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BrownSnake

Good Morning Sheep Lovers

What is the corrupt useless incompetent Government of Aotearoa NZ doing today?

Let me Guess

Preparing to ensure all of NZ’s productive Farm Land is sold on the Cheap to their Chinese
Communist … Buddies

or is that Statement too excuse the Pun

Back handed?
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July 9, 2019 8:04am
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  BBC
  The 60s called: they want there sheep jokes back.
  
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  July 9, 2019 12:46pm
cmm

“On Monday lunchtime in Taupo’s Suncourt Plaza, a man calmly walked into Pilbrows Watch and Clock Restorations, allegedly smashing the door of a glass display cabinet with a small crowbar and scooping Rolex and Omega watches into a plastic supermarket shopping basket.”

Whew! al least he wasn’t using a plastic bag. Thanks PriNZess.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/114084529/taup-shopkeeper-tackles-man-after-smash-and-grab
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July 9, 2019 8:05am
- Tall Man
  
  He should be incarcerated until he names his accomplice.
  
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  July 9, 2019 8:31am
  - freethinker
    
    Thumbscrews – cheap & very effective – can also be adapted to fit on other body parts.
    
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    July 9, 2019 1:41pm
- kloyd0306
  
  It can’t have been green – Countdown don’t trust their customers to take them out of their stores.
  
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  July 9, 2019 9:49am
Than

I’m glad the Christchurch City Council has decided to go with a plain pedestrian bridge across the Avon. With apologies to the artists (who I’m sure put a lot of effort into their submissions), most of the designs pictured in the article are butt ugly.

The Graham Bennett design looks like you’re walking through a dinosaur skeleton.

The Julia Morison’s design requires a framework of industrial looking pipes, plus the mist created would ruin the view of the river and its banks.

The UoC design (is this is the same as the Warren/Mahoney bridge inspired by an eel trap?) looks like a giant poo, and almost completely blocks the view of the river.

The Ben Foster design isn’t too bad. I wouldn’t mind if they went with that one.

The river itself and its banks are by far the best part of the view here. Keep the river clean and the landscaping maintained, and a simple bridge that fades into the background will create a much better scene than some try-hard “look at me” artistic bridge design.
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July 9, 2019 8:06am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Good. This is a city utility not a freakout zone. The local trout and eels may have liked the water bath crossing version.
  
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  July 9, 2019 9:07am
  - Kevin Herlihy
    
    New Plymouth has an interesting bridge in their local parklands, Te Rewa Rewa bridge. A design that evokes a sense of the wind, it is quite spectacular.
    
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    July 9, 2019 10:49am
- Wayne
  
  I thought many of the designs were cool.
  
  Creativity by committee never works however.
  
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  July 9, 2019 9:07am
- Overworked
  
  The Ben Foster design isn’t safe. Angled wooden base will result in more than a few broken hips.
  
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  July 9, 2019 12:17pm
rangitoto

News from the DM.

Eco-friendly drinking straw kills woman.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7224677/Retired-jockey-died-fell-eco-friendly-metal-drinking-straw.html

and

Deutsche Bank to lay off 18,000 staff worldwide.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7223973/Deutsche-Banks-London-staff-told-clear-desks-11am.html
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July 9, 2019 8:12am
- sooty
  
  Now if that straw had been plastic it would have bent out of shape and saved her live!
  A paper one would have gone straight in the bin, again saving her life!
  
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  July 9, 2019 9:31am
  - Ross12
    
    On top of that sooty, those metal straws have to be the most unhygienic things around. A normal dishwasher (commercial or household) would not clean it –especially after a something like a milkshake.
    
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    July 9, 2019 12:27pm
BrownSnake

Ah NZ what a Great Country

The Country that gave to the World

Naturalist Socialist Sheep Farming

http://www.eastasianhistory.org/sites/default/files/article-content/09/EAH09_05.pdf

Page 7 of the Pdf you commos like pdf’s and think
they have magic Powers

Alley ran a sheep farm for six years on marginal land in the ‘razorback hills’ of Moeawatea

There he is NZ Great Socialist Hero running around his Sheep Farm Starkers

The First the Greatest

NZ’s Greatest Naturalist Socialist Sheep Farmer
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July 9, 2019 8:12am
- Swifty
  
  Hic
  
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  July 9, 2019 8:39am
  - BrownSnake
    
    Come on Mate you like the Idea
    of Naked Sheep Farming
    
    Admit it
    
    You would be good at that you Winston
    and Jacinda
    
    Chasing your woolly friends around the farm
    
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    July 9, 2019 10:17am
    - Swifty
      
      Its why wide-mouth gumboots were invented.
      
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      July 9, 2019 11:18am
- SGA
  
  Naturalist Socialist Sheep Farming
  
  Does that mean naked shepherds? I hope that they at least wear their red bands.
  
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  July 9, 2019 10:17am
  - Tall Man
    
    Of course you stupid boy, they’re the only thing that keep the back legs in place…..
    
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    July 9, 2019 8:54pm
- The Proper Ghandi
  
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  Why is your comment in bullet point format?
  
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  July 9, 2019 12:49pm
cmm

Stuff outstuffing themselves again:

Picture of white bloke making a fist to go with two typical Kiwis attacking an Aussie bloke: Saimone Lausii Kala, 29, and Oueni Pomana, 47.

Apparently Pomana, the aggressor, had no entrenched history of violence (well other than a wee assault conviction in 2009) and works as a counsellor.

Only two assault convictions, so he is deemed to have a low risk of reoffending.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/114087480/kiwi-pair-jailed-over-fatal-pub-attack-in-australia
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July 9, 2019 8:13am
- sooty
  
  More deportees!
  
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  July 9, 2019 8:17am
  - Tall Man
    
    The worst part of this is that this tosser will be singing…. again… and again… and again.
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQlVmvXAGLI
    
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    July 9, 2019 8:33am
    - freethinker
      
      Dobbin also fancies himself as an economist – Dobbin was UK slang for a stoopid horse, fits Dave to a tee.
      
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      July 9, 2019 1:51pm
  - Happychappy
    
    More crime!
    
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    July 9, 2019 8:50am
- BrownSnake
  
  This is who the Government of NZ is behind
  
  LOW LIFE KIWI SCUM OF THE EARTH
  
  DEAD BEATS
  
  The Terrorist is AUS are pretty bad
  
  But hey NZ
  
  THE KIWIS ARE WORSE
  
  Maybe the NZ Government can
  
  TALK TO FRANCE
  
  on this one
  
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  July 9, 2019 8:46am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Yawwwwwnnnnnnn
    
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    July 9, 2019 9:40am
    - igm
      
      Hardly Kiwis with those names . . . maybe send them back to their countries of origin and revoke their easily obtained citizenships.
      
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      July 9, 2019 9:56am
  - rangitoto
    
    Nurse!
    
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    July 9, 2019 11:09am
- greybeard
  
  That disparity between the photo of a white fist and the names of the two ‘kiwis’ should be enough to make a complaint to the Race Relations Commissioner.
  Oh, wait…..
  
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  July 9, 2019 9:03am
- BrownSnake
  
  Hey Do Kiwi Scum of the Earth
  
  Still Burn Australian Woman to death in the boots
  of their Cars
  
  Ah NZ the TOURIST Paradise
  
  The Clean Green
  
  A HOLE OF THE WORLD
  
  FULL OF
  
  A HOLES
  
  Run by
  
  A HOLES
  
  for
  
  A HOLES
  
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  July 9, 2019 10:18am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Brown Snake – it’s 10.38am. Put the lid back into the bottle, and go and have a sleep.
    
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    July 9, 2019 10:38am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    You need help bro’
    
    Suggested in a caring way . . .
    
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    July 9, 2019 11:15am
BobbyS

But cmm therin lies the issue with this VS Plastic Bag ban
Because the crimal is dumb he would, previous to Monday, used a plastic bag to put the loot in to, which in turn knowing he is a greedy criminal had stuffed in too much loot and therefore the <70 micron bag would have torn & strewn the loot all over the ground. Forcing him to run out of the shop with bugger all
So in effect the plastic bag ban has made stolen goods hauls even greater – unintended consequences!!
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July 9, 2019 8:16am
Yvette

There seems to be very little information or updates in the media on the Pike River drift re-entry.

Of the millions of taxpayer dollars allocated to this project, is there no finance for a few diagrams or photographs to inform anyone of what is happening?

Drift from 30m – 170m examined, nothing found
Significant dewatering infrastructure was installed in this area, to assist with the volumes of water running down the mine drift. This includes two weirs, gabion baskets, concrete blocks and “grizzlies” that filter heavier material from water.
“Because of this, there were no expectations that items of interest would be found in this area, and New Zealand Police have confirmed this is the case,” Mr Pattinson says. – Tuesday 25 June 2019, Pike River Recovery Agency

How much water does flow down the drift?
Significant dewatering infrastructure was installed in this area,
Was any of this infrastructure installed prior to re-entry, or has the drift been approximately 8 years and 6 months without a weir or silt bed?
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July 9, 2019 8:18am
- sooty
  
  Because they were driving vehicles in the 2.3km to get to work at the worksite,they had to leave the drifit open for worksite utes etc.
  So they have put some dams across the drift to help control the water.
  
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  July 9, 2019 9:37am
- KiWombat
  
  They have gone into the mine less than the length of two rugby fields, and the first half of that could be seen with am Eveready torch from outside the entrance.
  If the same rate of progress continues it will be several decades before they even get close to the site of the event. I hope they give up on this fruitless venture, and leave the remains of those who died forever with their mates !
  
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  July 9, 2019 9:40am
  - Prince
    
    There is plenty more positive media reporting to be mined here for Labour. Andy will keep this going as long as no one asks the uncomfortable questions.
    
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    July 9, 2019 11:27am
- KiWombat
  
  – I should add that there does not appear to have been any significant activity at the mine site since a large number of cement trucks were seen driving into the site about six weeks ago !
  
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  July 9, 2019 9:42am
Fletch

Nanny State govt strikes again –

The Government is signalling its intention to slash the price of imported electric and hybrid vehicles by up to $8000 in a bid to make greener cars cheaper for Kiwis.

But it is also planning to slap a new fee of up to $3000 on the import of vehicles with the highest greenhouse gas emissions.

The Government has today opened a six-week consultation period before it introduces new legislation in Parliament later this year.

The plan, according to Associate Transport Minister Julie Anne Genter, will get more Kiwis into cleaner vehicles by reducing some of the cost burden.

It would come into force in 2021.

[…]

A $22,000 Toyota Hiace would cost an extra $1400 after the fee was applied.

[…]

Yhe move comes after the draft Independent Climate Change Committee’s (ICCC) report into how New Zealand can reach the 100 per cent renewable target, obtained by the Herald, revealed the committee recommended the Government prioritises getting more electric vehicles on the road over reaching 100 per cent renewable energy by 2035.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/front-page-top-stories/news/article.cfm?c_id=698&objectid=12247724&ref=rss

Bugger these people and their making policy on the back of UN recommendations based on climate change.
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July 9, 2019 8:21am
- rightoverlabour
  
  Yup I can see this kind of thing going down well in poorer Auckland communities where they need minibuses to cart around the family. Morons.
  
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  July 9, 2019 8:34am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    ~~Morons~~ Mormons.
    
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    July 9, 2019 9:44am
  - Overworked
    
    It will take a lot more than a hit to the pocket for entrenched Labour voters to shift their semi-religious delusion that Jacinda is looking after them.
    
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    July 9, 2019 12:20pm
    - Paulus
      
      Jacinda appears to be on Holiday in the Cook Islands.
      Good on her – assume she is going to all the kindergartens there to drum up votes and distribute Winston’s largess.
      
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      July 9, 2019 1:48pm
- Fletch
  
  ps, JAG is the minister who likes to ride for work on her bike (and also when she is due to give birth to a baby). These are the sort of ideological nuts we are dealing with.
  
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  July 9, 2019 8:35am
  - Tall Man
    
    The “bike thing” was done with a car load of reporters trailing behind her.
    
    Check out her “limousine” miles plus air miles at our expense.
    
    Like most in this coalition, she is little more than a troughing hypocrite.
    
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    July 9, 2019 9:35am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Bro – small price to pay for saving the planet. Suck it in pay the taxes. People in China and India can happily burn coal.
  
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  July 9, 2019 8:45am
- brett68
  
  I’d be stunned if Bridges doesn’t come out and say National supports this initiative.
  
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  July 9, 2019 8:45am
  - Tall Man
    
    I’d be stunned if you made an effort to stifle your hatred of the only man capable of ending this coalition of liars.
    
    Just man up and declare that you are nothing more than a closet lefty trying to con the rest of us.
    
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    July 9, 2019 9:36am
    - Komata
      
      Tall man@0936
      
      Concerning Mr Bridges:
      
      Regrettably (and I say this as a long-time National Party supporter), Simon DOES come across as ineffective and sadly, very unforgettable . He is also perceived as being very little different in his beliefs to those held by the COL, and indeed, seems to agree with way too many of those they are implementing.
      
      In the absence of any leader with charisma, the Nats are likely to remain in opposition for some time yet.
      
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      July 9, 2019 9:57am
      - Tall Man
        
        I would never put Simon Bridges down as a charismatic leader and if that is all the voter of NZ wants then we are permanently screwed.
        
        He is the leader of the National party and they, unlike labour, are not a one trick pony.
        
        Look at the front bench of labour including the drunk charlatan and list one person that would have risen above the rank of a low end middle manager at a local op shop.
        
        National, on the other hand, present a formidable team and my belief is that Simon is holding himself and them back a tad until he deems it time to launch the campaign be that this year or early next.
        
        I have stated many times that all the “body blows” landed thus far will all be forgotten but the apologetic numbnuts we all know as labour, watermelon and “what’s in it for wynston” supporters.
        
        However, a concerted and sustained attack prior to the election for say 9 or 6 months will have a devastating effect.
        
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        July 9, 2019 2:29pm
    - brett68
      
      My dislike for Bridges and the path he’s taking National doesn’t make me a left winger.
      
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      July 9, 2019 9:57am
      - Tall Man
        
        I don’t know about that. You have a thinly disguised dislike for Simon Bridges and he is the leader of the only party capable of restoring some semblance of order to our economy.
        
        Continual carping makes you look pretty left wing to me.
        
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        July 9, 2019 2:31pm
      - brett68
        
        You have a thinly disguised dislike for Simon Bridges
        
        Really? looks like I’ll have to be a bit blunter in my posts, I thought I’d made it fairly clear I thought he’s a disingenuous, untrustworthy clown and I wouldn’t trust the guy to be in charge of running a bath.
        
        Thanks bud, I’ll be more forthright going forward
        
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        July 9, 2019 7:15pm
      - Tall Man
        
        I was being polite brett. Your stance is stupid and if you’re not a closet lefty I’ll go he.
        
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        July 9, 2019 9:16pm
- srylands
  
  Fully electric cars are not practical for people that can only afford one car. You either need to be happy to never leave town, or have an SUV in the garage for road trips.
  
  Plug in hybrids are much more practical, but expensive.
  
  The average age of New Zealand cars is 14 years. That means that the average value of a New Zealand car is about $6,000! So the risk of this scheme is that it is a subsidy to rich people. I might be wrong. It will be interesting to see the Regulatory Impact Statement that accompanies the Bill.
  
  Ironically the nation with the highest electric vehicle use is Norway, on the back of huge subsidies. Financed by the wealth generated by exporting lots and lots of petroleum. 🙂
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plug-in_electric_vehicles_in_Norway
  
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  July 9, 2019 8:55am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Yep
    Little evs all over the place.
    Might be why so many footpaths are being torn up… To install charging stations.
    However as most folks in the big cities live in apartments with no parking/garage spaces… I s’pose it is only the rich and upper middle class that own them.
    
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    July 9, 2019 9:21am
    - sooty
      
      Not much use if you can’t charge them.
      
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      July 9, 2019 9:39am
      - Paulus
        
        And where do you get rid of the batteries ?
        
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        July 9, 2019 1:50pm
  - Ed Snack
    
    Anyone seen an updated analysis of the lifetime environmental impact of EV’s compared to standard petrol powered vehicles ?
    
    Last one I saw concluded that over its lifetime, a standard EV had an impact somewhere between a Jeep Chreokee (the V8 version) and a Hummer. So once again a policy designed to increase the negative environmental impact of human activity because of the feelz.
    
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    July 9, 2019 9:32am
    - mark15
      
      Ed
      Most of a car’s ‘ecological/carbon footprint’ is during production.
      Therefore,it is ‘better’ to drive it until you can’t repair it anymore.
      Not better for other road users,but as long as we’re saving the planet,right?
      
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      July 9, 2019 12:22pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        Also the materials used, and the disposal/dismantling costs. Whole life cycle is what we’re talking of here – if using and discarding when it breaks significantly is the most economically and environmentally efficient, then why should we not do that ? In practice, that’s what happens, do you spend $5K rebuilding the engine and transmission in your $4K value old run-about ?
        
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        July 9, 2019 12:42pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Really interesting article on EV economics, and how they are tracking to almost inevitably become the cheapest option:
    https://cleantechnica.com/2019/02/25/the-osborne-effect-on-the-auto-industry/
    
    No EV subsidies are required. Economics will do the job without assistance
    
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    July 9, 2019 9:50am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      What happens if rechargeable EV’s are obsolete in 10 years?
      
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      July 9, 2019 4:44pm
  - SGA
    
    Fully electric cars are not practical for people that can only afford one car.
    
    Or, if you don’t have off street parking.
    
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    July 9, 2019 10:19am
    - Ruawai
      
      Park on the berm and run an extension lead. as long as not in Auckland.
      
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      July 9, 2019 11:02am
      - SGA
        
        If you have a berm, the length of the extension lead isn’t prohibitively long, and you trust no-one is going to steal anything (including the electrickity). 🙂
        
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        July 9, 2019 11:47am
- Ross12
  
  I note Genter says the move would be revenue neutral –so does that mean the EV owners will start paying a form of road user tax ? Otherwise it can never be “revenue neutral”.
  I wonder what the other side of the Green Party think –the ones that go on and on about the poor, because yet again this is a Green policy which will help the” wealthy latte drinkers” at the expense of the poorer members of our community.
  BTW I read where EV sales in some European countries are falling as the subsidies are removed or there is talk of them being removed.
  
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  July 9, 2019 9:04am
  - Tall Man
    
    40,000 ish new cars sold last year.
    
    700 EVs.
    
    You do the maths………
    
    $3,000 “fine” not tax for buying a petrol/diesel vehicle, $8,000 discount for buying an EV….
    
    Perhaps genter is trying to boost her husband’s earnings yet again.
    
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    July 9, 2019 9:50am
    - Ross12
      
      Tall Man
      There are a lot of EV’s in Wellington so possibly half of the 700 are in the the greater Wellington area.
      
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      July 9, 2019 11:15am
      - tf78
        
        I wonder how many of the EV imports were purchased by local councils.
        
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        July 9, 2019 12:26pm
    - Batman
      
      It’s not that black and white. It’s graded so the maximum either way is a $8k subsidy or a $3k tax.
      
      Most Utes etc are commercially sold, so I doubt that companies will quibble when $1400 gets added to a $41k Ford Ranger that they’re already writing off as a business expense for tax purposes etc.
      
      Frankly, anything that encourages the middle classes to opt for a sensible hatchback or wagon over a stupid mid or full-size SUV is a good thing!
      
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      July 9, 2019 11:24am
      - Tall Man
        
        Anything else you’d like to organise for us?
        
        How about I choose what I want and you choose what you want… Too democratic for you?
        
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        July 9, 2019 2:33pm
    - SGA
      
      40,000 ish new cars sold last year.
      700 EVs.
      You do the maths………
      
      So a lot of the EVs coming onto the road are 2nd hand Japanese imports? When they talk about “imported” cars, is that only brand new ones (I genuinely don’t know)?
      
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      July 9, 2019 11:53am
      - Tall Man
        
        Pretty sure it is new vehicles.
        
        I would be fairly certain that the “import market” wouldn’t be that different as a used EV is even less desirable than a new one.
        
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        July 9, 2019 2:35pm
      - SGA
        
        You might be right. Most of the people I know have second hand ones, but it’s a very small sample.
        
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        July 9, 2019 3:36pm
  - G152
    
    This is communist ideology from the green thing.
    We’re all going to be equally broke and walking.
    
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    July 9, 2019 9:53am
- graham
  
  As per srylands, if you can only afford one car than your use cases have to be pretty limited to choose an electric car.
  
  One issue that occurs to me is that NZ’ers are great ones for towing things – boats, trailers, caravans. As I understand it, the majority of electric cars are simply not up to towing anything heavy – and if they can tow then the range is greatly reduced.
  
  So unless you’re prepared to pay mega-bucks for a Tesla SUV which is rated for towing, in the immediate future you’re still going to need a REAL car.
  
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  July 9, 2019 9:15am
  - sooty
    
    Does the PM, still have her Tesla?
    Who paid for it?
    
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    July 9, 2019 9:41am
    - Batman
      
      I believe they have a Hyundai Ioniq, and presumably it is the Ministerial self-drive car which she is entitled to.
      
      Though at $60k new it might be over the price cap.
      
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      July 9, 2019 11:36am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      The lawn mowing business
      
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      July 9, 2019 11:55am
  - Ruawai
    
    But at the bach there is often no garage so where will these EV utes be charged?
    
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    July 9, 2019 11:04am
    - Batman
      
      Uhhhmmmm I don’t know if you know this but you can charge electric cars outside, they’re designed to do this. You just need to run a cord to them
      
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      July 9, 2019 11:38am
      - Paulus
        
        Do you not have to have an electrician built power point ($1,900) – you cannot charge from a domestic power point I understand.
        
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        July 9, 2019 1:54pm
      - Batman
        
        You can, just very slowly….
        
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        July 9, 2019 1:58pm
- alloytoo
  
  This policy seems directly aimed at penalizing Tradies who favour large vans or Utes and of course Farmers.
  
  It’s an attack on the NZ economy.
  
  Should do wonders for business confidence.
  
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  July 9, 2019 10:39am
- tf78
  
  Thank goodness we have 2020 elections before that.
  
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  July 9, 2019 10:45am
- coge
  
  These types of policies will have the knock on effect of increasing the prices of secondhand cars. As the new vehicle market gets screwed over. Punishing the poor, like only Labour can.
  
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  July 9, 2019 11:17am
  - Prince
    
    I understood the CoL had set up some sort of review of any policies to ensure they don’t punish the ‘most vulnerable’.
    Did this policy slip through somehow, or is that review committee timed for 2024 ?
    
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    July 9, 2019 11:32am
    - coge
      
      Oh, “That” policy.
      
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      July 9, 2019 12:19pm
- Piniwi
  
  Amazing Fletch @8.12 am as this crazy plan is yet another example of this mad COL attempting to do too much in haste amid growing fears of only having a single term. It would also seem to hold the potential for the greatest collection of unintended consequences that might only be topped by the legalization of dope.
  
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  July 9, 2019 12:42pm
oldgolfer

Note the government has effectively stalled future sales of electric or hybrid vehicles by indicating it will introduce legislation to make them cheaper – who will buy one before the rules come in?
Meanwhile, sales of utes, for which a levy will be added, will fly out the door before the price increases.
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July 9, 2019 8:21am
- Andrei
  
  People who buy vehicles disapproved of by the Government will be made to subsidize the people who buy the ones the do approve of.
  
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  July 9, 2019 8:39am
- greybeard
  
  As for nearly all of the CoL’s ‘plans’ it would not come into effect until 2021, after National are back in.
  Note that no mention is made of buses , boats, trains, tractors, construction equipment etc etc.
  Too hard for them ?
  Just another ‘plan’ which has not been fully thought-through and which will have unintended consequences.
  
  When asked by Tim Dower this morning on the Hosking show, Winston did not know what sort of car he drove !
  Nor did he know when Jacinda ( his boss ) was for the week, while he is in charge !.
  
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  July 9, 2019 9:00am
  - srylands
    
    “Winston did not know what sort of car he drove !”
    
    seriously?
    
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    July 9, 2019 9:14am
    - Tall Man
      
      The only thing “what’s in it for wynston” actually knows is where his next bauble is coming from.
      
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      July 9, 2019 9:45am
    - sooty
      
      Cause he does not know what he drives!
      Whinestone has not driven since he came to power. He sits in the back of a limo, with comfy, heated, leather seats!
      
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      July 9, 2019 9:45am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Yes seriously. He thinks it’s a Mitsubishi but has no idea what model.
      
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      July 9, 2019 9:49am
      - srylands
        
        I don’t know quite what t make of that. I find it difficult to believe. Most cars have badging. There is also a rego sticker on the windshield that tells you the make and model.
        
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        July 9, 2019 9:53am
      - Batman
        
        This sounds 100% legit. His partner will organise all of the meaningless flim-flam such as vehicles and driving.
        
        Winston only focuses on what’s truly important, claiming credit for the falling dollar and assuring us all that Simon Bridges is very guilty of something and all will become clear very soon! ??
        
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        July 9, 2019 12:26pm
    - Swifty
      
      Or he does, but just didn’t want to say.
      
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      July 9, 2019 9:50am
    - Rich Prick
      
      Like my father, he’d probably struggle to remember where he last parked it.
      
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      July 9, 2019 10:11am
      - Tall Man
        
        To be fair Richie, why the fuck should your father keep tabs on “what’s in it for wynston” ‘s car? 😉
        
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        July 9, 2019 2:38pm
    - Ruawai
      
      When you google images of Winston and vehicle looks like it is a BMW X5 or some other SUV.
      
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      July 9, 2019 11:08am
    - Paulus
      
      Winston’s partner who does the non Government chauffeur driving has a large St Mary’s Bay Tractor.
      
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      July 9, 2019 1:56pm
    - greybeard
      
      Tune in to the delayed NewstalkZB session and listen.
      I think you will find it in the 7:45am-8:00am slot.,
      
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      July 9, 2019 6:23pm
  - chuk
    
    Winston was seriously wrong-footed. It is a topic worth pursuing further, there is clearly something embarrassing in the background.
    
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    July 9, 2019 9:53am
  - tf78
    
    greybeard – Don’t worry Jacinda’s been sighted in Rarotonga with Clarkie boy for his fishing show shoot. You can sleep well tonight now.
    
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    July 9, 2019 10:47am
- cmm
  
  And all those missing millions driving second-hand people movers will no doubt be delighted to know their next ride is going to cost a few k more.
  
  Along with:
  * rents being pushed up.
  * killing off charter schools at the behest of the unions.
  
  Something tells be the brown vote is going to get a bit more challenging.
  
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  July 9, 2019 9:04am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Free KFC for voting day will ensure the turnout, oh and, extra gravy
    
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    July 9, 2019 11:58am
- RW Capitalist
  
  A few issues not accounted for:
  1. It takes 3x as long to charge a vehicle than to fill one with fuel. So 3x as many charging stations needed to cope with current demand.
  2. Do we have enough electricity supply to charge these vehicles?
  3. Business’ that need utes/vans to operate (like mine, couriers, deliveries etc) will be hurt by this.
  Impacting profits and therefore employment.
  4. Considering the max range of these vehicles is less than fuel, will this limit the distance people can travel on holiday? Tourism impact etc.
  5. Considering EV’s will be concentrated around the cities, how does this impact congestion?
  6.Considering EV’s will not be paying RUC’s (or have they just not told people that yet) and do not use fuel that is taxed/levied. Where will the cost for roading/repairs come from.
  
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  July 9, 2019 9:11am
  - White Anglo Saxon Protestant
    
    Fuel “levies” will be transferred to electricity.
    next question?
    
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    July 9, 2019 9:35am
    - Tall Man
      
      Yeah right……….
      
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      July 9, 2019 9:42am
    - sooty
      
      Better start making power stations!
      
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      July 9, 2019 9:46am
  - Tall Man
    
    “It takes 3x as long to charge a vehicle than to fill one with fuel. ”
    
    Really?
    
    “The time it takes to charge an electric car can be as little as 30 minutes or more than 12 hours. This depends on the size of the battery and the speed of the charging point. A typical electric car (60kWh battery) takes just under 8 hours to charge from empty-to-full with a 7kW charging point.”
    
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    July 9, 2019 9:44am
    - Piniwi
      
      Wow Tall Man @9.44 am perhaps this will be another of those unintended consequences as domestic wiring will need to be upgraded to provide a single 7kw charging point.
      
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      July 9, 2019 12:56pm
  - Sacha
    
    With regard to 4. (above) Perhaps Lime could offer a ‘touring’ program where you could drop off your flat battery Ev, and pick up a recharged one. Not forgetting of course to plug in the flattie before you leave –
    Road trips could become a whole new challenge.
    It could be fun getting from Pongaroa to Herbertville with the caravan though.
    
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    July 9, 2019 10:21am
    - alloytoo
      
      Oh lord imagine the cost of keeping EV’s on hand for swap outs on long journeys…..
      
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      July 9, 2019 10:46am
- kloyd0306
  
  Excellent observation from a fellow golfing tragic.
  
  Maybe their real objective is to squeeze us into smaller and smaller cars then suggest that they are so small they need to be banned altogether (which is their ultimate end game).
  
  My next vehicle will be a 4.6 litre V8 (before 2021).
  
  In other words, stuff ’em.
  
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  July 9, 2019 10:06am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    It you really want to send a message, you could just fill some extra drums of petrol every time you go to the service station and then pour it down the gutter when you get home. That’ll “stuff ’em”.
    
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    July 9, 2019 12:43pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Typical unemployed labour voter aren’t you mikey.
      
      Nasty with it.
      
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      July 9, 2019 8:34pm
All_on_Red

So FBI Agents have raided Epsteins Mansion in New York.
In his safe they found Disks with thousands of photos of young girls.
They also found CDs marked “Young (name) + (name)”
Oh dear.
It’s also being revealed that his ‘Financial Management’ company might be a sham and a front for illegal activity.
No one in Wall Street is aware of him actually investing on behalf of people.
His NY Mansion is valued at $77 million but it seems in the 90’s it was transferred to him by Les Wexner , the Billionaire owner of L Brands, a clothing company which also owns Victoria’s Secrets for the sum of…….$0.
Seems unusual.
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July 9, 2019 8:26am
- rightoverlabour
  
  What an idiot. Keeping photos on disks. Anyone in the IT industry knows that disks eventually degrade… The most reliable long term storage is actually magnetic tape as hrad drives fail after about 7 years. Just not sure of the reliability of ssds now. Any way back to the topic. I hope he is friends of Bubba….
  
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  July 9, 2019 8:31am
- rightoverlabour
  
  I also note that stuff is desperately trying to smear trump in this. I don’t think it’s going to work….. Why wasn’t the headline Prince Andrew instead of trump. He is also mentioned. Fuckers
  
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  July 9, 2019 8:40am
  - All_on_Red
    
    ‘The lawyer for one of the victims of Jeffrey Epstein said President Trump was the “only” high powered person to help him with his investigation, contradicting claims by some that Trump is implicated in Epstein’s crimes.’
    
    The Lawyer, Bradley Edwards was the Prosecuting Attorney in 2009 when this first went to Trial in Florida.
    There’s a Video in the link of an interview with him last year after he defeated Epsteins efforts to have the case thrown out. Trump is mentioned from five minutes in. Trump did this back then. Edwards, when asked if Trump was involved with Epstein and the girls said “not at all”.
    All the Documents from the original case have now been ordered to be unsealed by the Court. These detail the names of all the people accused by the girls. Now that the NY case is underway, more girls are coming forward.
    
    https://summit.news/2019/07/08/lawyer-for-epstein-victim-says-trump-was-only-high-powered-person-who-helped-him/
    
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    July 9, 2019 9:29am
    - All_on_Red
      
      The interview was done by a Reporter from The Palm Beach Daily News.
      
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      July 9, 2019 9:33am
    - stephieboy
      
      Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
      All on Red,
      
      Avoiding this ?
      
      Epstein Arrest Is a Worry for Donald Trump
      
      “The man facing accusations of sex-trafficking and paedophilia has been associated with many high-profile figures, including the U.S. president…”
      
      https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-07-08/jeffrey-epstein-arrest-is-a-worry-for-donald-trump
      
      Why?
      
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      July 9, 2019 9:35am
      - Ed Snack
        
        Why, why would Bloomberg want to try to implicate Trump ? It’s a mystery, to be sure.
        
        Or could they just be part of the “Fake News” circle jerk.
        
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        July 9, 2019 9:41am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Given the above interview with the Prosecuting Attorney clears Trump and reveals his assistance with information about Epstein then it’s pretty obvious Trump is the good guy in this.
        Do try to keep up.
        You really are Kiwiblogs Dumbest Commentator
        Have to say, given your own documented admission of perving at young girls I’m surprised you have the nerve to even comment on this.
        #Pervwatch
        
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        July 9, 2019 9:44am
      - kloyd0306
        
        ..yet you make no mention of Slick Willie and accused (by Juanita Broderick) rapist Bill Clinton?
        
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        July 9, 2019 9:59am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        Why, why would Bloomberg want to try to implicate Trump ? It’s a mystery, to be sure.
        
        Or could they just be part of the “Fake News” circle jerk.
        
        Check out the final paragraph from the Bloomberg story:
        
        If he has anything sordid or compromising that he’s willing to trade about Trump, however, the president could be in for an uncomfortable summer. The public may be interested in that kind of stuff even if prosecutors aren’t.
        
        Fewer than 40 words, and the author has used suppositions such as “if”, “could” and “may” no fewer than three times. I doubt that Trump is going to be in the least bit concerned, if that is the extent of any case against him!
        
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        July 9, 2019 10:45am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    And right on cue, stephieboy plays the “guilt by association” card…
    
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    July 9, 2019 9:43am
    - sooty
      
      Gets shoot down by All On Red aswell!
      That worked well!
      
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      July 9, 2019 9:48am
    - White Anglo Saxon Protestant
      
      Just listening to a discussion between Mike Cernovich and Stefan Molyneux on the arrest. They cover the extent of Trump’s limited interaction with Epstein.
      Stephie could do with another perspective.
      
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      July 9, 2019 10:32am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Cernovich was the one who broke all this. He went to Court in Florida to force the release of the sealed documents and has been working on this for ages.
        
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        July 9, 2019 11:25am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Mike Cernovich as a credible commentator on rape? Right…
        
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        July 9, 2019 12:48pm
- Jules99
  
  ‘Hedge Fund Manager’ could become a euphemism for something else.
  
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  July 9, 2019 8:48am
- Maggie Pie
  
  One of my besties on Twitter has just tweeted this – some real scary stuff coming by the look of things!
  
  https://twitter.com/Blondiedez/status/1147897801197662208
  
  [It may not stay up for long 🙁 ]
  
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  July 9, 2019 8:50am
  - Inandout
    
    MP, before I cancelled, Twitter was sending me emails with stories they ‘liked’, and from that I got their leftist stance. I hope they disappear.
    
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    July 9, 2019 9:20am
Swifty

More taxes from the CoL:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12247724

If you don’t do what we want voluntarily, we’ll force you to do it.
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July 9, 2019 8:30am
MCos

I would expect the new UK PM will replace the lame duck US Ambassador fairly quickly rather than wait until his term expires in six months.
The problem could be if the leaks continue and the next person also has a dim view of the Trump administration.
Even with the the current chap out of the way the repercussions will be an ongoing headache for the UK for as long as Trump remains President.
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July 9, 2019 8:31am
- All_on_Red
  
  Trump likes Boris. As soon as May is gone, there will be a ‘reset’
  So probably only 6 weeks or so.
  
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  July 9, 2019 9:49am
  - MCos
    
    That can change
    He used to ‘like’ Theresa too. Even held her hand.
    
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    July 9, 2019 11:21am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Ho ho ho.
  Good luck finding a new UK ambassador who doesn’t form a dim view of the president.
  Also, if the new UK PM does replace the ambassador, it just looks like craven submission to the wounded ego of the toddler-in-chief.
  
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  July 9, 2019 11:19am
  - MCos
    
    In that respect Boris (presumably) is caught between a rock and a hard place.
    On the one hand he has an ambassador that Trump has all but withdrawn the credentials from and on the other he can’t be seen to cave in to the US; after all he made a song and dance about the UK supposedly caving in to Europe. Hence Brexit.
    
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    July 9, 2019 11:56am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Any ambassador who opens his mouth so loosely should be sacked on the spot. His opinions are irrelevant and damaging to international relations he is paid to maintain.
      
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      July 9, 2019 5:03pm
  - Garbageman
    
    Even toddlers dont cry as much as a triggered man child with TDS
    
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    July 9, 2019 12:33pm
srylands

And so it begins.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/114068301/government-proposes-massive-feebate-car-scheme-that-would-make-cleaner-cars-up-to-8k-cheaper-and-dirtier-cars-more-expensive

I note that the article says it will benefit poor folk. I can’t see it myself.

If we want to reduce emissions why not just price carbon emissions. Isn’t that what the ETS does? Then people can buy whatever car they want.
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July 9, 2019 8:32am
- Inandout
  
  srylands, Winnie will toss this out.
  
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  July 9, 2019 9:21am
  - Tall Man
    
    No he won’t, he’ll carefully evaluate it then decide based on the baubles.
    
    “what’s in it for wynston” has a bitter hatred of virtually anyone other than himself and doesn’t give a stuff for anyone, especially if screwing them increases his bauble count.
    
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    July 9, 2019 9:40am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Unlikely. He was supportive on Newstalk ZB this morning, although he did say electric cars weren’t his thing.
    
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    July 9, 2019 9:48am
    - srylands
      
      It would seem that cars are not his thing if he doesn’t know what kind of car he drives. 🙂
      
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      July 9, 2019 9:54am
      - Inandout
        
        He probably was told the type of car, but forgot.
        
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        July 9, 2019 11:55am
- Tall Man
  
  Why not just bin the whole stupid idea and let the people of this country live their lives without massive government interference.
  
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  July 9, 2019 9:28am
- stephieboy
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Hopefully, another sign that the sun is setting on the petrol internal combustion engine!
  
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  July 9, 2019 9:37am
  - rangitoto
    
    Just for you.
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkkV1vLHUvQ
    
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    July 9, 2019 2:46pm
  - Komata
    
    Stephie@0937
    
    Ou of interest, how do YOU get around (to St. Lukes, for instance)?
    
    (Asking for some friends).
    
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    July 9, 2019 3:20pm
- kowtow
  
  Reduce emissions ? Why ?
  
  Climate change is driven by solar activity . ‘Emissions’ is just another way for the powerful and divisive to tell you how to live your life.
  
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  July 9, 2019 10:41am
  - mark15
    
    KT
    I think solar ‘emissions’ will be what to to worry about next if the magnetic poles flip…
    
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    July 9, 2019 1:38pm
- rangitoto
  
  This will annoy the tradies who love vehicles like the Ford Ranger. Expect houses to get even more expensive to build.
  
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  July 9, 2019 12:10pm
rightoverlabour

Huge request. Can everybody NOT engage with Stephieboy. Just down tick and scroll on.
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July 9, 2019 8:35am
- Tall Man
  
  And the same for hugh.
  
  These people feed off the irritation that they cause, much like the two non male mouthy watermelon mps.
  
  Ignoring them reduces the validation that they need from others.
  
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  July 9, 2019 9:20am
Tall Man

https://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/news/113920572/paua-permit-claim-saw-hundreds-of-paua-illegally-taken-for-whnau-unveiling

Yep, maori really care for the environment… now, where did I leave my moa?
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July 9, 2019 8:36am
- backster
  
  Wow tough penalty I wonder what a 66 yo whitey would have got.
  
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  July 9, 2019 11:07am
  - Tall Man
    
    With or without the moa?
    
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    July 9, 2019 8:30pm
Happychappy

I wonder whether Jacinda will change her mind about the fuel tax that a councilor in the Waikato is calling for to help fund their infrastructure. Twyford has ruled it out as the Prime Minister has said their will be no more fuel taxes in her time but you would have to wonder if she wins the 2020 General Election that she will forgo her promise and allow them a fuel tax.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/07/revealed-hamilton-city-council-aiming-for-regional-fuel-tax-by-2020-documents-show.html
Remember all the promises from last Election and you can’t spend like a wounded bull and have money for the necessary when people are up in arms about Health, Transport, Education and Housing which has been promised but not delivered.
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July 9, 2019 8:47am
- RW Capitalist
  
  We contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle.
  Winston Churchill
  Bears thinking about.
  
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  July 9, 2019 9:24am
  - sooty
    
    Yer, but that fool Twyford is too dumb to know that!
    
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    July 9, 2019 9:53am
  - MCos
    
    Churchill didn’t say that. Here’s the actual quote plus, more to the point, the context and an article about the subject.
    
    Here’s what Churchill said in the House of Common about 113 years ago:
    “It is the theory of the Protectionist that imports are an evil. He thinks that if you shut out the foreign imported manufactured goods you will make these goods yourselves, in addition to the goods which you make now, including those goods which we make to exchange for the foreign goods that come in. If a man can believe that he can believe anything. [Laughter.] We Free-traders say it is not true. To think you can make a man richer by putting on a tax is like a man thinking that he can stand in a bucket and lift himself up by the handle. [Laughter and cheers.]
    https://bondpapers.blogspot.com/2016/04/winston-churchill-and-taxes-nlpoli.html
    
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    July 9, 2019 12:19pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Ooo you’re so clever.
      
      Same phrase really only a pedant would be so picky.
      
      It’s not often you see a pedant from Timaru.
      
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      July 9, 2019 8:29pm
- srylands
  
  IIRC that promise of no new fuel taxes was made under pressure in parliament during a few months of rapidly rising petrol prices. I think it probably caught Mr Twyford by surprise as the entire purpose of legislation he had just introduced was to enable regional fuel taxes.
  
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  July 9, 2019 9:31am
godruelf

I wonder if Cindy’s reluctance to say where she is going on her holiday is the fact she is embarrassed taking a gas guzzling Jet trip in the middle of a Climate Emergency.
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July 9, 2019 8:50am
- Inandout
  
  Cindy is our PM and we are not permitted to know where she is going. Can you imagine the roar from the MSM if Trump disappeared for 3 weeks?
  
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  July 9, 2019 9:36am
  - sooty
    
    Did she take an Airforce 757 along with family, friends and lick spittle media with her?
    Is it a family hoiday or is she getting married?
    
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    July 9, 2019 9:56am
  - LTA1955
    
    Cook Islands with MSM gang, the fisherman and child appendage….yawn
    
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    July 9, 2019 10:09am
  - alwyn
    
    “Can you imagine the roar from the MSM if Trump disappeared for 3 weeks?”
    I imagine it would be rather like the noise that a Christchurch crowd can make when the Crusaders score a try. Delirious and going on for ages.
    That’s the way I would react if he was to disappear.
    Oh happy day!
    
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    July 9, 2019 10:40am
    - sooty
      
      Has any other PM taken the Airforce jet on a personal holiday?
      
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      July 9, 2019 12:49pm
      - alwyn
        
        You have some evidence for this do you?
        Or is it it just your lurid little imagination?
        
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        July 9, 2019 2:05pm
      - Greg Ettridge
        
        Alwyn, I guess people ask questions because they want to know the truth.
        I read this article in the Cook Island news and wonder why the mystery.
        I guess Media works are funding the trip because Mr Gayford is shooting on location.
        The photo is as usual carefully choreographed with the faceless baby.
        If Jacinta is in fact on a holiday, then the tax payer is picking up none of the bill
        I am not convinced.
        Maybe this is the her first commercial flight since taking office and is self funded?
        http://www.cookislandsnews.com/national/item/73311-pm-ardern-here-for-holiday
        NZ7571 has shown no flights in last 7 days
        NZ 7572 is working its arse off I guess ferrying soldiers to War games near Yeepoon.
        
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        July 9, 2019 3:36pm
  - igm
    
    Remember MSM scum whinging, assisted by left wing followers, because Sir John Key had the audacity to holiday in Hawaii?
    At least he paid his own way and was not giving away more of NZ taxpayers’ money to make her look good in the eyes of losers.
    
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    July 9, 2019 2:20pm
hullkiwi

Once again we get dogma and feelz over good governance and decision making. But hey ho, we are the socialist “green” utopia of Aotearoa, where bullshit won.

This policy is wrong on so many counts and like the plastic bag policy, it will do nothing to cut NZ’s emissions.

1. First and foremost, NZ does not currently have and will not have an electricity network that is emissions free. Currently, 15% of NZ’s electricity comes from burning fossil fuels, where do the urban, green beltway luvvies believe (these people don’t think. So, I refuse to suggest they do) the country’s future electricity supply will come from, if we cover 3.5mill vehicles to electric?
2. As old golfer has said, it will screw up the market for such vehicles and “high emissions” vehicles until these changes are implemented;
3. Rather than lowering the price of such vehicles it will add additional compliance costs and distort supply, so cost will go up.

So, well done Genter, you have demonstrated for us all once again why you should be nowhere near government, you do not understand how a country, and an economy function and you do not understand how New Zealanders live, do us a favour and go and live your hippy lifestyle somewhere else other than NZ.
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July 9, 2019 8:59am
- Cobolt24
  
  Until those changes come into effect, the amount of new EVs sold in NZ will decline while people wait for the incentives to kick in, especially at 8k in savings.
  
  More will buy ICE vehicles to beat the price increases too.
  
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  July 9, 2019 9:14am
hullkiwi

Well how predictable was that? Set up a Royal Commision into the causes around 15th March shootings and every malcontent Muslim who has not been given his 15 minutes in the spotlight by the Commision is crying the process is a sham. The instance I heard was on Red Radio’s Morning Report prior to 8.00am. Sorry, but when are people going to learn, just because some media group sticks a microphone in your face, it does not mean you are saying or have anything of relevance to say. So, it is highly likely, whatever you think you can add will not add to the knowledge of the Commisio within the scope of its Terms of Reference. Do us all a favour and crawl back under your rock.
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July 9, 2019 9:12am
Maggie Pie

And further to my controversial GD post yesterday @9:59am in relation to:
‘Asian builders, developers and financiers etc’, the other major component in the mix which i forgot to include were of course ‘Real Estate Agents’ 🙁

Worrying –
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11851087

Downright disturbing –
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12247785
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July 9, 2019 9:13am
Tall Man

I have just been up the farm that I am a shareholder in to collect my supply of the illegal and highly addictive substance you may know as full cream unpasteurised milk.

We have the government hell bent on flooding our country with cannabis and eventually other drugs yet they move heaven and earth to shut down the sale of fresh milk.

What a truly fucked up world we live in thanks to the electoral habits of losers and charlatans.

I wish my order from “whisky and more” would hurry up 😉
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July 9, 2019 9:24am
- stephieboy
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Tall Man wasted trip. Pop into your local corner dairy for a litre of the same?
  
  Seems all made up to me.
  
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  July 9, 2019 9:40am
  - Swifty
    
    Nobody cares what you think.
    
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    July 9, 2019 10:52am
- BrownSnake
  
  I make my own brews and distill thanks
  
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  July 9, 2019 10:14am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    We have evidence of that in your 10:18 post above.
    
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    July 9, 2019 12:41pm
  - Tall Man
    
    I think that explains a lot…….
    
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    July 9, 2019 1:52pm
The Proper Ghandi

Well, well, well. Jeffrey Epstein finally arrested over his dubious interest in, and actions with, underage girls. This information has been sat on for years, in order to protect some very influential people. It took Mike Cernovich to do the leg work and have the files released.
There will be plenty of the so-called ‘elite’ sweating bullets over this. What’s the bet Epstein has an ‘accident’ in his cell?
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July 9, 2019 9:44am
- MCos
  
  It’s the second time he’s been arrested.
  The first time, in Florida, the outcome was a sham partly brokered by Alexander Acosta, currently Labor Secretary in the Trump Administration.
  
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  July 9, 2019 12:34pm
- The Proper Ghandi
  
  Was that a former President or a Prince of the Realm that down voted me?
  
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  July 9, 2019 12:52pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  That you find Mike Cernovich a credible source of any information, and particularly about rape, should surprise me.
  
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  July 9, 2019 1:15pm
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    mikemildagain
    I am unconcerned that you are not “surprised” (as I take that to be what you meant to say).
    Mike Cernovich is a lawyer. He filed court documents in Florida to have the hitherto heavily redacted files released. Cernovich is not the “source” of anything. The files concern the evidence against Epstein. Wailing about who had those files released is a less than relevant statement to make.
    
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    July 9, 2019 1:39pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      “Whoosh”
      
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      July 9, 2019 2:16pm
      - The Proper Ghandi
        
        mikenmildagain
        No. Not “whoosh” at all. Cernovich isn’t the source of anything, and the last clause in your comment is irrelevant. Epstein isn’t accused of “date rape.” Just rape. Too subtle a distinction for you?
        
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        July 9, 2019 6:16pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Yep, right over your sanctimonious arrogant head.
        
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        July 9, 2019 8:24pm
Tall Man

ardern suffers “parental guilt” but couldn’t give a stuff about the rest of NZ.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=12247854

There must be something dirty around the corner hence the “i luv cindy” article from from the labour press team.
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July 9, 2019 9:53am
G152

What excuse will they use when no-one has petrol powered vehicles and theres no petrol tax to pay for the continuous roadwork sites ?
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July 9, 2019 9:59am
cmm

Don’t feel too bad if the current mob gets booted out next year. There are plenty jobs available for people like them.

For example, UK needs still and guidance on planting a billion trees:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqbussAMWyI
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July 9, 2019 10:22am
- tf78
  
  They have created a drone that can plant a billion trees in a matter of weeks. They put a seed into a pod with fertilizer and soil (or something similar) fly over the land and shoot them directly into the ground. Quite amazing to watch.
  
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  July 9, 2019 11:03am
  - Swifty
    
    For plantation forestry?
    
    How do you maintain your spacings?
    
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    July 9, 2019 11:22am
    - Tall Man
      
      When he said drone…. he really meant Dalek 😉
      
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      July 9, 2019 2:21pm
      - Swifty
        
        GERMINATE! GERMINATE!
        
        🙂
        
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        July 9, 2019 6:53pm
- Tall Man
  
  “Our local council chopped all our beautiful trees down to put in a cycle lane……………………..Save the planet man!……….yeah right”
  
  Looks like they’re already there.
  
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  July 9, 2019 1:55pm
cmm

On Sunday I listened to the news on RNZ.

First item: Some blaah, blaah about one in 5 kids going hungry because of poverty.

Second item: Massive obesity problems blamed on poverty.
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July 9, 2019 10:26am
- White Anglo Saxon Protestant
  
  Genuine question:
  How do you get obese if you have no money?
  
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  July 9, 2019 10:40am
  - MCos
    
    Far be it for me to second guess what other people fill up on, but the local dairy advertises crappy white bread at $1 a loaf plus some sugar laden coloured fizzy drink for next to nothing.
    A feed of fish n chips costs five or six dollars.
    
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    July 9, 2019 11:44am
    - Garbageman
      
      lol a piece of blue cod will cost that, a feed for a family of 4 is more likely in the 30-40 dollar range
      
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      July 9, 2019 12:43pm
    - Tall Man
      
      You mean the “evil” white bread we all grew up on?
      
      A glass of water is free, fresh fruit and veges from your own garden are free.
      
      “Poverdee” would mean that none of the poor would even know what a KFC box looks like yet alone have a standing order at the local home of the “Colonel”.
      
      I count myself and my wife as relatively comfortable yet we have always had a decent garden and a freezer always stocked with fruit and veges from our own property.
      
      Takeaways are a rarity and only when I can’t be bothered cooking and apart from the odd snack of KFC in Thailand, when they say hot they really mean fucking hot, we cannot remember the last time we bought fast food.
      
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      July 9, 2019 2:21pm
      - Swifty
        
        Who does the growing?
        
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        July 9, 2019 6:52pm
Swifty

Doesn’t take much to imagine the scene of that crime:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/114069682/machete-church-murder-you-have-broken-this-family–judge

Gruesome.
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July 9, 2019 10:45am
- Tall Man
  
  Come on, it’s a small price to pay to achieve the “nirvana” of diversity.
  
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  July 9, 2019 2:11pm
Swifty

And to think that there are some out there who believe a national firearms register is a great idea:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/114074824/multiple-failings-by-auckland-police-in-disappearance-of-nine-firearms

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/114091538/guns-thought-to-be-stolen-from-police-station-found-in-audit

Snigger……
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July 9, 2019 10:51am
Swifty

Greenpeace wants NZers to be punished even more severely than proposed by the CoL:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12247901

They want to tax us into submission.
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July 9, 2019 11:04am
Lee C

Having vanquished inequality poverty and homelessness, Julie-Anne Genter is now ready to subsidise the yummy-mummys so they have a nice electric car for those essential school-runs.

More socialism for the wealthy, IMO.
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July 9, 2019 11:12am
MH

now another racist programme coming up with Moana Maniapoto a fan of the quiet Moaner Jackson, I suffered the previous one on Racism, fancy having dawn raids to evict over stayers and the comedian went on about parihaka forgetting Matawhero and the schoolgirl lecturing people about the treaty forgetting the desire by smaller tribes to live in peace hence more Maori signed the damn thing than didn’t.I enclose a good reply from the Gisbourne Herald 2 years ago on how great Te Kooti was as a leader and military genius.

The attack on Matawhero was not revenge, Dr Williams said.
“It was utu. Utu is different from revenge. Te Kooti told his people to get off their horses and kneel on the ground to bless the people who died.”
These murderers didn’t “bless the people who died”, they sang Psalm 63 which reveled in the killings. Then they ransacked the settlers’ houses, loaded their possessions on to carts and spent the next week drunk on settler rum and wine while the corpses bloated, rotted in the sun and were gnawed by pigs.
I wonder what Jessie Wilson did to Te Kooti to deserve being bayoneted to death? She was three months old. Her mother was bayoneted 11 times in the arms and chest trying to protect her.
I wonder what the one-year-old George Biggs did to Te Kooti to cause he and his mother to be shot and bayoneted to death?
I wonder what one-year-old Nora Ellen Walsh did to Te Kooti to deserve beheading?
I wonder what two-year-old Emily Jane McCullock did to Te Kooti to deserve being thrown up in the air and impaled upon a bayonet, then tossed from one bayonet to another?
I wonder what four-year-old Edwin James Wilson did to Te Kooti to deserve being bayoneted in the back, along with his six-year-old sister Alice Wilson who suffered the same fate?
I’m sure these children would be delighted to learn that their brutal, sadistic and painful deaths weren’t revenge but were utu which, of course, made it OK.
Te Kooti was born in 1832, so he was eight when the Treaty of Waitangi was signed. He was brought up under British rule as a British subject, and was educated at British Mission School. He knew what was right and wrong.
Utu be damned. Te Kooti was a drunken sadistic murderer, plain and simple.
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July 9, 2019 11:16am
- mikenmildagain
  
  Illegally imprisoned on the Chathams, Te Kooti escaped, and turned to war when pursued on his return to the mainland.
  Your account of some of the victims of the Poverty Bay massacre is entertaining. Would you like to read stories of the execution of prisoners of war, the killing of Maori men and women, and destruction of villages, all by colonial troops, as well?
  
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  July 9, 2019 12:34pm
  - Jack5
    
    But, Milky, only one side had slaves, some of whom were fattened to be eaten, and only one side harvested and sold human heads.
    
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    July 9, 2019 5:42pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      You don’t think government forces took heads?
      
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      July 9, 2019 5:50pm
    - Inandout
      
      Jack5, and kept slaves alive after removing them limb by limb over days, and of course stemming the blood meantime. Fresh flesh is so much tastier we are told.
      
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      July 9, 2019 6:25pm
Cobolt24

The spiralling environmental cost of our lithium battery addiction | Wired

“Like any mining process, it is invasive, it scars the landscape, it destroys the water table and it pollutes the earth and the local wells,” said Guillermo Gonzalez, a lithium battery expert from the University of Chile, in a 2009 interview. “This isn’t a green solution – it’s not a solution at all”
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https://www.wired.co.uk/article/lithium-batteries-environment-impact
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July 9, 2019 11:44am
The Proper Ghandi

School holidays and far fewer cars clogging the roads in the morning. My travelling time has been slashed. Distance learning will both save the planet and obviate the need for giving teachers a payrise – they can stay home too. Let’s do this!
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July 9, 2019 12:07pm
- Tall Man
  
  Why won’t the pathetic little fuckers tell mummy to stay home while they walk or cycle?
  
  Perfect training to be a hypocrite labour voter.
  
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  July 9, 2019 2:02pm
Swifty

Not a peaceful refugee surely?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/114079157/man-launches-frenzied-attack-on-woman-in-hamilton-gardens-after-she-denies-him-sex

A question for ILG – when will Mr Mohamoud Mohamed be leaving our fair shores?
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July 9, 2019 12:20pm
- Tall Man
  
  Sounds like the ideal immigrant, when will ardern get him round for dinner prior to the citizenship ceremony.
  
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  July 9, 2019 2:00pm
- stephieboy
  
  Swifty, you will be able to reassure us that native white bros don’t do similar among these stats?,
  
  https://teara.govt.nz/en/graph/26515/reported-sexual-assaults-and-rape
  
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  July 9, 2019 2:54pm
  - Swifty
    
    What an egg you are.
    
    We are assailed, especially post March 15, with story after story of what wonderful people refugees are and how we should be taking more and more.
    
    Just think about it, including what led to this guy living in his car.
    
    Egg.
    
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    July 9, 2019 4:48pm
Hugh Pavletich

HOUSING – THE UNIVERSAL DREAM: Detached housing with a backyard much preferred …

THE ‘NEW ZEALAND DREAM’ IS STILL ALIVE … WENDELL COX … NEW GEOGRAPHY

http://www.newgeography.com/content/006327-the-new-zealand-dream-still-alive

… exract …

… The Westpac NZ Housing Preferences Survey …

… Among the respondents, nearly one-half (49 percent) considered a back yard “essential,” while another 42 percent rated the back yard as “nice to have.” Only nine percent considered a back yard to be “not important.” Among first home buyers, there was an even greater larger 55 percent considered a back yard as “essential.”

A house with a yard is even more important that one close to work. Only 18 percent of respondents considered proximity to work to be “essential,” well below the 49 percent wanting a backyard. While nine percent of respondents considered a backyard to be “not important,” nearly four times as many said that proximity to work was “not important” (33 percent).

House location also scored much lower in proximity to schools or child care, which was considered “essential” by 22 percent of respondents and parks/recreational facilities, “essential” to 21 percent. Only 11 percent considered living in social hubs (with “eateries and bars”) to be “essential. … read more via hyperlink above …

Survey finds Kiwis’ backyard dream still alive and well – Westpac Bank Survey … Scoop NZ

http://business.scoop.co.nz/2019/05/28/survey-finds-kiwis-backyard-dream-still-alive-and-well/
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… Note ‘flight to affordability’ articles 2019 section http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org .. and sales trends for townhouse / condos and detached housing … latest ( May 2019 ) Houston Association of Realtors Monthly Report …

https://www.har.com/content/mls
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July 9, 2019 1:01pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Mods
  http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org is Hugh’s own website
  Can we stop this link whoring?
  
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  July 9, 2019 2:09pm
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    When can we expect Debt To Income (DTI) Mortgage limits in New Zealand ? …
    
    Phase two of RBNZ Act review raises the possibility of loan-to-value ratio restrictions being extended from banks to all lenders active in the residential mortgage market … Gareth Vaughan … Interest Co NZ
    
    https://www.interest.co.nz/personal-finance/100564/phase-two-rbnz-act-review-raises-possibility-loan-value-ratio-restrictions
    
    … Consider the Irish DTI limits …
    
    Central Bank of Ireland – Mortgage Measures
    
    https://www.centralbank.ie/financial-system/financial-stability/macro-prudential-policy/mortgage-measures
    
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    July 9, 2019 4:42pm
Maggie Pie

My partner just popped home with a couple of Krispy Kremes for lunch [jam for me/caramel for him]. I had the wireless on waiting to see if Barry Soaper knew where Jacinda had disappeared to [Aitutaki with bubs and Clarke as it turns out].

Anyway, for the first time he got to hear a bit of those two morons, ‘Sigh & Fill’, now doing the ZB 12 -4 show. He couldn’t believe just how ‘GUSHY’ they both sound! Everyone they speak to, or talk about, is either “…wonderful, fantastik, lovely, great, excellent, or beautiful”. As my partner said, “Christ, you’d think that between them they’d know at least ONE c ~ ~ t “
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July 9, 2019 1:10pm
- mark15
  
  BP is partnering up with KrustyKreme.
  Soon there’ll be donut flavour sugar snacks everywhere.
  
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  July 9, 2019 1:57pm
- rangitoto
  
  I thought we were having a climate emergency? Jacinda jetting off somewhere! Surely not.
  
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  July 9, 2019 5:05pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Paddling… surely.
    
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    July 9, 2019 8:20pm
Overworked

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/114079157/man-launches-frenzied-attack-on-woman-in-hamilton-gardens-after-she-denies-him-sex

3 and a half years, out in a fraction of that
knife
choking
repeatedly bashed woman’s head into asphalt
ripped her pants off
threatened to kill
threatened gang rape
lied to cops
…because she denied him what he seemed to see as his right as a man in need of sex
Discuss
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July 9, 2019 1:43pm
- Tall Man
  
  It’s an ardernism…..
  
  Just what happens to the anointed ones…….
  
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  July 9, 2019 8:20pm
Maggie Pie

Twitter is on fire! This is WHY the Dems hate Trump.
They knew their safe little world was about to crumble around them. SICK SOB’s!!

https://twitter.com/StormIsUponUs/status/1148318585565003776
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July 9, 2019 1:47pm
- Batman
  
  Yes and anonymous Twitter users are never prone to hyperbole and a rampant pack mentality, are they? ?
  
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  July 9, 2019 2:01pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    It’s the preferred communications medium for very stable geniuses.
    
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    July 9, 2019 2:17pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Holy wisdom, Batman! Did you even bother to read the ‘zerohedge’ link?
    🙂
    
    [And here’s one of my partners faves from his school days –
    “If the answer to the question is Cock Robin – what was the question?”
    “What’s that in my bum Batman?” ]
    
    LOL!!!!
    
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    July 9, 2019 2:22pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Zero Hedge…
      Reading that stuff will rot your brain.
      
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      July 9, 2019 3:33pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        How do you know that as you have evidently never read it or so seldom as to be able to form a considered view.
        
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        July 9, 2019 5:20pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Like those sad bastards suffering TDS you mean?
    
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    July 9, 2019 2:44pm
- stephieboy
  
  Maggie Pie, don’t forget the President described Epstein as a” terrific guy”,
  
  https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/trump-praised-terrific-guy-epstein-who-likes-women-on-the-younger-side-1.7453257
  
  Now, why would he do that?
  
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  July 9, 2019 3:05pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Trump also banned Epstein from his properties.
    But don’t bother mentioning that, just cherry pick with your TDS.
    Stupid boy
    
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    July 9, 2019 4:02pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    And TBH steph, i reckon that after reading on here about your escapades at the St Lukes Mall, you would probaly be in a better position to ansa that than me.
    LOLY!!
    
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    July 9, 2019 4:03pm
  - Tall Man
    
    People, please stop engaging with this extremely disturbed person.
    
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    July 9, 2019 8:18pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  A few suicides coming up
  
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  July 9, 2019 4:04pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    One thing I noticed is that Prince Andrew has been named in association with this. The Establishment will not tolerate anything like this. I would suggest they increase his security a bit. Problems that may embarrass the Royal family have a habit of disappearing…
    
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    July 9, 2019 8:46pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I swear I did not have sexual relations with any child sex slaves while I visited a private island owned by a pedophile billionaire, 12 to 26 times.
  Someone is shitting their pants. Prob a lot are shitting their pants.
  I still say this is why Anthony Bourdain is not alive – he was going to release names
  
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  July 9, 2019 4:13pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, an Italian by descent who acted in The Godfather and is a foul mouthed rabid anti Trump will be praying at the altar as we speak.
  
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  July 9, 2019 6:31pm
igm

How long are we going to be fed the crap these people are from a religion of peace and decency?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/114079157/man-launches-frenzied-attack-on-woman-in-hamilton-gardens-after-she-denies-him-sex
And our unelected imbecilic PM dresses like them and attends their places of worship . . . words fail me!
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July 9, 2019 2:08pm
- stephieboy
  
  igm , don’t forget white kiwis have done that the same,’
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12069103
  
  “..attends their places of worship . . . words fail me!”
  
  Untrue!
  
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  July 9, 2019 3:07pm
  - Jack5
    
    Most countries deport such trash. When you move to another country, you don’t usually share any leniency or second chances offered to the native born.
    
    New Zealand is in the tiny minority that let convicted scum remain in the country.
    
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    July 9, 2019 5:39pm
    - Tall Man
      
      We bring more in…. just to keep ardern where she wants to be.
      
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      July 9, 2019 8:56pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  I don’t understand something in the story.
  
  Read the following:
  
  Mohamed held a knife to the terrified woman, told her he would kill her, and punched her as she tried to fend him off.
  
  Eventually, he let go of her and told her to get out of the car. Handing her a pair of jeans he told her to change her pants.
  
  Once she was back in the car, he drove off from the gardens at speed. Once mobile – as she begged him to drop her off at a nearby mosque – the violence changed from physical to psychological.
  
  ONCE SHE WAS BACK IN THE CAR??????
  
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  July 9, 2019 8:40pm
Wired-one

Typical bullshit interview by Winston on The AM show this morning. Rambling on incoherently, not answering questions, then attacking Ryan Bridge when he was put under pressure. It’s a disgrace that this charlatan has sucked off the public tit for 40 odd years. What has he achieved other than lining his own pocket? I cannot stand the man, and struggle to understand how he gets in every three years. People need to wake up and realize he’s a conman, not fall for his nonsense rhetoric, which he never backs up. What happened to all those bottom lines you Winston?
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July 9, 2019 5:06pm
- Tall Man
  
  “what’s in it for wynston”……….
  
  That’s it.
  
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  July 9, 2019 8:16pm
Lee C

Some things always float to the top: cream, oil, turds and politicians.
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