General Debate 20 August 2019

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KevO'Brien

IRD’s problems likely spring from the same basic source as Stats: too much IT, too little management. IT contracts are often sales driven. User need are secondary and may require a further hidden upgrade to provide the dreams promoted.

IRD has experienced the problem in the past. Irritating tapayers irritates voters eventually.
My clients have been troubled by IRD’s latest moves. Frequent notices are being sent claiming large amounts of money are owing when they are not. Tax provisionally due for payment on later dates is presented as owing now. The form even takes you through to the bank for immediate payment.

Further I have lost confidence that all payments are being accounted for. IRD are not following conventional methods and cannot reconcile their accounts with taxpayers.

To add insult to injury they are now automatically adding interest and date-related penalties to their paperwork.

Others are reporting this too:
https://www.odt.co.nz/business/adjustment-pains-irds-new-system-costs-taxpayer-trust
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August 20, 2019 8:04am
- wreck1080
  
  The problems you report are not ‘too much IT’.
  
  Rather, they are poorly designed or poorly tested and ‘rushed’ ‘IT’.
  
  The IRD signs off on quality before go-live, so if they sign off without testing properly I don’t think it is the vendors fault. Ultimately , IRD employees are the best people to identify faults in testing.
  
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  August 20, 2019 8:27am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    I’ve been an IRD staffer. I have implemented tax systems elsewhere. I am also an accountant.
    Vendors frequently oversell packages.
    IT needs vigorous supervision. The tail can easily attempt to wag the dog.
    
    The new system looks like they are using primitive “jam jar” accounting where each jar does not know of the other. Centuries of bookkeeping principles appear to have been trashed. They have aways had problems with taxpayer accounts. IRD must be able to account for what’s been paid over and show their charges for tax assessed and other time penalties. They need value-date properties like banks.
    
    Accountability, certainty and confidence are all required. A commissioner was removed because of excessive enthusiasm in collection. That was a real bother to the public and the government.
    
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    August 20, 2019 10:05am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Vendors frequently oversell packages.
      
      Ain’t that the truth Kev. Hence the expression “smoke and mirrors”…
      
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      August 20, 2019 10:11am
Maggy Wassilieff

Please don’t send NZers back to NZ…

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/6335202/australia-is-deporting-a-lot-of-kiwis-and-their-high-commissioner-is-worried-its-about-to-get-worse/?cs=14350
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August 20, 2019 8:05am
- peterwn
  
  The former Moxham Avenue landlady has a special understanding of these things.
  
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  August 20, 2019 8:15am
- Ruahine
  
  Is Darren Hughes among them Annie?
  
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  August 20, 2019 8:22am
- Martin Williams
  
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  You seem unconcerned by recent gun crime in Auckland caused by expelled Kiwis bringing their Australian made gang culture here.
  
  It surprises me and right wing person would welcome crime to this country.
  
  Are you sure you are a Kiwi?
  
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  August 20, 2019 8:26am
  - chaos
    
    Who is welcoming it, it’s just a fact you cannot stop them being deported here.
    
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    August 20, 2019 8:56am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    @Martin Williams
    I suggest you read all my posts thoroughly before you try personal attacks on me.
    
    Why only a few days ago I posted
    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/08/general_debate_16_august_2019.html#comment-2540521
    
    I am a life-long pacifist. I abhor violence of any kind.
    
    I don’t know why you think I am right-wing. Perhaps you should check my history more closely.
    
    Am I Kiwi?. of course not.. I fly everywhere.
    
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    August 20, 2019 9:01am
    - softail 1450
      
      The reason only 1% of deportees from NZ are Australians is that the average Aussie isn’t a shitbag like a big percentage of NZrs living in Australia are,very fricking simple actually,and this is happening whilst the number of Aussies moving here is increasing all the time…..
      
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      August 21, 2019 5:35am
  - Tall Man
    
    Are you sure you’re not an idiot?
    
    No need to answer as the answer is clear to us all and your comment will be gone soon 😉
    
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    August 20, 2019 9:23am
    - herb1
      
      If Martin was a tool , he’d be in the pile awaiting sharpening
      
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      August 20, 2019 1:15pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Or dumped at the “Op Shop”…
        
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        August 20, 2019 2:25pm
  - John Warren
    
    Nobody wants them back here, Martin. But you can’t blame the Aussies for giving them the big old boot.
    
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    August 20, 2019 2:07pm
- wreck1080
  
  They will quite possibly deport thousands of kiwis on this basis of retrospective law breaches.
  
  Kiwi in aussie has a neigbour who doesn’t like them? The neighbour could complain and if the kiwi has some past conviction they can be deported.
  
  I wish we could do the same here!
  
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  August 20, 2019 8:31am
- Tall Man
  
  She’s as stupid as the ones that appointed her.
  
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  August 20, 2019 8:42am
G152

Its obviously to difficult for the pillocks to understand but if they want less Maori in prison how about they (the maori gangs, affiliates and cuzzy bros) stop committing crimes.
Or is that to difficult to understand.
The news reports are bordering dangerously on the edge of racism
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August 20, 2019 8:07am
- alloytoo
  
  If Maori want to identify as an imprisoned group then they should also be recognised as a group in breach of their treaty obligations.
  
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  August 20, 2019 8:14am
- wreck1080
  
  It is going to be hilarious yet frightening.
  
  There seems to be a fairly high bar you need to cross to actually end up in prison.
  
  Victims of maori crime are going to have to watch their assailants sentenced based on skin colour rather than on their crime!
  
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  August 20, 2019 8:34am
- srylands
  
  Listening to the news headlines yesterday on the radio.
  
  Story 1. The government has a plan for reducing the numbers of Maori in prison.
  
  Story 2. Police are searching for a suspect after a serious assault in Christchurch. He has been named as [typical Maori name].
  
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  August 20, 2019 8:36am
  - backster
    
    The plan seems to be to appoint Judges like Neave and the Fitzgerald pair.
    
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    August 20, 2019 9:24am
  - Martin Williams
    
    You can take the man out of Australia…
    
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    August 20, 2019 10:48am
    - srylands
      
      I’m as New Zealander as you, unfortunately. It says so on my passport.
      
      Do you have any evidence that racism is more prevalent in Australia than in New Zealand?
      
      Anyway, Maori are disproportionately in prison in higher numbers because they commit more serious crimes, particularly violent crimes. Unlike your slurs of “racist” , there is evidence to support that statement.
      
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      August 20, 2019 12:25pm
- emmess
  
  They are going to redefine a whole bunch of speech as ‘White Supremacy’ crimes to balance things up, how about ‘Asian Supremacy’ as well, they are currently also underrepresented, or how about ‘Female Supremacy’ or even ‘Old Supremacy’.
  
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  August 20, 2019 8:38am
  - The King
    
    Or the worst supremacy of all..
    
    Diversity Supremacy.
    
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    August 20, 2019 9:52am
    - stephieboy
      
      And you regard yourself as a steller example of white invincibility?
      
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      August 20, 2019 12:07pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  “The news reports are bordering dangerously on the edge of racism”
  
  Not just on the edge anymore. Within 2 minutes, Red Radio this morning had one official claiming that the higher rate of problems among Maori was ‘racist’ and another claiming that the high NZ rate of child abuse was ‘shameful’.
  
  Implying that non-Maori Kiwis are racist and all Kiwis are to blame for child abuse.
  
  It is now the fashion to blame everyone except the people who are actually making the poor decisions!
  
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  August 20, 2019 12:16pm
- GoVege
  
  They can’t mention the elephant in the room….that some Maori parents (usually the ones having 6 to 22 kids per family) actually teach their children crime, and thats why they are so over-represented in prison.
  
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  August 20, 2019 4:20pm
Happychappy

Is this new rules for public servants a attempt to take the Labour sexual allegations out of the media and shut down victims rights.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/115111805/new-rules-aim-to-stamp-out-inappropriate-workplace-behaviour-for-public-servants.
I have serious issues trusting this Government to do the right thing after listening to the Prime Minister several times trying to wriggle out of a situation of her own making earlier in the revelation of these sexual assault allegations with several lies.
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August 20, 2019 8:09am
- pdm
  
  It seems to me that it is more an attempt to remove it from Police scrutiny.
  
  BTW – was Mike Hosking not allowed to question Ardern on this matter this morning. He does not usually back away from these issues.
  
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  August 20, 2019 8:31am
- sooty
  
  Is it Labour trying to enable more sexual deviancey in the public service by their members by shutting down the making secert the compliants so no one knows and they can happyily fiddle to their hearts content!
  
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  August 20, 2019 8:34am
Martin Williams

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The winter grazing taskforce has been announced and there are two farmers on it.

That’s like putting two rapists on an investigation into sexual abuse.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/397016/farmers-vets-environmentalists-and-scientists-on-winter-grazing-taskforce
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August 20, 2019 8:10am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  What a clown.
  Oh, by the way Martin, have you outed yourself as the Napier barrister yet? You owe it to your partners and clients.
  
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  August 20, 2019 8:20am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    And his reputation, if he is not you.
    
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    August 20, 2019 8:28am
    - Martin Williams
      
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      I’ve lost count how many times I’ve addressed this.
      
      Have to conclude you are simply a doddery old fool.
      
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      August 20, 2019 8:39am
      - Tall Man
        
        I would understand that considering the inability shown by the left to actually count.
        
        “That’s like putting two rapists on an investigation into sexual abuse.”
        
        labour would seem to know all about that now wouldn’t they……
        
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        August 20, 2019 8:45am
      - srylands
        
        Yes well we don’t all search for your comments every day.
        
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        August 20, 2019 8:45am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        OK Martin, I missed it.
        To finally clear it up, are you the barrister or not?
        
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        August 20, 2019 9:20am
      - JibberJabber
        
        An “environmental” Lawyer perchance?
        Emphasis on the mental.
        
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/115127346/neighbours-furious-they-werent-told-about-napier-shopping-complex-project
        
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        August 20, 2019 9:37am
      - pdm
        
        Martin Williams I see you write letters to the editor of Hawkes Bay Today.
        
        Do you by any chance play lawn bowls at either Taradale or Omaranui Bowling clubs? Taradale I think. If you do we have met and also have friends in common who live in Waipukurau – former farmers.
        
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        August 20, 2019 7:15pm
  - srylands
    
    I checked out the website of the Napier Barrister. I would be astounded if they were one and the same.
    
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    August 20, 2019 8:43am
- mandk
  
  and 8 out of 10 members aren’t farmers.
  
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  August 20, 2019 8:24am
- herb1
  
  yes Martin , putting people with experience of an issue on the task force , isn’t a great idea . A little bit like making someone a barrister , who has a tenuous grasp of the law and ethics
  
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  August 20, 2019 8:30am
- srylands
  
  So you think that expert groups to advise on farming practices should not include farmers?
  
  Although the Soviet Union was run like that.
  
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  August 20, 2019 8:42am
  - Tall Man
    
    Our government is currently being “run” like that.
    
    Departmental advice is routinely ignored because it doesn’t either tick the “like” box or fulfil narrow mnded ideology.
    
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    August 20, 2019 9:11am
  - sooty
    
    250 working groups and how many are stuffed with anything other than toadies?
    
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    August 20, 2019 9:32am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      As Scribe so eloquently put it “Not many, if any”!
      
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      August 20, 2019 12:22pm
- chaos
  
  Just like putting a gang member onto an historical abuse inquiry.
  
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  August 20, 2019 9:25am
- burt
  
  That’s like putting two rapists on an investigation into sexual abuse.
  
  Or like not investigating them at all, guess you’re defending that too?
  
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  August 20, 2019 11:55am
alloytoo

The most concerning thing about the booing of the pm is how little airtime it got in the MSM.

The most concerning thing about the sex scandal in the PM’s office is how little airtime it got (is getting) in the MSM.

The MSM are making themselves complicit through their own inaction.
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August 20, 2019 8:12am
- Psycho Milt
  
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  What news value demanding widespread coverage do you imagine a bunch of drunks booing the PM at a rugby match has? Genuine question.
  
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  August 20, 2019 8:30am
  - Tall Man
    
    Ha ha ha… you wish.
    
    Thousands booed and these days who can afford to get pissed at the rugby with all the “fun police” in action.
    
    I bet you were an unpleasant little prick as a kid, a trait you’ve managed to retain it would seem.
    
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    August 20, 2019 8:47am
    - Psycho Milt
      
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      Thousands, you say? Did you count them or something?
      
      Still, you may well be right. If we were to make the admittedly-overgenerous assumption that the crowd at a rugby match constitutes a representative cross-section of the NZ population, out of the 50,000 present you could expect around 20,000 to be Nat supporters. The percentage of Nat supporters who are the ugly variety that would demean a cup presentation by booing a Labour PM is unknown, but is likely a significant proportion – based on the commenting on this blog, for example. So, that probably would amount to thousands who’d boo Jacinda Ardern at a rugby match – says more about them than about her, though.
      
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      August 20, 2019 9:30am
    - sooty
      
      Let alone the price at those places! Ripoff!
      
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      August 20, 2019 9:33am
  - pdm
    
    Milt – would have been front page if it was a National PM.
    
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    August 20, 2019 8:52am
    - Psycho Milt
      
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      It would have in your imagination, yes. Feelings about media coverage are subjective – my own memories of the media’s coverage of events involving John Key is that it was consistently sychophantic, but then neither of us is an impartial observer.
      
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      August 20, 2019 9:24am
      - srylands
        
        You are correct. Our memories can be fallible. However my memory of pony tail gate is that it was a big story. That leads me to conclude that if there had been any suggestions of a sexual predator in John Keys office, there would have been a media fire storm.
        
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        August 20, 2019 9:57am
      - Psycho Milt
        
        You don’t think accusations of assault against a sitting Prime Minister should be a big story? I don’t think many news editors would share that view.
        
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        August 20, 2019 11:15am
  - herb1
    
    The same value in the media lauding the mentally challenged lady who threw a dildo at Steven Joyce and the same value giving widespread and supportive coverage of the degenerate Harawira clan members who assaulted a previous PM.
    
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    August 20, 2019 8:55am
    - Psycho Milt
      
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      Protests tend to get coverage, yes. I recall the media giving plenty of coverage to farmers in Matamata protesting against Ardern back in 2017. This is something different.
      
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      August 20, 2019 9:22am
  - alloytoo
    
    How do you know they were drunk?
    
    Was the Dildo thrower (at Joyce) drunk?
    
    What was the point of repeatedly broadcasting those images?
    
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    August 20, 2019 9:29am
    - alloytoo
      
      Still curious as to how Milt knows they were drunk?
      
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      August 20, 2019 12:29pm
      - Psycho Milt
        
        If they were sober the booing would reflect even worse on them, so I was kind of doing them the courtesy of assuming they weren’t. Also reflects personal prejudice, ie it’s hard for me to picture people voluntarily standing about watching rugby if they’re not also getting pissed.
        
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        August 20, 2019 2:53pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Milts telling lies.(again)
        It’s very rare to see drunk people at the games.
        Firstly they don’t get let in to the game past security and secondly it takes too long queuing to be able to get enough drinks!
        If anyone misbehaves they get ejected real quick. Security is constantly scanning the crowd.
        Iirc he doesn’t even live in Auckland.
        
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        August 20, 2019 3:02pm
      - alloytoo
        
        …the courtesy of assuming they weren’t.
        
        I just thought it was common slander.
        
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        August 20, 2019 7:28pm
  - burt
    
    Psycho
    
    What news value demanding widespread coverage do you imagine a bunch of drunks booing the PM at a rugby match has? Genuine question.
    
    Like what news value was there in showing her delivering speeches at the UN where we were told she was the darling but in reality the auditorium was pretty much empty?
    
    Or let me guess, news showing her in a good light is necessary but there is no value in news that depicts her as unpopular?
    
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    August 20, 2019 11:57am
    - Psycho Milt
      
      “Prime Minister addresses UN General Assembly” has been news under pretty much every PM who’s done it, and no they’ve turned it into a popularity contest by counting up how many were in the auditorium at the time.
      
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      August 20, 2019 12:13pm
      - John Warren
        
        Well, fool, it really is relevant.
        
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        August 20, 2019 2:11pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Excellent, your comments show the desperation that is now rife throughout the left by the level of utter nonsense you spout.
        
        Payback 2020 eh psycho then back to the back rooms for ardern and the rest of the numbnuts and you get to resume your pointless and irrelevant existence.
        
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        August 20, 2019 2:32pm
      - calendar girl
        
        Psycho, the UN General Assembly was close to empty when Ms Ardern presented her address there. That may be difficult for you to acknowledge, but it’s clearly a fact.
        
        No national leader of substance and consequence would be addressing the UN General Assembly in an echo chamber such as our Prime Minister encountered.
        
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        August 20, 2019 4:57pm
- kowtow
  
  It’s not inaction.
  
  It is deliberate omission.
  
  That makes them actors who have chosen a side in the politics of these culture wars and they are no longer fit for purpose in their claimed sacred place as the so called ‘fourth estate ” while they refuse to hold power to account.
  
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  August 20, 2019 8:53am
hullkiwi

Two tier New Zealand, in which Maori can neglect and kill their children, but it is the state’s fault. So things have to be rewritten, so Maori have a greater say.

More Maori are in prison, so the system is racist. Hinges must be done in a more Maori way to address the fact that 52% of those in jail are Maori.

We are told more must be done by the whanau, the hapu and the iwi.

Really, where have they been in the past?

To have your children uplifted, you are not a fit person to look after yourself, let alone innocent young lives.

To go to jail, you have committed serious crime.

Maori, reflect on what is happening in your communities and turn things around and stop telling the rest of us that the state is at fault and must pay and may be then you’ll engender some sympathy from the rest of us!
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August 20, 2019 8:13am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  When you demand equality of outcomes, the ends always justify the means.
  
  Therein lies the danger.
  
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  August 20, 2019 8:18am
  - kowtow
    
    When you see the world in terms of the Marxist dialectic there is always danger.
    
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    August 20, 2019 8:54am
- artemisia
  
  Follow the money. Any move to shift responsibility for outcomes to a different group comes with a request for money for ‘our people’.
  
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  August 20, 2019 8:21am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  “More Maori are in prison, so the system is racist. Hinges must be done in a more Maori way to address the fact that 52% of those in jail are Maori.”
  
  The sentence would be truer if we change “Maori” into “people identifying as Maori” or into “mixed-race European.”
  
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  August 20, 2019 8:22am
  - fernglas
    
    If you go back to the 1930’s, the proportion of Irish Catholics in prison per head of population was about the same as Maori now. Was it a cultural, religious or social issue?
    
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    August 20, 2019 9:11am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Was it a cultural, religious or social issue?
      
      That is the key question that must never be asked.
      
      So much easier to blame lousy statistics on race (religion) or social deprivation than on aspects of a family culture that degrades their children.
      
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      August 20, 2019 9:36am
    - GoVege
      
      All 3 I think, Fernglas.
      Interesting that two groups of people who are brainwashed to believe the line that “every child is a gift from God” end up with the highest proportion of members in prison.
      You wonder when its ever going to sink in that having 10 kids per woman is a recipe for disaster….
      
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      August 20, 2019 1:48pm
- Brian McDonald
  
  “Really, where have they been in the past?”
  Enslaved, thrown off their land, attacked by tribes supported and armed by the Crown after the signing of the Treaty, after tribal conflicts would allow a decimated tribe the chance to rebuild or sometimes enslave them sometimes apparently dependent on the courage the vanquished had shown, inflicted losses on the ‘mighty’ British army in the North and at Gate Pa where when the firing stopped they took water to the wounded and dying of both sides, introduced to the World trench warfare of intellect against cannons, bombardment and snipers, knew the wartime art of surrendering into the mist to fight again, or gathered an attack on narrow flank making them ideal SAS members in today’s army of which they are a great number, population after the TOW fallen from 100,000 to around 30,000 when they began to understand the Law and their right to redress something which continues to this day as they comprehend how they were tricked and that the TOW was a ‘Unconscionable Contract’, suffered introduced influenza and other epidemics, prevented from speaking their own language, losing their seafaring skills, land and culture that had made them explorers before the English who arrived centuries later to shoot them on sight, once adopted abandoned european children left near their villages for safety and nurturing, present and fighting at Gallipoli, in the highest decorated NZ Battalion WW2, still present in the Armed Forces as possibly the dominant number, still ready to fight for people like you who demean them, were unsettled after 2 WWars when they believed they had recorded their right of equality and mana only to find they could not drink in pubs and other forms of discrimination, thrown into children’s homes raped and abused, formed gangs in the 60s, fell foul alcohol and drugs, been in the ABs for over a 100 years, worked as navvies on road, in tunnels, built bridges, their culture appreciated by tourists to NZ – and no doubt a few more things. Kiwi, kiwis and not from Hull.
  
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  August 20, 2019 1:09pm
  - GoVege
    
    Oh come on, Brian.
    Most of those tens of thousands of Maori were decimated in the “Musket Wars” of the 1830’s….by Maori, principally the Northern tribes who used European technology to massacre their enemies.
    Definitely they should not have been sold muskets, but surely the marauding tribes bear the bulk of responsibility.
    Yes there have been injustices done to Maori, but they pale into insignificance compared to the good brought by the introduction of the rule of law, and the abolition of slavery and cannibalism.
    
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    August 20, 2019 2:00pm
  - John Warren
    
    Enslaved? Do you imply by Europeans? Maoris were rather fond of enslaving each other, of course.
    
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    August 20, 2019 2:13pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Go to Britain and lose your mojo.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/aug/19/no-sex-please-were-british-stick-insects
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August 20, 2019 8:14am
Odakyu-sen

My wife signed up for a free 5-week offer of NZ Herald home delivery.

I have noticed a couple of things about the Herald.
– They support identity politics. It seems very important for immigrants to maintain their “roots” and forever remain a member of a “identifiable minority,” whatever that may be. (The notion of a nation of New Zealanders seems an alien concept to the Herald.)

– They mix in Te Reo terminology (with macrons) at every opportunity, even though English has its own words that will do the job. I find this irritating, like reading Japanese peppered with English. It isn’t natural and it shows a lack of respect for the reader. (The exception would be when no English word exists, and in that case, the Te Reo term should be italicized and followed by an explanation in brackets, or via a footnote.)

I would even get started on the Herald’s attitude regarding climate change, Trump, the “far right” and other hot topics.

Apologies for the rant.
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August 20, 2019 8:16am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Hahaha,
  most of us gave up on the NZ Herald 5-week free offer about 5 offers ago.
  
  A copy of the Gizzy Herald 1-2x/month is all
  I require for starting my winter fires.
  
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  August 20, 2019 9:11am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    By a happy coincidence, the Herald neatly fits into our cats’ litter trays. (I will not need to steal “Property Press” copies from the local supermarket for a while.)
    
    My only concern is that our black cat is a closet Marxist and that reading the Herald while she takes a dump may further radicalize her.
    
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    August 20, 2019 9:25am
    - Ruahine
      
      A black cat you say.
      
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      August 20, 2019 12:42pm
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        Black on the outside but red on the inside.
        
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        August 20, 2019 2:09pm
  - G152
    
    Fire starters are cheaper and more reliable
    
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    August 20, 2019 9:44am
  - tf78
    
    Maggy when we were offered the free subs – I said “your paper isn’t even good to soak up puppy pee so no thank you”.
    
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    August 20, 2019 11:46am
- alloytoo
  
  I believe the 5 week “offer” is merely a ploy to boost circulation numbers for advertisers, not a serious attempt to make sales.
  
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  August 20, 2019 9:33am
- Fletch
  
  AT least it’s fairly cheap and you get to log in and view the digital editions, too.
  
  http://nzherald.pressreader.com/the-new-zealand-herald
  
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  August 20, 2019 4:24pm
- srylands
  
  The mixing of Maori and English in the state sector is accelerating. So for example and assistant might be called ‘pou” means pillar.
  
  A “staff meeting” will be referred to as its Maori name with no translation. It’s endemic.
  
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  August 21, 2019 6:57am
hullkiwi

Jacinda this morning and Carmel yesterday, both on RNZ, both being quizzed about using old homeless data (2013 census).

The point us both have gone on to tell listeners that they are building more social housing than ever.

Wrong, your building the houses that Nick and Paula planned!
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August 20, 2019 8:17am
- hullkiwi
  
  Second sentence should have read:
  
  “They both point us all to the fact that the CoL is building more social houses than ever”.
  
  Sorry, fat finger typing while on the bus into town.
  
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  August 20, 2019 8:26am
Tony Stuart

I see Winston Peters is on bed rest this week after surgery for an old “rugby injury”. I was reminded of the old story of the politician who had an a-hole transplant, but sadly passed away when the a-hole rejected him!

Get well soon Mr Peters 😀
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August 20, 2019 8:17am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  And priNZess is hob-nobbing with the Maori king today. Does this mean that she’s got an excuse to miss QT again?
  Bloody shirker.
  
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  August 20, 2019 8:26am
  - sooty
    
    No, this means they are getting their stories on the same page about the protest!
    Maybe Cindy could fit in a kindy visit before or after?
    
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    August 20, 2019 8:37am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    She, and a number of her Ministers, are off to Turangawaewae today. Accountability in the House will have to wait.
    
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    August 20, 2019 9:14am
  - John Warren
    
    Hob-nobbing? You mean slumming it with an alcoholic ex-truckie. Probably on her intellectual wavelength.
    
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    August 20, 2019 2:17pm
- Brian McDonald
  
  I didn’t realise he’d been the Captain of the Maori ABs Tony? But read it somewhere yesterday.
  
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  August 20, 2019 1:37pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    If you are talking of our Deputy PM..
    He was never a Maori AB
    
    He was Captain of the Auckland Maori Rugby Team sometime in the 1970s.
    
    I think that qualifies him as being a former New Zealand Maori rugby representative.
    https://www.beehive.govt.nz/minister/biography/winston-peters
    
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    August 20, 2019 3:52pm
- John Warren
  
  Liver transplant?
  
  I suppose it could have happened at the rugby. Knocking it back for years in all those corporate boxes.
  
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  August 20, 2019 2:15pm
slightlyrighty

“Professor Holly Thorpe, a sociologist of sport at Waikato University joins Heather Du Plessis-Allan to talk about All Black TJ Perenara’s supprot shown towards Ihumātao.

Perenara wore a ‘protect Ihumatao’ wristband at this weekend’s Bledisloe Cup in Auckland in support south Auckland land protestersm, and yesterday attended

Thorpe says athletes are not robots, and are increasingly recognising their power to voice support.

“These issues are coming up more and more around the world.”

She says fans might say “shut up and play” but athletes have every right to use their platform to speak out on issues they feel passionate about.”

Really? Does Israel Folau know? Or does this university academic think that athletes have every right to speak out on issues she agrees with?
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August 20, 2019 8:23am
- Jules99
  
  And that’s why we have these rules. If you allow one person to protest for their favourite group, you should really allow everyone to do it, and then you get all sorts of unpleasantness. Best to just stick to sport and run for parliament if you want to ‘make a difference’.
  
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  August 20, 2019 9:08am
Thought Criminal

I was quite surprised yesterday to realise that Paula Bennett’s comments on behalf of the latest victims of sexual abuse under labour were from her Facebook page.

A thorough search of NZ news sites via Google revealed that nothing has been written about the cover up for a week.

Thank goodness no one pulled a ponytail.

The state of New Zealand media is a disgrace. Shame on them as their silence means they have sided with the abusers over the victims as well.
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August 20, 2019 8:32am
- sooty
  
  Yep all of them media know what side of their bread is buttered!
  Make me look good or no pushing the baby!
  How do you support your children to be come a journalist!
  
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  August 20, 2019 8:41am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    How do you support your children to be come a journalist!
    
    We encouraged our daughter by reading the stories she wrote, we encouraged her with her photography/video-making/ radio-station activities, we took her places, we helped with her finances at Uni…
    and I laughed when she said she was dropping Uni to train as a chef.
    Sensible girl.
    
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    August 20, 2019 9:20am
    - sooty
      
      I would have locked her in her room at the thought of becoming one of them!
      
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      August 20, 2019 9:38am
    - Jack5
      
      Maggy, your daughter has made a smart choice, and you’re wise in supporting her.
      
      She could still combine those two occupations if she had the itch to scribble. Food/cookery books keep on selling, and do best as offshoots to media-chef business in international TV. Chefs are big in entertainment.
      
      Chefs have other business opportunities, and not just in restaurants. Celebrity chefs earn royalty on consumer lines.
      
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      August 20, 2019 11:28am
    - Nostradamus
      
      Maggy:
      
      We encouraged our daughter
      
      Best not to bring that up, Maggy, as the resident pervert will ask you which cafe she goes to!
      
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      August 20, 2019 2:07pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Yeah, creepy…
        
        Thank goodness she’s overseas.
        
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        August 20, 2019 2:18pm
- cmm
  
  Was this on Little’s little list to Google?
  
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  August 20, 2019 8:45am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Yes, and you want to read some of the responses to Bennett from Labour supporters. Apparently she has made this all up (despite Newshub having first broken the story two weeks ago, and Jacinda Ardern admitting that Labour hasn’t exactly done a good job investigating), and it foreshadows more “dirty politics” during the 2020 election campaign.
  
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  August 20, 2019 9:17am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    How can she be making it up when the Labour Party National Council acknowledges a “number of young people” were involved in the allegations and subsequent investigation.
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/08/labour-to-establish-independent-appeal-process-for-alleged-victims-of-senior-staffer.html
    
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    August 20, 2019 9:25am
    - Rich Prick
      
      Why would the victims want an “appeals process”? Did Labour find the offender “not guilty”? Since when did Labour acquire jurisdiction over criminal matters? Where are the Police? Why isn’t the media asking these questions?
      
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      August 20, 2019 9:52am
- The King
  
  Do not forget that these people want you broke, dead, your kids raped and brainwashed, and they think it’s funny. – old internet quote.
  
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  August 20, 2019 9:59am
  - stephieboy
    
    The King,
    
    go and light a candle. Hours of fun in store.
    
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    August 20, 2019 11:17am
plc

Why have none of the twelve alleged victims in the Labour sexual abuse controversy made complaints to either Parliamentary Services or the Police?

I’m not victim blaming/shaming but given the magnitude of the alleged offending and the position of power of the alleged perpetrator it seems a little incongruous that not one of the 12 victims has made a formal complaint.

Left wing activists/SJW/Millennials are not groups knowing as shrinking violets when it comes to complaining about injustices suffered. Why isn’t this being formalised?
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August 20, 2019 8:42am
- chaos
  
  Because it was only of a sexual nature, wasn’t as serious as pulling a ponytail.
  
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  August 20, 2019 9:14am
  - Psycho Milt
    
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    I know you meant that sarcastically, but in reality yes physical assault is more serious than sexually suggestive comments in the workplace.
    
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    August 20, 2019 9:34am
- Tall Man
  
  The “rape” victim was subsequently admitted to hospital for an associated “mental health” issue. She has stated that she feels that issue would preclude her from being viewed as “credible” and I think we can see her point here.
  
  You are expecting the victims, who were/are party members, to stand up against the party on the MSM because they will receive zero support from the various groups that the party has spawned. alison mau’s metoo movement is a case in point.
  
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  August 20, 2019 9:18am
  - plc
    
    No I’m saying involve the Police or Parliamentary Services.
    
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    August 20, 2019 10:00am
    - Tall Man
      
      Not as straightforward as you may think especially when you have the prime minister not only “not” in your corner but actively working against you.
      
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      August 20, 2019 2:36pm
  - chaos
    
    You just have to look at a couple of the members here that excuse, defend and protect the labour youth camp sexual abuser, this new one. These victims of this crime would be attacked by many sick individuals. My heart goes out to them because they are up against a party that has a history of protecting the offenders in their ranks to sexual abuse.
    
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    August 20, 2019 10:03am
  - stephieboy
    
    Tall Man , obviously a police investigation is underway?
    
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    August 20, 2019 11:25am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Sexual abuse compliants often boil down to “he said, she said”; however, if several people independently lay a complaint about the same person to the police, then that is highly suspicious.
  
  If a report was not filed, then it never happened.
  
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  August 20, 2019 11:26am
Yvette

Tarrant letter
Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said the alleged shooter seeks to spread his message online and his letters have the ability to do wider harm if they get online.
“We need to make sure the legislation captures that kind of grotesque behaviour,” she said on Monday.

But lawyer Graeme Edgeler told Newshub the only change needed is around how a prison manager reviews mail. “Maybe they should be either taking advice from experts, maybe an expert could be making the decision, so if that was the change that might be okay.”

Edgeler said Corrections already has the power to withhold mail where it could be dangerous or encourage somebody to commit an offence.
“They just need to be careful and actually do their job next time, which they’ve already admitted they failed to do last time.” [1]

But despite Graeme Edgler’s very commonsense comments, Ardern will press ahead with some change, perhaps to deflect any criticism or embarrassment of this home hiccup after flying to France to talk to Macron, with so much international Adern-adoration over her “Christchurch Call”.

However, having read the Tarrant letter in question (and not requiring any obscure website address to do that) it will be very interesting to see what wording any new amendment or addition to the present law is required to successfully capture the wording Tarrant has used – that which is blurred in photographs local news outlets have shown.

[1] https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/08/no-need-to-change-the-law-around-prison-mail-graeme-edgeler.html
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August 20, 2019 8:44am
- fernglas
  
  When laws are changed because of demonstrably one-off behaviour, we are all made the poorer, not just because we are all being subjected to a law that is designed to prevent conduct by an individual that is unlikely to be repeated, but because we have a government that makes law without reflection or consideration, and such law is always wrongly made.
  
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  August 20, 2019 9:15am
- Tony Stuart
  
  The CEO of Corrections has also said that Corrections already has all the laws it needs to sort this out, and that the release of the Tarrant letters was an error of judgment by a staff member. You don’t rush through law changes to fix errors of judgment.
  
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  August 20, 2019 9:19am
  - Brian McDonald
    
    Yep.
    
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    August 20, 2019 1:38pm
- mark15
  
  Officials ‘should do their job’?
  If only,Tarrants massacre wouldnt have happened…
  
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  August 20, 2019 9:30am
- The King
  
  This heavy handed oppression of a political prisoner is going to backfire, no amount of censorship will stop Tarrant fandom.
  
  You could stop it by challenging his ideology with your own,but there’s the problem, when your own ideology is so weak you have to censor/gulag others, it’s not going to go well for you at all.
  
  I look at Jacindas Marxist camp 2008 video where she’s speaking in front of her ‘comrades’ she’s alot more confident when she’s not trying to hide her ideology from all of NZ.
  
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  August 20, 2019 10:12am
  - stephieboy
    
    “Marxist camp 2008 ” ??
    
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    August 20, 2019 11:26am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9rsxFaq6Ig&t=5s
      
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      August 20, 2019 1:44pm
  - tf78
    
    The King – I hope Paula uses that in National’s election campaign – just like the Cossack’s years ago. It’s time people knew the real person they are adoring.
    
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    August 20, 2019 12:00pm
Happychappy

Jacinda Ardern expects the report from the Commerce Commission to confirm that kiwis are being ripped off at the pumps but needs to wait for the report from the Commerce Commission.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12260020
While discussing the subject she showed that it might be a heavy hand approach with a comment saying they have never opened their books before so we will have to force their hand.
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August 20, 2019 8:46am
- Happychappy
  
  Herald headline, Raw Deal Kiwis pay more at the pumps. Isn’t it strange when the sexual predator out of the Prime Ministers office had allegations made against him and Labour tried to sweep it under the carpet not one comment supporting the twelve victims with Labour deals up raw deal for sexual assaulted staff while predator continues to work for Prime Minister.
  
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  August 20, 2019 9:29am
- MrLovebucket
  
  Yes, we are getting ripped off at the pumps – by the Govt and too much tax. Regional taxes, levies, GST on TAX etc. and what new motorway projects have been announced?
  
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  August 20, 2019 10:52am
- kloyd0306
  
  ….ripped off?
  What is the ever increasing government’s take?
  Look in the mirror before accusing oil companies.
  
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  August 20, 2019 11:24am
mandk

Excellent prize-winning joke from the Edinburgh Fringe Festival, reported on the Telegraph yesterday.

“I keep shouting “cauliflower” and “broccoli” at random.
I think I must have florets.”

The winner was a Swedish comedian, with the splendid name of Olaf Falafel.
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August 20, 2019 8:57am
- Kabull
  
  This remark has caused considerable offence among Tourettes sufferers in the UK and, I suspect, here in NZ. The syndrome is no laughing matter – just watch the series “Living with Tourettes’ on Prime.
  
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  August 20, 2019 9:56am
  - mandk
    
    People with Tourettes have a sense of humour, too (they have to).
    
    So I’m wondering who is taking offence.
    
    Sounds a bit like those snowflakes in Dunedin who objected to the use of the word ‘brainstorm’ because it was supposed to be offensive to people with epilepsy.
    
    As a left hander, should I be offended when people use the terms ‘cack-handed’ or ‘sinister’?
    
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    August 20, 2019 11:19am
  - mark15
    
    I’ve seen the videos.
    
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    August 20, 2019 11:39am
  - tf78
    
    They did seem to have a wicked sense of humour I thought.
    
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    August 20, 2019 12:02pm
  - John Warren
    
    Oh man, here we go.
    
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    August 20, 2019 2:19pm
- kowtow
  
  That’ll have the lepers laughing their heads off.
  
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  August 20, 2019 1:55pm
hullkiwi

Statement of the blindingly obvious….

RNZ news feed…

“Fuel market not as competitive as it could be – Commerce Commission”.

Two years in office, they did a law change to priorities a study and it still took 9 months for the Ckmmercd Commission to trot out a finding we all knew.

Prior to the last election Judith Collkns (then Min of Energy) got a 2 stage report commissioned. Stage 1 found that there was rigging of margins by fuel retailers, fuel prices got lower for a period and then the election came. Commission Stage 2 of the reports seems to have got stuck in Megan Woods office, a bit of bad press last year and Jacinda was all action (12 months ago)……today, we get a report……so, what will Woods do with it?
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August 20, 2019 8:59am
- chaos
  
  Did I read the final report and recommendations will be presented to the govt in December. So nothing done until next year or even the way they move until after the election. This govt only move fast to pass laws to give free university to people that don’t need it, take guns from legal gun owners, and cock up a winter payment law. Anything else can go on the back burner
  
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  August 20, 2019 9:13am
  - sooty
    
    Woody will sit on it!
    
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    August 20, 2019 9:42am
  - hullkiwi
    
    chaos, the other bit of this stupidity is, it was the Commerce Commission that has allowed this market situation to arise.
    
    Because it is the Commerce Commission, which in its role as overseer of company takeovers that consented to Infratil purchasing Caltex from Chevron NZ three years ago. With the purchase of Caltex and when combined with Z, Infratil now control 52% of the NZ fuel retail market.
    
    In recent weeks, this lack of competition has seen Caltex withdraw from the Aa Onecard fuel discount scheme and link up with Z service stations. Surveying gas stations in the Hibiscus Coast area reveals you can buy higher priced fuel at Z & Caltex petrol stations for a $0.06 per liter discount. Well knock me down with a feather and call me surprised. Caltex has gone from being one of the most competitive brands to being one of the least competitive.
    
    I wonder if Faafoi wants to save himself wasting taxpayer money and get us to write the report for him, because the evidence is already there. How many reports does he need telling him the same thing?
    
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    August 20, 2019 9:55am
    - chaos
      
      It’s the same with supermarkets, countdown promised when they were after Woolworths it wouldn’t see price rises, it has. We seem to have a habit in this country of doing away with competition.
      
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      August 20, 2019 10:14am
      - sooty
        
        Just look at the paper bags. If someone would pack their shit in bags free, I would patronize their shop over someone else!
        
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        August 20, 2019 12:29pm
- chaos
  
  Interesting news, gull is building fuel storage in the South Island, cheaper fuel will be here before the govt does anything.
  
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  August 20, 2019 9:23am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  She will say that the dog ate it
  
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  August 20, 2019 10:42am
- rangitoto
  
  Taxinda will realise that she is fleecing motorists with far too much tax. In the interest of well being she will immediately reduce fuel taxes. Then I woke up.
  
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  August 20, 2019 12:26pm
Maggie Pie

PEACE IN OUR TIME?

The King of Huntly is to hold private court today with the Princess of Point Chev
in hope of finding solution to Ihumatao uprising.
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August 20, 2019 9:03am
- Tall Man
  
  Now… who’s is doing the catering?
  
  KFC or Jim’s……
  
  https://www.jimsmowing.co.nz/local/lawn-mowing/nz/waikato/huntly+3700/
  
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  August 20, 2019 9:13am
- sooty
  
  Who’s paying for the grub?
  I bet it’s not saussage rolls!
  
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  August 20, 2019 9:43am
- G152
  
  At least the truck that gets driven through the waffle will have a licensed driver
  
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  August 20, 2019 9:48am
- KevO'Brien
  
  There is already a lawful solution and those Ardern and the Kingitanga are not part of it.
  
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  August 20, 2019 5:19pm
JibberJabber

Re Booing in sport, I recall years ago, early 80s Alan Border proclaimed before a tour here, “we don`t mind losing, we just don`t like losing to NZ” or words to that effect.
I was at the first One -dayer at Eden Park, as Border came out to bat he was subject to a loud boo from the entire crowd at which point as he walked to the wicket he raised his arms and bat aloft as a victory/ apology gesture and the noise turned into cheering and laughing, an awesome moment.
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August 20, 2019 9:13am
Yvette

Prime Minister’s office – alleged harassment
A spokesperson for Ms Ardern said no complaints had been lodged with anyone in her office; all the complaints had been lodged directly with Labour.
“We’ve been advised that none of the people who made a complaint to the Labour Party about a Labour member currently work in any part of Parliament,” a statement said.
“If a complaint were made about someone in the workplace that would be dealt with immediately as an employment issue. While to the best of our knowledge no such complaints have been raised, we have sought to proactively offer support to staff.
“We continue to urge anyone with concerns or anyone who might feel unsafe to raise that either with their line manager, Parliamentary Service or Ministerial Services.” [1]

Just as with the Summer Camp Incident, it seems Ardern knows nothing.
You can only speculate as to why Labour heiracy do not inform her in such issues.
Even, it seems, when it involves her own office.

Mrs Bennett declined to expand on the nature or extent of the allegations outlined by the Beehive staffer, but said she did not believe they crossed a criminal threshold.
“It would certainly cross an unacceptable-behaviour-within-the-workplace threshold.”
Mrs Bennett said she had raised her concerns directly with Parliament’s Speaker Trevor Mallard and stressed his responsibility to provide a safe work environment.
But she also singled out Ms Ardern, demanding she take immediate action rather than deferring questions to the wider Labour Party. [1]

So Paula Bennet knows. She has involved Mallard. And assumably Paula has also discussed this issue now with Simon Bridges.
So a sexual harassment issue again publicly involving Bridges, Bennett and Mallard.
Did they learn anything last time?

And, having just been appointed National Campaign Manager for Election 2020, how long should Paula Bennett hold this hot potato for Labour before getting burned?

[1] https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/396271/paula-bennett-claims-staffer-approached-her-over-harassment
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August 20, 2019 9:34am
- chaos
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34ag4nkSh7Q
  
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  August 20, 2019 9:57am
Tony Stuart

So a sexual harassment issue again publicly involving Bridges, Bennett and Mallard.
Did they learn anything last time?

No Yvette; Bridges, Bennett and Mallard are not “involved”. This complaint involves a Labour Party staffer working in the Beehive, a number of female Labour Party members, and some Labour Party staffers working at Parliament.

Paula Bennett is aware of the issue, because some of the complainants came to her for the support they were NOT getting from the Labour Party hierarchy. Trevor Mallard is aware of the issue, because Bennett approasched him at the request of the complainants, before she spoke to the media. We don’t know how much Paula Bennett has told Simon Bridges, so it is pointless to speculate. But none of these people is directly “involved” in the issue themselves; the behaviour of the Labour Party staffer. You do them a disservice by insinuating that they are somehow at fault.
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August 20, 2019 9:57am
- Yvette
  
  Wow! Look at the downticks my comment received and the upticks Tony’s remark gained.
  Obviously I am straight out mistaken – sorry – or did not express myself very well.
  But I still sincerely contend no one in Parliament seems to know how to handle sexual harassment in the work place – theirs, or when someone else asks for help.
  
  As one of the victims said “telling people to avoid Parliament because of a predator, is very scary.
  That no one seems capable of doing anything about it would seem very scary too.
  
  Likewise, if this remark does harm, rather than any good, it is not worthy of being made.
  If I am still wrong, feel free to downtick this comment and I will ban myself henceforward accordingly.
  10 downticks will do it :o)
  
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  August 20, 2019 2:06pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    or did not express myself very well.
    
    I think that’s the problem…
    It’s these lines:
    So a sexual harassment issue again publicly involving Bridges, Bennett and Mallard.
    Did they learn anything last time?
    
    Who does “they ” refer to?
    and why bring Bridges into the episode? He may now know that abuse complainants in the Labour camp have had a raw deal.. but he is not responsible for that issue.
    
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    August 20, 2019 2:56pm
Straight arrow

Fact: Maori are in prison at a higher rate than any other ethnicity, and have a higher re-offending rate than other ethnicities

Fact: Asians are under-represented in prison, and have lowest re-offending rate. This is in spite of less opportunity to connect with extended family, and engage in cultural practices, I would assume. This is also in spite of the, as stated in a comment in the document, “…we [are] focusing on American, British, Australian models of rehabilitation”. Which contrasts with another comment: “What works for Māori will work for everybody because it’s about people”.

Fact: Maori are over-represented in maximum security prisons. Does this mean they did more serious crimes? Are the re-offending rates related to seriousness of crime, rather than ethnicity? Of course I would have to ask why Maori have higher rates of conviction, but that is outside scope of this post.

Fact: Maori (on average) have a lower income and less capital (as individuals and families) than general population. Does this indicate re-offending rates are more likely related to these factors than being Maori? Again, why a lower income outside of scope.

Assumption: That those Maori who do the specialised Maori therapy programs have a reduced re-offending rate. As this is mainly self-selecting (i.e. as Corrections put it, those who choose these programs are “motivated”) then the outcome may be more about motivation (I do not want to come back to prison) as opposed to the program itself.

Assumption: While many identify as Maori from an ethnicity point of view, this is not necessarily from a cultural identity point of view, hence the concept that Corrections should be helping Maori become more culturally aware. This then raises the question: Do Maori who culturally identify as Maori have a lower re-offending rate than those who ethnically identify as Maori? And if there is, is it because of the Maori culture in itself, or because it encourages connection with community (who can provide support)? If we accept the premise that “What works for Māori will work for everybody because it’s about people” then who are the groups that will support non-Maori on the outside?

Summary: What I am questioning is the focus on the variable “ethnicity”, as opposed to investigating other variables (income, capital, motivation, friend and family support, church support, etc), and that while ethnicity may be correlated to re-offending rates, it is the other factors that are causative for re-offending rates.
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August 20, 2019 10:05am
- The King
  
  Nope its the same in America,Africa etc etc it all comes down to IQ.
  
  These people are just unable to overcome very human basic tendencies not through any fault of their own its all genetic.
  
  Having lived in the up north zoo most of my life like Tarzan in the jungle i could go into great detail about Maoris, but it would never make it past the White affluent liberal mod who’s never lived outside his 95% White neighborhood.
  
  [Mod: Don’t make assumptions. This mod in particular have lived with Maori, learned Te Reo, seen the damage the P and intergenerational welfare dependency has on a community, and worked shoulder to shoulder with Maori in a factory. White affluent liberal? Yeah nah.]
  
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  August 20, 2019 10:27am
  - Straight arrow
    
    Can I give the mod’s comment a tick up?
    
    Mod: Go ahead 😀 ]
    
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    August 20, 2019 10:36am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      There should be a facility on this forum to uptick mods’ comments.
      
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      August 20, 2019 11:28am
    - The King
      
      Let him uptick this..
      
      Tokenism:
      
      Tokenism is the practice of making only a perfunctory or symbolic effort to be inclusive to members of minority groups, especially by recruiting a small number of people from underrepresented groups in order to give the appearance of racial or sexual equality within a workforce.
      
      I’m lolin at the last part..”in the workforce” literally “worked shoulder to shoulder with Maori in a factory ” hahahahaha.
      
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      August 20, 2019 2:17pm
  - stephieboy
    
    The King, shall we compare your grey matter and DNA with a Maori or African?
    
    Differences?
    
    Zilch!
    
    https://www.newscientist.com/article/2163484-found-more-than-500-genes-that-are-linked-to-intelligence/
    
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    August 20, 2019 11:10am
    - The King
      
      Must really do your head in aye Stephie “we are one race the human race” boy.
      
      Reading articles about genealogy and the different races.
      
      Funny this part of the article..
      
      “Well-nourished children brought up in safe, unpolluted and stimulating environments.” ..they must be talking about Otara, surely.
      
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      August 20, 2019 12:16pm
      - Swifty
        
        What is he on about?
        
        Has he really never heard of homo sapien/homo neanderthal interbreeding in Europe and the Middle East – after we both left Africa?
        
        Let alone the Denisovans et al.
        
        Why does he come here day after day and make a fool of himself?
        
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        August 20, 2019 1:24pm
  - The King
    
    Yeah that’s right “blame the P’ so what was the problem before 1999 when there was no P around?
    
    Keep making excuses and keep getting the same results.
    
    “have lived with Maori” i’m sure you ‘have’. Sure some Maori are exceptions but nobody should live by them, you always live by the general rule, which is.. never trust a Maori.. .ever..
    
    That’s why you don’t live with them now.
    
    If you build a house in a floodzone, it doesn’t help you if your house is never always flooded.
    
    You ever lived with Maori in prison? It’s the only place you find ‘real’ Maoris.
    
    Now go tell your Maoris in ‘Te reo’ if you like to stop committing 90% of child murders and 80% of crime.
    
    Edit: and tourists, leave the fucking tourists alone.
    
    Thanks.
    
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    August 20, 2019 11:41am
    - stephieboy
      
      The King, I asked you is your genetic/ DNZ make up better and different to Maori? ( whether offenders or not)
      
      Man up and answer please?
      
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      August 20, 2019 12:12pm
      - chaos
        
        Why should anyone answer you when you constantly avoid answering questions. Perhaps you should man up and stop attacking people and apologise to those you you have attacked.
        
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        August 20, 2019 1:16pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        DNZ
        
        Any Geneticist here have any idea what this is?
        
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        August 20, 2019 1:48pm
      - Jack5
        
        A Stephie from the Stephieboy syndicate asks another poster for his race.
        
        To justify this, Stephie X, would you provide details of the Stephie syndicate members, and given the struggle of some with English, their international background?
        
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        August 20, 2019 2:17pm
      - The King
        
        It’s probably better than yours Stephie because i can spell DNA.
        
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        August 20, 2019 2:20pm
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    Their IQ is being measured after their parents have already stuffed them up. Bad parenting is not genetic but it does run in families because you learn how to be a parent from observing your own parents.
    
    Stop paying bad parents to have kids and don’t let them keep their kids after they have demonstrated incompetence, and the whole disparity between races will eventually disappear.
    
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    August 20, 2019 11:46am
    - The King
      
      I don’t think colonialism style parenting is a culture feature but you can keep trying i guess. Maybe another 100 years?
      
      Maybe you can convince Hone Harewera to let his daughter date a White boy? el oh el.
      
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      August 20, 2019 12:06pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      What do we do with the child surplus?
      
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      August 20, 2019 5:06pm
  - Jules99
    
    While I do believe in differences in IQ, I also think low aspiration is a thing too. I had a Maori friend who became a successful CEO and he used to say that it was his Pakeha dad’s values of hard work and aspiration that led to his success. The IQ picture is somewhat unclear due to high levels in mixed race parentage among Maori, but maybe you can draw conclusions from the lack of development before European arrival. I’m pretty open minded about that argument. Look at Simon Bridges – part Maori, solid qualifications and impressive legal and political career. He’s certainly got higher up the pole that a lot of NZ Europeans, so it’s not cut and dried. Sorry, just a ramble saying, I don’t know really!
    
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    August 20, 2019 12:53pm
    - The King
      
      “i had a Maori friend”
      
      The levels of tokenism in most of the comments here (including mods) are beyond parody.
      
      No wonder the Maoris want separatism. Who wants to that 1 token ornament around other people different from you? like a pet. Lmao.
      
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      August 20, 2019 2:10pm
      - John Warren
        
        What about my next-door-neighbour, Your Majesty? As dark a Maori as you will ever see in these post-colonial days of rampant cross-breeding. Hard-working bugger, runs a team for a large asphalt contractor. Widowed single dad of three (all mostly grown now), has my admiration for everything he’s achieved. Just a token?
        
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        August 20, 2019 2:27pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Many Maori don’t give themselves permission to succeed. They can be very conscious of relative status and lower status children expect to defer to higher ones. It would be an insult for a lower status person to show up a higher class.
      I have seen this. It also applies across employment.
      
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      August 20, 2019 5:03pm
  - Right of way is Way of Right
    
    I have spent over three decades as a member of the NZ Defence Force, another organisation in which Maori are over-represented. I haven’t just worked alongside Maori, I have lived with them, drunk with them, sung with them, fought with them, fought alongside them, played rugby with them, celebrated with them, mourned with them, taken them back to their marae and helped to bury them.
    
    I do not have a single drop of Maori or Polynesian blood in my veins, but I am as at home on a marae as I am anywhere else, in fact, my local marae consider me tanagata whenua, not manuhiri, due to my connections and numerous close friendships.
    
    You generalisation of all Maori as being limited by their own genetics is flawed. It can be simply overcome by looking at the number of talented and high achieving Maori in New Zealand and worldwide. Given the opportunity, anyone can achieve anything.
    
    Yes, even you might understand this yourself one day.
    
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    August 20, 2019 3:32pm
- Straight arrow
  
  As an aside to my post above…
  Under National there was a Social Investment Policy (uses “Big Data” to analyse situation).
  
  “Social Investment is about improving the lives of New Zealanders by applying rigorous and evidence-based investment practices to social services. It means using information and technology to better understand the people who need public services and what works, and then adjusting services accordingly. What is learnt through this process informs the next set of investment decisions.
  
  “Much of the focus is on early investment to achieve better long-term results for people and helping them to become more independent. This reduces the number of New Zealanders relying on social services and the overall costs for taxpayers.”
  
  CONTRAST with Labour’s policy:
  “Ensuring that the perspectives of groups disproportionately impacted by negative social outcomes such as Pacific and disabled people, are meaningfully incorporated. This extends to inclusion in the development of solutions and consultation on key social sector issues that impact them.
  
  “Moving beyond the last Government’s focus on data and databases to make better use of all sources of information and evidence, including client and provider views and experiences.”
  
  In a nutshell, National was about creating multi-variant evidence-based solutions, while Labour’s is about how a person of a particular identity group feels about their situation, and what they think the government can do to make their life more comfortable in that situation.
  
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  August 20, 2019 2:22pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Re-offending is closely linked to institutionalisation. I have known former prisoners deliberately offend to be back where they could cope.
  
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  August 20, 2019 5:15pm
TripeWryter

Mr Thomas Tekanapu Rawakata Perenara, an All Blacks halfback, is entitled to harbour whatever beliefs are important to him.

Mr Perenara – commonly known as ‘T J’ – is also entitled to espouse his beliefs on any matter he chooses, however he chooses.

But with one qualification.

When I sit down on the couch to watch him play footie for the Hurricanes or the All Blacks I expect him to do just that without giving me the benefit of his thoughts on whatever other matter occupies him.

When he or any other rugby player takes the paddock I only want to see them play.

I don’t advocate censorship. He is free to express his views on, for example, Ihumātao, the land protest.

He is, so I have been told, an inveterate communicator via social media. So let him do that.

On the radio yesterday I heard the broadcasters Andrew Saville and Scott ‘Sumo’ Stevenson tell Mike Hosking, another broadcaster, that they thought there was nothing wrong with what Mr Perenara was doing.

They thought it made him ‘interesting’.

My immediate though then was: “OK, you two, try turning up on the sports segment of the 6 o’clock news tonight with a sticker across your chests espousing your thoughts on something important to you and see how far you get.”

It wouldn’t be allowed in their workplace, would it? Not the time and place.

Same with TJ. Not the time and place.
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August 20, 2019 10:18am
- chaos
  
  Do you ever watch the sports news and news because often in the past, haven’t watched it lately, they have done exactly what he did. You see them wearing ribbons for many different causes, cancer, aids, etc etc. heard reporters rabbiting on with their views on stories. Nothing wrong with what he did, no different than other players who write messages on their shoes or such.
  
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  August 20, 2019 10:38am
  - Tall Man
    
    Except the “land occupation” is an illegal act.
    
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    August 20, 2019 2:50pm
    - chaos
      
      Depends how you look at it. You and I may say it is illegal, but when this happened that changed it. She made it legitimate
      
      “Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has announced a halt to building work at Ihumātao until a growing dispute over the South Auckland land is resolved.
      
      She addressed media about the Ihumātao occupation this evening after a last-minute meeting with local iwi, Fletchers, and the Auckland Council.”
      
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      August 20, 2019 4:10pm
- Brian Marshall
  
  TJ condemned Israel Folau for voicing his opinions. TJ is supporting a criminal protest. The eviction papers have been served and the protest is stopping the lawful actions and agreements made between the local Hapu/Iwi and Fletchers. Israel said some things some people didn’t like.
  Supporting criminal actions vs Words someone doesn’t like.
  
  Fuck off TJ. You’re a great rugby player but a complete fuck wit.
  
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  August 20, 2019 11:27am
  - chaos
    
    I wonder how many people are suicidal or depressed or even struggling because of a land occupation vs the homophobic attitudes from people they have to put up with
    
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    August 20, 2019 1:36pm
- kloyd0306
  
  In USA, Barbra Streisand, ultra liberal and Trump hater, is often told to “shut up and sing” – so TJ should shut up and play.
  
  TJ’s platform is OK but Israel Folau’s platform is not?
  
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  August 20, 2019 11:34am
  - Gravelroad
    
    Betcha Israel Falau would still be playing rugby for Australia if he were a convert to a certain religion – you know the one? The religion of peace but not equality.
    If Mr Folau had voiced his opinions from that particular position, no one would have dared challenge him- including TJ Perenara.
    
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    August 20, 2019 12:55pm
Straight arrow

Newshub…
Wellington is the new home to a massive sculpture – and it’s making waves with the locals.

The five-metre tall polystyrene and resin sculpture was created by artist Ronnie van Hout. It’s a large hand standing on two fingers, with a face in the palm.

Originally, it stood atop Christchurch Art Gallery, but now “Quasi” is perched on top of Wellington’s City Gallery, staring out over the city.

So it appears that Wellington is choosing (unlike Auckland) to spend money “hand” over “Fist”.
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August 20, 2019 10:23am
- Sacha
  
  Target shooting, anyone?
  
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  August 20, 2019 11:31am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Could you climb on it?
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/111059746/man-who-broke-wellington-sculpture-gets-community-work-but-only-has-to-pay-1000
    
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    August 20, 2019 11:51am
    - sooty
      
      Petrol disoves polystyrene and a match makes it burn!
      
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      August 20, 2019 12:24pm
- chaos
  
  Perhaps this hand made a guest appearance at the labour youth camp and the 9th floor
  
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  August 20, 2019 1:10pm
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Or perhaps it should be relocated to the foyer of Fraser House…
    
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    August 20, 2019 1:31pm
  - Straight arrow
    
    Or Plamy?
    
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    August 20, 2019 2:46pm
oob

Maori are clamouring for separatism, we should embrace it.

• All Maori to become citizens of a new state, Aotearoa
• Maori may apply for citizenship of NZ, agreeing to abide by NZ law and renouncing their citizenship of Aotearoa.
• The state of Aotearoa is solely responsible for taxation and provision of services to its citizens.

Now for the best bit to make all of this workable:

• The punishment for any crime, no matter how trivial, committed by a citizen of Aotearoa against a citizen of NZ is execution.
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August 20, 2019 10:28am
- The King
  
  Apartheid is the only solution, we have Apartheid in our street, also ask Israel.
  
  Doesn’t worry me though i will never be a victim of Maori crime. I don’t do the “i’m not racist so they won’t victimize me” shtick like 99% of victims.
  
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  August 20, 2019 11:59am
- KevO'Brien
  
  What state do the Maori belong too? The tribes are not one nation and many who have lost their roots would be effectively stateless.
  
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  August 20, 2019 4:53pm
Hugh Pavletich

Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/08/links-20-august-2019/#comment-3413913

NEW ZEALAND … THE FONTERRA FIASCO …

Keith Woodford explains how Fonterra’s Australian operations must now be centre stage to Fonterra’s financial unravelling … Interest Co NZ

https://www.interest.co.nz/rural-news/101280/keith-woodford-explains-how-fonterra%E2%80%99s-australian-operations-must-now-be-centre

Fonterra’s announcement that it expects a loss of around $600 million or more for the year ended 31 July 2019 has big ramifications for Oz Fonterra. With overseas-milk pools now lying outside the central focus of Fonterra’s new strategy, and with Fonterra seriously short of capital, the Australian-milk pool and associated processing assets look increasingly burdensome.

If Fonterra were to divest its Australian operations, then it would demonstrate that Fonterra really is retreating to be a New Zealand producer of New Zealand dairy ingredients. It would also reinforce the notion that consumer-branded products are now largely beyond its reach. … read more via hyperlink above …
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Google Search NZ ‘Fonterra” …

https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=JiFbXdKxGtDez7sPwf6DqAI&q=fonterra&oq=fonterra&gs_l=psy-ab.12..
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August 20, 2019 10:42am
- chaos
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isiZ9U83_SM
  
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  August 20, 2019 11:11am
- chaos
  
  Further more I believe this is relevant
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pc6z0nK6vsE
  
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  August 20, 2019 11:14am
chaos

Eeeeeeeek, newshub seem to have a theme today

“’I see you wanna die’: Woman allegedly burns down house of man who fell asleep before sex”

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2019/08/i-see-you-wanna-die-woman-allegedly-burns-down-house-of-man-who-fell-asleep-before-sex.html

“Woman in China stabs boyfriend to death after he calls her fat – witnesses”

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2019/08/woman-in-china-stabs-boyfriend-to-death-after-he-calls-her-fat-witnesses.html
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August 20, 2019 10:52am
- Psycho Milt
  
  Had this Chinese bloke never met any women before, then? “Don’t say they’re fat, especially if they are” should be pretty much the number one item on a man’s “Don’t say this to a woman unless you want things to get stabby” list.
  
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  August 20, 2019 11:20am
MrLovebucket

Maori make up over 50% of the prison population and Kelvin wants to reduce this to 15% to match the with their proportion of NZ.

Surely this logic should also be applied to gender, and the reason why there are so many more men are in prison is solely down to sexism by police and the NZ justice system.
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August 20, 2019 10:57am
- sooty
  
  They are there for a reason and it was not for playing tiddly winks!
  
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  August 20, 2019 12:20pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  they also need to increase the number of men on the dpb, and non-maori on benefits across the board, as well as getting more male nurses and primary teachers. I also bet there are far more women employed by the state than men – needs to be equalised.
  
  Targeting equal outcomes = amoeba level stupidity.
  
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  August 20, 2019 1:02pm
Maggy Wassilieff

An analysis of Wellington’s bus transport disaster:
http://wellington.scoop.co.nz/?p=121439#more-121439
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August 20, 2019 10:58am
Straight arrow

Question to mods. Why can I tick up/down on most posts, but greyed out on others, eg TripeWryter’s and The King’s posts, as well as mine?
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August 20, 2019 11:46am
wreck1080

Why don’t cafe’s use heaters in winter? At least in tauranga, most cafe’s are like fridges in winter.

Having lived in europe where cafe’s are warm inviting places.
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August 20, 2019 12:03pm
- oob
  
  Why can’t the NZ education system teach wreck1080 how to pluralise?
  
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  August 20, 2019 12:20pm
  - kowtow
    
    Yeh but have you just turned an adjective or noun into a verb?
    That’s kinda ‘merican , ain’t it?
    
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    August 20, 2019 1:52pm
    - oob
      
      I did not. Pluralise is the proper verb and I didn’t make it up.
      
      You might have preferred I use the verb conjugate and I would have, if the concept of conjugations and declensions wasn’t almost entirely unfamiliar to monolingual native English speakers.
      
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      August 20, 2019 10:08pm
  - wreck1080
    
    Put a sock in it, nerd!
    
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    August 20, 2019 4:23pm
- Jules99
  
  Agree – I sat in one yesterday and kept my padded winter coat on the whole time.
  
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  August 20, 2019 12:41pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Can someone on the Prison Reform gang just get a clear message as to why Maori are ending up in Prison and reoffending.

The PM says it’s racism in our prisons:
Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern says she backs Corrections Minister Kelvin Davis as being best placed to comment on racism in the prison system.

Chester Borrows says it is failures in other government departments … but in particular with Education.

It’s not rocket science and people have been saying it for 30 years – that failures in education end up being failures in the justice sector.”

The vast majority of people in the youth justice system haven’t been to high school and those in prison come from the same social system, he said.

But as you note: he also identifies the same social system.

And that to my mind is where the problem lies:
Families who eschew education; embrace booze, drugs and gang life; exploit their children.

Same story all over the world…not exclusive to Maori.
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August 20, 2019 12:06pm
- Ed Snack
  
  This, most definitely this. It is cultural – social behaviour is learnt from peers and parent(s).
  
  If your “culture” respects and encourages learning and achievement you will get more of that (see Chinese, Jewish as cultural groups that espouse this and have over a very long time) – by sexual selection this will get reflected in the population genetics to a degree. If however your culture primarily “respects” the macho masculine display and ritual dominance you will get more of that for the same reasons.
  
  If you as a child know that amongst your peers you will be disrespected and bullied for being studious, then very very few children in that group will ever be studious.
  
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  August 20, 2019 12:38pm
  - The King
    
    It was Chinese “culture” that got a Chinese man let off jail for touching a boys penis in Christchurch.
    
    Tell me more about “Chinese culture” and touching boys penises as “learning and achievement”
    
    The headline still makes me laugh “cultural mistake”
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/114300644/cultural-mistake-led-to-touching-of-boy-at-changing-rooms-in-christchurch
    
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    August 20, 2019 1:33pm
- Swifty
  
  For the last few months I’ve had a late-30s Maori mother and her 12 year old daughter living with us.
  
  I fear it may end soon – we’re just too different.
  
  I’ll give but one example – daughter has had more days off school in the few months they’ve been with us than my 16 years old has had off in, I’m guessing, the last five years maybe more.
  
  She has been home today and yesterday, after the weekend with the rellies in Whangarei and getting back 5am yesterday(!), and when I asked her yesterday if she was sick the response I got was ‘Oh, no, I am just too tired to go to school.’
  
  I fear for this girl.
  
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  August 20, 2019 12:55pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    I hope the mother’s up to date with the board money.
    
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    August 20, 2019 1:48pm
  - Swifty
    
    Rent is paid automatically to me by her employer weekly – so no worries there.
    
    Bills falling further behind though – now just over $300.
    
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    August 20, 2019 1:51pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Why are some cultures more violent? Maori fit in well with fighting “Pacific” Islanders some of whom I have known to acknowledge their fighting nature by referring to themselves as “the Irishmen of the Pacific” .
  We cannot equalise ethnic proportions in our prisons. To do that requires different rules for the same crimes. ~~Colonisation?~~ The COL run wild.
  
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  August 20, 2019 4:43pm
Swifty

Can any legal beagles shed any light on whether this woman can or is likely to be charged, tried and/or punished for her continued deceit?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12260080

Certainly this judge is in no doubt as to her conduct.
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August 20, 2019 12:38pm
- The King
  
  Ah more Chinese culture, importing tons of meth is worth the good food! t. – the eternal boomer.
  
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  August 20, 2019 1:41pm
info@cruzpro.com

Was in Denver, Colorado last week. The price of petrol was US$2.49 a gallon or about NZ$0.95 per liter.
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August 20, 2019 12:56pm
- cmm
  
  Sure, but our petrol price also includes ACC etc. so you are not making an apples-to-apples comparison.
  
  In most states in USA insurance is compulsory (effectively to replace what we do with ACC) That can cost a few hundred $ per month (say NZ$300) to get the level of cover that ACC effectively provides.
  
  If you’re using 200l of petrol a month then the “package deal” is probably a bit cheaper in NZ.
  
  One good thing though is that in USA a good driver ends up paying lower insurance rates. In NZ, the ACC component of petrol is the same regardless. Good drivers subsidise nob heads.
  
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  August 20, 2019 1:33pm
- waripori
  
  The yanks have smaller gallons. 3.78541 litres/ gallon vs 4.54609 here. Not sure about sales tax on petrol there but sales tax generally not included in advertised retail prices. That is why a $1.00 item costs maybe $1.05 depending on where or what. Gas is cheaper there but not hat much.
  
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  August 20, 2019 3:17pm
Swifty

Father hires killers to off his ‘untouchable’ son-in-law.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/115128467/father-hires-killers-after-young-couple-marry

And there are still some who believe all cultures are equal….

FFS.
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August 20, 2019 1:08pm
- cmm
  
  C’mon be honest, we’ve all done stuff like that.
  I haven’t but then I don’t have any daughters.
  
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  August 20, 2019 1:38pm
  - Swifty
    
    Heh.
    
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    August 20, 2019 1:47pm
  - sooty
    
    Hone, would!
    
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    August 20, 2019 2:04pm
Swifty

“Look, the real enemy is over there – they are stealing from you!!!!!!”

“BUT I WILL SAVE YOU FROM THEM!!!!!!”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/115126155/competition-not-working-properly-at-the-pump-watchdog-finds

Jacinda looking desperately for a distraction, any distraction.
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August 20, 2019 1:13pm
- cmm
  
  Just tell them that if they don’t bring their prices down they will be forced to join a working group.
  
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  August 20, 2019 1:39pm
  - sooty
    
    No, we have enough toadie groups!
    We pay 52 cents in the dollar in tax, she’s lying!
    
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    August 20, 2019 2:04pm
- kowtow
  
  I watched the mid day TV 1 views on this.
  
  Not a mention of the gubmint tax monopoly that makes our car juice so very expensive.
  
  ps and the girl “reporting” was standing in a howling wind in front of a petrol station sign in Wellington , what’s the point of an outdoor shoot if the delivery ‘s going to be fucked up?
  
  Same with all their “live crosses” hours after incidents/ accidents / occurances are long over.
  
  Dick heads.
  
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  August 20, 2019 1:42pm
  - Gravelroad
    
    What gets me about so called “reporters” is how the story is increasingly becoming about them.
    Last night on 7 sharp we were treated to an expose on the snoring habits of the co-host Hilary Barry.
    It was boring.
    
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    August 20, 2019 2:23pm
- Jules99
  
  Perhaps we should be more like Venezuela – free petrol!!! Problem is, it’s quite hard to find a station that actually has any. Free public transport! Because the government can’t afford to pay ticketing staff so now you can just walk through the gates.
  
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  August 20, 2019 2:05pm
Brian McDonald

Watched Goff v Tamihere last night. To my surprise Goff came across better prepared and with a slicker and better researched presentation. He claimed spending was down, rates rises at a minimum and that bringing more traffic into the CBD is crazy, I have to agree with the last one. Doubt that John can get out from under that heal somehow now, especially feeding more lanes from the Shore into the city deadlock and being on both sides of the Ihumatao argument.
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August 20, 2019 1:50pm
- sooty
  
  Why would you go in to the cbd in ak anymore?
  Do they have shops there?
  I have not been there since the farmers left!
  Been shopping in the malls.
  
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  August 20, 2019 2:02pm
  - Brian McDonald
    
    Not for shopping, but a big work force anyway.
    
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    August 20, 2019 3:47pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Yeah, Auckland Rate Payers are really really concerned about Ihumatao…
  
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  August 20, 2019 3:12pm
srylands

Would it not be best to stay silent? The last two years of pleading for special treatment has just made things worse. And it could get much worse still.

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/6335202/australia-is-deporting-a-lot-of-kiwis-and-their-high-commissioner-is-worried-its-about-to-get-worse/?cs=14350

“She urged the government to revert to the pre-2014 rules.

“If that is not possible we would like special consideration of New Zealanders living in Australia, because of the relationship, it is not like any other relationship,” Dame Annette said.”
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August 20, 2019 1:59pm
Nostradamus

How the Hong Kong-China protest is playing out in Australia:

Fake Chinese police cars spotted in Perth and Adelaide amid pro-Hong Kong rallies

Authorities are investigating after fake Chinese police cars were spotted in Adelaide and Perth amid pro-Hong Kong demonstrations across Australia, but the owner of one of the cars has told police it was a “joke”.

There’s not enough information to say whether the separate incidents in Adelaide and Perth are related, but they occurred around the same time, and it seems unlikely that two people independently came up with the same idea.

Pro-China death threats directed at Hong Kong protesters guarded by university security

A death threat directed at pro-Hong Kong protesters was protected by security guards for several days after being posted in the main foyer of a Sydney university. … The offensive materials were brought to the ABC’s attention by a source inside UTS who wished to remain anonymous. “My concern is that a small number of students are getting themselves so wound up with their nationalism that may be crossing the line and doing things which are illegal in Australia,” they said. “Some may not be aware of what they are doing, maybe some are aware but don’t care.”

This comes on the back off violent protests at a Queensland university campus, in Melbourne CBD, and last weekend in an Adelaide shopping mall. I hope the authorities throw the book at people responsible for the death threats, and if they’re in Australia on a non-resident visa, that they’re told to f**k off home.
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August 20, 2019 2:22pm
- kowtow
  
  “if they’re in Australia on a non-resident visa, that they’re told to f**k off home.”
  
  “Multiculturalism” demands we treat all cultures equally. Even if they are communists who seek to change the way we do things in the west //
  
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  August 20, 2019 4:34pm
rangitoto

I don’t know why the Don promises not to do this. Looks good to me.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECXzFuBXkAc0Dbf?format=jpg&name=small
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August 20, 2019 2:33pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Excellent! Now all of the flakey leftie hypocrites will have somewhere warm to stay – with good food, a bar and a spa pool. What’s that? Carbon footprint? That’s for us peasants, not the Green elite
  
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  August 20, 2019 3:27pm
Straight arrow

On topic of “most open, most transparent Government that New Zealand has ever had”…

Briefing to the incoming Minister re Social Investment Agency:
Amy Adams (Feb 2017): pro-actively released.
Carmel Sepuloni (Oct 2017) Released under an Official Information Act request.
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August 20, 2019 2:43pm
septic skeptic

Why on earth do National buy into this absurd idea of treating Tarrant like Voldemort?
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August 20, 2019 2:55pm
- Batman
  
  Minimise him, minimise his cause.
  
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  August 20, 2019 2:59pm
  - The King
    
    Great plan Harry, Expelliarmus!
    
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    August 20, 2019 3:18pm
  - septic skeptic
    
    Two problems as I see it. Firstly it gives him special status and therefore adds to the notoriety and mystique. We have no problem naming Weatherston who is just as contemptible a character as Tarrant.
    Secondly, it makes conversations about him so much more awkward if people are going to refer to Tarrant as “the prisoner in Mt Eden being held for the Christchurch shootings”.
    
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    August 20, 2019 4:32pm
Nostradamus

Threat to kill alleged over $10,000 bet that the Earth is flat

A $10,000 bet between two Queenstown men over whether the Earth is flat or round resulted in one being charged with threatening to kill the other.
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Defence counsel Kieran Tohill said Lanz was ”adamant” his world view – expressed widely on social media – was correct. He referred to a post Lanz made in July, saying the Earth was a ”spheroid water-filled round body”, indicating Lanz had now changed his view. However, Lanz said that was a GIF designed to show ”how ridiculous the idea of a floating water ball is”. Among his beliefs were that Nasa was a conspiracy to ”hoodwink” people, Albert Einstein was used for the same purpose, and the New Zealand Government was involved in the Christchurch mosque shootings, Tohill said.

Note to self: never make a financial bet with a nutter!
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August 20, 2019 2:56pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Lordy…
  
  “In the real world your statements have consequences … as opposed to the fringe world that you live in on the internet.
  
  “There are no consequences.
  
  “You can say whatever you want.
  
  Ain’t that the truth?
  
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  August 20, 2019 3:09pm
- The King
  
  “floating water ball”
  
  hahaha.
  
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  August 20, 2019 3:24pm
MCos

Headline from English language news outlet in Thailand
“Train derails going south – parts of the track found at second hand shop in Cha-Am”
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August 20, 2019 3:02pm
Maggy Wassilieff

How puerile is this type of behaviour from a Democratic Senator?

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2019/08/us-senator-martin-sandoval-apologises-after-photos-show-mock-trump-assassination-at-fundraising-event.html
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August 20, 2019 3:17pm
- The King
  
  I like it, i appreciate the honesty of Diversity Supremacists.
  
  Everyone was bagging on a jew (Dayna Steele) on twitter who said she wishes for White children to be placed in camps starved and molested.
  
  I like her, honesty is a virtue not given the credit it should these days.
  
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  August 20, 2019 3:32pm
  - Jack5
    
    Mmmm, The King: Lower case “j” for Jews, and upper case “w” for whites (it’s just another skin colour).
    
    You’re not Kea reborn, you? ?
    
    Leaving capitalisation aside for a minute, it seems that it’s accurate to say: “whites and other coloured people”, and to draw a line between blacks and non-blacks.
    
    This is because scientists will likely tell you that white is a colour, but black is not a colour. So NZ is almost a totally “coloured” country with a “coloured” prime minister and a totally “coloured” legislature.
    
    “The King” is also a coloured man -white coloured but “coloured”. ?
    
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    August 20, 2019 4:57pm
    - sooty
      
      Not sure but he’s certainly jumping around all over the place!
      
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      August 20, 2019 5:30pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggy, many Dems are at their wits end because everything they get behind turns to shit. Their latest is to go ‘economy hypochondriac’, trying to talk the economy into recession. They are the lowest of the low.
  
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  August 20, 2019 3:34pm
Shut the hell up you Fascist!

Don’t tell Greta!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/115104544/frosty-starts-as-marlboroughs-winter-winds-back-the-years
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August 20, 2019 3:18pm
Lance

Just having a laugh on YouTube.
It turns out that because most robots are white that this is racism.
FFS
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/08/01/tech/robot-racism-scn-trnd/index.html
https://observer.com/2019/08/robot-racial-bias-study/

edit:
Ahhh I just read it was based on an NZ study!!!!!
I should have known
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August 20, 2019 3:28pm
- Batman
  
  Lance it is the reverse of what you’re saying. People are instinctively biased against groups that don’t look like them, as we are with humans.
  
  A slightly uncomfortable truth if we’re all honest with ourselves
  
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  August 20, 2019 3:34pm
- Inandout
  
  And the hyenas in ‘Lion King’ are dark grey, that is unacceptable.
  
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  August 20, 2019 3:39pm
Maggie Pie

Does anyone here know whats happened to Tamati Coffee?
Haven’t seen him asking patsy questions in the House for weeks.
My partner thort he may still be on maternity leave 🙁
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August 20, 2019 3:49pm
- chaos
  
  He is sulking at being the only weatherman not on celebrity treasure island
  
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  August 20, 2019 3:55pm
- Nostradamus
  
  From his Twitter feed:
  
  Tāmati Coffey
  @tamaticoffey
  
  Aug 1
  anyone in wellington do nappy cakes? not just the nappies.. #askingforafriend
  
  There’s a weird animated GIF of a little boy in nappies doing a jiggle-dance.
  
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  August 20, 2019 4:08pm
  - secondcumming
    
    @Nostra – WTF??
    
    Not only weird…….somewhat *disturbing* as well.
    
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    August 20, 2019 5:04pm
- stigie
  
  Having watched Sweet Cheeks in parliament today, i have never seen him quite so rattled as he was today over the petrol pricing.
  How brilliant is he with spinning such crap from his mouth that if you asked him what he just said, he wouldn’t have a clue but blame the last government for what’s happening now ?
  Your typical career politician !~
  
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  August 20, 2019 4:12pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Stigie:
    
    Grant has a distinct advantage over anyone else in the Ardern ramshackle government when it comes to petrol pricing – he can ask Alf how much it costs to drive the bus down the road!
    
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    August 20, 2019 4:33pm
    - stigie
      
      Probably the same cost to get it to his back door Nostra..?
      
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      August 20, 2019 5:41pm
  - chaos
    
    I laughed at his line that petrol is cheaper overseas, well yeah but you cannot compare what we pay with what other countries that haven’t got so many taxes on their fuel charge.
    
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    August 20, 2019 4:45pm
    - sooty
      
      He asks Alf all about the money as well?
      
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      August 20, 2019 5:27pm
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    I must admit that they did sound like they had a set of answers scripted and ready to go for today’s questions.
    They might be preparing for something…
    
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    August 20, 2019 8:17pm
waripori

Good analysis from David Chaston at Interest.co on petrol pricing.

https://www.interest.co.nz/opinion/101285/we-call-out-prime-minister-populist-outburst-isnt-backed-facts-petrol-pump-largest

If you cant be bothered reading it in essence ( French for petrol I think ) he says the biggest component of the price increase since Labout got elected has been the weakening of the exchange rate closely followed by tax increases especially in Auckland. The oil company margin has gone down in the last two years.
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August 20, 2019 4:36pm
- sooty
  
  The 52% the government takes does not help the petrol price. She’s lying!
  
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  August 20, 2019 5:25pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Help!!!!

My SC English is failing me here.

It’s worse than deciphering Donne or Shakespeare..

What’s our PM on about?

“On issues like Ihumatoe, the difficult issues, the hard issues, we will be there, we are there in those conversations,” Ardern said.

“I speak directly to myself here. I’ve learned that sometimes, leadership means recognising when you need to create space for others. To let grievance be heard. To hear different ideas. To where these different ideas may compete. But to allow the space of others to find by Māori for Māori. I will be there for those hard conversations. I am there. But I’ll also recognise when the seat at the head of the table isn’t necessarily me.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/08/we-will-be-there-jacinda-ardern-speaks-out-on-ihumatao.html
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August 20, 2019 5:21pm
- Swifty
  
  Fucked if I know.
  
  Absolute waffle, but which will be lapped up by some.
  
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  August 20, 2019 5:25pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Maggy:
  
  You and I aren’t blessed with communication degrees, clearly, so it’s beyond our capability. Jacinda is in a league of her own – no, actually, in a league with Nanaia Mahuta!
  
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  August 20, 2019 5:38pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Oh Grief,…
    there must be something in the Waikato water..
    
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    August 20, 2019 5:58pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      At least I could understand Che Wilson when he was addressing the PM:
      
      “You asked us to keep you to account at Waitangi this year. But every big issue with regard to Māori, it appears that you hide away.
      
      https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/you-hide-away-young-iwi-leader-challenges-ardern-show-courage-again-m-ori-issues
      
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      August 20, 2019 6:18pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Maggy:
        
        Maybe Jacinda has been taking elocution lessons from Claire Curran?
        
        To the best of my recollection, um, ah, ah, I haven’t, um, I haven’t used my, um I’ve answered um OIA, ah, ah, OIA responses and personal, um and parliamentary questions correctly and to the best of my recollection, um, ah, you know, that, that has, that’s what I’ve done.
        
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        August 20, 2019 6:24pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      yep, arsenic, unless treated it’s above safe levels for human consumption.
      
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      August 21, 2019 12:41am
- septic skeptic
  
  Nice quote. But I still prefer:
  “Me too must become we too”.
  That was her finest hour. So much more succinct, yet still nobody has a clue what she thought it meant.
  
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  August 20, 2019 6:00pm
- chaos
  
  That’s great she will be there for the hard issues, let’s start with the changing to points for operations meaning less people are getting the operations that they need. That’s a hard one. Let’s start with the cover up within the Labour Party of sexual abuse at youth camps and on the 9th floor, that’s so hard she doesn’t even know it is happening or that complaints were laid to her office over it. She wouldn’t know a difficult issue if she turned up and did her job for once
  
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  August 20, 2019 6:39pm
- alex Masterley
  
  The woman (our PM)has. absolutely. no. idea.
  So much so that it is embarrasing.
  
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  August 20, 2019 7:40pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I assume she (the PM) has written the Ihumatao speech.
    I can’t believe that a professional speech writer had anything to do with it.
    
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    August 20, 2019 7:53pm
Nostradamus

Seeing as we’re moving into the evening shift, and Maggy has brought up clarity of language (or lack of it in Jacinda’s case), it’s worth noting that Kiwiblog commentator Mikenmildagain (who seems to have taken leave of absence) has a way with words:

Stephieboy is “a fuckwitted jelly brain”
Source: Mikenmildagain (2019)

It makes a change from “Kiwiblog’s dumbest commentator”!
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August 20, 2019 5:55pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Ole Smarmy sure does have a way with words!
  My good friend, the hapless Stephie, will no doubt be torn by such an accurate description.
  LOL
  
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  August 20, 2019 8:41pm
Tall Man

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/08/we-will-be-there-jacinda-ardern-speaks-out-on-ihumatao.html

What a load of mindless drivel. The woman is getting worse. Does anyone out tyere have a fucking clue what this drivel means?
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August 20, 2019 6:04pm
- Tall Man
  
  Mods, I’ve reported myself as I posted this at the same time as the above… Are you able to delete it for me?
  
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  August 20, 2019 6:32pm
- bouden
  
  I missed your posting and asked the same question myself. Perhaps, thinking she could achieve a settlement with her pixie dust, she has actually discovered she hasn’t a clue what to do.
  
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  August 20, 2019 8:33pm
gorse

I liked Simon Bridges comment about petrol prices on the news when he said “the fleecer in chief was Jacinda Adern”.
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August 20, 2019 6:20pm
Hugh Pavletich

The world’s largest new container ship MSC GULSUN arrives in Europe …

World’s biggest cargo ship – longer than 36 buses – arrives in Europe … UK Telegraph (behind paywall)

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/08/19/worlds-biggest-cargo-ship-longer-36-buses-arrives-europe/

The latest giant of the seas, the MSC Gülsün, has docked in Europe after its first voyage from northern China set a record for container ships.

The 400 metre (1,312ft) vessel is longer than 36 London buses and can transport 23,576 standard 20ft long shipping containers – known as “TEUs” (Twenty Foot Equivalent units).

According to owner MSC Mediterranean Shipping, that means the ship can transport 8.35m microwave ovens, 223m bananas or 386m pairs of shoes in a single load.

To carry the equivalent cargo load by road would require 14,000 lorries or 1,350 Jumbo jets. … read more via hyperlink above …
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… with leading environmental innovations and advancements …

World’s largest container ship completes first voyage from Asia to Europe … American Journal of Transportation

https://www.ajot.com/news/worlds-largest-container-ship-completes-first-voyage-from-asia-to-europe

Google NZ Search ‘msc gulsun’

https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=A4ZbXbbLOpuA9QOM-KfADQ&q=msc+gulsun&oq=msc+gulsun&gs_l=psy-ab.12..
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The great American transportation entrepreneur Malcom McLean (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcom_McLean ) got the modern container industry underway in 1956 ( only about 63 years ago) … dropping costs from what had been $6 per ton with break bulk cargo handling to 16 cents … or just 2.66% of former costs … turbocharging the modern and increasingly prosperous world we know today ! …

The Power of Outsiders – Video – NYTimes.com

https://www.nytimes.com/video/business/100000004807604/the-power-of-outsiders.html
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August 20, 2019 6:49pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  I understand that the Port of Tauranga is the only NZ port that can take that ship; and that there are no ports in Eastern Aussie that can accommodate that ship.
  
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  August 20, 2019 9:16pm
Happychappy

What a dirty bastard Winston Peter’s is, Barry Soper saying give him Paula Bennett’s scalp and he will withdraw his case on the Pension leek.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12260304
Peter is the the scourge of NZ Politics and hopefully National will tell him to get stuffed and go the whole way.
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August 20, 2019 6:52pm
- Bill felt
  
  I expect Paula to hand in her resignation tomorrow! NOT!
  
  Peters has no case, no evidence and undertook a backroom attack on National while presenting himself as negotiating in good faith. Labour handed over all the baubles to Winston and Winston appointed Cindy as Princess.
  
  My sources say that the case in question has no merit. The evidence of any foul play is weak to non-existent, and the circumstances actually demonstrate good administrative practise. The Nats will laugh it off. Winston cocked up and he is trying to apportion blame to other parties.
  
  Of more concern are some other actual cases of leaked documents in Wgtn that are in legal process and will have their day in court (ironically one of those cases involves a Peters Ministry)
  
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  August 20, 2019 7:49pm
- sooty
  
  National has rolled over!
  No balls!
  Why would you vote for lilly, yellow, belly, gayboys!
  
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  August 20, 2019 8:14pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Another land occupation on the way

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/397122/hapu-ready-to-occupy-mountain-to-stop-cell-phone-tower-construction

Thank goodness spring/summer is on the way.
I don’t feel happy about our tamariki out in cold, wet weather with nothing but a ponga frond for cover.
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August 20, 2019 7:33pm
- Nostradamus
  
  “We have many ana up on that maunga which have bones of our tūpuna sealed in there. We are willing to fully occupy the land, [and] we are willing to be arrested, so that it is left in all its glory for all of our next generations to come.”
  
  It sounds like they’re not opposed to the cell tower. They’re just negotiating an acceptable amount of koha!
  
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  August 20, 2019 7:58pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Yes, it all needs deciphering doesn’t it?
    
    Thank goodness someone in their hapu speaks plainly:
    “When you see cows crapping on there, is that wāhi tapu?
    
    That clarifies the matter.
    
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    August 20, 2019 9:03pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Now how are the Iwi/Hapu going to help this chap reform himself in prison when he ripped them off and they don’t want anything to do with him?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/news/115143581/former-taranaki-cop-jailed-for-fleecing-nearly-500000-from-hap-stalling-marae-plans
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August 20, 2019 8:02pm
- sooty
  
  500 thou stolen, buy back 75 thou out in nine months,
  What would he get in Kelvins new maori justice!
  
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  August 20, 2019 8:10pm
bouden

Can somebody please tell me what Cindy means by the following …

“On issues like Ihumatoe, the difficult issues, the hard issues, we will be there, we are there in those conversations,” Ardern said.
“I speak directly to myself here. I’ve learned that sometimes, leadership means recognising when you need to create space for others. To let grievance be heard. To hear different ideas. To where these different ideas may compete. But to allow the space of others to find by Māori for Māori. I will be there for those hard conversations. I am there. But I’ll also recognise when the seat at the head of the table isn’t necessarily me.
“Those conversations I know will continue. I know we will continue to have leadership by Kiingitanga as we have always had and you can guarantee that we will work there alongside, that we will bind together, that we will hold fast, that we will hold firm.”

Can I read between the lines — I have stuck my nose in here, and now discovered I have no idea what to do. Perhaps I should just put a sock in it?
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August 20, 2019 8:05pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Or maybe I could just go ‘um, aah, ooh, ummm, ahhh.’
  
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  August 20, 2019 9:33pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  We pay her half a million dollars/year to produce this rubbish.
  
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  August 20, 2019 9:39pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Cindy’s now calling in the services of Richie Hardcore’s twin brother – Richie Hardcase
  
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  August 20, 2019 10:43pm
rangitoto

Breaking News! Jacinda is going to have a conversation.
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August 20, 2019 9:46pm
Maggy Wassilieff

‘You hide away’: PM Jacinda Ardern challenged during visit to Māori King
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12260353

Our Part-time PM needs to stop hiding away and buckle down to some work.
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August 20, 2019 10:13pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Well, it’s actually because of 9 years of neglect and colonialism…
  
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  August 20, 2019 10:18pm
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    I bet no one’s ever told you that apparently John Key pulled ponytails
    
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    August 20, 2019 10:41pm
Hugh Pavletich

… HONG KONG …

Hong Kong protests: Carrie Lam calls for dialogue with citizens | World news | The Guardian

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/20/carrie-lam-calls-for-dialogue-with-citizens-to-find-way-out-for-hong-kong

Leader says she hopes calm will now be restored, but protesters dismiss offer as trap.

Hong Kong’s embattled leader, Carrie Lam, has said she will “immediately” set up a platform for dialogue with citizens and tackle complaints against the police, after a weekend of peaceful protests that she hoped would be the start of a return to calm in the financial hub. Her offer was dismissed by activists as “a trap”, however.

“Work will start immediately to build a platform of dialogue,” Lam said. “We hope this dialogue can be built upon a basis of mutual understanding and respect to find a way out for Hong Kong.” … read more via hyperlink above …
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