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srylands

Yay
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July 2, 2019 8:46am
cmm

People bitch there’s no GD, but nobody posts anyway….

Can’t make em happy!
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July 2, 2019 8:46am
- alloytoo
  
  If there’s no GD to bitch in, are people really bitching?
  
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  July 2, 2019 8:50am
- John Warren
  
  Is that tongue in cheek, cmm?
  
  The problem seems to be that when GD finally appears, the mods are still sound asleep.
  
  [Mod: Wide awake and working John]
  
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  July 2, 2019 8:55am
  - John Warren
    
    Where were you on Sunday morning? 😉
    
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    July 2, 2019 12:53pm
- hullkiwi
  
  cmm, most of our “friends” of old have moved on. Many can be found on another site, which doesn’t have the focus/limitations this site has.
  
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  July 2, 2019 10:16am
Odakyu-sen

In the good old days, General Debate would open like the gates at the greyhound races, and the charge would be on, with contributors sparring with each other right from the get-go.

It’s different now. The gate on the slug-and-lettuce race opens (but you can’t really see any action). In the due course of time, the molluscs slither forth, hot in pursuit of the lettuce.

Eventually, the threads begin to emerge, and by the middle of the morning, things have settled down.

I miss that sense of anticipation of the flag going up and the gates opening, and seeing who sets the early pace.

Welcome to the New Age.
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July 2, 2019 8:47am
- cmm
  
  Tarrant has won the internet.
  
  His plan is working as he predicted. The big goal, Mandela-like fame and recognition, will obviously take many years to come to fruition – if it ever does.
  
  Note for the slow of wit: I am in no way condoning, promoting or supporting his actions. Nor Mandela’s.
  
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  July 2, 2019 9:03am
  - mara
    
    I wonder if Mr Farrar is deliberately collapsing KB. Maybe he is moving on to other ventures. By contrast, despite Cam Slater’s illness, WO is quite vibrant. I have been banned from commenting there but still go for interesting content.
    
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    July 2, 2019 9:21am
    - brett68
      
      Farrar has become a left winger, I get the feeling he doesn’t like or relate to the people who post on Kiwiblog anymore and he’s wants them to move on.
      
      I’d be surprised if Kiwiblog is still here at the end of the year.
      
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      July 2, 2019 9:31am
      - SGA
        
        Farrar has become a left winger
        
        I don’t think so. Imho, DPF is, and always has been, centre-right. He’s reasonably fiscally conservative, but socially liberal in a number of areas.
        
        It’s more that his blog is frequented by some people who are far more politically, economically and, in particular, socially conservative than him.
        
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        July 2, 2019 10:48am
      - sooty
        
        Is this site a mirror of the new National?
        Pink!
        
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        July 2, 2019 12:57pm
    - Liberty
      
      “have been banned”
      Me to 🙂
      
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      July 2, 2019 9:37am
      - Wangas Feral
        
        I was banned but became unbanned.
        
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        July 2, 2019 11:29am
      - Bell-47
        
        Also banned and recently reinstated but with what seems to be an unwritten caveat that all my posts move into moderation first. I don’t comment there anymore.
        
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        July 2, 2019 12:02pm
      - sooty
        
        I tried for a while, but I don’t know wether I was banned or it was Disgusting. Speedread for interesting stuff.
        
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        July 2, 2019 1:00pm
    - cmm
      
      I doubt DPF is deliberately collapsing KB. He could easily do so by just shutting it down.
      
      Still, there can’t be many upsides for DPF. Potentially quite a bit of liability and I doubt there’s enough coin from advertising etc to make KB commercially worthwhile.
      
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      July 2, 2019 9:37am
    - pdm
      
      Christie over at WO writes very good stuff.
      
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      July 2, 2019 10:14am
    - lemuzz
      
      I was permanently banned as well for suggesting that Mods relax their rules for comments when discussing Nicky Hager.
      
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      July 2, 2019 4:38pm
  - The King
    
    “years to come to fruition”
    
    Tarrant has million of followers you just can’t see it from the heavily censored parts of the internet you dwell on.
    
    He’s literally a god like figure in India, and you can’t play any online game without someone named “Brenton Tarrant”. Ive seen kids wearing Tarrant anime T shirts in the freaking mall not even boys 2 girls about 14yo.
    
    You old boomers forget these kids grew up watching slaughter from 911 to the Manchester bombing.
    
    Tarrant was 10 years old when 911 happened.
    
    “The old world is dying and the new world struggles to be born. Now is the time of monsters.”
    
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    July 2, 2019 10:23am
- krazykiwi
  
  Welcome to the Tarrantonian age, one where the government leverages an extremist to gag the people.
  
  Edit: Snap cmm!
  
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  July 2, 2019 9:04am
- SGA
  
  In the good old days, General Debate would open like the gates at the greyhound races, and the charge would be on, with contributors sparring with each other right from the get-go.
  
  It’s different now
  
  Well… it was different then too. Even in the good ol’ days, there wasn’t that much sparring. Much of what happens on GD (and to a certain extent KB in general) is preaching to the choir. And that’s the way most people like it (as is their right). That’s probably true of most sociopolitical blogs, I guess.
  
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  July 2, 2019 9:46am
- Dave Mann
  
  Odakyu, your comments have always been interesting and superbly written. You have a wide and deep knowledge of history and culture (not just Japanese) and I’m sure that you would be welcomed at http://www.ysb.co. nz.
  
  Farrar has strangled his own blog in an attempt to placate the authoritarian woke who have siezed control of our country. YSB (despite its rather puerile name) refuses to be cowed.
  
  Have a look. I’m sure many there would love to have your company!
  
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  July 2, 2019 9:49am
  - Bell-47
    
    Looks ok but last post was June 27. I think mine and others appetite for more frequent posts may not be satisfied…clearly demonstrated by the protestations about late or no GD posts!
    
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    July 2, 2019 12:00pm
  - White Anglo Saxon Protestant
    
    I can see what they’re trying to do, but the tendency to ‘dog pile’ on dissenting views is not funny.
    
    Wouldn’t be surprised if it became an echo chamber within a year.
    
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    July 2, 2019 12:14pm
- Notsofast
  
  You could consider working till 9 am.
  
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  July 2, 2019 2:32pm
alloytoo

Will this be the winter of Jacinda’s discontent?

Her reshuffle went down like a ton of bricks.

Media (other than Hosking) are starting to ask questions about facts and figures.

The health care cuts (lets call the underfunding what it is) are starting to bite.

The real economy is faltering (which will flow onto the “Wellbeing economy”.

Worst of all, Archie has usurped Neve on the magazine covers.
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July 2, 2019 8:48am
- cmm
  
  Dude, too much negative vibes.
  
  There was the Wellbeing Birthday Cake. What more can a nation need?
  
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  July 2, 2019 9:04am
  - alloytoo
    
    What more can a nation need?
    
    lots of stuff the PM doesn’t understand:
    
    GDP
    business confidence
    Transparency
    openness
    
    the bits that make up “Wellbeing”
    
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    July 2, 2019 9:10am
    - cmm
      
      You’re thinking obsolete old-style governments.
      
      Wellbeing governments just need to be able to ice a birthday cake.
      
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      July 2, 2019 9:39am
      - sooty
        
        The PM bursting forth in her little black underwear number, repeating her speech from the youth commie meeting saying Comrade umpteen times!
        
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        July 2, 2019 1:06pm
    - KevO'Brien
      
      What more can a nation need?”
      
      Protection from the looming GFC. Ardern has confirmed that things are down a bit elsewhere but that could never happen in Wangmomona.
      
      By next year, election year, we should be in a serious downturn here with teachers getting pay rises and job losses aplenty. Envy and wage strife will be rife. Very vote encouraging.
      
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      July 2, 2019 5:13pm
  - alex Masterley
    
    And a tree planting..
    Spare me {inset deity of your choice}
    
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    July 2, 2019 9:29am
- sooty
  
  Wait for the rural road speed reduction and then people will start feeling the shit like the gun owners are going to be!
  Will it be Cindys lightbulb/showerhead moment, were Joe Public starts pushing back?
  
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  July 2, 2019 9:07am
  - srylands
    
    If the speed limit is reduced there will be a boom in radar detectors. Fortunately New Zealand is one of the few nations where they are legal. Sadly I expect them to come on the radar ? of the Associate Transport Minister and be banned.
    
    Maybe we will have a radar detector buy back scheme.
    
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    July 2, 2019 9:28am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    The push back has started but polls are not allowed to show it and respondents are hiding their true intentions.
    
    The mood of the people is actually being reflected in the increasing number of comments by known govt friendly journos being publicly critical of the failed COL. They are feeling let down but there is no escape: the COL cannot magically change to what it never had.
    NZ got the govt Winston appointed. ~~MMP~~ Not again.
    ☑️ ☑️
    
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    July 2, 2019 5:23pm
Happychappy

This could get messy for NZ owned banks if the Reserve Bank Governor Adrian Orr and Finance Minister Grant Robertson get their way.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/113913216/kiwibank-warns-investors-may-starve-it-of-investment-under-reserve-bank-plans
Under these plans how is going to help first home buyers wanting to get I to the housing market with interest rates expected to increase. Remember what percentage interest rates got to during the last Labour Government’s term close to 10% and Mums and Dads suffered then.
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July 2, 2019 8:54am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Seems like Grunter is well out of his depth.
  
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  July 2, 2019 8:55am
- cmm
  
  “how is going to help first home buyers wanting to get I to the housing market”
  
  Well duh!
  
  You will be forced to use Kiwibuild.
  
  That Wood make Kiwibuild a success.
  
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  July 2, 2019 9:06am
  - G152
    
    That’s all we need
    An usuitable wood for timber houses
    
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    July 2, 2019 11:38am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    KiwiBuild is a GFC and 10 years away from possible success. Batten down the hatches.
    
    I would be much less concerned with National in charge of the Treasury Benches. The COL can only offer grin and bear it, more strikes, some food kitchens and no hope. Housing will be wherever you exist as best you can.
    
    National have vision based on pragmatic competence and and understanding of commerce and international economic inter-relationships. A country cannot be run on ideology but has to fit the people not what has been determined as “best” for their “welfare”.
    
    No labour govt has left NZ better off. National does not have amateurs as parliamentary candidates.
    
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    July 2, 2019 5:38pm
- alloytoo
  
  Key warns capital move would cut GDP by 20%
  
  https://www.msn.com/en-nz/money/news/key-warns-capital-move-would-cut-gdp-by-20percent/ar-AADHEk4?ocid=spartanntp
  
  “Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern describes the forecast as ‘rhetoric’ and points to official inquiries into ANZ’s governance failures. ”
  
  Which means: “I don’t really understand this GDP stuff and look a squirrel”
  
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  July 2, 2019 9:07am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    Ardern dismisses internationally recognised economists with her fishnchip background. The fight for the control of the RB is on. John Key is just an ancillary hate object. At least he understands how global economies are intertwined.
    
    Increasing compulsory deposits at the RB certainly helps the govt but must reduce bank profitability. That will feed back into an overall reduction in economic activity.
    
    Bloomin’ amateurs–best kept in the nursery.
    
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    July 2, 2019 10:32am
    - tf78
      
      Over forty years ago I had to get my mortgages from the solicitors. First mortgage at 17.5% and second at 20%. That could be the future we are looking towards.
      
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      July 2, 2019 12:06pm
      - sooty
        
        The banks had their mortgages at those figures for awhile too!
        
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        July 2, 2019 1:09pm
- graham
  
  Not just NZ owned banks.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12245560
  
  Although it’s Herald ‘Premium’ (pfft), the first three sentences are enough to tell the story.
  
  ANZ group chief executive Shayne Elliott has threatened to review the “size, nature and operations” of the New Zealand business if the Reserve Bank implements its proposed changes to capital ratios, according to his submission released publicly today.
  
  The capital changes would see ANZ Group reduce investment and reallocate resources away from New Zealand to more profitable businesses, Elliott says.
  
  “This may also lead the New Zealand business to reduce operational costs (including employee costs).”
  
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  July 2, 2019 9:24am
- pdm
  
  Peters is driving this, probably from the mysterious Coalition Agreement. Peters hates the Australian owned banks with a passion.
  
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  July 2, 2019 10:16am
  - RalphT
    
    Does that include Kiwibank? I believe that one of his (former) MPs was convinced it is Australian owned…
    
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    July 2, 2019 10:51am
  - Tall Man
    
    “what’s in it for wynston” hates anyone that doesn’t either acknowledge his superiority or just give him money.
    
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    July 2, 2019 10:55am
  - Paulus
    
    No ! what is happening to our economy is way beyond Peters’s intelligence level.
    
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    July 2, 2019 1:29pm
Tall Man

In clark/cullen’s final days interest rates were hovering around the 12% mark.
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July 2, 2019 8:57am
Captain Mainwaring

I see a carload of Darwin contenders were going so fast down a country road near Te Puke in the middle of the night that their car took flight on a straight piece of road and went so high in the air that it flew through the roof of a double garage, killing two of them.
Sounds like the car’s occupants were kiwifruit packers from Tuvalu. Probably never seen a straight tar-sealed road before and were trying to see how fast they could go.
Yeah, dropping rural speed limits for everyone to 70 is sure to fix that kind of behaviour.
Of course it will.
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July 2, 2019 8:58am
- Tall Man
  
  With “Tuvalu” the poster island for rising sea levels, I’m sure ardern will offer them citizenship to help overcome their horror of the crash…. or does her compassion for “victims” only extend to muslims?
  
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  July 2, 2019 9:10am
  - srylands
    
    No. However I seriously expect Tuvaluans to be offered the first round of climate change refugee status in the next couple of years.
    
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    July 2, 2019 9:30am
    - Tarquin North
      
      Tuvalu is full of inbred dead beats. They only come here to bludge, so they should fit this governments criteria perfectly. They also get bonus points for being climate change refugees, the only card in the deck higher than a Czech drug smuggler or a muslim.
      
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      July 2, 2019 10:43am
      - sooty
        
        Will Cindy put a plam frond on her head and go on tv, saying them are us?
        
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        July 2, 2019 1:11pm
  - White Anglo Saxon Protestant
    
    Only if they were in an imported Ford/ Holden
    
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    July 2, 2019 10:23am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    How can the sea rise when islanders are trampling it underfoot and pushing their coral atoll down. Tarawa now has 50,000 to their former 10,000.
    No climate refugees there- a Court has already decided that. Not only overcrowding but lack of fresh water and tides that swamp them too.
    
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    July 2, 2019 10:51am
    - KevO'Brien
      
      Apologies for putting you crook. Tuvalu is separate now from Kiribati of which Tarawa is the principal island.
      Tarawara is directly North of Auckland and almost on the equator. It attempts to sustain a population of about 60,000 on a very tiny atoll. They do need serious re-homing. Water is rationed and seas flood food crops.
      
      Tuvalu is a little better with only 12,000 on their meager “land” room.
      
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      July 2, 2019 6:03pm
- The Feed
  
  Reason and logic occupy a different planet to Clown World peeps.
  
  On Clown World, it’s about feelz. If it feelz good that the speed limit is, say, 30, it’s 30.
  
  Dealing with children, really.
  
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  July 2, 2019 9:21am
Captain Mainwaring

So Peters the Court Jester has decided that he‘s is the victim of some right-wing supremacist group in Europe who is targeting him and he’s blaming Simon Bridges.
Why would anyone in Europe even know who the bitter old bastard is?
Predictably, Paddy Gower has fallen for it as every good lefty has to have a go at National if there is a hint of a story.
Anyone remember when the wrinkled old prune told the world that Huka Lodge had been sold to the Chinese?
This demented old prick knows no boundaries when he’s desperate for publicity.
Wake up Paddy, he’s taking you for a ride.
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July 2, 2019 9:01am
- Tall Man
  
  I think paddy might enjoy a ride on “what’s in it for wynston”.
  
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  July 2, 2019 9:08am
- Cunningham
  
  Yet Bridges refuses to rule out working with NZ first! I refuse to vote for them if they don’t rule it out, I’d rather they didn’t win then go into coalition with Peters.
  
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  July 2, 2019 10:20am
  - The Feed
    
    Yes, Bridges should rule out Peters now. And keep repeating it, over and again. A vote for NZFirst means Greenbour.
    
    I couldn’t give a toss who the leader of the National Party is, only that they read the obvious signals and realise they must stand for a clear set of principles. They should WELCOME the media going mental at anything they stand for. Learn from Trump, Brexit and Australia.
    
    You are going to lose badly, National, if you come across as Labour-Lite mush.
    
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    July 2, 2019 3:22pm
- G152
  
  No no dont let Paddy (the face for radio) into the big secret that its all fake news
  Actually keep him away from everything that could resemble fact
  
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  July 2, 2019 11:43am
mark15

Hello good morning.
Police have realised there are no gunsmiths authorised to modify the many thousands of formerly legal firearms to comply with the new arms act.
Many firearms were mistakenly included in the wide sweeping reforms that banned magazines with a capacity of >10 rounds but there is provision to modify the magazine to make them compliant.
$300 will be given to make the modifications so people have been doing this to comply.
However,police have realised there is no standard to which this modification is held,so they are saying to not do it until they make one up.
Also,there is no list of police approved gunsmiths to do said modification until they make one up.
So,bearing in mind the 6month amnesty started last week,what happens to previously legal firearms which you could adapt,but can’t,because there is no-one approved by police to do it?
How many gunsmiths will do the work?
How long will it take them?
What happens to firearms at a gunsmith who cannot modify them until after the amnesty?
Who gets the show trial?
Who thought this one through?
I don’t know.
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July 2, 2019 9:04am
- kevn
  
  @mark… There is no doubt we are dealing with a clown gummint.
  
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  July 2, 2019 9:50am
lastmanstanding

Citizens who value freedom of thought and freedom of speech should be ever vigilant.

After Christchurch there was a concerted by the Left to garner support for supposed “Hate Speech” law reform.

We know that this is actually to outlaw thought and speech the Left dont agree with,

Comrade Little was tasked with gaining the necessary support but thankfully lead by KBers the Left could see the idea was not yet ready to fly.

However they are biding their time and like the frog in the slowly boiling pot of water are waiting their chance to strike.

We must keep fighting the fight and remind them we will like Voltaire fight to death to defend everyone and anyones right to freedom of thought and speech.
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July 2, 2019 9:13am
- Justitia
  
  @lastmanstanding: The coalition’s threat to shut down free speech has not gone away. The Ministry of Justice and the Human Rights Commission are continuing to work on the “review” of “hate speech” legislation. It is clear that they will be proposing to widen the Human Rights Act 1993 by outlawing any speech that causes offence to people on the basis of their religion, sexuality or any disability they may have. A crime will have been committed if the complainant says they were offended by a statement, for example, “insulting Islam”. Truth will not be a defense. These new offenses will be promulgated shortly before Christmas, about the time that the findings of the Royal Commission into the Christchurch mosque attacks are due which will occasion another round of media attacks on the far right and those who support freedom of speech. There may be an opportunity for public comment but it is likely to be constrained and any submissions will be ignored. This is a key “deliverable” for Comrade Cindy.
  
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  July 2, 2019 9:57am
  - tf78
    
    Paul Hunt is a mate of Corbyn’s so what do you expect. Corbyn in turn is friends with Hamas – oh happy days to look forward to.
    
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    July 2, 2019 12:10pm
- Yvette
  
  While Ardern was so adamantly insistent the Christchurch mosques shooter “was not one of us”, and a Royal Commission seeks to confirm that, in the sense the man was completely “below the radar” and went totally undetected before his atrocious actions, it suggests there was actually no “hate speech” sufficient to alert anyone of what was coming.
  
  And if the Royal Commission does find some example, in doing that it may also prove you needed a Royal Commission to reveal it.
  
  Obviously some “hate speech” existed, as for example that attributed to Philip Arps, as well as occasional “skinhead” incidents.
  
  It would seem however the reality may be that the most horrendous “hate” crime in New Zealand occurred without any prior “hate speech”.
  
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  July 2, 2019 11:17am
- The King
  
  “fight to death to defend everyone and anyones right to freedom of thought and speech”
  
  No. Your enemies who want you dead, why on earth would you give them any right to speak?
  
  Freedom of speech is an entirely White Western invention, that’s why it does not exist anywhere else in the world.
  
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  July 2, 2019 5:56pm
secondcumming

TBH, I could have told them 18 years ago how to put a stop to this *piece of filth*
……but nobody wants to listen

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12245640
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July 2, 2019 9:18am
3-coil

DPF – didn’t see you at the fantastic Independence Day party last night?? It was raging in the Hutt! Who’d have imagined, even Louisa and Poto had the voices of angels!!
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July 2, 2019 9:28am
Maggie Pie

From my instagram. Is it just me, or is the guy with the horn-rims related to Rolf Harris?

https://www.instagram.com/p/By6dEEVpWEQ/
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July 2, 2019 9:34am
lastmanstanding

If I recall correctly it was around 1993 that Jim Bolger and Doug Graham started throwing Billions of dollars in the latest round of ToW settlement conveniently forgetting that some tribes had already had a number of settlements in the past.

Since then I have never seen any accounting for where the money went.

It appears to have amassed a portfolio of land and buildings and other assets but I dont see any numbers of what amount have been spent or given the the Tribes members and what the outcome if any was.

I suggest the reason is only a few have benefited and the vast majority have seen nothing of the Billions.

If I am wrong them show me the evidence Im wrong.

Facts and figures.

After all the money came from Taxpayers.

Remember them?
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July 2, 2019 9:35am
- atomic drop
  
  The demand for gibs will never stop, our white guilt ridden managerial elite will never stop giving.
  
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  July 2, 2019 9:51am
- MCos
  
  I don’t know, but I would have thought Treaty settlements were compensation for land illegally confiscated. In that respect there is no need for the recipient to account for their disposal to the government.
  Similarly if the government gives Apostle Bishop Brian a tax break because he’s a man of God they can’t grizzle if he buys a fleet of Harleys.
  
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  July 2, 2019 9:56am
- brett68
  
  ToW settlements are just taxpayer subsidies for big business.
  Give tribe money, financial advisors tell them to invest in some large development, tribe hires big business who quotes them xxxxx millions to build.
  Tribe give big business xxxxx millions, the tribe gets an asset, big business gets the millions/billions, everyone’s a winner except the taxpayer.
  Rinse and repeat.
  
  You ever wondered why a party like national was so enthusiastic about treaty settlements? that’s why.
  
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  July 2, 2019 10:02am
- freethinker
  
  Maori tribes like Ngai Tahu are registered as charities so a straightforward way of ensuring benefits of treaty settlement go to Maori beneficiaries is to require charities to distribute at least say 75% of their net income to beneficiaries.
  
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  July 2, 2019 10:25am
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    They could use some of that money to run their own health system
    
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    July 2, 2019 11:45am
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    The Salvation Army has a current asset value in NZ of $550,000,000 yet they still want more.
    
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    July 2, 2019 4:14pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  It ceased to be public money on handover. The recipients are only accountable to their mates.
  
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  July 2, 2019 10:57am
Ross12

From the file labelled ” Just when you thought the world could not become more stupid” we get this

https://dailycaller.com/2019/07/01/london-bridge-hero-deradicalization/
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July 2, 2019 9:41am
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… UNITED STATES & NEW ZEALAND …

Affordable Housing: Meet Amazon’s $18,000 “Lillevilla” House With Free Shipping | Mish / Zero Hedge

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-07-01/affordable-housing-meet-amazons-18000-lillevilla-house-free-shipping

… Looking for more affordable land and housing ? …

2019 15th Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey

http://www.demographia.com/dhi.pdf

… and … what ‘affordable’ is for various dwelling types …

Definition Of An Affordable Housing Market – Performance Urban Planning

http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/affordability.html

… which New Zealand Urban Development Minister Phil Twyford is working on …

New Zealaned Housing Minister Phil Twyfords speech to the New Zealand Initiative Members Retreat … New Zealand Government / Beehive

https://www.beehive.govt.nz/speech/speech-nz-initiative-members%E2%80%99-retreat

… and … as Interest Co NZ Jenee Tibdhraeny explained recently…

With Urban Development Minister Phil Twyford set to continue leading key housing-related law changes, Jenée Tibshraeny argues he shouldn’t be written off as an architect of the Government’s broader housing policy … Interest Co NZ

https://www.interest.co.nz/opinion/100460/urban-development-minister-phil-twyford-set-continue-leading-key-housing-related-law
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July 2, 2019 9:48am
- Tall Man
  
  hugh… sex and travel.
  
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  July 2, 2019 10:50am
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  Reported as spam.
  
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  July 2, 2019 11:43am
- Happychappy
  
  I hope they have stopped taking advice from you Hugh as it’s taken Labour five years of listening to you and they still have not made any progress. Twyford is a walking disaster and hes your prodigy.
  
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  July 2, 2019 1:03pm
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    … and Happychappy, I had been a favorite with the Tories before that … check out the long history going back to 2004, when the Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Surveys were created .
    
    Check out the long history at http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org .
    
    Why blame me for your failures ?
    
    Are you learning anything ?
    
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    July 2, 2019 1:18pm
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      … UPDATE …
      
      … AUSTRALIA … THE HOUSING INDUSTRY ASSOCIATION REPORTS MASSIVE NEW HOMES SALES LIFT … WHILE NEW ZEALAND SLEEPS …
      
      … What are the New Zealand central and local government authorities doing to allow more affordable housing to be built … or in the ‘flight to affordability’ do New Zealanders resume migrating to Australia ? …
      
      New home sales bounced back: HIA’s Tim Reardon … Property Observer
      
      https://www.propertyobserver.com.au/forward-planning/investment-strategy/property-news-and-insights/100617-new-home-sales-bounced-back-hia-s-tim-reardon.html
      
      New home sales skyrocket on pent-up demand – MacroBusiness Australia
      
      https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/07/new-home-sales-skyrocket-pent-demand/
      
      Check Feb Update & 2019 Sections
      
      http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/
      
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      July 2, 2019 2:17pm
    - Happychappy
      
      I don’t have to learn Hugh as I am not someone that pushes crap on others like you do every day. You are like Winston only think of yourself when dropping your spew on this site.
      
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      July 2, 2019 3:37pm
Wayne Mapp

They are settlements. Once paid, the money is no longer public, it is for the tribe. And they all account to their iwi members, with annual accounts etc. If you are a iwi member you will get the accounts.

Virtually none have dividends to individual members, though I think the Ngati Whatua Orakei does make dividend payments, being a relatively small tribe. The other iwi make education payments and payments to each of the marae committees.

I am pretty sure Tainui and Ngai Tahu would still consider that they are still very much in the capital building phase. Because they are both so large, their annual accounts are published on a publicly available website.
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July 2, 2019 9:49am
- Tall Man
  
  But you feel they have no need to immediately and directly help their own people?
  
  An interesting attitude, just ask the rest of the actual tax payers to cough up a bit more……. awesome.
  
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  July 2, 2019 10:49am
- lastmanstanding
  
  And of course you are right Wayne. And thats the rub. Maori and in particular their so called leadership has never taken ownership of their own self created problems.
  
  Instead they have blamed Whitey colonialism anything and everything rather than the inability of Maori to take responsibility.
  
  This attitude has no only been supported by politicians it has been encouraged in a venal excuse to stir up trouble between the races to suit the politicians agenda.
  
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  July 2, 2019 1:42pm
hullkiwi

Yesterday, was a big day.
1. Eugene Sage, saved the planet – no more single use plastic bags. She has no answers except the bags we use in shops should have a life expectancy of use equal go 55 times (how do they measure that?). During an interview on Red Radio, and in response to a question about NZ being behind the rest of the world, she gave the response “we’ve had 10 years of doing nothing”.

And then….
2. Maori children are now saved from Oranga Tamariki. Instead after a “major legislative shake up”, the children instead are going to be placed with the whanau, hapu or iwi with some more money.
Does anyone see any problems with this? Maori children who were already at risk, are going to be placed with the extended family who failed to step in, in the first place.

Chances of better outcome? Probably close to zero.

Chances we’ll have the same issues in less than 5 years? 100% certainty.

Chances there will be no change in family situations, domestic violence and high children violence and death statistics? 100% certainty.

Why? Because despite the fine naive words by the likes of Andrew Beacroft, nothing has improved in the lives of the children and the perpetrators of the problems are still in place.

So when Beacroft feels the urge in 18 months time to complain nothing has got better, do us all a favour and resign, because you are part of the problem. Him and others blame the state institution for the failings rather than as Bill English was seeking to have done, address the problems in the family. Provide a chance of better outcomes and NZ might turn the corner on it’s sad child violence statistics. Playing around with the same old components, in the same old ways of the same equation will not give a different outcome!
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July 2, 2019 9:50am
- Notsofast
  
  Looking at oil, we find that 85% is burned and releases CO2.
  The other 15% is for other uses including plastic manufacture, which permanently locks the carbon except when the plastic itself is burned.
  1 part in 10,000 of the plastic used in New Zealand was the recycled “single use” bags, so Sage has banned the only reused, and smallest component.
  However, she is following world practice which is an obvious hoax, but to be expected from idiots. Until there is international understanding that plastic is a vital and permanent resource, there will be false hand wringing. If you cube a football pitch, not quite mathematical, but if so that is roughly New Zealand annual production. For the future resource it is logical to compress package and store. It can be reused when necessary in, say, 0ne million years, or even the year 2525.
  
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  July 2, 2019 1:33pm
kevn

@lms… Only solution is discover a tribal link in the family tree.
Get into it as an adviser or something. No experience needed it would seem.
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July 2, 2019 9:52am
Cunningham

Good to see Hayley Holt being called out for this. Really is a despicable attitude, feminism gone crazy!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/netball/netball-world-cup/113914162/hayley-holt-accused-of-discriminating-against-mens-sport-in-fiery-exchange-with-scotty-stevenson
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July 2, 2019 9:58am
- Tall Man
  
  Good reason not to watch her.
  
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  July 2, 2019 10:47am
- alloytoo
  
  She is just co completely oblivious to reality.
  
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  July 2, 2019 11:40am
  - Happychappy
    
    Just like Jacinda knows it all, but the PM got bought back to reality this morning.
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/07/midwives-involved-in-attempted-hawke-s-bay-baby-uplift-slam-prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-for-not-watching-video.html
    It seems that can’t be told.
    
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    July 2, 2019 1:12pm
  - sooty
    
    Is she blonde?
    
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    July 2, 2019 1:19pm
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Ritchie dodged one there, best pass he ever made imo
  
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  July 2, 2019 1:31pm
-D

Is the “social license” Jacinda refers to (in reference to ANZ) something new? Perhaps to be conferred informally by the sitting government…a bit like protection money…to insure non-interference in day-to-day private enterprise?
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July 2, 2019 10:06am
MCos

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So much for denuclearisation of North Korea.
It seems Trump is preparing some sort of deal whereby they keep their nukes in exchange for . . . . . . . peace and quiet.
It’s amazing what the pressure of an upcoming election will do.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/30/world/asia/trump-kim-north-korea-negotiations.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_190701?campaign_id=2&instance_id=10585&segment_id=14811&user_id=abd9183bba530bd1de28809b0afe38a6&regi_id=549441200701
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July 2, 2019 10:10am
- Inandout
  
  MCos, the NYT obviously still has TDS, the poor man can’t do anything without a motive lurking in the background. The voters luckily are really over the anti Trump material.
  
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  July 2, 2019 10:29am
  - MCos
    
    Everyone knows the NYT is not enamored of President Trump. Nothing new there. However that doesn’t mean to say this particular article is incorrect.
    
    In my opinion both sides of this conflict have got what they want, albeit in the short term as far as Trump is concerned.
    North Korea continues with the status quo at a minimum ie they keep their nukes and sanctions may even be lifted.
    The sordid business with Otto Warmbia is swept under the carpet. Otto who?
    
    Trump may even have the nerve to parade Kim Jung Un around Washington next year.
    
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    July 2, 2019 11:20am
    - All_on_Red
      
      The issue for NK is ongoing security. Look what happened to Gaddafi.
      In some ways the big threat to NK is China waltzing across that brand new big bridge they’ve built. Unless China gave some security guarantees then it’s going to be hard to convince NK to give up the nukes to keep China out.
      Kim would fear his own people teaming up with China to depose him. So…
      A bit easier with regard to SK as NK still has massive amounts of conventional artillery based within short range of Seoul as a deterrent. Nukes aren’t really the main deterrent. A torrent of shells killing 5 million + in 30 minutes is.
      So China is really the key part of this.
      Economically there’s a lot of advantage in China having access to NK labour and minerals etc.
      They would also like to see NK get rid of their nukes. Let’s face, those nukes probably aren’t very high tech and safe.
      Maybe the solution to de nuke will be the US, Japan and SK guarantee NKs safety against China?
      
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      July 2, 2019 12:39pm
- Scott
  
  MCos – I think Trump is doing a sound job with regard to North Korea. Remember when he took office they were firing off missiles and conducting nuclear testing.
  
  However its a difficult problem because North Korea has failed to bring economic prosperity to their people. So they have defined themselves as a nation with nuclear weapons. It is their signature achievement. So its very hard to bargain away.
  
  However Trump is doing the right thing by sanctions and diplomacy.
  
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  July 2, 2019 12:38pm
Maggie Pie

Everyone knows i’ve always been a real sucker for a nice chocolate.
I told my partner he needed have bothered

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=12245181
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July 2, 2019 10:19am
Fletch

Paddy Gower still going on about connections between “far right groups” overseas and the extremists here. He’s decided he is Tintin, intrepid reporter.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/07/absolutely-links-between-european-far-right-and-new-zealand-extremists-patrick-gower.html
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July 2, 2019 10:24am
Liberty

“The Fox river slime pit”

Disasters do happen and a toxic rubbish tip being washed down the Fox river and spread around the pristeen west coast is about as bad as you can get.
So what has our so called “well being : Government done to help. Basically stuff all.
Procrastinated over the technicalities on who should pay for it. Then come up with
$300,000 pittance. Meanwhile just up the road. To appease its friends Col have poured
Millions into a bottomless pit at Pike river.
In contrast To the Rena sinking on Astrolabe Reef.
National spent $130million.
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July 2, 2019 10:31am
- alloytoo
  
  Steven Joyce suggest they would have no money should a disaster eventuate……
  
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  July 2, 2019 11:35am
Hugh Pavletich

… HONG KONG …

Hong Kong police evict protesters who stormed parliament – BBC News

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-48832910

Hong Kong protests: at least 50 injured, reports say, after police fire teargas – as it happened | World news | The Guardian

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2019/jul/01/hong-kong-braces-for-huge-protests-on-anniversary-of-china-handover-live

Google NZ News Search ‘Hong Kong Protests’

https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=hong+kong+protests&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj754az65TjAhUISX0KHcuRCa8Q_AUIESgC&biw=462&bih=410
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July 2, 2019 11:26am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  China’s debt disease is infecting its housing market — Gwynn Guilford – Quartz
  h/t MicroMaker
  MacroBusiness Australia Links 12 June 2019
  
  https://qz.com/1615596/chinas-debt-disease-is-infecting-its-housing-market/
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  .
  China’s empty homes may prove a bigger threat than Donald Trump’s tariffs … Michael Janda … ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
  
  https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-14/china-vacant-property-empty-homes-donald-trump-tariffs/11082900
  
  Chinese property is extremely unaffordable
  
  https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-14/chinese-property-is-extremely-unaffordable/11113024
  
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  July 2, 2019 11:28am
  - atomic drop
    
    Your fellow Boomers hate you, Hugh. Its the Global debt bubble iinflating asset prices that allows them to take annual cruise ship holidays and buy a Harley Davidson in their retirement.
    
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    July 2, 2019 12:05pm
  - Tall Man
    
    sex and travel.
    
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    July 2, 2019 3:58pm
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      Hong Kong’s freedom generation was always going to rebel against its Chinese future – ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
      
      https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-07-02/hong-kong-young-people-would-always-fight-chinese-control/11271368
      
      The ransacking, the vandalism, the reckless violence of the protesters who stormed Hong Kong’s Legislative Council may have shocked the world, but few in the city would have been surprised. … read more via hyperlink above …
      
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      July 2, 2019 5:47pm
Lee C

Interesting coordinated hate-fest against Bridges.

We have Ardern hinting but not actually saying that Bridges is a Right-Wing White Supremacist, because he is unwilling to abnegate the nation’s sovereignty over migration policy.

It is not enough for Ardern to point out her difference of opinion about this in – you know accepted rules of debate – she appears rather to need to dog-whistle the idea that a vote for National is a vote for White Supremacists. So the ‘Bridges ordered hacking’ charge floundered so now she’s going for the ‘Bridges is a White Supremacist’ angle.

At the same time, her staunch confederate launches (yet another) ‘Bridges should resign’ tirade.

Peters, (wait for it) is upset that a Right-Wing nut job has threatened him, and appears to think that it the fault of Simon Bridges. Not because Peters attended right-wing supremacist meetings or signed far-right posters only a couple of years ago.

If a Right-wing nut-job s threatening Peters, I’d hazard it’s more likely because he is disillusioned that Peters appears to have conveniently forgotten the years of bile and hatred he spouted against immigrants and foreigners, – you know, before he became a poster-boy for the ‘wokes’.

So There you have it, a shark and its remora-fish scouring the oceans to scent just a droplet of blood so they can go full feeding frenzy.

Which one is the shark, and which is the remora, is the only outstanding question…
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July 2, 2019 11:28am
- alloytoo
  
  I confess confusion.
  
  How can Bridges be Maori and a white Supremacist
  
  That is not logical Captain.
  
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  July 2, 2019 11:38am
  - Tall Man
    
    He’s a really special guy.
    
    I’ve been telling you that for ages 😉
    
    Cue brett for a bit of anti Simon hate speech…..
    
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    July 2, 2019 3:57pm
- brett68
  
  Bridges will probably agree with Ardern and Peters, he’s that spineless.
  Imagine if Collins was in charge she would have torn them both a new one, compare that to Bridges who just rolls over and shows his belly.
  
  Worst National party leader ever.
  
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  July 2, 2019 12:41pm
  - Tony Stuart
    
    brett – it’s obvious what’s going on. Newshub desperately wants Bridges’ scalp, and Judith Collins to be appointed leader of National.
    
    But that’s only Step 1. Then they’ll reload all the ammunition of Collins’ past friendship with Slater, the Oravida non-story etc etc, and it’ll be non-stop attack all over again.
    
    The story last night was simply a hit-job by Gower. Bridges has stated repeatedly that he is not ruling anything or anyone in or out until election year, and that’s perfectly understandable. But then Gower makes out as though Peters and Bridges have been talking, and someone in Newshub gives the piece a misleading headline that bears no relationship to fact.
    
    As a National Party member, I don’t want the party going anywhere near Peters, but I can understand Bridges not wanting to burn his bridges this far out from the election.
    
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    July 2, 2019 12:58pm
    - brett68
      
      But that’s only Step 1. Then they’ll reload all the ammunition of Collins’ past friendship with Slater, the Oravida non-story etc etc, and it’ll be non-stop attack all over again.
      
      Christ, No one even knows who Slater is, the guy had 5 minutes of fame years ago and was quickly forgotten.
      
      They will not attack her, Newshub wants to champion Collins because they like her, she appears on their AM show and she rates well.
      
      As a National Party member, I don’t want the party going anywhere near Peters, but I can understand Bridges not wanting to burn his bridges this far out from the election.
      
      You do realise that Bridges not ruling out Peters just handed Peters the Kingmaker crown in 2020, what’s Bridges going to do, give the prick 10, 15, 20 billion dollars to play with? because it’s now going to be a full-on bidding war between Labour and National.
      
      Bridges is a fucking idiot.
      
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      July 2, 2019 1:12pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        “They will not attack her, Newshub wants to champion Collins because they like her, she appears on their AM show and she rates well.”
        
        You are so naive
        
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        July 2, 2019 3:16pm
      - Happychappy
        
        That’s the pot calling the kettle.
        
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        July 2, 2019 3:24pm
      - brett68
        
        If you think Bridges can beat Ardern in 2020 you’re deluded.
        
        Bridges has been ridiculed (a lot of it is justified)for the past 18 months, his brand wasn’t great to start with but it’s completely shot to bits now and it’s only going to get worse in election year.
        
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        July 2, 2019 3:53pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        *no one* will *beat* Ardern.
        The only way the Nats will win the Election is;
        a) The Maori Party win back two seats- so a coalition. And the Nat leader is irrelevant really for that.
        Or
        b) enough of the public wake up to how useless she and her colleagues are and turn against her.
        
        National support is rusted on. Blind Freddy could lead the Nats and it wouldn’t change.
        
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        July 2, 2019 4:28pm
      - brett68
        
        Which is why you need to have a leader who can pull people across from the the other side.
        
        Bridges is not that leader, he will never be that leader.
        I agree with you about nationals support being welded on, I’m amazed the vote for National has held up with Bridges in charge, he’s been an absolute train wreck.
        
        As for that nonsense about Collins been divisive that’s a load of bullshit pushed around by old Christian guys who want Bridges as leader because of his religious views, nothing more.
        
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        July 2, 2019 4:49pm
      - KevO'Brien
        
        What would it cost to set up a republic for Peters on Auckland Island?
        I sense he won’t retire: his self view doesn’t comprehend his evident health difficulties. Is mild dementia appearing too?
        
        We need a mechanism to retire embedded MP’s.
        
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        July 2, 2019 6:22pm
      - nasska
        
        ….”a load of bullshit pushed around by old Christian guys who want Bridges as leader because of his religious views”….
        
        In a nutshell. As if any more proof was required National’s 18 for 37 against split over the End of Life Choice bill last week demonstrates that the Catholic mafia have cemented their takeover.
        
        There remains the small problem of attracting a few hundred thousand votes from the centre to push them over the line but I’m sure that God will send a miracle to reward His servants.
        
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        July 2, 2019 7:16pm
- Psycho Milt
  
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  Interesting coordinated hate-fest against Bridges.
  
  Well, if Bridges doesn’t like people pointing out that his misrepresentation of the UN migration pact reflects the agenda of right-wing extremists, he could always just stop misrepresenting the UN migration pact.
  
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  July 2, 2019 12:49pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    How has he misrepresented the UN Migration Pact?
    Citations might be useful
    
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    July 2, 2019 1:05pm
    - Psycho Milt
      
      Sure, here you go:
      
      Today on Stuff
      
      Simon Bridges:
      “…we believe that New Zealand should decide our own immigration settings, not the United Nations.”
      
      Legal advice provided to the government (and to Bridges):
      “Legal advice from Crown Law said the pact in no way undermined sovereignty or the ability for New Zealand to set its own laws, instead containing “political or moral commitments only”.
      
      The pact itself has absolutely no legally binding force.”
      
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      July 2, 2019 1:33pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Thanks for that.
        Yet there is language within the opinion which means the Courts could refer to the Compact as a reason and justification for their decisions.
        For some reason I can’t copy from your link but note the ambiguous language in Summary Para 3
        “Courts may be willing, however, to refer to the Compact and take the Compact into account as an aid in interpreting immigration legislation or policy, especially if this is not clear. Etc”
        The implied Mandate we commit to in Background Para 5
        Note too Intention Para 7. By signing it we signal our Intention is to agree- which could be inferred as being Binding.
        Note the last sentence in Form and Binding Para 10
        ‘Such resolutions are not in themselves considered legally binding by the International Community, except opinion very rare cases’
        
        I could go on but there’s a lot of language in this opinion which means it could become binding and more concerning our Courts (not Parliament) could use it to influence their decisions.
        Lastly, we don’t need to sign it.
        We can make our own Policy.
        
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        July 2, 2019 2:18pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        *except in very rare cases*
        Damn auto predict.
        Still, worth noting this part again anyway. Exceptions often become precedent.
        
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        July 2, 2019 2:22pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Judging by this opinion pice by Todd McLay it looks like I’ve found the reason why National doesn’t like it.
        ‘If they don’t follow through those governments will not only lose face internationally, but they very well may find that our own courts are more willing to uphold the commitments we sign than they are.’
        
        Activist Judges
        https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/11-12-2018/the-real-reasons-we-oppose-the-un-global-compact-on-migration/
        
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        July 2, 2019 2:38pm
      - Ross12
        
        Another view
        
        “In a frank exchange with Germany’s Chancellor Angela Merkel, Mr. Hebner of the AfD drew out an admission that it is, in fact, legally binding. As well, that it will be adopted as rule for all UN Member states once enacted.”
        
        https://voiceofeurope.com/2018/12/they-lied-the-un-migration-pact-is-legally-binding-and-could-be-valid-for-all-countries/#.XBVPIR1LQ9A.mailto
        
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        July 2, 2019 3:38pm
      - Tall Man
        
        So who is the voice in the wilderness?
        
        https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/10/31/austria-rejects-un-migration-pact-defend-national-sovereignty/
        
        https://www.politico.eu/article/austria-migration-europe-will-not-sign-un-treaty/
        
        http://eumigrationlawblog.eu/eu-states-exit-from-the-global-compact-on-migration-a-breach-of-loyalty/
        
        https://edition.cnn.com/2018/11/20/australia/united-nations-migration-pact-intl/index.html
        
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        July 2, 2019 3:54pm
      - tf78
        
        PS – it wasn’t binding at the actual time of signing but a few days after it had been signed all of a sudden it was binding.
        
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        July 2, 2019 4:56pm
      - Jack5
        
        Judas Peters kissed goodbye to another slice of his voters by NZ signing this Leftist pact.
        
        The old fool committed NZ “politically and morally” to an open border.
        
        But for those worried about Bridges’ leadership: you get to vote for him only in Tauranga. For the rest of us the decision is where to put our party vote. And National is still ahead of Labour.
        
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        July 2, 2019 6:56pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Judith needs to take the reins before Xmas. That will give her time to take Cindy apart piece by piece so that by election time she’s a gibbering wreck.
      
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      July 2, 2019 4:10pm
  - KevO'Brien
    
    So could the COL.
    
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    July 2, 2019 6:23pm
- Yvette
  
  What media reports on the UN Migration Compact now, conveniently for Winston, omit is the fact that, despite being a legal expert (for Russell McVeagh between 1974 and 1978, about 41 years ago) Winston and others found the Compact to be lacking enough in “face value” clarity that legal advice was sought before signing it –
  • New Zealand votes for UN migration compact after legal advice.
  • Government legal advice says UN Migration Compact doesn’t compromise sovereignty.
  • Foreign Minister Winston Peters sought legal advice before signing New Zealand up to a controversial UN pact on global migration.
  
  Other countries –
  US President Donald Trump withdrew his country from negotiations shortly after taking office, while Italy, Israel, Poland and Switzerland are among those who will not attend the Morocco conference.
  
  Australia will not sign a United Nations migration agreement it helped negotiate “in its current form”, Peter Dutton has declared, insisting it is a matter of sovereignty. “We’re not going to surrender our sovereignty – I’m not going to allow unelected bodies dictate to us, to the Australian people.
  It’s not in our national interest to sign our border protection policy over to the UN”
  
  So, in a sideways jump in logic –
  Winston Peters condemns National leader Simon Bridges’ stance (and international example) on the UN Migration Compact –Peters says there are too many connections to the far right – deliberate or not – for Bridges to continue as leader of the Opposition, and he’s calling on him to resign. “Any normal person, in the political setting, would say this is untenable; he’s got to go”.
  
  But, of the names and references Christchurch terrorist Tarrant apparently painted on his weapons, the remark recorded on a rifle butt – “Here’s Your Migration Compact! – is more likely a message intended for Winston Peters than Simon Bridges.
  
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  July 2, 2019 1:26pm
Fletch

The Herald reports – business confidence at a 10 year low –

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12245766
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July 2, 2019 11:30am
- stoptheboats
  
  feelz and hugs are absoludely absent for business under present Kindness regime – wait til that downdraft shows up in tax revenue crashing!
  
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  July 2, 2019 12:51pm
KevO'Brien

Has th sun lost its mojo?
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-07-01/devastating-crop-losses-are-literally-happening-all-over-globe
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July 2, 2019 11:33am
Maggie Pie

There’s that old saying that goes ‘You never knew what you had till its gone’
I couldn’t stand Andrew Dickens on 1ZB. But O.M.G. – who are these two retards that have replaced him? Come back Andrew. All is forgiven!
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July 2, 2019 12:27pm
- Cobolt24
  
  Apparently they were on ZM in the 90s up to the early 2000s. I liked listening to Andrew.
  
  He’s still on each Monday.
  
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  July 2, 2019 8:35pm
Fletch

AOC lies about visiting a detention centre and seeing women drinking out of toilets. Screams at guards and refuses to tour the centre.

Just left the 1st CBP facility.

I see why CBP officers were being so physically &sexually threatening towards me.

Officers were keeping women in cells w/ no water & had told them to drink out of the toilets.

This was them on their GOOD behavior in front of members of Congress.

— Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@AOC) July 1, 2019

The woman is a straight out liar –

SCOOP: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., screamed at federal law enforcement agents “in a threatening manner” during a visit to a U.S. Border Patrol facility in El Paso, Texas, Monday afternoon and refused to tour the facility, according to two people who witnessed it.

— Anna Giaritelli (@Anna_Giaritelli) July 1, 2019

She comes out screaming at our agents, right at the beginning [of the tour] … Crying and screaming and yelling,” said one witness who said he was stunned by the outburst in front of approximately 40 people.

“The agents, they wanted to respond, but they held back because she’s a congressional delegate. But when you have someone yelling at you in a threatening manner … ” the same person said. “They were like, ‘Hey, you need to kinda step back.’”

The congresswoman told the group she would not go with the 13 other House Democrats on the tour of the facility and stayed with the family.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/aoc-screamed-at-border-patrol-agents-in-threatening-manner-during-tour-witnesses

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2019/07/01/so-she-lied-looks-like-aoc-just-got-royally-busted-for-lying-about-her-horrifying-experience-at-a-cbp-detention-center/
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July 2, 2019 1:20pm
- Tall Man
  
  “AOC has to be one of the most incompetent liars in politics. ”
  
  Nope, compared to ardern she’s a rank amateur.
  
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  July 2, 2019 2:37pm
  - toby1845
    
    Bwahahahahaha……..
    
    I saw what you did there!
    
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    July 2, 2019 6:14pm
- sooty
  
  Photo oportubity bigly’
  Tazer the bitch! With the cameras rolling!
  
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  July 2, 2019 3:56pm
- mandk
  
  Tucker Carlson showed a clip of AOC putting on a great show of histrionics, supposedly looking through a fence at a detention facility.
  
  The joke was that the camera panned round and revealed that all could be seen was a near-empty parking lot.
  
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  July 2, 2019 4:12pm
John Warren

Yawn. Another diversity moanfest. And I know it’s hardly news, but how in God’s great name is Golriz Ghaharaman in any fucking way qualified to speak on defence matters?

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/393444/calls-for-more-ethnic-gender-diversity-in-new-zealand-defence-force
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July 2, 2019 1:32pm
- Jules99
  
  It’s ‘indicators’ see. Not brain actually engaged here.
  
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  July 2, 2019 1:52pm
- Jack5
  
  Ghaharaman is an idiot.
  
  The figures she supplies suggest that 15 per cent of NZ permanent (i.e. “regular”) armed forces are Maori. The latest population figures at Statistics NZ show that 15.3 per cent of the NZ population was/is Maori.
  
  On top of that, there will be as many “white” NZ soldiers, sailors, and air men, with some Maori ancestry who do not identify as Maori, and may not even know they are part Maori.
  
  Add to that our military’s endless hakas, Maori concert parties, and Maorification of NZ war history, and you can see that Ghaharaman is telling porkies – again!
  
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  July 2, 2019 3:10pm
- John Warren
  
  It’s a classic case of a fox in charge of the henhouse. At least the odious Ron Mark has actual military experience.
  
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  July 2, 2019 7:16pm
- Kabull
  
  In my many years experience, including some worrying about how to improve recruiting, I can tell you that by-and-large Asians do not regard military service as a natural career. I can also say that some of the best people I had were from Samoa and Nuie.
  There is no barrier to any person joining so long as they meet the necessary education and physical requirements.
  I would also comment that the number of females in all services – particularly Navy and Air Force – is significant. Indeed, the Navy could not operate without its women.
  This report is shabby journalism.
  
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  July 2, 2019 8:58pm
Prince

Finally, a ‘draft plan’ to address growing suicide numbers.
All you need to know is, as usual, no targets, no measurements.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/113921721/every-life-matters-governments-draft-plan-for-a-no-suicide-future
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July 2, 2019 1:43pm
- mandk
  
  “Every Life Matters”
  
  Except the lives of babies in the womb.
  
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  July 2, 2019 2:37pm
  - gravedodger
    
    And the around one a week dropped on its head by mum’s current squeeze??!!
    
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    July 2, 2019 5:30pm
    - sooty
      
      Didn’t you know brown babies bounce!
      
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      July 2, 2019 6:12pm
    - John Warren
      
      Ah, those poor kids that need to be uplifted before they’re downdropped.
      
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      July 2, 2019 7:07pm
  - Jack5
    
    Has any society ever been able to be suicide free?
    
    It’s complicated. In Northern Ireland, suicide rates soared after the violence and danger of the troubles ended.
    
    But,according to the World Health Organisation (second link below), New Zealand ranks only 53rd in ranking of countries by proportion of suicides. A higher proportion of people kill themselves in 52 other countries.
    
    We have fewer suicides per capita than Australia or the United States, or Japan, France, Sweden, or South Africa.
    
    But regardless, it seems wrong to me to condemn
    all suicides. Don’t judge someone suffering terribly for wanting an end to life.
    
    The Northern Ireland peace effect:
    
    https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2016/01/conflict-mental-health-northern-ireland-suicide/424683/
    
    International suicide rates:
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate
    
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    July 2, 2019 5:56pm
Happychappy

You can always see when Winston’s Party polling is not where he thinks it should be as he attacks people to create animosity. He is a devious spineless germ that should be exterminated from NZ Politics and is only interested in one thing that’s Winston Peter’s.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/07/that-s-a-fact-winston-peters-confident-simon-bridges-will-not-be-national-leader-in-2020.html
The biggest handicap for NZ Politics
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July 2, 2019 2:43pm
- mandk
  
  Peters is just a bitter and vengeful old man.
  
  He can’t get over Simon Bridges humiliating him in the Tauranga electorate in 2008.
  
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  July 2, 2019 4:03pm
rangitoto

Good grief. Australian university bans scientific fact.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7194759/University-staff-tell-students-Indigenous-people-Australia-dreamings.html
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July 2, 2019 2:52pm
Jack5

Michael Reddell is in form today on Fonterra …

NZ’s state “money pots”, the Superannuation Fund and ACC, will “most likely” end up having to bail out Fonterra. That is one of Reddell’s conclusions.

He takes us through Peter Fraser’s talk in Wellington, a story of Fonterra being sold to NZ as a path to obtaining a local Nokia or Nestle, and the disappointment trail.

Sounds, to me, as though the country was conned.

https://croakingcassandra.com/2019/07/02/apocalypse-cow/
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July 2, 2019 2:57pm
mandk

Provincial Growth Fund being used to fund …

… PGF managers!

https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/pgf-supports-manufacturing-and-tourism-k%C4%81piti

It takes a lot of hard work and ingenuity to spend $3 billion.
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July 2, 2019 3:56pm
kloyd0306

Gay activist bully and Qantas CEO Alan Joyce is now in CYA mode. Hooray!

With Federal Law on his side, Folau can go after RA for unwarranted dismissal on religious grounds and thus RA can point the finger at Joyce for causing this entire drama by threatening to withhold Qantas’ sponsor money.

Joyce is the problem, not Folau. Joyce got his knickers in a twist over “gays going to hell”, a well known quote from the Bible yet Qantas/Joyce has yet to condemn the Islamic practice of throwing gays off tall buildings and/or disallow Muslims from flying on Qantas flights.

According to Joyce, Christians cannot attack gays but Muslims can.
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July 2, 2019 4:29pm
- SPC
  
  Identify the quote in the bible saying “gays are going to hell” then?
  
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  July 2, 2019 5:22pm
  - nasska
    
    You’re onto something there. The Left-footers prefer their gays to remain celibate but there’s not a lot of info in the Good Book to back up their stance.
    
    Though the Old Testament, in particular, is fairly comprehensive when it comes to punishment for misdemeanours. eg
    
    God kills Jehoram by making his bowels fall out 2 Chr.21:14-19
    
    God sends two bears to kill children for making fun of Elisha’s bald head 2 Kg.2:23-24
    
    And the lot of woodgatherers was not always a happy one:
    
    A man who picked up sticks on the Sabbath Num.15:32-36, BT
    
    But not a lot on the “beast with two backs” as our idiot, Godaddled, boarding school headmaster used to bang on about. 🙂
    
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    July 2, 2019 6:44pm
    - Swifty
      
      Good grief – have you ever heard such nonsense?
      
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      July 2, 2019 8:35pm
  - BananaLlama
    
    It depends on your interpretation of Corinthians.
    
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    July 2, 2019 6:52pm
    - SPC
      
      https://www.news.com.au/sport/sports-life/two-replaced-words-crippled-israel-folaus-bible-verse-defence/news-story/5d99538df841c0a98212bf1a186e3f65
      
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      July 2, 2019 8:26pm
      - BananaLlama
        
        Like i said it depends on your interpretation of this
        
        Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God?
        
        Folau and his father think that means going to hell.
        
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        July 2, 2019 11:58pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Let’s not let the principle get stuck with the semantics.
    
    “Not going the heaven is the equivalent of going the hell in my mind”….
    
    However, going to the “labour youth camp” is probably the same sort of thing.
    
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    July 2, 2019 7:33pm
    - SPC
      
      1. Not all Christians regard “kingdom of God” as always meaning the same as “heaven”.
      2. Belief in there being a “heaven” for some does not indicate that others go to hell.
      
      For example where the kingdom of God was the church and the church did not include all.
      
      As for principle and semantics, Christians are instructed, not to add or take away from the word when quoting it.
      
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      July 2, 2019 9:17pm
Fletch

Big free speech question on 1 News tonight, with the Police knocking on the door of some people who may have left so-called “anti-Islamic” flyers in a supermarket carpark. The occupants questioning their right to free speech while the Police claim to have engaged some kind of expert in the field. There is talk of monitoring social media etc.

Meanwhile, in the story directly after, police in Australia swoop on some youths planning an attack in the name of ISIS. Some of the youth had planned to go to Afghanistan etc.
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July 2, 2019 6:20pm
Fletch

On the Breakfast show this morning – questioning why the 3 year term limits are so short for NZ governments and why there aren’t more MPs. Some expert reckons our terms are the shortest in the world, and maybe we should make it 4 years because a govt can’t accomplish its goals in only three.

https://www.facebook.com/Breakfaston1/posts/10157228037322719
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July 2, 2019 6:24pm
Jack5

I wonder how the Ministry for the Environment is getting on with its online form for informing on retailers who use banned plastic bags:

https://report-plastic-bag.paperform.co/
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July 2, 2019 6:49pm
- Tall Man
  
  Good to see they have their priorities right.
  
  Where is the form for reported maori parents beating the snot out of their children?
  
  Where is the form for reporting an over exposure to ardern’s bullshit?
  
  Where is the form for reporting the re-emergence of cullen and clark who were given the arse by New Zealand voters over 10 years ago?
  
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  July 2, 2019 7:55pm
- Fletch
  
  Un-fricking-believable. It’s like we’re turning into a police state – informing on each other over plastic bags???
  
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  July 2, 2019 9:11pm
Swifty

Heh.

A woman complains about a poster up in RJH’s gym in Wellington – Sir Bob proceeds to ban her from the gym.

https://nopunchespulled.com/2019/06/26/this-day-and-age-of-entitlement/

Classic.
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July 2, 2019 6:57pm
- Tall Man
  
  Good for him.
  
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  July 2, 2019 7:48pm
  - sooty
    
    That’ll teach her!
    
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    July 2, 2019 8:58pm
greybeard

Bloody hell.
SBW named in AB’s squad again.
What info does he have re Hansen ?
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July 2, 2019 7:19pm
- mandk
  
  You have to wonder.
  
  He hasn’t done anything of note on the rugby field in three years or more.
  
  He used to be noted for his offloads, but most prop forwards can do that sort of stuff nowadays.
  
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  July 2, 2019 8:25pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Is he there as injury cover for Walter Little?
  
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  July 2, 2019 8:40pm
  - sooty
    
    What’s going to happen with the sponsers advertising that he covers up?
    
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    July 2, 2019 8:57pm
greybeard

Mike Hosking, Peter Williams and Sean Plunkett seem to be doing the National Party’s job for them these days.

Where the hell is the Opposition ?
Where is Bridges ?
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July 2, 2019 8:47pm
Fletch

Look at Paddy Gower spouting total bullshit again about how the “far right” has infiltrated into NZ, and that National is complicit because they oppose the Migration Compact that Labour signed.

https://www.facebook.com/NewshubNZ/videos/vb.97548423605/463994617493271/?type=2&theater

Paddy is in WAY over his head here. He is beginning to sound like a conspiracy theorist. When it is pointed out to him by Duncan Garner that both Australia and the U.S have also not signed the compact, he is like, but yeh Trump is anti Muslim and so is the new Ozzie PM.

The man actually sounds full of hate. NZ’s version of Jim Acosta.
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July 2, 2019 9:39pm
BrownSnake

Psst psst for Kiwi boggers only exclusive

Had to have plastic for the Captains Cooked Eggs?

Psst I got some of the good stuff?

Contraband the real good stuff
White and Pure and Clear and pure
Plastic

These 2 eggs might remind you of something else
put psst psst have look

https://www.bigstockphoto.com/image-235108453/stock-photo-two-eggs-in-a-plastic-bag-are-ready-to-be-poached-while-cooking-eggs-bededict-for-brunch

Those are eggs you grandmother would be happy to suck

I hear 2 holes in the bag and they make good
incontinence britches as well

I always wear them when checking for
Skin Heads under the bed in case

You know I get too excited

If your Commo neighbour DOB’s you

2 holes and wear them

Officer I do not support Trump?

I need this plastic bag for medical reasons?

I do ran out of tinfoil

Big mess on the floor otherwise

Do you want to check my ring

No there are not any up there?

But you are welcome to check

Enjoy the view or Uranus
or is that Jupiters or Saturns Rings

Good after a Hot Curry holds it all together

Plastic Bags

Save the Whales

Tharr she Blows
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July 2, 2019 10:56pm
Jack5

Jacinderellla says “red tape” got in the way of a Government move to declare a “climate change emergency” – as proposed by the Greens’ Clueless Chloe. Jacinderella says she still backs declaring an emergency.

Red tape? When we charitably thought that old Peters had been backroom blocking this in penance for his betrayal of voters over the UN Global Migration Pact.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/393547/council-taken-to-court-over-lack-of-action-on-climate-change
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