General Debate 27 August 2019

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Paulus Gnome

I wrote this last night, maybe not my best work but then, what is.

Down tick away or work with the boyhood sense of humour.

hullkiwi

Thanks to your friend JAG, your trousers are now around your ankles. Now do yourself a favour, toddle off and bury your head in the nearest sand dune, because you look foolish.

Paulus Gnome

Bent over like that would provide one more bike rack at the beach . .
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August 27, 2019 8:04am
- srylands
  
  Yes I read it last night. No it is not good work.
  
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  August 27, 2019 8:20am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Should have left it there then?
    
    Onwards and upwards, it is a new day and the sun is shinning in my part of Auckland I am off for a coffee and yet another meeting . . .
    
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    August 27, 2019 9:00am
    - Biscuit
      
      Everyone’s a critic, Paulus!
      
      Why – ahem – I bet there are some Grammar Nazis out there who will berate you for adding a third ‘n’ to the word ‘shining’.
      
      But not me, of course.
      
      Enjoy the coffee!
      
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      August 27, 2019 9:39am
      - calendar girl
        
        A “Grammar Nazi” wouldn’t berate him, but a “spelling Nazi” might.
        
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        August 27, 2019 10:37am
      - Biscuit
        
        Ha, calendar girl.
        
        Moi has been out-pendanticed!
        
        Probably not a word – but you know what I mean.
        
        I shall now go sulk!
        
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        August 27, 2019 12:01pm
Martin Williams

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Whistle blower Jami Lee Ross has documentary evidence Todd McClay and the National Party solicited cash for favours from off shore Chines business interests.

Expect a lot more of these reveals between now and the election.

It will paint a very clear portrait of the endemic corruption which festers within the Nats.
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August 27, 2019 8:10am
- igm
  
  Get a life, anyone who listens to, and believes anything Lee-Ross says is as demented as he.
  
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  August 27, 2019 8:37am
  - Martin Williams
    
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    It’s not opinion, he has the evidence.
    
    Crushing for you I know.
    
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    August 27, 2019 8:53am
    - Colville
      
      Even on Stuff, who would just love to find some dirt on the Nats, it was stated that there was “no illegality”
      
      try harder next time Martin.
      
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      August 27, 2019 9:07am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        It’s evident that Martin Williams (is or is he not the Napier Barrister?) has dedicated his life to trying to dig dirt on the National Party but keeps coming up short.
        
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        August 27, 2019 9:23am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        Maybe “Martin Williams” is actually Jami-Lee Ross. It would explain his hatred of the National Party, but also why every smear he attempts is a fizzer.
        
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        August 27, 2019 9:51am
      - Batman
        
        Captain M, he is not.
        
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        August 27, 2019 10:05am
      - John Warren
        
        Bit like a Democrat trying to pin collusion on Trump, Captain.
        
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        August 27, 2019 12:47pm
    - MrTips
      
      Jamie Lee Ross has the impact of a guy wandering around bragging about his receipt for first class tickets on the Titanic – purchased on April 16th, 1912.
      
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      August 27, 2019 9:14am
    - igm
      
      He has as much evidence as Ardern has intelligence and decency . . . none!
      
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      August 27, 2019 9:32am
    - chaos
      
      If he had evidence he would of released it a long time ago. Perhaps he should go apologize to the woman he harassed
      
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      August 27, 2019 9:33am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        Don’t you mean “women”? There were reportedly several of them, and that probably just scratches the surface.
        
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        August 27, 2019 9:52am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Being a narcissist means never feeling the need to apologise.
        
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        August 27, 2019 11:37am
    - rockape
      
      If JLR was to release dirt he knows National supporters in his electorate would drop kick him into touch. He has nothing but lies or it would already be out there
      
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      August 27, 2019 9:35am
      - sooty
        
        Yes his ex girlfriend the reporter would have had a series of stories on it, but nothing writen!
        
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        August 27, 2019 9:51am
      - alloytoo
        
        National supporters are already going to kick him into touch.
        
        Which is why he reneged on resigning for a byelection.
        
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        August 27, 2019 10:39am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Here’s the National Party 2017 Donation Return, with the $150k from Inner Mongolia Rider Horse Industry (NZ) Limited, hidden in plain sight, and legally declared, as the Electoral Act 1993 requires.
    
    https://elections.nz/assets/Party-donations-and-loans/2018-returns/national-party-annual-return-2017.pdf
    
    Both Martin Williams and Jami-Lee Ross (that’s assuming they are not one and the same) are firing blanks again.
    
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    August 27, 2019 10:25am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      And now so is Golriz.
      
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      August 27, 2019 10:48am
    - peterwn
      
      We’re they pretty horses?
      
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      August 27, 2019 10:52am
      - Tall Man
        
        Pretty stupid………..
        
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        August 27, 2019 8:40pm
  - Paulus
    
    Understand Ross is is the number one pariah in the Parliamentary system.
    He is ignored and am told that despite his trying he cannot get his leg over any of his old flames in the Press Gallery.
    Must be bad if they do not want him !
    
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    August 27, 2019 1:38pm
    - peterwn
      
      That sort of relationship requires mutual trust, confidence and respect. He does not now qualify so no wonder people keep their distance.
      
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      August 27, 2019 2:33pm
- Tarquin North
  
  Speaking of paint, it might pay to open the windows when using the solvent based stuff, though in your case I fear it’s too little too late.
  
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  August 27, 2019 8:41am
- chaos
  
  Whistle blower? Lol, sure is a blower. Needs to go back to the padded room
  
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  August 27, 2019 8:42am
- Tall Man
  
  You mean a whole lot more made up stories, I like to call them lies, from the moth of the lying labour party?
  
  Fuck you’re stupid, why would anyone be interested in more labour lies when we have real life sexual assaults in the appointed pm’s office. When we have a labour stalwart’s abusive progeny appearing in court next week for serious sexual assault….
  
  Oh I see, it’s a squirrel to divert our attention…
  
  Sorry numbnuts, only labour dickheads fall for that so you’ve wasted yet another lie that you should have saved for 2020 when the groundswell of the anti ardern sentiment sweeps the thieves away for millenia. Enjoy the show as you are watching the implosion of what was once a great party before the greedies and liars took charge.
  
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  August 27, 2019 8:44am
  - Martin Williams
    
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    You seem a little…angry. ?
    
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    August 27, 2019 9:21am
    - Tall Man
      
      You seem a little stupid.
      
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      August 27, 2019 9:42am
      - alloytoo
        
        But you will calm down at some point, Marty will remain a Dunning Kruger sufferer.
        
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        August 27, 2019 12:07pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Takes a lot to make me angry….. you won’t like me when I’m angry…..
        
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        August 27, 2019 8:39pm
    - kowtow
      
      But not as angry as Little……..
      
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      August 27, 2019 10:44am
- Prince
  
  Right, just like all the other ‘evidence’ he has presented with great fanfare to the Police, only to be sat on his increasingly large backside each time.
  
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  August 27, 2019 8:45am
  - igm
    
    He is only listened to by desperate lefties and MSM.
    
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    August 27, 2019 8:57am
- kevn
  
  @marty…. JLR is the festering element.
  
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  August 27, 2019 8:45am
- alloytoo
  
  If Jami Lee Ross had any evidence he would have given it to Tova O’Brien last year when he looked like a numpty and made his name arse with his voice recordings.
  
  If he had any concrete evidence he should have presented to the police a year ago. Failure to do so makes himself complicit.
  
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  August 27, 2019 8:50am
- surfing
  
  JLR is seeking attention, that’s all.
  
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  August 27, 2019 8:55am
  - Ruahine
    
    Mr Ross I believe has had mental issues.
    
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    August 27, 2019 9:45am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    I reckon as soon as he loses his MP’s salary he’ll disappear overseas to start over, perhaps even change his name given how much of an arsehole he made of himself. No one in NZ will want to have anything to do with him privately or professionally.
    
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    August 27, 2019 11:41am
    - cas
      
      I wonder if he will stand on the list for NZ First?
      
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      August 27, 2019 2:17pm
  - alloytoo
    
    It’s just another hit job on Bridges and National, happens whenever COL has a particularly bad week.
    
    (so basically every week…heh heh)
    
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    August 27, 2019 12:08pm
- Simon
  
  NZ political parties are addicted to CCP-connected “shush” money. We need to pass targeted anti-foreign interference legislation to help them break their addiction.
  
  Today I can’t stop thinking of that time when NZ National Party MP Todd McClay justified China’s detention of the Uighur population as “vocational training”.
  
  https://twitter.com/Anne_MarieBrady
  
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  August 27, 2019 9:01am
  - Tall Man
    
    Reduced terrorism though didn’t it?
    
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    August 27, 2019 9:36am
    - kowtow
      
      Like the gun confiscation has stopped gun crime ?
      
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      August 27, 2019 10:46am
      - Tall Man
        
        Different.
        
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        August 27, 2019 8:44pm
- gravedodger
  
  Ross is fortunate he took on Bridges, would be long gone if it was Hillary Clinton!
  
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  August 27, 2019 9:09am
- MrsAnnie
  
  The timing is no accident. JLR has had to deal with the reality over the past week that Bridges is not only safe as leader this side of the election but is looking like he will also be our next PM.
  
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  August 27, 2019 9:57am
  - Hacked-Off
    
    You might also add that JLR knows that he will not be in Parliament after the 2020 Election as his Electorate will have given him the bums rush.
    
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    August 27, 2019 10:19am
  - hullkiwi
    
    It’s not only that, but also the fact that those sho were aiding and abetting him last year, seem to have fallen on hard times and aren’t there to provide him with the direction he needs.
    
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    August 27, 2019 11:21am
Albert_Ross

I see Jacinda is claiming that resuming payments to the Super Fund is making the future cost of NZS sustainable.

Wonder whether she genuinely believes that?
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August 27, 2019 8:11am
- Martin Williams
  
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  Raising the age across the board is a tax on the poor. As if the Nats would have it any other way!
  
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  August 27, 2019 8:37am
  - igm
    
    Anyone poor is only in that predicament because they have been too lazy to get off their backsides and achieve and succeed.
    Any poor people I come across are self-entitled, Labour supporting bludgers, very few are there because of bad luck.
    
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    August 27, 2019 8:59am
    - Martin Williams
      
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      Shine your shoes, sir?
      
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      August 27, 2019 9:22am
      - alloytoo
        
        @igm
        
        It’s not a serious offer, it entails honest work.
        
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        August 27, 2019 12:11pm
    - stephieboy
      
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      igm, based on personal experience?
      
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      August 27, 2019 9:51am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Igm, I think there are some fair points to be made though about people who do work very hard, with quite physical labour, and would have trouble going beyond 65. I would definitely like to see National come up with a plan for people in that position.
      
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      August 27, 2019 12:35pm
      - Albert_Ross
        
        Assistance is already available for people who are not able to support themselves, whatever their age. What more did you want?
        
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        August 27, 2019 1:34pm
      - Classic Liberal
        
        I agree, Albert. But the line Taxinda is taking is probably currently winning in people’s minds.
        
        National needs to argue their point and also show empathy and plans for people who can’t keep working that long. Just calling it ‘sickness benefit’ or ‘dole’ won’t cut it. Have to give it a name that sounds more like a special/early retirement benefit for those that really need it.
        
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        August 27, 2019 2:35pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        But the line Taxinda is taking is probably currently winning in people’s minds.
        
        I’m not so sure.
        
        Have a chat to working 20-30 year-olds.
        
        They are not too happy paying high taxes to support folks like me at 65/66 – fit & healthy -and who had the benefit of 5 years (near) free tertiary education, Gvt support with first House purchase, a week’s post-natal hospital care, etc.
        
        These young working folk are well aware that NZ’s life expectancy is one of the World’s highest; and they will be supporting a bulge of old buggers for perhaps 15-20years….and by the time they get to 65, the coffers will be empty.
        
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        August 27, 2019 4:01pm
  - alloytoo
    
    Not given someone something is a tax?
    
    This explains Labour’s confusion about the petrol excise duty.
    
    Marty, making someone pay something is a TAX.
    
    Paying someone or a group is a benefit, entitlement or subsidy.
    
    Some indirect actions can be regarded as a “Tax” in a broader sense.
    
    Inflation (which has doubled under labour) is a tax on the poor.
    
    Congestion in major cities resulting in a loss of time due to poor road development is a tax on the poor because they typically live in outer suburbs poorly serviced by public transport and suffer longer commutes.
    
    There you go Marty, I won’t even charge you for this free lesson, despite it taking up my time (that way we can consider you a tax common sense.)
    
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    August 27, 2019 8:59am
  - Prince
    
    So how do you describe paying Super to 65 year old millionaires ?
    
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    August 27, 2019 9:50am
    - igm
      
      How do you describe paying NZ taxpayer-funded super to a fakeugee who has been here 10 years on the dole?
      It should be a percentage of earnings, like personal super was prior to Lange/Palmer taking the tax deductiont off it because the losers reckoned it was for those “privileged”!
      
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      August 27, 2019 12:54pm
      - Albert_Ross
        
        Nope. You can ensure, if you wish, that your retirement income is proportionate to your earnings, by saving during your working life and drawing down those savings after it. The Government has absolutely no obligation to ensure that people who enjoyed a high standard of living while working, should continue in the same way afterwards.
        
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        August 27, 2019 1:38pm
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Prince: as a small but helpful retirement saving they have paid their taxes towards and have counted on. Anyone with a home in Auckland is a ‘millionaire’ anyway – not rich at all.
      
      We have paid, long and hard, into the super fund and we expect the little payment: that’s the deal.
      
      If you want to change the deal to a needs-tested benefit, it would need to be clearly voted for in a referendum and very gradually introduced.
      
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      August 27, 2019 1:42pm
  - Tony Stuart
    
    How the heck do you reach that conclusion Martin? It would be “an attack on the poor” if Labour left the age of eligibility where it was, and found out that they could no longer afford it.
    
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    August 27, 2019 9:55am
  - John Warren
    
    Martin, you appear to be another of that type that gets a thrill, perhaps sexual, from collecting downticks here on Kiwiblog.
    
    Explain your pyschology to me, please! I’d love to know what drives you to continue fomenting hostility.
    
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    August 27, 2019 12:51pm
    - Gravelroad
      
      Downticks are food and drink to trolls like Martin.
      He wants to get a reaction from the hateful alt right
      Tories.
      People who have conservative views, who have gone to school, got an education and a well paying job are the dregs of society to the Martins of this world.
      Not very “kind” is it.
      
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      August 27, 2019 1:27pm
- kevn
  
  @Albert… Opposite to what JA campaigned on. She was keen as to raise the superannuation age ‘back then’.
  
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  August 27, 2019 8:42am
- Tall Man
  
  If it’s on the “telly” she will.
  
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  August 27, 2019 8:45am
- Prince
  
  She also said NZ was unique in the world, having some sectors, eg blue collar workers, with shorter life spans.
  When it was pointed out that wasn’t unique, she moved on very quickly.
  On radio, the head tilts and nods don’t work so well, even with sympathetic interviewers.
  
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  August 27, 2019 8:47am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Yep, she was brilliant this morning on the radio. Stellar comedienne is the Commie chick.
    
    Following her logic, because farmers have a tough work/lifestyle we need to pay them at 65. I can see that going down well at the local Working Men’s club in the West Coast….(I’ve taken some poetic licence, but Super does not discriminate between occupation or level of income, just in the case of a farmer there is a lot of hard manual work).
    
    She really doesn’t think before she opens that mouth of hers, does she?
    
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    August 27, 2019 1:38pm
- cmm
  
  If we just call it investment instead of payment and expenditure it all sounds much better.
  
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  August 27, 2019 8:51am
- srylands
  
  It is simply a smoothing mechanism. Does nothing to improve affordability.
  
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  August 27, 2019 9:26am
- tavita
  
  What got me was the reporter on newshub saying that Bridges was abolishing superannuation for the x generation. Absolutely appallingly bad reporting.
  
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  August 27, 2019 10:20am
  - Ruahine
    
    It is called lying.
    
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    August 27, 2019 10:35am
  - alloytoo
    
    Now that’s typical Labour dirty politics.
    
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    August 27, 2019 10:44am
  - Komata
    
    Tavita@1020
    
    Re: ‘Absolutely appallingly bad reporting’.
    
    No, just another sychophant looking after itself, its next meal-ticket, and its mates. Don’t forget that to the NZ MSM, Bridges and National are ALWAYS bad, even when they are good and what they say makes sense.
    
    The ‘reporter’ was just making itself look good.
    
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    August 27, 2019 11:19am
  - Martin Williams
    
    While Bridges isn’t yet abolishing superannuation, as Winston Peters says, “you can’t trust National”, so watch this space…
    
    What Bridges is doing is stealing $50K from Gen X. $50K which they have diligently put away in Kiwisaver as asked.
    
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    August 27, 2019 3:46pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  We should trust the opinion of an igoramus like Ardern who, after 9 years in parliament, didn’t know what GDP was?
  
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  August 27, 2019 11:43am
freethinker

Nationals Policy on regulation removal sounds good and promising to repeal 2 old regulations for each new one enacted quite pragmatic. In the same vein perhaps they will also disestablish all new posts created by the current collection of clowns in Govt depts and similarly remove 2 existing jobs for every new one created. The devil will be in the detail as removing regulations that have no or little impact will be virtual signalling. At the same time civil servants should be made accountable for their decisions and advice with real consequences for avoidable mistakes and no outsourcing to avoid responsibility, if a civil servants job is to advise that is what is required otherwise there is no job. Reversal of benefit relaxation conditions to achieve a fair system that rewards responsibility in line with common sense is another target please Simon.
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August 27, 2019 8:11am
- Albert_Ross
  
  Hmm. It’s good politics but I’ll be more convinced when they start to specifically identify which regulations they are going to abolish. It sounds great in theory, that is why it is so often promised, but it’s not easy in practice. Every regulation brings a benefit to somebody, and you may rest assured that that somebody will make a lot of noise about the disaster that will result from removal of that particular regulation. We all want other people’s behaviour regulated in some respect.
  
  As for civil servants being accountable for their advice, how would that work? Who is to decide whether their advice was good or bad, when (eg, before or after Ministers decide whether or not to accept the advice?) and on what basis? How are these arbiters to be appointed and to whom will they report and be accountable? And will Ministers be constrained by their assessments, ie not allowed to accept advice that the arbiters do not think good and required to accept advice that the arbiters do approve of?
  
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  August 27, 2019 9:08am
  - Tall Man
    
    The “buck” stops at the top, no ifs or buts.
    
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    August 27, 2019 9:35am
    - sooty
      
      Not in Cindys case!
      Ninth floor rapist is still there!
      
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      August 27, 2019 9:57am
      - alloytoo
        
        Best way to remove the rapist from the 39th floor is to remove Cindy.
        
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        August 27, 2019 10:45am
- artemisia
  
  Always easier, and better optics, to start something new rather than decommission something in place. Especially when PSA members are the ones working away on policies that have poor or no good outcomes. Or contracting them out to third parties.
  
  I do recall the previous government carrying out line by line scrutiny of departmental spending, plus of course setting in place the social investment initiative that is related. Time to do it again, and I hope National is taking advantage of time in opposition to do just that. Suspect they are.
  
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  August 27, 2019 9:26am
Yvette

Associate Transport Minister Julie Anne Genter wanted to investigate banning petrol car imports by 2035

Where is the Genter initiated report on the future demands that all electrification of transport will place on New Zealand national grid generation?
As it is a sort of “cart before the horse” question that she is yet to seriously answer.
Or answer at all.
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August 27, 2019 8:19am
- Colville
  
  Will he Greens support Nukes or just more hydro to give NZ the electricity it needs?
  
  Because as we know…sometimes the wind doesnt blow… !
  
  (even in Palmerston North!!)
  
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  August 27, 2019 9:11am
- Bullion
  
  A lot of countries are banning new petrol/diesel cars around that time, so by 20 to 30 years time most cars built are not going to be petrol/diesel anyway.
  
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  August 27, 2019 9:53am
  - Hacked-Off
    
    Agreed Bullion, but the issue is that these other countries plan to have infrastructure and adequate generating capacity in place before then. Not, however, I suspect Julie-Anne Genter nor her Luddite Greens.
    
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    August 27, 2019 10:27am
    - kowtow
      
      Where’s the capacity ?
      
      It’s all lies.
      
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      August 27, 2019 10:52am
    - Bullion
      
      There is already quite a bit of infrastructure already in place, especially when considering the actual low amount of electric cars registered in NZ:
      https://charge.net.nz/map/
      
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      August 27, 2019 12:01pm
    - tavita
      
      In the case of China they are building coal fired power stations to generate the electricity.
      
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      August 27, 2019 1:10pm
  - kowtow
    
    ‘so by 20 to 30 years time most cars built are not going to be petrol/diesel anyway.’
    
    Bwa hahahaha.
    
    By then the rising seas , blah blah bullshit will be well exposed.
    
    Petrol / diesel are as green as the electric lie.
    
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    August 27, 2019 10:51am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Probably true. EV’s will likely be cheaper than IC engines cars in about 10 years if current trends continue. But there will still be some need for fossil fuelled vehicles for (eg) rural folks and other high mileage users.
    
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    August 27, 2019 11:47am
Maggie Pie

HIYAA! You’ve probably all been wondering where i’ve been for the last few days 🙂
My partner bought himself a new Porsche off TM last week from a dealer in Wellinton [not really ‘new’ its 2016] and we flew down on Saturday to take delivery and drive back. He wanted to go via Tauranga to show it to some friends, so we spent an extra couple of nights there wining and dining.
It was a really fab time and great to get a few days away. Although when my partners mate sent him this link last night it sort of ‘took the edge off things’ a wee bit –

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EChPoeGXoAEKd5Z?format=jpg&name=small
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August 27, 2019 8:19am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  And “he” will be arguing that is the size of the fight in the dog; not the size of the dog in the fight.
  
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  August 27, 2019 8:46am
- stephieboy
  
  Hopefully, your partner will be considering in the near future an option on the Porche EV Taycan,
  
  https://www.motor1.com/news/367076/taycan-four-door-ev-nurburgring-record/
  
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  August 27, 2019 10:06am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    So steph, do tell us which brand of electric car you drive.
    
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    August 27, 2019 10:19am
    - sooty
      
      Mobility scooter!
      
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      August 27, 2019 10:26am
    - toby1845
      
      Hitachi Wand.
      
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      August 27, 2019 12:47pm
hullkiwi

Thanks Paulus are you trying to save me posting here….
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August 27, 2019 8:20am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Work in sales, never let an opportunity pass by without touching it.
  
  Don’t trust a fart but that is Billy Connelly who has been selling comedy for forty years
  
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  August 27, 2019 10:54am
Scott

Further from the “Why is Hillary Clinton not in jail?” files, comes this revelation courtesy of Powerline – “In August 2018, news articles alleged that a Chinese state-owned company hacked former Secretary Clinton’s non-government server and inserted code that forwarded nearly all of her emails to the foreign company. The reporting indicated that two Intelligence Community Inspector General (ICIG) officials – Frank Rucker and Jeanette McMillian – discovered the code and brought the possible intrusion to the attention of the FBI.”

So just think about that for a moment. Hillary Clinton was the secretary of state and so was privy to highly classified information. She stored that information on a private server in her basement. This type of behaviour would get anyone else sent to jail.
But now it seems that the FBI found out that the server was hacked by the Chinese who could now read all of America’s secrets!
How is that not a scandal of epic proportions? If anyone else did anything remotely like that they would be in jail.
As the reporter says, there seems to be two standards of justice operating here, one for the Clinton’s and one for everybody else.

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/08/clinton-emails-contd.php
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August 27, 2019 8:22am
- Ed Snack
  
  The situation vis a vis the forwarding is not that clear. I believe that there is a strong case that the emails were not auto-forwarded to a Chinese company but to a “dummy” gmail account that was acting as an archiving system set up by the email admin person. It seems likely that most of the emails dating from the time HRC was SOS were forwarded to that account well after they were sent.
  
  The similarity of names may well be a coincidence – the chinese company has numerous email addresses but they all are “@carterheavyindustries.cn” and not at gmail addresses.
  
  The email admin appears to have had complete control of the account but we don’t know if it was hacked. The Clintonmail emails stayed in the account for some years and are possibly in the possession of the NSA which would mean that the Clinton’s determined attempts to delete and wipe emails from the server itself were in vain. But it is possible that the contents of the gmail account were deleted in 2016.
  
  However in a side note, a significant number of the Clintonmail emails do apparently exist on the Wiener laptop.
  
  There’s more to come on this story yet; but the more sensational claim that the Chinese had a bcc copy of every Clintonmail email since 2009 is I believe unfounded and probably incorrect. Not that they didn’t get access to them necessarily, but not via this mechanism which does appear to be an archiving method by the admin (Paul Combetta I think, who posted on Reddit as “stonetear” asking how to remove email addresses permanently from archived messages, just by chance…)
  
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  August 27, 2019 8:48am
- igm
  
  Why is Metira Turei not in gaol. Is there something we, the public, should not know?
  
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  August 27, 2019 9:01am
  - sooty
    
    Cindy made a deal with the greens to keep her out of prison!
    
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    August 27, 2019 10:00am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    She’s politically protected from prosecution. Literally not one of the little people.
    
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    August 27, 2019 11:50am
  - MCos
    
    If everyone in NZ who transgressed on that scale over the years were suddenly called to account for some form of tax avoidance & were locked up we’d have nobody to build the new prisons.
    
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    August 27, 2019 3:50pm
- stephieboy
  
  Scott , email the President and his AG with this nonsense!
  
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  August 27, 2019 10:08am
  - Bykmad
    
    Stephie. Still haven’t told us what brand of electric car you drive.
    
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    August 27, 2019 12:28pm
- Komata
  
  Scott@0822
  
  Don’t forget that ‘Arkanside’ is a powerful deterrent…
  
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  August 27, 2019 11:24am
Billy Collins

So China had plans to encroach on Greenland.

Greenland were desperate for infrastructure, help, particularly with two new airports, and they weren’t getting it from Denmark, so in 2017 they went to China. Im sure we know what ends up happening when China “helps” with building airports. Then-Secretary of Defense, James Maddis, ended up getting Denmark to change their minds and get involved since the US has missile defense in Greenland.

” ‘China needs to carefully consider the possibility that a small and weak Greenlandic nation could emerge in the Arctic in the next 10 years,’ wrote Xiao Yang, director of the Arctic Research Center at Beijing International Studies University, in a recent paper. ‘This will be the key node for the successful implementation of the Polar Silk Road,’ ” The Journal reported.”

There seems to be some method to Trump’s madness.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/aug/21/buying-greenland-trump-haters-mock-the-idea-but-ch/
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August 27, 2019 8:23am
- stephieboy
  
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  There seems to be some method to Trump’s madness ??
  
  Like local Meth production?
  
  https://fas.org/irp/agency/doj/dea/product/meth/production.htm
  
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  August 27, 2019 10:11am
alloytoo

Suicide Rate.

Taking cognizance that this is not a political football, despite Jacinda making it so.

I can’t help but wonder if the rate would decline if we stopped telling youngsters that the world isn’t going to end and that it’s never going to get better than it is today.

Especially when all the evidence points to the contrary.
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August 27, 2019 8:24am
- Gravelroad
  
  No, the man from the mental Health Foundation stated on newstalkzb last evening that the reason so many young Maori were taking their lives was because of “colonialisation”.
  The radio host (think it was Mike Yardly) gave his opinion that cannabis (and other drug) addiction could play a big part in depression related suicide. Mental Health man said – no, alcohol to blame and should be more regulated.
  
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  August 27, 2019 8:48am
  - Ruahine
    
    Ah. The new wonder drug Cannabis. Solves all of our modern day problems. What has taken medical science so long to discover this good news. I suspect that those multinational corporates have been suppressing the good news.
    
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    August 27, 2019 11:45am
- cmm
  
  Blaming everything on colonialism is surely causing extra problems for Maori.
  
  Suicide mostly depends on two factors:
  1) Believing your life and the future is shit.
  2) Believing you cannot do anything about it.
  
  The relentless blaming of colonialism keeps hammering home the message that Maori can do nothing and have no control over their futures because of colonialism. They cannot fix the situation because of colonialism. If you had KFC and a Coke for brekkie it was colonialism.
  
  Telling a person they have no control over their actions and the trajectory of their lives is the single most destructive thing you can do to someone. This has robbed Maori of agency. No wonder they become despondent.
  
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  August 27, 2019 8:59am
  - Tall Man
    
    I concur fully.
    
    FFS, the world has never been a better place to live with all the opportunities that we would have never envisaged when we were young.
    
    My kids are doing great thanks to a decent enough education coupled with self respect and motivation.
    
    It’s easy if you look ahead…. not back.
    
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    August 27, 2019 9:26am
  - Nukuleka
    
    Come on Simon and Paula- start the push-back against this ‘colonisation’ garbage. Begin each utterance with ‘Speaking as a Maori…’
    
    We are waiting for you to take the lead. For heaven’s sake do it!
    
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    August 27, 2019 9:40am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    By the standards of any other time kiwi’s who kill themselves are incredibly fortunate, with huge opportunity and relatively high standards of living. But they are confronted daily with images and media pointing to their relative failure to measure up to the unrealistic ideals presented on TV etc.
    
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    August 27, 2019 11:55am
- MrTips
  
  Our suicide rate is high because our families are falling apart. People, esp. the young, see nothing of permanence in their family unit and have nothing to ground them.
  
  Our Western society is full on racing towards insanity and destruction by pretending that black is white with regards to the family.
  
  Bill English had a plan to try and deal with that but the media luvvies fell head over heels with vanity.
  
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  August 27, 2019 9:19am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  685 people! That is 13.4 Christchurch attacks, every single year!
  
  What is going on. Between that and road crashes, we are losing 1000 NZers a year.
  
  yet we are dicking around with trivia.
  
  Have to say that decriminalising psychotic substances probably not going to be that helpful!
  
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  August 27, 2019 9:19am
  - Right of way is Way of Right
    
    We are also losing over 600 men a year to prostate cancer. Where is the national outcry for a screening programme as we currently have in place for breast cancer? We see politicians of every stripe at the national prostate cancer foundation conference in every election year, but other years bring us nothing but tumbleweeds!
    
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    August 27, 2019 10:00am
    - Komata
      
      RoW@1000
      
      But, but it’s not a ‘Feminist’ issue so it can be ignored by the MSM and those who think they are important…
      
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      August 27, 2019 11:37am
  - sooty
    
    Yes, Brenton Tarrent did a lot at once, but!
    
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    August 27, 2019 10:04am
  - cmm
    
    Remember that many of the road fatalities are single male driver late at night. Many of those are likely suicide by vehicle.
    
    If you add those to the mix then the suicide number goes up.
    
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    August 27, 2019 10:37am
- Sacha
  
  @alloytoo : you make a good point.
  I remember my grandson aged 6 showing me a picture book – a harrowing story about whales dying (the conservation people were predicting imminent extinction at the time) and shedding tears as he told me that ‘All the whales are going to DIE, Gran’.
  Fortunately I was able to point out that it was just a story and NOT TRUE. I confiscated the book.
  
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  August 27, 2019 10:37am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    My daughter is getting the same indoctrination at school. singing songs about where have all the seals gone etc etc etc.
    
    We have modified it by adding verses about how we peeled and ate the seals for tea, used the wood from the forest to build warm houses, ate the emus, ploughed the fields to grow vegetables etc.
    
    made the evil propaganda dirge a bit more fun!
    
    🙂
    
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    August 27, 2019 11:27am
Happychappy

Why is it that the moment National start targeting the Coalition’s lies and the media jump out and try to change people minds and refer to it as dirty politics.
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/voters-warned-prepare-dirty-politics-battle-steps-up-online-year-election-v1?auto=6077206675001
They try to make out Bridges plus dirty Politics and that’s not Jacinda way, well why did her partner front the media praising Jacinda and Labour for the legislation passed through Parliament by her Government in the last 12 years which has been proved to be false,but the article has vanished from media sites.
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August 27, 2019 8:25am
- igm
  
  They are being run by union scum aligned to Little.
  
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  August 27, 2019 9:02am
- Prince
  
  Wow that is quite some hit job from our State-run TV.
  
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  August 27, 2019 9:07am
  - Tall Man
    
    It’s only a hit job if it finds the mark……
    
    These numpties haven’t realised that they are pissing into the wind…. which is getting stronger by the day.
    
    Expect a lot more crap from the dickwads like martin and psycho etc.
    
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    August 27, 2019 9:23am
Simon

Peters selected Ardern because he thought that National couldnt win fifth term. National in government now would be going out of power in 2020 taking NZ First with them. So go with Ardern she will win 2020 with out any issues. That is what usually happens.

Now he has a big problem. Ardern is a rank mong. Labo are a train wreck. Labo might just stagger over the finish line in 2020. But NZ First are finished post 2020 if they go with Labo as Ardern collapses in a heap.

The question for Peters is which of Labo or Nats in 2020 have the best chance in 2023? The answer is fairly obvious.
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August 27, 2019 8:32am
- Prince
  
  Doesn’t matter. He’s gone by Christmas 2020.
  
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  August 27, 2019 9:08am
  - Tall Man
    
    And what a “Joyous Christmas” it will be although I forecast a couple of tough years while National try to hone down an already massively bloated public service and reintroduce health and education targets.
    
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    August 27, 2019 9:21am
    - Sacha
      
      National always have to weed out the Public Service when it takes office.
      As well as sorting out the budget.
      Labour has acted as if it won mega Lotto, spraying cash around as if it came out of a bubble machine. When the voters realise that they have been duped yet again, they will act appropriately but in the meantime we have to try to protect ourselves.
      
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      August 27, 2019 10:44am
- Classic Liberal
  
  “Ardern is a rank mong”
  
  Simon, have you heard any former Ardern supporters say so, though? As far as I can see, they are utterly blind to her faults: “I think she’s doing an amaaaaayzing job” is the refrain I’ve heard.
  
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  August 27, 2019 2:51pm
Simon

Major Fentanyl Shipment from China Seized in Mexico

The Mexican government announced the major fentanyl seizure of initially reported by local media outlets to be approximately 25.75 tons

https://www.breitbart.com/border/2019/08/25/25-tons-of-fentanyl-from-china-seized-in-mexico/

Trump gets it right yet again. CCP could stop these shipments but dont. It isnt just economics.
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August 27, 2019 8:36am
- stephieboy
  
  There seems to be some method to Trump’s madness ??
  
  Like local US Meth production?
  
  https://fas.org/irp/agency/doj/dea/product/meth/production.htm
  
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  August 27, 2019 10:13am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  world medical consumption of Fentanyl is just 1/16th (1600kg) of that single bust. It’s an outright campaign of murder being waged by evil Chinese leadership.
  
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  August 27, 2019 11:59am
Tall Man

So tomorrow is GST and Provisional Tax payment day.

Hundreds of millions of dollars will be rolling into the coffers for ardern and the morons to start wasting.

Not one of the many “needy” recipients will be making payments tomorrow, just us workers.

I hope they appreciate us……. Yeah Right.
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August 27, 2019 8:39am
- alex Masterley
  
  I paid mine yesterday just to make sure it gets there.
  Not a word of thanks.
  Arseholes the lot of them.
  
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  August 27, 2019 8:59am
  - Tall Man
    
    Today for me but FFS, their website is a joke. I spend more time looking for the right page than actually filing and paying.
    
    Numpties that do “stuff” “because they can”, not because it’s needed.
    
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    August 27, 2019 9:18am
- Prince
  
  They spent it last year.
  They’re already spending next years tax take.
  
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  August 27, 2019 9:09am
Yvette

Clarke Gayford @NZClarke
In making NZ a better fairer place, a big congrats to the NZ Government for officially passing/changing more legislation in the last 7 month period than any government has FOR THE LAST DECADE.
Imagine if the job was full time eh.

Official confirmation from the horse’s mouth that the job is part-time.
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August 27, 2019 8:47am
- Humble Capitalist
  
  A couple of points for Gayford – He is claiming NZ is fairer for who? Regarding legislation – quantity is not the same as quality
  
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  August 27, 2019 9:00am
- alex Masterley
  
  He is the kind of yob that thinks it is all a big joke.
  And he is wrong about the quantity of legislation that has been passed as well.
  What a noddy.
  
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  August 27, 2019 9:00am
  - Ruahine
    
    He probably got the information from the woman he lives with.
    
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    August 27, 2019 11:34am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      The nappy more the like!
      
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      August 27, 2019 12:40pm
- kevn
  
  @Yvette… gayford is certainly a plonker.
  He isn’t ‘in-govt’ and should keep his nose out of it.
  Can you imagine any other PM’s spouse-(or in-waiting) offering such wisdom?
  Confirmation of part-time indeed. Own goal.
  
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  August 27, 2019 9:31am
- chaos
  
  Post the article on this from the herald yesterday. Gayford is lying the government hasn’t passed or changed more than governments of the past decade. He got caught lying.
  
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  August 27, 2019 9:40am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    It’s here, but useless for those like me who have made the decision not to subscribe to the Herald’s “premium” content.
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=12261963
    
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    August 27, 2019 9:45am
    - sooty
      
      That paper decides it’s premium content and hides it, so no one can see it!
      Proves it’s shit!
      Jethro should shut his trap!
      
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      August 27, 2019 10:12am
    - Tarquin North
      
      When I saw the bit about supporting great journalism I nearly burst out laughing. No wonder they’re slowly going down the drain. Why would anyone pay for that opinionated dross?
      
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      August 27, 2019 10:12am
      - sooty
        
        Some one who is losing the plot!
        
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        August 27, 2019 10:28am
    - chaos
      
      Yeah, but we get the most, he is a liar, and by looking at the govt website and search you can see he is way off
      
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      August 27, 2019 10:44am
- Hard Cheese
  
  That’s from the rider, not the horse
  
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  August 27, 2019 7:05pm
Maggie Pie

My partner was saying “Its great to see the arse finally falling out of the Honey market”. It’s always provided certain health benefits and he considers it to be ‘natures lubricant’. [But not at 16 bucks a jar]
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August 27, 2019 8:49am
- chaos
  
  We go out and get ours from the bee keeper. $25 for 5kg
  
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  August 27, 2019 9:29am
- Biscuit
  
  Sixteen bucks a JAR?
  
  And, let me guess, the ‘jar’ in question is a tiny 250 gram pottle?
  
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  August 27, 2019 9:45am
  - DigNap15
    
    yes honey and peanut butter are both over priced
    And people get sucked in by the hype.
    
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    August 27, 2019 9:55am
    - sooty
      
      Jesus, you would end up with a sticky micky using that for a “lubricant”!
      
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      August 27, 2019 10:15am
- Fletch
  
  I noticed the other day in Countdown that the more expensive jars of Manuka honey were ‘dummies’ on the shelf and you had to take them to the checkout to exchange for the real thing. Thieves steal anything these days….
  
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  August 27, 2019 9:52am
  - Straight arrow
    
    Apologies:
    Sticky fingers?
    
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    August 27, 2019 2:40pm
Humble Capitalist

Even Kerre McIvor slammed Ardern and the `government’ on ZB yesterday. `Totally out of their depth’, `not ready to govern’, `I feel like I could do a better job than Ardern and if that’s the case that’s a real worry. Theres no way I should be running the country and theres no way that woman should be either’.
Kerre went on to say that she went for Bill English in 2017 because he had a plan and a knowledge of the facts and figures. Ardern had aspirations with no plan or discussion of the detail.
The COL are even driving Kerre McIvor mad with their incompetence.
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August 27, 2019 8:52am
- Fletch
  
  LOL, I heard that sound bite too. She said something along the lines that Ardern’s promises were ephemeral and nice-sounding but that she had no plans to back them up.
  
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  August 27, 2019 9:53am
- Poppa
  
  Wow for her to say that things are a bit grim.
  
  Thanks for listening, I cannot do it myself
  
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  August 27, 2019 1:00pm
Hugh Pavletich

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
… CHINA …

Hong Kong protests threaten China’s plan to turn Shenzhen into model city, says ex-vice minister … South China Morning Post

https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3024407/hong-kong-protests-threaten-chinas-plan-turn-shenzhen-model

• Long Yongtu, China’s former chief trade negotiator, says ‘if there is a problem in Hong Kong, Shenzhen will inevitably be dragged down’

• Anti-government protests have taken place in Hong Kong for the last 12 weeks, raising questions whether its place in the Greater Bay Area plan will be decreased

Plans to make Shenzhen the model city for China and the world will only succeed alongside a successful and stable Hong Kong, and not at the expense of the special administration region, according to China’s former chief trade negotiator. … read more via hyperlink above …
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Tide Goes Out for China’s Skinny-Dipping Banks … Bloomberg / The Washington Post

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/tide-goes-out-for-chinas-skinny-dipping-banks/2019/08/25/2cf36658-c78c-11e9-9615-8f1a32962e04_story.html
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August 27, 2019 8:55am
- All_on_Red
  
  China has used dollar credit multiplier from its UST buys and commodity trading. It then loaned out dollars to its state backed banks and corporations, but being Chinese.. they cheated also…creating the worlds largest Ponzi scheme. Now dollar shortages will expose it badly.
  
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  August 27, 2019 9:11am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  UPDATE …
  
  The turmoil in Hong Kong stems in part from its unaffordable housing … The Economist
  
  https://www.economist.com/china/2019/08/22/the-turmoil-in-hong-kong-stems-in-part-from-its-unaffordable-housing
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  Chinese international student exodus sounds death knell for universities … Leith van Onselen … MacroBusiness Australia
  
  https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/08/chinese-international-student-exodus-sounds-death-knell-universities/
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  Earlier important article …
  
  ‘Brutal consequences’: Ansell warns China over exodus of manufacturers … Darren Gray … Sydney Morning Herald
  
  https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/brutal-consequences-ansell-warns-china-over-exodus-of-manufacturers-20190812-p52gat.html
  
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  August 27, 2019 10:02am
All_on_Red

‘The foreign debt built up by Chinese companies is about a third bigger than official data show, adding to the pressure on the country’s currency reserves as a wave of repayment obligations approaches in 2020.
On top of the $2 trillion in liabilities to foreigners captured in official data, mainland Chinese firms have around another $650 billion in debts built up by subsidiaries overseas, according to Bloomberg calculations.’
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-08-25/china-s-companies-have-unseen-foreign-debt-that-s-maturing-fast
‘(A) supermassive black hole at the center of global dollar funding markets.
The black hole is the foreign RRP facility, which has seen close to $100 billion of inflows since the beginning of the year.
The driver of these inflows is the curve inversion, and the longer the inversion persists the more inflows will follow. The trade war is also contributing to the inflows – given the inversion, as foreign central banks weaken their currencies they “buy” the foreign Reverse Repurchsse facility and not Treasuries like in the past.’
‘This suggests the Fed may have overdone its hiking cycle, something that now can only be fixed with rate cuts. (Which incidentally also means, eek, Donald Trump might be right about Powell’s policy.)’
https://ftalphaville.ft.com/2019/08/22/1566491938000/There-s-a-black-hole-in-the-dollar-funding-market/

China needs US $ badly.
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August 27, 2019 8:58am
- stephieboy
  
  ANd the US needs CHina badly!
  
  China’s $1.2 trillion weapon that could be used in a trade war with the US
  KEY POINTS
  
  China holds $1.17 trillion of U.S. government debt.
  Economists and investors worry if there is a trade war, China could reduce its U.S. debt holdings as a political weapon against the Trump administration tariffs proposal.
  If that happens, the dollar could fall and other countries could follow suit and sell their holdings.
  If China reduces its buying at a time when the U.S. is increasing its supply of new Treasuries into the market, that could lead to a rout in the bond market.
  
  https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/05/chinas-1-point-2-trillion-weapon-that-could-be-used-in-a-us-trade-war.html
  
  LOL
  
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  August 27, 2019 10:14am
  - All_on_Red
    
    WRONG!
    ‘However, Beijing is unlikely to weaponize its vast holdings of American debt because such a dramatic step would likely backfire, perhaps badly. It would deplete China’s own financial resources, dent confidence in the country as a responsible actor and spook global markets. And it’s not even clear that dumping Treasuries would even have the desired impact of hurting the United States.
    “China is not going to do that. It’s a pointless exercise,” said Barry Bannister, head of institutional equity strategy at Stifel.’
    ‘However, analysts don’t believe that China would actually dump Treasuries in part because it would be tantamount to shooting itself in the foot. A fire sale would cause its own holdings to lose value.
    LeBas called it the “rip your nose off” strategy.
    “The last thing they want is to hurt the value of their remaining holdings,” said Michael Hirson, the former chief representative for the US Treasury Department in China.’
    https://edition.cnn.com/2019/05/31/business/china-dumping-treasuries-debt-trade-war/index.html
    
    Also, they don’t hold enough. The sale would just be absorbed by the market.
    Nice try though my hapless little friend.
    
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    August 27, 2019 10:36am
Happychappy

Great win for NZ Cricket last evening to level the series at one all, to make it even greater to bowl the hosts out in just over two sessions is a feat not often seen on there home soil.
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August 27, 2019 9:00am
- Prince
  
  A great win spoilt by Russell Arnold’s terminally boring commentary.
  
  Where’s Smithy when he’s needed ?
  
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  August 27, 2019 9:12am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Smith only works for first tier cricket productions, and all power to him. Still, at least we didn’t have to endure Danny Morrison!
    
    In addition, Smith is contracted to Sky Sport during the winter for sideline coverage of rugby.
    
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    August 27, 2019 9:41am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Yes, It was an excellent performance from the Blackcaps. Unfortunately, because two days of their one warm-up game before the first test were washed out and the batsmen didn’t get a chance for practice in the local conditions, they were always behind the eight ball in the first test.
  
  Between a fascinating night’s cricket last night, and the excitement of the Ashes the night before, it’s safe to say that reports of Test Cricket’s demise are premature.
  
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  August 27, 2019 9:37am
- DigNap15
  
  or their home soil
  
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  August 27, 2019 9:57am
All_on_Red

Electability Of Dem Candidates:
what voters think who will win the 2020 Election
Trump 40
Biden 34

Trump 45
Sanders 32

Trump 44
Warren 29

Trump 48
Harris 22

Trump 51
Buttigieg 16
The Economist/YouGov Poll
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August 27, 2019 9:10am
- Fletch
  
  God help us if any of those Dem losers become president. President Sanders? President Biden? President Warren? I just don’t see it.
  
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  August 27, 2019 9:56am
  - PhilP
    
    President Sanders will be nicknamed by the GOP as President “Colonel” Sanders!
    
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    August 27, 2019 5:18pm
  - Tall Man
    
    batman has “high” hopes………..
    
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    August 27, 2019 8:26pm
- atomic drop
  
  Interesting. How accurate has that poll been over the years?
  
  My sources have Trump’s approval through the floor in those rust belt states that he should be flying high in.
  
  Trump threw his support base under the bus – where’s the wall?
  
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  August 27, 2019 9:59am
  - All_on_Red
    
    What are your sources?
    Trump won his case in the Supreme Court to use Military Funds so the Wall is being started
    ‘The U.S. Customs and Border Protection unveiled a stretch of new border wall on the Southern Border and said it completed at least 60 miles in all.
    “Construction crews continue work on the new border wall system along the SW border near San Luis” in Arizona, the agency wrote on Twitter.
    So far, more than 60 miles have been constructed “along the SW border since 2017,” and the agency is expected to “complete 450 miles by the end of 2020,” the tweet read.’
    https://m.theepochtimes.com/border-patrol-unveils-60-miles-of-us-mexico-border-wall-in-drone-footage_3055182.html
    
    Iirc, he only wants about 700 miles.
    
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    August 27, 2019 10:43am
    - All_on_Red
      
      A lot of old fencing is being replaced too
      https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2019-08-10/new-fence-replaces-decades-old-border-wall-in-san-diego
      
      As for his base, Trumps approval amongst Republicans is at 94%
      It’s risen amongst Independents too as both groups are happy with the Economy.I still think he needs to come up with a Healthcare solution to be sure of the win. And Debt reduction would help too.
      
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      August 27, 2019 10:55am
    - atomic drop
      
      “What are your sources?”
      
      I keep my best cards close to my chest. Lets just say I was the only one in my social circle being laughed at because I said Trump had a fighting chance of winning the 2016 election. And I was able to explain why – which states he could take and sweep the electoral college. I sure enjoyed watching the smirks get wiped off their smug liberal faces in the aftermath!
      
      “at least 60 miles in all.”
      
      Optics.
      
      Trump had the power in his first 2 years before losing the House to get that wall built. Instead there are more 3rd worlders flooding in than ever. And Trump starts babbling on about how USA needs legal third worlders to fill the factories.
      
      Trumps core base are turned off by his Make Israel Great Again pivot and prattling on about how black unemployment is the lowest its ever been. This is not what got them out to the polls in 2016.
      
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      August 27, 2019 11:00am
      - Batman
        
        Well done you then, it all came down to 70,000 votes in swing States, which is tighter than one of our elections!
        
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        August 27, 2019 11:10am
      - All_on_Red
        
        ‘Trump had the power in his first 2 years ‘
        True. Paul Ryan f***ked him though. I think Trump underestimated how many Republicans were in Corporate Americas pocket. (Ok, its bad on both sides…)
        If Trump gets a decent swing of support from Blacks he’s probably got a good chance.
        Especially in the swing States.
        The US ain’t all corn belt farmers.
        It’s going to be a fascinating contest.
        
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        August 27, 2019 11:21am
      - atomic drop
        
        @ All On Red
        
        “If Trump gets a decent swing of support from Blacks ”
        
        At best the blacks won’t bother turning up to the polls, they HATED Hillary.
        
        “The US ain’t all corn belt farmers.”
        
        That’s right, its got Globalist megalopolises teaming with middle aged childless white cat ladies, broke over educated barista hipsters, third world leaf blowers and rich cosmopolitan “coastal elites”. The fact they are dog piled in urban centers has been a big disadvantage for our globalist overlords vis a vis the electoral college.
        
        Demographics is destiny, and this Globalist horde will soon overwhelm the US electoral system. A Trump or ANY Republican president will be a mathematical impossibility.
        
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        August 27, 2019 11:58am
    - stephieboy
      
      Trump concedes border wall construction is replacement and ‘pure renovation’
      
      President Donald Trump pushed back Wednesday against “haters” who say he is making little headway on his signature campaign promise of building a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border, though he admitted that much of the work currently being done was “pure renovation.”
      “Much of the Wall being built at the Southern Border is a complete demolition and rebuilding of old and worthless barriers with a brand new Wall and footings. Problem is, the Haters say that is not a new Wall, but rather a renovation. Wrong, and we must build where most needed,” he wrote on Twitter. “Also, tremendous work is being done on pure renovation – fixing existing Walls that are in bad condition and ineffective, and bringing them to a very high standard!”
      
      https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/22/trump-mexico-border-wall-immigration-1338452
      
      Plus Trump has only built 46.7 miles 2% of the 1900 mile border
      
      https://www.newsweek.com/trump-border-wall-built-progress-how-much-1446311
      
      LOL!
      
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      August 27, 2019 2:06pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Your Newsweek report is from February and Politico from May. It’s almost September.
        Do try to keep up.
        Btw, because of natural barriers they only need barriers for about 700 miles.
        You’ve only been told this about 59 times.
        You’re quite stupid eh
        
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        August 27, 2019 4:33pm
  - Batman
    
    Here is the most recent Fox News Poll:
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-8-15
    
    Dig into the results, it is very interesting.
    
    Trump’s reaction:
    https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/18/trump-fox-news-polls-not-happy-1467182
    
    That poll had Trump losing (this is head to head so not electoral college of course) to Biden, Harris, Sanders, and Warren:
    https://www.newsweek.com/fox-poll-shows-trump-trouble-every-top-democrat-2020-1454718
    
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    August 27, 2019 3:16pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Saw that.
      The problem with the Fox Poll is they Poll Registered Voters.
      You get a broader cross section if you Poll ‘likely voters’
      
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      August 27, 2019 4:37pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Actually I sort of go ‘meh’ to Polls at this stage.
        In fact based on the past few years I really don’t have a lot of faith in US Polls.
        Your Fox sample was 1000 people.
        I don’t think it’s enough really.
        I’d like to see DPF do a post on Polling.
        
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        August 27, 2019 4:58pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Sorry for the fragmented posting. I’m trying to finish something else off
        This might help
        https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/01/07/why-the-likely-voter-is-the-holy-grail-of-polling/
        
        We’ll educate you yet young man.
        (Stephie though, is just too dumb)
        
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        August 27, 2019 5:14pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Incredible how lame the 4 leading Dem contenders all are. Biden doddery as fuck, Sanders doddery loopy leftie, Fauxahontas (the least senile but peddling identity politics), and fuck-my-way-to-the-top Harris.
  
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  August 27, 2019 12:06pm
  - Batman
    
    At this point in 2007, Obama was still an outsider. He was until he won Iowa.
    
    I guess what I’m saying is that I don’t expect any of those four (except maybe Harris) to end up in the final few.
    
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    August 27, 2019 12:15pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Shit, I didn’t know obuma was back in the race.
      
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      August 27, 2019 8:24pm
Maggie Pie

Its actually quite funny, but when I first heard the name ‘Meng Foon’ a few weeks ago I said to my partner, “He sounds like a bit of a worry”

https://twitter.com/jacktame/status/1165947027294842880
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August 27, 2019 9:10am
- Tall Man
  
  FFS, the comments reveal that we do have a real problem in NZ… a surfeit of idiots.
  
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  August 27, 2019 9:39am
- Tony Stuart
  
  What will get lost in the furore of Meng Foon declaring New Zealand to be racist, is that he told Jack Tame last night, much to Tame’s disappointment, that the Crusaders should not have to change their name.
  
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  August 27, 2019 9:39am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    But what about where it sez “He supports new Hate Speech laws”.
    My partner was wondering when they got passed – or does Mr Foon know something we dont?
    
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    August 27, 2019 9:50am
  - DigNap15
    
    Gee I wish i’d seen that.
    Jack Tame is a sickly white liberal maori hugging apologist.
    I despise him.
    
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    August 27, 2019 9:59am
  - Jack5
    
    Tony, I agree Meng commendably resisted the oily Tame’s manoeuvring to get him to support a Crusaders name change, but I thought Meng said the name “was up to the Crusaders” rather than actually saying the name should not be changed.
    
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    August 27, 2019 10:14am
    - Tall Man
      
      Just another PC trougher. Sorry Maggy, you had high hopes but all he saw was “higher salary”.
      
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      August 27, 2019 8:22pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I am looking forward to seeing Meng in his new role.
  
  I will be very surprised if Meng sings from the PC song-sheet. (and, trust me, he will sing…)
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10677802
  
  The man is an unpredictable force- unique unto himself
  
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  August 27, 2019 9:58am
- Inandout
  
  ‘Meng the Merciless’. We really need a Flash Gordon to sort this superfluous government office out.
  
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  August 27, 2019 10:54am
- Komata
  
  Maggie@0910
  
  Thank you.
  
  I note that he advocates the teaching of NZ History in schools but that he doesn’t say which one: The ‘sanitized’ ‘PC ‘Maori all good, Whitey totally bad’ one, or the one about actual events.
  
  Regrettably, I suspect he is advocating for the former…
  
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  August 27, 2019 11:54am
All_on_Red

https://www.weathernationtv.com/news/slowest-start-to-hurricane-season-since-2014/
‘What is the reason the (Hurricane) season has been off to a slower start than recent years?’

Nuclear deterrence?
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August 27, 2019 9:38am
- Tall Man
  
  Fear of the “Crusaders”……
  
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  August 27, 2019 9:40am
- Prince
  
  Replacing Beauden was always going to take time.
  
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  August 27, 2019 9:56am
  - sooty
    
    Who?
    
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    August 27, 2019 10:21am
  - Tall Man
    
    And we have it 😉
    
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    August 27, 2019 8:20pm
Bobba Fret

How much longer before the ombudsman decides JAG has to release her letter?
Why do these things take so long?
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August 27, 2019 9:48am
- Tall Man
  
  Waiting for something to distract voters… a rapist in the pm’s office… no that’s not it… gaylord’s tweet.. That should do it.
  
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  August 27, 2019 8:20pm
Jack5

The new Race Relations Commissioner, Meng Liu Foon, in media interviews has been portrayed in the media as a man of solid character as he most probably is, but don’t be dewie-eyed about him.

In a TV interview he has shown signs of Leftist activism. I’m talking about his views that he wants schools to teach the Land wars – the Maori wars. He touched on the effects of “colonisation”.

So stand by for Meng weighing in on the Leftist inspired and led “decolonisation” war being waged by indigenous activists in countries around the world.

The role of Race Relations Commissioner is surely to adjudicate on allegations of current race discrimination in New Zealand, not to take part in a political-cultural war.

Meng’s politics in action will likely be reasonably parallel to those of his boss, the Human Rights Commissioner, Paul Hunt, a Corbynist academic recruited from Britain. Similarly, former Race Relations Commissioner, the Marxist Joris de Bres, will not be discomfited by Meng’s appointment. Nor will the last Race Relations Commissioner, the flibbertigibbet Dame Devoid.

Meng, commendably fluent in the Maori language as a former mayor of a city in a region with a big Maori population, has been getting a sweetheart run from the Leftist State electronic media and the Left-wing Stuff chain. For a little balance, here’s a piece from Meng’s time as Mayor of Gisborne:

. (From the Herald on Sunday): … following confirmation of the Ngati Porou deal, arranged under the controversial Foreshore and Seabed Act 2004. Gisborne mayor Meng Foon said he did not believe many people would be disadvantaged by reduced access to the beach, as 90 per cent of the East Coast population was Maori anyway.

There are minorities – and there are minorities.

Also watch out for Meng’s views on free speech. He will likely lean towards control of what people can freely say.
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August 27, 2019 9:59am
- atomic drop
  
  “The role of Race Relations Commissioner is surely…not to take part in a political-cultural war.”
  
  What you mean to say is a RACE war, against whites right?
  
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  August 27, 2019 10:22am
  - Jack5
    
    Atomic Drop, no, that’s is not what I wanted to say.
    
    It’s not clear whether you are a lefty being sarcastic or are an actual political incendiarist, but my response is: No, not right.
    
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    August 27, 2019 10:34am
    - atomic drop
      
      “political-cultural war”
      
      Please explain this without referring to race/tribe/ethnic group.
      
      [Puts bag of popcorn in microwave while waiting.]
      
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      August 27, 2019 11:31am
      - Jack5
        
        You can take it as meaning, in this context, anything beyond presiding over race-discrimination complaints.
        
        Now tell us about this phrase of yours – “RACE war, against whites…”
        
        [Will need a shopping trolley of popcorn for the wait.]
        
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        August 27, 2019 3:12pm
- kowtow
  
  ‘Also watch out for Meng’s views on free speech. He will likely lean towards control of what people can freely say.’
  
  The control will be on what certain people can say.
  Pale , stale males will be the target.
  
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  August 27, 2019 1:07pm
- Tall Man
  
  He wouldn’t have gotten the job if he didn’t fit the narrative.
  
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  August 27, 2019 8:16pm
Right of way is Way of Right

What National need to do is to keep the superannuation age at 65, but make it compulsory to retire at 65!

They can call it the Peters clause!
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August 27, 2019 10:02am
- Jules99
  
  I gather that people who get super and continue to work pay quite high taxes on it – I would want to see the data on that before forcing people out of work and reducing the tax take. Might be good, freeing up jobs for the young.
  
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  August 27, 2019 11:07am
- Tall Man
  
  I’ll work when I want, and stop when I don’t.
  
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  August 27, 2019 8:14pm
atomic drop

Anyone read the story in the Herald about a young family attacked on Waiheke Island by a gang of chain and hammers wielding psychos led by a blond? Its like a scene out of Mad Max

I dunno seems really really sus to me:

Waiheke Iskand – about as pussified as you can get, crawling with day tourists and filthy rich boomer white liberals.

Happened in broad daylight on a suburban street.

Sustained 5 minute assault on family in their ute. One perp wrapped chain around hand to assault husband. Then more perps arrive with hammers, crowbars.

The wife says they went to police and were told there was a witness. In fact the only source of the story is the wife. Doesn’t seem like the nzherald “journalist” has bothered to verify anything.

Hmmmm.
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August 27, 2019 10:14am
- Jules99
  
  As the mad butcher discovered to his cost, there is a diverse population on the island. Low crimes though, because crims can’t go anywhere and outside of holiday time most people know each other. Which leads me to believe its a falling out in the whanau.
  
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  August 27, 2019 11:04am
  - atomic drop
    
    No, pic shows lily white wife and husband is “Kumar”.
    
    Its only her story as far as the article goes – young family going to the local beach for fush and chups, terrorised by post apocalypse cannibalistic punk gang.
    
    Mel Gibson called, he wants the film script back!
    
    Hmmmm.
    
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    August 27, 2019 11:38am
    - sooty
      
      The blonde could be peroxide!
      
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      August 27, 2019 1:04pm
      - Tauhei Notts
        
        Was her name “Evonik”?
        
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        August 27, 2019 1:32pm
    - Classic Liberal
      
      I know a lily white, blonde eighth Maori. And some quite ‘Maori’ looking people who have no connection at all.
      
      Melanin levels prove nothing.
      
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      August 27, 2019 3:08pm
stephieboy

Trumpistas the science behind this?

What would dropping a nuclear bomb on a hurricane do?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/115301480/what-would-dropping-a-nuclear-bomb-on-a-hurricane-do
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August 27, 2019 10:22am
- atomic drop
  
  Meanwhile in stephieboy’s anti white echo chamber the senile mutterings of Dem first choice Biden are reverberating:
  
  “I want to be clear, I’m not going nuts!”
  
  https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-08-26/im-not-going-nuts-biden-swears-hes-sane-amid-senior-moments-and-gaffes-galore
  
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  August 27, 2019 10:36am
- Jack5
  
  A new shade of meaning for a “wintry blast”.
  
  Could the technology be adapted to nuke rain into central Australia – or even Stephiestan?
  
  I would prefer nuke technology to stop rain:
  
  https://youtu.be/coK1b2L7UCc
  
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  August 27, 2019 10:43am
- Fletch
  
  Trump denied making any such statements – said it was FAKE NEWS.
  
  The story by Axios that President Trump wanted to blow up large hurricanes with nuclear weapons prior to reaching shore is ridiculous. I never said this. Just more FAKE NEWS!
  
  — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) August 26, 2019
  
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  August 27, 2019 10:44am
  - Batman
    
    A denial from Trump is basically confirmation that he did in fact say it.
    
    I personally think he asked in a flippant way, like “what if we just nuke it? Problem solved.” But I don’t know if Trump does flippant or not, it’s hard to tell.
    
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    August 27, 2019 11:02am
    - All_on_Red
      
      ‘A denial from Trump is basically confirmation that he did in fact say it.’
      Congratulations! Moronic comment of the day!
      
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      August 27, 2019 11:08am
      - Batman
        
        Have you been on holiday or something mate?
        
        Trump has flip-flopped on at least half-a-dozen things in the last week, inside 24 hours even. Taxes, guns, recession, trade war, straight out denying he said something when it was on tape, even.
        
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        August 27, 2019 3:58pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Really?
        Be easy for you to do a list then. You do realise that people change their minds eh.
        Frankly I find most of the time this sort of accusation is said, it’s people paraphrasing his words.
        We saw that the other day about encouraging US companies to manufacture in other countries not China.
        As for his purported comment about nuking Hurricanes, how about putting up that tape then?
        You do seem to tell lies yourself so off you go.
        Prove Trump said it.
        
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        August 27, 2019 4:24pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Actually Batty, while we’re chatting.
        Can you advise how long someone has to hold an opinion before you allow them to change their mind?
        Thanks
        
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        August 27, 2019 6:03pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Ha, they gotcha Stephie.
  Just like Pavlovs Dog you fell for it.
  ‘The story by Axios that President Trump wanted to blow up large hurricanes with nuclear weapons prior to reaching shore is ridiculous. I never said this. Just more FAKE NEWS!’
  @realDonaldTrump
  LOL
  
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  August 27, 2019 10:48am
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    All on Red , Jonathan Swan is adamant the the President did say it and is not FAKE NEWS,
    
    https://time.com/5661380/trump-hurricanes-nukes-nuclear-bombs/
    
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    August 27, 2019 1:55pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Prove it.
      Swan claims it was memorialised. So off you go.
      Wouldn’t be the first time a journalist has lied about Trump.
      
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      August 27, 2019 4:28pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        OMG
        Look what else Trump has said!
        https://babylonbee.com/news/trump-suggests-flying-around-tornadoes-with-snowspeeders-and-tripping-them-with-tow-cables
        
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        August 27, 2019 6:01pm
- Inandout
  
  Dumber than dumb stephie.
  
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  August 27, 2019 10:55am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    tautological.
    
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    August 27, 2019 12:10pm
Jack5

The media is labelling people as refugees and escapees when they break away from the Christian cult at Gloriavale, on the West Coast.

These folk, New Zealanders, typically with large families and limited formal skills that will get them jobs need and deserve every bit as much help as Muslim refugees that the United Nations funnels into New Zealand.

In the meantime, the enthusiasm with which the media hammers this Christian cult contrasts with the media fawning over Muslims.
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August 27, 2019 10:23am
- atomic drop
  
  Gloriavale gets the feminist narrative spin a la The Hand Maiden’s Tale by our Globalist media. Its all about the poor girls trapped in a (white) patriarchal tyranny.
  
  Islam adherents get the white racism spin – victims of white racists, who are “gifts of love” and will be the next Steve Jobs, so we (whites) can’t possibly survive as a civilisation without them etc etc.
  
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  August 27, 2019 10:43am
  - Batman
    
    Re your first para, it is probably the closest thing NZ has to the handmaid’s tale so it’s not completely insane to make the comparison…
    
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    August 27, 2019 11:04am
    - atomic drop
      
      No, those muslims you imported are probably the closest thing we have to the Handmaids Tale.
      
      You can spot them on the streets around Auckland, the men dressed casual, females covered top to bottom and following behind like obedient dogs.
      
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      August 27, 2019 11:20am
Maggie Pie

RANDOM QUESTION:

If Islam is the religion of peace – why isn’t there peace in the Middle East?
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August 27, 2019 10:37am
- Fletch
  
  True. I think the standard answer is that there will indeed be peace – when everyone believes the same thing.. By force if needs be.
  
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  August 27, 2019 11:21am
  - Tall Man
    
    When they’re all dead.
    
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    August 27, 2019 8:06pm
- Yvette
  
  Maggie, it’s “pieces” – just lost a little in translation
  
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  August 27, 2019 12:09pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  I am sure that they have slightly more peaceful periods in the lulls after they have raped and slaughtered all the men, women, children and goats who don’t follow their version of Islamic doctrine.
  
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  August 27, 2019 12:14pm
coge

Rob Macann, (Labour Otaki) has his hoardings up in Kapiti. Don’t believe he’s running in the local elections. Maybe he wants a greater profile leading up to next year (when Nathan Guy retires). Or (just maybe) Labour are considering going to the polls early to get a “fresh mandate”.
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August 27, 2019 11:08am
- Inandout
  
  coge, Macann wouldn’t have dog’s show of getting in by votes, but as a Listy….
  
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  August 27, 2019 11:51am
  - coge
    
    The Horowhenua expressway being brought to a halt, the employment and growth that would have brought to the region. “Thanks Labour” Whoever stands here needs to remember who they are representing.
    
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    August 27, 2019 12:53pm
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Indeed, and Nathan Guy has organised protests throughout the electorate slagging Labour off for their roading decisions. Labour doesn’t have a snowball’s chance in hell of winning the Otaki electorate, even with Guy retiring. His replacement will have Guy’s tick of approval, and will bolt in.
      
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      August 27, 2019 1:20pm
      - plc
        
        “He”….not these days
        
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        August 27, 2019 2:44pm
Maggie Pie

Just been listening to Mike Yardley on ZB. He was interviewing Chch Mayoor Leanne Dalzeil. Subject was ”Cycle Ways’. A caller asked… “if she had biked to the studio?”
Her response, “Well no, I didn’t want to arrive all hot and sweaty”
She wouldn’t want to get dropped off in my partners new Carrera Turbo then. LOL!!
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August 27, 2019 11:10am
- chaos
  
  Zero chance of her arriving hot.
  
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  August 27, 2019 11:26am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    🙂
    
    And surely she gave yet another reason why NOBODY should bike anywhere! Smelly road maggots.
    Yet she was saying Chch is spending $250mil on cycle ways. Honestly, you would think they had more important infa structure things to worry about down there?
    
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    August 27, 2019 11:54am
    - chaos
      
      Change the name of theM and get sponsorship to build them. Lime scooter lanes. Settled.
      
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      August 27, 2019 12:11pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Jesus that’s insane. Rare to see so much money spent for so little benefit. Who voted for these idiots?
      
      Then again $100 million for the Hamilton-Auckland commuter train, 2.5 hour trip time each way, slower than a bus. Will the cumulative number of users of the service ever reach 10000?
      
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      August 27, 2019 12:18pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Pink….
      
      https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1989-porsche-911-carrera-targa-16/
      
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      August 27, 2019 6:41pm
- alloytoo
  
  Why do the rest of us have to arrive at our location Hot and sweaty?
  
  Exotic cars notwithstanding.
  
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  August 27, 2019 11:48am
Jack5

An acquaintance phoned me this morning and asked me to explain using a technology called “VPN” to access overseas television.

My knowledge of this was and is zero.

Do any of you Kiwibloggers know about this, and how it works, and what you can get?
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August 27, 2019 11:20am
- graham
  
  I don’t know anything about VPNs, but as a starting point tell your acquaintance to head to https://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=151
  
  Lots of info there.
  
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  August 27, 2019 11:44am
- alloytoo
  
  A virtual private network allows you to browse Geo-controlled on demand websites without disclosing your location.
  
  There are a host of people providing this service and some browsers (Opera) offer VPN as a feature.
  
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  August 27, 2019 11:47am
- atomic drop
  
  Lots of VPN services available. You tend to get what you pay for.
  
  Check up to date Top 10 VPN type tech blog posts and youtube for which one is most suitable for your use case, budget etc.
  
  Usually straight forward to install on Windows OS devices. But may need a bit of fine tuning around firewalls, antivirus software etc.
  
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  August 27, 2019 12:07pm
  - Batman
    
    Millennial tip: if you have third party anti-virus security software (Norton, McAfee etc), get rid of it. It’s more of a risk to your computer than it is a safeguard. It’s a waste of money, usually sold by retailers looking to make a few extra bucks.
    
    Use the built in stuff from Microsoft/Apple as it is more powerful and updated more often.
    
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    August 27, 2019 12:12pm
    - Tall Man
      
      And most international service providers are well aware of VPNs so it doesn’t always give you what you want.
      
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      August 27, 2019 6:35pm
surfing

Black mirror becomes reality.

https://www.fastcompany.com/90394048/uh-oh-silicon-valley-is-building-a-chinese-style-social-credit-system
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August 27, 2019 11:21am
Hugh Pavletich

… NEW ZEALAND …

‘Nothing’s too big to fail’ warns Reserve Bank Governor Adrian Orr … Thomas Coughlan … Stuff New Zealand

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/115304415/nothings-too-big-to-fail-warns-reserve-bank-governor-adrian-orr

Reserve Bank Governor Adrian Orr aimed another shot at the big four Australian-owned banks, warning that none of them were too big to fail.

“There’s always been a concept: too big to close,” Orr said.

“[But] Nothing’s too big to fail”.

Orr also warned that if one of the big four banks were to close, it would bring the other three down with it. … read more via hyperlink above …
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Other than Hong Kong China at a 20.9 Median Multiple, New Zealand has the worst housing affordability of the nations surveyed within this year’s 15th Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey ( access all Surveys via http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org ) at 6.5 Median Multiple.

… Australia is 5.6; United Kingdom 4.8; Singapore 4.6; Canada 4.0; Ireland 3.7 and the United States 3.5.
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The New Zealand authorities at both central and local level have had 15 years ( since the release of the 1st Demographia Survey early 2005 ) to learn from the affordable and near affordable States of the United States …

The average home price in every American state – and what you get for your money | Marissa Perino | Stuff.co.nz

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/113894360/the-average-home-price-in-every-american-state–and-what-you-get-for-your-money?rm=m

… but it is an excruciatingly slow and embarrassing process …access this recent barrage of braindead bureaucratic b – s …

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/08/links-23-august-2019/#comment-3416572

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/08/links-22-august-2019/#comment-3415288
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Excessive ‘multiple stretch’ ( in pricing and the lending terms that inevitably are a part of it ) is extremely dangerous.

… The Irish learned that out of the 2007 event, when housing across its metros went from an average of 4.7 Median Multiple in 2007 to 2.8 some years later.

The Central Bank of Ireland subsequent research ( accessible via link below ) found that excessive multiple stretch caused more problems that high Loan to Value ratio lending.

All Irelands Banks were put to the wall, requiring bailouts from European financial institutions of about 70 billion euro.

The Central Bank of Ireland then responsibly imposed a general lending cap of 3.5 times gross annual household earnings …

Mortgage Measures – Central Bank of Ireland

https://www.centralbank.ie/financial-system/financial-stability/macro-prudential-policy/mortgage-measures
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August 27, 2019 11:38am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  Clearly … the New Zealand public is getting fed up with the Labour – led governments incompetence and failure to deliver …
  
  Jacinda Ardern says drop in popularity natural for Government taking on big issues … Henry Cooke … Stuff NZ
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/115307809/jacinda-ardern-says-drop-in-popularity-natural-for-government-taking-on-big-issues
  
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  August 27, 2019 12:24pm
  - sooty
    
    Give it a rest hughie!
    
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    August 27, 2019 12:57pm
- sooty
  
  Reported for link whoring!
  
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  August 27, 2019 3:53pm
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    STAND ALONE HOME BUILDING GOING FORWARD … WATCH THOSE MILLENIIALS ! …
    
    First … view and read a report from the United States …
    
    Why a millennial housing boom is coming … Yahoo New Zealand
    
    https://nz.news.yahoo.com/why-a-millennial-housing-boom-is-coming-174448027.html
    
    … and New Zealand …
    
    Survey finds Kiwis’ backyard dream still alive and well – Westpac Bank Survey … Scoop NZ
    
    http://business.scoop.co.nz/2019/05/28/survey-finds-kiwis-backyard-dream-still-alive-and-well/
    
    The ‘New Zealand Dream’ is still alive … Wendell Cox … New Geography
    
    http://www.newgeography.com/content/006327-the-new-zealand-dream-still-alive
    
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    August 27, 2019 5:16pm
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      What New Zealand’s ACT Party said back late June … well worth a read for its sound and clear thinking …
      
      … Congratulations Mr Seymour ! …
      
      Housing needs a single Minister, end to KiwiBuild … ACT | Scoop News ( 27 June 2019 )
      
      http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1906/S00253/housing-needs-a-single-minister-end-to-kiwibuild.htm
      
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      August 27, 2019 5:46pm
  - Tall Man
    
    He’s definitely a numbnut.
    
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    August 27, 2019 6:30pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Why would you buy Tesla’s solar panels?
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-08-24/stormy-weather-solarville-amazon-joins-walmart-saying-its-tesla-solar-panels
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August 27, 2019 12:02pm
herb1

Finally confirmation of Arderns rumoured popularity plummeting in Labour’s internal polling.
Mysteriously an article appears in Stuff with Ardern explaining , its only to be expected her popularity will drop ,as she is making the hard political decisions on policy.
Yeah right . The hardest decisions she makes are when to tilt and when to bobble
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August 27, 2019 12:10pm
- chaos
  
  She sure is making the hard decisions. Now do I spend money on mental health, increasing elective operations to what they used to be under national, increase the amount of medicines subsidised, or do I give more money to daddies country
  
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  August 27, 2019 12:42pm
- Poppa
  
  It didn’t seem that hard for her to single-handedly ban oil & gas exploration
  
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  August 27, 2019 1:09pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Imagine the “cost” she had to pay to “what’s in it for wynston”.
    
    He’s old and on his way out so he doesn’t care for long term baubles…. he wants it now.
    
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    August 27, 2019 6:27pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  According to Matthew Hooten yesterday, Ardern’s net favourables in the UMR poll have slumped by 15 points in the last few weeks, to a level where they were before she became Labour leader.
  
  The smoke and mirrors don’t work any more, and when the likes of Kerre McIvor is dissing you, it’s time to panic. Roll on 2pm!
  
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  August 27, 2019 1:17pm
  - Tall Man
    
    As the boss said, people are sick of her shit and now realise she is a non performer. Smart woman my wife.
    
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    August 27, 2019 6:29pm
sooty

Clare Curran is custard!
Leaving for another trough!
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August 27, 2019 12:57pm
- mandk
  
  It’s difficult to imagine what she might be suited for.
  
  Associate Prof in Something-or-other Studies at the University of Waikato?
  
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  August 27, 2019 1:10pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  Three terms in Opposition, and then when she became a Minister she didn’t even last a year before Jacinda Ardern allowed her the dignity of a resignation instead of sacking her.
  
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  August 27, 2019 1:15pm
  - Swifty
    
    A nine year apprenticeship, ON OUR DIME, and then monumental failure at the first hurdle.
    
    This is what passes for ‘talent’ in Labour?
    
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    August 27, 2019 1:45pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  No loss to NZ politics. Hopefully Labour selects someone with some actual talent (and perhaps private sector experience) to develop for the future rather than another tired troughing ex union/public sector hack.
  
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  August 27, 2019 1:26pm
  - Swifty
    
    What a monumental failure she turned out to be – after years of lecturing and hectoring us about how bad National was.
    
    What a joke she is.
    
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    August 27, 2019 1:31pm
  - stigie
    
    Who the hell in Labour has private sector experience may i ask..?
    
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    August 27, 2019 1:43pm
    - Swifty
      
      Their private sector experience is as thin as a yard of pump-water stigie!
      
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      August 27, 2019 1:48pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      No-one. Which is why they so desperately need to change their selection processes – as they have been found utterly wanting in the last two years. NZ needs two strong viable parties that are each competent in government, and that starts with recruiting talented individuals to become MP’s.
      
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      August 27, 2019 2:22pm
    - Tall Man
      
      The Italians managed it…
      
      https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2254935/Nicole-Minetti-Italian-showgirl-turned-MP-26-takes-sunbeds-Miami-beach-holiday.html
      
      https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/porn-star-turned-italian-politician-682757
      
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      August 27, 2019 6:19pm
- kevn
  
  @sooty… curran knows where the bodies are buried, she will get a plum job within the current system.
  Guarantee it.
  
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  August 27, 2019 1:54pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Not sure about the “bodies” as these numbnuts only shoot themselves but she will get a trough job.
    
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    August 27, 2019 6:21pm
Happychappy

Finally Clare Curran has decided she will resign from Parliament next year after saying this Government would be the most transparent Government ever and after getting caught several times bending the truth Clare has decided it’s time to go.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/115312691/clare-curran-resigning-from-parliament-at-next-election
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August 27, 2019 1:05pm
Maggie Pie

Mr. 12: “Mum, were you really hoping for a son or a daughter?”

Me: “I was just hoping for a back rub”
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August 27, 2019 1:17pm
- Tall Man
  
  That’ll learn ya to turn your back 😉
  
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  August 27, 2019 6:07pm
Fletch

Article in Forbes –

‘Why Everything They Say About The Amazon, Including That It’s The “Lungs Of The World,” Is Wrong’

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelshellenberger/2019/08/26/why-everything-they-say-about-the-amazon-including-that-its-the-lungs-of-the-world-is-wrong/
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August 27, 2019 1:20pm
Swifty

Fair warning NZers – the Left are coming for your money to pay for their party structures, campaigning and to keep themselves in power and, I fear, they will be getting it before too long whether you like it or not.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12262261

This is all a concerted campaign to create a ‘virtuous’ case for the compulsory theft of your money to pay themselves and their mates with.

It’s an absolute disgrace. It is corrupt.
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August 27, 2019 1:26pm
- Swifty
  
  I should add that Clark asks where is the media backing of public funding of political parties?
  
  With the media companies increasingly looking to politicians for public money to keep themselves afloat – you can be sure what side of this argument they will come down on.
  
  Politicians and the media working in concert to rob our treasury and for their direct benefit.
  
  It’s a monumental scandal.
  
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  August 27, 2019 1:29pm
- chaos
  
  Wasn’t illegal, although she says it goes against the spirit of the law. There is no such thing Ardern
  
  Either it is illegal or legal. Simple. She said it appears legal. End of story. Now back to what you are trying to distract people from. The sex allegations in your office, the labour youth camp trial, your failure with the Maori the past few weeks, your boyfriend sending out a tweet about govt legislation that was a lie, and so so much more that is telling you why your internal polling is bad, really bad. Your failure on mental health and poverty and kiwibuild. Increasing the points for operations.
  
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  August 27, 2019 1:32pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Has Jacinda Ardern forgotten last years’ headlines:
  
  China’s communists fund Jacinda Ardern’s Labour Party: What the United States Congress was told
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12058818
  
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  August 27, 2019 3:02pm
  - Happychappy
    
    Maggie I see Helen Clark is poking her beek into the Donation saga to, but didn’t Rick Barker go on River cruises and also arrange Chinese donations when Helen Clark was Prime Minister.
    
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    August 27, 2019 3:39pm
Right of way is Way of Right

I see NZ First is now screaming from the rooftops about the National discussion document and the plan to raise the eligibility for NZ Super to 67 from 65.

National have raised this publicly, and it is open for debate and discussion. Well before the election, I might add.

I’d be more interested in Winston’s point of view if he was to argue for the same level of disclosure from the Coalition, and released the missing pages of the Coalition agreement. Also, JAG’s ministerial letter while he’s at it!

National is engaging with the electorate democratically, not hiding behind an obfuscation of half truths and denial like the government that Winston is the deputy leader of!
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August 27, 2019 1:31pm
- Swifty
  
  Well said.
  
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  August 27, 2019 1:43pm
  - sooty
    
    But, but, what about Whinestones voters?
    
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    August 27, 2019 3:47pm
    - Tall Man
      
      I think many have finally realised “what’s in it for wynston” is actually why “what’s in it for wynston” does anything.
      
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      August 27, 2019 5:55pm
softail 1450

A long drawn pale skinny face ,black lipstick,black nailpolish, pitch black hair ,completely black clothing ,any guesses of who it is I describe?
And its not one of the four horsemen of the apocalypse,,,WTF is going on with this creature?
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August 27, 2019 2:22pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EB-OHbaU4AEM7SV?format=jpg&name=medium
  
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  August 27, 2019 3:21pm
- Tall Man
  
  Just proves ardern has taste… It’s just in her arse.
  
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  August 27, 2019 5:53pm
Swifty

Thieving scumbag.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/115308806/auckland-food-bank-theft-man-pleads-guilty-to-stealing-scorched-almonds

Does this man not recognise Christmas by chance?
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August 27, 2019 2:29pm
- Inandout
  
  Swifty, all he needs to do is go gender bender and he can happily go into women’s toilets.
  
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  August 27, 2019 3:04pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Diversity in all it’s glory…
    
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    August 27, 2019 5:51pm
Swifty

I urge the authorities to watch this chap closely from now on:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/115310727/police-impersonator-shannen-cox-faces-up-to-12-months-in-prison

I’ve seen this type before – in later years they end up stalking ladies online and in malls, have a preoccupation with feminine undergarments and will never, never, admit when they’re wrong.
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August 27, 2019 2:34pm
- sooty
  
  What’s his job, security gaurd?
  
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  August 27, 2019 3:45pm
- mandk
  
  I wonder which commenter came to mind when you read this?
  
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  August 27, 2019 4:24pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Nah, ours is a girl stalker with mummy issues.
    
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    August 27, 2019 5:50pm
- nasska
  
  …..”they end up stalking ladies online and in malls, have a preoccupation with feminine undergarments and will never, never, admit when they’re wrong”……
  
  Any ideas who our friend may have been thinking about? 🙂
  
  Answers on the back of an envelope posted to the Church of Saint Alban the Martyr, Auckland.
  
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  August 27, 2019 6:35pm
rightoverlabour

worth reading since Stuff is still suffering from a maturity point of view…

https://www.aljazeera.com/ajimpact/hopes-breakthroughs-iran-china-trade-war-g7-ends-190826174123587.html
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August 27, 2019 2:47pm
- Inandout
  
  rol, Trump also did a trade deal with Japan over corn supplies. I use Fox news for obvious reasons.
  
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  August 27, 2019 3:45pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Um.. Fox News and … stuff not news.
    
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    August 27, 2019 5:48pm
Prince

As herb1 says above, Ardern’s explanation that her falling popularity is due to ‘making the hard decisions’ is laughable.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/115307809/jacinda-ardern-says-drop-in-popularity-natural-for-government-taking-on-big-issues

The one issue that would have defined her Govt, given her another term, and established her as a genuine leader was CGT.
She claims ‘we have been unable to build a mandate for CGT’.
She, and her Finance minister, ran away without ever making a case for it, leaving a deeply unpopular ex poli to do the explaining at $5K a day.

Apparently the hard decisions leading to her fall include ‘ploughing money into mental health’. Yes that was a really unpopular call – actually the only downside is it was too late, too little, and too ill- defined. Again, the lack of ‘transformation’ is the problem, not the unpopular decisions. Just spending more in itself is not something to be proud of. The appalling suicide stats have overrun any boost she got from that.

Like all of Ardern’s interviews, this is as shallow as it gets. Her excuses simply are not plausible.

The issue for me is that National will quite possibly win in 2020, not through any revitalisation or renewal, but simply because Labour are such a useless rabble, lacking any sort of leadership or courage.
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August 27, 2019 3:32pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  CGT: tax on the inflation of your home (if you run a business from home, as many do), and tax on the inflation of your rental property.
  
  ‘Capital Gain’ is no such thing: it is simply inflation. The house is the same house 10 years later, just a bit shoddier. You have really gained *nothing*!
  
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  August 27, 2019 4:02pm
  - Swifty
    
    You’ve got it.
    
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    August 27, 2019 4:31pm
- Tall Man
  
  As usual, I’m on the money. Ardern is a liar and one that lacks the courage to stand up and take the shit on the chin.
  
  Hard decisions my arse…
  
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  August 27, 2019 5:45pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  But that’s just appalling news! Surely someone from the MSM will bake her and Clarke some scones…
  
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  August 27, 2019 8:23pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Is the Government organising a Loan for Tainui so it can buy the land at Ihumatao?

Jacinda won’t give a clear answer…
Oral Q1.

Is Trevor covering for Jacinda?
Oral Q2.

https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/combined/HansDeb_20190827_20190827_12
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August 27, 2019 4:48pm
- Tricati
  
  Yes & yes
  
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  August 27, 2019 5:20pm
- herb1
  
  What an odious unpleasant imposter Woman , holding the position of PM at present.
  she seems to think snide , nasty comments are a cover for her lack of intelligence and woeful lack of knowledge on what her Government is doing.
  
  With the obvious plummeting in her personal popularity you have to wonder wether she even cares any more
  
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  August 27, 2019 6:09pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Story in ODT
  https://www.odt.co.nz/news/politics/pm-coy-talk-loan-ihumatao-purchase
  
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  August 27, 2019 7:46pm
  - sooty
    
    Of course this government is going to give them favorable terms.
    What were you thinking?
    It’s not going to cost Tainui a brass rasoo!
    Pure profit!
    The only question is how much do Fletchers get?
    
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    August 27, 2019 8:36pm
Jack5

The 21 months’ jail sentence on Philip Neville Arps for distributing unmodified and modified copies of the mosques massacre video has been upheld.

Justice Dunningham ruled that the decisions of Christchurch District Court Judge Stephen O’Driscoll on the jail term, and his refusal to grant home detention, were all justified. The appeal was dismissed.

Judge O’Driscoll also presided in the unrelated case against a Muslim youth which is linked to below (second link):

https://courtnews.co.nz/2019/08/27/mosque-video-jail-term-stands/

Earlier, unrelated case involving planned terror attack:

https://courtnews.co.nz/2018/04/17/golf-rehab-terrorist-attack/
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August 27, 2019 5:09pm
- Tall Man
  
  Sounds fair, obviously Arps is already able to play golf adequately.
  
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  August 27, 2019 5:39pm
- secondcumming
  
  So what was ARPS handicap then?
  
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  August 27, 2019 6:04pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Unlikable…………
    
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    August 27, 2019 8:41pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Meng Foon’s new philosophy:

Educate, Expose, Eradicate

https://thespinoff.co.nz/local-elections/26-08-2019/meng-foon-on-18-years-as-gisborne-mayor-and-a-new-life-in-race-relations/
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August 27, 2019 6:48pm
- nasska
  
  From Maggy’s link:
  
  …..”“If someone asks me a question I just tell the truth, then there’s no more questions after that. If you’re vague they’ll ask you some more questions until they find out the truth. I don’t want to tell a story, and I have to be mindful of the fact that some people know the answer already. If you say bullshit then they’ll catch you.””……
  
  Good advice which served Meng Foon well. I wonder what would happen if our parliamentary leaders gave it a try.
  
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  August 27, 2019 7:18pm
- Jack5
  
  Meng Foon has our freedom of speech in his sights. It sounds as though, in his Utopia, it would be jail if you criticised or satirised Islam:
  
  “Foon wants to look into the specifics around hate speech, asking whether New Zealand’s hate speech laws are sufficient, and why they don’t count speech against religious groups in the definition.
  
  Does Meng also plan a drastic “final solution” – eradication – for “racists”?
  
  ” … if people are racist, they should be exposed. By exposing them, hopefully they will correct their ways and continue to learn and hopefully that will end in the last E, which is eradication.”
  
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  August 27, 2019 7:57pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Well thank Goodness Meng hadn’t been watching Dr Who…He might have remembered another word beginning with E
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxD-5z_xHBU
    
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    August 27, 2019 9:34pm
- Tall Man
  
  We live in hope Maggy but I may be more pragmatic than you.
  
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  August 27, 2019 8:42pm
surfing

Dpf believed that foreign house buyers were only 3% of the property market….so why are real estate agents complaining about the lack of foreign buyers?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12261811
“Luxury Waiheke home built by Marc Ellis reduced by up to $5m. Agent blames foreign-buyer ban”

Something is not adding up between DPF’s claims and reality.
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August 27, 2019 7:04pm
- nasska
  
  They may have been only 3% of the market but my guess is that they would have been a far greater percentage of the buyers in the real top end niche.
  
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  August 27, 2019 9:52pm
Hugh Pavletich

NEW ZEALAND: The Fonterra Fiasco … continues …

A review of things you need to know before you go home on Tuesday; some key rate cuts, house inflation reviving, bank reputations improve, ugly Fonterra drop, swaps firm, NZD stable, & more … Interest Co NZ

https://www.interest.co.nz/news/101391/review-things-you-need-know-you-go-home-tuesday-some-key-rate-cuts-house-inflation

… extract …

$1 BLN LOST IN ONE MONTH

A feature today in local markets is the continuing sharp fall of the Fonterra share price, now at a seriously worrying $3.15 and a drop of another -8c today alone. Investors are fleeing fast. The company’s capitalisation is now only $5.077 bln and that is $1 bln less in just one month. This is a company that had a capitalisation of $10.7 bln in January 2018. It has halved since then.
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Treasury to be asked about solidness of Fonterra’s financial reporting … Andrea Fox … New Zealand Herald (behind paywall)

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12262311

Google NZ Search ‘Fonterra’

https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=jOJkXfv2GcL59QPFia2QAw&q=fonterra&oq=fonterra&gs_l=psy-ab.12..
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August 27, 2019 8:05pm
MCos

I read this article today about the road toll in Thailand where it is estimated 25,000 die every year.
Those of us who have lived here all have our theories as to why it should be so high.
Populationwise it’s the equivalent of 1700 dying on NZ roads.
https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1120053-lethal-mix-of-rain-slippery-roads-and-speed-65-dead-on-thai-roads-on-monday/?utm_source=newsletter-20190827-1309&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=news
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August 27, 2019 8:56pm
Suze Wainwright

All I can say is that if someone at Chris Hipkin’s apparent level of seniority in the coalition Govt has to drop everything and tweet a message in support of the First Lady’s boyfriend’s assertions, then some topics must be hitting particularly raw nerves in the Labour-led family…
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August 27, 2019 9:26pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Yep,
  You’d imagine Hipkins had enough to be worrying about with his Polytech reforms and trying to find a few more ECE teachers, and sorting out the Special Ed mess.
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/397573/new-special-ed-roles-flawed-and-unworkable-educational-institute-says
  
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