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Simon

He surprised the 12-year-old in the hallway, but she said hello to him and turned to try to catch a cat that needed to be put outside.
Borton hit the girl on the back of the head with the mallet and knocked her flying.
She struggled for breath when he put his hands around her throat, nose and mouth.
Borton hit her again with the mallet so hard that her skull fractured and caved in.
The girl’s mother heard the scream and went to her aid.
She was hit repeatedly with the mallet and fell to the floor. Her skull was also fractured and she bled heavily.
An autopsy found she had been hit at least five times on the back of her head and to her face.
Details of the sexual charges involving the girl were suppressed, Justice Simon France said.

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August 13, 2019 8:03am
- hullkiwi
  
  And Little wants to give this scrum the right to vote?
  
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  August 13, 2019 8:18am
  - peterwn
    
    Jacinda has indicated she does not favour giving the vote to those sentenced to more than three years.
    
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    August 13, 2019 8:27am
    - Tall Man
      
      Is that to differentiate between watermelon voters and genuine labour voters…….
      
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      August 13, 2019 8:37am
    - Inandout
      
      Easy, Andrew just needs to bring in a normal 3 years maximum, unless a murder was committed, then 5 years. Just leave them vote less until they get released.
      
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      August 13, 2019 8:39am
    - hullkiwi
      
      …and I don’t rely on Jacinda as the arbiter for what will be passed into law.
      
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      August 13, 2019 8:51am
  - Tall Man
    
    And the reason is………..
    
    Guys like this are deeply disturbed. Now while that’s not an essential characteristic to have to support labour it is definitely needed to vote for the “watermelons” so of course angry andy wants them to vote.
    
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    August 13, 2019 8:31am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Yes, otherwise his democratic rights cannot be upheld according to Golritz the refugee MP and poster girl of Toxic Greens.
    
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    August 13, 2019 8:55am
  - coge
    
    Everyone knows Labour is soft on crime. Including, I suspect, Winston Peters.
    
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    August 13, 2019 10:04am
- kowtow
  
  If ever there was a case for bringing back the death penalty , but then there’s so many of these cases these days .
  
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  August 13, 2019 8:27am
  - NoCash
    
    Or at least chop off his fucking dick.
    
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    August 13, 2019 8:55am
  - greybeard
    
    For the rest of his life in prison he will be waited-upon hand and foot by many hundreds of ordinary people: they will feed him, clothe him, provide medical and dental care, tend to his emotional and spiritual needs, keep him as secure as possible, educate him, and spend much of their lives looking after a piece of shit. There is not only the waste of the actual victims’ lives and wellbeing but that of the subsequently-affected people.
    
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    August 13, 2019 9:58am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    can we just give North Korea $300/year to keep him alive as long as possible? Don’t much care how they do it.
    
    Do the same for all the lifers.
    
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    August 13, 2019 11:32am
- AgainstTheFlow
  
  But he can be rehabilitated!
  And forgiveness!
  
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  August 13, 2019 8:28am
  - kowtow
    
    And vote .
    
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    August 13, 2019 8:33am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Yes, treat him like a citizen.
    
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    August 13, 2019 8:56am
  - JibberJabber
    
    9mm rehabilitation is proven 100% effective and cheap.
    Money saved can go to the well-being of the Victims that the Government and the Judiciary don`t give a shit about.
    Collateral Damage , eh Andy? C#@T!
    
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    August 13, 2019 10:30am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Simon – the details of the sexual assault on the 12yo were suppressed because of her age. Her name is suppressed as well.
  
  I hope Borton spends the rest of his life in prison. When it comes time for sentencing, it will be interesting to hear of his previous convictions, which I suspect will show a steady progression to this disgraceful crime.
  
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  August 13, 2019 8:43am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    1oo hours of community service??
    
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    August 13, 2019 8:56am
  - Gravelroad
    
    And interesting to read his whinging justifications for committing such a crime. No doubt these will include:
    Bad childhood
    Was drunk and/or under the influence of drugs at the time
    The victims asked for it or led him on somehow ( by being provocative, wearing skimpy clothes)
    Many long years playing violent video games
    Addiction to pornography
    The devil made me do it
    I was lonely
    We can be sure that it was not his fault and he will take no personal responsibility.
    
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    August 13, 2019 8:57am
    - rightoverlabour
      
      COLONISATION….
      
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      August 13, 2019 10:00am
      - Straight arrow
        
        Please update your PC dictionary. The new buzzword is “racialisation”. This word is more inclusive, as it applies to not only indigenous peoples, but all non-Europeans.
        
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        August 13, 2019 3:51pm
  - Brian McDonald
    
    I’m interested in any further details of where he lived and the circumstances which may come out at sentencing, the docs say he rented in an affluent suburb.
    
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    August 13, 2019 8:57am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      There was quite a bit more detail in the Dom Post
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/113840096/joseph-william-borton-preyed-on-a-12yearold-girl-and-murdered-her-mother-he-had-stalked-another-girl
      
      He had worked as a photographer and in IT around Wellington for years. He had had contracts in Public Service Depts (Min of Education!)
      He was known as Joe Borton.
      
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      August 13, 2019 9:14am
      - Brian McDonald
        
        Thanks Maggie.
        
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        August 13, 2019 9:21am
      - Batman
        
        Maggie and Brian – if you know Karori (or maybe don’t) there’s a boarding sort of place around the corner from Lemnos Ave. It’s right next to the pub at Marsden Village.
        
        I assume that’s where he was lodging.
        
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        August 13, 2019 12:11pm
- igm
  
  The sooner one of these filthy pervert’s crimes directly impacts on a crim hugger the better for all.
  Like most Kiwis I am sick of reading these disgusting reports.
  
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  August 13, 2019 8:54am
- wreck1080
  
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  Well, most fortunate for you that this crime happened.
  
  Because it has given you the perfect opportunity to criticise labour.
  
  Hope you are enjoying your 27 (and counting) upticks.
  
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  August 13, 2019 9:12am
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    Horrible crimes happen all the time. This is just the one that happens to be in the news at the time Little wants to let these sickos vote.
    
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    August 13, 2019 9:47am
    - wreck1080
      
      So, dancing on the graves of crime victims is OK?
      
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      August 13, 2019 9:50am
      - JibberJabber
        
        Andrew Little is the Minister of Justice in this country and he believes that victims of crime are “collateral damage” (his words) is that ok with you?
        A clear indication of how fucked the system is.
        
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        August 13, 2019 11:31am
- Simon Gotlieb
  
  What kind of sick person tries to associate this kind of horrible crime with any political party? You really are quite vile. There is no association whatsoever with a suggested policy to return the law to where it was (for many electoral cycles, including National-led ones) prior to 2010, and the actions of this oxygen thief. Please try to show some sanity on this – your partisanship is rotting your brain.
  
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  August 13, 2019 10:08am
Maggie Pie

Morning Campers! 🙂

POLITICAL CAPTION COMPETITION

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBgRbypUwAE2JRh?format=jpg&name=900×900
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August 13, 2019 8:04am
- Tall Man
  
  “Aren’t we smarmy…
  
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  August 13, 2019 8:17am
  - geoff3012
    
    Go on….give us a kiss
    
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    August 13, 2019 8:29am
    - tf78
      
      I luff you Trev!
      
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      August 13, 2019 11:42am
- Lizziep
  
  Now I have just been a little bit sick in my mouth. That is total vomit material. Hope its not the start of a vomity day. Don’t you just wish your minds eye could be blind over some things?
  
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  August 13, 2019 8:40am
- Tony Stuart
  
  “Oh Trevor; you’re my heeeeeerrrrooooo!”
  
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  August 13, 2019 8:44am
- BassilFawlty
  
  You magnificent beast.
  
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  August 13, 2019 8:46am
- igm
  
  Needs a nose-band bridle and snaffle bit.
  
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  August 13, 2019 8:58am
- NoCash
  
  Thank you for your continued protection.
  
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  August 13, 2019 8:58am
- secondcumming
  
  “Does that look better Trev? It was just a piece of spinach”
  
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  August 13, 2019 9:01am
- Gravelroad
  
  “You’re so vain, you probably think this song is about you……”
  
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  August 13, 2019 9:18am
- Bell-47
  
  I love you daddy..
  
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  August 13, 2019 10:45am
- greybeard
  
  “As their eyes met across the crowded conference room floor it was at that moment that Trevor remembered that he had forgotten to take the frozen snapper out of the freezer for that night’s dinner”.
  
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  August 13, 2019 4:07pm
Hugh Pavletich

[Mod – deleted. The same post was also posted on the GD for 12 August, an hour or so previously. Hugh, you just have to be patient and wait until 8am, but duplicate posts are unnecessary]
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August 13, 2019 8:05am
- Tall Man
  
  The vast majority of hugh’s posts are unnecessary!
  
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  August 13, 2019 8:18am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Hugh is unnecessary.
    
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    August 13, 2019 8:22am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Hands up those folks who read Hugh’s posts.
    
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    August 13, 2019 9:16am
    - Nigel Kearney
      
      If I only read them very rarely can I just put up one finger?
      
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      August 13, 2019 9:49am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Oh no, that’s a full hands-up.
        
        I think Hugh is employing the scattergun approach to “effective” communication.
        
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        August 13, 2019 10:11am
- Swifty
  
  He won’t change – he’s pathological in his determination to drive traffic to his own site.
  
  He doesn’t give a shit what anyone else thinks.
  
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  August 13, 2019 8:20am
  - Biscuit
    
    Hugh has his own site?
    
    I dunno, there are certain posters in here who (if they linked to their own sites) I might go have a look-see.
    
    But Hugh, sorry, you come across as a fixated-on-one-topic individual … with the one-topic in question being of no interest to me.
    
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    August 13, 2019 8:38am
  - JibberJabber
    
    He link whores here cos` no one visits his own.
    
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    August 13, 2019 10:31am
    - sooty
      
      He’s just a bitch!
      
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      August 13, 2019 11:23am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
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  … CHINA …
  
  Mod … Many thanks for your advice.
  
  Link to previous post …
  
  [Mod – unnecessary Hugh. If anyone wants to read your post, they will find it. Kiwibloggers aren’t stupid!]
  
  … with a couple of updates …
  
  Hong Kong grounds all flights as protest paralyzes airport … CNN
  
  https://edition.cnn.com/asia/live-news/hong-kong-protests-airport-intl-hnk/index.html
  
  US stocks fall as Hong Kong protests heat up … Yahoo Finance
  
  https://finance.yahoo.com/news/stock-market-news-august-12-2019-120554537.html
  
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  August 13, 2019 8:32am
- NoCash
  
  Mod for the win.
  
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  August 13, 2019 9:03am
  - sooty
    
    Ban the bastard!
    
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    August 13, 2019 11:24am
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      HONG KONG – CHINA …
      
      China masses troops as Hong Kong shuts airport – MacroBusiness
      
      https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/08/china-masses-troops-hong-kong-shuts-airport/
      
      U.S. Senate leader: Any violent crackdown in Hong Kong would be ‘completely unacceptable’ … Reuters
      
      https://www.reuters.com/article/us-hongkong-protests-usa-mcconnell/mcconnell-any-violent-crackdown-in-hong-kong-would-be-completely-unacceptable-idUSKCN1V21ES?il=0
      
      Chinese credit sends out a major warning – MacroBusiness
      
      https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/08/chinese-credit-sends-major-warning/
      
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      August 13, 2019 1:20pm
    - Liberty
      
      Banning Hugh that would be totally wrong.
      The strength of kiwiblog is different opinions.
      If you ban Hugh. who is next?
      Banning Pinkos, weidos is the slippery
      Slope to whaleoil/Standard level.
      PS
      Hugh it would be helpful for all concerned
      Just abridge the size of your posts.
      
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      August 14, 2019 10:34am
Happychappy

Barry Soper has it right,”Process underway” a convenient shield for Labour to hide behind.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12257949
How can a Labour President hide behind statements he made last week when throwing his support behind the perpetrator and sort of saying it’s all cut and dried nothing substantial was found to substantiate any wrong doing.
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August 13, 2019 8:08am
- Tall Man
  
  Sorry mods but ardern really is a bullying liar here and for her to claim “transparency” and not have all the media constantly doping something about this is disgusting.
  
  To hide behind “process” is cowardly and duplicitous.
  
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  August 13, 2019 8:25am
  - Inandout
    
    Notice how the deaf language person is upfront so Jacinda’s spouting is diverted? Most world leaders have the interpreters in the background for this reason. Cunning is as cunnings be.
    
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    August 13, 2019 8:48am
    - sooty
      
      The reason Cindys is up front is because she has something more interesting to say!
      
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      August 13, 2019 9:11am
- hullkiwi
  
  From what I’ve read on the RNZ website there are seven complainants. Reading Soper’s piece it reads that Liebore is nothing but a bunch of bullies. Where is the well being there?
  
  If what Soper writes is true, and what PB said last week is true, this appeals process is nothing more than further cynical bullying of the women concerned. Caring party, yeah right…..
  
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  August 13, 2019 8:26am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Seven complainants?
    Wow. That’s serious.
    Has the person who is accused been stood down?
    
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    August 13, 2019 8:46am
    - Tall Man
      
      No!
      
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      August 13, 2019 8:48am
      - sooty
        
        Of corse not!
        This is the Labour party we are talking about!
        
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        August 13, 2019 9:12am
      - Happychappy
        
        There was four in the Labour Summer Camp case and it appears that they have been bought off by the time it was first reported going to court.
        
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        August 13, 2019 9:27am
    - hullkiwi
      
      All_on_red, yes it is 7. The article is still on the RNZ news site under politics. It reads:
      “RNZ understands seven people have laid formal complaints with Labour about inappropriate behaviour by a Labour staffer who works at Parliament.”
      
      You need to read the link. Liebore know they are in the proverbial, but they are doing their utmost to keep it in house, but it reads like it is:
      1. A parliamentary matter;
      2. An employment matter; or
      3. If, other statements are correct an attempt to stop criminal investigations.
      
      But if the past is anything to go by, Bush will bury matters….
      
      The link
      
      https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/396521/labour-party-members-allowed-right-to-appeal-investigation
      
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      August 13, 2019 9:08am
  - Gravelroad
    
    Am still waiting to hear some reaction from the #metoo people and the marchers who went to complain at the lawyers office.
    I must have missed it………
    
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    August 13, 2019 9:20am
kowtow

You could be forgiven if you thought it was 1 April, but it’s not and these Loons are out to destroy our western culture.

‘The beef ban is the first announcement she has made since taking over as the head of the university earlier this month.’

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/08/12/beef-banned-university-bid-fight-climate-change/
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August 13, 2019 8:08am
- Tall Man
  
  Fair enough, now how do we get someone to ban idiots like psycho and the rest of the watermelons having any impact on our lives….
  
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  August 13, 2019 8:28am
- srylands
  
  It will happen here.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/114604444/highemitting-nz-health-sector-urged-to-cut-back-on-carbon
  
  What odds would you give on New Zealand hospitals being directed to stop serving meat and dairy within 5 years?
  
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  August 13, 2019 8:30am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    The Hospital dieticians have taken a stand against the recent call by Julie-Anne Genter to cut down on serving meat and dairy foods in hospitals.
    
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018707396/meat-dairy-in-hospital-food-needed-for-energy-protein-dieticians
    
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    August 13, 2019 9:22am
    - hullkiwi
      
      Maggy, thankfully they did. As I keep writing, she is purely ideological in what she does, she is dangerous and should be nowhere near government or the levers of power.
      
      But this is the modern world, in which “feelz” in policy implementation is more important than being evidence based.
      
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      August 13, 2019 9:31am
      - srylands
        
        If we stop hospital patients from eating meat, the international community will praise New Zealand for ‘doing our fair share’ to tackle climate change. As a result India will convert its 140 coal fired power stations to natural gas which it will need to import.
        
        You guys are missing the bigger picture. ?
        
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        August 13, 2019 9:54am
      - hullkiwi
        
        Srylands, you mean NZ committing Hari Kari on the alter of Climate Change Virtue Signals!
        
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        August 13, 2019 11:21am
      - sooty
        
        Maybe there could be a new business in there,
        Delivering meals to patients!
        
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        August 13, 2019 11:28am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Good to see Genter being called out on her Science Denying.
      
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      August 13, 2019 9:34am
    - Ruahine
      
      It will not be the end of it though. These science deniers are like rust.
      
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      August 13, 2019 1:05pm
- Rich Prick
  
  The left are quite deranged when it comes to climate change. If they were truely worried about methane, they’d be calling for a cull of all elephants, hippos, zebra and buffalo. I imagine whales are even worse. But no, it’s only the economically useful they want to wipe out. Have you seen the size of an elephant turd? When one hits a clean water way … instant mud.
  
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  August 13, 2019 10:04am
  - Simon Gotlieb
    
    700,000 African elephants left. 40,000 Asian elephants.
    
    998 million cows.
    
    Your straw man is on fire.
    
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    August 13, 2019 10:15am
    - Bell-47
      
      800,000 Zebra, 1.5M Wilderbeest, don’t make me look up the numbers on all the other wild animals there and that is just Africa. RP’s comparison was perfectly legitimate, yeah, that smell of burning is your pants on fire nothing to do with any straw.
      
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      August 13, 2019 10:54am
    - kowtow
      
      How many ‘uman beings. It’s not straw men that’s the problem .
      
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      August 13, 2019 1:21pm
  - DigNap15
    
    Have you seen the stuff that comes out of the Labour Pardy?
    And the Green pardy?
    
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    August 13, 2019 1:40pm
John Warren

Is there anybody else here finding Arthur Taylor’s logic concerning prisoner voting rights rather difficult to decode?
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August 13, 2019 8:11am
- BassilFawlty
  
  Love’s the adoring media, silly old crook.
  
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  August 13, 2019 8:58am
- hullkiwi
  
  I loved the news story last night. It included Taylor saying he wants a meeting with Wynston First and put the evidence in front of him….to prove this is the right thing to do…..
  
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  August 13, 2019 9:23am
- Straight arrow
  
  Essentially, the High Court made a declaration that the banning law is inconsistent with the Bill of Rights because Parliament did not attempt to justify why the banning law was passed. The banning law itself was legal.
  
  The Supreme Court was appealed to (by Attorney-General) on the basis that the High Court was not entitled to make a declaration at all (as opposed to the contents of the declaration). The Supreme Court ruled that they could not see any reason why the High Court was not entitled to make a declaration.
  
  The Supreme Court case was about jurisdiction, not about the contents of the High Courts declaration, technically. So when people say that the Supreme Court “ruled” that prisoner rights were infringed, that is not correct.
  
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  August 13, 2019 10:35am
Than

Jacinda Ardern says “Solution [to the Ihumātao protest] not as straightforward as Simon Bridges thinks”.

No, sorry, it really is. The protesters have to be told to shove off. End of story. To do anything else would completely derail the whole Treaty settlement process.

The only complexity here is how to move the protesters on. If it can be done peacefully through negotiation or warnings, great. But if the police have to crack heads, so be it. Giving in to any of the protesters demands should be considered utterly unacceptable. It would effectively invalidate all current settlements, and make future protests a virtual certainty.
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August 13, 2019 8:13am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Spot on Than. Sadly, by giving them expectations of a settlement brokered by Government Ministers, Jacinda Ardern has made it far tougher for the Police to enforce the Trespass Notice served on protesters before they called for reinforcements.
  
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  August 13, 2019 8:19am
  - Happychappy
    
    Tony is there anyway we can find out the figure that has been borrowed by Housing NZ to build state houses especially with the state housing beginning in the Lower Hutt very soon.
    https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/114927838/housing-new-zealand-is-finally-building-on-vacant-land-in-lower-hutt
    This is separate borrowing and not part of Kiwibuild that can’t be identified in Government expenditures.
    
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    August 13, 2019 8:28am
    - sooty
      
      If they do anything other than tell to shove off it’s going to cost them a shit load of dough!
      
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      August 13, 2019 8:37am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      You could try making an Official Information Act request Happychappy – check this site out – https://fyi.org.nz/
      
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      August 13, 2019 8:53am
      - Happychappy
        
        Thanks I might have a look at that.
        
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        August 13, 2019 9:58am
    - RightNow
      
      Last year HNZ borrowed 2.9 billion through “independent ” channels so it didn’t count as government borrowing…
      
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      August 13, 2019 1:18pm
- kowtow
  
  “Solution [to the Ihumātao protest] not as straightforward as Simon Bridges thinks”.
  
  Put another way the socialist is saying ” New Zealand private property rights are up for negotiation”
  
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  August 13, 2019 8:30am
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    kowtow, man the barricades 1917 is our year!
    
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    August 13, 2019 8:44am
  - Rich Prick
    
    If Cindy keeps butting into this, then just about anyone can expect an angry mob to turn up demanding all manner of things. The Police need to do the job we pay them for and Cindy & Co need to but out. But again, I could develop a mythical connection to the PM’s property …
    
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    August 13, 2019 8:55am
    - Scooter
      
      Everyone knows JA is a pushover, she has no backbone and wants to be defined as being nice. It might work in kindergartens but not so much running a country.
      
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      August 13, 2019 10:44pm
- srylands
  
  There does not need to be “cracking heads”. There is no place for that kind of violence against unarmed people.
  
  They can be removed with minimal force. Then the place can be fenced off and guarded and the building can get underway.
  
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  August 13, 2019 8:34am
  - Than
    
    It’s an expression, I wasn’t advocating literally hitting people on the head.
    
    But if the police have to use force (yes, of course minimal force, but still force) to evict the protesters then that has to happen. If the protesters get their way or even significant concessions then this form of protest will become a standard tactic. That is simply unacceptable.
    
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    August 13, 2019 8:52am
    - srylands
      
      IIRC the minimal force technique involves simply carrying them out using four officers one at a time and protecting the walk out route with rows of police with riot shields. Although I suspect that leaves lots of room for things to go not as planned. I don’t ever recall tear gas being used in New Zealand. I don’t even know whether it is stock piled.
      
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      August 13, 2019 9:20am
      - Tall Man
        
        Tear gas is used by NZ police.
        
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/111685741/armed-offenders-squad-responding-to-firearms-incident-in-palmerston-north
        
        https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/man-wanted-after-guns-found-christchurch-home-dies-during-standoff-police
        
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        August 13, 2019 9:55am
      - Than
        
        srylands, that method is fine for an individual or small groups. I’m not sure it would scale up far enough to work here.
        
        Say the police have multiple teams evicting half a dozen or a dozen people at a time – how are the rest of the protesters going to react while that’s going on? You only need one or two hotheads to throw punches or otherwise try to prevent police removing somebody and it could very quickly turn into a brawl.
        
        Unfortunately it’s very difficult to imagine ways this situation ends well. But the only thing I know for sure is that the protesters cannot be allowed come out of this considering it a victory – that would only guarantee a repeat.
        
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        August 13, 2019 10:58am
      - toby1845
        
        Police and NZDF both have stockpiles of CS gas.
        
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        August 13, 2019 11:02am
- Rich Prick
  
  Cindy, there is nothing complicated about private property rights. Well, not for us non-commies.
  
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  August 13, 2019 8:47am
- Yvette
  
  1 – Desperately fighting to save land at Ihumātao from development, Pania Newton leads a determined collective of protectors in the fight to save the site considered sacred.
  
  But is it sacred? – it has been farmed for about 150 years [must be nearing “customary use”], it is planned now as a 480-house subdivision with iwi-elder approval, and is currently camped on by hundreds of people.
  
  2 – Māori king invites Ihumātao mana whenua to meeting, won’t include Government
  So can one assume they do not believe a solution involves the Government?
  
  3 – Speaking to Morning Report today, Pania Newton said discussions were progressing but the land was significant to New Zealand’s history and there was only one message: return it.
  “For us this isn’t a Treaty issue, this is a cultural heritage landscape issue in that this is the last remaining piece for mana whenua … within the context of all the land that was confiscated and all the injustices our whānau and our marae have endured for many, many years at the hands of the Crown.
  
  4 – Fletchers reputedly paid $19m for the land. Auckland Council have valued it at $36 million.
  Currently Fletchers offer 25% of it back – perhaps $4.75 million to $9 million – to the iwi [as “a cultural heritage landscape”] plus options to iwi of 40 houses.
  Local iwi Te Kawerau A Maki Waitangi Settlement was $6.8 million
  So what are the options to iwi of 40 houses worth and how far off the iwi’s Waitangi Settlement is what Fletchers currently offer them?
  
  But $4.75 million to $9 million would not be realised unless the iwi sold it.
  Well they would have to talk to Pania Newton about that – Jacinda says a solution is not as straightforward as Simon thinks …
  
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  August 13, 2019 9:13am
  - Bell-47
    
    Having Harawera in your name automatically grants you entitlement syndrome, racism toward anyone other than Maori and a penchant for protesting about the past. Pania is everything that is wrong with Maori and so long as elements like her are allowed to exist, separatism will be allowed to continue. I note, the scribble faced dwarf was also allowed a podium for his racist diatribe, says it all really.
    
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    August 13, 2019 11:06am
Maggy Wassilieff

Too Little, Too Late
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/08/appeal-process-for-alleged-labour-party-staffer-victims-may-be-too-little-too-late-victims-advocate.html
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August 13, 2019 8:25am
- Wangas Feral
  
  Is the NZ Labour Party now the Police? These are criminal allegations that need to be investigated by the cops, not the Labour Party.
  
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  August 13, 2019 8:53am
- RightNow
  
  Now that it’s under appeal, the Labour party can’t comment.
  Sounds like an elaborate smokescreen to.me.
  
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  August 13, 2019 1:20pm
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https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/08/which-religious-groups-do-kiwis-trust-the-most-and-least.html

“In a survey of 1000 New Zealanders, taken a month after the Christchurch mosque shootings of 15 March 2019, we asked respondents how much they trusted people from different religious groups living in New Zealand.”

Why? What possible reason could Newshub have for doing this? Wee bit divisive isn’t it?

“We emphasised “living in New Zealand” as we were not interested in identifying New Zealanders’ trust in, for example, worldwide Catholicism or Islam.”

Oh, I bet you’re not!

Anyway, much to their disgust I’m sure, it turns out we aren’t all the Islamophobic, white supremacist boogie men they like to think we are.

We don’t trust those evangelicals though! Which is somehow fine I guess.

I can’t wait for part two when they do a survey one which ethnicity we trust the least!
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August 13, 2019 8:28am
- Tall Man
  
  I call “bullshit”.
  
  There is a big difference between “sympathy” and trust.
  
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  August 13, 2019 8:35am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Tall Man, you don’t understand either! Islamaphobia ( Muslim Bashing and hating ) ) is alive and well on KB !
    
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    August 13, 2019 8:47am
    - Swifty
      
      There is a lot about Islam that should be hated and bashed – and mocked and ridiculed and lampooned.
      
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      August 13, 2019 9:09am
      - stephieboy
        
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        Swifty, much like you!
        
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        August 13, 2019 9:51am
      - Swifty
        
        Heh. Give it your best shot Stiffy!
        
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        August 13, 2019 10:10am
    - The King
      
      Aww poor stephie show us on the doll where Mohammad touched you..after touching his 6 year old wife.
      
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      August 13, 2019 9:12am
      - Tall Man
        
        9 year old please, he was a paedophile, not a sick bastard.
        
        “and his marriage to Aisha when she was six years old,[19] which according to most estimates was consummated when she was nine.”
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Muhammad
        
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        August 13, 2019 9:52am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Such surveys are useless. People will give the survey the answer that they think the survey wants.
  
  It’s human nature to do so, especially in an age where you can lose your job for wrongthink or wrongspeak.
  
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  August 13, 2019 8:38am
- kowtow
  
  ‘Why? What possible reason could Newshub have for doing this? Wee bit divisive isn’t it?’
  
  The legacy lame stream media are actors , activists in the culture wars , that’s why.
  
  A perfect example is their attacks on the Crusader name/image almost in the immediate aftermath.
  
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  August 13, 2019 8:38am
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    kowtow, in the immediate aftermath feelings ran hot. The name conjured up the old historical bloody legacy and carnage the Crusaders in the Middle East!
    
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    August 13, 2019 8:52am
    - hookerphil
      
      The Crusaders back then lost more times than the current ones do.
      
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      August 13, 2019 9:19am
- Billy Collins
  
  Besides the evangelicals, there isn’t much in it really.
  
  Interestingly, theres a link to a related article saying “Persecution of Christians reaches genocide levels”.
  
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  August 13, 2019 8:42am
- G152
  
  Its just fake news trying to be relevant …
  The results to their ‘survey’ was invented by the reporter who invented the survey.
  All in house
  
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  August 13, 2019 9:28am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  Buddhists have a better public image. When people hear ‘buddhist’ they think of the Dalai Lama not the lady who runs the fish and chip shop, and certainly not the people in charge in Myanmar. But when they hear ‘hindu’ they don’t think of Gandhi. Instead they think of a dairy owner or Chorus contractor.
  
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  August 13, 2019 9:57am
  - Straight arrow
    
    Similarly with, say Catholics. Did people distinguish between ordinary Catholics or the institution (with all that entails). With atheists, it is solely about individuals, as there is no institution. The question “How much trust do you have in the following people, or groups of people living in New Zealand?” is ambiguous.
    
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    August 13, 2019 12:31pm
  - DigNap15
    
    or a ministry of transport drivers license giver.
    
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    August 13, 2019 1:43pm
- Straight arrow
  
  Newshub did not commission survey (Victoria University’s Institute for Governance and Policy Studies did) and Simon Chapple is director of institute, so writing a guest column (he is not a journalist as such).
  
  There are so many problems with the construction of the particular question in the survey that it is hard to draw any conclusions. Obviously there is social desirability bias.
  
  The comment that “there is no evidence in the trust data of local anti-Semitism or Islamophobia in the form of a trust deficit displayed towards Jews or Muslims compared to mainstream Christian denominations” is meaningless as the survey construction did not allow for that to be determined. The conclusion would also have to ignore that there is any anti-Christian (and other religious) bias by non-Christians, for a start.
  
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  August 13, 2019 12:22pm
KevO'Brien

The Police may just have to quietly assemble a much larger team using their existing authority and turn up say at 4.30am to take occupation themselves. If army staff can be sworn to assist without political intervention use them too. A show of force is what protesters understand.
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August 13, 2019 8:33am
- stephieboy
  
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  Gestapo like show of force too?
  
  http://holocaustonline.org/gestapo/
  
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  August 13, 2019 8:55am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    You’re so predictable stephie. Kev makes a factual statement of opinion, and you have to bring the Gestapo into it.
    
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    August 13, 2019 10:00am
    - stephieboy
      
      “A show of force is what protesters understand.” !!
      
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      August 13, 2019 4:43pm
      - Swifty
        
        Any show of force means Gestapo according to Stephiestani logic.
        
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        August 13, 2019 5:52pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Oh do tell us more, stephieboy.
        
        Are you telling us that NZ has a bunch of secret police officers beyond Judicial and Legal oversight, just like the German gestapo.
        
        Is that why you have been so keen to “denounce” folk like me on this blog.
        
        For information about what was happening in German society, the Gestapo continued to be mostly dependent upon denunciations. 80% of all Gestapo investigations were started in response to information provided by denunciations by ordinary Germans;
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gestapo
        
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        August 13, 2019 6:51pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Protesters use force–it’s in their DNA.
        The Police are lawfully empowered to prevent people who are disturbing the peace. The alternative is anarchy.
        
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        August 13, 2019 7:18pm
      - Swifty
        
        A very good point Maggy.
        
        We have been infiltrated by the Gestephpo.
        
        What a nasty fellow.
        
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        August 13, 2019 7:24pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @swifty
        
        I recognise the techniques..
        My in-laws lived with this shit for decades.
        
        Anonymous accusations, unfounded allegations, persecution and harassment of people because they hold particular views or look different, or have foreign names.
        
        So sad to see anonymous abusers using identical tactics here in NZ.
        
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        August 13, 2019 7:57pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Maggy Wassilieff, I think it is time to begin and get over yourself!
        
        You in fact know very little about what it is to be abused going by the past standards of KB posters.
        
        Has anyone called you a pervert, Steffy, stiffy etc, etc?
        
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        August 13, 2019 8:24pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        You deserve everything you get Ralph
        Awful little troll that you are.
        Oh, and the constant stalking is very creepy.
        
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        August 13, 2019 9:12pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @stephieboy,
        
        You have on more than one occasion labelled me as an adherent of the alt-right on this blog.
        
        You must realise that this has political and legal ramifications now.
        
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        August 13, 2019 9:22pm
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Red, the constant stalking? Like posting notices on Church doors?
        
        Doxing and the such like etc !
        
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        August 13, 2019 9:43pm
- kowtow
  
  At the moment the lame stream legacy media are well behind these squatters. Any move like that would be a PR disaster. And using the army would require a political decision anyway.
  
  Is there a civil remedy ?
  Could the land owner not sue for lost earnings / revenue / costs ? Then bill the buggers .
  
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  August 13, 2019 9:00am
- mark15
  
  Get the army to do what?
  
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  August 13, 2019 9:28am
  - Tall Man
    
    Seal the road in or out, remove media as an “obstruction” and let the protesters wallow in their own filth.
    
    Why are the numerous children at the site not in school? I suppose they need to grow up as dumb as their parents so they perpetuate the labour party and watermelon idiots.
    
    As psycho clearly displays, you certainly can’t be intelligent and vote for the watermelons.
    
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    August 13, 2019 9:48am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Deputy Police Constables.
    
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    August 13, 2019 7:19pm
herb1

listened to Ardern on Hosking. Her go to word seems to be “process”
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August 13, 2019 8:38am
- White Anglo Saxon Protestant
  
  Garner was woeful this morning.
  
  Well, the bit I heard on the radio was. I had to check the dictionary definitions of ‘complicit’ and ‘gullible’ to see if Garners face was there…
  
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  August 13, 2019 8:52am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Perfect word for her to hide behind…
  
  She can’t reveal details because a process is in place…when things turn to custard, She can have a review of the process; When that fails to change things, she can call for an independent review of the 1st review.
  
  Then it will be time for another flyaway…
  
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  August 13, 2019 9:00am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    I thought her go word was ‘um’, and the other one was ‘aah’.
    I didn’t hear many other words.
    
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    August 13, 2019 9:08am
KevO'Brien

Lowering interest rates–who gains?
https://www.odt.co.nz/opinion/failing-system-becoming-more-bizzare

John Highton is an emeritus professor with the University of Otago’s Dunedin School of Medicine.
I agree with him. The word seems upside down.
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August 13, 2019 8:40am
- Ross12
  
  Kev
  Totally agree it seems upside down.
  
  You may have missed my reply to you last night on this issue so I’ll repeat it here.
  
  ” Well for Denmark, the future is now, because three years later and with over $15 trillion in negative-yielding debt around the world, Denmark’s third largest bank is now offering borrowers mortgages at a negative interest rate, effectively paying its customers to borrow money for a house purchase.
  
  Jyske Bank said this week that customers would now be able to take out a 10-year fixed-rate mortgage with an interest rate of -0.5%, meaning customers will pay back less than the amount they borrowed, or precisely what we said would happen in our 2016 preview of the dystopian future. “
  
  So the way I see it , if this development becomes wide spread, the banks will in effect reverse where they make their margin/profits. They will make it from depositors not the borrowers as they do now.
  It is the only way to make sense of it —they give the depositor a negative interest rate (ie. charge you to to put money in their bank) and then lend out to borrowers at a negative interest rate that is slightly less.
  
  If Adrian Orr and Robertson think going down to negative interest rates will in some way persuade people to stop investing in property and therefore stop the increase in property values they have rocks in their head.
  
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  August 13, 2019 10:34am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    @Ross12
    I don’t see how it can continue many more years. I have unpublished wok on valuation of investment grade quoted securities. It plainly shows that valuation is rational collectively and that price is driven by liquidity.
    
    This is manipulation we are going through. It is similar to drug dealers giving out samples but the unstated rule is that payment is expected on the givers terms or your kneecaps. The banks will expect likewise to be rewarded: their money with vigourish or your assets. The Swedish Banks are yet to stage events to establish repayment terms.
    
    At present the markets could still go anywhere as the prices are liquidity controlled. Banks effect that with money creation.
    
    My only advice. Keep your money close and stand by. These are hazardous times to invest including buying a home. The Barons are partying looking to see how much more they can acquire before interruption.
    
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    August 13, 2019 1:13pm
JibberJabber

It`s about time there is a serious inquiry into why NZ Judges are so lenient on Killers, Sexual offenders and Pedophiles.
Why alleged athletic “talent” or an ability to make people “laugh” is a free pass for rapists, perverts and domestic abusers to avoid the consequences of these crimes that any other citizen would do time for.
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August 13, 2019 8:53am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Because, so often, the victims of these predators are poor and vulnerable.
  
  Not the types of people Judges associate with.
  
  The goals and dreams of a talented youth are so much more important than the goals and dreams of small, vulnerable girls.
  
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  August 13, 2019 9:06am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Agree, the judges spend far more time in the company of the evil recidivists within the very calm and controlled court environment than they ever do with any of the only fleetingly glimpsed victims. So they tend to develop more sympathy for the bad bastards than those they are hurting.
    
    Their attitudes would undergo massive revision if they or their friends and families were forced to live in the same neighbourhoods as the crims they are releasing.
    
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    August 13, 2019 9:59am
- Prince
  
  Fact is the prisons are full. No room.
  
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  August 13, 2019 10:28am
  - rangitoto
    
    I’m sure we could do a deal with Kim Jong Un for him to house the worst ones. His anti-aircraft gunners would appreciate the extra practice.
    
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    August 13, 2019 12:03pm
Maggie Pie

Mt Roskill residents look forward to the holy festival of ‘Eid al-Adha’, as Muslims from all around the world celebrate the occasion by sacrificing goats, sheep and cows in the street …

https://twitter.com/MailOnline/status/1160937513646809088
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August 13, 2019 8:55am
- Swifty
  
  I can absolutely assure you that there is plenty going on in backyards and garages in and around Mt Roskill – most usually goats but also sheep.
  
  I have personally witnessed it.
  
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  August 13, 2019 9:48am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    What did the police and SPCA do when you reported it?
    
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    August 13, 2019 12:18pm
    - Swifty
      
      Doing do would be racist Albert, not to mention culturally insensitive and a failure to embrace diversity.
      
      Heh.
      
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      August 13, 2019 12:45pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Why would you report it? Homekilling a farmyard animal is harmless no matter how dumb the motivation is.
      
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      August 13, 2019 12:57pm
Happychappy

Does all other Countries adhere to what the UN says, I very much doubt it so why is this part of the Government’s plan at Ihumatoa. The country is getting sick of the Prime Minister’s excuse and lies to cover up her shocking ability to solve problems without blaming others for her inept intelligence.
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August 13, 2019 8:57am
Sir Cullen's Sidekick

“I just actually think sometimes things aren’t as straightforward as you’d like them to be from opposition” – Jacinda aunty in response to Simon Bridges about the land protest in Auckland.

Well, well, well.
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August 13, 2019 8:58am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Hence Ardern & Co’s 200-plus working groups and reviews…
  
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  August 13, 2019 10:01am
- alloytoo
  
  The irony is no doubt lost on her.
  
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  August 13, 2019 12:29pm
Kabull

Anyone genuinely interested in the origin and development of the climate warming/cooling/emergency debate should read this. It gives a very succinct summary of how we have got to the present situation and who the main influencers are.
https://stovouno.org/2019/02/23/globalism-of-climate-how-faux-environmental-concern-hides-desire-to-rule-the-world/
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August 13, 2019 9:07am
- stephieboy
  
  Kabull, in the grand tradition of of the John Birch Society ( The UN and other similar and I would add IPCC etc) a giant Communist conspiracy!
  
  Not one shred of actual evidence in support from your link. Instead a string of vague sweeping assertions and generalisations.
  
  In the same vein as Clinton Body Count , Holocaust denial, fake moon landings etc, etc
  
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  August 13, 2019 7:48pm
Brian McDonald

The following article is very interesting. Somewhat a pity that it discloses 2 cases for comparison which sensationalises the process somewhat.

But it does raise interesting questions on computer technology to predict risk. With one instance (in the States) showing that when the programmes are private and therefore covered by licence they cannot be looked at under the ‘bonnet.’

I know Judges are fair game on KB even when their reasoning is set out in full but it might be time to wonder if ‘artificial intelligence’, built by humans can be infallible. The immediate answer seems to be no. From the NZ perspective (NZ Law Foundation) the argument is for transparency, recognizing potential mistakes, and a watchdog.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/114692088/why-a-pastor-who-abused-children-served-half-as-much-prison-time-as-a-lowlevel-cannabis-dealer?cid=facebook.post&fbclid=IwAR1WMnaJYPaijDiHwHJWD0xfuSx0prmyYl8Q-BTjKLnmTygvf6niRrCacUc
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August 13, 2019 9:15am
- hookerphil
  
  I notice that, at this stage, political views do not form part of the matrix, unlike, seemingly, applying for a gun licence.
  
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  August 13, 2019 9:33am
  - Brian McDonald
    
    Nor should they ever I think hookerphil. As it continues to evolve there well could be tests on the fairness and validity of what forms the detail of the matrix – the reason ethnicity was removed in NZ, might even be attempts to bring it back with a favourable weight.
    
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    August 13, 2019 10:07am
    - Straight arrow
      
      The underlying factor may not be ethnicity as such, but the economic and personal circumstances of those put through the justice system. By this I mean that, while on average Maori are more likely to be in the system and receive longer sentences and less opportunities for parole, is it possible that this is because Maori have less income and capital than average.
      
      Put another way, are rich Maori and rich Pakeha treated the same, and are poor Maori and poor Pakeha treated the same? Not that I agree with that either, just saying ethnicity in itself may not be the root problem, although it probably does play some part. So maybe the factors need to be expanded to include these as well (and such things as family support on outside?) How to address that economic imbalance is another question.
      
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      August 13, 2019 6:52pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Ah ha…
        
        The old class system.
        
        Older middle-class NZers were brought up on the lovely meme that the Class system doesn’t operate in NZ..
        
        So they rationalised inequality of outcomes in terms of race oppression, completely ignoring the fact that we have always had underprivileged pakeha families and areas of NZ where opportunities are much reduced/limited than in the leafy suburbs they inhabit.
        
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        August 13, 2019 7:11pm
      - stephieboy
        
        MW,are you saying that the Khandallhs, Espoms , Otaras , Poriruas etc are illusory?
        
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        August 13, 2019 7:52pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        No stephieboy,
        I am saying that the people who are making the decisions in the article that Brian McDonald references are most unlikely to have grown up in Castlecliff or Kaiti.
        
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        August 13, 2019 9:11pm
JibberJabber

Monty Python, the Nostradamus`/ Nostradami? of our time?
https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=RjfS_1565637787
Never a truer word spoken in jest.
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August 13, 2019 9:15am
Maggie Pie

My partner reckons Theo Spierings should be in jail.
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August 13, 2019 9:26am
- wreck1080
  
  On what basis? Can’t be jailed for incompetence.
  
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  August 13, 2019 9:56am
stoptheboats

umm ahh can Adern gets some umm help with her diction ! ahh its getting embarrassing Mike, obviously as you would know umm , does she do this with umm Vogue and ahh WW interviews ?
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August 13, 2019 9:32am
- Sacha
  
  Is Brian Edwards still with us? Isn’t he the go-to man for media training?
  But maybe the PM doesn’t feel the need – and no umms and ahhhs would mean that she’d have to actually use a full sentence with meaning.
  
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  August 13, 2019 11:27am
Hugh Pavletich

NEW ZEALAND … FONTERRA …

Keith Woodford explains how Fonterra’s capital shortage has now got a great deal worse, with no easy answers … Interest Co NZ

https://www.interest.co.nz/rural-news/101170/keith-woodford-explains-how-fonterra%E2%80%99s-capital-shortage-has-now-got-great-deal

The forthcoming asset write downs of more than $800 million announced on 12 August by Chairman John Monaghan are clearly damaging to Fonterra’s balance sheet. It also means that Fonterra will now make a loss for the year of around $600 million. However, the implications go much further than that.

The losses mean that Fonterra will need to sell more assets to bring its ‘debt to asset ratio’ under control. The losses also ping back to the balance sheets of its farmer members, where the Fonterra shares are assets against which these farmer members have their own debts. Many dairy farmers are already struggling with their balance sheets, with banks now requiring debt repayments on loans that used to be interest-only.

If these write downs are the full story, then Fonterra will survive. The big question is whether these are all of the write downs, both for now and the foreseeable future. … read more via hyperlink above …
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August 13, 2019 9:32am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  … Are we heading for a massive shakeout in the dairy sector ? …
  
  Fonterra loss signals more pain to come for New Zealand dairy farmers – analyst … Newshub
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/rural/2019/08/fonterra-loss-signals-more-pain-to-come-for-new-zealand-dairy-farmers-analyst.html
  
  Fonterra has signalled a huge loss for the year, and an expert says the worst is yet to come for dairy farmers.
  
  The co-operative estimates a loss as high as $675 million thanks to write-downs on its assets, so there will be no dividend payout. It’s Fonterra’s second-ever loss and is forecast to be much bigger than last year’s loss of $196 million.
  
  Agri-business analyst and Fonterra shareholder Jacqueline Rowarth says the dive shares have taken reflects the mood of the shareholders.
  
  “The share value is what’s really worrying them at the moment because it’s crashed. Not only have we not kept up with inflation, we’ve actually lost money. The money Fonterra is saying it’s lost is that which it actually effectively borrowed from the farmers.” … VIEW & READ more via hyperlink above …
  
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  August 13, 2019 10:50am
stoptheboats

Sleepy Joe losing his marbles! but this is helping that witch Warren who is more left than a cycle lane.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/457164-bidens-gaffes-pile-up-worrying-some-supporters
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August 13, 2019 9:37am
- Colville
  
  Not to be a total arse (I don’t need any practice) but wouldn’t a US cycle lane be on the extreme right?
  
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  August 13, 2019 9:51am
JibberJabber

How on earth could anyone take this person seriously?
A Deputy Chief Constable, the UK is stuffed.

https://twitter.com/OrwellNGoode/status/1160896705568657408/photo/1
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August 13, 2019 9:38am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Police are combing the area.
  
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  August 13, 2019 10:06am
- kowtow
  
  The Establsihment in the UK has become so PC it’s just not funny. They’ve wrecked their own country , all in the name of variously “diversity” , “equalty” , can you have both at the same time?
  
  ‘Having wrecked the schools, the police, the courts and the Civil Service, destroyed the married family and debauched the economy, the slow-motion British Revolution now plans to ruin the Armed Forces, the last truly conservative institutions left standing after 60 years of upheaval.’
  
  https://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2019/07/peter-hitchens-were-destroying-the-armed-forces-the-last-great-institution-that-britain-has-left.html
  
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  August 13, 2019 1:19pm
Swifty

I have long been unsure of the reasons why people refer to ‘Anglo-Saxons’ or ‘an Anglo-Saxon country’ when they clearly mean the English or England, or sometimes mean the British or Britain.

Here it is used again recently:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12257992

Is the use here just one of ignorance – or do users think that the Saxons completely bred out the British natives and/or took over all British lands or Saxon culture completely overtook native culture – none of which are remotely considered as likely to have occurred.

Comments welcome.

Thanks.
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August 13, 2019 9:41am
- Jules99
  
  He really wanted to say ‘white’ but knew he couldn’t quite push it that far. Of course plenty of Brits are POCs these days.
  
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  August 13, 2019 10:16am
- Albert_Ross
  
  It’s not at all clear that Lester “clearly means the English or England” in this context. “An Anglo-Saxon country” could equally mean Canada, the US, any part of the UK or Ireland, possibly even Australia.
  
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  August 13, 2019 10:36am
  - Swifty
    
    I guess it could, but have you ever heard those countries (except the UK) being referred to in that way? I don’t believe I have.
    
    Anyway, any thoughts on why the phrase is used?
    
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    August 13, 2019 11:18am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Yep,
      Countries settled by folks from the UK and English-dominant speaking (Anglophone) are often described as Anglo-Saxon.
      https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/what-is-an-anglo-saxon-economy.html
      
      Describing me as an Anglo-Saxon is as nutty as calling me Caucasian or European.
      
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      August 13, 2019 1:53pm
      - stephieboy
        
        MW, would East European suffice?
        
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        August 13, 2019 8:05pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I’m not East European.
        
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        August 13, 2019 9:07pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Whatever!
        
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        August 13, 2019 9:49pm
  - kowtow
    
    Even the north east corner of Ireland is not Anglo Saxon. Mostly Scots.
    
    Anglo Saxon in language , laws , and broad culture but not strictly by ethnicity. Just sayin.
    
    But to answer swifty’s question I would interpret the term “Anglo Saxon world” to be the UK , including Ireland ( though Micks might dispute that) Canada , USA , NZ and Oz.
    
    By that meaning common law , culture , language , gubmint.
    
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    August 13, 2019 12:46pm
    - stephieboy
      
      “Even the north east corner of Ireland is not Anglo Saxon. Mostly Scots.??
      
      Should we say Celtic along with their forbears in England before the Saxons, Jutes, Angles and Friesians arrived?
      
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      August 13, 2019 8:08pm
Right of way is Way of Right

The debacle with Fonterra must mean that Labour are finally bringing in policies to create more small businesses.

Step one, find a large business….
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August 13, 2019 9:42am
- kowtow
  
  And at last they’ll learn to take the heavy hand of regulation off the farming sector . ( Sarc, for the thickos )
  
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  August 13, 2019 12:43pm
stephieboy

With Islamaphobia lurking its Cerberus ugly head again we need to be reminded of what good citizenship is about,

Driver stops train, demands racist passenger get off

“A Wellington train conductor has been hailed as a hero for literally stopping a train in its tracks after a racist taunt between passengers turned nasty last night.

The train had left the Wellington Railway station for Upper Hutt but came to a halt after the conductor overheard a passenger racially abusing another for speaking Hindi on his cellphone.

One of the passengers on the train, who asked not to be named, said the incident unfolded at around 8pm last night.

“A young girl, about 16, was yelling at a passenger and saying ‘go back to your country, don’t speak that language here’,” she told Checkpoint.
“She said she was getting off at the next stop, and the conductor said ‘no you can get off at this one, I’m not putting up with that nonsense’”

“The Indian passenger was just minding his own business, talking to his friend in their own language.”

“It appeared this teenage girl had an issue with him talking in his own language and she was being racist and abusive towards him.”

The conductor said she wasn’t having any of that on her train.

“We don’t put up with language like that, of any kind. We carry passengers to and from A to B, and we want our passengers to get there in a safe manner.”….”

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/driver-stops-train-demands-racist-passenger-get-off/ar-AAFAtm4?li=BBqdg4K&ocid=UP97DHP
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August 13, 2019 9:45am
- Maggie Pie
  
  The Conductor sounds like a real tough guy.
  Wonder what he would have done if the abuser was a 20 stone Maori girl?
  
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  August 13, 2019 10:09am
  - Happychappy
    
    The conductor was a very thin woman and the story was on TV over the weekend , stephie like always is a few days late.
    
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    August 13, 2019 11:14am
    - sooty
      
      And couple of sandwhichs short of a picnic!
      
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      August 13, 2019 11:42am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I posted a link to the story here on KB 4 days ago
      https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/08/general_debate_9_august_2019.html#comment-2536409
      
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      August 13, 2019 12:13pm
- Swifty
  
  ‘With Islamaphobia lurking its Cerberus ugly head again…..’
  
  Facepalm.
  
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  August 13, 2019 10:15am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Yes indeed, when the subject of the racist abuse (which incidentally is totally unacceptable) was an Indian.
    
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    August 13, 2019 11:10am
    - Swifty
      
      And how do you lurk a head?
      
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      August 13, 2019 7:25pm
- Swifty
  
  It doesn’t surprise me that as KiwiBlog’s dumbest commentator you cannot distinguish between criticizing a religion or an ideology and being rude to someone on the train.
  
  Or is it your view that NZers should not be free to criticize religion? If so, good luck with that.
  
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  August 13, 2019 10:18am
- Jules99
  
  LOL, we all know the teenage girl wasn’t white – the article would have said so if she was. Likely a brainwashed Maori who is upset that outsiders might threaten their meal tickets. We’ve got a lot of them around my way.
  
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  August 13, 2019 10:20am
  - kowtow
    
    ‘LOL, we all know the teenage girl wasn’t white’
    
    Yep , when the legacy lamestream media fail to explicitly say what the offenders ethnicity was you know the deliberate omission is exactly that.
    
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    August 13, 2019 11:56am
wreck1080

Looks to me like the red card is totally justified… and a long suspension too. Why didn’t they replay this angle at the time? It would have removed all question.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1160810296732090368

No attempt to wrap arms, simply a forearm/shoulder barge directly to the neck. That may have paralysed someone with weaker neck muscles.
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August 13, 2019 9:55am
- MH
  
  inexplicable why not shown earlier or on the day to the TMO. Totally justified the red and as for Savea’s stupid face Hooper rubbing in the dirt, Where did they get that it was OK, Hansen?
  
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  August 13, 2019 3:51pm
Chuck Bird

For those in or near Hamilton who what to see a National led government.

Do you like to discuss politics while enjoying a bite to eat?

For just $25 you can “chew the fat” over pizza and a drink with National’s spokesperson for Finance, Hon Paul Goldsmith.

This National Party event is co-hosted by Hon Tim Macindoe and Hon David Bennett.

Come along, bring a friend, share on FB.
Don’t forget to RSVP to ensure there is enough pizza to go around!

https://www.facebook.com/TimMacindoeMP/photos/gm.884661305234065/2335826343152842/?type=3&theater
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August 13, 2019 10:01am
Yvette

Complainants whose allegations of improper behaviour were dismissed by the Labour Party have been granted an independent appeal, along with funding for legal advice. It followed Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern’s comments that there should be an independent expert to look into serious complaints against the party.
Seven formal complaints were laid with the party and up to 12 people made general complaints about a Labour staffer who works in the parliamentary precinct.

“They’ve have been told to keep quiet about what’s going on, that it should be kept as an internal process, advised not to go to the police. They feel they are losing all options and actually losing hope,” Bennett said last week.

“They felt intimidation and bullying, that the alleged perpetrator was too valuable and had senior MPs protecting him, so this sounds like a step forward,” Bennett told the Herald.

These are the people Winston chose to govern the country.
“Me Too must become We Too”, Ardern told the UN General Assembly.
Yes, she sure as hell has managed that.
How much less transparent, dishonest or lacking in integrity could a party be?
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August 13, 2019 10:01am
Shut the hell up you Fascist!

“How much less transparent, dishonest or lacking in integrity could a party be?”

Blame the rat-bag bunch we call the NZ media.
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August 13, 2019 10:21am
- kowtow
  
  How much less transparent , dishonest or lacking in integrity could the media be.
  
  At least when you see a politicians’ lips moving , you can take it for granted you’re being led to.
  
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  August 13, 2019 12:41pm
Rich Prick

I think I’m done with visiting Islamic shitholes. I’m satisfied they deserve their climates, and lack of cold beer and bacon. Misery on every face. They are welcome to them.
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August 13, 2019 10:36am
chaos

With a Grand Solar Minimum on our doorstep, it is Nice to see the students are having another strike so they can get a free day off without punishment, oh I mean it is nice to see they are taking global warming serious……..
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August 13, 2019 10:38am
Tony Stuart

On the 11am news – Chief Statistician Liz McPherson has taken responsibility for the abysmal 2018 Census, and is resigning with effect from Christmas.

It remains to be seen whether Statistics Minister James Shaw, who spent Census Day in the Pacific with Winston Peters, will do likewise.
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August 13, 2019 11:13am
- hullkiwi
  
  Tony, I’ve just had the RNZ news alert to the same effect.
  
  So, as you say, will Shaw fall on his sword for his incompetence as Mjnister in Charge.
  
  …and what of MacPherson, is there another agency for her to screw up in?
  
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  August 13, 2019 11:25am
- chaos
  
  He was only following the prime ministers example and doing anything out of the country to avoid doing his job
  
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  August 13, 2019 11:28am
srylands

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/114951306/census-2018-chief-statistician-liz-macpherson-has-resigned

This will be a lesson for years to come in how some folk ignore the obvious.

When I first heard about the online census, I immediately thought it would fail. I really wish I had been proven wrong, but there you go. There are many New Zealanders who just don’t give a bugger about things like the census. I am surprised that the response rate was not even lower.
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August 13, 2019 11:14am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  On census day: Limit internet access in homes to 1 hour per day until census forms are completed.
  
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  August 13, 2019 11:37am
  - alloytoo
    
    Wouldn’t be easier for the ISP’s to direct you to the form, irrespective of where you want to go?
    
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    August 13, 2019 12:36pm
Sacha

@ srylands – and some regard the census as the government intruding into their private affairs, and simply won’t co-operate.
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August 13, 2019 11:29am
- sooty
  
  Or feed a line of bullshit!
  
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  August 13, 2019 11:46am
- secondcumming
  
  Yep – I remember John Banks when he was on Radio Pacific saying he had never filled in a census form in his life…..in fact he said if a census taker ever tried to get thru his gates “he would set Muldoon on them” [his Alsatian] 😎
  
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  August 13, 2019 11:56am
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh Grief…
No Census until 2023.

It is in our view that a census before 2023 is unsafe
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/396557/head-of-stats-nz-liz-macpherson-resigns-over-botched-census
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August 13, 2019 11:38am
- srylands
  
  Couldn’t they run one in 2020 and literally just replicate the old method? You know the one that worked.
  
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  August 13, 2019 2:13pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  “It is in our view that a census before 2023 is unsafe”
  As Greens/Labour might be blamed if it turns out shit again.
  
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  August 13, 2019 2:37pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Looks like we won’t get properly representative electorates until 2026 then, and there have been huge shifts going on around Auckland and Tauranga.
    
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    August 13, 2019 3:55pm
Maggy Wassilieff

How fudgy temperature records are fed to the public

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/08/12/greenlands-record-temperature-denied-the-data-was-wrong/
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August 13, 2019 11:45am
- oldgolfer
  
  You are probably already on to this, but The Outsiders on Sky News (Saturday mornings) has a segment called Ice Age Watch where various alarmist reports are lampooned.
  It is almost as delicious as Lefty Lunacy and Woke News, two other segments.
  
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  August 13, 2019 3:35pm
Maggie Pie

To the scumbag who stole all the anti-depressants from our meds cabinet last night I hope you’re happy now.
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August 13, 2019 11:48am
- chaos
  
  Wow
  
  Any security cameras to catch them with.
  
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  August 13, 2019 12:07pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    are you by any chance related to stephieboy?
    
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    August 13, 2019 12:51pm
    - chaos
      
      I do wonder why people are so quick to insult others here. Oh well guess this isn’t a place for me, too much people attacking, bullying and being rude to others. Everything I don’t really like about how the left acts seems to exist here.
      
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      August 13, 2019 4:32pm
      - Swifty
        
        Stick around chaos.
        
        We’re only rude to those who richly deserve it.
        
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        August 13, 2019 7:28pm
  - Colville
    
    chaos
    Did you hear that woooosh sound?
    
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    August 13, 2019 12:54pm
    - kowtow
      
      Reminds me of the old one about Paddy staying up all night wondering where the sun went , it finally dawned on him.
      
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      August 13, 2019 2:18pm
    - chaos
      
      I actually prefer to believe people in what they say
      
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      August 13, 2019 4:31pm
      - Swifty
        
        Come on now – you must admit that was quite a good one from Maggie.
        
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        August 13, 2019 7:29pm
Swifty

Religious homekill can be harmful:

https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=H9N0_1565566632

(Shows man being booted in face, possibly not ok for work)
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August 13, 2019 12:05pm
- JibberJabber
  
  He`ll have to put the steaks thru a blender if he wants to eat them after that.
  
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  August 13, 2019 2:14pm
Maggie Pie

Does anyone know how to connect to the new WO blogsite?
I cant see the link on the sidebar here that i used to be able to clik on.
Just asking for a friend.
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August 13, 2019 12:36pm
- Tall Man
  
  https://thebfd.co.nz/
  
  Seems really really slow….. Answering for a friend… or was that fiend?
  
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  August 13, 2019 12:50pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Hey thanks Tall Man! Yes gosh it is slow to load.
    [And WOW – I wonder if they know The Daily Bog has completely ripped off their new design and layout?]
    
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    August 13, 2019 1:21pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Is that right?
      And there was the Beige Badger Pete George gumming everything in sight about how TheBFD was copying things from WOBF and how this would mean the Liquidator would have them all arrested!
      Hilarious.
      
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      August 13, 2019 3:17pm
  - DigNap15
    
    I just went there
    It loaded, but its very slow
    Thanks for that, there seems to be a few centre right news site starting up
    What does BFD stand for?
    I think its probably slow due to the website hosting package they have.
    They probably need more bandwidth.
    
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    August 13, 2019 1:53pm
    - secondcumming
      
      BigFuckingDeal
      
      😎
      
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      August 13, 2019 2:08pm
- Bell-47
  
  Is offline currently. Connection time outs and SSL issue. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was being targeted.
  
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  August 13, 2019 1:36pm
Batman

Alright, I know how you lot love a good conspiracy, so here is a first hand account from the failing NY Times lol

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/12/business/jeffrey-epstein-interview.html
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August 13, 2019 1:27pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Holey Toledo Batman!
  And what about this – remember how somebody called Johnny Bryant was caught sucking Fergy’s toes? Sounds like Randy Andy was as big a deviant as he was 🙁
  
  https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9697240/jeffrey-epstein-teen-prince-andrew-toe-licks/
  
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  August 13, 2019 1:43pm
cmm

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/114956316/marcel-geros-granted-bail-on-police-chaserelated-charge

According to the judge the poor little cuddle bug just can’t get a break…. Awwww….

He was in a car with gangsters “giving back his patch” to go clean when the cops showed up.

“A judge has let Marcel Sydney Geros out on bail after hearing that he was in the process of handing back his Black Power gang patch when a car chase developed in Christchurch last week.”

The dud judge fell for this. C’mon dude do you live on the same planet as me? The one where there is gravity and criminals lie all the time?

You don’t have to hand in a gang patch like a library book.

You just piss on it, then pour petrol on it, set it on fire then flush the charred remains down the crapper.

I’ll bet the judge $5000 to a servo pie this guy commits more crimes before the end of the year.
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August 13, 2019 1:48pm
- secondcumming
  
  It wasn’t the same judge as last time was it?
  Going on his previous decision that Raoul Neave would believe anything 😎
  
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  August 13, 2019 2:05pm
- JibberJabber
  
  I believe you don`t get to “hand back” your patch, you either run a fucking mile from these sociopaths or they rip it off your back whilst they are giving you a kicking that will put you in intensive care.
  Once you are in, you can never get out willingly.
  
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  August 13, 2019 2:10pm
- DigNap15
  
  yes and gangs really love members leaving, its a bit of a self imposed death sentence.
  
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  August 13, 2019 7:53pm
JibberJabber

The metoo movement has never needed details or evidence before,
https://twitter.com/Alisonmau/status/1160788790295744512
but now it`s her mate Cindy it`s all, lets not jump to conclusions.
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August 13, 2019 2:19pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Oh Dear,
  late to the pardy again.
  
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  August 13, 2019 3:28pm
- MrTips
  
  Mau just lost all credibility. Pathetic, what a complete turncoat.
  
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  August 13, 2019 4:44pm
Happychappy

It sounds like Adrain Orr was the Government to start spending to start the cranking up the economy by saying I will be watching you Jacinda.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=12258133
It’s going to be a interesting read when in Croaking Cassandra when Michael Reddit posts his next column.
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August 13, 2019 2:32pm
Maggy Wassilieff

The alcohol-poisoned baby story continues:

https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/13-08-2019/coroner-says-breastfeeding-mums-should-never-drink-alcohol-400-doctors-disagree/
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August 13, 2019 3:52pm
adaman

Another terror (presumably Islamic inspired based on video with dickhead yelling what sounds like Allah Akhbar) attack in Sydney 🙁

Multiple stabbed.

Video in twitter link.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/sydney-stabbing-live-multiple-people-reportedly-stabbed-in-cbd-20190813-p52goc.html

https://twitter.com/Andrew_Denney/status/1161134805993439233
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August 13, 2019 5:12pm
- DigNap15
  
  These attacks by lone wolfs with knives are just useless.
  We need a few more big bomb attacks with cars and vans.
  To wake western people and governments up!
  
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  August 13, 2019 7:51pm
Hugh Pavletich

NEW ZEALAND: The Fonterra Fiasco … Heather du Plessis-Allan – Shane Jones – Keith Woodford …

Heather du Plessis-Allan: Farmers deserve answers from Fonterra … NewsTalkZB

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/heather-du-plessis-allan-drive/opinion/heather-du-plessis-allan-farmers-deserve-answers-from-fonterra/

Fonterra’s ‘enlarged corporate egos’ to blame for dairy giant’s downfall, Shane Jones says | Stuff.co.nz

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/114952590/fonterra-executives-enlarged-corporate-egos-to-blame-for-dairy-giants-downfall-shane-jones-says

Keith Woodford explains how Fonterra’s capital shortage has now got a great deal worse, with no easy answers … Interest Co NZ

https://www.interest.co.nz/rural-news/101170/keith-woodford-explains-how-fonterra%E2%80%99s-capital-shortage-has-now-got-great-deal
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August 13, 2019 6:29pm
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  … Government hacks playing business …
  
  The day the Fonterra dream finally died … Bernard Hickey … Newsroom
  
  https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2019/08/13/752126/an-annus-horribilis-for-fonterra-farmers-59b-of-losses#
  
  Fonterra’s value has almost halved since its overseas expansion strategy imploded in early 2018. Now its new leaders have found yet more losses and look set to dismantle what remains of what many hoped would become a national champion. Bernard Hickey looks through the rubble.
  
  The dream is over, except for the final garage sale and the divvying up of the proceeds. … read more via hyperlink above …
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  August 14, 2019 6:38am
Wired-one

https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/114961557/very-real-risk-nz-steel-could-be-forced-to-pull-out-of-auckland

We contribute 0.17% of worldwide emissions. Why are sensible, intelligent kiwis not fighting back, against this frankly economic treason.
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August 13, 2019 7:56pm
Wired-one

Amazing footage from Australia, regarding the Sydney stabbings tonight. So many brave people fighting back against this sick individual and subduing him until police could arrive. Anyone else see it?
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August 13, 2019 7:59pm
Jack5

A Crown apology has been negotiated for Chatham Islands Moriori being left landless, and there will be $18 million taxpayer compensation.

Yet the genocide of the islanders and enslavement of survivors were committed by the Taranaki tribes Ngati Tama and Ngati Mutunga after their invasion in 1835 – before the Treaty of Waitangi in 1840.

Will there be an apology from Taranaki Maori for their colonisation, which was exceedingly brutal compared with the Western settlement of New Zealand after the Treaty?

Will the Ngati Mutunga return some of the 97 per cent of land awarded to them by the Native Land Court in 1870, based on the tribe’s “conquest” of Moriori?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12258108
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