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Greg Ettridge

I find this post disturbing, you decide to pray in front of a busy aircraft toilet, then punch air crew when asked to move.
https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/ctv78m/dickhead_decides_to_pray_infront_of_airplane/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x
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August 23, 2019 8:02am
- Scott
  
  He looked like he was in the Islam prayer position?
  I think you will find this is all part of the “cultural enrichment” that we are all meant to be enjoying.
  Like the fellow in Australia the other day who went round shouting Allah Akbhur and stabbing people.
  
  It’s all mental illness you see. Nothing about Islam at all? Nothing to see here. Just move on.
  
  But here’s a clue. Apparently those who become very religious in Islam become more violent. Other religions not so much.
  
  Something in the nature of Islam appears to foster violence? That appears to be in the practice of jihad which involves fighting the infidel to bring about a world wide caliphate where the crosses of Christianity are broken and everyone submits to Allah and sharia law.
  
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  August 23, 2019 8:10am
  - Scott
    
    Also if you doubt the Islamic goal to break all the crosses then this article will be instructive. Apparently all round the world, from Germany to Tunisia, Christian graves are being vandalised. This is not particularly being reported on but can I say its again part of the “cultural enrichment” we can expect from Muslim immigration, if it is allowed to continue.
    
    https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/14728/desecration-christian-graves
    
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    August 23, 2019 8:35am
  - stephieboy
    
    “But here’s a clue. Apparently those who become very religious in Islam become more violent. Other religions not so much.”
    
    ???
    
    The forgotten massacre
    Thirty years after 1,700 Palestinians were killed at the Sabra and Chatila refugee camps, Robert Fisk revisits the killing fields
    
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/the-forgotten-massacre-8139930.html
    
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    August 23, 2019 10:27am
    - Twinkletoes
      
      No mention of Damour, the Xian coastal township which had been bombed to smithereens by the muslims several days before the refugee camps were entered. Noone in Damour was left alive.
      
      This was revenge for Damour exacted on the PLO by the Phalange. I skimmed the article but Fisk didn’t seem to mention that fact. Must have missed it.
      
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      August 23, 2019 11:05am
    - igm
      
      Muslims are killing non-muslims with monotonous regularity daily, especially in ME, but MSM do not report it.
      They are problems everywhere they go and we don’t want/need them here.
      
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      August 23, 2019 11:15am
      - stephieboy
        
        “Muslims are killing non-muslims with monotonous regularity daily…?
        
        Examples?
        
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        August 23, 2019 1:00pm
      - DigNap15
        
        Yes not so much lately.
        Maybe the muslims have wisened up.
        Go quite for a few decade, infiltrate and invade and out breed the west!
        I’m hoping for a few really big attacks in Europe killins hundreds of westerners to wake them up to the coming anger.
        
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        August 23, 2019 2:56pm
      - sooty
        
        You would be an idiot!
        Read the news daily, idiot!
        Even that newspaper covers it. Idiot!
        
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        August 23, 2019 4:12pm
- gravedodger
  
  How to work out where Mecca is, surely not in the toilet?, selfish git could have contacted his sky dweller from his seat.
  
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  August 23, 2019 8:14am
  - Rich Prick
    
    Praying towards the crapper seems about right. They sure do enjoy making pests of themselves.
    
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    August 23, 2019 9:01am
    - igm
      
      When are we going to see a unbiased poll on whether followers of Islam are welcome here or not?
      Surely, as taxpayers keeping these misfits, we must have a say in whether they come here or not.
      We are being misled by media, an unelected unwanted virtue seeking PM, and her followers, that they are welcome . . . I say they are not!
      
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      August 23, 2019 9:39am
- All_on_Red
  
  Religion of Peace eh
  This one is funnier
  https://mobile.twitter.com/dvatw/status/1164268716617535494
  
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  August 23, 2019 8:14am
  - Straight arrow
    
    To be fair, right about Bieber (although he is actually Canadian)
    Woman is now running as a Democrat for Congress?
    
    Mod – I misplaced this comment earlier. Could you delete other one. Cheers
    
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    August 23, 2019 8:33am
  - Inandout
    
    Trump would love to jettison these types, no use to man nor beast.
    
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    August 23, 2019 8:49am
  - stephieboy
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    All on Red, there you go spewing and venting your usual Muslim bashing bile!
    
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    August 23, 2019 10:33am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Stop telling lies.
      Just because I show you up as being an idiot all the time.
      
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      August 23, 2019 10:50am
    - Rich Prick
      
      Urrr, watch the video, it was your letterbox friend spewing the bile.
      
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      August 23, 2019 10:53am
      - stephieboy
        
        Rich Prick, ” Religion of Peace eh”
        
        But you will agree that not all the world’s 1.7 billion Muslims do the same as that might suggest?
        
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        August 23, 2019 11:37am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Well that guy on the plane certainly wasn’t peaceful.
        He gets up from praying and punches the Flight Attendant in the face.
        Will you disavow that behaviour?
        
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        August 23, 2019 11:56am
      - Rich Prick
        
        I have no idea what goes on in the minds of 1b third worlders.
        
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        August 23, 2019 12:03pm
    - The King
      
      Stephie crying about muslim bashing in a thread about a muslim bashing people haha.
      
      Its always the same steps
      
      1) Muslim commits crime
      2) Muslims are the real victims because ‘islamaphobia’
      
      People like Stephie have no problem chastising all White people for Tarrant yet the precious muslims get kid gloves.
      
      Now why would this be?
      
      Because he hates White people.
      
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      August 23, 2019 11:46am
      - igm
        
        If we had no muslims we would have not had Tarrant . . . end of story.
        
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        August 23, 2019 1:20pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  I understand a pious man’s need to pray; however, he should consider how his actions will impact on non-belivers around him, if he wants to life harmoniuously as a member of a diverse community.
  On the other hand, maybe he was being deliberately provocative.
  
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  August 23, 2019 8:25am
  - sooty
    
    He did it wrong.
    The head is meant to be in the toilet!
    
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    August 23, 2019 8:37am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      I dare ask: perhaps he was feeling home-sick?
      
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      August 23, 2019 9:52am
  - Wangas Feral
    
    He is a Muslim – he does not need to consider how his actions affect unbelievers.
    
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    August 23, 2019 9:19am
  - Inandout
    
    O, I always considered piety to be a sort of Christian attribute, not Islamic. The latter is more brain embedded.
    
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    August 23, 2019 9:59am
  - Komata
    
    Odakyu-sen@0825
    
    If you work on the premise that EVERY non-muslim is regarded as an inferior being by the followers of that faith, his actions make perfect sense.
    
    He can do exactly as HE pleases because he is a superior being (at least according to the koran).
    
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    August 23, 2019 3:10pm
  - cmm
    
    “however, he should consider how his actions will impact on non-belivers around him”
    
    Bullshit. The Prophet said death to non-believers. Why should the comfort and needs of non-believers be considered?
    
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    August 23, 2019 4:12pm
- Biscuit
  
  Praying in front of airport toilets CAN produce results – remember All Black halfback Aaron Smith at Christchurch Airport in 2017?
  
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  August 23, 2019 8:51am
  - Rich Prick
    
    That was a slightly different form of worship.
    
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    August 23, 2019 9:20am
- Mummy
  
  On Emirates and Qatar they specifically ask you to stay in your seat to pray. Together with appropriate picture of man in white sack and tea towel demonstrating how to do it.
  
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  August 23, 2019 2:09pm
  - Greg Ettridge
    
    Muslims actually don’t have to strictly observe pray when travelling, they can combine the prayers, the same rule applies to Muslims who are imprisoned. They use the same app.
    There is an app of course, Halaltrip.
    https://www.halaltrip.com/prayertimes/inflight/
    I remember flying Royal Brunei years ago, the Captain gave us all a prayer over the intercom, asked his almighty to keep us all safe.
    Maybe they could be offered business or first class if they want mat space. a new optional extra.
    
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    August 23, 2019 4:59pm
kiwitoffee

I’m a teacher and have been for many years. Generally, I enjoy my work, though, like most occupations, there are occasional days when I wonder why I am still teaching.

Yesterday was one such day.

Barely five minutes into the first class of the day, I asked an 11-year old boy ‘How are you this morning?’ He replied, ‘F*** off’. On leaving the classroom at my request and according to the school procedures, he added ‘F*** you’.

Later in the day, when I asked another class why do we speak English in New Zealand when England is on the other side of the world, I was told by one (Pakeha) girl, ‘because the English killed all the Maori when they came here’. When I expressed some doubt about that suggestion, she said, ‘OK, not all of them – most of them’. She added that she’d been told this in a Social Studies lesson.

And in the last class of the day, another girl, about 13 years old, said that she disagreed that it was right for the Spanish language to be gendered. That Spanish nouns and adjectives are masculine or feminine, she didn’t think was right (I assume in a moral sense). Her reasoning was that a person’s gender ‘is a matter of opinion’. I did not ask her where she got that idea from.

A remarkable day at what used to be called ‘the chalkface’.

What’s gone wrong? Have I missed something?
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August 23, 2019 8:02am
- Michael
  
  and one day they will vote!
  
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  August 23, 2019 8:37am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    and in 30 years they will have figured out the world for themselves, questioned most of what they were taught, and become just as cynical and angry about such efforts to indoctrinate as you or I.
    
    I remember having multiculturalism pushed down my throat at school by clearly (even to a teenager) unthinkingly credulous teachers. Didn’t stop me or most of my cohort becoming non-believers in it’s unmitigated goodness.
    
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    August 23, 2019 10:58am
- Brian Marshall
  
  Your fellow “teachers” got busy with indoctrination. Wait till you ask them about climate change, or other stuff like my teenage daughter is learning about slavery at school at present. Apparently white people are the most racist. She didn’t want to hear me when I explained that the word slave is derived from the word Slav, and that black and Muslim Africans were selling the slaves to the white people, or that it was white people that stopped world wide slavery including here in New Zealand in 1840.
  I had some great teachers in my time at school, who helped me actually think for myself. I hope you can succeed in that with some of your pupils.
  Good luck kiwitoffee. You’ll need it.
  
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  August 23, 2019 8:38am
  - Random T Person
    
    Brian, this is why education is primarily a parent’s responsibility. Teachers are there to help.
    
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    August 23, 2019 9:23am
  - Michael Rodent
    
    There was also slavery practised by Maori on their own kind :
    
    http://www.theprow.org.nz/maori/slavery-in-colonial-times/#.XV8MqS17EW8
    
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    August 23, 2019 9:48am
- sooty
  
  Are you an old white male?
  If you are it’s all your fault!
  
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  August 23, 2019 8:39am
- sooty
  
  Are you an old white male?
  If you are, it’s all your fault!
  
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  August 23, 2019 8:40am
- srylands
  
  You could have told the first student that if the Spanish had colonised New Zealand there would be no Maori because they certainly would have all been killed. If it had been the French who had arrived (and that was a close call) it would have been “Congratulations you are now French” and then killed any Maori who argued the point. So compared to the alternatives, Maori were fortunate.
  
  I don’t know the cause of the growing gender madness. Maybe it will pass.
  
  With your “fuck you’ kid, what happens next? Are there any real consequences?
  
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  August 23, 2019 9:08am
  - kiwitoffee
    
    If past experience is anything to go by (with the same child, and others), there will be a ‘restorative conversation’. Until the next, almost identical incident.
    
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    August 23, 2019 9:31am
  - Komata
    
    srylands@0908
    
    Apropos the F word in schools.
    
    About 20 years ago a (now retired) teacher at a local school told me of an instance where new entrant (5 year old) child of the unnamed ethnicity arrived at a school where she was teaching, convinced that ‘F-you’ was a COLOUR!
    
    Evidently this was reflective of the child’s domestic environment and was not unusual; just one of the ‘noticeable’ examples…
    
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    August 23, 2019 10:19am
  - chaos
    
    I got away with swearing in high school. If a teacher was coming fuck quickly had “apapa” added to the end and the conversation shifted to skiing. Worked 99% of the time. The 1% was when my dean caught me and sent me to pick up rubbish in the library. Ah the benefits of being a teachers favourite.
    
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    August 23, 2019 10:27am
    - srylands
      
      When I was in primary school 50 odd years ago telling a teacher to fuck off would have brought all kinds of hell down on the kid from both school and parents
      
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      August 23, 2019 10:51am
      - chaos
        
        When I was in high school in the early 90s our horticulture teacher would tell all his students when you plant a seed cover it up with the dirt and shout fuck.
        
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        August 23, 2019 12:04pm
- slightlyrighty
  
  Gendered Language reminds me of the story about the Englishman in a French Restaurant who calls over the waiter to complain.
  
  He points to a fly in his soup and says. “Look! La Mouche!”
  
  The waiter says “Non! Le Mouche!”
  
  The Englishman says, “Bloody hell, you’ve got great eyesight!”
  
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  August 23, 2019 9:10am
  - Jack5
    
    Old English had masculine, feminine and neuter genders of nouns.
    
    Thank goodness there was no national grammatical institute that would have retained the genders.
    
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    August 23, 2019 9:25am
  - oob
    
    Hahahahaha!
    
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    August 23, 2019 10:15am
- Rich Prick
  
  My ten year old nephew can barely string a written sentence together, but he knows all about climate change and is quite conversant on gender issues. Such are our little indoctrination centres.
  
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  August 23, 2019 9:24am
- Paginus
  
  Because people of the right only complain, they never go on the offensive. What has anyone actually done to stop all this progressivism in schools?
  Everyone to scared to be called racist, homophobic, etc
  
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  August 23, 2019 9:56am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  You can tell your students that if the Japanese had settled New Zealand in the Edo Period (highly unlikely, since Japan was sealed off from the outside world at that time), then the fate of the Maori would have been the same as the people of the Ryukyu Islands (Okinawa) or of northern Japan (the Ainu).
  
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  August 23, 2019 10:00am
  - SGA
    
    if the Japanese had settled New Zealand in the Edo Period …, then the fate of the Maori would have been the same as the people of the Ryukyu Islands (Okinawa)
    
    The Ryukyu Kingdom remained intact, but a vassal state, throughout the Edo period, I think. The efforts to irradicate their language and culture came later.
    
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    August 23, 2019 11:54am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      irradicate = to take root; to anchor firmly.
      
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      August 23, 2019 1:33pm
      - SGA
        
        opps, eradicate 🙂
        
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        August 23, 2019 2:30pm
- The King
  
  Congratz on failing as a teacher.
  
  If you ever called my White daughter “Pakeha” you’d get more than a “f*** you.
  
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  August 23, 2019 11:51am
  - Garbageman
    
    Sure you would tough guy
    
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    August 23, 2019 1:01pm
AgainstTheFlow

NZ Public Health academics continue their clown act, running secret campaigns to force out and smear any researcher who doesn’t drink the Kool-aid…

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/in-depth/397224/gloves-off-smoking-researcher-shunned-over-philip-morris-funding
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August 23, 2019 8:07am
- Sofia
  
  While Dr Marewa Glover does face controversy over tobacco company funding, I would still question her original comment …
  Tobacco control researcher Dr Marewa Glover says Māori mothers are at the greatest risk of being fined under the legislation due to their disproportionately high smoking rate.
  
  If the Maori are 16% New Zealand’s total population, and their worst smoking rate is 37% those Maori smokers would be 6% of total population, while the highest non-Maori smoking rate (13%) of the remaining 84% population (non-Maori) gives close to 11% of total population, against Maori’s 6%. No?
  
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  August 23, 2019 8:44am
  - septic skeptic
    
    Or more simply, each person that smokes in a car is at equal risk of being caught and fined. Unless she is alleging a proposed plan by police to use racial profiling.
    
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    August 23, 2019 10:10am
- plc
  
  She was the nutter on Breakfast the other morning saying banning smoking in cars discriminated against Maori and why weren’t “white” parents fined for not applying sunscreen.
  
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  August 23, 2019 8:46am
- chaos
  
  people will remember her from the other day
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/08/mps-aghast-over-tobacco-researcher-marewa-glover-s-claim-bodies-heal-from-secondhand-smoke.html
  
  I see she also supports pregnant woman vaping
  
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  August 23, 2019 8:58am
  - AgainstTheFlow
    
    Vaping is better than smoking if you can’t stop smoking.
    
    It’s not a perfect world.
    
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    August 23, 2019 10:11am
    - chaos
      
      Might not be a safe world but that doesn’t mean we should be putting babies lives at risk because some fraud claims it is safe to vape while pregnant. When it is not
      
      https://www.webmd.com/baby/news/20190429/more-pregnant-women-vaping-study-says
      
      https://medicalxpress.com/news/2017-11-vaping-pregnant-craniofacial-birth-defects.html
      
      https://safeharborhouse.com/vaping-while-pregnant/
      
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      August 23, 2019 10:42am
    - chaos
      
      https://cosmosmagazine.com/biology/more-bad-news-about-vaping
      
      A study of young people has found just 16 puffs of a nicotine-free e-cigarette can cause a major drop in blood flow to the main artery of the leg, something the authors say mimics the effects of aging.
      
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      August 23, 2019 3:31pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Oh rubbish. She’s only been criticised when she started talking well out of her field of expertise.
  
  Marewa Glover has no expertise in the healing of bodies. She has no medical training.
  She is spouting nonsense about the minimal effects of second-hand smoke.
  
  Once she was an expert on sexual violence and feminism…
  https://www.komako.org.nz/person/225
  but there must be more money in the smoking game.
  
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  August 23, 2019 9:08am
  - stephieboy
    
    And apparently paid $1.5 million for her “research” by Philip Morris,
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/115190231/mori-smoking-researcher-marewa-glover-shunned-over-philip-morris-funding
    
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    August 23, 2019 9:43am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Maggy, not sure that is correct. There’s in my experience pretty limited GOOD research showing that adults suffer significant harm from second hand smoke. The evidence for young children is better.
    
    SHS is an irritant, but beyond that except at unreasonably high concentrations I don’t think it is a statistically significant health risk for adults.
    
    There may be newer research with better results, but most that I have seen have pretty dodgy statistical significance tests, and largely seem to rely on polemic and extrapolation of extreme doses that is experimentally unsound.
    
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    August 23, 2019 9:50am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      The legislation being discussed at the Parliamentary Hearing was about smoking with children under 18 years in a car.
      
      So the relevance of Glover’s comments about bodies healing has to be looked at with respect to babies, young kids with compromised respiratory systems, etc.
      
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      August 23, 2019 11:03am
  - AgainstTheFlow
    
    Clearly you have expertise and knowledge in the area.
    But I’d point out that no medical training is not a barrier to a career in Public Health.
    
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    August 23, 2019 10:14am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Clearly you have expertise and knowledge in the area.
      
      In the medical field, not at all;
      but experience giving Expert Advice at hearings/Courts, = Yes.
      
      When Glover talked of ” bodies healing”, she was in the medical realm… not her field of social\behavioural research.
      
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      August 23, 2019 10:30am
    - Overworked
      
      Unfortunately, you are correct.
      
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      August 23, 2019 3:43pm
plc

So Amanda Gillies on Newshub this morning.

“Pania Newton should be New Zealander of the Year given what she has done for her people”.

Is there anything so skin-crawling revolting than a chardonnay socialist trying to demonstrate how “woke” she is to her luuvvlie friends?

Last week she was complaining she could not afford to buy a house in Auckland on her Autocue readers salary (10+ years). I suspect here definition of Auckland is Remuera, Parnell, Mission Bay and St. Heliers.
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August 23, 2019 8:11am
- niggly
  
  Perhaps her aspirational definition of Auckland is living in the same suburb/street as the PTPM (like some other media luuvies that already do so)?!!
  
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  August 23, 2019 8:49am
- Inandout
  
  pic, that Gillies woman is embedded for socialists, nothing more. Not real socialists mind, Parnell cafe chatterers as you allude to.
  
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  August 23, 2019 8:51am
- Bell-47
  
  I have nothing but concept for Ms Newton. She has achieved nothing more than open a racial divide that people my age remember all too well. It makes me very angry to see this all over again. The one, and only saving grace in all this is that Tainui will buy the land from Fletchers. I hope she is truly proud of removing hope for many Maori families who will have benefited from the housing project.
  
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  August 23, 2019 9:09am
- Jules99
  
  A kiwibuild house on the market in Papakura would be in her price range. Can’t imagine why she hasn’t jumped at the chance.
  
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  August 23, 2019 9:11am
- Wangas Feral
  
  My feral daughter and the boyfriend just brought a house in Auckland. They are 21 and 25 respectively.
  
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  August 23, 2019 9:22am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Another escapee from W(h)anganui… good on her.
    
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    August 23, 2019 11:05am
- RiP NZ
  
  PLC – Garners written piece yesterday was equally so. Calling Pania a hero and confirming his status in my opinion as a terrible broadcaster. Utterly useless at his chosen profession.
  
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  August 23, 2019 9:39am
  - John Warren
    
    I can’t keep up with Garner’s flip-flopping back and forth from left to right to left to right…
    
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    August 23, 2019 11:29am
    - igm
      
      He is playing to the gallery in the hope he will not get another bash while out in public.
      
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      August 23, 2019 4:34pm
- Ed Snack
  
  No, no, no, she’s far more open minded than that ! Herne Bay or Paritai Drive would be quite acceptable, thank you !
  
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  August 23, 2019 9:51am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  In my day, the woke chardonnay housewives set were happy just to play Tracey Chapman’s Fast Car at full bore on their stereo systems… (and occasionally discuss the problems of Third World poverty)
  
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  August 23, 2019 10:10am
- Komata
  
  plc@0811
  
  Can anyone explain exactly what ms Newton has ‘Done for her people’?
  
  It would appear that she has over-ridden a very tribally-advantageous deal between her ‘elders’ and Fletchers, but for no clearly-defined purpose.
  
  As there is always more to such stories, the obvious questions have to be: ‘Why’, and ‘Who is providing the money’?
  
  Does anyone actually KNOW?
  
  Thanks.
  
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  August 23, 2019 10:28am
  - Tall Man
    
    https://youtu.be/UmzsWxPLIOo
    
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    August 23, 2019 11:03am
-D

Has Jacinda Ardern announced yet what an acceptable profit margin is for the fuel industry? Does she plan to establish acceptable margins for other industrial sectors?
As a shareholder it would be helpful to know her intent.
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August 23, 2019 8:14am
- sooty
  
  I think that you should sell down your petrol shares and buy into horse food!
  
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  August 23, 2019 8:42am
- yossarian
  
  Who knows, apparently no one can find her? The hikoi went looking for her yesterday, but she wasn’t in her office and she was a no show at parliament either?
  
  She doesn’t seem to be trying hard to rid herself of the part-time PM tag is she?
  
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  August 23, 2019 8:48am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Minster for hide-and-seek
    
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    August 23, 2019 9:40am
    - pussycat
      
      More like Minister for Holidays
      
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      August 23, 2019 10:45am
- chaos
  
  What ever it is it will be far far far less than the profit the govt makes from the tax grab on fuel
  
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  August 23, 2019 8:59am
- Yvette
  
  • “Our instinct was certainly that New Zealanders were being fleeced at the pump, now the Commerce Commission has confirmed that that is true,” Ardern said.
  
  • Although Commerce Commission chairwoman Anna Rawlings said competition could be better in the market, she would not go as far as saying consumers were being “fleeced”.
  
  “Our instinct”, Jacinda, or your instinct?
  
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  August 23, 2019 9:09am
  - Komata
    
    Re the Petrol price ‘difficulty’
    
    Has no-one heard of the ‘Seven Sisters’?
    
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    August 23, 2019 10:30am
  - david
    
    Hey Yvette
    Never heard of the royal “we” ?
    
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    August 23, 2019 1:24pm
- Rich Prick
  
  Man, Cindy would be horrified at the profit margin on coffee. 500%, how’s that for gouging? Come on Cindy DO SOMETHING!!!!’
  
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  August 23, 2019 9:10am
  - yossarian
    
    #workinggroupsrus
    
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    August 23, 2019 9:51am
  - Bobba Fret
    
    Good thinking. I pay $5 a day for my little slice of luxury coffee on the way to work. I’m being gouged!
    
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    August 23, 2019 10:04am
Paulus

It seems that the media appear to be cogniscent to the Taiuni purchase of Ihumatao from Fletchers, as fixed by Ardern the other day.
When will it be announced ?
1st September, in the North Shore Court I expect.
Other than by the Herald cartoon this morning, and what price will the Taxpayer have to find and from where to pay Tainui back via the backdoor.
The we will see tribalism at its best.
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August 23, 2019 8:18am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  1April would be appropriate.
  
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  August 23, 2019 8:35am
- artemisia
  
  It was earlier reported that the current value of the land plus spend to date is around the $100 million mark. Rumour is that Fletchers will accept about $38 million.
  
  Shareholders won’t be happy at the virtue signalling, but actually Fletchers might be well pleased to be shot of it and think it cheap at the price.
  
  And will think very very carefully before buying land with potential or actual similar issues.
  
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  August 23, 2019 9:21am
  - freethinker
    
    A pragmatic decision for virtually everyone is don’t buy or sell Land to Maori and avoid the cultural complications and eventual stress and cost above what you thought.
    
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    August 23, 2019 12:24pm
  - Herodotus
    
    Given that there will be 480 houses, don’t think that the cost of $100m is correct or $200k per lot before the land has been earth worked and infrastructure still to be provided + council costs. If that was the case then the cost price for the land before construction of houses would be $300+k. At that Fletchers would be losing $$ when the project is completed, then again not the 1st time fletchers would have taking a severe financial hit. IMO Fletchers are managing the situation to max. government corporate welfare and made a killing on any sale.
    
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    August 23, 2019 12:28pm
Straight arrow

To be fair, right about Bieber (although he is actually Canadian)
Woman is now running as a Democrat for Congress?
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August 23, 2019 8:23am
- srylands
  
  https://i.stuff.co.nz/motoring/news/115222259/government-considered-banning-fossil-fuel-vehicles
  
  I don’t think this would have been well received. Which is probably why it did not go ahead. I’m surprised that the Ministry of Transport supported a ban.
  
  I don’t see how you could ban petroleum driven cars in advance of knowing whether electric cars in 2035 will be both affordable and fit for purpose for the diverse needs of people. Right now electric cars fail both those tests. That may change by 2035 or it may not.
  
  This decision is sure to be revisited if there were to be a Labour Green government after 2020.
  
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  August 23, 2019 8:57am
  - Ian Hawthorn
    
    According to Genter we are all going to have electric cars, but she has no plan to build enough electricity generation to charge them with, and she opposes building roads to drive them on. It is all just inconsistent virtue signalling nonsense from this lot.
    
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    August 23, 2019 9:15pm
G152

I see they’re banning whitebaiting because feelz.
I see another government department formed to dispense whitebaiting permits.
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August 23, 2019 8:24am
- chaos
  
  I’ve seen nothing saying a ban on whitebaiting, there are talks of what to do to protect the stock, but no bans.
  
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  August 23, 2019 9:25am
- MCos
  
  So what is it?
  Is white baiting to be banned or will you need a permit?
  
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  August 23, 2019 10:31am
Maggy Wassilieff

Is Mallard feeling the heat?
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/397284/nick-smith-ejected-from-parliament-again-speaker-is-biased

and what is the point of banning a bunch of youngsters from Parliament for 1 Year?
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August 23, 2019 8:32am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  Mallard is banning youngsters for a year?
  Is that because he’s over having the Speaker’s chair being bottle feeding central.
  
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  August 23, 2019 8:37am
- BananaLlama
  
  Because the lefts image is more important.
  It’s why they punish their young activists.
  It’s why they ignore complaints of rape.
  It’s why they play dress up with others religion and culture.
  
  They preach piety but have none.
  
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  August 23, 2019 8:40am
- burt
  
  You can’t ban them for too long, all the young people in parliament are leaving to avoid the protected sexual predator. The place will look like a old peoples home if we don’t keep bringing this guy fresh fluff.
  
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  August 23, 2019 8:52am
- niggly
  
  Surely there will be more to come? I can’t imagine Golriz, Jan and Chloe will take this “insult” (in their minds) without a fight …. so more COL “dysfunction junction” fractures to play out over the next few weeks/months?
  
  (Get your popcorn ready just in case)!
  
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  August 23, 2019 8:53am
- godruelf
  
  I see some of those ejected were some of youth MPs. I hope the one Anne Tolley was accused of was not among them she will would have lots of hurt feelings at the ducks insensitivity
  
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  August 23, 2019 9:01am
- chaos
  
  not allowed to protest against princess so they were banned
  
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  August 23, 2019 9:04am
- Bobba Fret
  
  We all know the speaker is biased and protects the govt. But what can actually be done?
  
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  August 23, 2019 10:08am
- Bobba Fret
  
  Mallard is so biased its not funny. I feel sorry for Nick Smith. Him calling Mallard biased is only confirming what everyone knows and he gets kicked out. I thought Gerry may be close to be kicked out too as he disagreed with the speaker.
  
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  August 23, 2019 1:20pm
Maggie Pie

When DPF posted about ‘The Death of CNN’ on Wednesday, I was shocked to read in the comments that news anchor Don Lemon was facing sexual abuse allegations 🙁

This from a witness –
“Lemon put his hands down Hice’s board shorts, grabbed his genitals and then came out with two fingers and, like, clipped Dustin’s nose up and down asking …”do you like pussy or dick?”

https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1164351651341357057

Surely if this allegation is proven true The Lemon’s career with CNN would be over.
Just saying.

[Mod: it should be noted that the plaintiff in this case has attempted extortion previously]
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August 23, 2019 8:34am
- Ed Snack
  
  Also please note Mod that a witness has claimed that he saw the alleged abuse, so it isn’t an unverified allegation at this point.
  
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  August 23, 2019 9:54am
- burt
  
  Negotiations are under way to secure this guy a job in the leaders office. The sticking point is how much extra he will be paid to run the youth camps.
  
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  August 23, 2019 1:00pm
  - sooty
    
    No mate, he will paylots to be able to run them and sell tickets! Preverts are us, out of the leaders office even.
    
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    August 23, 2019 4:25pm
burt

Another person who wishes they worked in parliament rather than any other workplace.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/115039657/school-emails-show-crisis-management-plans-as-sex-allegations-came-to-light
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August 23, 2019 8:38am
Billy Collins

‘The report said the ban on petrol and diesel car sales should be brought forward to 2035 or sooner, rather than the current goal of 2040 – and suggested even electric cars are not the answer because of the high emissions needed to make them.
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“In the long term, widespread personal vehicle ownership therefore does not appear to be compatible with significant decarbonisation. The government should not aim to achieve emissions reductions simply by replacing existing vehicles with lower-emissions versions,” it said.’

– So even shifting to electric vehicles won’t help emissions enough. There will need to be a massive state driven restriction on personal vehicle use in general.

‘Myles Allen, a professor of geosystem science at the University of Oxford, said: “It’s all too easy to lose the big picture in complicated to-do lists. Stopping climate change is astonishingly simple: we need to stop dumping carbon dioxide into the atmosphere.

“So what the government really needs to do is get the CEOs of about 20 fossil fuel companies into a room and ask them to explain how they plan to make both their activities and the products they sell compliant with net-zero global carbon dioxide emissions by mid-century.

“If any company cannot or will not answer the question, then we need to ask whether they should have a license to operate in the UK or a listing on the London Stock Exchange.”’

– People downvoted me in a previous post when I said that if we trust scientists with making political decisions (which they are not experts in), we would all live under communism. I pointed out that scientists are the ones who back the policies of massive state control.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/aug/22/uk-must-reduce-personal-vehicle-ownership-meet-zero-carbon-target-mps-report
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August 23, 2019 8:41am
Michael

What I don’t understand is why would the NZ Government sign an agreement with an IWI to take over the work of OTamariki in removing Maori kids from abusive Maori homes and then looking after those abused Maori kids?

It appears to me in the press that Maori abuse and kill their kids, far more frequently than other cultures?

Why is the state not considered a safe place for Maori kids but for all other Kiwi kids, it is ok.

What is so special about those Maori kids that they must be looked after by Maori people only?
They are kids right?
No different from European, Chinese, Indian, Pacific Island kids etc etc

What is so special about Maori culture that the kids need to be in it.
After all they are being abused and killed in the Maori culture far more than other cultures in NZ, aren’t they?

Is this now the start of Maori Apartheid here in NZ?
Own culture for kids carers?
Own Justice system?
Own legal system?
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August 23, 2019 8:48am
- artemisia
  
  Follow the money. There will be many hands out to hire, feed and water ‘our people’.
  
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  August 23, 2019 9:26am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Tuhoe aren’t going to take over the work of Oranga Tamariki for its vulnerable children.
  
  They have committed to work with OT to find placements within the Iwi for Children with Tuhoe heritage.
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018709969/tuhoe-sign-agreement-with-oranga-tamariki
  
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  August 23, 2019 9:49am
  - Tall Man
    
    More “gravy” for the train.
    
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    August 23, 2019 10:24am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Is each Tribe to do likewise?
    
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    August 23, 2019 1:41pm
- igm
  
  Yet killing still goes on with nothing improving.
  Seems Fairfax have had the order not to publish this one:
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12261151
  
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  August 23, 2019 4:39pm
All_on_Red

https://babylonbee.com/news/concerning-survey-finds-too-many-people-think-snopes-is-a-real-fact-checking-website
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August 23, 2019 8:49am
- stephieboy
  
  All on Red , so the Birth Certificate is fake after all,
  
  https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/birth-certificate/
  
  Is Comet Ping Pong Pizzeria Home to a Child Abuse Ring Led by Hillary Clinton?
  
  A detailed conspiracy theory known as “Pizzagate” holds that a pedophile ring is operating out of a Clinton-linked pizzeria called Comet Ping Pong.
  
  https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/pizzagate-conspiracy/
  
  True or false!
  
  LOL!
  
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  August 23, 2019 9:20am
  - Batman
    
    It’s not a Clinton-linked pizzeria. It’s a Democratic linked pizzeria.
    
    It’s basically a hipster lefty pizza place where they had held some fundraisers in DC, as I understand it.
    
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    August 23, 2019 10:30am
    - stephieboy
      
      Batman, including the Pedophile dungeons?
      
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      August 23, 2019 10:37am
      - Batman
        
        No, because obviously that’s an insane conspiracy that nobody here should believe.
        
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        August 23, 2019 10:42am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Ha
    Gotcha Stephie
    The idiot bit- just like Pavlovs Dog.
    The backstory here is that Snopes has been fact checking Babylon Bee, as if it were a news source and not the satirical site that it is.
    They’ve done it about 4 times so BB has been really taking the piss out of them.
    Stephie, of course, is too dumb to realise that.
    Snopes has certainly gone downhill since it’s owner started blowing company money on hookers and his porn star girlfriend.
    You’re a sucker Stephie
    LOL
    
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    August 23, 2019 10:56am
- Tall Man
  
  Remember 36% used to support ardern.
  
  The next survey will be interesting and we’ll see how many lies have come home to roost.
  
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  August 23, 2019 10:17am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Will there be a Next survey?
    
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    August 23, 2019 10:45am
    - Tall Man
      
      Can’t see these buggers doing anything the made ardern pull a hurty face……
      
      https://www.magshop.co.nz/Next
      
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      August 23, 2019 2:31pm
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        That cover looks more healthy than our one!
        
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        August 23, 2019 4:28pm
Happychappy

Another reason to presume our media have lost the plot with a story on Winston’s spite and wanted revenge over Paula Bennett. Why this idiots utu is regarded better than the twelve complainant’s sexual assaults from someone working out of the Prime Minister’s office has precedence over a serious crime is beyond belief and shows how politically corrupt our media is.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/08/winston-peters-slams-hospital-flowers-from-paula-bennett-as-seriously-bad-taste.amp.html
I hope the germ Peter’s chokes on his own spite.
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August 23, 2019 8:49am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  So he gave the flowers (that he thought were awful) to an old lady – that’s classy.
  Wouldn’t it be more politically symbolic if they’d filmed him throwing them in the bin?
  
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  August 23, 2019 10:12am
- Tall Man
  
  Soper and his “bed buddy” are back on the anti Nat bandwagon.
  
  Wankers both of them.
  
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  August 23, 2019 10:15am
  - Batman
    
    Don’t forget that Barry is the one doing the dirt spilling over Labour’s sexual assault coverup
    
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    August 23, 2019 10:20am
    - Tall Man
      
      “Running with the hares and hunting with the hounds” I think… or a bob each way.
      
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      August 23, 2019 11:07am
- Yvette
  
  At what point will the seeming decision that Paula Bennett was the leaker of Winston’s “personal details” – never, it seems, anything more detailed than what he himself volunteered to media – become substantial enough that she can take a defamation case against him?
  
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  August 23, 2019 10:36am
All_on_Red

Attorney General William Barr said the medical examiner’s verdict that Jeffrey Epstein committed suicide stands for now, with no evidence being unearthed that undercuts the finding.

“I have seen nothing that undercuts the finding of the medical examiner that this was a suicide,” Barr told reporters in Texas on Aug. 21. “Epstein’s death, I think we will see, was a suicide.”

“I do think there are some irregularities at the [Metropolitan Correctional Center],” he added. Barr said on Aug. 12 that there were “serious irregularities” at the prison.
“I was appalled, and indeed the whole department was, and, frankly, angry,” Barr said, speaking at an event in New Orleans on Aug. 12. He called it a “failure to adequately secure this prisoner.”
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August 23, 2019 8:54am
- stephieboy
  
  A rarity. I would have to agree as the MCC is a notorious overcrowded and filthy remand facility!
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/aug/17/jeffrey-epstein-new-york-metropolitan-correctional-center-jail
  
  Of course that doesn’t mean Epstein did not committ suicide !
  
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  August 23, 2019 11:04am
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    August 23, 2019 11:52am
secondcumming

Residents of Sydney’s cracked *Mascot Tower Apartment Block* have been told they will not return home this year….poor suckers!

https://twitter.com/smh/status/1164513782460289025
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August 23, 2019 9:01am
Notsofast

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On the eve of our supreme court solemnly seeking the final truth for Mark Edward Lundy, America executes the second almost certainly innocent man in modern times after Cameron Todd Willingham 15 years ago.
The blood of Larry Swearingen is now on the hands of their judiciary right to the supreme court.

It is worth reading this link and the comments.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/crime-law/2019/08/17/did-faulty-science-bad-testimony-bring-larry-swearingen-brink-execution/

As in the Lundy case there is unidentified male dna beneath the fingernails of the victim, Melissa Trotter.
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August 23, 2019 9:05am
- Batman
  
  Lundy is guilty. I’ll put $1000 on it.
  
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  August 23, 2019 9:08am
  - Straight arrow
    
    Shouldn’t that be a “Lundy 500”?
    
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    August 23, 2019 9:13am
    - Batman
      
      Sorry, yes. A Lundy Five Hundy.
      
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      August 23, 2019 9:15am
  - Rich Prick
    
    Agreed. And hasn’t prison done wonders for his figure.
    
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    August 23, 2019 9:16am
    - Straight arrow
      
      Certainly looks like he lost a couple…
      
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      August 23, 2019 9:22am
    - Tall Man
      
      No wife cooking for him?????
      
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      August 23, 2019 10:14am
  - Notsofast
    
    The submissions before the supreme court will show a slew of exculpatory evidence along with the further recitation of falsehoods by the crown.
    Of course this means nothing if a way to keep him in jail is once more devised by the bench.
    
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    August 23, 2019 9:20am
    - Batman
      
      Well I’m sure you’ve got the champagne already in the fridge then…
      
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      August 23, 2019 10:31am
      - Notsofast
        
        No, but I do have a decent bet running.
        Willie Young heads the bench, and Jonathan Eaton leads for the defence. These guys are both from Christchurch, not accustomed to losing.
        Winkelmann and Glazebrooke have stood aside as parties to appeals denied previously.
        
        This is no ordinary hearing.
        
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        August 23, 2019 10:48am
    - stephieboy
      
      “..will show a slew of exculpatory evidence along with the further recitation of falsehoods by the crown.”
      
      Examples?
      
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      August 23, 2019 10:59am
      - Notsofast
        
        The pant is cited as a colour match, but analysis has proved it is not a chemical match. Analysis proves the paint at the crime scene has no connection with the painted tools in the garage, so needs explaining by the crown. They keep repeating that a colour match means the murder weapon was from the garage.
        The crown claims a bangle was Christine Lundy’s and fell from a jewelry box. They have been informed on multiple occasions this bangle belonged to a friend of Amber’s and was never in the jewelry box.
        The crown claims there was too much petrol remaining for one journey, but they are lying. Science shows that a journey averaging 104 km/hour uses exactly 3 times that amount used in the most careful driving. There were never 3 trips accordingly.
        The crown and appeal court say that dna under the fingernails arrived by casual contact with no evidence, they contend that 21 hairs in the hands that were returned to OIC Grantham and never tested can have no bearing on the case. The crown makes no attempt to explain fingerprints around a break in point that match no police, no visitors, and not Mark Lundy.
        The list is long, and only by handwaving all this away will Willie Young pen another judgement that suits the establishment.
        
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        August 23, 2019 3:48pm
    - Tall Man
      
      “if a way to keep him in jail is once more devised by the bench”
      
      Yeah that “guilty” verdict is a real bitch………………
      
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      August 23, 2019 2:13pm
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    I see your monkey and raise you a hot pie from the servo with one dollop of cervelle de veau for your T
    
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    August 23, 2019 9:22am
    - Batman
      
      How about some petrol? I’ve been ragging the hell out of my Ford Falcon for no apparent reason……
      
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      August 23, 2019 10:28am
- chaos
  
  Yawn, a guilty man still professing his innocence to try to appease the demons in his head for what he did to his wife and child.
  
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  August 23, 2019 9:13am
  - Notsofast
    
    You show little curiosity in the face of the very high bar to be heard in the supreme court having been vaulted. This is not a leave to appeal hearing, it is an appeal hearing.
    
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    August 23, 2019 9:28am
    - chaos
      
      I really couldn’t give a crap, the killer is in jail, may he rot there, and may the people who care so little for the two he murdered rot with him
      
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      August 23, 2019 10:37am
- srylands
  
  How do you explain the hideous fake grief at the funeral, footage of which is unforgettable?
  
  And if not Lindy then who? Sure gang scumbags break into houses and rape women but AFAIK they don’t make a habit of killing young girls with axes.
  
  So your supposition is that there is a severely mentally ill homicidal maniac who did this and went to ground, never to be heard from again. And in Palmerston North. Of all places.
  
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  August 23, 2019 9:14am
  - Brian McDonald
    
    Not found srylands, don’t even know if the suspect DNA was tested against the data bank or if it will be in the future, and the hairs were ‘lost.’
    The test for the Lundy case at the SC is whether guilt is inevitable after some junk science was thrown out by the COA which the Crown relied upon to gain a conviction at retrial – now claim it wasn’t necessary after fighting all the way to the SC for its admission and used for the damning closing lines ‘no man has the right to have his wife’s brain on his shirt.’ The Crown’s prolonged arguments for the admission of the discarded evidence was noted by the SC at the leave to appeal hearing compared to the Crown’s current position that the evidence was of no significance.
    For the Crown other non forensic science, never used in any Court worldwide before the Lundy trial or since, is said to prove the ‘inevitable’ guilt. It becomes an important hearing after defence counsel say that the COA got DNA evidence wrong – if interested google DNA on a spouse’s clothing. A critical feature is now that the alleged CNS is known to contain animal DNA from the food chain and none of Christine’s DNA.
    What may emerge more clearly for the 1st time is not only a breakin (police say was staged), a neighbour seeing a ranch slider open at around 11am on a cold winter’s night (police say doesn’t matter – despite being near the time when Christine turned her computer off, previously said to have been ‘manipulated’ by Lundy in evidence since discarded), untested (lost) hairs found in Christine’s hands along with fibres unmatched to any clothing owned by Lundy, there were also fingerprints found in the area of the breakin unable to be matched to any person who had visited the home in the previous 3 months, unknown DNA of 2 males found under the nails of both Christine and Amber but none of ML’s. There was no attempt as far as I know to link DNA from the prints, to that of mystery hairs (Lundy provided his own hair as a sample and did not match), or to that of the fingernail DNA. The 2 men have never been found to be discounted from blame despite that mother and daughter’s movements were well known to police with last contact outside the home a around 6pm at a McDonald’s drive through where no physical contact was likely to have been made. As far as I know the McDonald staffer was never tested as the potential point of transfer, it would be unlikely that mother or daughter would have touched him let alone scratched him in some way.
    Multiple peer reviewed papers show that fingernail DNA lasts approx 6 hours under the fingernails as the hands are used, washed etc. The Crown now say (conveniently one could say) that time of death was around 3am (long past a 6 hour period) where as previously they said it was 7pm the previous evening.
    By sheer ‘coincidence’ both those times (the earlier with a big unrealistic push, the reason for the Crown to abandon it along with a woman who claimed to have seen Lundy running away from the house in the evening dressed as woman) happen to be times when possibly Lundy could have been in Palmerston North unseen.
    The original slide taken from the shirt stain was unable to be tested because of degradation, but apparently some of the ‘same’ matter on the shirt was, found to contain animal DNA but none of CL’s. The discarded science was said to by a narrow margin prove that the DNA was human – the crown had ‘wanted’ it be proved as being not only human (certainly not animal) but also female – both failed. A reasonable person might be concerned that 2 biological samples said to be from the same source would not match, 1 being said to be rotten and the other somewhat magically preserved, and that a biological sample would not contain the DNA of it’s owner.
    With that evidence (and enormous amount more) Jonathan Eaton QC will argue that Lundy’s guilt is not inevitable and the COA should have ordered a retrial after discarding the junk science mRNA. There is also some significant concern about the Texas quasi Scientist which the COA would not hear, but which perhaps the SC will. That material, provided by an Attorney of the American Supreme Court, is more significant than what the Jury heard from one forensic scientist that the Texas lab was dirty and not operating to the standards required for forensic testing accreditation.
    
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    August 23, 2019 11:09am
    - Notsofast
      
      It is also important to note that Christine Lundy going to the IRD, claimimg 60k where no asset truly existed, and paying a third party is the exact opposite of the motive manufactured by the crown. She was doggy deep in the whole enterprise, it was Mark who was more conservative.
      All this is well documented, but concealed from the public.
      
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      August 23, 2019 11:22am
      - Garbageman
        
        Attacking a woman’s credibility that was butchered by a psycho i can now see why everyone thinks you and your best bud are fucking loons you dont happen to reside in a prison by chance ?
        
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        August 23, 2019 1:43pm
      - Notsofast
        
        Garbageman, the crown claims that Mark Lundy butchered his wife because she was objecting to the vineyard project and to collect her insurance. The truth is that she was working alongside the business partner not knowing he was trading while insolvent. Mark Lundy hasn’t got a hope while people are denied the facts about his and her dealings.
        
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        August 23, 2019 3:41pm
      - Batman
        
        That doesn’t get him out of murdering (bludgeoning) his wife and child with a garden tool.
        
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        August 23, 2019 4:18pm
      - Notsofast
        
        Which is a comment ignoring that the crown motive is a contrived falsehood, a shameless retrofitting which points in exactly the opposite direction intended. And no motive means no crime in the case of a mature family man and business man. The point of a discussion is to hunt down and kill the falsehoods, not the falsely accused.
        
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        August 23, 2019 5:22pm
  - Notsofast
    
    Srylands, at least you ask some questions.
    The fake grief at the funeral was never entered as evidence by the crown, so is irrelevant. You will note he was wearing dark glasses, and this was suggested by his sister who saw the real tears creating an extremely red face, not deemed appropriate for the occasion.
    
    This was not a random attack, the occasion was preceded by his business partner, who has name suppression pledging to pay his debts to them when Mark Lundy paid him for his root cuttings for the vineyard. Christine Lundy claimed the GST on the 562k invoice, and gave him the 60k to keep the whole enterprise running. Thus it shows cashflow stress for this guy, who was bankrupted later for around 700k.
    Thus the narrative is clear. This guy owes a range of creditors a lot of money, and says he will pay them when Mark Lundy pays him. One of these creditors decides to sidestep this and go directly to Lundy, when the lights are turned off in the house. But Lundy is in Petone, and Christine perceives a home invasion. She screams and wakes Amber.
    This is important, as she has the same cloth fibers and dna beneath her fingernails as her mother, thought to be denim. She also falls to the ground with projectile blood on the front of her nightdress, never tested, but clearly from her mother in the first blows. She runs and is felled.
    The ferocity of the attacks is not from Mark Lundy, it is driven by methamphetamine.
    
    Thus the attack began when the attacker felt he was being grabbed from behind, and panicked.
    
    This was by no means a mentally ill assailant, but a hired hand to encourage some money flow. After all, blowhard Lundy had given strong notice to the community he was a man of means with big schemes.
    
    There are dna profiles on record. I suggest to anyone who is concerned for their safety that they demand these be run against the national database. That is something men with influence can achieve. This will happen in the future, it is happening worldwide, the killer is not Mark Lundy, so the courts must be aware of this contingent future dicovery.
    
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    August 23, 2019 11:14am
    - Brian McDonald
      
      Don’t reply to my posts Notso I don’t want to be involved in speculation and prophesying. I don’t appreciate your comments against Christine either.
      
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      August 23, 2019 11:59am
      - Notsofast
        
        I didn’t reply to your comment. I reply to Srylands and you are well versed in the fact that the motive ascribed to Lundy is trumped by his wife’s accounting. She acted with complete legality, unaware that the business partner was insolvent.
        
        The moderating inserted your comment after mine was still being moderated.
        
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        August 23, 2019 12:27pm
JibberJabber

Read a piece from an ex muslim awhile back, that this overt praying in public is all about marking territory, like a dog pissing on a lamp post.
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August 23, 2019 9:09am
- alloytoo
  
  It feels that way from any religion.
  
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  August 23, 2019 9:40am
Jack5

Is this going to undo Hong Kong’s quasi-uprising?

Hong Kong has its own currency, the Hong Kong dollar, administered by the Hong Kong Monetary Authority.

The Hong Kong dollar is pegged to the US dollar, and the Hong Kong Monetary Authority buys or sells HK dollars to keep it within a specified exchange band against the US dollar.

International speculator George Soros tried to break the peg in August 1988. Beijing backed the Hong Kong Monetary Authority, allowing it to beat Soros by pumping $HK188 billion (about $NZ24 billion at the current exchange rate) into the Hong Kong sharemarket. This, with Beijing’s signals that it would continue to use its monetary might to defend the HK dollar, drove off Soros.

With China’s currency now sliding against the US dollar a gap is widening between China’s yuan and the HK dollar.

Beijing’s monetary power, or the possible withholding of it, is a powerful economic weapon that could be used against a recalcitrant Hong Kong.

Another threat to Hong Kong comes from the possibility of the United States removing recognition of Hong Kong’s special status within China. That could economically wreck Hong Kong.

In the article linked to below, the HK dollar peg is described as the “cornerstone of Hong Kong as a financial centre”, but one that’s become the former British colony’s Achilles heel:

https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3023785/hong-kongs-us-dollar-peg-could-be-weak-link-if-protests
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August 23, 2019 9:11am
calendar girl

Just heard on Radio ZB News comments by PM Ardern querying President Trump’s suggestion about the possibility of the US purchasing Greenland.

I struggle to understand (aside from Ms Ardern’s TDS, of course) why our PM should feel entitled to express any opinions on such a subject when speaking publicly in her capacity as NZ Prime Minister).
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August 23, 2019 9:16am
- Batman
  
  She was probably asked. That’s how we get this narrative that the
  PM (when it’s the opposing team) comments on literally anything and everything when they shouldn’t.
  
  The left used to go nuts about Key commenting on every passing fad when in reality he was just answering questions from the media scrum.
  
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  August 23, 2019 10:35am
  - calendar girl
    
    Maybe; I didn’t hear the intro. But, regardless, I do question the wisdom of our PM publicly criticising the US President on something that has nothing to do with this country.
    
    Personally I don’t think it’s unreasonable to expect our PM to be ‘diplomatic’ (as well as answering the questions), at least in respect of one of our most important strategic allies.
    
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    August 23, 2019 10:47am
    - Batman
      
      I agree with you.
      
      Her answer should have been “I’ll let his comments speak for themselves” or some such non-answer.
      
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      August 23, 2019 11:46am
stephieboy

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
All on Red, Scott and other Discip; es of Donald,

Trump declares himself ‘the chosen one,’ eats up ’King of Israel’ praise by a right-wing radio host in wild messianic spiel.

Move over, Jesus, Donald Trump’s taking over.
The chronically boastful president went on a narcissistic rant of biblical proportions Wednesday, giving a nod to a right-wing conspiracy theorist who dubbed him “King of Israel” and declaring himself “the chosen one…”

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-trump-wayne-allyn-root-israel-20190821-6pvha2w7f5fpfcvep7oszga6ki-story.html

To laugh or cry!

You choose!
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August 23, 2019 9:18am
- Fletch
  
  What is ironic is that nothing Trump says is as outrageous as what the Democrat candidates for president say – as regards the economy, free this-and-that, their anti-semetic statements, etc, yet the media ignore all of that.
  
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  August 23, 2019 10:37am
  - Batman
    
    Trump said more insane nonsense in his chopper session yesterday than any of the Presidential candidates have said.
    
    He’s flip-flopped 2-3 times on various issues just this week.
    
    He doesn’t have a strategy, he literally says whatever he thinks will look good for the next two hour news cycle.
    
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    August 23, 2019 10:41am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Saying Trump doesn’t have a strategy seriously underestimates him. This whole meme that he works off the cuff is nonsense.
      You have any idea how complex it is to develop 50 story Hotels? I do. The planning and detail is intense
      But he does change his mind about things.
      Is that a bad thing?
      Look, he’s completely off the wall compared to your traditional politician who tend to have messaging perfectly pitched.
      He free wheels and speaks out loud.
      One of my friends, whose worth well into the hundreds of millions, is just the same. He basically speaks his thoughts out loud. It’s a process.
      Looks a bit crazy, but it’s crazy like a fox.
      Look at this ‘chosen one’ comment. I’ve seen the whole interview. He’s just fooling around. Actually he stood on the Tarmac and before his helicopter flight and answered questions for 40 minutes off the cuff. You wouldn’t see Obama do that.
      You need to chill a bit Batman. Enjoy the show.
      
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      August 23, 2019 11:10am
      - Tall Man
        
        ardern couldn’t do 40 questions let alone 40 minutes.
        
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        August 23, 2019 11:21am
    - Tall Man
      
      You mean he’s an ardernist?
      
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      August 23, 2019 11:20am
      - Batman
        
        More like, as Garner described himself once, an equal opportunity muck raker.
        
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        August 23, 2019 11:44am
- All_on_Red
  
  Lol
  Idiot Stephie falls for Trump making a joke and takes him literally!
  When are you guys going to wake up and realise that Trump likes joking around and trolling people.
  Soo funny.
  
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  August 23, 2019 11:01am
  - chaos
    
    Trolls usually can’t spot other trolls. Whoops mallard isn’t here is he, or allowed to say troll
    
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    August 23, 2019 11:03am
  - stephieboy
    
    All on Red,
    
    Watch the Prez looking at the sky as he proclaims,
    
    ’DONALD Trump’s ego took him to a higher level when he proclaimed himself “the chosen one” after tweeting about “the second coming”.
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgwalqjF5nw
    
    High Comedy of the first order!
    
    LOL
    
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    August 23, 2019 11:12am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Ive seen it Stephie. Saw most of the interview, not just your 15 second clip.
      Yes, it is funny. He’s joking around.
      What’s even funnier is you taking it literally as if he seriously thinks he is the chosen one.
      Btw, what was also funny was how in the same q and a he completely tore a strip off an NBC guy who asked a stupid question.
      Shame you can’t afford SKY TV and then you might be able to enjoy these things.
      Now shush. The adults are talking.
      
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      August 23, 2019 11:42am
Maggie Pie

I sooo love twitter – Katie Hopkins always makes my day 🙂 🙂

https://twitter.com/KTHopkins/status/1164606599303847936
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August 23, 2019 9:19am
- stephieboy
  
  “7 times Katie Hopkins hit the headlines’
  
  Examples,
  
  In December, she apologised to a Muslim family she accused of being extremists after they were refused entry to the US for a Disneyland trip.
  
  Mail Online, which published her claim, also paid £150,000 in libel damages to the Mahmood family.
  Earlier this year, food writer Jack Monroe won £24,000 in damages, plus £107,000 in legal costs, in a libel action against Hopkins after a row over two tweets, which Monroe said caused “serious harm” to her reputation.
  Hopkins was later told she could not appeal against the ruling.
  
  In 2013 she caused upset when she said she would not let her children play with lower class children with names like Chardonnay and Tyler.
  She made the remarks during an appearance on ITV’s This Morning programme.
  She admitted that she judges children by their names.
  But when she said she did not like children with geographical location names, it was pointed out that one of her children was called India….’
  
  https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-40061888
  
  LOL
  
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  August 23, 2019 10:56am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Gawd steph – move on man, thats all old stuff that happened yonks ago!
    She’s now got nearly a million followers on twitter that love everyting she sez.
    Did you even bother to read the one i just posted?
    [Made me think a bit you tbh 🙂 ]
    
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    August 23, 2019 11:51am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Heh, there’s definitely a lot in there for Stephie
      He’ll be thinking impure thoughts after seeing one particular Gif
      
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      August 23, 2019 12:46pm
srylands

This is a new thing. I am frequently receiving emails with signature blocks like this. ?

Joe Blogs
Director
(pronouns: he/him/his and they/them/theirs)
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August 23, 2019 9:36am
- Swifty
  
  Really?
  
  NZers?
  
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  August 23, 2019 10:47am
  - srylands
    
    Sure. All public servants. It started last month and is catching on.
    
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    August 23, 2019 12:46pm
- Albert_Ross
  
  Yup, I got one of those the other day
  
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  August 23, 2019 11:56am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Also, I replied with pronouns “His Imperial Majestic Highness” at at times.
    
    Funnily enough I didn’t get a reply…
    
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    August 23, 2019 10:21pm
Maggie Pie

Dose anyone know what’s happened to Simon?
Haven’t heard hide nor hair from him since last Tuesday 🙁
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August 23, 2019 9:40am
- Tall Man
  
  https://www.national.org.nz/news
  
  Keep up Maggie 😉
  
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  August 23, 2019 11:12am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Thanks TM – but not one post from Simon!
    And why is Paula looking sooo grumpy at the moment?
    
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    August 23, 2019 12:13pm
  - PhilP
    
    To be fair to Maggie Pie she did mention Simon, not what’s up on their website.
    
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    August 23, 2019 12:52pm
    - Tall Man
      
      On the page……
      
      https://twitter.com/simonjbridges/status/1164075861026279425
      
      This has always been my point, the msm ignore him unless they can get something negative on him or twist something out of him. It is going to be tough running an election campaign from the shadows…..
      
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      August 23, 2019 2:36pm
RiP NZ

So the BS in parliament continues, why the need for Mallard to be holding Tamati’s child other than the BS media op.
Tamati does fkn nothing, contributes nothing, feed your own kid – we aint missing you.
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August 23, 2019 9:42am
- Ruahine
  
  The child was born of a Mother. Scientific fact. Phoney. Passing it off as his. Calls himself a wife. To think that we taxpayers have to pay for this piece of rubbish.
  
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  August 23, 2019 11:17am
plc

https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/115224168/homicide-investigation-launched-in-northland

Pretty sure this will be Oranga Tamariki’s fault. Why hadn’t they uplifted the baby and removed it from harm?
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August 23, 2019 9:43am
Raphael

So San Francisco has just managed to reduce the number of criminals they have to zero.
They are no longer criminals, they are now “Justice Involved Persons”.

I expect NZ will be jumping at the chance to do the same.

San Francisco board rebrands ‘convicted felon’ as ‘justice-involved person,’ sanitizes other crime lingo

Crime-ridden San Francisco has introduced new sanitized language for criminals, getting rid of words such as “offender” and “addict” while changing “convicted felon” to “justice-involved person.”

The Board of Supervisors adopted the changes last month even as the city reels from one of the highest crime rates in the country and staggering inequality exemplified by pervasive homelessness alongside Silicon Valley wealth.

The local officials say the new language will help change people’s views about those who commit crimes.

Source: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/san-francisco-board-adopts-new-language-for-criminals-turning-convicted-felon-into-justice-involved-person
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August 23, 2019 10:18am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Too funny for words..
  
  https://www.slang.org/jip-meaning-definition/
  
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  August 23, 2019 10:38am
- Rich Prick
  
  San Francisco gets what it deserves. When its Democrat civic leaders invite the nation’s derro’s to come and camp in its parks, it is only natural for normal people to look at places like Palo Alto, Santa Clara and Mountain View as alternatives … where people don’t shoot up and shit on the footpaths.
  
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  August 23, 2019 10:47am
- All_on_Red
  
  https://babylonbee.com/news/san-francisco-changes-term-convicted-felons-to-more-politically-correct-elected-officials
  
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  August 23, 2019 5:30pm
rouppe

Deleted. I was wrong
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August 23, 2019 10:21am
Fletch

Chloe Swarbrick of the Green Party repeats the CNN claim on Facebook (and links to their story) that the Amazon is uncontrollably on fire. Swarbrick writes –

Our home is on fire – literally. If you’ve ever thought about what you’d be doing during the civil rights movement, women’s suffrage and other historic struggles for justice and transformation, you’re doing it right now. […] This is the politics deciding the future of our planet. If you live on this planet, you’re political. The question simply is whether you’re willing to take up your place in the debate. Big business *always* will, and always does. Earth can’t afford lobbyists.

https://www.facebook.com/chloeNZgreens/posts/972952919707014

Newshub (of all people) has a story that points out that the photos of the fire circulating are actually from 30 years ago.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2019/08/amazon-rainforest-fires-the-truth-behind-the-record-breaking-headlines.html

You have to double-check everything you are told these days, even by the media – especially by the media.
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August 23, 2019 10:22am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Anyone told her the Brazilians are clearing and firing their forests for more cattle ranches because they’ve heard that NZ Greens want to reduce the number of moo cows in NZ by 50%… and there is a big market in USA and China for quality beef.
  
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  August 23, 2019 10:41am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Nothing wrong with a Brazilian to clear the forest 🙂
    
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    August 23, 2019 10:48am
  - Tall Man
    
    Brazilians are out, “bush is back” although maybe not for long 😉
    
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    August 23, 2019 11:09am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Are you sure you dont mean “brush is back”?
      
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      August 23, 2019 12:22pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Depends on the lady really……………………..
        
        I’ve always thought “ginga” was more seaweedy………
        
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        August 23, 2019 2:27pm
- Swifty
  
  Wow – the comments are quite something and I see that it’s all the fault of capitalism.
  
  Love this one though:
  
  ‘maybe if we collect all our tears into buckets we can ship it to the amazon and help put out the fire?’
  
  Heh.
  
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  August 23, 2019 11:02am
- stephieboy
  
  Fletch, my previous post on the Amazon fires gets closer to the truth,
  
  The fires in the Amazon were likely set intentionally
  
  “The Amazon rainforest is burning at an unprecedented rate, and the fires are unlikely starting themselves. Rather they may be set by people in an attempt to clear land for cattle ranching.
  
  Cattle ranching is responsible for as much as 80% of the ongoing deforestation of the Amazon rainforest. A significant portion of the global beef supply, including much of the UK’s corned beef supply, originates on land that was once Amazon rainforest and is now denuded.
  
  “The fire that we’re seeing today is a fire that’s directly related to deforestation,” Ane Alencar, the scientific director of Brazilian NGO IPAM (Institute of Environmental Research in Amazonia), told forest news website Mongabay. These are not wildfires, she said, but rather fires set by people seeking to create cattle ranches, intentionally ignited during the dry season each year. “They cut the trees, leave the wood to dry and later put fire to it, so that the ashes can fertilize the soil.”
  
  Fires in Amazon rainforest up 85% from last year
  Data collected from a 24 hour period, Aug. 21, 2019……”
  
  https://qz.com/1692804/fires-in-the-amazon-rainforests-were-likely-intentional/%5D
  
  But naturally, Bolsonaro denies it,
  
  https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-49433437
  
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  August 23, 2019 11:19am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Keep up steph! Maggy W and me posted on all this yesterday.
    Go check out the pic i linked to showing Sao Paulo at 3pm in the afternoon on what is actually a sunny day.
    REPENT!
    
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    August 23, 2019 12:19pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Brazil has got nothing on African fires
    
    https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/global-maps/MOD14A1_M_FIRE
    
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    August 23, 2019 1:06pm
Cobolt24

The $3.5 billion brake on the economy | Stuff
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https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/115195602/the-35-billion-brake-on-the-economy
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August 23, 2019 10:47am
- DigNap15
  
  But Genter has bought ten cans of paint for the roads!
  
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  August 23, 2019 3:05pm
Fletch

What’s good for the goose….
Remember when Trump got told that he wasn’t allow to block people on Twitter because it was unconstitutional?

In July, a federal court ruled that President Donald Trump could not block his critics on Twitter. The 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Manhattan upheld a lower court judge’s ruling that said Trump violates the Constitution when he blocks critics.

Yep, well, Congresswoman Tlaib just tried to block conservative blogger/youtuber Steven Crowder, was contacted by Crowder’s lawyer and told she wasn’t allowed to by law, and Crowder was unblocked two hours later 😆

[Crowder’s lawyer] Richmond reached out via email to Tlaib’s office over the weekend over the apparent blocking of his client.

The message said

Pursuant to recent federal legal precedent, my client requests that you immediately unblock his access via @scrowder to your Twitter account @Rashida Tlaib (the “Account”). The Account is used almost daily for government communications, including those related to your service on the House Committee on Financial Services and House Committee on Oversight and Reform.

Your use of the Account has made it a direct source of government information that my client has repeatedly attempted to access and now is forced to obtain indirectly through other sources. Accordingly, my client is entitled to direct access to the Account, which should be accomplished by immediately unblocking his account access.

Two hours later –

A man identified as Andy, and who referred to himself in the message as the Tlaib camp’s senior policy counsel, responded, “@scrowder is no longer blocked from accessing @RashidaTlaib.”

https://www.theblaze.com/news/steven-crowder-reveals-rashida-tlaib-blocked-him-on-twitter

Funny how that works. Liberals like to come up with these stupid laws to use against their opponents but don’t foresee that they also have to abide by them.
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August 23, 2019 10:54am
- MCos
  
  I don’t think Americans in general refer to their constitution as stupid.
  Sometimes the interpretation thereof raises an eyebrow.
  If I was a politician who used Twitter the last thing I’d do would be read the responses. Most of the threads are full of vitriol.
  
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  August 23, 2019 9:01pm
Sofia

“Paula Bennett sent me flowers in hospital,” the Deputy Prime Minister tweeted on Thursday.
“Seriously bad taste. Also, they looked like she just picked them from a local park! Gave them away to an elderly patient. Not knowing their origin, she really appreciated them.”

Just as well the elderly woman did not know their origin, or, likely being a NZF voter, and finding flowers their leader had given her were local park grade shit, and little better than the Government he has also given her, she’d have told Winston where he and his NZF Party could go, and they wouldn’t need their Gold cards to get there.

“Not all the white man’s fault” – Winston.
Yes, Winston, we know
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August 23, 2019 10:56am
- Fletch
  
  Ungrateful bastard. Does it matter where they came from? It was a nice gesture.
  
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  August 23, 2019 11:37am
- rangitoto
  
  Winston is an elderly patient.
  
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  August 23, 2019 11:57am
- rightoverlabour
  
  Should have sent Hemlock, I posted a nice list yesterday. I am waiting eagerly to send flowers to a certain special occasion involving Winston. I’ll do my best to make up the bouquet from the flowers suggested yesterday.
  
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  August 23, 2019 1:02pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Fuck hemlock, send a Triffid.
    
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    August 23, 2019 1:53pm
    - Tall Man
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYEpBTAD27k
      
      More of a vege don’t you think?
      
      The triffid, not “what’s in it for wynston”.
      
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      August 23, 2019 2:25pm
Rodney Randall

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/115228273/christchurch-man-shayne-heappey-stabbed-14-times-over-unpaid-debt

“Sim has not yet been convicted or received a first strike warning, after counsel Lee Lee Heah asked for that part of the process to be delayed to the sentencing so that he can continue with the work he has at the prison, and go through a course.

Prosecutor Claire Boshier said the Crown was neutral about the delay. ‘NEUTRAL’

Justice Jagose accepted the delay but told Sim it was a “benefit” being given to him and he hoped there would be no further offending in the meantime while he was not subject to a strike warning.

Heah said Sim was willing to meet the family of the victim at a restorative justice conference.”

‘Restorative’ Justice meeting, prison work and a ‘course.’

Priorities first!
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August 23, 2019 11:34am
Fletch

Coming to cinemas next month – Rambo: Last Blood.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPuhNtG47M0
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August 23, 2019 11:46am
- Jules99
  
  Let me guess – Rambo is going through the menopause.
  
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  August 23, 2019 12:50pm
- stephieboy
  
  I quite enjoyed First Blood back in the 1980s with Rambo vs a Red Neck Sheriff.I just wonder how Sylvester Stallone will carry it off now in his mid-seventies?
  
  Of course, that’s it, digital effects will likely make him look in his prime.
  
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  August 23, 2019 12:54pm
Jack5

Trump likened to the “King of Israel”.

jta.org/2019/08/21/politics/who-is-wayne-allen-root-the-evangelical-christian-trump-quoted-to-validate-his-comments-on-jews?utm_source=JTA%20Maropost&utm_campaign=JTA&utm_medium=email&mpweb=1161-12957-4812
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August 23, 2019 12:05pm
Happychappy

Associate Transport Minister Julie Ann Genter wanted to ban petrol car imports by 2035 it has been revelled. Genter apparantly instructed officials to work on the policy before scrapping the plan. But National say the fact that the plan was even worked on was”Irresponsible”

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12261273
It looks like the Greens want to screw NZer’s without caring about the consequences.
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August 23, 2019 1:18pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  You dare call the enlightened, noble and righteous path screwing NZers?!?
  The woke citizens of Aotearoa/New Zealand will surely vote for this.
  
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  August 23, 2019 1:55pm
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    And anyway, does JAG strike you as the kinda’ chick who would be told what to do by a mere male?
    
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    August 23, 2019 1:56pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Another immaculate conception was it?
      
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      August 23, 2019 2:14pm
      - Suze Wainwright
        
        Umm, not sure who was on top…
        
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        August 23, 2019 4:01pm
      - sooty
        
        With that girly man, it would be a turkey baster!
        
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        August 23, 2019 4:40pm
Yvette

Ihumatao
In response to a question from Newshub asking if she would “want to see that land yourself? Do you want to experience it?”, Ardern said: “Absolutely, and I will. I have never ruled out visiting”.
“For me, it is all about making sure I respect the process that is underway, that is being led by Kingitanga,” she said.

Meanwhile …
The standoff at Ihumātao in south Auckland could be over with Tainui set to buy the land, says The AM Show host Duncan Garner.
“The involvement of the Māori King this week has been symbolic – his blessing was important, but the deal was already done.”

But protest leader Pania Newton told Stuff discussions with Tainui so far hadn’t brought up the possibility of buying the land.
“This is a Crown issue, not a Treaty issue,” she said. “Māori shouldn’t solve Crown issues. The Crown has to take responsibility.”

And almost on cue, Jacinda says …
”But I will visit Ihumātao, that has been no question for me, it is all just a matter of timing.”

… timing it just when Pania wants to hear that.
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August 23, 2019 1:29pm
- Tall Man
  
  [Mod: deleted] Can’t bear to miss out on a photo op.
  
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  August 23, 2019 2:17pm
  - chaos
    
    wait u til the mods do magazine shoots ✌️
    
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    August 23, 2019 3:50pm
- niggly
  
  No this still won’t work out well with Jacinda, as Pania and the “protectors” don’t want a Tainui solution.
  
  By deferring negotiations to Kingitanga, Jacinda may think she is avoiding any controversy personally, but the end result will be her being seen as a weak leader by some in Maoridom and everyday NZ’ers!
  
  Then just wait for the “protectors” to continue their protests and keeping on mocking Ardern and “holding her to account”!
  
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  August 23, 2019 5:58pm
Bobba Fret

Stuff now reporting that Jacinda will visit Ihumatao
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August 23, 2019 2:49pm
- sooty
  
  Was that the 4 pm press release!
  So it’s true Tainui is buying it!
  
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  August 23, 2019 4:42pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/19/trump-greenland-tower
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August 23, 2019 3:36pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Michael Mann of Hockey-Stick debacle loses his law case against Dr Tim Ball
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/08/22/breaking-dr-tim-ball-wins-michaelemann-lawsuit-mann-has-to-pay/
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August 23, 2019 4:30pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  Brilliant. Watch this to see what a plonker he is compared to the reasoned approaches of the other three https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3_sHu34imQ He is a disgrace to the scientific community and a fraud, especially his bloody Hockey Stick.
  
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  August 23, 2019 5:42pm
- stephieboy
  
  MW,
  
  Tim Ball is apparrently a litigious fellow with zilch credibility so it will be interesting what the legal grounds for the decision? ,
  
  More lawsuits[edit]
  
  In 2011, Ball found himself at the receiving end of a couple of libel suits. In February, University of Victoria climatologist (and now a member of the British Columbia legislature) Andrew Weaver filed a lawsuit against Ball for his op-eds that accused Weaver of incompetence and corruption. In March, Penn State climatologist Michael Mann filed a lawsuit against Ball and his think tank for publishing statements on their websites that claimed Mann was complicit in a “cover-up” of Climategate and that he had committed scientific fraud.[14]
  Since the suits were launched Canada Free Press has retracted one of the interviews with Ball on the website.[15] Furthermore, they seem to have scrubbed a good deal of Ball’s articles and Ball-related material.[16]
  In February, 2018, the suit by Weaver was dismissed on the grounds that Ball’s attack on Weaver was so stupid and inept that it couldn’t be considered libelous thus doing no injury to Weaver’s reputation to an informed reader. [17] Therefore the official judgement of the Canadian court system is that Tim Ball is either an incompetent idiot or someone pretending to be an incompetent idiot.
  
  https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Tim_Ball
  
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  August 23, 2019 7:27pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Tim Ball is apparrently a litigious fellow
    
    Do you have a comprehension problem. stephieboy?
    
    Tim Ball hasn’t taken the Law suits.
    They have been taken against him.
    
    But the cases have been shown to be without merit.
    He hasn’t defamed anyone.
    
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    August 23, 2019 10:47pm
    - rightoverlabour
      
      Maggy – Don’t bother. When dealing with these kinds of ignorant fools, who unfortunately don’t realise just how ignorant they are, it’s best to just downtick and ignore. However, I see we have another Sudden Stratospheric Warming event, and I have found literature that links these events to solar minima. Interesting times ahead. From this article https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4758621/
      
      “In the SH during austral winter and spring, we find that the decrease in solar activity leads to the following:
      
      A relative warming of the Antarctic stratosphere during June–December. This is coincident with a weakening of the background stratospheric westerly jet of up to 3 m s−1.”
      
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      August 24, 2019 7:32am
chaos

I love stories like this from credible people

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRgoisHRmUE

November 2004, 90 miles off the coast of Mexico near San Diego, California, the Nimitz Carrier Strike Group was conducting routine training and aerial defense exercises when unexplained events occurred. No one could have predicted what would soon confront the world’s most advanced naval war ships and fighter jets. Aerial craft would appear that forever changed all those that encountered them. The answers to the question of “what are they?” remains unanswered by the sailors and the US Gov. After years of cloaked secrecy the true story can finally be told. With multiple witnesses from the ships, their first hand testimony is impossible to deny.

Our film features CGI re-creations as told by the sailors and naval aviators that witnessed them. Aside from the historical fictionalized dialog (no one recorded the radio conversations), the story itself is based on the facts of the case, including official US government docs, witness statements, news reports and official timelines. See http://www.thenimitzencounters.com for links to the official documents.
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August 23, 2019 4:39pm
- stephieboy
  
  This link casts a great deal of doubt regarding what the Pilot and Nimitz crew members saw,
  
  Navy Pilot’s 2004 UFO: A Comedy Of Errors,
  
  Conclusions
  
  New York magazine summed up the retired Fravor’s current celebrity status:
  
  It seems that To the Stars is trying to shroud Fravor’s account in a spooky fog of faux top secrecy. This is a dicey strategy given Fravor’s prominence in online UFO circles, and gives the impression that Elizondo’s company is repackaging timeworn tales from the internet as freshly revealed government X-files. And, by extension, (it) calls into question the Times’ wisdom in taking his claims about extraterrestrial encounters at face value. (Wise 2017)
  
  To recap, we suggest that several things were going on during what was, after all, a training mission of the USS Nimitz carrier strike group. We believe the churning water Fravor first saw was caused by a submerging sub; that the sightings of a UFO above the water (variously reported)—which hovered, then came toward one pilot—could have been those of a reconnaissance drone; that there may have been confusion (then and later) over the object or objects caused by the admixture of visual sightings with infrared video viewing; and, finally, that one video image showing an object suddenly zooming off screen was likely caused by the plane’s banking while the camera was stopped at the end of its sweep.
  
  If UFO proponents claim inconsistencies in our scenario, we shall point out confusion and incompleteness in the reports. Apparently not only had the incident not been considered serious enough to have warranted a debriefing of Fravor—let alone of the several other pilots and radar operator—but most of the carrier group’s personnel at the time regarded Fravor’s response as laughable. Major McGaha and I regard the entire incident not as evidence of an extraterrestrial encounter but as a comedy of errors involving the pilots.
  
  https://skepticalinquirer.org/2018/05/navy_pilots_2004_ufo_a_comedy_of_errors/
  
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  August 23, 2019 7:12pm
Jack5

Stuff’s kamikaze marketing with an editorial today in the Christchurch Press, and presumably other Stuff newspapers, calling for an increase in refugees from the Middle East, as opposed to those from other regions.

This old Christchurch newspaper is in effect calling an increase in the proportion of Muslims in New Zealand’s refugee intake.
This is despite New Zealand drawing on the United Nations refugee programme, which is shown to discriminate against Christian refugees in the Middle East. Here’s details of this from veteran New Zealand Catholic journalist Pat McCarthy:

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/column/iraqs-christian-refugees-face-double-discrimination-3748
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August 23, 2019 5:16pm
- stephieboy
  
  Jack5, in a long, long period of time you have done absolutely nothing to lobby successive immigration ministers and governments to include Christians and Yazidis in the ME refugee quota!
  
  Even teaming up with Pat McCarthy could be a useful beginning!
  
  Sad.
  
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  August 23, 2019 7:44pm
Scooter

Another baby, 5 months old bashed to death in Northland. How many is that this year, I’ve lost count. Just as well this Govt is so focused on climate.
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August 23, 2019 5:21pm
- chaos
  
  So the govt is to blame for some idiot killing their child?
  
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  August 23, 2019 6:23pm
  - Scooter
    
    At least Winnie has spoken out and addressed that there is a serious problem, has JA ever?
    
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    August 23, 2019 8:09pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Well they’re not trying to fix anything, just get elected again by “what’s in it for wynston”.
    
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    August 23, 2019 9:05pm
- Inandout
  
  Unrecognisable I heard, what an ahole.
  
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  August 23, 2019 7:07pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    I suspect that baby murderers don’t prosper in prison.
    
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    August 23, 2019 8:13pm
Hugh Pavletich

NEW ZEALAND’S HORROR HOUSING WEEK: From Nationals Housing Crisis To Labours Housing Disaster …

… or … how the Labour – led Government finally blew it … setting the stage to lose the late 2020 general election …

The two worrying proposed National Policu Statements … Eric Crampton & Toby Fitsimmons … New Zealand Initiative

https://nzinitiative.outreach.co.nz/?Ns=&Na=view-msg-public&SMESG-oid=22213&Scontact=2149250d

Housing despair … Dr Eric Crampton

We Prefer Potato! … Toby Fitzsimmons

… Mid 2016 …

Labour, National both tell council Auckland city growth limits should be abolished … Sam Sachdeva … Stuff NZ

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/80113578/labour-auckland-city-growth-limits-should-be-abolished?rm=m

… Mid 2018 …

Govt criticised for moving slowly on Auckland growth boundary … Michael Daly … Stuff NZ

https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/105295016/govt-criticised-for-moving-slowly-on-auckland-growth-boundary

… According to the 2019 15th Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey, across its significant metros, New Zealand’s housing is the least affordable within the Anglosphere at 6.5 gross annual household earnings, Australia 5.6, United Kingdom 4.8, Canada 4.0 and the United States 3.5 …

2019 15th Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey

http://www.demographia.com/dhi.pdf

… following the 21 January 2019 release … the Labour – led coalition governments housing performance was trashed by The Guardian, The New York Times and The Listener which described it as going from housing crisis to housing disaster …

New Zealand housing crisis: just 47 ‘affordable’ homes built in six months … Eleanor Ainge Roy … The Guardian

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/28/new-zealand-housing-crisis-just-47-affordable-homes-built-in-six-months

New Zealand Vowed 100,000 New Homes to Ease Crunch. So Far It Has Built 47… Charlotte Graham-McLay … The New York Times

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/31/world/asia/new-zealand-housing-prices.html

The KiwiBuild failure should galvanise urgent action on NZ’s housing disaster … EDITORIAL The Listener

https://www.noted.co.nz/currently/currently-politics/the-kiwibuild-failure-should-galvanise-urgent-action-on-nzs-housing-disaster

… Access extensive further background information …
… in particular Feb Update & 2019 Sections …

Performance Urban Planning

http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/index.html

Seven months on … the recent government housing / urban development announcements were the last opportunity for the Labour – led government to get back on track …

It has … again … failed.

Enough is enough.

It must go.
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August 23, 2019 6:30pm
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  … some more useful reading …
  
  LGNZ cautious as government pits potatoes against houses | Scoop News
  
  http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1908/S00200/lgnz-cautious-as-government-pits-potatoes-against-houses.htm
  
  … New Zealanders dwelling preferences are crystal clear …
  
  Survey finds Kiwis’ backyard dream still alive and well – Westpac Bank Survey … Scoop NZ
  
  http://business.scoop.co.nz/2019/05/28/survey-finds-kiwis-backyard-dream-still-alive-and-well/
  
  The ‘New Zealand Dream’ is still alive … Wendell Cox … New Geography
  
  http://www.newgeography.com/content/006327-the-new-zealand-dream-still-alive
  
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  August 23, 2019 8:21pm
- Cobolt24
  
  What are your thoughts on the RMA reforms?
  
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  August 23, 2019 9:47pm
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    Cobolt24 … I assume you are meaning Nationals proposed RMA reforms …
    
    Best to get the structural issues (land supply / urban limits abolition and proper debt financing of infrastructure) sorted forst … then allow the critically important cultural shifts to occur … them make the land use law changes required.
    
    The law must mirror the culture.
    
    National is wrong to think the law can drive the change. They should have learnt that qwith the RMA fiasco … even the academic airhead Geoffrey Palmer mow disowns. It sure has been an excruciatingly costly exercise teaching lawyer Palmer about reality. Do we have to repeat the mistakes of history teaching lawyer Judith Collins as well.
    
    I made the above very clear at the tail end of the interview with Mike Yardley following the releae of this years Demographia Survey 21 January …
    
    Government needs to act quickly to fix housing market … Hugh Pavletich discusses with Mike Yardley … NewstalkZB
    
    https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/heather-du-plessis-allan-drive/audio/hugh-pavletich-kiwibuild-needs-a-revamp-to-fix-the-housing-market/
    
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    August 24, 2019 2:31am
Monique Watson

Github’s being attacked again. And so is Akamai. Sigh. 🙂
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August 23, 2019 6:34pm
- rangitoto
  
  Github is working fine for me.
  
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  August 23, 2019 7:02pm
Maggy Wassilieff

NZ’s Provincial backwaters highlighted in The Guardian
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/aug/23/terrible-nz-internet-prompts-concerns-over-how-to-watch-all-blacks-at-world-cup
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August 23, 2019 7:51pm
- MCos
  
  We live with a capitalist system based economy with essential facilities generally available, but paid for by the consumers.
  
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  August 24, 2019 12:56am
Hugh Pavletich

… CHINA …

China hits U.S. with tariffs on $75 billion worth of goods, including autos – The Washington Post

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/08/23/china-hits-us-with-tariffs-billion-worth-goods-reinstates-auto-levies-state-media-report/

Freight slump flashes economic warning signs amid US-China trade war … CNBC

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/23/us-china-trade-war-sparks-declines-in-air-cargo-flashing-warning-signs-about-the-economy.html

China’s enormous debt ‘no longer can be ignored,’ analyst says … CNBC

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/23/chinas-debt-levels-amid-its-slowing-economy.html
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record guy

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/115118698/how-the-national-library-preserves-new-zealands-digital-heritage

Poor people … like …. Blomfield

Cry me a river – just read the CoA judgment on Tyrion V Infrastructure – relates to Operation Kite via WO

That judgement proves a min of 99% of what Slater wrote is true.
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