General Debate 5 July 2019

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Tony Stuart

Looks like DPF is still under the weather; get well soon buddy!
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July 5, 2019 8:01am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  I am beginning to suspect black ops from the Clown party.
  
  They are a little scaredy that those promoting free thought and speech, moderation or not, will prove to be their cockroach moment after their well-meaning government experiment implodes into the pile of shit that it turning out to be.
  
  The saving grace is that we ALL know that organising a piss up in a brewery is not the Clown party strong suite and, any such covert operation could not have been conceived let alone completed without $5 mil Cullen led working group before overspending on the execution.
  
  Amateur hour extremeus.
  
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  July 5, 2019 8:22am
  - 453mm
    
    A black op from that lot would end up only about 5% grey.
    
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    July 5, 2019 9:57am
    - sooty
      
      I thought that fool Twyford was the black op!
      
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      July 5, 2019 11:43am
artemisia

Tenants are being invited to dob in their landlords in exchange for potentially big bucks if there is not the required insulation in their rental. Fair enough, it’s the rules. Some media are reporting tenants being given termination notices (these are not evictions, yet), and there are more not reported publicly.

I assume tenants who want to apply to the Tenancy Tribunal for a payout will have to do their own research – the insulation requirements, proof of the the actuals compared to the requirements including exemptions, the communications etc etc. It’s not simple.

By way of comparison, Mr Robertson early in his Finance Minister role, went very loud and public about extortionate rents. He invited tenants to tell him their story, and hundreds did.

Emails were printed and plastered all over his big Wellington office window. Mr Robertson apparently replied to them saying to go to the Tenancy Tribunal for a rent reduction.

How many went to the Tenancy Tribunal based on that initiative? Very few, if any. How many won their case – I found zero. Tenants had to make a case that rent was significantly higher than market. That is a high bar that involved work – research, building a case, paying the application fee and turning up to the hearing. Did I mention work?

And if tenants did apply to the Tenancy Tribunal, all the landlord had to do was provide a sheaf of vacancy ads and property manager reports to show actual market rents for similar rentals. Not hard when there are shortages and serious rent rises.

Sure some tenants will go to the Tenancy Tribunal about insulation and maybe get awarded big bucks. We can be 100% certain these cases will be reported on, even if only within landlord groups. Then consequences ….
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July 5, 2019 8:06am
- freethinker
  
  As tenancy tribunal decisions are publicly available and used by letting agents as part of their vetting process tenants may find a $4000 win is nice but not nice when their tenancy terminates and they find a replacement difficult. Still tents/cars/caravans/garages and bridges are all readily available and may even improve your position on HNZ waiting list.
  
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  July 5, 2019 8:17am
  - artemisia
    
    Correct, and of course other consequences are also quite possible. Like notice to terminate, property up for sale.
    
    If tenants want a share of the lolly they will all have to be named on the TT application. Multiple consequences! Hard to imagine the TT awarding a full amount to just one tenant on a tenancy agreement. (Though it is not called the Kangaroo Kourt for nothing.)
    
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    July 5, 2019 8:37am
- WaveyDavey
  
  A couple of things.
  
  Firstly the words “may” and “up to” seem to be getting overlooked in this conversation (sorry couldn’t help myself).
  
  We can be pretty certain that the top amount will be reserved for the most egregious cases so the overwhelming majority are likely to be in the sub-$1000 area.
  
  A tenant has to ask themselves whether it’s worth risking their tenancy and any future tenancy for the sake of $500.
  
  Secondly, with regard to the Tenancy Tribunal, fully 80% of all cases that are taken to it relate to rent arrears or unpaid rent, it’s pretty obvious where the overwhelming problem lies when roughly 90% of cases are taken by landlords against tenants.
  
  As I’ve mentioned before I am a mod on a tenancy advice discussion group and you have very little idea what tenants truly believe landlords should be responsible for. I’m frankly amazed that many of them can dress themselves without help.
  
  On the other hand landlords have known that this law was coming in for many years now and whether they agree with it or not they have had time to prepare for it. More fool them if they stuck their heads in the sand and hoped it would go away.
  
  Again as I’ve said before, our remaining rentals all have heat pumps and all have insulation. What they don’t have is tenants because they’re too much trouble but the properties certainly meet the new rules and the incoming ones for 2021.
  
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  July 5, 2019 8:46am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Who pays for the use of the newly demanded heat pumps?
    
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    July 5, 2019 9:26am
    - WaveyDavey
      
      Currently the tenant. However the idiots at “Renters United” feel that LL’s should be paying the power bill and they seem to have this government’s ear.
      
      If you mean our heatpumps, then it’s our airbnb guests.
      
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      July 5, 2019 11:26am
- All_on_Red
  
  If Landlords try to Terminate a Tenancy because a Tenant complained about no insulation then it’s highly likely the Tribunal would view that as a ‘Retaliatory Notice’ and void the Termination.
  And fair enough too.
  
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  July 5, 2019 8:52am
  - WaveyDavey
    
    Yep, but a smart landlord will give a decent amount of time before serving notice. Personally I’d be finding a relative in sudden need of accommodation.
    
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    July 5, 2019 8:57am
  - artemisia
    
    Maybe, maybe not AOR. It’s not black and white.
    
    One factor will be if notice was issued before a complaint.
    
    In any case, a fixed term tenancy can be terminated (by either party) with correct notice or by agreement between the parties.
    
    A periodic or fixed term tenancy is terminated if one or more tenants leave the rental and the landlord does not agree to assignment.
    
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    July 5, 2019 9:01am
    - All_on_Red
      
      I think it’s pretty ‘black and white’ ‘If Landlords try to Terminate a Tenancy because a Tenant complained about no insulation’.
      
      Sure any Agreement can be terminated by mutual agreement etc but that’s not what I’m talking about.
      
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      July 5, 2019 9:36am
      - Nigel Kearney
        
        If the landlord said (in writing) “Sorry, I’m terminating your tenancy because you complained about the lack of insulation” then that would be black and white. But in practice that will not be how it happens.
        
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        July 5, 2019 10:05am
      - All_on_Red
        
        True.
        The Landlord probably wouldn’t be so specific. But the Tenant would file a Complaint to the Tenancy Tribunal, who would probably note the prior complaint about the lack of insulation and draw the logical conclusion that the Landlord terminating the Tenancy now is a ‘Retaliatory Notice’.
        
        ‘A ‘retaliatory notice’ is where a landlord gives a notice to a tenant to end a tenancy in retaliation for a tenant standing up for their rights. For example, if they make a complaint about the tenancy.
        
        It is an unlawful act for a landlord to issue a retaliatory notice. The Tenancy Tribunal can award exemplary damages of up to $4,000 if a landlord does this.
        
        If a landlord issues a retaliatory notice the tenant can apply to the Tribunal to have the notice set aside. The tenant has to apply within 28 working days of receiving the notice.’
        https://www.tenancy.govt.nz/ending-a-tenancy/giving-notice-to-end-tenancy/
        
        What’s the matter with you guys. I know the public can be a bunch of lying cheating c**ts but so can Landlords.
        Personally I’d just insulate the house. Happy Tenant will stay and pay.
        
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        July 5, 2019 10:41am
      - SGA
        
        What’s the matter with you guys. I know the public can be a bunch of lying cheating c**ts but so can Landlords.
        Personally I’d just insulate the house. Happy Tenant will stay and pay.
        
        I wondered the same as I read through this thread. I started to realise why we might need a Tenancy Tribunal.
        
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        July 5, 2019 10:50am
      - WaveyDavey
        
        We need a TT for the 80% of cases that relate to non-payment of rent. LL’s need some recourse.
        
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        July 5, 2019 11:31am
      - sooty
        
        I think the landlord has the right to have a vacant property because it is no longer legal to be rented out,. He is no longer able to have a rental without tenancyagreement. In the old days you could have a private agreement.
        
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        July 5, 2019 11:54am
    - WaveyDavey
      
      You really don’t understand a fixed-term tenancy then.
      
      Neither side can give notice if it’s fixed-term. They can agree to end it early but only an eviction or a claim of hardship can end it otherwise.
      
      And no, if a tenant leaves a rental they’re still liable for the rent until the end of the fixed-term.
      
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      July 5, 2019 11:28am
      - artemisia
        
        If any tenant on the tenancy agreement leaves, the fixed term (or periodic for that matter) tenancy is terminated unless the landlord agrees to the change.
        
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        July 5, 2019 12:00pm
      - WaveyDavey
        
        Nope. Wrong again. You really don’t understand the rules around fixed-term tenancies. You can’t just unilaterally remove yourself from the contract.Simply, you cannot just walk away from what is a legally binding document.
        
        Seriously it’s easy enough to find this stuff out.
        
        https://www.tenancy.govt.nz/ending-a-tenancy/ending-a-fixed-term-early/
        
        – Landlords and tenants can agree to end the tenancy early
        
        – A tenant might assign or sublet the property (only if the LL agrees though)
        
        – Applying to the Tenancy Tribunal
        
        Those are the only options. A tenant cannot remove themselves from a fixed-term tenancy agreement unilaterally, only if the LL agrees.
        
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        July 5, 2019 3:05pm
  - WaveyDavey
    
    There’s an interesting question in all this.
    
    The new rules give no exemption for a scheduled install, if no insulation on July1 the LL is liable.
    
    If a LL’s property doesn’t have insulation, does have a tenant and an installer can’t be found in time. So around April1 (90 days out) what would the LL do? As of July1 they’re in the gun for a fine.
    
    Also, if come July1 there’s no insulation does that make the property uninhabitable and make the tenant liable to eviction – a lot less than 90 days notice.
    
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    July 5, 2019 9:04am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    like that is the reason any sane landlord would give….
    
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    July 5, 2019 9:49am
  - freethinker
    
    Non renewal or property sale the more likely result.
    
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    July 5, 2019 11:01am
- Rich Prick
  
  I’ve heard of one instance where it seems a third party unknown (most likely the tenant) has removed insulation. Landlords should secure evidence of insulation being installed, photographic or some other record. I suspect this will become a sport for the less than honourable.
  
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  July 5, 2019 9:19am
  - SGA
    
    I’ve heard of one instance where it seems a third party unknown (most likely the tenant) has removed insulation
    
    With a view to making a claim to the tenancy tribunal, or to give or sell to someone to insulte their own house (I’m assuming you are talking about a “batts-like” product)? My guess would be the latter.
    
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    July 5, 2019 9:48am
    - artemisia
      
      Poly blanket easier to remove.
      
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      July 5, 2019 12:02pm
  - alex Masterley
    
    As with commercial properties it would be a good idea now to attach to a rent agreement photographic evidence of the state of the premises at the start of a tenancy as well as get written confirmation of the presence of insulation, fixed eating equipment.
    
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    July 5, 2019 9:56am
    - All_on_Red
      
      My Father in law has Rentals. Every inspection he gets the Property Manager to take photos. Iirc, not allowed to photograph the tenants personal property.
      And yes , they’re all insulated. And all long term. He keeps them happy. It’s his main source of income.
      
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      July 5, 2019 10:52am
      - WaveyDavey
        
        Yes they are allowed to photograph personal possession if it’s impossible to exclude them.
        
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        July 5, 2019 11:29am
  - WaveyDavey
    
    There was a story in the news recently where a new building development was installing insulation getting sign off and then removing it to place in another property so that one could be signed off.
    
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    July 5, 2019 11:40am
- The Feed
  
  Who on earth bothers with tenants in 2019?
  
  AirBnB, peeps.
  
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  July 5, 2019 10:44am
  - WaveyDavey
    
    Bingo
    
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    July 5, 2019 11:29am
  - Martin Williams
    
    Could this be the reason for the housing shortage?
    
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    July 5, 2019 1:51pm
    - artemisia
      
      A reason, certainly. Not *the* reason.
      
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      July 5, 2019 2:48pm
    - WaveyDavey
      
      0.3% of the Auckland standalone housing stock so pretty unlikely.
      
      That also assumes that if a property wasn’t on airbnb it we be for rent. None of our 3 places would be.
      
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      July 5, 2019 3:12pm
srylands

Many people sick around me. My partner has cone down with an awful cold overnight. And today is her father’s funeral. Going to be a challenging day. 🙁
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July 5, 2019 8:09am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  take care, never an easy time, and worse when under the weather
  
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  July 5, 2019 9:50am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Thoughts with you both; kia kaha.
  
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  July 5, 2019 12:06pm
Happychappy

So the Health Minister has been breaking the promise that Annette King gave DHB’s the last Election.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/113984983/capital-charge-makes-it-hard-for-dhbs-to-do-their-job
A very interesting letter penned to the Government about David Clark’s Gunna policies.
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July 5, 2019 8:15am
- KevO'Brien
  
  The Capital Charge is an internal imposition. All govt entities have an implied cost of capital. Any such charge is effectively a clawback from the operational vote item.
  I suspect this is a remnant from some earlier economists excercises and our Minister of Finance being semi-clueless is not up to dealing with it.
  
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  July 5, 2019 8:37am
G152

Landlords get out of letting properties.
Theres not much in it and now you can be dobbed in if your tenant thinks the insulation isn’t up to scratch.
And just maybe labor will become aware of the problem when their voters are on the street
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July 5, 2019 8:27am
- John Warren
  
  Pulled out about four years ago. Once the market stopped moving upwards there was very little compensation for the stress and constant problems. Nowadays the more I read about the rental situation the happier I am to no longer be a residential landlord.
  
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  July 5, 2019 9:18am
  - igm
    
    We got out of residential when tenants started getting arrogant and running to media.
    Now have a couple of commercials — good tenants, properties maintained, rent in the bank each month, all outgoings covered, and no TPA or tribunal hearings to attend.
    Solitude!
    
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    July 5, 2019 10:10am
    - John Warren
      
      Similar to me. I now run my main business from premises I own myself, and I have another couple of other shop premises in good locations, all leased out. So much easier, really so much easier.
      
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      July 5, 2019 3:10pm
- WaveyDavey
  
  Yep pulled the plug and our remaining 3 are on airbnb.
  
  More money, bit more work, few more bills, no more tenants. Happy days.
  
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  July 5, 2019 11:42am
Paulus

When will we hear the date for the introduction of the Land Tax to pay for the Aotearoa Global Warming Emergency which is about to be declared.
Will this supersede the announcement of the currently under discussion of the Memorial to the Mosque killings.
It is suggested that the names being included in the memorial to the Earthquake victims.
Alternatively a statue of our Princess in headscarf in a prominent position.
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July 5, 2019 8:31am
- Sacha
  
  ‘Princess in a Headscarf’ – surely there’s an old silo in a depressed suburb that someone could paint a portrait on?
  Perhaps they could use the unsuitable donation?
  NOT included in Earthquake memorial.
  
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  July 5, 2019 9:49am
  - sooty
    
    Tea towel, mate. Tea towel!
    
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    July 5, 2019 12:00pm
Maggie Pie

We sat up late last night to watch Wimbledon.
Really love seeing Nick Kyrigos play, but as my partner said, “Youd have to wonder why they still bother with this other aussie moron”

https://twitter.com/bbctennis/status/1146712184396926977
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July 5, 2019 8:45am
MCos

Kane Williamson doing his best to answer a condescending question from some English cricket reporter
https://twitter.com/espncricinfo/status/1146630990363684864?s=21
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July 5, 2019 8:56am
lastmanstanding

Just caught up with the news of DFPs flu. Get well soon. The Left musnt be left ( no pun intended) with our Leader leading the fight.

And on that note a couple of matter.

To paraphrase Voltaire we must continue to defend to the death the Right of Free Thought and the Right of Free Speech.

The Left are attacking Western Civilization and this is being lead by the Universities. In Australia several have refused research grants from an organisation that supports Western Civilization.

Of course the irony thats lost on these morons is that Western Civilization established the Universities and their right to Free Thought and Free Speech and citizens fought and died over hundreds of years to defend these Universities who now spit in the face of Western Civilization.
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July 5, 2019 8:57am
- MCos
  
  “In Australia several (universities) have refused research grants from an organisation that supports Western Civilisation.”
  
  Who is this organization & what are the grants for?
  
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  July 5, 2019 9:30am
- stephieboy
  
  “The Left are attacking Western Civilization and this is being lead by the Universities…”
  
  Garbage!
  
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  July 5, 2019 9:36am
- SGA
  
  Western Civilization established the Universities and their right to Free Thought and Free Speech
  
  Is that true? Universities were established in a time of absolute monarchies and a powerful church. I would have thought that “free speech” would have been very constrained by fear of being charged with treason, sedition, or heresy. Not so?
  
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  July 5, 2019 9:39am
  - stephieboy
    
    SGA, more garbage!
    
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    July 5, 2019 12:40pm
    - John Warren
      
      Go read some history books Stephanie. You’re typing out of your arse again.
      
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      July 5, 2019 3:12pm
lastmanstanding

Can anyone explain to me how declaring a ‘climate emergency” is going to fix climate change.

It seems to me this is a sign that the climate change hoaxers have realised they are losing the argument so have to ramp it up by making up slogans to try and get the peasants onside.

Those of us understand the hoax must keep on telling the waiverers that the cost will hit them very hard in the hip pocket like very very hard.

They can expect to see more and new taxes like the fuel tax hikes that are disappearing into the fiscal hole rather than fixing the crumbling roading infrastructure.
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July 5, 2019 9:15am
- SGA
  
  It seems to me this is a sign that the climate change hoaxers have realised they are losing the argument so have to ramp it up by making up slogans to try and get the peasants onside.
  
  I don’t see any evidence of that, lastmanstanding. Rightly or wrongly, they believe that right is on their side, action needs to be quicker, and that the deniers are a group of loonies.
  Don’t shoot the messenger.
  
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  July 5, 2019 9:32am
  - Billy Collins
    
    Are you claiming that they sincerely believe we are facing a genuine emergency, no exaggeration involved? An emergency would entail that danger of national concern is imminent, not years down the track, that Jacinda should be currently in the mode she was during the mosque attack. She should have dropped everything else, be full of adrenaline, demanding hourly reports from numerous public officials and experts, assuring the public to stay calm and that emergency procedures are being implemented, etc.
    
    Is that what you think they genuinely believe?
    
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    July 5, 2019 2:26pm
    - SGA
      
      Frankly I think that that declaring a “climate emergency” is little more than symbolic.
      
      But that’s not the issue I was addressing, if you read the original post and my reply carefully. I don’t think it’s a case of “hoaxers” thinking they are “losing an argument”. Their beliefs are sincere, and they see those remaining “deniers” as a bit loony. By all means disagree, but that’s how I think they see it.
      
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      July 5, 2019 3:39pm
      - tavita
        
        What got me was MSM reporting the deliberations that led to calling it an emergency. We were told that the rebranding was considered necessary because, in their opinion, the general public were not taking the situation serioudly enough. But what I want to know is why it is considered necessary to make members of the public take it more seriously and how they think sceptics are preventing this happening. COL seem to be convinced, National seem to have bought it too. Stuff doesn’t allow sceptics a platform. Who else do they need to convince? Is the truth that the politicians know its a hoax but have been milking it all they can. They know we know its a hoax and they need new lashings of angst to generate popular support for whatever they fancy doing next.
        
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        July 6, 2019 5:29am
      - Doctor Who
        
        https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/jul/05/biggest-compliment-yet-greta-thunberg-welcomes-oil-chiefs-greatest-threat-label
        
        No question the oil companies are on the run. Their useful idiots like Monckton, Singer, Happer, Plimer, Kelly and climate scientists like Curry, Lindzen, Spencer and Christy will never admit they are wrong. The loonies on Kiwiblog are entirely irrelevant. How many would that be? Fewer than 100?
        
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        July 6, 2019 6:38am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  lastman, join with me in declaring an ‘economic emergency’.
  At least this is something that can be mitigated if the right decisions are made.
  
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  July 5, 2019 9:54am
- Rich Prick
  
  It doesn’t fix anything, but Cindy gets an approval badge from her pals at the UN. She almost has the complete set.
  
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  July 5, 2019 9:55am
  - tf78
    
    I’m wondering if it’s totally the UN behind her or is it
    “the Mother Party” of which she spoke in Hungarian stand-up back in 2009.
    
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    July 5, 2019 11:47am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  In Green world it is more important to be seen to be doing something than to be actually doing something useful.
  
  If they really truly gave a shit then they could invest in things that would achieve their objectives – energy and transport R&D, building nuclear power plants, converting shipping to nuclear power etc, figuring out ways to make home PV + batteries cheaper (not far off being cheapest energy option for many).
  
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  July 5, 2019 10:10am
- artemisia
  
  Well we might find out what the Wellington City Council has done and plans to do with its climate emergency.
  
  A public spirited person has asked over at the below link, and I’m sure there will be a comprehensive answer forthcoming. One of these decades.
  
  I’m sure this person would not object if his format was used to inquire of other local bodies in the grip of a climate emergency. And folk can choose to follow his request and be notified if and when there are responses.
  
  I did notice some are now saying, well it’s an emergency so the taxpayer should be paying, not our poor ratepayers. What a surprise.
  
  https://fyi.org.nz/request/10666-information-about-actions-taken-since-climate-emergency-declared
  
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  July 5, 2019 11:54am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Newshub is running a poll with the question “Should the Government declare a climate emergency?” It’s currently running 80% to 20% against.
  
  If it’s anything like the “Should Jacinda Ardern run for a second term?” poll last Saturday, it will disappear any moment now, as it doesn’t toe the party line.
  
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  July 5, 2019 12:10pm
secondcumming

If it’s not Wellington train derailments causing absolute commuter chaos, it’s *big hunks of cladding* falling off Auckland City apartment buildings onto the busy streets below.

And we can expect to see a lot more shit like this in the future……mark my words 😎
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July 5, 2019 9:15am
- stephieboy
  
  secondcumming, the law of averages would appear to say so in respect of derailments, accidents. spills and so on.
  
  Sigh!
  
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  July 5, 2019 9:43am
  - secondcumming
    
    I’m sure it must be a *real dilemma* for you most days stephie 😎
    
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DoLZXN5XUAA-tEd.jpg
    
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    July 5, 2019 11:43am
    - John Warren
      
      Hardly. Stephie always presses the left button without a moment’s hesitation.
      
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      July 5, 2019 3:15pm
KevO'Brien

Where is this American interdiction of Iran leading the world?
https://www.rt.com/news/463379-iran-crude-tanker-gibraltar/
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July 5, 2019 9:20am
- Batman
  
  RT? That pretty much excludes it from being classified as news.
  
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  July 5, 2019 1:54pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    RT frequently gives an excellent world view. Some bias can show up. Compared to other sources it is reasonable.
    I use a smorgasboard of conflicting sources.
    
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    July 5, 2019 9:53pm
All_on_Red

Since Mikey seems to have disappeared
Happy Aphelion Day!
Today at 10.10 we are 5 million kms further from the Sun than in January
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July 5, 2019 9:21am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Crikey.
  Is that why it’s a bit bleak here in Christchurch today?
  
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  July 5, 2019 9:31am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Tell me about it. I just went to the barber for my normal #2 of my remaining hair (and wash, wax and polish of the rest!), and forgot to take a hat. The southerly on my unprotected noggin when I came out was bitter!
    
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    July 5, 2019 12:12pm
- krazykiwi
  
  And a solar minimum too. The sun’s just not putting out for us 🙂
  
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  July 5, 2019 9:34am
- stephieboy
  
  And we still experience climate change!
  
  Climate Change Fingerprints Were All Over Europe’s Latest Heat Wave, Study Finds
  
  “The record heat didn’t just hit Europe. Globally, it was the hottest June on record, Greenland saw excessive melting, and wildfires lit up the Arctic….”
  
  https://insideclimatenews.org/news/02072019/climate-change-attribution-europe-heat-wave-hottest-june-record-wildfires-world-weather-data
  
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  July 5, 2019 9:37am
  - Ford Prefect
    
    This from Jo Nova
    
    http://joannenova.com.au/2019/07/not-the-hottest-ever-june-1998-was-hotter-and-so-was-most-of-the-holocene/
    
    Nothing about the “hottest year-month-day ever” is meaningful or significant on a big scale.
    
    The world has been warming for 300 years, long before the industrial revolution. Seas have been rising since 1800. The trend didn’t change as our emissions rose, it was the same in the 1980s as it was in 1870s.
    
    150 years of “records” is tiny. It was warmer 1000 years ago, 2000 years ago, 5000 years ago and 130,000 years ago. In fact its been warmer for most of the last 10,000 years than it is today, and it’s been warmer for most of time life since life on Earth was a mere sponge. Only people who think CO2 matters keep repeating that it’s warmed from 1850 to now without pointing out the bigger perspective.
    
    The records have usually been set with thermometers like this one (next to concrete and exhaust vents). There probably weren’t too many car parks or air conditioners in 1880 either. Not to mention the non-random adjustments, and that mystery about how 75% of thermometers are ignored.
    
    The hottest-ever-lines are bait for the too-busy and the easily-fooled.
    
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    July 5, 2019 11:07am
    - stephieboy
      
      Ford Prefect,
      
      Joanne Nova ( Joanne Codling)
      
      “Joanne “Jo” Nova (real name Joanne Codling) is an Australian writer, speaker, former TV host, anti-science presenter and a professional wingnut.[1] She maintains a blog which regularly regurgitates debunked climate denial myths, making her the poor Aussie’s Ian Plimer or Andrew Bolt.[2] The site also has on its header the highly ironic phrase “Tackling tribalist groupthink.” She has also written a handbook called “The Skeptic’s Handbook,” a brief pamphlet that reads like it was copy-pasted from another denialist site without the slightest whiff of actual research and peppered with pretty pictures.[3] The handbook concentrates on a few of the greatest hits, including: Satellites and weather balloons showing no warming (they do); the Oregon Petition “debunking” the scientific consensus (it doesn’t); carbon dioxide lagging, not leading temperature change (ignoring Milankovitch cycles and feedbacks); the carbon dioxide effect being saturated (it isn’t); and bad weather station siting (relying on the self-debunked work of Anthony Watts).[4]
      In between regurgitating debunked climate myths, she often posts non-sensical fiscal arguments; then breaks into a general bitching session about anything including the denial crowd pleaser, the Gore bash fest.
      
      She downplays the funding she and other denialists receive from the Heartland Institute and the Science and Public Policy Institute. ‘
      
      https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Joanne_Nova
      
      Case closed!
      
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      July 5, 2019 12:49pm
      - Ford Prefect
        
        What a surprise. When you lose the argument, attack the man not the ball.
        
        Alarmists always lose the argument when facts are used
        
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        July 5, 2019 2:29pm
      - kloyd0306
        
        Wishing that the case is closed doesn’t make it so. All that means is that you have run out of leftist, alarmist talking points.
        
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        July 5, 2019 5:11pm
      - andydownhere
        
        Busted! Stephie works sits in Parliamentary Labour offices and debunks all anti government policy or theory on here. Who else could afford to have such information at hand and time to post it in the middle of the working day.
        The real workers are working
        
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        July 5, 2019 6:29pm
      - Swifty
        
        Andy – Stiffy doesn’t work, let alone for Labour.
        
        He’s a layabout and gets his kicks here.
        
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        July 5, 2019 7:26pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        Jo Nova is blessed with a darn good quality tech brain. Her husband likewise.
        
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        July 5, 2019 9:55pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    It’s the Sahara sands not climate change. They heat up air massively which rises and shifts elsewhere.
    
    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/07/02/record-high-temperatures-in-france-3-facts-the-media-dont-tell-you/
    
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    July 5, 2019 12:01pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    You are to climate science what Baldrick is to Blackadder.
    
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    July 5, 2019 12:21pm
    - John Warren
      
      That’s very unfair on Baldrick. He deserves better than that shameful analogy.
      
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      July 5, 2019 3:20pm
- SGA
  
  What a great opportunity for a conspiracy theory! Are mm and DPF the same person? Or, is DPF not ill, and has run off with mm? 🙂 🙂 🙂
  
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  July 5, 2019 9:43am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I’m Spartacus!
    
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    July 5, 2019 12:44pm
- rangitoto
  
  We get a raw deal here in the South. The Earth moves more slowly at aphelion so it means the Southern winters are a little longer than the Northern winters and visa versa for the summers. I’m declaring an orbit emergency. When will Cindy fix the Earth’s orbit?
  
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  July 5, 2019 10:22am
- Batman
  
  Oooh, good stat AoR!
  
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  July 5, 2019 1:57pm
Bell-47

Most caring government ever with a whole budget year dedicated to “wellbeing”… Seems WINZ did not get the memo… the very people who should be doling out the “wellbeing”. So much for the whole “solving poverdy” speech from the Prinzess of kindness!

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12246774
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July 5, 2019 9:32am
- Sofia
  
  Bell-47
  Will either Ardern or Robertson name one item in last year’s Budget that was not there in the interests of well-being for the country, to distinguish any difference between last year’s non-wellbeing ordinary budget and this year’s new innovative internationally-envied Wellbeing Budget?
  
  Yep! I thought so …
  
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  July 5, 2019 9:43am
- Northland Wahine
  
  Ummmm, I work at that office and we get the memo… every fucking day.
  
  Yet the same people that queue, can’t come in for a booked apt to help them look for work or even answer their phones when we try to call to help with the very assistance their queuing for.
  
  Then again, the average kiwi would spew if they saw the “quotes” clients in with.
  
  One brave young mum did say…there are people in that queue that are just there for any easy $200 food grant so they don’t have to spend their own money.
  
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  July 5, 2019 10:32am
  - Rich Prick
    
    From the photos, can you spot the starving malnourished ones? No, me neither.
    
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    July 5, 2019 11:13am
    - Northland Wahine
      
      Photos? I didn’t need photos. I dealt with them
      
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      July 5, 2019 11:14am
  - Bell-47
    
    I stand here, in the process of extracting at least one foot from my mouth NW. I sympathise with your assertion that your “clients” personal reliability and responsibilities are low on their list. As others have alluded to it appears to be a paid for hit piece for AAAP. The general trust of my comment was the pointless rhetoric spewed forth by Ardern and her gaggle of numpties in her cabinet.
    
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    July 5, 2019 12:07pm
    - Northland Wahine
      
      I got that Bell, no need to have foot in mouth. And Sepuloni needs to come visit this monster she helped fuel, with offhanded remarks about a toxic culture.
      
      Our case managers live and socialise in our community. We know how hard it is for our families to succeed and get out of poverty, we also see more often than we want to see, how there are those, who have no intention of ever finding work. We would you?
      
      If single mum like myself with only 1 child, can get over $800 a week, where is the incentive to work. If you get behind with rent, power, new furniture or whiteware, car repairs, need clothes or food…go to work and income.
      
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      July 5, 2019 12:17pm
      - Swifty
        
        Would love to hear your ‘entitleitis’ stories NW – and about those who have picked themselves up and gone on to better things, if you’d care to share any.
        
        Thanks, Swifty.
        
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        July 5, 2019 1:03pm
      - Northland Wahine
        
        Swifty….
        
        6 months I was doing my shopping and realised I didn’t have quite enough money and miscounted in my head. So I asked the checkout operator to put the cheese back. I’m out in the car, putting my groceries in the boot and a young Maori man brought me out the block of cheese. I tried to refuse and then he said…
        
        Whaea, you don’t remember me, but you gave me a good growling a year ago about being fit and healthy and I should be working. You sent me to the work broker and I got a job at Fultons. I Always wanted to come back and say thank you…
        
        I felt genuinely tearful…and seriously there are many more like that… but my favourite is…
        
        Back before young parent parent came in, an 18 year old girl came in to transfer from emergency maintenance benefit (dpb for under 18s) to dpb, with her 2nd child. We talked about whether she was taking precautions, because ffs, she’s young. She’s going to have male company. I then asked her what she was going to do with her life… and did she want to be brining her daughter on her 18th birthday applying for a single parent benefut. Her mother was there and said to me…you can’t talk to her like that!
        
        And my answer? Well someone has to, because you didn’t…
        
        That young woman, went on to become a teacher aide, moved away from her mum, and graduated from teachers college 3 years ago. I’d often see her little gifts of flowers or chocolates on my desk at least 3 times a year, when she brings in her child subsidy reviews. and recently , just last month, she told me she’s moving to Wellington with a new beau, another teacher.
        
        That young lady brings me hope that we can make a difference in my job
        
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        July 5, 2019 2:24pm
      - artemisia
        
        Friend of mine, difficult childhood, ran away at 16, lived on the street, baby at 17. Lucked in with a social worker who dug a bit deeper, found she was on the autism spectrum though high functioning. Laid it on the line – where do you want to be in 5 years. Light bulb moment. Got help to manage her weird brain, went to uni, graduated, raised a good kid on her own, worked up the employment ladder to management level. A success.
        
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        July 5, 2019 3:07pm
      - John Warren
        
        Those are great stories, NW.
        
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        July 5, 2019 3:23pm
      - Swifty
        
        Thank you.
        
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        July 5, 2019 3:27pm
      - sooty
        
        Well done that lady!
        
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        July 5, 2019 3:44pm
alloytoo

It’s the 21st century version Catholic or colonial guilt, operating under the notion our paying lots of money will somehow make everything better.(no science or economics required)

I personally think we should bill any socialist who rears their head for the economic, social and environmental bills of all socialist governments dating back to the Soviet revolution.
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July 5, 2019 9:34am
Happychappy

Just a query to other people on here that might follow their electricity usage like I do with Genesis IQ. Now this week a new section has been added to it and I would like to know is this the Governments doing as it is about carbon emissions, yesterday it told me I was using to much electricity hence more carbon emissions and today it says my carbon emissions are about average. Hopefully this is not the start of them telling me I have to cut back on my electricity as I have my heat pump set at 20.c 24/7 in winter and it costs around $300 a month and very seldom use in the summer with my bill half of what it is in winter.
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July 5, 2019 9:38am
- rangitoto
  
  Seems expensive. Our heat pump is left on (mostly) 24 x 7 at 22C at this time of year and haven’t cracked $300 yet. Last month was $258. If you are in a colder region then the heat pump will have to work harder. I’ve also found it worthwhile to make sure the filters are regularly cleaned for best efficiency.
  
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  July 5, 2019 12:45pm
  - Happychappy
    
    Yes I clean my filters weekly and my Bill last month was $279 but being a older house which we have had reclad new windows and just about finished inside we wish that aluminium windows we put in had double glazing 15 years ago. But we may do underfloor insulation in next summer to see if that helps. The Waikato is cold at this time of year.
    
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    July 5, 2019 4:04pm
Rich Prick

My BS sensors have been set off by this Auckland Action Against Poverty sponsored piece of propaganda. Are we being soft-soaped for something coming up soon?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/114011065/parents-queuing-in-dark-cold-rain-for-hours-to-get-emergency-grants
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July 5, 2019 9:53am
- Rich Prick
  
  Edit to add: from the photographic evidence those people may well be parents … of children in their 20’s and 30’s.
  
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  July 5, 2019 10:08am
- Bell-47
  
  Yes, see above. AAAP are a bunch of commie’s who want redistribution of wealth, UBI and high taxes for Rich Pricks like yourself. Unsurprisingly, lead by the wrinkled old Westie, bint, Sue Bradford.
  
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  July 5, 2019 10:09am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    The AAAP may be all of what you say but advocates for beneficiaries, whoever they are, are most helpful.
    
    Many beneficiaries are lower achievers or find dealing with officialdom frightening or demeaning. WINZ staff have been known to treat applicants as if the staff were themselves paying the benefits. The advocates know the internal rules sometimes better than the staff. There may also be discretion involved which an advocate can see is properly considered.
    
    There is a struggling subclass but they are our subclass and should not be rejected because they are not like us. I have known a Head of a major public company have to seek tax relief on his retirement. Inability to cope or misfortune is a human condition. We are not robots off an assembly line.
    
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    July 5, 2019 12:25pm
    - John Warren
      
      Sure if they stuck to beneficiary advocacy, but they have political aims. Bunch of commies – take a look at their website.
      
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      July 5, 2019 3:25pm
- oldgolfer
  
  Looks like classic set-up: ring a friendly reporter, line up the moaners, and Robert is your father’s brother.
  
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  July 5, 2019 10:46am
- The King
  
  Nearly everyone in that photo is overweight.
  
  Its time to unleash some real communism…
  
  “You are starving? – This is not famine yet… When your women start eating their children then you may come and say,”we are starving”. -Trotsky
  
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  July 5, 2019 11:17am
  - mara
    
    “Every Night and every Morn
    Some to misery are Born
    Every Morn and every Night
    Some are Born to sweet delight.”
    William Blake.
    
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    July 5, 2019 1:04pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  The article doesn’t seem too unreasonable. The advocates are allocated 65 sessions with WINZ on a particular day of the week. The beneficiaries queue up then as they have greater success in getting what they seek.
  Advocates do have a higher success rate because they can communicate much better. Their clients are frequently shamed and very bashful. The needs are still there. Note the impact of high rents and lower incomes on basic living.
  
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  July 5, 2019 11:52am
  - Northland Wahine
    
    Actually, the advocates don’t. And they use to make it worse. They were aggressive, confrontational and would say shit like…she/he doesn’t know what he/she is talking about.
    
    There are so good ones now. Helpful and realistic about what assistance is reasonable. A lot of that 65 are from other offices and the impact to Manurewa clients and staff?
    
    Longer queues on Friday and Monday because they couldn’t be seen on Thursday.
    
    This is an office of roughly 35 case managers on a great day. Often there are a lot less. 2o to 25 due to burn out. Averages 275 to 300 clients thru the door a day. Yep! A DAY.
    
    We’ve hit the 400s on shit days.
    
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    July 5, 2019 4:12pm
3-coil

Hold the Press!….breaking news, page 3 in this morning’s DomPost: mural being painted last month outside Onehunga Mall had a typo (2 digits transposed) but was corrected.

Phew! Whoever broke that story deserves a pay rise.

Edit: and the MSM dinosaurs, like the ComPost, wonder why their circulation is going down the shitter! With out-dated fake-news crap like that it’s the only place for it (definitely not worth paying $2.80 per issue, or $3.70 in the SI). It would be hilarious, if wasn’t so sad and tragically pathetic.
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July 5, 2019 9:57am
- John Warren
  
  TV1 ran a piece about the passing of Lee Iacocca one day after TV3 and 2 after the news broke all over the web. Sigh…
  
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  July 5, 2019 3:27pm
stephieboy

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
The realignment of the Southern Democrats ( Dixie crats) to the Republicans. Sampler,

Biography of Strom Thurmond, Segregationist politician Strom Thurmond was a segregationist politician who ran for president in 1948 on a platform opposed to civil rights for African Americans. He later served 48 years—an astonishing eight terms—as a U.S. Senator from South Carolina. In the later decades of his career, “Thurmond obscured his views on race by claiming that he had only ever been opposed to excessive federal power….

Led the Dixiecrat revolt of 1948 and embodied the realignment of the two major political parties around the issue of race in America…”

Switched allegiance to the Republican party and reelected for seven successive terms,

https://www.thoughtco.com/strom-thurmond-biography-4161322
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July 5, 2019 10:08am
- Fletch
  
  stephie and Thurmond was the only one who switched.
  
  Here’s the list –
  
  Dixiecrat – Senators
  
  (D)VA Harry F. Byrd, 1933-1965
  (D)VA A. Willis Robertson, 1946-1966
  (D)WV Robert C. Byrd, 1959-Present
  (D)MS John C. Stennis, 1947-1989
  (D)MS James O. Eastland, 1941-1941,1943-1978
  (D)LA Allen J. Ellender, 1937-1972
  (D)LA Russell B. Long, 1948-1987
  (D)NC Sam Ervin, 1954-1974
  (D)NC Everett Jordan, 1958-1973
  (R)NC Jesse Helms, 1973-2003
  (D)OK Thomas Pryor Gore, 1906-1921,1931-1937
  (D)AL J. Lister Hill, 1938-1969
  (D)AL John J. Sparkman, 1946-1979
  (D)FL Spessard Holland, 1946-1971
  (D)FL George Smathers, 1951-1969
  (D)SC Olin D. Johnston, 1945-1965
  (D,R)SC Strom Thurmond, 1954-1956,1956-2003
  (D)AR John McClellan, 1943-1977
  (D)GA Richard B. Russell, Jr., 1933-1971
  (D)GA Herman E. Talmadge, 1957-1981
  (D)TN Herbert S. Walters, 1963-1964
  
  Dixiecrat – State governors
  
  Benjamin Travis Laney, Arkansas Governor
  Fielding Wright, Mississippi Governor
  Frank M. Dixon, Former Alabama Governor
  William H. Murray, Former Oklahoma Governor
  Mills E. Godwin Jr. governor of Virginia
  
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  July 5, 2019 11:01am
  - stephieboy
    
    Fletch you need something more nuanced than someone like Dinesh D’Souza to understand why the Democrat vote in the South switched to Republican since the Civil Rights Act 1964,
    
    How Southern Democrats Became Republicans: A Case Study of Carroll County, Mississippi
    
    “I grew up in a Republican family. It was the party of Lincoln, my parents told me. They didn’t mention that it was also the party of Strom Thurmond and Jesse Helms. When I took U.S. history courses in college, I was fascinated by trying to untangle exactly what happened. When did African American voters switch from the Republican Party to the Democratic Party, and why? When—and why—did white voters in the South make the opposite journey?
    In looking up something completely different yesterday, I learned that there is still an operating segregationist academy supported by the Council of Conservative Citizens, a white supremacist group. It is named Carroll Academy and is located in Carroll County, Mississippi. Curious, I googled Carroll County and stumbled upon a record of the county’s presidential election results from 1912 to to 2016. I’m not sure I’ve ever seen changing political allegiances in the South illustrated better than they are here….”
    
    https://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism/2017/08/how-southern-democrats-became-republicans-a-case-study-of-carroll-county-mississippi.html
    
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    July 5, 2019 12:26pm
    - kloyd0306
      
      ….but can you explain why a larger percentage of Republicans (in the House and Senate) voted for the 1964 Civil Rights legislation.
      
      They put the Dems to shame yet the black vote still largely goes to the Dems.
      
      You have to wonder some times……..
      
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      July 5, 2019 5:16pm
  - alloytoo
    
    The exception that proved the rule.
    
    Stephie’s finding the denial of reality awkward.
    
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    July 5, 2019 1:08pm
    - Batman
      
      Guys, you’ve been bickering over this for days now.
      
      Yes, the democratic party used to be the anti-immigration, pro-white party. Then the two main parties switched.
      
      This is no more difficult than the switch that National and Labour have made through the 80s and now back again to Labour being the protectionist anti-commerce party.
      
      None of you are going to ‘win’ an argument like that ??
      
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      July 5, 2019 2:07pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Has anyone ever ‘won’ a debate on Kiwiblog?
        
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        July 5, 2019 2:21pm
      - stigie
        
        Has anyone ever ‘won’ a debate on Kiwiblog?
        
        Yes Nasska many times !~
        
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        July 5, 2019 3:19pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        ‘Then the two main parties switched.’
        There’s probably an interesting discussion in this on where they are today
        I’m busy now but might revisit it later in the weekend.
        
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        July 5, 2019 4:22pm
      - Fletch
        
        No, the parties did not “switch”. It’s a liberal argument that makes no sense.
        
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        July 5, 2019 6:33pm
      - Tall Man
        
        mikey, I’ve always said that ardern was a liar and so far no one has disputed that or proven me wrong… Is that a win?
        
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        July 5, 2019 11:05pm
Maggie Pie

“What time did you say you rang for those pizzas, Phil?”

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D-M6StmVUAAfRP0?format=png&name=small
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July 5, 2019 10:09am
Notsofast

Arthur Taylor shows he is still a corrupt liar who engages in petty vendettas.
From facebook

Arthur Taylor
July 3 at 9:06 AM ·
Like their American counterparts…the vast majority of NZ prisoners despise those who have harmed children…why Mark Lundy has been in protective segregation since the day he was arrested…while he may have fooled many on the outside..he hasn’t been as successful on the inside…

…………………………………………………………………….

Arthur Taylor tried to compel Mark to testify in the trial of Robert Conchie Harris. Taylor had correctly discovered that Harris lied when he told police that Lundy had confessed to the killings in the back seat of Linton prison chapel, but it was easily demonstrated that Lundy always took the front row.

Despite intensive efforts by Taylor to make Lundy testify, he refused, so Taylor has turned on the inmate. He was sponsored in the Conchie Harris trial by a Lundy supporter.
Join kiwiblog Arthur and tell your side.
Outline your evidence.
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July 5, 2019 10:16am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Oh dear Notsofast, you are so desperate.
  
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  July 5, 2019 11:30am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Indeed Captain. I’d say that Arthur Taylor has summed Lundy up perfectly, just like the two High Court juries which found him guilty.
    
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    July 5, 2019 12:17pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Come on.. a few ticks more….
    
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    July 5, 2019 10:58pm
- Garbageman
  
  Sorry folks this is my fault i mentioned on YSB yesterday if you say his name 3 times just like the Candyman he appears someone must have taken up the dare
  
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  July 5, 2019 12:34pm
  - Tall Man
    
    We’re watching you and the bogeyman is as well..
    
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    July 5, 2019 11:00pm
Fletch

They banned mining of our own oil and gas while raising tax on fuel
And I said nothing.
The closed the charter schools.
And I said nothing.
The confiscated the guns.
And I said nothing.
They banned the plastic bags.
And I said nothing.
They pushed for legalization of suicide, abortion, and cannabis.
And I said nothing.
They scrapped DHB wait time targets and cancelled funding for cochlea implants while budgeting $3 million for sex change surgeries.
And I said nothing.

… Feel free to add your own.
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July 5, 2019 10:30am
- Inandout
  
  The gangs said they wouldn’t surrender their guns.
  And the CoL said nothing.
  
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  July 5, 2019 11:10am
- The King
  
  I said something and got..
  
  Fired from my job|
  Banned on facebook
  Bank account frozen
  Guns seized
  Jailed for a meme
  
  Welcome to Weimarteroa.
  
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  July 5, 2019 11:26am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  They stopped building roads.
  And I said nothing.
  They sprayed money around the islands.
  And I said nothing.
  They replaced car lanes with bike tracks.
  And I said nothing.
  They gave residency to a jailed drug dealer.
  And I said nothing.
  They put Hagar on the security team.
  And I said nothing.
  
  (wish I knew how to do italics on here)
  
  [Mod: Easily fixed Captain Mainwaring. Don’t say we never do anything for you!]
  
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  July 5, 2019 11:37am
  - krazykiwi
    
    They’re called HTML tags. Lots of simple ones. You can do:
    
    <i>italics like this</i>
    
    <b>bold like this</b>
    
    <blockquote>
    
    some kind of quote
    
    </blockquote>
    
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    July 5, 2019 12:07pm
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    .
    
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    July 5, 2019 12:27pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Try this “& Put text here&”
    Don’t use the quotes.
    
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    July 5, 2019 12:32pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Missed it. The preceding can be erased.
      
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      July 5, 2019 12:39pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Captain Manwaring, bumbling and incompetent paraphrase from a self-confessed Petrol head!
    
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    July 5, 2019 12:51pm
  - Fletch
    
    Here’s a little script I wrote a few years back using AutoHotKey. Have uploaded as a small 1 MB exe file (needs no install – just run).
    
    https://www94.zippyshare.com/v/7srFqcG6/file.html
    
    Below is a little ~30 second video showing it in action (click through to youtube to watch in better quality – best viewed in 720p etc).
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaqK98JdKR4
    
    You basically just highlight text in a comment field on the blog here and press ‘i’ for Italic, ‘B’ for Bold, ‘S’ for strikethrough, or the ‘Blockquote’ button
    
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    July 5, 2019 3:37pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Cool, thanks.
      
      Whenever I think I’m really smart but need to be reminded that I’m not… I’ll revisit this page 🙂
      
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      July 5, 2019 10:53pm
- kowtow
  
  They will ban free speech ….
  
  …..and you won’t be able to say anything!
  
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  July 5, 2019 11:41am
  - stephieboy
    
    kowtow, ban free speech?
    
    Rubbish!
    
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    July 5, 2019 12:38pm
    - Nigel Kearney
      
      Quite right. They will not ban free speech. They will only ban ‘hate speech’. How will they decide the difference? Princess will ‘know it when she sees it’. You’ll be absoludely free to say anything unless Princess disapproves.
      
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      July 5, 2019 3:08pm
      - Swifty
        
        ‘Quite right. They will not ban free speech. They will only ban ‘hate speech’. How will they decide the difference?’
        
        Exactly.
        
        It will be all dressed up like it’s for our own good.
        
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        July 5, 2019 4:12pm
- JB.49
  
  I have a feeling there will be a lot of guns that won’t be confiscated…..buried perhaps!
  
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  July 5, 2019 11:45am
  - John Warren
    
    I have acquaintances with no intention of handing their guns in, because the compensation is pitiful, especially if you have a load of kit to go with the gun, and they believe the ban will eventually be softened or overturned.
    
    I’ve never been hunting or even fired a gun in my life so I don’t know if he was exaggerating, but one pal said to me “Anybody who says you don’t need a semi-auto for hunting has never been hunting.”
    
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    July 5, 2019 3:49pm
  - Tall Man
    
    I hope you haven’t listed your email etc or you will be VISITED……
    
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    July 5, 2019 10:40pm
- stephieboy
  
  Fletch, a feeble, inept, and historically inaccurate paraphrase of Pastor Martin Niemoller!
  
  I don’t think the COL will send you off to a FEMA or concentration camp or campaign against the Jews and Roma and other racial or political undesirables!
  
  “First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
  Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.
  Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
  Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.”
  
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  July 5, 2019 12:31pm
  - Tall Man
    
    And then I came for the tossers….. And I smacked the fuckers….
    
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    July 5, 2019 10:37pm
Yvette

Pike River
Scientists DNA testing Loch Ness for traces of monster
The University of Otago’s Professor Neil Gemmell, who specialises in genomics, ecology and evolutionary biology, and his team have tested hundreds of water samples from three different depths in the hope of capturing the monster’s DNA.

Since it is a New Zealand team of scientists who DNA tested Scotland’s Loch Ness, why is a similar test not considered for the water flow-through* in the Pike River Mine drift to determine the likelihood of human remains, which may perhaps more rationally balance the expectations of the whole Recovery exercise?
Even comment by Professor Neil Gemmell on likely DNA presence could be of interest or perspective.

* Photos from inside the Pike River Mine today: The walkway over the weir – a lot of water runs down the mine drift (access tunnel), is collected in the weir and drained out of the mine. The weir collects water and silt, allowing the water to discharge over the top of the weir, and the silt to settle.
https://twitter.com/PikeRecovery/status/1130720831540158465
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July 5, 2019 10:35am
- 453mm
  
  They could double-check for the Taniwha in the rail loop tunnel while they’re at it.
  
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  July 5, 2019 11:04am
  - The Feed
    
    Taniwha soothing should be good for another $10m…
    
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    July 5, 2019 11:15am
- kevn
  
  @Yvette… I see helen clark is involved as head of the Extractive Agency. Such is her expertise at everything.
  What a surprise… a newly formed trough.
  
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  July 5, 2019 11:18am
  - sooty
    
    That Helen Clark just can not pissoff, can she always poking that bloody great beak of hers into everything! When’s she going to learn, she had her turn, now pissoff!
    
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    July 5, 2019 3:35pm
    - Tall Man
      
      And take that virtue signalling bimbo with her… please.
      
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      July 5, 2019 4:49pm
    - MCos
      
      What’s Don Brash up to these days?
      
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      July 5, 2019 6:20pm
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        Ask somebody who cares.
        
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        July 5, 2019 8:15pm
      - Tall Man
        
        I know, why would you care about a politician that supports free speech.
        
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        July 5, 2019 10:36pm
MH

A vocal amount of land lords are decrying intrusion on their tenants by insurance company requirement to inspect ppty every quarter, To some of the tenants I ‘ve dealt with I “inspect” with reasonable warning and mostly by window shopping every month until satisfied everything is kosher. I also mow the lawns which helps identify potential problems- but the toilets and showers-yucky dirty bastards for the yearly agreement types. Good on those with long term responsible tenants, the bond money just doesn’t cover those that aren’t -repairs and cleaning unless one does it oneself.
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July 5, 2019 10:47am
- Tall Man
  
  Been that way for years but hey, let them trash the place and let insurance pay.. oh wait………………
  
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  July 5, 2019 10:32pm
Fletch

Oh good grief… Air New Zealand is banning physical newspapers in their lounges for “sustainability reasons”….

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/publisher-hits-back-after-air-nz-cans-koru-lounge-newspapers-sustainability-reasons

Will these displays of wokeness never end? Next they will be banning toilet paper.
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July 5, 2019 10:56am
- Inandout
  
  The times I have visited the Koru lounges (compliments ANZ) the newspapers were rarely taken from the stands, but everyone was on their mobile phones.
  
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  July 5, 2019 11:14am
  - krazykiwi
    
    I’m a fairly regular Koru visiter, and your observation is correct.
    
    What bugs me about this story is the outright dishonesty from AirNZ, trying to dress up what is obviously (and quite reasonably) an efficiency move as some kind of morally laudable decision.
    
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    July 5, 2019 1:13pm
    - John Warren
      
      Particularly from one of the least environmentally friendly industries of all.
      
      My BS detector went off so loud it nearly deafened me when I read that story.
      
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      July 5, 2019 3:56pm
- kowtow
  
  The displays will never end.
  
  “Single” use plastic bags banned for customers to pack their purchases at the check out and yet the supermarkets are full of single use plastic bags for customers to pack their purchases while you wander through the store…….
  
  Hi, I’m from the government and I’m here to help. FFS.
  
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  July 5, 2019 11:44am
  - The Feed
    
    The only thing that I can see that has changed is now everyone is forced to pay for their….single use rubbish bags. The irony is that these rubbish bags were previously double use, given they were also called grocery bags.
    
    As was obvious.
    
    If you want a really stupid solution to a pretend-problem, ask a leftie.
    
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    July 5, 2019 12:37pm
- MCos
  
  Maybe they have realised that far more people are entertaining themselves by reading Kiwiblog on their phones these days.
  
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  July 5, 2019 11:54am
stinkypete

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/mike-hosking-breakfast/audio/police-minister-s-strict-warning-to-gun-buyback-participants/

power trip just keeps getting more obvious for this guy
they are creating a problem with underground guns which will haunt this country for years by treating FAL holders like criminals
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July 5, 2019 11:09am
- sooty
  
  Tell him to take a hike!
  Tell the people what it’s likely to be worth before they turn up!
  Why do you think they will have armed police at the collection point?
  It’s not to stop the gangs robbing the place.
  It’s to shoot someone who objects!!!
  
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  July 5, 2019 3:30pm
- John Warren
  
  See my comment above. With no gun register how does Nash intend to identify non-compliers? All piss and wind. Half the gun community is already laughing in his face.
  
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  July 5, 2019 4:00pm
krazykiwi

The Earth is getting greener. It is warming slower than the climate models predicted, and the warming is saving lives. The prophecised climate catastrophes haven’t happened. There’s more green, more food.

Thank you C02. Much appreciated.
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July 5, 2019 12:50pm
- 453mm
  
  For billions of years this ecosystem we live in has had a way of sorting itself out. No intervention required.
  
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  July 5, 2019 1:23pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Anthropic principle: If it hadn’t worked out nicely then we wouldn’t be here discussing it. Just because it has worked out well in the past doesn’t mean it will in future – previous ‘snowball earth’ epochs and multiple global mass extinctions show how bad things can go. History is not always a good predictor for the future, particularly as earth is in slow flux with gradually warming sun, moving continents, life-driven sequestration of biosphere carbon, oxygen and nitrogen in crust.
    
    That said nothing about current warming seems worrisome – 1-2mm/year sea level rise rate (much of which is from ground water pumping) is low by recent Holocene standards, temperatures not high by Holocene standards, rate of ice melt and warming not troubling, and we are in obvious technology/economics driven transition away from fossil fuel use, so the cause for ‘alarm’ is transitory on 100-1000 year time scales relevant to earth with the slow ocean circulation and enormous thermal inertias of the ocean and icecaps.
    
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    July 5, 2019 2:07pm
  - Psycho Milt
    
    For billions of years this ecosystem we live in has had a way of sorting itself out.
    
    Yep, but it’s also agnostic about whether humans can survive in it or not. We humans tend to take a more self-interested view of what “sorting out” means.
    
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    July 5, 2019 5:36pm
- rangitoto
  
  With higher CO2 levels, plants are more drought resistant.
  
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  July 5, 2019 3:06pm
  - Psycho Milt
    
    They also become less nutritious, which is bad news for any life form that eats plants or relies on the activities of herbivorous invertebrates for its own survival – Homo Sapiens, for instance.
    
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    July 5, 2019 5:39pm
    - Tall Man
      
      psycho, you reveal yourself as a vindictive loser.. That really devalues any opinion you may have.
      
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      July 5, 2019 9:21pm
Tony Stuart

Wow – check out the turnout of ordinary American’s to Trump’s Independence Day Parade in DC. None of the major “liberal” networks has covered it, but it’s all over social media, including a tweet from the President himself:

https://twitter.com/CalebJHull/status/1146929339667230720

https://twitter.com/VP/status/1146956485823488001

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1146938775689412608
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July 5, 2019 1:48pm
- MCos
  
  I watched some of his speech on Al Jazeera.
  I was a little distracted when he claimed an American had split the atom.
  We all know it it was the New Zealander & British Subject Earnest Rutherford who knocked that off in 1918.
  
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  July 5, 2019 2:23pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Ernest, although he was in earnest when working.
    
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    July 5, 2019 2:37pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Imagine that: a tweet from the president. Does he reserve that for special occasions?
  
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  July 5, 2019 2:27pm
- Rich Prick
  
  You have to admire President Trump’s ability to keep the left permanently freaking out. I reckon his “Salute to America” ought to become a regular diary entry, just to keep them freaking.
  
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  July 5, 2019 2:31pm
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Commendably, his speech wasn’t about him, as many naysayers had predicted. He honoured the US Military.
    
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    July 5, 2019 2:51pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Isn’t it charming to know he can occasionally be presidential.
      
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      July 5, 2019 3:22pm
      - Tony Stuart
        
        If only you could occasionally not be sarcastic; did no one ever tell you that sarcasm is the lowest form of wit?
        
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        July 5, 2019 4:30pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Typical childish retort from an obviously bitter little man.
        
        It would be nice if we had a leader that could occasionally be intelligent.
        
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        July 5, 2019 4:47pm
      - Swifty
        
        TM – his life hasn’t panned out as he’d hoped.
        
        He is bitter and nasty as a result.
        
        A pity.
        
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        July 5, 2019 7:23pm
  - MCos
    
    This would keep anybody amused
    
    “Our Army manned the air, it rammed the ramparts, it took over airports, it did everything it had to do.”
    
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    July 5, 2019 3:08pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      “Who knew that airports in 1776 were so complicated?”
      
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      July 5, 2019 6:32pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Who knew that arseholes would be so prevalent in the 21rst century but hey mikey…. you’re there.
        
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        July 5, 2019 9:18pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The loopy left going on about the cost, saying US$92M. Well if the Dems had not wasted US$35M? on a Russian collusion witch hunt, they could have had an even bigger Birthday party
    
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    July 5, 2019 4:14pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Yuge!
      
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      July 5, 2019 4:16pm
- Rich Prick
  
  Tony, that second link, bottom photo, it looks similar to a North Korean flag. If so, that’s genius for its wind-up value.
  
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  July 5, 2019 2:38pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Red, white and blue, check. Stars, check. Slightly different arrangement though, so not a troll.
    
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    July 5, 2019 3:00pm
    - Tall Man
      
      mikey, is there anything you hold dear?
      
      You really do come across as an arsehole.
      
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      July 5, 2019 9:16pm
Jack5

Stuff continues to knife the Crusaders in the back, despite the love for the team of the readers of its highest-circulation newspaper, the Christchurch Press.

The Timaru-based hack who has repeatedly blasted the team for its name now is calling for the the Crusaders, if they win the Super Rugby title, to change their name.

His is a relentless, repetitive argument: that the name, Crusaders, doesn’t fit Canterbury’s inclusive society. This is the cracked-record technique: say the same thing again, and again, and again, and, in this case, expect people to pay to read, and re-read it.

The Stuff journo, who has lived in Canterbury for 14 years , says he doesn’t want the Crusaders to win on Saturday night. That is, he want them to lose – but hasn’t quite got the courage to say that bluntly. (He supports the Sharks).

You get his drift from his words: “our Muslim brothers and sisters in Canterbury.” In another article he wrote:

“Call me a social justice warrior and you both shame and motivate me, because I in no way measure up to the description …”

Perhaps the journo should consider that that, to be fully inclusive, a newspaper’s coverage and views must encompass those of the overwhelming majority of its readers. Here this means, the views of those who want their beloved rugby team to retain its name – the Crusaders.

Stuff’s marketing geniuses must think they can reverse the collapse in their newspapers’ subscriber numbers by bulldozing them into adopting the chain’s Leftist, social justice warrior, woke editorial philosophy.

They should take care that southern rugby fans aren’t forced to choose between buying the Press OR supporting the Crusaders. No guess who would win that match.

The latest never-let-go, anti-Crusader rubbish:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/114024567/dont-let-a-title-trump-the-ongoing-trauma-of-an-atrocity
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July 5, 2019 3:54pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  His “Muslim brother” Sonny Bill Williams never seemed to have a problem with wearing a Crusaders jersey; just sayin’…
  
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  July 5, 2019 4:31pm
  - Rich Prick
    
    If you’re a footie “star” amputations, beheadings and female mutualations are all cool.
    
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    July 5, 2019 10:36pm
- kevn
  
  Journo hack, shimmin needs to spend some time is a country that support his mindset.
  Get real in other words.
  
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  July 5, 2019 4:40pm
  - Tall Man
    
    You mean sex and travel….
    
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    July 5, 2019 9:12pm
- stinkypete
  
  I see Giovanni Tiso supports him on Twitter with ‘f**k the crusaders – what an odious man
  
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  July 5, 2019 5:10pm
- greybeard
  
  I see that today Stuff has discontinued their special section on their homepage which was a collection of articles related ( usually very distantly related ) to the March 15th event.
  About time.
  
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  July 5, 2019 6:03pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Time to forget all about it?
    
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    July 5, 2019 6:59pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Why mikey? Is dissent an “unallowed” thought?
      
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      July 5, 2019 9:14pm
  - Prince
    
    Is that the section they stored any article about ACT also, just to press home their bias.
    
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    July 5, 2019 7:39pm
- The King
  
  [Laughs in conquering Jerusalem from the Muslims]
  
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  July 5, 2019 9:47pm
- Gravelroad
  
  Our family lost 3 members during WW2 – all from Canterbury as it happens. Two were killed by the Nazis, one by the Japanese.
  Yet now our country is “friends” with both Germany and Japan and we have had to get over any feelings of hurt and outrage at the senseless loss of our sons, brothers and uncles.
  If we can do that and accept the huge impact the military actions and ambitions of both these countries had on us, perhaps those who are grieving about what happened in the crusades a few centuries ago could try to do likewise?
  
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  July 6, 2019 9:07am
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/114024643/victoria-university-of-wellington-changing-its-name-all-but-officially#comments

“Stuff” comments already closed after only 18 replies !.
17 against name change.
1 for.
What on earth is driving this Guildford person ? He has become obsessed with removing the name “Victoria” for some reason.
( Or lack of reason.)
As far as I am concerned it will always be Victoria University of Wellington.

God save the Queen !
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July 5, 2019 6:37pm
- Jack5
  
  Here’s Hipkins speaking:
  
  “”Where appropriate, the first mention would use the university’s full name – Te Herenga Waka – Victoria University of Wellington.”
  
  Hipkins buckles and the university takes the Maorification path.
  
  Oh well, as a world language of learning and knowlege and an ancient written language, Maori will appeal to the internatonal academic community, just as Navajo and the Tungusic tongues do . ?
  
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  July 5, 2019 7:05pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    You are making the same mistake as the idiot vice-chancellor – thinking that the university’s name needs to have international appeal and meaning.
    
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    July 5, 2019 9:09pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Can I call him a poof… you know … the thing you put your feet on….
    
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    July 5, 2019 9:41pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  I don’t have a problem with changing place names or institutional names for good reasons.
  But the VC’s myopic obsession that VUW needs a new name for marketing reasons is complete twaddle. A student who might choose a university in Canada or Australia because they don’t know which ‘Victoria University’ is which, is not the sort of student VUW should be seeking.
  
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  July 5, 2019 7:07pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Ten points mike.. an excellent comment and right on the button.
    
    Cheers.
    
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    July 5, 2019 9:38pm
- Tall Man
  
  As a younger man I always found people rediscovered common sense after a smack on the side of the head.
  
  Any volunteers?
  
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  July 5, 2019 8:12pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/kiwi-traveller/114022575/kiwi-family-rent-their-house-buy-a-yacht-and-sail-around-the-world

Destiny Church: Harley-Davidsons
Elim Church: Yachts
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July 5, 2019 6:45pm
- Tall Man
  
  Human being….. Choice.. and choice.
  
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  July 5, 2019 8:09pm
rangitoto

So google cutting NZ off from google Trends. Thanks for nothing Little.
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July 5, 2019 8:18pm
Hugh Pavletich

NEW ZEALAND HOUSING & RESTORED PROSPERITY: When are they going to START learning about Greater Christchurch’s leading performance … restoring hope and prosperity ? …

Rents in Wellington are rising so strongly they are closing in on Auckland, with average Auckland rent now just 5% higher than Wellington average … Greg Ninness … Interest Co NZ

https://www.interest.co.nz/property/100553/rents-wellington-are-rising-so-strongly-they-are-closing-auckland

… extract …

… Modest rental growth in Christchurch

Rental growth in Christchurch has been at very modest levels for the last two years.

In the second quarter of this year the average rent in Christchurch was up just 1.2% compared to the second quarter of last year, which was half the rate of increase over the previous 12 months.

Christchurch’s average rent of $381 a week was lower than the average rent in any of the North Island’s rental districts except New Plymouth, Palmerston North and Whanganui. … read more via hyperlink above …
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… Have you checked the latest REINZ May yoy price trends for Christchurch City, Waimakariri and Selwyn ? …

https://reinz.co.nz/residential-property-data-gallery

… and too … calculated from the May consents … extrapolated to annual figures, the ‘consents rates per 1000 population per annum’ (standard industry measure … refer graphs 5 & 6 http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/2017%20Information.html ) nationally, Christchurch, Waimakariri and Selwyn … and compare these with the latest May figures from the ABS (Australian Bureau of Statistics) ? …

https://www.stats.govt.nz/information-releases/building-consents-issued-may-2019

Residential construction shows no sign of slowing down as new consents hit a forty five year high, pushed up by a strong rise in consents for townhouses in Auckland | interest.co.nz

https://www.interest.co.nz/property/100502/residential-construction-shows-no-sign-slowing-down-new-consents-hit-forty-five-year

… and too … Check out too the massive commercial rentals advantages and trends of Greater Christchurch …

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/06/links-13-june-2019/#comment-3367563

https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/06/general_debate_12_june_2019.html/comment-page-1#comment-2507761

… with the new Northern and Southern motorways coming on stream early next year …

https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/04/general_debate_20_april_2019.html/comment-page-1#comment-2477381
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… No wonder Greater Christchurch is the leading major urban centre in New Zealand restoring affordability … and where most importantly … citizens and businesses have more opportunity and increasingly greater prosperity with more disposable income … as they are not burdened with unnecessary political and planning property costs.

… No wonder Christchurch’s restaurant sector leaves Auckland’s in the dust …

… Why are other urban centres throughout New Zealand such slow learners ?

Check 2019 Section

http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/
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