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alloytoo

Jack Tame on for Mike Hosking this morning.

That’s the start of my day stuffed for the week.
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July 8, 2019 8:08am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Yours and mine both alloytoo. I tried; I honestly did. But when he launched into a rant about how Samuel Whitelock should have announced a name change for the Crusaders in his post-match speech at the trophy presentation, I was outta there!
  
  As for the rugby, Scott Robertson has made a very strong case to be appointed as All Black coach after the World Cup. He seems to be especially good with younger players, and with significant changes likely in the All Blacks from the end of the year as senior players head away to greener pastures, Razor is shaping up as the ideal candidate to take the team forward.
  
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  July 8, 2019 8:14am
  - RiP NZ
    
    Warren G though – the homecoming likely a wink and a nod to the AB’s surely ?
    
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    July 8, 2019 8:34am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      No, not after he’s signed a long-term contract with the Chiefs, and committed to the Lions in 2021. His time as AB coach will come, but not now.
      
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      July 8, 2019 8:49am
    - barnacle bill
      
      Any one for the next AB coach, as long as it isn’t a Hamiltonian.
      
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      July 8, 2019 9:36am
      - Tall Man
        
        A bit harsh “crusty”…. I’m no fan of the culture and playing style of teams from that area but I think Warren Gatland may have an impact. Time will tell.
        
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        July 8, 2019 10:52am
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    Wayne Smith, Robbie Deans, and Todd Blackadder all looked like geniuses when coaching the Crusaders, but not when they moved on to other coaching jobs.
    
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    July 8, 2019 9:06am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      How many titles did Blackadder win as coach?
      
      (Hint: the answer is less than one)
      
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      July 8, 2019 9:59am
      - Wired-one
        
        0.5?
        
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        July 8, 2019 2:42pm
  - Prince
    
    I’m not sure the ability to relate to, and encourage youngsters is the basis for an All Black coach.
    
    After all, would you want the best kindie teacher to be your country’s leader…ohh, hold on…
    
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    July 8, 2019 10:38am
  - igm
    
    Who in hell does that wimpy little girly boy think he is?
    We know them as Crusaders, they are crusaders . . . if Tame wants to grease to the mosque mob best he become an imam or something equally ridiculous.
    Maybe he is attempting to appease the unelected unwanted and embarrassing PM, but like her, he is going to get nowhere.
    
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    July 8, 2019 11:14am
    - Fletch
      
      Tame used only to be a wet-behind-the ears upstart, but now that he’s been on TV for a while he has developed an arrogance as well. Thinks he’s “all that” and a side of fries and that his opinion matters.
      
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      July 8, 2019 11:58am
- alex Masterley
  
  Agreed.
  I only listen briefly in the morning but the thought of Mr Tame is too much for me to bear.
  Spotify will be hard at work in the car.
  
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  July 8, 2019 8:18am
- secondcumming
  
  Tame let slip on the weekend that he had his very own *Te Reo teacher*.
  His wish is that he can eventually speak fluent Maori.
  Rumor is both Mike and Kate are doing the same 😎
  
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  July 8, 2019 8:22am
  - G152
    
    So.
    That’s two languages they can be ignorant in.
    Does Maori have a term for ‘lying soyboy on TV’ ??????
    
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    July 8, 2019 8:31am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      As we speak, the Japanese language is analyzing the English term “soy boy” and comparing it with its own bloved 草食男子 (herbivorous man).
      
      Ref: https://eigo-english.info/soy-boy/
      
      I expect that it will be several months before the official Re Reo committee meets in Wellington to deliberate over what to call this in Maori.
      
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      July 8, 2019 9:36am
      - stephieboy
        
        Something that approximates plant-eating man!
        
        Like “herb “borrowed from Latin as is common in English.
        
        The Japs should try the same.
        
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        July 8, 2019 10:37am
      - Jack5
        
        Heh Stephie X! You used a a derogatory term instead of the correct “Japanese”.
        
        Now most of us give you the courtesy of using the description, “Stephiestani”, rather than derogatory terms we would use.
        
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        July 8, 2019 1:11pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Agree with all of you. As soon as I heard him I turned it off and went back to sleep.
    How can Newstalk ZB do this to us?
    
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    July 8, 2019 8:35am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      And what about that ‘Sigh & Fill’ now doing noon till 4? They make Andrew Dickens sound like Alan Jones!
      Honestly, they make my skin crawl 🙁
      
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      July 8, 2019 8:42am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Fluent Maori? Hus & kotis to that. Isn’t pidgin fun?
    
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    July 8, 2019 10:26am
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    Somebody tell Jack Tame that New Zealand has three official languages; English Maori and Sign Language.
    It would be best for New Zealanders if he practised the third official language when he is on radio.
    
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    July 8, 2019 11:26am
- artemisia
  
  I gave Mr Tame a chance, until he referred to our country as Aotearoa.
  
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  July 8, 2019 8:35am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Woke radio
  
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  July 8, 2019 8:38am
- Wayne
  
  So you only listen to commentators/media types whose views are consistent with your own???
  
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  July 8, 2019 9:15am
  - Tall Man
    
    Why would anyone sit there and listen to a commentary that they aren’t enjoying?
    
    There is no way that “tame” could edify anyone over the age of 10.
    
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    July 8, 2019 10:48am
    - Wayne
      
      Really??As someone who identifies as left leaning but politicly interested I go out of my way to listen/read options/hear news from the right.
      
      That’s why I spend a bit of time on Kiwiblog.
      
      Surely, if you don’t do this, all you are really doing is looking to have your existing opinions/biases confirmed. What is the point of that???
      
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      July 8, 2019 2:08pm
      - Gravelroad
        
        Sometimes I visit The Standard, Wayne, to look at opinions from the left to see if there is anything intelligent, sensible and “kind” to learn.
        Only seem to find frothing-at-the-mouth hatred of rich pricks, extremism and the politics of envy.
        
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        July 8, 2019 2:27pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Yes really. There is a difference between listening to someone who has balanced approach and mind… tame does not.
        
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        July 8, 2019 4:27pm
  - Wayne
    
    Gravelroad.
    Yeah I hear you. I find the same with whaleoil and fox news. Still good to cast around for views that are contrary your own though!
    
    You might find Bowelly Road more to your liking.
    
    It’s funny that my comment is getting down voted..seems that some kiwibloggers are here for the circle jerk!
    
    Jerk on comrades!!!
    
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    July 8, 2019 3:33pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Don’t get too excited wayne… my big finger just fucked up.
      
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      July 8, 2019 4:26pm
- Sacha
  
  Tame’s not there tomorrow. But if Hosking starts being a PC cultural linguist, I’ll be observing radio silence.
  I used to listen to Nat Rad overnight, but on Saturday a smarmy bloke told me that he had lots of good programmes to educate me, and proceeded to give me a lesson on pronouncing something or other.
  Who listens to this?
  
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  July 8, 2019 9:24am
  - Kabull
    
    Go to Magic Talk (Peter Williams) or Magic Music – no talkback. I made the change after Leighton left and haven’t regretted it.
    
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    July 8, 2019 11:17am
- kloyd0306
  
  Losing Leighton and Larry has been a huge body blow this year, but ZB’s replacements have only made listening so much worse.
  
  With Tame standing in for our last hope, Hoskings, is just proof that ZB has lost the plot.
  
  McIvor – pathetic
  Gifford – equally pathetic (never heard of the other clown)
  HDP – pathetic
  Lush – a moron
  
  Then ZB rubs salt into the gaping wound using Tame.
  
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  July 8, 2019 11:09am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    I am surprised that you rate Lush as highly as a moron.
    
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    July 8, 2019 1:15pm
hullkiwi

A new day and more spin from Labour. In one breath, Manakau has an obesity problem, 3 times the national average. So the DHB needs more funds. Then in the next breath 1 in 5 (or 20%) of the population are suffering food deprivation. So, what do RNZ do? They interview a solo mum from Manakua, oh the irony.

Now I’m not arguing that certain ethnic groups don’t have obesity problems, or that the cost of food in the supermarket is high (and in some cases definitely overpriced). But when are people going to learn that throwing more taxpayer money at “perceived problems” is not the solution and helps to paper over issues for another day!
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July 8, 2019 8:10am
- Sacha
  
  Throwing money at a ‘problem’ is good, because it shifts the problem to someone else, and you can blame THEM if it isn’t solved.
  And then throw them some more.
  
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  July 8, 2019 9:31am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Manakau has an obesity problem…
  Some cultural groups are different. There’s a very high concentration of Maori and other Polynesians in Manakau.
  
  Kilos equate to rich, that to status and better feeding which enabled survival.
  When you are used to eating mamoe, boiled mutton flaps, why suffer a fat deficient diet?
  
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  July 8, 2019 10:36am
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    Manakau is near Levin. Manukau is near Manurewa.
    
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    July 8, 2019 11:29am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Correct. Manukau what I was referring to.
      
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      July 8, 2019 12:42pm
  - Fletch
    
    I was in the supermarket one day and saw some PI guys with a trolley throwing multiple cans in and loading up. I wheeled my trolley past later and saw that it was that corned tinned spam and it was on special. No wonder they get bigger and get heart disease eating that stuff..
    
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    July 8, 2019 12:02pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Palm Corned Beef has been an island staple for a very log time. It’s yummy.
      
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      July 8, 2019 12:44pm
    - Rich Prick
      
      I’ve seen a tin opened, the tube of spam/corned beef removed whole, battered, deep fried then devoured by one guy. It might be a Rarotongan delicacy but I felt my heart miss six beats just watching.
      
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      July 8, 2019 2:47pm
- Prince
  
  Yes I heard that. The problem seemed to be that the solo mum had to budget, and sometimes that meant she had to buy food on special, or not the item she wanted.
  Oh the horror. Like we all don’t have to do that.
  No mention of the ’emergency grants’ that are now given out on request. A WINZ/MBIE/DSIR or whatever employee boasted that they now gave out grants to 98% of requestors.
  
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  July 8, 2019 10:42am
- madamezucchininz
  
  …..Here in Canterbury …..the DHB has a moderator who is slashing and burning…..he is nicknamed the “Slasher” by medical personnel……if there is any DHB that needs a financial life line …..it is Canterbury…….the DHB has now dealt with two major catastrophes……the earthquakes ….and whilst the dead are remembered the injured are not…..there were so many and treatment for physical injuries has been extensive and on going….not to mention the mental health side…..then we had the mosque attack…..and again we are all remembering the dead…..but so many were injured and will need on going medical treatment……there is no where else that has had to deal with this sort of influx …..so why not throw us a life line…..last week Christchurch hospital was code red and black….with people parked in corridors etc…..and all we are getting is the slashing of elective procedures…..
  
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  July 8, 2019 11:28am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Citizenship means equality of availability for all citizens.
    That includes application via Health Boards etc.
    
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    July 8, 2019 12:48pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Are you trying to get rid of all the full stops that are clogging up your keyboard?
    
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    July 8, 2019 3:24pm
Richard Prosser

For at least 60-odd years, ham radio operators have reported weird things happening within the bits of the spectrum they use, in the days and even weeks leading up to major seismic events.

‘Earthquake lightning’ is a recognised if not well-understood phenomenon, and some observers have postulated that it may be related to piezoelectric-like effects generated when large masses of rock undergo movement relative to one another.

Japan has a real-time earthquake warning system based on satellite radar that tracks ground stretch, giving up to 90 seconds warning of major quakes.

Is it possible that we may one day be able to scan for signals in the EMR spectrum that might give some longer term forewarning of upcoming seismic events?
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July 8, 2019 8:11am
- Jules99
  
  There are already people successfully predicting earthquakes. Look up Suspicious Observers – Ben has published papers on the topic:
  
  https://suspicious0bservers.org
  
  He has some excellent info on the electric universe worth checking.
  
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  July 8, 2019 8:48am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Small animals have been reported as going berko too as sensing a coming earthquake.
    
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    July 8, 2019 12:50pm
- coge
  
  I saw what might have been earthquake lightening over Wellington. In the seconds immediately after the big Kaikoura quake. Looking south from Kapiti, large green bursts. Never seen anything else resembling it.
  
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  July 8, 2019 9:23am
  - Tall Man
    
    Sorry about that.. OD’d on broccoli that night…
    
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    July 8, 2019 10:43am
  - fisho
    
    During the Kaikoura quake the power lines running across the paddock to our house (in Greytown) were bouncing around out of synch, knocking together and sparking. Could’ve been something like that?
    
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    July 8, 2019 5:02pm
Happychappy

After the post being vacant for over.a year the Labour Coalition are about to reappoint Dame Susan Devoy as Race Relations Commissioner once more.

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2019/07/08/669435/more-than-a-year-without-race-relations-commissioner
I am sure this decision will go down really well with NZer’s.
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July 8, 2019 8:12am
- mikenmildagain
  
  May I ask about the source of your claim that Susan Devoy is to be reappointed?
  
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  July 8, 2019 8:42am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    It’s a fair question. Without a legitimate source, why should we accept the assertion? Is happychappy making shit up or has he stolen information from somewhere or is he betraying a confidence? There may even be legal issues for DPF as blog host.
    
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    July 8, 2019 9:11am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      So if the post has been vacant for over a year have we seen evidence of rampant racial problems?
      Thought not, so why don’t we save some money and abolish the stupid job?
      
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      July 8, 2019 9:43am
      - Tall Man
        
        I’ll drink to that 😉
        
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        July 8, 2019 10:39am
      - Prince
        
        Perhaps we’ve found the root cause of the ChCh massacre.
        
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        July 8, 2019 10:44am
      - Albert_Ross
        
        You reckon “we” haven’t seen “evidence of rampant racial problems”. But some people most certainly have. There are examples in the originally referenced article, there was the recent report alleging that racism in the health services is the reason for poor health outcomes for Maori, there was the report about the social services uplifting children. All of these, and more, have been seen by some people as “evidence of rampant racial problems”.
        
        You think it isn’t, they think it is. What makes your opinion any more correct than theirs, or vice versa? If you don’t think we need a Commissioner to investigate and opine as to when it is and when it isn’t legitimate to claim racism, how would you suggest that such differences be addressed?
        
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        July 8, 2019 12:53pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      I suspect he was simply unable to comprehend the article, but I’m happy to be proved wrong.
      
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      July 8, 2019 9:46am
      - Tall Man
        
        “but I’m happy to be proved wrong.”
        
        Regular occurrence eh mikey?
        
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        July 8, 2019 10:40am
- Rob2
  
  Would not be surprised. she was going to stand for Mayor in Tauranga but got such a negative reaction she pulled out or accepted another job where she didn’t have to be voted in.
  
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  July 8, 2019 10:43am
- Paulus
  
  This probably why she withdrew her nomination for Mayor of Tauranga a couple of weeks ago.
  She would not have got the job anyway !
  
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  July 8, 2019 10:48am
- tf78
  
  She and Paul Hunt could do wonderful things for NZ – NOT. Boy are we in for a rough ride, one I hope we can return from.
  
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  July 8, 2019 11:18am
alloytoo

Just started watching “Stranger Things” Season 1

(After much encouragement from friends)

I confess a mild addiction.
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July 8, 2019 8:13am
- wreck1080
  
  I love the 80s vibe in that show.
  
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  July 8, 2019 9:40am
  - alloytoo
    
    Absolutely, I identify with the age the characters are in at the age they are.
    
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    July 8, 2019 12:54pm
- Tall Man
  
  Help is available 😉
  
  Just don’t go near What/If.
  
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  July 8, 2019 10:41am
- Fletch
  
  Season 1 is great. Season 2 is also good, but Season 3 (just released) is awesome.
  
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  July 8, 2019 12:04pm
srylands

If we must have List MPs why can’t the list be elected? In the six months before the election you run a ‘primary’ election. Lots of details would need to be sorted but surely it would be better than the status quo.
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July 8, 2019 8:14am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Too much expense.
  The list for each party should be made up of the highest polling unsuccessful candidates.
  
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  July 8, 2019 8:42am
  - Jules99
    
    I think there would need to be a bit more oversight than a poll, given their recent failure to predict election results.
    
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    July 8, 2019 8:50am
  - Wayne Mapp
    
    Captain
    
    Rather misses the point about the list. It is for people who are frequently not even standing for an electorate seat. Don Brash for instance.
    
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    July 8, 2019 11:20am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      They shouldn’t be on any list if they’re not prepared to be judged by voters in an electorate seat.
      End of story.
      
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      July 8, 2019 3:26pm
  - Kiwi Dave
    
    The poll results of unsuccessful candidates are determined greatly by the political bias of the electorate in which they are standing. A good candidate in a hostile electorate might poll worse than a weak candidate for a marginal seat.
    
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    July 8, 2019 11:49am
- mikenmildagain
  
  The law requires parties to follow democratic processes for slecting all candidates.
  
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  July 8, 2019 8:53am
  - freethinker
    
    Does that law apply to Maori appointed to Local & Regional councils without being elected in a democratic process.
    
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    July 8, 2019 10:31am
  - Tall Man
    
    Still end up with undemocratic shitheads though.
    
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    July 8, 2019 10:36am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    MMP may promote too much “democracy”. A House of Representives can never be wholly representative of any population.
    
    The leading team has the duty of executive action so many are inherently disqualified. They may represent care of insect life very well but you wouldn’t put them in charge anything requiring decision making.
    
    An ability to feel and care is not one of governance. The latter requires a broad vision, sound judgment independent of personal beliefs, an understanding of history and an understanding, also of human society and economic activity as interrelated both nationally and globally. That has to be coupled with proven experience and integrity. Decision making implies “now” not thinking about it in the sometime future. Even a fishnchip shop staffer knows that when given an order the fish has to be fried almost immediately. Action based on knowledge and skill is important.
    
    MMP allows candidates who don’t have the capacity to govern.
    
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    July 8, 2019 11:04am
    - sooty
      
      Just look at our COL as an example.
      9 long yrs sitting on their arse and get 200 working parties and 10,000 people thinking up what they couldn’t. All pies and lies!
      
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      July 8, 2019 12:15pm
      - freethinker
        
        Talking of pies I reckon there will be some come 2/9 at Auckland District court telling some Porkies and some eating them.
        
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        July 8, 2019 12:59pm
Bykmad

I thought the same thing when I got in the car at 6.10am to come to work and heard him. So the mornings for the next two weeks will be news free as I refuse to pay for the drivel that the Herald provides online, Stuff is no better so best I do not torture myself.
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July 8, 2019 8:15am
- Tony Stuart
  
  He’s only on today, as far as I know. Mike Yardley was supposed to be covering for Hosking for the school holidays, but couldn’t do today as he was crook.
  
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  July 8, 2019 8:26am
  - alloytoo
    
    I certainly hope that this is the case.
    
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    July 8, 2019 8:31am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Let’s hope he gets better real soon.
    
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    July 8, 2019 8:38am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      And another thing.
      Why does Hosking, on the money that he’s on, need all the school holidays off?
      
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      July 8, 2019 8:39am
      - sooty
        
        Because he can!
        
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        July 8, 2019 8:42am
      - RiP NZ
        
        CM – Whats the relationship between earnings, and spending time with the family ?
        
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        July 8, 2019 8:43am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        Because he’s negotiated a bloody good contract that gives him all school holidays off to spend with his kids. And the best of British luck to him!
        
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        July 8, 2019 8:51am
      - Colville
        
        I would think that Hosking takes the holidays off because (a) he can and (b) a lot of his listeners piss off somewhere warm in the school hols!
        
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        July 8, 2019 9:08am
      - SGA
        
        Well said, Tony. It’s the same reason he is on a generous salary to start with.
        
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        July 8, 2019 9:18am
Maggie Pie

When i just showed my partner this tweet, he reckoned: “There will be a few people quietly shitting themselves. Either this guy will sing like a canary, or it could be goodnight nurse” 🙁

https://twitter.com/paul_anforth/status/1147922126755622912
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July 8, 2019 8:33am
- All_on_Red
  
  I pick shittimg themselves. Epstein used to be Trumps neighbour. Trump eventually banned him from all Trump properties.
  I reckon Trump knew about him. It’s not a coincidence that Trumps appointee in the SDNY is the one who has charged him.
  Look at this Tweet from Christine Pelosi (Nancy’s daughter)
  ‘This Epstein case is horrific and the young women deserve justice. It is quite likely that some of our faves are implicated but we must follow the facts and let the chips fall where they may’
  
  They found new Flight Logs. Bill Clinton flew 26 times on Epstein’s Plane. Often with no Secret Service protection.
  Apparently Alan Dershowitz is happy. As part of renewing the case, evidence will be released proving his innocence as he got smeared with accusations.
  
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  July 8, 2019 9:25am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Somehow you just ‘know’ that this doesn’t put Donald Trump in a bad light; only Bill Clinton.
    Luckily, there have never been any reports of Trump ogling teenagers…
    
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    July 8, 2019 9:49am
    - All_on_Red
      
      ‘ogling’
      Oh noes
      Impeach 45 Impeach 45!
      
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      July 8, 2019 10:25am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Quick test: who do you think has more credible accusations of sexual abuse made against him: Bill Clinton or Donald Trump?
        a. Trump
        b. Clinton
        c. Both
        d. Neither
        
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        July 8, 2019 10:30am
      - Tall Man
        
        Obama……
        
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        July 8, 2019 11:02am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Oh really?
        Bill Clinton by a mile , or rather by a Crusty old dress.
        Juanita Broderick too. Credible rape accusation there.
        Sure Trump is an adulterer but he’s never committed abuse.
        
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        July 8, 2019 12:06pm
    - Tall Man
      
      “ogling teenagers…”
      
      A bidenism you mean…..
      
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      July 8, 2019 10:33am
  - sooty
    
    Oh, no! Billy off the leash!
    
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    July 8, 2019 9:55am
  - freethinker
    
    Do I get a hint that Clinton may have some awkward questions to answer shortly ????????
    
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    July 8, 2019 10:36am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      dead girls tell no tales. Nor do girls paid off with millions. I note NZ govt paid many million to Clinton foundation, so perhaps we are aiding the victims of sexual abuse in our own little way
      
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      July 8, 2019 3:40pm
- mara
  
  My prediction; Epstein is going to sing long and loud.
  An important part of Deep State is going to come crashing down.
  Timing.
  MAGA 2020.
  
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  July 8, 2019 9:41am
  - stephieboy
    
    mara, ” deep state”?
    
    Crackpot sphere,
    
    https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Deep_state
    
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    July 8, 2019 10:41am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Given your well documented history of being a perving creep I’m surprised you have the nerve to comment on Epsteins problems…
      
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      July 8, 2019 12:09pm
  - Rich Prick
    
    That, or he’ll shoot himself in the head. Twice. And from behind.
    
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    July 8, 2019 10:51am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Most unusual, yet successful, suicide in history!
      Again!
      What are the chances of that!
      
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      July 8, 2019 11:05am
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      oh you mean pull a Robin Bain? suicidis implausibilis?
      
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      July 8, 2019 1:11pm
- tf78
  
  Of course they had to show his photo with Donald Trump didn’t they. What are they trying to make Donald look guilty by association.
  
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  July 8, 2019 11:25am
  - Fletch
    
    It’s election time. They probably timed his arrest for now in election season just to make the tenuous connection to Trump.
    
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    July 8, 2019 12:10pm
artemisia

Headline on the Herald front page today is pejorative –

Rental properties sit empty as landlords flout insulation law

The headline could just as accurately say – Rental properties sit empty as owners make a business decision whether to rent it, put it on the market, convert it to a hay barn or just leave it vacant. The person with the gold makes the rules.

Meantime a lot more compliance coming right up, not forgetting the much increased renter rights currently being put together by officials to meet this government’s election promises.

Perhaps we will see a big increase in emergency housing funding and the social housing waiting list. Oh wait …. Sorry taxpayers.

The headline on the article itself has been walked back, but just a bit.

Insulation scheme: Rental properties sit empty after Dunedin landlords fail to meet new requirements

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12247462
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July 8, 2019 8:34am
- alex Masterley
  
  It’s a piece grabbed from the ODT.
  The paper has the same header so some bright spark down there came up with it.
  Student accomodation which is always hard to get will be even harder to get as the crappy rentals get pulled out of the market by their owners.
  
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  July 8, 2019 9:41am
  - Rob2
    
    Nah go to a better uni.
    
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    July 8, 2019 10:44am
- rightoverlabour
  
  All the turfed out tenants need to camp outside Jacinda’s house.
  
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  July 8, 2019 9:59am
  - Tall Man
    
    Why outside… grab a hug and come on in………. yeah right.
    
    Someone should ask h1 what rentals she currently has and how much she is charging… I bet it’s as much as she can get.
    
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    July 8, 2019 10:31am
Paulus Gnome

I thought I had seen it all with stupidity on Auckland’s roads, but wait, there is more – young lad on a motor-scooter texting on his mobile phone while riding his scooter – why do motorcyclists pay more for insurance, more for ACC and die? Because they deserve to!
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July 8, 2019 8:37am
- Inandout
  
  If this is a moped it pays $208.
  
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  July 8, 2019 9:58am
Wangas Feral

You people listen to talk radio nowadays? I gave up on that years before I gave up the TV. I listen to sports commentaries and that is about it now. Life is so much better. I even stopped listening to Jamie McKay’s country program because I couldn’t stand his TDS.
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July 8, 2019 8:40am
- Tony Stuart
  
  I listen to Hosking in the mornings, then at 8.30-ish switch over to Radio Sport. Hosking doesn’t do talkback.
  
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  July 8, 2019 8:52am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    Hosking doesn’t do listening – pontificating only for him.
    
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    July 8, 2019 8:56am
    - Lance
      
      Ratings are a bitch for the lefties.
      
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      July 8, 2019 9:11am
      - alloytoo
        
        As Hosking points out (or pontificates :-)) ….
        
        “Theory vs Reality”
        
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        July 8, 2019 9:31am
      - stephieboy
        
        Lance, 22.66% rating not bad I suppose and attributable to the sensitive covering the Christchurch Mosque attacks,
        
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12223533
        
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        July 8, 2019 10:49am
    - Tall Man
      
      I guess you find it hard to face the fact there are quite a few out there that are a bit smarter than yourself eh mikey…..
      
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      July 8, 2019 10:29am
    - Rob2
      
      Still, there’s a moral in that lesson. He is by far the highest ranked radio broadcaster and has been for some time.
      
      I’m sure you could learn something from him MM.
      
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      July 8, 2019 10:47am
      - Tall Man
        
        Mikey learn…. surely you jest.
        
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        July 8, 2019 11:00am
emmess

Biilionaire Pedo Jeffrey Epstein arrested
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/07/06/report-jeffrey-epstein-arrested-in-new-york-for-sex-trafficking-of-minors/
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July 8, 2019 8:41am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Yup this time it looks like it might be for real – half of Hollwood, the Clintons and Prince Andrew should be shitting bricks – many are known to have flown the “Lolita Express”
  
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  July 8, 2019 8:54am
  - MCos
    
    Don’t stop there
    “I’ve known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy. He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.”
    Donald Trump
    https://www.businessinsider.com/jeffrey-epstein-trump-link-liking-women-on-the-younger-side-2019-7#oXUbYhz7YJVpVYRl.99
    
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    July 8, 2019 9:46am
    - Inandout
      
      Sorry MCos, New York is a big city and TDS won’t work in this case.
      
      ‘Flight logs show that from 2001 to 2003, Bill Clinton flew on Epstein’s private plane, dubbed “The Lolita Express” by the press, 26 times. After Epstein’s arrest in July 2006, federal tax records show Epstein donated $25,000 to the Clinton Foundation that year’.
      
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      July 8, 2019 10:03am
      - MCos
        
        I said nothing in defence of Clinton.
        
        CDS won’t work in this case.
        
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        July 8, 2019 10:35am
      - stephieboy
        
        Inandout,
        
        Take a grip on reality for a change,
        
        What Jeffrey Epstein’s Arrest May Mean for Donald Trump (and Bill Clinton)
        
        “..As for Trump himself, he claims that he has no ties to Epstein, other than the fact that Epstein was once a member of Mar-a-Lago. That, however, is not true. In fact, it’s telling that Donald Trump didn’t use rumors about President Bill Clinton’s involvement with Jeffrey Epstein during the 2016 election, even though he brought several women who had accused Clinton of sexual assault to the debates. That’s because Trump also has a clear history with Epstein…’
        
        Jon Cooper
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        @joncoopertweets
        
        Donald Trump speaking of his longtime friend Jeffrey Epstein in 2002: “I’ve known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy. He’s a lot of fun to be with. It’s even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.”
        
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        2:24 AM – Jul 8, 2019
        
        https://www.pajiba.com/celebrities_are_better_than_you/what-jeffrey-epsteins-arrest-may-mean-for-donald-trump-and-bill-clinton.php
        
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        July 8, 2019 2:51pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        The evidence of the Flight Logs is reality Stephieboy. Can’t deny that.
        26 Flights with Epstein.
        And what’s your point about the Tweets?
        Trumps never denied he met Epstein in NY at the odd social function. Nor that he was a neighbour at Mar a Lago.
        He banned Epstein from there (and every other Trump Resort) when Epstein molested a 14 yo there.
        When Epstein was first arrested Trump voluntarily made a statement about Epstein to the Police. And now Trumps appointed Attorney General at the SDNY has charged Epstein- after he skated from serious charges in Florida.
        Say, speaking of being banned, been kicked out of St Luke’s yet?
        https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/09/general_debate_15_september_2018.html#comment-2309455
        
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        July 8, 2019 3:34pm
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Red, are you suggesting that the current President had no associations or connections with Epstein?
        
        I visit and shop at St Luke’s regularly as there is no reason for banning.
        
        Only in your fevered obsessive mind!
        
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        July 8, 2019 3:53pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        -1
        
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        July 8, 2019 3:56pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Oh, your post appeared again.
        Try reading my post again and this time concentrating on the words
        
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        July 8, 2019 4:14pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Time to let it go Timaru… Trump is here to stay and those who continue to rail against him are starting to look quite pathetic.
      
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      July 8, 2019 10:27am
      - tf78
        
        Tall Man – I watched a great Trump video – starts with a counter at 2020 election, then up by ten, then twenty years as the counter runs faster and faster (all to the Sorcerer’s Apprentice music) it stops and says “TRUMP FOREVA” it’s great.
        
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        July 8, 2019 11:43am
    - All_on_Red
      
      “as there is no reason for banning.”
      You mean you haven’t been caught yet.
      
      https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/09/general_debate_15_september_2018.html#comment-2309455
      
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      July 8, 2019 4:16pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Many people will be asking how many of Epstein’s very well-known associates might be implicated in his (alleged) criminal offending.
  
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  July 8, 2019 8:55am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    I guess we will soon discover – unless Mr Epstein is about to have a very distressing accident – probably falling from a 6th floor window…
    
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    July 8, 2019 9:09am
  - Im Right
    
    Ummmm Mr Epstein may be having an unfortunate ‘accident’ sometime soon, too many powerful people maybe in his net….the Clinton’s do not tolerate such problems to their mafia like Clinton Foundation slush fund!
    
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    July 8, 2019 9:11am
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      I believe the unfortunate coincidence of events are known in the trade as “Arkanside”
      
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      July 8, 2019 9:38am
    - Inandout
      
      Im Right, if you are implying ‘many powerful people may be in his net’, well that is what some were saying about ILG’s strange decisions.
      
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      July 8, 2019 10:06am
      - Tall Man
        
        Only those with the phone number of the pr girl for “what’s in it for wynston”.
        
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        July 8, 2019 10:24am
    - stephieboy
      
      Im Right = Im Wrong!
      
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      July 8, 2019 2:40pm
      - Tall Man
        
        We know you are steffy girl.
        
        Looks like it’s “dopey steffy” today.
        
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        July 8, 2019 5:41pm
  - Tall Man
    
    I really wish you hadn’t posed that question… how long before the pervert collector morris minor pops up?
    
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    July 8, 2019 10:22am
Maggie Pie

“Whites no longer recognised as South African citizens?”
I often work night shift with a really lovely girl from Browns Bay- she just emailed this link:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D-xhTsXWwAIma11?format=jpg&name=medium
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July 8, 2019 9:02am
- alloytoo
  
  Whites are only recognised as “Taxpayers” in South Africa, no other official recognition is really required.
  
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  July 8, 2019 9:38am
- Local Miller
  
  Apart from the very obvious race based conditions, there is also the indication that land is being nationalized and “the people” will only lease it form the state.
  Not a healthy future for SA.
  
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  July 8, 2019 10:08am
- rightoverlabour
  
  You have South African Friends? I hope the GCSB have ticked that on their fact sheet…..
  
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  July 8, 2019 10:27am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  I see the land is 130 km from Upington. Would that be land for Karakul sheep?
  
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  July 8, 2019 11:43am
- stephieboy
  
  Maggie Pie, if it is actually true. Besides makes a change when not long ago Black and coloured South Africans couldn’t own any land.
  
  Your link appears to be from the same myth making staple like this,
  
  ‘https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/24-03-2019/ex-pat-south-africans-need-to-stop-pedalling-the-myth-of-white-genocide/
  
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  July 8, 2019 2:56pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Well i certainly hope your not doubting the authenticity of the document steph!?
    My friend is an ex-pat white SA nurse and she was telling us that in a lot of cases these farms have been confiscated from their white owners and given to black non farmers who have absolutely no idea how to sustain them.
    She fears for the once beautiful country and her friends who are still stuck there.
    
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    July 8, 2019 3:32pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Maggie Pie, actual evidence.
      
      Not anecdotal!
      
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      July 8, 2019 3:57pm
      - rightoverlabour
        
        Fuck off to South Africa Nd find out yourself. Go to Soweto and ask a few questions. Oh and only buy a one way ticket. Because if you do go you probably won’t need the return part….
        
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        July 8, 2019 5:25pm
Lance

Boris Johnson sparks outrage by saying that English should be the first spoken language in England.
It’s a fucked up world when this attracts criticism.
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July 8, 2019 9:25am
- alloytoo
  
  All around the work parents undergo great sacrifice to ensure their children have English Language competency to ensure their ability to access the global economy.
  
  Except of course for native English speakers.
  
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  July 8, 2019 9:34am
  - Tall Man
    
    “Except of course for native English speakers”
    
    Chur bro, I knows what you fullas mean eh?
    
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    July 8, 2019 10:19am
  - Rob2
    
    You forgot Maori, didn’t you. They can’t be bothered and expect that us whitey’s want to learn their pidgin language.
    
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    July 8, 2019 10:51am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      No use–too few words post 1835.
      
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      July 8, 2019 11:14am
    - alloytoo
      
      I count that a treaty breach.
      
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      July 8, 2019 11:27am
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Having 7 independent nation tribes and no written language it would have been very hard to develop beyond the pa stage.
        The Elders in the 1930’s believed that English provided the way forward for their future in a developing world.
        
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        July 8, 2019 12:57pm
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Might be interesting to ask how many Pakistani MPs in Pakistan are immigrants?
  
  Or perhaps non indonesians in Jakarta? Or NO-Brazillians in Brazil, ditto Mexico, Argentina? Nigeria, Saudi, Egypt, Turkey, Japan, China?
  
  Remarkable. its almost like there is some preference for nationals of the same race to be in government virtually everywhere, except liberal western countries….. where apparently suggesting that immigrants learn the language of the country they choose to move to, is somehow objectionable!
  
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  July 8, 2019 9:43am
  - Tall Man
    
    I too wish the “woke” world would go back to sleep.
    
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    July 8, 2019 10:20am
- kowtow
  
  Immigration NZ requires not only the principal immigrant to be proficient in English but the spouse too.
  
  How “racist” is that ?
  
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  July 8, 2019 9:50am
  - Tall Man
    
    How enforced is that?
    
    Not often from what I see.
    
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    July 8, 2019 10:21am
  - Rob2
    
    Would be if it were enforced, which of course it is not.
    
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    July 8, 2019 10:51am
- MCos
  
  That’s not quite what he said
  “there are too often parts of our country … where English is not spoken by some people as their first language, and that needs to be changed,”
  
  I went to Wales a number of years ago and was surprised to find a lot of people preferring to talk in Welsh. There are other indigenous languages around about that some people prefer, too.
  Boris Johnson probably doesn’t know all that and is only thinking about languages introduced by ‘foreigners’.
  Many people are bilingual and can speak English fluently, but it’s never going to be their first language.
  
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  July 8, 2019 10:08am
  - Jack5
    
    The 2011 census determined that 19.01 per cent of the Wales population could speak Welsh and 14.57 per cent could speak, read and write in the language.
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Welsh_areas_by_percentage_of_Welsh-speakers
    
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    July 8, 2019 10:31am
mark15

Good morning everyone
Firearms amendment story again
Did you know that the police will decide how many magazines they will compensate you for?
Ie if they decide you have ‘stockpiled’ ten,they can decide to pay you out for five?
It’s at their ‘discretion’
Confiscated without compensation and collective punishment.
Let’s do this!
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July 8, 2019 9:27am
- SGA
  
  if they decide you have ‘stockpiled’ ten,they can decide to pay you out for five?
  
  Just out of curiosity. Why would someone have 10 magazines for a gun? If that’s what they want to spend their cash on, well I suppose there’s been no law against it. But I’m curious why anyone would want more than 2 or 3? Is owning 10 magazines for one gun a common thing?
  
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  July 8, 2019 10:06am
  - Tall Man
    
    Anything else in my life you feel the need to control.
    
    Is sex a couple of times a day too much, what about 2 pieces of toast when clearly only one would do?
    
    How about the “good” seats at the rugby when the ones behind the support pillars are good enough to see most of the game?
    
    How about we restrict the number of spark plugs as many cars now run quite well on three cylinders? I guess the idiots, in your mind, with the V8s can rotate those three around.
    
    How about we restrict the numbers of cartridges that a firearm owner has for his reloading. Surely three or four cartridges is more than enough.
    
    How about those of you that think it really vital for you to sort the rest of us out just fuck off and tend to your own issues.
    
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    July 8, 2019 10:17am
    - SGA
      
      That’s a bit of an over reaction, Tall Man. As I said, “If that’s what they want to spend their cash on, well I suppose there’s been no law against it.”
      
      Doesn’t stop me asking how widespread mark15’s problem is likely to be, or why anyone would want 10 magazines for a MSSA in the first place.
      
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      July 8, 2019 11:53am
      - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
        
        Very common to have a bunch of mags. They are a consumable, and do wear out. Very expensive in New Zealand, but in the US typically sold in 10 packs – so sporting shooters would import them in 10 packs (Magpul brand in particular, very desirable, very reliable).
        
        If you are competing you will typically be carrying 3 per stage. Some ranges its easy to reload between stages, others just load a bunch up first. A competition will be up to six stages in a day.
        
        If your magazine wears out or gets dirty, or dropped, or bends a lip, then it won’t feed properly – this is a stage lost in competition.
        
        From a pest control perspective, if your mag jams or empties, that could mean half a mob of goats not killed, or potentially worse, some left injured to die in the bush. Reloading a magazine in a helicopter is not very practical or safe
        
        There was a NZ producer who geared up the equipment to make magazines for AR-15s, good quality, shame his business is now stuffed and the investment wasted.
        
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        July 8, 2019 1:25pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Not really an over reaction. The why and what ifs are how this whole stupidity started.
        
        “Concerned” people who wouldn’t have a clue started asking and those that had even less knowledge started answering.
        
        Not one of the serious contributors to the discussion was actually taken seriously so you reach a point where the phrase “go fuck yourself” becomes the only logical response.
        
        Imagine if ardern and the rest of the idiots decided a favourite pastime of yours was not “acceptable” but refused to take any advice from those familiar with that pastime.
        
        Wait until motor racing gets banned. I wonder if the “woke” already have that plan in mind.
        
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        July 8, 2019 2:00pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Save wasting time reloading when you go to a Range for practice
    
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    July 8, 2019 10:29am
    - SGA
      
      I wondered about that – so it is quite common for MSSA owners to have 10 magazines to go with their gun? I wouldn’t have guessed that, even for range practice – we live and learn.
      
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      July 8, 2019 10:32am
      - Tall Man
        
        Some just live……
        
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        July 8, 2019 10:59am
      - SGA
        
        🙂
        
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        July 8, 2019 11:59am
      - All_on_Red
        
        I don’t know how common owning 10 mags is.
        I’d observe that quite a few gun owners don’t even hunt but just go to the range and fire them for fun.
        Shocking, isn’t it.
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        July 8, 2019 12:17pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Makes a change from shooting Tahr, deer etc.
      
      http://www.americangunsports.com/rifles
      
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      July 8, 2019 10:54am
      - Swifty
        
        How much experience have you had with firearms in your lifetime Stiffy?
        
        Have you been an owner?
        Licensed?
        Ever hunted?
        Used firearms to put food on the table?
        
        Genuine questions.
        
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        July 8, 2019 12:37pm
    - Tall Man
      
      I’m sure there is someone out there that will find a way to view that comment as “disturbing”.
      
      What has amused me is all the people that have chosen to “comment” on the firearms debate that haven’t got a clue about the how, what, why or where of firearms or the ownership of them and demonstrate that ignorance every time they open their gobs or keyboard.
      
      I know fuckall about many subjects that often get posted here and I avoid them because I have nothing to add yet these numbnuts think their “opinion” on something they know nothing about is “gold”……
      
      Rant over… for the moment 😉
      
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      July 8, 2019 10:58am
  - mark15
    
    Magazines for ar15s and ak47 derivatives (which this ban is for) weren’t easily available in NZ until a couple of manufacturers tooled up to produce ar15 magazines domestically.Many people preferred US made ones so had to apply for an import permit and 10 was about the most you would be allowed to import at one time.The magazines don’t last forever.In my opinion it is indicative that NZP would not purchase NZ produced magazines for their ar15s.
    
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    July 8, 2019 10:29am
  - Fletch
    
    This whole confiscation thing won’t make a difference, the same as it didn’t in Australia.
    
    https://www.facebook.com/prageru/videos/vb.127225910653607/456297921594377/?type=2&theater
    
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    July 8, 2019 12:15pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Fletch, any Port Arthur massacres since?
      
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      July 8, 2019 3:01pm
      - rightoverlabour
        
        No but quite a few Muslim terror attacks [Deleted; Mod]
        
        [Mod; you can make your point without gratuitous abuse]
        
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        July 8, 2019 5:27pm
  - freethinker
    
    By the same token I see no reason why Po lice officers need more than one vehicle for personal use so lets make it illegal. Officer that your Harley in the driveway next to your Big Holden – yes – OK its confiscated with compensation – Wholesale price less 25% for in new condition – how many Kms – 50,000 on the Holden 20,000 on the Harley however they both have minor dings so its only 25%, and in future you need to de rate the motor so its only capable of 100Kmph.
    
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    July 8, 2019 1:18pm
- Inandout
  
  mark15, 800 or so handed in so far out of hundreds of thousands. This may backfire on Jacinda with a tidal wave of anger, something not needed by Labour in 2020. Quick, give caregivers an hourly rate, don’t think about the rorts just now, just yell it from the rooftops. Winston must be wondering if he has carried the ‘hate Simon’ crusade a tad too far.
  
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  July 8, 2019 10:14am
  - greybeard
    
    In principle I agree with the increase for caregivers but like you the word ‘rort’ sprang to mind immediately.
    Like every other CoL ‘decision’ it will not have been thought through at all, and there will be unforeseen outcomes.
    All of them expensive.
    
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    July 8, 2019 1:04pm
wreck1080

Now the health system is racist !

I see poor Māori health as a socioeconomic issue. Not a racial issue.

I dread the amount of money that it will take to ferry sick Māori to medical appointments.

The Māori now have another reason to blame the white man for their situation.
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July 8, 2019 9:44am
- alloytoo
  
  The Māori now have another reason to blame the white man for their situation.
  
  Well if the Crown hadn’t come along an built those damn hospitals…..
  
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  July 8, 2019 10:03am
  - MCos
    
    They needed them back in the early days because of the illness caused by introduced diseases.
    Between 1840 and 1891 the Māori population may have halved. The population continued to decline until the century was nearly over.
    The 1918 flu epidemic for example killed more tham 4% of all Maori (0.55% of pakeha)
    https://teara.govt.nz/en/te-hauora-maori-i-mua-history-of-maori-health/page-2
    
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    July 8, 2019 10:23am
    - alloytoo
      
      The Black Death decimated about 60% of Europe’s population in the 14th century.
      
      These things unfortunately happen.
      
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      July 8, 2019 3:30pm
  - Jack5
    
    Macrons all over the posts today.
    
    Or, in Maori, tohutō, derived ultimately from the English word “hat”.
    
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    July 8, 2019 10:41am
    - Tall Man
      
      Always thought it was potae.
      
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      July 8, 2019 2:17pm
Maggie Pie

We were discussing with friends over the weekend some of the problems now besetting this city – particularly in relation to the building industry.
The consensus of opinion was that any residential dwelling or apartment complex, which has either been developed by, funded by, designed by, or built by, any persons or organisations with an Asian connection, should be avoided at all cost.
Just saying.
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July 8, 2019 9:59am
- MCos
  
  I lived in a number of houses and apartments in Bangkok designed and built by Asians, three of which we owned at one time or other.
  Nothing wrong with them.
  
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  July 8, 2019 10:28am
  - Jack5
    
    The link below is to a new building in Christchurch that allegedly has serious design flaws, and was designed by a Korean, but I think he learned engineering in NZ.
    
    Then there are the magnificent buildings of the great Chinese American architect Ieoh Ming Pei. His designs varied from the Louvre glass pyramid to the Bank of China Tower in Hong Kong (second link below: it’s high resolution, give the picture time to load).
    
    New Christchurch building has flaws:
    
    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL1905/S00114/new-christchurch-building-has-serious-flaws-engineers.htm
    
    Pei’s tower:
    
    https://static.thousandwonders.net/Bank.of.China.Tower.original.7862.jpg
    
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    July 8, 2019 11:17am
    - MCos
      
      From the Scoop article
      ‘The Christchurch City Council had approved the structural design, which was also okayed by Miyamoto International NZ, a US-New Zealand engineering firm based in Wellington.’
      
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      July 8, 2019 12:36pm
      - freethinker
        
        Having had dealings with these “Engineers” I wouldn’t commission them to design a garden shed.
        
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        July 8, 2019 1:22pm
  - Tall Man
    
    To be fair timaru, their standard of construction falls way below what we would accept here, especially the wiring on the surface of the walls and the extra plumbing around the walls as well.
    
    And………………
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shqaQopEmhY
    
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    July 8, 2019 2:15pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Does ‘Asian connection’ include any Indian or Chinese ancestry, or do Asian ‘connections’ ameliorate over the generations?
  
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  July 8, 2019 10:28am
- stephieboy
  
  Maggie Pie, may I say your anecdotes about friends and rellies appear to contain a fair share of bigots.
  
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  July 8, 2019 10:59am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    The thing is ‘stephieboy’, my partner reckons that what YOU fail to recognize, is that to accuse others of being a bigot, then you too must also be intolerant of that persons intolerance. Therefore it is self evident that the term ‘bigot’ in a sense, can not actually exist in a free society or open debate because of its self-destructing and hypocritical nature.
    Just saying.
    
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    July 8, 2019 12:12pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Stephie is well known for stalking women on here.
      Since MW is away, it’s looks like you’re it.
      Lucky you…
      
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      July 8, 2019 12:50pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Fine with me! When i was flatting in Wellington, i used to make a few bucks on the side selling my worn panties 🙂
        
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        July 8, 2019 1:01pm
      - Jack5
        
        All_on_Red … The Stephieboy pseudonym is used by a group.
        
        At least one present or former member of them boasted of perving on pre-pubescent girls at his local mall, but many or all of the Stephies hound women posters on the blog.
        
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        July 8, 2019 1:27pm
      - Tall Man
        
        I have always thought steffy was a girl just by the way she forms a few of her comments but I am prepared to accept there may be a few posting under that pseudonym.
        
        I just thought was had “steffy on meds” and “steffy off meds”.
        
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        July 8, 2019 2:10pm
      - stephieboy
        
        “All_on_Red … The Stephieboy pseudonym is used by a group.”
        
        LOL!
        
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        July 8, 2019 3:02pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Jack
        Alas it’s usually one person. The dummy outed his identity a couple of Christmases ago.
        Although I suspect a family member might use it occasionally. You can usually tell as the spelling and grammar improves!
        
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        July 8, 2019 3:40pm
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Red,
        
        Still Stalking?
        
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        July 8, 2019 4:06pm
      - Jack5
        
        There are marked, and fairly frequent differences in punctuation and idiom in the Stephie posts.
        Also variation in the views.
        
        Under the Stephie pseudonym there have been the mall-peeper posts and creepy posts about women posters, and a lesser times quite serious posts that might very well have been made by a woman.
        
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        July 8, 2019 4:50pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        It’s ok Stephie
        No need to be unsure whether you’re a Stalker
        We know you are.
        Lol
        
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        July 8, 2019 5:30pm
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Red, doxing on the cards again?
        
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        July 8, 2019 7:24pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Lol- you outed yourself!!!
        So funny. So full of pride that you were giving the Christmas reading at Church. And you name was on the Reading List!
        With your Facebook Page on the Churches web site…
        Hapless doesn’t describe how dumb that was.
        As for cards my little friend. It’s clear you’re not playing with the full deck.
        
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        July 8, 2019 7:58pm
- kowtow
  
  The Japs,who are of course Asian , build sky scrapers that stay up in big quakes, just sayin’.
  
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  July 8, 2019 11:58am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    You are quite right of course kowtow – the Japanese people we know are wonderful people although we’ve never actually considered them ‘asian’.
    For clarity, my partner had been referring specificaly to Chinese and Koreans. [‘Victopia’ being the latest example.]
    
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    July 8, 2019 12:45pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      So it’s only Chinese (all Chinese?) and Koreans (all Koreans?) who you count as unable to develop, fund, design, or build things to a standard you consider acceptable?
      
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      July 8, 2019 1:18pm
    - freethinker
      
      Out of choice I would prefer 1000 Japanese neighbours to a Muslim.
      
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      July 8, 2019 1:24pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Are Japanese “Asian”?
    Maybe (from a Western perspective), but you will find that many Japanese draw a distinction between their island and the continent of Asia.
    
    It’s a bit like calling an Englishman a “European.”
    
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    July 8, 2019 1:23pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Or an Irish person ‘British’.
      
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      July 8, 2019 2:29pm
      - kowtow
        
        Check in to the Sandy Row on July 12 , you’ll find plenty.
        
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        July 8, 2019 4:38pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Odakyu-sen, Japan historically owes a lot to Chinese Civilisation and culture.
      
      During its classical period, Japan was highly influenced by Chinese culture. The influence of Buddhism, Confucianism, and other elements of Chinese culture had a profound impact on the development of Japanese culture.
      
      http://afe.easia.columbia.edu/at/cl_japan/cj01.html
      
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      July 8, 2019 3:06pm
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        Yes, you are correct about Japanese history.
        
        Meanwhile, dozens of centuries and a world war later, here we are…
        
        In the words of the great Chinese philospher Master Oogway: “Yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today is a gift. That is why it’s called the present.”
        
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        July 8, 2019 3:58pm
      - stephieboy
        
        And the Japanese imported a great deal from China!
        
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        July 8, 2019 4:08pm
      - SGA
        
        In the words of the great Chinese philospher Master Oogway: “Yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today is a gift. That is why it’s called the present.”
        
        It’s odd, Ithought, that the Chinese word “present” should also mean “now” and “gift” as it does in English.
        Then the penny dropped… cute 🙂
        
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        July 8, 2019 8:27pm
Jack5

Right old barney at a beauty festival in Tonga – the “Friendly Islands”.

The Deputy Prime Minister shuts down the speech of the Tongan prize winner of the ” Miss Heilala”contest, and when a Melanesian from Papua New Guinea wins the Miss Pacific Islands title there is racist abuse.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/pacific/393846/anger-as-tongan-beauty-queen-s-bullying-claim-speech-disrupted
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July 8, 2019 10:16am
- KevO'Brien
  
  This seems understandable. Tonga is governed by a nobility and they do have power. Disobedience there has consequences.
  
  Tonga is also fiercely Polynesian. Papua Niu Guinea is Melanesian and is not regarded as part of their Pacific.
  
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  July 8, 2019 11:26am
  - toby1845
    
    “Papua Niu Guinea…”
    
    Sorry, but if you are going to do the tokpisin thing, it’s actually ‘Papua Niugini.’
    
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    July 8, 2019 12:43pm
Hugh Pavletich

NEW ZEALAND HOUSING …

… How much longer do we have to wait for Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern to fully support Urban Development Minister Phil Twyford to deal with the basic structural issues of land supply / urban limits abolition and proper debt financing of infrastructure … so that affordable housing is built and the parents can afford decent food for their children ? …

Cash-strapped parents stressed about providing food – report | RNZ News

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/393838/cash-strapped-parents-stressed-about-providing-food-report

One in five children are living in households where putting food on the table is a struggle, according to a new report from the Ministry of Health. … read more via hyperlink above …

… while this ‘rental circus’ is still going on due to central and too many local governments not learning from Greater Christchurch … and simply not allowing increasingly affordable housing to be built ? …

… Hasn’t the dishonesty, humbug and incompetence across the political spectrum gone on long enough ? …
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https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/07/general_debate_5_july_2019.html/comment-page-1#comment-2519124

Rents in Wellington are rising so strongly they are closing in on Auckland, with average Auckland rent now just 5% higher than Wellington average … Greg Ninness … Interest Co NZ
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… The government knows exactly what needs to be done …

… Why are we still waiting ? …

New Zealaned Housing Minister Phil Twyfords speech to the New Zealand Initiative Members Retreat … New Zealand Government / Beehive

https://www.beehive.govt.nz/speech/speech-nz-initiative-members%E2%80%99-retreat
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July 8, 2019 10:24am
- sooty
  
  See hughie and that fool Twyford are bestmates!
  
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  July 8, 2019 11:51am
- toby1845
  
  Reported as spam.
  
  Mods: how much longer do we have to put up with HuPav’s nonsense?
  
  (Mod: if we banned Hugh’s nonsense we’d probably have to ban a lot of other stuff. It doesn’t break any rules.)
  
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  July 8, 2019 12:44pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Good point, Mod. Plenty of gibberish on Kiwiblog every day, and links to sillier nonsense than Hugh ever posts.
    
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    July 8, 2019 1:29pm
    - Batman
      
      Careful Mike, that would include some of your more trolly posts ?
      
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      July 8, 2019 1:36pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Of course.
        I just don’t know why people single out Hugh as a particular source of irritation. Hugh’s main arguments about land supply, etc are mainstream liberal thinking.
        He’s no stephieboy or Fletch, that’s for sure.
        
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        July 8, 2019 1:42pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Nor a milkenmildagain!
        
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        July 8, 2019 2:35pm
  - Swifty
    
    From KS’s Comments Policy:
    
    ‘Advertising spam however is always unwelcome and is deleted and blacklisted on a regular basis.’
    
    I might have thought Hugh Pathetic’s daily link-whoring to his own site and other constant self-promotion would qualify.
    
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    July 8, 2019 2:12pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      When were you ever in favour of complying with the comments policy, Swifty?
      BTW, ‘link whoring’ couldn’t apply to Hugh’s 10.24 am post as the links are not to his own site.
      
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      July 8, 2019 3:19pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        I am only urging the Labour – led government to get on and do what it promised in the lead up to the 2017 election and beyond …
        
        … And (sob sob) what my National Party comrades promised well prior to the 2008 election … and beyond ( refer the screeds and screeds and screeds of stuff over 15 years at http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org ) …
        
        John Key on housing reform 2007 …
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWPgoAI1cLE
        
        Bill English October 2012 … following Productivity Commission Report …
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuCchEb-XOk
        
        Bill English on abolishing Auckland’s urban limits early 2016 …
        
        Labour, National both tell council Auckland city growth limits should be abolished … Sam Sachdeva … May 2016 … Stuff NZ
        
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/80113578/labour-auckland-city-growth-limits-should-be-abolished?rm=m
        
        No wonder twice as many Kiwis are of the view a Labour – led government will solve the housing crisis … in contrast to a National – led one.
        
        This is why … deservedly … the National Party is on the Opposition benches.
        
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        July 8, 2019 4:28pm
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        Oh for Christ’s sake Hugh get over yourself.
        
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        July 8, 2019 8:12pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        California … the housing fiasco …
        
        Mass Exodus of Workers Due to Lousy Housing Market – The Santa Barbara Independent
        
        https://www.independent.com/2019/07/07/mass-exodus-of-workers-due-to-lousy-housing-market/
        
        Why Stay in California When Good Jobs and Homes Are Elsewhere?
        
        California’s lousy housing market has gone from a trivial issue to a major crisis that may soon turn into a statewide economic downturn. From low-income laborers to high-income doctors, there are few industries that are safe from the state’s crumbling real estate market.
        
        The housing market itself is troubled by two factors: a lack of supply and rising costs. The Legislative Analyst’s Office (LAO), the state’s agency responsible for fiscal and policy advice, has estimated the shortage is between 3.5 million to 4 million units. The lack of housing has not only driven up prices by 24.9 percent (for two-bedroom homes) since 2010, but it has also had a noticeable effect on migration. In another report, the LAO found that between 2007 and 2016, net migration in California was negative one-million individuals.
        
        Interestingly, this mass exodus of people is siphoning off not just low-income earners but high-income earners as well. The tech firms and financial service giants of Silicon Valley and San Francisco will likely be the first to feel the effects of this squeeze on their workforce. … read more via hyperlink above …
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        2019 15th Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey
        
        http://www.demographia.com/dhi.pdf
        
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        July 8, 2019 8:16pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Surely as property developer you sense the pending GFC? This doesn’t seem a smart time for massive development.
  
  We’ve been through these global upheavals before. Asset prices have to be adjusted down and your feeling for affordable homes eventually appreciated. Manufacturing money for the elite classes to become baronets in a new feudal world has to stop.
  
  I don’t believe Twyford and Co have ability to manage through what is coming. NZ is going to need the most skilled governance it can get.
  
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  July 8, 2019 1:09pm
rightoverlabour

I don’t understand the problem here.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/114034986/mighty-ape-defends-online-sales-of-alcoholfree-beer

Auckland Council’s manager of alcohol licensing Peter Knight said that any drink with less than 1.15 per cent alcohol content was considered alcohol-free, and therefore didn’t fall under local council’s remit.

But Fidler said Mighty Ape had still marketed it like an alcoholic product.
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July 8, 2019 10:26am
- tf78
  
  Next they will be coming for Bundaberg Ginger Beer.
  
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  July 8, 2019 12:04pm
Jack5

The push is on for publicly funded “cultural reports” to the courts, and Angry Andy, the relevant Minister, seems to support the idea.

Could the ultimate effect mean gang members or former members would get lighter sentences than other citizens?

I note that one of the present “culture report” writers is Black Power life member and social activist Denis O’Reilly. (They aren’t publicly funded, and can cost defendants as much as $3000 to prepare).

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/393862/funding-cultural-reports-a-matter-of-natural-humanity-lawyer
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July 8, 2019 10:27am
Fletch

Huawei again. A new study from a London based think-tank shows links between Huawei engineers and China’s massive military agency responsible for conducting cyber espionage. Analysis of hundreds of leaked resumes reveals surprising amounts of collaboration between Huawei engineers and China’s military.

Using a unique dataset of CVs, this paper analyzes the relationship between key Huawei personnel and the Chinese state security services. Based upon an analysis of this dataset, I find there is strong evidence that Huawei personnel act at the direction of Chinese state intelligence, and that there exists a deep and lasting relationship between Huawei, its employees, and the Chinese state. This should raise questions within Western governments worried about Chinese access to domestic information.

https://cdn01.dailycaller.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/SSRN-id3415726.pdf
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July 8, 2019 12:30pm
- Komata
  
  Fletch@1230
  
  If it comes out of China it will have some connection with the CCP; that’s the way things work.
  
  THE PARTY is all pervasive and at all levels; to think otherwise is to be incredibly niave.
  
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  July 8, 2019 1:08pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  All the “evidence” by the activists shows is that able, well educated people move with their skills between govt and industry. All normal. Security is an internal matter but commercial perceptions particularly need to be maintained.
  US Treasury frequently interchanges staff with Goldman Sachs.
  
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  July 8, 2019 1:23pm
Kiwi Dave

Dear TV1

I started watching one of your programmes last night but the horror of racism in NZ was too much for me to bear so I switched off.

A small bunch (how representative of NZ are they?) of teenage girls unable to date correctly the ToW told me nothing about racism in NZ.

The presence of only one Maori on our bank notes told me nothing about racism in NZ, contra the insinuation of one of your presenters.

That only one teenage boy was able to identify Apirana Ngata on a banknote but several could identify Edmund Hillary told me nothing about racism in NZ – or do you think they could have identified Michael Joseph Savage more successfully.

Perhaps it got better later, but I had stopped watching. If you want adults to watch your documentaries, make adult documentaries.
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July 8, 2019 12:51pm
secondcumming

The NBR reports Goff as saying, “Central government will tell John Tamihere to rack off”

Just another reason to give JT the vote 😎

*Lest we forget*
https://www.w3vietnam.org.nz/images/goffandclark.bmp
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July 8, 2019 1:37pm
- tf78
  
  I have just received an email from the taxpayers union – it mentions that Local boards can pay elected members up to $6,000/year for childcare services. How very generous of them.
  
  Does anyone know John Tamihere’s email address. I watched him interviewed with Phil Goff. Looks to have potential as far as I can see. At least he can add and doesn’t come across as a weasel.
  
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  July 8, 2019 3:41pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    He has a Facebook page I think. He does advertise himself on FB
    
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    July 8, 2019 5:33pm
Jack5

Jacinderella’s Labour Coalition cash lolly scramble continues.

The Health Research Council has granted an Auckland University Pacific studies lecturer $603,400 (USD 400,000) to study how New Zealand’s mental health sector can be prepared to look after Pacific climate refugees.

Our psychiatric hospitals are run down, overcrowded and under-funded, and we are spending mental-health money on “climate change” effects?

Almost every second day our Leftist media is blaming present NZ mental health services for not saving someone from committing suicide, or murder, or even rape. They don’t focus on the mental health system’s lack of facilities, staff, and money.

The recipient of the grant, Jemaima Tiatia-Seath, of Auckland University, says 75 million people in the Asia Pacific region could be forced to flee by climate change.

Radio NZ reports her as saying: “It’s an opportunity to intervene early and gear up our mental health sector to prepare for what may be an influx of climate migrants.”

The Health Research Council falls under the jurisdiction of both David Clark, Minister of Health, and Megan Woods, the Minister of Research, Science and Innovation.

Both Clark and Woods have the honorific “Dr”, but neither is a medical doctor. Clark, after initially dipping into medicine studies, became a Presbyterian minister and then Treasury analyst. Woods obtained her Ph. D. in history (as I recall, her thesis was on a feminism-related topic).

https://www.rnz.co.nz/international/pacific-news/393847/wellbeing-of-pacific-climate-migrants-to-be-studied
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July 8, 2019 1:54pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  The HRC is funded for research. Money spent on health research is not money available directly on health services. Unless your argument is a more general one, along the lines of “why do my local councillors have scones for their meetings when the drain outside my house has been blocked for two days!”
  Also, is it your contention that only a medical doctor could be minister of health, or only a lawyer minister of justice, for example?
  
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  July 8, 2019 2:35pm
  - Jack5
    
    HRC funds come from the taxpayer. So do funds for the health services.
    
    It’s of interest that the Minister of Health, typically known with the honorific “Dr,” isn’t a medical doctor. That’s all.
    
    Wouldn’t want him being able to certify you, Milky.
    
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    July 8, 2019 4:44pm
    - Doctor Who
      
      Actually, it is PhDs (DSc, LLD etc) who are entitled to use the title “Doctor”; medical practitioners with bachelor degrees use title “Doctor” because they are doctors by occupation, but the title is honorific, in UK and NZ etc they do not hold a university doctorate. In the USA, the MD, BDS is a graduate degree like the MB, BS/ChB, BDS. (Surgeons used the title “Mr” because once they were barbers.)
      
      So, the word “doctor” is used as a title and an occupation.
      
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      July 8, 2019 9:49pm
- tf78
  
  The money would be better spent on an Ark.
  
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  July 8, 2019 3:44pm
stephieboy

Japanese man invents a machine to convert plastic into oil!

When an invention like this is already up and working why don’t our governments have them installed everywhere

This gives us hope of building a better world to hand onto our grandchildren as someone has posted,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=8&v=qGGabrorRS8
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July 8, 2019 2:32pm
Wired-one

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/07/paula-bennett-scorns-jacinda-ardern-over-ridiculous-openness-to-climate-emergency.html

Good on you Paula. It’s about time the opposition started to really attack and point out Arderns ineptitude.
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July 8, 2019 2:52pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  I’d be more impressed if they bothered to get submissions from the hundreds of scientists that argue that Climate Change is bollocks.
  
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  July 8, 2019 8:56pm
Maggie Pie

Lefty political commentator BRYCE EDWARDS surprises me on twitter 🙂

https://twitter.com/bryce_edwards/status/1147639718625996801
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July 8, 2019 3:45pm
- Tall Man
  
  Excellent. The comments reveal a lot don’t they.
  
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  July 8, 2019 4:23pm
Fletch

Sean Plunket interviews Jordan Peterson.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLfBWM0L3Vo

The first question he asks Peterson, is why are you one of the most hated people online *SMH*
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July 8, 2019 4:58pm
Odakyu-sen

Here we go (again).
Japan vs. ROK trade war.
Ref: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9MTWM6SfFM

If you imagine Japan to be Britain, then Korea is definitely Ireland. (So much bad blood.)

And just when relations were starting to improve. (I couldn’t believe the number of Korean BBQ resturants in Tokyo the last time I was there.)
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July 8, 2019 5:16pm
Maggie Pie

Just heard HDPA [i really like her] interviewing that horribel Tim Barnett on 1ZB.
Is it just me, or does his voice make any one else’s skin crawl?
🙁
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July 8, 2019 5:22pm
- greybeard
  
  No, it is not just you.
  
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  July 8, 2019 6:11pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Thank goodness for that gb!
    Once again Timmy was on the case of a ‘private business’ that wants to make small profits from the stupid & vulnerable in society by lending them money.
    As my partner sez, “Thats the very reason God put them here. If everybody was smart, they’d ALL be living in Remmers”
    
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    July 8, 2019 6:32pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Dad4Justice had lots of things to say about Tim Barnett on this Kiwiblog thread when he announced his retirement from politics!
  
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  July 8, 2019 6:55pm
  - Swifty
    
    ‘Hearing all about his anal exploits while in England at the lunch table put me off my food.’
    
    Heh
    
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    July 8, 2019 8:03pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Goodness me Nostra – that explains a lot! Thnks for posting.
    TBH, we had no idea 🙁
    
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    July 8, 2019 8:24pm
info@cruzpro.com

New “Green car initiative”. There is a new proposal from the government to tax imports of “dirty” cars and offer financial incentives of up to $8000 to people buying “cleaner” cars.

As part of this proposal the government will renege on the promise of not charging electric vehicles road user charges till 10,000 electric cars are on the roads in New Zealand.

Those of us early adopters that bought an electric car (at a relatively high cost) would have to start paying road user charges earlier than promised.

If you have been thinking about buying an electric car it might pay to wait till the financial incentives are actually in place. Don’t buy one now (and don’t believe anything that the government promises you)!
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