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Labour has a rape culture
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August 15, 2019 8:00am
- Bill felt
  
  Can you provide some evidence? – oh wait!
  
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  August 15, 2019 8:04am
- PhilBest
  
  The entire progressive Left actually has a rape culture, contrary to their virtue-signalling when it suits them.
  
  Comment of the week on Jeffrey Epstein; from US conservative columnist Kevin McCullough (I’ve been saying similar about the paedo question, for years):
  
  “…The culture Epstein had been immersed in—and had helped create—was built on the false premise that there is no objective morality. There are no rules about sex, propriety, consent, family, responsibility or even good and evil in the culture that Epstein lived in.
  
  There are barely any of those rules in the modern, dominant culture of American leftism.
  
  Sexual anarchy has replaced sexual propriety. Unburdened hedonism has replaced marital restraint. Academia—not satisfied with successfully undefining marriage, has moved on to begin arguing for the justification of child/adult “consensual” sexual relationships.
  
  The philosophical bridge of leftist professors arguing the need to legalize pedophilia, and a billionaire entertaining those leftist ideas for his friends “simply because they can” seems to me—a very short one…”
  
  https://townhall.com/columnists/kevinmccullough/2019/08/11/if-democratic-thugs-didnt-kill-epstein-leftists-worldview-certainly-did-n2551485
  
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  August 15, 2019 8:05am
  - stephieboy
    
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    I assume that Kevin McCullough had also in mind the US President?
    
    And this also,
    
    https://www.houstonchronicle.com/opinion/outlook/article/What-the-next-GOP-sex-scandal-tells-us-about-13067894.php
    
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    August 15, 2019 9:52am
    - PhilBest
      
      You mean the US President whose main relationship to Jeffrey Epstein was, 15 years ago, having him thrown out of Mar-O-Lago and banned for life, for groping underage girls? Of course you won’t have learned this from MSNBC and probably not the NZ MSM either.
      
      I reckon Trump is pretty confident that any firestorm of investigations is going to hurt his political enemies more than it will hurt him. I think his political enemies are under-rating him as a strategist. He’s baiting them into self-destruction. If they want to make “squeaky clean” the standard, the only one left standing will be Mike Pence, and progressives hate him for his squeaky cleanness even more than they hate Republican serial adulterers (while simultaneously worshiping lefty ones).
      
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      August 15, 2019 7:19pm
  - freethinker
    
    I recently saw an article in UK press that France has actually legislated that Pedophilia is legal .
    
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    August 15, 2019 11:01am
    - igm
      
      Is that to appease Islam . . . seems Macron is in bed with them like Ardern.
      
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      August 15, 2019 2:03pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Labour has a culture of protecting its abusers
  
  Labour’s response to bullying complaints criticised is not victim-led
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12258079
  
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  August 15, 2019 8:05am
  - Gravelroad
    
    Yes, this whole sexual assault/bullying situation must pose a real dilemma for the Labour Party.
    Their natural instinct would be to deflect, deny, hide, obfuscate and delay any investigation about which they would be unsure of a favourable outcome.
    They achieved this with the youth camp crimes – the court case for which has been successfully pushed out for 18 months thus encouraging a lot of people to forget about it.
    But, if any charges arise from the current accusations, Labour surely won’t want to delay for another 12plus months and have the trial pop up just before the 2020 election.
    What to do?
    What to do?
    
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    August 15, 2019 8:54am
    - sooty
      
      We know what it will not be.
      Tell the truth!
      
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      August 15, 2019 10:08am
      - freethinker
        
        Labour and the truth is an oxymoron.
        
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        August 15, 2019 11:03am
- Tall Man
  
  What has puzzled me right from the start of this abuse shit after “summer sex camp” is the “stunning silence” from all the female mps within labour, the coalition and the media at large.
  
  While it is a distant memory, “ponytail gate” seemed to generate more comment than any of these occurrences. I know it is different “when the left do it” but this silence is spooky, almost like everyone is “holding the line” as they know if anyone breaks the whole kit and caboodle crashes down.
  
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  August 15, 2019 8:08am
  - artemisia
    
    Where are the MPs who walked out of the Chamber in 2015 because the then PM correctly referred to some Christmas Island occupants as rapists.
    
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    August 15, 2019 8:14am
    - Gravelroad
      
      Maybe the person responsible for these latest alleged incidents is very powerful within the Labour Party hierarchy – perhaps even with strong influence over candidate selection and party list names and rankings?
      You wouldn’t want to get offside with such a person with an election coming up by shooting your mouth off or walking out of anything, would you?
      Principles and integrity are optional extras in politics.
      
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      August 15, 2019 9:07am
      - sooty
        
        Would they not be stood down?
        Or maybe not!
        
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        August 15, 2019 10:09am
  - igm
    
    Has Mau mentioned the Labour education camp abuse by [Deleted – Mod]
    Maybe Little has declared this out of bounds to media . . . they will want it washed under the carpet like many others.
    
    [Mod – don’t go there. The case is before the courts, and is covered by suppression orders]
    
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    August 15, 2019 8:15am
    - cmm
      
      Why don’t we just make it simpler and put the whole judicial system from Little down to the cleaners under a permanent suppression order.
      
      No discussion of the minister, judges, criminals, etc etc etc.
      
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      August 15, 2019 8:32am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    [Mod – deleted. The case is back before the court on 2 September for a defended hearing]
    
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    August 15, 2019 8:16am
    - Tall Man
      
      You need to fix your spell/grammar checker…….. 😉
      
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      August 15, 2019 8:31am
  - srylands
    
    I agree. The pony tail thing was just extraordinary. I recall The Standard being in meltdown for several weeks.
    
    The young woman involved was manipulated for political ends. She could have ended it by telling John Key to quit being a dick or she would punch him in the face.
    
    I have not visited The Standard because I cannot stomach it. But I assume there is either silence or platitudes about recent sexual abuse allegations.
    
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    August 15, 2019 8:17am
    - Tall Man
      
      Last time I was there psycho was pontificating at his lefty best. Put me off but have never really taken the left that seriously and once “what’s in it for wynston” has had a gutful they’ll be back where they belong just like they are in the UK.
      
      ardern will go down in history as an ignorant aberration.
      
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      August 15, 2019 8:43am
  - freethinker
    
    You assume the Female Labour MP’s are not participants – H1 & H2 often played Hymns together!
    
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    August 15, 2019 11:05am
- igm
  
  Is this problem related to their leader’s preoccupation with Islam?
  
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  August 15, 2019 8:11am
  - burt
    
    Lets see if the woman who complained end up leaving rather than the perp. Oh, hang on…
    
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    August 15, 2019 8:24am
  - stephieboy
    
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    igm,
    
    DUH!
    
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    August 15, 2019 9:10am
    - sooty
      
      Then, along came stephie!
      
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      August 15, 2019 10:11am
- burt
  
  Labour has a rape culture
  
  They are now referring to it as bullying, because pretending it’s nothing serious is what they have got use to doing and they still won’t face it.
  
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  August 15, 2019 8:13am
  - rouppe
    
    Actually I think they’re referring to it as bullying for the long game. In five years time all we will be able to find online is about bullying claims, not sexual assault claims.
    
    Therefore it will be deemed as having never happened
    
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    August 15, 2019 8:46am
  - igm
    
    Look at the perverted and foul legislation Labour have introduced over the years . . . they and their supporters are disgusting.
    
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    August 15, 2019 5:18pm
- kowtow
  
  And the legacy lame stream media has a cover up culture , when it comes to their friends.
  
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  August 15, 2019 8:21am
- fernglas
  
  Cliche alert. What is a “rape culture”? If what you are saying is that Labour seems unable to deal properly and fairly with allegations of sexual misconduct, I agree, but before I agree that this because of a “rape culture” I would like to know, in plain English, what that is.
  
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  August 15, 2019 8:32am
  - RightNow
    
    Wouldn’t we all?
    
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    August 15, 2019 9:24am
    - alloytoo
      
      A point sir veritably a point.
      
      As far as I can tell.
      
      If the accused is advocates individual responsibility or participates in market economics then it is (without any process) : “Rape culture”
      
      If the accused advocates unlimited social rights and socialist economics then it’s immediately wrapped in a SEP* field and calm and due process (including indefinite enquiries) are called for.
      
      *SEP for the benefit of non-Douglas Adams fans is a “Someone Else’s Problem” field which makes things almost but not 100% invisible to almost but not 100% of people.
      
      COL invoke SEP with gusto, but like everything their fields are only 50% (and dropping) effective.
      
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      August 15, 2019 11:28am
  - tavita
    
    A rape culture is based on the belief that women enjoy sex but are reluctant to admit it. This is in contrast to a whore culture which is based on the belief that only men enjoy sex and women must be offered inducements to participate. However the terms are pejorative and only to be used when referring to people you despise for other reasons.
    
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    August 15, 2019 2:42pm
  - Ruahine
    
    I believe it goes something like this. ‘You will know it if you see it’. If you did not see it then it never happened.
    
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    August 15, 2019 5:34pm
- Lizziep
  
  What has happened to the vociferous me to0 movement? Has it finished now gone to the not so popular at all if your lieber? If it is still operational where are their comments about this latest Liebor party incident and the others???
  
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  August 15, 2019 11:51am
  - backster
    
    Well the founder Ali Mau was paid thousands of dollars to MC Andrew Little’s extravaganza for criminal sympathisers. She is probably hoping for another gig.
    
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    August 15, 2019 1:50pm
PhilBest

[Mod – deleted at Phil’s request; duplicate post]
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August 15, 2019 8:04am
- PhilBest
  
  Sorry I meant to post this as a reply to the first commenter.
  
  [Mod – all sorted]
  
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  August 15, 2019 8:05am
- Tall Man
  
  Thanks Phil, a good read and a little “spooky”…
  
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  August 15, 2019 8:09am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Just watching play school on TV1 (speaker of the house insists this channel) Just saw the Queen of NZ walking out the back of a C130. Where are the 757s? How degrading, to have to travel in a freight plane
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August 15, 2019 8:06am
- hullkiwi
  
  She probably took some aid with her.
  
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  August 15, 2019 8:15am
  - sooty
    
    Jethro’s boat will not fit inside a 757!
    
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    August 15, 2019 8:32am
  - Tall Man
    
    KFC family picnic packs…….. 300 of them?
    
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    August 15, 2019 8:32am
  - Prince
    
    Yes Jenna Lynch accompanied her to convey the wisdom of her pronouncements.
    
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    August 15, 2019 8:33am
- srylands
  
  The C 130 was loaded with KFC.
  
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  August 15, 2019 8:18am
- Tall Man
  
  There could be a couple of reasons. The runway may not be long enough for the 757 and there is no way you can fit a boat in it 😉
  
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  August 15, 2019 8:19am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    The runway is long enough for a 757 (it can land at Blenheim), but not long enough for a return to NZ with a full fuel load.
    
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    August 15, 2019 10:10am
    - Tall Man
      
      So the runway isn’t long enough? 😉
      
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      August 15, 2019 8:33pm
- cmm
  
  C130 – I love those planes. They can land places the 757 won’t dare put its dainty wheels.
  
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  August 15, 2019 8:39am
  - Blackbob
    
    You might not be so keen on that C130 after 8 hours straight stuck inside one loaded with equipment pallets and 20 other people. Creature comforts consist of earplugs & webbing seat strap marks on your arse and back.
    
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    August 15, 2019 9:04am
    - cmm
      
      I haven’t been on one for 8 hours. My longest flight on one was approx 2 hours. Much better than the DC3 “kotz koets”.
      
      Exciting flight into the Kaprivi Strip doing missile/attack evasions, then flying out with wounded guys in stretchers going back to Pretoria. We were packed in tight – knees pretty close to interlocking like teeth on a zip.
      
      The comfort depends on the seating. There are seating modules similar to normal aircraft seating which are not too bad and also the webbing seating which are far less comfortable when packed tight.
      
      Still a fantastic plane that has been flying for 65 years with no realistic replacement in sight.
      
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      August 15, 2019 9:30am
    - Harlequin
      
      8 hours + to Alice, overnight stay then 8 hours + to Singapore. Air trooping with around 90 on board. Knees interlocked liked a zip. You learn to not sit under the main spar because it ‘leaks’ when you come in to land.
      You had earplugs?
      Return trip in 1969 was similar but staged through Perth.
      You had earplugs?
      Earplugs?
      
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      August 15, 2019 10:13am
      - JibberJabber
        
        My old man went to Singapore and back in a Bristol Freighter in the 50s.
        Even the pilots had to put a raincoat on if they ran into bad weather. ?
        
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        August 15, 2019 11:03am
      - Blackbob
        
        Ex RNZAF maintainer, spent many many hours on C130s to various spots around Australia and Asia with No.75 Sqn deployments so learnt quickly to take earplugs amongst other things . Finding places to lie down was also a priority on those long haul flights. We had to leap into action to service the jets & crews as soon as we landed each stop on the way as well. Trip across Australia from Richmond to Port Hedland WA took about 10 hrs by C130
        
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        August 15, 2019 11:13am
      - Right of way is Way of Right
        
        I’ve heard horror stories about Army pers on Herc’s who decided to string up a hammock to lie down, but managed to tie one end on to a control cable, causing unusual responses to the aircraft flight surfaces when the aforementioned soldier lay down for a snooze.
        
        Needless to say, he was shortly thereafter subjected to an expletive laden revision of the in flight safety rules by the loadmaster.
        
        Business class in a Herc is ear plugs AND ear defenders over the top. Less said about the in flight toilet, the better!
        
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        August 15, 2019 11:53am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        Bristol Frightener.
        “20,000 rivets flying in formation”.
        
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        August 15, 2019 1:35pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Требуется почтовый цензор
Применить в течение

Тюрьма Пареморемо
Новая Зеландия
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August 15, 2019 8:06am
- Tall Man
  
  Требуется умный премьер-министр для Новой Зеландии. Заявки должны быть поданы до августа 2020 года
  
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  August 15, 2019 8:12am
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    Все в порядке, а главное быстро.
    
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    August 15, 2019 8:31am
    - Tall Man
      
      Festina Lente…….
      
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      August 15, 2019 8:46am
      - MH
        
        act in haste, repent at leisure… ha ha just kidding … as I was tortoise by the hair.
        So KB has beeen infiltrated by Trumps Roosky mob…where are the mods ?
        
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        August 15, 2019 10:17am
      - Batman
        
        Look if people want to fully embrace the links between Trump’s campaign and the Russian interference in the democratic process in order to undermine it, they’re welcome to ?
        
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        August 15, 2019 10:25am
      - Tall Man
        
        Ahh Batman, it’s ardern’s links you should be worried about.
        
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        August 15, 2019 1:10pm
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    опыт работы в рыбном магазине не требуется
    
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    August 15, 2019 9:16am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      ха ха ха ха ха
      
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      August 15, 2019 9:37am
- stephieboy
  
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  MW, and Tall Man, no need to hide behind google translate.
  
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  August 15, 2019 9:11am
  - Jack5
    
    Okay Stephie:
    
    See if Google Translate can crack this message for you:
    
    reH bIjatlh SoH
    -qoH
    
    ?
    
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    August 15, 2019 10:50am
    - Tall Man
      
      HIja’ ghaH
      
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      August 15, 2019 1:13pm
- BananaLlama
  
  Maggy that is just naughty 🙂
  
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  August 15, 2019 10:25am
Happychappy

It’s been all about Labour never the victims as a complainant speaks out.
“The process has never once been victim supported, l see it as a way to silence us not allow us to feel heard” the person said.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12258079
Jacinda as our Prime Minister should be ashamed of herself by covering up a crime in her office committed by a person working there.
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August 15, 2019 8:07am
- pdm
  
  Jacinda as our Prime Minister should be ashamed of herself by covering up a crime in her office committed by a person working there.’
  
  hy hasn’t she called in the Police?
  
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  August 15, 2019 8:16am
  - burt
    
    When you are protecting somebody from the consequences of their actions you don’t call the police.
    
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    August 15, 2019 8:29am
    - gravedodger
      
      Even when there is evidence the current Commissioner might be just a bit to close as evidenced by the unprecedented and uncalled for exhonouration for the then current squeeze being “not under any form of investigation by Police”?
      
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      August 15, 2019 8:36am
      - burt
        
        Yes, it is unusual for the po-po to comment on high profile sports people.
        
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        August 15, 2019 8:43am
    - sooty
      
      The Prime Minister of NZ looks like she has a rapeist and sexual predator working in her own office and is busy protecting him from investigation and helping the victims! Her own office is a sex dungeon and she was at summer camp as well!
      With these seriouse allegations about her office, what does Cindy do?
      She goes on holiday!
      
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      August 15, 2019 8:41am
      - burt
        
        She doesn’t just go on holiday. She flys across the Pacific to stay on an island with only diesel power generation to discuss reducing emissions.
        
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        August 15, 2019 9:09am
      - wreck1080
        
        She does seem to be protecting someone .
        
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        August 15, 2019 10:04am
      - freethinker
        
        You may be right about the sex dungeon – seen the Video of Cindy bin lying on stage in her fishnets and leather corset preaching to the Kommrades?
        
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        August 15, 2019 11:12am
  - Bobba Fret
    
    One of the complainants needs to go to the police. Labour are not going to and will try to keep it in house.
    
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    August 15, 2019 8:55am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Doesn’t her Oath of Office compel her to act according to to law and not her party loyalties?
    
    If only we had impeachment.
    
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    August 15, 2019 9:38am
    - Brian Marshall
      
      The closest we have is a speech impediment.
      
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      August 15, 2019 10:32am
    - cmm
      
      “Doesn’t her Oath of Office compel her…”
      
      Bugger the Oath of Office, just being a person in NZ subjects her, and Labour in general, to the Crimes Act.
      
      Allegations of rape and sexual assaults etc are allegations of criminal matters, not party matters. Attempting to deal with them internally – and keep them away from proper investigation – is an attempt to pervert justice.
      
      I would think that 116 and 117 (a) in particular come to the fore.
      
      If Labour is holding an own internal investigation/cover-up to determine if they can sort the problem in-house then surely that is, or is at least sailing very close to, violating witness tampering: 117(a).
      
      “116 Conspiring to defeat justice
      
      Every one is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 7 years who conspires to obstruct, prevent, pervert, or defeat the course of justice in New Zealand or the course of justice in an overseas jurisdiction.”
      
      “117 Corrupting juries and witnesses
      
      Every one is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 7 years who—
      
      (a)dissuades or attempts to dissuade a person, by threats, bribes, or other corrupt means, from giving evidence in any cause or matter (whether civil or criminal, and whether tried or to be tried in New Zealand or in an overseas jurisdiction); or
      
      (b)influences or attempts to influence, by threats or bribes or other corrupt means, a member of a jury in his or her conduct as such (whether in a cause or matter tried or to be tried in New Zealand or in an overseas jurisdiction, and whether the member has been sworn as a member of a particular jury or not); or
      
      (c)accepts any bribe or other corrupt consideration to abstain from giving evidence (whether in a cause or matter tried or to be tried in New Zealand or in an overseas jurisdiction); or
      
      (d) accepts any bribe or other corrupt consideration on account of his or her conduct as a member of a jury (whether in a cause or matter tried or to be tried in New Zealand or in an overseas jurisdiction, and whether the member has been sworn as a member of a particular jury or not); or
      
      (e) wilfully attempts in any other way to obstruct, prevent, pervert, or defeat the course of justice in New Zealand or the course of justice in an overseas jurisdiction.”
      
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      August 15, 2019 10:50am
artemisia

OK, ‘hate speech’ is the phrase du jour and must be stamped out at every opportunity. So the rules applied by Corrections staff should apply to any correspondence or recorded phone calls, not depending on the crime committed. Including quotes from religious texts that might meet the definition, whatever that is or might be in future.

And not forgetting that Mr Tarrant is currently on remand. He has not been convicted of any crime.
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August 15, 2019 8:09am
- Tall Man
  
  That is a good point. I didn’t read the letter, if in fact it was available, but surely as he has not been convicted he does still have some rights.
  
  It does show the brain power of those surrounding him though and there is a possibility he had some “help” in getting it out.
  
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  August 15, 2019 8:23am
  - sooty
    
    No. Cindy took them all away!
    
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    August 15, 2019 8:42am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Religious texts are exempt in leftist authoritarian plans for restricting free speech.
  
  *You* can’t publicly say ‘beat your wife if she’s disobedient’, but if you’re of the right religion you can quote from a religious text telling men to do so: actually telling men to actually beat their wives. (sura 4:34 – check it out).
  
  That’s OK in leftard thinking, because it’s ‘culture’ or some such twisted excuse that I can’t and don’t want to explain.
  
  And don’t get me to defend the bible, Stuffy et al. I’m an atheist.
  
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  August 15, 2019 10:53am
- MCos
  
  Let’s not beat around the bush. He’s as guilty as sin. He’s lucky he murdered all those people in a country where he wasn’t given a one day trial next day, found guilty and immediately executed. Maybe not even given a trial.
  However we’re committed to due process here in NZ, and quite rightly so because occasionally the police get the wrong person.
  Nevertheless
  As far as I’m concerned this monster should have no access to the outside world, except his legal team, because that’s his raison d’etre.
  
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  August 15, 2019 11:09am
Lance

It was hilarious on the AM show this morning.
Just before Kelvin Davies came on the explain the clusterfuck around letter the mass murdering turd was allowed to send from prison, a legal expert was interviewed on the same topic. He warned that Kelvin Davis will use deflection to avoid taking responsibility and what he is most likely to say (goes into detail). Then as sure as eggs that’s EXACTLY what silly old Kelvin says when he comes on.
It was comedy gold.
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August 15, 2019 8:09am
- burt
  
  Humans are very predictable.
  
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  August 15, 2019 8:30am
  - Tall Man
    
    As are idiots.
    
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    August 15, 2019 8:33am
    - sooty
      
      Just reading from the song sheet.
      
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      August 15, 2019 8:44am
    - burt
      
      Yes, indeed. Idiots are way more predictable. One thing they always do is try the same thing that failed last time thinking it will work out differently.
      
      EG: Covering up sexual assaults.
      
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      August 15, 2019 8:45am
      - otago-man
        
        Socialism/Communism failed in every country implementing it yet they keep trying to introduce it thinking it will work out differently too
        
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        August 15, 2019 10:17am
- Bell-47
  
  Davis is an invertebrate like his boss. I bet they all cringe every time he has to front.
  
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  August 15, 2019 9:34am
- Surely Knott
  
  Andrew Dickens article on front page of Newstalk ZB – Don’t give oxygen to Christchurch Gunman. Which is ironic seeing that is exactly what his article does. The media are reveling in a letter which in their own words was relatively banal. I’d never heard of 4 or 8 chan until the media started going on about it. They are making him famous and advertising where to go to sign up for his writings. The solution should have been to talk about how the laws on correspondence
  should be implemented for all prisoners, especially those who have a following that encourages ideologies of violence, eg Gangs, or Terrorists. If they single out the CHCH Gunman as the only one who deserves to have his rights curtailed, and advertise it loudly in the media, they risk making a martyr of him in the eyes of his followers and giving him even more airtime.
  
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  August 15, 2019 10:20am
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  I did see that, it’s always hilarious when the interviewer knows more about what is going on than the person being interviewed.
  
  These days, a deer talking about another deer in the headlights will invariably refer to him as ‘doing a Kelvin’.
  
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  August 15, 2019 11:56am
Maggie Pie

One of my twitter besties tweets:
“Hot as 40 bastards in Tuvalu and Jacinda arrives wearing black leather boots!”
[see vid LOL!!]

https://twitter.com/DuchessK2/status/1161578161462632449
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August 15, 2019 8:09am
- Tall Man
  
  Cankles?
  
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  August 15, 2019 8:27am
- burt
  
  I suspect the diesel generators will be going full noise to provide the power for the air conditioning that the politicians flying around the planet need to be comfortable while discussing emission reduction.
  
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  August 15, 2019 8:32am
  - sooty
    
    I would think that the 757 would have a private dressing room, that she could get changed in before arriving, rather than having step out in her traveling clothes. She would have rugged up warm to be leaving at 8am from Auck.
    You would think that she would arrive in something light, airy and appropriate for 40deg in the holiaday islands, you know sun, surf, beach and all that.
    
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    August 15, 2019 8:53am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      It’s not as if she doesn’t know what to pack for another spell in the Sunny isles.
      
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      August 15, 2019 9:06am
      - sooty
        
        After all, she’s had plenty of experience of lying in the sun!
        
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        August 15, 2019 10:19am
- KevO'Brien
  
  The temperature will be at least 30–day and night. Tiny little atoll. These bootfests help trample down the coral squashing the island into the water and potentially damaging the “lens” of fresh water between the surface and the sea.
  The sea level rise there is the tides washing over the atoll. Coral grows to match sea levels.
  
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  August 15, 2019 9:49am
peterwn

Chris Hipkins must be fearing for his seat. He has come out in favour of an early start of the Melling interchange which Twyford had put on hold.
Would not be surprised if Labour now promises to resume some roading projects next year in areas where their MP’s are at risk.
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August 15, 2019 8:10am
- Biscuit
  
  Just about every seat in Wellington is now held by a Labour MP.
  
  That has sure seen positive results for the city/region, hasn’t it?
  
  Re Hipkins, what is daft is that he has to drive his Labour-branded car every sitting day through the interchange in question.
  
  I doubt he’d lose his seat in 2020 – he took the personal vote 55% to 33% over the National candidate – but the party vote will be interesting. In 2017 that went 43.3 to 38.9 to Labour…
  
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  August 15, 2019 8:39am
  - Batman
    
    He doesn’t. He gets a Crown car and reads papers etc.
    
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    August 15, 2019 8:45am
    - sooty
      
      Do they fit kiddie seats in a crown limo for him so he can see out the window?
      
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      August 15, 2019 8:55am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Correct peterwyn. Labour cancelled the Melling interchange because they thought it only affected the National-voting traitors in Hutt South.
  Then they realised that their Labour mates in Rimutaka also use that piece of road.
  
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  August 15, 2019 8:46am
- Liberty
  
  Chippy should get Jag to write another letter to Phil.
  
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  August 15, 2019 10:15am
  - freethinker
    
    But not on Ministerial Notepaper and if tha’s all she has in her office she could write on some toilet paper for the shit she espouses.
    
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    August 15, 2019 11:35am
AgainstTheFlow

James Shaw has again gone negative and personal on Simon Bridges.

Is this an agreement in the Labour-Green alliance? Shaw does the negative attacks, leaving Jacinda Ardern to maintain her spotless halo as the nation’s princess.
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August 15, 2019 8:11am
- peterwn
  
  Perhaps James’ position as co-leader is precarious and he is having to attack Simon in to hope of appeasing the ultra left wingers. The green skin of the watermelon is wafer thin.
  
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  August 15, 2019 8:25am
- Happychappy
  
  You notice the media not saying a lot after two years of journalists and MP’s taking every opportunity to have a crack at Simon Bridges that includes James Shaw.
  https://amp.rnz.co.nz/article/7af6c0f1-4a61-4654-856c-0aee987b7053
  Is6 it funny when Simon gets on the front foot by calling out his inept management of census he starts crying wolf because people have pointed out his actions.
  
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  August 15, 2019 8:33am
- Biscuit
  
  More likely that James is trying to raise his (lowly) profile.
  
  Similarly, it is no coincidence that WinstonFirst has re-commenced the popularist statements that have, in the past, seen his gullible fans flock to his side…
  
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  August 15, 2019 8:42am
- alloytoo
  
  Perhaps James saw new polling figures.
  
  Maybe the lipstick is wearing off.
  
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  August 15, 2019 8:42am
  - MH
    
    or gone green with envy
    
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    August 15, 2019 9:23am
  - freethinker
    
    Snout in the trough and the lipstick quickly wears off.
    
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    August 15, 2019 11:37am
JibberJabber

Abject cowardice by Kelvin Davis on the AM show this morning, a complete and utter failure to take any form of responsibility for the incompetence of the Department he is Minister of.
He blamed the Law, he blamed his officers, anyone and everyone but himself and his weak and ineffectual leadership.
The mind boggles at the sheer fucking stupidity of Corrections management to let Tarrant post letters at will without checking their content.
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August 15, 2019 8:11am
- srylands
  
  He implied that Tarrant should not be allowed to send and receive any mail. Unfortunately that is not what the law says.
  
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  August 15, 2019 8:22am
  - sooty
    
    But Cindy said!
    
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    August 15, 2019 8:57am
  - peterwn
    
    Presumably prison authorities can ban sending or receiving mail with cause or for a limited period. A quick legislative fix seems appropriate here, there should be no trouble getting sufficient support in the House.
    However I do take issue with him not being allowed newspapers or TV or inward mail. Even if he gets a buzz from it, it does not matter. Assuming he is convicted he will not be going far for a very long time if ever.
    The accused is most probably a NZ resident and hence as a remand prisoner is entitled to vote in the forthcoming local body elections and also the 2020 General Election unless he has been sentenced by then.
    
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    August 15, 2019 9:14am
    - Liberty
      
      “However I do take issue with him not being allowed newspapers or TV”
      
      Peter
      I also take issue with no TV or newspapers. Tarrant is low life scum.
      But so are a lot of other inmates. Do they have restricted access to TV and newspapers.
      Is Tarrant a prisoner up for a multiple murder charge
      Or A Political prisoner of Dear Leader ?
      Will Tarrant be able to vote (with Andy vote for scums agenda) along with the rest of the low life scum?
      
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      August 15, 2019 10:45am
      - peterwn
        
        AFAIK prisoners can hire a Corrections provided TV which presumably can receive the main free-to-air channels. Unlike ex-Sheriff Joe’s TV’s in Maricopa County jails they plug in and are not pedal operated. I cannot see any reason why the accused here cannot hire a TV.
        
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        August 15, 2019 12:11pm
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      Surely, the Government must rush legislation to immediately mandate all stamps to be sequestered until they can be confiscated oops I meant bought back, for a Nash’n’Cahill agreed % of their actual value. If it saves just one life…
      
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      August 15, 2019 10:54am
    - srylands
      
      There is no legislation required. This is the relevant regulation. It would seem to give the authorities plenty of scope.
      
      “A prison manager may withhold mail between a prisoner and another person if—
      
      “it is correspondence that the manager believes on reasonable grounds is likely to—
      (i) threaten or intimidate a person to whom it is being sent by the prisoner; or
      (ii) endanger the safety or welfare of any person; or
      (iii) pose a threat to the security of the prison; or
      (iv) promote or encourage the commission of an offence, or involve, or facilitate the commission or possible commission of, an offence; or
      (v) prejudice the maintenance of the law (including the prevention, detection, investigation, prosecution, and punishment of offences, and the right to a fair trial); or
      (vi) breach an order or direction of any court (for example, a direction given under section 168A (no-contact conditions if family violence offence defendant remanded in custody) of the Criminal Procedure Act 2011) or constitute contempt of court.
      
      http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2004/0050/latest/DLM296051.html#DLM296051
      
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      August 15, 2019 1:13pm
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      “A quick legislative fix”?
      
      Yeah, like the GunTheft legislative fix.
      
      A characteristic of tyrants – to weaponize the laws against people they don’t like. Tarrant is evil but – remember Sir Thomas More’s speech* about what happens when you change the law solely to suit your purpose …
      (* in “A Man for all Seasons”)
      
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      August 16, 2019 12:03am
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  It makes you wonder who is working in corrections does it not.
  
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  August 15, 2019 8:40am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Posted this last evening, so repeated for the lefties who go home at 4.30 pm. Would hate you to miss out.

Jacinda walks into a Bank to cash a cheque.
As she approaches the cashier she says, “Good morning, Ms could you please
cash this cheque for me?”
Cashier: “It would be my pleasure Sister. Could you please show me your ID?”

Jacinda: “Truthfully, I did not bring my ID with me as I didn’t think there
was any need to.
I am Jacinda Ardern, leader of the labour Party and prime minister of New
Zealand !!!!”

Cashier: “Yes Sister, I know who you are, but with all the regulations and
monitoring of the banks because of impostors and forgers and requirements of
the legislation, etc., I must insist on seeing ID.”

Jacinda : Just ask anyone here at the bank who I am and they will tell you.
Everybody knows who I am.”

Cashier: “I am sorry, Ms Ardern, but these are the bank rules and I must
follow them.”

Jacinda :”Come on please, I am urging you, please cash this cheque.”

Cashier: “Look Ms Ardern, here is an example of what we can do.
One day, Tiger Woods came into the bank without ID.
To prove he was Tiger Woods he pulled out his putter and made a beautiful
shot across the bank into a cup.
With that shot we knew him to be Tiger Woods and cashed his cheque.”

“Another time, Andre Agassi came in without ID.
He pulled out his tennis racket and made a fabulous shot where the tennis
ball landed in my cup.
With that shot we cashed his cheque.
So, Ms Ardern, what can you do to prove that it is you and only you?”

Jacinda stands there thinking and thinking and finally says, “Honestly, my
mind is a total blank…there is nothing that comes to my mind.
I can’t think of a single thing.
I have absolutely no idea what to do.
I don’t have a clue.”

Cashier: “Will that be large or small notes , Ms Ardern?”
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August 15, 2019 8:14am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  @SteveOtto or @moderators
  Please remove my name from that post above
  
  Next thing you will know I’ll have stephieboy posting another nasty innuendo-laden to me as he did last night.
  stephieboy
  MW, give a tick to the following that could be a useful guide where you belong
  
  Believer in Clinton conspiracies ?
  
  Climate denialism?
  
  Islamaphobic ?
  
  Jacindaphbic ?
  
  Trump fangirl?
  
  https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/08/general_debate_14_august_2019.html#comment-2539403
  
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  August 15, 2019 8:25am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I did, bad copy and paste. Appologies
    
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    August 15, 2019 8:33am
    - Tall Man
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_kKAeh6qyc
      
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      August 15, 2019 8:49am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Ok Moderators.
      Let me explain the problem with the above Post by Stephie to MW.
      The whole thing is constructed to smear MW. Posing it as questions does not diminish that intent.
      Because Maggy uses her own name then that Post will appear on Google searches and as such could cause damage to Maggy’s reputation.
      We have already had this problem before when a poster called Griff did this as a deliberate strategy to cause harm to her reputation on this blog and Pete George’s blog.
      It is designed to defame a person.
      The Harmful Digital Comms Act has 10 Principals.
      Amongst them they say that a digital communication should not;
      3. Be grossly offensive
      5. Be used to harass a person
      6. Make a false allegation
      10. denigrate a person’s colour, race, ethnic or national origins, religion, gender, sexual orientation or disability. – I include this one because Maggy’s national origins means she and her family are sensitive to comparisons with Alt right or nazis.
      
      Stephie constantly breaches these against her.
      So do something about it.
      https://www.netsafe.org.nz/the-kit/foundations/legislation/hdc-act/
      
      Maggy, I’m going to post to you Stephie’s name and address so you can file a complaint here;
      https://www.netsafe.org.nz/the-kit/contact-us/
      
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      August 15, 2019 12:30pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        This link contains a list of some of the times Stephie has harassed and denigrated Maggy
        https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/03/general_debate_18_march_2017.html#comment-1893077
        
        Yes, right back to 2017…
        Time for it to be brought to an end.
        
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        August 15, 2019 12:53pm
      - sooty
        
        Mods. Ban the bastard! He wanted to get me to put a single use bag on my head!
        If I lived closer to AK, I would have gone to St Albans and called him out in front of the congreation!
        Something needs to be done about him!
        
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        August 15, 2019 8:15pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    MW, well?
    
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    August 15, 2019 9:14am
    - hookerphil
      
      I haven’t been on this site all that long and have not seen a whole lot of your posts but are you a pervert?
      
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      August 15, 2019 9:58am
      - Cobolt24
        
        Here’s one to prove he is:
        
        https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/02/general_debate_18_february_2019.html/comment-page-1#comment-2431639
        
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        August 15, 2019 10:41am
      - Swifty
        
        Is he a pervert?
        
        Let’s weigh the evidence.
        
        Asks fellow KB posters about their undergarments, stalks female posters, posted porn links, regales KBers about his visits to St Lukes where he oogles young women and comments on their pert young breasts, frequent misspellings and grammatical errors which are a clear sign of typing one-handed.
        
        Verdict?
        
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        August 15, 2019 10:47am
      - stephieboy
        
        Swifty, my future Powerball win will partly be devoted to suing you and others on KB into bankruptcy and financial oblivion!
        
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        August 15, 2019 11:37am
      - Swifty
        
        Dream on Stiffy.
        
        I would welcome the day you are in court and made to confirm that my post is factually correct and that you did in fact say and do those things.
        
        Indeed as hundreds of our fellow KB posters will attest.
        
        What a loser you are. You who regularly slur, label and defame people on here.
        
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        August 15, 2019 11:57am
      - All_on_Red
        
        This is a classic post from Stephie
        stephieboy
        
        Jack 5, recently i was at St Luke’s shopping mall and I saw a Muslim lady dressed in traditional apparel accompanied by her two beautiful young daughters dressed in modern western tight jeans and blouses , revealing lovely supple body proportions , including small but ample breasts .
        Thumb up 1 Thumb down 16REPLY REPORTDECEMBER 3, 2015 2:26PM
        
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        August 15, 2019 1:01pm
      - Swifty
        
        I apologise to Stiffyboy!
        
        He didn’t say ‘pert breasts’ when referring to those young girls at St Lukes – he in fact said ‘small but ample breasts’.
        
        I stand corrected.
        
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        August 15, 2019 1:30pm
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Red, again why does the female body and form makes you feel so deeply shame and disgusted?
        
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        August 15, 2019 2:39pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Nothing Stephie
        What’s disgusting is you leering and perving at young girls.
        You’re a creep
        
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        August 15, 2019 3:04pm
    - sooty
      
      Stalker!
      
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      August 15, 2019 10:23am
      - stephieboy
        
        Stalking whom?
        
        You?
        
        LOL
        
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        August 15, 2019 11:38am
      - All_on_Red
        
        No Stephie
        You’re constantly stalking MW.
        It’s harassment.
        
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        August 15, 2019 12:16pm
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Red , stalking?
        
        Grow up!
        
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        August 15, 2019 2:40pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        “Grow up”
        Hope you have some money set aside for legal expenses
        LOL
        
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        August 15, 2019 3:06pm
John Warren

Our friends in the Pacific, backed by our virtuous Prime Minister, are getting stuck into Australia about coal mining and emissions, but appear to be very silent when it comes to the world’s biggest coal miner and emitter… China.

I just can’t figure it out…
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August 15, 2019 8:14am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Do those pacific friends know NZ imports dirty coal from Indonesia? When we have shitloads of the best coal in the World? Being shipped to Huntly apparently, when Huntly and surrounding area is full of coal.
  Only in NZ.
  
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  August 15, 2019 8:24am
  - srylands
    
    I don’t think that will get a mention.
    
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    August 15, 2019 8:29am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      All part of Labour’s plan. Waste Taxpayer money importing coal and meanwhile put NZ workers out of jobs making them welfare dependant – therefore Labour voters. Free shit buys votes
      
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      August 15, 2019 9:05am
      - rockape
        
        I think most of those miners were hard left union members already. They have just reaped what they sowed.
        
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        August 15, 2019 9:12am
  - Not Sure
    
    Our coal is too good for just burning… its better suited for the manufacturing of steel due to its particular properties.
    
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    August 15, 2019 9:23am
- srylands
  
  Scomo is tying himself in knots talking about “conversations”. He should just speak plainly. Coal is central to the Australian economy and so long as it is in demand it will be exported. Anyway the emissions from coal are the responsibility of the countries that burn it. Not Australia. Those are the accounting rules that New Zealand helped design.
  
  As for Australia’s domestic coal consumption that will only be eliminated by the construction of nuclear power stations. Renewables won’t do the job. Not with 50 million air conditioners to run.
  
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  August 15, 2019 8:28am
  - marcw
    
    There are over 20 shiploads of coal exported each week from Newcastle port alone. It makes the size of NZ’s coal industry look like a cottage industry.
    
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    August 15, 2019 9:00am
- burt
  
  You don’t figure it out – you just believe.
  
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  August 15, 2019 8:35am
  - John Warren
    
    Aha! That’s where I went wrong. Reprogramming shall commence immediately…
    
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    August 15, 2019 9:35am
- Ross12
  
  So the PM pisses off Australia again. Can someone give her a few lessons in diplomacy.
  
  If she thinks Australia will or can afford to give up coal mining and exports then she has absolutely no understanding of the Australian economy or economics in general, at all.
  
  If she had any understanding of the Australian electricity system and what problems they are having now because of major coal fired power stations being closed because of the CC cult she might think twice before rabbiting on.
  First lesson for her –coal fired stations provide all the base load power for Australia ( coal was at 80%, I’m not where it stands now but it still must well over 70%)
  
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  August 15, 2019 9:44am
  - srylands
    
    Coal’s share is about 75 percent.
    
    If the Australian Government really wants to reduce emissions it will need to go nuclear.
    
    But I think it more likely that they will make token (but very expensive) attempts to increase renewables. Of course, if a Labor Government is elected in Australia in the next 10 years, they may make serious attempts to convert to renewables. In which case the lights will go out, and more importantly the air conditioners will stop.
    
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    August 15, 2019 1:19pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Wait till they discover China’s position in Australia’s mineral industry. China plays long term. Chinese business ethics allow sellers to entrap buyers. Tough if you do due diligence and don’t see the fish hooks.
  
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  August 15, 2019 9:59am
kowtow

Newshub radio simulcast “news” just now , two references to “climate change” stories . One being the PM of NZ telling PI countries to hold NZ to account : sorry darling not their place to , that’s for the people of NZ alone .
The other story was about the teen Swede we’re all meant to adore crossing the Atlantic by boat , who cares.

Meanwhile in the real world the shit’s about to hit the fan.

‘Markets slump as recession warning lights start to blink: as it happened’

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/08/14/markets-live-latest-news-pound-euro-ftse-100-germany-recession/?li_source=LI&li_medium=li-recommendation-widget
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August 15, 2019 8:14am
- Tarquin North
  
  I can’t work out why that mad Swedish girl is traveling by boat, why doesn’t she use the spaceship she flew in on?
  
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  August 15, 2019 9:04am
- tf78
  
  kowtow – remember when Jacinda was first selected she told NZrs that we should hold her to account, that’s worked out well so far.
  
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  August 15, 2019 9:04am
- stephieboy
  
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  Kowtow, recession? Nothing to do with Boris Johnson’s Coronation?
  
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  August 15, 2019 9:19am
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh Dear,

Is James Shaw a little bit confused here?

He thinks Simon Bridges is undermining public trust in our statistics.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/396710/simon-bridges-comment-a-very-bad-turn-for-nz-politics-james-shaw

Could someone remind James Shaw that the buck stops at his desk… He was Minister in charge of the Stats debacle.
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August 15, 2019 8:15am
- Tall Man
  
  I don’t think he’s realised he’s already reached the concrete floor of the basement as he is still digging.
  
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  August 15, 2019 8:29am
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    as a climaticest or gold seeker, Shaw should know the rainbow has moved on from the last known position he sighted before he started digging. Was it gold or gas he was looking for or just a hole lotta trouble – now he needs an environmental report before he digs himself in any further.
    
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    August 15, 2019 9:34am
- srylands
  
  The researchers who use the census data have no confidence. That’s what matters.
  
  Just do it again next year. Using the old method. The one that worked. Sure it will cost money but it is better value than buying guns.
  
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  August 15, 2019 8:32am
  - rjay
    
    Can’t they just do what they do with climate data and make it up?
    
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    August 15, 2019 9:26am
- burt
  
  I’m still laughing – you’re suggesting a left wing politician take responsibility for their incompetence.
  
  Oh boy, you’re good….
  
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  August 15, 2019 8:36am
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    burt, like Theresa May?
    
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    August 15, 2019 9:34am
    - burt
      
      Out on her ass. So no, nothing like Theresa May.
      
      You’re not keeping up with much these days, perhaps get a human partner, the goat isn’t challenging your mind enough.
      
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      August 15, 2019 10:41am
  - MH
    
    muttley laughs again
    
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    August 15, 2019 9:35am
- Ruahine
  
  The Head Boy, Shaw, looks to be desperate with his unconvincing continuing verbal abuse of Simon Bridges. I think he feels that he is going to be rolled by the bossy boots women in the so-called Green party.
  
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  August 15, 2019 8:39am
  - Biscuit
    
    Ruahine, I had always imagined that the reason the Red Greens had Male and Female co-leaders was to empower women in their party.
    
    Silly me, eh?
    
    Seems it’s really to make sure a male voice gets heard every now and then…
    
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    August 15, 2019 9:24am
    - John Warren
      
      Would two gender-fluid co-leaders add up the same as one male and one female?
      
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      August 15, 2019 10:56am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      ‘Bring out the gimp’
      
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      August 15, 2019 11:19am
  - Not Sure
    
    And he’d be right to. Did you see her body language in the photo?
    
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    August 15, 2019 9:25am
- rockape
  
  The failures were not failures of the system, they were failures of its implementation and that ball is in Shaw’s court!
  
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  August 15, 2019 9:09am
  - Bullion
    
    The methodology was set long before the last election.
    
    Here is a March 2016 press release:
    http://archive.stats.govt.nz/tools_and_services/media-centre/2018-census-releases/census-test-tonight.aspx
    
    Here are more press releases, all prior to the last election, relating to methodology changes to the census:
    http://archive.stats.govt.nz/tools_and_services/media-centre/2018-census-releases.aspx
    
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    August 15, 2019 10:27am
    - Bullion
      
      Here is Minister for Statistics Craig Foss in 2015:
      
      We want to turn that around in 2018, with at least 70 per cent of New Zealanders completing their census online
      
      https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/census-submissions-go-online
      
      And again in 2016:
      
      “For 2018, Statistics NZ is building new, responsive mobile versions of the census forms, along with tablet and desktop versions, to make it as easy as possible for all Kiwis to access and complete their forms.
      
      We’re aiming for 70 per cent of forms to be completed online. This is an ambitious goal, doubling the 34 per cent achieved in 2013.
      
      Collecting census data online means Statistics NZ can produce the census counts and other robust census-related information much, much faster.”
      
      https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/foss-welcomes-date-2018-census
      
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      August 15, 2019 10:37am
- stephieboy
  
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  MW, yes but you have to go back to beyond pre 23/09/17 and see how things began to unravel!
  
  Yes?
  
  And what about Simon and The MobilityOS project?
  
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  August 15, 2019 9:33am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Shaw undermines confidence. Who ignored the realities of on-line elections for non-nerds? The Departmental admin have been shown to have been bereft in management skills. Minster Shaw had a duty to see that he was capable of overseeing the admin required.
  Do we have to have an employment agency vet future cabinet positions and test for skills?
  
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  August 15, 2019 10:09am
- Bullion
  
  Its stupid to think that the years of consultation, development and testing of the new census methodology could be turned around in the 130 days Shaw was Minister of Statistics. It was all set in stone long before the election
  http://archive.stats.govt.nz/tools_and_services/media-centre/2018-census-releases.aspx
  https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/census-submissions-go-online
  https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/foss-welcomes-date-2018-census
  
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  August 15, 2019 10:45am
  - Not Sure
    
    So, obvious omnishambles clearly defined on the horizon.
    Responsible Minister does absolutely nothing about it because it’s only 130 days away and it’s the other teams fault?
    
    Seems legit.
    
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    August 15, 2019 1:43pm
    - Bullion
      
      Here is the independent review of the 2018 census:
      https://www.stats.govt.nz/assets/Uploads/Report-of-the-Independent-Review-of-New-Zealands-2018-Census/independent-review-report.pdf
      
      pg 72 has a table of the ministers, period of tenure and significant census decisions taken during this time.
      
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      August 15, 2019 3:11pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    The buck stops with the Minister. Whoever accepts that Office has to have the ability to carry it out.
    
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    August 15, 2019 5:24pm
secondcumming

*Wall Street* continues to roll the dice and scoops the weak longs off the table
Dow currently -850pts. S&P -82 and falling.

*The House* always wins 😎
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August 15, 2019 8:32am
hullkiwi

Seems Kelvin has a problem. Someone forgot to do their job (Tarrant sent a letter from Paremoremo), to read, screen and withhold a letter if necessary.

So, Kelvin’s response “Corrections must own the problem”. They have, they have apologised to the minister. But Kelvin doesn’t know when to stop. He then carries on, we’ll review what happened and pass legislation if necessary to stop this happening again.

For the benefit of Kelvin, Stephie and other lefty trolls:

1. Legislation is a waste of time, it will not make or compel a person to do their job properly; and

2. Despite what you think of Tarrant, he is a prisoner being held on remand, he has not been tried yet and he has not been found guilty – so, because you don’t like him or what he is accuse of, you are going to take away his rights to communicate?

And one final thing, your interview on Morning Report was an appalling performance by an unprepared Minister who gave an inept performance. Do yourself and us a favour, go back in the witless protection programme.
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August 15, 2019 8:32am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  The only mistake made with Tarrant was the failure to put a bullet in him when they stopped his car.
  
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  August 15, 2019 8:53am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Besides, Andrew Little has told us it is “fascist” to deny prisoners their civic rights.
  
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  August 15, 2019 8:53am
  - Bell-47
    
    ROCK – LITTLE – HARD PLACE
    
    Created by his own words and policies.
    
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    August 15, 2019 9:49am
- Ross12
  
  But hullkiwi , did Tarrant put it on the correct letterhead?
  
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  August 15, 2019 9:48am
- cmm
  
  Laws only stop honest people, but they allow the hand wringers to feel like they have done something.
  
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  August 15, 2019 9:52am
- Straight arrow
  
  The law is fine. Two letters had been withheld. Newshub printed:
  “Tarrant’s letter to Russia, which was posted on 4chan on Tuesday, contained what seems to be a direct call to action to his white supremacist fanbase.”
  
  Contrast that with an overseas view:
  “While the letter doesn’t have any specific call to action for violence or instruct the recipient to commit any crimes, it does touch briefly on race and ends with a vague reminder which could provoke a reaction from extremists.”
  
  Obvious to us all now what that means with 20/20 hindsight, but Newshub overstating the potential: it is not if someone reads Tarrant’s letters and goes “yes, I had forgotten to do a terrorist act today”.
  
  I am sure Corrections will now be more vigilant.
  
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  August 15, 2019 10:05am
Inandout

There was a media guy on TV3 bemoaning the demise of NZ Stuff, TV1 and 3. Then he goes on a tirade about Tarrant and ‘white extremists’. They still fail to see why they are becoming irrelevant, Tarrant is a ‘man of all causes’, but of course white extremist just rolls of the tongue. Then we have the lies that flow about the Sydney stabber, failing to mention he may have been a recent Muslim convert.
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August 15, 2019 8:35am
hullkiwi

Now for a case of they can go and take a flying leap….

The Christchurch victims and supporters, can [mod: deleted]….

There are demands from within their community that the trial of Tarrant next year should be delayed (because the start of the trial falls in Rhamedahn, and they don’t want the court to sit on Friday.

In case they had forgotten, this is New Zealand, unless Saudi Arabia is paying for the trial too, they can [deleted]. The NZ justice system is clogged up as it is, it does not need to conduct trials at the convenience of different groups within the community.

[Mod: you may not like Islam, but common decency is still expected]
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August 15, 2019 8:39am
- Tall Man
  
  Good points made though 😉
  
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  August 15, 2019 8:51am
  - kloyd0306
    
    …..yet the moderator is not prepared to allow the use of the uptick/downtick feature which is supposed to act as a barometer.
    
    Perhaps we are not trusted?
    
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    August 15, 2019 2:51pm
- cmm
  
  Mod, I do not think hullkiwi is saying things to be anti-Islam, but rather to push back on the demands that we modify our cultural practices to conform to other cultural practices.
  
  People coming into a society should not be demanding that the receiving society changes to make them feel comfortable.
  
  Life is a box of compromises: you can’t just demand what you want.
  
  Almost all the people involved willingly moved from somewhere else that they did not like to NZ which they like. In doing so they chose to make some compromises: learn to drive on the different side of the road, can’t slaughter goats in the street or fire off your AK47 at birthday parties, stop beating their women, etc etc. One of those compromises is to fit in with out judicial system.
  
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  August 15, 2019 10:04am
  - stephieboy
    
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    cmm, the facts are Muslims here are prepared to abide by our laws which prohibits the ritual slaughter of cattle, goats, sheep etc in our streets including so-called (said in stupid ignorance) Mt Roskillstan!
    
    Not forgetting firing off AK47s on birthdays etc!
    
    You should know much better!
    
    Right?
    
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    August 15, 2019 11:30am
    - cmm
      
      You’re cherry-picking from a false strawman again.
      
      It is not just the laws (which they want to change by the way), but cultural norms and values too – be that special handling in our courts, medical and other systems or special women only pool times.
      
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      August 15, 2019 11:58am
      - Swifty
        
        There’s plenty of unlawful homekill around Mt Roskill.
        
        Plenty!
        
        I know of cockies in the northern Waikato moving 50 sheep a week easily. And the numbers explode over Eid.
        
        Would you believe it? Animal sacrifice in the backyards of Auckland. In 2019!
        
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        August 15, 2019 12:08pm
      - stephieboy
        
        cmm , who says they want to change our laws. No more or no less than you!
        
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        August 15, 2019 2:42pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Swifty , anecdoatal goss and rubbish!
        
        Try to stick to evidence and facts inspite they are so alien to you!
        
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        August 15, 2019 2:44pm
      - Swifty
        
        It seems I know more people and get about more than you in your beloved Mt Roskillstan.
        
        Just because you can’t bring yourself to face the facts it doesn’t mean it’s not true.
        
        I can make two phone calls and have sheep or goats delivered to my house within 24 hours – or I can pick up.
        
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        August 15, 2019 3:44pm
  - hullkiwi
    
    cmm, you got it in one. My language may not have been polite, but the point was don’t come here and tell us that NZ society must conform to their religious practices. I am sure we would be told to take a flying leap if we told authorities in Dubai or Riyadh that we don’t want a court hearings on Sunday because it is the Christian day of Worship etc.
    
    [Mod: you can make exactly that point without throwing casual insults at the victims of a terrorist attack, and you have just managed it in this comment ?]
    
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    August 15, 2019 11:43am
cmm

A bit keystone… stealing a cop car and guns from the cops.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/115014121/driver-rammed-police-cars-guns-taken
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August 15, 2019 8:51am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  and reposted from Waikatogirl over on ysb
  
  Guns stolen from police car in Gore
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/08/guns-stolen-from-police-car-in-gore-southlanders-warned-to-be-vigilant.html
  
  It will be more of those untrustworthy licensed gun owners targeted by the COL. // ?
  
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  August 15, 2019 8:56am
  - sooty
    
    The cops want to look after our guns and they can’t look after their own, again!
    
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    August 15, 2019 9:03am
  - stephieboy
    
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    MW, you are not suggesting that we need to repaal the recent gun control legislation supported by the Nats?
    
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    August 15, 2019 9:39am
    - Not Sure
      
      We don’t need gun control.
      We need idiot control.
      
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      August 15, 2019 9:51am
      - stephieboy
        
        “We need idiot control” ??
        
        Like many on here and elsewhere?
        
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        August 15, 2019 11:40am
      - Not Sure
        
        one name leaps to mind….
        
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        August 15, 2019 1:21pm
    - Inandout
      
      stephie, you do dance on the head of a pin.
      
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      August 15, 2019 10:00am
    - sooty
      
      Stephie, now you are just been silly,
      You really, really must try harder!
      
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      August 15, 2019 10:29am
  - Swifty
    
    Leaving your firearms in a car unattended is a criminal offence.
    
    As we have seen they can fall into the wrong hands as a result.
    
    Will the plods be charged?
    
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    August 15, 2019 10:23am
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      ‘Course not. They’ll be counseled because of our thoughts about them making them sad… and one of them will make Commissioner. They were so scared of the Scary Black Gunthingys they fled the Evil Ones’ vicinity at the earliest opportunity.
      
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      August 15, 2019 10:58am
- rjay
  
  Not a problem. By law the guns have to be handed in to the police under the buyback. See- all sorted and we are safe again.
  
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  August 15, 2019 8:56am
  - sooty
    
    Well arn’t you just the comedian!
    
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    August 15, 2019 10:30am
  - Right of way is Way of Right
    
    Where they can be stolen, again, and handed back, again, and again, and again!
    
    Finally, the Coalition of Chaos have created a growth industry!
    
    (Well, that’s what they’ll claim, anyhow!)
    
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    August 15, 2019 8:16pm
Chuck Bird

I wonder if Brenton Tarrant’s letter will be banned soon and will viewing Ch 4 be a crime.
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August 15, 2019 8:54am
- septic skeptic
  
  Of coursecif they treated it the same as the manifesto, then corrections would be prosecuted for distributing offensive material – surely?
  
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  August 15, 2019 9:03am
- stephieboy
  
  I would have thought Ch4 would be standard fare for many of KB’s alt-right!?
  
  https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=10155513178536939
  
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  August 15, 2019 9:41am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    ^^^ Ugly little troll, so filled with hate that dedicates his days to pointless sniping at people he doesn’t know. Not a very good advertisement for membership of his church is he? His fellow congregants must be incredibly tolerant and patient people to put up with such an arsehole.
    
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    August 15, 2019 10:56am
    - stephieboy
      
      UN , answer honestly my question, please! I thought you would agree with the item on ch4 about Africans?
      
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      August 15, 2019 11:32am
      - Swifty
        
        You never answer questions here – why the hell should UN answer yours?
        
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        August 15, 2019 12:01pm
  - herb1
    
    isn’t it lucky for you Stephie , that you are such a failure in life , don’t have a job to go to , and can make inane comments all day , funded by taxpayers
    
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    August 15, 2019 11:02am
    - sooty
      
      He’s a stalker as well!
      
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      August 15, 2019 11:39am
Maggie Pie

Is there anyone alive here today that remembers these? OR: even knows what it is?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EA6agESX4BI99pK?format=png&name=900×900
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August 15, 2019 8:59am
- rockape
  
  Yes , it is called a pig. Its a hot water bottle for your bed had one as a kid in Scotland. Needs putting in a wool cover if you dont want burned feet!
  
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  August 15, 2019 9:06am
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    Ditto – Ulster.
    
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    August 15, 2019 2:31pm
- tf78
  
  Is it a mans pee pot?
  
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  August 15, 2019 9:07am
- Swifty
  
  Bed warmer.
  
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  August 15, 2019 9:24am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    My hubby doesn’t look anything like that.
    
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    August 15, 2019 9:44am
    - John Warren
      
      But that is especially adapted to one specific task. One assumes your hubby has other functions as well.
      
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      August 15, 2019 10:58am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Cat-minder when I’m o/s.
        
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        August 15, 2019 11:36am
- MH
  
  The Auckland Hospital Board would like it back thanks, as would several whisky drinkers from Ward 18.
  
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  August 15, 2019 9:57am
Maggie Pie

Popped into the local Indian dairy on my way home this morning to get a few rotted bananas and a carton of eggs. I was going to make a cake. The lady on the till asked if I’d like to buy a bag for 20 cents? That really pisses me off. I replied, “Nah, got a cupboard full of them at home already”. Should have known better. As i turned into our driveway the bloody eggs fell off the seat and four broke. Yet i read where Cloud Water in Christchurch are sending more than 2 million plastic bottles to China every day.
I blame that silly old Eugenie Sage 🙁
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August 15, 2019 9:40am
- Kiwi Dave
  
  I bought a bacon hock today from Pak’n’Save. Despite being vacuum sealed by Hellaby in its own stout plastic wrap, the hock came with cling film and a plastic tray, presumably added by PnS to fully ensure the environment was protected from bacon pollution.
  
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  August 15, 2019 1:54pm
  - sooty
    
    Maggie Pie, if you have too many, just make a little pile and set fire to them! You could add a tyre or two as well!
    
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    August 15, 2019 3:37pm
Prince

Mosque accused sent seven letters:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-shooting/115013153/mosque-attacks-accused-has-sent-seven-letters-two-others-withheld-minister-reveals

Corrections takes Ardern’s ‘Year of Delivery’ literally.
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August 15, 2019 9:44am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  I am really surprised that Tarrant can be denied written communication with outside world, smacks of ‘evil-empire’ totalitarianism. Surely he is permitted some degree of communication under law?
  
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  August 15, 2019 10:49am
  - MCos
    
    He can get stuffed as far as I’m concerned, even if it means passing a special act of parliament.
    
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    August 15, 2019 11:22am
    - sooty
      
      Cindy says no!
      But that is different from what Angryis spining for prisoners!
      
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      August 15, 2019 11:36am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    “Surely he is permitted some degree of communication under law?”
    
    Why should a prick who kills 51 people be permitted anything under law?
    He should count himself lucky that he’s permitted to eat.
    
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    August 15, 2019 11:39am
    - Albert_Ross
      
      Because we try to do justice properly in this country?
      
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      August 15, 2019 11:49am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Tarrant spoke with his manifesto and livestream. His guilt has been well established. His crime is so unusual that special consideration may be required.
        What’s the need to have a trial a further 12 months out?
        
        He presents strongly as a megalomaniac in his manifesto. I’m sure it was a political act not to put him away immediately as a psycho. None one would release him there and he would not be allowed what he might expect in prison.
        
        It’s not too late to make a special case and law if needed.
        
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        August 15, 2019 5:34pm
    - Jules99
      
      If we ignore due process and the rule of law then we are no better than Somalia. He’s not had his day in court yet.
      
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      August 15, 2019 1:11pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Vanishing individuals inside prison systems with no contact to outside world is a hall-mark of the worst sort of regimes. I’ve no love for him or anyone in jail, but it is necessary to preserve some freedoms to prevent political abuses from occurring now or in future.
      
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      August 15, 2019 1:42pm
Prince

Stuff should really stop publishing All Blacks ‘team photo’ by photoshopping heads onto a library ‘team’ photo.
It looks ridiculous.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/115014070/bledisloe-cup-jeff-wilson-backs-change-of-wings-for-all-blacks-against-wallabies
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August 15, 2019 9:48am
John Warren

A friend sent me this link last night. The host is Peta Cardlin, for those not already familiar with her. She came to my attention when she stuck it right up Jacinda over the criminal deportation issue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9EqGa3PvNo&feature=share

Climate change is the new fascism, as somebody said the other day, and of course Pacific Islanders are the first with their hands out as it becomes yet another means of wealth redistribution. I wonder how much of the $150m will actually buy water tanks, and how much will end up as baubles for chiefs?
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August 15, 2019 9:57am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Australia is giving $500m in Climate change Funds to the Pacific Islands.
  https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/morrison-to-give-500m-in-climate-change-funds-to-pacific/news-story/9624cd0d62301bc2c8b4a0f68bfd7492
  
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  August 15, 2019 11:06am
  - stephieboy
    
    MW, and we have given I believe $150 million
    
    Bravo!
    
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    August 15, 2019 11:43am
    - srylands
      
      Who is “we”? How much did you give?
      
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      August 15, 2019 1:21pm
    - backster
      
      Might all b a waste of time and money https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_zfMyzXqfI&feature=push-prem-sub&attr_tag=lATxYfZcUnmZ3ShK%3A6
      
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      August 15, 2019 2:07pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      $1 for climate change is too much for a scam.
      
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      August 15, 2019 5:36pm
- Ross12
  
  John
  Peta Credlin and Alan Jones had a fantastic interview with Nil-Axel Morner , a Swedish expert on sea level rise, a few weeks ago. The video of it got hundreds of thousands of views ( 350K last time I looked). It was shared on Facebook a lot, but because it went against the “narrative” Facebook blocked it recently.
  
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  August 15, 2019 11:07am
  - stephieboy
    
    Ross12, its here,
    
    https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=2136621993305406
    
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    August 15, 2019 11:45am
    - Ross12
      
      Well it is good to see they put it up again stephieboy.
      
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      August 15, 2019 12:08pm
- gravedodger
  
  Credlin??
  
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  August 15, 2019 11:27am
  - John Warren
    
    D’uh, yes. The stupid phone auto-corrected it to Cardlin for some reason known only to Samsung and God.
    
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    August 15, 2019 11:53am
rangitoto

Australia hit by global warming

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-49327172

Kangaroos blame Jacinda for not taking enough island holidays to boost CO2 levels.
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August 15, 2019 10:14am
MH

Any chance of a prisoner exchange for ex Hong Kongers for the Ihumourmato mob ?
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August 15, 2019 10:20am
srylands

Why has Roger Douglas not been awarded an Order of New Zealand? There is currently one vacancy.
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August 15, 2019 10:30am
- Swifty
  
  He most certainly deserves it.
  
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  August 15, 2019 11:00am
  - srylands
    
    The last Government should have given him one. Won’t happen now.
    
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    August 15, 2019 1:23pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

MSM want public funding:
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/the-problem-with-news-in-new-zealand/ar-AAFOcLB?li=BBSVtLJ
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August 15, 2019 11:04am
- cmm
  
  They already get it. RNZ and all that.
  
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  August 15, 2019 11:22am
  - sooty
    
    No way.
    The useless lying toadies!
    If they stopped making shit up and reported the news, their business would be in better shape and people might pay for it.
    The sooner they die the better!
    
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    August 15, 2019 11:31am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      I’m not happy about it, but I suspect it is somewhat inevitable and is effectively happening already through huge RNZ, TVNZ and Maori programming subsidies. NZ is too small for reporting to survive without it, and we do need it for proper democracy (which needs an informed populace) to survive.
      
      So given it is likely to happen what is absolutely critical is to create a mechanism to remove bias from the state sponsored media captured by leftie luvvies. Perhaps a govt pay-per-article read/view so that populace supports what they actually look at rather than what govt of day wants us to look at, or what left wing MSM wants us to look at (which is what is happening now). If a newer site like BFD or kiwiblog or Interest.co.nz or (god forbid) the Stranded is getting eyeballs then they should be the ones getting the state money ahead of the legacy usual suspects.
      
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      August 15, 2019 1:09pm
- DigNap15
  
  How about closing all of the Maori radio stations (paid for by us)
  And take off all the maori programming on tvnz and tv3 and put it all on Maori tv.
  And Take Jack Tame with them.
  
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  August 15, 2019 5:58pm
Bullion

Bridges is using the census problems as a pretext to attack the credibility of ALL data produced by Stats NZ – so CPI, unemployment figures, GDP etc. are less likely to be trusted if it does not fit a particular political narrative.

He is ushering in post-truth politics into NZ.
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August 15, 2019 11:06am
- Prince
  
  Shaw said, during his diatribe yesterday, he was introducing 120 new ‘wellbeing’ stats which is why he wanted the portfolio.
  It isn’t Bridges who is throwing Dept Stats credibility under the bus and driving stats to fit a particular political narrative.
  This Govt is re-writing history, subverting the media, and creating a false set of measurements to suit their narrative.
  
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  August 15, 2019 11:59am
- alloytoo
  
  Post truth politics arrived when Jacinda declared that her government would be the most open and transparent “Eva”.
  
  Had me reaching for my bookshelf under “Orwell”….once I had controlled the retching.
  
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  August 15, 2019 12:26pm
  - MH
    
    orwell that ends well
    
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    August 15, 2019 1:18pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Actually, they are transparent. Look they let Tarrant’s letter out….
    
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    August 15, 2019 5:50pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

Epstein death ruling: Was killed by wealthy paedo.
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August 15, 2019 11:22am
- cmm
  
  Yeah we know, but which one?
  
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  August 15, 2019 11:32am
  - stephieboy
    
    cmm, in your paranoid fantasies which one?
    
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    August 15, 2019 11:46am
    - burt
      
      I’m not surprised you’re running interference for someone accused of running a child sex ring – but just to clarify; Are you doing this because you believe it’s perfect behaviour to marry a 9 year old?
      
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      August 15, 2019 1:24pm
- SGA
  
  To be a pedant – paedophiles are sexually attracted to prepubescents (under 12 as a rough figure). While Epstein sounds like an A-grade creep, he probably doesn’t count as a paedophile (technically speaking) from what I’ve read.
  
  Ephebophilia probably describes him better – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephebophilia
  
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  August 15, 2019 11:47am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    He admitted it! he’s a Peadant, get ‘im boy’s!
    
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    August 15, 2019 4:17pm
    - SGA
      
      Moi? A peadant? Never. (It is spelt pedant, though 🙂 )
      
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      August 15, 2019 5:08pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Just fussy…….. and a good thing too with all the lefty turds around.
        
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        August 15, 2019 5:56pm
    - Tall Man
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PirVtiJuvDs
      
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      August 15, 2019 5:42pm
- chaos
  
  Or by his employer
  
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  August 15, 2019 12:17pm
sooty

Cindy gives $150mill to the pacific islands for climate change!
How about looking after New Zealanders first!
You know like hospitables and all that shit!
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August 15, 2019 11:23am
- cmm
  
  Each PI country has a UN vote. CinD4UN!
  
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  August 15, 2019 11:34am
  - kowtow
    
    Oz taxpayers’ putting up $500 mil and we’re $150 mil in.
    
    This is a bribe to keep those PI ‘s in our hegemony.
    
    I say fuck em, let the Chinese buy them , we’ll get no thanks from the PI’s anyway.
    
    We’d be better off spending the dough on our military , we’re going to need it .
    
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    August 15, 2019 12:28pm
- Ross12
  
  Has anyone asked what the $150mill will be used for or is it just a figure plucked out of the air?
  Will there be an accounting for how it is used or will there just a be a bank transfer and then forgotten about?
  This is a lot of tax payer’s money and tax payers have a right to know how the figure was arrived at and where it will be spent.
  
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  August 15, 2019 2:51pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    What vote item has the $150M come under?
    
    How come the PM has access to such a slush fund?
    That what’s Parliament’s vote is for to pre-approve the expenditure of public monies.
    
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    August 15, 2019 5:41pm
    - Ross12
      
      Kev
      I think it comes from the $300mill. Climate
      Fund —the one that Shaw was proposing giving Fonterra $100mill towards getting rid of their coal fired boilers. If I’m right there is not much left in the fund.
      
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      August 15, 2019 8:17pm
- stephieboy
  
  sooty, pales in comaprions to the $20 billion defence spend up,
  
  https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/nzs-hercules-aircraft-set-replaced-new-fleet-cost-in-excess-1-billion
  
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  August 15, 2019 2:53pm
Liberty

Once again Dear leader is squandering $300million on the climate gravy train.
The Question is
Is this fairy dust from the slush fund. Or was it allocated in the May budget.?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12258645
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August 15, 2019 11:40am
- cmm
  
  If, hypothetically, climate change is one day proven to be a crock of shit will they give the money back and repay all the extra tax we’ve paid?
  
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  August 15, 2019 12:01pm
  - chaos
    
    short answer, no.
    
    Long answer, look the planet hasn’t heated up, it’s cooling down, see we made a difference, we stopped global warming……….
    
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    August 15, 2019 12:12pm
  - alloytoo
    
    Hypothetically can we institute a class action suit against Greenpeace?
    
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    August 15, 2019 12:28pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Millenialists like the Jehovah’s witnesses and thermageddonists never back down on their nutty predictions, they just push the dates back again and again to try and keep the party going. Fervent believers find it very hard to admit they were wrong and so tend to studiously ignore such failures of prognostication.
    
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    August 15, 2019 1:57pm
- Straight arrow
  
  Probably was, but following the money is so difficult you need a forensic accounting degree, especially if tracking expenditure over several years.
  
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  August 15, 2019 12:06pm
Straight arrow

Watch Netanyahu’s campaign ad ahead of the Sept 17 election (English subtitles). Great piece of electioneering. Read Donny’s explanations of imagery down the tweets.

https://twitter.com/rafsanchez/status/1161553888576778240
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August 15, 2019 11:49am
BeaB

You have to admire them. Once they get their fists on our money there’s no stopping them.
Notice how little we are hearing about the prices being paid for the now illegal guns?
Do you think it might be because people are going away very happy with the generous amounts they are getting?
If this government can’t even keep track of letters being sent out by someone in solitary confinement, how can we expect them to do anything properly?
Jacinda the Babbling Bumbler.
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August 15, 2019 11:57am
- rangitoto
  
  Dear Mrs Windsor,
  
  Could you please sack the bunch of clowns currently running your New Zealand Government. Putting them up for an extended spell in that nice Tower of yours wouldn’t hurt either.
  
  Your loyal subject.
  
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  August 15, 2019 1:11pm
chaos

One of my parents were on the waiting list to have a cataract operation, they were informed by their specialist the government has raised the points needed for it by 15 points and they no longer meet the points to have it done. But all will be fine because jacinda has told the pacific islands today she has ring fenced $150 million for them from a $300 million fund. How about taking care of your own people first jacinda. Let’s be honest jacinda, the only climate change model that has been accurate is the one pointing to a cooling.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/08/pm-jacinda-ardern-commits-150-million-to-fight-climate-change-in-the-pacific.html

How about jacinda
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August 15, 2019 12:08pm
- Jack5
  
  Spot on in your post, Chaos.
  
  A big criterion in Government spending now is PR, because, well that’s what Jacinderella’s educational background and international socialism give her a propensity for.
  
  Her lackey media, now very largely Left wing, warmly publicise and praise cash for global warming and for minorities. As far as the media are concerned, the majority can just disappear, as it has largely done from the paid circulation of print survivors.
  
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  August 15, 2019 1:04pm
- Jules99
  
  My father can no longer read the newspaper but apparently that’s not bad enough to qualify for a cataract operation. So, he’s decided to pay private, which is costing a lot, because, since his stroke he can’t do much else. So sad that a man who paid up all his life is now neglected by this government.
  
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  August 15, 2019 1:06pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I know it’s not the same as reading a newspaper for yourself… but one of the volunteer activities I do is Local newspaper reading for the blind.
    
    It is a service provided by the Blind Foundation and means anyone with sight impairment can find out daily local and National news by listening to a reader recording via their phone.
    
    There’s hoardes of services/sight aids your father could access, if you or he contact your local Blind Foundation. (it’s for sight-impaired folk as well as legally blind).
    
    (I’m on reading duty for the Gisborne Herald tomorrow).
    
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    August 15, 2019 1:49pm
    - Jules99
      
      I’ll look that up – might take some of the work off his wife. Thanks
      
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      August 15, 2019 2:53pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Here’s their website.
        https://blindfoundation.org.nz/?gclid=Cj0KCQjw4s7qBRCzARIsAImcAxaxAqmBBRQg_QDfbQ-lDBWrzOMLXzZzyrPh2DeXUbbCKTmXFXzgUZsaAiyYEALw_wcB
        Your Health/Vision professionals should know how to access their services.
        
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        August 15, 2019 3:23pm
      - Fletch
        
        There’s also a Chrome or Firefox extension called Read Aloud, that will read a webpage, or selected text on a webpage for you. The voice isn’t too bad. Quite understandable.
        
        https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/read-aloud-a-text-to-spee/hdhinadidafjejdhmfkjgnolgimiaplp
        
        It’s good to turn the reading speed down, very slightly.
        
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        August 15, 2019 3:34pm
      - chaos
        
        Microsoft Edge insider has read aloud built into it
        
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        August 15, 2019 7:03pm
    - rangitoto
      
      If I were to do that in Auckland and I had to read the Horrid to someone, I would want to be paid an odium allowance.
      
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      August 15, 2019 3:10pm
  - chaos
    
    Yeah, sadly it looks like this government is going to be pushing record numbers of people away from the public health system into private health
    
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    August 15, 2019 4:33pm
  - Ian Boag
    
    Cataract surgery for two eyes is about $10k.
    
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    August 15, 2019 6:11pm
- burt
  
  I’m sad to report the next stage of this process to you. What happens next, after being denied surgery for many years, is your parent will be told they are now too sick to survive the surgery. I’ve seen this pattern with my parents, it’s soul destroying.
  
  But, all is not lost – while you are going through this you get to listen to lefties telling you we have a world class health system.
  
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  August 15, 2019 1:13pm
  - srylands
    
    The public hospitals work fine if you have an emergency. But for anything elective you need health insurance. If I fell on hard times it would be the last thing I gave up.
    
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    August 15, 2019 1:28pm
    - burt
      
      Agree they work well for emergencies. The medical staff are ( in my experience ) excellent. The overall organisation is dysfunctional and self serving, which is exactly what we’d expect from any monopoly.
      
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      August 15, 2019 1:44pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Maggie may want to pop in here. I’m sure that as a “coal face” worker she may have invaluable input.
        
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        August 15, 2019 5:30pm
  - chaos
    
    It is disturbing the amount of damage labour is doing that has not been picked up by the media
    
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    August 15, 2019 2:57pm
    - burt
      
      Only in a monopoly would you decide the way to deal with waiting times and waiting lists is to stop measuring them.
      
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      August 15, 2019 4:39pm
Maggie Pie

My partner reckons our Corrections Dept should look at offering jobs to those two
prison guards from New York who were watching Einstein.
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August 15, 2019 12:17pm
- rangitoto
  
  Here’s a statement from one of them:
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmzsWxPLIOo
  
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  August 15, 2019 12:57pm
kowtow

Plunket on magictalk thinks a NZBC funded by taxpayers would solve the legacy lamestream media crisis by providing “quality”

NZBC would just be another woke fest of climate change , BLM , race division, TDS ,socialism , globalism and Jacindamania.

My advice to the bright young things in the legacy media : learn to code.
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August 15, 2019 1:07pm
- burt
  
  If they learn to code they will also learn that just repeating things that don’t work isn’t how to get people to believe they do.
  
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  August 15, 2019 1:20pm
- Tall Man
  
  He’s only halfway sensible but time will get him the rest of the way.
  
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  August 15, 2019 5:35pm
Fletch

Yes, Google does edit or block search results. An insider blows the whistle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1VeElBAeas

Internal documents from Google. You can view them all here –

https://www.projectveritas.com/google-document-dump/
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August 15, 2019 1:38pm
godruelf

Alan Jones was not very impressed by our Cindy on 2GB this morning Shove a sock down her throat
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August 15, 2019 1:45pm
alex Masterley

“Light weight” “Cargo Cult Mentality”
Descriptions of our beloved Prime Minister from accross the ditch.
Our Aussie friends telling it as they see it, well her.
Are they right? Discuss.
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August 15, 2019 1:45pm
- sooty
  
  Bloody oaf, mate!
  Just like a dingos droppings!
  
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  August 15, 2019 3:26pm
stoptheboats

all the virtue signalling from our Look at Me PM wont make a scrap of difference to the Aussies,or the climate for that matter. Fiji PM can frank off too and stick to coups and cuddling up to China
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August 15, 2019 3:19pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  And won’t make a scrap of difference because of Corruption throughout the S. Pacific.
  
  “Climate change is sexy. It’s a real issue in the Pacific but unless you have got good governance and integrity, all the money, everything that is going to be spent to make climate change more manageable is gonna be lost.”
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/international/pacific-news/382733/pacific-group-aims-to-strengthen-reporting-on-corruption
  
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  August 15, 2019 3:35pm
  - kowtow
    
    ‘The committee was birthed…..’
    
    Crickey , is that even English ?
    
    Climate change is sexy , yep but talking about third world countries as corrupt is racist !
    
    Much easier just to hand over tax payers’ hard earned loola under the virtue signalling of climate change , or some other “development” scam.
    
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    August 15, 2019 4:00pm
    - sooty
      
      Who’s going to own that statement?
      They have to be woke!
      
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      August 15, 2019 4:59pm
Happychappy

Allen Jones give Jacinda a serve with shove a sock down her throat.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/08/shove-a-sock-down-her-throat-australian-broadcaster-alan-jones-blasts-jacinda-ardern.html
The silly little girl is making herself unpopular.
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August 15, 2019 3:56pm
- rangitoto
  
  Perhaps he should have said “zip it sweetie”
  
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  August 15, 2019 4:24pm
- Tall Man
  
  Mission accomplished I would say.
  
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  August 15, 2019 5:06pm
- MCos
  
  Criticism in those terms is the least we could expect from a person of Jones’ reputation as a rabid climate change denying fundamentalist.
  
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  August 15, 2019 8:11pm
  - Tall Man
    
    And what would you expect him to say when confronted by a loudmouthed twit like ardern busily telling the rest of the world what to do while Kiwis are dying because they can’t get first world medical treatment.
    
    Our cities are becoming more jammed up because “roads are evil”………
    
    Those of you who voted for this harridan and the enabler “what’s in it for wynston” owe this country an abject apology.
    
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    August 16, 2019 9:19am
Nostradamus

Stephieboy said this up-thread:

Swifty, my future Powerball win will partly be devoted to suing you and others on KB into bankruptcy and financial oblivion!

That legal threat reminded me of this one from Stephieboy last year:

Stephieboy: Nostradamus and nasska, Your erudtions from yeserday ,

Nasska: And we worry about stephieboy fondling his goats!
Me: I don’t think Stephieboy could be charged with “1,460 counts of sexual intercourse with an animal”. For one thing, there aren’t that many goats in NZ

If I had the wherewithal I would take delight in suing the both of you into bankjruptcy [sic]

Nasska: Harden up petal. The pain you feel is just the weakness leaving your body!
Me: Dream on. I’ll defend your defamation claim (plenty of comments on Kiwiblog to establish your “reputation” that you claim has been defamed) and countersue you for my legal costs
Maggy: I’ll pay for your QC, Nostradamus.
Longknives” What is “Bankjruptcy”? Is that when you can’t afford the bus fare to St Luke’s Mall to leer at the teenage girls?
Stephieboy: Ah , bankruptcy! Or financial ruin! Which one do your prefer?
Nasska:Better add him to the list stephieboy!
All_on_Red: #MeToo
Longknives: Oh No!- Please don’t throw me in the Briar Patch Stephieboy! Allah have Mercy…
Nasska: It’s going to be an epic court case. By the time they’ve done a head count of all the defendants it’ll be time for lunch.

Stephieboy must be hoping for a big Powerball win to take down all of his perceived targets. But, of course, he has the problem that his perverted comments (and there are many of them) are available on Kiwiblog as convenient footnotes in a statement of claim (or statement of defence) if he wants to play with (legal) fire!
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August 15, 2019 4:38pm
- Swifty
  
  What a dropkick he is.
  
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  August 15, 2019 5:32pm
Happychappy

Broken bones in Jeffery Epsteins neck suggest it could be a homicide.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12258905.
Who had the most to lose.
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August 15, 2019 5:32pm
- rangitoto
  
  I believe Arkancide is the correct terminology.
  
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  August 15, 2019 6:01pm
- chaos
  
  rumours are Hillary wants to run against trump again, Epstein would destroy that chance. But it doesn’t matter it is all going to come out.
  
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  August 15, 2019 6:13pm
Fletch

The govt have given $16 million toward the funding of electric vehicle usage, including $65,000 to the Interislander ferry to install electric chargers on it’s ferries – chargers powered by (you guessed it) diesel engines….

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/government-private-sector-invests-16-5-million-boost-electric-vehicle-usage
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August 15, 2019 6:09pm
- chaos
  
  No they have given $4.5 million in this, 12 million from the private sector
  
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  August 15, 2019 6:36pm
- Tall Man
  
  I went into the engine room years ago and that was a diesel generator running an electric motor way back then.
  
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  August 15, 2019 7:25pm
rightoverlabour

Especially for the Xenophobe Martin Williams.
New Zealand could sort it’s labour issues simply by letting a few of these people in.

https://www.thesouthafrican.com/business-finance/how-many-people-emigration-south-africa-industries?fbclid=IwAR2ks__EncbdM_F7lacR-gM1T97g1eWIe7JVEJAEIkefjXQEItQFPhnDtMA
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August 15, 2019 6:24pm
- Tall Man
  
  Well, that’s a surprise……………
  
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  August 15, 2019 7:28pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Anyone wanting to take bets on when Stuff will close comments on this Article about our PM sticking her nose into Aussie’s business?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/115030133/jacinda-ardern-swept-into-transtasman-climate-spat-but-it-is-mostly-hot-air#comments

(not many comments in favour of JA… even her deputy PM (Hon Winnie says: Ardern and others were pushing a view “that the Australians are somehow acting incorrectly when that is not the proper picture or the real picture at all.”)
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August 15, 2019 7:16pm
- Wired-one
  
  She really is an embarrassment. I cannot believe we are paying this incompetent twat to represent us. Flying all around the world to the latest fashion shoot, whilst preaching about climate change and announcing the latest fad slogan, does my bloody head in. Winston has elected a kiwi Kardashian, whilst this great country turns to shite. Thankfully kiwis are slowly waking up.
  
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  August 15, 2019 8:06pm
Nostradamus

Facebook admits it paid contractors to transcribe private Messenger audio clips

Facebook says it paid contractors to transcribe audio clips from users of its Messenger service, which has raised more privacy concerns for a company that has question marks over its users’ privacy protections.
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Human audio transcription was, until recently, common in the tech industry. Companies say the use of humans helps improve their services, but some users are not typically aware of the extent of the human involvement with users’ private data.
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A report from Vice technology site Motherboard last week said Microsoft also used human transcribers with some Skype conversations and commands spoken to Microsoft’s digital assistant, Cortana. One contractor told the publication that some of the audio detailed “phone sex, full addresses, and searches for online pornography”.

At one level, I can understand what the tech companies are trying to do – use real-life audio to improve voice recognition technology. But, whatever way you cut it, the privacy issues (not to mention breach of consumer trust) seem insurmountable.

Anyway, speaking of jobs where you transcribe audio clips of steamy phone sex chats, where’s Johnboy hanging out these days? 🙂
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August 15, 2019 7:20pm
- nasska
  
  ……”where’s Johnboy hanging out these days”……
  
  In a jacuzzi modelled on a sheep dip, nude under the stars with Flossie, getting pissed on cheap whisky would be my best bet Nostra. 🙂
  
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  August 15, 2019 9:15pm
Tall Man

Oh you are awful……..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUn0n9Yu7Vw
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August 15, 2019 7:26pm
Pheobe

A turkey was chatting with a bull.
“I would love to be able to get to the
top of that tree,” sighed the turkey, ” but
I haven’t got the energy.”

“Well, why don’t you nibble on some of
my droppings ?” Replied the bull.
“They’re packed with nutrients.”
The turkey peaked at a lump of dung,
And found it actually gave him enough
Strength to reach the lowest branch of
the tree.

The next day, after eating some more
dung, he reached the second branch.
Finally on the forth night, the turkey was
proudly perched on the top branch of
the tree.
He was promptly spotted by the farmer
who shot him out of the tree.

Moral of the story:
Bull s**t might get you to the top, but it
won’t keep you there….
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August 15, 2019 7:48pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Gracious,,
Why is RNZ running with this biased account against Peter Ellis tonight?
https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018708898/ellis-case-a-witch-hunt-against-victims-complainant-s-aunt

Is RNZ trying to cover its butt for being a media-influencer in this insanity?
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August 15, 2019 7:56pm
- Tall Man
  
  Because they are sad sick fucks. and need a “sort” out.
  
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  August 15, 2019 8:10pm
- Jack5
  
  Radio NZ is Left wing, and is at the “most woke” pip on the scale of wokeness.
  
  Today it used the adjective “holy” when Ramadan was mentioned (in connection with the trial of Brenton Tarrant). How long ago, if ever, did Red Radio talk of “holy” Easter?
  
  Those who laid complaints against Ellis no longer can justify claims of anonymity. What are they frightened of? The kids have long since matured into adults.
  
  The Ellis prosecution was mass hysteria of a pattern being experienced round the Western world.
  
  Peter Ellis was and is innocent. He deserves official acknowledgement of this before his imminent death.
  
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  August 15, 2019 8:33pm
Fletch

Norway’s first electric plane crashes into lake.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-norway-crash-idUSKCN1V423N
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