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Happy World Helicopter Day!
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August 19, 2019 8:02am
- Brian Marshall
  
  Thank you. Today I identify as an attack copter….
  
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  August 19, 2019 8:04am
  - MickMac
    
    AH64 for me
    
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    August 19, 2019 12:27pm
    - Nermal
      
      BRRRRRRRT. A10. I got wings
      
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      August 19, 2019 3:28pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Who are you and what have you done with Milky?
  
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  August 19, 2019 8:20am
- Straight arrow
  
  “I identify as an attack helicopter”
  For those unaware, popular meme taking … out of gender identification.
  
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  August 19, 2019 8:38am
  - Brian Marshall
    
    “I’m an attack helicopter, it’s attack helicopter”.
    
    My daughter had a brain washing/Gender bending session at her school where she was the only person who put up their hand when asked if they had heard of that meme? She told me she felt a bit bullied by them. She is using that brain of hers to think for herself now, so I’m doing at least one thing right as a father.
    
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    August 19, 2019 8:55am
    - igm
      
      I have a granddaughter who has been brainwashed regarding global warming, acceptance of poofs, acceptance of Islam, dislike of US, etc, etc. Our son has terrible disagreements with her and I can no longer be bothered engaging with her on many topics.
      
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      August 19, 2019 9:40am
      - kowtow
        
        Classical Marxist theory was conflict , class conflict. That didn’t get them the revolution in the west that they wanted . It did happen in Russia under the despised “lumpenproletariat” , see even in classical Marxism some animals were more equal than others , but I digress. In the west the neo Marxists have had to change tactics but are still creating conflict , but now it is intergenerational conflict( as well as other “classes” such as race and gender , and they seem to be making a lot of head way. No shortage of “conservative” politicians who have unwittingly , one hopes it’s unwitting anyway, bought into the agenda.
        
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        August 19, 2019 10:01am
      - sooty
        
        I want to be one of those old school helicopter with the big glass bubble on the front and no doors on!
        
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        August 19, 2019 10:14am
      - kloyd0306
        
        Can only assume that the goat lover downticked.
        
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        August 19, 2019 10:34am
      - Lance
        
        @sooty
        And under powered (piston engine), climbs like a granny on Mogadon and has to avoid strong winds. Ah the good old days.
        
        Nope, twin turbine for me.
        
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        August 19, 2019 11:16am
      - MickMac
        
        IGM
        WE have a number of friends like that and it is tiring to engage with them. as they are so right and the rest of us are wanting and wasting resources and killing the planet.
        
        I take great delight in sending some of the links people post here to them.
        
        to encourage discussion of course.
        
        Like these.
        https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/opinion-post/climate-science-meets-reality-at-the-waters-edge/
        
        https://townhall.com/columnists/dennisprager/2019/08/13/meanwhile-this-is-what-lgbtq-organizations-are-doing-to-society-n2551561https://
        
        http://www.nzcpr.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Global-Warming-Dr-David-Kear.pdf
        
        https://quadrant.org.au/magazine/2019/07/the-lethal-corruption-of-euthanasia/
        
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        August 19, 2019 12:34pm
- alloytoo
  
  Helo
  
  I’m Chinook that you were onto Whirlybird day Chop Chop.
  
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  August 19, 2019 8:52am
  - Straight arrow
    
    A Chinook has dual rotors that spin both ways.
    
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    August 19, 2019 9:43am
    - alloytoo
      
      I am indeed a liberal conservative.
      
      but not a conservative liberal.
      
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      August 19, 2019 10:11am
    - sooty
      
      A bisexual helicopter?
      
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      August 19, 2019 10:15am
- Bell-47
  
  I literally identify as a Bell-47 🙂
  
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  August 19, 2019 9:21am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Stephie identifies as a bell end but is in denial
    
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    August 19, 2019 10:24am
  - toby1845
    
    I’m a female helicopter.
    
    My name is Sioux.
    
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    August 19, 2019 10:32am
- stoptheboats
  
  quick save the planet!
  
  Black ice warning as temperature falls below zero
  
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  August 19, 2019 12:22pm
Greg Ettridge

There will be a stampede to the new car dealers around the Pacific today, SUV’s all round, thanks Jacinda for putting the blow torch on the Aussies, half a Billion is some gravy to throw in the trough.
How many will buy the Cindy option, Electric.
I bet you can count the electric cars on your left hand.
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August 19, 2019 8:04am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  In most countries, electric cars are coal-powered cars.
  
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  August 19, 2019 8:21am
  - alloytoo
    
    in France they’re 70% nuclear….if you could bring yourself to drive a French car…..
    
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    August 19, 2019 8:54am
    - srylands
      
      The French do a lot of stupid things but they got nuclear power right. Fuck knows why Australia doesn’t do it.
      
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      August 19, 2019 9:19am
      - sooty
        
        Because they have lots of coal!
        
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        August 19, 2019 10:16am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Fuck knows why NZ does not do it, and we have coal too.
        Wait, that’s not going to work with the socialists here
        
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        August 19, 2019 4:56pm
    - Ed Snack
      
      Interestingly enough, the brand identified by user surveys (in Europe) as the most reliable in (I think) 2018 – Peugeot. And if that isn’t a surprise then you obviously never owned a 2000’s era Peugeot…
      
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      August 19, 2019 9:39am
      - alloytoo
        
        They made damn fine cars in the 60’s and 70’s
        
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        August 19, 2019 10:11am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    In the Pacific they are diesel powered!
    
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    August 19, 2019 11:10am
- skyblue
  
  Only if the hand has no fingers. Will be nada.
  
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  August 19, 2019 8:26am
AgainstTheFlow

Labour’s prison reform strategy – Hokai Rangi – has been announced:
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/396988/hokai-rangi-the-plan-to-reduce-maori-in-prison-from-52-percent-to-16

The key point was that Māori would be co-designing the Corrections system alongside the department, in a Treaty of Waitangi partnership, Mr Davis said.

“We need to listen to how Māori think we need to be running Corrections and do that in tandem with Māori. Our people make up the majority of those in prison and that’s gotta stop.
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August 19, 2019 8:07am
- herb1
  
  Yes Kelvin , its got to stop. Until you stop making excuses for Maori crime , it won’t
  
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  August 19, 2019 8:50am
  - alloytoo
    
    Isn’t Maori crime technically a treaty violation?
    
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    August 19, 2019 9:12am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  They want to install a two-tier racist criminal justice system. And it is comically doomed to failure, any intitiative to reduce incarceration is going to (rather comically given their agenda) increase the incarceration disparity, because they do not understand or refuse to acknowledge the statistical underpinnings of criminality:
  http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/prison.htm
  
  Criminality ( like intelligence) the combined result of a large number of genetic and cultural factors, can demonstrably be shown to follow a bell curve. Likewise it can be demonstrated that there is a population difference and mean and standard deviation between different ethnicities and cultures in criminality.
  
  In NZ Asians are better than pakeha, polynesians a bit worse, Maori a lot worse. As a result any such Feelz-driven initiative is absolutely doomed to failure until you figure out how to reduce the criminality of those involved Unless you are utterly racist in applying prison punishments to whites at several times the ‘colourblind’ rate.
  
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  August 19, 2019 9:01am
  - Brian McDonald
    
    That’s not a peer reviewed paper you linked. Something dealing with NZ would be helpful and for that we have the Gluckman report prepared under the last Government. Your link for whatever it is worth does however make the following proposal which supports the initiative: 1. Each racial group has its own characteristic, geography-invariant distribution of criminality.
    
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    August 19, 2019 9:39am
    - David Garrett
      
      So, you are a bit on an expert on penal policy and practice are you Brian?
      
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      August 19, 2019 10:01am
    - MickMac
      
      Surely Brian, each area has it’s own geographic variable as to crimes, criminality and offenders
      
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      August 19, 2019 12:37pm
  - Prince
    
    The ‘report’ ((enthusiastic advert) for this program this morning, from RNZ ‘reporter’ Leigh-Marama McLachlan, was sickening.
    Aparrently Corrections have never before had a Maori-focus in their operations. I’m sure Governments since 1970 would dispute that but Leigh-Marama never questioned the press release.
    Also, what happens in those cases where prisoners whanau and friends are, eg, gang members and drug dealers. Again, silence.
    
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    August 19, 2019 11:57am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  How about maori modify their behavior to conform with societal norms, forget that they think they have a ‘warrior gene’, embrace everything that colonisation has rewarded them with, fiofo and, get on with the life that have rather than the life they feel they are entitled to.
  
  This is not all maori, but the scrotes I write this about, know who they are.
  
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  August 19, 2019 9:03am
- Classic Liberal
  
  This is *huge*: more respect for prisoners.
  
  Prisoners (presumably incl. rapists and murderes and dangerous assaulters?) are to be treated with ‘respect’. Their mana is to be upheld. There will be more kaupapa maori for Maori prisoners. More visitors.
  
  The aim is stated (Red Radio item) as bringing the Maori prison population down from 52% (?) to 16%, to reflect the general population numbers.
  
  The item said very little about reducing offending. And absolutely *nothing* about why these people are in prison. In NZ you have to commit some very serious crimes to be in prison at all.
  
  Red Radio news was really focused on those percentages.
  
  Hey, that could also be achieved by raising the non-Maori prison population.
  
  Also, nothing about education and career training. That would be the only thing for prisoners I would consider useful for reducing re-offending. Not some false, slimy ‘respect’ for people who have raped, assaulted and murdered.
  
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  August 19, 2019 9:06am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Red Radio is seeking equality of outcomes. This is an authoritarian hallmark.
    
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    August 19, 2019 9:19am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    The whole implication of what Davis is saying is that Corrections staff have not been treating Prisoners with respect or care.
    
    The strategy states prison staff will be expected to treat prisoners with respect and uphold their mana – like they are worthy of dignity and care.
    
    That seems a hell of a slap in the face of dedicated staff who, in the main, bend over backwards to humanise some of our villains.
    
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/396988/hokai-rangi-the-plan-to-reduce-maori-in-prison-from-52-percent-to-16
    
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    August 19, 2019 9:23am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      “like they are worthy of dignity and care.”
      
      But see the ‘like’ in that sentence. I.e. ‘as if they were worthy’. What ‘dignity’ can a rapist or murderer be worthy of?
      
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      August 19, 2019 9:31am
    - Brian McDonald
      
      It’s the same as the Scandi models, but with the variation that there is nothing said about non Maori that I can see.
      
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      August 19, 2019 9:43am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        But as I posted a couple of weeks ago..
        The Scandinavian Prison system (specifically the Norwegian) employs only highly qualified staff –
        They graduate from a 2year course….not as here, 6mo-12mo training)
        
        https://www.kriminalomsorgen.no/information-in-english.265199.no.html
        
        Norway provides a wide variety of courses for its prisoners, all aimed at turning out a productive citizen.
        How Norway turns criminals into good neighbours
        https://www.bbc.com/news/stories-48885846
        
        I can’t see anything in Hokai rangi to show how the new model of incarceration differs in training/upskilling/rehabilitating each offender from what is currently taking place.
        
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        August 19, 2019 2:13pm
    - stephieboy
      
      MW, not at all. It is a focussed effort to try and significantly Maori inmates with the input of local iwi and associated support services.
      
      Purely punitive measures simply don’t work.
      
      How do you deduce that it is a slap in the face towards existing dedicated corrections staff is quite beyond me. Any positive initiatives by them will obviously be complemented by this new one!
      
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      August 19, 2019 12:09pm
      - Liberty
        
        “Purely punitive measures simply don’t work.”
        Wrong works 100%
        The low life is off the street.
        
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        August 19, 2019 1:02pm
      - Paulus
        
        Don’t you have to have committed a punishable crime (or many) to go to Prison ?
        
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        August 19, 2019 1:42pm
  - Tempist
    
    Perhaps they could also focus on the extreme gender bias in incarceration rates; let’s bring the male prison population down to the appropriate proportion (ca. 50%)….
    
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    August 19, 2019 9:53am
    - alloytoo
      
      Well you could also raise the female prison population level to match that of the male.
      
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      August 19, 2019 10:33am
  - stephen2d
    
    Simple, for every criminal that identifies as Maori and ends in prison, arrest 4 whiteys mo-fo’s and there will be your rebalancing on % points.
    
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    August 19, 2019 10:48am
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    Are they saying that the 15th March 2019 dickwit is to be treated with respect?
    If so, then that is ridiculous.
    
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    August 19, 2019 3:57pm
- Straight arrow
  
  A major flaw in the plan is the focus on re-connecting individuals with their whānau, hapū, and iwi, once out of prison. As hapu and iwi are based on regions, would this mean encouraging a person of one iwi (eg Tainui) to move to Waikato? Or would non-local iwi would be encouraged to provide support services inside another iwi’s territory? Not sure local iwi would like other iwi setting up camp on their patch. Is it culturally appropriate that one iwi’s marae is used by another iwi for their members?
  
  Indeed, within prison, which iwi’s cultural practices and values will have precedence, or will this be regional based?
  
  For all the jargon in the document, these issues do not seem to have been addressed.
  
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  August 19, 2019 10:52am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    I think this is an important point. Iwi leaders want to cement in Iwi leadership, which is , as you say regionally based.
    
    Most Maori, and in particular must poor urban Maori have lost contact with their Iwi identity (assuming the family weren’t descended from slaves that is).
    
    A further exhibit is the current land protest. The iwi concerned support the deal. Renta Maori Mob inc does not. So what value do we place on the mana of tangata whenau here?
    
    So how does supporting a historic, superceded and failed social and organisational structure actually affect the lives of poor urban criminals?
    
    Not sure that it can.
    
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    August 19, 2019 11:15am
- Straight arrow
  
  And if the structure is going to be implemented in a non-biased way, how will it apply to non-Maori?
  
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  August 19, 2019 11:01am
- Straight arrow
  
  For those interested in the official document
  http://img.scoop.co.nz/media/pdfs/1908/Hokai_Rangi__Ara_Poutama_Aotearoa_Strategy.pdf
  
  The report starts from the position that it is a Maori issue, consults on that basis, then comes to a Maori-based solution.
  
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  August 19, 2019 4:31pm
Happychappy

Will this be the begging of the end of the Coalition or will Winston step in and cose the discussion down.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/396902/treaty-expert-on-ihumatao-battle-crown-playing-dictator-of-iwi
If the give in to the protesters in the battle for Ihumatoa it will be a step to far for NZer’s and the Coalition will suffer at the next Election.
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August 19, 2019 8:07am
- sooty
  
  Will it collapse the COL and mean an early election,
  
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  August 19, 2019 9:01am
Maggie Pie

Peking around the 15-foot-high solid oak front door, Prince Andrew gives a nod and a cherry wave to the pretty blonde as she leaves Jeffrey Epstein’s Manhatten mansion –
see full vid here 🙂

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7367511/Prince-Andrew-pictured-inside-paedophile-Jeffrey-Epsteins-63million-mansion-depravity.html
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August 19, 2019 8:08am
- Jack5
  
  The Duke of Dork won’t dare visit America again.?
  
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  August 19, 2019 10:50am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  I think it was the teenage brunette that he was seeing off (as it were). Randy Andy eh….. very naughty boy, boffing teenagers not really a terribly good look in certain circles.
  
  Fortunately aristocracy has always been somewhat depraved, so the poor look is getting caught hanging out with parvenu’s like Epstein.
  
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  August 19, 2019 11:17am
- Greg Ettridge
  
  Maggie
  You have to give it to the Daily Mail, they really do dig the dirt.
  The Queen will be having a really hard time countering this onslaught this week.
  Here is hoping they take on the Roman Hands and russian fingers in the beehive, it would be open and transparent.
  UK has lost alot of freedoms, but freedom of the press is alive and well.
  
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  August 19, 2019 12:13pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Gawd YES Greg, the ‘Daily Mail’ is NOT afraid to dig the dirt as you say 🙂
    And dont you love how they are always getting stuck into poor old Katie Price? What a hoot!!
    And speaking of the royal family, heres yet another little titbit i knew nothing about until an hour ago…
    
    https://twitter.com/DailyMailUK/status/1163170742680412160
    
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    August 19, 2019 1:23pm
- Jules99
  
  If it is only teens (she was 17 at the time – legal in the UK) then no one’s bothered. The suggestion is though that the real crime, not released yet is far, far younger. If he’s involved in that, then he’s history. I was interested to see the pedo allegations regarding Lord Mountbatten in the DM linked above.
  
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  August 19, 2019 2:23pm
  - Batman
    
    The Epstein investigation covers girls from 13 and up, as per the indictments.
    
    While still obviously gross and evil, it’s not “far, far younger”
    
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    August 19, 2019 2:42pm
Paulus Gnome

Has the illegal land occupation at Ihumatao been resolved?

Too cold and wet to get the warm fuzzies with TV pictures of 8 year olds being maori traffic wardens telling us he stays there to 10 o’clock at night?

Leaves me wondering why maori need special dispensation for entry into university courses, reaffirming to me that poor parenting choices hat allow this sort of crap, are a factor.

Why does Pania Newton think it alright that she has a legal qualification, or whatever level she attained, while little Wirimu stands on the rain swept barricades in the middle of winter for her illegal cause?

Why does Ms Newon disadvantage maori by denying this little brave brown battler the same opportunity that she herself enjoyed?

The brown bro’ pulling up the ladder on another brown bro’. Colour me surprised!

Is this the same spurious argument put forward by the leftards about Paula Bennet?
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August 19, 2019 8:10am
- Jules99
  
  A successful Maori business man said to me recently, it’s a power grab by elite Maori. They care nothing for those at the bottom.
  
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  August 19, 2019 9:02am
Yvette

Mr Goff is also promising to start the electrification of the city’s public transport fleet, and said that from next year the council will only purchase hybrid or electric vehicles.

At what point is Goff, the Government, particularly the Greens, Winston for his part in banning natural gas exploration, or anyone else, going to explain where extra electricity is going to come from, since it is estimated if 10% of the present New Zealand fossil-fuelled vehicular fleet is replaced by electric equivalents, a new output just over 3.25 times the Benmore Dam will be required?
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August 19, 2019 8:15am
- hullkiwi
  
  That is already Auckland Transport policy. That is no promise.
  
  Goff has already signed up to an international programme called C40.
  
  Forty international cities have signed up go make all their city’s public transport electric by 2040.
  
  Only problem, Goff hasn’t been very public about this. It is a policy as well thought out as Cindy’s CGT. There are some key problems, being:
  1. Goff doesn’t have the money to help buy the 1,500 to 1,600 buses needed.
  2. Auckland’s & New Zealand’s electricity system needs an overhaul to supply the required levels of electricity;
  3. Problem of what to do with the battery sets, which will be replaced up to twice during the life of a bus; and
  4. What do you do with a 20 year old electric bus when it has reached its disposal date. I can really see people signing up to buy old buses they can’t plug into a wall socket at home, not!
  
  If, this is the extent of his election promises, either he and his team are exceedingly stupid, or they think the sheeple of Auckland are exceedingly stupid!
  
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  August 19, 2019 9:14am
  - alloytoo
    
    If, this is the extent of his election promises, either he and his team are exceedingly stupid, or they think the sheeple of Auckland are exceedingly stupid!
    
    Both I suspect.
    
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    August 19, 2019 9:25am
    - Happychappy
      
      Tell me a Politician that doesn’t think like that, everyone goes on about David Seymour and what he calls for but you look in the end he sold his sole to Winston’s referendum to make sure he had a double chance for his bill to pass. What you haven’t seen yet is the wording of the referendums that only the Coalition will know leading up to the next Election.
      
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      August 19, 2019 9:59am
  - Kevin Herlihy
    
    Auckland rate payers would have to finance the conversion from diesel to electric for public transport and that would involve a 5 fold increase in the transport levy. Surely a vote losing option if pursued.
    
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    August 19, 2019 9:52am
Monique Watson

Happy World Honey Bee day. Enjoy a CBD honey bee stick to celebrate.
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August 19, 2019 8:18am
hullkiwi

Kelvin and friends today will be releasing a major policy statement on how they are planning to cut the number of Maori in prison. In a document that is “co-written” there is a great deal of talk about restoring mana, but not much about how they will stop Maori committing the serious crimes, the ones for which people are sent to prison. So, itll be more of the same, we need a different system for Maori.
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August 19, 2019 8:20am
- AgainstTheFlow
  
  What Labour/Greens never really cotton on to is that crime blights the lives of the poor far more than the wealthy.
  That’s because the criminals, especially the most violent, live amongst the poor.
  
  So Labour betrays its core voters when it fails on policing and criminal justice.
  
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  August 19, 2019 9:23am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    exactly, they live among and prey upon their own. Its only when it breaks out into middle class suburbia that the calls for action occur.
    
    Graeme Greene had a line about some people not belonging to the torturable class.
    
    Poor brown women are raped and beaten every day.
    
    Poor brown kids are beaten and starved every day.
    
    It only hits the media if the wrong class of victim is involved, or they actually kill someone, and these days, you have to be particularly brutal to achieve cut-through. Giving the missus the bash is just another Saturday night in poor ville.
    
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    August 19, 2019 11:20am
- tf78
  
  hullkiwi do you think the ‘special treatment facilities’ might carry out lobotomies?
  
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  August 19, 2019 9:36am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Will nurse Ratched be bought out of retirement?
    
    Will only tanaga whenua be allowed to perform this on their own? Will the procedure be completed using the colonisers medical tools or will we resorting to traditional methods i.e. hitting the receiptiant in the face with a rock?
    
    All these questions Kelvin.
    
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    August 19, 2019 10:38am
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      Ah, traditional restorative justice.
      
      I’ll fire up the hangi pit.
      
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      August 19, 2019 11:21am
- Sacha
  
  Talking to the people already in prison is like shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted.
  They need to be talking to the mothers about their duty to prevent their kids becoming criminals; their responsibility in maintaining the mana of the Maori people and culture. They need to be staunch and let the women know that they are indeed the hands that rock the cradle, that they are expected to do so, and their success and mana will be judged by the results.
  For a start, they could stop having kids at random –
  
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  August 19, 2019 10:06am
G152

Electric vehicles would do well in the islands.
Not very far to anywhere and tons of sunshine and time to recharge batteries
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August 19, 2019 8:20am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Not too far to push when the stuff breaks never to be repaired which, in the islands, is never too far away.
  
  Will the lagoon become the default storage area for the batteries that fail when they are ‘deep sixed’ at the end of their lives?
  
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  August 19, 2019 9:09am
- Greg Ettridge
  
  I just see it now all the Pacific leaders driving around in a leaf.
  Maybe they will bring out an island special, a Mercedes G Class full electric drive.
  That would give “mana” whilst saving the planet.
  How many leafs have been sold in fiji, just asking?
  
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  August 19, 2019 11:40am
Paulus

I hear this morning that the Prime Minister of Tuvalu is upset that Australia will not shut down its Coal Mines (supported today by the Labor Party).
He is going to spend round talking to the other Pacific Island nations to suggest that Australia be left out of the Pacific Island Forum (and China invited ?).
Will China give Tuvalu more than the $500,000,000 that Australia is giving them or should Australia tell them to Foxtrot Oscar ?
Our Cindy’s $150,000,000 would help sort out our Health Services too.
See the hypocrisy of Banimarama trying to upstage everybody again by attending again after having previously been dropped out.
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August 19, 2019 8:21am
- Tony Stuart
  
  $150m to the islands to mitigate climate change (and salve the government’s collective conscience) versus $54m to help New Zealand’s homeless. That shows where this government’s priorities lie.
  
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  August 19, 2019 8:47am
  - Piniwi
    
    Pity TS few seem to have noticed that the $150 million is not an additional amount being funded. It is being “ring fenced” within the funding already allocated. The devil is always in the detail so often easy to miss among all the emotive cliche laden verbal deliveries from the SLG.
    
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    August 19, 2019 12:23pm
- Gravelroad
  
  Has the Prime Minister of Tuvalu also told China to shut down its coal mines?
  If not, why not?
  
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  August 19, 2019 9:01am
  - Oskar
    
    Have a look at where the coal fired power stations are – https://www.carbonbrief.org/mapped-worlds-coal-power-plants
    If you slide the slider to 2019 look at where they are being built.
    And from another website
    “Yet China’s overseas ventures include hundreds of electric power plants that burn coal, which is a significant emitter of the carbon scientifically linked to climate change. Edward Cunningham, a specialist on China and its energy markets at Harvard University, tells NPR that China is building or planning more than 300 coal plants in places as widely spread as Turkey, Vietnam, Indonesia, Bangladesh, Egypt and the Philippines.”
    Like it or not those plants will have about a 50 year life and they will all need coal.
    
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    August 19, 2019 10:05am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Did the PM of Tuvalu think the Ozzie $500M came from the money gumtree in Wagga Wagga or something?
  
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  August 19, 2019 9:06am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    He did.
    
    In depth understanding is not an island trait.
    
    Voodoo, ignorance , lazy inaction and chicken feathers are the island way. Oh, and a fourth helping of corned beef cooked in yesterday’s mutton flap fat, or are those ample folk I see in Otara an aberration?
    
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    August 19, 2019 9:13am
    - Tall Man
      
      http://www.tuvaluislands.com/uq/gallery/slides/38_TuvaluanPrimarySchoolKid.html
      
      https://knoema.com/atlas/Tuvalu/Female-obesity-prevalence
      
      Nope.
      
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      August 19, 2019 9:49am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Thanks TM, love your work!
        
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        August 19, 2019 10:40am
    - stephieboy
      
      Paulus Gnome, ‘
      
      “In depth understanding is not an island trait.”
      
      You’ve been there ??
      
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      August 19, 2019 10:41am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        yes
        
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        August 20, 2019 7:08am
  - stephieboy
    
    MW etc , the best proof is experience ,
    
    One day we’ll disappear’: Tuvalu’s sinking islands
    Islands in the Tuvalu archipelago
    
    Rising seas are on the verge of swallowing two of the tiny archipelago’s nine islands, and the encroaching waves haunt locals’ dreams
    
    “..Nausaleta Setani, Frank’s aunt, sleeps beside the lagoon at night in the wooden shack, using a float buoy as a pillow. Initially a non-believer in climate change, like many older people on the island, Setani has slowly become convinced of the science as her daily life becomes tougher with every erratic movement of the sea.
    
    “The weather is changing very quickly, day to day, hour to hour,” says Setani, 54, paradoxically soothed and disturbed by the ocean lapping metres away from her hut.
    
    “I have been learning the things that are happening are the result of man, especially [from] other countries. It makes me sad. But I understand other countries do what is best for their people. I am from a small country. All I want is for the bigger countries to respect us, and think of our lives…”
    
    https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2019/may/16/one-day-disappear-tuvalu-sinking-islands-rising-seas-climate-change
    
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    August 19, 2019 10:40am
    - alloytoo
      
      Is Tuvalu sinking or is the sea rising?
      
      There appears to be very little evidence of the later.
      
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      August 19, 2019 11:04am
    - Greg Ettridge
      
      Stephieboy, it intriques me, are you on YSB?
      I gave this a little thought, I guess you can’t migrate unless you use another “assumed” name. I guess it would be biting off more than you could chew, appears heavy going here sometimes.
      
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      August 19, 2019 11:47am
      - Garbageman
        
        Stephie is welcome after all the site is named after him,but he would have to stop the stalking, porn links, bizarre behavior regarding young girls, personal attacks, childish baiting and general asshattery and actually contribute a half intelligent comment so i dont think we will be seeing him anytime soon, great to see many of the KB crew popping over & sharing the love though
        
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        August 19, 2019 1:37pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Bloody Hell, Greg Ettridge.
        
        I’ve got a stephieboy-free space over on YSB.
        No harassments, no slimy innuendo, no enquiries about my underwear..
        
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        August 19, 2019 3:11pm
      - stephieboy
        
        No harassments, no slimy innuendo ”
        
        Examples?
        
        Or a case of super, super sensitivity?
        
        have you been called a C.., Perv etc, etc?
        
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        August 19, 2019 3:28pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Here you go, stephieboy,
        
        a very recent example of your slimy innuendo.. you posted it only 5 days ago.
        https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/08/general_debate_14_august_2019.html#comment-2539403
        Do you have memory problems?
        
        And the following day someone compiled a list of some of your harassment and abuse to me
        https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/08/general_debate_15_august_2019.html#comment-2539772
        
        Don’t you remember any of that?
        
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        August 19, 2019 5:30pm
      - sooty
        
        Stalker!
        
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        August 19, 2019 6:42pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      The scientific facts are otherwise..
      as shown by Prof Kench
      
      Results highlight a net increase in land area in Tuvalu of 73.5 ha (2.9%), despite sea-level rise, and land area increase in eight of nine atolls. Island change has lacked uniformity with 74% increasing and 27% decreasing in size.
      https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-02954-1
      
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      August 19, 2019 2:21pm
      - stephieboy
        
        A response to Prof Kench’s Nature article merits your attention,
        
        Scottydog • a year ago
        
         Where does the data come from for the stated 3.9mm per annum sea level rise?
        
        Is there any data on the atolls high altitude points?  
        
          Max Goodwin • a year ago
        
         There is some good data here but the conclusion that the measured lateral expansion means that current approaches to climate change resilience engineering are flawed, is simply not born out by the study’s findings. The paper has no evidence or hypothesis (other than general theories, added following a peer review comment) of how or why the sediment has moved. The use of the term “increased sediment volumes” implies new sediment has been added from somewhere; there is no basis or evidence for this in the study. The authors have studied lateral expansion and have presented no data or theory about potential movement of sediment from higher ground to lower ground on the islands. This pathway may be more likely given increasingly extreme weather events due to climate change but is not explored in the paper. Unfortunately for the message of the paper, if this is indeed the pathway, it implies an acceleration of ultimate inundation rather than delaying it as it means the overall level of the islands is reducing. It is therefore disingenuous if not misleading to assert that the islands are more robust as a result.
        
        https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-02954-1
        
          
        
              
        
         
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        August 19, 2019 4:03pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Sleeping on Tuvalu would be hazardous. When you’re less than 3m above msl watch out for ordinary tides. They don’t know they are supposed to stop just because silly humans took up living where the seas went. Spring tides have even more fun bowling over trees, houses and people.
      
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      August 19, 2019 2:22pm
      - Kabull
        
        When I grew up in Chch I was repeatedly told that Cathedral Square was only 6 feet above sea level. I guess it is now a little lower – because the earth sunk.
        
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        August 19, 2019 3:28pm
- srylands
  
  Australia will shut coal mines when the world stops buying coal. Japan is one of the biggest customers. About to embark on a major programme of new coal fired power stations.
  
  Further about 40 percent of Australia’s coal is high quality coking coal for steel production. Seriously, if you asked these politicians. “How is steel made?” you would just get blank stares.
  
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  August 19, 2019 9:26am
- alloytoo
  
  I suspect most Australians would rather like to be rid of the PIF.
  
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  August 19, 2019 9:26am
- tf78
  
  I don’t think China ‘gift’ the money I think it is in the form of cheap loans which will be defaulted on and land taken in return.
  
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  August 19, 2019 9:39am
  - Sacha
    
    As is happening in Africa –
    
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    August 19, 2019 10:10am
    - alloytoo
      
      I suspect the Africans are as ill equipped for dealing with the Chinese as the Chinese will be for dealing with the Africans.
      
      Should make for interesting times.
      
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      August 19, 2019 1:02pm
  - Greg Ettridge
    
    But Cindy tells us there will be no land.
    Beauty of the Chinese they can reverse Climate change, they have been able to create several islands where there were no islands. I am sure if Tuvalu starts going under, they will be able to intervene and keep them afloat for an arrangement that is acceptable to China.
    Scomo gives half a billion no strings attached.
    I am sure the Chinese are just as benevolent.
    
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    August 19, 2019 11:53am
  - Piniwi
    
    No tf78 it is never a gift or in fact is rarely given for to the free spending PI’s to use. But rather to fund Chinese built asset needs for development while reinforcing their presence in the Pacific. Leaving NZ & Australia to fill the global warming trough.
    
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    August 19, 2019 12:43pm
JibberJabber

The next step on the way to the Greens Utopia of having us living in caves and freezing to death in the dark.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/08/construction-industry-s-impact-on-climate-change-highlighted-in-new-report.html

They can do this in two clear ways. Firstly by ensuring there’s a building expert on the Climate Change Commission.

Everyone wants to get their nose in the trough.
Make housing even more expensive than it is now, so no one can afford to build.
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August 19, 2019 8:24am
- Classic Liberal
  
  “having us living in caves and freezing to death in the dark.” Except for ppl renting: landlords must provide fixed heating to adequate capacity (usually heatpump) under the new healthy homes law.
  
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  August 19, 2019 8:53am
  - alloytoo
    
    I’ve slept in a cave with running water, but a heat pump.…..too far.
    
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    August 19, 2019 9:16am
    - sooty
      
      If they can afford to turn them on!
      
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      August 19, 2019 10:23am
artemisia

Mr Faafoi, interviewed today on the wireless, said that most of those targeted by the sustainable tenancies policy are renting in the private sector. And we can assume they are at risk of being turfed out because of tenancy issues, probably rent arrears or damage.

There will be some private landlords / property managers who are willing to engage with social workers to prevent termination of problem tenants. But for many, the extra work and hassle won’t be welcomed. By the time termination is starting to happen a lot of time and effort has usually gone under the bridge, and property managers in particular won’t be keen on even more uncompensated time. Especially when good tenants are queuing at the door.

Landlords of over half of private rentals are property managers. Landlords are not charities.
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August 19, 2019 8:25am
secondcumming

*RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION*

If dogs are put to sleep for attacking children, why aren’t we doing the same to pedophiles?
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August 19, 2019 8:25am
- secondcumming
  
  Hang on – who would downtick that?
  Oh wait…….
  
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  August 19, 2019 9:15am
  - sooty
    
    Labour voters?
    
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    August 19, 2019 10:24am
cmm

Are we already being softened up to see the Raglan murderer (alledged) as a victim?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12259649

” It is understood the parents of the alleged murderer separated some time ago.”

Sounds like he is just misunderstood and needs a good hug.
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August 19, 2019 8:26am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  How did such an unhappy young man get his hands on a firearm? Who gave him his firearms licence?
  
  It is clear that we need stricter gun laws in New Zealand.
  
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  August 19, 2019 8:33am
  - Rocky Jnr
    
    Who said he had a firearms licence?
    
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    August 19, 2019 8:59am
    - sooty
      
      Gang members do not need them!
      
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      August 19, 2019 10:25am
- Inandout
  
  Not exactly another Aussie killer?
  
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  August 19, 2019 8:36am
  - Greg Ettridge
    
    He was an Ozzie killer.
    
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    August 19, 2019 11:56am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  “McKinnon and Buckley had been asleep in their hired camper van in a remote car park south of Raglan, when they were woken by the man asking for help early on Friday morning.”
  
  The Te Toto car park is several km from Raglan. This guy mysteriously shows up late at night (with a firearm) with the stated purpose of stealing a vehicle to get to Hamilton.
  How did he get to such a remote location late at night? Did he walk? Wouldn’t there be more cars (to steal) at Raglan itself?
  The story doesn’t make sense.
  
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  August 19, 2019 9:29am
  - sooty
    
    He was at the party next door with the bros!
    
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    August 19, 2019 10:26am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      That would be one explanation.
      Or he could have been performing a rite of initiation into some kind of anti-social organization.
      
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      August 19, 2019 11:00am
- Sofia
  
  Raglan murder: Accused estranged from “gutless” father – Herald headline
  But just five weeks ago, the alleged killer posted on his father’s Facebook page a message saying “could you imagine someone doing this to there [sic] own son”.
  “A father can’t choose when to be in there sons life when you don’t have the wright to say your opinion on rumours you have heard you were the gutless one who left”.
  
  One wonders if this click-bait does more to pre-inform a potential juror than does just knowing the name of the accused in the Grace Millane case?
  Perhaps Andrew Little could explain the difference.
  
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  August 19, 2019 9:51am
Yvette

Broadcasting –
The pressure on Kris Faafoi was cranked up on Thursday by MediaWorks, the owners of TV channels including Three and half of the nation’s radio stations.

Which comes back to the additional television channel election-promised by Labour but fell over when Clare Curran did the same – after some have suggested she may have said to Ardern, shortly following Clare’s appointment to Minister of Broadcasting, “What do I do about the stale old white males – especially the Silver Fox – at RNZ who oppose this?” and the answer was, it is suggested, like: “Arrange a meeting with Carol Hirschfeld, and see what she thinks” but then everyone knows what happened and no one talks about that anymore.

So Labour planned an extra television channel and no one has ever explained why, what end it would serve, although it might cost about $38 million, and is it still on a back burner somewhere – if such a thing now exists after natural gas was canned?
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August 19, 2019 8:32am
Monique Watson

I’m about to have a mid life birthday. I suggest therapy and mental health as topics:

Therapy
-Expensive
-Years of hard work
-Emotionally draining
-Tough to find

Screaming in the woods
-Free
-Immediate relief
-Scares hunters enough to leave therefore saving innocent animals
-Potential to make friends with people who are also screaming in the woods.
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August 19, 2019 8:33am
- Maggie Pie
  
  What doesn’t kill you gives you a lot of unhealthy coping mechanisms and a really dark sense of humour 🙂
  
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  August 19, 2019 8:43am
- Yvette
  
  Monique, why would you want to make friends with Shane Jones?
  
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  August 19, 2019 8:49am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It’s all downhill now MW…enjoy the slide.
  
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  August 19, 2019 9:10am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    And once you’re over the hill, you get to pick up speed.
    
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    August 19, 2019 3:48pm
- SGA
  
  Screaming in the woods
  
  Might I suggest you wear a high-vis vest 🙂
  
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  August 19, 2019 9:14am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  The big thing for the younger generation at the moment seems to be the “Quarter-life Crisis” at 25.
  
  Did our generation have it easier? Or has it always been a struggle to get ahead in the world?
  
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  August 19, 2019 9:32am
oldpark

They can’t be serious,but they are.I see CNNs or TVNZs or even NZs Red Radios print edition Wellingtons’ Dominion Post have from today increased their price.
Appears fake news or one sided far left propaganda will cost a bit more.
Maybe they are going out of business. Perhaps if they took a leaf out of which news outlets are making money,they might get an epiphany and print both sides of the news. They won’t,as they seem to have a sicko far far left business plan.
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August 19, 2019 8:36am
- Inandout
  
  oldpark, when I bought my Saturday Dom for a week’s fire lighting I did flick through the pages and their content is still left wing. Nothing changes there, except they aren’t selling many copies according to our book shop.
  
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  August 19, 2019 8:49am
  - srylands
    
    All government departments by several copies. I don’t know why. Plus cafes. It is only a matter of time before it dies.
    
    I subscribe to the Australian online. Also the Australian Financial Review although it is a bit expensive. New Zealand will never have newspapers anywhere near that quality. For New Zealand news and analysis it increasingly means blogs. Eric Crampton is good and there are quite a few others.
    
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    August 19, 2019 9:31am
    - Paulus
      
      I am not sure Government Departments and other special actually pay for their newspapers.
      Would unbalance the system !
      
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      August 19, 2019 1:58pm
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Might I suggest you go to your local news outlet and ask them for newspaper for the fire. They’ll be pleased to give you an armful of unsold ones for free.
    
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    August 19, 2019 3:51pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  Newspapers make bugger-all money from subscriptions and casual sales now. The vast bulk of revenue comes from advertising sales.
  
  Unfortunately, advertisers need an assurance of circulation before they decide whether placing advertisements in papers is a sensible investment, and many advertisers are now choosing to spend their money elsewhere. I know our business does very little print advertising now, instead spending a small amount on radio, but increasingly, opting for digital advertising.
  
  Whereas the local rag used to have a monopoly on advertising revenue, there are so many more options now that those controlling advertising budgets are spoiled for choice, and can reach a lot more people for a much smaller spend.
  
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  August 19, 2019 8:56am
  - sooty
    
    Fake news is expensive to make!
    Give them a break!
    
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    August 19, 2019 9:13am
  - Inandout
    
    Tony, it appears the big shed advertisers still opt for the broadsheet Saturday papers, but even they are not consistent like they used to be. I remember when classified situations vacant ran to several pages, and that was where the advertising money lay.
    
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    August 19, 2019 9:26am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      The Saturday paper here used to be full of real estate and used car display advertising; not any more. And as you say, there are so many options now for advertising vacancies, that newspapers no longer have a captive market. Most of our staff advertising now is done through TradeMe Jobs.
      
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      August 19, 2019 9:50am
      - Colville
        
        Realestate advertising in print now is a costly waste.
        Agents still push it tho because its great for their profile even if it does noting for the property.
        
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        August 19, 2019 10:14am
All_on_Red

UK Polling
Westminster voting intention:
CON: 31% (+3)
LAB: 25% (-2)
LDEM: 19% (+1)
BREX: 12% (-2)

via @BMGResearch
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August 19, 2019 9:15am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  43 Cons+brex
  44 Lab+Ldem
  
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  August 19, 2019 10:37am
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    Downticks for doing arithmetic? Tough crowd.
    
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    August 19, 2019 4:28pm
Cobolt24

NZ MANUFACTURING ACTIVITY SHRINKS FOR FIRST TIME IN SEVEN YEARS | Sharechat.co.nz
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http://www.sharechat.co.nz/article/2132420a/nz-manufacturing-activity-shrinks-for-first-time-in-seven-years.html
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August 19, 2019 9:20am
- Tall Man
  
  But ardern and robbo said “all’s good”…….. Another lie maybe?
  
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  August 19, 2019 9:35am
  - chaos
    
    All is good, the economy is great in the islands, they just keep getting more money.
    
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    August 19, 2019 11:34am
    - sooty
      
      Just like some people here, because of the treaty.
      
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      August 19, 2019 5:33pm
Maggie Pie

Spent some time at the Farmers Market yesterday afternoon carefully selecting fruit and vegetables to throw away next weekend.
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August 19, 2019 9:33am
- sooty
  
  Good girl. Supporting private enterprise!
  
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  August 19, 2019 10:30am
Yvette

As a report back on the cost of petrol is anticipated tomorrow, Stuff in an item “Petrol report may pave way for more competition in more towns” says, under a photo of Judith Collins says –
Judith Collins helped stoke a furore over petrol pricing in 2017 after she picked up the usually low-profile energy and resources portfolio and vowed to “get to the bottom” of rising profit margins.

While under a photo of the PM, Stuff caption says –
Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern says people deserve “peace of mind that the price they’re paying at the pump is fair”. See? – gentler, and exuding more kindness

For some reason Stuff does not repeat now, what their headlines noted when this latest inquiry started: “Fuel companies push back on PM’s claims Kiwis are fleeced at the pump” –
Then they said – The Government will rush through changes to the Commerce Act to allow the competition watchdog to investigate the margins on fuel, as the pump price hits a record high.
Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern announced the move at her post-cabinet press conference, saying consumers were being “fleeced” at the pump.
And again –
Ardern said the importer margin on petrol climbed from 7 per cent of the price of petrol in 2008 to 16 per cent in early 2018.
“That increase represents a transfer of wealth from petrol consumers to producers to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars a year,” Ardern said. “Consumers, in my book, are being fleeced.”

Let us see tomorrow if Stuff is “pulling the wool over our eyes” in not now rebleating Ardern’s claims that “Consumers, in my book, are being fleeced.”
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August 19, 2019 9:41am
- chaos
  
  People know the price of petrol in New Zealand isn’t fair. 91 is currently $2.30 in South Canterbury. More expensive than Auckland that has a regional petrol tax on. But I doubt labour will do anything about this.
  
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  August 19, 2019 10:01am
  - Batman
    
    Have you considered that it is harder to get fuel to South Canterbury than to Auckland?
    
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    August 19, 2019 10:52am
    - chaos
      
      No it’s not really. The fuel tanks are at the port, 2 minutes from the port it is $2.30. 1 1/2 hours from the port the fuel is cheaper, despite it having further to travel by road to full up those stations.
      
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      August 19, 2019 11:34am
      - rangitoto
        
        Fuel to Auckland is delivered via pipeline.
        
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        August 19, 2019 11:55am
      - chaos
        
        and yet petrol in Taupo is still cheaper than petrol right by then tank farm at the port down here. The reason is because the big players have refused to give other players any access to fuel in the South Island locking out competition. The South Island has been paying far too much for fuel for too long
        
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        August 19, 2019 12:30pm
  - Paulus
    
    Try having a small economically engined car which as a result uses 98 oct fuel – the price of which is never advertised – about 15c higher than 91 oct.
    
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    August 19, 2019 2:02pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Why does your small economical car need 98? Is it European?
      My small economical Japanese car uses 91.
      
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      August 19, 2019 9:15pm
- stephieboy
  
  “A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds.”
  ― Ralph Waldo Emerson
  
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  August 19, 2019 10:25am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Consistently Foolish- yep, that’s Stephie
    Hobgoblin- yep, he looks like one
    Little mind- yep, proves it every day
    
    “Stephieboy is Kiwiblogs Dumbest Commentator”
    – Mikenmild
    
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    August 19, 2019 12:14pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Source?
      
      Plus,
      
      Consistency is contrary to nature, contrary to life. The only completely consistent people are the dead.”
      
      ― Aldous Huxley,
      
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      August 19, 2019 4:05pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

Greta Thunberg’s virtue signalling boat trip across the atlantic of course always had a massively greater hidden ‘carbon footprint’ than flying – just think of extra provisions, huge cost of building a low-utilisation yacht etc with all its high maintenance sails and other parts etc. But is most laughably revealed by the fact that several crew members are flying home transatlantic after their publicity crossing. So actually using far more jet fuel than if she alone had just jumped on a plane.
#GreenHypocrites
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August 19, 2019 9:51am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Not only that, but a crew is flying in to take the boat home! #OwnGoal
  
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  August 19, 2019 10:06am
- All_on_Red
  
  Yes, the ‘Zero Carbon’ trip in a Carbon Fibre yacht…
  Poor St Greta of Aspia is being badly used. Shameful behaviour by her zealot parents.
  
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  August 19, 2019 10:15am
- stephieboy
  
  UN,
  
  “A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds.”
  ― Ralph Waldo Emerson
  
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  August 19, 2019 10:26am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Consistently Foolish- yep, that’s Stephie
    Hobgoblin- yep, he looks like one
    Little mind- yep, proves it every day
    
    “Stephieboy is Kiwiblogs Dumbest Commentator”
    – Mikenmild
    
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    August 19, 2019 12:14pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Source?
      
      Plus,
      
      Consistency is contrary to nature, contrary to life. The only completely consistent people are the dead.”
      
      ― Aldous Huxley,
      
      LOL!
      
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      August 19, 2019 4:11pm
- The Feed
  
  Yet another own goal from guilt-ridden climate wankers. Stop taking trips. Go live in a cave and each cabbage, you tiresome, science- challenged windbags.
  
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  August 19, 2019 11:05am
- kowtow
  
  I read there’s no toilet on board ( as if to say there’s some martyrdom hardship involved)
  That means they either shit in the boat or it goes into the Atlantic.
  
  Either way , not very environmental.
  
  Me , I don’t care where the shit goes , its got to go somewhere , but then I don’t hold myself out to be be an eco preacher prat.
  
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  August 19, 2019 2:17pm
  - alex Masterley
    
    Kowtow,
    There is a bucket for number 2s.
    So when you have done your business you chuck it.
    
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    August 19, 2019 4:18pm
    - Batman
      
      And as anyone who has done much sailing will know, fish will make short work of your waste products!
      
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      August 19, 2019 4:24pm
      - sooty
        
        Then you eat the fish!
        
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        August 19, 2019 5:31pm
    - kowtow
      
      Yer I know , a plastic bucket !
      
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      August 19, 2019 6:26pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  And what’s wrong with presenting a speech via skype?
  
  She didn’t need to go to New York.
  Just as she doesn’t need to travel to Santiago for the Climate Conference.
  She is 16 years old, with limited education.
  She is taking the year off from school…
  
  https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/08/18/doh-climate-messiah-greta-thunbergs-plastic-boat-trip-will-result-in-two-airline-flights/
  
  Somebody is exploiting this poor child.
  
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  August 19, 2019 2:35pm
  - stephieboy
    
    MW, just a reminder,
    
    Anthony Watts
    
    Credentials
    
    Anthony Watts studied Electrical Engineering and Meteorology at Purdue University, but according to correspondence between Purdue University and SourceWatch, he did not graduate
    
    Background
    Anthony Watts is a former television meteorologist best known as the founder and editor of the blog Watts Up With That (WUWT), which primarily publishes articles critical of mainstream climate change science. Watts joined the Heartland Institute, a think tank proudly at the forefront of promoting doubt about climate change, as a Senior Fellow in 2019. [1], [121]
    Watts is the director and president of IntelliWeather Inc., a weather graphics company alternatively known as Innovative Tech Works (ITWorks), and Weathershop. Watts also founded Surfacestations.org, a project with the stated purpose of documenting the siting quality of weather stations in the United States. [1], [3]
    Watts previously worked as an on-air meteorologist for WLFI-TV in Lafayette, Indiana, and later joined KHSK-TV in 1987. In 2002, Watts left his position as a television weatherman to devote time to his private business, ITWorks. He returned to work part-time at KHSL in 2004, and has also been the chief meteorologist for KPAY-AM (an affiliate of Fox News) since 2002. [5], [6]
    
    Watts admits he is ”not a degreed climate scientist.” His primary credential appears to be an American Meteorological Society Seal of Approval. This does not mean that Watts is “AMS Certified” as some sources have inaccurately claimed. The AMS Seal of Approval is a discontinued credential that does not require a bachelor’s or higher degree in atmospheric science or meteorology. [1], [7], [8], [9]
    
    Watts’s “About” page mentions neither his Purdue attendance nor whether he graduated. Email correspondence between SourceWatch and Purdue University confirm he attended from August, 1975 to May, 1982, however registrar staff also confirm it is safe to assume that Watts attained no qualification from the university. [1], [2]
    According to leaked documents released in 2012, Watts has received funding from the Heartland Institute. [4]
    
    https://www.desmogblog.com/anthony-watts
    
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    August 19, 2019 4:24pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      More smears about someone you have never met, stephieboy.
      
      I’m not interested in your slimy cut & pastes.
      
      Do you not recognise that the author of a blog post (In this case:Eric Worrall) may not necessarily be the owner of the web site?
      
      I am sure I have told you this before.
      
      Perhaps you could rush off and find us some slimy gossip about Eric Worrall… or shall I ring him up for you?…he’s only over in Queensland..
      
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      August 19, 2019 4:46pm
      - sooty
        
        Please, do!
        
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        August 19, 2019 5:29pm
      - stephieboy
        
        MW , Anthony Watts is bound to be truthful. Not a very promising now is it?
        
        I understand that De Smog is run by a number r of individuals and contributors involved in the climate change debate.
        
        It’s all here,
        
        https://www.desmogblog.com/node/197
        
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        August 19, 2019 6:54pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Anthony Watts is bound to be truthful.
        
        Exactly. That is why he runs “The world’s most viewed site on global warming and climate change”
        
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        August 19, 2019 7:25pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Desmogblog is a nasty collection of Science Deniers.
        They’ve been proved lightweights many times.
        They have no credibility so are a lot like you.
        Same goes for your other stupid sources Skeptical Science and Rational Wiki.
        Again , like you, their opinions are worthless.
        
        Btw, I laughed at your rebuttal up thread by ‘Scotty dog’! Just so convincing.
        
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        August 19, 2019 7:34pm
    - alloytoo
      
      So, Watts doesn’t mention a qualification he doesn’t have?
      
      The bastard!
      
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      August 19, 2019 6:39pm
alloytoo

Booing at the rugger.

I missed the rugger on Saturday and the alleged booing. Did any body record it?
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August 19, 2019 10:26am
- mark15
  
  Yep
  
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  August 19, 2019 12:21pm
  - alloytoo
    
    any way of making it public, I suspect TPTB will continue to ignore it.
    
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    August 19, 2019 1:04pm
    - Tony Stuart
      
      To their credit, Newshub has NOT ignored it. The accompanying Magic poll is 69% to 31% in favour of booing being acceptable.
      
      https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/08/was-it-acceptable-to-boo-jacinda-ardern-after-all-blacks-match.html
      
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      August 19, 2019 5:50pm
Oskar

Well its only 10.30 and already I have three calls on my landline either saying they are from Spark or else saying I have a computer/router problem and they are to help fix it. They must have been on holiday on Friday as there were no calls but Thursday there were four. These calls sure do drive people away from land lines.
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August 19, 2019 10:42am
- Batman
  
  If you can, simply get rid of your landline. You’ll thank us for it ?
  
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  August 19, 2019 10:48am
  - stephen2d
    
    And you’ll save a lot of money, too, just on “line rental” and “maintenance” alones!
    
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    August 19, 2019 10:55am
- Jack5
  
  Oskar, you are right. We get the same.
  
  Are Spark and the other hosters trying to hasten the demise of land lines by not highlighting and addressing the problem?
  
  Something surely could be done to screen out some of these inward calls if they are from abroad, or to track the criminals down if the calls are from within New Zealand.
  
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  August 19, 2019 11:04am
  - chaos
    
    How? Some of these calls will spoof the number the are calling from. If it was simple they would block them
    
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    August 19, 2019 11:31am
    - Jack5
      
      That’s a bit like saying: if problem X could be solved it would have been solved. It’s defeatist.
      
      Increasingly land lines are in households subscribing to fibre services.
      
      I suspect we can block each “Spark” call as it comes in, so calls from the number of the fraudsters can be permanently shut out. Could Spark and/or the other Orcons cheaply and simply school their fibre subscribers in a campaign to shut out the fraudsters? Just putting advice on their web sites would cost extremely little.
      
      Maybe in this computer age, digital exchanges could also be programmed so that line-phone subscribers still on the copper network could be given a way to block incoming numbers.
      
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      August 19, 2019 12:08pm
      - chaos
        
        It’s not that easy. I’ll give you an example, a year ago a friend in the states father got a phone call from the local campus police to inform him that his other daughter had been in a serious car accident that she had caused, that she was drunk, and that he needed to pay her fine. The caller Id showed the call came from the local campus police station. Now if he blocked that number it would actually block the local police campus that his daughter was attending university at. It wouldn’t of blocked the spammer that had actually made the call.
        
        Your best option is to simply screen calls that come in to your phone. Which is something spark allows with their new home phone. All numbers in your contacts ring straight through, those not in will be screened.
        
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        August 19, 2019 1:10pm
      - DigNap15
        
        And mobile phones get these hang up calls as well.
        F them
        and
        F the telcos that allow them to do it.
        
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        August 19, 2019 5:29pm
    - Sacha
      
      I have VOIP. I rang the company because I was getting calls with no-one there. Thy were able to confirm that I had had a number of calls from one number in Hamilton (I don’t know anyone there) – and so had other of their clients.
      I don’t know what they did, but the calls have stopped.
      
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      August 19, 2019 2:50pm
stephieboy

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
“Islam is not a race” is a phrase bandied about by Islamaphobics/ Muslim bashers . The truth is that it is a comment that is no different to the same racist attitudes towards say Somalians and other black Africans ( Muslim or not) ie bigoted , prejudiced , intolerant etc ,

https://twitter.com/toddhgreen/status/1078340093633576967?lang=en
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August 19, 2019 10:54am
- Jack5
  
  Typing and punctuation change at the Stephie posting syndicate.
  
  This one has trouble knowing when to – and not to – hit the keyboard space bar.
  
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  August 19, 2019 11:01am
- Swifty
  
  “Nazism is not a race” is a phrase bandied about by Naziphobics/ Nazi bashers . The truth is that it is a comment that is no different to the same racist attitudes towards say Whites or other white Americans ( Nazi or not) ie bigoted , prejudiced , intolerant etc
  
  See what YOU just did there? From now on every time you mention Nazis Stiffy – you are being RACIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  
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  August 19, 2019 11:08am
  - stephieboy
    
    Swiftly “Nazism is not a race”?? False equivalence, Nazism is a Ultra Nationalist and racial political ideology !
    
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    August 19, 2019 12:14pm
    - alloytoo
      
      I think you will find it’s a Nationalist Socialist doctrine.
      
      Says so, right there on the can.
      
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      August 19, 2019 1:06pm
    - Swifty
      
      Just like Islam is a political and religious ideology.
      
      There is no false equivalence whatsoever.
      
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      August 19, 2019 1:44pm
- srylands
  
  I don’t have an issue with Muslims per se. However, and I know this is unfashionable to say, but in the last 20 years they seem to be over-represented in people who blow up other people.
  
  Secondly, I do have an issue with groups of people who subjugate women. Again, I know this is unfashionable to say, but there are practices Muslims carry out that subjugate women. If a teenage Muslim girl in a traditional Muslim family, decided to abandon the hijab, things might not go well for her.
  
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  August 19, 2019 11:08am
  - stephieboy
    
    srylands, all those alleged traits are designed to build up the equivalent of a racially-based stereotype profile.
    
    Shal we say cultural racism!
    
    Fixed!
    
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    August 19, 2019 12:17pm
    - srylands
      
      So teenage Muslim girls can reject the hijab? And they will not be shunned?
      
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      August 19, 2019 12:36pm
      - chaos
        
        I don’t think you will get an answer…. hmmm.
        
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        August 19, 2019 2:24pm
      - sooty
        
        But will they get a fanny trim too?
        
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        August 19, 2019 5:25pm
- alloytoo
  
  Not all cultures are equal.
  
  Some are demonstrably superior.
  
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  August 19, 2019 11:10am
  - stephieboy
    
    alloytoo, like yours?
    
    LOL
    
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    August 19, 2019 12:17pm
    - alloytoo
      
      Some cultures result in a demonstrably better quality of life for all their citizens, and yes, I’m very grateful to be living in one of those cultures here in NZ.
      
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      August 19, 2019 1:14pm
- Yvette
  
  Stephieboy’s link leads to the comment –
  … Islam is racialized, as are Muslims. Muslims are treated as a race, as a monolithic entity collectively presumed guilty of harboring violent impulses. They are treated as a suspect population deserving of discrimination.
  
  The writer exchanges the word “Islam” for “Muslims” and then carries on his argument about “race”, while in fact “Islam is not a race” remains true
  
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  August 19, 2019 11:18am
  - stephieboy
    
    Yvette, the attitudes by the response so far suggests that prejudiced towards Muslims is no different than say Somalians or Nigerians ( Muslim or not)
    
    Sikhs have been mistaken for Muslims with abuse thrown at them.
    
    https://www.indy100.com/article/sikhs-face-discrimination-get-mistaken-for-muslims-hardayal-singh-united-sikhs-8332796
    
    Go and figure!
    
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    August 19, 2019 12:20pm
    - alloytoo
      
      There you go just repeating the mistake that Yvette pointed out.
      
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      August 19, 2019 1:16pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  Anyone who thinks sexist, homophobic, antisemitic, authoritarian or any other aspect of an ideology can’t be discussed is sexist, homophobic, antisemitic and authoritarian.
  
  Stuffy supports an authoritarian future for NZ.
  
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  August 19, 2019 2:23pm
Jack5

Lana Hart, who until recently wrote Lefty-Liberal stuff at Stuff, has an item at Radio NZ about flakes flocking to convert to Islam after the Christchurch massacres.

This will be giving a well-earned break to the meditating Buddhists, the Jehovah Witnesses, and Tamaki’s mob.

I wonder if the Muslims take in LGBTQIA refugees?

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/voices/audio/2018708670/kiwi-converts-to-islam
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August 19, 2019 10:59am
- stephieboy
  
  Jack5, do fundamentalist and Evangelical Christians like Scoot and others do?
  
  Would you?
  
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  August 19, 2019 12:23pm
- Paulus
  
  The Kabul wedding bombs took place in the middle room where the children etc were, the men were in one side room, and the women were in another.
  
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  August 19, 2019 2:08pm
- Jules99
  
  Given the movement of Christianity to be more ‘inclusive’ I imagine if you have conservative values, Islam is all that is left. The no alcohol, no bacon thing might be an issue though.
  
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  August 19, 2019 2:56pm
  - Tall Man
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fx-c7YcdTN8
    
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    August 19, 2019 3:34pm
srylands

I heard a guy on the wireless this morning complaining about industrial emissions. Yes cement manufacture does produce emissions but we need concrete and there is no way around it.

But he said something that was crazy. He said that New Zealand should only use aluminium produced in New Zealand because it was low emissions. (Producing it uses giant amounts of electricity and in New Zealand the smelter gets all its power from hydro.)

Its hard to know where to start with the stupid. Most of the aluminium in New Zealand is imported in built up products. But more importantly, it does not matter WHO uses the “green” aluminium. Just so long as somebody does. Whether the aluminium is used domestically or in other countries does not affect global greenhouse emissions.

Why can’t journalists ask questions instead of letting these folk present rubbish as facts.
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August 19, 2019 11:02am
- Ian Boag
  
  If cement production was a country it would be up in the top 5 emissions-wise ….
  
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  August 19, 2019 12:54pm
  - srylands
    
    Yes I’m aware.
    
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    August 19, 2019 1:09pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  Listening to Red Radio has become a very painful experience :(. And I’m helping pay for that shite!
  
  It used to be reasonably ok (in the hazy distant past), but now every single item is 100% predictable and stupid: climate change ‘wail wail, we’re killing the planet’, colonisation ‘wail wail, pakeha are so guilty’, women’s inequality ‘wail wail, men are so guilty’.
  
  There is virtually nothing else on Red Radio these days.
  
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  August 19, 2019 2:29pm
Hugh Pavletich

NEW ZEALAND: Demand for lifestyle / life sentence blocks will fall dramatically as increasingly more affordable REAL NEED & MANAGEABLE sections / lots on urban fringes belatedly become available soon ( … and too … taking pressure off elite soils) … as we await Urban Development Minister Phil Twyfords announcement this week …

… these looming long – awaited political changes regrettably overlooked within this particular article below …

Lifestyle block bargains to be had, but experts warn to go in with eyes wide open … Susan Edmunds … Stuff NZ

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/115051666/lifestyle-block-bargains-to-be-had-but-experts-warn-to-go-in-with-eyes-wide-open
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… Now reversing the idiotic planner lifestyle blocks and outlying towns splatter ‘flight to affordability’ … to sensible and normal urban expansion …

The ‘New Zealand Dreewam’ is still alive … Wendell Cox … New Geography

http://www.newgeography.com/content/006327-the-new-zealand-dream-still-alive

… extract …

… First, there has been a large increase in “lifestyle blocks,” which, according to Statistics New Zealand allows “people to enjoy a rural setting while still working in an urban area.” Typically these properties have single-family houses on small rural, but not agriculturally commercial properties. By 2012, lifestyle blocks had consumed more than 870,000 hectares in New Zealand, (2,150,000 acres or 3,350 square miles) more than three times the 227,000 hectares (560,000 acres or 875 square miles) occupied urban areas, according to Statistics New Zealand. Thus, while land use plans have driven up the cost of the New Zealand Dream within urban areas, many households have pursued their Dream in single-family houses on far larger lots in the countryside.

Second, in late 2017, New Zealanders elected a Labour Party led coalition government that promised to improve housing affordability. The government promised to abolish the urban growth boundaries, that so often accompany severely unaffordable housing around the world. … read more via hyperlink above …
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… Urban Development (then Housing) Minister Phil Twyford clearly explained the key issues late March …

New Zealaned (then Housing) Urban Development Minister Phil Twyfords speech to the New Zealand Initiative Members Retreat … New Zealand Government / Beehive

https://www.beehive.govt.nz/speech/speech-nz-initiative-members%E2%80%99-retreat

… extract …

… In our view there are three big challenges that have to be addressed:

1. A broken system for financing infrastructure

2. A planning system based on urban containment

3. The failure of governments until now, both local and central, to actively work with the private sector to enable urban growth and expansion. … read more via hyperlink above …

… Access extensive background information 2019 section
‘the flight to affordability’
via …
Performance Urban Planning
http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/
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August 19, 2019 11:19am
- Cobolt24
  
  http://www.sharechat.co.nz/article/2132420a/nz-manufacturing-activity-shrinks-for-first-time-in-seven-years.html
  
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  August 19, 2019 12:10pm
Kabull

This episode on immigration into California is extremely thought-provoking. There are also many similarities with NZ in the way society is being impacted through the creation of two ‘streams’ and the diminishing influence of the more traditional elements that helped create the once Golden State.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7XbmBUlNPo
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August 19, 2019 11:35am
- stephieboy
  
  OMG Stefan Molyneux!
  
  Enough said!
  
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  August 19, 2019 12:25pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    OMG Stephieboy!
    Enough said!
    
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    August 19, 2019 12:33pm
    - stephieboy
      
      All on Red, warm to Molyneux because of this?
      
      https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/qanon-anonymous/e/62859807
      
      Or this ?
      
      https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/mar/02/the-unwelcome-revival-of-race-science
      
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      August 19, 2019 3:14pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        I wasn’t defending Molynuex, just pointing out your hypocrisy and how your opinion is pretty worthless…
        
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        August 19, 2019 3:41pm
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Red, what hypocrisy ?
        
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        August 19, 2019 4:26pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Your hypocrisy
        
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        August 19, 2019 7:28pm
  - Classic Liberal
    
    ‘[Insert any name] – enough said’
    
    Thanks for defining prejudice, Stuffy.
    
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    August 19, 2019 2:31pm
Tony Stuart

Paula Bennett has published a post on her Facebook page this morning, and it’s a must-read; check this out:

I was recently contacted by someone who called themselves a victim. They talked of a Labour Party staffer who works in Jacinda Ardern’s office. The accused is senior to most of his victims, and the allegations being made are serious. The person who contacted me repeatedly named him. They said his behaviour had taken place both within and outside of Parliament. They asked for anonymity and said they came to me because they believed there were vulnerable young people still at risk. They said they, and others, believed that coming to me may be the only way they can be heard. It is their hope that there will be action and in future the Labour Party can be a safe space for people in the party and people who work at Parliament.

What they’re alleging is serious. One victim was admitted to hospital because of the stress this has caused them.

https://www.facebook.com/paulabennettUH/posts/1376415635844233?__tn__=-R

It’s a lengthy post, and people should take the time to read it in its entirety. But these paragraphs stands out:

The victims say they’re fearful of the accused and his power and that it permeates from the Labour Party Head Office to staffers in the Prime Minister’s Office. They say there are other influencers who have made threats. They said 12 people over the course of previous years have come forward with complaints and later told me that at least two that they knew of had reported complaints to someone senior in the Prime Minister’s office, they named that person.

They say the Party and Jacinda Ardern’s office is trying to distance themselves from it as much as possible by stressing its ‘independence.’

I commend Paula Bennett for taking up the case of these women. But it is an indictment on the Labour Party and particularly its women MP’s that the victims don’t feel they will get any action from their own team. Equally, the silence of Green Party female MP’s, especially Jan Logie, an outspoken critic on cases of bullying and sexual violence, is deafening.
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August 19, 2019 12:03pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Yes, PB is one of my besties on twitter [the only Westie i don’t block] – she tweeted me the link to her facebook post about an hour ago. If the allegations are proven this will be absolute dynamite for Labor !!
  
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  August 19, 2019 12:18pm
  - Paulus
    
    Parliamentary rumour of the unnamed person is that he has enormous power in the Labour Parliamentary system.
    Waiting for his name to leak properly.
    
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    August 19, 2019 2:13pm
- chaos
  
  For some reason I can’t copy it but I think the fourth paragraph from the bottom is important too. The prime minister’s office knew and that two complaints were made to the head of her leaders office.
  
  Disgusting how labour treat victims of sexual abuse
  
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  August 19, 2019 12:36pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Let me play devils advocate here
    
    The fact that it sounds like there has been no police involvement suggests that the harassment is probably just creepy/icky/disturbing or perhaps even some of it joking by a clueless guy rather than aggressive or physical, and having heard both sides the higher ups in Labour are perhaps fairly regarding this as over-reactions by some perhaps dramatically inclined women that they don’t regard as sufficient to fire the perp.
    
    Doesn’t excuse Labour’s efforts to shush the complainants and deny them transparency in dealing with the complaints.
    
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    August 19, 2019 1:15pm
    - chaos
      
      There was no police involvement with the labour youth camp either, it was hushed up until the story broke then they went to the police.
      
      Overreaction doesn’t lead a victim to having to be hospitalised
      
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      August 19, 2019 1:41pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        “Overreaction doesn’t lead a victim to having to be hospitalised”. Unless it is just the final straw or an incidental factor for someone who is struggling with a problem. A lot of people spend time in hospital for mental health issues. Anxiety and depressive disorders abound. Somewhere between 10 and 20% have significant mental health problems.
        
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        August 19, 2019 2:14pm
    - kowtow
      
      Clueless and Labour do have a certain synergy.
      
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      August 19, 2019 1:56pm
    - Tall Man
      
      One of the victims has alleged rape and she required hospitalisation due to an ensuing mental health issue which has led her to believe she would have little success in pursuing a prosecution.
      
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      August 19, 2019 3:26pm
- Biscuit
  
  Who was it, Tony, who came in here after Paula Bennett made her first statement who rubbished her for her lies?
  
  He’d be conspicuous by his absence today, heh heh.
  
  Maybe my post will encourage him to come up with a downtick or two!
  
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  August 19, 2019 1:06pm
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Why, I do believe it might have been the former Alliance voter, Psycho Milt…
    
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    August 19, 2019 1:31pm
    - Tall Man
      
      He was despicable in the manner he approached it by attacking Paula Bennett and claiming that it was just politicising the events.
      
      He heft with his tail between his legs but he’ll run to the standard with tales of how he bravely defended the honour of a rapist.
      
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      August 19, 2019 3:18pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        It is abuse-enabling behaviour.
        
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        August 19, 2019 3:48pm
      - Psycho Milt
        
        Nice to know I made such an impression you’re constructing elaborate fantasies about me. For my part, I haven’t thought about you at all.
        
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        August 19, 2019 4:36pm
      - Tall Man
        
        “Your fantasy about “how Labour treated the victims” makes it seems so to you, perhaps.”
        
        Treated? Treated them so well they have left the party and gone public.
        
        I do tend to remember rapists and their defenders. From my experiences in a different world, I found rapists to be pathetic inadequate men and those that defend them are even worse, that’s you psycho… lower than scum in my opinion.
        
        Perhaps the mods may want to look at psycho’s disgusting deflections and give some consideration to the victims having such an arsehole question their claims.
        
        Yep psycho, I find you as memorable as dog turd on my boots and similar in character as well.
        
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        August 19, 2019 6:28pm
    - Psycho Milt
      
      I don’t recall “rubbishing [Paula Bennett] for her lies,” just pointing out that there’s no reason to accept her claims as fact. That still holds true.
      
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      August 19, 2019 3:42pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        She’s making the statement outside the protection of Parliament.
        That’s a good indication the allegations are true. Put that together with how Labour treated the victims at the sex Camp, the scenario rings true. So maybe you should take your head out of your a**e and see some daylight…
        
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        August 19, 2019 3:50pm
      - stephieboy
        
        “.. with how Labour treated the victims at the sex Camp,..”
        
        ???
        
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        August 19, 2019 4:27pm
      - Psycho Milt
        
        She’s making the statement outside the protection of Parliament. That’s a good indication the allegations are true.
        
        Only if she’s defamed named individuals who might sue her, which she doesn’t seem to have done.
        
        Put that together with how Labour treated the victims at the sex Camp, the scenario rings true.
        
        Your fantasy about “how Labour treated the victims” makes it seems so to you, perhaps.
        
        In matters like this, I think back to how Bennett and her colleague Bridges handled similar allegations about one of their MPs, which was hardly confidence-inspiring.
        
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        August 19, 2019 4:41pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @ stephieboy
        Don’t you remember Jacinda Ardern admitted that they screwed up:
        
        https://www.noted.co.nz/currently/currently-politics/pm-labour-boss-was-wrong-in-handling-of-alleged-sex-assault-but-will-keep-job
        
        Don’t you remember Jacinda Ardern having to say:
        
        – “We failed the young people who told us they had been hurt – this failure left them feeling abandoned and I am deeply sorry for that. It is not good enough. We let them down.”
        
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/105003705/arrest-in-labour-party-sex-assault-case
        
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        August 19, 2019 5:12pm
- alex Masterley
  
  There is also silence from the Law Society, those protesters from the University who marched on Russell McVeagh and the metoo people.
  That is disappointing in itself.
  Equally disappointing is the absence of marching orders being given to the person in question whoever that person may be. In the Russell McVeagh case the partner in question was removed from the partnership so fast his feet didn’t touch the ground.
  
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  August 19, 2019 1:38pm
  - kowtow
    
    Theirs and others’ silence speaks volumes.
    
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    August 19, 2019 1:59pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

Improving wind power economics:
https://arstechnica.com/science/2019/08/wind-power-prices-now-lower-than-the-cost-of-natural-gas/
Couple of interesting graphs showing rising capacity factors – wind turbines on average produce 35-45% of their installed capacity. And new installs have electricity costs far below the $80/MWh typical wholesale price in NZ.

Renewables economics are becoming very competitive (providing they are a small enough proportion of generation that you don’t need to install additional spinning reserve for when they aren’t producing)
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August 19, 2019 1:04pm
Biscuit

Replying to chao, 12:36pm:

This is the full post, chaos, and I have set apart the para you refer to:

I was recently contacted by someone who called themselves a victim. They talked of a Labour Party staffer who works in Jacinda Ardern’s office. The accused is senior to most of his victims, and the allegations being made are serious. The person who contacted me repeatedly named him. They said his behaviour had taken place both within and outside of Parliament. They asked for anonymity and said they came to me because they believed there were vulnerable young people still at risk. They said they, and others, believed that coming to me may be the only way they can be heard. It is their hope that there will be action and in future the Labour Party can be a safe space for people in the party and people who work at Parliament.
What they’re alleging is serious. One victim was admitted to hospital because of the stress this has caused them.
Yesterday the victims were told there would be an appeal process after the way the Labour Party originally handled their complaints. The President of the party called and said it would be run by a QC. They feel it’s just more of the same, a policy and process conjured up on the hoof without any consideration given to how an appeal process should be run. It’s not victim-led. Ultimately any decision making will rest in the hands of the Labour Party Council who the victims believe is not best qualified to make decisions like this because of the inherent political influence that the accused is able to wield.
They say the Labour Party completely ignored them when they asked a process to be developed with a third party sexual abuse prevention agency. For time to be taken to get the process right. They’ve just made up this process as they did with the previous one.
The victims say they’re fearful of the accused and his power and that it permeates from the Labour Party Head Office to staffers in the Prime Minister’s Office. They say there are other influencers who have made threats. They said 12 people over the course of previous years have come forward with complaints and later told me that at least two that they knew of had reported complaints to someone senior in the Prime Minister’s office, they named that person.
They say the Party and Jacinda Ardern’s office is trying to distance themselves from it as much as possible by stressing its ‘independence.’
I have now had three people come to me, asking that I continue going public with their concerns as they don’t feel they can. They are scared for themselves and others. They don’t feel that they have been listened to.
After confirming their identity to me, we discussed their options. I believe in a victim-led response, they felt powerless and the last thing they needed was me dictating what would happen. I suggested they go to the Police, or Parliament’s Speaker, along with other options. They asked me to go to the Speaker and to go public. They hoped people would see how serious they were that they had to speak to me, a National MP, to be heard.
I knew I would get criticised for going public with what they had told me, but I also knew I had to leave my politics and concerns for how I would be judged to one side. I believed them, I heard the fear in their voice. They also told me about a number of other serious effects this was having on them and others such as anxiety, panic attacks, vomiting and time off work. They talked of having no real hope and feeling powerless.
My role gives me a platform to speak from. I believe them and I feel I have to do what I believe is right. Too many victims suffer because they are threatened and silenced. The shocking and deplorable becomes their norm and they start to blame themselves. These people are courageous and brave and they deserve a voice.
Since my initial contact I have seen emails where senior people in the Labour Party have responded to the victims by limiting access within Parliament of both the victims and the alleged perpetrator. I have seen an email where victims were told “you may not go to xxx office in Parliamentary
I have seen an email where victims were told “you may not go to xxx office in Parliamentary buildings (I have changed the language slightly so as not to identify anyone)”. As one of the victims said “telling people to avoid parliament because of a predator, is very scary.”
I have also been told that while the original investigation was happening the alleged perpetrator was put in charge of hosting an event at Parliament where senior MPs and officials knew at least three of the complainants would be present.

The victims have been very clear with me that the Prime Minister’s office knew and that two complaints were made to the head of her Leader’s Office. Despite this, they say a complaint was never received and victims will have to come forward again.

I have been told repeatedly that the Labour Party allowed the accused’s behaviour, that he is too valuable to lose, and that he is close to senior and important people. I asked them what they want. They want a proper respectful process. They want his membership suspended immediately and for him to be stood down so people don’t have to be frightened of bumping into him and they want to keep him away from other vulnerable young people.
Now that an appeal is underway the victims have been told they can’t speak to anyone in the Labour Party, that includes the people who have formed their only support system. It’s yet another form of isolation that will have a huge impact on already vulnerable people. They don’t feel safe at work, they’re constantly on edge.
It’s not my job to judge, I fully accept that I don’t know all the details and have only heard one side and that these are allegations – I have purposefully not outlined them or named or identified anyone. But I will speak up, and yes use different public platforms to do so. I would tell the Labour Party what I have been told, but to be fair they already know what I know and from what I can see have chosen not to act. I hope that changes.
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August 19, 2019 1:13pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  Kudos to Paula Bennett for using the platform her job gives her to advocate on these women’s behalf, at their request.
  
  You do have to wonder why not one single Labour Party MP, male or female, has come out publicly in defence of these women, or in condemnation of the way they are being treated. You also have to wonder whether a blanket “don’t mention this” order has been issued, and if so, by whom.
  
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  August 19, 2019 1:43pm
  - Tall Man
    
    “Up the Party”…… [Deleted] …. sometimes literally.
    
    [Mod: people have allegedly sexually assaulted, don’t make light of it.]
    
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    August 19, 2019 3:52pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Actually mod, saying “fuck em” was not making light of the assault and I have made a number of posts stating my disgust with it and those who supported and enabled it.
      
      My comment is my opinion and I very much think it “is” the labour party’s response to most of us, including those that actually belong to the “party”.
      
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      August 19, 2019 6:10pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Hard to believe that all these powerful females in Parliament don’t have an inkling of what has been occurring.
    
    At the least, they could give Jacinda Ardern some sensible advice…
    (1) be aware of what is going on around her, and
    (2) don’t get involved in cover-ups.
    
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    August 19, 2019 4:00pm
    - chaos
      
      I don’t think you could pass wind without Helen knowing, seems you can do far more with Ardern and she just never knows…. yeah right. Tui billboard ad
      
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      August 19, 2019 4:23pm
    - DigNap15
      
      They are probably upset that no one has tried to fondle them.
      
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      August 19, 2019 5:25pm
    - Tall Man
      
      and 3) Give a shit for someone other than yourself for a change.
      
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      August 19, 2019 6:10pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Its worth going to the actual facebook post and reading the comments. Some Labour Supporters are so tribal they refuse to condemn Sexual Assault and put the boot into Paula. Sad really.
    
    https://www.facebook.com/paulabennettUH/posts/1376415635844233?__xts__%5B0%5D=68.ARBrFnfeBYNLOvXoDVcLRwxp5mMuFOz7ReocT81RTbrgZ5xS8klFxuuW96v_r59twsBA1qo6eUrR9BYfV41vN2XIA3W1rHby4thkF0EhGBMBQwc5j3WIqAZxipmZjDvoQdGX0bJpteFpcBMX_Rgzzh3omtSwE-86gtfxvfXII-YXK5gpPDYKLUZwskh3M1sa7J4Emj683OCp9whbRurIcc-3Km_g76oQDhoaL7QR0WiPY40gm4j7wFQu8rAyR0cCyCe0057uAS_1zmaUq6getiwcnuoSikv_x71YJppXA5A7d5d2NQDRjOpWp7TXcchaRY0CP3F_fx_XjzoBh0sZPQ&__tn__=K-R
    
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    August 19, 2019 5:32pm
    - Tall Man
      
      ” Some Labour Supporters are so tribal they refuse to condemn Sexual Assault and put the boot into Paula.”
      
      We saw that with psycho on here last week.
      
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      August 19, 2019 6:12pm
- Tall Man
  
  See what happens when a “feral” labour party feels it’s under attack.
  
  Rather than confront the issue they launch “squirrels” and attacks on those providing support to the victims.
  
  These events will start to make the swinging voters look very hard at ardern and she will emerge as “less than desirable” in my opinion.
  
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  August 19, 2019 6:19pm
Fletch

“Bernie Sanders” interview (cartoon) 😆

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlG8waFP148
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August 19, 2019 1:16pm
- The King
  
  [image of gentleman with large nose rubbing hands]
  
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  August 19, 2019 4:09pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Finally,
some acknowledgement that the PM was Booed at the Rugby

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/08/was-it-acceptable-to-boo-jacinda-ardern-after-all-blacks-match.html
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August 19, 2019 3:42pm
- chaos
  
  They would never of asked that question to anyone booing key.
  
  Of course it is acceptable to boo any politician but it appears jacinda shouldn’t be criticised by anyone in Australia or New Zealand or the woke people will get upset, have to go to their cry rooms, get therapy and need hugs and photos with baby
  
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  August 19, 2019 4:21pm
  - Tall Man
    
    This is what I have been saying for a while and is the “hamstring” that the media will use to attack Simon Bridges if he flattens her like the pathetic little pancake that she is.
    
    She is vulnerable but Simon will have to be second to the party not the instigator… look how the “woke” launched at Alan Jones.
    
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    August 19, 2019 6:01pm
- alex Masterley
  
  We left before the Bledisloe presentation so missed the PM’s welcome.
  There was only a muted reaction when the PM presented at half time one of the NZ Black Ferns with a cap for her 50th test.
  Probably because most of the crowd was in a queue waiting for food or drink.
  
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  August 19, 2019 4:21pm
- rangitoto
  
  Well this isn’t North Korea is it?
  
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  August 19, 2019 5:21pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Not yet but ardern has a plan, as soon as he finds where she wrote down…. she just hopes the crayon hasn’t melted and gone all yucky…..
    
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    August 19, 2019 6:03pm
- Tall Man
  
  Only on “Newshub” but certainly not on one of the “labour” news outlets.
  
  Sean Plunkett had a great idea, socks. Display a sock if you are less than enamoured with ardern. I think it’s a great idea, the smellier the better….. It could also be a “symbol” for the sock that goes into the boot that will “connect” with her arse in 2020.
  
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  August 19, 2019 5:54pm
- stephieboy
  
  MW, the US President has experienced similar and like him PM should just brush it off,
  
  https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trump-booed-as-he-arrives-for-college-football-national-championship-game-in-atlanta
  
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  August 19, 2019 6:40pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    You get booed here everyday
    Lol
    
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    August 19, 2019 7:24pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I DONT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT THE USA.
    
    How many times do I have to tell you that?
    
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    August 19, 2019 8:16pm
    - stephieboy
      
      MW, it comes with the job. President or PM!
      
      Proof,
      
      https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-nicola-sturgeon-meeting-scotland-edinburgh-boo-a9025776.html
      
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      August 19, 2019 8:58pm
  - Tall Man
    
    I really do’t care if obama was booed…….. ardern is an idiot and recently booed… yay.
    
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    August 19, 2019 8:18pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Tall Man, Boris Johnson too?
      
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      August 19, 2019 9:00pm
oldgolfer

A moment she or we may never forget.
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August 19, 2019 3:48pm
chaos

This is worth the read, good laugh.

https://mobile.twitter.com/CarolBlymire/status/1149805563674583040
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August 19, 2019 4:56pm
- Tall Man
  
  FFS ….. Starts with “mummy”. Trust me, we see it all the time.
  
  The sad thing is they grow up like steffy girl and psycho and add little to society.
  
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  August 19, 2019 5:42pm
  - chaos
    
    I had to laugh at the
    
    “The mother tells her that her boss is an idiot and she doesn’t have to listen to her and she should go to the boss’ boss to file a complaint about not allowing creativity in her writing.”
    
    Creativity in spelling a word, damn.
    
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    August 19, 2019 6:00pm
    - Tall Man
      
      The thing is…… Hampster is a way of spelling the word….. Especially if you hail from Hampstead Heath 😉
      
      “Spelling” should not be regarded as “creadividdddy”.
      
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      August 19, 2019 6:44pm
arkhad

Can anyone here post a link to the ministerial diaries that are proactively released. When I google for them I find only press releases.
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August 19, 2019 5:02pm
Nostradamus

From up-thread:

Maggy: I’ve got a stephieboy-free space over on YSB. No harassments, no slimy innuendo, no enquiries about my underwear.

Stephieboy: Examples? Or a case of super, super sensitivity? have you been called a C.., Perv etc, etc?

There are many examples of harassment and slimy innuendo (by you directed at Maggy) in the Kiwiblog archives. If you can’t remember what you’ve written, or are in denial about what you’ve written, then that’s not Maggy’s problem.

As for your “have you been called a C.., Perv etc, etc?, how would you like us to refer to a person who has boasted about going to St Lukes, perving at young girls, and coming back here to write about their breasts? And who has posted “celebrity porn” images of the US president’s daughter? And who has an apparent obsession with women’s underwear?

And, notably, who has downplayed the Labour Party sex camp scandal every step of the way, from what I’ve seen of your comments over the last 18 months or so, since that story came to light.
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August 19, 2019 5:30pm
- Tall Man
  
  The only way to deal with steffy girl is downtick and move on.
  
  She is one of the weirdos that get a “buzz” from your responses whatever they may be.
  
  It is unfortunate that Maggy is one that gets special treatment from steffy but that indicates to me that steffy is clearly threatened by Maggy’s obvious erudition. That is one of the reasons that I believe steffy is a girl as some underdeveloped women, and I mean in the brain area, really resent a smart woman and need to attack them mercilessly.
  
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  August 19, 2019 5:49pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I doubt I would have lasted long on KB if I was super, super sensitive.
  
  But I also realise that Griff, Mikenmild and stephieboy had rather a false image of me..
  
  I think they figured I would be shocked and embarrassed if posts were published on Kiwiblog that described me as menopausal or deranged or the possessor of saggy little tits.
  And who discusses the size of underwear worn by 65 year-old matrons?
  
  As I’ve made very clear.. I don’t particularly give a stuff what people call me.. I’m happy in my own skin.
  
  But I do care when folks tell lies about me.
  I do care when 3rd parties are brought into their abusive claims.
  
  Each time stepheboy denies that he abuses or harasses me, he adds to the pile of crap I have to deal with on KB.
  
  Still, it’s not my blog.
  I’ve got sick of asking for the abuse to stop.
  
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  August 19, 2019 5:56pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Maggie, Stephieboy has become like AOC. Once funny and you could play them. Now, both of them (Stephieboy and AOC) have gone septic. They just hate almost everything.
    Mike is in the same basket, although he is a smart (arse)
    
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    August 19, 2019 6:27pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Edit to that, Mike is quite intelligent, can respond – especially with history.
      Makes me think – is he Michael Cullen?????
      
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      August 19, 2019 6:30pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Take a breath there young Steve and exhale slowly 😉
        
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        August 19, 2019 6:35pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        is he Michael Cullen?????
        
        Absolutely not.
        
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        August 19, 2019 6:50pm
    - stephieboy
      
      “Hate almost everything”???
      
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      August 19, 2019 6:49pm
  - Tall Man
    
    “And who discusses the size of underwear worn by 65 year-old matrons?”
    
    Men lucky enough to have them in their lives Maggy…. 🙂
    
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    August 19, 2019 6:34pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I don’t think the hubby has ever discussed my underwear with me.
      
      But why would an anonymous commenter on this blog ask a 65 year-old married woman to reveal details about the size of her underwear in a public forum?
      Was it to embarass me?
      Was it to harass me?
      Was it to titillate himself?
      
      Would you want your wife’s/ grandmother’s/ daughter’s underwear habitats discussed here on KB?
      
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      August 19, 2019 9:02pm
- stephieboy
  
  Nostradamus,
  
  “There are many examples of harassment and slimy innuendo (by you directed at Maggy) in the Kiwiblog archives.’
  
  “Many examples “? Such as?
  
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  August 19, 2019 6:46pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Don’t be stupid Ralph
    You’ve been shown many times.
    
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    August 19, 2019 7:27pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Actually here’s a link to lots from within this thread
      https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/08/general_debate_19_august_2019.html/comment-page-1#comment-2542135
      
      Now go on. Deny all of that. Wonder what people at St Albans would think of it?
      
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      August 19, 2019 7:39pm
      - Tall Man
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxWTDcP9Y5E
        
        https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/40808/are-more-people-killed-with-hammers-than-with-guns-in-the-us
        
        Now, as a disclaimer to our “sensitive” mods I am not advocating retribution by anything stronger than a butterfly… or a snowflake in the middle of winter.
        
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        August 19, 2019 7:51pm
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Red , asking MW questions is not permisible?
        
        Why ?
        
        Wonder what people at St Alban’s would think of it?
        
        They don’t care a toss!
        
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        August 19, 2019 9:02pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        asking MW questions is not permisible?
        
        Have you forgotten the abuse you have delivered at me.. calling me mad, deranged?
        
        Have you forgotten that you have labelled me as being Alt-right?
        
        I don’t appreciate your abuse, your lies, your harassment, and your constant need to attach slimy comments to my posts.
        
        But as you persist in displaying this perverse behaviour, I will continue to bore Kiwiblog readers witless by recalling examples of your harassment.
        
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        August 19, 2019 9:33pm
    - stephieboy
      
      You’ve been shown many times.
      
      For example!
      
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      August 19, 2019 9:05pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Look two posts above dumbass
        God, you’re such a disgrace
        
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        August 19, 2019 9:27pm
      - Nookin
        
        Stephieboy, I very infrequently comment on other commenters but I am driven to the view that you have an unhealthy and pitiful obsession with Maggie. Don’t be disingenuous and ask for examples. If you were honest with yourself you would know immediately what Maggie and others complain about. Threads are littered with examples. Sure you cop a whole truck load of flack but, rightly or wrongly, that’s what happens to trolls who drop into a bear cave looking for trouble.
        Time for you to engage in a bit of self-reflection.
        
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        August 20, 2019 6:52am
Hugh Pavletich

… A most interesting read …

What antibiotics are doing to your gut – and how your body can fight back … UK Telegraph

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/health-fitness/body/antibiotics-gut-body-can-fight-back/
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August 19, 2019 6:16pm
Tall Man

Come on DPF – get the mods to pull their collective fingers out 😉

It like having a conversation when one party ………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………… Passes out!
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August 19, 2019 6:48pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Time to head over to YSB.
  
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  August 19, 2019 7:34pm
  - Tall Man
    
    I’ve been whitewashed again… 😉
    
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    August 19, 2019 8:16pm
Hugh Pavletich

HONG KONG PROTESTS …

Hong Kong billionaire tycoons call for end to protests as unrest affects their profits – ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-19/hong-kong-billionaires-tire-of-protests-as-they-lose-money/11426568

Hong Kong’s property tycoons are hurting, the share market is tanking and the tourism sector has taken a beating as the pro-democracy movement continues to strangle the city. … read more via hyperlink above …
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Hong Kong protests: Huge crowds rally peacefully – BBC News

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-49386298

Some 1.7 million take part in 11th week of Hong Kong protests … CNN News

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hong-kong-protests-1-7-million-protesters-march-victoria-park-latest-updates-today-2019-08-18/
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August 19, 2019 7:57pm
sooty

Come on DPF, mods ban the little pervert!
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August 19, 2019 8:51pm
- stephieboy
  
  sooty,
  
  light a candle.
  
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  August 19, 2019 9:13pm

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