of his post Election “decision”, that Ardern was pregnant and given her various admissions in NEXT magazine, Winston also anticipated she would be a part-time Prime Minister – and that he could be Prime Minister other times.
  This tends to confirm Simon Bridges observation.
  
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  August 2, 2019 8:52am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Truth is very offensive to some
  
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  August 2, 2019 9:13am
  - Nermal
    
    To the left, unpalatable truth is either sexist or racist
    
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    August 2, 2019 2:43pm
- rockape
  
  When Tova Obrian uses the phrase then you know its catching on.
  
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  August 2, 2019 10:29am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Was Tova sulking this week because she didn’t get to go on the junket this week. She has been putting the boot this week to Jacinda. Either that or Tova has bumped her head.
    
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    August 2, 2019 5:59pm
- Jules99
  
  Yep, it even hit the international media.
  
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  August 2, 2019 10:30am
- KevO'Brien
  
  I am hearing that even my grand children have turned against our fairy tale princess.
  Rout 2020 is underway.
  
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  August 2, 2019 10:38am
stephieboy

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“‘You people should be banned because you’re evil’: Wellington woman’s extraordinary vegan rant,”

Wellington vegan cafe Sweet Release has shared a woman’s shocking outburst against their meat-free menu.

The video, posted to Twitter, starts after an elderly woman walked into the bakery and allegedly began abusing staff.

Sweet Release owner Kristine Bartley claimed online that the woman racially abused her: “This lady opened our door, came in yelling about deficiencies, called us ‘vaygun’ f***wits, I let her rant a bit more then she called me an Asian f***wit and I asked her to leave.

She refused, using the words f***wits again and muttering s*** about me being a foreigner and how I should ‘go home’.”

The video shows the woman later admitting to using the f-word but denying that it is abuse, saying instead that staff should expect it because they are not receiving enough tryptophans from their food….”

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=12254609

Now there’s got to be anti-vegan posters on KB who either know this crazy elderly lass or are related to her?

Please own up!
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August 2, 2019 8:14am
- JibberJabber
  
  Vegans never hesitate to ruin diners experiences at restaurants so I don`t really care about some loon giving them a taste of their own medicine.
  
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  August 2, 2019 8:46am
  - kloyd0306
    
    I would be curious to know the correlation of vegans to leftists. I suspect that the percentage is quite high.
    
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    August 2, 2019 10:18am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Good on that woman. Vegans need to be ridiculed for the idiots they are.
  
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  August 2, 2019 8:53am
  - srylands
    
    My son is a vegetarian. Even he says vegans are crazy. ?
    
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    August 2, 2019 8:59am
  - Lance
    
    Albert Einstein.. what a know nothing
    Leonardo Da Vinci – pah, a waste of space
    Pythagoras.. what a half wit
    Nicola Tesla, a moron
    Plato, clearly didn’t know his arse from his elbow
    
    You are right Capn’ no smart people would ever be a vegan
    
    Note: I am not a vegan, I just am anti drivel
    
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    August 2, 2019 9:59am
    - rangitoto
      
      Evidence that any of those were vegan.
      
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      August 2, 2019 11:35am
      - Lance
        
        Oh FFS google it !!!
        
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        August 2, 2019 12:24pm
      - rangitoto
        
        “Oh FFS google it !!!”
        
        I did. Some of them referring to moderate consumption of fish and meat. Nothing about them being vegan, which includes no animal products of any kind, including milk.
        
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        August 2, 2019 1:48pm
    - JibberJabber
      
      Heh, you forgot to include Adolf Hitler in your list.
      
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      August 2, 2019 12:21pm
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Hitler was a veg. . . . .
      
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      August 2, 2019 1:20pm
    - Tall Man
      
      And yet you post false drivel……
      
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      August 2, 2019 8:38pm
  - stephieboy
    
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    Captain Mainwaring, even if she is possibly mad like you?
    
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    August 2, 2019 10:10am
- Andrei
  
  Slow News day
  
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  August 2, 2019 8:58am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Now there’s got to be anti-vegan posters on KB who either know this crazy elderly lass or are related to her?
  
  So stephieboy,
  you think you have the right to delve into the personal affairs of this elderly woman to find out her relationship to Kiwiblog posters.
  
  Who else are you investigating?
  
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  August 2, 2019 9:27am
  - tf78
    
    Maggy, I wish she was related, I’d be so proud of her. I’m sick of the look of these limp lettuce looking people – I wonder how many years they can keep it up for before they become really ill. Look at the literally transparent Bill Clinton as a shining example.
    
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    August 2, 2019 10:05am
  - stephieboy
    
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    MW, just answer my question?
    
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    August 2, 2019 10:11am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      If you think you can use KB to find out who my friends and relations are, you are a very sick soul.
      
      I’m surprised the moderators allow this sort of crap.
      
      I don’t use an alias.. it’s not difficult to figure out who my rellies are.
      
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      August 2, 2019 10:21am
      - alloytoo
        
        This is why I use an alias.
        
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        August 2, 2019 12:40pm
      - calendar girl
        
        stephie stalking again, Maggie?
        
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        August 2, 2019 2:34pm
    - JibberJabber
      
      Once again with the stalking, eh Stephie?
      Looks like ur cunning plan was not as weasely as you thought it was.
      
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      August 2, 2019 11:51am
- graham
  
  20 protesters storm a steakhouse in the English seaside resort of Brighton, with one saying, “This smells horrible, look at all the flesh.” They say there will be “regular protests”.
  
  https://edition.cnn.com/2018/11/28/uk/vegan-protesters-steakhouse-gbr-scli-intl/index.html
  
  Activists begin staging weekly protests outside a Toronto restaurant, holding signs saying: “Take Death Off the Dinner Table” and “Your Food Had a Face”.
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2018/apr/12/ethical-eating-vegan-protest-meat-canada
  
  Protesting vegans holding screens displaying heinous acts of animal cruelty confront bewildered restaurant-goers in a Perth suburb on a Friday evening. Footage of the “walk-through” on Facebook shows the activists trying to confront people about animal slaughter as they walked out of restaurants. The same group targeted a Perth McDonald’s restaurant when they took a dead piglet in a basket into the fast food chain and placed it on the counter.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=12230402
  
  A group of vegan protesters storm into a steakhouse with megaphones and abuse patrons. They walk through the restaurant with graphic posters of slaughtered animals.
  
  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6301237/Vegan-protesters-kicked-steakhouse-storming-restaurant.html
  
  Animal rights activists wearing chicken masks held a demonstration in Nando’s in Brighton, where they protested the inhumane treatment of chickens and promoted a vegan lifestyle.
  
  https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/nandos-protest-brighton-vegan-chicken-animal-rights-protest-occupy-a8927446.html
  
  I don’t support ANYONE going into a restaurant and abusing innocent customers, but man have vegans been asking for it.
  
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  August 2, 2019 2:46pm
Ruahine

Where’s Wally?
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August 2, 2019 8:17am
Captain Mainwaring

What’s all this crap about putting a tax on unhealthy food?
Those who choose to eat unhealthy food can’t be bothered to cook healthy food, and a 10% increase in the price isn’t going to stop them? It will just be added to their WINZ account.
The so-called intelligent researchers who come up with this bullshit need a dose of real life.
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August 2, 2019 8:18am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Unhealthy food can be expensive in this country.
  
  A 500 ml bottle of Coca Cola is around $3, which is less than the cost of a porridge breakfast for 5 adults.
  
  Is it laziness?
  Inability to defer gratification?
  Entitlement?
  Lack of thinking about the health consequences?
  Impulsiveness?
  Stupidity?
  A desire to “consume the cool stuff”?
  
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  August 2, 2019 8:25am
  - srylands
    
    I think you mean “more” than the cost.
    
    People don’t have the skills or the will.
    
    Two years ago I decided to establish a little vegetable garden. I was clueless. So I googled “vegetable gardens for dummies”. Now I have a vegetable garden.
    
    You can buy a beef brisket and in season vegetables and feed a family of four for 15 dollars. But I reckon less than ten percent of people know how to do it.
    
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    August 2, 2019 9:05am
    - Tall Man
      
      All the numbnuts have iPhones are are able to use the internet to find parties to trash, places to “deminstrate/protest”, places to do burnouts and buy and sell all manner of goods, yes, including lawnmowers, but they can’t google a recipe?
      
      It’s laziness nothing more nothing less.
      
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      August 2, 2019 9:24am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      Sorry, my bad.
      
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      August 2, 2019 11:35am
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      true, actual vegetable gardening is hard. Weeds and pests are a total nightmare. We have rabbits and Pokekos, both are fatal to young shoots!
      
      A growing vegetable is a sitting duck!
      
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      August 2, 2019 11:57am
      - Tall Man
        
        My .22 is a shock for those.
        
        First morning we woke up here there were well over 20 rabbits on the lawn. A few months of dedicated action has seen that population removed and I would probably less than 10 over the months after breeding season.
        
        It is a daily action though and my total of magpies over the past 12 months exceeds 350.
        
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        August 2, 2019 8:34pm
  - SGA
    
    Nothing better than wandering along the beach on a hot summer’s day with a refreshing bowl of porridge 🙂
    
    While I take your general point, your comparison is a bit forced. Why not just fill up your reusable water bottle and drink from that at virtually no cost at all?
    
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    August 2, 2019 9:06am
    - Andrei
      
      Porridge doesn’t mix with bourbon very well either
      
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      August 2, 2019 9:24am
      - rockape
        
        You have never tried Atholl Brose then Porridge Whisky and berries and Cream!
        
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        August 2, 2019 10:32am
    - Tall Man
      
      I think his point was food.. or crap.
      
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      August 2, 2019 9:24am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Odakyu sen, do you peer through the window at their breakfast table?
    
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    August 2, 2019 10:12am
    - sooty
      
      No he does not as that place is taken by you!
      
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      August 2, 2019 10:36am
- Simon
  
  Unhealthy food is raycist.
  
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  August 2, 2019 8:28am
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    Does KFC stand for Kai For Cuzzies?
    
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    August 2, 2019 9:18am
  - Tall Man
    
    If you don’t learn to speak correctly you will be “visited”…..
    
    It’s “waycist”.
    
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    August 2, 2019 9:25am
- Swifty
  
  I am struggling to recall a government which has, through their deliberate policy settings, done more to ensure large increases in the cost of living for NZers.
  
  Economics 101 – there is no such thing as a free lunch.
  
  All these initiatives Labour and the Greens have brought and continue to bring in to solve transport, housing, obesity etc etc aren’t ‘solutions’ at all – they are merely compromises, all of which bring a cost.
  
  A cost which generally ultimately falls on those who are least able to pay and/or will be hurt the most.
  
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  August 2, 2019 8:31am
  - Tall Man
    
    I tried explaining that to a teacher last week that her pay rise had to come from somewhere and her extra spending will have a downstream impact.
    
    “Don’t care, I love jacinda because she gave me more money” was the reply.
    
    I actually pointed out that the rest of the workers in NZ “gave” her a pay rise.
    
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    August 2, 2019 9:28am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      My wife is not a teacher. She is however complaining about our weekly supermarket spend have risen about 15% over the past six months.
      
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      August 2, 2019 10:44am
      - Tall Man
        
        I agree with you on that.
        
        We’re pretty lucky in that, apart from the odd chicken, all our meat is “homekill” and over the summer we get a lot of our our garden produce.
        
        The supermarket shop this week was $40 as we bought the wine and extras last week but that shop was also well under $200.
        
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        August 2, 2019 3:07pm
- WaveyDavey
  
  If you want to see where this will inevitably end up…
  
  https://life.spectator.co.uk/articles/the-unintended-consequences-of-the-junk-food-advertising-ban/
  
  We all know what they mean by “junk-food” but good luck targetting Maccas, Burger King, KFC et al. Their lawyers are watching and so any ban ends up including yoghurt, milk, butter, biscuits…
  
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  August 2, 2019 8:32am
- cmm
  
  Tobacco excise only barely “works” and that is something like 3000%. 10% does nothing.
  
  But it does make the idiots in Otago feel like they are achieving something. And it all about the feelz.
  
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  August 2, 2019 8:34am
  - peterwn
    
    And the case taken by the three health professionals against Cam Slater, Katherine Rich and Food and Grocery Council etc carries on. On the surface the professionals appear to be flogging a dead horse with respect to Cam and his lawyer has been trying to withdraw, but the judge will not let him. On the surface, Cam is not worth suing, but the professionals want discovery of emails etc presumably to show other defendants paid Whaleoil to run hit articles against them.
    The judge is skeptical of the medical certificates presented and has ordered Cam to front up in court.
    This is probably one of the major reasons the Whaleoil site is being abandoned.
    See:
    https://forms.justice.govt.nz/search/Documents/pdf/jdo/21/alfresco/service/api/node/content/workspace/SpacesStore/7edf9f1e-90cd-436b-8be4-a58f6180b818/7edf9f1e-90cd-436b-8be4-a58f6180b818.pdf
    
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    August 2, 2019 8:46am
    - cmm
      
      Slater was a numptie for making it personal and directly attacking individuals. But, hey, it’s those actions that got him the clicks too.
      
      If he was more level headed and played the ball instead of the man he’d have stayed out of court, but also not have developed his fan base.
      
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      August 2, 2019 9:04am
  - Tall Man
    
    Bought our groceries a few weeks ago and the woman in front purchased some cigarettes which then holds up the queue as they are removed from the “safe” somewhere in another building I think.
    
    We had a big grocery shop with a few beers and wines thrown in and at the end the checkout woman said… “your whole grocery bill is less than the cost of the cigarettes that woman bought”……
    
    The cost for the fags, $249 ish. So, tax does not work, she just threw a little less coke, chippies and white bread in the trolley for the kids. No problem around here these days as most of the schools feed the kids breakfast and lunches most of the time…. and provide shoes and jumpers.
    
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    August 2, 2019 9:33am
    - stephieboy
      
      Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
      Tall Man, do you do your shopping at Otara?
      
      Otherwise seems all made up!
      
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      August 2, 2019 10:15am
      - Swifty
        
        Gumboot.
        
        You use that ‘seems all made up’ line many times and each time you’ve been made to look a fool.
        
        Don’t you ever learn from your mistakes?
        
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        August 2, 2019 10:51am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        Idiots never learn from their mistakes. They just compound the idiocy.
        
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        August 2, 2019 12:17pm
      - rangitoto
        
        stephieboy – your racism is showing.
        
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        August 2, 2019 1:44pm
      - sooty
        
        Along with the stupidity!
        
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        August 2, 2019 2:16pm
    - Jules99
      
      The people buying fags always look so ill. Probably because, as well as the health problem due to the smokes, they can’t afford proper food to at least mitigate some of the damage. I’m fine them being expensive, but I think it’s really hitting the family budget for food now.
      
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      August 2, 2019 10:35am
    - Tall Man
      
      To those of you out there, I will not respond to steffy girl as it feels akin to lying down with flea infested dogs…… jethro may feel the same…….
      
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      August 2, 2019 10:50am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Once upon a time, dieticians and nutrition experts at Otago Uni used to publish useful little booklets on how to feed a family of 6 on a scrag of mutton, or how to make patties from old potatoes and fish-heads.
  
  Information that helped poor families to budget and live healthily on cheap, readily available produce.
  
  Perhaps the experts of today lack the ability to rustle up a filling soup from yesterday’s left-overs.
  They seem unable to provide practical information to folks who are struggling with their diet.
  
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  August 2, 2019 9:40am
  - MCos
    
    When was the last time you fed your kids a ‘scrag of mutton’?
    A scrag is a cheap cut basically bone with bits of meat that requires a lot of cooking with other ingredients . . .
    People who work two jobs don’t have time for that carry-on.
    
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    August 2, 2019 10:21am
    - Jules99
      
      Pop it in a slow cooker, cheap at Warehouse, before you go to work and it’s nice tasty 8 – 10 hours later. Throw in an onion for added flavour. It’s not hard.
      
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      August 2, 2019 10:37am
      - Piniwi
        
        But J lets not forget lamb shanks boiled to make a great base for vege soup then the tender meat is removed to make potted meat that can be sliced. Served with home made pickled onions along with a slice or two of cheese which is likely the most expensive ingredient. The benefits of earlier generations who have had to navigate some tough times is an education in itself.
        
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        August 2, 2019 1:29pm
    - Swifty
      
      Not true MCos.
      
      10 mins prep, pop it in the casserole or slow cooker and walk away.
      
      Two hours later a gorgeous meal.
      
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      August 2, 2019 10:49am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      My kids are long gone… but as one is a chef, she probably oversees the making up of a basic soup stock every day or so.
      
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      August 2, 2019 11:45am
    - JibberJabber
      
      How would you know?
      
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      August 2, 2019 11:54am
    - Swifty
      
      Doesn’t your cheese and kisses ever make ข้าวขาหมู (Kao Ka Moo)?
      
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      August 2, 2019 3:18pm
  - cmm
    
    Maggie, the difference is that the modern lot are primarily activists pushing an ideology – not really interested in actually enabling people to help themselves.
    
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    August 2, 2019 10:36am
  - SGA
    
    little booklets on how to feed a family of 6 on a scrag of mutton
    
    Where can you buy a “scrag of mutton” these days? Serious question – old fashioned butchers are few and far between.
    
    As an aside, I remember when things like sheep shanks were dirt cheap (relative to other cuts), and nowdays they aren’t much different from buying shoulder chops (if you factor in the amount of bone, it’s probably more expensive).
    
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    August 2, 2019 11:39am
    - cmm
      
      Sheep’s shanks are expensive only because they are currently trendy.
      
      As soon as traditional tucker gets augmented with pomegranate and balsamic confit you know it’s time to look for something else.
      
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      August 2, 2019 12:00pm
      - rockape
        
        I had some veal shanks the other day. Cheap as and excellent.
        
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        August 2, 2019 3:22pm
    - Jules99
      
      Same with oxtail – we had it as kids because it was cheap. Not now!
      
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      August 2, 2019 1:08pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Where can you buy a “scrag of mutton” these days?.
      
      You can get mutton neck chops (sure looks like the scrag end to me) at Gisborne Pack n Save.
      
      But if you seriously want some mutton… try a good halal butcher.
      
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      August 2, 2019 2:50pm
    - Swifty
      
      ‘Where can you buy a “scrag of mutton” these days?’
      
      I see neck chops all over the place, even the supermarkets. But, if not, just ask your local butcher and he/she’ll get it in.
      
      Honestly, do try them, slow-cooked with veg. I’ve done them for thirty years, and kids just hoover them up. Still quite economical, while I agree that ox-tail and lamb shank prices have shot through the roof.
      
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      August 2, 2019 3:16pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Bacon Hocks are about $6
      Use soup mix, some stock, water, half a leek, couple of carrots and some grated swede. Cook for a couple of hours and you have soup for four for two meals.
      Cheap.
      
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      August 2, 2019 3:16pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Here you go
        https://www.bite.co.nz/recipe/9490/Ham-hock-and-winter-vegetable-soup/
        
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        August 2, 2019 3:17pm
      - Swifty
        
        Did it last weekend. Got a massive bacon hock from PnS for just over $7 and combined with veg and Kings soup mix.
        
        There would have been at least 10 great steaming bowls of hearty soup for $1 – $1.20 a piece.
        
        It’ll put hairs on your chest too.
        
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        August 2, 2019 3:23pm
KevO'Brien

Financial Capitalism Gone Amok: Ultra-low Interest Rates and Price Bubbles–Prof Tremblay clearly explains a great deal.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/financial-capitalism-gone-amok-ultra-low-interest-rates-price-bubbles/5685137
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August 2, 2019 8:19am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Taxinda sounded all for it this morning on Newstalk ZB. In her usual half laughing, patronising manner that she takes for Hosking (she sounds a bit more respectful sometimes on Red Radio, but does generally have patronising half laugh at hand when she doesn’t like a question), she said that low or even negative interest rates were a good thing, because of lower house prices.
  
  She also said some of other countries we look to as similar or something like that, (presumably including Denmark?) have negative interest rates and claimed that some people say this is is actually the normal state of things.
  
  In other words: the Internationale-singing socialist doesn’t like capitalism and doesn’t think your savings should be worth anything.
  
  Who knew…
  
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  August 13, 2019 4:04pm
Wired-one

https://i.stuff.co.nz/southland-times/114671266/southern-institute-of-technology-to-be-merged-into-national-institute

I’m a proud Southlander, and I dont think this incompetent government realize just how much we care for the S.I.T down here. We fund it, support it and it has added life back into the city. Expect a backlash in the polls at the next election from the deep south you inept twats!
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August 2, 2019 8:23am
- JibberJabber
  
  The Left loathe success, that is why anything that is run well in this country is at the top of their hitlist.
  SIT, Charter schools, targets and accountability in all fields to be abolished, comrade.
  LabourGreen are the quintessential Bucket Crabs.
  
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  August 2, 2019 9:37am
- Lance
  
  A bit ironic then since Tim is such a great Labour supporter.
  Socialists backstabbing their supporters, the norm I am afraid.
  
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  August 2, 2019 10:07am
  - peterwn
    
    Tim’s principal support is for his city, region and institutions (influenced from when he worked on the Manapouri project), this is why he is returned election after election. His support for Labout is a distant second.
    
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    August 2, 2019 11:27am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  LEft give no shits about provincial NZ, they are big city Urbanites.
  
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  August 2, 2019 11:22am
- Piniwi
  
  But W many see the irony in trashing this very valuable local connection as well as support that is totally ignored by this sketchy plan. While in the meantime throwing massive amounts of money around from the PGF. This seems to have the potential to be another disaster from the COL crippled by unintended consequences along with a logistical nightmare.
  Already the contracting industry are concerned at the lack of action from the COL who have talked up a big spend but initiated nothing. All sizzle and no sausage.
  
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  August 2, 2019 1:43pm
Maggie Pie

Goodness, i just noticed those moles on the PM’s neck.
I wonder if she’s had them checked?

https://thebfd.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Jacinda.png
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August 2, 2019 8:25am
- JibberJabber
  
  Looks like a love bite from a former PM , imho.
  
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  August 2, 2019 8:48am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  What happened?
  
  The owner of this website (thebfd.co.nz) does not allow hotlinking to that resource (/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Jacinda.png).
  So, the same as WOBF, blocked
  
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  August 2, 2019 9:22am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    That seems odd Steve.
    Works ok for me and JibbJabbs.
    Maybe you’ve been banned?
    
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    August 2, 2019 9:32am
  - brett68
    
    You have copy and paste the link into your search bar if you want to see the image
    
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    August 2, 2019 9:39am
  - peterwn
    
    It seems something unintentional in WordPress (kiwiblog and thebfd are both built on WordPress). Copying and pasting the link works.
    
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    August 2, 2019 11:33am
- Tall Man
  
  Two on her neck…. very close together…. almost… yeah I know, no photos eh mods…….
  
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  August 2, 2019 9:37am
Inandout

Captain, if only there was some way of preventing the tubbies from clogging hospitals like Middlemore with their obesity related diseases. Taxing their junk food just won’t work simply because in general they care not, because though workers pay their benefits those same workers wait behind the fatties in line at hospitals.
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August 2, 2019 8:29am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  As I’ve said a few times, anyone who requires hospital treatment and is obese should be billed for a percentage of the cost.
  
  This is the right way to do it because:
  
  1) Active people who burn off calories by exercising will not have to pay
  
  2) Responsible people will not have to subsidise the irresponsible as much as they do now.
  
  3) Nobody will need to decide which foods are ‘good’ and which are ‘bad’.
  
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  August 2, 2019 9:21am
  - Lance
    
    What about people that participate in risky sport and pastimes?
    What about smokers?
    People who have too many driving offenses?
    
    One should be even handed
    
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    August 2, 2019 10:09am
    - Nigel Kearney
      
      Maybe. But weight is easy to measure. Not so easy to measure how much someone has smoked or engaged in risky activity. Anyway smokers are already paying more than their fair share.
      
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      August 2, 2019 10:33am
      - Lance
        
        Like obese All Blacks?
        
        My point is this is a path you really don’t want to go down as there are massive grey areas
        
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        August 2, 2019 11:04am
    - calendar girl
      
      Lance, re your comment about “people that engage in risky sport”. You may have in mind specific sports, but if you’re alluding to the likes of rugby, football, pole-vaulting and a host of other active sports where injuries are to be expected sometimes, then I think that incurring some injuries may be better all round than “lying on the couch”.
      
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      August 2, 2019 2:55pm
  - tf78
    
    Nige, I think what you eat depends on your upbringing – if your mother cooks, you end up cooking if she doesn’t you often don’t know how to. Why don’t they have home economics in all schools, it would save a lot of grief in future life.
    
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    August 2, 2019 10:18am
    - Nigel Kearney
      
      It does depend on upbringing.
      
      The way I was brought up, if your mother didn’t teach you to cook then it is your responsibility to figure it out, not just get fat and sick then make taxpayers pay for your treatment.
      
      Anyway, it requires very little skill to microwave fish, rice and vegetables.
      
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      August 2, 2019 10:37am
      - tf78
        
        Nige, there’s the rub – you are able to recognize good, healthy food.
        
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        August 2, 2019 11:08am
  - DigNap15
    
    Yes about 150% of the cost.
    
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    August 2, 2019 2:34pm
- peterwn
  
  Taxing ‘undesirable’ foods will make ‘child poverty’ seem worse.
  
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  August 2, 2019 11:39am
- MCos
  
  The life expectancy in NZ in 1960 was 71. These days it’s ten years more.
  Back then mums would be at home cooking from first principles. Kids weren’t overweight, as a rule. No American junk food or ready to heat slops in the supermarkets.
  No vegans.
  A lot of people smoked and drank crap beer.
  
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  August 2, 2019 12:22pm
G152

It’s just some-one in an ivory tower deciding whats best for us peasants.
There are a number of African countries where that socalled unhealthy food would prevent the rampant starvation they currently suffer.
Why dont these paragons of diet ship these classes of food (on their wages) to those starving?
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August 2, 2019 8:30am
igm

Cannot wait to see drongo Jones come back from Aus after trying to rough handle the CEO of ANZ. Who do this goober and his leader think they are?
ANZ have the power to mutilate our economy and imbecilic ideas such as this will only be to our detriment.
Imagine the losers at Kiwibank attempting to fill ANZ’s gap!
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August 2, 2019 8:44am
- Tony Stuart
  
  I heard on the news a few minutes ago that Jones is going to tell the ANZ boss the New Zealand First is not a pushover. If he’s going to Australia to push an NZF message, I hope NZF is paying the bill!
  
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  August 2, 2019 8:47am
  - srylands
    
    The ANZ boss would ask “What is New Zealand First”?
    
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    August 2, 2019 9:09am
    - SGA
      
      You don’t know that. He might race horses as a hobby.
      
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      August 2, 2019 9:20am
  - GazzaW
    
    Since when has NZF paid for anything?
    
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    August 2, 2019 9:13am
    - igm
      
      Did Winston ever repay taxpayers the $158,000 that was misappropriated?
      
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      August 2, 2019 9:33am
      - sooty
        
        How about that lady from the pub, that just about got killed? Whinestone was tied up in that!
        
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        August 2, 2019 10:43am
  - Jack5
    
    The Labour-Reserve Bank PR shadow war with the banks continues in Stuff today, with the BNZ under fire.
    
    The banks’ PRs are well behind as the Labour-Reserve Bank corner uses its media allies, chiefly Stuff.
    
    The Labour-Reserve Bank team is trying to capitalise on Australian investigations into banking. It doesn’t have the same clout. In Australia, the banks can’t pack up and go home.
    
    Stuff’s accounts show a company, as a subsidiary, not financially strong. Surely Stuff isn’t trying to stop the banks squeezing the firm.
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/114664719/bnz-struggled-to-abide-by-antimoney-laundering-laws
    
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    August 2, 2019 9:23am
- peterwn
  
  This is an unfair comment on Kiwibank. The Greens previously indicated that Kiwibank instead of Westpac should do Government banking). Kiwibank management quite responsibly and candidly stated that Kiwibank did not have the depth or capability to handle Government banking.
  Kiwibank’s growth prospects are limited by the amount of capital the Government is prepared to put into it, this particularly affects the total amount of lending that Kiwibank is capable of.
  
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  August 2, 2019 11:44am
Happychappy

It has to be that you have whistleblowers in the public service but when things turn out that the alleged victim like Maggie Barry are proved to have done nothing wrong shouldn’t the whistleblower then be made to give a public apology. https://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=12254919
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August 2, 2019 8:48am
- marcw
  
  To give them their due, the print media and NewsTalk have fairly prominently reported on the fact that there was no real case to answer. Any transgressions found were considered to be minor and inconsequential – eg. receiving National membership fees at an electoral office. Storm in a tea cup, and the media I have seen have reported it as such.
  
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  August 2, 2019 9:21am
- Tall Man
  
  Unlikely, the coalition would be ensuring there was a promotion involved for 1) lying and 2) throwing shit at a National MP.
  
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  August 2, 2019 9:44am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Oh dear,
  Looks like those hit-jobs against the Nats arranged earlier this year have come to nought.
  
  Who will the MSM journos target next?
  
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  August 2, 2019 9:50am
jcuk

AS one living in the varsity city of the South I think the fellow citizens of this city working at the varsity are largely nuttues 🙂
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August 2, 2019 8:51am
Andrei

Only in 21st century New Zealand could a News story about a technological advancement in telecommunications be morphed into climate change alarmism.

Vodafone’s 5G network concerns New Zealand meteorologists who say it could put lives at risk
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August 2, 2019 9:01am
- Batman
  
  The meteorologists have a fair point about spectrum used for forecasting though…
  
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  August 2, 2019 9:15am
  - peterwn
    
    No. This is a spectrum management matter that MBIE would resolve in the usual manner.
    
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    August 2, 2019 11:52am
- stephieboy
  
  Andrei, you obviously have not read the article carefully,
  
  “..NIWA’s forecasters are among a global cohort of scientists who are worried the frequency used by 5G will disturb the frequency used by one of the most important weather satellites.
  
  “Essentially when the satellite looks down it’s looking for water vapour, and it might pick up 5G instead, so there’s interference,” Fedaeff told Newshub.
  
  And that could mean incorrect forecasting when major storms are about to hit, putting the public in danger.
  
  “In this kind of world we have a lot of extreme events, and we want to be as prepared as possible. We shouldn’t be doing anything to jeopardise the potential accuracy of forecasts,” says Fedaeff….”
  
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  August 2, 2019 10:27am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Concerns about frequencies being used by weather satellites…
  
  What about the human tolerance of those high energy waves to be radiated from many local lamp posts. The energy sources will be much closer than present.
  
  Medical people worldwide are questioning the safety when these gadgets are being pushed by HiTech suppliers without apparent prior approval testing.
  Some firms now have more power than sense.
  
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  August 2, 2019 11:10am
  - Batman
    
    Kev, it is the non-harmful type of radio waves.
    
    The energy sources will be in the same place they are now, in the cell towers!
    
    No credible medical people with relevant knowledge are questioning the technology, only loons who also think flouride is bad and vaccines are a tool of mass control.
    
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    August 2, 2019 4:17pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      There is a lot of questioning. The shorter wave lengths do pack a higher energy punch. That’s why microwaves are used in cooking and industry. The tech lit refers to them having to be much closer to be effective for what is proposed.
      I hope the proponents have got it right.
      
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      August 2, 2019 8:06pm
Jack5

Michael Reddell takes apart a recent speech by Jacinderella.

He talks of “Ardern’s imperial mindset.”

https://croakingcassandra.com/2019/08/01/why-does-good-government-matter/
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August 2, 2019 9:01am
- Kiwi Dave
  
  It’s a terrific demolition of JA’s platitudes and ignorance. Highly recommended, as is the blog in general.
  
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  August 2, 2019 9:45am
- alex Masterley
  
  A very good read.
  It demonstrates how vacuous our prime minister is.
  
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  August 2, 2019 10:33am
- Ross12
  
  From Micheal’s article a quote from her speech :
  
  “Domestically, some have chosen to reject the independent and expert public service and the possibility of a mutually respectful and diverse nation.”
  
  If that is what she thinks of the public service why has her Government got so many committees of “experts” to look at various issues –costing hundreds of millions of dollars? Why are they not using the Public Service for information and advice?
  
  The best comment from Micheal was the bit at the end where he said despite it being a long speech he could not find one original thought or idea.
  
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  August 2, 2019 10:37am
Maggie Pie

I was sooo pleased to read DPF’s post here yesterday that MP Sarah Dowie had been cleared of any possible charges in relation to the txt message she sent to old ‘manky-toes’ from Botany.
It was fantastic to see her during Question Time again with that cheeky smile on her face. My partner reckoned “she looked like the cat that swallowed the cream”.

[you can watch her at the 8s, 30s, & 4m 50s mark]
https://vimeo.com/351318169
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August 2, 2019 9:04am
- Fletch
  
  “she looked like the cat that swallowed the cream”.
  
  ?
  
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  August 2, 2019 9:30am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    My partner actually said pussy but i thort better of it 🙂
    
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    August 2, 2019 10:54am
Fletch

Morning all. Just opened a new box of Just Right, and not getting any raisins come down yet….
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August 2, 2019 9:13am
- Tall Man
  
  Well that has to be disappointing….
  
  Toast with tomato and avocado topped with yummy bacon here for a relaxed start to Friday.
  
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  August 2, 2019 9:52am
- kloyd0306
  
  My latest box of Pam’s Bran & Sultana is well named. The sultana content is very sparse, maybe three per serving if I’m lucky.
  
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  August 2, 2019 10:34am
  - peterwn
    
    You are probably a victim of Erlang’s law (used by telephone engineers to ‘size’ telephone exchanges particularly in the days of electromechanical equipment). This calculates the probability of occurrences of simultaneous phone calls.
    Assume that 10 sultanas is intended for each serving and the batch is made up for a thousand servings ie 10000 sultanas and the batch is properly mixed before bagging. On average you would expect 10 sultanas per serving, but in reality there could be more or less. Hence there is a small probability that your serving could have only three sultanas, and there would be a small probability someone gets 17 sultanas.
    People similarly complained about the erratic number of cherries in a tin of Wattie’s fruit salad.
    
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    August 2, 2019 2:08pm
  - Swifty
    
    I just keep a big bag of sultanas on hand, to top it up.
    
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    August 2, 2019 5:21pm
Happychappy

I wonder which Country will end up better off Jacinda for throwing billions at welfare like they promised to get Elected.
https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2019/08/01/pm-refuses-to-increase-newstart/amp/
Or will Scott Morrison get his way with refusing to increase the Newstart benefit to AU$40 a day.
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August 2, 2019 9:18am
marcw

Climate Catastrophe Emergency report for July:
Figures from Christchurch International Airport Auto Station – Average temperatures for July .

2019 8°C
2018 8
2017 7
2016 6
2015 6
2014 6
2013 8
2012 6
2011 6
2010 5

Average 10 year period temp = 6.6°C
Rainfall in 2019 = 82mm (average is 60mm)

Time to pull up the drawbridge folks, and inflate the Mae Wests, Armageddon is nigh.
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August 2, 2019 9:30am
- stephieboy
  
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  Overall a trend upwards in temps. Why the fuss?
  
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  August 2, 2019 10:23am
- kloyd0306
  
  ….meanwhile, electricity bill for heating is reduced. Less firewood or pellets, more money for food.
  All good.
  
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  August 2, 2019 10:38am
- peterwn
  
  Forecast for August – gumboots required in area bounded by Lambton Quay and the sea.
  
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  August 2, 2019 3:51pm
Tauhei Notts

I look at the betting odds and have noticed an unusual trend in candidates. Harris has dropped from second favourite for the presidency down to fourth. Joe Biden has shortened appreciably in the betting market. Trump, whose odds had been steadily shortening, right down to even money, has lost just a bit of his mana and the odds increased just a little.
Okay, I know the betting markets got Scomo, Brexit and November 2016 wrong, but the trend the markets show is interesting.
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August 2, 2019 9:33am
- Batman
  
  And this far out you’d have to be mad to actually put money down on any political bet… Unless it is a cheeky fiver on a long odds candidate!
  
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  August 2, 2019 10:08am
- tf78
  
  I picked (much to my better half’s disapproval at the time) Brexit, Trump (didn’t talk to me for a day) ScoMo and Boris. My next pick as I’m on a roll is Simon Bridges for NZ PM in 2020. I hope my luck continues.
  
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  August 2, 2019 10:25am
  - Tall Man
    
    For the sake of all of us…..
    
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    August 2, 2019 10:44am
  - igm
    
    It will not be luck, it will be fact, and the people have awoken to the left-wing rorts.
    
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    August 2, 2019 10:55am
- Nermal
  
  The MSM haven’t worked out who to support yet, as couple of their early favourites like “Beto” and Cory Booker have flamed out
  
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  August 2, 2019 3:01pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Kamala Harris got smashed by Tulsi Gabbard
  Worth watching just to see the stunned look on Harris’s face. She had no answer.
  Joe was very happy about that. He got in a few jabs of his own. Probably finished Gillibrand off.
  Big cull for the next debate though. Have to have over 2% in Polling to make the cut.
  
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  August 2, 2019 3:26pm
Maggie Pie

GOD you just have to love twitter!! 🙂

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EA28MPtUEAEkf-N?format=jpg&name=900×900
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August 2, 2019 10:09am
- stephieboy
  
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  Maggie Pie, yes indeed,
  
  These like-minded vulgar anti-Jacinda Fb posts come to mind,
  
  https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2392844350999656&id=2059481014335993&sfnsn=mo
  
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  August 2, 2019 10:20am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    something here for you steph 🙂
    
    https://i.imgflip.com/xt8tz.jpg
    
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    August 2, 2019 10:38am
    - igm
      
      Something else for him.
      “Yet another example of the types taxpayers are being screwed to keep”!
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/114711675/why-police-chose-not-to-charge-christchurch-terror-attack-liars
      
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      August 2, 2019 6:24pm
- Inandout
  
  Photos aren’t needed surely?
  
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  August 2, 2019 10:24am
- JibberJabber
  
  Ha ha I fargin` LOLed loudly…
  
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  August 2, 2019 11:58am
secondcumming

I’m completely *pissed off* with having to pay so much tax!

Anyone know how you start a Religion?
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August 2, 2019 10:28am
- Tony Stuart
  
  I’d refer you to L Ron Hubbard, but he karked it, despite having claimed to be immortal.
  
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  August 2, 2019 10:41am
- Tall Man
  
  Well, you are now permitted to alter the gender on your birth certificate… for free as well so why not alter it to God… that way you are tax free and get a cut off every religion…….
  
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  August 2, 2019 10:47am
Yvette

BP’s free fuel could have been a move to butter up the public – Consumer NZ
Sue Chetwin reminds everyone that the Government announced the investigation in December 2018 after a volatile six months in the petrol market, and anticipates Commerce Commission market study may be reported back soon.

If a petrol company can give away the product free, they obviously have to recoup the fixed costs – ETS, regional fuel tax, ordinary tax and GST, produce imported costs transport, staff payments and petrol station costs – somewhere else in their system, so does that emphasise that we are indeed being fleeced that such slop in the system is not apparent?

Or is it sheer volume: that 1 hour free at two stations may have cost $70,000 but that is recouped by a one cent extra everywhere else for perhaps a day?

But even with that complexity, that leeway must surely be within what is the petrol companies’ margin, so how can the price make-up of a litre of petrol be that complex as to take eight months already in analysing it and still have not reported back?

Are Commerce Commission staff taking the PM’s lead on this and only working part-time on it?
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August 2, 2019 10:32am
- Lance
  
  I have no problem with what the fuel companies do so long as there is no conspiracy.
  If I wanted to set up a fuel company charging $15.72 a litre surely that is my business?
  Otherwise the only real solution is the govt being the sole fuel provider and that would be a massive cluster fuck.
  
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  August 2, 2019 11:08am
  - MCos
    
    Back in the good old days, less than forty years ago, the government set the price of petrol.
    
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    August 2, 2019 4:33pm
    - igm
      
      Good Lord, imagine what JAG and Twyford would have us paying . . . it would be horrific!
      
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      August 2, 2019 6:41pm
    - peterwn
      
      When you could not get $5 worth of petrol into a VW Beetle.
      
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      August 2, 2019 7:30pm
Steve Todd

What happened to “A Good Debate” yesterday?

Were comments shut down for some reason?
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August 2, 2019 10:48am
Hugh Pavletich

AUCKLAND NEW ZEALAND …BARFOOT & THOMPSONS REALTORS JULY RESULTS … Watch prices, sales volumes and new listings going forward … as new housing supply is ramped up …

Barfoot & Thompson’s median selling price drops 5.2% month-on-month in July but sales volumes rise 12%. Median Auckland selling price barely above $800,000 with highest July sales volumes in three years … Greg Ninness … Interest Co NZ

https://www.interest.co.nz/property/101004/falling-prices-helped-unlock-sales-numbers-barfoot-thompson

Barfoot & Thompson’s average and median selling prices both declined in July, while sales volumes were up at the real estate agency, which is Auckland’s largest.

The median selling price of residential properties sold by the agency was $800,500 in July. That’s down $44,500, or 5.2%, from $845,000 in June, and lower than it was in July 2018 ($810,000), July 2017 (810,000), and July 2016 ($840,000).

Barfoot’s median is now barely above $800,000, a figure it has not been below since March 2016. … read more via hyperlink above …
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New dwelling consents hit a record high in Auckland but are lagging behind in many other regions … Greg Ninness … Interest Co NZ

https://www.interest.co.nz/property/100939/new-dwelling-consents-hit-record-high-auckland-are-lagging-behind-many-other-regions
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Real market demand is crystal clear … in ‘the flight to affordability’ refer 2019 section http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org …

Survey finds Kiwis’ backyard dream still alive and well – Westpac Bank Survey … Scoop NZ

http://business.scoop.co.nz/2019/05/28/survey-finds-kiwis-backyard-dream-still-alive-and-well/
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August 2, 2019 12:10pm
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  The bursting housing bubble …
  
  New Zealand’s serious long – term ( and politically can – kicked ) housing multiple stretch problem is coming to an end.
  
  By definition, all bubbles are unsustainable.
  
  Normal housing markets do not exceed 3.0 times gross annual household income ( median multiple ) … Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey http://www.demographia.com/dhi.pdf .
  
  When the Irish bubble burst ’07, the unweighted median multiple across its surveyed metros went from 4.7 to 2.8 a few years later, putting all its Banks to the wall and requiring a bailout from German financial institutions of about 70 billion euro.
  
  New Zealand is currently about 6.5 and Australia 5.6 … access ( 15 to date ) Demographia International Housing Affordability Surveys, including the ‘flight to affordability’ (2019 Section) with extensive further information at http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org .
  
  The days of playing infantile political and bureaucratic games with New Zealand’s housing market are over.
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  Recently released … very important Survey …
  
  ANZ Business Outlook Survey shows the worst sentiment in the construction sector since 2009, while overall business confidence has sagged again and more firms are expecting to cut staff … David Hargreaves … Interest Co NZ
  
  https://www.interest.co.nz/business/100966/anz-business-outlook-survey-shows-worst-sentiment-construction-sector-2009-while
  
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  August 2, 2019 4:37pm
stoptheboats

ref Aderns upcoming State Visit to NZ , will she be invited to address Parliament ?
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August 2, 2019 1:31pm
- niggly
  
  Will she be given an audience with NZ’s “real” PM, Winston Peters?
  
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  August 2, 2019 1:43pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Depends on the question she is asked. The duck will rule out banned questions
  
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  August 2, 2019 5:35pm
Happychappy

David Clark has to be embarrassed with the $423 million deficit from the DHB especially as he tried to hide the facts for over a month.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=12255017
If this was someone else equivalent employed privately they would resign or be fired for incompetence.
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August 2, 2019 3:42pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Forget the Climate Crisis… we’ve got an indigenous crisis: the Maori Nation is in a “State of Emergency” and Where’s the PM?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/02/maori-land-rights-leader-calls-on-jacinda-ardern-to-recognise-indigenous-crisis
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August 2, 2019 5:19pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Yeah, where is the PM? 757 went out last night and not back yet, unless they forgot to fly over my property. West winds, should come in from the northeast
  
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  August 2, 2019 5:40pm
  - sooty
    
    Cindy bin lying in the sun, may have desided that she’s out of here and gone back to daddy!
    
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    August 2, 2019 6:00pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  “The leader of a major Indigenous land dispute in New Zealand has criticised Jacinda Ardern’s government for its lack of action on confronting systemic Māori disadvantage, and says the Māori nation is in “a state of emergency” and “crisis”.”
  
  Gasp! Even the Guardian has been afflicted by macron disease.
  
  A “Māori nation”!?! When was that ever a thing?
  
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  August 2, 2019 5:51pm
  - Batman
    
    It’s called grammar.
    
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    August 2, 2019 6:00pm
    - igm
      
      The only “grammar” they care about is one that looks after the taxpayer-funded kids.
      
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      August 2, 2019 6:22pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Orthography.
      
      https://www.tetaurawhiri.govt.nz/assets/Uploads/Corporate-docs/Orthographic-conventions/58e52e80e9/Guidelines-for-Maori-Language-Orthography.pdf
      
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      August 2, 2019 6:57pm
- The Feed
  
  Looks like we’ve got a crisis crisis.
  
  Hopefully the PM will visit NZ at some point and wellness the f**k out of it.
  
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  August 2, 2019 6:37pm
Happychappy

Shane Jones making threats for Winston to ANZ that expert says won’t hold up.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/114718922/shane-jones-says-his-party-can-punish-anz-but-expert-says-it-cant-back-up-threat
When is this Country going to say enough is enough to these two scourges of NZ Politics.
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August 2, 2019 5:37pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Jones threatening the ANZ with whatever Winston has left to pull out his quiver…
  Are they going to plant trees in ANZ foyers?
  Call the Income Tax Inspector? The Commissioner of Inland Revenue does act to the order Ministers.
  
  It sounds like NZ First has come apart.
  
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  August 2, 2019 8:14pm
  - The Feed
    
    I think ANZ can rest assured no trees will be planted.
    
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    August 2, 2019 9:18pm
BananaLlama

I would like to know where all these white New Zealanders are getting their confiscated land from because i have had to buy mine fair and square then pay off the bank. No theft. No Inheritance. Just hard bloody work.
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August 2, 2019 6:12pm
Wayne1749

What the fuck.

“The violent repeat offender was given two-years intensive supervision for his offending on September 21 when he injured and attempted to kidnap the woman in Ilam. The sentence was imposed by Judge Raoul Neave.”

A judge refused to jail him, saying it would achieve “absolutely zip”

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12255150

This piece of trash, piece of filth also beat the shit out of an elderly man in 2009.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/114615933/marcel-sydney-geros-convicted-of-trying-to-kidnap-jogger-on-christchurch-street

Raoul Neave is a piece of liberal PC cock sucking shit.

He’s basically made it open season on beating up old people and women.
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August 2, 2019 6:35pm
The King

First the muslim scammers get away with scamming now this…

“A new date may be set for the trial of a man accused of the Christchurch mosque attacks due to a clash with the holiest month of the Muslim calendar”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/114623868/trial-for-mosque-shootings-clashes-with-ramadan–a-month-for-prayers-and-fasting

wtf is going on?
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August 2, 2019 8:07pm
Hugh Pavletich

… CHINA TARIFFS …

China Tariffs Impacts On US Retailers … An Excellent Assessment …

Trump’s latest tariff may finally send J.C. Penney into its grave (silly title) … Yahoo Finance

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trumps-latest-tariff-may-finally-send-jc-penney-into-the-grave-151056277.html
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