General Debate 4 July 2019

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Happychappy

Oh no Grant their are people that know that are saying you can’t do away with GDP and just have Wellbeing as your measurement of how to measure your performance.
https://www.interest.co.nz/opinion/100497/new-zealand%E2%80%99s-focus-wellbeing-rather-gdp-may-have-best-intentions-if-gdp-does-not.
But as always this will end up like the ANZ debate Grant knows best.
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July 4, 2019 8:15am
- Blackbob
  
  Reality will always bite.
  
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  July 4, 2019 8:33am
- niggly
  
  The article also highlights how clueless and idiotic Jacinda, Grant, most of Labour and the entire Greens are.
  
  Oh and Winston First is included because they enabled this dysfunction junction of a coalition and never once said anything to counter the stupidity of Jacinda, Grant, Labour and the entire Green Party when they ran their “Wellbeing” smoke and mirrors PR campaign!
  
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  July 4, 2019 8:45am
- Simon
  
  Its no coincidence as the economy turns to custard that the Clown Show starts on about wellbeing.
  
  Wellbeing has fuck all to do with good intentions but a mask for piss poor economic management.
  
  The cretins at RBNZ are losing it. They are fast losing control. Lower interest rates in a falling economy. To zero? What next then cretins?
  
  Also NZ economy will never recover with the Clown Show running things. RBNZ actually think lower interest rates with the back drop Labour, Greens who hate business will work. Amazing.
  
  And the RBNZ are already going the banks. The banks will be the scapegoat. The banks are unpopular but all they did was play the game set up by central planning. Go the banks and their overseas sources of funds dry up. Stupid game by RBNZ.
  
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  July 4, 2019 8:54am
  - igm
    
    RBNZ is definitely taking directives from this CoL. We are looking at quantative easing, so shows the depth of incompetence NZ businesses and taxpayers are facing . . . it is not a good look.
    
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    July 4, 2019 9:07am
    - gorse
      
      I suspected we were screwed the minute Peters said he was going with Labour. It is the speed of the collapse that leaves me astounded. Eighteen months ago we had a vibrant economy, now?
      
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      July 4, 2019 10:40am
      - Engelbert Humperdink
        
        Always easier to demolish than build. I think they are actually slower than predicted in tanking the country, because of the distraction the Christchurch atrocity was for the Clowness-in-Chief.
        
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        July 4, 2019 12:42pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    Is it a coincidence that Marx was around the same time as Dickens?
    “My other piece of advice, Copperfield,’ said Mr. Micawber, ‘you know. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen nineteen six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds nought and six, result misery.”
    With such sense pronounced in a novel, why are they believing the fictions of a failed economist?
    
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    July 4, 2019 9:51am
    - cmm
      
      Why? Because neither Marx nor his BFF Engels worked a day in their lives. Instead they were basically the prototypical polsci students who lived up large: servants, flash houses, parties etc all paid for by hand outs from their Capitalist families.
      
      As for caring for the worker, well Marx knocked up his housekeeper, fired her when she got pregnant and disowned the child.
      
      Any of this sound at all familiar?
      
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      September 17, 2019 5:57pm
  - freethinker
    
    When the RBNZ reduced rates and indicated more reductions to come I interpreted that as a leading indicator of a coming recession – or worse. I looked back to the 1960’s to see what interest rate reduction had been required to turn a recession back to growth and it was about a 3% interest rate reduction, no Western country has rates of 3% or higher so this time it will be different. When QE3 fails a combination of Fiscal and Interest rate action may be used as economic stimulation with the resultant debt being monetized – this seems like kicking the can again, or will there be a war?
    Ray Dalio at Blackrock has some interesting thoughts so clearly there is recognition of the potential even if no acceptable solution is currently available.
    
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    July 4, 2019 10:57am
  - The Proper Ghandi
    
    Simon
    Re: the Reserve Bank.
    The most pertinent question is: “Why does a central bank set interest rates?” You and I should determine the cost of borrowing. Full stop.
    Central banking is a tenet of Communism and has nearly succeeded in destroying the free market.
    
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    July 4, 2019 1:01pm
  - hullkiwi
    
    “What next cretins?”, the answer is they “print money”. Not good! Demonstrates the control of the economy is in control of children!
    
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    July 4, 2019 4:03pm
- Justitia
  
  @ Happychappy: I beg to differ. Grant hasn’t a clue. It’s all going to get pretty ugly soon and Grant will be utterly out of his depth.
  
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  July 4, 2019 9:15am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    What?! You mean he isn’t already?!
    
    I must have missed the competence phase of his tenure, remind me what day that was so I can Google it before Little bans Google!
    
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    July 4, 2019 9:41am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Didn’t I say yesterday that he’s already out of his depth?
    
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    July 4, 2019 9:42am
- KevO'Brien
  
  Grant and the rest of the COL have limited knowledge and an even more limited vision. They can understand baby formula but not the over all nature of production or activity producing a surplus. Some even regard individual produced surplus as being improper. State production runs to ideological texts: individuals to personal responsibility–if they lose, it may mean personal bankruptcy.
  
  GDP is hodgepodge of a statistic. It includes wages of police chasing burglars as well as farm outputs. It doesn’t include much domestic work in households. Never the less it picks up the monetary sum of a great deal of the measurable economic activity of a country, more so than any other statistic.
  
  GDP gives a crude guide to the measured activity in a country and is used for international comparisons. Internally it shows from year to year how outputs change. Those outputs reflect our relative prosperity and to Finance Ministers and others who understand the number they signal how much the tax take is likely to be. Indirectly GDP tells how much can be prudently spent by govt on its multiple demands.
  
  Welfare arises more out of availably of productive work for the citizens and encouraging private economic activity.
  Benefits are not welfare but maintenance.
  
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  July 4, 2019 9:19am
  - tf78
    
    Kev – the Tax Take is whatever they deem necessary for their spending – Labour as usual. They don’t know how to budget, they only know how to spend.
    
    Oil is now over US$57 and rising.
    
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    July 4, 2019 9:52am
    - hullkiwi
      
      Oil was over US$85 earlier in the year. The current price indicates why it started falling a couple of weeks ago. So much so I paid $1.949/litre a week ago in Millwater.
      
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      July 4, 2019 5:03pm
      - Hard Cheese
        
        But I thought you were supposed to be being fleeced?
        
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        July 4, 2019 6:18pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    ‘GDP is hodgepodge of a statistic. ‘
    Sure is.
    GDP = Consumption + Government Expenditures + Investment + Exports – Imports
    Detail here https://investinganswers.com/dictionary/g/gross-domestic-product-gdp
    
    -nice post Kev
    
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    July 4, 2019 9:55am
- emmess
  
  Yeah, it is quite hard to measure two consecutive quarters of falling ‘wellbeing’.
  
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  July 4, 2019 10:27am
  - alloytoo
    
    My “Wellbeing” has been falling (broadly in line with business confidence) since this government started squatting in the Beehive.
    
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    July 4, 2019 10:50am
  - Happychappy
    
    I wonder if Jacinda’s knowledge on GDP translates to the good dump of poo in lake Taupo to stimulate the economy.
    
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    July 4, 2019 11:02am
  - Tall Man
    
    And… that was the plan 😉
    
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    July 4, 2019 11:19am
  - 453mm
    
    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/06/official_wellbeing_has_declined_under_labour.html
    
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    July 4, 2019 1:52pm
  - cmm
    
    Murder up.
    Suicides up.
    Road deaths up.
    Hospital waiting lists up.
    Sexual exploitation by politburo up.
    Gang activity up.
    Homelessness up.
    
    Please, please, please stop measuring it doesn’t look good!
    
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    September 17, 2019 6:01pm
- Ruawai
  
  Ironically for the Labour government, GDP is a pretty good indicator of well being.
  
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  July 4, 2019 10:59am
- wreck1080
  
  Focusing on well being is stupid.
  
  One of the wonders of the world is compounding interest. Compounding per-capita gdp growth is another wonder.
  
  To claim well being is more important than gdp growth, is to have a complete lack of understanding of the abstract nature of money.
  
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  July 4, 2019 1:13pm
greybeard

I am about to show how little I know about the economy:

I see GDP as being irrelevant.
What IS important is our exports: the more overseas money we bring into the country the better off we are.
You can recycle NZ dollars for ever inside NZ , with high retail sales and house sales etc but that is not doing the country one iota of good.

Our whole emphasis should be on selling goods and services to overseas customers and thereby bringing new money into the country.
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July 4, 2019 8:30am
- Tall Man
  
  But what if you cannot sell your goods for the cost of production? Then every dollar you export increases your debt.
  
  GDP is a broad brush but it shows an overall trend. If inflation is running at 2% and GDP is increasing at 1.5% then you are going backwards.
  
  If wages are increasing at 5% and GDP is increasing at 2% and your currency is falling you are well and truly on the highway to hell. That is effectively where we are today and when that is coupled with competition for our largest exports from markets with lower or more stable wages then the road to hell gets steeper and we start getting there faster. That is where ardern is taking us.
  
  Of more concern is that a stagnant or falling GDP in real terms means that there is no excess capital to invest in the future. We all know that improved technology is the pathway to a better future for our children and grandchildren and there will be no “wellbeing” in the future without that investment.
  
  Now that is a simplified view but I am a simple fellow whereas ardern, robertson and “what’s in it for wynston” are just plain stupid.
  
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  July 4, 2019 8:56am
  - igm
    
    This is exactly what these vile leeches want. None of the current CoL have ever had a real hard earned income, they have all lived off taxpayers, ratepayers, or misled unionists . . . that is why I refer to them as vile leeches.
    
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    July 4, 2019 10:29am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Your are right GDP, although an imperfect statistic, show by comparison a great deal of useful information.
    
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    July 4, 2019 10:42am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  Exports bring money into the country and imports send money out of the country. The more we produce for internal consumption, the less we need to import to achieve the same standard of living. So I don’t see why producing for export makes us better off than producing for our own use.
  
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  July 4, 2019 9:37am
  - KiWombat
    
    So I suppose your watch and your car are both made in New Zealand then ?
    
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    July 4, 2019 9:43am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Nigel has a point. But that only works if you can achieve the economies of scale to be able to produce at a competitive cost for the local consumption.
      NZ with 5 million people can’t . The US with 320 million people comes pretty close.
      We have to pay for ourselves with exports. Fortunately we are very good at producing food.
      
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      July 4, 2019 10:04am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        And today in Auckland, rain.
        
        Lots and lots and lots of rain!
        
        Declare water conservation measures due to a ‘dry’ winter, nek minit, it is pissing cats and dogs outside.
        
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        July 4, 2019 10:26am
      - igm
        
        We are good at producing food at the moment . . . but this vile CoL are rapidly stifling that as well.
        
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        July 4, 2019 10:31am
      - Komata
        
        AoR@1000
        
        Re: ‘Fortunately we are very good at producing food’, or as it was put to me many years ago, ‘New Zealand farmers, farm grass’.
        
        However, don’t ever forget that, as far as the greens are concerned, the ability to produce food cheaply, in large quantities and to be able to sell it off-shore is totally evil and MUST be stopped asap.
        
        They would rather have us starve to save the planet, than produce and export for the greater good of all, although, like most socialists, you can be sure that they themselves will have taken the necessary steps to ensure they would not be effected by such tedious matters…
        
        James Shaw is but one example…
        
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        July 4, 2019 11:45am
  - yossarian
    
    That mercsantilist theory died years ago. Would we be better paying $10k for a crappy TV made in Porirua, or let the Koreans make it and buy it for a grand?
    
    Protectionism only hurts everyone.
    
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    July 4, 2019 10:42am
- Lizziep
  
  GDP is still important as is exports vs imports. Taking into account the high rate of taxes that have been implemented during this fiasco for the well being of whom I have no idea. Beneficiaries don’t get wellbeing in the long term they become welfare dependent and that helps no one at all.
  
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  July 4, 2019 10:25am
- wreck1080
  
  Internal gdp is important too.
  
  Look at Greece, for example. If you don’t have an efficient internal economy you have to borrow or live a lower standard of living.
  
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  July 4, 2019 3:41pm
Happychappy

I am no expert either Greybeard but if that is the reality that NZ faces why did Labour and NZ First try to stop the TPPA when National were in power, does that or it show that they agree with your view.
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July 4, 2019 8:45am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Why did the luddites sabotage the TPPA?
  
  Because it was being put up by those evil fascists known as National; there was no other reason
  
  The luddites are traitors to New Zealand and continue to be so while occupying the treasury benches, seat warmers to anyone of their 72 perceived genders.
  
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  July 4, 2019 9:47am
- Piniwi
  
  But H many enjoyed the irony that it was a Labour Government that made the first move to be part of the TPPA group. National did most of the subsequent work to advance the agreement while the COL begrudgingly signed it after a re-branding. Their lack of negotiation skills were illustrated by failing to gain any of their proposals being accepted before it was locked in.
  
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  July 4, 2019 12:54pm
Bell-47

Jacinda want’s to declare a “climate emergency”. Will anything really happen? No, will there be emergency measures like taxing the f*&# out of us for no reason? YES!
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July 4, 2019 8:57am
- igm
  
  What punitive measures will this vile and incompetent CoL take against Southland?
  They have shown commonsense and fiscal restraint — something Ardern and her wimps know nothing about.
  
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  July 4, 2019 9:10am
- tf78
  
  No, no, no – the people will be issued with sandbags, gumboots and umbrellas.
  
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  July 4, 2019 9:56am
- Ruawai
  
  Local councils are all in on this now, they are wanting future planning around climate change, these are just weather events that have been happening since forever and councils should have a contingency fund for such weather events.
  
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  July 4, 2019 11:02am
  - hullkiwi
    
    All except Thames Coromandel, who as a council voted down the motion. Now they are being taken to court by a woke group call the Thames Hauraki Environmental Action Group, who claim the council acted illegally what they rejected the motion. Consequently, this woke group want a judicial review of the Council’s decision.
    
    The world has gone mad for putting up with this garbage.
    
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    July 4, 2019 4:09pm
    - Komata
      
      Hullkiwi@1609
      
      Be very aware that this action against the Thames Coromandel District Council has little to do with climate change, and a lot to do with naked self-interest and the protection of the local underground economy.
      
      The greens have been following that particular line for many years and for the same reasons; protection of their local plantations against disruuption and loss of their incomes .
      
      Despite their protestations to the contrary, and their loud and long denouncement of the ‘monetary system’ a dedicated ‘Alternative lifestyler’ is just as much a capitalist as any Wall St. banker, and will fight just as hard to protect his interests…
      
      This is, of course, something the MSM will never acknowledge or bother to investigate….
      
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      July 4, 2019 4:36pm
      - hullkiwi
        
        I understand.
        
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        July 4, 2019 5:05pm
Scott

Our Prime Minister is very sensitive to right wing extremism and the threats of right wing violence. However the fact of the matter is that much of the violence happening in the West today comes from the left. They believe in their narrative of injustice and they believe that narrative justifies them in engaging in acts of violence against people they despise.

The violence against Andy Ngo, 1/2 Vietnamese homosexual man who normally would be supported by the left, but has committed the unforgivable sin of being a Conservative. It appears that in Portland Oregon the local mayor has given up the streets to Antifa, a violent group of far left extremists. Notice that they beat Mr Ngo with impunity and no police intervention.

Similar incidents of violence by Antifa have occurred in Portland over the last months. It is a similar situation to Birmingham Alabama in the 1950s when the KKK marched and committed violence with impunity.

Fortunately national figures like Ted Cruz are on the case and one can only hope that the rule of law will be restored. It shows us that the rule of law is important. When we start justifying violence with radical left-wing ideology we get on a slippery slope towards anarchy.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/portland-police-seek-more-suspects-from-violent-antifa-assaults-as-more-details-of-attacks-revealed
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July 4, 2019 9:00am
- Charmaine Hawke
  
  The fact they are the new KKK will be totally lost on these cretins.
  
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  July 4, 2019 9:15am
  - alloytoo
    
    The “left” were also the old KKK.
    
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    July 4, 2019 9:31am
    - stephieboy
      
      Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
      alloytoo, totally untrue!
      
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      July 4, 2019 10:27am
      - alloytoo
        
        The Democrats have long been entangled with the KKK and racially oppressive laws in the Southern States.
        
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        July 4, 2019 10:54am
      - Fletch
        
        Look it up Stephie. The KKK were the militant arm of the Democrat party who targetted both blacks and Republicans. There were no Republicans who were in the KKK. They even held the so-called Klanbake across the river from the Democratic National Convention to see which of them might be chosen to be in the running. Democrat president Woodrow Wilson showed pro-Klan film Birth of a Nation in the White House which basically reignited interest in the Klan which had almost died out years before.
        
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        July 4, 2019 11:09am
      - Charmaine Hawke
        
        He is right I am afraid the KKK were the militant arm of the Democrat party, you can deny all you like but it is true.
        The fact the Democrats managed sell the lie that they and the Republican’s changed places does not make it true.
        
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        July 4, 2019 11:18am
      - Batman
        
        Charmaine – yes but that also doesn’t excuse the religious right and the racist right finding a new home within the Republican base.
        
        We all know that the KKK types, the Southern rebellion types, and the fundie religious types all now call the Republican base home.
        
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        July 4, 2019 12:03pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Ahem I’d observe those who are religious have been excluded from the Left because of the Lefts bigotry towards them so naturally they end up supporting the GOP.
        As for the KKK types. 50 guys with Tiki torches in Charlottesville?
        BLM activists and Antifa fascists would outnumber them 100-1
        The number of hate crime hoaxes vastly outnumbers the actual number of hate crimes too.
        
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        July 4, 2019 1:04pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Look at the Civil Rights Act 1964 and who sponsored and supported it for starters!
        
        Then look at Nixon and the Republicans Southern Strategy about the same time.
        
        Then look at the KKK now and who they support!
        
        https://www.newsweek.com/kkk-leader-david-duke-tweets-thank-god-trump-thats-why-we-love-him-726023
        
        LOL!
        
        “The only new thing in this world is the History you don’t know!”
        
        Harry Truman
        
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        July 4, 2019 1:12pm
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Red,,Charmaine Hawke etc
        
        gabble, gabble, gabble!,
        
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        July 4, 2019 1:13pm
      - alloytoo
        
        Stephieboy wrote: Look at the Civil Rights Act 1964 and who sponsored and supported it for starters!
        
        The House approved the final bill in a 288-95 vote, with 81 percent of Republicans and 59 percent of Democrats in favor.
        
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        July 4, 2019 5:27pm
      - stephieboy
        
        alloytoo, the passage of the Civil Rights 1964 inot law was largely the work of both JFK and LBJ both Democrats,
        
        https://www.history.com/topics/black-history/civil-rights-act
        
        True a large majority of Republicans did support the bill but by the time Nixon had implemented their southern strategy, the conservative South ( formerly Democrat ) was firmly in Republican hands,
        
        https://www.history.com/topics/1960s/ask-steve-southern-strategy-video
        
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        July 4, 2019 8:06pm
      - alloytoo
        
        stephieboy, by the time the ’64 Civil rights act was passed, the KKK had been in bed with the Democractic party for almost 100 years.
        
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        July 5, 2019 7:17am
    - Swifty
      
      Stiffyboy displays his ignorance once again for all to see.
      
      Now see him run off to google to find something, anything, to support his error.
      
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      July 4, 2019 11:45am
      - All_on_Red
        
        And you were right!
        
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        July 4, 2019 2:03pm
      - Swifty
        
        He is as predictable as he is shallow.
        
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        July 4, 2019 3:13pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        Hmmm, I wonder if Stephieboy looked up who supported and who opposed the 1964 Civil Rights legislation. Fact, more Democrats opposed it than Republicans.
        
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        July 4, 2019 5:31pm
      - Swifty
        
        Ed Snack – an inconvenient truth.
        
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        July 4, 2019 5:58pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Ed Snack refer to my post as at c 8.06pm.
        
        Answered Prayers are there!
        
        Try explaining today the fact the KKK are great Trump and GOP fans?
        
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        July 4, 2019 8:11pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Stop telling lies
        https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/mar/7/david-duke-praises-rep-ilhan-omar/
        You omit so much history it’s embarrassing how ignorant you are
        ‘Jim Crow laws were state and local laws that enforced racial segregation in the Southern United States.[1] All were enacted in the late 19th and early 20th centuries by white Democratic-dominated state legislatures after the Reconstruction period.[2] The laws were enforced until 1965.[3’
        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Crow_laws
        
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        July 4, 2019 9:27pm
      - Swifty
        
        Another sneaky diversion attempt by Stiffy.
        
        The initial question was from where the KKK originated – not who supports who today.
        
        So dishonest.
        
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        July 5, 2019 1:09am
- Blackbob
  
  The Portland Mayor and other council members sympathise with the Antifa thugs, they think they’re do good works in reality.
  
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  July 4, 2019 9:21am
- Bell-47
  
  I would go as far to say that the Portland Mayor hasn’t given up the streets but rather offer tacit support for Antifa and anyone on the left associated with them. There was advanced notice of Andy being targeted and the police did nothing. The corruption in police departments in the US is often worse that that of the Thai police. More of this stuff only strengthen’s support for Trump. The silent conservative majority will speak again in 2020. How far will the left go if Trump wins again?
  
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  July 4, 2019 9:24am
  - freethinker
    
    How far will the left go if Trump wins again – hopefully over the edge of the flat earth they infest.
    
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    July 4, 2019 11:05am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Atifa are totalitarian. They would have no compunction in summarily sending people to the gulags or the firing squads.
  Did the West not learn from the last world war?
  
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  July 4, 2019 9:27am
  - Batman
    
    Learned more than Japan who these days just pretend large parts of it never happened ??
    
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    July 4, 2019 12:00pm
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      This is a difficult issue, and one that many foreign residents comment about.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHJsoCAREsg
      
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      July 4, 2019 12:10pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  I suspect a lefty-bully gene. This show up world wide. It is at the heart of some unions. My way or the Bash.
  
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  July 4, 2019 9:32am
  - tf78
    
    I think it’s rather more like an inferiority complex afflicting the left.
    
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    July 4, 2019 9:58am
    - Tall Man
      
      I had a math teacher in college who claimed that if you have an inferiority complex there was a good reason…. you’re inferior.
      
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      July 4, 2019 11:12am
      - Engelbert Humperdink
        
        I found it easier in school to be inferiorly simple. Got left alone a lot more.
        
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        July 4, 2019 12:44pm
      - alloytoo
        
        Lets not confuse the absence of Dunning Kruger with an inferiority complex.
        
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        July 4, 2019 1:14pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Englebert, I think ardern followed the same path.
        
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        July 4, 2019 3:25pm
  - igm
    
    Notice when lefties do give someone the bash they always have a number of them as they are too gutless and useless one-onto-one.
    
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    July 4, 2019 10:34am
- Brian Marshall
  
  The shear number of leftist MSM sites that are making excuses for Antifa about it is sickening. The describing of proud boys and patriot prayer as far right groups, is also very wrong. In fact I am more and more agreeing with the US President Donald Trump that the fake news media is an enemy of the people.
  
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  July 4, 2019 9:48am
  - Batman
    
    The Proud Boys are the mirror image of Antifa. Both are a bunch of pathetic thugs who use shouting and violence in lieu of rational thought.
    
    The fact that Trump’s campaign keep very quiet about Proud Boys attending their rallies is a stain the the Republican Party. The same goes for any Democrats tolerating Antifa.
    
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    July 4, 2019 11:59am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Fortunately there isn’t many of either. Their influence is way over estimated I reckon.
      
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      July 4, 2019 12:44pm
    - Engelbert Humperdink
      
      Batman – get Alfred to book you an MRI. Those accumulated head injuries have taken their toll…
      
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      July 4, 2019 12:45pm
    - Brian Marshall
      
      No they are not. You get your news from CNN or the huffington post you might believe that, but they are not attacking people.
      Feel free to link to YouTube posts where they are doing that, cause I see a massive amounts of Antifa attacking peaceful patriots, but none showing proud boys or patriot prayer going to Antifa rallies and punching and hitting anyone they disagree with. The give away is that only one side is covering their faces..
      
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      July 4, 2019 1:06pm
Odakyu-sen

We’ll know we’re in a recession in Auckland when:
– There are “For Sale” and “To Let” signs in front of a significant number of commercial properties in the light industrial areas
– When the number of real estate agent offices in the high streets halves
– When the waterfront cafes only seem to cater to tourists
– When unemployment exceeds 8%
– When the “mortgagee sale” ads proliferate
– When the media start talking about “New Zealanders leaving the country” when they really mean “New Zealand passport-holders leaving the country”
– Listings of unsold late-model luxury cars surge on Trade Me

Can you think of other indicators?
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July 4, 2019 9:22am
- Colville
  
  A bit of a scare will help the real estate agents.
  At the mo’ a well presented house sells itself so a lot of people wont use an agent.
  When times are tight and sellers > buyers then the good agents will do very well.
  
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  July 4, 2019 10:37am
  - alloytoo
    
    Auckland has needed a shaking of the Real Estate tree for a few years now. The industry is full of cocky ingrates who need some hard knocks to set them straight.
    
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    July 4, 2019 10:57am
- Maggie Pie
  
  @ sensei
  Yes, I recall selling a couple of my Louis Vuitton bags back in 2008.
  That was just prior to meeting my partner.
  
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  July 4, 2019 10:42am
- freethinker
  
  I think these are the confirmatory signs, the leading indicators are being portrayed daily. Beware the ides of Deutsche Bank.
  
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  July 4, 2019 12:10pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Deutsche Bank!
    Their share price certainly has sunk the last couple of years.
    
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    July 4, 2019 12:39pm
- Batman
  
  The ASB (maybe ANZ?) Truckometer Index.
  
  It is designed to predict exactly this sort of thing. Using the very sound logic that trucks on business = a good economy. If the trucks aren’t leaving and arriving at the ports with goods, we’re in trouble!
  
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  July 4, 2019 12:21pm
- Engelbert Humperdink
  
  ..the whining of JAFAs exceeds the decibel level of jets taking off from Mangere.
  
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  July 4, 2019 12:46pm
  - sooty
    
    But, but, what about all the trains delivering to Queen st and remers that aren’t on the highway!
    
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    July 4, 2019 2:21pm
- alloytoo
  
  Another indicator, Kindergartens were bursting at the seams with bubs as mothers returned to the workforce 2-3 years ago. There were waiting lists, barely any places.
  
  Now many of them of them have lots of spaces.
  
  After 9 long years of positive outlooks the average Kiwi family is battening down the hatches for the storm.
  
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  July 4, 2019 1:18pm
krazykiwi

Approximately 7% of Venezuela’s population has fled the country. This is ~2.5m people. Proportionally it would be like the entire population of Wellington leaving for Oz.

By we’d take money, passports and be ready to set up a new life. Not so those fleeing Venezuela. I have close family member working with these refugees in Colombia, and the tragic stories these people tell bring tears to my eyes. They arrive weak from lack of food, sick from lack of medical care, exhausted from walking huge distances and frightened about the future.

It’s easy to point to the CoL and lament that we’re becoming like Venezuela, and as much as I hate socialist’s being in control, and as much as I detest the trajectory we’re on, life in NZ is an incredible privilege, one we shouldn’t take for granted.
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July 4, 2019 9:24am
- otago-man
  
  Winston is donating $2,000,000 of our money in aid to Venezuela. I thought socialism was the answer to all the worlds problems, if it is so great , why would they need aid
  
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  July 4, 2019 9:55am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    ???
    Where is he getting it from? What vote allocation?
    
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    July 4, 2019 10:34am
    - Tall Man
      
      Well they’ve already robbed the cochlea implant funding but I very much doubt it will taken from the oh so important gender reassignment voter…….
      
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      July 4, 2019 11:11am
    - Lance
      
      Probably stealing it from cancer patients allocation.
      
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      July 4, 2019 11:29am
    - Batman
      
      Foreign affairs which includes the aid budget.
      
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      July 4, 2019 12:22pm
    - alloytoo
      
      All those invisible grassroots projects in low decile schools have already been gutted…..
      
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      July 4, 2019 1:20pm
  - freethinker
    
    Maduro and his co vipers need new uniforms and lots more bullets – the dogs have got wise.
    
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    July 4, 2019 12:12pm
  - Prince
    
    It is not aid, it is payment for economic advice received.
    
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    July 4, 2019 2:06pm
- cmm
  
  Does anyone buy the line that Venezuela has the world’s highest oil reserves?
  
  If you look at the graph you will see that most of the oil was “found” since the oil industry was nationalized.
  
  At about the same time, farms were nationalized too and there were claims this boosted production. Commie cows produced 4 times as much milk as capitalist cows.
  
  Of course reality turned out to be a bit different with the cows. Perhaps the oil isn’t really there either.
  
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  July 4, 2019 9:58am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    My understanding is that Venezuela always had and still has amongst the world’s highest oil reserves, but the oil is of poor quality and needs a lot of technical expertise in order to refine it successfully. When the socialists kicked the oil companies out of the country and tried to do it themselves that was the end of that.
    
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    July 4, 2019 10:12am
    - Inandout
      
      CM, I did hear that Pennsylvania oil came out of the ground in a golden colour, almost ready to use. Now that the US is actually an exporter of oil one can imagine those massive desert areas in that country are ready to be tapped.
      
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      July 4, 2019 10:19am
    - cmm
      
      Oh, certainly, the Venezuelan oil is heavy sour oil which is horrible to work with (rather than top-shelf sweet light Brent etc). When the world is awash with sweet light oils, nobody wants to work with heavy oils.
      That makes most of their oil very hard to sell.
      
      But look at the graph: a 4x jump in 5 years?
      
      Those “oil reserves” have been used to justify all sorts of bail outs and placating the people into believing there will be future riches because they have oil.
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_reserves_in_Venezuela#/media/File:Venezuela_Oil_Reserves.png
      
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      July 4, 2019 10:27am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        could venezuela’s rise be down to improved recovery tech (fracking, directional drilling etc)
        
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        July 4, 2019 12:26pm
      - cmm
        
        Urban, considering almost all the oil skills in Venezuela left with the gringo oil companies, I’m picking that fracking and directional drilling etc don’t come in to it.
        
        To my limited understanding, fracking is not really applicable to offshore. Maybe I’m wrong there.
        
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        July 4, 2019 1:18pm
  - Bell-47
    
    If the oil was really there, perhaps you would see more outside interference. Now that the US is for the first time in many decades, self sufficient in fossil fuel terms, it would be less likely they would need to protect what Venezuela may or may not have. Russian involvement seems to be merely support for another communist regime but less likely to secure hidden resources.
    
    It’s unsurprising there is little in the MSM about Maduro and Venezuela even Fox seems to be distracted at the moment.
    
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    July 4, 2019 10:35am
    - Batman
      
      Fox are busy managing their arousal for the Trump parade lol. I saw a clip of their Fox and Friends First hosts getting far too excited for a Tuesday morning ?
      
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      July 4, 2019 12:24pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        If you want a real laugh check out MNSBC or CNN. They have truly lost their minds over this.
        I thought April Ryan was going to explode.
        It’s hardly going to be Stalinesque with a massive parade.
        3 Abrams tanks with some mechanised support?
        Heck, there are over 1000 flyovers a year already!
        
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        July 4, 2019 1:09pm
- Jules99
  
  The smart educated people left early on when they saw the writing on the wall. Many were able to get skilled jobs in places like the US and Canada. The refugees now are the poor and the starving who had no options back then and hoped the government would look after them. Lots of lessons to learn there.
  
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  July 4, 2019 10:17am
- MrLovebucket
  
  it would be like the entire population of Wellington leaving for Oz
  
  Didn’t we practically have that during the last Labour Govt?
  
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  July 4, 2019 11:39am
  - Engelbert Humperdink
    
    And can we please have that now?
    
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    July 4, 2019 12:48pm
    - Prince
      
      It’s underway, just waiting for the trains and buses to take them to the airport.
      
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      July 4, 2019 2:08pm
    - sooty
      
      NO! Think of the ones left that have to pay for all of the beneies and fakeuges!
      
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      July 4, 2019 2:24pm
Ross12

OMG The PM supports declaring a climate change emergency in Parliament.
https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/politics/jacinda-ardern-keen-on-declaring-a-climate-change-emergency/

Hasn’t she got better things to do.

If it goes ahead then I hope at least one Opposition member asks her what it actually means.
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July 4, 2019 9:38am
- rangitoto
  
  Closing all airports. Banning diesel and petrol powered vehicles. Shut down and coal and gas fired power generation. No more driving kids to school. It’s an emergency right?
  
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  July 4, 2019 10:59am
  - srylands
    
    “No more driving kids to school.”
    
    That will not be necessary. All the kids that marched on parliament about the climate emergency immediately told their parents that they would be walking and cycling to school. That’s why when I now pass schools in the mornings and afternoons there are no SUVs in sight. Just hundreds of happy kids walking home.
    
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    July 4, 2019 11:46am
    - Tall Man
      
      “Just hundreds of happy kids walking home”
      
      You have the makings of a “Tui Ad” there…..
      
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      July 4, 2019 3:28pm
- MrLovebucket
  
  Apparently we have a climate emergency here in Wellington. Surely if there is an emergency, the air raid sirens should be alerting people at full blast to head to their nearest shelters.
  
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  July 4, 2019 11:00am
  - Batman
    
    Just the silent notifications for councillors that their business class flights to China are boarding soon so they better finish their lunch in the Koru Lounge stat!
    
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    July 4, 2019 12:27pm
- MrTips
  
  Of course she does and its genuine. The change in climate around her support (ie. its tanking) is a real emergency! Need squirrels now!
  
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  July 4, 2019 11:01am
  - sooty
    
    Or a wedding!
    Maybe another baby!
    
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    July 4, 2019 2:26pm
- Sacha
  
  I’m waiting to hear what all these people are going to do to fix the Emergencies. How are they going to cope with the town next door that doesn’t have one? Are Town Climate Emergencies the new infectious plague? Will there be a vaccination programme? What will the anti-vaxxers do?
  
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  July 4, 2019 11:06am
  - Batman
    
    $5 says she declares a public inquiry into the safety of 5G haha
    
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    July 4, 2019 12:28pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  People need to start emailing her the skeptic view. Ask her questions on the vibrational modes of CO2 and H2Oand how these are different, and the consequences of this. Or how the temperature was low at the end of the Ordovician when CO2 was over 4000ppm.
  
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  July 4, 2019 11:14am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    The sun is gradually increasing in output over time (will eventually destroy earth), so increased warming is expected.
    
    Couple of interesting things though: Atmosphere has changed significantly, there used to be a lot more Oxygen in the air (30% vs 20% now), and was a lot more Nitrogen and Oxygen and CO2 too before life and molluscs started converting it to amino acids and nitrates and carbonates that were slowly stored in rock and even subducted into earth. So the atmosphere has been getting much much thinner and colder at sea level – probably 10-20°C colder as global average since age of dinosaurs. Note biggest flying bird now only weighs about 20kg, Quetzlcoatlus was about 250kg, the size of a Giraffe! And dragonflies could grow to 700mm wingspan 250million years ago.
    
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    July 4, 2019 12:54pm
- srylands
  
  What changes?
  
  If the Government triggers a “national state of emergency” (e.g. huge earthquake) a whole bunch of things happen because there are legislative triggers for those things.
  
  A “climate emergency” triggers nothing. They are, quite literally, empty words. On the other hand if we had legislation that required climate emergencies to be accompanied by emergency actions to reduce greenhouse emissions, we would not be having any climate emergencies declared. 🙂
  
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  July 4, 2019 11:36am
- Piniwi
  
  More of the same Ross12 after they sold the voters on their “change” platform for the last election. As always with Labour the devil is in the detail so limited in every move they make. They are still working on the false premise that “making” a change is not the same a change actually happening. Both they and their followers think it is an instantaneous process until the unintended consequences soon kick in and they are left with belated wisdom from hindsight. Or just more excuses as they rush to blame it all on somebody or something else. The only sure thing on this slippery slope is the worst is yet to come as the previous best quarters drop off the equation.
  
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  July 4, 2019 1:36pm
Yvette

In currently pursuing name suppression rulings again in relation to the killing of Grace Millane, is Andrew Little not being instrumental in a “prophesy self-fulfilment manner” that may lead to claims of “unfair trial” circumstances that he has already suggested the alleged killer may appeal?

The matter had seemingly subsided to silence, but Little has resurrected it, so the issue again makes the “10 Most Popular” on the Guardian UK international website, 1 News, SKY and Newshub – this last, Newshub, with two headlines even: ‘Not acceptable’: Little takes on Google over Grace Millane, and ‘Don’t do evil’: Little’s stinging message to Google over Millane breach, as well as this morning running a poll asking “Should Grace Millane’s alleged killer have name suppression?” . [No 83%, Yes 17%]

[When the defendant first appeared in the Auckland District Court after his arrest in December, Judge Evangelos Thomas declined granting interim name suppression. However, the accused kept his name out of New Zealand media after Brookie (defendant’s lawyer) indicated an appeal.]

There seems to be two problems –
1
Google makes no changes after emailing out name of Grace Millane murder accused.
In December, the search engine giant sent an automated email to subscribers of its Google Trends service, which named the 27-year-old murder accused.
On Tuesday, Justice Minister Andrew Little received an email from Young, which said Google had “looked at our systems and it appears that last year’s situation was relatively unique as it was a high profile case involving a person from overseas which received extensive, worldwide media coverage” – stuff

2
But the simple Google Search function also can reveal the name –
Google Search apparently “crawls” all websites regularly, some at less than 30 minute intervals, and relays content summaries to Google search engines.
So now, while a link can say for New Zealand Internet users, “Access Denied – You don’t have permission to access “www …”, the summary can actually give the suppressed information.

Therein of course is another example of the theory that: Irony, not love, is what makes the world go round –
You are denied reading any other detail whatsoever in this item on the killing – indeed deprived of accessing the item altogether – in case you read the alleged killer’s name, and in the summary, the killer’s name is in fact the only detail available.

From media reports, it seems unclear if Little is still concentrating on what seems a “one off” issue – the Google email – and, last year, the British media for revealing suppressed details (problem 1, above), or the on-going accessibility of information in Google Search (problem 2).

Last December, Little said that the defence would be looking for every opportunity to say a trial right might be compromised and that was why suppression needed to be abided by

[ March 8 – The judgment and the reasons given by Justice Moore have been suppressed. He did, however, allow the media to report that he had continued name suppression “because I am satisfied that publication of the defendant’s name would create a real risk of prejudice to the defendant’s fair trial rights”.]

So, If the alleged killer actually walks free for “unfair trial”, how much will Little be held to account for contributing to that?
At what point does Little, beleaguering a problem, himself become a problem?
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July 4, 2019 9:39am
- cmm
  
  It is all just stupid stuff to try make a name for himself.
  
  Every day thousands of people go through the courts with no name suppression and without this impacting on their case.
  
  What’s so special here that breaking name suppression is going to derail the prosecution?
  
  If Andy really does want to make a useful change, then review name suppression. Name suppression should only be applied in extreme circumstances.
  
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  July 4, 2019 10:03am
- Bell-47
  
  Little only has jurisdiction for NZ. He cannot “command” Google to take down or suppress information available to the rest of the world. If he succeeds , and that is a big IF, he will have succeeded in doing absolutely nothing unless he intends to ban VPN’s, telephones and people just talking to each other. The Chinese, try as they might using the great firewall of China, still have not managed to completely curb its citizens from getting information online. As with most things, if people want something or some information they will find out and trying to stop it is like a global version of whack-a-mole.
  
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  July 4, 2019 10:45am
  - Fletch
    
    Next, they should fine Google for giving our plastic bags….
    
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    July 4, 2019 11:19am
  - Brian McDonald
    
    Isn’t he only wanting the suppression order to apply in NZ? Google NZ are probably responsible for that legally, that has shown to be the case in online defamation links around a dozen or so years ago. Or are you saying that Google is above NZ law or that of any country?
    
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    July 4, 2019 11:49am
- srylands
  
  I think we deserve to know, at least in general terms, why his name release would prejudice his trial.
  
  Anyway, talk about the horse having bolted. His name appears on thousands and thousands of search results. How can it be google’s fault? The Daily Mail and many other news sites published his name at the first opportunity. How do you stop that? The Daily Mail won’t give a toss about New Zealand’s court orders. Of course, they might have been open to cooperate if they had been given any persuasive and valid reason why publishing the guy’s name is a bad idea. Does anyone know of such a reason?
  
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  July 4, 2019 11:43am
  - Batman
    
    Wasn’t suppression lifted anyway?
    
    I’m which case, this is all a bit moot and is really just angry Andy jumping of the populist bandwagon for beating up on large tech companies.
    
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    July 4, 2019 11:48am
    - srylands
      
      “Wasn’t suppression lifted anyway?”
      
      No
      
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      July 4, 2019 11:59am
    - Yvette
      
      When the defendant first appeared in the Auckland District Court after his arrest in December, Judge Evangelos Thomas declined granting interim name suppression.
      However, the accused kept his name out of New Zealand media after [the defendant’s lawyer Ian Brookie] indicated an appeal …
      Brookie had initially sought to appeal of Judge Thomas’ decision but decided to abandon the process and instead he made a fresh application for name suppression.
      He did so on the basis of fair trial grounds as a result of events between his clients first appearance and transfer to the High Court. [1]
      
      It appears the continuing suppression may have been requested because the initial suppression was breached. It may be that Little’s comments back then have informed an avenue of defence, after Little remonstrated the first time – and if that is the case, the defendant’s lawyer may be very interested that it is all happening again now.
      
      [1] https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/grace-millane-murder-accused-keeps-name-suppression
      
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      July 4, 2019 3:19pm
  - Brian McDonald
    
    As source of the information Google may be responsible for its worldwide spread. The reasons for suppression orders are not always revealed in full details. We have a Bill of Rights that ensures citizens of a fair trial, that would be part of any order. Google is primarily a publisher, many publishers claim not to be publisher to avoid lawful sanctions. DPF at 1 point claimed not to be a publisher using the fundamental argument that a screen is not a printed page but things have moved on from there in fact we now have a Digital Harm Act.
    
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    July 4, 2019 11:55am
- G152
  
  NZ laws apply to NZ.
  Google is a worldwide media and we have no control over what other countries use Google for.
  Little is a small minded hypocrite
  
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  July 4, 2019 1:00pm
RW Capitalist

The Kindy “teachers” now want parity with primary and therefore secondary teachers.
HAHA
Competition for the claim of who has the best apt time job in the country.
Hipkins the incompetent brought this on us.
1. Did away with charter schools, handing increased power to the unions. Creating this whole teacher strike debacle.
2. Forced all kindy “teachers” to be “qualified” teachers…now creating the “feeling” of equality.

PSST….Kindy “teachers”…baby sitters, are NOT teachers.
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July 4, 2019 9:57am
- MCos
  
  Kindergarten teachers in the state system are not ‘babysitters’ as you suggest. The position requires a a BA as a minimum.
  Maybe there are other private preschools that call themselves kindergartens, which would not be involved with pay negotiations with the government, obviously.
  Whether or not the charter schools lived on in their previous format wouldn’t have made much difference to the big picture. The combined numbers of kids in all of them only added up to one large state school.
  
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  July 4, 2019 10:49am
  - Lance
    
    And yet the lefty clobbering machine shrieked hysterically and proceeded with obscene haste to see their demise.
    Must have been something that scared the shit out of them wouldn’t you admit McCos?
    
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    July 4, 2019 12:09pm
    - MCos
      
      I’m not admitting anything.
      I don’t know enough about them to pass judgement.
      At the start of 2018 eleven schools had a total of 1298 pupils.
      They might have been an admirable concept, for all I know, but not a practical model for more than a tiny number of students, it seems.
      
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      July 4, 2019 3:09pm
  - RW Capitalist
    
    “The position requires a a BA as a minimum.”
    Really???
    It is only suggested to have one.
    It requires
    patience
    tolerance
    and other parental traits.
    A BA is IRRELEVANT (in most occupations)
    but most especially here.
    Parity????
    If we take the teachers claims at face value (which I know should NEVER happen)
    Where is the parity of work?
    The after ours prep, the extra curricular activities?
    etc
    
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    July 4, 2019 12:57pm
    - MCos
      
      “It requires
      patience
      tolerance
      and other parental traits.”
      
      Oh really!
      
      You should be batting coach of the Blackcaps.
      
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      July 4, 2019 3:23pm
- Nigel Kearney
  
  ECE doesn’t do anything for kids. National as well as Labour have wasted our money on this.
  
  A while back there were a couple of studies that proved nothing more than that parents with jobs who paid for ECE tend to have kids who do better than parents without jobs who don’t pay for ECE and kept their kids at home all day. Somehow that was turned into the conclusion that kids are better off in ECE and therefore taxpayers should pay for them all to have it.
  
  Now there is the lunatic suggestion a kindy teacher in Waipukurau must be paid the same as a maths teacher in Auckland, because of ‘pay parity’ or something.
  
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  July 4, 2019 12:29pm
  - Piniwi
    
    Bollocks NK @12.29 pm. National made moves to get all children into ECE which increased the numbers substantially. A supplementary advantage was that more of them were seen by other adults outside their home situation. Plus through interdepartmental communications it offered possible early intervention in suspected abuse/neglect situations. Plus the move to provide more support services for those most in need of help were well on the way to be very close to a one on one capability. It is not just about the money but more a result driven structure of an all round program targeting the children’s well-being, progress as well as safety. Never targeted to happen overnight but to really happen as planned and carried out.
    
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    July 4, 2019 2:07pm
- krazykiwi
  
  It’s this kind of sector-by-sector lobbying, and subsequent state capitulation that really screws a country over.
  
  To wit, the retirement age for Greeks with jobs classified as ‘arduous’ is as early as 55 for men and 50 for women. As this is also the moment when the state begins to shovel out generous pensions, more than 600 Greek professions somehow managed to get themselves classified as arduous: hairdressers, radio announcers, waiters, musicians, and on and on and on.
  
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  July 4, 2019 3:22pm
Hugh Pavletich

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… Kiwis are not much interested in Mickey Mouse property deals…see below …

… Is the Government learning anything with its nonsense Kiwibuild scheme and other dim-witted rinky – dink property ideas ? …

Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/07/macro-afternoon-681/#comment-3384701

Harbourside apartment in Auckland’s Central Business District sells for $20,000, but there was a catch or two … Greg Ninness … Interest Co NZ

https://www.interest.co.nz/property/100527/harbourside-apartment-aucklands-cbd-sells-20000-there-was-catch-or-two

A waterfront apartment in downtown Auckland has sold at auction for $20,000 (yes, that’s not a typo – twenty thousand dollars!)

The one bedroom plus study apartment comes with a car park included in the price, and also a spacious deck. It’s north facing with uninterrupted views across the harbour to the North Shore (see photos above and below).

It’s located on the harbour side of the Scene 1 Building at 2 Beach Road in the CBD, just along from the intersection with the bottom of Beach Road.

According to QV.co.nz it had been purchased for $311,200 in 2002. … read more via hyperlink above …
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July 4, 2019 10:01am
- WaveyDavey
  
  So what? It was leashold. Many leasehold properties are essentially worthless as the house depreciates over time while the ground rent increases.
  
  Who didn’t know that?
  
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  July 4, 2019 10:38am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    WaveyDavey … Incompetently structured ground leases is what the problem is here in New Zealand.
    
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    July 4, 2019 11:49am
    - All_on_Red
      
      The Lessor probably doesn’t think they are ‘incompetently structured’. Ngati Whatua in this example.
      Lol
      The Terms and the Lease are available to view before you buy. All Ground Leases have a market value/ return calc in them. The review period might vary but you pay in the end.
      Actually, if it’s a Unit Title, its mandatory the costs are disclosed.
      So Buyer Beware.
      
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      July 4, 2019 12:28pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        All On Read … There is nothing clever about bad business … as the Maori Incorporation’s are learning at their cost.
        
        The 1998 Maori Reserve Land Act Amendment dealing with ground lease changes has been a massive disaster.
        
        I am very very familiar with that political circus !
        
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        July 4, 2019 12:58pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        How is it bad business for the Lessor?
        How is it costing them?
        It’s all upside.
        None of the Ground Leases here are anything to do with Maori Reserve Land Act.
        
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        July 4, 2019 2:10pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        All On Read … Clearly, you are clueless on ground lease issues as well.
        
        Thankfully National is ‘safely’ on the Opposition benches now.
        
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        July 4, 2019 2:50pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Don’t I just?
        Lol
        Yes I do.
        So come on Big Mouth. Answer my questions.
        If you thought these were covered by the Maori Reserve Land Act then clearly you’re the one who doesn’t know.
        What.a.blowhard
        
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        July 4, 2019 3:54pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        All on Red … You remind me very much of the poor alligator in The Battle Of New Orleans …losing it …
        
        Johnny Horton – The Battle of New Orleans
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSTKE85yXl4
        
        And it too so little ‘powder’ !
        
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        July 4, 2019 4:22pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        You don’t know do you Hugh
        Owning the Freehold of Ground Leases in Auckland is a bullet proof investment.
        Those ones in Scene have the Ground Rent reviewed every seven years. So the land is revalued and rent charged at 7% on that value (apportioned of course to the area in each Unit Title)
        If you think that’s a ‘bad business’ then you’re clearly the moron we think you are.
        If you’re unhappy about RMA reform then write to your MP.
        And grow up. Stop spamming the site.
        Maybe get a job huh.
        
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        July 4, 2019 4:42pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Those ground lease structures are simply bad business … medium / long term.
        
        The above clearly illustrates why.
        
        And too … to suggest Auckland is ‘bullet proof’ is just nuts.
        
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        July 4, 2019 4:57pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Why?
        Come on Big Mouth
        Explain why
        
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        July 4, 2019 4:59pm
    - WaveyDavey
      
      They’re very well structured actually.
      
      If you own the land.
      
      Ex-Mrs WD looks after 140 leasehold properties for a very wealthy man. Pretty sure he thinks they’re well structured given the rises in land value since ’02 or so.
      
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      July 4, 2019 3:58pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Quite
        Given the value of Auckland property has (roughly) doubled every seven years for the last 100 years the rental growth is phenomenal.
        Also, if there’s a mortgage on the Lessees interest and they get behind, then the Bank will pay the Ground Rent to avoid possession of the Lessees interest passing to the Lessor.
        Your Ex’s boss is a clever man getting those.
        Hugh’s an ignorant blowhard.
        
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        July 4, 2019 4:48pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        … and what sort of reception do potential ground lessees get from Banks ?
        
        No wonder the Banks are not interested.
        
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        July 4, 2019 5:10pm
      - WaveyDavey
        
        A downvote. Is that you Hugh?
        
        Tell me how an investment that more than triples its returns 7 years later is bad business?
        
        21 year leases with 7 year ground rent reviews is f*cking fantastic business. Lousy if you’re the lessee of course but if you own the land it is bulletproof.
        
        Even if the value dropped 7 years later (bet you $100 it won’t have) you’ve still massively increased your ground rental income. And for what? Doing absolutely nothing at all.
        
        I used to think you might actually know a thing but on this showing better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than open it and prove that you are.
        
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        July 4, 2019 5:24pm
      - WaveyDavey
        
        It’s better than that Red. The whole property might have doubled, but if you look at land values they rise faster than the improvement.
        
        The ex’s ground rents tripled 7 years in – they were sold to her boss by an organisation who saw what was going to happen and for reasons of religious faith* and PR didn’t want to be portrayed as rapacious landlords.
        
        *Unsurprisingly not the Catlicks as they don’t really give a toss
        
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        July 4, 2019 5:30pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Hugh Paveletich,
      
      I suggest and urge never respond to All On Red’s and Tall Man’s abusive tents!
      
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      July 4, 2019 5:13pm
      - WaveyDavey
        
        The only abusive tent I’m aware of was Tracey Emin’s.
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everyone_I_Have_Ever_Slept_With_1963%E2%80%931995
        
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        July 4, 2019 5:33pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Sure Stalker
        Your lack of self awareness is funny
        
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        July 4, 2019 5:35pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Stephieboy … I appreciate your sound advice !
        
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        July 4, 2019 5:52pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Please don’t engage with this nutter.
    
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    July 4, 2019 4:00pm
- Tall Man
  
  I’m not sure who is more annoying, you or steffy girl but you are both up there.
  
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  July 4, 2019 11:03am
  - All_on_Red
    
    He’s like a one track record which has been playing for the last decade. On and on and on.
    Pretty much all of what he says was known by us years and years ago and nothing he says is original to him either.
    He’d be better off spamming his MPs than us.
    
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    July 4, 2019 12:31pm
    - Tall Man
      
      You’re just feeding the dickhead.
      
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      July 4, 2019 4:00pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Yeah, but it’s fun showing him up as a fool.
        Besides, give him a one liner and just like Pavlovs Dog he comes straight back with a big cut n paste!
        Arf arf.
        
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        July 4, 2019 4:53pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        You guys were put on the Opposition benches because you were failures.
        
        Please spend the 9+ years wisely, by endeavoring to learn a thing or 20.
        
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        July 4, 2019 5:23pm
      - WaveyDavey
        
        He also doesn’t have a clue about the Republic of Ireland.
        
        The property and banking crisis came about because of an over-supply of spec builds and when the demand plummeted it left the banks exposed.
        
        Correct me if I’m wrong but I’m pretty sure that NZ isn’t suffering from a “too many houses” problem.
        
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        July 4, 2019 5:37pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        ‘You guys’
        Write to your MP Hugh. It’s up to them, not us.
        Now grow up and stop spamming us with stuff most of us knew years and years ago.
        You clearly don’t know as much as you think you do.
        ‘If you talk the talk, you gotta walk the walk, or the act doesn’t play.’
        
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        July 4, 2019 5:38pm
- Hugh Pavletich
  
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  Likely … the above should have really had a negative value … where the vendor paid the purchaser to take it off the formers’ hands.
  
  There is a world of difference between cost and value of course … as many are going to learn the hard way going forward.
  
  Some further ‘food for thought’ with recent posts …
  
  https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/07/general_debate_2_july_2019-2.html/comment-page-1#comment-2518136
  
  https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/07/general_debate_2_july_2019.html/comment-page-1#comment-2517649
  
  https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/07/general_debate_2_july_2019.html/comment-page-1#comment-2517477
  
  What has been learned from Ireland’s ’07 experience ? …
  
  https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/12/general_debate_4_december_2018.html/comment-page-1#comment-2373515
  
  New Zealand is in extremely serious trouble due to its grossly excessibe ‘multiple stretch’, by far the worst in the Anglosphere … refer this years Demographia Housing Survey and associated information within the 2019 and Feb Update sections http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org
  
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  July 4, 2019 11:21am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
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    What is the latest on this important issue ? …
    
    Despite being knocked back by both major political parties during the 2017 election year, the RBNZ continues to push for the inclusion of a debt-to-income limiting tool in its macro-prudential toolkit … Gareth Vaughan … Interesy Co NZ
    
    https://www.interest.co.nz/personal-finance/99812/despite-being-knocked-back-both-major-political-parties-during-2017-election
    
    The Reserve Bank is still holding out hope that a tool with debt-to-income (DTI) threshold limits for borrowers could be added to its macro-prudential toolkit.
    
    “The Reserve Bank’s view is that a serviceability restriction, eg, a debt-to-income threshold limit for borrowers, at which banks can only make a certain percentage of new lending would be a useful addition,” the Reserve Bank says in a paper released on Wednesday.
    
    The paper, Macroprudential policy framework: Mitigating the likelihood and severity of boom-bust cycles, was authored by Piers Ovenden, an adviser in the Reserve Bank’s financial system policy and analysis team. Ovenden notes other macro-prudential instruments may be added to the macro-prudential toolkit over time, and there could be a role for such tools as the financial system and risks evolve. … read more via hyperlink above …
    .
    .
    Mortgage Measures – Central Bank Of Ireland
    
    https://www.centralbank.ie/financial-system/financial-stability/macro-prudential-policy/mortgage-measures
    
    In 2007 the average unweighted Median Multiple across the major Irish metros was 4.7, which in subsequent years slumped to 2.8 … sending all its Banks to the wall and requiring about 70 billion euros of bailouts (from in the main German institutions looking after their own interests).
    
    Currently, the unweighted Median Multiples across the major metros of Australia and New Zealand are 5.6 and 6.5 respectively … http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org …
    
    Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey: All Editions
    
    http://www.demographia.com/db-dhi-index.htm
    
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    July 4, 2019 11:54am
    - All_on_Red
      
      This is just childish spam because Hugh got some negative comments.
      Just grow up Hugh.
      
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      July 4, 2019 12:33pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        The RBNZ is being extremely responsible in aiming to lift Banks capital by around $19 billion and imposing DTIs like Ireland and the UK.
        
        The grossly excessive housing bubble (about $600 – $700 billion) and a deeply stressed dairy sector, in particular, are very real concerns.
        
        I wish the Labour – led government every success in sorting out the unnecessary messes of the previous National – led government.
        
        Watching John Keys irresponsible performance at the ANZ Bank speaks for itself. At least he is less destructive out of politics.
        
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        July 4, 2019 3:13pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Woof woof
        Good doggy, good doggy
        *pats head*
        
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        July 4, 2019 5:45pm
    - freethinker
      
      Talked with my corporate manager last week, income for rural has to be able to debt service at 6.2% residential at 7.5% if this is not the Banks imposing a debt to income ratio ardern is competent and Hugh is relevant.
      
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      July 4, 2019 4:06pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Freethinker … You clearly need to read the Central Bank of Irelands background research … accessible via the hyperlink up – thread.
        
        The CBoI and BoE imposed DTIs for very good reasons.
        
        There sure is a very big sort out going forward.
        
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        July 4, 2019 5:05pm
MCos

A remarkable passage from a NYT article about the waning influence of John Bolton
‘Standing between us and that apocalyptic possibility is the Fox News host Tucker Carlson, who has been urging Trump away from a military confrontation with Iran. Last month, Carlson used his opening monologue to eviscerate Bolton, calling him a “bureaucratic tapeworm” for whom war is “always good business.” In normal administrations, national security advisers have more authority than cable news hosts, but it was Carlson, not Bolton, who was with Trump at the Korean Demilitarized Zone this weekend. (Carlson later called into “Fox & Friends” and rationalized North Korean atrocities, saying that leading a country “means killing people.”)’
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July 4, 2019 10:07am
- Inandout
  
  MCos, Trump takes advice from all quarters, as you would expect a smart businessman to do. Grant Robertson, on the other hand….
  
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  July 4, 2019 10:23am
  - Tall Man
    
    “Grant Robertson, on the other hand…”… relies on a liar’s inchewishin.
    
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    July 4, 2019 11:05am
  - MCos
    
    Grant Robertson doesn’t have a close personal relationship with Kim Jung Un.
    Furthermore
    If it became known that he took advice from some wild eyed political crazy, say me, instead of his cabinet colleagues, the sky would fall on his head.
    
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    July 4, 2019 11:06am
    - Batman
      
      Say, he developed a close relationship with Nicholas Maduro and took his external advice from Lynn Prentice…
      
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      July 4, 2019 12:33pm
      - freethinker
        
        Advice from Maduro may be an improvement to the crap Robbo listens too.
        
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        July 4, 2019 4:08pm
MCos

Snowflakes

Organisers of a “straight pride” parade have claimed to be victims of terrorism after receiving envelopes full of glitter.
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July 4, 2019 10:08am
- Inandout
  
  MCos, you know the old saying ‘all that glitters is not gold’.
  
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  July 4, 2019 10:24am
  - Tarquin North
    
    Don’t tell Grant and Cindy.
    
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    July 4, 2019 10:34am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Gary not available? Why is that?
  
  Oh, I remember . .
  
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  July 4, 2019 10:34am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Micro plastics!! *cue wailing and gnashing of teeth*
  
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  July 4, 2019 3:35pm
Maggie Pie

I’ve followed Ivanka on twitter ever since buying a pair of her shoes off Ebay a couple of years back. Her dad sounds like he really means business this morning 🙁

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1146517318509481984
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July 4, 2019 10:34am
WaveyDavey

For whoever was asking about taking NZ Super overseas yesterday.

No 90-day rule, no 6-month rule, yes you can and you can get 100% of it.

https://www.workandincome.govt.nz/pensions/travelling-or-moving/going-overseas-super/residing-in-any-other-country.html#null

https://www.workandincome.govt.nz/pensions/travelling-or-moving/going-overseas-super/residing-overseas.html#null

Will go a long way is most of Asia, and a large part of Europe too
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July 4, 2019 10:36am
- Bell-47
  
  Mrs Bell-47 is from a small south east asian country. The weather there is always warm and very easy to grow your own food. Our pensions will allow us to live a relatively wealthy lifestyle. Our combined weekly pension would equate to 3 months local wage average. 12 years to go…
  
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  July 4, 2019 10:54am
  - Tall Man
    
    Not wanting to burst your bubble but Asia is growing at a frenetic rate.
    
    I first visited Thailand, as an example, in 1979 and have been a frequent visitor since then.
    
    The growth in the country over the past ten years has been exponential and it won’t be long before they surpass NZ in both income and technology. Maybe not in the 12 years that you plan for but I wouldn’t be surprised.
    
    Singapore and Hong Kong from the 1970’s bear no relation to those modern locations today.
    
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    July 4, 2019 11:09am
    - Bell-47
      
      Very true, we keep a close eye on it. Mrs Bell-47 travels to her homeland twice yearly and there certainly is a great deal of progress. Her country is probably the slowest of that group to grow because it is landlocked and under communist rule. The Chinese are investing in rail and other infrastructure but the general population is still relatively poor. We have land there and will look to spend a few months there during the winter in NZ returning in November each cycle. 12 years is a long time agreed but it cannot come soon enough.
      
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      July 4, 2019 12:12pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      In the 70s it was 5 Singapore dollars to $1 NZ and a luxury hotel room was NZ$20 per night when an inferior room here was twice the price.
      What happened?
      
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      July 4, 2019 12:22pm
      - Tall Man
        
        They never elected a labour or “what’s in it for wynston” government.
        
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        July 4, 2019 3:33pm
    - WaveyDavey
      
      Which is why now is a good time (possibly the last time) to jump and buy property.
      
      It’s unlikely to get any cheaper…
      
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      July 4, 2019 4:00pm
- Muzza M
  
  That was me. I currently live in the Philippines 5 months of the year and work in NZ during the apple season. I intend to retire to the Philippines when I hit 65. Thanks for taking the time out to find me the information.
  
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  July 4, 2019 11:20am
  - WaveyDavey
    
    You’re welcome, we’re making plans for the same.
    
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    July 4, 2019 3:54pm
- kevn
  
  @Wavey… I do wonder if this option is going to blindsided as well. One would need to be very sure.
  I (and most of us) just don’t trust this CoL in any way.
  
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  July 4, 2019 1:31pm
  - WaveyDavey
    
    Yeah, we’d keep a home in NZ for that reason.
    
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    July 4, 2019 4:01pm
- Piniwi
  
  Right WD @ NZ Super is portable with an added advantage of being tax free from NZ as it is not received there as local income. Also tax free in many Asian countries as not locally generated income but deposited in your bank in the local currency. Unfortunately that does however it make it vulnerable to the stability or recent lack thereof of the state of the NZ$ as well as the local currency. With the present low NZ$ value the biggest annual increase ever has been more than lost in a sort of roll back.
  A NZ born and bred recipient will indeed get 100% provided they had been in NZ continuously for 540 months. Any breaks in that will be reduced by the 540ths of absence deducted from the entitlement. Not the same rules for new migrants who have a much shorter qualifying period to allow portability. The COL might change that to further advantage for local and offshore recipients.
  That said the cost of living in many Asian countries is much cheaper which can enable savings to accumulate for regular “home” vacations. Example latest power bill is total equivalent to NZ$55.00 in the heat of summer interestingly from a geothermal source nearby. At that rate we can put up with the odd brown out as another transformer goes bang.
  
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  July 4, 2019 2:49pm
  - WaveyDavey
    
    Hah. My part of NZ’s largest city regularly gets brown-outs when transformers go bang so not hugely different
    
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    July 4, 2019 3:54pm
Happychappy

You can always tell when a Labour led Government are in trouble, their so called economists scream at them to start borrowing money and forget about their fisical responsibility to stimulate the economy says Hickey.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/@politics/2019/07/04/666426/adrian-orr-needs-a-monetary-policy-mate-and-fast
If they don’t they will have money from what is projected to stimulate the economy before the next Election, in other words pay for the bribes needed for the public to vote for them.
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July 4, 2019 10:41am
- Tall Man
  
  Don’t borrow… drop personal tax.
  
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  July 4, 2019 11:40am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  They only talk about Keynes when times are tough and they want to spend money they don’t have. When times are good, Keynes is forgotten and they advocate more spending ‘because we can afford it’.
  
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  July 4, 2019 12:34pm
  - Hacked-Off
    
    Yes; it is strange when they trot out Keynes. He of course was counter intuitive. When times are bad and business ceases to spend then Keynes advocated that the Government be the spender of last resort to stimulate the economy. When the business cycle was good then the Government cut back its spending as this was replaced be high demand and business spending. Most Governments have it back to front.
    
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    July 4, 2019 2:58pm
- krazykiwi
  
  stimulate the economy
  
  Government-speak for: Let’s get those consumers spending, baby. Spending! On anything, good, bad or wasteful. It doesn’t matter. Our GST tills will be ringing. And never mind the faltering economy. The next government can deal with that.
  
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  July 4, 2019 3:34pm
Alan Wilkinson

Mueller, master of self-justifying insinuendo:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/07/03/insinuendo_why_the_mueller_report_doth_repeat_so_much_140692.html
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July 4, 2019 11:25am
Yvette

UN Migration Compact
Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has questioned whether Bridges and his party acted responsibly in the way they campaigned against New Zealand signing the UN agreement, and by possibly highlighting the fear behind it, rather than the facts.

Stuff comments – National’s leader has found himself on the uncomfortable side of recent history, promoting a stance on the United Nations Migration Pact similar to that of the alleged killer of 51 people, and the far-right nationalists who support his hateful ideology.

The Dalai Lama has also expressed views – “Keep Europe for Europeans” – that could be said to align with Christchurch terrorist Tarrant’s views.
But it seems his actions don’t.

Bridges and others raised concerns about the risks of diminished sovereignty and some definitions. Such concerns have also been raised by other nations, notably the United States and Australia, still.

However, Ardern says such worries are unfounded; the document is non-binding and there is [Crown Law] legal advice to support her position.

So,can Ardern explain – if the UN Compact is that clearly self-explicit, so transparent, and straight forward in its integrity, why did Winston need to obtain legal advice before signing it, and what really was the point, if it is “non-binding” but suggests judges and court cases may want to reference it?

But then in successfully sponsoring UN Resolution 2334, New Zealand used the already rejected and withdrawn Egyptian draft verbatim (but added 13 paragraph numbers) in an exercise that was seemingly little more motivated than virtual-signalling New Zealand had done something in its term on the Security Council.
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July 4, 2019 11:36am
- alloytoo
  
  Bridges appears to be 100% more qualified than Ardern to judge the legality of pretty much anything.
  
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  July 4, 2019 1:27pm
- cmm
  
  Five syllables that help it make sense:
  
  CinD4UN
  
  It does not have to make legal sense.
  Kiwis don’t have to like it.
  All that matters is if it plays well to the UN luvvy-club.
  
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  July 4, 2019 2:10pm
- stephieboy
  
  It goes without saying any international compact or treaty we sigh ( UN or otherwise ) needs to be scrutinised for its legal or constitutional implications!
  
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  July 4, 2019 5:09pm
Tall Man

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2019/07/02/663254/sorry-minister-youre-wrong

And if/when it turns bad, they’ll all run for cover.

The baby doesn’t have to be murdered to be destroyed for life.

Look at the re-emergence of extremely feral families. Not individuals but whole families and the children of those families are doomed from the day they leave the hospital.

Wee, as a country, focus on the deaths but we should be equally concerned by the total destruction of potential that a child born into these families is destined to endure.

Children are a gravy train for some families and that needs to be addressed…. NOW.
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July 4, 2019 11:39am
- rightoverlabour
  
  But she watched the Tarrant video…
  
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  July 4, 2019 12:01pm
  - Grant
    
    Inadvertently but.
    G
    
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    July 4, 2019 4:47pm
- Scooter
  
  In JA’s mind, ignorance is bliss
  
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  July 4, 2019 10:32pm
stoptheboats

MEANWHILE, over the ditch –
”Government set to pass full $158 billion tax cut plan after securing crossbench support”

watch the Kiwi outflow as they flee an amateur feelz govt drunk on increasing taxes,banning things, and pissing off anyone they see trying to get ahead!
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July 4, 2019 11:43am
- barnacle bill
  
  As always, there are two sides to this story..
  
  https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/interest-rates/interest-rate-cut-sowing-the-seeds-of-disaster/news-story/bfaf13d32085c072c3108d036fce4603
  
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  July 4, 2019 11:53am
  - Tall Man
    
    No dopey, that isn’t the other side of the story.
    
    There is a problem so the tax cuts are designed to solve that problem by putting more money into the economy with discretionary expenditure being vested in the hands of those who earn it.
    
    I guess you went to the same school of economics as ardern and robertson… and then only to eat your lunch.
    
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    July 4, 2019 3:40pm
    - barnacle bill
      
      You would be far better not showing just how nutty you are tallboy.
      
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      July 4, 2019 3:49pm
- barnacle bill
  
  It is bad over the ditch when a former Liberal Party Leader needs to have a crack at Libs, pointing out the error of their ways.
  
  Tough times heading Australia’s way.
  
  https://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/australia-s-unique-opportunity-for-an-infrastructure-revolution-20190703-p523n2.html#comments
  
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  July 4, 2019 3:47pm
John Warren

Pity middle class white western people, and the terrible, gnawing existential angst and crippling guilt that now completely occupies their minds. Free speech must be completely suppressed. Only approved opinions allowed. You can’t knit and support Trump at the same time.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/on-the-inside/393580/tash-barneveld-online-knitting-community-ravelry-v-trump-and-hate-speech
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July 4, 2019 11:56am
- Inandout
  
  JW, let’s hope the 4th of July in the US is all about the greatness of that bastion of freedom. The flag design that Nike spewed about was on Obama’s inauguration podium, and the military displays were often officiated by Presidents. Thanks goodness Google hasn’t deleted all US history.
  
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  July 4, 2019 6:19pm
Jack5

Jacinderellla says “red tape” got in the way of a Government move to declare a “climate change emergency” – as proposed by the Greens’ Clueless Chloe. Jacinderella still backs declaring an emergency.

Red tape? When we charitably thought that old Peters had been backroom blocking this in penance for his betrayal of voters over the UN Global Migration Pact.

On that pact, the Red Stuff newspaper chain ran editorials yesterday saying that, on the Migration Pact, Simon Bridges was on the “wrong side of history” and was promoting a stance “similar to that of the alleged killer of 51 people”.

Are the Aussies who bought Fairfax poisoning the Stuff newspapers so they can sell off the printing plants?

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/393547/council-taken-to-court-over-lack-of-action-on-climate-change
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July 4, 2019 11:57am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  I’m over all this ‘climate change emergency’ crap.
  Isn’t it more relevant that we have an ‘economic emergency’?
  At least that’s something we can do something about by pulling the right levers.
  
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  July 4, 2019 2:26pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Right on. I’m sure climate change will become evident over the next 10 years when a serious long term cooling emerges. Ask the Sun what it’s up too?
    
    The economic emergency has been growing for some time. The real emergency is the present COL are so self sufficient as to be their own advisors, are clueless and have too much power to cause further damage from ineptitude.
    
    In commercial terms the COL would be regarded as a fraud in their pretense of competence. Not knowing they don’t know their inability to execute the high office gained is no excuse.
    
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    July 4, 2019 3:21pm
    - stephieboy
      
      “Ask the Sun what it’s up to “?
      
      “The sun’s energy has decreased since the 1980s but the Earth keeps warming faster than before.”
      
      Cimate myth
      
      It’s the sun
      
      “Over the past few hundred years, there has been a steady increase in the numbers of sunspots, at the time when the Earth has been getting warmer. The data suggests solar activity is influencing the global climate causing the world to get warmer.” (BBC)
      
      Over the last 35 years the sun has shown a cooling trend. However global temperatures continue to increase. If the sun’s energy is decreasing while the Earth is warming, then the sun can’t be the main control of the temperature….”
      
      https://skepticalscience.com/solar-activity-sunspots-global-warming.htm
      
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      July 4, 2019 5:01pm
      - alloytoo
        
        “However global temperatures continue to increase.”
        
        No they haven’t.
        
        And oceans aren’t rising at increased rates and and there hasn’t been an increase in extreme weather events.
        
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        July 4, 2019 6:06pm
      - Inandout
        
        BBC and our Stuff are of a similar ilk, and the cooling of the sun is pure crap. It will however die out in about 5 billion years. Better you worry about the tons of waste crap circling our planet.
        
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        July 4, 2019 6:14pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        You need to get your science from elsewhere. Even NASA are commenting on a solar minimum. The likelyhood of a grand one that allowed ice skating on the Thames is under active consideration.
        
        Global temperatures rise when thermometers are located on airport runways. Look to UHC sattelite data for a more reliable measure.
        
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        July 4, 2019 8:08pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        The sun cooling is shown as less or, presently, no sunspots. These are large energy bursts which interact with our magnetosphere and upper atmosphere. The cosmic rays accompanying affect cloud formation so our global cloud cover is sometimes reduced. That means a greater heat loss into space and an overall small measurable cooling or vice versa.
        
        Weather we always have. The rules change from time to time. Also in current view, is the prospect of the earth flipping the magnetic poles.
        
        The alarmism about sea levels is close to criminal considering the proven levels over a very long time. Adapting to a 30cm change in a century is not catastrophic. What is perceived as a rise is frequently the earth sinking or for some coral atolls the locals have been eating the fish which grind up coral which form their islands.
        
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        July 4, 2019 8:27pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        The Suns not cooling
        There’s no Sun spot activity- which means (as Kev says) it affects our ability to retain heat.
        We’re cooling. But the Sun isn’t.
        
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        July 4, 2019 9:33pm
- gorse
  
  Probably Peter’s new nickname – “red tape”
  
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  July 4, 2019 4:56pm
stinkypete

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/113941862/homophobic-attack-on-gay-couple-followed-by-road-rage-assault-in-queenstown

the attacker was also gay so how can this be a homophobic attack
so when someone beats up another straight man is he a heterophobe…
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July 4, 2019 12:18pm
Maggie Pie

Where’s Archie?
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July 4, 2019 12:22pm
Captain Mainwaring

Yet another roading project started by National for which the ‘King of Northland’ will take the credit.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/northland/113981723/northlands-31m-matakohe-bridges-project-on-sh12-replaces-dangerous-bridge
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July 4, 2019 1:16pm
- Paulus Gnome
  
  The constant is, the Champignon of the Regions is still a wanker.
  
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  July 4, 2019 2:56pm
Jack5

Michael Reddell makes good points today on the conflict between the population and “global warming” policies of both Labour and National.

At:

http://www.croakingcassandra.com
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July 4, 2019 1:36pm
Jack5

West Coast dairy farmers have overwhelmingly voted to sell their poorly performing co-operative to a Chinese buyer.

As long as they don’t ask for State help in the likely dairy farming downturn ahead.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/alert-top/393629/sale-of-westland-milk-products-approved-by-shareholders
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July 4, 2019 2:05pm
- kevn
  
  @Jack5… I imagine the Chinese buyers have a plan. A very good plan, looking at the premium paid for these shares. Guaranteed to secure a deal.
  In time everyone will see and wonder why they didn’t see the opportunity.
  A long game to be sure.
  I’m not sure what it could be however.
  
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  July 4, 2019 5:37pm
  - gravedodger
    
    How will the new Lestmilk force suppliers to supply?
    Fonterra ran tankers North from Central through the Haast Pass while the Waiho bridge was MIA to collect the milk south of Fox, was that altruism or a shot across the bows of Westmilk and any intending purchaser.
    
    Assuming client loyalty is a business fallacy that has seen many farm connected business disasters when the Farmers do not do what is assumed.
    
    The only clients of rural based service companies unable to be coerced are those “tied” financially and with the payout of shares by the Chinese I would assume Fonterra and Synlait might be about to get involved on the West Coast
    
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    July 5, 2019 3:06pm
Rich Prick

Those cheap motels will be filling up fast, I wonder what discount Cindy and Phil get?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/113975218/family-with-new-baby-evicted-after-asking-when-their-auckland-rental-property-would-be-insulated
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July 4, 2019 2:29pm
- WaveyDavey
  
  F*ckwitted “Millennial Issues Reporter” it’s not an eviction it’s being given notice as per the RTA
  
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  July 4, 2019 4:24pm
- Inandout
  
  Rich, not only cheap motels. I have heard on pretty good advice that a brand new motel in a Manawatu town has 3 permanent ‘homeless’ families in their units. Apparently the ‘no vacancy’ sign is on much of the time.
  
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  July 4, 2019 5:15pm
Lance

What clown just announced a drought in Auckland?
Great, it’s pissing down now.
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July 4, 2019 2:55pm
Prince

Sorry if this has already been discussed but Angry Andy is back…
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/393523/trespass-notice-an-act-of-lunacy-little
As expected Little has been a disaster as Treaty Claims minister. Of most concern though is the view of our old mate Tuariki Delamare, who has strong connections to the Coalition Govt, through NZ First.
“In these days of worldwide terrorism threat, to have someone drive up on a ministerial car and cut them off is totally inappropriate. We’re not that far from a situation where ministers could well have armed police with them and you could have a shooting match.”

I guess this is no surprise after Gohlriz’s posturing, and Little’s ongoing anger management issues. But cabinet ministers having armed escorts is a million miles away from the New Zealand I want (or Aotearoa we are now required to call it).
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July 4, 2019 3:07pm
wreck1080

So , Tauranga are building a flyover bridge at bayfair.

This is one of the busiest spots in the entire Western bay of plenty, so you’d think they’d build a suitable 4 lane bridge.

But no, they made it 2 lanes. So, the large volume traffic coming in and out of tauranga on the existing dual 2 lanes either side, will have to merge into one lane.

Designers realise the f****ed it up completely, on this very expensive project.

So, they’re making a last minute change to add one lane and create a tidal flow system.

Still gonna suck. Why do road designers lack brains?

This just adds to a long list of road design debacles in tauranga. Like the welcome bay upgrade, where they had to close a road to protect extreme danger to cyclists on the new road design. And greerton, where the roading changes caused kilometre plus traffic backlogs.
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July 4, 2019 3:38pm
- rouppe
  
  Don’t worry, they plan to do the same at Porirua.
  
  When transmission Gully opens, they plan to demolish one of the bridges at Paremata effectively creating a bottleneck of 4 lanes into 2 right there.
  
  Never mind that there are 4 lanes to that point, that it takes effort and money to remove what’s there, and the transit lane system provides for 2 lanes of traffic in the heavy direction through mana, and that there are 4 lanes all the way to pukerua Bay.
  
  Morons are everywhere
  
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  July 4, 2019 5:08pm
- kevn
  
  @wreck… Tga is a mini Akld.
  
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  July 4, 2019 5:17pm
Maggie Pie

My partners mum txts:

Whats brown and runny?
Usain Bolt.

LOL!!!
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July 4, 2019 4:13pm
- stephieboy
  
  Maggie Pie, you and your partner’s mum seem to associate with some real purile sickos!.
  
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  July 4, 2019 5:04pm
  - WaveyDavey
    
    Well there’s you of course…
    
    psst… It’s puerile btw, from the Latin. Happy to help.
    
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    July 4, 2019 5:40pm
  - stigie
    
    And we associate you with…………
    
    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTdBSq4xfbA5HwR_cDH1DOG8BUex4-1IfFp4x33gWgtqG5QNvIb
    
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    July 4, 2019 5:44pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    You’ll probaly like this one as well then steph –
    
    Whats pink and rusty?
    Madeleine McCann’s bike.
    
    🙂 🙂
    
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    July 4, 2019 7:12pm
Swifty

Labour buying Maori votes with taxpayer money:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/113998580/12m-to-make-marae-disasterready

BTW, has Nanaia got one of those great big bellies that protude underneath her beltline? If so, that’s so unfortunate in one who purports to be a role model.

Some example.

For goodness sake woman, lose the weight. You’ll live longer.
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July 4, 2019 5:49pm
- WaveyDavey
  
  Bloody colonisation making it impossible to say no to KFC. Evil white conspiracy.
  
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  July 4, 2019 6:38pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  Nanaia’s weight goes with her rank.
  
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  July 4, 2019 8:00pm
- freethinker
  
  Nanaia is getting into condition to stand in for her cousin Tane in case he suffers Kauri dieback.
  
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  July 5, 2019 8:20am
Maggie Pie

True dat! We aint the only ones tho steph – i’ve even seen the odd person up-tick a few of your comments 🙂
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July 4, 2019 5:54pm
- sooty
  
  Not many though!
  Maybe three per year!
  So yes stephie, there is some!
  What you need is some love at St Albans!
  
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  July 4, 2019 6:43pm
rightoverlabour

More fucking Bullshit from Stuff

https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/114005845/zero-carbon-bill-why-the-next-decade-is-crucial-for-a-safe-climate
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July 4, 2019 6:24pm
- Kabull
  
  Absolute rubbish. The amount of CO2 in the atmosphere is infinitesimal, and CO2 is essential for plant life. NOTHING we (mankind) do will significantly affect the level of CO2- and the atmosphere can cope with much higher levels than currently exist.
  
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  July 4, 2019 8:41pm
stinkypete

Unbelievably stupid photo op from
Nash showing off his gun crushing machine
Not a thought for the effect on the thousands of us who are expected to turn up to his gun buyback fairs
I’m pretty sure this will firm up a full boycott
Most of my friends are waiting for the dealers or a cop shop in December
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July 4, 2019 6:49pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Why the hell wouldn’t the guns collected be sold overseas in (eg) US or Africa to recoup some costs? Does taxpayer money really mean so little to them or are they just fucking idiots?
  
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  July 4, 2019 8:23pm
- Rich Prick
  
  Do we get a punch in the face once dis-armed? I’m starting to get that feeling.
  
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  July 4, 2019 11:00pm
rouppe

I wonder if converting the action to bolt action means the firearm is no longer prohibited…
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July 4, 2019 8:34pm
- cmm
  
  Interesting.
  
  I suppose it will depend on the interpretation of the law, especially if it is an easy-to-reverse modification – which this is.
  
  I suppose if you got rid of the semi-auto bolt and disabled the gas chamber (so that the rifle could not be changed back into a a semi-auto) you might be on slightly more solid ground.
  
  But what a shit bolt rifle. Rather put the money into a good bolt gun.
  
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  July 5, 2019 6:06am
BrownSnake

God Bless America

That Dumped the Corrupt useless
backward primitive British System that

NZ and Aus

Pretend is Government
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