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KiWombat

I just cannot believe what a bunch of imbeciles our media have become. Last week they not only advertised the contents of packages washes up on West Auckland beaches, they actually showed photos so that punters would know what to look for. No wonder that there was a traffic jam leading to those beaches the following day.

Then last evening I saw Newshub advertising what the other keys on the keyring of that stolen Police Car in Gore were for – so now I suppose we will have to pay to have locks on their safes changed.

What a bunch of incompetent morons !
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August 16, 2019 8:00am
- peterwn
  
  Several years ago a TV cameraman in UK somehow got a close up shot of a bunch of prison keys. It cost a fortune to change the locks. Someone asked quite rightly why the TV channel was not sent the bill.
  
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  August 16, 2019 8:15am
- Sacha
  
  To be fair – the police shouldn’t be telling everyone about their departmental business. They are throwing away their authority by trying to become friends, like some feeble parents who abjure authority over their children because they really want to be friends first, not authority figures.
  Doesn’t work.
  
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  August 16, 2019 10:36am
  - KiWombat
    
    There is some truth in that Sacha, but I believe that the MSM should have at least a modicum of social conscience, but less and less that seems to be the case.
    
    We can now appreciate why Donald Trump controls his own media releases because he releases the fanfare he desires without all the media spin !
    
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    August 16, 2019 11:15am
    - kowtow
      
      ” the MSM should have at least a modicum of social conscience, ”
      
      Bwa hahahaa.
      
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      August 16, 2019 12:08pm
Maggie Pie

My partner retweets:

WTF?!!
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EB-OHbaU4AEM7SV?format=jpg&name=medium
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August 16, 2019 8:03am
- alex Masterley
  
  Oh dear, that is not something that can be unseen.
  I think I need industrial strength mind bleach.
  
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  August 16, 2019 8:19am
- hullkiwi
  
  Says it all about PriNZess if that is the company she keeps.
  
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  August 16, 2019 8:23am
  - sooty
    
    No wonder there is a rapist and sexual deviate in her own office!
    What kind of parties does she have?
    
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    August 16, 2019 8:31am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Mp’s were once vetted for character and competence by voters. It was called FPP. A hardcore associate, or an inkling of one would never have got through that voter mesh.
      
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      August 16, 2019 12:11pm
- burt
  
  Dressed up ready to mow the lawns then go fishing.
  
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  August 16, 2019 8:35am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Hasn’t the First Fisherman also been known to dress in similar attire?
    
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    August 16, 2019 11:23am
- dubya
  
  I will never understand Grey Lynn, and I don’t want to.
  
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  August 16, 2019 9:05am
  - alex Masterley
    
    I have a motorway between me and Grey Lynn, which is quite a relief.
    
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    August 16, 2019 9:36am
    - dubya
      
      Not for much longer if Julie Ann has anything to do with it!
      
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      August 16, 2019 9:49am
      - sooty
        
        Motorway is as good as a razor wire fence.
        
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        August 16, 2019 12:18pm
- Raphael
  
  I see that, and I raise you this:
  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7353967/Did-Jeffrey-Epstein-portrait-Bill-Clinton-blue-dress-red-heels-NYC-mansion.html
  
  https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/08/14/22/17289660-7353967-image-a-26_1565818437820.jpg
  
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  August 16, 2019 9:26am
  - softail 1450
    
    Raphael, Bill in a little blue dress looks better than his “creature”of a wife Hillary would in the same dress thats for sure ,Septicboy will be taking a screenshot and having it blown up and hung in pride of place in his bathroom……
    
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    August 16, 2019 10:00am
  - Ed Snack
    
    I understand that this is a riff on Clinton and Monica Lewinsky – it’s a piss-take on Clinton.
    
    Recall it was the “little blue dress” that was analysed and DNA from Clinton recovered from it that was conclusive evidence that despite his denials WJC did have some form of sex with ML.
    
    I don’t think Epstein had a great regard for Clinton, it may have been an in-joke between them but it isn’t something that I reckon WJC would be really able to laugh at much – it’s pretty pointed.
    
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    August 16, 2019 12:02pm
    - Raphael
      
      It still something I need mind bleach for after seeing.
      
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      August 16, 2019 12:52pm
- Tall Man
  
  Explains why she has to wear “boots” all the time… she’s always wading through shit.
  
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  August 16, 2019 9:47am
John Warren

I don’t think Jacinda has many friends in Australia. Some are a little less forthright than Alan Jones, but the sentiments are the same:

https://youtu.be/-cbzpYXIdFA
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August 16, 2019 8:03am
- Poppa
  
  Once again her mouth runs away with her only to embarrass us on the world stage
  
  Maybe all that fairy dust has got into her brain
  
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  August 16, 2019 8:18am
  - sooty
    
    Maybe it’s not fairy dust she’s covered in, but lawnmower dust!
    
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    August 16, 2019 8:33am
    - freethinker
      
      Would that be white dust – asking for a friend whose best friend is currently unavailable.
      
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      August 16, 2019 9:43am
  - Scooter
    
    https://youtu.be/Nv7qh_XL_yM
    
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    August 16, 2019 7:27pm
- hullkiwi
  
  Nobody seems to have told Jacinda that it is counterproductive to upset one of NZ’s major trading partners and allie while grandstanding with a bunch of nations you will be expected to supply aid to, forever.
  
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  August 16, 2019 8:21am
  - Jules99
    
    The only key ally and trading partner she hasn’t offended yet is Britain, but give it time.
    
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    August 16, 2019 8:43am
- alloytoo
  
  He’s also dead right when he says we’re sick of her too.
  
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  August 16, 2019 8:24am
- godruelf
  
  Well said Peta Credlin
  
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  August 16, 2019 8:33am
- igm
  
  Shown up for what she is: unwanted, unintelligent, unelected, and a downright disgrace to the office of PM!
  Thanks Winston — may you never rest in peace.
  
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  August 16, 2019 8:36am
  - hullkiwi
    
    As someone said to me yesterday, in 2017 NZ had a coup whereby 7% Winson took it upon himself to determine who the government of NZ would be for the next 3 years. And what was worse nobody questioned his authority to do so.
    
    When National come back to power they must fix the anomaly of minor parties choosing the government.
    
    Also Winston is toxic, and National must do its utmost to eliminate him next year!
    
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    August 16, 2019 9:08am
- Straight arrow
  
  Why most media in Australia and NZ have, correctly, commented that Ardern has backed Pacific nations against Australia re climate change, our friends at ABC ran the following headline:
  “NZ caught between Australia and Pacific nations on coal issue.”
  This implies NZ is a neutral party.
  
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  August 16, 2019 10:15am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Aren’t they the parents of the BBC?
    
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    August 16, 2019 12:14pm
kowtow

last night both tv “news” stood at the same place in Tuvalu and pointed to a sea side shack and claimed the sea flooded it . No explanation , no science . Just emotion and sea levels , plus a good dose of white guilt.

There’s plenty of evidence , easily accessed to show that Tuvalu’s problems are local man made environmental problems and not climate change or Ozzies mining coal.

‘What, then, could be behind the flooding problem? Hilia believes the answer may have more to do with land than sea. In particular, with manmade changes that started in the 1940s, when Funafuti was turned into an “anchored aircraft carrier” ‘

https://www.nzgeo.com/stories/tuvalu/

And.

The human-induced coastal erosion in the tropic Pacific oceanic islands has the following features. 1) Erosion occurs or intensifies immediately after inappropriate human activities. 2) It occurs near the places having human activities and places related to the above places in sediment supply. 3) It often occurs on original prograding or stable coasts (on lagoon coasts for atolls) because there are more coastal engineering projects and other human activities on such coasts. 4) It is chronic, covering a long period of time. The coastal geological events in Tuvalu islands do not accord with the features resulted from sea level rise but do accord with the features resulted from coastal erosion, particularly from human-induced erosion. The land loss in Tuvalu is mainly caused by inappropriate human activities including coastal engineering and aggregate mining, and partly caused by cyclones. Moreover, all recent measurements (satellite altimetry, thermosteric sea level data and tide observations) so far have not been able to verify any sea level rise around Tuvalu islands.”

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11802-005-0004-8
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August 16, 2019 8:12am
- Tall Man
  
  Didn’t the Auckland University study indicate rising land levels?
  
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  August 16, 2019 9:45am
  - G152
    
    Universities have so many lay abouts laying about it requires them to produce something every few years or they get ejected.
    So climate change or Global warming or climate emergency are subjects where they can safely rant without censure because their ivory tower time span is shorter than their ‘We’re all going to die’ scenario
    
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    August 16, 2019 11:03am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Yes,
    It is Prof. Kench’s work
    
    of all 101 islands in Tuvalu, over the past four decades (1971–2014), a period in which local sea level has risen at twice the global average (Supplementary Note 2). Surprisingly, we show that all islands have changed and that the dominant mode of change has been island expansion, which has increased the land area of the nation.
    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-02954-1
    
    https://www.auckland.ac.nz/en/news/2019/07/16/pacific-atolls-can-adapt-to-rising-seas-and-extreme-storms—new.html
    
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    August 16, 2019 12:23pm
- septic skeptic
  
  Bottom line: we are misled or lied to so frequently about AGW that a simple skeptic like me now just assumes it’s all lies.
  AGW = Anthropomorphic Global Warming ?
  
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  August 16, 2019 11:02am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Seas flood sea side shacks world wide. Tides sweep over Kiribati almost daily. If you parked your Daimler on many beaches it may be drowned by evening. Tides have seasons too and you may escape one but not another. Difficult growing crops when tides dump salt water regularly.
  
  Kiribati is always complaining about global warning but they have 5x the population than they once had. The main island is barely human height above sea level. The land area has been compressed so fresh water is very scarce. Their lagoon is also the toilet.
  They also have water rationing, as the equator has its own seasons, and droughts.
  
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  August 16, 2019 12:24pm
JibberJabber

A great quote from the Cult of Ardern FB page.

. If next week it was woke to have square wheels to fight ‘Round wheel bias’…. she would stand up in the UN and Advocate square wheels and would allocate millions of Tax slave dollars subsidizing square wheels </blockquote.
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August 16, 2019 8:14am
Swifty

I’ve read a number of times KBers volunteering that they are immigrants. For those who are relatively recent and wish a better understanding of the ‘Fortress NZ’ years and the 1984-90 Labour Government’s heroic response – then I could do no better than invite you to see the following multi-part documentary ‘Revolution’.

Part 1 here, and with the subsequent parts also on YouTube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZXpeUQ0tD8

Thoroughly recommended.
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August 16, 2019 8:15am
Yvette

Davis should offer his resignation

Davis has admitted – Tarrant tried to send nine letters while in solitary confinement, two of which were withheld. He successfully sent two to this mother and five to unknown recipients.

Of those five “unknown” recipients, one was “Alan” in Russia, which, posted on website 4chan caused the current controversy, leaving four addressees unknown to Davis, and one of those letters being deemed “unsuitable”.

Davis claims holding a prisoner such as Tarrant is a unique situation and
Davis claims new law is needed.

Both of these statements are surely proven as untrue in that of the nine letters mentioned, two were withheld.
It is not a lack of appropriate law, but that the existing law was not consistently applied. That simple. Davis compounds the mistakes by claiming otherwise.

[ The Corrections Act states that a prison manager may withhold mail between a prisoner and another person if it could “endanger the safety or welfare of any person, or incite any criminal act” ]

Since March 15, there have already been attacks by gunmen who said Tarrant inspired them, with incidents at a synagogue in California, a Walmart in El Paso, and this week at a mosque in Norway.
So the threat is real – leading Davis to apologise to the world for the letter.
“I’m very sorry that this has happened – absolutely,” Davis said when asked for an apology.

Can you apologise “to the world” and not offer your resignation?

But would Ardern, who so many have petitioned to be nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize, not look so good if she did not accept such a resignation?

Kelvin should also go for making Ardern’s “Christchurch Call” trip to France to discuss with Macron the prevention of the spread of terrorism via the Internet look rather silly since Tarrant has still done this through snail mail.

“Some times things happen” – the brilliant observation of Willie Jackson in defence of Davis.
Not yet, Willie. Kelvin is still there.
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August 16, 2019 8:18am
- The King
  
  i just read the LETTER OF DOOM. And of course i’m highly disappointed.
  
  Complete nothing burger.
  
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  August 16, 2019 9:01am
  - Straight arrow
    
    I agree, apart from the last line of Tarrant’s letter. That line is the problem, and the reason the letter should of been stopped. It sort of looks okay, but combined with the manifesto is an incitement to violence.
    
    My question would be, do those who are censoring his mail have access to his manifesto, and do they understand the codes that are used? I would suggest that experts in this field be co-opted to screen letters, and not just leave it to Corrections staff.
    
    No new law needed. It happened, let’s learn from it and move on.
    
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    August 16, 2019 10:04am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Simple–Tarrant has set himself up as model so everything he does is potentially hazardous. All communications should be denied.
      Tarrant may not have been tried yet but his manifesto and his own live streamed video speak to the Court of Public Opinion. If further law is needed a small strengthening of the present may be adequate.
      His actions are so far outside what our laws were written for that he is a special case and that may require urgent changes to deal with that.
      
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      August 16, 2019 12:36pm
    - The King
      
      “Enjoy life, but do not forget your duty for your people” is hardly an incitement to violence, it wouldn’t stand in any court. Too many variables.
      
      But sure go ahead keep censoring him, i’m sure that will work out fine….
      
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      August 16, 2019 3:46pm
- chaos
  
  Na he shouldn’t resign, can’t blame him for corrections allowing these letters to be posted, can however investigate why they were allowed through and take action from there. Should mps really be fired simply because someone in a department they have never meet or talked do stuffed up because if the answer is yes then mps from all governments would be fired.
  
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  August 16, 2019 9:12am
  - Tall Man
    
    I disagree.
    
    He is paid the big bucks to set the tone and direction of his department.
    
    “Oversight” carries a high degree of responsibility and if the idiot is not providing “oversight” then WTF is he doing?
    
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    August 16, 2019 9:40am
    - G152
      
      No-one to replace him would be my guess.
      
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      August 16, 2019 11:04am
    - Pheobe
      
      That’s true. Denis Marshall resigned over cave creek and I’m pretty sure he didn’t hammer in any of those nails.
      
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      August 16, 2019 2:31pm
    - MCos
      
      In that case all those fifteen people at Fonterra on a million dollar salary should resign forthwith.
      Bloody cow cockies must be fuming right now!
      Never mind the millions the taxpayers have forked out for Mycoplasma bovis plague because of apparent inadequate record keeping.
      Nobody has fallen on their sword for that.
      At least the woman in charge of Stats
      
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      August 16, 2019 2:38pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Fonterra’s issues are for their board to sort out and while we may generate some of their profits they are not answerable to us although as customers we do have “choice”.
        
        The arseholes in the coalition are answerable to us and while they may think they only have to “step up” every three years they are wrong and they need to be held to “account” for their arrogance and ineptitude.
        
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        August 16, 2019 3:04pm
      - MCos
        
        If the shit really hits the fan at Fonterra the government will have to bail them out.
        They are our biggest company and generate huge export receipts.
        Too many eggs in one basket.
        In that respect who happens there is very much a concern of all of us.
        
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        August 16, 2019 7:17pm
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    Yes they should, and yes they all should, and ’tis a consummation devoutly to be wished.
    
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    August 16, 2019 10:31am
Yvette

Ihumātao
“If she doesn’t take up our invitation on Thursday, 22 August we will march from Ihumātao to her office in Mt Albert Auckland to hand deliver our new petition” – Pania Newton

Its been three weeks since protesters were served an eviction notice by police.
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August 16, 2019 8:26am
- kowtow
  
  ‘Its been three weeks since protesters were served an eviction notice by police.’
  
  Is that a court issued notice and if it is what’s happened to that quaint old notion of the rule of law in New Zealand ?
  
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  August 16, 2019 8:33am
  - sooty
    
    Seems as though if you have a friendly police officer on your side, some things don’t count!
    
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    August 16, 2019 8:42am
  - freethinker
    
    NZ Law doesn’t seem to apply to “The Special People” when it suits a political agenda and the top cop goes “Bush”
    
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    August 16, 2019 9:49am
  - rockape
    
    Replaced by the Law of Hugs!
    
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    August 16, 2019 9:54am
    - kowtow
      
      Law of Thugs.
      
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      August 16, 2019 12:10pm
- alex Masterley
  
  It is roughly 17 kilometers from Ihumato to the PMs electorate office on New North Road.
  A five hour walk?
  And in the rain according to the long term forcast.
  I will believe it when I see it.
  
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  August 16, 2019 8:45am
  - dubya
    
    Someone fire up the Mazda Bongo!
    
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    August 16, 2019 9:15am
  - Tall Man
    
    “Symbolic walking” please…… It’s aspirational don’tcha know.
    
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    August 16, 2019 9:38am
  - softail 1450
    
    alex, it will be a longer walk than that when you configure in the KFC,welfare offices, and liquor wholesale stops……
    
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    August 16, 2019 10:25am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    That would be via the motorway though, wouldn’t it Alex? I can’t see the protesters getting a permit to march along the Southwest.
    
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    August 16, 2019 11:25am
    - reubee
      
      Theres a walkway underneath the new Mangere Bridge. Very doable walk no permit required.
      
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      August 16, 2019 1:17pm
    - Paulus
      
      Permission does not rank in their understanding.
      They are different don’t ya know !
      
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      August 16, 2019 1:42pm
    - pdm
      
      What actually happens is they take buses to a couple of blocks away and then walk for the TV cameras.
      
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      August 16, 2019 8:14pm
- Nigel Kearney
  
  Eviction notices should not be required when the owner never gave permission for them to be on the property in the first place.
  
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  August 16, 2019 9:34am
  - rangitoto
    
    Yes. Should be a trespass notice.
    
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    August 16, 2019 10:20am
- MrLovebucket
  
  Bulldoze their crap and change the locks while they are gone.
  
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  August 16, 2019 9:35am
  - sooty
    
    They will leave mountains of crap behind and shouldb e charged for the removal of it!
    
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    August 16, 2019 12:25pm
    - Yvette
      
      On sacred ground?
      
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      August 16, 2019 12:47pm
Poppa

My God you have to laugh…..3 pies Woods is heading the Labour election campaign

Just think of all those meetings with catering brought in
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August 16, 2019 8:27am
- sooty
  
  My word that was a quick response to Paula running Nationals!
  
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  August 16, 2019 8:38am
  - sooty
    
    Just as well the sex camp boys court case is in a couple of weeks as you would not want that cutting into the election run up!
    
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    August 16, 2019 8:45am
- Tall Man
  
  Probably not much less than 200 working groups….
  
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  August 16, 2019 9:36am
secondcumming

*Jeffrey Epstein’s* autopsy report seems to have gone very quiet?
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August 16, 2019 8:28am
- hullkiwi
  
  It was reported last night that the autopsy found several broken bones in his neck.
  
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  August 16, 2019 8:46am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Including the hyoid bone in the throat, which is far more commonly broken in cases of manual strangulation.
    
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    August 16, 2019 9:01am
    - Tall Man
      
      Or a wide ligature like a bed sheet used as a “rope”.
      
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      August 16, 2019 9:32am
      - Not Sure
        
        Body weight, drop, acceleration, etc, etc…
        
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        August 16, 2019 11:19am
      - sooty
        
        Deep throat?
        
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        August 16, 2019 12:26pm
  - Scott
    
    Latest reports have credible concerns that this was a murder by strangulation rather than suicide. The broken bones are more often associated with murder as opposed to suicide. Also concerns that could Epstein have hung himself while kneeling at his bunk bed? It seems very hard to imagine that the survival instinct wouldn’t kick in?
    
    This whole story is getting stranger and stranger.
    
    https://www.foxnews.com/media/jeffrey-epstein-suicide-homicide-suspicious
    
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    August 16, 2019 2:31pm
- Bell-47
  
  Neck bones broken in a manner “inconsistent” with assumed cause of death. I’d be interested in the contents of the safe in his Manhattan mansion.
  
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  August 16, 2019 8:48am
- Scott
  
  According to Rudy Giuliani who has extensive knowledge of the New York prison system, there are cameras everywhere. So the authorities should quickly be able to ascertain who went in and out of Jeffrey Epstein’s cell door. So they should be able to tell if anyone had the opportunity to murder him or not?
  
  But it does seem either very suspicious or very incompetent that the most high profile prisoner in America right now was allowed to commit suicide? That he was not checked for several hours. That he was not on suicide watch. That he had no cellmate, which has been proven to reduce the likelihood of suicide.
  
  Some of my friends who love conspiracy theories are convinced that Jeffrey Epstein was murdered. I will withhold judgement but surely the facts will come out.
  
  On a lighter note, the satirical site the Babylon bee has an excellent take on Jeffrey Epstein and the link with the Clintons –
  
  “A note from the editorial board at The Babylon Bee:
  
  A number of people have questioned our love for Hillary Clinton based on some satirical pieces published on our site recently.
  
  We would like to clear things up by saying that Hillary Clinton is an upstanding citizen and a very fine human being. She is of excellent character. She would never hurt anyone. The people who wrote those jokes, headlines, and pieces that seemed to criticize Hillary have been dealt with.
  
  Some conspiracy theories have been going around about the Clintons, and we think that’s just despicable. Deplorable, really. From Bill’s time in the White House all the way through Hillary’s spotless record as Secretary of State, the Clintons have served this country with honor and not a hint of scandal. For people to suggest they are so powerful and sinister to kill those who might expose some non-existent “wrongdoings” in their past is treason, really.
  
  Above all, we want to make sure Hillary does not question our loyalty to her and the whole Clinton family. We have nothing bad to say about her. Also, just to be clear, we have no dirt or inside information on her whatsoever and nothing would be gained by our untimely deaths.
  
  So, Hillary, we love you! Please do not hurt us.”
  
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  August 16, 2019 9:10am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Forbes are reportning that Jeff was allowed to spend time with a pretty young female prison visitor just a day after his first suicide attempt 🙂
  
  https://twitter.com/joncoopertweets/status/1162106472534331392
  
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  August 16, 2019 9:36am
- marcw
  
  It has been reported that while the medical examiner was on his lunch break that Jeffrey Epstein cremated himself. The ME has apologised, and promised to be more careful when the next ~~Arkancide~~ unfathomable and unbelievable case is referred for ~~whitewash~~ covering up. He said “I know how Kelvin feels, sometimes you just don’t understand how to do things right.”
  
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  August 16, 2019 9:38am
G152

Hamilton City Council doesn’t buy the ‘Global Emergency ‘ BS from the paid harbinger of doom.
Much reference to how he’s correct and every-one else is wrong.
This BS has been going on since the 60s.
All the dire predictions have never come to fruition.
Look for example at the sea level rise claims.
They do not realise or are hiding the fact that the billions of liters of water to raise the level one millimeter world wide will require as much again to raise the level another millimeter.
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August 16, 2019 8:30am
- sooty
  
  I thought the river at Hamilton is in a valley?
  
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  August 16, 2019 8:40am
- Bell-47
  
  It never sat well with me that we could potentially become a “water world”. Many examples in nature show a decline in water such as the deserts and other drought stricken area’s that seem to get ever larger. There are other considerations that may have more impact on any rise of sea level that are probably more dangerous. Volcanic activity for one can produce mountains from the depths of the ocean and has indeed over time, created our fair shores. Displacement of water/the ocean is a more credible source of any rise in level. Which brings me to another displacement issue. If it is the sea ice or so called permanent ice cap, mostly covering oceans that is melting, it has already displaced it’s own mass that also contains air so once melted the volume would be less that the displaced water in essence creating a shift downwards of the water level. I see no consideration of this in any “climate change” speak.. Is my logic somehow flawed or is Archimedes incorrect?
  
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  August 16, 2019 8:59am
  - SGA
    
    If it is the sea ice or so called permanent ice cap, mostly covering oceans that is melting,
    
    Not an expert, but in Antartica there are also huge glaciers that sit atop land (I imagine that there is a bit of that in Greenland too).
    
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    August 16, 2019 9:49am
    - Bell-47
      
      “The Antarctic continent is surrounded by ice shelves. They cover >1.561 million km2 (an area the size of Greenland), fringing 75% of Antarctica’s coastline, covering 11% of its total area and receiving 20% of its snow.”
      
      So if 1.5M km2 melted, given there is quite a lot of trapped gas the actual water mass would be much less than the total combined volume. Add to that it is “floating” means it already forms part of the sea water mass. In other words, if it melted, nothing would happen at all. Glacial ice on the other hand would contribute to the existing water mass. The point is, I don’t think it is often mentioned that the very significant area’s of shelf ice attached to land and the accompanying sea ice would not contribute to the rise in sea level. Most who have swallowed the AGW hoax just include it by default.
      
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      August 16, 2019 11:17am
      - SGA
        
        “The Antarctic continent is surrounded by ice shelves. They cover >1.561 million km2 (an area the size of Greenland), fringing 75% of Antarctica’s coastline, covering 11% of its total area and receiving 20% of its snow.”
        
        Or, to put your figures another way, 89% of Antartica’s area is land upon which 80% of the snow falls thus forming massive glacial sheets (I presume). If you are worried about poles melting, that seems more of a consideration than the permanent sea ice? But as I say, I’m no expert.
        
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        August 16, 2019 11:55am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      The total volume of Greenland’s ice sheet is about 2,900,000 km3.
      
      Every summer (about 2months long) there is a loss of melt ice from Greenland’s Glaciers… every autumn & winter there is a build-up of ice. Over the decades of the last few centuries, there have been times when the Greenland Ice massif is growing and times when the ice retreats a bit….
      https://www.carbonbrief.org/guest-post-how-the-greenland-ice-sheet-fared-in-2018
      
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      August 16, 2019 11:33am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        https://i1.wp.com/wattsupwiththat.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/greenland-total-ice-mass.png?w=685&ssl=1
        
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        August 16, 2019 2:33pm
  - thetiedarch
    
    That’s actually a really good point.
    
    Over the last 100 years or so, humans have built (& sunk) thousands of ships, reclaimed a lot of coastal land, dumped tonnes of trash into the ocean, earthquakes have lifted land out of the sea (and lowered), volcanoes have created mountains, tectonic plates have shifted up/down/left/right, etc etc.
    
    The people who track sea level rise over the last however long – I wonder if they’d accounted for all of that – and I’d love to see proof.
    
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    August 16, 2019 10:02am
    - Bell-47
      
      How much land has been reclaimed over the last 100 years? Almost all of Singapore, large amounts in Hong Kong and parts of Dubai. Many more examples that if taken into consideration may provide some surprising results.
      
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      August 16, 2019 11:21am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      All that is inconsequential next to water movement from land to ocean – 2-300km³ of water pumped from aquifers, more from drained wetlands, some being stored behind dams. Estimated to account for about 25%-50% of total sea level rise (depending on if you believe satellite measures or tide gauges)
      
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      August 16, 2019 12:04pm
      - Bell-47
        
        Also an excellent point.
        
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        August 16, 2019 12:43pm
Maggie Pie

And talking of things that can’t be unseen –

The ‘Daily Mail UK’ is reporting that FBI agents have discovered a panting of Bill Clinton hanging inside Jeffery Epstiens’s $56 million Manhatten mansion.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EB9TmoNWsAUcai9?format=jpg&name=900×900
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August 16, 2019 8:48am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Not just any painting, but Bill doesn’t really have the legs to carry off that dress.
  
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  August 16, 2019 9:00am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    I wonder if there was a ‘Basic Instinct’ moment?
    
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    August 16, 2019 9:24am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Thanks for helping me lose weight Maggie. Just the thought of that has put me off food for the rest of the month 😀
      
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      August 16, 2019 11:27am
      - Tall Man
        
        But there’s whiskey 😉
        
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        August 16, 2019 3:10pm
- Tall Man
  
  He has more style than “you know who”………….
  
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  August 16, 2019 9:29am
  - stephieboy
    
    Donald Trump?
    
    https://www.businessinsider.com.au/trump-stuck-his-face-in-rudy-guilianis-chest-in-2000-drag-comedy-skit-2018-5?r=US&IR=T
    
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    August 16, 2019 10:12am
    - chaos
      
      Yeah, Donald knows humour and how to work a crowd, unlike bill who seems to only know how to sexually assault woman and make peoples murder look like suicide, no wonder you like him, he’s everything you wish labour would be to cover up their growing list of rapes and sexual abuse
      
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      August 16, 2019 10:39am
      - Batman
        
        Donald inflames the crowd’s base instincts and tells them what they want to hear, regardless of any facts involved.
        
        Easy to do when you’re preaching to a crowd of true believers and idiot QAnon followers.
        
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        August 16, 2019 10:49am
      - chaos
        
        And yet the crowds are more intelligent than those who go to the labour and green events in nz. Having watched one of Donald’s events, the amount of military people who go to them I am sure are more intelligent than people like yourself. I’ve heard to see very many people at his events with lots of q signs, it is a small amount of people, but the. Again the office you post from is all for lies and distortion. Are you allowed on the computer when you boss is in the pacific islands giving money away
        
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        August 16, 2019 11:45am
      - sooty
        
        You still here!
        I was hoping that you would be banned!
        Stalker!
        
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        August 16, 2019 12:30pm
      - Batman
        
        Lol sure thing chaos, I’m a Nat and worked for that government.
        
        But sure, keep on trying to paint me as a stardust staffer ??
        
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        August 16, 2019 2:50pm
voltaire

A question for the legal eagles out there…if a person was convicted of say three plus murders on the same day and each murder was a separate charge would then the second and third charges fall under the three strikes rule ????
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August 16, 2019 9:03am
- Tall Man
  
  It’s irrelevant as “that” person will only ever be given a spell of home “D” without access to his laptop and 100 hours of “community service” at a local rifle range as angry andy says “rehabilitation” really works and we don’t want someone like this at “it” again.
  
  Now, who were we talking about again?
  
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  August 16, 2019 9:28am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  No because you can’t have a second strike until you’ve been given a first strike warning, and the same for the third strike.
  
  But if it was three murders the maximum sentence would be the same anyway.
  
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  August 16, 2019 9:39am
Maggie Pie

Just in:

‘New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Adhern is excited to announce successful
Free Trade Agreement with the island of Tuvalu.’

She was later heard to remark, “Stick that one up ya’ gunga, Scomo!”
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August 16, 2019 9:09am
- Tall Man
  
  Someone needs to tell her that a “charitable” donation of other people’s money to the tune of $150 million in exchange for an avalanche of welfare seeking “climate” refugees actually isn’t a “trade” agreement…… just make sure you use really really small words so the idiot isn’t “triggered”…
  
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  August 16, 2019 9:25am
- chaos
  
  Hopefully she can get a free trade agreement with Antartica, those penguins make the best potato chips.
  
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  August 16, 2019 9:27am
  - Tall Man
    
    Yeah but the little fuckers seem quite keen to hang on to them don’t they???????
    
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    August 16, 2019 9:50am
    - chaos
      
      Simple, we will invade them, teach them a lesson. Unless they are the 6ft penguins then we’re screwed
      
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      August 16, 2019 10:31am
Yvette

He who shall be nameless
New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has vowed never to utter Tarrant’s name in order to deny him the publicity she says he craves …

It is interesting how many reports now on Tarrant’s recent letter also mentions Ardern’s problem with uttering his name and so emphasising it in a manner totally counterproductive to her intention.

Most know – The “Streisand Effect” is a term coined after Barbara Streisand’s attempt in 2003 to suppress the photographs of her luxurious Malibu house.
But the figures are interesting – Before the $50 million lawsuit was registered, “Image 3850” had been downloaded from aerial photographer Kenneth Adelman’s website only six times, two being by Streisand’s lawyers. The following month, more than 420,000 people downloaded the picture.
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August 16, 2019 9:16am
- chaos
  
  She won’t utter his name because she can’t pronounce it more than likely..
  
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  August 16, 2019 9:26am
  - DigNap15
    
    Is is Tarrand?
    or
    Darrand?
    
    And it seems he’s getting lots of publicity!
    
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    August 16, 2019 11:57am
- Raphael
  
  Just refer to him as the Ecofasict of Christchurch, who inspired the Ecofacist of El Paso, who inspired the Communist/Socialist terrorist of Dayton.
  
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  August 16, 2019 9:33am
  - Ruahine
    
    What about Sri Lanka? Or perhaps that was just religious bigotry or even some peacemaking.
    
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    August 16, 2019 9:48am
  - stephieboy
    
    Simple formula, EcoFascist = Alt-right rabid right!
    
    Go to ch4’s fb page and look and think!
    
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    August 16, 2019 10:07am
    - rangitoto
      
      EcoFascist = Ctrl-Left Green
      
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      August 16, 2019 10:43am
    - Raphael
      
      From what I have seen Ecofascists seem to take the worst aspects of the far Right and the far Left and blend them into one.
      
      So labeling them “rabid alt-right” would be a misnomer at best.
      
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      August 16, 2019 11:18am
Maggie Pie

My partner’s mum was just saying it sounds like ZB’s Kerry Woodham has finally woken up the fact she has some serious competition from Peter Williams over on Magic.
Apparently already this morning she has ripped a couple of her male callers new ones 🙂
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August 16, 2019 9:54am
- godruelf
  
  Been listening to 2GB after 9 the last couple of days it’s been a lot more entertaining
  
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  August 16, 2019 11:02am
- DigNap15
  
  Yes I turn over to Magix Talk at exactly 9am.
  Peter is a good commonsense guy.
  
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  August 16, 2019 11:59am
- sooty
  
  Too little and seven years late!
  
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  August 16, 2019 12:33pm
Raphael

So a Russian pilot did an awesome job of safely crash landing a passenger jet after it’s engines got taken out with a bird strike (all passengers survived).

But this article is bizarre as the journalist seems to be upset that he has to write a positive article about Russia.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12259006
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August 16, 2019 9:55am
- thetiedarch
  
  Media these days can’t report even a good news story without finding someway to spin it as a personal crusade to ‘fix’ the world.
  
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  August 16, 2019 10:05am
- stephieboy
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Nothing positive??
  
  From your link,
  
  “At a time when good news seems hard to come by, Russians are hailing a pilot who safely landed an Airbus A321 in a cornfield Thursday after the airliner struck a flock of seagulls on takeoff and lost power in both engines.
  
  Fifty-five people who were aboard sought medical help, officials said.
  
  Damir Yusupov can take his place alongside Chesley “Sully” Sullenberger, who landed his US Airways plane in New York’s Hudson River in 2009 after a similar bird strike cut out its engines.
  
  “The Ural Airlines crew showed fantastic skill and endurance. The aircraft commander is Yekaterinburg [resident] Damir Yusupov. He and his team saved 233 lives. Heroes,” said the governor of the Sverdlovsk region, Yevgeny Kuyvashev, as reported by the Varlamov.ru website. The co-pilot was identified as Grigory Murzin…”.
  
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  August 16, 2019 10:10am
  - Raphael
    
    Good Lord, your reading comprehension is abysmal.
    
    I didn’t say the journalist wrote nothing positive, I said that the journalist seemed upset that he/she/it had to write something positive.
    
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    August 16, 2019 11:08am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Good Lord, your reading comprehension is abysmal.
      
      Some of us on KB have tried pointing this out to stephieboy, but to no avail.
      
      I’ve run out of suggestions to assist him with his problem.
      
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      August 16, 2019 11:15am
      - sooty
        
        Journalist was probably pissed the plane ate all of the birds! Bloody greenie!
        
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        August 16, 2019 12:35pm
      - Tall Man
        
        I have a suggestion for steffy girl but these damn moderators take all the fun away 😉
        
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        August 16, 2019 2:56pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  And talking of recent plane crashes:
  
  the Alpha Electro G2 plane is owned and operated by Avinor, Norway’s state-run airport operator, and was being flown by its chief executive, Dag Falk-Petersen, when it crashed. On the day of the incident, the CEO was in the process of giving flights to members of the Norwegian government, and junior government minister Aase Marthe Horrigmo was on board at the time. Both escaped from the crash unharmed.
  
  https://www.theverge.com/2019/8/15/20806776/norway-electric-plane-battery-crash-fjord-jet-fuel-avinor
  
  Good to see MPs walking the talk…
  
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  August 16, 2019 10:25am
  - stephieboy
    
    MW, your link includes this comment,
    
    “..
    Electrifying air travel is a challenging task. Compared to jet fuel, today’s batteries are incredibly heavy, which makes it difficult to equip a plane with enough power to liftoff without weighing it down. On a per weight basis, jet fuel gives around 43 times more energy than an equivalent battery. However, numerous companies are working to overcome these problems and to reduce air flight’s reliance on fossil fuels. These companies range from small startups like Lilium, which completed the first test of its five-seater aircraft earlier this year, to more established players like Airbus and Boeing.”
    
    Obviously, a technology in its early stages with lots of potentials!
    
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    August 16, 2019 10:31am
    - G152
      
      The ‘electric aeroplane has to land with the same weight as it took off with.
      This means a heavier and more robust landing gear.
      And the range is so ratshit no-one in their right mind would ever buy one
      
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      August 16, 2019 11:11am
      - Batman
        
        Aircraft carrier aircraft have just that sort of landing gear, so that is a problem which can be overcome I’m sure.
        
        But yes, right now they are a proof of concept and not a lot more. It would be cool to fly in one though, no massive volume just a whirring noise and soaring through the sky somewhat more like a bird than with a noisy engine!
        
        Then again, if I had my way, every small aircraft would have to be powered by a Merlin engine…
        
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        August 16, 2019 11:15am
    - alloytoo
      
      I doubt it, the energy potential of batteries is unlikely to come anywhere near the energy potential of Jet fuel on a Kg for Kg basis.
      
      add that to the fact that a flat battery weighs the same as a full one…..
      
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      August 16, 2019 1:00pm
stephieboy

‘We have a giggle’: Muslim farmer laughs off racist response to Country Calendar episode

The first Muslim farmer to appear on Country

Calendar is brushing off racist reactions to Sunday’s episode.
“We have a giggle, it doesn’t worry us at all, not even one iota,” Reza-Abdul Jabbar told Stuff.

“We’re big boys, we can handle that” he laughed.

The episode, titled “Going Places”, followed Jabbar, who moved to New Zealand from Indonesia aged 17 and now owns two farms and and three run-off blocks in Southland. He was also an Imam at his local mosque.

“I’m wearing many hats, me as the local Imam, me as a muslim, and me as a father and as a dairy farmer.”

Jabbar said viewers couldn’t fault his farming abilities nor his family, so they chose to attack his faith. But he viewed this as proof the Muslim community needed to do more to inform these people. “Clearly they are misinformed,” he said.… “

Julain O’Brien ( Shows Producer ) explained the “flurry of racist comments” on social media came from a “small handful of people who seem intent on spreading negativity and hatred”…”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv-radio/114994847/country-calendar-producer-calls-racist-comments-about-muslim-farmer-episode-narrowminded-and-ignorant

Note “Small Minority” !!!
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August 16, 2019 10:06am
- Maggie Pie
  
  We watched that last Sunday stephie.
  My partner was wondering where they got the keyholder thing they had on their kitchen wall 🙂
  
  https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DnzuWG6WkAED3M6.jpg
  
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  August 16, 2019 10:44am
  - sooty
    
    Mine would have the hooks on the end of breasts
    
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    August 16, 2019 12:38pm
- Scott
  
  Thanks for your post on this Stephieboy. What I would say is that the Muslim farmer was given a very warm glowing treatment by the country calendar crowd.
  But here is the thing. Should we open heartedly accept lots of Muslims coming into our community? With their strange religion and strange customs?
  
  It’s not that I have anything against them in particular. But I prefer our own people and our own customs. I just like New Zealand the way it is. I don’t want us to become a Muslim country.
  
  Why can’t New Zealand remain New Zealand? I guess it comes back to what sort of country we want to be? Do we want to be global citizens of some multicultural melting pot where everybody comes in and somehow we think it’s all going to work out swell?
  
  Or are we a specific country with our own character and our own civilisation that needs to be safeguarded? Do we love our country as it is? Do we love the people that we have?
  
  For me I would hate to see us change into a Muslim country or a semi-Muslim country. I think about this from a Christian point of view. I think about this from a desire to see the country I love to prosper and grow and retain its particular character.
  
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  August 16, 2019 11:02am
  - Ross12
    
    Firstly I think this is the second time Country Calendar has had this farmer on.
    
    I have no problems with them as immigrants. They are hard working and are achieving great results. I think they have assimilated well. Given some of things I saw and heard him say on the program I would describe him as a flexible Muslim –he did not adhere strictly to some Muslim ideas.
    
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    August 16, 2019 11:45am
    - sooty
      
      How many work?
      How many are bennies?
      
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      August 16, 2019 12:39pm
      - Ross12
        
        I was referring to the farmer and his wife when I wrote “I have no problems with them as immigrants”.
        
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        August 16, 2019 2:02pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Ross12, flexible ideas? Like my Iranian neighbour, his family and the majority of others!
      
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      August 16, 2019 3:01pm
      - Swifty
        
        Evidence? Seems all made up to me.
        
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        August 16, 2019 3:30pm
      - Ross12
        
        What are you talking about with your Iranian neighbours ? If you want me to expand on what I meant by flexible just ask and will answer the question.
        
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        August 16, 2019 3:43pm
  - SGA
    
    Or are we a specific country with our own character and our own civilisation that needs to be safeguarded?
    
    On the other hand, you have to accept that “civilisation” and “character” aren’t static. Western civilisation is different now than it was 100 years ago, which was different than it was 100 years before that, and so on. When my grandfather was born (1880s), attitudes towards all sorts of things – e.g., religion, women, children (the age of consent in most states of the US was 10-12, and in Delaware it was 7!), the monarchy and aristocracy in the UK, public hangings – were quite different from now. Some things from the past are forgotten, others drift into being tradition or part of our heritage.
    Sure, we can try to steer things in certain directions, but we also will be blindsided by unforeseen events and developments (e.g., the impact of modern contraceptives for women in society).
    
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    August 16, 2019 1:31pm
- Jack5
  
  Reza-Abdul Jabbar looks to be a good farmer, and his descendants are far more likely to be assimilated than those of many Muslims working inour cities.
  
  He came to NZ as an agricultural student from Indonesia, probably under an NZ foreign student scheme designed to raise standards in Third World countries.
  
  Jabbar said he grew up in Borneo, and his family had orangutans as pets. Ethnic-Malay Indonesians, such as Jabbar’s entrepreneurial father, have been colonising Borneo since the Dutch left Indonesia.
  
  This includes hacking down vast swathes of tropical hardwood forests, and replacing the habitat of the indigenous Dayak people, as well as of species such as orangutans.
  
  If this isn’t colonialisation, what is? Yet the Leftist media who repeat almost daily the sins of the white colonisers of New Zealand say little or nothing about this colonisation, and the more brutal Indonesian colonisation occurring in Western Papua/New Guinea.
  
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  August 16, 2019 11:11am
  - SGA
    
    There is truth in what you say, Jack5, but I’m not sure what your conclusion is? Do you think that NZ (including its media) should be doing more to help the Dayak people and those in WP/NG?
    
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    August 16, 2019 1:55pm
    - Jack5
      
      SGA, I’m not aware of the blog having a style that requires, or even recommends. a list of premises followed by a formal conclusion.
      
      Our media and NZ activists are hypocritical in nailing NZ social woes on Western “colonialism” while giving little attention to the colonisation by Indonesia not too far away.
      
      I don’t think the forests of Borneo can be saved for the Dayak people and species such as orangutans. It’s too late for that.
      
      However, the United Nations virtually handed over West New Guinea to Indonesia, and guerrilla war continues there between the indigenous people and the Indonesians. I think NZ could do much more to support those indigenous people.
      
      What’s your position on this, SGA? To you give a rat’s arse about Melanesians?
      
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      August 16, 2019 7:02pm
      - SGA
        
        SGA, I’m not aware of the blog having a style that requires, or even recommends. a list of premises followed by a formal conclusion.
        
        You are right, there is no requirement that I am aware of. Your segue from the situation of a Muslim farmer in NZ to the hypocrisy of the NZ media regarding Indonesian colonisation made me curious is all.
        
        For me, like many I guess, the role of Indonesia in WP/NG (and East Timor, going back) has sort of dropped off the radar – fair comment. The plight of the orangutans probably receives more attention.
        
        That said, it’s not surprising that the NZ media’s prime focus is on NZ and its issues. While it is true that situations are worse elsewhere, that’s the case for many things (our economy, health care, education system, whatever), but that doesn’t stop us being crtiical of what we have and trying to improve those things.
        
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        August 16, 2019 8:31pm
Yvette

Strike 1
No mana for Māori – Māori are more likely to be overweight, depressed, homeless, incarcerated and uneducated according to these disturbing statistics produced under National’s watch.
Nasty repetition of the mantra – Maori are among the lowest of all social statistics – for simple political gain – Labour’s Māori Development spokesperson Kelvin Davis
https://www.labour.org.nz/no_mana_for_m_ori

Strike 2
“There are 5000 Sams in our prisons. And they include his children, and his grandchildren.
– Hon Kelvin Davis, Criminal Justice Summit: Plenary discussion on over-representation of Māori in the system – 21 August 2018
https://www.beehive.govt.nz/speech/criminal-justice-summit-plenary-discussion-over-representation-māori-system

Strike 3
So the threat is real – leading Davis to apologise to the world for the letter.
“I’m very sorry that this has happened – absolutely,” Davis said when asked for an apology.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/08/accused-christchurch-gunman-brenton-tarrant-s-prison-conditions-at-paremoremo-revealed.html
The letter by the accused Christchurch shooter containing a call to action and posted out to white supremacists around the world has the Corrections Minister admitting he’s scared it could inspire more killings.
But, apart from the Newshub reference, it seems Davis may have NOT formally “apologised to the world”.

Winston is responsible for putting this Labour-lead Government in office.
Government’s three strikes repeal killed by NZ First.
… and so Winston may also be responsible for some of them still being here.

(Sorry, some of the above may be repetition, but then Davis does that )
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August 16, 2019 10:31am
softail 1450

I have it from an extremely reliable source(Ha Goodman .com) that Hillary is going to run again and will be announcing her intentions mid october.
At least it will liven up a terrible bunch of shite that are parading as candidates at the moment,and of course there is Michelle and Oprah ,OMG is this the best the democrats can come up with for the person that will be running the most powerful military and economy on the planet?
FFS just imagine “down town under Jerry Brown” Kamala Harris in that position,LOL.
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August 16, 2019 10:45am
- Batman
  
  As I’ve said before, $500 says Clinton won’t run.
  
  It’s too late to organise.
  
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  August 16, 2019 11:05am
- chaos
  
  She may run for president of the jail cell her and her rapist husband will be in soon
  
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  August 16, 2019 11:17am
  - Batman
    
    Ahhhh, of course she will, I assume it’s just taking a long time for any sort of investigation to begin? Not at all a reflection of the fact this theory only exists in the minds of people like yourself
    
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    August 16, 2019 11:23am
    - chaos
      
      Unlike minds like yours that come here and try to excuse and cover up the sexual abuse, rape that has happened within the labour government and their youth camps and the sexual abuse and rape by bill clinton and his circle of pedophiles
      
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      August 16, 2019 11:34am
      - Batman
        
        Uhhhhhh, careful when throwing serious accusations at other commenters.
        
        I am fully in favour of the Labour cases being referred to police for investigation ASAP. I am very keen for Labour to be held to account and castigated for their disgraceful behaviour over these cases.
        
        On the Clinton side of things, there is yet to be any shred of evidence that either of them have actually committed a crime, beyond some heresay claims by women arranged by Donald Trump as part of a political stunt. There’s absolutely zero evidence that Bill Clinton is a pedophile, unlike Jeffrey Epstein.
        
        I would note that there is more video evidence available of Donald Trump and Epstein partying with quite young women and eyeing them up, than there is of Bill Clinton doing anything untoward.
        
        You sound like a Q follower. Are you a true patriot? ??
        
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        August 16, 2019 11:48am
      - All_on_Red
        
        “On the Clinton side of things, there is yet to be any shred of evidence that either of them have actually committed a crime, ‘
        That’s not true.
        
        ” with quite young women”
        Cheerleaders have to be adults.
        Your ignorance about the detail/US politics and events is quite astonishing.
        Also your condescending putdowns based on that ignorance just reeks of the know all attitude of a silly young boy.
        Why don’t you just grow up.
        
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        August 16, 2019 12:22pm
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Red , shall we begin with the Clinton body count conspiracy theories and match it with your “facts” about the Clinton Epstein conspiracy theories.
        
        Don’t forget to begin at comet ping pong and the pedo dungeons
        
        LOL!
        
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        August 16, 2019 3:05pm
      - Batman
        
        Right AoR, ignoring Stephies usual idiotic posts, I will respond to yours.
        
        Firstly, you say “that’s not true” regarding no evidence against the Clintons. Well if there is, please supply it.
        
        I said “quite young women” not underage women or girls. Two middle aged guys standing on the sidelines of a weird party-on-TV event, pointing out young women they like the look of, is somewhat creepy.
        
        We’ve been here before with your personal attacks against me. So again I will reiterate that you know fuck all about me and my background, so claiming I’m astonishingly ignorant of US politics and the detail of it is frankly laughable. Just because you strongly disagree with me does not mean that I am ignorant or you are right.
        
        As for your comments about condescension, age, and growing up, well that betrays your lack of a mature argument.
        
        Age does not automatically make you right or wise. To believe otherwise puts you in grave danger of being foolish.
        
        I won’t personally attack you as it’s not productive. I will say that this stuff will all shake out in the end, and the factual historical record will prevail over convenient political arguments and conspiracies from both sides of the debate.
        
        Cheers, it is Friday after all.
        
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        August 16, 2019 4:44pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Come on boys, the beer’s getting warm……
        
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        August 16, 2019 5:04pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  she carries too much stench of corruption and failure (two time loser) to ever be a viable candidate again.
  
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  August 16, 2019 11:57am
- MCos
  
  I suppose if you consider PresidentTrump was chosen by God everyone would be ‘a terrible bunch of shite’ except maybe Kim Jung Un, King Salman or Boris.
  
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  August 16, 2019 2:55pm
softail 1450

Batman,dont be so sure ,more and more commentators are saying its a strong possibility and she is capable of raising 10 times the funds needed to run than any of those other fricking fools,at this stage its a cash thing rather than a time thing…..
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August 16, 2019 11:23am
- chaos
  
  She won’t run, the investigations into her, bill and the foundation will see her and bill either in jail or taking their lives
  
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  August 16, 2019 11:35am
- Batman
  
  I’ve seen no serious commentators saying this, unless they’re mischief making US conservative blogs looking for clicks.
  
  There is a saying in the America’s Cup that you can’t buy time. This also applies to elections. You can throw a billion dollars at it and still not make up for lost time.
  
  Aside from anything else, under the rules of the game she does not qualify for the debates, which is a bit of a killer at this point in time.
  
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  August 16, 2019 11:36am
WaveyDavey

Morning all

I’m currently sitting in a rather nice waterfront apartment in Melbourne (not leasehold btw), not the biggest but 2 beds, 2 baths and overlooking the Yarra and it comes with 2 parking spaces and a concierge. The free city centre tram is literally outside the main entrance.

I’m thinking it would make a great airbnb addition to add to my others.

My question is… given that similar in Akl would be c$1m or maybe more for the quality how come I could buy this place for in the late $5s?
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August 16, 2019 11:54am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Go for it..
  
  That’s my usual place to crash when I hit Melbourne.
  The Skybus from Airport to SouthBank/ Docklands … or to Southern Cross are handy.
  
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  August 16, 2019 12:13pm
  - WaveyDavey
    
    Nice Audi Q8 – door-to-door for less than an uber Auckland airport to CBD
    
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    August 16, 2019 7:11pm
- DigNap15
  
  I dont know.
  But I’d like to know.
  especially when our wages are lower, so it should cost less to build one.
  But our building materials are dearer!
  Thanks Bunnings
  
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  August 16, 2019 12:33pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Fletchers I think you’ll find.
    
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    August 16, 2019 2:33pm
- Greg Ettridge
  
  Fire station close by, did you check for Chinese cladding. There is a reason for something being cheap usually.
  
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  August 16, 2019 2:51pm
  - WaveyDavey
    
    Ah, you mean like the more than 30 towers in Auckland (that the council won’t identify) that are also covered in flammable cladding courtesy of the Chinese builders?
    
    Edit: this one’s metal, glass and steel. Not really anything in the way of exterior cladding – flammable or otherwise.
    
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    August 16, 2019 7:06pm
Maggie Pie

Just listened to HDPA’s hubby talking politics on ZB before switching to Shaun on Magic.
That silly Fill Gifford chipped in saying, “I wouldn’t urinate on Alan Jones if he was on fire”
Right at that very moment I felt exactly the same way about the tranny 🙁
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August 16, 2019 12:24pm
- Humble Capitalist
  
  Im with you Maggie if you have to listen to a commie make it for 30 seconds otherwise the tranny will be in pieces
  
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  August 16, 2019 2:53pm
  - sooty
    
    Alan Jones needs to be made New Zealander of the year!
    
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    August 16, 2019 4:56pm
TWEEDSE

Having told off Aus for not doing enough to counter global warming, Jacinda spends winter on a selection of Pacific Islands as New Zealand is too cold for her. They don’t come more morally bankrupt than the part time PM.
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August 16, 2019 12:42pm
Fletch

A community paper from the Franklin area worries about the steel mill closing because of the Zero Emissions bill. If the mill closes, it will be too expensive to ever open it again.

NZ Steel has told MPs it may be forced to close with the loss of thousands of jobs if changes aren’t made to the Climate Change Response Bill which is being considered by Parliament.

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“The Glenbrook community is built around the mill. It cannot be overstated what the closure will mean to our community,”NZ Steel said in its submission. If the Glenbrook mill was to close, the significant capital cost of restarting production meant the likelihood of steel-making returning to New Zealand “would be close to zero”, it added. It is not the first time the Australian-owned company -a division of Melbourne-based Bluescope Steel -has threatened closure.

Labour don’t care. Their ideology is more important to them than the real world consequence of job losses or of ruining the economy.
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August 16, 2019 1:15pm
- wreck1080
  
  My university education was partly paid by working at the mill . Would be sad to see it go, simply to be seen as doing the right thing.
  
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  August 16, 2019 3:02pm
Maggie Pie

My partner was saying that some wag from the RNZAF has stenciled ‘The Horse Float’ just below the 757 cockpit windows of the Company Jet.

LOL!!!
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August 16, 2019 2:26pm
Maggy Wassilieff

What the hell is wrong with NZ?
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/aug/16/manhunt-after-australian-tourist-shot-dead-in-camper-van-in-new-zealand
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August 16, 2019 2:46pm
- wreck1080
  
  This is an despicable murder. It is so needless, which makes it even worse.
  
  No doubt this offender will have a long criminal history. This country really needs to solve the methamphetamine problem. I wouldn’t be surprised if this murder is motivated by the need to buy meth.
  
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  August 16, 2019 3:01pm
  - Tall Man
    
    An arsehole being true to form.
    
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    August 16, 2019 3:08pm
  - Poppa
    
    Hamilton is a bit on edge right now, the police have been shooting in a carpark thinking they had located the killer but I think that found nothing.
    
    He will no doubt steal another vehicle to try & make a get away I am guessing
    
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    August 16, 2019 3:19pm
    - GoVege
      
      NZ’s tourist industry takes a hit.
      Local offenders have gone from bashing and raping innocent tourists to shooting them dead…
      
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      August 16, 2019 5:33pm
- stephieboy
  
  MW, despicable murders like this neve hhappend unde National sullying the nationas repuation?
  
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  August 16, 2019 3:08pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    neve hhappend unde National sullying the nationas repuation?
    
    I tried this on Google translate, but I seem to have broken its algorithm.
    
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    August 16, 2019 3:21pm
    - Swifty
      
      It’s about this time of day that he fancies a bit of what killed Aunty…….
      
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      August 16, 2019 3:33pm
    - rangitoto
      
      Google don’t support Stephiestani.
      
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      August 16, 2019 3:39pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Nobody supports the retard that emanates from there.
        
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        August 16, 2019 9:09pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  ‘What the hell is wrong with NZ?’
  
  My partner believes the answer to that vexed question can be readily identified by watching regular episodes of Police 10/7
  
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  August 16, 2019 3:10pm
  - Tall Man
    
    TOW……
    
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    August 16, 2019 9:08pm
rangitoto

Cindy’s well being gun buyback making everyone safer.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/08/manhunt-continues-after-australian-tourist-shot-dead-near-raglan.html
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August 16, 2019 2:59pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Wow! I sincerely pray that the police have considered the gentleman gunman’s extended family and don’t trample on their sensitivities during the manhunt.
  Heaven forbid that the narrative ever became all about them and how they might be badly culturally affected by the bad naming of someone that I’m sure is really just a rascally, misbehaved but loving and gentle-hearted person…
  
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  August 16, 2019 8:42pm
wreck1080

Fonterra is a joke.

Now the cow cockies have to pay another 4.6 million to the former boss who destroyed their financial future.

To pay performance bonuses for ruinous business decisions smacks of incompetence at every level of fonterra. I don’t know if a simple change in CEO is the answer.
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August 16, 2019 3:07pm
- DigNap15
  
  He should be paying his salary and bonuses back to Fonterra!
  If the cockies accept that, then they are idiots!
  
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  August 16, 2019 6:57pm
Hugh Pavletich

NEW ZEALAND … Kiwis supporting more affordable cruise holidays big time … as they demand more affordable housing too … http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org …

… Further reasons why New Zealand must urgently deal with its land use regulatory environment (abolish urban limits / increase land supply and properly debt finance infrastructure) … so that much more competitive property markets are allowed to evolve and visitors and tourists get better value for money … like the inspirational and dynamic customer focused cruise industry …

Cruise ship numbers and spend swell … Statistics New Zealand
h/t Interest Co NZ

https://www.stats.govt.nz/news/cruise-ship-numbers-and-spend-swell

Cruise ship spending is going full steam ahead, swelling 28 percent to $570 million in the year ended June 2019, Stats NZ said today.

The $125.2 million lift in annual cruise spending reflected a surge in the number of cruise voyages, port calls, and passengers. This followed an 11 percent increase for the June 2018 year.

“Cruise ship spending has risen every year since 2015, but the annual increase in the latest 12 months is the biggest in both dollar and percentage terms,” national accounts senior manager Gary Dunnet said. … read more via hyperlink above …

Bumper cruise ship season nears as other tourist sectors slow … Grant Bradley … New Zealand Herald (behind paywall)

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12257887

The tourism boom is over, prepare for visitor numbers to flatline … Amanda Cropp … Stuff NZ

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/114639609/the-tourism-boom-is-over-prepare-for-visitor-numbers-to-flatline
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August 16, 2019 6:03pm
Surely Knott

Auckland Council has published the Agenda’s for their August agendas, which includes the board’s end of year financial results. The Quarterly performance report and the annual report for each local board. But they are both being withheld from the public under LGOIMA ! Below is the Link to Henderson’s as an example. But it’s the same in Mangere, Kaipatiki local board etc. http://infocouncil.aucklandcouncil.govt.nz/Open/2019/08/HM_20190820_AGN_7289_AT.htm#PDF3_Attachment_71054_2
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August 16, 2019 6:13pm
nasska

The delayed moderation on this blog has made partaking in or following any sort of debate impossible.

Fortunately the absence of congruent argument doesn’t detract from the pleasure of watching Maggy W handing stephieboy his arse on a daily basis. 🙂
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August 16, 2019 6:46pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Glad his harassment of me gives someone pleasure.
  
  I could do without it though in my life.
  
  However, I have been thinking… Perhaps it is better that stephieboy is harassing me here on KB than stalking/harassing me elsewhere.
  
  Once Griff got his arse card from KB, he followed me over to Pete George’s blog.
  Will he pop up somewhere else?
  
  What would stephieboy do if he got banned from the blog?
  
  I don’t know who these anonymous abusers are, but that’s how they want it, isn’t it?….subtle threat…we can get you anytime.
  
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  August 16, 2019 7:50pm
  - nasska
    
    ….”I could do without it though in my life”…..
    
    Only a fool would give their highly personalised crap the time of day.
    
    Buck up Maggy. What doesn’t kill you makes you stronger! 🙂
    
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    August 16, 2019 7:59pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      We are not talking rational behaviour here, Nasska.
      
      It’s well beyond anything I’ve ever come across before.
      
      Who the hell hassles fat, ugly, old ladies for 4-5 years, non-stop?
      
      There must be more fascinating creatures on KB than me, fgs!
      
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      August 16, 2019 8:08pm
      - nasska
        
        To begin to answer that you’ve got to look at the individuals involved.
        
        Griff is a highly intelligent under achiever who spent a fair bit of time sailing solo around the Pacific Ocean. While doing so he observed the mess man was making of the planet & turned terminally Green. Once a person goes Green they cast off rationality finding it inhibits action they just know deep in their tummies must be taken to save the world.
        
        It would seem that his inability to beat you in sane argument drives his wish to discredit you. To his thinking this discrediting advances the cause. Pol Pot & Stalin thought along similar lines.
        
        Whereas stephieboy is a fucking idiot who tries to bolster his ego by attacking his intellectual betters.
        Every blog has its bitch & he’s Kiwiblog’s.
        
        I fear that you worry unduly. No one who matters is likely to associate you with those two fuckwits, especially without seeking context to their ravings.
        
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        August 16, 2019 8:31pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Beauty is in the eye of the beholder Maggy and I’m sure he who minds the cats is happy where he is 😉
        
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        August 16, 2019 9:06pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Once a person goes Green they cast off rationality finding it inhibits action they just know deep in their tummies must be taken to save the world.
        
        Such a pity they don’t know the history of Green thinking (and how it differs from Ecological Science)..
        
        More to follow tomorrow.. (when I might hook a larger audience).
        
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        August 16, 2019 9:32pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Nasska:
  
  Have you heard anything from Stephieboy about the court case he supposedly wants to bring against us (in the unlikely event that he wins Powerball)?
  
  Personally, I’m quite looking forward to getting together with you and Maggy to discuss our litigation defence strategy. All three of us seem to have excellent filing systems and excellent memory recall. I’m sure that the printouts from our combined collection of Stephieboy’s perverted comments over the years could fill a St Lukes café!
  
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  August 16, 2019 8:11pm
  - nasska
    
    I fear that a full defence of any case brought against us would be time consuming Nostra. Yet I’m certain that photos of him leering at nubile schoolgirls at St Lukes will win the day & the forensic evidence of him misbehaving around goats is a killer.
    
    Did you know that his favourite part of sex is right at the beginning when you lift up the tail? 🙂
    
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    August 16, 2019 9:24pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I seem to remember that I offered to pay for your QC, Nostradamus.
    
    I must admit if my banks’ deposit rates drop much lower, I may be forced out onto the streets with a begging bowl… but a promise made, is a promise kept.
    
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    August 16, 2019 9:25pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      It’s ok Maggy.
      
      We could consider a targeted “give a little” campaign here at Kiwiblog. I don’t think Stephieboy has any friends here, and he’s pissed off lots of people, so you might find that Kiwiblog readers rally to your cause!
      
      Anyway, Stephieboy has said he needs to win Powerball first, and (judging by his limited intellect and reading comprehension issues) I doubt he’d have any idea how to check the numbers on his Powerball lottery slip against the TV results!
      
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      August 16, 2019 9:38pm
DigNap15

Pania and her fellow protesters should do what the Hong Kong Protestors are doing.
Removing all of their cash from the banks to ruin the Chinese economy.
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August 16, 2019 6:56pm
- WaveyDavey
  
  If only they’d decline the evil pakeha benefit system oppressing their people by giving them money for nothing.
  
  How would we cope?
  
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  August 16, 2019 7:14pm
- Tall Man
  
  They may have to wait for “benefit day”……
  
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  August 16, 2019 9:04pm
niggly

Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha – a slap in the face for Justin Lester!

Sir Peter Jackson is backing councilor Andy Foster for the Wellington mayoralty, and PJ “had invited Weta employees … to attend the candidacy announcement” …

I heard Lester spewing on the radio earlier about this (probably realises his dictatorial piggy’s snout is in danger of being removed from the trough …. oh well he can always get a Labour Party gig and stick his snout into a much larger trough)!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/local-body-elections/115055850/sir-peter-jackson-backs-andy-foster-for-wellington-mayoralty
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August 16, 2019 7:41pm
- Inandout
  
  niggly, someone has to break the Green stranglehold on Wellington. That being said, for some inexplicable reason the few friends I know in Wellington are bloody greenies.
  
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  August 16, 2019 8:12pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Andy Foster hasn’t scored very well in the Mayoralty stakes previously.
  
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  August 16, 2019 8:12pm
  - niggly
    
    He just needs Weta Workshop to produce some “really cool” slick campaign ads (and change his “style” a bit) and hey-presto!
    
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    August 16, 2019 8:50pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    All that Andy Foster will do is further split the anti-Lester vote, thus allowing Lester to slide back in.
    Wellington gets what their idiot voters deserve.
    
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    August 16, 2019 8:54pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  And the Weta employees will attend because PJ has mobilised his personal army. Does that make anyone else think of KrimDotCon and the Internet Party?
  I wish these entertainment industry squillionaires would stick to whatever it is they do and stop expecting everyone else to perform to their direction.
  
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  August 16, 2019 10:45pm
rangitoto

The Donald’s latest move is to offer to buy Greenland from Denmark. Has the Dems foaming at the mouth yet again.
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August 16, 2019 7:41pm
- Inandout
  
  Donald knows just how to get the insane onto commenting, especially CNN. Delicious.
  
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  August 16, 2019 8:15pm
hookerphil

I suspect a lot of their cash will be being paid into their account next Tuesday.
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August 16, 2019 8:02pm
Hugh Pavletich

NEW ZEALAND …

Recession threat to new home buyers’ mortgage rates … Rob Stock … Stuff NZ

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/115048596/recession-threat-to-new-home-buyers-mortgage-rates

… extract …

…Affordable homes campaigner Hugh Pavletich believed “multiple stretch” where young homebuyers borrowed far in excess of three and a half times their gross incomes had exposed many to risk.

“The bigger the stretch, the bigger the problem.”

The Reserve Bank of New Zealand began tracking debt-to-income (DTI) ratios on new home loans this week.

In Auckland, almost half of new first home buyer home loans were issued in July at a DTI of over five. … read more via hyperlink above …

Multiple Stretch Graph
Many first home buyers are taking out loans in excess of five times their before-tax income, Reserve Bank data shows. Figures are for new loans taken out in June this year.

https://infogram.com/multiple-stretch-1hxr4znry3y54yo
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…New Zealand has the highest housing multiple stretch in the Anglosphere at 6.5 times gross annual household incomes …

2019 15th Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey

http://www.demographia.com/dhi.pdf
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… Following the 2007 event the Central Bank of Irelanf generally capped mortgage lending to 3.5 times gross annual household incomes …

Mortgage Measures – Central Bank of Ireland

https://www.centralbank.ie/financial-system/financial-stability/macro-prudential-policy/mortgage-measures
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  Kiwis supporting more affordable cruise holidays big time … as they demand more affordable housing too in ‘the flight to affordability’ … refer 2019 Section http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org …
  
  … Further reasons why New Zealand must urgently deal with its land use regulatory environment (abolish urban limits / increase land supply and properly debt finance infrastructure) … so that much more competitive property markets are allowed to evolve and visitors and tourists get better value for money … like the inspirational and dynamic customer focused cruise industry …
  
  Cruise ship numbers and spend swell … Statistics New Zealand
  h/t Interest Co NZ
  
  https://www.stats.govt.nz/news/cruise-ship-numbers-and-spend-swell
  
  Cruise ship spending is going full steam ahead, swelling 28 percent to $570 million in the year ended June 2019, Stats NZ said today.
  
  The $125.2 million lift in annual cruise spending reflected a surge in the number of cruise voyages, port calls, and passengers. This followed an 11 percent increase for the June 2018 year.
  
  “Cruise ship spending has risen every year since 2015, but the annual increase in the latest 12 months is the biggest in both dollar and percentage terms,” national accounts senior manager Gary Dunnet said. … read more via hyperlink above …
  
  Bumper cruise ship season nears as other tourist sectors slow … Grant Bradley … New Zealand Herald (behind paywall)
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12257887
  
  The tourism boom is over, prepare for visitor numbers to flatline … Amanda Cropp … Stuff NZ
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/114639609/the-tourism-boom-is-over-prepare-for-visitor-numbers-to-flatline
  
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