General Debate 28 July 2019

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Jack5

“Chaos, tear gas and anger” … the headline on the South China Morning Post’s report of this weekend’s protester battles in Hong Kong.

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/politics/article/3020366/another-weekend-hong-kong-chaos-tear-gas-and-anger
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July 28, 2019 10:34am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  The good folk of Hong Kong don’t like being squashed down by the jackboots of China.
  This is not going to end well.
  
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  July 28, 2019 10:54am
  - kowtow
    
    The vast majority of HKers are not into the illegal confrontations with the police .
    Be wary of whose version of the truth you subscribe to.
    Yes this will not end well , but the blame will be with the Young Turks who appear to want to provoke the violence.
    
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    July 28, 2019 11:09am
    - V
      
      Yes lets believe the Triad gangs who were attacking the protestors.
      
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      July 28, 2019 3:46pm
  - JibberJabber
    
    They`re pining for the benefits and freedoms of Colonialisation.
    
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    July 28, 2019 1:01pm
Tony Stuart

The Warriors got the rough end of the pineapple from the NRL referees last night, for the fourth successive week. This time, it cost them a match-winning try with time almost up, when the final pass from Roger Tuivasa-Sheck was ruled forward when it clearly and obviously was not. NRL rules do not allow the Bunker to review forward passes.

Big ups to the TAB, who made the decision last night to refund all bets placed on the Warriors for this match, calling it a “justice payout” and a “disgraceful refereeing decision”.

Had they won last night, the Warriors would be inside the Top 8, and looking good for finals football. As it now stands they have lost touch with the eight. The NRL needs to admit the refereeing error, which wasn’t the only one in the match. Somehow, Parramatta managed to go from the ninth minute to the last play of the game without conceding a penalty. That’s either exceptional discipline (no, it wasn’t), or the referees only refereeing one side.
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July 28, 2019 10:37am
- igm
  
  Good to see TAB accepting the injustice . . . we have for years, in all sports, been on the rough end of Aussie refereeing decisions (as bad as South African), yet it gets blown over.
  Come on sports administrators, grow some nuts and take action!
  
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  July 28, 2019 10:54am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Regrettably, it’s now so obvious that it’s starting to look like the NRL has the referees on some kind of financial reward to keep the Warriors out of the finals.
  From the land of underarm bowling and sandpapering the ball, that wouldn’t be surprising.
  
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  July 28, 2019 10:58am
- Humble Capitalist
  
  Maybe the Warriors should try being 10 points in front going into the last couple of minutes more often. Always lurking outside the top 8 at this time of year with a hard luck story about it
  
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  July 28, 2019 10:58am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    With the lop-sided penalty count last night, they really didn’t have the chance to get ten points ahead. I only saw the last fifteen or so minutes, but even in that time there were two occasions where Warriors players were stripped of the ball with two or three players in the tackle, and there was no penalty given.
    
    And the RTS “forward pass” was a Sonny Bill-like offload out of the back of the hand, that was clearly propelled backwards (see photo on the link below). Even Fox Sport Australia is saying the Warriors were dudded, and 81% of respondents on a poll there say the Warriors were robbed. It was a shocker.
    
    https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/teams/warriors/controversy-as-forward-pass-call-robs-warriors-of-golden-chance-against-eels/news-story/371a9a2e6415772b390470b77f0fff4d
    
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    July 28, 2019 11:40am
- gravedodger
  
  Some numpty from NRL HQ at Moore Park will come out about Wednesday with yet another Mea Culpa, “we might have got it wrong” and with the white wash having been applied, all will move on.
  
  There are serious problems in the upper echelons of League Au but Greenburg seems powerless to solve anything.
  
  Is Kearney in any danger, his post match comments might become another headache for The Warriors, that said good on him for calling it out, they sure have had the leafy bit of the pineapple perilously near their posterior. Even Wayne Bennett might have been moved to speak.
  
  Meanwhile the costs of the incompetence incurred by the Warriors Board keep mounting up
  
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  July 28, 2019 11:17am
  - V
    
    Could be worse, could have the Vicar of Dibley in charge like Rugby Australia!
    
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    July 28, 2019 3:48pm
- alex Masterley
  
  Tony,
  Perhaps NRL referees should be introduced to the four way test?
  Or are there different rules when the Warriors play?
  
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  July 28, 2019 11:29am
- MCos
  
  NZ is small beer on the sporting front; including rugby. We generate little income for the broadcasters, administration or sponsors.
  Consequently we’re at the bottom of the food chain if there’s a big call.
  Imagine the turmoil in world cricket if India had lost the World Cup in the way we did, or we had bowled under arm or sandpapered the ball?
  When Fred Goodall gave a couple of bad decisions against the Windies they refused to come out onto the field and Croft deliberately barged into the umpire with no repercussions. Our team would have been hung out to dry.
  
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  July 28, 2019 12:33pm
- G152
  
  Australians cheat.
  Shouldn’t be news to any-one
  
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  July 28, 2019 1:07pm
- Humble Capitalist
  
  So every time theres a dud call affecting a game will the TAB refund my account?
  
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  July 28, 2019 1:13pm
  - V
    
    ^This. It is TAB virtue signalling, marketing promotion. A win is a win is a win, never seen a referee change his mind during a game, probably never will.
    
    The Warriors should either have got more points ahead in the game, or better yet, not rely on scraping into the Top8.
    
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    July 28, 2019 3:50pm
- calendar girl
  
  Did the NZ TAB pay out to those who bet on the “winners”, Parramatta?
  
  I presume so, but good on the TAB for refunding bets placed on the Warriors.
  
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  July 28, 2019 6:38pm
Humble Capitalist

While the poverty, housing and climate crises deepen Jacindarella swans around the pacific islands (again!). Jacinda fiddles while The Socialist Republic of Aotearoa burns.
How much jet fuel are you burning my dear old champagne Socialist hypocrite? All in the midst of a climate emergency! What an example youre setting to the kids who will also believe its fine to sip cocktails, burn thousands of tonnes of fuel, while lecturing us about these crises
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July 28, 2019 10:40am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Not just jet fuel. The HMNZS Otago runs on diesel
  
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  July 28, 2019 11:12am
- MCos
  
  “while The Socialist Republic of Aotearoa burns.”
  
  We’re not socialist, we’re not a republic & we’re not burning.
  Agree with everything else. She should convert all the airports into electric car factories and golf courses into housing precincts for the destitute.
  
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  July 28, 2019 12:50pm
  - Humble Capitalist
    
    Are you suggesting a golf club buy back scheme?
    
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    July 28, 2019 1:46pm
Maggie Pie

Goodness. I thought it was supposed to be a week of fun and celebration.
I really do hope everything is okay? 🙁

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EAeZ3YvUYAEv5nw?format=jpg&name=900×900
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July 28, 2019 10:48am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Has she lost so much weight that her engagement ring no longer fits Maggie? That’s a terribly unflattering photo; the PM looks gaunt and stressed out.
  
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  July 28, 2019 10:53am
  - mikenmildagain
    
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    Concern noted.
    
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    July 28, 2019 11:16am
    - Steve Todd
      
      Yes, it’s a bit of a worry. She’s clearly working far too hard. Hopefully, her parents will take this opportunity to have a quiet word with her.
      
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      July 28, 2019 12:19pm
      - kevn
        
        @Steve… Not so much ‘working’ hard’ if you please.
        A part-time PM.
        
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        July 28, 2019 12:46pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        C’mon, kevn. Part time? Really? Surely you’re not suggesting that women, especially those with both spousal and parental support, can’t be mothers *and* prime ministers at the same time. Shame on you.
        
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        July 28, 2019 1:19pm
      - Tall Man
        
        Working? Are you serious?
        
        She disappeared during the last break and left “what’s in it for wynston” with the keys to the till and now she’s off with “daddy” for a birthday party.
        
        She is a very lazy MP and PM.
        
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        July 28, 2019 8:01pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Concerned are noted as well
      
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      July 28, 2019 6:05pm
  - toby1845
    
    I disagree, Tony. She looks better than normal in that pic.
    
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    July 28, 2019 8:48pm
- Lizziep
  
  I hope it is not ok, she is off on a junket while the country falls further down the rabbit hole and into communism. Her handling of the crisis with Fletchers land is so shocking I am beyond words. What is this saying for all home and land owners in NZ?
  
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  July 28, 2019 11:31am
  - artemisia
    
    Fletchers – it’s just a conversation and we know where they go.
    
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    July 28, 2019 12:07pm
  - Steve Todd
    
    “I hope it is not ok, […].”
    
    What you’re saying is, you are happy to see our prime minister quite possibly working herself towards some sort of breakdown. That’s terrible! What sort of a human being are you?
    
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    July 28, 2019 12:32pm
    - igm
      
      Would not be too offended . . . Ardern endorsed the crud who made a record referring to the raping of John Key’s daughter . . . she deserves no special treatment . . . you reap what you sow!
      
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      July 28, 2019 5:05pm
    - toby1845
      
      Steve Todd: Frankly, I wouldn’t be at all concerned if she did have a breakdown. She has absoludely bought (mis-spelt on purpose, ‘cos that’s how she says it) it on herself. It would save the rest of us a power of hurt down the track.
      
      It might make her woke supporters wake up (no pun intended.)
      
      Entirely.
      Her.
      Fault.
      
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      July 28, 2019 8:57pm
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      If you take on two full-time jobs you end up doing neither well.
      By her own admission, Ardern does not spend enough time with her child – sometimes not seeing her at all for a couple of days at a time. This is not good for a child so young to have long separations from her parent, and First Fish obviously tired of the task quickly, who is the child bonded with as primary career?
      Then there’s the little matter of the pig’s ear Ardern is making of the other full-time job. You know, that one we’re paying her royally to do.
      
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      July 28, 2019 10:29pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        What about the other mothers (of young children) in parliament, including Sarah Dowie and Erica Stanford? Are they doing a bad job of both roles, too?
        
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        July 29, 2019 10:47am
      - toby1845
        
        Not that I’m aware of, Steve. It’s only the ones who keep pushing themselves into the limelight, like JA. JAG springs to mind as another.
        
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        July 29, 2019 11:47am
      - Steve Todd
        
        Oh, I see.
        
        So, off the top of my head, Ruth Richardson was a failure as both a mother and Cabinet Minister?
        
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        July 29, 2019 12:21pm
- pdm
  
  Cripes – she is starting to look gaunt and haggard like her mentor Helen Clark – before photoshopping.
  
  I see Fran O’Sullivan gave Ardern a serve about her appearance and dress standards too.
  
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  July 28, 2019 1:09pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Jacinda Ardern has opened a can of worms:

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/shows/2019/07/peeni-henare-warns-government-buying-ihumatao-land-will-undermine-every-treaty-settlement-done-to-date.html

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/07/ardern-is-promoting-illegal-behaviour-at-ihum-tao-says-act.html
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July 28, 2019 10:50am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Peeni Henare has reiterated this morning that it is a “mana whenua issue”. The mana whenua has already, by a vote of 75 to three, endorsed the sale to Fletcher’s.
  
  https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/the-sunday-session/audio/peeni-henare-ihumatao-is-a-mana-whenua-issue/
  
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  July 28, 2019 10:55am
  - Brian McDonald
    
    You mustn’t have read the link Tony both sides say they are mana whenua.
    
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    July 28, 2019 11:05am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Where were the ones who claim to be mana whenua when the issue was put to the vote? Did they not bother to turn up, or did they not regard themselves as mana whenua at that time?
      
      75 to three equates to greater than 95% support for the Fletcher’s proposal, which included provision for housing to be made available for iwi.
      
      The hypocrisy of the Greens needs to be called out as well. For years, they railed against National for causing a “housing crisis”. Now, when land has been purchased to enable dozens of affordable homes to be built, they oppose it. Make of that what you will.
      
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      July 28, 2019 11:32am
      - sooty
        
        What ever side wins it’s going to cost dollars!
        
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        July 28, 2019 11:39am
      - Brian McDonald
        
        From something I read on FB by the group who did the deal with Fletchers, excluded from the vote Tony. Try to keep open minded, in fact go visit the site and report back with some personal knowledge. Put another way the gathering of people there exceed the totality of the vote you quote. It looks like the effort is being made to heal the rift, so don’t count your chickens yet. From an outsiders point of view it seems both groups want to achieve the same things but the debate is how – probably easier to solve that difference than we know.
        
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        July 28, 2019 12:12pm
  - Brian McDonald
    
    I read last night that mana whenua who agreed to the Fletcher proposal believe they are restrained by the Waitangi Tribunal Act (I think) which excludes privately owned land being taken from it’s current owners (something which will likely be up for debate at another point in time.) I don’t see how Fletcher’s, a business entity, becomes a private owner in terms of say a farmer or a family. There is also the longstanding issue that if confiscated land taken by a Government can be legisltated by the same Government not to be returned to the former owners or for any decisions regarding it not to be tested in Court, particularly withe BORA in mind. It may well go forward to being a historical watershed in NZ history at some point in time. Ironically, Maori now have the advantage of both learning and administering the Law which they didn’t have in 1840. I don’t like using anecdotes because they are often abused on here for someone to prove a point so make of this what you will. I spoke casually to a young polynesian man in a role of authority yesterday and he, I’d say sort of sheepishly, said he was thinking of going to Ihumatao after work – that was after I finished saying I was looking forward to the sport last night. I saw the PM talking about listening to the ‘young people.’ They are active over a wide spectrum now re Oranga Tamariki, Justice and marijuana reform – they are also voters. It makes me wonder about the wisdom of the Nats having part Maori leader and co-leader who are outside that circle of change. It’s been evident that with the MP gone Bridges and Bennet might have been seen as helpful in picking up that lost vote – but at the moment they’re on the sidelines and possibly going backwards if the ‘leaked papers’ as to internal polling are anything to go by. That in itself is a point, tit for tat, leaked budget report etc. I don’t know if it benefits anybody but the dirty politics is getting dirtier and thin veneers become transparent. As for the young polynesian man, people of my age may remember that there was no loss of love between Maori and Polynesians decades ago, the Polynesian Panthers being solely (I think) advocating the rights of Polynesians but with a third generation under way of living, schooling and working together they may be finding more in common with that relationship than with their white ‘brothers.’ I also note when working, many immigrants from else where other than the islands exchanging with co-workers the term ‘bro.’ NZ is sure changing.
    
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    July 28, 2019 11:46am
    - Albert_Ross
      
      “I don’t see how Fletcher’s, a business entity, becomes a private owner” – seriously? Businesses don’t get private property rights?
      
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      July 28, 2019 12:40pm
      - Brian McDonald
        
        That’s the point.
        
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        July 28, 2019 2:19pm
- igm
  
  She is what was once referred to as a “Clueless Clot”!
  She is useless, out of her depth, and unelected to the position she is debasing.
  
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  July 28, 2019 10:57am
  - stephieboy
    
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    igm , careful what you say as it already haunts you!
    
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    July 28, 2019 11:16am
    - Charmaine Hawke
      
      No she is a post turtle
      
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      July 28, 2019 11:49am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Wow stephie, with all the stuff you have spouted here over the years, you’re the last person who should be cautioning someone else about their past comments haunting them.
      
      Where are you Nostradamus?
      
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      July 28, 2019 11:50am
      - Brian McDonald
        
        Nostradamus may have not liked the proposition of a view months ago that ‘anonymity’ for those outing others or racially targeting groups was going to be more scrutinised. At the time it was said that people were going to leave in droves and the blog, because of that. would die was a wide reaction. Anyway whatever the reason things have changed since March of this year. It’s unusual that the new mods are now anonymous – wouldn’t think there was a need for that.
        
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        July 28, 2019 12:21pm
- dubya
  
  The Ardern regime will be remembered as one which stopped the construction of hundreds of houses people wanted to buy, whilst building tens of houses no one wanted to buy.
  
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  July 28, 2019 11:02am
  - sooty
    
    Helen had her foreshore moment.
    Will this be the end of Cindy?
    
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    July 28, 2019 11:41am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      One can only hope so.
      
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      July 28, 2019 11:51am
  - kevn
    
    @dubya… and knocking landlords/rental homes out for a six.
    
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    July 28, 2019 12:57pm
niggly

So it’s actually been the week from hell for Labour (not that the MSM are directly saying so – they are skirting around the issue and other twats like Tova are sniffing around the place checking if Simon farted in the lift so she can report on it as “big news”)!

I’m talking about the Ihumātao land protest.

The Government have been totally “blind-sided” by this protest … but they shouldn’t have as this land protest had been simmering away for a long time. I understand protesters have been camped there for months and things only escalated last week when the eviction notice was presented. The Govt should have been on the ball that something will happen as a result!

Cue the Greens activist MP’s and its Co-leader appearing on the scene almost instantaneously which suggests this is an issue being discussed in the activist community and that it was time to “lend support”. Why didn’t Labour’s Maori Caucus warn Jacinda and the leadership?

Then we have those same Greens activist MP’s and its Co-leader directly undermining the coalition Government by rejecting the agreed-to formal processes to deal with land disputes.

(And where is the other Green Co-leader James Shaw in all of this? Hiding in a corner with his hands over his head? Does he also support Marama Davis’ knifing of Labour or not)?

We have lead protester Pania Newton calling Jacinda out, expressing disappointment in her (perceived lack of) leadership and continuing to do so.

We have Labour’s Maori caucus fighting a rear guard action forcing the likes of Willie Jackson to speak out both corners of his mouth – on the one hand they have to support the deal (processes) on the other hand today Willie is reported as saying he supports the protesters! Which one is it big fella?

Meanwhile the protesters are calling Jacinda out for not attending any dialogue huis.

(Wait until the protesters realise that Jacinda has escaped on a one week “tropical holiday” – they will scream out she doesn’t care for them)!

Talking about Jacinda escaping the fray and being in Tokelau Islands for a week (and only accessible by ship), isn’t that what David Lange did in 1985 to escape the controversy that was building over the ANZUS ship visit row?!!!

Is Jacinda turning into a David Lange – just doesn’t have the stomach for hard work and avoiding confrontation??!!!

Any bets she will eventually stand down?? 😉
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July 28, 2019 10:57am
- sooty
  
  Mike Bush, drpped the ball on this one.
  He will be getting the reaming on the nineth floor with a pineapple when she gets back.
  She will be picking a big rough one!
  
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  July 28, 2019 11:45am
  - niggly
    
    Good points! Maybe then when all else fails it’s time for the ~~Woman’s Weekly~~ MSM “soft interview exclusives”, at the family home of course, that way MSM on super bestest behavior and non-confrontational, in case they maybe get to cuddle the wee one afterwards of course (and get the selfies to prove it happened)! Except for Aussie MSM banned of course!
    
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    July 28, 2019 12:15pm
    - Deadly pony
      
      That sounds super! Hillary Barry can bake scones.
      
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      July 28, 2019 1:03pm
- Brian McDonald
  
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  Pania Newton thanked the PM for her attendance, that was reported on TV last night. Their were Ministers of the Crown on site yesterday so JA’s holiday didn’t need to be put off. Your not reporting the facts, either that or you are not up to date. Anyway the Government is not likely to cop some flak but not for the reasons you’ve misrepresented. If you understood the protest you would understand that both sides have the same issues, it’s the way to solve them that is the contest. All the MP’s have said that it television interviews after the PM spoke, maybe your watching the wrong TV channel or just being niggly.
  
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  July 28, 2019 12:30pm
wreck1080

The govt has now labelled doctors and nurses as non financial members of the KKK.

Disgraceful.
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July 28, 2019 10:57am
- sooty
  
  Out! Brothers out!
  
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  July 28, 2019 11:46am
- Sacha
  
  I wondered if she has gone to visit Dad to plan her withdrawal – but still keep her UN ambitions on track –
  Quite frankly, if I were her, I would.
  
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  July 28, 2019 12:56pm
  - Paulus
    
    She is already scheduled to be at the next UN meeting in New York in September.
    She will have alerted her special PR company to be there for her, him and babba as she needs a new job to save New Zealand.
    Shit, I always knew it was tough at the top doing whatever you want at somebody else’s expense.
    
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    July 28, 2019 1:26pm
  - sam green
    
    She’s gone to Tokelau. Her father is the High Commissioner to Niue.
    
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    July 28, 2019 1:58pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Ross Ardern is the Administrator of Tokelau.
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11960450
      
      His gig as the High Commissioner to Niue ended in May 2018.
      
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      July 28, 2019 2:17pm
      - sooty
        
        Are they going to build new 5 star accom for him?
        
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        July 28, 2019 2:25pm
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        Sam Green once again proves himself to be an ignoramus.
        
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        July 28, 2019 7:18pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Oops… dummy alert!
      
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      July 28, 2019 7:56pm
- Sacha
  
  This sort of nonsense is getting too silly for words.
  I just laugh and ignore. Once upon a time an editor would bin rubbish like that..
  
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  July 28, 2019 1:00pm
- G152
  
  The Health sector should carefully record the names of the politicians who said that.
  At some stage those politicians will fall ill and would never agree to the KKK treating them so name them and shame them.
  And dont treat them
  
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  July 28, 2019 1:18pm
- Billy Collins
  
  What is this referring to? Link?
  
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  July 28, 2019 2:12pm
Sofia

Various sources identify iwi Te Kawerau a Maki as the Maori related to the Ihumatao land in question.

Te Kawerau ā Maki Deed of Settlement Summary 22 Feb 2014
When the deed is signed and settlement legislation is passed it will be a final and comprehensive settlement of all historical (relating to events before 21 September 1992) Treaty of Waitangi claims of Te Kawerau a Maki. The settlement legislation, once passed, will prevent the iwi re-litigating the claim before the Waitangi Tribunal or the courts.
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In 2017, the campaigners took their fight to the United Nations hoping for a government intervention to address alleged breaches under the Declaration of the Rights of Indigenous People.

The UN report recognised that consultation and consent from Māori had not been adequately sought.
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1709/S00267/open-letter-to-pm-follow-the-advice-of-un-over-ihumatao.htm – Open Letter to Prime Minister: Follow the advice of UN over Ihumātao, to Bill English, 11th September 2017 [12 days before the 2017 Election]

Can it be taken from this information then that the UN has indirectly questioned an iwi acceptance, that of Te Kawerau ā Maki, of a Waitangi Tribunal negotiation and Settlement?
And has the Government – presumably the now Labour-lead Government – addressed this?
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July 28, 2019 11:06am
KiWombat

Good to hear that Stefan Sunde has been elected to the National Party board this morning.

Hopefully – here comes the broom !
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July 28, 2019 11:10am
- sooty
  
  Better hope so as there could be an early election
  
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  July 28, 2019 11:47am
- MCos
  
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  The first one to sweep away should be John Key. He’s had his day, but I see they’ve dragged him out for a whole lot of selfies at their conference.
  It’s an admission that Simon thinks he’s struggling.
  
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  July 28, 2019 12:06pm
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Why wouldn’t Key go to the conference MCos? He’s still a financial member of the party, and that’s all you need to attend a National Party event. Would you be equally critical of Helen Clark attending Labour Party events? Oh, wait…
    
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    July 28, 2019 12:41pm
    - Tall Man
      
      How about helun having an office at the Beehive along with heather? How about ardern taking her “mentor” with her on every trip and no, I didn’t mean “dealer” I meant helun… although Maggie’s last pic of ardern does tend to make one wonder a tad…..
      
      How about cullen being brought back and paid handsomely rewarded for figuring out how to screw us for more tax?
      
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      July 28, 2019 1:00pm
    - MCos
      
      Depends what they’re there for.
      It seems Plenty of MPs just wanted to have there photo taken with him as if some of his former sparkle might make them look the better for the connection.
      
      This FB post with the accompanying photo from Nikki Kaye is excruciating to a neutral reader
      
      “Catching an uber back from a conference dinner with a few nats including John Key – thank you Sam our Uber driver you were awesome!❤️?(ps we were discussing the need to work on my selfie skills ?)”
      
      https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/07/national-mps-flock-to-get-selfies-with-sir-john-key.html
      
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      July 28, 2019 1:10pm
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Yes, or how about Heather “H2” Simpson being given a plum job in Ardern’s office, and appointed as the head of the government’s working group on Health.
      
      At least John Key is paying his own way in the world, not relying on the incumbent government to pay for him.
      
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      July 28, 2019 1:12pm
  - Sacha
    
    I don’t think that Simon holds the key as to who attends the national conference.
    I think it’s time to look at the party, not just its leader.
    
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    July 28, 2019 1:03pm
TripeWryter

I listened to Andrew Dickens this morning on NewstalkZB interview Peeni Henare, a government minister (of what I can’t remember) about Ihumātao.

I’m not sure the minister was all that helpful. Certainly not informative.

I’ve tried to catch up on this protest and make some sense of it.

As I understand it the protest leaders – including the personable-seeming and articulate Pania Newton – are not from the iwi that matters.

Yet this does not seem to be probed very deeply by our news media. Where is she from? What is her legitimacy to be there and to protest?

Our media – particularly the TV people – have lost their objectivity on this.

Why are we not seeing and hearing more from the iwi people who actually live on the area of land? Is it because the leaders are elderly Maori men who don’t have law degrees and never been to Maori Studies classes at university, and so don’t count?

As I said, I’m trying to make sense of this matter. I have no other interest in it. I am not Maori. I am not affected by this. I need no persuading one way or the other.

But I would like to see better coverage of both sides.
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July 28, 2019 11:12am
- kowtow
  
  ‘I am not affected by this’
  
  Every New Zealander is affected by this.
  
  The attack on private property rights, the extension of government into private affairs and the current waste of tax payers money ( police resources) and potential future waste ( more taxpayer expenditure if land is bought) should be of the gravest concern to all right thinking citizens. .
  
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  July 28, 2019 11:49am
  - artemisia
    
    It’s a wonder there are any police resources available for Ihumatao. Aren’t they all at the gun buybacks, protecting empty queues and their fellow officers?
    
    Some even catching bad people, if that’s not too much to ask.
    
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    July 28, 2019 12:17pm
    - Jules99
      
      And guarding Mosques?
      
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      July 28, 2019 1:48pm
  - TripeWryter
    
    kowtow: I thought the point I was making was that I am a disinterested (which is not uninterested) observer.
    
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    July 28, 2019 2:07pm
- brett68
  
  https://www.magic.co.nz/home/news/2019/07/pita-turei-cuts-through-the-complexities-to-explain-the-facts-at.html
  
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  July 28, 2019 12:19pm
- KevO'Brien
  
  To the media strife is news and giving a platform for it adds to the news.
  To call out the PM is to invite retaliation and withdrawal of sources.
  The Oath of Office does not require specific duty to faithfully administer the laws of NZ. It’s basically an oath of allegiance to Her Majesty. Time for Royal intervention?
  
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  July 28, 2019 12:47pm
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I’m not sure whether climate change denial should be declared seditious or more appropriately a mental illness with these stark facts,

Europe’s Saharan heatwave sees record temperatures | ITV News

The heatwave in Europe has seen southern France placed on an unprecedented red alert, with the country recording its hottest day ever, and firefighters in Spain battle wildfires on a scale not seen for 20 years.
MeteoFrance said Villevieille in the southern region of Provence reached 45.1C (113.2F) on Friday afternoon, France’s hottest ever temperature since records began.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPHaUH7-P4M

Climate change warning as Arctic Circle burning at record rate ,

“An unprecedented outbreak of wildfires in the Arctic has sent smoke across Eurasia and released more carbon dioxide in two months than the Czech Republic or Belgium does in a year.

As 44C heatwaves struck Europe, scientists observed more than 100 long-lasting, intense fires in the Arctic in June, the hottest month on record, and are seeing even more in July, according to Mark Parrington of the European Centre for Medium-Range Weather Forecasts.

Mostly in Alaska and Russia, the infernos have collectively released more than 120 million tonnes of CO2, more than the annual output of most countries. It is the most carbon emitted since satellite monitoring began in the early 2000s….”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/07/27/climate-change-warning-arctic-circle-burning-record-rate-forest/
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July 28, 2019 11:15am
- lilman
  
  Give me the temperatures for the preceding
  6 days and the 5 days after Friday?
  
  Have a look,then tell me there is a heat wave,lying prick.
  
  All other days are atleast .05 to 1 degree lower than the average for that month.
  
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  July 28, 2019 11:38am
  - mark15
    
    It’s hot in the desert dontcha know!
    
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    July 28, 2019 12:55pm
  - backster
    
    Yes the European heatwave is getting wall to wall coverage but no mention of record low July (summer) temperatures in the Southern United States. In one of the records in France the record temperature was taken on top of tiles. It broke the previous 1921 record by one tenth of a degree but that was taken ‘in the shade.’….We are being manipulated Stevie.
    
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    July 28, 2019 2:37pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I wonder why our MSM isn’t reporting the record Low temperatures being experienced in the USA at the moment…
  
  https://weather.com/forecast/regional/news/2019-07-23-record-july-cold-plains-south
  
  Arctic Fires burning at an unprecedented rate…
  Great Headline… gets repeated every few years I note.
  
  Such a pity folks don’t do a bit of research
  into the validity of such claims…
  
  Then they might learn of the regular cycles of Arctic fires and the great fires in the 1730s, 1770s, 1850s, mid 1930s, 1970s that swept through hundreds of thousands of square km in Arctic Eurasia
  
  Vakurov, A.D. 1975. Lesnye pozhary Severa [Forest fire in the north]. Moscow, Nauka, 100 pp. .Valendik, E.N. 1990. The struggle with big forest fires. Nauka.
  
  or read Chapter 4 here:
  https://www.press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/distributed/A/bo44893518.html
  
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  July 28, 2019 11:48am
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    MW . all part of the climate change scenario namely extreme weather events,
    
    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/climate-change-and-extreme-weather/
    
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    July 28, 2019 1:27pm
    - rangitoto
      
      All part of normal weather.
      
      Let us know when you have unequivocal evidence that climate variations have any significant anthropogenic component.
      
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      July 28, 2019 2:01pm
    - Andrei
      
      LOL – “extreme weather events” are “evidence” of AGW now
      
      As Maggie pointed out Artic Wildfires have been recorded for centuries but no matter.
      
      A mild winter is “evidence” for AGW and so is an unusually cold one.
      
      We cannot debate with you “get ready” men – any random factoid can be pulled out of your arse to “prove” your thesis
      
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      July 28, 2019 2:26pm
    - andydownhere
      
      No. Originally it was called Global Warming. That wasnt going to plan so was renamed Climate Change. Well the climate is always changing. Its called the weather. So calling something Climate Change makes the followers of the messiah, Al Gore, never wrong. Inconveniently Al Gore was wrong. But financially for him he was right. I bet he is laughing sitting back now in his emission burning mansion thinking, that hockey stick graph hasnt come true. But who cares. I’m rich!
      
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      July 28, 2019 4:37pm
  - wreck1080
    
    This exact scenario has been predicted with uncanny accuracy by scientists. In the weather.com link, the cold temps are explained as a shift in the jetstream….
    
    Instead of its usual midsummer location in the northern U.S., the jet stream plunged sharply into the East and South this week, pulling cooler and drier air deep into the South
    
    And, it is not a coincidence that climate researches have predicted this effect…
    
    https://insideclimatenews.org/news/02022018/cold-weather-polar-vortex-jet-stream-explained-global-warming-arctic-ice-climate-change
    
    How is the jet stream changing?
    Research shows that over the past several decades, the jet stream has weakened. There’s also evidence that as it wobbles, it can get stuck out of kilter, which can lead to more persistent weather extremes, including heat waves, cold snaps, droughts and flooding.
    
    Scientists say there is strong evidence that human-caused global warming has altered the strength and path of the powerful winds.
    
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    July 28, 2019 1:49pm
    - backster
      
      Other scientists maintain it is the weakening of the Solar and Earths electro magnetic shields and the rapid reversal of the North and South magnetic poles that is causing the jet stream distortions.Now even NASA has stated that the next solar cycle will be the weakest for 200 years. That means cold not hot.
      
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      July 28, 2019 2:44pm
    - David George
      
      There is no evidence that this is “human caused” or, indeed, that CO2 has any affect on climate at all.
      While CO2 is a powerful green house gas its ability to interact with outgoing energy (electromagnetic waves in the infrared band) from the earth is strictly limited to a small part of the spectrum – 14.5 to 15.5 microns.
      Even at less than 100ppm CO2 fully accounts for all infra red in it’s reactive wavelength – adding more has no effect. A good explanation of this here.
      https://towerofreason.blogspot.com/2018/04/co2-is-not-driving-global-warming.html
      
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      July 28, 2019 3:41pm
- The Feed
  
  “I’m not sure whether climate change denial should be declared seditious or more appropriately a mental illness ”
  
  Who denies that climate changes? It has always changed.
  
  Perhaps some “believers” should be returned to school to take a reasoning class. Certainly some of them will be suffering from mental illness.
  
  Fish. Barrel.
  
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  July 28, 2019 11:59am
  - KevO'Brien
    
    When the climate change mob admit the Hadrut deceit and affirm the UN stating they could not make climate prediction I might open my ears again.
    
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    July 28, 2019 12:52pm
- Ross12
  
  Have you read about the record or near record low temps that some parts of Russia have had this summer stephieboy?
  It does prove anything one way or the other just like a few hot days in the middle of summer in Europe.
  
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  July 28, 2019 12:28pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Ross12, not now as severe heatwave the brought record temperatures to Western Europe now has moved north resulting in unprecedented forest fires in the Arctic, Alaska and Greenland,
    
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/26/unprecedented-more-than-100-wildfires-burning-in-the-arctic-in-worst-ever-season
    
    Note the worst ever scene!
    
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    July 28, 2019 1:42pm
    - rangitoto
      
      Have a look at the windy.com predictions for the next week. The warm spell fizzles rapdily followed by well below average temps.
      
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      July 28, 2019 2:08pm
    - freethinker
      
      Taking a Guardian report is likely to be as accurate as the number of Kiwi Builds.
      
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      July 28, 2019 5:24pm
- Billy Collins
  
  The coldest recorded temperatures were just in the late 70s, early 80s. That didnt mean global cooling. Having hotter days doesnt mean global warming either. That’s all circumstantial.
  
  Im not saying its not happening, but all you have is circumstantial evidence. If you think it’s so obvious but can’t present the smoking gun, then maybe you are the one in denial.
  
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  July 28, 2019 12:58pm
- kloyd0306
  
  I am going to assume that you have no heating options in the basement of your Mum’s house.
  
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  July 28, 2019 1:05pm
mikenmildagain

Happy World Hepatitis Day!
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July 28, 2019 11:18am
- Lizziep
  
  You are a very sick person.
  
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  July 28, 2019 11:34am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    Yes, but I have not yet added hepatitis to my collection of afflictions.
    
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    July 28, 2019 3:32pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Plenty of time mikey, do your best.
      
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      July 28, 2019 5:17pm
- kevn
  
  @mma… All the fuss about no GD and that’s the best you have to offer? Really?
  
  [Mod: Yes, really. That’s what was deleted from the previous thread]
  
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  July 28, 2019 12:09pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Come on, that’s a high point for mikey…. nothing snide at all……….. Yet!
    
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    July 28, 2019 1:05pm
Nukuleka

I note that the protestors at Ihumatao are branding themselves as ‘protectors’. And the progressive propagandists at RNZ are endorsing the label.
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July 28, 2019 11:20am
- kevn
  
  @Nuku… They are flocking there from all over NZ.
  I do wonder how the ‘protectors’ are being transported, fed and getting so much time off work at short notice.
  
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  July 28, 2019 12:18pm
Maggie Pie

Went to early Mass this morning and brought home a pack of Krispy Kremes for lunch.
My partner was just showing me a tweet from the UK SUN, where the Church of Cyprus Orthodox Bishop claims to have discovered what makes people Gay.
Although like a lot of the other commenters i’m not so sure….

https://twitter.com/TheSun/status/1155054526069710856
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July 28, 2019 11:29am
- Stephen James
  
  Best laugh I’ve had today. Thanks Maggie.
  
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  July 28, 2019 11:50am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Goodness…
  I wonder what other interesting aspects of human biology are covered in the Church of Cyprus’ theological classes.
  
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  July 28, 2019 11:52am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Yes, well that’s right Maggs – at least we know better.
    
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    July 28, 2019 12:09pm
  - dubya
    
    Didn’t Cyprus once seriously consider an official sanction of pederasty as a population control measure?
    
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    July 28, 2019 1:23pm
- kowtow
  
  The great thing is he can express his ( ridiculous) opinion and we in the west can ridicule him .
  Meanwhile in theocratic Iran……..
  
  ‘The US and Germany have condemned Iran after its foreign minister defended the policy of execution for homosexuality.’
  
  https://www.dw.com/en/iran-defends-execution-of-gay-people/a-49144899
  
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  July 28, 2019 12:55pm
tranquil

Very good video here –
“Ten things you should know about socialism” –
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFrrovr7GVs
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July 28, 2019 12:33pm
RightNow

Who would make a deal with Maori now?
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July 28, 2019 12:42pm
MrTips

I forgot about these. https://youtu.be/mQKRAJTgEuo
Boris recites the Iliad, in ancient Greek, from memory.
And who could forget his magnificent homage to Erdogan: https://www.google.com/amp/s/qz.com/688126/would-you-like-to-read-boris-johnsons-dirty-goat-sex-limerick-about-the-turkish-president/amp/
Johnson is brilliant and flawed; a buffoon and a genius. He is a modern day Chesterton and Churchill inspired man. He is hated by media and progressives because he represents, and more to the point, KNOWS, what made Britain great.

Reciting the Iliad won’t get Brexit done, but it indicates a mind sharper and more acutely nimble than Europe wants in a British PM, who knows where his culture came from.

Carpe Diem BoJo.
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July 28, 2019 12:44pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  I’m in the process of reading Johnson’s biography of Churchill, and he certainly has a way with words. His speech in the Commons the other day was excellent, and Corbyn will be no match for him in the House or on the hustings.
  
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  July 28, 2019 1:22pm
  - mikenmildagain
    
    I preferred Roy Jenkins, but Churchill is a difficult subject.
    
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    July 28, 2019 3:59pm
All_on_Red

Latest UK Polls
YouGov:
CON 31% (+6)
LAB 21%

Delta Poll:
CON 30% (+10)
LAB 25%

Opinium:
CON 30% (+7)
LAB 28%

Boris has got the bounce he wanted
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July 28, 2019 12:45pm
Shut the hell up you Fascist!

Dropped into the Nats conference in Chch today.

There were a dozen protestors outside banging on about climate change and cows.

Noted that:

– Nearly all the protestors were over 55 years of age.

– Believe young people will willingly give up cars and mobile phones.

– Peaceful intentions (the government will do the ‘force’ bit for them).

– Single issues

– No sense of negative impacts of their plans

– A desire to return to a kind of Garden of Eden

– The delusion, despite their pitiful numbers, that everyone supports them except for ‘business’

– A strong need to tell other people off

Dickheads!
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July 28, 2019 1:03pm
- stephieboy
  
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  Tell us more about your political agenda?
  
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  July 28, 2019 1:37pm
  - The Feed
    
    Perhaps it is to avoid idealist idiots getting their way and the costs quickly overwhelming the country, resulting in destruction of all we hold dear.
    
    You see, without income, we can’t have the things – like education, welfare and health. If we significantly reduce income and increase costs, we have less of those things.
    
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    July 28, 2019 1:55pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Tell us more about your lunacy.
    
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    July 28, 2019 4:52pm
- The King
  
  Cursed boomers.
  
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  July 28, 2019 3:06pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

Lesson for land development and building companies; don’t get involved with projects on Maori land.
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July 28, 2019 1:17pm
- kevn
  
  @Urban… Long time ago I had a place on maori leased land. Perpetual lease I was told 21+21+21.
  Gummint changed the rules to 7+7 and then go, leaving the improvements = house, behind for the landowners.
  
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  July 28, 2019 2:16pm
  - MCos
    
    Many years ago I did some house drawings for a couple of people who were part owners of a piece of Maori land.
    They went to a lot of trouble securing permission from all the other owners, but then they had nothing but obstruction and ill will from council personnel.
    It seems back in the gold rush days prospectors could stake a claim on Māori land and build a temporary hut. Problem was a lot of these temporary places remained after the rush, became permanent and improved over the years as they were handed down through the generations.
    However
    No matter how long they’d been there they were illegal and on land that didn’t belong to them.
    You can guess the rest.
    
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    July 28, 2019 6:54pm
  - Komata
    
    Kevn
    
    Re: ‘…Leaving the improvements = house, behind for the landowners’.
    
    FWIW the short version of a very long story. Many years ago, a very successful farmer of leased Maori land that he had taken on because it was bar had the amount of his lease increased spectacularly after developing the best farm in the district. Despite repeated attempts at negotiations, the iwi refused to back down. The new amount stayed. Rebuffed, the farmer then sold his herd and bulldozed EVERYTHING flat, including all all internal fences. Nothing remained; the land was once more bare. The iwi, because it was the best farm in the area (and they had definite aspirations about it), objected loudly and strenuously. The farmer’s reply: ‘I took this land on when it was bare, unusable and unwanted. You did nothing to help me over the years and were content to take the money. After I made the farm into one of the best around, you increased the rent out of all reasonableness and when I attempted to negotiate, you didn’t want to know. This is how I got the land from you, this is how I’ve returned it to you. Goodbye’. The land is now once more, bare, unloved, and unused.
    
    As I said, FWIW: It would seem that ‘greed’ is still alive and well…
    
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    July 28, 2019 7:14pm
- Scooter
  
  But JA says NZ is open for business
  
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  July 28, 2019 10:29pm
Tony Stuart

Proof, if it were needed, that there IS a God, and he’s been listening to the prayers of New Zealand rugby fans since last night:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/114562769/all-blacks-v-south-africa-brodie-retallick-escapes-serious-injury

The Big Guz is still on track for the World Cup opener against South Africa on 21st September, and that’s almost the best news I’ve heard today.
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July 28, 2019 1:20pm
tranquil

Another great vid (By Stefan Molyneux) –
“Sunset in the Golden State” –
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIuy7zjW4l0

He **really** sticks it to the people running California. Includes a great bit where he fronts up to the LA City Council and asks “how are you going to pay for these programs?”
The answer? “Please stick to the agenda, sir.”
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July 28, 2019 1:28pm
The Feed

You know it’s bad for “Jacindamania” when even the resident devotees at The Standard – yes, you read that right – finally see through it all.

thestandard.org.nz/jacindamania/

The only question now is how long it will take the womens magazines – and the slowest of them all, the MSM?
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July 28, 2019 1:34pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  I’ve just read that post. I don’t know who “Advantage” is, but he/she’s hit the nail right on the head.
  
  Here’s the link to click through: https://thestandard.org.nz/jacindamania/
  
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  July 28, 2019 1:39pm
  - kevn
    
    @Tony… I gulped and clicked. My first time at Stranded. Seemed a sensible post. Didn’t bother reading the comments though.
    
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    July 28, 2019 2:12pm
    - Tall Man
      
      You missed out on poor psycho’s pathetic defense of ardern…
      
      “Psycho Milt 6
      28 July 2019 at 10:18 am
      This is the weakest leadership on policy of any government since the last term of Holyoake, 60 years ago.
      
      Gee, it’s almost as though a government that has no electoral mandate for significant change and consists of three parties with conflicting policy agendas, might struggle to push through a coherent policy programme of significant change. But that can’t be true, right? It must be lack of leadership on Jacinda Ardern’s part.”
      
      He’s still under ardern’s spell.. poor little snowflake.
      
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      July 28, 2019 5:14pm
- Albert_Ross
  
  Well, yeah, but again when you look at the things that the Standard is castigating Jacinda for not having done – how much of it is stuff that we would actually want to see the Government getting done?
  
  If we must have a Labour led government, then one that is totally incapable of delivering any of its promises is infinitely preferable to one that actually succeeded in bringing them about.
  
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  July 28, 2019 1:59pm
  - The Feed
    
    Many see her and her government as incompetent. Yes, many there want it pulled even further left, which is a good thing – for the right – as it will be unelectable and result in the lefts demise.
    
    Bodes well.
    
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    July 28, 2019 2:14pm
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    Yes, luckily they have not done as much as they want to.
    Which is why, if the polls are close next year I will be giving my party vote to NZ First, as I am sure that’s the only thing that has been holding them back.
    
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    July 28, 2019 5:52pm
    - Tall Man
      
      Oh dear.
      
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      July 28, 2019 7:45pm
- Yvette
  
  There’s no substantial reform of social welfare, in particular no raise in base welfare levels, so no improvement in poverty levels this term. That’s another generation of 25% of our children. – The Standard, linked above
  
  I understand Budget 2018 made 384,000 families $65 a week better off and more was to come (up to $75 a week when fully implemented) so is the Standard fibbing or the Government mis-spoken?
  
  And, rather crucial, if true, did an extra $65 a week make a blind bit of difference?
  
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  July 28, 2019 3:57pm
  - Batman
    
    That lot have always wanted benefits restored to the pre-1991 levels. So you’d basically be paying beneficiaries a livings wage as far as I can tell… Talk about no incentive for work
    
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    July 28, 2019 5:08pm
  - DigNap15
    
    Yes it did.
    There are now lots more day long parties in my suburb.
    And the higher rate has attracted more people to go onto to benefits, aided by the lack of sanctions.
    
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    July 28, 2019 5:51pm
    - alloytoo
      
      Higher benefits are due to immigration don’t ya know.
      
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      July 28, 2019 8:52pm
Maggie Pie

There’s always someone thats prepared to stick there neck out 🙁

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EAfSxj8WsAAU3XW?format=jpg&name=900×900
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July 28, 2019 1:37pm
Jack5

Government departments’ armies of public relations staff are highlighted in a Radio New Zealand report.

PR staff now far outumber reporters who write about the departments. Some PR staff are hidden from public eyes as contractors.

The Transport Agency in one year doubled its communications in one year to 60 people. The Defence Force and the police each have more than 30 in their communications teams.

The worst aspect is that the big PR staff seem designed to tail information and restrict some facts from being reported. Interviews with State staff in some cases are being blocked and, instead, statements are issued. This manages negative news.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/audio/player?audio_id=2018705810
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July 28, 2019 3:06pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  This is a trend that has been developing for many years. A lot of comms teams seem to be moving more into marketing too, under the misapprehension that the ‘brand’ of specific agencies is some kind of proxy for whether the agency concerned is effective.
  
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  July 28, 2019 3:36pm
- Steve Todd
  
  No surprises there, Jack. It started about 30 years ago, as I recall.
  
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  July 28, 2019 3:38pm
- kowtow
  
  The irony is that RNZ is the PR department for the current regime.
  
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  July 28, 2019 3:41pm
- Jack5
  
  Edit: PR Staff seem designed to withhold information and …
  
  Sorry.
  
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  July 28, 2019 3:42pm
Kabull

Here is a ‘makes me think’ article that gives a little bit of background into how we have got to this dreadful position regarding ‘man-made’ climate change. When connected to Agenda 21 it is very easy to see that there is a subtle master-plan driving all this.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/07/07/whatever-happened-to-agenda-21-and-climate-change-policy/

Here is a demolition of ‘heatwave’ and ‘hottest day’ claims that tends to strengthen the idea of an organised international propaganda campaign:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-j0ykCVAQVM

Stuff is joining with other international media to push a stronger line of climate change. Look for growing volumes of fear-mongering in the run up to and during Climate Change Week 16-23 September.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/114526071/stuff-joins-over-60-global-news-outlets-taking-strong-stance-on-climate-change-coverage
“Stuff’s aim is to make the realities of climate change feel urgent, tangible and unignorable for New Zealanders. We see this international media push as a sign of the scale and universality of the challenge,” Stuff editor in chief Patrick Crewdson said.
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July 28, 2019 3:44pm
- mikenmildagain
  
  A ‘subtle master plan’?
  Now that you have been made to think, could you let me know who is behind this master plan? Is it the Illuminati? Cultural Marxists? Freemasons? Zionists?
  
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  July 28, 2019 5:40pm
  - Tall Man
    
    Stupid avaricious pricks and con men.
    
    To be fair, it’s only the crooks that keep peddling it…
    
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    July 28, 2019 7:44pm
Tall Man

I sent an email to Simon Bridges on 16 June as below.

“Hi Simon

Thanks for keeping me up to date but I have to confess to being a bit of a “political tragic” so do keep a regular eye over the activities of our political players.

There are a few points I would like to raise with you.

I was very concerned at National”s approach to the changes the coalition brought to the Firearms Act.

As a responsible firearms owner for almost 50 years I was appalled at how quickly National fell into “line” with what could only be regarded as a removal of an existing “right” to own a legal firearm. Banning the weapons that tarrant used in Christchurch was a massive over reaction until the results of the Royal Commission were released. The stupidity of that action is borne out by the fact that the weapons he used, while purchased legally, had been illegally modified. The very purchase” of those weapons and granting of tarrant’s license may in fact have been “not correctly implemented”, especially when the modifications that were implemented by the Coalition in December 2018 are taken into consideration.

The “kneejerk response” by the Coalition meekly adopted by National was disappointing to those of us that are and have been law abiding firearms owners for many years.

At the time that legislation was being bandied about I wrote an email to my local MP, XXXXXXXXXX. To date, I have had no response. That was annoying but also concerning as it indicated to me that the decision to meekly follow the Coalition had been made and any submissions were to be ignored.

I have also been a little concerned at the rapid rise of restriction on what can only be called free speech. It seems that, currently, the only MP who has any concerns about the erosion of “Free Speech” rights is David Seymour. I sincerely hope that we will see a little more “push back” from the National party members as this current Coalition make advances to restrict our rights.”

I did receive a response which details the National party’s stance on the impending second round of legislation as below.

https://www.national.org.nz/firearms_tranche_two_not_focussing_on_the_right_people
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July 28, 2019 5:07pm
Happychappy

This is why those that want to give their vote to Act is a wasted vote.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/07/greens-and-act-scoff-at-national-s-cancer-agency-plans.html
It’s all about David Seymour not about Policy.
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July 28, 2019 6:06pm
mikenmildagain

This deep state stuff has gone on enough. I had thought president Obama might be above the swamp. Think again.

“It’s a disgrace. We want to find out what happened with the last Democrat president. Let’s look into Obama the way they’ve looked at me from day one,” he said. “They’ve looked into everything that we’ve done. They could look into the book deal that President Obama made. Let’s subpoena all of his records,” he said.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-blames-obama-administration-white-house-air-conditioning
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