General Debate 31 July 2019

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Tony Stuart

Stock up the woodbox folks; global warming is about to take a pause for a few days! Winter weather in July; who’d have ever thunk it?
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July 31, 2019 8:02am
- wreck1080
  
  According to my energy bill, this is the warmest winter to date. Our last months power bill was $380, last years for the same month was up around $650 (dear architect:underfloor heating is NOT efficient!).
  
  Last night, I used the air-conditioning in our movie room as the heat from the projector over heated the room.
  
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  July 31, 2019 8:12am
  - srylands
    
    Yes will be interesting to see the data for July. We have had no brutal cold snaps and the one on the way is pretty moderate.
    
    I recently moved into a new townhouse. Top insulation and double glazing and a heat pump. My power bill is about $5 per day.
    
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    July 31, 2019 8:30am
    - pdm
      
      Thats pretty good srylands – our last bill with four people in a two bedroomed unit was about $320. Will be interested to see what the one due any day is.
      
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      July 31, 2019 9:59am
  - Chris2
    
    Ardern’s $4 million junket to Tokolau, using an RNZN navy vessel could have paid for an awful lot of Parliamentary questions to be asked, thereby enhancing democracy and Government accountability.
    
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    July 31, 2019 8:50am
    - jonnycomelately
      
      Hi Dad I have bought the family over to celebrate my birthday with you. It only took a RNZAF Jet, Helicopter and and a Frigate. Shame most of the Tokelau people are living in NZ and there only just over a 1000 people to great me. Well must get back to NZ and tell everyone that they must get rid of their petrol cars haha
      
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      July 31, 2019 6:17pm
  - burt
    
    So being environmentally conscious you burned up some electricity to cool down the room heated up by burning up electricity. You must be proud of your green credentials.
    
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    July 31, 2019 8:53am
  - Martin Williams
    
    Indeed. I’ve had to drop the temperature of my horizon pool to a chilly 29 degrees!
    
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    July 31, 2019 9:16am
  - freethinker
    
    Electric underfloor heating is effecive but not efficient although nigh rate power helps. Hot water underfloor heating powered by a heat pump is efficient – Day rate say 30c heat pump delivers 4-1 so effective price is 7.5c and night rate at 12c effective 3c and the concrete floor acts as storage battery.
    
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    July 31, 2019 9:49am
    - Ruawai
      
      Our diesel burner for hot water and radiators is very efficient.
      
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      July 31, 2019 1:06pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Terrible economics. Diesel costs about $0.16 per kWh of heat at the moment. But diesel heaters are at best about 90% efficient. Call it $0.018/kWh for heating. Barely beats electric resistance heating.
        
        Heat pumps will do about 1/3 to 1/5 of electricity cost, so between about $0.04 and $0.1/kWh depending on what you pay and how cold it is.
        
        Natural gas is good too, about $0.07/kWh if you have it reticulated to your home.
        
        Propane is even more expensive than diesel.
        
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        July 31, 2019 4:26pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Movie room FFS.
    I don’t even have a man cave.
    Time you paid a shitload more tax you rich prick.
    
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    July 31, 2019 8:38pm
artemisia

Apparently the cost of answering a Parliamentary Written Question is $100. According to Minister Tracey Martin. Ms Collins has asked in WQ 28126 how this was calculated. Specifically the exact mathematical equation. (Good luck with that.)

Answer from Minister Martin awaited with interest.
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July 31, 2019 8:06am
- slightlyrighty
  
  This is the business of a parliamentary democracy. Ms Collins is doing her job. Is Tracey Martin?
  
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  July 31, 2019 8:19am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Too true. I recall a minister (Bradford?) trying this in the 1990s.
    Of course it takes resources to answer PQs, OIAs, letters to ministers, etc. But any cost per item can only be notional and the underlying, insulting, message is “your questions are not worth answering”.
    
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    July 31, 2019 8:35am
    - burt
      
      The current government is saving us a fortune by simply not answering.
      
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      July 31, 2019 10:19am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        How generous of them, almost like they are pretending to care about spending tax payers money.
        
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        July 31, 2019 4:27pm
  - artemisia
    
    Minister Martin has perhaps worked out that answering written questions is cheaper than being open and transparent.
    
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    July 31, 2019 8:40am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    No
    
    There is no way to embellish this answer to you question
    
    Thank you for playing
    
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    July 31, 2019 8:41am
  - artemisia
    
    Dozens of overdue replies to Written Questions, and almost all are to the various housing ministers.
    
    With 3 ministers covering the portfolios perhaps they are scrapping about who is responsible for what.
    
    I expect there will be a complaint to the Speaker any minute now.
    
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    July 31, 2019 9:26am
- alloytoo
  
  It may have an accounting cost, but it’s a fixed cost and with a labour government it’s better they answer questions than actually formulate policy.
  
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  July 31, 2019 8:55am
Rob2

Should this guy ever be released?
Why hasn’t 3 strikes put him away forever?
Marcel Sydney Geros avoids jail for trying to kidnap Christchurch jogger
David Clarkson17:13, Jul 30 2019

A judge says he expects a public backlash after releasing a violent offender on intensive supervision for trying to kidnap a woman who was jogging in the street.

“No doubt there will be letters to the editor demanding my resignation,” Christchurch District Court Judge Raoul Neave said at Tuesday’s sentencing. “It won’t be the first time and it won’t be the last.”
Judge Raoul Neave.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/114615933/marcel-sydney-geros-convicted-of-trying-to-kidnap-jogger-on-christchurch-street

So the judge has been conned and can’t see it so has decided to let this piece of shit out to offend again till he kills.
Wonder what Mr Garret can tell us about him?
https://ysb.co.nz/have-your-say-110/
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July 31, 2019 8:10am
- G152
  
  The judge should have the perp live in his house.
  That would change that mindset
  
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  July 31, 2019 8:21am
  - igm
    
    Also sharing his “wellbeing” should apply to Ardern, Little, Davis, and all the other Labour/Green sycophants who have gone soft on criminals.
    Hopefully when this cretin reoffends he will directly impact on one of the above mentioned.
    
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    July 31, 2019 8:29am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    yep the judiciary impose massive cost and damage onto the public. They are sympathetic to the perps bought before them rather than the distant general public.
    
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    July 31, 2019 8:39am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      I should also say that judges and bleeding heart SJW campaigners and politicians don’t live anywhere near the suburbs/communities that the miscreants they release wreak their damage upon.
      
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      July 31, 2019 9:14am
  - MH
    
    naive or PM’s babe ?
    
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    July 31, 2019 11:24am
- WaveyDavey
  
  Maybe read the story in full?
  
  ” After spending 10 months in custody on remand, Marcel Sydney Gero would have been eligible to apply for release soon if a prison term had been imposed. The intensive supervision sentence will enable him to be closely monitored for the next two years.”
  
  So the judge’s options were to had out a sentence and watch him walk free with no monitoring or what he handed down.
  
  No it’s not perfect, but it was the least-worst option.
  
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  July 31, 2019 8:54am
  - Tall Man
    
    Or he could be given the maximum sentence possible after the police correctly charged him and he could then appeal.
    
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    July 31, 2019 9:25am
  - backster
    
    Bullshit…I am sure the crimes alleged carried long maximum sentences and preventative detention could be a consideration. Why no mention of victim impact?. Only a deluded fool would give any credence to the promise of turning his life around.
    
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    July 31, 2019 9:26am
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    It depends on the length of the prison term the judge would have imposed. Attempted kidnapping by someone with his record ought to be 10 years not 10 months.
    
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    July 31, 2019 9:39am
  - Colville
    
    I read it and re read it.
    Sounds like the J wanted to give the guy a crack at being decent so took a risk.
    
    People do turn their lives around, so lets hope there is a happy ending to this.
    
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    July 31, 2019 9:41am
    - JibberJabber
      
      Except it`s not the dudge taking the risk, it`s the unsuspecting public that are entered into the Risk Lottery of encountering this rabid feral against their will.
      
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      July 31, 2019 10:32am
  - wreck1080
    
    Did you read what Geros did?
    
    Geros was armed with a box-cutter knife when he attacked and injured the woman while she was jogging at the Ray Blank Park entrance on Maidstone Rd, Ilam, about 5.50am
    A judge says he expects a public backlash after releasing a violent offender on intensive supervision for trying to kidnap a woman who was jogging in the street.
    
    We all know what Geros was going to do had he not been stopped, rape and/or murder!
    
    Reminds me of the nutty kiwi Troy Skinner who tried to kidnap a girl in the Virginia USA…
    
    https://wtvr.com/2019/02/06/new-zealand-man-indicted-on-federal-child-porn-kidnapping-charges-involving-goochland-teen/
    
    If convicted of the kidnapping/attempted kidnapping, he faces a mandatory minimum of 25 years in prison and a maximum of life.
    
    In both cases, the kidnapping was thwarted. But, very different sentencing laws! In New Zealand , the sentence is around 1 year… in the USA, the sentence is minimum 25 years to life!
    
    The NZ judge is still a moron! Any self respectable judge would resign in protest of our horribly low sentences for such vicious criminals.
    
    Geros is going to be in the news again.Hopefully it is not for murder!
    
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    July 31, 2019 9:53am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      It’s ok, his next victim (let’s face it there will almost certainly be one) will probably be from a poor part of town, so not worthy of concern from judges or Coalition MP’s
      
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      July 31, 2019 4:30pm
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    the guy is a recidivist molester. Why shouldnt he be locked away. Look at him, do those Tats say this is a safe and responsible member of society?
    
    Or do they say scumbag gangster, who if we let him out is going to rape and hurt people?
    
    Your call Mr District Court Judge, hopefully your wife and daughters live in a safe and leafy suburb. Personally I am good with locking up.
    
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    July 31, 2019 7:49pm
- JibberJabber
  
  A classic example of how dudges and the legal system is out of touch with reality and the victims of crime.
  Raoul and his buddy Marcel et al, leave a bloody trail of victims in their wake and a cowardly political system does nothing to ensure the safety of law-abiding citizens.
  #bloodontheirhands
  
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  July 31, 2019 9:55am
  - MH
    
    even Aussie rugby league refs get demoted…
    
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    July 31, 2019 11:26am
    - Paulus
      
      Only for one game to a junior match.
      Then back to the collecting box.
      
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      July 31, 2019 2:11pm
- BananaLlama
  
  “It won’t be the first time and it won’t be the last.”
  I hope National push Mandatory sentencing.
  
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  July 31, 2019 10:31am
  - Jack5
    
    Weird court sentences in Canterbury …
    
    Christchurch justice is so nutty that citizens would be far safer if they could legally carry pistols.
    
    The Geros hand-tap comes after a Muslim teenager was sentenced to supervision – which led to golf lessons – after he was caught in advanced in planning for a knife and car massacre of Christchurch citizens in February last year.
    
    That was a similar sentence to that imposed today on a man (I think Maori) who, wearing a Trump t-shirt yelled offensive anti-Muslim messages outside a Christchurch mosque a month after the shootings.
    
    The judge said in sentencing the yeller today that he was confident the “Muslim community will accept a supervision sentence imposed on a man with psychological issues.”
    
    In the meantime, if you live in Christchurch look at this picture of Geros so you can stay out of his way:
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/114615933/marcel-sydney-geros-convicted-of-trying-to-kidnap-jogger-on-christchurch-street
    
    Mosque abuse incident sentence today:
    
    https://courtnews.co.nz/2019/07/31/supervision-term-for-mosque-abuser/
    
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    July 31, 2019 12:10pm
Paulus Gnome

Not too chill in Tokelau I would think and, plenty of hot water to be in when one gets home (with party bag and a piece of daddy’s birthday cake wrapped in a paper napkin)
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July 31, 2019 8:11am
- hullkiwi
  
  Yes, and it seems CoL ministers and spinmeisters are getting sensitive to comments that Jacinda is a part time PM. Accusing Bridges of dog whistling because she is a new mother etc.
  
  Robertson, that is B******t. It is because she is absent from the house on a regular basis. Is more keen on glib media appearances than front footing issues as the Prime Minister. And for the benefit of the Labour troll, Robertson, Labour spinmeisters and Corrin Dann – what Bridges accused Jacinda of being, she has been since she took office, it pre-dates her pregnancy and the birth of Neve, so it is not new. You just have to read KB to see how many times this exact point has been made.
  
  Then you get her unwillingness/inability to answer media questions, that only confirms what a part time PM she is.
  
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  July 31, 2019 8:34am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    If you compare our PM with the other PM who had a baby whilst in Office…PM Bhutto, then it does look like we’ve got the part-time PM.
    
    Bhutto was back at work the day after a Caesarean section.
    https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1002989/ardern-bhutto-prime-ministers-who-gave-birth-while-in-office-30-years-apart
    
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    July 31, 2019 9:43am
  - freethinker
    
    I think some sympathy should be given to dear leader as following an appointment with an eminent psychiatrist she consulted over stress and brain farts she was advised that the problem was the left side of her brain had nothing right and the right side had nothing left.
    
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    July 31, 2019 9:59am
  - Overworked
    
    No other new mother (how old is this kid? One? It’s a toddler, not a baby) gets to work part-time and when she feels like it while taking home a full time salary for her position. Nor would most of them on principle.
    
    I am beginning to think Jacinda’s parents didn’t do a very good job with the ethical instruction.
    
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    July 31, 2019 11:58am
    - Tall Man
      
      We have a mother with a youngster working for us.
      
      She works part time and we are flexible as she is a great person and a very competent woman.
      
      I think ardern has probably never worked full time her whole life and is literally incapable of sustained effort.
      
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      July 31, 2019 2:56pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  But is anyone else going to claim Tokelauans are not ‘everyday New Zealanders’?
  
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  July 31, 2019 8:37am
  - Tall Man
    
    The ones here are, the ones living on our charity over there not so much.
    
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    July 31, 2019 9:26am
    - burt
      
      The left will argue that only the ones living on our charity are true New Zealanders.
      
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      July 31, 2019 10:48am
      - MH
        
        I need a good Muttley the dog laugh there…..failing that a macron will do.
        
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        July 31, 2019 11:28am
  - hullkiwi
    
    That comment is irrelevant. She and all parliamentarians had a 3 week recess. She chose to go to the Cook Islands and Australia during the recess. She goes to Tokelau after the recess for daddy’s birthday, government business?
    
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    July 31, 2019 9:39am
    - MH
      
      I see it as a show of force, NZ imperialism on display. Sending a clear signal that by sending a gunboat backed up with my dad will deal with you a la Hong Kong style, those Tokenlayons won’t want and don’t want to loose their benefits to unjustified demands by local insurgents advocating separate development and desalinization. Mark my words, Macronesia will not happen under Adjourn’s watch.
      
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      July 31, 2019 2:43pm
  - rockape
    
    Dont “every day New zealanders “vote and pay taxes here?
    
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    July 31, 2019 9:48am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Tokelau is part of New Zealand.
      
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      July 31, 2019 11:31am
  - freethinker
    
    Cindy had the 3 week recess to visit her Dad in Tokelau. The definition in employment terms of part time is less than 30 hours a week, I suspect on average her house attendance has much less.
    
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    July 31, 2019 10:01am
  - Than
    
    Given that the islands are more than a day’s travel away, aren’t they pretty well literally not “everyday” New Zealanders? I mean, its not possible to see a person on Tokelau and a person on another New Zealand island in the same day.
    
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    July 31, 2019 1:54pm
  - Hard Cheese
    
    They’re New Zealanders, but they’re not *everyday* New Zealanders. They live on a fucking island two days away by boat from the nearest city. The fat controller being disingenuous as usual.
    
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    July 31, 2019 6:57pm
- Paulus
  
  Not Dad’s birthday but Cinderellas.
  School children sang Happy Birthday to her too.
  
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  July 31, 2019 2:12pm
srylands

“High-emitting NZ health sector urged to cut back on carbon”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/114604444/highemitting-nz-health-sector-urged-to-cut-back-on-carbon

“Suggestions included using electric vehicles, switching to reusable medical instruments instead of disposables where appropriate, sourcing locally, and measuring and reducing the energy use of all health facilities.”

The problem is that these directives will cost money. Hospitals generally use fleets of small cars to run around town to collect blood samples etc. Switching to electric vehicles will not be cost effective (otherwise they would do it without being told). That will mean less money for other things, like elective surgeries.
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July 31, 2019 8:15am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  And you will have to pack your own supply of meat pies and bottles of milk if you are in for a hospital stay.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/114604444/highemitting-nz-health-sector-urged-to-cut-back-on-carbon
  
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  July 31, 2019 8:42am
  - Simon
    
    The largest power producers in China have asked the government to allow for the development of between 300 and 500 new coal power plants by 2030 in a move that could single-handedly jeopardise global climate change targets.
    
    https://unearthed.greenpeace.org/2019/03/28/china-new-coal-plants-2030-climate/
    
    Relax its all bull shit. Electric car just another waste, and with the child slave labour conditions in Africa for mining electric car components its a disgrace. If you choose to drive or ride in an electric car you are a piece of shit.
    
    China and its coal plant expansion will fuck any world wide carbon targets. So relax.
    
    Ardern said that climate change the nuclear issue of the current generation. But she was just so pleased to meet Xi recently she was fawning over the criminal turd. Forget her going on about climate change to this Xi turd. It meaningless.
    
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    July 31, 2019 9:02am
    - mikenmildagain
      
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      If you are actually worried about child slavery, give up chocolate.
      
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      July 31, 2019 9:21am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        I know there is “ethical faming” for cocoa bean production, but is there such a thing as “ethical cobalt mining” where child labor or other exploitation of workers is not permitted?
        
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        July 31, 2019 9:50am
      - MickMac
        
        yeah like you are mike.
        I notice you and your ilk like Stephie just ask questions here to put down people.
        In fact that’s all you do, is put down people.
        
        I understand now why others treat you with rudeness and invective.
        
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        July 31, 2019 10:05am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Sorry MickMac, but I doubt Simon and other concern trolls are actually worried about labour conditions for cobalt miners – it’s just a club with which to hit advocates for electric cars.
        Otherwise, he would be giving up using any product that contains cobalt, in the same way that other concern trolls claim that anyone worried about climate change should refuse to fly in aeroplanes, drive cars, etc, etc.
        
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        July 31, 2019 11:35am
    - projectman
      
      Ardern has it wrong. Nuclear power is the climate change answer for the current generation and beyond.
      
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      July 31, 2019 11:10am
    - MH
      
      and yet she still is fracking Trump ?
      
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      July 31, 2019 11:32am
- alloytoo
  
  These directives will cost lives.
  
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  July 31, 2019 8:57am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Every trade-off ‘costs lives’. The calculations are complex and might just possibly justify a reduction in near-term welfare to provide for long-term welfare.
    
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    July 31, 2019 9:24am
    - alloytoo
      
      This isn’t a trade off of limited resources.
      
      This is simply throwing money into a bottomless pit.
      
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      July 31, 2019 1:23pm
      - mikenmildagain
        
        According to you.
        
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        July 31, 2019 1:52pm
- Colville
  
  Hospitals are going to be serious carbon emitters when they start having to use imported coal to fire their boilers after the gas runs out!
  
  Thanks Cindy!
  
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  July 31, 2019 9:47am
- slightlyrighty
  
  Electric Emergency vehicles should be a non starter.
  
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  July 31, 2019 9:53am
  - MH
    
    all roads should be made to have a downward gradient reducing these problems, and wait till Jones starts planting trees on the berms.
    
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    July 31, 2019 11:35am
    - sooty
      
      Emergency all towing trailers with generators!
      
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      July 31, 2019 6:51pm
- Fletch
  
  Years ago I used to know a guy whose company supplied ‘reusable’ instruments like heated scalpels etc, and often they would actually be sterilized and reused although they were not supposed to be. Dangerous stuff, really…
  
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  July 31, 2019 12:41pm
  - Fletch
    
    ps, I mean reused by the hospitals, and not the supplier.
    
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    July 31, 2019 12:57pm
Happychappy

Is it me or has Winston turned into a different person with good comments being made on Maori from him that we haven’t heard since he lost the Maori seats. Has this shallow Politician turned a new leaf or is it all about the vote and his members of NZ First that he seems to be losing daily.
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July 31, 2019 8:16am
- MrLovebucket
  
  I thought exactly the same thing yesterday.
  
  Nothing to do with the recent Polls of course. 🙂
  
  The man should never be trusted to follow through on his promises EVER AGAIN!!!
  
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  July 31, 2019 8:28am
- Tall Man
  
  No. He runs with the hares and hunts with the hounds. He will have no recollection today what he said yesterday, especially after a couple of “Nights in Bangkok” ………………..
  
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  July 31, 2019 8:30am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    You’re right, TM. Winston’s nature is to hate Red Radio and constantly attack the interviewers. He took a completely different line with Mike on ZB on the same topics a few minutes later. Interesting contrast.
    
    He’s uncomfortable with the PC crowd, but he’s decided to get them into power and now has to do some kind of crazy balancing act that hopefully most of his former voters can see through.
    
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    July 31, 2019 10:17am
    - Tall Man
      
      I think he is hoping his former voters can’t see through him actually.
      
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      July 31, 2019 2:57pm
- mikenmildagain
  
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  It is you. But it is nice to read a comment from a more happy chappie for a change.
  
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  July 31, 2019 8:43am
- alloytoo
  
  At some point Winston needs to turn on this government in order to distance himself from them for the next election.
  
  At precisely that point National should dismiss any possibility of doing business with him.
  
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  July 31, 2019 8:58am
  - Gravelroad
    
    Haha – soon there will be people on here urging the gullible to vote for Winston next time to “keep Labour honest.”
    
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    July 31, 2019 9:57am
- Albert_Ross
  
  He will say whatever he thinks will get him votes and he’s not fussy about where those votes come from. Wait long enough and eventually it will come round to be your turn to hear what you want to hear from him. Listen if you like, but also take a good hard look at what he has actually done, given many opportunities, to make a reality of his promises.
  
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  July 31, 2019 9:11am
- herb1
  
  Winston is realising that it’s all over for him , the end of an error
  
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  July 31, 2019 9:26am
  - Liberty
    
    We live in hope.
    
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    July 31, 2019 10:35am
    - sooty
      
      Herb1 that was a great pun!
      It went right overt he heads of most of these sorry arses!
      
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      July 31, 2019 6:56pm
- GoVege
  
  I dont care what his reasons may be.
  I’m sure he is the first Maori leader to speak up on the shocking rates of violence against Maori women and children.
  That’s good enough for me…
  
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  July 31, 2019 1:48pm
Skinny White Boy

Will [Deleted; Mod] be again leading the defense of the PTPM today in QT? Where’s Kelvin??
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July 31, 2019 8:17am
- Tall Man
  
  Come on mods…… try channeling a bit of Ricky Gervais and let a bit of abuse flow.
  
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  July 31, 2019 8:31am
- niggly
  
  Poor ol’ Robbo got worked up, accusing Simon Bridges of “sexism” first then of playing “dirty-politics Australian” style.
  
  No Robbo, apart from your self-projection and BS, Simon Bridges has a valid point which is Parliament just had a 3 week recess and Jacinda then takes off overseas.
  
  And Robbo is wrong yet again, there is absolutely no need for the Prime Minister to be visiting Tokelau at this point in time for a one-off visit when there are more pressing issues at home (and Jacinda already visited a number of Pacific Islands earlier in the year).
  
  The fact that she skipped most of the other Islands suggest this was not major trip, in fact Jacinda didn’t need to go, the trip could have been handled by the Deputy Labour Leader (Kelvin Davis) or the Deputy PM/Foreign Minister Winston Peters.
  
  Talking about Kelvin Davis, isn’t it interesting that he never gets to represent NZ at anything! Isn’t it also interesting that he generally never is in charge when Jacinda and Winston are away … for some reason the Finance and Sport Minister Grant Robertson is always in charge.
  
  Why is that, are Labour “racist” for never allowing Kelvin Davis to be in charge? Or is Robbo simply enforcing his “white privilege” over the “token Maori” Labour Deputy Leader? Not a good look Robbo and Labour!
  
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  July 31, 2019 8:51am
  - oldgolfer
    
    His smart-arse reply, an attempt to divert attention, and her trying to duck questions while away, indicates to me a government in meltdown.
    They are moths in a headlight.
    
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    July 31, 2019 9:16am
  - tf78
    
    I’m sure Jacinda wouldn’t have thought of going to Tokelau had her father not been there. She went for her birthday which, unfortunately is the same day as a proper ex Prime minister John Howard.
    
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    July 31, 2019 9:19am
    - kevn
      
      @tf… A rugged 3 day boat ride I gather, even crew were seasick.
      
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      July 31, 2019 9:43am
      - toby1845
        
        Sorry, but the crew weren’t seasick. I can absoludely assure you that they didn’t.
        
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        July 31, 2019 12:41pm
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        but but the media said it was so!
        
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        July 31, 2019 1:12pm
      - sooty
        
        The media would not tell us fibs!
        
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        July 31, 2019 7:00pm
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    Its pretty obvious that the strategy is to keep Jacinda away from anything hard or that involves thought. They will try and keep her doing victory laps of the World, and meeting every Primary School in the Country in between Womans Day photo shoots and the “First Wedding” ™.
    
    Heaven forbid she actually try and do any “leading” look what happens when she opens her mouth about the land process – foot straight in!
    
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    July 31, 2019 9:46am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Victory laps of the World and a pretty wedding.
      
      So they really are just treating her as a wee princess.
      
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      July 31, 2019 10:21am
- MickMac
  
  Trevor?
  
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  July 31, 2019 10:06am
- pdm
  
  Have a look at my post last evening at No Minister.
  
  I saw on the news that Kelvin Davies met with and addressed the Oranga Tamariki protestors at Parliament so he was on the premises.
  
  Who put him into Witless Protection?
  
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  July 31, 2019 10:07am
  - niggly
    
    Thanks have now done so, it was a good read (and some good comments there too)!
    
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    July 31, 2019 3:15pm
hullkiwi

On Monday, I was blessed by two letters from the IRD (oh bloody hell thinks me). Anyhow some of you may be aware the IRD are now doing end of year assessments on all PAYE taxpayers, and in my case they have written to me 3 times.

Anyhow my assessment came on Monday, and what a glorious surprise, I am getting a refund of $1.86. Letter no 2 received on Monday confirmed my refund and then asked me to complete a form so they could deposit the refund into a bank account. Speaking with colleagues I am not alone, with refunds ranging from $0.85 up to mine of $1.86.

Now to say I’m not grateful for a refund would be wrong, but WTF? Do these people not care how they spend taxpayers money? The amount of effort and cost for me to collect $1.86 is ridiculous. Why do they not save the taxpayers some money and put all refunds under $50 against a person’s future year’s account and cancel collecting all amounts owing under $50.

I have no idea how many taxpayers would have received such letters recently, but the administrative cost in this exercise must dwarf the amounts being collected and refunded.
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July 31, 2019 8:19am
- White Anglo Saxon Protestant
  
  I think I owed them 30¢, which they graciously wrote off.
  
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  July 31, 2019 8:29am
  - Biscuit
    
    Whew, White, my write-off was a whole 7c and I felt so bady that I was depriving Jass of my hard-earned.
    
    Good to know Im nowhere near the ‘worst’, ha.
    
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    July 31, 2019 9:25am
    - White Anglo Saxon Protestant
      
      It was 2012, I think when I received a cheque from them, for a similar amount….
      
      I was too embarrassed to cash it.
      
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      July 31, 2019 10:25am
  - toby1845
    
    I would have sent them a cheque for 30c, just so that someone would have to go and bank it.
    
    Or, alternatively, turn up at an IRD office with six 5 cent coins, and demand a paper receipt for my records.
    
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    July 31, 2019 12:42pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  I have all my business with IRD online, so my refund was calculated and the $1.80 or so paid with no fuss.
  IRD’s services have got steadily better. Whether that’s a good return for the $2 billion spend on new systems, I can’t say.
  
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  July 31, 2019 8:46am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    I thought you were a stalwart supporter of Big Government? These must be dark days indeed.
    
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    July 31, 2019 10:46am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      You haven’t been paying attnetion then.
      
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      July 31, 2019 11:36am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Attnetion? nice one.
        
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        July 31, 2019 4:36pm
    - Tall Man
      
      mikey supports no one, they are all targets for his acerbic comments, actually childish, I was thinking of being nice but then thought… fuck it.
      
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      July 31, 2019 3:00pm
- RalphT
  
  In my case the IRD wrote to me a couple of weeks after I lodged my return reminding me that it was due on the 8th (it was given to them on the 5th), followed up by another letter five days later confirming that I was getting a refund. Yesterday Mrs T got her reminder letter, which means that her refund should be through in a few days. How much is IRD wasting by these letters when if they kept better records they would know they had received the returns in good time.
  
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  July 31, 2019 8:52am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    You can choose to get all your letters from IRD electronically.
    
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    July 31, 2019 9:26am
    - jcuk
      
      Obviusly you want the post office to go bankrupt 🙂
      
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      July 31, 2019 4:37pm
  - Tall Man
    
    In our business we have gone almost 100% to email and online services.
    
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    July 31, 2019 9:35am
    - GoVege
      
      Thats why the cost of stamps has gone up!!!
      Not to mention posties put out of work..
      
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      July 31, 2019 1:50pm
      - Tall Man
        
        I know but at least they can retrain as a butcher although you’re doing your best to fuck that industry up.
        
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        July 31, 2019 2:58pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  It’s not all refunds. IRD have gone a little enthusiastic with tapayer communications. A new system is also dragging up amounts they claim are payable too for very distant past years –possibly statute barred.
  
  Assessments and client accounting have previously been separate. The new “bills” are suggesting hunger as provisional tax is being included in the amount payable, as if immediately, and scaring clients.
  
  Everything is also being at least charged interest if the computer determines the allocated payment and date is a whisker late.
  
  This officiousness may be badly visited on the COL. It has happened previously.
  
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  July 31, 2019 9:02am
- wreck1080
  
  I’m involved in the billings industry, and systems usually have minimum threshold parameters for sending out letters.
  
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  July 31, 2019 9:02am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Planet wrecker! all that unnecessary physical mail eating up trees and fossil fuels in delivery.
    
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    July 31, 2019 10:47am
    - Batman
      
      The number is letters is probably relatively small. The most likely recipients are probably, shall we say, advanced in age ?
      
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      July 31, 2019 1:57pm
    - MH
      
      what about all that EMR pulsating arounds us.
      
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      July 31, 2019 2:51pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    IRD were more circumspect previously. I suspect computer programmers have been a bit literal in implementing the new system.
    
    Now, for example, the system is remembering small amounts that were previously written off. Those that hadn’t got to that internal processing stage before the changeover are now being deducted or included.
    
    Amateur govt. again. The Minister had power to enable a blanket writeoff for the prior small leftovers. It could have been slipped in the annual tax Bill if considered necessary.
    
    An IRD that annoys taxpayers causes annoyance to the present govt.
    
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    July 31, 2019 1:21pm
- namron
  
  My letter from IRD said that I owed 95 cents, but they said I didn’t need to pay it!!
  [The letter and the postage to tell me this – which I didn’t need to know- would have cost more than 95 cents.]
  Hullkiwi, probably like me, you will be having a MAJOR celebration of gratefulness over this PM & Govt’s wonderful generosity!!
  
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  July 31, 2019 9:10am
- MCos
  
  A very sensible suggestion.
  However.
  You can be sure IRD would be recipients of a stream of abuse if they started telling people they would not be immediately refunding petty change.
  As it happens I had a letter indicating I owed them $3.26, which they were writing off!
  Cavalier bastards!
  Does Robertson know my taxes are effectively being used to give me a refund?
  
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  July 31, 2019 9:12am
- pdm
  
  hk – I got $1.00.
  
  Paid promptly to my bank account about 3 weeks ago.
  
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  July 31, 2019 10:08am
- Lizziep
  
  A lot I was very lucky and got $6.00. I figure it would have cost around $60 to sort through my PAYE, send the letters by post (who sends letters by post any more?) and pay the $6.00 Very kind and caring of the government ha ha but what a waste of money.
  
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  July 31, 2019 11:15am
  - Batman
    
    Lizzie, no human will have spent time going through your records.
    
    The system will have it stored against your number, calculate it all, and then automatically send you a letter (which is printed and enveloped by a machine) confirming whatever the outcome is.
    
    The only human contact will have been at NZ Post ?
    
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    July 31, 2019 2:00pm
Tony Stuart

An own goal from former Labour MP Sue Moroney yesterday. After Simon Bridges did a minor reshuffle following Nathan Guy’s resignation, she tweeted this:

Sue Moroney @suemoroney

Is there anyone who isn’t a middle-aged white male in this party? Doesn’t look like it with this reshuffle

There’s just one slight problem for Ms Moroney. Sure, National has seven middle-aged white males in its top 16 MP’s. But her party, Labour has no fewer than NINE! Big ups to Ms Moroney, in attempting to buy in to Grant Robertson’s sexism claim, for pointing that out.
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July 31, 2019 8:20am
- Rob2
  
  Stupisd is as stupid does.
  Morron-ey.
  
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  July 31, 2019 8:26am
- kowtow
  
  Our “woke” legacy media would never call out her ageist, racist , classist, misandry would they ?
  
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  July 31, 2019 8:29am
- Swifty
  
  Counting numbers was never her strong suit.
  
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  July 31, 2019 8:34am
- sooty
  
  Yep. That’s our Sue!
  Chewing shoe leather!
  Be better for her than pies!
  
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  July 31, 2019 8:42am
- Surely Knott
  
  Penny Hulse also makes this nasty, obnoxious stereotyping, race-based, ageist comment in the Spinoff , “At the heart of Hulse’s message is a call for change in what the council looks like. She wants more women, more young people and a greater diversity of ethnicity and culture to be represented. She’s unapologetic in her view that male, stale and pale councillors can no longer claim to truly represent the diversity of Auckland City.” And the irony being that Labour’s candidates they are running to replace her in West Auckland – two middle aged white males who are part of the existing political establishment.
  
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  July 31, 2019 8:43am
  - rockape
    
    How about we act like a democracy and just let voters decide who is elected. Maybe Penny could stand down for a Maori!
    
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    July 31, 2019 11:30am
- Chris2
  
  Moroney is still bitter with herself at having decided not to stand again at the last election. She knows she would be a Cabinet Minister right now if she hadn’t jumped ship.
  
  Metiria Turei will be thinking likewise, but at least she keeps her mouth shut. Anyone know what this woman does now?
  
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  July 31, 2019 9:03am
  - tf78
    
    Maroney is CEO of the national organisation for Community Law Centres.
    
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    July 31, 2019 9:27am
  - igm
    
    Has she repaid the money she stole, plus accumulated costs, etc?
    
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    July 31, 2019 9:31am
  - Biscuit
    
    I checked, Chris2.
    
    Ms Turei’s Twitter account (I won;t bother linking you!) has had 16.5k posts made by her.
    
    But none since 19 December 2017.
    
    Her Instagram account, still operational, has 67 entries and, laughably, describes her as ‘Artist, Researcher’.
    
    I can think of way shorter, and far more accurate, terms…
    
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    July 31, 2019 9:33am
  - Swifty
    
    Wasn’t Moroney given an unwinnable list possie?
    
    I forget now.
    
    I thought she chucked in the towel in a fit of pique as a result of her 2017 list demotion.
    
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    July 31, 2019 9:50am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Last year she was doing a course at the Dunedin School of Art and exhibiting some of her work.
    
    https://thespinoff.co.nz/atea/03-10-2018/metiria-turei-beyond-politics/
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eys-9X_l4LI
    
    (She has always been good/gifted at Crochet)
    
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    July 31, 2019 9:55am
    - rockape
      
      I hope she is paying income tax if she sells anything
      
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      July 31, 2019 11:32am
- Ruahine
  
  Why is it that no one in the Labour Party is able to count using simple arithmetic. We get examples all the time of their incompetence.
  The best one is still of Hipkin’s inability to count when the present Speaker Mallard was being voted for by the House. Hipkins is an ex schoolteacher and now Minister of Edukashun. It is no wonder they just waste money so easily.
  
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  July 31, 2019 9:17am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Hipkins is an ex schoolteacher
    Not as far as I know.
    
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    July 31, 2019 9:57am
    - tf78
      
      Hipkins’ mother was a school teacher.
      
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      July 31, 2019 10:11am
    - Inandout
      
      Chippy has a typical Labour work history.
      
      ‘After graduating, Hipkins held a number of jobs, including working as a policy advisor for the Industry Training Federation, and as a training manager for Todd Energy in Taranaki. Hipkins also worked in Parliament as an advisor to Trevor Mallard and Helen Clark’.
      
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      July 31, 2019 10:12am
    - Ruahine
      
      I stand corrected.
      
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      July 31, 2019 11:24am
    - Tall Man
      
      Snap…..
      
      Delete doesn’t work for me.
      
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      July 31, 2019 2:48pm
- The Feed
  
  middle-aged white male
  
  So what if there is, anyway? If they are capable, they should be there.
  
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  July 31, 2019 10:36am
G152

Noticed Robertson ( a white gay ) claiming the leader of the National Party is racist..
And there I was knowing that he is part Maori and as we know therefor not racist.
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July 31, 2019 8:26am
Scooter

Does anyone know who was the woman who gave the death stare and will she now have to find her own way back home.
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July 31, 2019 8:28am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Now making an appearance as burley in a fishing show being made at the same time as the birthday visit
  
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  July 31, 2019 9:21am
  - Tarquin North
    
    She isn’t that attractive Paulus, What we saw there was a rare example of the mask slipping and the real face of Labour popping out. Expect more of this as the pressure mounts.
    
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    July 31, 2019 9:47am
- Tall Man
  
  I saw the video has been censored on another article and the “death stare” is gone.
  
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  July 31, 2019 9:46am
  - Joely Doe
    
    The internet never forgets…
    Death Stare
    
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    July 31, 2019 2:34pm
- Twinkletoes
  
  Don’t know who she is but Mathew Hooten mentioned on Twitter that she is a personal friend of his.
  
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  July 31, 2019 3:12pm
Than

The cult of Lowering-Your-Carbon-Emissions now has its own sacred cooking rituals!

I assume restaurants will start offering these on their menus, alongside the vegan, halal, and kosher options.
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July 31, 2019 8:31am
White Anglo Saxon Protestant

Genuine question carried over from yesterday:
Exactly where does PriNZess Cindy personally try to prevent the media from asking questions about Ihumātao?
Is it an instruction by text?
is it some nefarious threat?

Or is this another shining example of the quality of our MSM?
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July 31, 2019 8:42am
- Tall Man
  
  Genuine reply… try google…..
  
  “Yesterday Newshub reported that Ardern had tried to prevent media in Tokelau from asking about the Ihumātao dispute, and her staff had threatened to restrict access to Ardern if they did.”
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/07/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-tried-to-prevent-media-asking-about-ihuma-tao.html
  
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  July 31, 2019 9:50am
  - White Anglo Saxon Protestant
    
    No need to go LMGTFY Tall Man. As I said yesterday, I’ve watched that clip several times, and no evidence is given for the claim: Jacinda Ardern has personally tried to prevent media from asking about the Ihumātao dispute while on a charm offensive in the Pacific.
    
    It’s just an unsubstantiated statement made by O’Brien from what I can see.
    
    I would like there to be something solid for National/Seymour to pick away at.
    
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    July 31, 2019 10:32am
Tall Man

Posted by me on YSB.

“I just looked at the Newshub article in Simon calling ardern a part timer.

The video of the Tokelau interview has been edited to remove the “Death Stare”. Is that not censorship?”
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July 31, 2019 8:49am
- Joely Doe
  
  The internet never forgets…
  Death Stare
  
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  July 31, 2019 2:35pm
  - White Anglo Saxon Protestant
    
    That woman may well become internet famous.
    
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    July 31, 2019 3:08pm
    - sooty
      
      Bit like “Clint”!
      
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      July 31, 2019 7:10pm
alloytoo

It’s all very well declaring Climate Change emergencies (what a woke this to do), but what is the rational response to potential climate change?

1. Will our attempts to change the climate yield results? Are they defined and measurable?
2. What is the cost of trying to change the climate?
3. What is the cost of mitigating climate change effects?

Prevention vs mitigation?

If we attempt prevention and it fails, will we still have the resources to mitigate?

It would appear to me that there are huge unknowns as regards prevention, and the money would be better spent on preparing for mitigation.

Using the money today to make the most vulnerable less vulnerable tomorrow.

Making energy choices today that are actually going to work under a variety of climate changed conditions.

In the 1970’s Jerry Pournelle wrote a collection of essays addressing the perceived problems of the age which included famine, pollution, and energy.
He proposed that the vast majority of our problems can be addressed by securing energy supply (remember these were written when Oil supply was an issue). He called his approach “Survival with Style”. (Essays were collected as https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2362018.A_Step_Farther_Out)

The premise is simple, humanity should survive without throwing away our lifestyles and the way to do it is with energy.

Cheap reliable energy can provide heat in the artic, water in the desert, it can clean up pollution and provide transport, housing, heating and entertainment. Cheap energy leads to better lifestyles and healthier outcomes.

So lets be rational about power.

Cheaper reliable power facilitates better economic and social outcomes.

Cheap power needs to be balanced against the cost of mitigating pollution costs.

Just as importantly reliable power needs to be balanced against the cost mitigating pollution costs.

Thoughts?
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July 31, 2019 8:52am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Too long
  
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  July 31, 2019 9:22am
- tf78
  
  I have a new name for the ‘climate change’ band wagon and have decided to call it a “Psychological Contagion”.
  
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  July 31, 2019 9:35am
- kowtow
  
  The Dunedin City Council declared a climate emergency , but the real emergency is that in Dunedin there’s an unacceptable level of shit in the drinking water , now that’s closer to being an emergency .
  
  ‘ The Dunedin City Council has four supplies which all meet Health Act standards and all except the main Dunedin supply, serving 112,515 people, reached drinking water standards.
  
  The Dunedin supply failed because it exceeded acceptable E.coli levels.’
  
  https://www.odt.co.nz/regions/regions-drinking-water-below-standard
  
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  July 31, 2019 9:47am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Exactly..
  
  Raise the living standards of the poor, educate their children.
  
  It’s not a warming climate that threatens humanity,
  it is the unequal supply of potable water across the planet.
  
  Countries with an expanding population and dodgy water supply are the flashpoints for trouble.
  
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  July 31, 2019 10:09am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Contraception. Expanding populations in already overcrowded countries just make no sense at all. When I was young this was the clear message, and many Europeans took that to heart. And that was the *liberal* message. Somehow, that disappeared.
    
    But now it’s every other country’s job to ‘Raise the living standards of the poor, educate their children’?
    
    Sorry: not if they are continuing to overpopulate.
    
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    July 31, 2019 10:30am
    - Albert_Ross
      
      You have that the wrong way round. Raising living and educational standards leads to reduced birth rates. Trying to go straight to enforcing lower birth rates on poor people while it remains the case that a large family is their only hope of support in their old age isn’t going to work.
      
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      July 31, 2019 11:36am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        No, I don’t have that ‘the wrong way round’. I’m telling you the message Europeans were getting in the 70s and 80s, and many took to heart.
        
        ‘Enforcing’ lower birth rates is not mentioned in my post. Just that we should not become responsible for other people’s decision to have more children than they can afford.
        
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        July 31, 2019 12:10pm
      - Tall Man
        
        It is way cheaper to provide education to the masses than feed and clothe them for all time.
        
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        July 31, 2019 2:42pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Education solves most of the problems, it just takes time.
      
      Look at our problems here and tell me that an educated person would act the way that these ferals do?
      
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      July 31, 2019 2:41pm
lastmanstanding

The Facts

1. The Mangere land has been the subject of at least one ‘Full and Final Settlement”.

2. The legal owners have sold it to a company for an agreed price.

3. In addition the company has agreed to build 40 homes for the legal owners.

4. There is a chronic housing shortage amognst the prote
5. The Prime Minister has unilaterally ordered the company to stop work on the land.

I say all non Maori owned land is now at risk of occupation and appropriation.
Unless the Government moves the protesters on using whatever means necessary the non Maori citizens cannot be guaranteed full title to their legal property.
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July 31, 2019 8:56am
- Tall Man
  
  Point 3 is not correct.
  
  The previous legal owners, the Wallace family, sold it to Fletchers. Fletchers have done a deal with the original iwi owners to massage their hurty feelings even though they accepted a “settlement” some years ago. If the occupation leads to another government “settlement” then expect a meltdown of the original multi party settlement.
  
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  July 31, 2019 9:04am
- kowtow
  
  Full and final ?
  Like the five that Ngai Tahu got , along with perpetual top ups.
  
  ‘The $170 million settlement in 1997 was the tribe’s fifth’
  
  https://www.odt.co.nz/opinion/complaint-industry-still-rambles
  
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  July 31, 2019 9:49am
- Liberty
  
  “The Prime Minister has unilaterally ordered the company to stop work on the land”
  
  Ruling by decree went out of vogue in 1640s with the removal of King Charles.
  That didn’t stop Stalin with the detriment of a few million peasants.
  
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  July 31, 2019 11:16am
  - mark15
    
    Like firearms,are property rights now privileges?
    
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    July 31, 2019 1:39pm
Maggie Pie

Last week i was notified that my Twitter account had been suspended due to a complaint about a tweet i’d made. Unbelievable!!
All i’d done was send a tweet and a pic about the gay ‘Fisting Festival’ (KiwiFist) that ATEED had sponsored using ratepayrs money last year. Twitter investigated and found i had not violated any rules and immediately unsuspended my account. Obviously I must of upset some loser that follows me 🙁
As my partner said, “When you’ve got 496 followers, at least one of them’s bound to be a perpetually upset humorless lefty twat”

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EAb3p6tU4AAnIaM?format=jpg&name=medium
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July 31, 2019 9:04am
- mark15
  
  Me too!
  All I said was to compare ‘transgenderism’ to mental illness.
  Boom…
  
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  July 31, 2019 12:27pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Wrong, mental illness is not a choice…… the other is.
    
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    July 31, 2019 2:36pm
KevO'Brien

Famed Yale computer science professor quits believing Darwin’s theories:
https://www.claremont.org/crb/article/giving-up-darwin/

A bit of a long read but it attaches numerical probabilities to a fascinating topic.
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July 31, 2019 9:06am
- Swifty
  
  Fascinating indeed KevOB – and I would encourage you to see Youtube, for example, for multiple examples of where Berlinski’s, Meyer’s and other similar folk’s take on evolution are thoroughly shown up as flawed, incomplete, twisted or downright deceitful.
  
  And as far as the ORIGIN of life on earth goes – nobody yet knows, including the Discovery Institute guys.
  
  We’re working on it though.
  
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  July 31, 2019 9:47am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Personally I accept the Biblical Creator. The more I see of the complexity of the structures of life, humans and plants the more I am awed by them.
    
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    July 31, 2019 1:28pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Right, church for me on Sunday to sort the bugger out for “giving” us ardern.
      
      Mind you, I’ve never really considered “what’s in it for wynston” even remotely connected to god.
      
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      July 31, 2019 2:34pm
      - White Anglo Saxon Protestant
        
        I’m reminded of C.S. Lewis’ response to the argument that a good God would not allow suffering:
        
        My God man, have you never been to the dentist?!
        
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        July 31, 2019 3:33pm
    - Swifty
      
      ‘The more I see of the complexity of the structures of life, humans and plants the more I am awed by them.’
      
      Yes, me too.
      
      But what troubles me is the other side of the design coin.
      
      The savagery, with carnivorous animals.
      
      The cruelty with the young of species, including humans, afflicted with disease and fatal conditions from birth.
      
      The waste, with 99.9% of species ever to have existed already extinct.
      
      The design flaws, present in species including us.
      
      And, the big one, the Milky Way and Andromeda galaxies on a collision course and which will result to total annihilation of our home if the sun doesn’t cause it’s extinction beforehand.
      
      Some design.
      
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      July 31, 2019 5:08pm
Yvette

• The [Ihumatao] protesters are adamant they want written confirmation that no building will take place until a resolution is found.

• Auckland businesses continue fight for compensation over City Rail Link construction works.

Having set the precedent with Ihumatao in stating no building will take place until the issue raised by protestors is resolved, why does Ardern not proclaim a halt to City Rail Link construction – in the interests of those now, and next in line, for disruption of their livelihoods – until the issue is resolved?

(And I believe she would be acting more legitimately to halt City Rail Link than Fletchers at Ihumatao)
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July 31, 2019 9:22am
- stephieboy
  
  Yvette, bu the City Rail link funding was approved by the Nats!
  
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  July 31, 2019 9:44am
  - tf78
    
    stephie – the CRL was not supposed to START until 2018 – Len Brown jumped the gun and then there was no turning back.
    
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    July 31, 2019 10:13am
  - alloytoo
    
    More correctly Central government was harried into financing part of Len Brown (and now Phil Goff’s) vanity project.
    
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    July 31, 2019 10:43am
Tall Man

Perhaps the mods should listen to this…

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/early-edition/opinion/kate-hawkesby-bridges-sexist-for-calling-out-pm-i-dont-think-so/

Calling out ardern for her lying, work avoidance, overseas focus and other failings is neither sexist nor abusive… it is showing her respect as an equal to men 😉

[Mod – As you’ve been told before Tall Man, calling out a specific instance of lying is fine. There would appear to be plenty of instances for you to choose from, without having to resort to blanket smears.]
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July 31, 2019 9:22am
- Tall Man
  
  [Mod – As you’ve been told before Tall Man, calling out a specific instance of lying is fine. There would appear to be plenty of instances for you to choose from, without having to resort to blanket smears.]
  
  You are right about the opportunities… 😉
  
  However, the definition of “smear”: damage the reputation of (someone) by false accusations; slander.
  “someone was trying to smear her by faking letters”
  
  Nothing “false” about my accusation and in fact, as I have said before, it seems to be her default action when pressed..
  
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  July 31, 2019 9:54am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    “Who said I was a liar, it wasn’t that Tall Man was it?”
    
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EAuCngEU4AYcVwJ?format=jpg&name=900×900
    
    🙂
    
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    July 31, 2019 10:52am
    - Tall Man
      
      I’ve always thought “toilet selfies” were in bad taste……
      
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      July 31, 2019 2:30pm
- cmm
  
  TM: Perhaps you can get away with calling her a “serial truth manager”?
  
  I must say I do not understand why there is an aversion to calling someone with a shopping list of lies to their credit a liar.
  
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  July 31, 2019 10:23am
  - Tall Man
    
    I always liked the phrase.. “inveterate liar”….
    
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    July 31, 2019 2:28pm
    - MH
      
      lack of a backbone ?
      
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      July 31, 2019 2:58pm
      - Tall Man
        
        “Invertebrate”…. Yep, I can run with that.
        
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        July 31, 2019 8:22pm
Surely Knott

School principals want to use our kids as activists to protest for better principal pay with a wear green to school day. This is so wrong! They are in a position of authority over the kids and parents while they are at school, so which kids are not going to be seen to support better pay for the principal?. If they want kids and parents to support their protest it must be freely given support and done outside of school hours. EG. Wear green on Saturday to support teachers pay.
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July 31, 2019 9:24am
Rich Prick

Fuck the airhead, that is all. Thankfully they are so useless they’re not fucking the country too much. A social studies girl as PM, what was the old drunk thinking?
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July 31, 2019 9:36am
- stephieboy
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Rich Prick. liberal use of the F word and similar standard fare around the home and dining table?
  
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  July 31, 2019 9:42am
- Albert_Ross
  
  It’s perfectly obvious what he was thinking – the same thing as he always has – What’s in it for Me, three more years of baubles that’s what. He has never in a long career shown the slightest sign of giving any thought to what’s best for New Zealand so the only surprise now is that anybody should be surprised.
  
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  July 31, 2019 9:44am
- slightlyrighty
  
  The old drunk made his choice not because he wanted to see Labour in government, but because he did not want National to be in government.
  
  We have a government that has been formed simply out of spite.
  
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  July 31, 2019 9:56am
  - Tall Man
    
    With copious quantities of spittle…
    
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    July 31, 2019 2:26pm
- JibberJabber
  
  Can we crowd fund a Nobel Peace prize for her so she can far coff to the UN asap?
  
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  July 31, 2019 10:00am
Classic Liberal

Interesting watching US politics right now. Amazing that the Democrats could be so stupid as to ‘circle the wagons around indefensible positions’ as Styx puts it: ‘Trump is a waaaycist’ for pointing out what everyone knows: Baltimore is crime-riddled and rat-infested. Saying anything about declining inner city problems is now ‘waaaaycist!!’

His tweets to Cummings did not mention race at all. And when CNN brings up a twerp (Victor Blackwell) who says referring to rat infestation is somehow a racial slur, *who is the real racist*?

Trump’s plan is clear: make the Dems look like absolute idiots for calling ‘waaaaycist’ even when Trump simply states facts that have nothing do to with race. Baltimore and similar declining cities have been run by Libs for decades and Trump asks where all the money has gone. Clearly not into cleaning the places up.

And he has placed AOC and other extreme Dem socialists in the limelight. The Dems will lose moderate voters though this strategy.
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July 31, 2019 9:36am
- barnacle bill
  
  And this is what the people of Baltimore think about Trump.
  
  “We would tell the most dishonest man to ever occupy the Oval Office, the mocker of war heroes, the gleeful grabber of women’s private parts, the serial bankrupter of businesses, the useful idiot of Vladimir Putin and the guy who insisted there are ‘good people’ among murderous neo-Nazis that he’s still not fooling most Americans into believing he’s even slightly competent in his current post.”
  
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  July 31, 2019 11:12am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Countering Trump’s lies with truth is fun, but fruitless in convincing his disciples he is anything other than God’s gift to murica.
    
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    July 31, 2019 11:41am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      So, Milky, are you saying that Baltimore is a clean city with a low crime rate and no rat problem?
      
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      July 31, 2019 11:59am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        I didn’t say that. I think I could restate the message of my previous comment, though:
        Trump lies with a frequency unprecedented for a US president, but his obvious lies have no impact on his devoted supporters.
        
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        July 31, 2019 1:45pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Trump.. a liar?
        
        It must be a pre-requisite to get elected then.
        
        Big difference, Trump will win in 2020…… ardern will not.
        
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        July 31, 2019 2:22pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Fancy someone despising him because he is a “grabber of women’s private parts”.
      
      They obviously welcomed the grab as I don’t recall the prosecutions……
      
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      July 31, 2019 2:24pm
      - barnacle bill
        
        Tall Boy, the old saying that wisdom comes with age.
        
        Ageing sure as hell has not helped you one ounce.
        
        You keep coming up with brainless opinions, day after day.
        
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        July 31, 2019 3:37pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Well crusty, you just keep following the leemings off the cliff.
        
        I prefer to think and judge for myself. I’ve never been too bothered about missing out on ardern’s pathetic selfies.
        
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        August 1, 2019 9:28am
  - Komata
    
    bb@1112
    
    Would you provide a source for your quote please, ‘cos if you don’t we have no way of knowing if the writer wasn’t in fact you, especially as your dislike of the US president is well known.
    
    Thanks.
    
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    July 31, 2019 1:01pm
    - barnacle bill
      
      The Baltimore Sun, Komata.
      
      Do a Google search, it is still there.
      
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      July 31, 2019 1:29pm
  - Tall Man
    
    I didn’t know the people of Baltimore had met “what’s in it for wynston”.
    
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    July 31, 2019 2:19pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  Here’s the difference between us, BB: before the last US election I started comparing what the MSM wrote and what Trump had *actually* said and written. The contrast was huge and showed me to what extent the MSM lies and can’t be trusted. It has become incredible, especially when anyone can just go and check what Trump actually writes.
  
  Just read what he actually tweeted about Cummings and Baltimore: not a racist thing in it.
  
  Unless you think that any criticism of any
  black official’s performance is automatically racist? In that case there is no hope for you.
  
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  July 31, 2019 11:57am
  - barnacle bill
    
    Did I criticize Trump.
    No I did not.
    
    I reposted what was written in the Baltimore Sun.
    
    However you being dense failed to notice the difference.
    
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    July 31, 2019 12:49pm
    - mikenmildagain
      
      Although the editorial writer for the Balitimore Sun was simply telling the plain truth.
      
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      July 31, 2019 1:46pm
      - Tall Man
        
        As ordained by our liar in chief.. you know, “the anti trump”.
        
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        July 31, 2019 2:20pm
      - Kiwi Dave
        
        Except some of this ‘truth’ was garnished rather than plain.
        
        Here’s part of Trump’s Charlottesville presser, as reported by the LA Times:
        
        “…And you had people, and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists. OK? …”
        
        Look at the whole set of Trump’s responses and ‘fine people’ obviously refers to both sides of the statue debate, not the neo-Nazis.
        
        Given his support for the Ukraine, I doubt very much that Trump is Putin’s idiot, despite the insinuations of his political enemies.
        
        There’s plenty of stuff for which Trump can be criticised, but newspaper editors don’t enhance their general credibility when they engage in easily checked misrepresentation.
        
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        July 31, 2019 5:50pm
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Go on, insult me all you like. Trump will win 2020.
      
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      July 31, 2019 2:02pm
      - barnacle bill
        
        That he may well do.
        However, we are yet to see the worst of Trump in my opinion.
        
        We occasionally see it now, when he goes back to his red cap mates and riles them into a frenzy, but come election time if the polls are going against him, then the USA may well become a very dangerous place.
        
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        July 31, 2019 2:19pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        ‘but come election time if the polls are going against him,’
        Lol
        The Polls were going against him right up to the last day of the last Election and nothing happened.
        Once again Bill proves he knows nothing.
        One of the worst cases of TDS I’ve seen. Truly deluded.
        
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        July 31, 2019 8:47pm
  - Kabull
    
    Part of the problem here in NZ is that CNN is still held out to be the font of all knowledge about the US. Not helped by it being the only US new channel available via Freeview. The hatred CNN, NSMBC and to an extent ABC have towards Trump is legend. Most of the print media also has an openly negative bias.
    It is astonishing how well many Kiwis profess to know what is going on in the US and how they claim to know that Trump is ‘bad’. I bet their opinions come from CNN etc as repeated unquestioning by our media. Yes, the man may have flaws – but who doesn’t. But what gives us the right – and the expertise – to run him down the way we do? How would we feel if the US media treated our PM the same way?
    
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    July 31, 2019 5:11pm
stephieboy

From the annals on the war against crime:

Security measures reduce dairy robberies

We learn that the Government’s $2 million to beef up security at Dairies is actually working according to police . They note a perceptible drop in dairy related robberies

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018706529/security-measures-reduce-dairy-robberies

Way to go!
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July 31, 2019 9:40am
- DigNap15
  
  Why should we pay to protect Indians selling alchocol and cigarettes?
  The courts should just get tough on the ones the police catch.
  
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  July 31, 2019 6:31pm
stephieboy

A sneak preview of the Jaguar I Pace EV. Stunning! Sensational!

https://www.jaguar.com/jaguar-range/i-pace/index.html

Way to go.
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July 31, 2019 9:47am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  What do you mean sneak preview? The bloody thing’s been on sale on world markets for nearly a year.
  I hope it doesn’t explode like the Hyundai EV did the other day.
  
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  July 31, 2019 10:35am
  - Jack5
    
    Stephie X, your enthusiasm for Jaguar is surely related to the fact that the brand is now owned by the Indian firm, Tata, and India is a neighbour and close ally of Stephiestan! ?
    
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    July 31, 2019 1:03pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      And stephie you should know that India is the worst polluter on earth, and I thought pollution was something you cared about.
      
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      July 31, 2019 8:41pm
- The Feed
  
  As interesting as the EV technology is, they are no replacement – yet – for a standard car.
  
  Put on the AC, the mileage drops away significantly. Hours to “refuel”, means they’re limited to being town cars. When they run out of juice, you have to put them on a truck as you can’t even tow them. Not cheap to charge from home. Let’s not get started on the cost of replacing batteries.
  
  Talk to the rental agencies who lease out these all-electric cars. Some interesting stories about how the hype doesn’t match the reality.
  
  The tech is some way off being a replacement, yet.
  
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  July 31, 2019 11:24am
kevn

@RP… utu, simple as that. At our (NZer’s) cost.
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July 31, 2019 9:48am
Maggie Pie

My partners mum tweets:
“Is this another case of shutting the stable door after the horse has shot its bolt?”

https://twitter.com/DailyMirror/status/1156105190807916544
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July 31, 2019 9:50am
- JibberJabber
  
  In the post below, that`d have to be the only time I`d agree with Jeremy Corbyn.
  
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  July 31, 2019 10:53am
Happychappy

I posted this yesterday evening but did not learn anything from the reply, but does anyone else agree with me that this not a good step for the Government to take.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=12254201
And is this what David Seymour did a deal with Winston for to advance his bill by voting yes on what Winston wanted.
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July 31, 2019 9:55am
wreck1080

Incredibly cruel coroner…

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/114602819/coroner-says-girl-killed-by-rubbish-truck-should-not-have-been-walking-to-school-without-adult

Just about every primary school kid walks or scoots or bikes to school .

To blame the parents for their loved childs death is beyond cruel!
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July 31, 2019 10:00am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Yeah coroners frequently make stupid assertions like this without consideration of the bad consequences of their recommendations.
  
  Number of younger kids who walk or bike to school = 10’s of thousands, number who die each year as a result is probably (mostly) zero. If every kid had to be chaperoned by an adult then the net cost to the country in worsened traffic (and more traffic accidents) and another hour or two of unproductive time for the adults is probably $10’s to 100’s of millions per year. Then there is the educational and health benefits of kids getting more exercise, and learning to be more sensible and responsible at a younger age (not infantalising them as much), and likely a lot more besides.
  
  This was bad luck, the universe is shit like that and the coroner is just making a prick of himself.
  
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  July 31, 2019 11:52am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    The number of chaperoning parent deaths in cars would probably exceed any child scooter deaths.
    
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    July 31, 2019 1:36pm
JibberJabber

Climate Hysterics a year late and a dollar short,https://www.cityam.com/bad-day-at-the-office-climate-change-activists-protest-outside-the-wrong-building/
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July 31, 2019 10:33am
Biscuit

What is it about Australians, eh?

Three of their cricketers get caught cheating in South Africa … and all three proceed to weep on live TV…

Just days after an oh-so-pure Australian swimmer calls out a Chinese swimmer and refuses to share a World Championships podium with him, another oh-so-pure Australian swimmer gets caught having contravened drug laws … and weeps on live TV…

Some jumped-up food preparer gets caught underpaying his staff … by the small matter of $A7.8 million! … and weeps on live TV…

Hypocrites, the lot of them…
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July 31, 2019 11:39am
- Tall Man
  
  “Cry if you’re caught”…..
  
  Catch phrase of the crooks.
  
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  July 31, 2019 2:14pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Q.12
JONATHAN YOUNG to the Minister of Energy and Resources: Why was the $117.42 a megawatt-hour daily average price of electricity across New Zealand on 30 July 2019, 67 percent higher than it was a year ago?

https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/order-paper-questions/list-of-oral-questions/oral-questions-31-july-2019/
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July 31, 2019 11:44am
- Tall Man
  
  “No idea, wanna pie?”
  
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  July 31, 2019 2:15pm
cmm

How to drive in the snow:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/114634888/how-to-drive-in-the-snow-like-a-pro

Here’s a better hint: If you base your snow driving on what you learn reading on stuff then please stay off the roads.
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July 31, 2019 11:47am
cmm

So here here’s what you get when you try have an artist with a “design philosophy” try to replace an engineer designing a basic functional item like a roof.

$2000 of steel roof gets replaced by a $200k artwork that doesn’t even function as a roof.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/114575061/glass-fix-to-bus-shelter-with-hole-in-roof-discarded-to-protect-design-philosophy

When people with arts degrees start to “design” stuff bad things happen!
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July 31, 2019 12:04pm
Hugh Pavletich

Will New Zealand follow Australia with crashing residential consenting / approval volumes … because of failures opening up land supply and properly debt financing infrastructure ? …

… Meantime in Australia building approvals crash year on year …

Dwelling approvals crash accelerates … MacroBusiness Au ( behind paywall )

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/07/dwelling-approvals-crash-accelerates/

The Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) has released dwelling approvals data for the month of June. At the national level, the number of dwelling approvals fell by a seasonally adjusted 1.2% to 14,295. The overall fall in approvals was driven by the volatile unit & apartment segment (-6.5), which more than offset the 0.4% rise in detached house approvals.
In the year to June 2019, dwelling approvals crashed by a seasonally-adjusted 25.6%, with house approvals down 14.8% and unit approvals down by 39.3%: … read more via hyperlink above …

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Property sales tumble leading to prediction of ‘100,000 job losses’ … The Age / The Sydney Morning Herald

https://www.theage.com.au/business/the-economy/property-sales-tumble-leading-to-prediction-of-100-000-jobs-losses-20190730-p52c4v.html
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… covered within this morning’s Interest Co NZ 90@9 … view and read …

All eyes on the Fed; US consumer spending modest; US home sales falter; Trump lashes out at China; Japan factories slow; Aussie building consents slump; UST 10yr yield at 2.07%; oil & gold up; NZ$1 = 66.1 USc; TWI-5 = 71.4 … Interest Co Nz

https://www.interest.co.nz/news/100950/all-eyes-fed-us-consumer-spending-modest-us-home-sales-falter-trump-lashes-out-china
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… Will New Zealand follow Australia by failing to open up land supply / abolish urban limits and properly debt finance infrastructure … as promised in the lead up to the 2017 General Election and often after ? … access further information http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org .
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July 31, 2019 12:22pm
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  Note yesterdays posting regarding NZ latest building consents … only lifyed by artificia demand in Auckland on the apartment front. Places like the Bay of Plenty in particular are just a shocker.
  
  Make a point of checking out the consenting performances / trends in specific areas …
  
  https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/07/general_debate_30_july_2019.html/comment-page-1#comment-2529795
  
  https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/07/links-30-july-2019/#comment-3400199
  
  … NEW ZEALAND JUNE BUILDING CONSENTS / APPROVALS: On an appropriate population adjusted basis about half the 1974 peak … read more via hyperlinks above …
  
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  July 31, 2019 1:15pm
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    … NEW ZEALAND: An inspiring immigrant from Cambodia leads the way in New Zealand making pies … again … again … and again ! …
    
    Seven-time Supreme Pie Awards winner, crowned again last night, reveals secret to success … TVNZ
    
    https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/seven-time-supreme-pie-awards-winner-crowned-again-last-night-reveals-secret-success
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    … Greater Christchurch is now the ‘food capital’ of New Zealand … thanks to increasingly affordable and competitive land markets and commercial rents … allowing entrepreneurs to get a start … read the report on the recent JLL research …
    
    https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/06/links-13-june-2019/#comment-3367563
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    … except sadly the former central area … The Bureaucrats Bog …
    
    Christchurch’s CBD is still struggling, businesses say | Liz McDonald | Stuff.co.nz
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/business/the-rebuild/114084571/christchurchs-cbd-is-still-struggling-businesses-say
    
    … extract …
    
    … “The costs in the central city are horrendously high. Rates cost a hell of a lot. It’s very hard work for these guys getting established.” …
    
    … High land values and that rating differential bring central city business rates up to about $60 to $80 dollars per metre annually
    
    This equates to as much as $20,000 a year, of $400 a week, for a medium-sized 250sq m store or cafe. … read more via hyperlink above …
    
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    July 31, 2019 1:59pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Hugh, haven’t the men in white coats come for you yet? Time to give them a call.
      
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      July 31, 2019 8:43pm
Jack5

In the American Nieman Reports, a comprehensive article on international coverage of mass shootings in light of NZ media handling of the Christchurch mosques massacre by Brenton Harrison Tarrant:

https://niemanreports.org/articles/when-you-see-me-on-the-news-youll-know-who-i-am/
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July 31, 2019 12:59pm
wreck1080

https://earther.gizmodo.com/are-we-watching-the-arctic-pass-a-tipping-point-this-su-1836824810?IR=T

It amazes how a vocal minority can still deny anthropogenic global warming.
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July 31, 2019 1:15pm
- Jules99
  
  Reads like the plot of a good movie. Of course, those of us who have looked at the actual data know that ice levels are well within the normal range for the summer season.
  
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  July 31, 2019 1:42pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/icecover.uk.php
    
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    July 31, 2019 2:49pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  More amazing that so many supposedly educated people can’t see the weakness of the Catastrophist predictions so many of which have already failed and been revealed as ludicrous, or the enormous personal financial gains being made by alarmist profiteers driving the Millenialist alarmist agenda and pocketing 10’s of billions per year as a result.
  
  Yes the earth is warming, but relatively slowly (land at .012-.013°C per year in last 40 years, global ocean at tiny .0015°C per year), with minimal extra cost or danger to >99% of worlds population, and in fact huge benefit to those in higher latitudes and those surviving due to increased agricultural output created by higher CO2. The slow global sea level rise of 1-2mm/yr affects a tiny proportion, and can be adapted to over the many decades of time that it takes for it to have any significant cumulative effect.
  
  Meanwhile technology development means that we are starting economic transition to PV battery for most of our energy needs – which will quickly reduce fossil fuel use over next 2-3 decades. Gonna need to find a new scare
  
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  July 31, 2019 2:02pm
- Tall Man
  
  I’m amazed at how gullible some people are.
  
  Now, I do have the solution for anthrogaga bullshit.
  
  Please send me $10.00 via Kiwiblog and I promise that I will reverse all the nasty shit by 2020… probably around October at the latest……
  
  No cheques please, we have enough of those already….
  
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  July 31, 2019 2:03pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  Because a vocal minority actually understand the science or have qulifications in Climatology or Physics, and understand the difference between causality and correlation. Most Politicians, Journalists and Movie Stars have no suitable qualifications and have no understanding of the scientific method, but they have the biggest mouths, and the widest audience.
  
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  July 31, 2019 3:15pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    And the attention makes them personally richer.
    
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    July 31, 2019 4:43pm
  - stephieboy
    
    rightoverlabour, you put your self in the category of the vocal minority and understand the scientific method?
    
    Really!
    
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    July 31, 2019 6:03pm
    - rightoverlabour
      
      Yes. An MSc in Palaeoclimatology counts as a qualification in Climatology. And when you know more about black body radiation, the vibrational geometry of molecules and adiabatic lapse rates than I do, feel free to engage. Else, carry on demonstrating your ignorance.
      
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      July 31, 2019 9:04pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  Actually, I reckon wild fires probably do their bit for pumping CO2 into the atmosphere. Look at these simulations from NASA. And look Arderne, NZ doesnt even flicker, ever. (Actually, wild fires are a beneficial part of nature, they produce Ozone, create condensation nuclei for the Bergeron Process (Stephieboy- look it up) aid in the reproduction of many plant species and supply plenty of wonderful, beneficial CO2 for new plants to breathe. https://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/3868
  
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  July 31, 2019 10:00pm
Jack5

Maori seem out to block Whhhhanganui refugee resettlement.

The city was chosen as a settlement destination in February and Radio NZ reports it could expect 30 refugees in 2020 and about 150 every year thereafter.

But local Maori leader Ken Mair says Immigration NZ and the district council failed to consult properly with Maori.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/395631/meeting-halted-after-iwi-leader-says-city-not-ready-for-refugees
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July 31, 2019 1:20pm
- Batman
  
  The local dialect has a silent ‘h’ in Whanganui ?
  
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  July 31, 2019 1:35pm
  - Tall Man
    
    The actual word has an invisible “h”.
    
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    July 31, 2019 2:00pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    If you have a good ear and listen to a NI WestCoast Maori born before 1970, you’ll notice that it is a lightly aspirated H.
    
    Listen to how Dame Tariana Turia pronounces Whanganui (at 1min 50sec).
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2017/11/dame-tariana-turia-the-new-voice-of-whanganui-river.html
    
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    July 31, 2019 3:16pm
    - Swifty
      
      I got taught a lesson in the 1980s as a young buck.
      
      I was in a conversation with a farmer I knew well in Wainuioru and we were talking about his family’s history farming in the Te Wharau area, east of Gladstone – as they had done since the late 1800s.
      
      I thought I was being all culturally sensitive and cool pronouncing it with an ‘F’ as in Te Farau and did so a few times.
      
      Long story short, he finally asked me what I was doing, and did I know that the locals pronounced it with a ‘W’, no ‘F’ involved.
      
      Funnily enough we were in the Gladstone pub not long after and yarning with one of the local elders (Wi someone, forget his last name) and sure enough there was no ‘F’ sound.
      
      I guess it’s the spelling that doesn’t help. If it was spelt Te Warau, less people would get it wrong.
      
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      July 31, 2019 3:32pm
      - JibberJabber
        
        While ago I watched a doco on James K Baxter and his commune, it was interesting to hear how the local Maori pronounced Wanganui back then in the 60s and 70s. Not a Wh is to be heard.
        Tho` growing up in Whenuapai in the early 60s, it was always pronounced Fehnuapai by honkey and maori alike. ?
        
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        July 31, 2019 5:31pm
    - Jack5
      
      I’ve listened to the Tariana Turia pronunciation as linked to by Maggy Wassilieff in her 3.16 post.
      
      I’ve repeated it, and slowed it down, and the sound contains a “lightly aspirated H” as described by Maggy. However, this seems to come before the “W” sound.
      
      So perhaps the river and city should be called Hwanganui to comply with traditional North Island West Coast Maori pronunciation.
      
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      July 31, 2019 5:45pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Yep,
        in this case, she does seem to produce a Hw sound..
        but I’ve heard her pronounce Whanganui with an even lighter aspiration.
        
        (I’m W(h)anganui born & bred and never heard pronunciations such as Fonganui/kofai/fanau/fare
        until I was in my 30s….and being “corrected” by born-again Te Reo speakers.
        
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        July 31, 2019 6:12pm
- Swifty
  
  ‘I think Ken Mair has spent too much time on Fox, InfoWars, Brietbart etc’ croaks a frail voice somewhere on Dominion Road, all alone, surrounded by women’s undergarments.
  
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  July 31, 2019 3:15pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh dear, oh dear..
I wonder if our concern trolls are going to label Ken Mair (and that’s a great Scottish moniker) as an alt-right racist?

Mair is just voicing the same sentiments I frequently read here on KB.
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July 31, 2019 2:07pm
- niggly
  
  Fully agree with Ken Mair (there are locals that need help first)!
  
  Also according to the article an average of 15o refugees are to be settled each year – but where will the “free” houses for them come from?
  
  Housing is already in scarce in the Wanganui region, so unless Labour/KiwiFail will magically produce few a dozen houses each year (and in other centres too), which of course won’t happen, so where will the additional houses come from?
  
  Stupid Labour Greens!
  
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  July 31, 2019 3:23pm
  - DigNap15
    
    Evil Greens /Labour (I just corrected that for you)
    
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    July 31, 2019 6:22pm
Hugh Pavletich

… NEW ZEALAND …

ANZ Business Outlook Survey shows the worst sentiment in the construction sector since 2009, while overall business confidence has sagged again and more firms are expecting to cut staff … David Hargreaves … Interest Co NZ

https://www.interest.co.nz/business/100966/anz-business-outlook-survey-shows-worst-sentiment-construction-sector-2009-while

Sentiment in the construction sector has plummeted to its lowest level since 2009, according to the latest ANZ Business Outlook Survey.

And elsewhere in the economy things are not looking so flash either, with most of the indicators in the survey heading down.
The survey’s main indicator, ‘headline business confidence’ fell 6 points to a net -44%.

In the arguably more significant (and less susceptible to ‘political influence’) measure of firms’ views of their own activity, this fell 3 points to +5%, the lowest read since August last year. Other activity indicators were also weaker. … read more via hyperlink above …
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July 31, 2019 3:01pm
- DigNap15
  
  This is sadly great news. (for National supporters)
  It shows the COL are destroying our productive economy.
  They cannot hide behind “overseas headwinds”
  Our exports are holding up well.
  Its just that they have hammered business and made it so hard to employ people, that business are giving up.
  Taxing them more and giving it away to losers.
  
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  July 31, 2019 6:21pm
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    DigNap15 … This has been a long – term issue … as I made clear within the Introduction to a General Email I just sent out …
    
    … New Zealand’s serious long – term ( and politically can – kicked ) housing multiple stretch problem … where normal markets do not exceed 3.0 times gross annual household income ( median multiple ) … Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey http://www.demographia.com/dhi.pdf .
    
    … When the Irish bubble burst ’07, the unweighted median multiple across its surveyed metros went from 4.7 to 2.8 a few years later, putting all its Banks to the wall and requiring a bailout from German financial institutions of about 70 billion euro. New Zealand is currently about 6.5 and Australia 5.6 … access ( 15 to date ) Demographia International Housing Affordability Surveys and associated information via http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org …
    
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    July 31, 2019 8:13pm
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      Post ed at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/07/macro-afternoon-700/#comment-3401496
      
      Business confidence slumps on construction sector woes – NZ Herald
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12254447
      
      NZ dollar falls as business funk deepens – NZ Herald
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12254563
      
      NZ: Unemployment rate likely rose to 4.4% in Q2 – ANZ
      
      https://www.fxstreet.com/news/nz-unemployment-rate-likely-rose-to-44-in-q2-anz-201907310636
      
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      July 31, 2019 8:28pm
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        Hugh.
        Bedtime now, fuck off, nobody’s interested.
        
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        July 31, 2019 8:47pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        We Tories should not forget our spineless history …
        
        John Key 2007 … on housing reform …
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWPgoAI1cLE
        
        John Key and Bill English … Productivity Commission Housing Affordability response … October 2012 …
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuCchEb-XOk
        
        Bill English … Auckland Urban Limits Abolition 2016 …
        
        Labour, National both tell council Auckland city growth limits should be abolished … Sam Sahdeva … Stuff NZ
        
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/80113578/labour-auckland-city-growth-limits-should-be-abolished?rm=m
        
        No wonder I’m a Tory in tears. Talk about a crying shame.
        
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        July 31, 2019 9:13pm
MH

ex PO RNZN, swore true allegiance to HM, her heir and successors,,,
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July 31, 2019 3:13pm
MH

I just realised this Tokelau trip was to ensure her dad, Ross Ardern, was going to get the nod by personal delivery for the most sort after post by foreign affairs personnel……at guess where ? The Ross Dependency !! All the data you can want on Climate change will come from there. Kneepotism or cynicure. One tokelauan over the line hmm hmm sitting right down on a railway station.
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July 31, 2019 3:32pm
Maggy Wassilieff

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/395669/peter-ellis-granted-leave-to-appeal-case-to-supreme-court
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July 31, 2019 5:32pm
- nasska
  
  The poor bugger will be dead before they decide on a hearing date.
  
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  July 31, 2019 5:41pm
Happychappy

For those that wanted to see Sarah Dowie charged over her email to Jamie Lee Ross last year have had bad news the Police have decided not to lay charges.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12254543
Will we see a repeat of the vicious innuendo that that was slung at Simon Bridges or will their be silence.
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July 31, 2019 5:40pm
Swifty

‘Why demographics is everything…….’

I don’t agree with everything within, but a piece which raises some very interesting points regarding immigration into the US.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=146&v=TVrOrnfV10s
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July 31, 2019 5:45pm
- stephieboy
  
  Swifty, is this what you nourish your grey matter with?
  
  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6EyGxVgmTGt27_U9c_oz9g
  
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  July 31, 2019 6:06pm
  - Swifty
    
    The video I linked to came up on my Youtube recommendations today and I clicked on it. I’ve not looked at anything else she’s/he’s done, as yet.
    
    The vid raises some interesting points – you should have a look.
    
    Oh, and I try to nourish my grey matter on all sorts of stuff – not just what rational wiki grants me permission to expose myself to.
    
    You should try it some time.
    
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    July 31, 2019 6:50pm
WaveyDavey

Anyone see TVNZ news at 6pm?

What was the song and dance about the water “exclusive?”

Seemed a pretty mundane any day story, not something to lead on. The rumour I have is that a certain maori minister felt that it was about time that she was on tv.

Neither the NZH, Newshub or Stuff have anywhere on their front page.

Certainly it was the soppiest of soppy stories to be headlining with. New regulator – woohoo.
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July 31, 2019 6:57pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  This could be a very important story….
  
  Many Iwi are light-years ahead of Joe Public in wanting control over water supply/distribution in NZ
  
  https://www.mfe.govt.nz/fresh-water/kahui-wai-m%C4%81ori-freshwater-forum
  
  Keep a close eye on how the proposed Government Regulator pans out
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/395678/new-govt-regulator-to-have-final-say-on-safe-drinking-water
  
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  July 31, 2019 7:56pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Like you, I fear what’s coming.
    
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    July 31, 2019 8:14pm
John Warren

Ethiopia vs Shane Jones: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-49151523
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July 31, 2019 7:10pm
Monique Watson

Ihumātao building development suspended until solution reached – Jacinda Ardern | Newshub https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/07/ihum-tao-building-development-suspended-until-solution-reached-prime-minister-jacinda-ardern.html
You but you are too are a young person. Young and learning which is fine but young leaders telling kids they can disrespect private property is a recipe for ******* disaster. Absent while the Seabed and Foreshore issue of our generation breaks? Not a good look.
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July 31, 2019 8:55pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh dear…
Our part-time Prime Minister is getting a bad press in The Guardian
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/31/new-zealand-rocked-by-maori-protests-on-child-removals-and-use-of-sacred-land
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July 31, 2019 9:05pm
- kowtow
  
  Interesting , Ainge Roy has been shilling for Ardern for quite some time .
  Mind you she’s writing for an international or UK audience of lefties who love all that woke identity crap that fills the legacy media these days.
  NZ rocked by maori protests , nah , don’t think so, as the Don would say “Fake news”.
  
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  July 31, 2019 9:14pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Yep, Ainge Roy’s final paragraph is gonna hurt our PM’s image:
    
    Since taking office in 2017, Ardern has frequently been accused of being more focused on the international stage than domestic affairs. This perception has been exacerbated by her global popularity and frequent media appearances, including one in the upcoming September issue of Vogue.
    
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    July 31, 2019 9:49pm
Monique Watson

Fuck, I’ve just had a ‘frightener’ as a result of settling in to sleep too late. (Five summer-manic kids to get settled first)
What’s the bets if you’re engaged and you’re on a remote Pacific atoll, and you’ve got all the family there that you come back married?
Be convenient timing right? Take the heat off any escalating political situation at home.
Just sayin’.
Nighty night.
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July 31, 2019 9:51pm
Hugh Pavletich

Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/08/links-1-august-2019/#comment-3401686

NEW ZEALAND: The bursting housing bubble …

New Zealand’s serious long – term ( and politically can – kicked ) housing multiple stretch problem is coming to an end.

By definition, all bubbles are unsustainable.

Normal housing markets do not exceed 3.0 times gross annual household income ( median multiple ) … Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey http://www.demographia.com/dhi.pdf .

… When the Irish bubble burst ’07, the unweighted median multiple across its surveyed metros went from 4.7 to 2.8 a few years later, putting all its Banks to the wall and requiring a bailout from German financial institutions of about 70 billion euro.

New Zealand is currently about 6.5 and Australia 5.6 … access ( 15 to date ) Demographia International Housing Affordability Surveys, including the ‘flight to affordability’ (2019 Section) with extensive further information at http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org .

The days of playing infantile political and bureaucratic games with New Zealand’s housing market are over.
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Just released …

ANZ Business Outlook Survey shows the worst sentiment in the construction sector since 2009, while overall business confidence has sagged again and more firms are expecting to cut staff … David Hargreaves … Interest Co NZ

https://www.interest.co.nz/business/100966/anz-business-outlook-survey-shows-worst-sentiment-construction-sector-2009-while
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