General Debate 12 August 2019

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burt

It’s August so it’s pacific island holiday time, is everyone enjoying having 3 weeks holiday this month?
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August 12, 2019 8:02am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Tuvalu sounds interesting…
  
  I wonder who will be popping in this Wednesday?
  
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  August 12, 2019 8:46am
  - Greg Ettridge
    
    It is a definite, saw a RNZ article, needs two aircraft guessing runway to short for 757.
    Taking a Herc as well.
    Scomo is going but he will take the new 14 seater Falcon.
    That will be a nicer ride than the Herc.
    I wonder if the crew are still bobbing around out there for another appearance. might need the chopper to check sea level.
    https://scontent-syd2-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/c45324a2435e5c4d220be42040652ce3/5DD8A7B0/t51.2885-15/sh0.08/e35/s640x640/65946157_163420664710865_265520681277829964_n.jpg?_nc_ht=scontent-syd2-1.cdninstagram.com
    Could wear this, not sure she is not trying to outdo Trudeau on his trip to India.
    https://www.instagram.com/p/B0mtWSGJPBY/
    
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    August 12, 2019 3:38pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Runway not too short for 757 but probably not strong enough for the weight. And couldn’t take off with a full fuel load so would have to refuel at Nadi on the way back.
      
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      August 12, 2019 8:00pm
      - Ruawai
        
        Especially with the weight of all the friendly MSM onboard.
        
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        August 13, 2019 9:27am
- Tall Man
  
  We were going to head to the islands but we couldn’t book until we knew the harridan’s plan to ensure we weren’t double dating……..
  
  Queensland here we come 😉
  
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  August 12, 2019 9:43am
igm

Labour must be getting concerned seeing as they are once again wanting criminals in gaol voting. It is obvious the majority would vote left . . . lefties never fail to amaze in how low they will go for a voting base.
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August 12, 2019 8:03am
- kowtow
  
  The irony is real crims don’t like to register to vote , for obvious reasons , so the answer is just let anyone vote, anywhere , any number of times.
  
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  August 12, 2019 8:42am
- oldgolfer
  
  Go ahead, Andrew, as it will give voters not in jail another reason to not vote for your party or anyone supporting it.
  
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  August 12, 2019 9:41am
- Bell-47
  
  Watch this space for a bill from the Greens to allow 16 year olds to vote..
  
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  August 12, 2019 10:18am
  - namron
    
    The Govt’s talk of extending enrolment right up to and including Polling day also sounds like a very obvious move to capture votes.
    Millions of us have had no problem enrolling ourselves to vote using the present system.
    
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    August 12, 2019 12:50pm
- Jack5
  
  Andrew Little says the ban on prisoners’ voting was part of a “fascist” culture the National-led Government fostered against criminals.”
  
  That’s from the mouth of the most authoritarian person in Parliament.
  
  https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/restoring-prisoners-right-to-vote-still-not-a-priority-little/ar-AAFF5JO
  
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  August 12, 2019 10:56am
  - Jack5
    
    Here’s one of the folk who would get a vote if Little had his way:
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12257685
    
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    August 12, 2019 11:57am
    - Pharmachick
      
      He really is a walking argument for capital punishment.
      
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      August 12, 2019 3:19pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        And a history of stalking females.
        Frightening!
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/113840096/joseph-william-borton-preyed-on-a-12yearold-girl-and-murdered-her-mother-he-had-stalked-another-girl
        
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        August 12, 2019 4:23pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        These stalking nutjobs aren’t just frightening, they are fucking terrifying. If they start to obsess on you you are in constant but uncertain danger. The law ~~can’t~~ won’t protect you, and in bad cases it requires vanishing yourself – moving city or country, cutting off contact with family and friends (as possible route to being traced), harder in these well connected days. Your only hope is that they turn up dead, in jail, or move on to targeting some other poor bastard.
        
        At a minimum every women they come into contact with needs to be warned off them.
        
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        August 12, 2019 5:53pm
- infused
  
  Gotta give Little credit though. He came out this morning saying he’s too busy for it. Almost to the point he wanted to say “not this shit again”.
  
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  August 12, 2019 12:13pm
alloytoo

After a week like last week, Winston must be considering when (not if) to cut himself loose from Labour and will it be enough?
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August 12, 2019 8:04am
RW Capitalist

Sent this to the AM show, wonder if they will read it?
Duncan

Will Amanda and the AM show be apologizing for the reference to and reaction to UKIP politician “Dick Brain”?
or is the standard different now, to when Paul Henry did exactly this re Ms Dikshit?

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August 12, 2019 8:05am
- Inandout
  
  RW they desperately need government funds and side with Jacinda on any issue. Once Little gets serious about letting prisoners vote and gives his instructions, Garner will allow himself to be stroked. The AM show under severe financial pressure means they will do Labour’s bidding, and wait for next year. You ain’t seen nothing yet folks.
  
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  August 12, 2019 8:40am
- MickMac
  
  Amanda’s another woke tool.
  
  I don’t watch as Marks the only one who makes good comment, The host is all over the place and goes woke every other day.
  
  TV 1 is worse even with Tame having left.
  Green H/O blurting out her woke comments aided and abetted by whichever young staffer is around…
  
  Watching them bait & bully the PI guy was excruciating, just because he was talking sense and is not a lefty Greenie. TV1 execs are clowns.
  
  Over the hill John boy is so sad to see, he’s eager beaver attitude being grudgingly looked upon by the woke ones…
  
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  August 12, 2019 9:26am
- JibberJabber
  
  If they could just get Amanda to stop coughing into the mic, that would be nice.
  
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  August 12, 2019 9:50am
  - Inandout
    
    JJ, that is a guilt cough, as she would run a mile before getting close to the unwashed she supposedly adores.
    
    ‘When someone is about to lie their anxiety levels increase making their throat dry and tight. If you notice someone swallowing hard, coughing or clearing their throat a lot, it’s possible they’re nervous of being caught in a lie!’
    
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    August 12, 2019 10:59am
Biscuit

That weekend winter storm here has really f*cked up the airwaves.

BBC News, laughably, is reporting that Thugenal won away from home overnight and that Man Yoo, at home, scored 4 of them goal thingies in one game.

Some of you probably watched the games in question ‘live’.

Can you please advise the ‘real’ scores?

And if someone could pop into the NZRFU offices and find me the real score from the Test in Perth I’d be grateful. The reported result, I swear, reads more like a Phil Kearns’ wet dream!
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August 12, 2019 8:07am
Zapper

I watched the AM show for the first (and last) time ever today. On it, Andrew Little was interviewed about a range of topics and it got worse as it went.

The low light was when he said in 2010 ACT implemented “fascist” law and order policies. I don’t think that means what he thinks it means.
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August 12, 2019 8:08am
- hullkiwi
  
  Zapper, it’s more than the 2010 changes being facist. Those changes denied potential labour voters the chance to vote, and his opinion is supported by the Waitangi Tribunal.
  
  There just is a couple of major disconnects between Angry’s and the Waitangi Tribunal’s positions. The law is not racist or stripping Maoris of their rights and it is not against the Bill of Rights either. It’s just the Supreme Court extend rights to those who lost them through committing crimes that put them away. The law is not discriminatory, it applies equally to all. It is just that Maori are more likely to end up behind bars. That’s not the laws fault, it is the Maoris fault.
  
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  August 12, 2019 8:53am
- oldpark
  
  Heard the ex EPMU boss Angry Andy Little selected by Mr Peters to be NZs Justice Minister.
  His quote .That MPs are “elected” to make decisions.
  Him and his ilk being “selected” by Peters ,must in fact make his far reaching decisions to turn NZ laws upside down bogus. After all when was he or his Party elected in NZ.
  He is living up to his track record of being one of the most obnoxious “list” MPs to sit in NZs Parliament. He is only surpassed by his boss Mr Peters. Nuff said.
  
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  August 12, 2019 9:43am
  - Tall Man
    
    Lose the “Mr” and you’re getting their.
    
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    August 12, 2019 10:23am
  - igm
    
    Bet Little would not walk down Devon Street, New Plymouth, without DPS all around him.
    Further bet he will not have the guts to stand in New Plymouth again.
    In fact, mention anything Labour to decent people in Taranaki, then be prepared to duck, real quick!.
    
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    August 12, 2019 10:41am
    - Scott
      
      igm – quite right about Andrew Little. In fact New Plymouth was a marginal seat until Andrew Little stood for labour and he single-handedly transformed it into a safe seat for National!
      
      To me he seems very angry much of the time. He doesn’t seem to have any family life? Does he have a wife, does he have children? It’s not that we have to know every detail about the man but I would like to know that he has a life outside politics to just humanise the fellow. For all I know he gets put in the cupboard after a political meeting and brought out again when the next meeting is due.
      
      It also does show to me the fatal weakness of MMP. That you have people in parliament who have not faced the electorate and won the confidence of the majority of that electorate. They are in because they are high in the esteem of the political party, not because they have won the confidence of actual voters.
      
      That’s why I think MMP has been a failure in my mind. We have too many people in parliament that should not be there, they have never faced the voters and won their confidence. So it is not truly a House of Representatives.
      
      There are real world consequences of having people in parliament who have not been elected by actual voters. Some of them are radical and can cause great damage. As an example I give you the entire Green party. Who of them would win the confidence of a majority of voters? But as it is they have inordinate power in government and are doing their best to destroy the energy sector of this country.
      
      I would like to see a change in our political system.
      
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      August 12, 2019 11:00am
      - greybeard
        
        Now that was one sensible post.
        
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        August 12, 2019 11:52am
      - namron
        
        Well said, Scott.
        Democracy is supposed to be “government OF the people, BY the people.”
        There needs to be sensible ways to allow the people doing the voting. [Not any of biased ideas being floated by Labour]
        And all actual people go to Parliament must be voted by these people. [Not political party appointees.] MMP must go – even FPP is better.
        
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        August 12, 2019 1:06pm
      - MickMac
        
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        and one law for all.
        
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        August 12, 2019 1:09pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        While we have to assume that, realistically, we are stuck with MMP for at least another twenty years or so, should we ever change our electoral system, it should be to “STV in large electoral districts, with no above-the-line party boxes”.
        
        Given that New Zealand is now a very different country to the one it was before MMP, we will need to adopt a system that is still at least *broadly* proportional. I have previously set out my idea of what that system could look like, here: https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/06/good_parliamentary_reform_proposals.html – scroll down to my reply to spryte’s 10:03AM comment. (Sorry, but I have no idea how Maggy W zeroes down to a specific comment number.)
        
        Yes, it starts off with 127 MPs (based on the 2013 Census data), but keep in mind, I am talking about 2040, and beyond. The total number of MPs can be altered by setting the number of South Island MPs at a figure lower than 30.
        
        If the system I describe still seems *too* proportional, the “district magnitude” of the electorates could simply be reduced (and, hence, the number of electorates increased), to suit the prevailing consensus at the time.
        
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        August 12, 2019 1:18pm
Maggie Pie

Got introduced to a new girl last night who’s joined us from Capital & Coast DHB. During one of the breaks she was saying, “Imagine being so ignorant that you’d ignore a persons gender, ethnicity, or sexual preference and just treat them the same as everyone else”.

I thought about that for a while and realised she may well not fit in all that well with the rest of team.
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August 12, 2019 8:10am
- Rich Prick
  
  That’s utter madness Maggie, a Maori heart attack is so different, they require three machines that go “bing” and a shitload of white guilt.
  
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  August 12, 2019 8:41am
  - fernglas
    
    She saw you coming and was taking the piss
    
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    August 12, 2019 8:55am
  - kevn
    
    @RP… Is that ‘bing’ or ‘ka-ching’?
    
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    August 12, 2019 9:20am
    - sooty
      
      Yep it’s the ka ching. (cash register).
      
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      August 12, 2019 11:18am
- slightlyrighty
  
  “Imagine being so ignorant that you’d ignore a persons gender, ethnicity, or sexual preference and just treat them the same as everyone else”
  
  The mental gymnastics that this one sentence puts me through just goes to illustrate why logic and reason has left the culture wars.
  
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  August 12, 2019 8:50am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Sometimes i think my partners got it right.
    He has a much more simple outlook on life and puts people into just two categories: c**ts and non-c**ts
    
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    August 12, 2019 9:03am
    - MickMac
      
      Maggie Pie
      hahaha.
      Thats me, but the wife doesn’t like the word, so i usually say, “look there’s another one”.
      
      I do differentiate between there being a fine line between acting like a cnt (which sometimes we might all do) and actually being a cnt.
      
      Same with being a twat, arsehole and dick which hierarchywise come before C**t.
      But Cnt is special, they are dangerous.
      
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      August 12, 2019 9:31am
    - Right of way is Way of Right
      
      My wife, God bless her, is not at all shy about using the word ‘c**t’ to describe someone worthy of the appellation.
      
      However she is less enamoured of the word ‘moist’!
      
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      August 12, 2019 10:08am
    - Tall Man
      
      As an aside, where does marama fit in?
      
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      August 12, 2019 10:20am
      - sooty
        
        Not in many spaces! I’m afraid, too many pies!
        
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        August 12, 2019 2:46pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I thought all you nurses had sat through years of cultural safety courses.
  Perhaps your DHB needs to waste a few more million $$$$$ sending you all back to retraining camp.
  
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  August 12, 2019 8:57am
  - stephieboy
    
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    MW, displaying your ignorance yet again!
    
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    August 12, 2019 9:56am
    - pentwig
      
      steffie
      tell us how MW is doing that!
      
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      August 12, 2019 10:48am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        There aren’t many people who display ignorance here on as consistent a basis as stephie.
        
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        August 12, 2019 2:42pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Clearly you do not know a damn thing about this matter, stephieboy.
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_safety
      
      Cultural Safety has its origins in the field of nursing education.[2] The concept originated at a nursing leadership hui in 1989 after concerns were raised by Māori nursing students about the safety of Māori students in monocultural nursing schools and of Māori intellectual property when taught by tauiwi.
      
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      August 12, 2019 2:17pm
      - Sacha
        
        “cultural safety”
        As I remember, it was first raised by a student nurse at some gathering or another, when she asked a question saying ” we talk about health safety, but what about Cultural safety?” Or words to that effect.
        
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        August 12, 2019 2:40pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Maggy, every time you engage with her she gets a buzz.
        
        Ignore her as much as you can and like the proverbial stink she’ll blow away in the wind.
        
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        August 12, 2019 6:21pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Thanks for your advice Tall Man,
        
        but as I discovered earlier in my time here at KB,
        the number of personal attacks and defamatory lies by a few anonymous chaps just mounted up and up..until people felt that they had a right to discuss my reproductive bits, my underwear, my mental state etc, with free abandon.
        
        Do you really think I should just shut up and let my abusers have full reign again?
        
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        August 12, 2019 8:58pm
- Tall Man
  
  Totally indoctrinated.
  
  Those that impose this are too stupid to realise that it actually increases racism because you are trained to see a person/patient by their ethnicity or religion before you “see” the person.
  
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  August 12, 2019 10:22am
  - MickMac
    
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    Right on the button.
    It doesn’t matter does it.
    old school is the best school most days, no politiking.
    
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    August 12, 2019 1:12pm
- plc
  
  You realise this is just a pisstake. It’s a play on the tweet by a UK guy that used to trigger the left until he was banned by Twitter.
  
  The original was:
  
  “Imagine being so shallow that when someone says something you don’yt agree with, you just shrug your shoulders and get on with your day”
  
  I used it as my email signature for about six months.
  
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  August 12, 2019 10:25am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Godfrey Elfwick?
    
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    August 12, 2019 10:43am
- Fletch
  
  OK, but I’m sure if you’re in the medical field, a woman with stomach pains can have a different problem from a guy with stomach pains. Gender (or at least biological sex) must be taken into account.
  
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  August 12, 2019 10:50am
  - Sacha
    
    You’re being silly – aren’t you? I hope.
    You treat the stomach pain, with all the considerations required, & biological sex is likely to be one.
    
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    August 12, 2019 2:49pm
Happychappy

Andrew Little doesn’t think the OIA needs any work to make it faster and more transparent.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/114669954/ministry-to-analyse-public-oia-submissions-and-report-back-to-justice-minister-andrew-little.
He says a over haul is not needed as his Government is more open than his predecessors .
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August 12, 2019 8:13am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Missed his calling – his obvious talent is for straight-man comedy.
  
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  August 12, 2019 9:29am
- MickMac
  
  He’s another one of them in my book.
  
  Put every OIA into a searchable database of all the results on each ministry’s webpage.
  Available for all Kwiws to look at.
  Based on the subject matter and/or request title.
  
  Make the CEO and Minister liable for the dept’s OIA directly.
  
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  August 12, 2019 9:32am
kowtow

“Peaceful” protesters , yeah right.

‘ The tourist hub of Tsim Sha Tsui became a battlefield again and the police station came under attack for the second straight day, with protesters throwing petrol bombs over the barriers protecting the building front.’

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/politics/article/3022348/hong-kong-police-ramp-force-firing-tear-gas-inside-kwai
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August 12, 2019 8:14am
- MickMac
  
  when people see nothing ahead, they will escalate.
  They know the truth of China and want none of it.
  We should be throwing China out of every international organisation and forum until she comes right.
  Starting with the UN, WHO, UNESCO and all the other UN gobshit orgs and committees.
  WTO, WB etc etc
  
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  August 12, 2019 9:36am
  - kowtow
    
    ‘when people see nothing ahead, they will escalate.’
    
    OK on the basis of that then , let’s get out there and support the Ihumatao mob.
    
    Young , passionate dispossesed Maori see nothing ahead , so take the law into their own hands………..
    
    Same with the Uruwera terrorists………
    
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    August 12, 2019 10:50am
    - MickMac
      
      That’s what we have batons and tear gas for 🙂
      
      The reality is we are not going to ghost them off to a detention facility, where they can disappear are we?
      
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      August 12, 2019 1:13pm
      - sooty
        
        Need to go buy some water cannon too!
        
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        August 12, 2019 2:49pm
- rouppe
  
  I see disturbing similarities to the Arab Spring…
  
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  August 12, 2019 11:13am
  - MickMac
    
    Yeah but they didn’t want to get rid of Sharia, just those with their heads in the trough.
    
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    August 12, 2019 1:15pm
RW Capitalist

Apparently there is a fund raising effort to raise funds for a kid with cancer.
Dinner with Grant Roberson….
Don’t know about you, but they’d have to pay me (plenty)..to even enter the same restaurant.
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August 12, 2019 8:15am
- calendar girl
  
  Oh, I don’t know. He appears to eat rather well.
  
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  August 12, 2019 9:39am
  - Tall Man
    
    Dining off the “fat of the land”….. at our cost of course.
    
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    August 12, 2019 10:17am
    - Ruahine
      
      Seems to know his way around the Koru Club buffet quite well.
      
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      August 12, 2019 10:28am
  - Biscuit
    
    calendar girl, Grant might look well fed … but his partner Alf looked positively anorexic last time I saw him!
    
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    August 12, 2019 11:52am
    - sooty
      
      It’s a hard row to hoe, driving the buses and looking after Grant at night!
      edit
      Whats that song, Mathew and son!
      
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      August 12, 2019 2:51pm
Paulus

Why is it the Unemployment rate has dropped when Jobseeker Support rate has increased by 13% since the second quarter of 2018 ?
These figures are not included in the Unemployment percentage of course.
Currently the figure to be added is 10,816 plus of course other figures such as supported living payments and sole parent support.
We are being mushroomed !
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August 12, 2019 8:16am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  You are correct Paulus.
  The unemployment figure only counts those actively seeking work. There is now another category of beneficiary too lazy to seek work but still getting paid with no sanction.
  This is Labour’s way of fudging the numbers. The true unemployment rate is at least 5% and going up.
  
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  August 12, 2019 8:54am
  - Swifty
    
    Thanks Captain – I had been wondering about that.
    
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    August 12, 2019 9:36am
  - Tall Man
    
    Plus those who are “disabled”……..
    
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    August 12, 2019 10:13am
- alloytoo
  
  Logically The participation rate has declined.
  
  Not all the jobseeker beneficiaries are actually seeking.
  
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  August 12, 2019 9:02am
- ex-golfer
  
  There is no such thing as the Unemployment Benefit anymore. In its review of the social welfare system, the last Government re-classified all benefits including a change of names.
  
  What was the Unemployment Benefit is now the Jobseeker Support payment.
  What was the Disabled Benefit is now the Supported Living Payment.
  What was the DPB is now the Sole Parent Support.
  
  People are classified in the system according to their needs. So whilst more people are on the Jobseeker Support payment, you only need to be looking for work for a minimum of 1 hour per week to be classified as seeking work (therefore not counted as unemployed by Stats NZ).
  
  Stats NZ has not taken into account these new conditions – hence the gaming of the numbers.
  
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  August 12, 2019 8:31pm
Maggy Wassilieff

For those folks wondering whatever happened to MT.
https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/06-08-2019/watch-metiria-turei-opens-up-on-a-life-in-politics-art-and-activism-in-two-sketches/
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August 12, 2019 8:17am
- Biscuit
  
  Interesting, Maggy.
  
  She looks way – and comes across – way happier than I remember her from her political times … and losing those glasses does wonders for her, too.
  
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  August 12, 2019 8:24am
  - Ruahine
    
    She is still a thief if she has not repaid the money.
    
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    August 12, 2019 10:30am
    - Random T Person
      
      Repaying does not make you not a thief.
      
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      August 12, 2019 1:12pm
      - sooty
        
        It only means that you got caught!
        
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        August 12, 2019 2:54pm
- srylands
  
  “As traumatic as it was for a tonne of us, the outcome that I wanted was achieved.”
  
  An unfortunate choice of collective noun.
  
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  August 12, 2019 8:30am
- igm
  
  Has she repaid the money she stole from taxpayers.
  When are the public going to be told why she has not been charged for the offences.
  Has the Labour friendly high ranking plod been instrumental in this as well?
  
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  August 12, 2019 8:32am
- Tall Man
  
  She is still the epitome of the “troughing” politician.
  
  The “poster” girl for the watermelons.
  
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  August 12, 2019 10:13am
- Bell-47
  
  “I’m trying to use the word artist more” Yes Metiria, a bullshit artist first and foremost!
  
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  August 12, 2019 10:34am
- rouppe
  
  I wonder what her source of income is
  
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  August 12, 2019 11:19am
  - igm
    
    Roupe: Interest off her fraudulently obtained welfare payments!
    
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    August 12, 2019 12:22pm
    - sooty
      
      You can say without shadow of daught that she has her nose in some trough!
      
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      August 12, 2019 2:56pm
hullkiwi

8.15am and not a single post approved on GD yet. DPF, the moderation is killing debate on KB. Yesterday, I posted something on GD at 6.59pm, it was still awaiting moderation after 9.00pm. Thirteen months max until the election, National/ACT need KB to be a free exchange of ideas again.
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August 12, 2019 8:18am
Maggy Wassilieff

Much ado about nothing?
https://www.rnz.co.nz/programmes/the-detail/story/2018708003/shoots-of-discontent-in-the-green-party
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August 12, 2019 8:20am
- Random T Person
  
  Whenever you see a story where journalists are interviewing journalists, you know you are not reading journalism or anything even close.
  
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  August 12, 2019 9:04am
kowtow

Gun “controlled” Chicago.

Last weekend

“Dozens of people were shot in Chicago over the weekend, including two mass shootings in less than three hours on Sunday. In all, seven people were killed and 46 others were wounded in shootings since Friday evening.

More than a dozen people were wounded, one of them fatally, in a pair of mass shootings in the Lawndale neighborhood early Sunday.”

https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2019/08/05/weekend-gun-violence-mass-shootings/

This week end.

‘At least six people, including five women, were wounded in a shooting Sunday in Garfield Park on the West Side.’

https://wgntv.com/2019/08/11/6-shot-in-east-garfield-park-most-of-the-victims-are-women/

Our legacy lame stream media not interested , I wonder why?
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August 12, 2019 8:21am
- Inandout
  
  kowtow, the auto response is:
  It is Trump’s fault.
  
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  August 12, 2019 8:44am
- stephieboy
  
  Gun Controlled Chicago?
  
  Easily got from neighbouring states with relatively lax gun control laws!
  
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  August 12, 2019 11:51am
Rich Prick

Greetings from North Africa. No beheadings today, just a bloke with all of his wives out for a walk. No machetes. Quite nice really. But no beer!
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August 12, 2019 8:23am
- record guy
  
  Are you in Mt Roskill ? ?
  
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  August 12, 2019 8:32am
  - Rich Prick
    
    May as well be, beheadings aside.
    
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    August 12, 2019 8:46am
  - skyblue
    
    Now renamed Mt. Mosquekill.
    
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    August 12, 2019 8:47am
- stephieboy
  
  We are now entering Muslim baiting and hating fantasy world!
  
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  August 12, 2019 11:53am
  - MickMac
    
    I’m not, why would you want to go there?
    That’s deplorable Stephie, control yourself!
    
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    August 12, 2019 1:17pm
Maggie Pie

My partner can’t dance to save himself, but when he steps in a dog poop he can moonwalk better than Michael jackson
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August 12, 2019 8:32am
wreck1080

Here is the latest socialist drivel doing the rounds on facebook. And anyone who disagrees with her is of course a racist. . .

She also claims her book is an “Amazon # 1 best seller”. I checked, and she is selling a kindle book for $5, and it is ranked at position 209,149. Bending the truth, much?

https://www.facebook.com/sunnivaholt/posts/2396028453968698

Sunniva Holt
I never experienced racism growing up. Why would I? I’m white. Not a single drop of anything particularly interesting runs through my veins.

I heard a lot of racism growing up though, I just had no idea thats what it was.

“Lazy Maoris”
“Dole Bludgers”
“Always trying to get money off the Government for nothing. Why do they keep complaining about their land? That happened ages ago. There aren’t even any full blood Maoris left, w’re all just New Zealanders” So on and so forth.

This ignorance was my normal. It was the normal for most pakeha.

I never knew what white privilege was. As a white person, you don’t. Because white privilege is the absence of the consequences of racism. You have no idea what other people experience on a daily basis because of the color of their skin. What has been taken from them, how they have suffered.

I was never taught in school the true history of New Zealand. It’s not a part of our curriculum. I sailed through most of my life completely unaware, ignorant not by choice – but ignorant all the same.

For example, I had no idea that in 1863 the land of Ihumātao was stolen from the Maori people in a direct violation of the Treaty Of Waitangi. Their houses and fences destroyed, their church gutted, their land ripped our from under them. Generations of Māori were condemned to lives of poverty and landlessness. Not only were the inhabitants attacked, their homes and property destroyed and their cattle and horses stolen, but then they were punished by confiscation of their lands for a rebellion that never took place.

From the outset, the Crown had intended funding its war of conquest through seizing Māori lands as these were occupied, planting military settlers on some of these to consolidate its control and selling the remainder for huge profits. Around 1.2 million acres of land was confiscated. This was all in direct breach of the Treaty Of Waitangi. They then granted it to a white settler family the Wallaces, who 150 years later, in 2016 sold it to Fletchers who plan to build houses on this land which is sacred. Now peaceful protestors are being treated like criminals as they seek to protect this land which is sacred to them. Even now, there are 100 policemen on site – policemen who should be out doing their actual jobs of keeping our country safe from actual threats.

This is just one travesty among so many others. Even now, after seeking out as much of the truth of our history as I can I feel as if I know so little about our country, our people. And what I am learning is horrific, heartbreaking. No wonder it is kept under wraps, because it is truly shameful.

New Zealand is not alone in this. It is a reflection of the effects of Colonisation in so many countries around the world where Indigenous rights are continuously crushed and their voices go unheard.

I will not shame myself for the color of my skin, I cannot help that any more than I can help the sky being blue or the ocean running deep. But I can choose to discard my ignorance, use my voice for what I know is right, and raise my daughter with a different understanding.

I stand with Ihumātao.
I stand with Mauna Kea.
I stand with Standing Rock.

I stand for our people, and our land.
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August 12, 2019 8:44am
- kowtow
  
  Pressed all the right buttons for numerous reviews by our woke media and a Kiwibonk Book o de year award. Perhaps even a New Years’ Honour for services to illiterature . ( No kidding)
  
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  August 12, 2019 8:58am
- fernglas
  
  Thanks for trebling her audience
  
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  August 12, 2019 8:58am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Goodness..
  is this lady a socialist?
  looks more like a snake-oil peddler to me
  http://sunnivaholt.com/offerings/
  
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  August 12, 2019 9:05am
  - Tall Man
    
    She’s not a hooker?
    
    Damn, where do I get my refund?
    
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    August 12, 2019 9:59am
  - stephieboy
    
    MW, in the tradtion of that other snake oil peddler Lord Christopher Mocknton!
    
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    August 12, 2019 9:59am
    - pentwig
      
      steffie
      stalking MW yet again
      sicko!
      
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      August 12, 2019 10:52am
    - Greg Ettridge
      
      Not like the “snake namer” the fabulous Nigel Farrage, it would be worth you watching outsiders to get a little balance into your political musings.
      
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      August 12, 2019 3:57pm
  - Souvlaki
    
    In that picture …”she ” looks like a bloke to my eye !
    
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    August 12, 2019 10:06am
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      Yup, those are awfully big paws for a real girl.
      
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      August 12, 2019 11:21pm
- Albert_Ross
  
  It may seem counter intuitive but this is exactly why we do need a Race Relations Commissioner. Not only to call out actual racism – there is still some of that about – but also to call out instances of crying “that’s racism!” when it isn’t. Without a clear and authoritative determination as to what is and what isn’t racist, anybody and everybody can and does cry racist to anything they don’t like and reasoned debate becomes impossible.
  
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  August 12, 2019 9:06am
  - wreck1080
    
    Good point, unfortunately common sense just doesn’t work these days.
    
    We have various words for different types of despicable and immoral behaviour. But, ‘woke’ people started using these words against people who simply disagree with them.
    
    It is an insult to people who truly suffered.
    
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    August 12, 2019 9:43am
    - Jack5
      
      Albert Ross, no way have our Race Relations Commissioners provided an “authoritative determination” blocking anybody and everybody crying racist to anything they don’t like. The odd cry has become a torrent.
      
      What a mob our Race Relations Commissioners and Human Rights Commissioners have largely been: the international Marxist Joris de Bres, the sportswoman Dame Devoid, and now the Corbynist Paul Hunt.
      
      The new Race Relations Commissioner, Meng Foon, may be different, but I suspect he’s too able a person to be wasted in this role.
      
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      August 12, 2019 11:14am
      - stephieboy
        
        Jac5 , “the international Marxist Joris de Bres,..”
        
        Fantasies aside from the one who suggested Dunedin could become the Media/ Mecca of the South Pacific!
        
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        August 12, 2019 12:21pm
      - Jack5
        
        Stephie X: I replied to a similar post by Stephie Y a few days ago.
        
        You can read up on the Marxist background of Joris de Bres here:
        
        https://keywiki.org/Joris_de_Bres
        
        It’s bad enough having a team of Stephies using the Stephieboy pseudonym, but at least you could read each other’s drivel so that you don’t repeat the same inane posts. One bleating goat is enough.
        
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        August 12, 2019 1:28pm
      - Albert_Ross
        
        I don’t disagree about the performance of our Race Relations Commissioners. But that is not an argument that we don’t need the post. It’s an argument that the post should be more clearly defined and that the incumbents should do their job better.
        
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        August 12, 2019 5:15pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  I stand for the rule of law, Justice and common sense.
  The Crown originally took the land from the settlers who had purchased it with the goodwill of all. All land in the hands of Pakeha had become the property of the Crown and they had control and grants of title. Pakeha land was also seized!
  
  We must not conflate history with wishful thinking. What have been re-settled issues several times and gone through the Courts is best left alone. Rights cannot be enforced if activists wish to continually dispute everything. Other settlements have been properly made–are they to all be revisited to adjust the new relativities?
  
  “Racist” is most often misused. So much so the word is now largely meaningless except as a term of abuse.
  
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  August 12, 2019 9:28am
  - Ruahine
    
    Kev, you are quite right about Pakeha land being confiscated. I will tell you a story. My great great Grandfather who had come from Scotland along with his brother to work in the Waihi Goldfields were hired by a Chiefs brother to go and build a canal and a water wheel on the Waipa River at Whatawhata. There he met and married a Maori girl of tribal noble birth and was given 200 acres as a dowry. Along came General Cameron and all land was confiscated even though he had a deed signed by all concerned and witnessed by a clergyman. Land courts were setup later to deal with the chaos confiscations caused. He was given back half of the acreage only. The other half was deemed to belong to his Maori wife. Family records reveal she was not happy. Having learned to read and write English she spent much of here remaining days as an advocate for the return of land that was significant to her tribe (Hapu) and others.
    Opinion. The amount of confiscation in the Waikato was excessive.
    
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    August 12, 2019 10:58am
- The King
  
  [laughs in colonial oppression]
  
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  August 12, 2019 9:36am
- Raphael
  
  She also claims her book is an “Amazon # 1 best seller”. I checked, and she is selling a kindle book for $5, and it is ranked at position 209,149. Bending the truth, much?
  
  Amazon allows you to get really specific with the categories. If you do the tagging the right way, I am sure you will find some category that it’s #1 in, even it it’s more like a #2.
  
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  August 12, 2019 9:46am
- rouppe
  
  It would seem she considers herself an “influencer” …
  
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  August 12, 2019 11:25am
- Jules99
  
  I got about a third of the way through until I realised it wasn’t satire.
  
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  August 12, 2019 12:51pm
- MickMac
  
  I stand for the Iwi of the land to get their houses built……..
  
  Jacinda, undo the shit you’ve caused.
  Let them build houses for the people!
  
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  August 12, 2019 1:19pm
- Sacha
  
  “Even now, after seeking out as much of the truth of our history as I can I feel as if I know so little about our country, our people. ”
  Yeah. It’s hard all right. These days our history shifts shape, every now and then depending on who’s telling it.
  
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  August 12, 2019 2:57pm
secondcumming

Very Interesting.

Copy of letter sent by the Police to applicant for a *Firearms License*

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBnEZ41VUAEfDM1?format=jpg&name=small
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August 12, 2019 8:54am
- youcanthandlethetruth
  
  Given those reasons I’d be inclined to come to the same decision.
  
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  August 12, 2019 9:20am
  - The King
    
    Of course you would, i’d also assume you’re fine with a muslim teen who threatened to murder people by running them over getting his drivers license last week….
    
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    August 12, 2019 9:41am
  - hookerphil
    
    #3 You are alleged to hold anti-government views.
    
    Is that in time to come
    
    #3 You are not a fully paid up member of the Party.
    
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    August 12, 2019 9:47am
  - Tall Man
    
    Alleged…
    
    As I have said before, I think you pseudonym is misdirected.
    
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    August 12, 2019 9:57am
  - White Anglo Saxon Protestant
    
    Indeed, but is there any validity to them?
    
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    August 12, 2019 10:00am
- Gravelroad
  
  Bhahaha! “Alleged to hold anti Government views”?
  There goes at least half the population for a start.
  And what does “lapse” security arrangements mean?
  Surely our Police Force can do better than this drivel.
  It’s an illiterate spam letter, surely.
  
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  August 12, 2019 9:45am
- Durden
  
  “4. Concerns for lapse attitude around security requirements” — “lapse” attitude ? Hahaha !
  
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  August 12, 2019 9:52am
- rouppe
  
  The word “alleged” was used in three of the five reasons.
  
  Alleged by whom? One has the right to know their accuser.
  
  And what does “anti government views” mean. Some 45% of people didn’t vote for this government, so do they hold anti government views as well?
  
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  August 12, 2019 11:36am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    That’s the beauty of anonymous accusations.
    
    You don’t know who has made the allegations,
    You don’t know why they’ve made the allegations…
    You just know your life is going to shit.
    
    or that’s the theory, isn’t it?
    
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    August 12, 2019 7:18pm
- SGA
  
  So… the police have contacted his referees (I assume) and they have painted a picture of him as someone with anger management issues, was supportive of the Chch massacre, anti-government, etc. They have informed him of these allegations, declined him a Firearms License, but invite him to submit a defence against these allegations if he’d like their decision reviewed. Is that how it’s happened?
  
  If so, I’m not sure what else the police could do.
  
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  August 12, 2019 12:00pm
Durden

Epstein Barr in the news from USA. One dead and one impotently angry.

Isn’t that a horrible debilitating virus from the swamp ?
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August 12, 2019 9:01am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Now that is clever…
  but may go over the head of some swamp dwellers.
  (never kiss one).
  
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  August 12, 2019 9:09am
  - Durden
    
    And if you kiss one. Dont tell. Don’t even suggest or hint that you might.
    
    You might be found in a bare room hanging by your tongue from the door knob.
    
    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/08/here-it-is-complete-list-of-clinton-associates-who-allegedly-died-mysteriously-or-committed-suicide-before-testimony-including-jeffrey-epstein/
    
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    August 12, 2019 9:22am
    - stephieboy
      
      Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
      Durden , the lsit is uteer BS!
      
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      August 12, 2019 10:00am
      - stephieboy
        
        [Mod – duplicate post, deleted]
        
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        August 12, 2019 10:13am
      - pentwig
        
        steffie
        prove it!
        
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        August 12, 2019 10:54am
      - stephieboy
        
        Prove it?
        
        Begin here even for those who have a half or no brains at all,
        
        “The Clinton body count is an insane conspiracy theory originally perpetrated by Danny Casolaro (1947–1991) and later continued by others, which alleges that Bill and Hillary Clinton are responsible for the deaths of around 140 people.
        
        The conspiracy theory is based on finding various vaguely suspicious but unconnected deaths, and then bullshitting a great deal to make it seem like the Clintons were somehow responsible. Generally the Clintons are portrayed as leaders of a deep state group, or as pawns of the military-industrial complex. Any holes in the theory are explained away as a “coverup”.
        Needless to say, the entire idea is the fabrications of deranged lunatics, and has been thoroughly debunked….”
        
        https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Clinton_body_count
        
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        August 12, 2019 12:07pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        ‘Begin here even for those who have a half or no brains at all,’
        Like you did…
        People say Rational Wiki is for morons. Looks like it is.
        
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        August 12, 2019 1:10pm
      - Jack5
        
        Stephie X’s 10am post: “…the lsit is uteer BS…”
        
        This is what happens to typing after a night on khat! ?
        
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        August 12, 2019 1:48pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Eric Weinstein, is a genius, polymath and fund manager for Peter Thiel, says that 15-20 years back after meeting Epstein he had impression that he wasn’t an actual trader and knew no-one (after asking around) that had traded with him, which set his alarm bells ringing and made him very ‘scary’. His feeling is that he was a ‘construct’/actor rich off something else – most likely blackmail, possibly created by intelligence community as a honeypot machine.
  
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  August 12, 2019 9:39am
  - kowtow
    
    Is that where all our taxes , ‘donated ‘ by gubmint to the Clinton foundation went ?
    
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    August 12, 2019 12:50pm
Cobolt24

Fonterra predicts loss of $590-675m for year
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https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/114924422/fonterra-predicts-loss-of-590675m-for-year
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August 12, 2019 9:10am
- wreck1080
  
  They need more managers to fix this.
  
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  August 12, 2019 9:44am
  - marcw
    
    Wreck, please include the /sarc … the intellectual and management giants at Fonterra may mistake your comment as an encouragement that they are on the right path.
    
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    August 12, 2019 10:42am
    - Paulus
      
      Fonterra is not my Company !
      
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      August 12, 2019 1:47pm
  - kowtow
    
    Yes , pay them even more , they’re clearly worth it !
    
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    August 12, 2019 10:52am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  The destruction of shareholder wealth by the directors of Fletcher Building and Fonterra has been reprehensible. Cow cockies are the sort of people who will accept a lesser price for their product if it means that they do not have to deal with directors whose truthfulness they doubt a bit. Fonterra’s directors make Winston Peters look honest. This latest profit downgrade will be the final straw for many farmers.
  This is a serious matter for our country when the biggest company, based on total turnover, is run by a rag tail bunch of dongbeaters, dingbats and dickheads.
  
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  August 12, 2019 4:37pm
Right of way is Way of Right

So now the coalition of chaos want prisoners to have the right to vote again.

I always thought that rights came with responsibilities. If you want the rights that come from living in a society, then there must be an obligatory responsibility to abide by the law’s of that society as well. If you choose to ignore your obligations, societies response should account for that as well.

Of course, people who understand that rights come with responsibility tend to be a little less left wing in outlook.
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August 12, 2019 9:16am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  We should be asking whether it’s a good idea to let them vote after leaving prison.
  
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  August 12, 2019 9:39am
Maggie Pie

The Donald never misses a beat – POTUS re-tweets 🙂

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBpGEZ3U0AAQNQ8?format=jpg&name=large
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August 12, 2019 9:17am
- stephieboy
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Maggie Pie, yeah right. Like this,
  
  DPRK News Service
  
  Supreme Leader Kim Jong-Un sends condolences to US President Donald Trump for recent death of close friend, Jeffrey Epstein.”
  
  LOL!
  
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  August 12, 2019 10:04am
  - David George
    
    So Kim reads the Guardian as well Septic.
    
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    August 12, 2019 10:30am
    - All_on_Red
      
      DPRK is a parody account. A bit of a joke. A lot like Stephie actually.
      
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      August 12, 2019 10:47am
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Red, nevertheless we can take it you believe Donald Trump’s tweets in respect to his old pal?
        
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        August 12, 2019 12:10pm
  - Rich Prick
    
    Why do you … was going to ask bother … now ask, exist?
    
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    August 12, 2019 11:05am
cas

I just read on Newsroom that the Governor of the Reserve Bank is talking about taxing cash deposits like bank deposits so we all diversify and go off and spend. I’d like to see that be introduced. Oldies like myself are not going to suddenly start taking on risky investments when if they go wrong we have not enough time to recover.
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August 12, 2019 9:21am
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  Taxing bank deposits? But that money doesn’t just magically appear, it has to be earned, and you are taxed when you earn your money, not on when you store it!
  
  Mind you, this is a Labour government, where getting something because you earned it is a foreign concept.
  
  They didn’t even earn the right to form a government, that was handed to them as well!
  
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  August 12, 2019 10:13am
- peterwn
  
  He is saying that people who hold significant cash (as bank notes) should pay a tax on this holding to put them on the same level as those who are taxed on their cash investments (term deposits etc). I can imagine IRD going around locksmiths and looking on Trademe to find who are buying bank quality safes. There would be an upsurge of crime as crims go after those hoarding cash.
  
  Seems to me that thrifty people are regarded as ripe for plucking. Direct taxes would cause a political backlash, so they go after sneaky methods of taxing savings.
  
  There is much to be said for ‘bricks and mortar’ investment even though this is under attack too. While some landlords are selling up in response to Government anti-landlord policies, the more intrepid ones are hanging in tight. In old East Germany, some people held tightly on to their rental properties despite rent controls, pro-tenant rules etc.They presumably benefited from reunification.
  
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  August 12, 2019 10:37am
- Jules99
  
  Is this another form of negative interest rates? I hear it’s coming to a bank near you soon. Good time to get into crypto.
  
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  August 12, 2019 12:54pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  The RBNZ is not the taxing authority. They are in a bit of a bind going with negative or nearly interest rates.
  
  A weird notion of imputing taxable income on cash held so bypassing negative interest.
  
  Common sense and basic economic principles are now suspended.
  
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  August 12, 2019 1:01pm
TripeWryter

She could do with an editor or proofreader – “each night I went to bed to the sound of waves crashing on the beach below our house and the mountains behind.”
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August 12, 2019 9:22am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  I’m not even sure a proofreader can fix that. When you’re in bed what difference does it make where the mountains are? Unless they are making a sound in which case you should probably evacuate.
  
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  August 12, 2019 9:42am
  - Straight arrow
    
    I think the literal interpretation is that the waves were crashing on the beach AND the waves were crashing on the mountains behind. Needed a comma after house.
    
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    August 12, 2019 1:29pm
- slightlyrighty
  
  Ae you sure she is not scaremongering about sea level rises due to Global Warming?
  
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  August 12, 2019 11:21am
Maggie Pie

“You heard what happened to my sister-in-law didn’t you?”

https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/andrew-epstein-1562703860.jpg
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August 12, 2019 9:40am
- stephieboy
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Maggie Pie, guilt by association?
  
  Like this one. Donal Trump withhis pal Epstein,
  
  https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49312746
  
  LOL!
  
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  August 12, 2019 10:04am
Straight arrow

Satire.
The Coalition today announced plans to formally repeal the Crimes Act. A spokesperson noted that rather than decriminalise sections piecemeal (abortion, drugs, and trespass for example), it was far more efficient to repeal the whole Act. “We will be replacing the Act with a modern piece of legislation called ‘Rārangi kino’ [naughty list] that deals with so-called crimes in an age-neutral way”.

Courts’ roles will also be reduced, dealing only with imposing sentences for those accused of “hate crimes” and those using plastic. “We see this as an effective way to reduce prison populations, and thereby we won’t need to implement the Waitangi Tribunals recommendation that prisoners have voting rights” continued the spokesperson.

Naughtiness (or officially “mischievous behaviour”) will be resolved by attending a working group, or mediation between groups and individuals who have nothing to do with the victim. “We are trialing this approach at Ihumatao, and will roll out to rest of Aotearoa in the near future” said the Prime Minister. Depending on the tantrum level of the naughty person, the “victim” may be required to provide compensation. She added “I have listened to how our young tamariki want to be treated, and what’s good enough for them should be how we treat all people”. Serious naughtiness may result in dessert being withheld, although the Greens are taking this to the United Nations: a Green Party spokesperson said that dairy-based desserts should be permanently banned anyway.
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August 12, 2019 9:41am
- sooty
  
  Give it a couple of years and it will be true!
  
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  August 12, 2019 11:11am
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  Now, this may be satire, but don’t go giving them ideas!
  
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  August 12, 2019 11:35am
- Tall Man
  
  Expect a call from “angry andy” shortly.
  
  Self catering will not be required and any reference to New Plymouth will be dealt with by a week at labour sex camp… on the receiving not giving end.
  
  psycho may well be there but I will neither confirm nor deny as he is evaluating his ability to perform.
  
  (come on mods.. live a little 😉 )
  
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  August 12, 2019 6:51pm
Happychappy

I will probably end up with a few down tick over this but if this had maybe been a ordinary hard work young person he would have been convicted.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12257675 They turned around to stop him before he entered his property.
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August 12, 2019 9:45am
- Tall Man
  
  No, I agree. Small town big-noter who probably knew the judge.
  
  This is someone who will continue to drive impaired as he now thinks he has a “right”.
  
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  August 12, 2019 9:55am
- Chris2
  
  The point of the case is that the man had just arrived on his own property at the time Police decided to stop him so he was within his rights to refuse to be breath tested. He was never pursued by the Police. If he had lived a few doors further down and had yet to reach his home it would have been a different outcome.
  
  We give the Police a lot of power, but they can not overstep that. We all want drunk drivers off the road but this is not the way to go about it.
  
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  August 12, 2019 10:04am
  - Tall Man
    
    Much easier to apprehend “after” the crash as well as they can’t do a runner so easily eh?
    
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    August 12, 2019 10:37am
  - Happychappy
    
    Why had they turned around and put there siren on, you either want reduce the road toll or you don’t, innocent people get killed by drunk drivers and this guy should have known better. Especially by taking the babysitter home while under the influence of alcohol.
    
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    August 12, 2019 11:21am
  - kowtow
    
    chris2
    
    This article is very worrying.
    RNZ and ODT have run it , but don’t give it the Trump treatment , ie they should obsess about our rights and not get so damn taken up with frippery.
    
    “Ms Taylor-Cyphers said the matters often needed to be referred to an appellant court before justice was served.
    
    “The police usually on the stand, when I’m cross-examining them, will concede that in fact the breath test did take place in the lounge and that their evidence on paper is wrong. But in my experience that is not sufficient for the judge to find not guilty.” ‘
    
    https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/police-breath-testing-inside-peoples-homes-dunedin-lawyer-says
    
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    August 12, 2019 11:21am
- peterwn
  
  I think that the judges are forgetting a ruling made by Justice Woodhouse senior (the ACC architect and now deceased). A passenger grabbed hold of the steering wheel and caused an accident. The Police charged the passenger with reckless driving and this was heard by the High Court (it might have been appeal against a District Court decision). The passenger’s lawyer argued that she was not driving the car since this had to be shown to a high criminal standard. Woodhouse J however said that a lower standard was warranted in the interests of road safety and ruled she was ‘driving’ the car.
  Police prosecutors could well try this precedent for such drink drive cases and remind the Bench that road safety is at stake and that it is not a game of tiddliwinks.
  
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  August 12, 2019 10:11am
Maggie Pie

I no from personel experience that sometime it’s not easy being blonde. But honestly, ‘The Swedish Crime Authotity’ need to wake up to themselves 🙁
A twitter bestie tweets and the comments say it all:

https://twitter.com/V-of-Europe/status/1160491432488177664
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August 12, 2019 10:04am
- Tall Man
  
  These are they that ardern wants to bring here..
  
  Labour are already “soft” on sexual abuse if it emanates from within their ranks or among their high level supporters. Is it ardern istic or epstein ish?
  
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  August 12, 2019 10:35am
  - Jack5
    
    Life isn’t all hunky-dory in Scandinavia after it opened its doors to the Third Worlders.
    
    There’s been a shooting at a mosque in Oslo:
    
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49311482
    
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    August 12, 2019 10:47am
    - stephieboy
      
      Jack5, so you can assure us the shooter was a Muslim and not another Brenton Tarrance?
      
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      August 12, 2019 11:57am
      - JibberJabber
        
        You`re not Welsh are you ~~Stiffy~~ Stephie?https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2019/08/injection-erection-welsh-man-faces-penis-amputation-after-two-week-priapism.html
        
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        August 12, 2019 1:06pm
      - Jack5
        
        The shooter at the Oslo mosque a Muslim? Where did you get that idea?
        
        Lay off the khat while posting, Stephie X.
        
        Who is this “Tarrance” of whom ye speak, Stephie? Do you mean the killer whose name must not cross Jacinderella’s lips – Brenton Harrison Tarrant?
        
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        August 12, 2019 1:41pm
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        Relax Jack5, stephie is just having another involuntary meltdown. He cant help it so give him some space.
        
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        August 12, 2019 8:10pm
JibberJabber

Here`s a question in the census we can skip next time round,
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/08/which-religious-groups-do-kiwis-trust-the-most-and-least.html
The info the govt collects on you can be used against you.
Do not tick the wrong box.
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August 12, 2019 10:09am
Hugh Pavletich

Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/08/links-12-august-2019/#comment-3408734

Does RBNZ’s Governor Adrian Orr really know what he’s doing ? …

Why Reserve Bank Governor Adrian Orr prefers negative interest rates to QE | Stuff.co.nz

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/114923477/why-reserve-bank-governor-adrian-orr-prefers-negative-interest-rates-to-qe

( listen in particular to Orr’s recent comments at top )

The Reserve Bank is more actively thinking about what it should do if the official cash rate gets to zero per cent, including looking at options such as charging banks negative interest rates on their deposits with the central bank, buying bonds or other assets, and even creating and granting cash to every taxpayer or resident in a process known as “helicopter money”. … read more via hyperlink above …
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Fonterra says it is set to lose between $590 mln and $675 mln in the just-completed financial year after writing down the value of more of its assets … David Hargreaves … Interest Co NZ

https://www.interest.co.nz/rural-news/101155/fonterra-says-it-set-lose-between-590-mln-and-675-mln-just-completed-financial
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August 12, 2019 10:13am
- Jack5
  
  It looks like Orr is out of his depth, Hugh.
  
  Keep your eye on the Croaking Cassandra blog.
  
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  August 12, 2019 10:57am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    Current interest rates really are unusual | Michael Reddell ) croaking cassandra
    
    https://croakingcassandra.com/2019/08/12/current-interest-rates-really-are-unusual/
    
    Roger J Kerr says the Reserve Bank is consistently surprising the markets with statements at odds to prior expectations – but the Kiwi dollar keeps bouncing back after the shocks … Interest Co NZ
    
    https://www.interest.co.nz/currencies/101153/roger-j-kerr-says-reserve-bank-consistently-surprising-markets-statements-odds
    
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    August 12, 2019 12:00pm
  - kowtow
    
    Orr is a nutter who lives in Lala land.
    
    “Orr has been mulling over the place of New Zealand’s central bank in the country’s financial ecosystem for some time and wants to tell its story in a more holistic way. He sees the bank as Tāne-mahuta, the tall, strong tree that separates Rangi-nui and Papa-tū-ā-nuku, with strong roots of its balance sheet and legislation giving it operational independence and with the money that it creates represented in the pure sap that flows through the tree. The big branches are the banks that it supports with its sap.”
    
    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU1807/S00188/governor-orr-draws-on-tane-mahuta-to-tell-rbnzs-new-story.htm
    
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    August 12, 2019 1:41pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Is he aware that Tane Mahuta is on its last legs (metaphorically speaking)?
      
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      August 12, 2019 2:22pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        … Unnecessary, unethical and dangerous mortgage slavery …
        
        Home buyers’ debts ‘high’, but below Reserve Bank’s trigger point | Tom Pullar – Strecker | Stuff.co.nz
        
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/114937041/nearly-half-of-auckland-firsthome-buyers-in-debt-to-fives-times-their-income
        
        A third of first-home buyers taking out mortgages in June had borrowings that exceeded five times their pre-tax annual income – the level at which the Reserve Bank can start to feel uncomfortable.
        
        In Auckland, the figure was almost one in two. …
        
        … concluding …
        
        … The information underpinning DTI ratios is provided by the banks, but Fiennes declined to say whether there was much variance between the banks in terms of the debt ratios they were allowing.
        
        In June, the average pre-tax income of first-home buyers was $116,000 and they typically had borrowings of “four to five times” that, it found.
        
        Total mortgage debt stood at $256 billion, with owner-occupiers accounting for 73 per cent of that.
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        … On an unweighted basis across the metros surveyed, New Zealand housing is the most unaffordable within the Anglosphere (with just Hong Kong higher) at 6.5 times gross annual household earnings ( median multiple ) …
        
        2019 15th Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey
        
        http://www.demographia.com/dhi.pdf
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        … In 2007 the Irish metros overall were 4.7 times that adjusted to 2.8 a few years later, putting all its Banks to the wall and requiring around 70 billion euros of bailouts from European financial institutions. Subsequent research by the Central Bank of Ireland found high multiple lending a greater problem than high loan to value lending ( background research accessible via link below ) and imposed a general lending cap of 3.5 times gross annual household incomes …
        
        Mortgage Measures – Central Bank of Ireland
        
        https://www.centralbank.ie/financial-system/financial-stability/macro-prudential-policy/mortgage-measures
        
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        August 12, 2019 6:12pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Crazy is as crazy does.
  Negative interest rates are economic baloney.
  
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  August 12, 2019 12:54pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Nope. At certain times both Switzerland and Japan “charged” a “fee” to retain your money in the bank.
    
    https://tradingeconomics.com/switzerland/interest-rate
    
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    August 12, 2019 6:12pm
  - Ross12
    
    Try this for size Kevin
    
    Well for Denmark, the future is now, because three years later and with over $15 trillion in negative-yielding debt around the world, Denmark’s third largest bank is now offering borrowers mortgages at a negative interest rate, effectively paying its customers to borrow money for a house purchase.
    
    “Jyske Bank said this week that customers would now be able to take out a 10-year fixed-rate mortgage with an interest rate of -0.5%, meaning customers will pay back less than the amount they borrowed, or precisely what we said would happen in our 2016 preview of the dystopian future. “
    
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    August 12, 2019 8:28pm
Jack5

The electric car move is happening slower than expected, if the price of cobalt is a good guide.

Cobalt is important in rechargeable batteries. About 50 per cent of the ore mine goes into these products.

Driven by the smart phone boom and gambling on a take-off in electric vehciles, from 2016 until 2018, the cobalt price soared from from about $US26,000 a tonne to more than $US90,000.

The price has now fallen to just over $US20,000. And the Mutanda cobalt mine, the world’s biggest, in the Democratic Republic of Congo, has been shut as being “no longer economically viable”.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-49265455
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August 12, 2019 10:42am
- kowtow
  
  That money could be gone in a flash tho.
  
  https://www.thedrive.com/news/28420/parked-teslas-keep-catching-on-fire-randomly-and-theres-no-recall-in-sight
  
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  August 12, 2019 11:08am
  - stephieboy
    
    There have been at least 14 instances of Tesla cars catching fire since 2013, with the majority occurring after a crash. The automaker has said its EVs are about 10 times less likely to experience a fire than petrol-powered cars, based on its fleet of more than 500,000 vehicles which have driven more than 10bn miles.Apr 22, 2019
    Tesla investigates video of Model S car exploding | Technology …
    https://www.theguardian.com/…/apr/…/tesla-investigates-video-of-model-s-car-explod
    
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    August 12, 2019 1:11pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Lithium battery NCM chemistries are being modified to use less and less cobalt. Current Teslas use about 30% of what last generation VAG does, and they are moving to zero cobalt in their next generation. Market is pricing in this expected drop in demand.
  
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  August 12, 2019 1:13pm
JibberJabber

Today in the UK,
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/gwent-police-hair-jermaine-taylor-mocked-facebook-a9052291.html

Some one tell Boris he doesn`t need 22,000 more cops, just get the ones he already has, to get off Facebook.
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August 12, 2019 10:42am
- DigNap15
  
  Just as here in NZ
  Its probably not more police needed.
  Its just the judges need to do their job.
  Lock the crims up for longer, and the cops would have less to do.
  Deport all those useless black teenagers, and knife crime would dissapear.
  
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  August 12, 2019 1:06pm
  - fernglas
    
    Where would they deport them to? Most of them are UK born as far as I have heard.
    
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    August 12, 2019 8:18pm
Maggie Pie

Just been listening to Hone Harawira talking with Peter Williams on Magic about the situation at Ihumatao. Interesting to hear that Wally Omaha is taking instructions from Hone on how to handle the situation there 🙁
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August 12, 2019 10:47am
- kowtow
  
  Also interesting that the Deputy Commissioner or whatever Wally is seems to agree that policing should be race based .
  
  And here was silly me thinking they were oath bound to enforce the law without fear or favour …….
  
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  August 12, 2019 11:06am
- sooty
  
  Yep, Hone is the man!
  
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  August 12, 2019 11:07am
Fletch

Did anyone else hear of Biden’s blunder of a few days ago reported by the media?

Former Vice President Joe Biden claimed that “poor kids are just as bright and just as talented as white kids,” while addressing the Asian and Latino Coalition in Des Moines, Iowa, on Thursday.

If Trump had said that, it would have been splashed over every paper in the world and reported on TV news everywhere and Trump proclaimed as racist. But when Biden does it, it’s just Old Joe misspoke…
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August 12, 2019 10:54am
wreck1080

This herald story is crazy….

‘Dream tenants’ rejected for hundreds of rentals
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12252930
A working family described as “dream tenants” say they have had 532 rental applications rejected in 19 months.
“The Tauranga family of two adults and four children has been trapped in transitional housing all that time, but say their family size and $50,000 in debt mean they have no chance in the private rental market.

Yep, dream tenant with 50k in debt and lots of kids.

I wonder what the heralds definition of a bad tenant would be?
I’m assuming their credit rating is awful, which is how the 50k debt is known by landlords… they wouldn’t give that little factoid up voluntarily.
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August 12, 2019 10:55am
- DigNap15
  
  Yes I saw that on the Bay Times.
  Sadly fro them its going to be hard.
  Who really wants 4 kids running around their house.
  Have they any references?
  
  May be their tribe or hapu could help them with some subsidised housing.
  
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  August 12, 2019 1:03pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Not at ihumatao…………
    
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    August 12, 2019 2:22pm
TWEEDSE

Pretty predictable Tv1 news last night with Labour wheeling out the Part Time Princess to plant a tree with a bunch of preschoolers. That’s is all she is good for and labour know it.
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August 12, 2019 11:48am
Maggie Pie

I remember years ago when we first got Sky TV there was a local program on called “Talkin’ Shit”.
If they ever considered a new series, Golriz would make an ideal presenter 🙂

https://twitter.com/golrizghahraman/status/1160658949068095488
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August 12, 2019 12:00pm
- MickMac
  
  David Seymour was correct when he said she was dangerous to NZ.
  
  I just loved Stephen Franks smackdown about changing her CV live on TV.
  It was a treat to see her face….
  
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  August 12, 2019 1:29pm
JibberJabber

When Darwin shoots…sometimes he scores, sometimes he misses…
https://twitter.com/AklTransport/status/1160679788295704578
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August 12, 2019 12:48pm
Surely Knott

From Newshub, re Ihaumato police – “Harawira justified his comments made last week, in which he said “get those white f**kers off that front line””
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August 12, 2019 1:26pm
plc

Interestingly Stuff has an Auckland Millennial Issues Reporter…..

Be great if they had some Political Reporters
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August 12, 2019 1:42pm
- Straight arrow
  
  or just any reporters…
  
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  August 12, 2019 3:45pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Or an adult!
    
    We need a roll of honour, who’s been banned by stuff…. I think I win as I’ve been banned twice.
    
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    August 12, 2019 6:24pm
secondcumming

WARNING – GRAPHIC CONTENT FROM WELLINGTON

What about this piece of shit?
Explain to me again why the *death penalty* wouldn’t be appropriate?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12257685
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August 12, 2019 2:01pm
- Poppa
  
  Yeah for sure. I do know one of the cops who attended this case & they said it was horrific
  
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  August 12, 2019 2:54pm
  - secondcumming
    
    And Labor want to give cunts like this the vote?!
    
    [Pity the poor cops who have to deal with scum like this then go home to their own families and act like every things normal.]
    
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    August 12, 2019 4:26pm
Captain Mainwaring

153 Housing NZ houses on one site. What could possibly go wrong?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/114927838/housing-new-zealand-is-finally-building-on-vacant-land-in-lower-hutt

And this site was previously proposed as one of Twitford’s Kiwibuild sites, but we all know what happened to that.
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August 12, 2019 4:41pm
Maggie Pie

My partner wonders why every time he hears Barry Soper on the wireless he’s always shilling for Huawei?
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August 12, 2019 4:58pm
Straight arrow

Here is something I didn’t know. According to the Hutt City Council’s Community Development Good Practice Guidelines (in 2010, and cited by other organisations since):

“The Treaty is primarily a document ensuring social justice for all New Zealanders and as community work is also concerned with social justice, recognising and actively promoting the principles of the Treaty is an important part of being an effective community organisation.”

furthermore…
“The First Article gives the Crown the right to make laws and to govern in accordance with its constitutional process on the condition that
appropriate priority is given to the interests of Maori as set out in the Article.

“The Treaty establishes New Zealand
as a bicultural country and values cultural differences while encouraging the development of a common purpose and co-operation.”

Good to know.
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August 12, 2019 5:31pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Closed and Opaque Labour

Labour finally realises that it can’t keep its abuse culture “in house”.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/396521/labour-floats-independent-body-for-complaints
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August 12, 2019 6:14pm
- Swifty
  
  Will those who wish to see the Labour Party fully publicly-funded require the NZ taxpayer to fork out for the costs of this as well?
  
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  August 12, 2019 6:40pm
- niggly
  
  Why is Labour always so corrupt? This matter should be handled by the Police, not Labour and certainly not an “independent” Labour process, this is just getting absurd.
  
  Jacinda is a part of this according to the article so there goes her reputation …
  
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  August 12, 2019 7:53pm
Maggy Wassilieff

So the Labour Party Governing Executive met over the weekend to discuss the formal complaints of sexual harassment made against one of its members working in Parliament.

Looks like they are in damage control.
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August 12, 2019 6:30pm
Rob2

Came across this.

https://www.facebook.com/taurangacitycouncilX/videos/1347659192047933/
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August 12, 2019 8:30pm
Hugh Pavletich

… CHINA …

‘Brutal consequences’: Ansell warns China over exodus of manufacturers … Darren Gray … Sydney Morning Herald

https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/brutal-consequences-ansell-warns-china-over-exodus-of-manufacturers-20190812-p52gat.html

Ansell chief executive Magnus Nicolin has warned China of “brutal” consequences as manufacturers leave the country over rising costs and fears at the escalation in trade war with Donald Trump.

“So many manufacturers are moving out of China at breakneck speed. You don’t see it in the China-reported GDP growth numbers yet. I suspect that sooner or later it will be visible,” Mr Nicolin said. … read more via hyperlink above …

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Ansell: “Brutal consequences” as manufacturing flees China … MacroBusiness Australia

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/08/ansell-brutal-consequences-manufacturing-flees-china/
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… How vulnerable is China’s property market to the above trends ? …

… Earlier ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) report …

China’s empty homes may prove a bigger threat than Donald Trump’s tariffs … Michael Janda … ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-14/china-vacant-property-empty-homes-donald-trump-tariffs/11082900

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… Build it and they will come. That is the philosophy underpinning modern China’s urban fields of dreams. …

In some senses they have, and do, come. But they are not residents or businesses in many of China’s gleaming new towers. They are investors — speculators betting that property values only go up as China’s population moves indefinitely in just one direction, from country to city. …

… To give you a better sense of the scale of China’s overbuilding, assuming a reasonably generous average of 80sqm of floorspace per new dwelling, that is 80 million units that are currently sitting empty. … read more via hyperlink above …

Chinese property is extremely unaffordable

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-14/chinese-property-is-extremely-unaffordable/11113024
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