General Debate 10 August 2019

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igm

Why are we allowing an increase in the numbers of Islam followers?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/114834712/meth-abuse-and-housing-crisis-plagues-feilding-as-urgent-help-sought
They are not wanted, needed, nor affordable.
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August 10, 2019 8:04am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  What is your problem here? Jacindar is working on a great plan to solve all this. Give her just 10 more years.
  
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  August 10, 2019 9:52am
  - pdm
    
    Give her 10 more years and Venezuela will look like a success story.
    
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    August 10, 2019 11:20am
Shut the hell up you Fascist!

The Hajj or annual great pilgrimage to Mecca has commenced.

Here is a fascination short documentary by about the Hajj by one of the founders of VICE documentaries and news: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7q_LcqbvKI

There is a contingent from Christchurch who have been sponsored by the King of Saudi Arabia.

May Allah accept their hajj!
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August 10, 2019 8:05am
- Tall Man
  
  And may the Saudis keep them.
  
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  August 10, 2019 9:53am
Happychappy

It hasn’t taken long for the wowsers to come out demanding change with this message to the Government, ” Well-Being must include Alcohol Reform” advocacy group says.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/health/114893636/wellbeing-must-include-alcohol-reform–advocacy-group
I don’t drink anymore but these people are not happy unless they are interfering in other people’s lives.
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August 10, 2019 8:10am
- Tall Man
  
  Thankyou for not drinking…… It leaves a little more for me 😉
  
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  August 10, 2019 9:54am
- slightlyrighty
  
  I enjoy a beer, a wine with a meal and the occasional Whiskey. I also acknowledge that in the wider community there are those who abuse alcohol to a massive extent.
  
  My issue with financial sanctions on Alcohol is that those who abuse it will continue to do so without thought of the downstream consequences. If a baby can die with a Blood Alcohol level 6 times the legal limit because the Breast feeding mum downs a whole box of RTDs, then why would a price rise make a difference if the life of their children is secondary to getting wasted.
  
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  August 10, 2019 10:55am
  - cmm
    
    Sorry mate, I cannot believe the story that the baby got to 6 x the legal limit via breast milk and an RTD’d mother. Just not possible.
    
    RTDs administered directly to the baby without flowing through the mother – possible.
    
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    August 10, 2019 1:48pm
    - fernglas
      
      The pathologist found no alcohol in the stomach contents, and could not explain how that could be if the baby had ingested the booze from the milk, or presumably straight from the bottle. Furthermore, if the baby had that level of alcohol, the mother must have had way more. In the absence of evidence of a blood transfusion, it is hard to see an explanation.
      
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      August 10, 2019 7:49pm
Rich Prick

North Africa is a great big Islamic fucking shithole. Be grateful for what we have in New Zealand. Let’s not import any of this madness.

Wankers from the left at home, at least they don’t carry machetes. But we should demand they walk a mile in these crap holes before they require us to take these people.

And also, ask the question, how could you be a “refugee” from a country I could come and go from with ease. Modern “refugees” are utter bullshit. They’re welfare shoppers.
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August 10, 2019 8:12am
- igm
  
  But they do support Labour/Greens . . . and they are preparing to increase the quota. Fortunately not one of my colleagues will house, employ, or tolerate them!
  
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  August 10, 2019 8:17am
  - Rich Prick
    
    No idea about that, but the #metoo girls could do with a visit. If they think Russell McVeagh is bad, they should try Morocco. Fuck me, women are treated like shit.
    
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    August 10, 2019 10:10am
    - Oskar
      
      But if the #metoo girls go to Morocco they had better be careful what they wear
      https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7342191/Three-young-Belgian-women-flee-Morocco-threatened-BEHEADING-wearing-shorts.html
      
      And we want people from there to come here???
      
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      August 10, 2019 10:44am
      - The Proper Ghandi
        
        Oskar
        When Western liberals and Feminists have never had to live without their hard-won (by others) freedoms, it is very very easy to take them for granted and even consciously throw them away.
        
        When these fools wake up one day in the not-too-distant future and the incoming oppressive Islamists have inevitably acquired some real political clout, they will wish they had left well enough alone. Of course, it will be too late by then.
        
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        August 10, 2019 12:31pm
      - Rich Prick
        
        The Spanish learned that lesson 1,300 years ago. A visit to the Alhambra Palace will teach you all you need to know. Modern Spaniards know muslims belong “over there” in their barren sand pits and the Spanish get all of the olives. Just as it should be.
        
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        August 11, 2019 3:55am
peterwn

Oh well, so Matt Blomfield has taken control of the Whaleoil site and redirected it to his own site. Presumably he will now be dealing with Spanish Bride over the subscription database, the Disqus account (if he succeeds in that my ‘banning’ will become meaningless) and old stories that were transferred across.
Go for it Matt!
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August 10, 2019 8:23am
- Pete George
  
  The original site now links to https://www.blomfield.co.nz/ which has an addon chapter to the whale Oil book.
  
  Felix Geiringer @BarristerNZ:
  
  I understand that changes are afoot. For now, (link: http://whaleoil.co.nz) whaleoil.co.nz is redirecting to Blomfield’s own site with a free copy of a new additional chapter to Margie Thomson’s book, Whale Oil.
  
  The whaleoil dot net bot nz URL is still in the hands of the old owners, but Matt hopes that will change in the next few days. He is also investigating what options he has for theBDF dot co dot nz.
  
  That could drag others (site registrants) into the legal mire.
  
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  August 10, 2019 9:17am
- Pete George
  
  [Mod – duplicate comment, deleted. PG will be glad we can’t transfer the 15 downticks to his other comment!]
  
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  August 10, 2019 9:19am
  - peterwn
    
    Cam was taken ill at the time of Matt’s defamation trial against Cam. After the first day Cam commented on the trial including an attack on Matt’s lawyer Felix (Felix is also one of Nicky Hager’s lawyers). Most of that was deleted very quickly no doubt on orders of the Judge (judges have a duty to support officers of the High Court which barristers and solicitors are) and Cam has not been heard from since. One does not upset judges.
    
    Felix would now be re-sharpening his knife to continue the thousand cuts on behalf of Matt. Spanish Bride will be at the sharp end of things. Could be popcorn time next week.
    
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    August 10, 2019 9:46am
    - Pete George
      
      Someone has been circulating here trying to upset the liquidator (a past associate of Slater who may or may not be working with him now). That seems fairly stupid.
      
      From the redirected whaleoil.co.nz website:
      
      Juana Atkins did not reply to the liquidator; neither did she comply with demands to relinquish control of the assets. On August 5, the liquidator who, remember, is an officer of the Court, wrote to the police for assistance, citing six sections of the Crimes Act she believed Atkins may have breached. The police replied briefly, telling Toon she should take her complaint to the front desk of her nearest police station.
      
      He’s aided and abetted the downfall of Slater already.
      
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      August 10, 2019 10:00am
      - record guy
        
        If the liquidator has followed the correct process then no problem
        
        No creditors have been spoken to so there is an issue
        
        How was value obtained ?
        
        If more than one potential purchaser then where is the information confirming all this
        
        Brian Henry is by far the biggest creditor
        
        Colin Craig has no award due to him
        
        Blomfield’s number of $2.5m is just that .. a number. Yet to be determined.
        
        There is no escaping the fact Ms Toon should have not taken the liquidation given the stories about her husband – that’s a conflict for sure
        
        Geiringer saying the site is not yet in Blomfield’s hands yet the Herald seems to think it is
        
        The Standard seems to think the OA conducted the sale
        
        Well which is it ???
        
        There is a process to follow – and I doubt that’s been done
        
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        August 10, 2019 10:20am
      - peterwn
        
        Seems the Police are taking it seriously. Hence they need to be assured the author of the letter is indeed Ms Toon hence the Police request for her to front up at a police station which seems fair enough.
        If there is the possibility of Crimes Act charges in the air, then Spanish Bride and associates would have no option to shut down theBFD. It would be doubtful they would have the psychological or financial capability to fight charges.
        Matt is probably supplying the liquidator with bullets to fire and perhaps some financial help (he may have paid the liquidator over the top for the site).
        
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        August 10, 2019 10:35am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Iirc, the only time a Liquidator is an Officer of the Court is if the Court has appointed the Liquidator-usually the Official Assignee.
        Mainly Liquidators are appointed by Creditors. Anybody can be a Liquidator. They just have to comply with all the requirements of the Companies Office for Liquidating a Company. Those Liquidators are not Officers of the Court.
        As I’ve mentioned before, The Whaleoil website doesn’t ‘own’ the subscribers. They have free will to stop going there and to go somewhere else.
        Of course with no visitors then the site is worth nothing.
        As for the List of Subscribers, the Terms of Service might allow the names to be sold- which is common.
        As long as that money is paid into the Company account then that’s fine.
        Same with Discus. Individuals have their own Discus account. All web sites have to do is Register with Discus which then allows individual to use their account to log in.
        
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        August 10, 2019 11:02am
      - peterwn
        
        ‘All on Red’ – your comment was nested too deeply to be replied to, so I am doing it here.
        Does not matter whether liquidator is an ‘officer of the court’ – the court must anyway help a liquidator with legitimate demands.
        It would seem that Matt is calling the shots here. As long as he does not try to gain preference over other creditors that is fine. It would be fair to say that Matt’s objective is utu, not cash.
        Whaleoil site does not own the subscribers but it does own the list which is valuable commercial property. The liquidator is of the opinion that Spanish Bride or associates improperly took the list (and the Disqus account). Matt has purchased it warts and all (presumably other creditors were comfortable with this) but the ability to mount legal action would have transferred with the asset he purchased. There are various legal remedies available and Felix is no doubt considering the best way forward. Part of the deal is that the liquidator is to help Matt get value for the purchase hence Ms Toon’s continuing involvement.
        Any ‘terms of service’ do not bind the liquidator, just as a liquidator can break leases.
        Transferring assets out of an insolvent company is a no-no, they can be clawed back even from an innocent party (see Supreme Court case the other day where Bob Jones has to pay money back to an insolvent company). So Matt and/or liquidator are able to act against Spanish Bride and associated interests in this regard. I doubt that SB is sufficiently resourced to deal with it especially if possible Crimes Act charges are in the air.
        Felix will no doubt be looking at ways to capture the Disqus account (where I have been banned with respect to the Whaleoil/theBFD list).
        
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        August 10, 2019 11:56am
      - peterwn
        
        Also ‘all on red’, no need to feel for the lawyer (I assume you mean Felix). He is probably enjoying it like the pig in Cam’s 7th rule of politics. He may not be getting too much renumeration, but it does wonders for reputation.
        
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        August 10, 2019 12:04pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        As a competent valuer I find it difficult to ascribe value to a list of WO’s former subscribers. They are individuals and free to go where they please. Their listing is essentially only for a potential mailout. A list does not ensure future subs.
        
        Commercial value? Requires follow on substance to realise anything for the future from it. It’s value died with Cam’s retirement. Others may like to have it to carry on a feud but that is not a proper consideration.
        
        I support Juanita in turning her back on the past. Anyone who continues with her is doing so of their own choice. No list compels them.
        
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        August 10, 2019 12:11pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Sigh
        Peter, you really don’t understand how Discus works. The BFD will have its own arrangement with Discus. Just like many other blogs. That includes being able to block Discus users like you if they want.
        The BFDs arrangements with Discus have nothing to do with the old site. I know, cause I use Discus if I want to comment.
        You’re grasping at straws about the Subscribers too.
        As Kev points out, the List is worthless and the Subscribers can go where they want. No one ‘owns’ commentators. All the BFD has done is , like they do with Discus, provide a portal for them to Log In.
        They haven’t been ‘taken’ . They came by themselves.
        Your comment about the Terms of Service not being binding is moot, GIVEN THE SUBSCRIBERS HAVE ALREADY LEFT.
        As for the Liquidators claims, no one has posted specifically what crimes are alleged to have been broken.
        Besides, Toon is an Accountant not a Lawyer.
        Let’s see if she actually files complaints and they are taken seriously.
        I think you need to realise that it’s Slater who is Bankrupt, not his wife. Her business activities can continue.
        Oh, and Toon should not be giving preference to just one Creditor. They should be treated equally.
        I am aware the system can be gamed by the biggest creditor which could be Brian Henry according to ‘record guy’ who does seem to know what’s going on more than you and George.
        Anyway, interesting discussion on Liquidations.
        
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        August 10, 2019 3:21pm
      - Pete George
        
        Going by how ‘record guy’ assisted Slater in a disastrous defamation trial I wouldn’t put much value on what he claims to know. He has a court record of making baseless claims.
        
        His current (one of many) names may come from a record he set a few years ago – attempting court action using the HDC Act a year before it became effective.
        
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        August 10, 2019 5:17pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Is record guy right or wrong about Henry being the biggest Creditor?
        Has Blomfield proved his debt?
        It does make a differnrce
        
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        August 10, 2019 7:18pm
      - Pete George
        
        I don’t know what record guy knows. He may be a creditor, if so would know. But in another bankruptcy he claimed to be a creditor and that was rejected by a judge because no proof of debt was provided. So I wouldn’t rely on anything he claims.
        
        I don’t know who Slater’s biggest creditor is, or will be. Henry is likely top be large. There’s quite a bit pending in three defamation cases. there have been damages and costs awards against him v Blomfield, but the largest amount of trial costs and damages is yet to be determined. That’s not until next year I think. But Slater was found to have no defence and I think isn’t contesting (the Official Assignee probably has say over that), so it is likely to be substantial. Slater and others seem to have deliberately caused substantial business damages. And it’s been a six year case and Slater has had a number of failed proceedings in trying to delay and avoid, so costs to date could be substantial.
        
        Whatever, outstanding debts will be high for several creditors. So it’s possible a number of creditors will be pushing for discovery of any assets that may have been moved.
        
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        August 10, 2019 9:16pm
- Pete George
  
  You should be ok in BFD General debate. It says:
  
  Free speech
  Open Platform
  Everybody is welcome in our discussions
  
  And they complain about ‘fake news’.
  
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  August 10, 2019 9:24am
  - peterwn
    
    I cannot join in with that because I am banned.
    My banning had nothing to do with comments I made on Whaleoil or theBFD, but for comments I made on Kiwiblog taking the micky out of one of their mods who was lurking around here!
    
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    August 10, 2019 9:34am
  - igm
    
    Must piss you off to see successful blogs . . . yet yours is a failure!
    
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    August 10, 2019 9:42am
    - Pete George
      
      You’re the one who seems pissed off. My blog is operating just as I want it to, perhaps that’s why.
      
      WO was very successful for a while, but abused it’s power excessively, which inevitably led to failure – in reputation and reputations, and with an estimated $4 million debt and counting. Even Winston has outlasted Cam. You call that success?
      
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      August 10, 2019 10:09am
      - All_on_Red
        
        But Slaters vision lives on
        https://thebfd.co.nz
        You realise that by declaring himself Bankrupt that now Slater won’t have to pay anything.
        In Seven years he will be out too.
        
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        August 10, 2019 10:49am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        It must be comforting, therefore, for Slater’s fans to know that he will never have to repay his creditors or pay his defamation costs.
        
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        August 10, 2019 11:02am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Looks like a lot of parties are having a few laughs over this.
        I feel for his Lawyer though.
        But SM, this blurb on the Liquidators Web site does seem to slant towards the Directors interests in a Liquidation situation
        ‘ We are sensitive to the distress that directors and shareholders suffer when making the decision to liquidate an insolvent company. Directors frequently tell us that the decision to liquidate was one of the best decisions they made; like “ripping off a band-aid”, the initial decision might have been difficult but the process of resuming their lives was then able to begin. ‘
        https://restructuring.co.nz/who-we-are/
        Interesting.
        
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        August 10, 2019 11:42am
      - Pete George
        
        “You realise that by declaring himself Bankrupt that now Slater won’t have to pay anything.”
        
        Not necessarily.
        
        If he is found to have had any assets he would lose them. If he has any income he may have to contribute towards debts from that.
        
        Same for Social Media Consultants Limited.
        
        He is already finding it difficult to retain legal assistance. Employment and business opportunities will be affected.
        
        If TheBDF shuts down I presume subscribers will be unsecured creditors. That must affect decisions to subscribe with the risk of getting nothing for your money.
        
        Soliciting subscriptions while insolvent could be an issue.
        
        Declaring bankruptcy is not just a get of of debt of or nothing card.
        
        Bankruptcy is usually for 3 years, but not always. Nottingham’s is 4 years (at this stage).
        
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        August 10, 2019 12:57pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Bankruptcy stays on a persons Credit Record for seven years.
        Then they are clear.
        I doubt the Official Assignee would wear any objection for him to banned from being a Director after he’s out as he didn’t (arguably) deliberately and fraudulently mismanage his business.
        You’d be a mug if you think he has any assets- now…
        His wife’s assets should not be able to be touched. Plenty of case law proving that.
        As for the BFD, if he isn’t a Shareholder then that can’t be touched either. Good luck proving he’s financially involved and even if he is giving advice on content there’s nothing you can do about that either.
        You’re engaging in quite a bit of wishful thinking about subscribers and the BFD too. They’re his supporters remember.
        As for him working. Again he no doubt has his supporters. Being a Bankrupt doesn’t stop you working.
        He’ll be allowed to keep income up to a certain level too.
        Sorry, but it’s pretty much game over really.
        
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        August 10, 2019 1:36pm
    - peterwn
      
      Successful blogs do not ban people for comments they post on other blogs.
      A certain successful blog may no longer be successful at the end of the coming week.
      
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      August 10, 2019 10:27am
      - All_on_Red
        
        You’re really butt hurt over being banned eh.
        Poor snowflake
        Lol
        
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        August 10, 2019 11:04am
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Red, bfd?
        
        And who will you be posting under?
        
        All on Red.con?
        
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        August 10, 2019 11:08am
      - peterwn
        
        “all on red” – theBFD should make my day and feature me in ‘crybaby of the week’, that would be a real hoot. I will print a screenshot and hang it on the wall.
        Perhaps reminding people that I have been banned is a bit detrimental to theBFD. theBFD can always undo the damage by un-banning me. At least being banned has three advantages:
        1. I need not waste time posting comments on theBFD
        2. I am unable to take out a sub for theBFD premium content.
        3. I cannot be banned twice while the first ban remains.
        
        This pig is really enjoying it today (Cam’s 7th rule of politics – Never wrestle with pigs, two things are for certain if you do. You will get dirty and the pig will enjoy it.)
        
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        August 10, 2019 1:22pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Peter
        You’ve been banned. They ain’t wrestling with you.
        You’re playing with yourself…
        
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        August 10, 2019 3:22pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
      igm , successful like Whale oil?
      
      LOL!
      
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      August 10, 2019 11:04am
      - Swifty
        
        Who outside of your ctrl-left bubble actually cares?
        
        LOL!!
        
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        August 10, 2019 11:48am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        What have you achieved in your life stephie?
        
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        August 10, 2019 1:22pm
      - sooty
        
        Banned from carrying the colection plate at St Albans, stephie!
        
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        August 10, 2019 3:55pm
- Pete George
  
  Danyl Mclauchlan in Farewell to Whaleoil, hate machine of the blogosphere (which includes some interesting bits on the history of blogging in new Zealand):
  
  Slater was a spent force after Dirty Politics. He reportedly suffered a stroke in 2018, which partially disabled him, and now his site is gone: seized by the bankruptcy liquidators, and sold on to an enemy. But he’s still a vague shadow on the periphery of things. His wife and followers have set up a new site called TheBFD, where you can purchase a platinum membership for only $1997 a year. Slater is said to be incapacitated, and yet that fee buys you “two exclusive events per annum with Cam and his guest speaker”. Like everything involving Slater, the truth is obscured behind a dense mist of bullshit. The grift never seems to end.</blockquote.
  https://thespinoff.co.nz/media/10-08-2019/farewell-to-whaleoil-hate-machine-of-the-blogosphere/
  
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  August 10, 2019 9:51am
  - igm
    
    Slater really has the better of you in all spheres . . . it seems to be getting to you. Stick to your mate Cull, he seems to be your level.
    
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    August 10, 2019 10:01am
    - Pete George
      
      I campaigned against Cull in 2013, have had nothing else to do with him, never supported him, and am happy to see him go this year.
      
      Your level is showing.
      
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      August 10, 2019 10:32am
  - peterwn
    
    igm – Cam Slater is the loser at present (he has suffered a health fate that no one would wish for, I doubt that even Matt wanted to see that outcome). When he recovers it would seem unwise that he should again try and run a blog for therapeutic reasons. He would be better to take up Morris Dancing.
    
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    August 10, 2019 3:15pm
Humble Capitalist

“Hundreds of university students have marched on the offices of law firm Russell McVeagh to protest sexual harassment in the workplace.

Dressed in black as a symbol of solidarity with victims of sexual violence, the crowd snaked down Lambton Quay shouting chants such as: “Russell McVeagh, assaulting people is not OK”.

It follows a series of stories by Newsroom that revealed five summer clerks who were part of the 2015-2016 summer internship programme at Russell McVeagh made allegations ranging from sexual assault to rape against two of the firm’s lawyers.

Russell McVeagh’s office is in a high rise next to Midland Park, a popular lunch spot for Wellington CBD workers.

Many were stunned when the students arrived en masse and filled the park holding placards and shouting into loudspeakers.

The rally was organised by Victoria University of Wellington’s Students’ Association, Law Students’ Society and Feminist Law Society.

Beforehand the march received the blessing of the university’s vice-chancellor Grant Guilford, who told the crowd that the appalling incidents would hopefully lead to society working together to solve the problem.

“Russell McVeagh is not the root of the problem, only its ugly face.”
He reiterated that the university would not be working with Russell McVeagh until the results of its internal inquiry were known.

Rally organisers are calling on the Government to also suspend any further Crown work with Russell McVeagh until after the inquiry.

Ella Hughes, one of the organisers, said everyone had known about the entrenched behaviour in the legal profession for years but nothing had been done.

No Hundreds of university students have marched on the offices of law firm Russell McVeagh to protest sexual harassment in the workplace.

Dressed in black as a symbol of solidarity with victims of sexual violence, the crowd snaked down Lambton Quay shouting chants such as: “Russell McVeagh, assaulting people is not OK”.

It follows a series of stories by Newsroom that revealed five summer clerks who were part of the 2015-2016 summer internship programme at Russell McVeagh made allegations ranging from sexual assault to rape against two of the firm’s lawyers.

Russell McVeagh’s office is in a high rise next to Midland Park, a popular lunch spot for Wellington CBD workers.

Many were stunned when the students arrived en masse and filled the park holding placards and shouting into loudspeakers.

The rally was organised by Victoria University of Wellington’s Students’ Association, Law Students’ Society and Feminist Law Society.

Beforehand the march received the blessing of the university’s vice-chancellor Grant Guilford, who told the crowd that the appalling incidents would hopefully lead to society working together to solve the problem.

“Russell McVeagh is not the root of the problem, only its ugly face.”
He reiterated that the university would not be working with Russell McVeagh until the results of its internal inquiry were known.

Rally organisers are calling on the Government to also suspend any further Crown work with Russell McVeagh until after the inquiry.

Ella Hughes, one of the organisers, said everyone had known about the entrenched behaviour in the legal profession for years but nothing had been done.”

No doubt they are organising their protest for this week as we speak. There will certainly be calls for the government to suspend any further work with the Labour Party based on the allegations
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August 10, 2019 8:25am
- burt
  
  It doesn’t get much clearer than this;
  
  https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/clark-law-firm-board-should-resign
  
  Clark will surely be consistent and call for heads to roll in Labour leadership.
  
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  August 10, 2019 9:20am
  - Tall Man
    
    It’s nice when see a big mouth get hung by their own petard…. However, look at psycho’s retarded arguments yesterday, the left don’t care who assaults who unless it smacks them in their own undies……
    
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    August 10, 2019 9:57am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Have a look at what Martyn Bradbury thinks is going on…
      
      https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2019/08/09/to-kill-a-fantail-what-the-latest-labour-party-sexual-assault-scandal-says-about-jacindas-office/
      
      Not much sympathy for the complainants.
      
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      August 10, 2019 10:25am
      - Tall Man
        
        He has “faith” in the investigation….. That’s great, did he have faith in the summer sex camp investigation that ardern disavowed any knowledge of?
        
        Even helen said heads would have rolled. helen ruled by fear of having your “secrets” exposed, “what’s in it for wynston” does the same…. The “unknown secrets” are what keeps the team in check… Obviously ardern does not hold those “secrets” in her cupboard which makes me wonder who does and what “secrets” could they have on ardern and her team….
        
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        August 10, 2019 10:34am
      - Gravelroad
        
        You gotta realise this is all Paula Bennett’s fault -and John Key’s.
        Some of the allegations made by one or two of the commenters about Mr Key were actually libellous maybe?
        Taking personal responsibility for their actions seems to be an unknown principle to those in Labour Party circles.
        
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        August 10, 2019 10:49am
      - Liberty
        
        The Daily Blog
        “These latest allegations about this Staffer were emailed to a large list of journalists a few weeks back, and why didn’t anyone pick up those allegations then? It was because the letter was, how does one say this, very, very, very emotional and it detracted credibility. So the journalists didn’t run with it until Newshub and Paula Bennett got involved this week.”
        
        What a load of dribble from a Labour apologist.
        
        There was no action taken by the spineless media for one reason only.
        It was the labour party treating it staff appallingly. They haven’t spent
        years crawling up labour to suddenly stick the knife in.
        
        If it was the National party the Media would have wet themselves with glee.
        As we saw with their failed attempt to make Ponygate. Into a national crisis.
        Only to crawl back into their seedy pit.
        
        Dear leader failure to look after the well being of her staff over a number of months is totally unacceptable.
        What is really despicable. Is while Dear Leader’s staff work in a dodgy work environment. There would be business being persecuted by her governments departments for the very thing she has failed to address.
        As we know Dear Leader has a Marxist agenda.
        Just like animal farm
        All animals are equal but some are more equal than others.
        
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        August 10, 2019 1:32pm
      - Tony Stuart
        
        Not only is there not much sympathy for the complainants, but there’s some real venom directed at Paula Bennett.
        
        It seems that there is a reluctance by tribal lefties to accept that there are people within Labour with clay feet.
        
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        August 10, 2019 2:51pm
- Humble Capitalist
  
  Surely there will be calls for the government to suspend any further work with the Labour Party
  
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  August 10, 2019 9:20am
  - herb1
    
    How do the media get away with allowing the [Deleted – Mod] to claim it’s not her responsibility , it’s a Labour Party matter.
    Was she not selected in 2017 just before the election , as the new Labour Party leader
    
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    August 10, 2019 12:54pm
- backster
  
  Well shouldn’t the university now be marching on Labour Party Headquarters or even the Prime Minister’s residence to demand the party get rid of it’s sexual predators.
  
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  August 10, 2019 9:24am
  - burt
    
    Yes, and Helen Clark will be calling for the party leadership to resign.
    
    *crickets*
    
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    August 10, 2019 9:48am
  - G152
    
    The left do not attack their own
    
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    August 10, 2019 9:48am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Oh yes they do when they get a sniff of blood in the water.
      
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      August 10, 2019 9:53am
      - burt
        
        Indeed, the instant they see potential for having their own snouts pulled from the trough they turn ferrell.
        
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        August 10, 2019 9:59am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        Quite so Maggy. In fact, I daresay that Grant Robertson will be enjoying a feed of snapper tonight as he sees the door to the Leader’s Office just a little ajar.
        
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        August 10, 2019 1:25pm
      - marcw
        
        It will be the intellectual giant Kelvin in charge – it will take at least a month for the COL’s got-no Talent road show to kick off their national ~~trip~~ search.
        
        The whole country will be in witless protection.
        
        (Sorry about the Report Tony, meant Reply.)
        
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        August 10, 2019 2:27pm
    - Liberty
      
      Trotsky might have a different opinion.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Assassinated_Russian_politicians
      
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      August 10, 2019 1:54pm
  - freethinker
    
    Backster-That could decimate Labours staff numbers.
    
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    August 10, 2019 12:58pm
Greg Ettridge

https://www.instagram.com/p/B08O_T5Aooq/

Happy times, wonder if any of the dozen attended?
No Clarke must be babysitting
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August 10, 2019 8:31am
- Greg Ettridge
  
  It is amazing this photo above was put up late last night within minutes it had thousands of likes, now sitting on 11,500 likes.
  Back in early August 2017, the likes on this site exploded 20 fold overnight, well before election.
  People like this guy started to appear that has 91,000 followers.
  https://www.instagram.com/__mr_x_007/
  It begs the question, how many of these “likes” are real and how many are false “Likes”
  Many kiwi’s have lost the “likes” option, but all politicians appear to be immune to this push by facebook who are Instagram.
  I suspect that the vast majority of “likes” are money driven, hopefully not taxpayers money.
  Many of the comments are more than likely staff sitting pumping up the ego tyres, then again i maybe wrong.
  
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  August 10, 2019 9:04am
  - Tall Man
    
    Vastly more likeable than the harridan.
    
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    August 10, 2019 9:59am
  - Inandout
    
    Greg, I also like fancy dress occasions.
    
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    August 10, 2019 10:15am
Padriv Ustoev

You know old Cindy is not bad as far as communist leaders go.
And having lived in a communist country I know that fighting the system is futile. Instead you have to put forward good ideas for the appartchiks to implement. That way you get a Certificate of Appreciation signed by your local factory chairman and one of those cool red pendants you can hang on the wall of you appartment.
Our current regime is a form of eco-communism. We are not allowed plastic bags, roads are bad, cars that are not electric are also bad. They ban all these things, and the savings go to helping the poor and those effected by climate change.
Taking this into account I want to put forward my own eco-communism idea.
Ban toilet paper.
No more disposable toilet paper any more. Only reusable linen rolls.
Use, wash, use again.
Hear me out.
Savings on trees. Help grow the 1 billion trees that Shane is working on.
Savings on importing toilet paper from overseas.
Lowering carbon footprint.
And, best of all. Huge boost for jobs in NZ, as the drycleaning business explodes.
Think about it. Another world first. Putting NZ on the map with things that matter.
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August 10, 2019 8:31am
- Fletch
  
  Delingpole has an article on Breitbart today saying that environmentalism is the new fascism. He looks at three news stories at random where extreme weather has been blamed on climate change and debunks all three as being fake.
  
  https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/08/09/delingpole-every-story-you-read-about-the-environment-is-fakenews/
  
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  August 10, 2019 9:15am
- Chuck Bird
  
  The alleged killer at Christchurch is an eco-communist.
  
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  August 10, 2019 9:18am
  - Tall Man
    
    You don’t have to dig too far into the “manifesto” to realise that.
    
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    August 10, 2019 10:00am
  - burt
    
    Which clarifies why his manifest was banned, wouldn’t want people understanding him when a more sanitised version of his motivations can be created and pushed upon us.
    
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    August 10, 2019 10:05am
  - Inandout
    
    CB, so is one of the current US shooters.
    
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    August 10, 2019 10:18am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Tarrant labels himself as an eco-facist. When will he get his Nobel?
    
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    August 10, 2019 12:21pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Before ardern I think 😉
      
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      August 10, 2019 1:36pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Padriv,
  
  We would have to import the linen….
  That means costly C emissions getting the raw stuff from China or Lithuania or Tunisia..
  
  We could grow our own again, I s’pose.
  Shane could drop a few $M into the Marlborough region and get the wicked Sav blanc vines yanked out and planted up in Linen.
  http://nzetc.victoria.ac.nz/tm/scholarly/tei-NHSJ05_01-t1-body1-d9.html
  
  But really, shouldn’t we be using our own native plants?
  What’s wrong with wiping your bum with a handful of sphagnum moss or a ponga frond?
  
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  August 10, 2019 9:49am
  - Tall Man
    
    Do a couple of tests and let us know, sounds like a great idea…. we await the review… once you can sit at your desk again 🙂
    
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    August 10, 2019 10:01am
  - Ed Snack
    
    I wouldn’t experiment with using Ongaonga though….
    
    But Flax can make a perfectly acceptable if somewhat coarse linen like fabric.
    
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    August 10, 2019 12:33pm
  - Padriv Ustoev
    
    Flax! Flax toilet paper. Pointless and merciless just like out leader.
    
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    August 10, 2019 12:45pm
  - Rob2
    
    Rangiora leaves is the trick.
    
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    August 10, 2019 5:07pm
- stephieboy
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  “You know old Cindy is not bad as far as communist leaders go.”
  
  ???
  Go and visit your Doctor!
  
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  August 10, 2019 10:56am
  - Swifty
    
    ?????
    
    Your point???
    
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    August 10, 2019 11:46am
  - JibberJabber
    
    Quite right Steph, she`s an absolute disaster, glad we an agree on something.
    
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    August 10, 2019 1:04pm
- kowtow
  
  Padriv ,
  
  I’ve missed you commenting , where’ve you been , on Haj ?
  
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  August 10, 2019 11:42am
  - Padriv Ustoev
    
    My style if commenting does for down well with moderation. So I mostly gave up.
    
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    August 10, 2019 3:17pm
    - Rob2
      
      Join us at https://ysb.co.nz/ free to comment what you like. no moderation, good topics and lots of good manners.
      
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      August 10, 2019 5:09pm
- Liberty
  
  The scary part is Green minders read Kiwiblog to keep and eye on dissidents.
  It’s such a cunning idea. that would appeal to Luddites and with a Letter from
  JAG it will be Government policy by Monday lunchtime.
  
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  August 10, 2019 2:22pm
Thought Criminal

No news at the Horrid of the sexual assault and rape cover up by Jacinda and Labour.

It’s like it never happened.
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August 10, 2019 8:35am
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  Maybe if someone told them someone there had a pony tail pulled 6 months ago, would that help?
  
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  August 10, 2019 8:41am
- Rich Prick
  
  Funny that, oh to be Labour connected.
  
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  August 10, 2019 8:43am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    Yup, being senior labour seems to mean to be untouchable! Rape, abuse, bully, trade favours with absolute impunity – after all, its an internal party matter comrade!
    
    Plus, if you don’t spread them and put out, you get permanently blacklisted from the Party.
    
    These, my friends, are the people who purport to be our “betters”, and will gladly change laws to put the little people in their place.
    
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    August 10, 2019 9:33am
- burt
  
  They’ll be offering Jeffery Epstein citizenship next week so he can start his new role as youth camp mentor.
  
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  August 10, 2019 9:00am
  - burt
    
    Looks like he just withdrew his application.
    
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    August 11, 2019 8:57am
- Happychappy
  
  No they are labouring to get a bill legalizing sexual assault through the house.
  
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  August 10, 2019 10:03am
  - Tall Man
    
    Already in place it would seem. Possibly it was a “captain’s call”….
    
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    August 10, 2019 1:35pm
    - sooty
      
      Seems to be in the labour party rules
      They think you are queer, if you are not fiddling with the staff!
      
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      August 10, 2019 4:06pm
MickMac

I wrote to the DOMPOST not expecting it to be printed. They protect Justin and Jacinda all they can.
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August 10, 2019 8:39am
alloytoo

That reflects on the standards and morals of the HMS Horrid and all who sail in her.
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August 10, 2019 8:43am
kowtow

Anyone else get the feeling that the “them and us” divisiveness that the left and media have been pushing so relentlessly is ramping up dangerously ?

TV1 news made a virtue of it yesterday with how many items on UN climate reports , plastic recycling ,Maori activism and of course “international news” was the usual diet of bash the Yanks.

The legacy lame stream media are active participants in a very dangerous game.

On Sean Plunket’s yesterday a farmer phoned in to thank him for siding with the farmers . You could hear the caller really had a case about the effects on the farming community of this virulent vilification of farming.

What are we playing at here ? Its the backbone of this country and townie or not uncommitted people need to wake up to what’s happening.
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August 10, 2019 8:45am
- artemisia
  
  Private landlords have also been targeted and vilified. Some are cashing up, converting to AirBnB, raising rents, not building or buying new rentals, terminating tenancies that might be a risk.
  
  It’s the golden rule – the ones with the gold make the rules.
  
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  August 10, 2019 9:31am
  - Tall Man
    
    Having been a landlord, I would never do it again.
    
    We made our money through bloody hard work but it has gotten much worse since then.
    
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    August 10, 2019 10:05am
- Tall Man
  
  A place of relative sanity.
  
  https://karldufresne.blogspot.com/
  
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  August 10, 2019 10:04am
  - kowtow
    
    And reasonableness , something now missing in the wider discourse .
    
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    August 10, 2019 10:52am
- BananaLlama
  
  Mate you are underscoring the problem. The MSM thrives on hate.
  
  Do you know most of these terror attacks involving mass shootings from white supremacists are because of American and to a smaller degree global media pushing a flawed narrative that white Americans are going to be a minority.
  It’s absolute bullshit.
  
  The MSM use a racial classification that is more hard line than the Nuremberg racial laws where if you have one grandparent that is not of European diaspora or you speak a language other than American English then you are non white. It’s like Saying Boris Johnson is a non white Turk despite him having blue eyes and blonde hair.
  It’s the most hard line divisive shit i have seen in my life and it has having real world consequences.
  
  Now of course they turn their hateful apparatus against other sections of society to sell their propaganda and we are starting to see the far left involved in mass shootings.
  
  Can’t wait to see what the MSM have in store for rural communities across the west as they try and blame them for global warming while zipping across the planet in Jumbo Jets, quaffing their cream buns and lattes all the while sputtering out hate and pollution. But don’t worry you aren’t allowed to read some retards manifesto it might cause you to go on a rampage /sarc.
  
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  August 10, 2019 1:01pm
Maggy Wassilieff

UK Power grid a bit unstable…
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-49300025
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August 10, 2019 8:49am
- fernglas
  
  UK very unstable.
  
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  August 10, 2019 8:56am
- burt
  
  Apparently the instability was caused by Brexit.
  
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  August 10, 2019 9:01am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Trump not a available?
    
    John Keys?
    
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    August 10, 2019 9:05am
    - kowtow
      
      Nor was climate change , pale stale males ,inequality , sexual harassment , Putin , slavery ( but only the trans Atlantic version) , Christian fundamentalism, colonialism , the arms trade , the war on drugs or institutionalised racism , whaling , fossil fuels , the alcohol and tobacco industry or populism.
      
      Gosh the media have a veritable herd of betes noires. ( Ooops is that wacist)
      
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      August 10, 2019 9:21am
    - Scott
      
      Quite right Paulus Gnome. Trump gets the blame for everything. At the moment the left is saying that his rhetoric has directly led to the shootings in El Paso and Ohio.
      
      Unfortunately for the left and their media enablers the Ohio shooter was a Satanist who supported Antifa and Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren! So much for Trump inspiring him?!
      
      New evidence has come out about the El Paso killer who has a variety of views in his manifesto. He does make some comments about immigration but he is also a radical environmentalist and believes that automation is the main problem facing the country today.
      
      But according to reporting the main inspiration for the El Paso killer’s rampage was the manifesto he read online of the Christchurch shooter. How sad that one evil Australian has murdered over 50 people in New Zealand and then inspired mass murders overseas.
      
      Despite what the media tell you the mass shootings in United States are not the fault of Donald J Trump.
      
      https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/08/has-anyone-actually-read-the-el-paso-killers-manifesto.php
      
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      August 10, 2019 9:23am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Mass shootings in the US increased dramatically after 2011
        https://www.cato.org/blog/are-mass-shootings-becoming-more-frequent
        
        The most mass shootings in the USA in one year (382) occurred in 2016 during the Obama regime:
        https://www.vox.com/a/mass-shootings-america-sandy-hook-gun-violence
        
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        August 10, 2019 10:08am
      - SGA
        
        He does make some comments about immigration but he is also a radical environmentalist and believes that automation is the main problem facing the country today.
        
        “some comments”? Well… according to your link, he said –
        
        This attack is a response to the Hispanic invasion of Texas. … I am simply defending my country from cultural and ethnic replacement brought on by an invasion.
        
        That’s hardly an aside, Scott.
        Putting aside anything to do with trying to blame Trump directly or the general ramblings of such deluded manifestos, if you want to understand what’s really driving such individuals look at their targets. He didn’t attack an automated plant (which according to your link he sees a an “issue” that immigration is making worse for people), or blow up a corporate tower, or commit some act of eco-terrorism – he massacred a number of hispanics.
        
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        August 10, 2019 10:21am
      - stephieboy
        
        MW, the biggest mass shooting ( Las Vegas) occurred under the current President!
        
        The Harvest Music Festival 58 killed,
        
        https://edition.cnn.com/2019/08/03/us/texas-el-paso-walmart-shooting-among-deadliest-trnd/index.html
        
        Your point?
        
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        August 10, 2019 10:47am
      - stephieboy
        
        Scott, at least the President is showing an unexpected show of moral courage by giving some consideration to background checks especially the mentally ill ( like his immediate predecessor)
        
        But rest assured the NRA make sure and will kill that! ( excuse pun)
        
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        August 10, 2019 10:54am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @stephieboy
        
        Do you understand the concept of frequency?
        
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        August 10, 2019 11:08am
      - stephieboy
        
        Donald Trump certainly does.
        
        Donald J. Trump
        ✔
        @realDonaldTrump
        
        “Did George Bush ever condemn President Obama after Sandy Hook. President Obama had 32 mass shootings during his reign. Not many people said Obama is out of Control. Mass shootings were happening before the President even thought about running for Pres.” @kilmeade @foxandfriends
        
        118K
        10:47 PM – Aug 6, 2019
        
        https://www.salon.com/2019/08/08/heres-the-problem-with-the-notion-that-president-obama-didnt-do-enough-to-prevent-mass-shootings_partner/
        
        You obviously don’t!
        
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        August 10, 2019 12:04pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Idiot… it was Trump and everybody knows that.
    
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    August 10, 2019 10:06am
  - stephieboy
    
    burt , and Boris!
    
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    August 10, 2019 10:59am
    - Swifty
      
      Now joking aside!!
      
      Lol!
      
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      August 10, 2019 11:45am
  - freethinker
    
    EU in meltdown Yellow vests. Afd in Krautland, IRD in Denmark blown up, Catalonia still simmering, Italy giving drunker 2 fingers, Varadka shitting bricks having pissed off his countries largest Market and the EU shortly to have a 39 Billion pound hole in the budget and be short 10 Billion a year or so, this ain’t go to end well.
    
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    August 10, 2019 1:56pm
- Jack5
  
  NZ’s grid will be under pressure like this as electric cars and trucks put pressure on demand, while varying wind generation, weather-dependent southern hydro stations, and too-few, too small thermal plants struggle to cope.
  
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  August 10, 2019 9:01am
  - chaos
    
    Wasn’t that long ago that when the lakes were low they were asking people to not use air conditioners. Imagine the impact on electric cars in a dry summer and/or winter
    
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    August 10, 2019 10:10am
    - peterwn
      
      There will inevitably be times of tightness. Advertising campaigns calling for restraint are a valid option and sufficient people respond to make it worthwhile. Also older power stations nearing the end of their useful lives provide a valuable backup in case lakes are low, wind does not blow etc. Huntly is the prime example (minimal capital cost since it already has been paid for but high standby and running costs).
      
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      August 10, 2019 10:55am
  - peterwn
    
    Transpower is fully aware of these things and has planning processes in train to reinforce transmission as appropriate. A major issue they face is delays in obtaining environmental consents could delay such projects to the point of danger.
    Similarly the five major ‘gentailers’ together with the Electricity Authority continually review the situation and have potential projects in the pipeline to meet increased loadings. They would be acutely aware of the political and economic consequences of power shortages. The ultimate fallback is importing LNG (liquid natural gas) to use in low capital cost quick to build gas turbine stations.
    
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    August 10, 2019 10:50am
- Ruahine
  
  A little reminder as to what it was like living in the 19th Century. The Luddites among them would be so happy I am sure.
  
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  August 10, 2019 9:08am
  - peterwn
    
    You mean when the quantities of horse pee and dung in streets of major cities threatened to overwhelm the cities.
    
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    August 10, 2019 9:28am
- peterwn
  
  It is not the grid itself that was unstable, but that the grid operator unexpectedly lost two generators so he or she would have to cut power to some areas to re-balance the grid until alternative generators could be run up and synchronised in. What would have been of concern is if the whole UK grid fell flat on its face (this is very serious and it would take many hours to sort out). The cuts may have been ‘automatic’ – see below).
  The grid operator usually ‘buys’ sufficient ‘spinning reserve’ (generators running but on a small fraction of available output) to deal with this sort of thing in most cases but would not want to pay for excessive ‘spinning reserve’.
  The New Zealand grid has an automatic system to disconnect 20% then another 20% of load in case of generation or transmission line failures (especially the Cook Strait cables and associated lines Benmore to Haywards) that would overwhelm the grid. The Tiwai Point smelter operators will also help by temporarily reducing load (ok as long as the aluminium remains molten) because they do not want to suffer from a grid collapse.
  Also steps were commenced 50 years ago by the former NZ Electricity Department to make the national grid resilient to earthquakes and the success of this was demonstrated when the two Christchurch earthquakes had minimal effect on the four (I think) ‘grid exit point’ substations there.
  The engineer (Harry Coleridge Hitchcock – his dad had a senior role in the Coleridge Power Station Project) who led the earthquake project became a world authority on the matter.
  
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  August 10, 2019 9:26am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Surely the smelter load has little National impact as the power from Manapouri cannot readily be transferred further Northwards due to a lack of interconnection capacity ?
    
    That’s a major reason that they keep the cost of power to Tiwai point so very low as there’s little alternative use for the power should the smelter close. There is a plan to improve the connectivity, but the cost is in the $B range.
    
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    August 10, 2019 12:41pm
    - peterwn
      
      I am talking about very short term things. AFAIK if the Tiwai operator sees that the frequency is significantly below 50Hz the operator would reduce load to help the Grid recover. It could be if the 220kV lines north of Invercargill become slightly overloaded the grid operator would either ease back Manapouri output or ask Tiwai to increase load.
      If Tiwai closes (it is all about tough negotiating) granted a few billion would be needed to beef up transmission, but this would cost far less than new generation. Yes Tiwai closure would financially hurt, but the damage would be far, far less than the damage related to Shane Jones’ slush fund.
      
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      August 10, 2019 1:37pm
      - marcw
        
        I doubt the damage would be light or insignificant.
        -3000 odd jobs (direct and indirect) lost
        -overseas earnings of exported aluminum lost
        -increased CO2 emissions as bauxite is transferred to asian smelters for processing (coal powered)
        
        This is on top of the $billions in cost it is estimated to redirect the Manapouri power northwards. There is no scenario where closing Tiwai makes economic sense, which of course means the chances of the COL approving it much higher. Because … ideology.
        
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        August 10, 2019 2:55pm
- Inandout
  
  But EVs are so smart and when there is power are so easy to charge.
  
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  August 10, 2019 10:22am
Yvette

Newshub can reveal new details about the restrictions placed on the alleged victims of a Labour Party staffer while their allegations of sexual harassment and bullying were being investigated.

Leaked emails from the Labour Party to the complainants tell the alleged victims to avoid certain areas of Parliament.

“We feel that maintaining a physical separation is an appropriate interim measure,” said Labour Party General Secretary Andre Anderson.
The accused staffer was also told to avoid a particular area of Parliament.

“That’s appalling. They are literally fearful. I’m hearing of panic attacks, severe anxiety, and they are told to avoid the person that’s causing that?” Deputy Leader of the National Party, Paula Bennett, told Newshub.

That the staffer is not stood down, while investigations are made, would in this situation seem somewhat illogical, so other logic perhaps raises the question – “What leverage may the staffer have against being stood down, since that hasn’t yet happened?”
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August 10, 2019 8:56am
- Nookin
  
  My understanding is that although there is an investigation, it is an investigation into the process only and the Labour Party hierarchy has announced that the outcome (i.e. the staff member is vindicated) will not change.
  There can be no other explanation for the fact that he remains on duty.
  Astonishingly, it is the victims who are advised not to go near him and have been advised to stay clear of areas where there may be contact.
  
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  August 10, 2019 9:43am
  - Yvette
    
    Nookin, it appears there are further complaints that have not been made to Ardern’s office, or Parliamentary or ministerial services, so they likely have not investigated those.
    
    The Prime Minister wouldn’t be interviewed, but a spokesperson told Newshub the issues raised with Bennett have not been raised with Ardern’s office, Parliamentary or ministerial services – to the best of their knowledge.
    
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    August 10, 2019 10:10am
    - Tall Man
      
      Probably lies Yvette considering whose office they came from….
      
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      August 10, 2019 1:33pm
- Inandout
  
  Paula could, if she wished, expose the background to this in the debating chamber.
  
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  August 10, 2019 10:23am
  - Yvette
    
    Paula Bennett has apparently contacted Speaker Mallard concerning the issue and of course made statements to the media, so if it is not followed through it will be slightly bizarre to say the least.
    
    And I don’t know that Prime Minister Ardern can make remarks to the likes of the UN General Assembly, regarding “Me Too should be We Too”, without sorting such a situation in her own office among her own staff – and hope to maintain any credibility.
    
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    August 10, 2019 11:55am
    - Tall Man
      
      In order to maintain “credibility” you must have some to start with.
      
      ardern never did in my mind, she’s just a mouthpiece for labour and “what’s in it for wynston”.
      
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      August 10, 2019 1:31pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  The fact that the staffer involved has lawyered up, and the lawyer has been issuing threats of litigation may well have influenced the Labour Party.
  
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  August 10, 2019 1:29pm
  - Tall Man
    
    You mean they are cowards?
    
    Tell us something new.
    
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    August 10, 2019 1:32pm
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Not cowards Tall Man, but you can waste a helluva lot of money on lawyers and lawsuits, and historically, the Labour Party doesn’t have a helluva lot of money. Why do you think they want taxpayer funding of political parties?
      
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      August 10, 2019 1:41pm
      - sooty
        
        And working partys doing all the thinking on the taxpayers dime, when they sat on their arse for noine long years!
        
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        August 10, 2019 4:14pm
peterwn

So Bob Jones (or rather his company) lost a Supreme Court case meaning that his company has to pay back a liquidated company money paid to Bob’s company.
It has attracted media attention because of Bob’s high public profile. But in reality it is just another day at the office for both Bob and the liquidators.
Bob’s legal advice would probably have been that he had little chance of succeeding but Bob would have been taking a stand on behalf of all those, tradies included, who had their bills paid then had to face a liquidator wanting the money back.
Bob could do this because he was the only one at risk (he is probably out of pocket by $100k or so including lower court actions). In the general case, if company directors or trustees took this sort of action in the face of adverse legal advice, they could be personally liable for the costs involved.
Thanks Bob, for your public spiritedness in taking this matter right up to the Supreme Court.
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August 10, 2019 9:03am
slightlyrighty

Here is a question that Chris Bishop should ask the associate minister of transport.

“At what point was it decided to treat the Letter, written by the Associate Minister, on Ministerial Letterhead, to the Minister of Transport, as political correspondence?”

From Genter’s answers in Parliament, it would appear that this decision was taken at a point after the letter was written.
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August 10, 2019 9:05am
- peterwn
  
  Chris, Nicola and Brett are not finished with her yet.
  
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  August 10, 2019 10:23am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Not by a long way. I don’t believe the Chief Ombudsman will take too long to conclude his investigation, and I expect this to escalate when Parliament resumes on Tuesday week.
    
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    August 10, 2019 1:31pm
- Jules99
  
  Silly girl should have taken a leaf out of Hillary Clinton’s book and used a private email system that is hidden from OIA requests.
  
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  August 10, 2019 10:43am
  - Batman
    
    That wouldn’t work because it is still official information. You can’t hide it by using a private email.
    
    Official information is official information, not matter the format or system used.
    
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    August 10, 2019 10:59am
    - Jules99
      
      LOL, true, and even smashing her phones with a hammer is not going to help. Her ‘lost’ emails will be on a server somewhere, and I suspect the authorities already know where.
      
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      August 10, 2019 12:31pm
    - Ed Snack
      
      It would work just the same way as Clinton’s system did. Until others were aware of the existence of the private server it’s messages were not available under FOIA; and once it’s existence was acknowledged the powers that be allowed Clinton to decide what was too politically explosive to release and allowed her to delete and wipe (not with a cloth) those messages even while under a valid subpoena to produce them.
      
      And when what looks like a significant chunk of those emails turn up on ex-Congressman Weiner’s Laptop (despite the fact that he had no security clearance) an exceptional amount of effort is made to ensure that these will not ever be examined.
      
      Not sure that we have quite such an irredeemably corrupt bureaucracy as existed under Obama, but not from a lack of trying by this mob. As we all know, it is entirely different when they do it.
      
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      August 10, 2019 12:49pm
  - Batman
    
    That wouldn’t work because it is still official information. You can’t hide it by using a private email.
    
    Official information is official information, no matter the format or system used.
    
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    August 10, 2019 10:59am
    - rjay
      
      Of course. If something is not legal then no body will do it.
      
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      August 10, 2019 12:23pm
lastmanstanding

The JAG letter issue yet again illustrates what thinking citizens already know and that is the Political Class are feral venal liars with utter contempt for the citizens.

Well guess what Morons. We have only utter contempt for you.

May you all live in interesting times.
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August 10, 2019 9:21am
Fletch

Despicable tactics being used in America as Democratic Texas Rep. Joaquin Castro (appropriate name for him) doxxes his constituents that donated to Trump, posting them on his Twitter feed. Many of the people named have now been threatened, harassed at work and at home and are fearful.

One should be able to donate to whatever candidate one likes without fear of reprisal but that is where they are in America now, using any tactic, no matter how disgusting, to get what they want. They are becoming desperate.

https://www.redstate.com/sister-toldjah/2019/08/06/wrong-ted-cruz-steve-scalise-torch-joaquin-castro-doxxing-pro-trump-constituents/
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August 10, 2019 9:21am
- Tall Man
  
  Think about the tossers on here that keep parroting about how “brave” they are because they post under their real name. This is a clear example why not too.
  
  DPF has our email addresses so if he really needs to track us down it ain’t that hard.
  
  Let’s hope he never gets hacked by the nutjob lefties. Imagine daily abuse by steffy etc……
  
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  August 10, 2019 10:18am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    hmm thats why my e mail address is rightoverlabour@XXXXXXX. I’d suggest creating an e mail in your nom de plume just in case Jacinda’s mob do start poking around. If you are truly neurotic, (I am not) alway use a VPN and make out you are posting from the USA or the UK….
    
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    August 10, 2019 1:04pm
  - Steve Todd
    
    Assuming I am one of the “tossers” you are referring to, let’s put the record straight.
    
    At General Debate yesterday, I suggested to igm that if he had a proposal, re. the matter being discussed, he could tell us what it is, because, as he commented under a pseudonym, no-one would know who he is.
    
    You responded by saying, in part, “Posting under your own name, if in fact you are, is not a badge of courage, it just shows that you are relatively inconsequential.”
    
    You made an assumption as to my motive, based on your own prejudice; you quite erroneously attributed to me a motive, courage, that, in this context, I have never claimed for myself.
    
    In my six years at Kiwiblog, what follows is at least the third time I have explained why I blog under my real name, that being to make sure I interact with other commenters in a reasonable and respectful manner; to make sure I give some thought to my comments before posting them; and to make sure I comply with DPF’s rules. Simple as that. It has nothing to do with being “brave”.
    
    You claim to use a pseudonym because you have a business and public profile. But, like almost all anonymous commenters here (Fentex and mikeandmildagain being, in my view, two of very few exceptions), you use a pseudonym because you want to give free rein to your alter ego – your alternative personality – to say the most nasty and reprehensible things without anyone knowing who you are. I call that an example of cowardice.
    
    You say that I can comment under my real name, because I am “relatively inconsequential”. But, there are nevertheless many people out there who know me; who know who I am. I don’t mind those people knowing what I think, when I comment here, because I choose to express myself in a reasonable way; because I have no desire to say to, or about, anyone, the ugly things you say.
    
    You could quite easily get your various points across in a reasonable way, too, with little or no comeback on you, professionally or personally, but you choose not to, because, I venture to suggest, you enjoy commenting here in the way that you do. That points to a severe case of puerility on your part, rather than to a fear of your “differing views becoming an issue.”
    
    One only has to look at Tony Stuart. He abandoned his pseudonym and is much the happier for having done so. He has informed us that he appreciates giving more thought to what he wants to say. Instead of being just another anonymous punter, his comments are now worth taking on board, because, like David Garrett (especially), he now displays the courage of his convictions.
    
    It’s something you could usefully think about.
    
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    August 10, 2019 1:57pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Steve Todd,
      There are various reasons why people use pseudonyms on this blog.
      
      I covered some of my history on this blog a few days back.
      https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/08/general_debate_7_august_2019.html#comment-2534854
      
      I don’t abuse people, but I’m no longer prepared to have my family name smeared on this blog.
      
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      August 10, 2019 3:53pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        I have no problem with you at all, Maggy. In fact, I look forward to your contributions. I am aware of the issues you have faced with your family name here; please be assured I sympathise with you, and that I am definitely on your side.
        
        I realise “[t]here are various reasons why people use pseudonyms on this blog.” My point is, a great many commenters here use pseudonyms, it seems to me, to feed their alter egos, not because they “have a business and public profile” (or whatever) and don’t want people (who may have a different point of view) to think any less of them, even though they, the commenters, using their real names, have expressed their points of view in a reasonable manner. (I mentioned Fentex (who I suspect is a lawyer) as an example of someone who would have a genuine reason to remain anonymous.)
        
        Basically, I objected to my motive for using my real name being misrepresented, and decided to do something about it.
        
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        August 10, 2019 4:23pm
artemisia

I have raised a pilot of high tech incinerators with a couple of MPs. Answer was – Greens would be totally up in arms and the backlash from them would stop the idea dead in its tracks.

National has not yet published most of its policies and is due to do so in 2020. There will be environmental policies for sure. I reckon high tech incinerators would be well received by voters. Fox type disasters would be a thing of the past, eventually.
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August 10, 2019 9:23am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Huntly should be turned into a high-tech incinerator, and the technology should be the same as what already works very well in Singapore.
  
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  August 10, 2019 10:18am
  - stephieboy
    
    My thoughts exactly. This video describes how they do it in Singapore,
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dei_duocsu4
    
    Obviously, such a facility could be used to power the expected expansion of EVs
    
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    August 10, 2019 10:44am
    - Swifty
      
      Only in your perpetual fantasy world!
      
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      August 10, 2019 11:44am
    - alloytoo
      
      There is only one Huntly to convert.
      
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      August 10, 2019 12:24pm
- rockape
  
  I saw some of the stuff done under National on this. Maureen Pugh was a leading voice for the West Coast. It looked good but the problem was getting the backing of councils to use it. The shear volume of waste couldnt be produced locally.
  
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  August 10, 2019 10:44am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Huntly could take waste from the whole country, delivered to the door by electric train.
    
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    August 10, 2019 12:01pm
    - alloytoo
      
      And it would solve all the silly uneconomic recycling logistics.
      
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      August 10, 2019 12:26pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Captain Mainwaring, and you could gain useful employment as a stoker!
      
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      August 10, 2019 12:30pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        And you, my hapless little friend, are a Stroker.
        
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        August 10, 2019 2:56pm
      - sooty
        
        Haaaaa, Haaaaaaaaaaaa. Good one, AOR.
        Comeback from that stephie!
        
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        August 10, 2019 4:19pm
Hugh Pavletich

… HONG KONG PROTESTS …

Hong Kong protests spread across Australia revealing deep divisions in Chinese community … (ABC) Australian Broadcasting Corporation

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-10/hong-kong-protests-spread-across-australia/11398832

Protests and violent clashes in Hong Kong have spilled over onto Australian university campuses, revealing a deep division of opinions in the local Chinese community. … read more via hyperlink above …
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U.S Calls Beijing ‘Thuggish Regime’ For Harassing American Diplomat In Hong Kong |YouTube / TIME

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tg4x-dsDr8M

Protesters stage sit-in at Hong Kong airport and target tourists … YouTube / Daily Mail

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkpBgerBpu8
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August 10, 2019 9:24am
chaos

Thought I would post this here from last nights chat for anyone that is interested.

I just had a survey and I think it needs to be shared. It shows a possible direction this government is taking New Zealand post. A direction that could include paying a tax for your mail, getting fewer deliveries and fewer days you can send mail. I captured some of the options here for anyone wanting to see them

https://ibb.co/Dw591QR
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August 10, 2019 9:25am
Gravelroad

Was going to comment on the latest cheerleading for the left by Duncan Garner and David Slack on Duff this morning.
Then thought, nah, what’s the point.
They are both so pathetic it’s just not worth going there.
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August 10, 2019 9:39am
- Tall Man
  
  https://karldufresne.blogspot.com/
  
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  August 10, 2019 10:21am
Happychappy

Who would have though that Stuff would be posting Columns calling for tax cuts to head off the hunt of a recession.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/114901537/if-the-govt-wants-to-avoid-a-recession-it-should-give-money-to-those-wholl-spend-it
Wow the favorite Government need Stuffs endorsement to think about tax cuts. Surely after all the pointing fingers at National using tax cuts to stimulate the economy Labour are about to back track on that criticism.
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August 10, 2019 9:40am
- Inandout
  
  Makes sense, more money to buy newspapers or buy ads on Stuff. A sinking economy doesn’t help an already struggling media.
  
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  August 10, 2019 10:28am
- rockape
  
  Labour wont do it, it would be eating too many rats. I expect we will see grants to those in need! Labour supporters in the hope that will do the job. bribing voters is the way labour works.
  
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  August 10, 2019 10:41am
  - sooty
    
    Just like giving out KFC!
    
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    August 10, 2019 4:21pm
Humble Capitalist

A couple of alleged rotten eggs in private firm = protest march, Varsity suspends business, call for govt to suspend business, calls for entire board’s heads to roll, widespread MSM coverage of a rotten culture throughout entire organisation
A couple of alleged rotten eggs in govt political party whose members were highly critical of the above = alleged victims told to avoid alleged offender/s and to keep quiet, no calls for sanctions based on allegations, no protest march, limited MSM coverage, no calls from MSM about rotten culture throughout entire organisation
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August 10, 2019 9:45am
- stephieboy
  
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  Humble Capitalist,
  
  a truly florid and vivid imagination!
  
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  August 10, 2019 10:30am
  - Swifty
    
    Seems all made up to me!!
    
    Lol!!
    
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    August 10, 2019 11:43am
  - Humble Capitalist
    
    What makes the LAB party allegations imaginery Stephie?
    
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    August 10, 2019 2:59pm
    - sooty
      
      Because he missed out!
      
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      August 10, 2019 4:22pm
questions

Anyone seen http://www.whaleoil.co.nz today ???
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August 10, 2019 10:08am
- Tall Man
  
  Seriously? Why bother, there are enough things in the world to occupy yourself without concentrating on that rubbish.
  
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  August 10, 2019 10:25am
- stephieboy
  
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  I see it is by this progressive writer,
  
  Womankind
  New Zealand Women Making a Difference
  Margie Thomson Simon Young
  
  A landmark publication highlighting the achievements and diversity of the women of New Zealand.
  
  https://www.penguin.co.nz/books/womankind-9780143772729
  
  Hoepfully a damning examination of the alt right bigot!
  
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  August 10, 2019 10:29am
  - Swifty
    
    Snooze button alert!!!
    
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    August 10, 2019 11:40am
Maggie Pie

Ever since seeing the home video of Motley Crue drummer Tommy Lee with girlfrend Pammy Anderson, I’ve been a bit of a ‘long distance’ groopy. Tommy and me follow each other on Twitter [weve even swapped pics of each other].
You’ll luv his take on the POTUS – he really is a big fan 🙂

https://twitter.com/MrTommyLand/status/1159200632881856512
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August 10, 2019 10:23am
kevn

@questions… Lawyers must love them. All.
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August 10, 2019 10:27am
thetiedarch

As far as I understand, the current scandals this government is mired in are:
-Green Party blackmailing the labour party to support Let’s Get Welly Moving or else they’ll pull out of government.
-NZ First pulling the rug from under the Abortion debate last minute and demanding a referendum.
-Leaders office staffer or similar making unwanted sexual advances on government staff, threatening them etc. Multiple complaints made. Nothing done about it. Cover up apparent?
-The PM putting her foot in her mouth and potentially screwing over all previous Waitangi Tribunal settlements and general property law, by deciding to get involved in Ihaumata.

Did we all collectively imagine these?!?!?

Because it bloody feels like I did!?!?

There’s almost zero being reported in Stuff and Herald. What’s going on?!
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August 10, 2019 10:29am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  There’s almost zero being reported in Stuff and Herald. What’s going on?!
  
  All the MSM luvvies are busy rewriting their cvs and Linked-in pages; sending out job applications; and wiping their fawning twitter tweets.
  
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  August 10, 2019 11:22am
- namron
  
  Don’t forget the delayed trial of the Labour Youth Camp Sexual complaints.
  This trial is expected to eventually take place 19 months after the Camp happened.
  It is also illuminating the number of reports of the Camp that have now been deleted.
  
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  August 10, 2019 1:32pm
  - sooty
    
    That’s certainly going to hilight the present Labour sex case!
    
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    August 10, 2019 4:31pm
- Nermal
  
  Organisations like Stuff &Herald used to report News, now they only report opinions. That’s why we now go to blogs, because they still report news
  
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  August 10, 2019 4:42pm
MrTips

Oh dear. My AirNZ app got phisted and instead of my planned flight schedule, I’m now booked to Nairobi for a meeting with Prosperous Smiletrain to discuss a business opportunity. I wonder if I can get a recognition upgrade to a hotel that has a functioning toilet.
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August 10, 2019 10:31am
Jack5

Wasn’t ~~Judas~~ Winston Peters going to reduce the inflow of refugees – all handpicked by the United Nations?

As New Zealand’s intake of refugees increases, more will be settled in regions and small towns, Stuff reports today.

The inflow is going to get bigger, perhaps much bigger if this is any indication: an interview with one Namrud Asrat, 36, an Eritrean refugee:

” … he hoped the New Zealand Government would help more refugees move here, because not having family nearby is the hardest thing for us.”

Nasrat misses his wife and family (Stuff doesn’t report how many children), and his parents.

The refugee immigration surge is going to have a long tail as families and extended families are brought in. Previously, many used New Zealand as a stop-over on the way to Australia, but the Aussies are tightening up on their New Zealand back door.
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August 10, 2019 10:58am
- stephieboy
  
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  Jack5 , have got off your butt and done someting about lobbying for a quota of Christian and Yazidis from the ME?
  
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  August 10, 2019 11:11am
  - Swifty
    
    Who the hell cares?
    
    Yawn!!!!
    
    Lol!!
    
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    August 10, 2019 11:42am
  - Jack5
    
    Look Stephie X, you may think I should be lobbying for a bigger quota for Stephiestan.
    
    But seeing how the Stephies bugger up our online media, my answer remains: Sorry, not just now. ?
    
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    August 10, 2019 11:44am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Great to know Whanganui welcomes immigrants…
  
  https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/whanganui-welcomes-refugee-resettlement
  
  Oh, Woops….
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/395631/meeting-halted-after-iwi-leader-says-city-not-ready-for-refugees
  
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  August 10, 2019 11:26am
- Swifty
  
  Why would one run out, alone, on their wife, family, parents, friends and country?
  
  I just cannot conceive of a situation where I’d do that.
  
  At the very least it would be women and children first. Wouldn’t it?
  
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  August 10, 2019 11:35am
  - Tall Man
    
    For some, they want to get somewhere, start a new life and get stuck in.
    
    For others they just want to get somewhere where they can be supported by others and retain their old ways and old bad habits and force others to accept their ways.
    
    ardern wants more of the latter as “welfare” breeds dependency and therefore labour voters.
    
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    August 10, 2019 12:19pm
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    Give ardern another term and you may understand …..
    
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    August 10, 2019 4:39pm
Jack5

Here’s more on our media’s immigration stance:

One of Stuff’s New Age males, Grant Shimmin, whose primary job seems to be desk journalist in one of Stuff’s provincial newspapers, admits in the Christchurch Press today that he wrote the headline on the Stuff column this week by the anti-Western scribbler, Donna Miles-Mojab.

It read: “New Zealanders’ white anxiety needs a democratic outlet.”

Well, Shimmin, it does. That outlet would be a return of a newspaper chain that reflect middle New Zealand rather than the ill-informed, biased Left.

Shimmin describes Miles-Mojab as an Iranian immigrant to New Zealand. In fact, she was born in Scotland, though her parents were Iranian. She’s one of the local-born first generation of the Muslim inflow into the West that illustrates the difficulty of integrating Muslims into the West compared with immigrants from other Western countries, and even compared with assimilating Chinese, Indian, and Japanese.

Shimmin says in part of his own views: “The more diversity I see and experience, the more realise it’s the way things should be.”

If Shimmin is still a desk journo on Stuff’s Timaru newspaper, he won’t see a helluva lot of diversity in that town. Even New Zealand as a whole is ranked between 102 and about 140 in diversity in these two rankings on Wikipedia. The lists are a few years behind, but NZ cannot have become a diversity leader in the time since then:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_ranked_by_ethnic_and_cultural_diversity_level

You can get an idea of the politics of Miles-Mojab in this Radio NZ talk where she is appearing at a Christchurch book festival with the British Muslim writer Ed Husain:

https://www.rnz.co.nz/audio/player?audio_id=2018691604
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August 10, 2019 11:41am
chuk

I think we need to see more investigation into the case of the baby who died after its mother drank alcohol. Baby Sapphire was reported as having more than six times the legal blood alcohol limit for an adult driver. That is a lot of alcohol.

Did the alcohol in the baby all get there via the mother’s breast milk or was the baby made to ingest alcohol directly?

From https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/322631.php “Research shows that only about 5 to 6 percent of the amount of alcohol in the mother’s bloodstream enters the baby’s bloodstream via breast milk”.
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August 10, 2019 12:05pm
- Straight arrow
  
  Rough calculation, but less than half a 330ml can of premix could account for alcohol in baby.
  Given the length of time the mother was drinking (18 cans), and that the baby had underlying medical issues (and hence cried a lot), is it possible that she dabbed enough on the baby’s gums to reach that volume of premix? Would explain why alcohol not found in stomach.
  
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  August 10, 2019 4:02pm
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    But there was a high alcohol content in the baby’s heart tissue and liver.
    
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    August 10, 2019 4:47pm
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      Yes, because most of alcohol entered bloodstream via mouth, then to heart tissue and liver. I don’t think alcohol would pass backwards from bloodstream into stomach.
      
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      August 10, 2019 4:56pm
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        If the babe had received a vol of alcohol some time before a breast-feed, excess alcohol that had not been metabolised would be in liver and other body tissues.
        
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        August 10, 2019 6:18pm
stephieboy

Does this mad rant by Alex Jones have any relevancy to God’s own?

1776 WILL COMMENCE AGAIN!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjhWf-9x7GM
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August 10, 2019 12:27pm
Happychappy

You knew something was not quite right in the Green Party when James Shaw was told by his supporters to remove the hit advert from the media on taking the micky out of Simon Bridge over the way he speaks , but it seems there is a lot of open wounds in the Party that James Shaw needs to address.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/the-detail/114901312/the-detail-green-party-struggles-with-its-identity-as-discontent-rears-its-head
This could be the downfall of the Greens at the next Election as the whispers seem to be getting louder.
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August 10, 2019 12:41pm
- Tall Man
  
  I think they are struggling for relevancy as they have left “the environment” way behind in their desire to be the party of the “poor”.
  
  There is no was a green party with a shred of integrity would have allowed “what’s in it for wynston” to eliminate any chance of the “Kermadec Reserve” happening and there is no way a true green could have ever supported “benefit fraud” being acceptable.
  
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  August 10, 2019 1:22pm
- The Feed
  
  Who knows where the Green Party would be today had they stuck to the original course. Anchored by the straighter, pragmatic Rod Donald approach, and focused on the environment. They’d likely be Labours equal, if not ahead.
  
  Instead, they’re likely to become a footnote in NZs political history. They lost the vision, got hijacked and ate themselves.
  
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  August 10, 2019 1:39pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Oh dear, The Greens and their issues are now middle-class and mainstream.
  
  Hip, young folk are never attracted to “Establishment” politics.
  
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  August 10, 2019 1:58pm
Ross12

Some interesting poll results about attitudes etc. of young voters in the UK, from quite a large poll.
Not what the MSM present us.
It would be interesting to see what the NZ equivalent poll would show. My guess is the NZ young are little behind the UK in the change of views.

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/08/09/poll-majority-young-voters-reject-liberalism-want-strong-leaders/
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August 10, 2019 12:49pm
KevO'Brien

I enjoy youthing. Today I start my 81st over, I am truly blest since re-marriage nearly 19 years ago. My late wife of 40 years had died only 18 month before from cancer.
I’ve been recycled but not to Grrreeeen standards. If younger I would be leading a Magenta Party to deal with them and the global warming untruths.

I was one of Muldoon’s team in 1975 and nearly turned a Labour stronghold into a marginal seat.
Also I spent 7 years in Samoa and re-created their tax system. That was followed by establishing the Samoa National Provident Fund which has accounts for all earners.

At present I’m partway through writing the memoirs of my first eighty years. I’m an amateur social historian so it may be of wider interest than my grtgchildren. My health is good so expectations are reasonable. My wife is an Anglican Priest.

My best wishes to all.
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August 10, 2019 1:01pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Happy Birthday.
  
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  August 10, 2019 2:01pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Thanks Maggy your contributions are always appreciated.
    
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    August 10, 2019 2:31pm
- Swifty
  
  Congratulations KevO’B.
  
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  August 10, 2019 2:50pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  Happy birthday indeed Kev; eight is a darned good knock, so set your sights on the ton!
  
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  August 10, 2019 2:55pm
- artemisia
  
  And many happy returns. Must confess I had no idea you were at such a ripe age, though your contributions on Kiwiblog are indeed wise and considered.
  
  Always appreciate your views on the tax system, BTW.
  
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  August 10, 2019 4:33pm
- calendar girl
  
  Well done, KO’B. Let us know on KWB when your book is published. Got a title for it yet?
  
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  August 10, 2019 4:40pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    My First Eighty Years.
    
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    August 10, 2019 5:06pm
    - Happychappy
      
      Well done and many more of them.
      
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      August 10, 2019 5:47pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Thanks all.
        I am surprised I have gotten this far–planning life is almost impossible.
        Blessings and good night.
        
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        August 10, 2019 9:49pm
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      Well done.
      And here’s to your next 80 years.
      
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      August 10, 2019 9:32pm
Straight arrow

Herald’s suggested options for Ihumatao.

One: Fletcher could gift the land to Iwi
No, as they are responsible to shareholders. Cannot just give $36m away. Iwi want the development.

Two: Government purchase the land and return it to mana whenua.
I note that “mana whenua” is being used, as trying to make trespasser NIMBYs legitimate. Cannot “return” it as these people never owned it. Te Kawerau a Maki (actual legitimate Iwi) has had a settlement, which included compensation (again) for land confiscated. Giving this land to them would open floodgates to other settlements being re-litigated.
“The reason private land had been excluded from negotiations was arbitrary and made no sense if there was a willing seller as in this case”, [Professor Margaret] Mutu said. Not arbitrary, as based on two wrongs don’t make a right. While in this case we know the owner is willing to sell (at a price) we don’t know if in future cases there is backroom pressure put on owner (no future contracts with government, re-zoning of land, “incentives” not directly linked with “disputed” land).

Three: Auckland Council could purchase the land and return it to mana whenua. Some land could be allocated for Maori housing.
Open to judicial review as not best use of council money. How will ratepayers accept paying #36m for a now worthless piece of land? Also, SOUL exists to prevent housing, so a no go.

Four: The status quo. A solution reached between all parties would likely need to see a greater area of land protected but with some housing options for mana whenua.
Again, the NIMBYs are against ANY housing. There is already a solution reached between all parties with a legitimate interest.

There is a solution: it is called apply and enforce the law, and protect the legal rights, under Declaration of Human Rights and NZ Law, of Fletchers, and Te Kawerau a Maki.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12256404
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August 10, 2019 1:45pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Ardern mentioned in Parliament on Tues that the Kingitanga were dealing with it. She suggested strongly that the Govt (meaning her, principally) were out of it.
  
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  August 10, 2019 5:10pm
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    The bottom lines of both Fletchers and Nimbys cannot both be met, no matter who is mediating. Fletchers need to get back investment from either selling (at least $19m they paid for land), or developing. Nimbys cannot even accept one house as destroys basis for their arguments.
    
    Politically, Labour needs to distance itself, as NZ First, ACT and Nats will all make electoral capital at election if they purchase the land.
    
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    August 10, 2019 5:54pm
Maggie Pie

How long until we see this in Mt Roskill I wonder?
Here’s an Islamic Extremeist living in the noble city of Blois, France. He roams the strrets on a donkey because he believes cars are infidel inventions!
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBhHjMUVUAAndWu?format=jpg&name=small

What an ass!!
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August 10, 2019 2:46pm
- rockape
  
  I suppose he knows you cant have sex with a car so made this choice.
  
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  August 10, 2019 3:36pm
- Tall Man
  
  ardern’s onto it. She’ll get the ass here as well….. in 2020.
  
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  August 10, 2019 4:38pm
- Nermal
  
  Probably only uses it to get to and from work
  
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  August 10, 2019 4:50pm
- JibberJabber
  
  Concrete footpaths, tar-sealed roads and welfare benefits are all infidel inventions also.
  BOOM! No Paradise, For YOU!
  
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  August 10, 2019 5:18pm
- fernglas
  
  Gosh. I thought those Amish were quite cute
  
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  August 10, 2019 7:59pm
Greg Ettridge

A comprehensive article on Tarrant in The Age worth a read, guess you are permitted to.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/white-bred-terrorist-the-making-of-a-killer-20190806-p52ee7.html
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August 10, 2019 2:48pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  LOL! The opening paragraph sounds like a description of Jack Tame’s apartment 🙂
  
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  August 10, 2019 2:53pm
  - Greg Ettridge
    
    Good to see you can pick up link although you could with a VPN, I thought authorities may have blocked it, his face is not pixelated and it does cover some of the manifesto, well researched I thought.
    Most comprehensive article I have read since his arrest, and his face is not pixelated, true reporting.
    Left leaning paper but I think balanced in this.
    
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    August 10, 2019 3:17pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Yes, my partner just finished reading the entire thing.
      He sez “Thanks for taking the time to post – its certainly well researched alright”
      
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      August 10, 2019 3:25pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Fascinating reading, especially the techniques employed by those who comment on chan
  blog sites.
  4chan’s anonymity and blokey ecosystem fostered a toxic culture. Many of its boards were soon dominated by virulently sexist and racist conversation and imagery. Above all else, their members despised political correctness. As higher standards of courtesy and respect were adopted in the wider world, their members responded with darker and more hateful language and imagery, normally laden with irony; it is always just a joke.
  
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  August 10, 2019 6:23pm
tranquil

Great video here from Sky News Australia debunking the “human-caused global warming” nonsense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViY2J3LPgN4

An interview with a climate scientist is shown where the following figures are agreed –
1 – The atmosphere is around 0.04 percent CO2.

2 – Of that amount, 97 percent is natural and 3 percent is from “human contributions”. (Remember, this is a climate scientist saying that this is the case).

So, if my maths is correct, just over **one thousandth** (0.04 x 0.03) of the atmosphere consists of “human-generated” CO2.
Even if our contribution were to **quadruple**, that would only be four-thousandths of the atmosphere (and still hugely below the natural contribution).

Call me a pancake and cover me with maple syrup but **that** doesn’t exactly strike me as a cause for *panic*.
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August 10, 2019 6:31pm
nasska

…..”Above all else, their members despised political correctness”…..

Never been to 4chan but it sounds like they’ve got something right.
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August 10, 2019 6:58pm
Rich Prick

Epstein dead. Now there’s a surprise. We were running a sweep on how long it would be before he was added to the Clinton hit list. Dirty old Bill won’t be worrying about any troublesome testimony now.
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- record guy
  
  Given he already attempted it once you would think he would be closely watched
  
  I guess it’s an easy end – not for Epstein, but those who are alleged to have participated in his sex fest
  
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